Liveblog Al Jazeeraquote:Tijdlijn van de ontwikkelingen in Oekrane
NOVEMBER
* Nov 21: Kiev suddenly announces suspension of trade and association talks with the EU and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kiev.
* Nov 30: Riot police try to break up the Kiev demonstration by force. Protest turns against Yanukovich and his government.
DECEMBER
Protests continue with crowds of up to 800,000. Some clashes with police. Opposition forms bloc called Maidan. Yanukovich and Putin meet, Putin agrees to buy $15 billion of Ukrainian debt and to slash by a third the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine.
JANUARY
* Jan 22: Three people die in protests in Kiev. EU threatens action over crisis. Talks between opposition, Yanukovich fail.
* Jan 23: Washington threatens sanctions over violence.
* Jan 26: Unrest spreads to pro-Yanukovich east.
FEBRUARY
Anti-government protests turn increasingly violent. At least 77 people killed in clashes between demonstrators and police.
* Feb 21: Opposition leaders sign EU-mediated peace pact with Yanukovich.
* Feb 22: Ukraine's parliament votes to remove Yanukovich, who flees. Arch-rival Yulia Tymoshenko released from jail.
* Feb 26: Ukraine appoints new government. Angry Russia puts 150,000 troops on high alert.
* Feb 27-28: Armed men seize Crimea parliament, raise Russian flag. Militia take control of two airports in Crimea.
MARCH
* March 1: Putin wins parliamentary approval to invade Ukraine, angering the White House. Russian forces fan out in Crimea.
* March 6: Crimea's leadership votes to join Russia. U.S. President Barack Obama orders sanctions on those responsible for Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
EU leaders hold emergency summit to find ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation.
* March 15: Two killed in clashes between pro-Russian demonstrators and Ukrainian nationalists.
* March 16: Referendum held in Crimea, shows overwhelming support for joining the Russian Federation.
* March 21: Putin signs laws completing annexation of Crimea. The U.S. imposes sanctions on Putin's close allies, EU follows with similar measures.
* March 23: NATO says Russia has amassed a large force at Ukraine's border.
* March 24: Ukraine pulls troops from Crimea.
APRIL
* April 2: NATO suspends cooperation with Russia.
* April 7: Pro-Russia activists in eastern Ukraine proclaim the creation of the "Donetsk People's Republic".
* April 12: Separatists take control of city of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine. Kiev prepares troops.
* April 13: One Ukrainian state security officer killed and five wounded in operation against separatists.
* April 14: Obama warns Putin in phone call that Moscow would face further costs for its actions in Ukraine.
* April 17: Pro-Russian separatists seize armored vehicles of Ukraine forces trying to recapture rebel-controlled town.
* April 18: The United States, Russia, Ukraine and the EU reach deal for illegal armed groups to disarm and end occupations of public buildings and spaces.
* April 19: Separatists say they will not sign deal until the Kiev government steps down.
* April 24: Ukraine sends in troops again to try to expel the separatists in Slaviansk, kill five rebels.
* April 25: Ukrainian forces mount full blockade of Slaviansk. Separatists detain group of international observers, say a Kiev "spy" among them.
* April 26: G7 leaders agree to impose extra sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. Yatsenyuk cuts short a Vatican trip to see Pope Francis, saying Russian warplanes violated Ukraine's airspace seven times overnight. Russia denies the claim.
* April 27: Rebels say the OSCE observers are "prisoners of war" and present them in front of the press, where they say they have not been mistreated.
* April 28: West imposes new sanctions on Moscow. Russia vows a "painful" response. Russia says troops have returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine. The West says there is no sign of this pull-back. Russia assures the US it will not invade Ukraine.
* April 29: Russia accuses Washington of seeking to revive Iron Curtain policies. Putin warns sanctions could harm Western interests in Russia's lucrative energy sector, denies there are Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.
* April 30: Kiev says its armed forces are on "full combat alert" against a possible Russian invasion. Interim president Oleksandr Turchynov admits Kiev is "helpless" to prevent rebels over-running towns. Rebels storm the regional police building and town hall in Gorlivka. The International Monetary Fund approves $17-billion aid deal for the beleaguered Ukrainian economy.
MAY
* May 1: Some 300 pro-Russian militants seize prosecutor's office in Donetsk amid violent clashes with police. Conscription reintroduced for all Ukrainian men aged 18-25.
* May 2: Ukrainian commandos launch pre-dawn raid to retake Slavyansk. Rebels shoot down two helicopters and two servicemen are killed.
* May 3: Slavyansk rebels free OSCE inspectors after Kremlin envoy intervenes. Two days of mourning proclaimed over Odessa deaths. Fierce firefights around Slavyansk and nearby towns as military seeks to retake control.
* May 4: Kiev vows to expand "anti-terrorism" operations. Yatsenyuk launches probe into security forces in Odessa over the deaths.
May 5: A fresh assault begins on Slovyansk. The interior minister says more than 30 rebels are killed. Four servicemen are also killed. Russia warns Europe's peace is at risk. UN chief Ban Ki-moon offers to mediate personally as the West launches new diplomatic push.
May 6: Russia rejects a German-led move for a new peace meeting. Germany says Ukraine is on the verge of war.
May 7: In a surprise announcement, Putin calls for rebel independence referendums to be pushed back and endorses Ukraine's planned presidential election. He says Russian troops pulled back from border. The new overall toll from Ukrainian military operations stands at 14 servicemen dead.
May 8: Rebels vow to press on with referendums despite Putin's call. Russia conducts military exercises, test-fires several missiles, and says nuclear capabilities are on "constant combat alert." NATO says there is no sign of a Russian troop pull-back.
May 9: Putin flies to annexed Crimea after overseeing a display of military might in the Red Square where he paid tribute to Russia's "all-conquering patriotic force." Clashes break out in Mariupol that the interior minister says leave 21 dead.
May 10: France and Germany threaten to step up sanctions against Russia if the May 25 election is disrupted and urge Kiev to cease "offensive" operations before the vote.
May 11: "Referendums" are held in the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk. Fighting is reported around Slovyansk as rebels try to retake TV tower.
May 12: Pro-Russia activists declare resounding victory in a twin referendum on sovereignty for eastern Ukraine. The provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk voted on Sunday to secede from Ukraine. Russian gas giant Gazprom gives Ukraine until June 3 to pay $1.6bn for natural gas. The EU ramps up sanctions on Moscow.
May 13: Seven Ukrainian soldiers killed in rebel ambush in the deadliest single loss of life for the military since the start of the uprising.
May 14: Ukraine hosts "national unity" talks based on an OSCE roadmap but rebels are not invited.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 15:36:14#Konstantinovka is purged. #Ukraine flag is waving on city hall. #Ukraine #ATO http://t.co/wf2bJr5xmG reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 19:12:24#Tymchuk #Semenovoka is completely cleansed. #ATO made filtration there. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 19:40:18On July 3-4 terrorists in #Slaviansk had 18 tanks, around 30 BMP-APC-BRDM-BMDs, 12 AA guns. ALL tanks were lost. 1 remained. Didn't make it. reageer retweet
twitter:
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 19:51:43Terrorists fled #Slaviansk in 2 columns, 1 over fields & rear guard. Rear guard & over fields where smashed to bits. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 19:53:33The main fleeing column was left intact, although #ATO 2 Su planes did follow them to #Horlivka. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:02:02Battalion "#Vostok" has almost non existing chain of command. In #Donetsk beside 700 #Girkin's men 1200 #Vostok ones + Russian Orthodox Army reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:06:53#ATO air forces made air raids in #Horlivka on #Bezler aka #Bez unit camps, ammo depot. Had significant losses, ammo depot gone. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:05:40#Torez-#Snizhne units have been hit seriously, in bad shapes,also w no armour now.The #Horlivka units have been too seriously hit, lost ammo reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:10:54On June 6 fr #Russian Orthodox Army all mercenary snipers left saying won't obey to idiots & salary is shit. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
Tanks en nog heel veel ander materieel is achtergelaten in Slaviansktwitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:12:46On June 6 terrorists tried to seize #Donetsk airport. Unskilled ROA & #Vostok. Lost many, 1 tank, lorry truck w AA gun. Tank was fr #Snizhne reageer retweet
twitter:tuumapomm twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 19:45:34@lennutrajektoor tactical retreat my ass reageer retweet
Heel erg pro-Oekrane.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 09:24 schreef Solstice1 het volgende:
Die lennutrajektoor is pro-Oekrane gok ik?
Konstantinovkatwitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 07:48:47#Tymchuk Last night #ATO executed well planned plan & liberated town #Konstantinovka. It's under full ATO ctrl. #Ukraine reageer retweet
Daar mag best een paar korrels zout bij.twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 21:15:46Give up #Crimea ? From the owner of @KyivPost WTF!!! How #Ukraine Can Begin to Move Forward http://t.co/MosN7noHWm via @HuffPostUK |EMPR reageer retweet
Grens controle posten (bcp) vannacht beschotentwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 22:00:11National Security Defense Council: the border on #Ukrainian side is fully controlled by the army, border guards http://t.co/lzMMrXb9Lw |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 08:44:33No losses on #ATO side last night. Checkpoints near Illinka, Marynivka, Dyakove, Dolzhansky bcp under fire, #Tymchuk FB |EMPR reageer retweet
Kolesnykivktwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 09:18:478 border guards injured as a result of shelling in Kolesnykivka, #Lugansk region https://t.co/A41wTfMVii |EMPR http://t.co/uZw8hZaopO reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 08:22:43Today attack on the City Council of #Artemovsk battalion Artemovsk no casualties http://t.co/K37ZlGrqs1 |EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:maxseddon twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 20:13:10Madcap MP Oleh Lyashko made the Slavyansk city council chair write a resignation statement "to the Ukrainian people." http://t.co/tK37Uq0oYF reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 07-07-2014 om 23:10:21This is why, I refuse extremist politicians to be part of the ATO in eastern #Ukraine!https://t.co/wUN600usmQ Oleh Lyashko play warlord... reageer retweet
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 11:18:5799% arms/ammo terrorists left in #Slavyank taken from #Ukrainian Army's depot in Crimea. GRAD, Т-64B from 18 and 205 brigades #Russia - NSDC reageer retweet
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 12:03:52Several explosions of railway in Yasynuvata, 30 min from #Donetsk yesterday 21.30. #Ukrainehttp://t.co/cpBbFjCRWi http://t.co/xp8DL62S1z reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 15:25:39#BreakingWhat?! Petro #Poroshenko is preparing a plan, which will be "an unpleasant surprise for the terrorists". - NSDC spox reageer retweet
quote:President Poroshenko approves Donbas liberation plan
KYIV, July 8 /Ukrinform/.
"The President of Ukraine, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Petro Poroshenko very thoroughly approved a plan that fully provides all phases of the liberation of our land from those people who are destabilizing the situation out there," Koval said.
He noted that there are also plans to liberate Donetsk and Luhansk.
quote:Medvedchuk won't be present at tripartite talks anymore
KYIV, July 8 /Ukrinform/.
Viktor Medvedchuk will no longer attend the negotiations of the so-called tripartite contact group to resolve the situation in eastern Ukraine, a source close to the negotiation process told Ukrinform on Tuesday.
According to the source, ex-president Leonid Kuchma will continue to participate in the negotiations.
A reminder that Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council (NSDC) Andriy Parubiy called Medvedchuk a criminal who in recent years has helped terrorists. Putin's godfather, in turn, demanded a meeting of the NSDC and that Parubiy refute his remarks.
quote:Avakov: Power supply restored in Sloviansk
KYIV, July 8 /Ukrinform/.
"Power supply of part of Sloviansk started at 15.00," he said, adding that water will appear there in three days after the resumption of power supply as it is due to the peculiarities of the process. Since we have a situation with mining, we are moving very carefully," Avakov said.
quote:Lithuania ratifies AA with Ukraine
KYIV, July 8 /Ukrinform/.
The Lithuanian parliament at its meeting on Tuesday ratified the association agreements between Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and the European Union.
The first EU country to ratify the Association Agreement between the EU and these three countries became Romania. The ratification took place on July 2. The same day, Moldova ratified its agreement with the EU.
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 13:51:14#Ukraine's Justice Ministry wants Communist Party, which MPs backed separatism in the East and #Crimea, banned. reageer retweet
quote:Kiev bereidt offensief Donetsk voor
dinsdag 8 jul 2014, 17:02 (Update: 08-07-14, 17:19)
In de aanloop naar een offensief tegen de rebellen in Donetsk heeft de Oekraense president Porosjenko een nieuwe stafchef benoemd die de militaire operatie in Oost-Oekrane moet cordineren.
Onlangs verving Porosjenko al de minister van Defensie door een daadkrachtige generaal die voor succes moet zorgen in de strijd tegen de opstandelingen.
Afgelopen weekend boekte het Oekraense regeringsleger een grote overwinning met de herovering van het rebellenbolwerk Slavjansk.
Campagne
Het leger bereidt zich nu voor op de herovering van de twee resterende grote steden waar de pro-Russische separatisten het al maandenlang voor het zeggen hebben, Donetsk en Loegansk.
Zeker voor de inname van Donetsk, een stad met 900.000 inwoners, zal een lange militaire campagne nodig zijn, denkt correspondent David Jan Godfroid. Waarschijnlijk zullen Oekraense militairen de stad omsingelen om de rebellen van de buitenwereld af te sluiten.
De burgemeester van Donetsk heeft president Porosjenko gevraagd geen luchtaanvallen of zwaar artillerievuur te gebruiken bij het offensief. "Het is onmogelijk om alle 900.000 inwoners te evacueren, waar moeten ze heen?", schrijft de burgemeester op zijn website.
Verdediging
Ook de honderden opstandelingen die Slavjansk zijn ontvlucht, houden zich op in Donetsk. De rebellen in die stad hebben ook een nieuwe bevelhebber aangewezen die de verdediging van Donetsk moet leiden.
Twee bruggen buiten de stad hebben ze al opgeblazen om de opmars van het leger te bemoeilijken.
De opstandelingen verwijten de Russische president Poetin dat hij hen niet te hulp schiet. Moskou staat onder zware druk vanuit het Westen om zich niet langer actief te bemoeien met de crisis in Oekrane, op straffe van verdergaande sancties.
Wapenstilstand
President Porosjenko heeft een nieuw eenzijdig bestand in Oost-Oekrane uitgesloten. Maar hij zou wel met een internationale contactgroep en de separatisten willen overleggen over een staakt-het-vuren. Dat zou moeten plaatsvinden in een stadje nabij Donetsk.
twitter:vsyo twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 17:50:26@MiddleEast_BRK A Ukrainain commander in Donetsk is arrested for transferring a large weapons arsenal to rebels http://t.co/tOVzoat46T reageer retweet
Ik vind wel dat ze een aantal karakteristieke beelden van Lenin moeten laten staan. Als de Taliban historische Boeddha beelden opblaast vinden we dat ook zonde.quote:Poroshenko Calls for UK and Italy to Join 'Normandy Four' Group
Commenting on President Poroshenko's discussions with the Italian foreign minister, Federica Mogherini, the Ukrainian president's press service said:
"The president praised the efforts of Germany and France, which allowed the formation of the so-called "Normandy four" [Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France] with the participation of Russia. Still, according to him, the international influence could be much stronger if Italy and Britain joined France and Germany."
quote:Two More Lenin Statues Fall Overnight
Two statues of Lenin were toppled last night in Ukraine.
One of the statues was torn down in the village of Chervona Sloboda in the northern Sumy region.
Interfax-Ukraine reports that the Ukrainian Communist Party has confirmed the removal of the statue and is pursuing criminal charges:
"Law enforcers have established that vandals damaged the monument by having it pulled down from the pedestal by a tractor and a tow," the statement said.
Another statue was torn down in the town of Bilozerka in the southern Kherson region. Tired of waiting for the authorities' decision, Ukrainian activists came to Bilozerka and dismantled the monument to Lenin by themselves. The police did not interfere with the will of the people.
quote:Russische kater na Krim-annexatie: economie op de rand van recessie
Gewone Russen op de Krim beginnen de economische gevolgen van de Russische annexatie langzamerhand te voelen. De Russische regering is van plan om miljarden uit te trekken om het schiereiland weer op de been te helpen. Ook het toerisme op de Krim kent een enorme terugval.
quote:Russische economie op rand van recessie
Internationale sancties die gelinkt zijn aan de annexatie (die door de meeste VN-lidstaten veroordeeld werd) en aan de steun die Rusland geeft aan de rebellen in het oosten van Oekrane, eisen ook hun tol van de Russische economie. Die staat op de rand van een recessie.
quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 22:15 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Worden de trollen ook niet meer door Rusland gesteund?
At a meeting on Monday with Poroshenko, Donetsk mayor Olexander Lukyanchenko urged him not use air strikes or heavy artillery to crush the rebels.quote:There is a plan ... under which we will be able to liberate these towns (Donetsk and Luhansk). We are not publicising details of this plan. It should be a nasty surprise for the terrorists.
Ukraine's richest man, coal-and-steel magnate Rinat Akhmetov, made a similar appeal on Monday.quote:We have a population in the town now of more than 900,000 people minus those who have left. It's impossible to evacuate them and there is nowhere for them to go. Their security must be guaranteed via negotiations at all levels.
