Charlie Kirk doodgeschoten #24

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Jan. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.) Jan. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.) Jan. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.) Jan. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.) Jan. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.) Jan. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.) Jan. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.) Jan. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.) Jan. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.) Jan. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.) Jan. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.) Jan. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.) Feb. 3 “Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” (There is no evidence of paid protesters.) Feb. 4 “After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage of me after winning the election, the FAKE NEWS @nytimes is still lost!” (It never apologized.) Feb. 5 “We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all we did was vet those people very, very carefully.” (About 60,000 people were affected.) Feb. 6 “I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35.” (Much of the price drop was projected before Trump took office.) Feb. 6 “It's gotten to a point where it is not even being reported. And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.” (Terrorism has been reported on, often in detail.) Feb. 6 “The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win. Now they are worse!” (It didn't apologize.) Feb. 6 “And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.) Feb. 7 “And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.” (It was higher in the 1980s and '90s.) Feb. 7 “I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the F-35.” (The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.) Feb. 9 “Chris Cuomo, in his interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him about his long-term lie about his brave ‘service’ in Vietnam. FAKE NEWS!” (It was part of Cuomo's first question.) Feb. 9 “Sen. Richard Blumenthal now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told him?” (The Gorsuch comments were later corroborated.) Feb. 10 “I don’t know about it. I haven’t seen it. What report is that?” (Trump knew about Flynn's actions for weeks.) Feb. 12 “Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.) Feb. 16 “We got 306 because people came out and voted like they've never seen before so that's the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan.” (George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all won bigger margins in the Electoral College.) Feb. 16 “That’s the other thing that was wrong with the travel ban. You had Delta with a massive problem with their computer system at the airports.” (Delta's problems happened two days later.) Feb. 16 “Walmart announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States just this year because of our various plans and initiatives.” (The jobs are a result of its investment plans announced in Oct. 2016.) Feb. 16 “When WikiLeaks, which I had nothing to do with, comes out and happens to give, they’re not giving classified information.” (Not always. They have released classified information in the past.) Feb. 16 “We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. But we had a bad court. Got a bad decision.” (The rollout was chaotic.) Feb. 16 “They’re giving stuff — what was said at an office about Hillary cheating on the debates. Which, by the way, nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates.” (It was widely covered.) Feb. 18 “And there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.” (Refugees receive multiple background checks, taking up to two years.) Feb. 18 “You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” (Trump implied there was a terror attack in Sweden, but there was no such attack.) Feb. 24 “By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.) Feb. 24 “ICE came and endorsed me.” (Only its union did.) Feb. 24 “Obamacare covers very few people — and remember, deduct from the number all of the people that had great health care that they loved that was taken away from them — it was taken away from them.” (Obamacare increased coverage by a net of about 20 million.) Feb. 27 “Since Obamacare went into effect, nearly half of the insurers are stopped and have stopped from participating in the Obamacare exchanges.” (Many fewer pulled out.) Feb. 27 “On one plane, on a small order of one plane, I saved $725 million. And I would say I devoted about, if I added it up, all those calls, probably about an hour. So I think that might be my highest and best use.” (Much of the price cut was already projected.) Feb. 28 “And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.) Feb. 28 “The E.P.A.’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands.” (There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe job losses.) Feb. 28 “We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials.” (They can't lobby their former agency but can still become lobbyists.) March 3 “It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full Cabinet.” (Paperwork for the last two candidates was still not submitted to the Senate.) March 4 “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.) March 4 “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.) March 7 “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!” (113 of them were released by President George W. Bush.) March 13 “I saved a lot of money on those jets, didn't I? Did I do a good job? More than $725 million on them.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) March 13 “First of all, it covers very few people.” (About 20 million people gained insurance under Obamacare.) March 15 “On the airplanes, I saved $725 million. Probably took me a half an hour if you added up all of the times.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) March 17 “I was in Tennessee — I was just telling the folks — and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company.” (There's at least one insurer in every Tennessee county.) March 20 “With just one negotiation on one set of airplanes, I saved the taxpayers of our country over $700 million.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) March 21 “To save taxpayer dollars, I’ve already begun negotiating better contracts for the federal government — saving over $700 million on just one set of airplanes of which there are many sets.