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Zoon van Tolmai.
Op 
gpd ook, ondanks dat ie wat mallotig overkomt is hij wel een van de weinigen met de ballen om naar die regio te gaan en verslag te doen.quote:Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 20:43 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
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Wat een helden! (gpd niet natuurlijk)
Journalisten en publiciteit zijn voor de revoluties in Egypte en Tunesi een doorslaggevende factor geweest. Zeker in Libi is het belangrijk dat daar gerapporteerd wordt wat er gebeurt.
Journalisten spelen een ongelofelijke belangrijke rol bij opstanden van het volk.
Haha, toen ik 'm had geopend dacht ik het ook al.quote:
Schot in de zaakje formuleert het wel weer heerlijk, Bart
Zoon van Tolmai.
Alle respect dat hij daar zit, maar van goede verslaggeving heeft hij iig de laatste weken niet gehoord. Niet alleen zijn zijn berichten dramatisch slecht qua nietszeggende inhoud, ze zijn feitelijk nogal eens onjuist waar het om belangrijke zaken gaat. Zijn berichten zijn onbetrouwbaar en ongeloofwaardig.quote:
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gpd ook, ondanks dat ie wat mallotig overkomt is hij wel een van de weinigen met de ballen om naar die regio te gaan en verslag te doen.
Journalisten en publiciteit zijn voor de revoluties in Egypte en Tunesi een doorslaggevende factor geweest. Zeker in Libi is het belangrijk dat daar gerapporteerd wordt wat er gebeurt.
Journalisten spelen een ongelofelijke belangrijke rol bij opstanden van het volk.
Indien hij niet tegen de druk kan, kan hij beter naar huis gaan, dan zichzelf en zijn vak zo behandelen.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Ik weet niet wat er waar is van die mensen die naar Tripoli trekken, de aantallen ed wissellen nogal ( vabn 2000 tot 500.00 ) en je hoort ook nogal eens dat men niet naar tripoli wil gaan omdat ze hun eigen stad niet onbeschermd willen achterlaten.
Duidelijk is wel dat men zich goed zal moeten organiseren, tactieken moeten bedenken om het in tripoli op te kunnen nemen tegen G's elite troepen. Evt met buitenlandse steun, al dan niet in het geheim ( niet persee mankracht ) of wanneer er dusdanig veel slachtoffers zijn gevallen dat het buitenland in wil grijpen en men in Tripoli buitenlandse hulp op prijs stelt.
Duidelijk is wel dat men zich goed zal moeten organiseren, tactieken moeten bedenken om het in tripoli op te kunnen nemen tegen G's elite troepen. Evt met buitenlandse steun, al dan niet in het geheim ( niet persee mankracht ) of wanneer er dusdanig veel slachtoffers zijn gevallen dat het buitenland in wil grijpen en men in Tripoli buitenlandse hulp op prijs stelt.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
koffie 
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
LilianeKhalil Liliane Khalil
#UK has placed #British airbase in Akrotiri, Cyprus on alert to await orders should a no fly zone in #Libya be voted on by #NATO.
3 minutes ago
LilianeKhalil Liliane Khalil
#UNHCR has just issued an urgent appeal to allow all who are evacuating #Libya out of the country immediately.
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#UK has placed #British airbase in Akrotiri, Cyprus on alert to await orders should a no fly zone in #Libya be voted on by #NATO.
3 minutes ago
LilianeKhalil Liliane Khalil
#UNHCR has just issued an urgent appeal to allow all who are evacuating #Libya out of the country immediately.
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Even melden dat er niks te melden valt - Rusland gaat zich niet ineens bedenken, ofzoquote:
LilianeKhalil Liliane Khalil
#UK has placed #British airbase in Akrotiri, Cyprus on alert to await orders should a no fly zone in #Libya be voted on by #NATO.
3 minutes ago
De opstand bewapenen, doen ze het toch zelf. Is niet slecht bedacht.quote:
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Ik vraag me af in hoeverre dat bewapenen nodig is, met al die achtergelaten ammunitiedepots.quote:
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De opstand bewapenen, doen ze het toch zelf. Is niet slecht bedacht.
Yes.quote:
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Maar Rusland moet dan toch wel voor stemmen of niet?
LilianeKhalil #US #SecClinton: US is looking at a lot of options in #Libya, no decisions have been made.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck .
AlArabiya_Eng No unity in NATO on action against Libya: US #Libya #Gaddafi #NATO
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LilianeKhalil #UK has placed #British airbase in Akrotiri, Cyprus on alert to await orders should a no fly zone in #Libya be voted on by #NATO.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck .
LilianeKhalil #US #SecClinton: The United States is conserned that #Libya is at risk of collapsing into "protracted civil war"
6 minutes ago via TweetDeck .