Though Borodai said he had been in "consultations" in Russia, many rebels now reproach President Vladimir Putin's administration in Moscow, which is under threat from further Western sanctions, for giving them too little help.quote:Frankly speaking, we didn't believe them when we got phone calls saying they were leaving Slaviansk. I hope Strelkov did not come here in order to go away. There will not be one single commander here ... because if Mr Strelkov suddenly chooses to leave Donetsk, with the aim of preserving the lives of the people of Donetsk and the lives of the volunteers, then we will not follow his order.
Het is weer duidelijk dat de multinationale graaiers achter deze contra-revolutie zitten, want Lenin moet het ontgelden.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 21:51 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Zeker de Britten stellen zich harder op tegen Rusland.
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Ik vind wel dat ze een aantal karakteristieke beelden van Lenin moeten laten staan. Als de Taliban historische Boeddha beelden opblaast vinden we dat ook zonde.
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twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 00:26:02Video: July 7, #Luhansk, #RUS terrorists in the city centre shell w GRAD. #Ukraine https://t.co/YRWdk3gDMn reageer retweet
Zodat ze kunnen ontkennen dat de Grad systemen via de grens met Rusland het land binnen gekomen zijn.quote:Lugansk militia seize Grad multiple rocket launcher system
LUGANSK, July 07. /ITAR-TASS/.
People’s militia in the eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk have managed to seize one of the three Grad multiple rocket launcher systems used to pound the city on Monday, eyewitnesses say, noting that these are early reports.
The launcher “only slightly damaged”, was moved to a city neighbourhood and “militiamen are painting over Ukrainian military marking” an Itar-Tass source has said. There have been no comments from the people’s militia headquarters as of yet.
Justice Ministry launches process to ban Communist Party of Ukrainequote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 22:50 schreef Linkse_Boomknuffelaar het volgende:
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Het is weer duidelijk dat de multinationale graaiers achter deze contra-revolutie zitten, want Lenin moet het ontgelden.
Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko said at a briefing on Tuesday.quote:As a result of a large amount of evidence regarding illegal activities and illegal actions on the part of the Communist Party, I have made the decision, signed and sent it to the District Administrative Court regarding the liquidation of the Communist Party
Heb je niets geleerd van de Edward Snowden leaks? Dit is dezelfde vraag die ze Glenn Greenwald stelden: Waarom hou je je ook niet bezig met Ukraine? En met Wit-Rusland?quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:44 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Deelnemer, waarvandaan jouw interesse in Oekraine en afwezigheid in de Irak, Syrie en Israel-Palestijn topics?
Zoveel tijd heb ik niet. Ik wilde eens kijken in hoeverre je de ontwikkelingen kan volgen, gebruikmakend van de hetgeen thuis mbv het internet eenvoudig beschikbaar is. Oekraine is een redelijk goed afgebakend onderwerp, en het maakt deel uit van het Europese continent.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:44 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Deelnemer, waarvandaan jouw interesse in Oekraine en afwezigheid in de Irak, Syrie en Israel-Palestijn topics?
Om eerlijk te zijn niet. Tijd lang mezelf afgesloten van nieuws en politiek. Heb dus geen idee wat je hier zegtquote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:53 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Heb je niets geleerd van de Edward Snowden leaks? Dit is dezelfde vraag die ze Glenn Greenwald stelden: Waarom hou je je ook niet bezig met Ukraine? En met Wit-Rusland?
Duidelijk.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:54 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Zoveel tijd heb ik niet. Ik wilde eens kijken in hoeverre je de ontwikkelingen kan volgen, gebruikmakend van de hetgeen thuis mbv het internet eenvoudig beschikbaar is. Oekraine is een redelijk goed afgebakend onderwerp, en het maakt deel uit van het Europese continent.
NWS / Monitoring NSA in de VS en erbuiten, deel 8quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:59 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
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Om eerlijk te zijn niet. Tijd lang mezelf afgesloten van nieuws en politiek. Heb dus geen idee wat je hier zegt.
Welk geheel? Alle revoluties op de wereld? Dat is een hoop om te coveren, hoor.quote:Iig, viel op me op dat deelnemer (met zijn updates en meningen) jammer genoeg niet in de door mij genoemde topics te vinden is, terwijl ook die situaties niet onbelangrijk zijn in het geheel, toch?
Pilot Savchenko is in voorarrest gevangenis in Rusland - mediatwitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 20:33:44A female Ukrainian pilot taken prisoner by (pro) RU fighters has been handed over to #Russia and put in prison there http://t.co/ZLtJBWx0QR reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 17:25:141 of basements where (pro)RU kept hostages and prisoners in #Slavyansk, #Ukraine. #SimonOstrovsky may know this place http://t.co/B196ZOnjXm reageer retweet
twitter:45Zoroastro twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 20:55:15#Novorossiya #DNR announces death of journalist Oksana Shkoda http://t.co/8MEF5uH2fD http://t.co/uAG67EOq1d via @gbazov #Ukraine reageer retweet
Strelkov o.a. over de mogelijkheden om lokale mensen te werven voor de strijd.quote:Death correspondent Oksana Skoda in Slavyansk
The journalist Oksana Skoda died when departure militias from Slavyansk, said the militia Donetsk National Republic.
"According to the data received from Slavyansk Disappeared Journalist Oksana Skoda died ", - said in the video, posted by the channel Anna News."
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According to the source, they went out just before the entrance to the city of the Ukrainian army. However, their convoy was attacked by Ukrainian law-enforcers.
quote:Reuters
Igor Strelkov, a Russian from Moscow who is now the main rebel commander in the city, appeared to be disappointed at the number of volunteers coming forward for the rebels.
He told local rebel TV station that from July volunteers would be offered a monthly pay of 5,000-8,000 hryvnia ($430 to $690) to fight.
"Maybe this will help those people who are hesitating to find the strength in themselves and join the ranks," he said.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 23:15:24Tomorrow #ATO soldier gets first salary, 1600 UAH. It's 100. (No joke) reageer retweet
Nog wat briefings van Strelkov (en anderen).twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 20:42:52#Girkin aka #Strelok promised to pay its mercenaries 5000 - 8000 UAH per month. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
En de beschrijving bij de vid. luidt:twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 00:05:20Another video of the Russian invaders #Grad rocket attack vs. Ukrainian villages near #Luhansk on Monday. https://t.co/XhZtAA1urP #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:Ukrainian military firing rocket system BM-21 "Grad" on mine residents.
Het is triest.quote:
Hier interviewt men een 'deskundige'. Hij vraag zich af "whether Kiev has the resources to take on a city as large as Donetsk is". Dat is de vraag, want we weten al dat de nadelen voor de bevolking Kiev en de VS niet interesseert. Hij framed het zo, dat alle aandacht uitgaat naar 1 handelende partij (Kiev). Zo merkt hij niet op, dat de ellende over is als de rebellen hun wapens neerleggen en vertrekken. De interviewer vraagt vervolgens niet hoe je dan wel een stad zuivert van rebellen, zonder de bevolking kapot te maken (Grozny?). Rebellen die in het tweede deel van het filmpje de grens controlepost Dolzhansky aanvallen (aka vredelievende protestanten, zie 3 mnd geleden).quote:
twitter:paulgypteau twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 10:00:07A pro-Russian rebel from the Vostok Battalion manning a checkpoint in #Donetsk http://t.co/hCSQcWPl7N reageer retweet
Aanvulling op post 32.quote:
He is convinced that Ukrainian law enforcement agencies had chosen the tactics of destroying the infrastructure and industrial enterprises.quote:No defensive measures are taken yet. The city is currently prepared for defense at the level Sloviansk was ready two months ago. So, defensive reinforcements can stop armored personnel carriers and some kind of national guards and interior troops. The city can defend itself from armored columns of the enemy with major difficulties. But we are taking urgent measures so that Donetsk will be ready for battle.
.quote:Sloviansk and Kramatorsk suffered an attack on militia’s positions and even city quarters, plants and industrial enterprises. There were neither roadblocks nor even checkpoints, however, artillery guns were pounding them constantly and massively.
They wanted to destroy the infrastructure as strongly as possible. Leave people jobless, without residence and all other belongings. To resolve the task of forcing people to flee, leave them without means of living even after combat actions are over. I believe that incumbent Ukrainian top state and military officials will not stop to do the same with Donetsk
quote:We cannot fight at half-strength. We cannot hope that somehow with small forces and with small means someone will be able to protect the republic. Serious mobilization measures are needed.
Unfortunately, resources for this, primarily weapons and ammunition were not prepared. There are none of them now. However, we would be able to arm, outfit and train several thousand volunteers, just slightly in the least. For a brief period of time. I believe that 80 thousand people would be enough to stop Ukrainian army.
Everything is still bad in our rear. We will be fighting and will stop them, but it will be very difficult to win in defense without more active participation of local residents of Donbass [the main Ukrainian coalmining region].
Starting from this month militias will be paid quite serious sums in local conditions from five to eight thousand hryvnias (from 15 to 23.5 thousand rubles) and we plan to introduce this pay from July. May be this will help people who hesitate now, cannot decide to join the ranks of militia. So, we will be creating a contract army.
quote:No weapons brought across Russian-Ukrainian border during conflict
ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 9./ITAR-TASS/.
Since the beginning of the conflict, Russian border guards have detected no cases of transfer of arms, ammunition and military equipment across the border," a spokesman for the Border Guard Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, Leonid Smyk, told reporters on Wednesday.
quote:Foreign media reports shown damaged Russian border-crossing point to Ukraine
Foreign media representatives arrived in the Rostov Region in southern Russia on an initiative of the association of foreign correspondents accredited in Moscow to clarify the situation in regions bordering Ukraine.
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The example of Crimea - a region that did not recognize the authorities imposed during a coup in Ukraine in February and seceded from the country to accede to Russia in March - apparently inspired residents of Ukraine’s Southeast, who supported the country’s federalization. The residents started massive protests and formed militias.
The Donetsk and Luhansk regions bordering Russia held referendums on May 11, in which most voters supported independence from Ukraine. South Ossetia has recognized the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. No other countries have followed suit so far.
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quote:Rusland houdt Oekraense piloot vast
Oekrane beschuldigt Rusland van ontvoering van een Oekraense vrouwelijke helikopterpiloot. De vrouw, Nadia Savtsjenko, zit in een Russische gevangenis.
Ze is aangeklaagd voor betrokkenheid bij de dood van twee Russische verslaggevers. Oekrane eist haar vrijlating.
De vrouw was betrokken bij grondgevechten tegen pro-Russische separatisten bij de Oekraense stad Loehansk.
De Oekraense president Petro Porosjenko laat onderzoeken hoe de vrouw in Rusland is terechtgekomen. Porosjenko denkt dat ze is ontvoerd.
Het Russische persbureau ITAR-TASS meldt dat de vrouw als ''vluchteling'' de grens over is gekomen. Maar volgens het Oekraense ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken is ze waarschijnlijk gevangengenomen door de separatisten en de grens over gesmokkeld.
Wandaden
''Dit is nog meer bevestiging dat de terroristen hun plannen maken en wandaden plegen in nauwe samenwerking met de Russische inlichtingendiensten'', aldus de verklaring.
''Door openlijk inwoners van Oekrane te ontvoeren op het grondgebied van hun eigen land, schenden de Russische autoriteiten niet alleen alle internationale normen, maar gaan ze ook voorbij aan morele en fatsoensnormen.''
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 16:37:04Mykola #Bondar, the Ataman of #Ukraine Cossacks army called to #Yarema,SBU Head to stop policy against #Maidan |EMPR http://t.co/elUh4Jt63K reageer retweet
quote:Prosecutor general says force an option when restoring order in Kyiv center
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema has said he does not rule out the use of force if the residents of the tent camp on Independence Square and activists who remain in administrative buildings in the center of Kyiv offer armed resistance to law enforcement agencies during their eviction from the occupied territories.
Yarema said that according to latest reports, 19 government buildings remained captured in Kyiv.
quote:Klitschko against dispersal of Maidan by force
Kyiv Mayor and Head of Kyiv City State Administration Vitali Klitschko reiterated that he is against the dispersal of remaining Maidan activists by force.
"The dispersal of the Maidan using force would be an emergency measure. I'm not contemplating this and have never contemplated it," he told the journalists on Wednesday.
As earlier reported, Ukraine's Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema has said he does not rule out the use of force if the residents of the tent camp on Independence Square and activists who remain in administrative buildings in the center of Kyiv offer armed resistance to law enforcement agencies during their eviction from the occupied buildings.
quote:Separatists Using Tanks and Grad Rockets in Airport Attack
Over the course of the day, militants have been mounting a massive assault on Lugansk airport, which is under the control of Ukrainian security forces.
This was reported to Ukrainska Pravda by one of the soldiers at the airport.
"A massive attack is under way," he said.
"The afternoon brought shelling from two tanks and mortars. This was at 1 pm and 3 pm on Tuesday," said the source in the ATO to Ukrainska Pravda.
"There was a report that 2 BM-21 Grad launchers were on the move," said the source.
Meanwhile, Ukrainska Pravda's source at the airport, when asked if the militants were using Grad launchers against them as of 17:20 [14:20 GMT], replied:
"They're using everything. There is no air support."
As of 17:30, it was revealed that the Ukrainian air force had struck the militants.
quote:Ukraine’s army concentrate troops, hardware north of Luhansk
LUHANSK, July 09. /ITAR-TASS/.
The press service of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Luhansk (PRL) said on Wednesday:
"Ukraine’s army is pulling troops and hardware to the city of Luhansk,
About 150 armored vehicles, including armored personnel carriers, tanks and self-propelled mounts, as well as six Grad multiple rocket launchers, have been concentrated to the north of Luhansk, .
LPR army destroyed “one armored personnel carrier and three trucks supposedly delivering weapons” over the past 24 hours. The aggressor has lost about 50 men killed and wounded.
quote:Two militants' Grad rocket launchers destroyed by ATO forces
KYIV, July 9 /Ukrinform/.
Near the village of Dmytrivka on July 9 the Ukrainian military destroyed two Grad multiple rocket launchers, belonging to militants, spokesman for the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) Vladyslav Selezniov wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday.
"At 11.55 near the village of Dmytrivka the compounded battery of 2S3 [152.4 mm self-propelled artillery system “Akatsiya” - ed.] of a mechanized brigade made an aimed artillery strike on particular rebel positions. As a result of the effective action two BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers of the militants were destroyed," he said.
quote:Two killed, six wounded as Ukraine’s military shells east Ukraine’s Luhansk
LUHANSK, July 09./ITAR-TASS/.
At least two people were killed and six others wounded as Ukraine’s military shelled east Ukraine’s embattled Luhansk, the press office of the city’s council said on Wednesday. The Ukrainian military fired a total of 13 artillery shells, damaging buildings and infrastructure facilities in the cities, the press office said.
quote:and has never seriously challenged for the presidency.
ach communistische partij is toch een instrument van Rusland , ik snap het welquote:Op woensdag 9 juli 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukraine seeks to ban Communist Party
http://articles.economict(...)ukrainian-parliament
Erg democratisch.![]()
En dit is onzin:
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twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 15:53:18Reports say the Ukr. army had to shoot in the air as some people in #Mariupol were outraged by the passage of up to 100 Ukr army vehicles. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 15:55:11Some people cheered and waved the passing troops, some showed their fists, others even jumped on the streets and insulted the soldiers. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 23:26:21Another video from this evening shows endless Ukr. army convoy "30 km from #Donetsk city". https://t.co/u8vCQzBS7d #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:HarrietSalem twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 22:19:08As sun sets on #Donetsk #Ukraine forces advance. Multiple rocket launchers & T84 tanks now 15km south of city http://t.co/MNWs4iR9nZ reageer retweet
Mwah, alsof er in de periode Kuchma ooit chte verkiezingen zijn gehouden ...quote:Op woensdag 9 juli 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukraine seeks to ban Communist Party
http://articles.economict(...)ukrainian-parliament
Erg democratisch.![]()
En dit is onzin:
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quote:
Dat was de beruchte hinderlaagtwitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 11:08:36Nadiya Savchenko fought with the National Guard #Battalion_Aidar in #Luhansk and was taken #POW on June, 18th. http://t.co/cKPnNZuMrC reageer retweet
twitter:ReutersWorld twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 22:03:57#BREAKING: European Union governments add 11 new names to Ukraine sanctions list: diplomat reageer retweet
quote:EU Sanctions 9 Separatists And 2 Russians Over Ukraine Crisis
The European Union agreed to add 11 new names on Wednesday to the list of persons targeted with asset freezes and travel bans over the Ukraine crisis and the sanctions are likely to take effect on Saturday, an EU diplomat said on Wednesday.
"The list consists mainly of Ukrainian separatists; there may be one or two Russians there as well," the diplomat said after a meeting of EU ambassadors that addressed the issue.