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) March 22 “I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive riot, and death, and problems.” (Riots in Sweden broke out two days later and there were no deaths.) March 22 “NATO, obsolete, because it doesn’t cover terrorism. They fixed that.” (It has fought terrorism since the 1980s.) March 22 “Well, now, if you take a look at the votes, when I say that, I mean mostly they register wrong — in other words, for the votes, they register incorrectly and/or illegally. And they then vote. You have tremendous numbers of people.” (There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.) March 29 “Remember when the failing @nytimes apologized to its subscribers, right after the election, because their coverage was so wrong. Now worse!” (It didn't apologize.) March 31 “We have a lot of plants going up now in Michigan that were never going to be there if I — if I didn’t win this election, those plants would never even think about going back. They were gone.” (These investments were already planned.) April 2 “And I was totally opposed to the war in the Middle East which I think finally has been proven, people tried very hard to say I wasn’t but you’ve seen that it is now improving.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.) April 2 “Now, my last tweet — you know, the one that you are talking about, perhaps — was the one about being, in quotes, wiretapped, meaning surveilled. Guess what, it is turning out to be true.” (There is still no evidence.) April 5 “You have many states coming up where they’re going to have no insurance company. O.K.? It’s already happened in Tennessee. It’s happening in Kentucky. Tennessee only has half coverage. Half the state is gone. They left.” (Every marketplace region in Tennessee had at least one insurer.) April 6 “If you look at the kind of cost-cutting we’ve been able to achieve with the military and at the same time ordering vast amounts of equipment — saved hundreds of millions of dollars on airplanes, and really billions, because if you take that out over a period of years it’s many billions of dollars — I think we’ve had a tremendous success.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.) April 11 “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.) April 12 “You can't do it faster, because they're obstructing. They're obstructionists. So I have people — hundreds of people that we're trying to get through. I mean you have — you see the backlog. We can't get them through.” (At this point, he had not nominated anyone for hundreds of positions.) April 12 “The New York Times said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized.” (There were separate headlines for print and web, but neither were altered.) April 12 “The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism.” (NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.) April 12 “Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they’ve been fighting it for many months and so many more people died.” (The campaign was expected to take months.) April 16 “Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. The election is over!” (There's no evidence of paid protesters.) April 18 “The fake media goes, ‘Donald Trump changed his stance on China.’ I haven’t changed my stance.” (He did.) April 21 “On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.) April 21 “When WikiLeaks came out ... never heard of WikiLeaks, never heard of it.” (He criticized it as early as 2010.) April 27 “I want to help our miners while the Democrats are blocking their healthcare.” (The bill to extend health benefits for certain coal miners was introduced by a Democrat and was co-sponsored by mostly Democrats.) April 28 “The trade deficit with Mexico is close to $70 billion, even with Canada it’s $17 billion trade deficit with Canada.” (The U.S. had an $8.1 billion trade surplus, not deficit, with Canada in 2016.) April 28 “She's running against someone who's going to raise your taxes to the sky, destroy your health care, and he's for open borders — lots of crime.” (Those are not Jon Ossoff's positions.) April 28 “The F-35 fighter jet program — it was way over budget. I’ve saved $725 million plus, just by getting involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.) April 29 “As you know, I've been a big critic of China, and I've been talking about currency manipulation for a long time. But I have to tell you that during the election, number one, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.) April 29 “I've already saved more than $725 million on a simple order of F-35 planes. I got involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.) April 29 “We're also getting NATO countries to finally step up and contribute their fair share. They've begun to increase their contributions by billions of dollars, but we are not going to be satisfied until everyone pays what they owe.” (The deal was struck in 2014.) April 29 “When they talk about currency manipulation, and I did say I would call China, if they were, a currency manipulator, early in my tenure. And then I get there. Number one, they — as soon as I got elected, they stopped.” (China stopped in 2014.) April 29 “I was negotiating to reduce the price of the big fighter jet contract, the F-35, which was totally out of control. I will save billions and billions and billions of dollars.” (Most of the cuts were planned before Trump.) April 29 “I think our side's been proven very strongly. And everybody's talking about it.” (There's still no evidence Trump's phones were tapped.) May 1 “Well, we are protecting pre-existing conditions. And it'll be every good — bit as good on pre-existing conditions as Obamacare.” (The bill weakens protections for people with pre-existing conditions.) May 1 “The F-35 fighter jet — I saved — I got involved in the negotiation. It's 2,500 jets. I negotiated for 90 planes, lot 10. I got $725 million off the price.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.) May 1 “First of all, since I started running, they haven't increased their — you know, they have not manipulated their currency. I think that was out of respect to me and the campaign.” (China stopped years ago.) May 2 “I love buying those planes at a reduced price. I have been really — I have cut billions — I have to tell you this, and they can check, right, Martha? I have cut billions and billions of dollars off plane contracts sitting here.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) May 4 “Number two, they’re actually not a currency [manipulator]. You know, since I’ve been talking about currency manipulation with respect to them and other countries, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.) May 4 “We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) May 4 “Nobody cares about my tax return except for the reporters.” (Polls show most Americans do care.) May 8 “You know we’ve gotten billions of dollars more in NATO than we’re getting. All because of me.” (The deal was struck in 2014.) May 8 “But when I did his show, which by the way was very highly rated. It was high — highest rating. The highest rating he’s ever had.” (Colbert's Late Show debut had nearly two million more viewers.) May 8 “Director Clapper reiterated what everybody, including the fake media already knows — there is ‘no evidence’ of collusion

