Revolutie in Libi� #51 : Hoe het verder gaat

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 12:57 schreef quirigua het volgende:

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Waar is de dochter van Gh. eigenlijk ?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:09 schreef Muridae het volgende:
Het zou schandalig zijn wanneer hij in Europa asiel zou krijgen...

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:16 schreef shomila het volgende:
bencnn benwedeman
Libyan govt forces outside Bin Jawad firing barrages of Grad surface-surface missles in direction of Al Sidre west of Ras Lanouf. #Libya
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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:18 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Dan is de oppositie dus aan het doorstoten vanuit Ras Lanuf? Of Al Sidre is zelf in opstand gekomen.

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12.09pm: An update on the Libyan jet that has arrived in Cairo from AP:

An Egyptian airport official says a high-ranking member of the Libyan government has landed in Cairo saying he has a message from Muammar Gaddafi.
The official told The Associated Press that the head of Libya's logistics and supply authority arrived on a private jet Wednesday afternoon. Libyan embassy staff told Egyptian officials that Major Gen Abdul-Rahman bin Ali al-Saiid al-Zawi was carrying a message from Gaddafi.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:08 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:
Vienna, wat is dat toch? Er waren al eerder geruchten dat familieleden naar Wenen zouden reizen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:56 schreef wdn het volgende:
Telegraaf meldt het ook nu

'Kadaffi is Libi� ontvlucht'
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An Egyptian airport official says a high-ranking member of the Libyan government has landed in Cairo saying he has a message from Muammar Gaddafi.
The official told The Associated Press that the head of Libya's logistics and supply authority arrived on a private jet Wednesday afternoon. Libyan embassy staff told Egyptian officials that Major Gen Abdul-Rahman bin Ali al-Saiid al-Zawi was carrying a message from Gaddafi.

12.08pm: Al-Jazeera suggest that at least one of the flights might taking a Libyan delegation to negotiate with the Arab League, which is based in Cairo. A meeting of the Arab League is due to take place on Saturday but the league has ruled out any Libyan participation.

The news station's Rawya Rageh has been tweeting that all three planes are now headed to Egypt:

The #Gaddafi family jet that landed in #Egypt had a military official on board who'll be meeting with Egypt's military rulers #Libya #Feb17

The two other #Gaddafi family jets that were initially headed to Europe now re-routed to #Egypt, as well #Libya #Feb17

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:59 schreef Ulpianus het volgende:

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Maar dat is niet waar.

The Guardian

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 14:02 schreef yavanna het volgende:

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Dat is dan vast 1 verklaring.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 14:08 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Gokje:

Hij probeert een no-fly zone tegen te houden of te vertragen, en misschien Egypte over te halen om iets tegen de rebellen te doen. Hij zit in de knel, ik denk niet dat ie al weg is.

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ZacAttak92 evidence of that Zintan tribes are fighting against qadaffi instead with as he stated

Libya : Libyan Military Caught by People in Zentan 07/03

#oplibya 19 minutes ago via Chromed Bird

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13.48 uur: Libische afvaardiging in Kairo voor Arabische Liga
Niet ��n, maar drie priv�jets van Gaddafi zijn de lucht in gegaan vandaag. Volgens Maltese luchtveersleiders hebben ze Wenen, Athene en Kairo als bestemming. Daar moet niet teveel achter gezocht worden aangezien regelmatig vluchten met deze toestellen worden gemaakt, ook sinds de opstanden in Libi�. De echtgenote van Gaddafis zoon Hannibal mocht vorige maand niet landen in haar vaderland Libanon. Dochter Aisha werd een dag later geweigerd door de luchtverkeersleiding van Malta, meldt The Guardian.

Volgens Al Jazeera zijn de twee familietoestellen die naar Wenen en Athene gingen van koers veranderd. De een zou teruggaan naar Tripoli, de ander naar Kairo. De Gaddafi-jet die eerder in Kairo landde met aan boord een hoogwaardigheidsbekleder uit Libi� zou volgens de nieuwszender willen praten met de Arabische Liga. Die houdt zaterdag een vergadering in Kairo maar weigerde tot nu toe Libische deelname daaraan.

13.57 uur:
Europa doet veel te weinig om kolonel Kadhafi aan te pakken. Dat vindt een groot deel van het Europees Parlement. EU-buitenlandco�rdinator Catherine Ashton komt niet veel verder dan het veroordelen van het geweld.