Je hebt niets te zeggen over democratie, je houdt zelf van assad en poetin.quote:Op woensdag 9 juli 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukraine seeks to ban Communist Party
http://articles.economict(...)ukrainian-parliament
Erg democratisch.![]()
En dit is onzin:
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twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 23:10:20From all fr #Slaviansk fled terrorists only 40 was killed. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 11:49:20#BreakingFootage Ukrainian terrorist leader Pavel Gubarev greets new volunteers from #Moscow. via @NikolayHort http://t.co/NqXCZcoWT0 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 08:26:51#Breaking Rus militants switch to guerrilla tactics in #Donbas. Two mine, one mortar, one small arms attack kill 3 Ukr troops, injure 12. reageer retweet
Waarschuwing: de belangen zijn nu zo groot, dat info onbetrouwbaar is.twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 06:22:43Tymchuk: very tense situation in Donbas #Ukraine. (pro) RU forces are laying mines which killed 2 UA servicemen, wounded 11 & blew up 2 APCs reageer retweet
twitter:MorbidYoung twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 22:50:31Girkin gave #Donetsk mayor Lukyanchenko 24h 2 decide wich side he's joining. Or he's taking oath 2 DPR or moving 2 cellar @lennutrajektoor reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 02:21:24DNR press serv: there's an armed standoff between 2 (pro) RU groups: Battalion Vostok & Strelkov's men in E. #Ukraine http://t.co/CmV8hBbSK0 reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 09:15:13Rumour has it battalion "#Vostok" asked #Girkin aka #Strelok to F himself & left #Donetsk to #Makeevka. Who going Girkin to lead now? #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 08:07:43Reports of Russian paramilitaries planning to land dozens of boats along #Ukraine's coast on the Sea of Azov/Mariupol to launch attacks reageer retweet
quote:DMITRY TYMCHUK: Russian tactical groups near Chernihiv and Kharkiv
According to Information Resistance operational data, in the past 24 hours two tactical battalion groups were deployed to border districts of Russia near the border with Ukraine in addition to Russian troops already deployed there.
One of them is towards the direction of Chernihiv [a city 2 hours away from Kyiv by car], another is in a direction towards Kharkiv [close to Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts].
Earlier, according to our data, a convoy of military equipment arrived in Kursk Oblast (Russia). Some of the equipment bears the symbols of the Russian “peacekeeping forces.” The convoy was registered at a distance of about 25 km from the state border with Ukraine in the direction of Glukhiv (Sumy Oblast, Ukraine).
According to preliminary data, the convoy is formed from units of the 15th Separate Guards Motorized Brigade of the Central Military District [CMD] of the Armed Forces of Russia. This brigade was involved in a random inspection of the CMD troops in late June and rehearsed undertaking a peacekeeping operation.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 19:05:14Map of #ATO as of July 9. http://t.co/TA0gWsdM1O reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 09:23:13#TollUpdate 30 Ukrainian troops were killed and injured in Russian militant attacks during the last 24 hours. This figure includes 3 KIA. reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 09:17:49Terrorists fired at Dovzhansky BCP with mortars, used snipers. 5military injured, #Tymchuk https://t.co/yDjgwcnzA5 |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 09:47:03Heavy Ukrainian army equipment on a train near the northern Ukr city of #Sumy, close to Russia's #Kursk oblast. http://t.co/NEdQT8oD8R reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 10:34:43#BreakingNews The Ukrainian army seems trying to recapture #Severodonetsk in #Luhansk obl.Heavy fighting and fires.https://t.co/rCgeASc13Q reageer retweet
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 11:35:28Amid multiple railway explosions, SBU detained a group of terrorists going to blow up #Zaporizhya HPP. http://t.co/U3ZKGT6DNC reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 07:50:24#BreakingFootage Ukr. intelligence arrests another terrorist unit with Russian high tech bombs in #Zaporozhye obl.https://t.co/p5KuQxLUDX reageer retweet
Slaviansktwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 15:49:04#Poroshenko Signed a Law Criminalizing the Financing of Separatism http://t.co/aBndg8HRHq |EMPR #Ukraine #stopputin reageer retweet
Donetsktwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 00:24:52Ppl in #Sloviansk came to the central square w their phones b/c there is no electricity in many districts @Sloviansk http://t.co/EW9rpG61RZ reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 21:56:39Terrorists seized #Donetsk police surveillance center- technically advanced, collects data from city's web cams http://t.co/MrKjsODF8f |EMPR reageer retweet
Lugansktwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 02:27:50BREAKING #Terrorists seized #Donetsk Police Center of rapid response @Dbnmjr | EMPR #Ukraine #russiainvadesukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 21:38:31On July 9 to #Luhansk arrived 350 fresh #RUS terrorists & 12 trucks w munition. No surrender so far on sight. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 23:12:45#FIRSTFOOTAGE of Russian invaders' #BM21 #Grad system in #Luhansk city!https://t.co/rDRNgyhgY9Going for the airport http://t.co/0iUx1JY3zw reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 23:35:27After battle in #Luhansk airport, 3 KAMAZs arrived to the local morgue&many wounded #terrorists came to the hospital https://t.co/xdXfsNmmxX reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 03:47:46#Terrorists began shoot at #Luhansk airport from #Grad at 4am again | EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
Aanvulling op post 38.quote:
quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 11:00 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 10:34:43#BreakingNews The Ukrainian army seems trying to recapture #Severodonetsk in #Luhansk obl.Heavy fighting and fires.https://t.co/rCgeASc13Q reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 11:26:20#BreakingFootage Damage after shelling in Syeverodonets'k today.https://t.co/rnhEyCUI80https://t.co/E228Q0PAQc http://t.co/mBR9LM09Ng reageer retweet
Interfax-Ukraine reports that the ATO press centre has announced that 3 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and around 30 wounded in the last 24 hours.quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 11:00 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 09:23:13#TollUpdate 30 Ukrainian troops were killed and injured in Russian militant attacks during the last 24 hours. This figure includes 3 KIA. reageer retweet
Dmytro Tymchuk of Information Resistance went into more detail on several of the incidents on his Facebook page.quote:A Ural truck came under machinegun fire near the town of Muratove, Luhansk region, at around midnight, the report said. "The truck was ambushed. One serviceman was killed and three were injured," the press service reported.
It came under fire from an AGS-17 grenade launcher and automatic weapons at a roadblock in the Luhansk region after midnight. A militant was taken prisoner. The servicemen did not suffer any casualties.
The Ukrainian infantry engaged in a shootout with the militia near Siversk, Donetsk region, at about 1 a.m. Two mortar crews were destroyed. Two servicemen were wounded, and a tank was damaged, the press center said.
It confirmed that a BTR-80 infantry fighting vehicle was blown up near Chervona Zoria. Two servicemen died and six were wounded.
Mortar and automatic gunfire was opened on the town of Dolzhansky from the village of Biriukove on Wednesday night. "Seven servicemen were wounded. Two of them are in a serious condition. Four of the injured are border guards," the press center said.
quote:A BTR-80 of the ATO forces was blown up by a landmine near the village of Chervonaya Zarya (in the Donetsk region). 5 members of the security forces were injured.
In this same area a BMP-2 was blown up by another landmine. The ammunition inside the the combat vehicle was detonated. 2 servicemen were killed, 6 wounded.
In addition, terrorists carried out a mortar attack on the Dolzhansky border checkpoint. Militant snipers also attacked security forces. 5 servicemen were wounded.
A convoy of ATO forces was ambushed. 1 serviceman killed, 3 wounded.
Overnight, 5 ATO checkpoints at various points in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions were fired on. One security officer was injured.
The terrorists fired on ATO positions near the village of Metalist, close to Lugansk, with their BM-21 Grad MLRS. All of their rockets missed the positions. There were no casualties.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:28:49#BRK The Ukr health ministry says 1870 civilians were either killed or wounded in the war vs.Russian invaders so far.(479 killed, 1392 inj) reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:31:31#BreakingNews 100 police men from #Poltava in central #Ukraine are taking over public security in #Kramatorsk as local pol can't be trusted. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:32:11(Former) #Kramatorsk police men will be fired or relocated to central and western Ukrainian cities after individual investigations. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:45:33#BREAKINGNEWS Russian invaders in #Donetsk start major attack on the city's airport. Large troop movements: https://t.co/YwWSgC83x6 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:47:23#BreakingFootage Militant BMP convoy in #Donetsk city heads towards the airport. https://t.co/segrAsslQF #Ukraine http://t.co/3zIxKqnXtW reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:49:49#BREAKING Major Russian troop movement confirmed in #Donetsk city!!https://t.co/gYmlKjUhS8 http://t.co/kTsEZdJlOl reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 15:29:12#Donetsk, convoy of military vehicles with Ossetian flags is heading to airport https://t.co/J1Y6Jf45J4 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 15:04:00#Breaking The #Donetsk city council asks residents in the vicinity of the airport to not leave their flats and avoid the windows. #FIGHTING! reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 12:24:14In fear of encirclement terrorists left #Siversk. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:20:22#BREAKINGNEWS UKRAINIAN TROOPS LIBERATED #SEVERSK in #DONETSK OBLAST. Several BM-21 destroyed, Russian invaders killed or fleeing reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:21:40The town is of strategic impoartance as now #Lysychansk and #Severodonetsk are in hitting range. reageer retweet
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 12:44:37#Severodonetsk: Russian TV arrived in 5 min after 82mm mortar shelling, ppl send it away.RT @krishtopa @s84ua http://t.co/F9jfQDRmy6 reageer retweet
twitter:djp3tros twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:12:00Seversk is freed. Some terrorists better run home now or surrender, or they will be cut off. http://t.co/taRfUVsGQO reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 15:27:15#BREAKING It looks like the entire mine in #Rovensky, #Donetsk oblast, blew up for some reason!!https://t.co/gWpygILXl0 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 16:04:36Residents call it an "air strike" that destroyed "mine 71" in #Rovenky. https://t.co/oSDPQlnnjr reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 19:02:06#ATO July 10, #Rovenki, levelling #RUS terrorists' AA gun positions on top of quarry hills w serious air bombs. https://t.co/hfNJLx4rNb reageer retweet
quote:The Airstrikes Against Coal Mine No. 21 (Pokrovka)
Host: Understood. What happened to day at the Coal Mine No. 21 at Pokrovka?
Igor Strelkov: A Su-25 aircraft attacked and fired eight rockets at what they thought to be the positions of one of our detachments. But it missed.
Host: Are there wounded, killed?
Igor Strelkov: No, there were no casualties. I told you, it missed.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:26:22Meanwhile heavy fighting goes on in #Karlivka, the last militant-held town west of #Donetsk. If it's taken,Donetsk airport will be free too. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 15:40:06#BREAKINGNEWS THE UKRAINIAN ARMY TOOK #KARLIVKA AND IS NOW ONLY 20 KM FROM #DONETSK CITY reageer retweet
twitter:HarrietSalem twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 19:16:52#Ukraine troops mass 20km south of #Donetsk. Convoy of 100+ vehicles inc. tanks, artillery, & multi launch systems http://t.co/LzmVcZFE2R reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 15:46:19Donetsk Republic PM: We have to evacuate. #Russia should be ready to accept several hundreds of thousands of refugees http://t.co/h1cJ5R8Lv9 reageer retweet
quote:Separatist Leaders Prepare To Evacuate Parts of Donetsk
RIA Novosti, a Russian state-operated news agency, has posted a story that says separatist leaders are preparing to evacuate parts of Donetsk in advance of the predicted Ukrainian military assault on the city (translated by The Interpreter):
DPR authorities were preparing a partial evacuation of "some districts of Donetsk," DPR Prime Mnister Aleksandr Boroday said at a briefing.
"We were forced to do this. Russia must prepare for several hundred thousand refugees. They practically all want to go to the Russian Federation," said Boroday.
According to him, the evacuation will be voluntary and it can begin in a few days.
Earlier Kiev authorities said that they would encircle Donetsk.
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quote:Court upholds arrest of Ukraine's Savchenko charged over reporters deaths
VORONEZH, July 10. /ITAR-TASS/.
Ukrainian citizen Nadezhda Savchenko charged with complicity in murder of reporters of the Russian state television and radio broadcasting company (VGTRK) will remain under arrest until August 30.
The Voronezh regional court upheld the ruling to hold her in custody, rejecting her defense's appeal, according to the court's spokesperson Lada Petina.
The hearing at the regional court was held on Thursday behind closed doors with no journalists allowed. Savchenko was held in an investigation detention center in the city of Voronezh, with video communication established with the court.
quote:Ukraine woman pilot Savchenko in middle of media war
"Ukraine's GI Jane" and "national hero", or a "Killing machine in a skirt"?
There are two starkly opposing views of the female Ukrainian air force pilot current being held in Russia, in what has become another battle in the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian media war.
This latest information clash - played out mainly on social media as well as mainstream, pro-Kremlin media in Russia - typifies the way the conflict is being fought through opposing media narratives.
In the middle of it all is fashion designer-turned-air force helicopter pilot Nadiya Savchenko, 33.
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twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 14:26:54#Putin, #Merkel and #Hollande call for soonest ceasefire resumption and Contact Group meeting - says Kremlin. #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:German, French Leaders Call Putin Over Ukraine
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande have urged Russia to use its influence on rebels in eastern Ukraine so that a meeting on a possible cease-fire can take place as soon as possible.
Merkel's spokesman said she and Hollande called President Vladimir Putin on Thursday morning.
Steffen Seibert said the German and French leaders stressed that the "contact group" made up of representatives of Ukraine, Russia and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe should meet as soon as possible with representatives of pro-Russian rebels, and "Russia should use its means of influence" to ensure that.
Seibert said all three agreed that a cease-fire and avoiding further civilian victims should be a top priority.
quote:Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin:
We certainly will not hold any negotiations on the conditions for the existence of Crimea. Crimea was Ukrainian and Crimea will be Ukrainian ...
quote:OSCE Permanent Council won't meet over Ukraine Klimkin
Ukraine doesn't believe that an unscheduled meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council initiated by Russia to discuss the humanitarian situation in Ukraine is possible, Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin has said.
"[There will be] no meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council," the minister said at a briefing on Thursday.
He said that none of the OSCE members backed a resolution proposed by Russia, and they won't consider it.
On July 8, Russia called on the OSCE to conduct an unscheduled meeting of the Permanent Council due to what it said was the continued worsening of the humanitarian situation in Ukraine. Russia's draft resolution contains demands that Ukraine stop military actions and withdraw forces from the eastern part of the country, as well as to establish humanitarian corridors to the counter-terror operation area.
De ontruiming van Maidan aanstaande. Terwijl ze juist nu goed moeten toezien op de 'moves' van de regering.quote:PM Yatseniuk vows most extensive privatization in Ukraine
KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.
Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk promises to announce the most ambitious privatization in the history of Ukraine.
He said this at the All-Ukrainian Agricultural Forum in Kyiv on Thursday.
According to Yatseniuk, next week the government will consider a draft law on the list of objects that are not subject to privatization. "We will declare the most extensive privatization for all 20 years," he said.
The prime minister said that the Ukrspyrt company should be privatized, as well as other state-owned companies, "which are a subject of corruption rather than development of Ukraine."
We certainly will not hold any negotiations on the conditions for the existence of Crimea. Crimea was Ukrainian and Crimea will be Ukrainian ...
quote:Kyiv prosecutor demands protesters immediately vacate Maidan
KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.
"I asked the chief of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry's main office in Kyiv, Yuriy Moroz, and city mayor Vitali Klitschko to immediately take effective steps to unblock the captured government buildings and roads in the center of Kyiv. The personal safety and protection of human rights and freedoms should be ensured," Yuldashev said.
He said that the criminal situation on the Maidan was "extremely tense."
"Since the beginning of April this year, the Pechersky district department of police has registered four cases of fatal bodily injury caused to citizens, as well as more than ten armed attacks. Since February 20, more than 158 criminal proceedings have been registered in the center of Kyiv regarding violations of public order related to harming the life and health of citizens and the commission of grave and especially grave crimes," the prosecutor said.
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 17:44:23#Terrorists blew up a bridge near #Sloviansk, #Donetsk oblast @PeterShuklinov http://t.co/1YxUTgrLXe | EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:478 civilians killed, 1,392 injured in eastern Ukraine Health Ministry
As many as 478 civilians have been killed and 1,392 more injured in the area of the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian Health Ministry has reported.
"I can say that 1,392 people, including 104 women and 14 children, have been injured," Deputy Health Minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets said at a press conference in Kyiv on Thursday.
"478 were killed. They include 30 women and seven children. These are civilians," he added.
According to the ministry, 279 people are undergoing treatment in medical institutions.
Luchtaanvallentwitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 18:41:23In #Krasnoarmiesk region btln "#Vostok" has taken position to prevent reinforcements fr #Karlivka sent to #Donetsk airport by #ATO. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 18:06:34The Ukrainian air force says it killed more than 50 militants during air raids in #Izvarino, Luhansk oblast and #Karlivka, Donetsk oblast. reageer retweet
Mijnentwitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 18:35:56In #Donetsk #ATO air force is doing new air raids. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 18:21:39#BreakingReport 4 Ukr soldiers were killed in another guerilla (mine) attack by Rus militants on an Ukr BMP near the Dolzhansky border point. reageer retweet
quote:Ukraine boosts gas stocks at underground storage facilities by 115 mln cubic meters in first week of July
Ukraine boosts gas stocks at underground storage facilities by 115 mln cubic meters in first week of July
According to tentative data of public joint-stock company Ukrtransgaz, the operator of the Ukrainian gas transport system, while as of July 1 there were 14.371 billion cubic meters of natural gas at underground storage facilities, as of July 8, 2014 stocks had grown by 0.8%, to 14.486 billion cubic meters.
As reported, Ukraine even after the stoppage of natural gas supplies by Russia continued boosting gas stocks at its underground storage facilities, boosting them by 334.6 million cubic meters.
quote:Ukraine targets 30% cut in gas consumption - Energy Ministry
Ukraine has set the goal of reducing natural gas consumption 30%, Energy and Coal Industry Minister Yuriy Prodan told Interfax-Ukraine.