Russia and Trump.” (Clapper only said he wasn't aware of an investigation.) May 12 “Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election.” (The F.B.I. was investigating before the election.) May 12 “When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?” (Clapper said he wouldn't have been told of an investigation into collusion.) May 13 “I'm cutting the price of airplanes with Lockheed.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.) May 26 “Just arrived in Italy for the G7. Trip has been very successful. We made and saved the USA many billions of dollars and millions of jobs.” (He's referencing an arms deal that's not enacted and other apparent deals that weren't announced on the trip.) June 1 “China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So, we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement. India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020.” (The agreement doesn’t allow or disallow building coal plants.) June 1 “I’ve just returned from a trip overseas where we concluded nearly $350 billion of military and economic development for the United States, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.” (Trump’s figures are inflated and premature.) June 4 “At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’” (The mayor was specifically talking about the enlarged police presence on the streets.) June 5 “The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.” (Trump signed this version of the travel ban, not the Justice Department.) June 20 “Well, the Special Elections are over and those that want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN are 5 and O!” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.) June 21 “They all say it's 'nonbinding.' Like hell it's nonbinding.” (The Paris climate agreement is nonbinding — and Trump said so in his speech announcing the withdrawal.) June 21 “Right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world.” (We're not.) June 21 “You have a gang called MS-13. ... We are moving them out of the country by the thousands, by the thousands.” (The real number of gang members deported is smaller.) June 21 “Your insurance companies have all fled the state of Iowa.” (They haven't.) June 21 “If [farmers] have a puddle in the middle of their field ... it's considered a lake and you can't touch it. ... We got rid of that one, too, O.K.?” (The Obama environmental rule to limit pollution in the country’s waters explicitly excludes puddles.) June 21 “Gary Cohn just paid $200 million in tax in order to take this job, by the way.” (Cohn sold Goldman Sachs stock worth $220 million.) June 21 “We’re 5 and 0.” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.) June 21 “Last week a brand-new coal mine just opened in the state of Pennsylvania, first time in decades, decades.” (Another coal mine opened in 2014.) June 22 “Former Homeland Security Advisor Jeh Johnson is latest top intelligence official to state there was no grand scheme between Trump & Russia.” (Johnson, who had a different title, didn't say that.) June 23 “We are 5 and 0 ... in these special elections.” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.) June 27 “Ratings way down!” (CNN's ratings were at a five-year high at the time.) June 28 “Democrats purposely misstated Medicaid under new Senate bill — actually goes up.” (Senate bill would have cut the program deeply.) June 29 “General Kelly and his whole group — they’ve gotten rid of 6,000 so far.” (The real number of MS-13 gang members who have been deported is smaller.) July 6 “As a result of this insistence, billions of dollars more have begun to pour into NATO.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.) July 17 “We’ve signed more bills — and I’m talking about through the legislature — than any president, ever.” (Clinton, Carter, Truman, and F.D.R. had signed more at the same point.) July 19 “Um, the Russian investigation — it’s not an investigation, it’s not on me — you know, they’re looking at a lot of things.” (It is.) July 19 “I heard that Harry Truman was first, and then we beat him. These are approved by Congress. These are not just executive orders.” (Presidents Clinton, Carter, Truman, and F.D.R. each had signed more legislation than Trump at the same point in their terms.) July 19 “But the F.B.I. person really reports directly to the president of the United States, which is interesting.” (He reports directly to the attorney general.) July 19 “She did the uranium deal, which is a horrible thing, while she was secretary of state, and got a lot of money.” (There's no evidence Hillary Clinton was actively involved or benefited from the deal.) July 24 “It looks like about 45,000 people. You set a record today.” (Many fewer than 45,000 were there, and the attendance was not a record.) July 25 “We have the highest taxes anywhere in the world, and this will really bring them down to one of the lowest.” (Tax rates in the United States are below average, overall and for an industrialized country.) July 25 “We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world” (We're not.) July 25 “We have nearly doubled the number of veterans given approvals to see the doctor of their choice.” (The increase was 26 percent.) July 25 “Since I took office we have cut illegal immigration on our southern border by record numbers. 78 percent.” (The decline began before Trump's inauguration.) July 28 “The previous administration enacted an open-door policy to illegal migrants from Central America. "Welcome in. Come in, please, please.” (Obama deported millions.) July 28 “We have trade deficits with almost every country because we had a lot of really bad negotiators making deals with other countries.” (The U.S. has a trade surplus with more than 100 countries.) July 31 “2.6 is a number that nobody thought they’d see for a long period of time.” (Many experts predicted economic growth at least this high.) July 31 “And even the President of Mexico called me – they said their southern border, very few people are coming because they know they’re not going to get through our border, which is the ultimate compliment.” (Mexico's president says he didn't call Trump.) Aug. 1 “And I think to me, maybe the biggest is that GDP for the quarter just released at 2.6 percent. So that's so much higher than anticipated.” (It wasn't.) Aug. 3 “Economic growth has surged to 2.6% nationwide. You have to understand what that means. Nobody thought that number was going to happen.” (Many experts predicted that.) Aug. 3 “The Russia story is a total fabrication.” (It's not.) Aug. 3 “Or let them look at the uranium she sold that is now in the hands of very angry Russians.” (There's no evidence Hillary Clinton was actively involved in the sale.) Aug. 15 “We want products made in the country. Now, I have to tell you, some of the folks that will leave, they're leaving out of embarrassment because they make their products outside.” (People resigned from Trump's business councils over his Charlottesville comments.) Aug. 22 “Remember, everybody said you won’t bring it up to 1 percent. You won’t bring it up to 1.2 percent.” (Many experts predicted economic growth at least this high.) Aug. 22 “I