AliTweel to all please help and RT: start campaign to tell #Red Cross and other organizations to do more for #refugees from #Libya in #Tunisia
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AlArabiya_Eng No unity in NATO on action against Libya: US #Libya #Gaddafi #NATO
5 minutes ago via web .
LilianeKhalil #UK has placed #British airbase in Akrotiri, Cyprus on alert to await orders should a no fly zone in #Libya be voted on by #NATO.
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck .
LilianeKhalil #US #SecClinton: The United States is conserned that #Libya is at risk of collapsing into "protracted civil war"
6 minutes ago via TweetDeck .
AliTweel to all please help and RT: start campaign to tell #Red Cross and other organizations to do more for #refugees from #Libya in #Tunisia
There is only one religion
Oftewel, de oorlog wordt verklaard aan de Libische regering. Ik weet niet of het een goede zaak is dat het Westen nu tegen Khaddafi oorlog gaat voeren, en dan druk ik het zacht uit. Verder, nog steeds, vind ik het een dubieus besluit, mocht het besluit genomen worden.
FrankRGardner So are they serious about this No Fly Zone over #Libya? Here's my analysis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12615852
4 minutes ago via web
hier het artikel
By Frank Gardner
Security correspondent, BBC News
Damage to a Libyan runway in the eastern town of Abrak in the early days of the protests Continue reading the main story
Mid-East UnrestLibya revolt
Live
Lack of opposition
Gaddafi speaks to BBC
Watch
France tries new approach
In the corridors of Britain's Ministry of Defence a planning taskforce is busy working up contingency plans for a possible no-fly zone over Libya.
It is part of the gathering international momentum towards isolating Libya's Col Gaddafi amid fears he may once again use his air force against his own people.
But is it practical? Is it desirable? Or, as some cynics suspect, is this just playing for time in the hopes that Col Gaddafi soon yields to pressure and steps down before a single Western warplane is sent anywhere near Libyan airspace?
How would it work?
The core countries participating would be the US and the UK, just as they were in Operation Southern Watch in Iraq throughout the 1990s, where US and RAF jets flew daily sorties to deter Saddam Hussein from attacking the Shia in the south.
The US Navy currently has two aircraft carrier groups in the Mediterranean region - vast, floating air bases that can project enormous firepower right along Libya's coast.
The UK has an air base at Akrotiri in Cyprus, where a squadron of Typhoons could theoretically be stationed. But that would be more than 1,000 miles (1,600km) away and there are far closer runways in Malta, Sicily and mainland Italy.
One possibility is that the RAF's role would be confined to support - such as mid-air refuelling.
What are the obstacles?
They are numerous. What would be the legal basis of such an operation? Its backers would ideally like to get a UN Security Council resolution behind it but would Russia, France and China agree?
Protesters fear aerial attacks by the Gaddafi forces The UK Foreign Secretary, William Hague, has indicated that a no-fly zone could be imposed without such a UNSC resolution, but this could split the international coalition now ranged against Col Gaddafi.
The logistics and costs of running such an operation would be huge. Where would it be based, who would pay for it, who would provide the aerial "overwatch", the airborne command-and-control needed to police the airspace?
Then there are the rules of engagement. In what circumstances would a coalition warplane shoot down a Libyan one?
Would the ban apply to all aircraft or just military, fixed-wing or helicopters? What about civilian airliners suspected of bringing in mercenaries from Libya's African neighbours?
What are the risks?
Enforcing another Western-backed no-fly zone over a sovereign Arab and Muslim country is controversial.
Many of Col Gaddafi's opponents, including defecting air force officers, say they want it without delay. Others have specifically called for the West to keep well away.
There is a banner doing the rounds in Libya that reads: "No foreign intervention. Libyan people can manage alone". Undoubtedly Col Gaddafi would make maximum capital out of this "imperialist intervention", portraying it to his population as all part of a "US-Zionist plot" to subjugate his country.
After the debacle in Iraq, this is not a place the UK necessarily wants to be.
Then what about Libya's air defences? Would they have to be destroyed first? Probably yes, in which case Libyans would almost certainly die from Western military action. Again, this is a rocky road that governments in Washington and Whitehall will have to think very carefully about before embarking on.
So are they serious?
On Tuesday night, Mr Hague was asked this question on the BBC News Channel.
His answer was that the UK had to plan for a major military escalation by Col Gaddafi against his own people.
Of course, he said, we hope that Col Gaddafi bows to pressure and steps down, but in the meantime we have to work up plans so we can act if we need to.
My interpretation? There isn't really a lot of appetite for this no-fly zone but the possible alternative - sitting on our hands while Col Gaddafi sends MiGs and helicopter gunships to kill his own people - would be worse.