"We will now enact measures to reduce consumption, depending on how much we receive [in imports from the EU]. The goal is to reduce consumption 30%," he said.
Ukraine plans to import as much gas as it can from the EU, Prodan said.
"The capacity [for gas imports from the EU] totals about 15 billion cubic meters a year. Taking a half year, that is 7.5 billion cubic meters. That includes the volumes that will pass through Slovakia from September 1," he said.
Naftogaz Ukrainy, acting on instructions from Prodan, has restricted gas supplies to two combined heat and power plants in Kyiv and two in Kharkiv.
Bandera heeft 3 jaar in een Nazi cel gevangen gezeten.quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 21:24 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
MPs in Western Ukrainian Lvov demand Poroshenko reinstate Nazi collaborators as national heroes
http://rt.com/news/171888-ukraine-nazi-bandera-hero/
Hij wou echter wel samen werken:quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 21:59 schreef ATan het volgende:
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Bandera heeft 3 jaar in een Nazi cel gevangen gezeten.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:43:02Ukrainian troops build up positions near #Donetsk city. https://t.co/MJYyu18M3q Long siege more likely than quick storm, I would say. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:48:55#BreakingFootage Russian militants build a real #frontline near #Donetsk https://t.co/jKiAh2VHfK #Ukraine http://t.co/p3et4O5x9D reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:05:58#BREAKINGVIDEO #Battalion_Vostok attacks #Donetsk airport with all kinds of #Russian-sponsored weapons. https://t.co/c4BQFsHZaD #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:41:26#BreakingFootage Heavy fighting at #Donetsk #airport tonight. https://t.co/KSzxyJ3oLo Video description says, airport is "stormed". reageer retweet
Oekraine voert momenteel een onafhankelijksoorlog tegen Rusland en herkent in Bandera een voorloper. Althans, zo zou je het kunnen zien, en er zijn er blijkbaar Oekrainers die dat zo zien.quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 22:01 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Hij wou echter wel samen werken:
Members of Bandera's Ukrainian nationalist movement thought that they had found a new powerful ally in Nazi Germany to aid them in their struggle against the Soviet Union.
En het belangrijkste: hij was een antisemiet, walgelijk dus om hem een nationale held te willen maken.
twitter:RutheniaRus twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 11:23:37#Lugansk, Terrorists kidnapped CEO City Football Federation and son RT @norestfor reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 13:04:40#BreakingNews Fighting started north of #Luhansk. https://t.co/6zMYGlfVqm Sirens in the city yelling, smoke nearby. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:52:42#BreakingFootage Heavy Ukrainian artillery barrage at Russian militant positions north of #Luhansk. https://t.co/jh2gzULtS3 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:18:36#BreakingNews Russian invaders blew up 2 more railway bridges tonight. Both leading from Ukr-reseized #Seversk into #Donetsk oblast. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:58:43#BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian army recaptured #Chervonopartyzansk border crossing in #Luhansk oblast tonight. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:59:27The crossing lies on the Ukrainian side of #Gukovo town in #Russia. reageer retweet
twitter:NorthResistance twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 19:11:13Foreign Ministry expressed “its strong protest” over #Ukraine shelling of #Russia’s #Gukovo boarder checkpoint.Pls stop talk n start act! reageer retweet
twitter:ChristopherJM twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:16:04#Strelkov signed for execution of 3 men by firing squad - 1 for looting, 2 for kidnapping - in #Sloviansk http://t.co/sxmjNMT5Hk @mashable reageer retweet
twitter:maxseddon twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:00:02Strelkov's order to execute Alexei Pichko for stealing two shirts and one pair of pants: http://t.co/Yw1TSDYpaL http://t.co/N1c9x8fVSC reageer retweet
quote:Documents Show Rebel Justice In East Ukraine Was Bureaucratic, Swift, And Merciless
The militia executed local residents for petty crimes under a decree dating from World War II. Transcripts were left behind by rebels.
SLOVYANSK, Ukraine — The men with guns came for Alexei Pichko in mid-afternoon, before the usual evening barrage of shells flew over this decrepit suburb of dilapidated shacks and half-burnt houses. When his mother went to look for him at the rebel headquarters in the security services building, they told her he was under arrest, but alive and well.
One month later, the men who took him have fled their stronghold in this sleepy east Ukrainian town, unable to sustain the Ukrainian army’s barrage of mortar fire, and retreated to Donetsk, the provincial capital. The building where he was held captive is now half-destroyed, lined with mulch and detritus. The only evidence of what has happened to him is on files found lying on the floor, coated in a thick film of dust, signed and stamped by the separatists’ feared commander.
“By order of the military-field tribunal of the [Donetsk People’s Republic] militia on 17.06.2014,” it reads, “I hereby proclaim that Aleksey Borisovich Pichko, resident of the city of Slovyansk, is sentenced for looting to an exceptional measure of punishment — execution by firing squad — on the basis of the Decree of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR “on martial law” from June 22nd, 1941.”
“The sentence has been carried out.”
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Meestal een symbolische bedrag van een paar miljoen (Duitsland doneerde 3,5 miljoen voor Slaviansk). TV en radio uitzendingen zijn belangrijk voor de info voorziening / propaganda. De VS ondersteunt ook de voortzetting van ATO (itt de EU).quote:Klimkin: Last talks on east Ukraine held without Medvedchuk
KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.
The last trilateral meeting of the contact group involving Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE on the settlement of the conflict in the Donbas has been held without Ukrainian Choice movement leader Viktor Medvedchuk.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin said at a briefing in Kyiv on Thursday.
"[Medvedchuk] did not participate in the latest round of talks, however, he helped with the contacts," the Ukrainska Pravda online newspaper quoted Klimkin as saying.
The minister recalled that Medvedchuk does not represent Ukraine in the negotiations, but did not rule out his participation and "the participation of other mediators" in future meetings.
quote:US ready to finance restoration of Donbas
KYIV, July 11 /Ukrinform/.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, during a phone conversation with U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden, had discussed international efforts on the implementation of his peace plan in the Donbas and the restoration of infrastructure in the areas that were freed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces from terrorists, the presidential press service has reported.
Poroshenko noted that today the Ukrainian authorities pay great attention to the restoration of proper living conditions in the liberated towns, in particular, on ensuring water and electricity supply, television and radio broadcasting, which were destroyed or significantly damaged by militants.
He noted that the revival of civilian life in the Donbas is a priority for Ukraine, given what residents had to endure during terrorist invasion on Ukrainian settlements.
Biden, in turn, expressed his admiration for the self-restraint and actions of Ukraine and reiterated continued support from the United States. Biden said that the United States was ready to consider financing projects to rebuild infrastructure in the Donbas, following the example of the German initiative for residents of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.
Biden also said that the United States stands ready to make efforts to expand support for Ukraine from international financial institutions.
Ach, wij ook niet.quote:Sloviansk residents still in full information isolation - Lutkovska
KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.
Sloviansk residents remain in information isolation and do not know what is really happening in the country, Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Valeria Lutkovska told a press briefing on Thursday.
"There is another problem for Sloviansk residents - they are in complete information vacuum. In fact, the square in front of the city council building is the only place where they can find some information," Lutkovska said.
The ombudsperson noted that the majority of citizens do not even know that during the time when they were ruled by separatists laws have been passed in the state and other steps have been taken for their protection and liberation. She also noted that now the locals due to absence of electricity and as a result - access to TV and radio - do not understand what is happening in Donbas.
Politieke spin omgeeft het hele conflict.quote:Ukraine's Poroshenko tells Biden that ceasefire offers rebuffed
(Reuters) - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko told U.S. Vice President Joe Biden that Russia and Ukrainian separatists had refused multiple proposals by Kiev for venues to negotiate a ceasefire, the White House said on Thursday.
The two discussed the situation in eastern Ukraine in a phone call.
"The Vice President told President Poroshenko that the United States was discussing with its partners in the international community the need to hold Russia accountable for its continued support for the separatists," the White House said.
Natalia Poklonskaya begrijpt niet dat het oorlog is in Oekraine. Twee partijen claimen jurisdictie over hetzelfde gebied. Als het een binnenlands conflict is heeft Kiev het recht de orde te herstellen. Als het een internationaal conflict is, kan alleen internationaal recht boven de partijen staan. En de annexatie van de Krim is in strijd met het internationaal recht.quote:Crimeas prosecutor says Kiev kills its people instead of protecting
SIMFEROPOL, July 10. /ITAR-TASS/.
Laws do not work in Ukraine and the authorities are killing people instead of protecting them, Crimeas Prosecutor Natalia Poklonskaya said on Thursday while visiting a refugee camp for Ukrainians in the village of Opushki near Crimeas capital Simferopol.
Asked about a possibility of forced migrants to assert their rights in Ukraine, the prosecutor replied with emotion: Look what is going on in Ukraine! What is the law there and who are the authorities protecting? A bunch of people who gathered together and dictate their conditions to the others and God knows what they are about?
Which law regulates murder of ordinary citizens? the CrimeaInform quoted Poklonskaya as saying. Who has given them a right to murder? The law does not work in Ukraine, there is none there.
The people who came here and are now enjoying protection of Russian law and Russia testify to this fact, she said.
quote:Operations are in full swing, Ukrainian military forces are digging trenches quickly. If separate firing points slightly deepened in the ground and imbedded with bags of sand were located at these places earlier, now these are full-scale trenches stretching in long lines at 100-200 metres one after another. No less than four lines of trenches are seen from Chongar deeply in Ukrainian territory. On their positions around five veiled infantry armoured vehicles, armoured assault vehicles and no less than two tanks T-64 are noticed. This is seen on a narrow neck of land running deep from checkpoint Chongar in the direction of railway stations Sivash and Novoalekseevka. Meanwhile, the very railway station Sivash was turned in a stronghold, its building was reinforced with bags of sand, the adjacent territory is also prepared for defense.
Three checkpoints in Russia's Rostov region stop operating amid shooting from Ukrainequote:Op vrijdag 11 juli 2014 00:50 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:58:43#BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian army recaptured #Chervonopartyzansk border crossing in #Luhansk oblast tonight. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:59:27The crossing lies on the Ukrainian side of #Gukovo town in #Russia. reageer retweet
Malayev said.quote:The checkpoints Donetsk, Gukovo and Novoshakhtinsk are not functioning since yesterday. The customs staff was evacuated from all the three checkpoints, and the border guard department officers are staying there.
If anybody decides to cross the border in this situation, the border guards will let people pass.
Four miners killed, 16 injured after artillery shell hits bus in Chervonopartyzansk - DTEKquote:A bus trafficking miners of Donbass fuel and energy companys Chervonopartizanskaya coalmine to their workplace came under mortar and artillery gun fire at around 5.40pm local time (6.40pm Moscow time) on Thursday, July 10. The companys personnel offers condolences to families of those killed.
He also said that DTEK had decided to suspend the operation of four mines in the Luhansk region for safety to life and health of employees. Tymchenko noted that about 4,500 people worked at these mines.quote:Four have been killed, 16 wounded, and two seriously injured minersare in intensive care.
quote:Ukrainian govt forces retake Izvaryne border checkpoint, Kyiv says
Ukrainian troops have seized control over the border checkpoint in Izvaryne, Luhansk region, the press center of the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) has reported.
The troops completed the task of restoring and unblocking the Ukrainian border and taking the border checkpoints in Chervonopartyzansk and Izvaryne, the ATO press center reported on Friday.
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:45:21#Russian border guard engineering units set up barbered wire along the border near Graniv, #Kharkiv region http://t.co/f9o2SM2xeF |EMPR reageer retweet
Lukashenko heeft een puntquote:Speech by Foreign Minister Carl Bildt at the Atlantic Council
But let’s be clear about one thing: this is a crisis initiated and driven by Russia in every single respect.
By starting its large-scale trade and economic pressure on Ukraine.
By more or less forcing then President Yanukovych to turn around and refuse to sign the EU agreement that he had negotiated and endorsed.
By then encouraging him to use violence to suppress the large Maidan demonstrations that erupted as a result.
By invading, occupying and annexing Crimea as President Yanukovych, for reasons that are still not entirely clear, abandoned the February 21 agreement, his presidency and his country.
By having the Federation Council approve authorisation for invading all of Ukraine, and then massing forces along its borders.
By launching a massive information and propaganda war not only against Ukraine’s European aspirations, but also to fuel fears and encourage divisions inside the country.
And by encouraging and supporting an armed insurrection to fracture the country, obviously aiming at the setting up of a Novorossiya semi-state in its eastern and southern parts.
This was and is a destabilising strategy of an order we have not seen in our part of the world for a long time.
The consequences of this succeeding would be profound. Certainly for Ukraine, but obviously well beyond that.
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Russia must understand that we will never recognise the annexation of Crimea, and that it will burden our relationship for as long as it lasts.
And Russia must accept that Ukraine, like the other countries of the Eastern Partnership, truly has the right to continue on its democratic path and to choose its own European direction.
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quote:Lukashenko blames Ukrainian crisis on crooked politicians
Minsk/Vitebsk - Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has blamed the Ukrainian crisis on crooked politicians who disrupted the nation's unity.
precies, en dan kapot maken.quote:
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 00:10:42#Mykolayvka, #Donetsk oblast...after #terrorists - photo report @HromadskeTVО http://t.co/PY6RMpZxSx http://t.co/2PtyR4zBG8 | EMPR #Ukraine reageer retweet
Bloedbad onder militairen Oekranetwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:18:54BREAKING 30 #Ukrainian soldiers killed&more than 100wounded in #Zelenopillya, #Luhansk oblast -to be confirmed https://t.co/ohOphmCFdv (2/2) reageer retweet
twitter:djp3tros twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:41:16Drama near Zelenopole: entire Ukrainian convoy destroyed? 50 killed 100 wounded? http://t.co/XlOTiGgYP3 http://t.co/DprmIDMbBG reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:46:14It's true&cnfrmd by eyewitness. 1st battalion 79th regiment is basically gone. 50 KIA, 150WIA https://t.co/9ZkbknLkKq http://t.co/VdO1i7cvsg reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:24:391st brigade 79th regiment camp was scouted by UAVs & shelled after, which all came fr #RUS side. This is 1st incident DIRECTLY by #RUS army. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:39:0224th brigade is right now under GRAD shelling. 30 remained alive, 50 KIA, over 100 WIA.No reinforcement.Last tank hit http://t.co/KqWbvxeGVf reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:50:52Remains of 1st brigade 79th regiment. #Ukraine #ATO http://t.co/aoZNMunHXw reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:54:27Video of road bridge explosion between #Horlyvka & #Dzerzhynsk, #Donetsk oblast http://t.co/qbynIcL2kq |EMPR #Ukraine http://t.co/HJOwaAW2eE reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 09:37:51#Donetsk airport, #Dovzhansky BCP under terrorists' mortar attack at night. No losses on #ATO side, Tymchuk https://t.co/d4ixBMpfkk |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 09:18:30Terrorists send letters with threats to 15 #Ukrainian journalists, Dmytro #Tymchuk listed first http://t.co/OFPsixZP3g |EMPR reageer retweet
quote:Op vrijdag 11 juli 2014 14:33 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
ja ja... seperatisten...
seperatisten my ass...
gewoon Russen...
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:36:54Just in: Update came regarding GRAD shelling. It might have come as from #RUS, also as inside from #Luhansk region. Developing. #Ukraine. reageer retweet
Zolang het gaat om dit soort spullen is het kleinschalige Russische ondersteuning. Net voldoende om de rebellen Oost-Oekraine te laten destabiliseren. Het wordt volgens mij wel geleid door russen, zoals Igor Strelkov.twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:50:52Right now the GRAD incident is investigated as possible GRAD shelling inside #Luhansk region w reconnaissance done w long range UAV drone. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:26:27It's confirmed, #RUS tanks T-72s has been spotted in #Luhansk. 2 by #ATO scouts. By night will be 5 in total. #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:'Tientallen Oekraense militairen gedood door separatisten'
Mogelijk dertig Oekraense militairen en grenswachten zijn vrijdag omgekomen door een raketaanval van pro-Russische separatisten in het oosten van Oekrane.
Dat heeft een adviseur van minister Arsen Avakov van Binnenlandse Zaken vrijdag laten weten.
De aanval had rond 5.00 uur in de ochtend (plaatselijke tijd) plaats bij de grensovergang in Zelenopillja in de regio Loehansk.
De adviseur sloot niet uit dat er nog meer slachtoffers zijn gevallen, omdat de separatisten, door hem aangeduid als ''bloeddorstig uitschot'', veel raketten hebben afgevuurd en er veel vernielingen zijn aangericht.
Als het aantal doden inderdaad zo hoog is, is het de zwaarste aanval van de separatisten op regeringsmilitairen sinds president Petro Porosjenko begin vorige week een eenzijdig staakt-het-vuren opzegde.
Separatisten
Eerder op vrijdag maakte de Oekraense legerleiding bekend dat bij een luchtaanval bij de Oekranse grensplaats Izvarino zeker vijftig pro-Russische separatisten zijn gedood.
De luchtaanval was gericht op een ''concentratie separatisten vlak bij Izvarino'', dat aan de grens met Rusland ligt.