mean truly dishonest people in the media and the fake media, they make up stories. They have no sources in many cases. They say 'a source says' – there is no such thing.” (The media does not make up sources.) Aug. 22 “As everybody here remembers, this was the scene of my first rally speech, right?” (Trump's first rally was in New Hampshire) Aug. 22 “We have become an energy exporter for the first time ever just recently.” (The U.S. isn't projected to become a net energy exporter until 2026.) Aug. 22 “Look back there, the live red lights. They're turning those suckers off fast out there. They're turning those lights off fast. Like CNN.” (CNN didn't turn off its cameras.) Sept. 6 “The taxes are crazy – the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Sept. 6 “We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.” (We're not.) Sept. 8 “Our incredible U.S. Coast Guard saved more than 15,000 lives last week with Harvey.” (The real number is 11,022.) Sept. 14 “Also with the fact that I know in the case of FEMA and the case of Coast Guard, the job you've done in saving people, saving lives. As an example, in Harvey in Texas, we talked – over 16,000 lives.” (The real number is smaller.) Sept. 14 “And in Florida you got hit with the strongest winds ever recorded.” (They weren't the strongest ever recorded.) Sept. 22 “We've been dealing with ICE, we've been dealing with the Border Patrol. They both endorsed me.” (Neither agency endorsed him; only their unions did.) Sept. 22 “So he started off here, he was in third or fourth, he went to third, second, and now it's like almost pretty even.” (Strange consistently polled first or second in the Alabama Republican primary.) Sept. 29 “With the F-35 fighter plane – me, myself – I've saved hundreds of millions of dollars in negotiating.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.) Sept. 27 “I’m doing the right thing, and it’s not good for me.” (All available evidence suggests he would benefit.) Sept. 27 “To protect millions of small businesses and the American farmer, we are finally ending the crushing, the horrible, the unfair estate tax.” (The real number of small businesses and farmers is vastly smaller.) Sept. 27 “No, I don't benefit. I don't benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there's very little benefit for people of wealth.” (The tax plan would personally benefit Trump and other wealthy individuals.) Sept. 27 “Facebook was always anti-Trump.The Networks were always anti-Trump hence,Fake News, @nytimes(apologized) & @WaPo were anti-Trump.” (The Times did not apologize for its Trump coverage.) Sept. 28 “I mean right now, we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 3 “But the Coast Guard itself saved in Texas 16,000 lives, and they went right through that hurricane.” (The real number is smaller.) Oct. 3 “But that's an expensive plane that you can't see. And as you probably heard, we cut the price very substantially – something that other administrations would never have done, that I can tell you.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.) Oct. 6 “I was able to reduce the price of the Lockheed by billions of dollars.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.) Oct. 6 “We're the highest-taxed developed nation in the world, probably the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 6 “They also just said that there has been absolutely no collusion. They just said that. Yesterday. Two days ago. Senate. There has been no collusion.” (The Senate didn't say that.) Oct. 6 “This tax cut and tax reform is going very well, and it's going to be a tremendous boost for our country, including the fact that we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 7 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 7 “The Coast Guard, in Texas, and all over, but with the job they did in Texas, I saw, they saved 16,000 lives.” (The real number is smaller.) Oct. 7 “Obama should have never gotten out the way he got out. That's how ISIS formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.) Oct. 10 “The Failing @nytimes set Liddle' Bob Corker up by recording his conversation. Was made to sound a fool, and that's what I am dealing with!” (Corker asked the Times reporter to record the call; his aides recorded it too.) Oct. 10 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 11 “We have missiles that can knock out a missile in the air. Ninety seven per cent of the time. If you send two of them, it's going to get knocked out.” (The effectiveness rate is about 60 percent.) Oct. 16 “We're the highest-taxed country in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 16 “I hear that Ireland is going to be reducing their corporate rates down to 8 percent from 12.” (Ireland has no plans to cut its tax rate.) Oct. 16 “If you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls.” (They did call families of soldiers killed in action.) Oct. 16 “All I can say is it's totally fake news, just fake. It's fake. It's made-up stuff, and it's disgraceful what happens, but that happens in the world of politics.” (Trump himself has bragged about groping women.) Oct. 17 “We're the highest taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 17 “Right now, we are the highest-taxed nation anywhere in the world. You can even say developed or undeveloped.” (We're not.) Oct. 17 “As far as I'm concerned, I think we're really essentially the highest. But if you'd like to add the developed nation, you can say that, too.” (Taxes in the U.S. are lower than in most developed countries.) Oct. 17 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world. We are taxed beyond belief.” (We're not.) Oct. 17 “Well, we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) Oct. 17 “I wish President Obama didn't get out the way he got out. Because that left a vacuum and ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.) Oct. 18 “Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof).” (The wife confirmed Representative Frederica Wilson's account.) Oct. 18 “The Coast Guard in Texas saved 16,000 lives.” (The real number was smaller.) Oct. 18 “Nobody has ever heard of a five hitting land.” (Category 5 storms have hit land before.) Oct. 24 “Under our plan, more than 30 million Americans who own small businesses will get a 40 per cent cut to their top marginal tax rate.” (The real number is estimated to be less than 1 million.) Oct. 25 “We have trade deficits with almost everybody.” (We have trade surpluses with more than 100 countries.) Oct. 27 “Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning, never wins elections!” (Steyer has financially supported many winning candidates.) Nov. 1 “Again, we're the highest-taxed nation, just about, in the world.” (We're not.) Nov. 7 “When you look at the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation, it's Chicago.” (Several other cities, including New York and Los Angeles, have stronger gun laws.) Nov. 11 “I'd rather have him – you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing about whether or not – because that whole thing was set up by the Democrats.” (There is no evidence that Democrats "set up" Russian interference in the election.)