14.11 uur:
De Libische staats-tv toont gesprekken met wat de zender aankondigt als twee gewonde soldaten van de Gaddafi-troepen in een niet nader benoemd ziekenhuis. Ze zeggen de schade berokkent aan de staat door de vijanden van Libi� te betreuren. Een van de soldaten zegt dat buitenlanders de anti-regimestrijders versterken. Hij herhaalde de mening die Gaddafi vanochtend ook verkondigde in zijn speech (zie 10.01) dat het Algerijnen, Egyptenaren en Tunesi�rs zijn die geleid worden door Al Qaida.

14.25 uur: Flinke rookontwikkeling bij olieterminal
Drie dikke rookpluimen stijgen op bij Es Sider, een olieterminal in het oosten van Libi�. Troepen van Moammar Gaddafi lieten vandaag een hevig bombardement los op de opstandelingen die zich daar ophouden. De Reuters-correspondent ter plaatse zegt dat het nog onduidelijk is of de terminal zelf geraakt is. Maar een van de rookpluimen is de grootste die hij tot nu zag sinds de opstand begon.

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12.51pm: There has been fighting near near the east Libyan oil terminal of Es Sider, reports Reuters:

"The bombardment is further east from Es Sider, near where the rebels are now. They are firing back with rockets," said Reuters correspondent Mohammed Abbas on the frontline.
He said rebel forces moved out of Es Sider, a town they have controlled, after the bombardment. They have moved out of the town before only to retake it later.
"This is really very heavy bombardment from Gaddafi forces," said Abbas.

12.41pm: A fighter jet has been circling over Ras Lanuf but there have been no major clashes so far, reports Reuters. It says opposition forces have been staging periodic hit-and-run attacks on dug-in troops loyal to Gaddafi in the east of the country and resupplied their own frontline with guns and ammunition.

A warplane circled a rebel checkpoint at the main gate to the rebel-held oil town of Ras Lanuf which has sustained repeated air strikes in the past days. There were six anti-aircraft guns, two mortar launchers and boxes of ammunition at the gate waiting to go forward. One fighter was carefully assembling home-made bombs with small fuses and tins of TNT explosive.

"We're in a defensive position right now because of the heavy artillery ahead. We moved forward another five km (three miles)," rebel Colonel Masoud Mohammed.
The threat of heavy artillery and the defensive position was repeated by Colonel Bashir Abdul Qadr.

On Wednesday, there was one rebel army truck mounted with a multiple rocket launcher near the front, which lies along a barren stretch of desert and scrub roughly 550 km (340 miles) east of Tripoli between the towns of Bin Jawad and Ras Lanuf.
A Reuters correspondent also saw an armoured personnel carrier travelling away from the front. Another two sources, unarmed rebel volunteers, said there had been minor skirmishes at the front line at dawn, but no major military confrontations.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:01 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
Wat is er allemaal nog gebeurd?
Heb de laatste tijd niet zoveel tijd meer om het heel erg goed te volgen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:01 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
Wat is er allemaal nog gebeurd?
Heb de laatste tijd niet zoveel tijd meer om het heel erg goed te volgen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:07 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik denk dat ie z'n eigen olie-installatie gebombardeerd heeft.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:01 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
Wat is er allemaal nog gebeurd?
Heb de laatste tijd niet zoveel tijd meer om het heel erg goed te volgen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:07 schreef shomila het volgende:

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Ze vechten nog steeds Gadaffi zit er nog steeds.
Er gaan geruchten dat hij mensen naar Egypte heeft gestuurd om de no-fly zone tegen te houden.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:09 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Het front zit een beetje vast omgeving Ras Lanuf. Zawya is nog steeds niet gevallen. Regerings vliegtuigen met diplomaten zijn naar Egypte om een no-fly zone tegen te houden.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:18 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Man op AJE noemt oppositie geen rebellen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:21 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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ik snap die rebellen/oppositie discussie niet helemaal, komt toch op het zelfde neer

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:21 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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ik snap die rebellen/oppositie discussie niet helemaal, komt toch op het zelfde neer

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:22 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Nee. Als je het een burgeroorlog noemt hoeft/mag de internationale gemeenschap niet in te grijpen. Dan is het een interne aangelegenheid.
Woorden zijn heel belangrijk.