Offensief
De Oekraense troepen zijn ten westen van Donetsk, in Oost-Oekrane, begonnen aan een grote aanval om de separatisten tot overgave te dwingen.
In april startte het regering van Oekrane een grootschalige 'anti-terroristische operatie' in het oosten van het land om de pro-Russische separatisten te verdrijven. Bij gevechten tussen de rebellen en de militairen zijn al honderden mensen, overwegend militanten, omgekomen.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:57:42Per #Tymchuk report the shelling came fr close location of #RUS border. So it's unclear was it #RUS terrorists or #RUS regular army. reageer retweet
Defense Minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov earlier said that the republic was placing its army on a contractual basis. He said that militia “would get money allowance ranging from 5,000 to 8,000 hryvnias (about $500-800).”quote:We are not holding a forced mobilization. We are counting on volunteers Over the past week, over a thousand volunteers have enlisted in our army.
RIA Novostiquote:At least 30 servicemen killed in Grad shelling in Donetsk region - advisor to interior minister
About 30 servicemen are thought to have been killed in a shelling by militants using Grad multiple rocket launchers of the units of the Ukrainian anti-terrorist operation (ATO) forces near the village of Zelenopillia, Sverdlovsk district, Donetsk region, early on July 11, an advisor to the Ukrainian interior minister, Zorian Shkiriak, has said.
"According to publicly available information, up to 30 [that have been killed]. There might be more victims, because these bloody bastards again meanly shelled [the positions of the ATO forces] with Grad systems, and the destruction there is significant," he said at a briefing in Kyiv on Friday.
Shkiriak said that the response of Ukrainian law enforcers would be rapid and "any questions after another bloody terrorist attack regarding our attitude to those who took up arms against the Ukrainian people, Armed Forces and National Guard soldiers will be clear and understandable."
"They will be punished, either eliminated or captured, and they will answer according to the laws of Ukraine," he said.
quote:30 Ukrainian Soldiers Killed In Rocket Attack Near Russian Border
Militia shelled a column of Ukrainian forces on Friday from a GRAD emplacement on the outskirts of the village of Zelenopolye in Lugansk Region, and about 30 [Ukrainian] soldiers may have been killed, RIA Novosti was told by the DPR headquarters; the Ukrainian Interior Ministry has confirmed these numbers.
"According to our information, the 24th Motorized Brigade of Lviv fell under fire. The exact number of those who have been killed is not known; the count may be two to three dozen. The column was destroyed," a representative of the militia's h
eadquarters told RIA Novosti.
Zoryan Shkiryak, advisor to the head of the Interior Ministry, confirmed that 30 troops had died, according to a report from the TV channel 112 Ukraina. "For now, we have just this information -- 30 killed. I concede that there will be more mortalities in the end," he said.
En de introductie van de nieuwe Vice-Premier van de DPR (ook een Rus).quote:Igor Strelkov: Military Briefing
Speaking briefly, the enemy is moving on to a systematic siege of Donetsk and of the entire Donetsk-Makeevka urban agglomeration. Attempting to close the encirclement on all sides.
To the north, the enemy is advancing in the direction of Lisichansk. Yesterday, our forces left the city of Seversk in response to the direct danger of being encircled. The detachments of the Militia have moved on to positions atop the strategic heights between Seversk and Lisichansk. Our advance positions in this region are spread along the Popasnoye-Gorlovka-Dzerzhinsk line, terminating in Donetsk.
This morning, obstinate fighting resumed in the Karlovka area. The enemy attempted to attack using tank and infantry units. The attack was repelled. Two tanks were destroyed. The infantry attack was repelled. Thereafter, and until present, an artillery battle between the two sides has been continuing in the area. Reinforcements, which should repel the enemy’s attack, have been sent to the location. Unfortunately, we also have sustained losses there.
The front lines continue from Karlovka along the western outskirts, along the suburban settlements of Donetsk. From there, along the southern outskirts of Donetsk, all the way to Ilovais’k. From there, along the line to Shakhtars’k-Torez-Snezhnoye.
The major hostilities on the southern front have concentrated in the areas of the Saur Mogila [strategic height] and the villages of Dmitrovka and Stepanovka, where uninterrupted positional battles and exchanges of artillery strikes continue.
Today, at 14:00, our special purpose [spetsnaz] unit, supported with artillery, attacked the enemy positions in the area of the [Donetsk] airport. Our units were not tasked with taking control of the airport. Nevertheless, our side inflicted serious manpower losses on the enemy. There were no losses on our part.
Overall, the situation remains tense. However, the Militia is prepared to defend Donetsk and the entire Donetsk urban agglomeration firmly and steadfastly. We expect to be able to retain key positions around the city and will not allow the enemy inside city or permit Donetsk to be encircled from the East or the Northeast.
In this regard, we are absolutely certain that assistance will be furnished by the units of Alexander Mozogovoi, who is formally a part of the LPR [Lugansk People’s Republic] army, but has been acting in operational subordination to our headquarters. Moreover, we [ourselves] have the necessary reserves to parry the enemy’s strikes. We were able to free up these reserves by withdrawing from Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka and Konstantinovka. Unfortunately, there was no other manner in which we could have freed up these resources.
I am prepared to answer your question to the extent I am able and to the extent I am permitted to do so by the demands of military secrecy.
quote:Vladimir Atjunfeev, New Vice-Premier of DPR
Ladies and gentlemen, briefly about myself. My name is Vladimir Yuryevich, born in 1951. I am Russian and a citizen of the Russian Federation.
My primary education is in law. As well, I am a graduate of the Academy of Government Administration of the President of the Russian Federation, in the National Security Department. I hold a PhD in Political Science and teach as a professor at the Academy of Military Science.
My entire adult life and service I have devoted to fighting national-fascism in Latvia, in Moldova, and, now, in Ukraine (as well as in Georgia). I have been granted state awards by the Soviet Union, Transnistria, Russia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia. I say this not to boast, but simply to identify the functional points of my competency and the basis of my influence.
I was invited by the leadership of the Donetsk People’s Republic to facilitate the creation of law-enforcement structures, because the national-fascists of Ukraine, which have unleashed, under the leadership of the Kiev government, a war against the people of the South-East, have, in perpetrating these hostilities, substantially destabilized and undermined the functionality of these structures.
twitter:Kateryna_Kruk twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:46:03citizenship of "leaders"of #Donetsk PPl's rep.:Strelkov(russia),Boroday(russia),Antyufeyev(transdnistria).No locals,no Ukrainians. reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 16:05:48Tymchuk & ATO press service: #Ukraine ATO loses for last 24 hours: 23 killed (19 soldiers, 4 border guards), 93 received various injuries. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 16:58:18Just in: #ATO air force doing raids on forests nearby the airfield in #Luhansk to get rid of #RUS terrorists there. #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:The population of Donbass requires truthful information about Ukraine. We cannot allow the distortion of facts in informing people about the course of events in Lugansk and Donetsk regions.
quote:Oekraense president zweert honderden rebellen te doden
Voor iedere Oekraense militair die om het leven komt zullen tientallen of zelfs honderden rebellen worden gedood. Dat heeft de Oekraense president Petro Porosjenko vrijdag gezegd.
Het staatshoofd sprak nadat negentien regeringsmilitairen bij een raketbeschieting van pro-Russische separatisten waren omgekomen.
"Niet een terrorist zal zijn verantwoordelijkheid ontlopen", aldus een strijdbare Porosjenko. "Iedereen zal zijn verdiende loon krijgen." De president zei dat er meer gedaan moet worden om troepen uit te rusten met beschermende kleding.
Doelwit van de beschieting was een legerpost in de oostelijke regio Loehansk. Volgens de autoriteiten gebruikten de separatisten Russische Grad-raketten, een zwaar soort artilleriegeschut dat in salvo's vanaf speciale trucks wordt afgevuurd. Naast de doden raakten ook 93 militairen gewond.
De projectielen werden afgeschoten bij een operatie van de krijgsmacht om zijn controle over de grens met Rusland te herstellen. Rebellen smokkelen wapens en strijders over de grens.
twitter:ChristopherJM twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 17:23:21Explosion reportedly rips through #Donetsk mall. One reported injured, says @HromadskeTV http://t.co/LLYOKHxc9x http://t.co/G1lmbGrCni reageer retweet
Gisterenquote:
Vandaag vast met Netanyahu overlegt.quote:Merkel asks Ukraine to keep sense of proportion against separatists
(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in a phone call late on Thursday to keep a sense of proportion in his actions against separatists and to protect civilians, a German government spokesman said on Friday.
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quote:Op donderdag 10 juli 2014 21:20 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
as of July 1 there were 14.371 billion cubic meters of natural gas at underground storage facilities
The capacity [for gas imports from the EU] totals about 15 billion cubic meters a year. Taking a half year, that is 7.5 billion cubic meters.
quote:http://www.kyivpost.com/c(...)-302-bcm-355704.html
The Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers is expecting natural gas consumption in the period from August 2014 to March 2015 to reach 30.23 billion cubic meters (bcm).
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 21:02:32Map of #ATO as of July 11. http://t.co/KWSLCEqJvy reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 17:42:54On July 11 #ATO column @ Aleksandrovka was attacked. 1 KIA 2 WIA. #Donetsk #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 20:42:22Cmndr of btln "#Donbas" after #Bezler war hogs attacked CP in Artemevsk we retaliated. 7 killed, 11 wounded.We 2 WIA http://t.co/RqtQljvUZd reageer retweet
quote:Ukrainian air forces destroy separatists' base near Krasnodon
Ukrainian aviation has destroyed a base of illegal armed formations set up in a mine near Krasnodon in Luhansk region, the press center of the anti-terrorist operation operating in Kyiv said.
quote:Dzerzhynsk under heavy artillery fire
The city of Dzerzhynsk is under heavy artillery fire, a statement posted on the temporary Web site of Donetsk Regional State Administration said.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 23:40:55Video: July 11, #Luhansk, #ATO forces in airfield & terrorists exchange shells. #Ukraine https://t.co/KARN8pwNRk reageer retweet
quote:The first study on Ukrainian Euromaidan (2013-2014) and Neonazi gangs participating in that coup d'etat is out now in English. This work describes how Ukrainian nationalist groups have developed since 1991 to present day, with the focus on the history of the parliamentary "Svoboda" (Freedom) party (Social-National Party of Ukraine until 2004) and the non-parliamentary "Right Sector", and analyses the ideologies, psychologies and methods of political action of these structures. For additional information please write to: sbyshok@ gmail.com
Een goed stuk.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 10:00 schreef Shokirbek85 het volgende:
Het kan nu gedownload worden voor de geinteresseerden in het conflict.
Dat is heel duidelijk. Het is ouderwetse stemmingmakerij die niet meer werkt. Blijkbaar heeft de leiding van ATO dat niet door.twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 07:02:24Tymchuk: latest UA casualties in #Luhansk #Ukraine as a result of Grad rocket/mortar fire & land mines include 3 servicemen KIA & 23 WIA reageer retweet
Dit bedoel ik:twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 07:32:22Military analyst Tymchuk believes that #Ukraine's govt is exaggerating casualties on the (pro) Russian side https://t.co/7PsXCl24x6 reageer retweet
Selezniov is de woordvoerder van ATO (anti-terroristen operatie). Het is bedoeld als tegenwicht van het bloedbad dat de rebellen hebben aangericht onder de militairen van het Oekrainse leger. Daarbij zijn 19 doden gevallen (en nog 4 toen een pantservoertuig op een mijn reed aan de grens, en nog 1 vermeld in post 113).quote:Ukrainian aircraft eliminated nearly 1,000 terrorists on July 11 - Selezniov
KYIV, July 12 /Ukrinform/.
On Friday, July 11, Ukrainian Armed Forces aircraft launched five air strikes against the strongholds of illegal armed groups, mortar and firing positions, bases and camps of militants and eliminated more than 1,000 terrorists, anti-terrorist operation (ATO) spokesman Vladyslav Selezniov has reported on his Facebook page.
De meldingen van het aantal eigen doden en gewonden van het 'ATO press center' klopt wel.quote:Ukraine loses seven servicemen over last 24 hours
KYIV, July 12 /Ukrinform/.
"The losses for the last 24 hours - seven servicemen killed, 33 wounded," the press center said.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:28:29#Tymchuk In #Metalist fr terrorists mortar shelling on #ATO CP 1 KIA, 4 WIA. reageer retweet
Dit is precies waar het om gaat. Dank Deelnemer voor je super postquote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 11:31 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Een goed stuk.
De reden dat het uit de hand loopt is simpel. Alle partijen zijn uit op het vergroten / behouden van hun machtspositie.
Na de onafhankelijkheid in 1991 kun je een nationalistische golf verwachten. Dat heeft een land nodig om een eigen identiteit te vormen. Nationalisme drijft op sentimenten die passen bij een (horizontale) wij-zij tegenstelling. Men zet zich vooral af tegen Rusland. Daarom kan het huidige conflict gezien worden als een onafhankelijkheidsoorlog, dat drijft op een nationalistische ideologie en waarbij vroegere de symbiotische banden worden afgebroken.
De Maidan beweging is een protestbeweging. Mensen verenigen zich in een doel, maar verschillen vaak radicaal in hun interpretatie van de situatie. Het doel was het regime ten val te brengen. De corruptie en het wanbeleid was de voornaamste oorzaak (zie al die miljardairs in een straatarm land). Dit is een andere (verticale) wij-zij tegenstelling.
Mensen die uit zijn op macht gebruiken de sentimenten rond deze tegenstellingen om aan invloed te winnen. Ook hun rechtvaardigingen, in termen van het algemeen belang, zijn bedrieglijk. Wat nodig is, is een openlijke discussie over machtsmotieven (de sentimenten mbt hierarchievorming) en de nadelen daarvan. En de erkenning dat propaganda strijdig is met het algemeen belang.
Alle partijen (politiek & bedrijfsleven, nationaal & internationaal) hebben tonnen boter op hun hoofd, als het gaat om het misleiden van de bevolking op grond van eigenbelang.
quote:Canada imposes sanctions against 14 more people over Ukraine
The extended sanctions list of the Canadian government includes members of the so-called "governments" of the self-proclaimed "people's republics," Fedir Berezin and Ihor Plotnytsky, as well as head of the so-called Union of Orthodox Citizens of Novorossiya Valeriy Kaur.
Vliegtuigen patrouilleren de grens tussen Oekraine en Ruslandquote:EU names rebel leaders in Ukraine hit with sanctions
(Reuters) - The European Union targeted Ukrainian separatist leader Aleksandr Borodai and 10 other rebels with travel bans and asset freezes on Saturday, avoiding fresh sanctions on Russian business to avoid antagonizing its main energy supplier.
The European Union said Borodai was "responsible for the separatist 'governmental' activities of the so-called 'government of the Donetsk People's Republic'," referring to the city where the military is fighting pro-Russian separatists.
Others on the EU list include Alexander Khodakovsky, a defector from the Ukrainian state security service who now commands rebels, and Nikolay Kozitsyn, identified by the EU as another rebel commander.
* 'scrambled' zodat de rebellen de communicatie van de vliegtuigen niet kunnen volgen.quote:Grad launchers again firing from Russian border
KYIV, July 12 /Ukrinform/.
Units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the State Border Service came under artillery fire with BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers from the Russian border at 00.28 on Saturday, July 12, the press office of the State Border Service of Ukraine has reported.
BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers
Missiles were launched at the units that were performing tasks as part of the anti-terrorist operation near Zelenopillia, Diakove, Biriukove, and Izvaryne. Ukrainian Armed Forces artillery opened fire in response.
"On the instruction of the defense minister, attack aircraft patrolling Ukraine's airspace were scrambled* and are ready to repel possible attacks," reads the statement.
Al dat werk gaat over de hoofden van mensen heen. Je kunt dat werk alleen doen, als je gelooft in je recht (of macht) om andere mensen te bespelen tbv algemeen (of eigen) belang. Dat is de kern van alle ideologisch spin.quote:The closer we get to resolving the issue, the stronger the attempts to destroy all this will be. So I think that the coming weeks will be crucially significant from the viewpoint of
- the president's diplomatic work,
- continuing the counter-terrorism operation and
- changing the perception in society, including in Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
quote:Luhansk city council: Three civilians killed in Luhansk overnight
Three civilians have been killed in Luhansk on Friday, the press service of the City Council reported on Saturday.
"Ambulances were called 160 times over the past 24 hours, 28 of the cases involved gunshot wounds and injuries sustained in fighting. Three deaths of civilians have been ascertained," the report says.
At 13:40 on Friday, it was reported that a shell hit a residential house at 24 Kirova Street, and an elderly woman was killed.
The Regional Military Registration Office and the Regional Cancer Center were shelled on Friday. "Eleven people were injured," the press service said.
quote:Military spokesperson: Ukrainian security forces taking Donetsk, Luhansk suburbs under control
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The Ukrainian security forces have taken full control of most of the populated areas near Luhansk and are installing new roadblocks near Donetsk.
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The press service of the Donbas fuel and energy company reported that mines hit the Maryinsky power grid district in the early hours of July 12.
"The power grid district building and the switchboard have been damaged, and cable routes and relay towers have been destroyed. The power grid district personnel has not been harmed and has been evacuated," Donetskoblenergo reported.
A new working station for the operator is being prepared now outside the combat area.