Rachel Hurley
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The misinformation surrounding Charlie Kirk is astounding - and I’m not talking about average people sounding off on social media - I’m talking about the bullshit being spread by major news outlets and so-called liberal journalists.

I’m looking at you, Ezra Klein.

While Kirk’s shooter was obviously overly steeped in internet whackadoo memelord culture - the “normies” don’t have a clue about how internet culture works at all.

Charlie Kirk wasn’t someone who was looking for honest debate. He was a political operative spreading hate and divisiveness. When you show his fans his racist, sexist or bigoted rhetoric - they defend it by saying “That’s not (racist, sexist, bigoted) - it’s true.” And that was his goal.

The whole “Prove Me Wrong” setup that made Kirk famous wasn’t really about proving anyone wrong. It was about creating content. Kirk mastered a specific type of performance that looked like debate but functioned more like a carefully orchestrated show designed to make his opponents look foolish and his positions seem unassailable.

The basic formula was simple - set up a table on a college campus, invite students to challenge conservative talking points, then use a combination of rhetorical tricks and editing magic to create viral moments. What looked like open discourse was actually a rigged game where Kirk held all the advantages.

First, there’s the obvious setup problem.

Kirk was a professional political operative who spent years honing his arguments and memorizing statistics. He knew exactly which topics would come up and had practiced responses ready.

Meanwhile, his opponents were typically 19-year-old students who wandered over between classes. It’s like watching a professional boxer fight random people at the gym - the outcome was predetermined.

Kirk used what debate experts call a corrupted version of the Socratic method. Instead of asking genuine questions to explore ideas, he’d ask leading questions designed to trap students in contradictions or force them into uncomfortable positions. He’d start with seemingly reasonable premises, then quickly pivot to more extreme conclusions, leaving his opponents scrambling to keep up.

The classic example was his approach to gender identity discussions. Kirk would begin by asking seemingly straightforward definitional questions - “What is a woman?” - then use whatever answer he received as a launching pad for increasingly aggressive follow-ups. If someone mentioned social roles, he’d demand biological definitions. If they provided biological definitions, he’d find edge cases or exceptions to exploit.

The goal wasn’t understanding or genuine dialogue - it was creating moments where students appeared confused or contradictory.

Kirk also employed rapid-fire questioning techniques that made it nearly impossible for opponents to fully develop their thoughts. He’d interrupt, reframe, and redirect before anyone could establish a coherent argument. This created the illusion that his opponents couldn’t defend their positions when really they just couldn’t get a word in edgewise.

The editing process was equally important. Kirk’s team would film hours of interactions, then cut together the moments that made him look brilliant and his opponents look unprepared. Nuanced discussions got reduced to gotcha moments. Students who made good points found those parts mysteriously absent from the final videos.

What’s particularly insidious about this approach is how it masquerades as good-faith debate while undermining the very principles that make real discourse valuable. Kirk wasn’t interested in having his mind changed or learning from others - he was performing certainty for an audience that craved validation of their existing beliefs.

The “Prove Me Wrong” framing itself was misleading. It suggested Kirk was open to being persuaded when the entire setup was designed to prevent that possibility. Real intellectual humility requires admitting uncertainty, acknowledging complexity, and engaging with the strongest versions of opposing arguments. Kirk’s format did the opposite.

This style of debate-as-performance has become incredibly popular because it feeds into our current political moment’s hunger for easy victories and clear villains. People want to see their side “destroying” the opposition with “facts and logic.” Kirk provided that satisfaction without the messy reality of actual intellectual engagement.

The broader damage extends beyond individual interactions. When debate becomes about humiliating opponents rather than exploring ideas, it corrupts the entire enterprise of democratic discourse. Students who got embarrassed in these exchanges weren’t just losing arguments - they were being taught that engaging with different viewpoints was dangerous and futile.

Kirk’s approach also contributed to the broader polarization problem by making political identity feel like a zero-sum game where any concession to the other side represented total defeat. His debates reinforced the idea that political opponents weren’t just wrong but ridiculous - a perspective that makes compromise and collaboration nearly impossible.

The most troubling aspect might be how this style of engagement spreads. Kirk inspired countless imitators who use similar tactics in their own contexts. The model of setting up situations where you can’t lose, then claiming victory when your rigged game produces the expected results, has become a template for political engagement across the spectrum.

Real debate requires vulnerability - the possibility that you might be wrong and need to change your mind. Kirk’s format eliminated that possibility by design. His certainty was performative rather than earned, and his victories were manufactured rather than genuine.

The tragedy of this approach is that college campuses actually need more genuine dialogue about difficult political questions. Students are forming their worldviews and wrestling with complex issues. They deserve engagement that helps them think more clearly, not performances designed to make them look stupid.

Kirk’s assassination represents a horrific escalation of political violence that has no place in democratic society. But it’s worth remembering that his debate tactics, while not violent, were themselves a form of intellectual violence that treated political opponents as objects to be humiliated rather than fellow citizens to be engaged.

I’ve turned down every podcast and interview request that’s come my way in the past few months. Two reasons. First, I have zero interest in making myself the story. Second, and more importantly, I’m not some oracle with instant answers on demand.

Podcasts and debates aren’t designed for real intellectual work. They’re built for entertainment. Serious thinking doesn’t happen in a soundbite. It requires time to wrestle with ideas, to sit with them, to test them against reality. My first reaction isn’t always my best one - and I’m honest enough to admit that. What feels true in the moment often crumbles under reflection. That’s why I’d rather write than perform.

Because while I also make my living from creating content - I refuse to mistake performance for truth.