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1.50pm: The Guardian has a gallery of images from the Ras Jidr camp on the Tunisian border with Libya. It provides a glimpse into the conditions that greet the thousands of refugees who have fled Libya.

Another good photo gallery is on the New York Times website, which has more than 200 photos from Libya from the past two weeks.

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Big, black plumes of smoke rose above the terminal. It was not immediately possible to independently confirm the report that the storage tanks were hit or to ascertain if the cause was the bombardment by Gaddafi's forces or a stray rebel rocket. "We were standing over there in the direction of Es Sider. It was a fierce, random bombardment on us and then it hit the storage tanks," rebel fighter Abdel Salam Mohamed told Reuters.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:22 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
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15.57 uur: Huis van Sa�f Kadhafi gekraakt
Het huis van Kadhafi's zoon Sa�f in Londen is gekraakt. Dat melden verschillende media. De villa van tien miljoen pond in het Noord-Londense Hampstead Garden is vanmorgen bezet door activisten in solidariteit met de opstandelingen die vechten tegen Kadhafi. Een woordvoerder van de activisten zegt dat ze er geen vertrouwen in hebben dat de Britse regering het huis zal teruggeven aan het Libische volk "omdat ze een lange geschiedenis heeft van het ondersteunen van het regime van Kadhafi".

16.12 uur: Partijen geven elkaar de schuld voor brand
De Libische autoriteiten en de opstandelingen wijzen naar elkaar als schuldige voor de enorme brand in een olieterminal bij Ras Lanuf. Volgens de Libische staatstelevisie zijn door al-Qaida gesteunde groepen verantwoordelijk voor de explosies in de olie-opslagtanks. De opstandelingen zeggen juist dat legervliegtuigen een oliepijpleiding en de opslagtanks hebben gebombardeerd, meldt Reuters.

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HouSolidarity Saif gaddafi's london mansion has been occupied in solidarity with the revolution in libya. 7 Winnington Close N2, East Finchley. Twitter - 1 uur geleden

HamandHigh BREAKING NEWS: Activists have occupied Saif Gaddafi's Hampstead Garden Suburb mansion in support of the Libyan revolution, they say. Twitter - 1 uur geleden

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Squatters take over Colonel Gaddafi's son's �11m London mansion

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 15:21 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Poll HP/de Tijd

Kadhafi duikt later vandaag op in...

[ ] Saoedi-Arabi�, waar ex-dictators nog ouderwets in de watten worden gelegd.
[ ] Paraguay, waar je nog ouderwets kunt verdwijnen in de cokejungle.
[ ] Tripoli, alwaar hij vanuit een botsautootje verkondigt alles onder controle te hebben.
[ ] Hij duikt nergens op. De man verdwijnt van de aardbodem � la Osama bin Laden.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:27 schreef deleriouz het volgende:
Nice!!

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http://www.thisislondon.c(...)pound-11m-mansion.do

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:29 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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^{Protest: squatters unfurl an anti-Gaddafi banner from the roof of the empty home owned by Saif Gaddafi in Hampstead Garden Suburb}

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:30 schreef Dekatria het volgende:

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Mhahaha wat een bazen

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:32 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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"One of the first things we did was put on Al-Jazeera on the huge flat screen television."

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:32 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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"One of the first things we did was put on Al-Jazeera on the huge flat screen television."

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:36 schreef Dekatria het volgende:

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Hahahaha

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:30 schreef Dekatria het volgende:

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Mhahaha wat een bazen

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http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)sistance-no-fly-zone
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has warned that the imposition of a no-fly zone in Libyan airspace will be met with armed resistance and taken as proof that western powers are trying to steal his country's oil.

His defiant remarks came as pro-Gaddafi forces continued their assault on the city of Zawiyah and the country's rebel leadership pleaded for the international community to close down Libyan airspace.

Britain and the US have discussed the creation of an internationally backed no-fly zone as a contingency plan in case Gaddafi refuses to step down in response to the popular uprising that erupted last month.

In an interview broadcast on Wednesday by Turkey's state-run TRT news channel, Gaddafi said: "If they take such a decision it will be useful for Libya, because the Libyan people will see the truth, that what they want is to take control of Libya and to steal their oil.