Associated Press: Eastern Ukrainians flee as army suffers lossestwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 12:41:09Many #Donetsk citizens left the city and moved to #Mariupol (south-east #Ukraine) http://t.co/9N2lKNbwJV | EMPR News #Ukraine reageer retweet
Militants break into Ukraine on tankstwitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 14:53:40#Lugansk rep: 2 military columns from #Russia crossed border. Nobody trying to hide anymore: tanks are under Russian flags inc. latest T-90. reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 04:49:27#Russian vehicles crossing border w #Ukraine from #Rostov area through Popovka,Severny,Belenke http://t.co/ma91tkn2ub http://t.co/7mnzzkvaTi reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:28:45#BREAKINGREPORT Russian armed forces T-90 tanks entered the Ukrainian city of #Sukhodilsk in #Luhansk oblast last night.Will try to confirm. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:33:49#BREAKINGREPORTS The Russian regular army invades #Ukraine since last night. Sight locations:Trying to confirm! http://t.co/FcbXD0VyaJ reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 12:34:34Video: #Donetsk, #Marinka district, residential houses, July 12 , after #RUS terrorists shelling. #Ukraine #ATO https://t.co/tLxfujG8F3 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:24:48#Footage claims to show Ukr. army artillery damage to residential buildings in the #Donetsk suburb of #Marinka. https://t.co/z0lFWERSxs reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:25:31#Marinka is in the outskirts of #Donetsk and just 8 km from the city center. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 13:42:33#BreakingNews #Donetsk public transport to #Marinka stopped as for fighting in the suburb. reageer retweet
quote:Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog
At least four civilians were killed in Donetsk by artillery fire that damaged several apartment buildings overnight.
Four buildings were on fire in Maryinka, a western suburb of Donetsk after being hit by mortar fire.
It was unclear who fired the mortars, but there is a rebel base about 100 metres away which may have been targeted by the Ukrainian military.
Al heel lang zoekt men naar een direct bewijs van onloochenbare Russische inmenging in Donbass. Het liefst Russische tanks van een type dat in Oekraine niet voorkomt. Nog liever een hele colonne tegelijk, die in vol daglicht komt binnen rijden.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 16:14 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Een hoop berichten maar weinig bewijs.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 08:12:11#Russia's invasion of #Ukraine is increasingly overt. Huge column of RU fighters + mercenaries + RU armor in #Donetsk http://t.co/v75flMO8Cj reageer retweet
twitter:SimonOstrovsky twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 21:27:03Strelkov/Girkin, commander of Separatists in #Ukraine, says he was an FSB col. until 2013 (video Rus) http://t.co/zmi3hv5yi2 reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:36:44@ 19:00 #RUS army opened fire on UA unit in #Hremyach village, Chernihivs'ka oblast. They targeted the bridge over #Sudost river w army CP. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:37:37Here is the FB post on actual & confirmed by #RUS shooting on #Ukraine army unit on bridge. https://t.co/zuuyvmJrXE reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:35:02#Ukraine's National Security Council confirms reports from the field that the Russian army entered #Luhansk #Ukraine http://t.co/sDCSKANo8Y reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:29:10Wounded Ukr soldier: Ukr units trying to close border with #Russia are surrounded by regular Russian army & (pro) RU fighters. We need help. reageer retweet
Inmiddels is er ook een video van de persconferentie met ondertiteling (van Borodai and Strelkov in Donetsk 10 Jul 2014)quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 18:03 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:SimonOstrovsky twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 21:27:03Strelkov/Girkin, commander of Separatists in #Ukraine, says he was an FSB col. until 2013 (video Rus) http://t.co/zmi3hv5yi2 reageer retweet
En toen kwam Conflict Reporter met de volgende tweets.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 18:03 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Mocht het zover zijn dan zal het wel snel duidelijk worden. Ik sla dit soort berichten over totdat ze onmiskenbaar zijn.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:30:55#BREAKINGNEWS UKRAINE: WE ARE INVADED BY THE RUSSIAN ARMY Russian Federation armed forces create corridor inside #Luhansk oblast!!! reageer retweet
Ik dacht, laat ik het toch even noemen. Maar wel in afgezwakte vorm:twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 19:34:34#Russia started the official #invasion of #Ukraine - all Ukrainian media confirming, the #NSDC announced the news. http://t.co/SsMYL1hSDQ reageer retweet
Wat blijkt? Er zijn slecht een paar granaten vanaf de Russisch kant op Oekraine afgevuurd (waarschijnlijk door rebellen): a grenade accident.quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 19:55 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Schermutseling aan de grens tussen Oekrainse en Russische militairen
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 20:45:13#BREAKINGREPORTS Russian army forces attack Hrem'yach, the first Ukrainian town behind the border!!! If true, #invasion_towards_Kiev began. reageer retweet
twitter:ZhidoBandera twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 20:47:52@MiddleEast_BRK Easy..just 2 small mortar explosions, even unclear by whose fault https://t.co/4p0bOzWQeT reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 20:50:07As far as I understand it, there were several mortar impacts from the Russian side, but no invasion of the area. reageer retweet
Ben ik er toch weer ingetrapt (de militaire colonne uit post 126 is waarschijnlijk net zo misleidend). De veel geciteerde tweeters Lennutrajektoor, Conflict Reporter en Ruthen laten het momenteel afweten. Ze brengen naast een hoeveelheid feiten, minstens eenzelfde hoeveelheid onzin en extreme interpretaties. Het lijkt RT wel.twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zaterdag 12-07-2014 om 21:08:07Another report says, it was a grenade accident. reageer retweet
En deel 2quote:Op zaterdag 12 juli 2014 20:28 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Inmiddels is er ook een video van de persconferentie met ondertiteling (van Borodai and Strelkov in Donetsk 10 Jul 2014)
quote:Covert operation
An operation that is so planned and executed as to conceal the identity of or permit plausible denial by the sponsor. A covert operation differs from a clandestine operation in that emphasis is placed on concealment of identity of sponsor rather than on concealment of the operation. See also clandestine operation; overt operation.
Wat Strelkov en Borodai hier doen, valt onder het kopje oorlogsmisdaden. Vanuit hun motieven of idealen beslissen ze voor een hele samenleving wat wenselijk is. Daarbij zetten ze massaal mensenlevens op het spel. Er is geen juridisch of democratisch kader dat hun rol rechtvaardigt. Zij zijn niet gekozen door de bevolking van Donbass (geen democratie), ze laten zich niets gezeggen door Oekraine (het legitieme gezag), ze zijn niet eens inwoners van Donbass. Ze hebben dit al eerder gedaan in Bosni, Transnistri & Tsjetsjeni.quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 00:52 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Dit is voldoende bewijs dat de operatie in Donbass wordt aangestuurd door Russen.
quote:Op woensdag 2 juli 2014 16:11 schreef Autodefensa het volgende:
Igor Strelkov – Moscow agent or military romantic?
De romantiek is een stroming die bloeide in Europa toen er nog zeer autoritaire verhoudingen waren. De bevolking zat klem en hoopte op verandering (de tijd van koningen, adel en kerk terwijl een nieuwe tijd al in zicht was, ca 1800, de tijd van Goethe, wachten op Napoleon die ons bevrijd enzo). Bij gebrek aan beter droomde men weg bij allerlei avonturen (ontdekkingsreizen, oorlogsromantiek, verheerlijking van het verleden / toekomst, etc...). Deze romantiek en ook het vernederen van mensen, duiden allebei op autoritaire verhoudingen (rond potentaten / kliekjes), zoals nu in Rusland en Oekraine.quote:Rather, he may be part of the Greater Russian vision that permeates some sections of the Russian establishment, from political scientist Aleksandr Dugin to Vasily Yakemenko, and harkens back to earlier luminaries such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Strelkov appears to live in a different era, but his playing of romantic roles has become confused with political reality. Eventually, this quiet and eccentric fanatic may represent little more than a pawn in a much broader power game, but for the Ukrainian Government he represents a difficult opponent who is unlikely to surrender, with or without support from the Russian military and its Commander-in-Chief.
Zoals ik het lees (Wikipedia) is het net andersom en was de nationalistische romantiek juist een reactie op de veroveringen van Napoleon, die al gauw geen verlichte bevrijding maar eerder een Franse overheersing bleken in te houden. Wat dat betreft vind ik de classificatie als romanticus geen diskwalificatie.quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 12:00 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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De romantiek is een stroming die bloeide in Europa toen er nog zeer autoritaire verhoudingen waren. De bevolking zat klem en hoopte op verandering (de tijd van koningen, adel en kerk terwijl een nieuwe tijd al in zicht was, ca 1800, de tijd van Goethe, wachten op Napoleon die ons bevrijd enzo). Bij gebrek aan beter droomde men weg bij allerlei avonturen (ontdekkingsreizen, oorlogsromantiek, etc...).
Beide. Er is een interpretatie die de Romantiek ziet als een reactie op de verlichting. Er is echter net zoveel voor te zeggen, dat de romantiek een reactie is op het autocratische bestuursmodel waar de verlichting zelf ook een reactie op is. Goethe en zijn bewonderaars in Duitsland verwelkomde de komst van Napoleon, in de hoop dat hij een modern bestuur zou brengen. Napoleon stond toen nog bekent als een voorvechter van de verlichting. Goethe is een bekende romanticus. Zijn kleuren theorie is een reactie op Newtons kleuren theorie, die van Newton modern rationeel en die van Goethe gevoelsmatig romantisch.quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 12:21 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Zoals ik het lees (Wikipedia) is het net andersom en was de nationalistische romantiek juist een reactie op de veroveringen van Napoleon, die al gauw geen verlichte bevrijding maar eerder een Franse overheersing bleken in te houden. Wat dat betreft vind ik de classificatie als romanticus geen diskwalificatie.
quote:Rusland dreigt met vergelding tegen Oekrane na dodelijke obusinslag
In een Russisch grensdorp is een dode gevallen door een obus die werd afgevuurd vanuit Oekrane. Dat hebben de lokale autoriteiten gezegd. Moskou dreigt opnieuw met vergelding.
Volgens woorvoerder Alexander Titov van de Russische regio Rostov raakten twee huizen beschadigd en viel een dode door de obus die rond 9.20 uur vanuit Oekrane op het Russische grensplaatsje Donetsk (niet te verwarren met de gelijknamige Oekraense stad) insloeg. Er viel ook een gewonde.
Rusland zal antwoorden "met sterke en specifieke acties" na een onderzoek naar het incident, verklaarde de adjunct-minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Grigori Karassine aan het Russische nieuwsagentschap RIA Novosti. "Dit betekent dat er een gevaarlijke escalatie gaande is aan de grens, wat een veel hoger veiligheidsrisico betekent voor onze burgers die op Russisch grondgebied leven", zei hij.
"Provocatie"
Donetsk is een Russisch dorp vlakbij de grens met de Oekraense regio Loehansk, waar troepen van het pro-Westerse regime in Kiev strijden met pro-Russische separatisten om de controle van de grensposten.
Gisteren had Moskou al gezegd dat het zich "het recht voorbehoudt alle noodzakelijke maatregelen te nemen om (zijn) grondgebied te verdedigen" nadat schoten waren afgevuurd op Russische grenswachters. Rusland beschikt naar eigen zeggen over overtuigende bewijzen dat de schoten van de Oekraense kant van de grens kwamen. Kiev maakt dan weer gewag van een "provocatie" en beschuldigt de Russen ervan met mortiervuur geschoten te hebben op een grenspost.
Maar goed, Strelkov denkt als een aristocraat in termen van waarden, eer en geweten. Een vorm van romantiek die de Verlichting beschouwd als een vijand, als de ontwaarding van alle waarden.quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 12:21 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Zoals ik het lees (Wikipedia) is het net andersom en was de nationalistische romantiek juist een reactie op de veroveringen van Napoleon, die al gauw geen verlichte bevrijding maar eerder een Franse overheersing bleken in te houden. Wat dat betreft vind ik de classificatie als romanticus geen diskwalificatie.
Inderdaad.quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 13:51 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:
Dit betekent dat er een gevaarlijke escalatie gaande is aan de grens
Vanmorgentwitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 12:44:08#BreakingNews (Pro-)#Russian troops killed and wounded 37 Ukrainian soldiers yesterday with 7 #KIA and 30 #WIA. - NSDC reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 11:02:362 Privat Bank offices blown up in #Odessa overnight. Privat Bank owner is #Putin's personal enemy & #Dnipropetrovsk governor Ihor #Kolomoysky reageer retweet
Vanmiddagtwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 12:55:49Explosion in 2 Privatbank offices occurred overnight in #Odesa on Krasnoslobodska, Yadova str/ No one hurt http://t.co/GkyHDQ6G3R |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 16:29:49Russian militant positions in southern #Luhansk city are shelled by the Ukr. army.https://t.co/BI4WRLnJs6#Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 19:49:30#Tymchuk #ATO made 2 air raids on enemy units @ #Izvaryne BGCP. Also attacked by air #Kadyrovs' positions in #Lisinchansk NG premises. reageer retweet
Russian Foreign Ministry Claims Ukraine Shelled Russian Townquote:
Shells have landed on Russian territory before. But this is the first time when such a landing led to deaths and injuries. Donetsk is also the name of a Russian city within Rostov Region with a population of 49,000 people. The Donetsk-Izvarino border crossing into Ukraine is located in this city.quote:A shell has fallen from Ukrainian territory into the Donetsk District of Rostov Region of Russia into the back yard of a private home. The incident occurred in the village of Dvadtsatka. As a result of the explosion, a man died, and two more people were injured, area law-enforcement agencies reported. Among them was an 80-year-old woman who was thrown by the wave of the explosion. She was taken to the hospital in critical condition, doctors are fighting for her life. Investigators of the Investigative Commitee are working at the emergency cite, Rossiya 24 reported.
Local medical personnel said that the man who was killed had his arm ripped off. At that time one of the victims was in her home which was situated across [from him]. Another woman was leaving work, when the shrapnel from a shell hit her in the leg. Two private homes suffered damage from the explosion, Aleksandr Tito, representative of the regional government reported.
The Russian Foreign Ministry has made a sharp protest in connection with the incident. According to Girgory Karasin, deputy head of the foreign policy department, "our demarches will be harsh and specific.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 18:34:40Reports #Luhansk being attacked fr 2 directions by #ATO w 50 tanks & 2 jet figthers. Seems it's serious this time. reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 17:03:50RU cmdr Strelkov: there is heavy battle in #Luhansk outskirts, ~70 UA tanks and there is info about UA paratroopers jumped off helicopters. reageer retweet
twitter:anaxarchos twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 19:43:49#Ukaine propaganda has 3 modes: 1) #ATO storming <fill-in-the-blank> 2) Terrorists shelling civilians 3) Russians invading Rinse... Repeat. reageer retweet
quote:Topoverleg over Oekrane in Rio
zondag 13 jul 2014, 18:40 (Update: 13-07-14, 18:47)
Merkel en Poetin tijdens hun overleg in Rio
De situatie in Oekrane dreigt te escaleren, zeggen de Duitse bondskanselier Merkel en de Russische president Poetin. Daarom willen de twee leiders dat er meer wordt gedaan om het conflict op te lossen.
Dat meldt een woordvoerder van de Russische president na een ontmoeting tussen beide leiders in Rio de Janeiro, waar vanavond de WK-finale wordt gespeeld.
"Poetin en Merkel onderstrepen de noodzaak om besprekingen te hervatten met een internationale contactgroep", zegt de woordvoerder. "Daartoe moet er eerst een staakt-het-vuren worden uitgeroepen." De besprekingen zouden eventueel via een videoverbinding gehouden kunnen worden.
Merkel is vandaag in Brazili om haar land aan te moedigen tijdens de WK-finale. Poetin bezoekt de ontmoeting tussen Duitsland en Argentini ook, omdat Rusland het WK voetbal in 2018 organiseert.
twitter:mennohulshof twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 21:54:26De een zegt dat het oekrainse leger het vliegveld van #lugansk heeft bereikt en dat er spec ops in de stad geland zijn... #oekraine reageer retweet
twitter:mennohulshof twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 21:55:36Daarintegen zegt de ander dat het vliegveld van #lugansk in de handen is vam #NAF en da die de aanval in zetten tegen kiev forces. #oekraine reageer retweet
twitter:tristanmasat twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 21:24:02The company you keep. Difficult to imagine a way for Merkel to show more contempt for people in #Ukraine #GER http://t.co/fQe1ifIJD6 reageer retweet
twitter:Manio_12 twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 21:27:31@lennutrajektoor no comments ... shame !!!! http://t.co/JIuBDjXlWG reageer retweet
twitter:AndrijUKR twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 20:23:23@MiddleEast_BRK ATO troops liberated South Luhansk reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 21:56:28#BreakingNews Russians strengthened their assault on #Luhansk #airport and extremely heavy fighting is going on. reageer retweet
quote:Op zondag 13 juli 2014 22:19 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
quote:Ukrainian troops fired on the town of Krasnogorovka in the Donetsk region on Sunday, according to the official Twitter account for the People’s Republic of Donetsk. A school and multiple apartment blocks were damaged and “there were many casualties".