Gizmogirl28	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:26
	10 september: quote: De rechtse activist Charlie Kirk (31), een fervente aanhanger van Donald Trump, is neergeschoten tijdens een evenement op een universiteit in de Amerikaanse staat Utah. Dat meldt een woordvoerder van de universiteit aan ‘NBC News’ . Op beelden die circuleren op sociale media is het moment te zien waarop Kirk wordt geraakt en er paniek uitbreekt onder de aanwezigen op het evenement, dat plaatsvond op de Utah Valley University. Op de beelden, die niet konden worden geverifieerd, is ook te zien hoe een oudere man door omstaanders in bedwang wordt gehouden. Het is niet duidelijk of het om de schutter gaat. Een woordvoerder van Kirk zegt tegen ‘Fox News’ dat het niet bekend is in welke toestand hij verkeert. Ook over de identiteit van de schutter en het motief bestaat nog geen duidelijkheid. Trump De Amerikaanse president Donald Trump heeft via zijn eigen socialemediaplatform Truth Social gereageerd op het incident. “We moeten allemaal bidden voor Charlie Kirk, die werd neergeschoten. Hij is fantastisch, van kop tot teen.” Ook vicepresident JD Vance betuigt zijn medeleven op X: “Bid voor Charlie Kirk, een goede man en een jonge vader.” Charlie Kirk is een prominente Amerikaanse conservatieve activist en de oprichter van Turning Point USA, een organisatie die zich richt op het mobiliseren van jonge conservatieven. Hij staat bekend om zijn rol in het verspreiden van rechts-populistische ideeën, het ondersteunen van Donald Trump en het bevorderen van een christelijk-nationalistische agenda. Kirk is vooral bekend van zijn debatten op universiteiten, waarvan hij vaak fragmenten deelt op TikTok. Hij presenteert ook een eigen radioprogramma, ‘The Charlie Kirk Show’. 11 september: quote: De FBI heeft in de zoektocht naar de schutter die de rechts-conservatieve Charlie Kirk doodschoot het vermoedelijke moordwapen gevonden. Ook is er goed beeldmateriaal van de schutter. Volgens de FBI zijn er op dit moment geen andere mensen in gevaar. Het gaat vermoedelijk om een jonge verdachte, deelt de FBI op een persconferentie. Hij viel door zijn leeftijd niet op tussen het universiteitspubliek. Uit het politieonderzoek blijkt dat de schutter rond 11.50 uur (lokale tijd) aankwam op de campus van de Utah Valley University, ongeveer een half uur voordat hij het schot op Kirk loste. De politie heeft vanaf dat moment zijn sporen kunnen volgen. Zo weten ze dat de verdachte over de campus naar het trappenhuis van een gebouw is gelopen. Via daar ging die naar het dak. Na de aanslag op Kirk rende de vermeende schutter over het dak en sprong eraf. Vervolgens zou de verdachte de omliggende wijk van de universiteit ingevlucht zijn. De onderzoekers hebben "goed beeldmateriaal van de persoon", zegt Beau Mason, het hoofd van het veiligheidsdepartement van de Amerikaanse staat Utah. De beelden worden voorlopig nog niet gedeeld, omdat de politie het gezicht van de verdachte probeert te identificeren. Pas als dat niet lukt, worden de beelden mogelijk vrijgegeven. Ook hebben de autoriteiten een afdruk van zijn hand en onderarm gevonden, wat kan bijdragen aan het opsporen van de schutter, zegt een FBI-agent tijdens de persconferentie. Daarnaast hebben ze een indruk van welke schoenen de verdachte zou hebben gedragen. 12 september: quote: 22-jarige man uit Utah aangehouden voor moord op Charlie Kirk De Amerikaanse autoriteiten hebben vrijdag na een klopjacht een verdachte aangehouden voor de moord op de rechts-conservatieve activist Charlie Kirk. De verdachte is een 22-jarige man uit Utah, zeggen bronnen. President Donald Trump zei eerder op de dag tegen Fox News dat de verdachte door iemand uit zijn directe omgeving is aangegeven. De gouverneur van Utah, Spencer J. Cox, bevestigde die lezing op een persconferentie. Ook bevestigde de gouverneur dat de verdachte uit Utah komt. Volgens Cox zijn de autoriteiten getipt door een familielid van de verdachte. Hij zou tijdens het avondeten opmerkingen hebben gemaakt over Kirk. De verdachte zou Kirk "haatdragend commentaar" hebben verweten. De autoriteiten hebben ook een kamergenoot van de verdachte ondervraagd. Die wees de politie op berichten op sociale media van de schutter. Daar zou zijn gesproken over het ophalen en achterlaten van een geweer. De gouverneur bevestigde bovendien dat er inderdaad boodschappen op gevonden kogelhulzen waren gegraveerd. Geruchten daarover deden al enige tijd de ronde. Een van de boodschappen luidde: "hé fascist, vangen!" Op een andere huls stond "bella ciao, ciao, ciao", zei Cox, die de moord op Kirk omschreef als een aanslag op alles waar de Verenigde Staten voor staan. De geëmotioneerd Cox riep jongeren op om meningsverschillen te omarmen en discussie niet uit de weg te gaan. Hij hoopt dat de moord op Kirk een keerpunt wordt voor Amerikanen. Ook FBI-directeur Kash Patel had het zwaar op de persconferentie. Schutter handelde alleen en loste één schot De 31-jarige Kirk werd woensdag tijdens een debat op de Utah Valley University in zijn nek geschoten en overleed even later aan zijn verwondingen in het ziekenhuis. Er waren zo'n drieduizend bezoekers bij het debat aanwezig, onder wie Kirks vrouw en kinderen. De schutter, die volgens Cox geen student was, handelde alleen en loste één schot. Dat gebeurde vanaf het dak van een universiteitsgebouw op zo'n 180 meter afstand. Het vermoedelijke moordwapen, een "krachtig geweer", werd eerder al gevonden in een bosrijk gebied, meldde de FBI donderdag op een persconferentie. Ook werd toen bekend dat de verdachte na de aanslag op Kirk over het dak rende en ervan afsprong. Vervolgens zou de verdachte de omliggende wijk in zijn gevlucht. Enkele uren na de persconferentie deelde de FBI beelden van de verdachte op X en vroeg om hulp bij het identificeren van de persoon. Volgens de autoriteiten ging het om een gerichte aanval op Kirk. Gouverneur Spencer Cox van de Amerikaanse staat Utah, waar de universiteit staat, noemde de schietpartij een politiek gemotiveerde moordaanslag. Na de schietpartij werden twee mensen aangehouden. Zij werden vrij snel daarna weer vrijgelaten en zouden niet betrokken zijn bij de schietpartij.