"They want to take your petrol," he said. "This is what America, this is what the French, those colonialists, want." But he warned: "The Libyan people will take up arms against them."

Barack Obama and David Cameron have agreed "to press forward with planning, including at Nato, on the full spectrum of possible responses, including surveillance, humanitarian assistance, enforcement of the arms embargo, and a no-fly zone".

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, has made it clear that Washington believes any decision to impose a no-fly zone is a matter for the UN and should not be a US-led initiative.

Opponents of Gaddafi on the front line between the rebel-controlled east and the regime's forces in the west have become increasingly frustrated at the international community's failure to act. Rebels constantly fire machine guns into the air to try to fend off attacking warplanes.

"They had a no-fly zone in Iraq," a rebel volunteer, Naji Saleh, told Reuters near the oil town of Ras Lanuf. "Why is Gaddafi their darling and Saddam Hussein was not?".

The rebel leadership in the eastern city of Benghazi said their representatives were in touch with foreign capitals about the imposition of a no-fly zone.

"We are concentrating our diplomatic efforts and working hard. But as always, they [foreign powers] are reluctant. One day we think they will take action soon," said Iman Bugaigis, a spokesman for the rebel February 17 coalition.

An opposition group fighting Gaddafi's regime has called for a no-fly zone over Libya even without the UN's blessing, but has ruled out the presence of foreign troops on Libyan soil.

Speaking at the European parliament, an official with the umbrella group for eastern rebels said that if it came to a choice between preventing people being slaughtered or accepting political disagreement within the UN security council, the decision was easy.

Mahmoud Jebril said the only condition would be to enforce the zone from outside Libya.

EU parliament groups meeting in Strasbourg are preparing to call on member states to recognise Jebril's newly created interim governing council in Benghazi.

Gaddafi has also accused the UN security council of bypassing its own processes to act against Libya and repeated his claims that the revolt had been inspired by foreign al-Qaida militants who have freed prisoners and paid young men to fight for them.

He has accused western governments and media of falling for al-Qaida propaganda that blamed government forces for unleashing violence on the Libyan people.

In an interview with France's LCI television, Gaddafi said: "I'd have to be mad to shoot at peaceful demonstrators. I'd never have done that. I'd never have allowed anyone to be shot."

He also warned the international community that the collapse of Libya would bring an end to security in the region, telling TRT: "The world will change its attitude towards Libya because Libyan stability means the security of the Mediterranean sea.

"It will be a huge disaster if al-Qaida takes over Libya. Al-Qaida would flood Europe with immigrants. We are the ones who prevent al-Qaida from taking over control. They would drag the whole region into chaos … Al-Qaida would take over north Africa."

Meanwhile, Libyan forces loyal to Gaddafi have closed in on rebels in the western city of Zawiyah, surrounding them with tanks and snipers in the main square, according to a resident and a rebel fighter.

"We can see the tanks. The tanks are everywhere," Ibrahim told Reuters by phone from inside Zawiyah, the closest rebel city to the capital, Tripoli.

A resident added: "They have surrounded the square with snipers and tanks. The situation is not so good. It's very scary. There are a lot of snipers."

Ibrahim said forces loyal to Gaddafi were in control of the main road and the suburbs. Although rebel forces still controlled the square, pro-Gaddafi fighters were about 1,500 metres away.

Ibrahim said army snipers were on top of most of the buildings, shooting at anyone who dared to venture from their homes.

"There are many dead people and they can't even bury them," he said. "Zawiyah is deserted. There's nobody on the streets. No animals, not even birds in the sky."

A government spokesman said that while troops were mostly in control of Zawiyah, there was still a small pocket of 30-40 "desperate" resistance fighters.

Foreign reporters have been prevented from entering Zawiyah, 30 miles west of Tripoli, and other cities near the capital without an official escort.

Human rights activists estimate more than 1,000 people have been killed since the uprising began in mid-February.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:50 schreef Muridae het volgende:
Is dat niet gewoon inbraak?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:50 schreef Muridae het volgende:
Is dat niet gewoon inbraak?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:52 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Nee, het is een opstand. De revolutie breidt zich uit.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:57 schreef Maron het volgende:
Wie zal dit geweest zijn..?
"A man arrived in a black Porsche and had to be calmed down by police before driving away."