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 23:19:19#BreakingReports The Ukrainian army lifted the siege of #Luhansk airport and attacks Russian positions throughout the city reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 23:14:39Confirmed - #Luhansk airport is in full #ATO control, blockade lifted, reinforcements there. Terrorists get killed all over Luhansk. reageer retweet
twitter:JoshMainka twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 23:35:20Mapping Ukrainian relief of #Luhansk airport http://t.co/LronVLjZGT reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 00:12:06#BREAKINGNEWS 13 Ukrainian national guard troops killed TODAY, 130(!!!!!!!!!!) injured.#RussiaInvadesUkraine reageer retweet
De rebellen beweren dat ze het vliegveld hebben veroverd.quote:Ukrainian military unblock Luhansk airport
Ukrainian servicemen have reached the Luhansk airport with fighting and freed it from militants, according to the official Facebook page of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.
"The ATO [anti-terrorist operation] headquarters has just reported to President Petro Poroshenko that Ukrainian servicemen have reached the Luhansk airport with fighting.
quote:Militia fighters of Lugansk People’s Republic take Lugansk airport
LUGANSK, July 14,/ITAR-TASS/.
The people’s militia fighters of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) have taken Lugansk airport, the Novorossia news agency reported on Sunday.
“Heavy shelling is underway. Aviation and sabotage-reconnaissance groups are used. The airport is ours. People’s militia assault convoys develop an offensive towards the city of Schastye,” it said.
According to Novorossia, the Ukrainian military started two tank attacks - in the north, in the area of Metallist (Lugansk suburb) and in the south. “Due to the lack of co-ordination, the southern group only now at about 23:30 (00:30 MSK) came to the Roskoshnoye settlement (15 kilometres from the airport),” the agency’s military communiqu says. The militia fighters use artillery to counter the attack.
[ overig nieuws over de strijd ]
There is fire fighting in the area of the Uralo-Kavkaz, Porechye and Goncharovka settlements, “the Ukranian army is trying to cut off Krasnodon from the border.” [...] “Local residents report that the settlement has been heavily destroyed by artillery fire,” the agency says.
Combat actions continue in the area of Saur-Mogila, Marinovka and Torez (Dosnetsk region)
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According to Novorossia reports, the Ukrainian armed forces “sent reinforcement” to the Zelenopolye settlement “in order to unblock the survivors.” A clash with the Ukrainian military was underway at the Krasny Partizan checkpoint.
quote:ATO forces destroy militants' column near Zelenopillia
KYIV, July 14 /Ukrinform/.
The anti-terrorist operation (ATO) forces destroyed a column of terrorists and two trucks with weapons near Zelenopillia in Luhansk region, head of the Center for Military-Political Studies Dmytro Tymchuk wrote on his Facebook page.
"Near the settlement of Zelenopillia, the ATO forces destroyed a column of terrorists. In addition to manpower, two trucks with weapons were destroyed. No victims among the ATO soldiers," Tymchuk wrote.
quote:Minstens dertig Oekraense opstandelingen gedood
In het oosten van Oekrane zijn zeker dertig opstandelingen omgekomen door artilleriebeschietingen door het regeringsleger.
De slachtoffers vielen in de plaats Alexandrovka in de regio Loehansk, maakte een woordvoerder van de pro-Russische rebellen bekend.
De gevechten tussen het regeringsleger en de separatisten gingen maandag door.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 19:59:13Russian mil cmdr Strelkov: 'Babay' & fellow Cossacks lack military discipline and deserted (pro) Russian forces http://t.co/fxeWRFSbJ3 reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 07:03:08Tymchuk: Ukrainian forces have broken the siege of #Luhansk #Ukraine airport where UA forces could previously only get supplies via air. reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 07:57:49#ATO forces unblocked #Lugansk airport. Later terrorists attacked the airport with Grad, #Tymchuk FB |EMPR reageer retweet
quote:Avakov urges Maidan 'patriots' to go to front instead of parasitizing in central Kyiv
Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov has said that police have information about those "who, under the guise of Maidan, commit unlawful actions," and vowed a due response.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 08:43:52Tymchuk: there's no question that Russia has invaded E #Ukraine; heavy weapons are now manned by reg Russian troops https://t.co/KEP7E7RdhE reageer retweet
quote:Poroshenko to show new proof of Russian military involvement on July 14
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on July 14 is expected to show documented proof of further Russian involvement in the illegal supply of military equipment across the Russian-Ukrainian border.
A convoy of about 100 armored vehicles entered Ukraine from Russia on July 13, according to Defense Ministry spokesperson Andriy Lysenko. He added that Ukrainian forces conducted five air strikes against the transport convoy and against Kremlin-backed bases in eastern Ukraine.
The escalation by Russia sent worrying signals throughout Ukraine’s defense and intelligence community.
“We have facts and proof that will show tomorrow (on July 14) to the international community,” stated deputy presidential chief of staff Valeriy Chalyi on Inter television.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 09:58:42Tymchuk+others: (pro) RU forces in #Donbas are shelling Russian territory from #Ukraine as part of #Russia's PR campaign against the West reageer retweet
quote:Ukraine denies claims its forces shelled Russian territory
The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has released a statement on Sunday saying, citing forces involved in the counterterrorism operation, that Ukrainian servicemen did not deliver fire in the locality, mentioned by the Russian Foreign Ministry.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 08:09:47Kremlin news agency: #Russia is considering using airstrikes against #Ukraine http://t.co/ydQ1TrynAF reageer retweet
twitter:paulgypteau twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 08:43:15Kommersant's front page this morning: Russia doesn't rule out "selective" strikes on #Ukraine http://t.co/90xMX0G89W reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 11:01:09#Tymchuk: #Russia is preparing to invade the territory of #Donbas, #Ukraine with its special forces at July 15,2014 http://t.co/Lrn7Mgv616 reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 10:24:09Live Tymchuk press conference about situation in east #Ukraine: http://t.co/TPzymlcPCN reageer retweet
Ahum, luchthaven / vliegveldquote:
twitter:Catherina_News twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 10:41:39TT @n_tropeshko: Tired of airport mess. Asked the militia, it said it's ours. Asked Strelkov, he said it's not. Okay, I will believe and wait reageer retweet
quote:Kiev: Rusland mengt zich in strijd
Toegevoegd: maandag 14 jul 2014, 13:00
De Oekraense regering beschuldigt Rusland ervan dat het zich mengt in de strijd in Oost-Oekrane. President Porosjenko zegt dat Russische officieren betrokken zijn bij aanvallen van separatisten op het Oekraense leger.
Ook hebben de separatisten volgens Porosjenko het afgelopen weekend gebruik gemaakt van een nieuw Russisch raketsysteem. Hij denkt dat de Oekraense strijdkrachten daarom hun strategie moeten bijstellen.
Een woordvoerder van het Oekraense leger zegt dat Rusland bezig is met een grote troepenopbouw aan de grens. Ook vechten volgens hem Russische huurlingen mee met de separatisten. Ze zouden grensposten bestoken om zo wapens en voertuigen vanuit Rusland naar Oekrane te kunnen brengen.
Escalatie
"De gebeurtenissen van de afgelopen dagen laten zien dat Rusland een weg van escalatie is ingeslagen", zegt de Oekraense legerwoordvoerder. Hij zegt dat de separatisten verantwoordelijk zijn voor de mortierinslag in een woonwijk aan de Russische kant van de grens. Daarbij kwam het afgelopen weekend een Rus om het leven.
Rusland heeft woedend op het incident gereageerd en stelt het Oekraense leger daarvoor verantwoordelijk. Maar volgens de legerwoordvoerder is die beschuldiging nergens op gebaseerd. Hij zegt dat de separatisten voortdurend mortiergranaten richting Rusland afvuren.
Luchtaanvallen
Het Russische persbureau Ria Novosti meldde eerder vanochtend dat het Kremlin overweegt beperkte, gerichte luchtaanvallen uit te voeren op Oekraense doelen. Een anonieme bron zegt dat grootschalige inzet van grondtroepen is uitgesloten.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 12:40:32Footage claims to show entire #Ukrainian_army convoy destroyed near #Luhansk. http://t.co/pDwOuXqrAv reageer retweet
Lugansktwitter:NoahSneider twitterde op zondag 13-07-2014 om 13:02:42Interesting that many Ukr users retweet musings abt Russ invasion, but not pics of Ukr attacks on civilians - & vice versa with Russ users reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 12:45:33#Breaking #Kremlin: "Reports that Russia is considering the possibility of surgical strikes are nonsense, do not correspond to reality." reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 13:20:21#BREAKINGFOOTAGE Ukrainian air force Antonov crashing after hit by AA weapon system. https://t.co/leIntcQj5Z http://t.co/oKjrJBbQc9 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 13:41:22#BREAKINGNEWS Ukraine confirms, an Antonov AN-26 was shot down in eastern #Luhansk oblast. reageer retweet
quote:The situation is most acute in the cities of Donetsk, Lugansk, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk and Antratsyt. In these settlements the militants are preparing captured state administration buildings as fortified positions. Central state television stations and radio channels have been blocked in the cities, but Russian television channels, which do not provide an objective view of the actions of ATO troops during the liberation of the cities of the Donetsk region from terrorists, are being broadcast.
The militants are continuing to intimidate the local population. There are documented cases of looting and the seizure of property and commercial vehicles, which raises tensions amongst the local residents.
Thanks to the conduction of active military operations by the armed forces and other security bodies engaged in the ATO, the settlements of Metalist, Aleksandrovsk, Beloye and Roskoshnoye have been liberated from the militants and the blockade around Lugansk Airport has been lifted.
Due to the successful offensive operations by the ATO forces in the Donetsk area, some of the militants are trying to leave the city while dressed in civilian clothes in cars stolen from citizens.
Over the last 24 hours illegal armed groups have carried out 5 shellings on checkpoints and the positions of units of the armed forces. From around 00:23-00:30 [21:23-30 GMT] an attack was made with small arms on a checkpoint near the village of Staraya Krasnyanka. Ukrainian soldiers opened fire in response.
At around 3:00 [00:00 GMT] the terrorists fired on Lugansk Airport with Grad rocket launchers from the direction of the suburb of Ostraya Mogila.
There was also an unsuccessful attempt made by the militants to break through a checkpoint near Zelenopolye at around 23:00 [20:00 GMT]. 2 cars carrying militants were destroyed by ATO forces during the battle. There were no losses among the members of the armed forces.
Hoeveel vliegtuigen zijn er al niet neergehaald in Oost-Oekrane, en dan nog blijven proberen.quote:Separatisten halen vliegtuig neer
Toegevoegd: maandag 14 jul 2014, 14:15
Pro-Russische separatisten zeggen dat ze een militair transportvliegtuig hebben neergehaald. Dat zou zijn gebeurd bij Izvaryne aan de Russische grens, ongeveer 50 kilometer van het separatistenbolwerk Loegansk, meldt het persbureau Interfax-Ukraine.
Het Oekraense leger bevestigt dat een Antonov-26 wordt vermist, mogelijk door vijandelijk vuur. Het contact met het transportvliegtuig viel weg toen het boven de regio Loegansk vloog. Er zouden ongeveer twintig mensen aan boord zijn geweest.
Parachutes
Russische media melden dat ooggetuigen hebben gezien dat verschillende mensen met parachutes uit het toestel zijn gesprongen.
De strijd tussen het Oekraense leger en de separatisten is het afgelopen weekend hoog opgelaaid. President Porosjenko beschuldigt Moskou ervan dat het de separatisten actief steunt met mensen en materieel.
Volgens Oekraine vier:quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2014 14:32 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
Bericht van dat neergehaalde vliegtuig:
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Hoeveel vliegtuigen zijn er al niet neergehaald in Oost-Oekrane, en dan nog blijven proberen.
quote:Er zouden ongeveer twintig mensen aan boord zijn geweest.
NSDC considers two versions of the destruction of the AN-26 - information centertwitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 17:05:56#BREAKINGNEWS #UKRAINE EITHER RUSSIAN ARMY JET OR RUSSIAN ARMY SURFACE-TO-AIR-MISSILE DOWNED OUR AN-26. https://t.co/8nXTZxXFyj reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op maandag 14-07-2014 om 17:50:21#Update8 people were on board the An-26 6 used parachutes and survived 2 probably died in the crash. Militants claim, they captured 4 reageer retweet
quote:'Russen hebben weer veel troepen bij grens Oekrane'
Rusland heeft alweer 10.000 tot 12.000 miltairen langs de grens met Oekrane samengetrokken. Dat schatte de NAVO maandag. De schatting komt ten tijde van oplopende spanningen tussen Oekrane en Rusland.
Veel strijd wordt geleverd vrijwel aan de grens van de twee landen ten zuidoosten van de Oekraense stad Loehansk.
Eerder dit jaar trok Rusland ongeveer 40.000 man terug van de grens. Half juni zouden er nog maar duizend man gelegerd zijn.
Oekrane beschuldigt Rusland van betrokkenheid bij de strijd van separatisten. Rusland overweegt volgens het persbureau RIA Novosti ''chirurgische tegenaanvallen'' op Oekraens grondgebied, omdat daarvandaan op Rusland wordt geschoten.
quote:'Raket uit Rusland trof Oekraens vliegtuig'
De raket waarmee maandag een Oekraens militair transportvliegtuig werd neergeschoten, is ''waarschijnlijk'' afgevuurd vanuit Rusland.
Die beschuldiging heeft het Oekraense ministerie van Defensie maandag geuit, meldde het Oekraense persbureau Interfax.
Het vliegtuig, een Antonov An-26, vloog volgens het ministerie op 6,5 kilometer hoogte boven het oosten van Oekrane. De kans dat het is geraakt door een lichte, vanaf de schouder afgevuurde raket is daarom klein volgens Oekrane.
''Het vliegtuig is geraakt door een andere, krachtigere raket, die waarschijnlijk is afgevuurd van Russisch grondgebied'', aldus de verklaring.
Maar volgens Russische media hebben rebellen in de regio Loehansk de verantwoordelijkheid opgeist voor het neerschieten van het vliegtuig. Ze zouden inzittenden gevangen hebben genomen en hen ondervragen.
Het is onduidelijk hoeveel mensen aan boord waren. Het Oekraense leger zoekt ten zuidoosten van de stad Loehansk naar het toestel en de inzittenden.
Die presentator praat ook zo langzaam alsof hij een mentale handicap heeft. Of hij praat zo langzaam voor de mensen met een mentale handicap die deze shit geloven.quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2014 19:55 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Dit een representatieve video van de (pro)Russische propaganda. De beelden zijn echt, de interpretatie van de 'Truthseeker' (een programma van RT) is echter extreme propaganda.
Dit soort propaganda is een misdrijf.
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Ik vind het wel fascinerend dat iemand met een glad gezicht Amerika de schuld kan geven van de genocide in Ruwanda. Ik vraag mezelf dan altijd af, zal hij dat echt zelf geloven?quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2014 19:55 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Dit is een representatieve video van de (pro)Russische propaganda. De beelden zijn echt, de interpretatie van de 'Truthseeker' (een programma van RT) is echter extreme propaganda.
Dit soort propaganda is een misdrijf.
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http://lightbox.time.com/(...)iid=lb-gal-viewagn#3quote:In Ukraine, A Battle of Words and Images
As the conflict in Ukraine continues, another battle rages far from the front lines—a battle between Russian news sites and a group of Kiev-based journalists who say the sites are misusing, even fabricating, news photographs filed from Ukraine.
In an effort to put a stop to what they see as fraud, the journalists—who are alumni and students at Kiev’s Mohyla School of Journalism—have launched Stopfake.org, a “fact-checking project, which aims to help people separate the truth from the lie in the media,” as the group’s co-founder and editor-in-chief Oleg Shankovskyi tells TIME.
Shankovskyi and his colleagues feel that the best way to combat what they see as an inappropriate use of images is simply to point out the inaccuracies. “Very often people just don’t think critically about what they hear from the media—they just believe it,” he says.
Screenshots from Russian TV
Screenshots from Russian TV
Maria Tsypko on various Russian TV stations.
The group points to one recurring instance of apparent misrepresentation as typical of the stories
they are trying to counter. A woman called Maria Tsypko periodically emerges in interviews on Russian TV, each time in an apparently different pro-Russian role. She has been interviewed as a separatist camp organizer in Odessa, played a political refugee in Sevastopol and even collected donations in Crimea to ask Russia for help.
Not all misappropriated media has been this blatant, the group says. Often photographs shot in China, Canada and Mexico over the past 30 years are recaptioned to represent events currently occurring in Ukraine.
One photo of a burning tank claimed to be from conflicts in Donbass was actually taken in 1989 during the Tiananmen Square protests. Another image pictured a crying girl sitting on the body of her deceased mother, allegedly killed in Donbass. The image is actually a promotional photo from the 2010 Russian war film Fortress of War.
One of the more obvious examples of misappropriation involves Ron Haviv’s iconic 1992 image from the Bosnian War, which shows Serbian paramilitary officers, known as Arkan’s Tigers, kicking the dying bodies of Muslims. The photo recently went viral on Facebook and Twitter, with a caption claiming it portrayed Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea.
“This, of course, is just a complete misuse and fabrication, and is being used to instill fear,” says Haviv. “It doesn’t represent the current situation in Ukraine because it’s not Ukraine.”
Indeed, he views photo misuse as part of a larger trend in recent conflict photography. War-torn countries like Syria have become too dangerous for many professional journalists to visit, leaving the media often dependent on images and videos produced by the combatants themselves. “I think we’re certainly seeing with the war in Syria, and now in this conflict, the power of social media,” says Haviv. “It’s so easy to take an image from one place, put another caption on it and put it out there.” The line between news and propaganda has never been so thin.