Wantie	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:29
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 19:23 schreef Gizmogirl28 het volgende: [..] Ow ja over Biden mag geen commentaar komen. Dit topic gaat over de moord van een republikein en het is nou zo verdraaid dat het zijn eigen schuld en van Trump is, en niemand mag wagen om dat tegen te spreken. Want Trump bla bla bla. Dit topic gaat over de moord op Charlie Kirk. En de polarisatie die tot deze en andere vormen van geweld heeft gezorgd wordt gewoon voortgezet. Kennelijk moeten er nog veel meer slachtoffers vallen.
OllieA	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:30
	Kirk wordt gelauwerd als verdediger van het vrije woord in Amerika, maar was hij dat wel? Is er in Amerika nog wel sprake van het vrije woord? In mijn ogen is er geen sprake van het vrije woord als leugen en waarheid evenveel waard zijn, wanneer feitenvrije betogen evenveel waard zijn als betogen die zo goed mogelijk onderbouwd zijn. Trumps stijl van 'communiceren' heeft een cultuur gecreëerd waarin waarheid er totaal niet meer toe doet, waarin feiten geen enkele rol spelen, waarin alleen zijn narratief er toe doet. Een post-truth cultuur, waarin een eerlijk gesprek in wezen niet meer mogelijk is. Een cultuur waarin geloofsovertuigingen evenveel waard zijn als moeizaam verworven wetenschappelijke inzichten. Een cultuur waarin de mening van creationisten evenveel waard is als die van evolutiebiologen. Een cultuur waarin JFK Jr de gezondheid van de Amerikaan moet gaan bewaken… Leugens volgen elkaar op, zijn niet meer bij te houden. Fact-checkers rennen achter de leugens aan. De checks doen er niet meer toe, want er is alweer een nieuwe leugen de wereld in geslingerd. Trump heeft deze termijn mensen om zich heen verzameld die zich als een vis in het water voelen in een dergelijke feitenvrije post-truth cultuur. Mensen die onwelgevallige statistieken publiceren worden ontslagen en er wordt een hielenlikker benoemd. Met leugens probeert men capabele medewerkers van de Fed eruit te werken. Charlie Kirk was een politieke influencer (vroeger noemden we dat een politiek agitator) die zeer actief heeft meegewerkt aan de totstandkoming van de tweede termijn van Trump en zijn kliek. Kirk heeft actief meegewerkt aan een post-truth Amerika, waarin de grootste schreeuwers er met de waarheid en de centen vandoor gaan. Geen promotor van het vrije woord, geen Messias van het debat naar mijn mening. Moest hij daarom worden doodgeschoten? Nee, natuurlijk niet. Executies horen mijns inziens zelfs niet het voorrecht van de staat te zijn, laat staan het voorrecht van een snotneus met een mening. Maar om Kirk nou op het schild te hijsen als een voorvechter van het vrije woord en een voorvechter van universele waarden, nee.
Gizmogirl28	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:30
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 19:29 schreef Wantie het volgende: [..] Dit topic gaat over de moord op Charlie Kirk. En de polarisatie die tot deze en andere vormen van geweld heeft gezorgd wordt gewoon voortgezet. Kennelijk moeten er nog veel meer slachtoffers vallen.
Sherlock_Holmes	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:37
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 19:30 schreef OllieA het volgende: Maar om Kirk nou op het schild te hijsen als een voorvechter van het vrije woord en een voorvechter van universele waarden, nee. Die schutter had hem trouwens voor links wel beter op een ander moment kunnen doden. Maakt het verhaal zo lastig.
epicbeardman	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 19:43
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RotatoR	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:00
	twitter Dit is dan wel goed van Vance.
Glazenmaker	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:07
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:00 schreef RotatoR het volgende: [ x ] Dit is dan wel goed van Vance. Een show voortzetten die gigantisch heeft bijgedragen aan politiek geweld goedpraten nadat de host zelf is doodgeschoten? Ik weet niet hoor...
PieterDeRijcke	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:11
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:00 schreef RotatoR het volgende: [ x ] Dit is dan wel goed van Vance. Zeker. Mooi dat hij dat doet voor zijn vriend en partijgenoot. ♥️
Wantie	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:14
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:00 schreef RotatoR het volgende: [ x ] Dit is dan wel goed van Vance. Ja, daar zit geen enkel grijntje eigenbelang bij...
RotatoR	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:20
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:07 schreef Glazenmaker het volgende: [..] Een show voortzetten die gigantisch heeft bijgedragen aan politiek geweld goedpraten nadat de host zelf is doodgeschoten? Ik weet niet hoor... Lijkt me wel zo verstandig om niet toe te geven aan de mentaal zieke communisten die geweld niet schuwen.