Hence the plan being readied to be put into the prime minister's drawer in case it is needed, even if they hope it doesn't come to that
4 minutes ago via web
hier het artikel
By Frank Gardner
Security correspondent, BBC News
Damage to a Libyan runway in the eastern town of Abrak in the early days of the protests Continue reading the main story
Mid-East UnrestLibya revolt
Live
Lack of opposition
Gaddafi speaks to BBC
Watch
France tries new approach
In the corridors of Britain's Ministry of Defence a planning taskforce is busy working up contingency plans for a possible no-fly zone over Libya.
It is part of the gathering international momentum towards isolating Libya's Col Gaddafi amid fears he may once again use his air force against his own people.
But is it practical? Is it desirable? Or, as some cynics suspect, is this just playing for time in the hopes that Col Gaddafi soon yields to pressure and steps down before a single Western warplane is sent anywhere near Libyan airspace?
How would it work?
The core countries participating would be the US and the UK, just as they were in Operation Southern Watch in Iraq throughout the 1990s, where US and RAF jets flew daily sorties to deter Saddam Hussein from attacking the Shia in the south.
The US Navy currently has two aircraft carrier groups in the Mediterranean region - vast, floating air bases that can project enormous firepower right along Libya's coast.
The UK has an air base at Akrotiri in Cyprus, where a squadron of Typhoons could theoretically be stationed. But that would be more than 1,000 miles (1,600km) away and there are far closer runways in Malta, Sicily and mainland Italy.
One possibility is that the RAF's role would be confined to support - such as mid-air refuelling.
What are the obstacles?
They are numerous. What would be the legal basis of such an operation? Its backers would ideally like to get a UN Security Council resolution behind it but would Russia, France and China agree?
Protesters fear aerial attacks by the Gaddafi forces The UK Foreign Secretary, William Hague, has indicated that a no-fly zone could be imposed without such a UNSC resolution, but this could split the international coalition now ranged against Col Gaddafi.
The logistics and costs of running such an operation would be huge. Where would it be based, who would pay for it, who would provide the aerial "overwatch", the airborne command-and-control needed to police the airspace?
Then there are the rules of engagement. In what circumstances would a coalition warplane shoot down a Libyan one?
Would the ban apply to all aircraft or just military, fixed-wing or helicopters? What about civilian airliners suspected of bringing in mercenaries from Libya's African neighbours?
What are the risks?
Enforcing another Western-backed no-fly zone over a sovereign Arab and Muslim country is controversial.
Many of Col Gaddafi's opponents, including defecting air force officers, say they want it without delay. Others have specifically called for the West to keep well away.
There is a banner doing the rounds in Libya that reads: "No foreign intervention. Libyan people can manage alone". Undoubtedly Col Gaddafi would make maximum capital out of this "imperialist intervention", portraying it to his population as all part of a "US-Zionist plot" to subjugate his country.
After the debacle in Iraq, this is not a place the UK necessarily wants to be.
Then what about Libya's air defences? Would they have to be destroyed first? Probably yes, in which case Libyans would almost certainly die from Western military action. Again, this is a rocky road that governments in Washington and Whitehall will have to think very carefully about before embarking on.
So are they serious?
On Tuesday night, Mr Hague was asked this question on the BBC News Channel.
His answer was that the UK had to plan for a major military escalation by Col Gaddafi against his own people.
Of course, he said, we hope that Col Gaddafi bows to pressure and steps down, but in the meantime we have to work up plans so we can act if we need to.
My interpretation? There isn't really a lot of appetite for this no-fly zone but the possible alternative - sitting on our hands while Col Gaddafi sends MiGs and helicopter gunships to kill his own people - would be worse.
Hence the plan being readied to be put into the prime minister's drawer in case it is needed, even if they hope it doesn't come to that
There is only one religion
feb17voices Feb 17 voices
LivePhoneCall from Az Zawiya: #Gaddafi forces are 3-5 miles away from the city center. #Libya #Feb17
3 minutes ago
LivePhoneCall from Az Zawiya: #Gaddafi forces are 3-5 miles away from the city center. #Libya #Feb17
3 minutes ago
quote:BreakingNews
London School of Economics confirms it is investigating allegations that Gadhafi's son plagiarized his thesis - BBC http://bbc.in/dP6YoZ
in rusland zijn ook opstandelingen waar hard tegen opgetreden wordt (ge-elimineerd) in diverse moslimgereleteerde staten (kaukassus)quote:
Wat is overigens het argument van Rusland om tegen te stemmen?
There is only one religion
Goed stuk.quote:
FrankRGardner So are they serious about this No Fly Zone over #Libya? Here's my analysis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12615852
4 minutes ago via web
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