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:29 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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^{Protest: squatters unfurl an anti-Gaddafi banner from the roof of the empty home owned by Saif Gaddafi in Hampstead Garden Suburb}

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3.46pm: Libyan government emissaries have flown to Brussels to talk to European and NATO officials ahead of the organisations meetings on Thursday and Friday, the Italian foreign minister, Franco Frattini, said today. It seems that Gaddafi is on a diplomatic offensive but what his representatives are putting on the table, if anything, is unclear. From Reuters:

"Two aircraft of the Libyan regime appear to have left Libya for Brussels with the intention of enabling emissaries of Gaddafi to meet representatives taking part in the meetings of the EU and NATO tomorrow and the next day," Frattini said.

He noted that the visits to Cairo and Brussels suggested that the situation was very fluid and he cautioned against taking any action which might be premature. "I don't know what will be said in Cairo, I don't know who will meet whom in Brussels but these movements are a fact that we have to take account of," he said.

Earlier, a Maltese official said Libyan emissaries had arrived on the Mediterranean island on Wednesday for talks with Maltese officials, and then flown to Portugal. There was no immediate confirmation from Lisbon but a source in Brussels said the plane was carrying a moderate member of Gaddafi's government to meet Luis Amado, the Portuguese foreign minister.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:57 schreef Maron het volgende:
Wie zal dit geweest zijn..?
"A man arrived in a black Porsche and had to be calmed down by police before driving away."

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 17:38 schreef shomila het volgende:
NicRobertsonCNN Nic Robertson
#Libya warns oil companies if overseas workers don't return in 45 days, the oil companies will lose their concessions.
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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 17:38 schreef shomila het volgende:


NicRobertsonCNN Nic Robertson
#Libya warns oil companies if overseas workers don't return in 45 days, the oil companies will lose their concessions.
5 minutes ago

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:10 schreef shomila het volgende:
ahmadshokr Ahmad Shokr
Regained internet access, back on twitter in Benghazi
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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:11 schreef Pannenkoekenmix het volgende:

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Mooi!! Misschien komt Houda wel weer terug

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:12 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:

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Ben benieuwd hoe het met haar gaat.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:22 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
19:02 Channel 4s Jonathan Rugman tweets: Government press trip to Zawiya suddenly cancelled while vans were revving to go. State TV now shows pro-Gaddafi rally there. Official explanation for trip cancellation: oil minister giving press conference instead. Hotel full of angry hacks again.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:24 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
18:44 BBC A spokesman in Az-Zawiyah said that while Gaddafis forces were in the main square and they had retreated, they would claim back the city from Gaddafi and they would do so tonight.

18:40 BBC A doctor in Zawiya says at least 40 people have died in fighting on Wednesday, probably many more. Al Jazeera adds that several of Gaddafis soldiers have been killed, including a general and a colonel.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:31 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Confirmed: Talks between EU and Libyan diplomats in Brussels.

Bron: Catherine Ashdown through AJE.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:34 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:

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Er staat volgens mij nu wel wat te gebeuren.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:34 schreef shomila het volgende:
jackyaljaz Jacky Rowland
Brush with death 1km from Sidra oil port. Hid in hole as Gaddafi mortars landed around us and rebels fired rockets over our heads #libya
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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:38 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Niet meteen. De diplomaten zijn gestuurd om een no-fly zone tegen te houden en te dreigen. Ik denk niet dat er nu al onderhandelt word over Ghaddafi's aftreden.

Ik heb medelijden met die diplomaten nu.
Net zo veel als met legerofficieren die met een geweer in hun rug naar het front gestuurd worden.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:39 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
bencnn The anti-Qaddafi hold over Ras Lanouf looking tenuous. Saw large reinforcements heading to the front. #Libya
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5.21pm GMT: The Guardian's Esther Addley reports from the front lines of Hampstead in London, where the struggle against the Gaddafi regime takes on a very British form – squatting:

I'm just back from an occupation of Saif Gadaffi's house in Hampstead, which has been occupied by a group calling themselves Topple the Tyrants.

It's a redbrick house in a small close, rather disappointing for a tyrant dynasty but apparently it's worth �10m.

There aren't too many of the group, it's not clear exactly how many there are, and they've put up a few banners on the roof. We had a photographer there so there will be photos soon.