quo_	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:25
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 19:29 schreef Wantie het volgende: [..] Dit topic gaat over de moord op Charlie Kirk. En de polarisatie die tot deze en andere vormen van geweld heeft gezorgd wordt gewoon voortgezet. Kennelijk moeten er nog veel meer slachtoffers vallen. Ik beng bang dat het in de VS helemaal de verkeerde kant op gaat. In de telegraaf een (helaas) premium artikel met onheilspellende teksten vanuit het republikeinse kamp, lees Trump quote: Regering-Trump opent aanval op radicaal links na moord op Charlie Kirk: ’We gaan ze aanpakken en ontmantelen’ .................. De laatste boodschap die Charlie Kirk me gaf, is dat we de radicaal-linkse organisaties in dit land die geweld uiten, moeten ontmantelen en aanpakken. En dat gaan we doen.” ........... Bij Fox News zei Trump vrijdag in de ochtendshow op de vraag hoe het land de eensgezindheid kan herstellen: ’De radicalen ter linkerzijde zijn het probleem. Ze zijn boosaardig en vreselijk.’ Later voegde de president er aan toe: ’De Democraten zijn ziek.’ https://www.telegraaf.nl/(...)ntelen/90449785.html Niet erg presidentieel en zeker niet verbindend. Bovendien wordt alles op één hoop gegeooid van democraat tot antifa. En we weten hoe zijn achterban kan reageren op verholen of minder verholen opjutterij van de grote baas.
DrDentz	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:26
	Er zal wel nooit een mooie biografische Hollywoodfilm komen over het leven van Charlie. 😟 Een inspirerende speech over hoe je geen abortus mag plegen en dat zwarte vrouwen dom zijn win je geen oscars mee.
Sherlock_Holmes	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:30
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:26 schreef DrDentz het volgende: Er zal wel nooit een mooie biografische Hollywoodfilm komen over het leven van Charlie. 😟 Een inspirerende speech over hoe je geen abortus mag plegen en dat zwarte vrouwen dom zijn win je geen oscars mee. Ach, Trump was onlangs nog genomineerd voor een Oscar
Wantie	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:30
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:25 schreef quo_ het volgende: [..] Ik beng bang dat het in de VS helemaal de verkeerde kant op gaat. In de telegraaf een (helaas) premium artikel met onheilspellende teksten vanuit het republikeinse kamp, lees Trump [..] Niet erg presidentieel en zeker niet verbindend. Bovendien wordt alles op één hoop gegeooid van democraat tot antifa. En we weten hoe zijn achterban kan reageren op verholen of minder verholen opjutterij van de grote baas. En dat voor een president die de Nobelprijs voor de vrede nastreeft... Trump was in zijn eerste termijn al een polariserende president. Dat is in dit termijn alleen maar erger geworden. De VS gaat naar de klote. Hoeveel politieke moorden hebben we dit jaar al gehad? En Trump is nog geeneens een jaar president.
ThePlaneteer	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:36
	Interessant, er zijn dit jaar al 47 school shootings geweest maar nu roept men 'oei dit gaat de verkeerde kant op'. Het geeft vooral aan dat als Robinson z'n klas overhoop had geknald geen enkele Republikein er stil bij had gestaan. Dat is toch wel de pijnlijke waarheid van dit land.
Glazenmaker	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:43
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:20 schreef RotatoR het volgende: [..] Lijkt me wel zo verstandig om niet toe te geven aan de mentaal zieke communisten die geweld niet schuwen. Tot nu toe is er meer bewijs dat de schutter extreem rechts was dan communistisch.
quo_	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:45
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:36 schreef ThePlaneteer het volgende: Interessant, er zijn dit jaar al 47 school shootings geweest maar nu roept men 'oei dit gaat de verkeerde kant op'. Het geeft vooral aan dat als Robinson z'n klas overhoop had geknald geen enkele Republikein er stil bij had gestaan. Dat is toch wel de pijnlijke waarheid van dit land. De schietpartijen op scholen is een typisch usa probleem wat al decennia lang bestaat. Maar deze vorm van geweld, hoe erg ook, staat los van de politieke arena en heeft geen enkele invloed op de stabiliteit in de wereld. In het doemscenario waarin de republikeinse helft van het land achter de democratische helft aan gaat onder het mom van het opruimen van "linkse extremisten" kom je wel erg dicht in de buurt van een burgeroorlog scenario. En daar gaat de hele wereld last van krijgen.
Wantie	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:45
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:36 schreef ThePlaneteer het volgende: Interessant, er zijn dit jaar al 47 school shootings geweest maar nu roept men 'oei dit gaat de verkeerde kant op'. Het geeft vooral aan dat als Robinson z'n klas overhoop had geknald geen enkele Republikein er stil bij had gestaan. Dat is toch wel de pijnlijke waarheid van dit land. Het verschil is dat uit die moorden geen politiek gewin valt te halen.
RotatoR	maandag 15 september 2025 @ 20:53
	quote: Op maandag 15 september 2025 20:43 schreef Glazenmaker het volgende: [..] Tot nu toe is er meer bewijs dat de schutter extreem rechts was dan communistisch. Lijkt me nogal vergezocht aangezien hij onderdeel is van de communistische trans sekte.