.quote:Abducted Mariupol journalist investigating human rights violations in Donbas found dead
Donetsk - Serhiy Dolhov, a Mariupol journalist abducted on June 18, has been found dead near Dnipropetrovsk, Novorossiya People's Front public organization cochairman Kostiantyn Dolhov said on Sunday, July 13.
quote:Washington Post: Ukraine says military plane was 'probably' shot down from Russian territory
DNIPROPETROVSK, Ukraine — Ukraine’s top defense official said Monday that Russia may have shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane, an action that would represent a dramatic new step in the months-long conflict that has engulfed eastern Ukraine.
Pro-Russian separatists immediately asserted responsibility for the downing of the An-26 plane over Luhansk, but Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Heletey said the aircraft had been flying too high for their shoulder-mounted rockets to reach it.
“The plane was downed by another, more powerful missile weapon that probably was used from the territory of the Russian Federation,” Heletey told President Petro Poroshenko, according to a statement on the president’s Web site. Russia did not comment on the accusation.
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 08:44:44#BREAKINGNEWS THE MISSILE ATTACK ON #ZELENOPOLE THAT KILLED 19 UKR. TROOPS ON JULY 3RD WAS CONDUCTED WITH A #HURRICANE #MLRS FROM #RUSSIA. reageer retweet
quote:Amvrosiivka shelled from Grad from Russia side yesterday
KYIV, July 15 /Ukrinform/.
The town of Amvrosiivka was shelled from Grad from the territory of Russia this night. Volodymyr Parasiuk writes on his Facebook page. “This night, Amvrosiivka is shelled from Grad from the territory of Russia. Information is verified.”
Also, according to Parasiuk, the 24th Brigade is again bombarded near the Dovzhansky checkpoint.
“The 24th Brigade stayed at one place for two days and moved nowhere. Perhaps, someone gave such an order so that the enemy could take a careful sight,” he notes.
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 00:32:54Great take on Russian border guard Artem Karat whose "crazy stupid love" for Instagram destroyed #Kremlin propaganda http://t.co/6hWi4lCgsH reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 00:34:57#Avakov: Ministry of Interior sacks 585 #Donetsk cops after checking them on fulfilling allegiance of oath. 242 more to be probed reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 09:56:37Bomb threat again at @5channel, cop tells us in the newsroom. We are being evacuated reageer retweet
quote:Partijen Oekrane mogelijk in gesprek
Strijdende partijen in Oekrane hebben dinsdag mogelijk contact met elkaar. President Petro Porosjenko heeft laten weten dat zijn regering direct contact wil met de pro-Russische separatisten in het oosten van het land.
Porosjenko onderstreepte dat in een telefoongesprek met de Duitse bondskanselier Angela Merkel.
Dinsdag is er wellicht een videoconferentie met vertegenwoordigers van Oekrane, Rusland, separatisten en van de Organisatie voor Veiligheid en Samenwerking in Europa (OVSE).
De separatisten ontkenden dinsdag dat ze wapens krijgen geleverd uit Rusland. Een van hun leiders verklaarde dinsdag dat de wapens die ze gebruiken, waaronder zware raketwerpers, afkomstig zijn uit de arsenalen van het Oekraense leger.
Kiev heeft Rusland er van beschuldigd de separatisten van wapentuig te voorzien. Dat gebeurde nadat maandag een Oekraens transportvliegtuig uit de lucht werd geschoten met een raket.
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 00:47:25#Luhansk. #Terrorists shelled residential district Myrniy http://t.co/ba0VJG3290 @tombreadley | EMPR News #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 01:59:06#Luhansk. #Metalist district is on fire @Praporec http://t.co/6uH97CaKww | EMPR News #Ukraine #terrorists #russiainvadesukraine reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 04:19:03#Luhansk. 05:05am. Explosions in the city @100007182042214 | EMPR News #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 08:19:58#ATO positions near #Amvrosiivka were shelled with multiple rocket launcher. There are casualties, #Tymchuk FB |EMPR http://t.co/RwY8ATOwqO reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:19:55#BreakingNews Pro-Russian sources say 10 killed, many injured when 5 missiles were fired from jet towards the center of #Snizhne. reageer retweet
Ik weet niet of het klopt. Daarom hield ik het nog even achter. Maar er is deze tweet.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 10:49 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Las ik dat nou goed?
Heeft het Pentagon bewijs dat de raket die het vliegtuig neerhaalde van Russische bodem werd gelanceerd?
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 08:18:20#Pentagon has the sat image when #RUS army self-propelled SAM BUK shot a rocket which downed #UKR An-26 on July 14. http://t.co/6lWRZzuVKz reageer retweet
twitter:dpatrikarakos twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:02:39RT @ChristopherJM SBU chief Nalyvaichenko: "there is incontrovertible evidence" of #Russia involvement in downing plane in #Luhansk ysterday reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 11:20:04Military flights in #ATO zone are suspended until investigation of AN-26 downing circumstances is finalized, ATOspox Seleznyov |EMPR reageer retweet
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 10:45 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:19:55#BreakingNews Pro-Russian sources say 10 killed, many injured when 5 missiles were fired from jet towards the center of #Snizhne. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:28:16#MASSIVE destruction in #Snizhne. reageer retweet
twitter:Kateryna_Kruk twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:58:36this night #Snizhne was bombed from air. spokesperson of #ATO HQ says it wasn't UA aviation......http://t.co/1zJ6m15qWB reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:10:11Nat Sec & Def Council: An unknown plane hit #Snizhne with an air-strike, Ukrainian aviation hasn't been in up the air since July 14 reageer retweet
Intussen zijn de video en het bijbehorende artikel op de RT-website verwijderd. Om wat voor reden dan ook.quote:Op maandag 14 juli 2014 19:55 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Dit is een representatieve video van de (pro)Russische propaganda. De beelden zijn echt, de interpretatie van de 'Truthseeker' (een programma van RT) is echter extreme propaganda.
Dit soort propaganda is een misdrijf.
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De aankomst van Vostok Batallion in Donetsk, hun bezetting van het vliegveld en het gevecht daarna, waarbij het leger het vliegveld veroverde, waren bekend. Maar dat veel militanten pas zijn gevallen tijdens hun aftocht naar Donetsk door 'friendly fire' is nieuw.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 11:19 schreef Happel het volgende:
Interessant interview met een Armeense seperatist.
http://www.theguardian.co(...)rn-ukraine-interview
quote:Eight civilians, including child, killed in Luhansk over past 24 hours
Eight civilians, including a child, have been killed in Luhansk over the past 24 hours, the press service of the Luhansk City Council has reported.
quote:Two Ukrainian soldiers killed, eight injured in ATO zone over last 24 hours
Two Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and eight injured in fighting in the east of the country over the last 24 hours, anti-terrorist operation (ATO) spokesman Vladyslav Selezniov has said.
quote:Mayor of Ukraines Luhansk declares 3-day mourning
LUHANSK, July 15. /ITAR-TASS/.
Sergei Kravchenko, the mayor of Ukraines embattled southeastern city of Luhansk, declared a three-day mourning starting on Tuesday in memory of civilians killed in artillery attack by pro-Kiev military forces.
Earlier in the day, the press service of the Luhansk city council reported that only within the past 24 hours at least eight civilians, including a child, were killed in the Ukrainian armys shelling of the city.
Over the past three days 17 civilians were killed and 73 sustained fragmentation and gunshot wounds, Kravchenko said in a statement. In regard to the tragic events I have decided to declare July 15, 16 and 17 the days of mourning in Luhansk.
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 10:53 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 08:18:20#Pentagon has the sat image when #RUS army self-propelled SAM BUK shot a rocket which downed #UKR An-26 on July 14. http://t.co/6lWRZzuVKz reageer retweet
twitter:dpatrikarakos twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:02:39RT @ChristopherJM SBU chief Nalyvaichenko: "there is incontrovertible evidence" of #Russia involvement in downing plane in #Luhansk ysterday reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 11:20:04Military flights in #ATO zone are suspended until investigation of AN-26 downing circumstances is finalized, ATOspox Seleznyov |EMPR reageer retweet
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 11:10 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:Kateryna_Kruk twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:58:36this night #Snizhne was bombed from air. spokesperson of #ATO HQ says it wasn't UA aviation......http://t.co/1zJ6m15qWB reageer retweet
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:10:11Nat Sec & Def Council: An unknown plane hit #Snizhne with an air-strike, Ukrainian aviation hasn't been in up the air since July 14 reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:51:08#BREAKINGNEWS #Ukraine has "irrefutable evidence of Russian involvement in the downing of the Antonov An-26" yday.https://t.co/0iplSnXzds reageer retweet
Als dat allemaal klopt, is de volgende conclusie gerechtvaardigd:quote:SBU has irrefutable evidence of the involvement of the Russian Federation to the collapse of the AN-26 in the Luhansk region - Nalivaychenko
Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaychenko (pictured) said that it has irrefutable evidence Russian involvement in the plane crash of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Antonov An-26 on July 14 in the Luhansk region. This Nalivaychenko told reporters in Kiev , reports RBC-Ukraine .
"Until tonight investigation will be completed. Irrefutable evidence will be presented with the cards ... there is overwhelming evidence that will be reported to the President, and then published," - said Nalyvaychenko , answering journalists' questions, whether SBU evidence of involvement of the Russian Federation to the plane crash .
Recall, July 14 in the Luhansk region, in the area of anti-terrorist operations, was hit by a military transport aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Antonov An-26. As a result, according to the ATO forces, two crew members were taken prisoner by the rebels, fate still unknown 6 .
Representatives ATU forces claim that the plane was flying at an altitude of 6.5 km, and militants in the Donbas their means knock at that height it could not. Accordingly, the Information Center at the National Security Council suggested that the plane was shot down or Russian aircraft, or air defense of the Russian Federation .
Ook de zoveelste melding van een colonne militaire voertuigen afkomstig uit Rusland:twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 12:52:51#Russia is shelling Ukrainian cities, bombing them from the air and shooting down Ukrainian aircraft. @GermanyDiplo @AuswaertigesAmt reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:05:24#BreakingNews Another large Russian army convoy entered #Ukraine today and passed #Krasnodon about 0:20. https://t.co/vfPi3wfzEM reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 11:01:11#BreakingReports Ukrainian witnesses in #Suhodolsk report, Russian army vehicles were passing the town between 22:30 and 04:00 this morning. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 11:01:49They then split into two directions.If true, we could see these vehicles in #Luhansk and #Donetsk somewhen today. reageer retweet
quote:Russian invites diplomats to inspect shelling site
Russia has invited foreign military attaches to visit a border town where Moscow claims a Ukrainian shell has killed one person.
Russian news agencies quoted Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov on Tuesday as saying that the 18 attaches and a group of foreign journalists will visit the site on Tuesday afternoon.
He described the invitation as "an act of good will".
Pro-Russian rebels and Ukrainian government troops have fought each other for three months in eastern Ukraine, killing more than 400 people and displacing tens of thousands.
Moscow last week accused Ukraine of spreading the unrest to its territory.
Russian media reported Sunday that a Ukrainian shell had hit a building in the Russian town of Donetsk, killing one person and seriously injuring two others.
Ukraine denied firing shells onto foreign soil.
twitter:BBCDanielS twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 13:44:39Shrapnel scars. Russia went to a lot of effort to bring the military attaches here. All part of the information war http://t.co/X6WbRLV8Wh reageer retweet
twitter:BBCDanielS twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 13:40:48Military attaches from Europe being shown where a Russian man died after a shell came across the border from Ukraine http://t.co/jW4RfyDfeK reageer retweet
Dat zou dom zijn, dan is het voorspelbaar dat anderen rebellen in Rusland gaan bevoorraden.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 15:11 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
Zo zo, Rusland nu toch maar zich direct mee gaan bemoeien, las laatst een interessant artikel, als Rusland al ingrijpt, lijkt het me logischer dat ze gewoon de rebellen versterken niet een directe interventie?!
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 16:50:30#ATO center: 4 of 8 fr downed An-26 is saved & moved to safe. 2 crew members imprisoned. Faith of 2 remaining members unknown. #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 17:07:20Russian militants and regular forces killed 258 Ukrainian soldiers until today. 922 more were injured.#UkraineUnderAttack reageer retweet
twitter:VagelisKarmiros twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 17:03:52#Ukraine The numbers of dead civilians in #Snizhne climbed to 11, and 8 wounded. Search under the debris cont #Donbas http://t.co/7NDVAaN97R reageer retweet
quote:Soldiers killed in Ukraine, Kiev points at Moscow over air strike
At least six Ukrainian soldiers were killed in renewed attacks on government military posts and checkpoints by pro-Moscow separatists near the border with Russia, the Ukrainian military said on Tuesday.
There were also reports of an air strike killing four civilians in the small town of Snizhne, for which Kiev denied responsibility and appeared to point a finger at Russia - two days after Moscow threatened retaliation for the death of man when a shell landed on the Russian side of the border.
"Today at 7am (0400 GMT) an unknown plane carried out a bombing attack on Snizhne. The flight can be described only as a cynical provocation," Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's National Defence and Security Council, told reporters. [Reuters]
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 14:08 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Ook de zoveelste melding van een colonne militaire voertuigen afkomstig uit Rusland:twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 10:05:24#BreakingNews Another large Russian army convoy entered #Ukraine today and passed #Krasnodon about 0:20. https://t.co/vfPi3wfzEM reageer retweet
Volgens The Interpreter is het convoy te volgen via Youtube fimpjes adhv waarvan men de locatie bepaald.twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 21:50:11#Russia's increasingly overt invasion of #Ukraine has intensified. Here's Russian artillery entering #Donetsk http://t.co/ULTxt9cFbZ reageer retweet
A Shared EU – Russian Fictionquote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 21:35 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
9 EU countries ready to block economic sanctions against Russia
http://rt.com/business/172888-9-eu-block-sanctions-russia/
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 21:10:28Ukrainians commemorating victims of the Moscow Metro tragedy at the Russian embassy in Kiev #Ukraine http://t.co/3FwzbcxhNz reageer retweet
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 21:35 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
9 EU countries ready to block economic sanctions against Russia
http://rt.com/business/172888-9-eu-block-sanctions-russia/
De EU is een tandeloos geheel dat zichzelf verkoopt voor wat voordeel. Het verbaasd me eigenlijk niets. Zo zijn onze politici. Ze staan nergens voor. Het is slechts een van de vele indicaties dat de bestuurselite corrupt is. Dat is overigens wereldwijd een probleem.quote:
Ja, als dat nodig is om voor het juiste te staan wel jaquote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:29 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Ja, want jij wil natuurlijk dat de economie in de EU er op achteruit gaat.
Waar is het bewijs dat Rusland de rebellen steunt?quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:31 schreef Sharpdressedman het volgende:
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Ja, als dat nodig is om voor het juiste te staan wel ja
Waar komen die Russische tanks vandaan?quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:32 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Waar is het bewijs dat Rusland de rebellen steunt?
Van het Oekraense leger natuurlijk...quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:39 schreef Happel het volgende:
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Waar komen die Russische tanks vandaan?
Wanneer is er sprake van een bewijs? Als je zelf op een tank over de grensvan Rusland naar Oekraine rijdt in opdracht van het Kremlin? Is dat dan ook nog een geldig bewijs voor de mensen die niet op deze tank zitten? Hoeveel mensen kunnen er op een tnak plaatsnemen. Is dat aantal voldoende voor een meerderheid in een democratie?quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:32 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Waar is het bewijs dat Rusland de rebellen steunt?
Flikker toch op troll, daar hap ik niet eens opquote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:40 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Van het Oekraense leger natuurlijk...
Ja, natuurlijk. Dat lijkt me vrij plausibel.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:40 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Van het Oekraense leger natuurlijk...
Lijkt me logisch, bewijs dat de Russische overheid ze steunt maar dat is er niet. En de NAVO verzint dat.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:42 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Wanneer is er sprake van een bewijs? Als je zelf op een tank over de grensvan Rusland naar Oekraine rijdt in opdracht van het Kremlin? Is dat dan ook nog een geldig bewijs voor de mensen die niet op deze tank zitten? Hoeveel mensen kunnen er op een tnak plaatsnemen. Is dat aantal voldoende voor een meerderheid in een democratie?
Hoe zie jij dit soort zaken? Dat je wel vraag om bewijzen, maar niet schijnt te bevatten dat dit voor burger niet eenvoudig. Want je blijft aan je mede Fokkers maar vragen om bewijzen, zonder ze zelf ooit te leveren.
Het feit dat deze hele top van DPR uit moskovieten bestaat, die als beroep dit soort klussen klaren, is een hele sterke indicatie.
Van overgelopen soldaten heb je nog nooit gehoord natuurlijk.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:43 schreef Sharpdressedman het volgende:
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Flikker toch op troll, daar hap ik niet eens op![]()
Zelfs Euromaiden zegt dat:quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:43 schreef Happel het volgende:
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Ja, natuurlijk. Dat lijkt me vrij plausibel.
Die T-72's is oud materiaal wat Rusland niet meer gebruikt en beschikbaar steld samen met nog wat andere voertuigen zoals BMP's en trucks. Het wordt met treinen richting de grens gevoerd waar 'strijders' die in de regio Rostov vermoedelijk hun kamp hebben, worden opgeleid om de tanks te busturen. Om de paar dagen komen nieuwe tanks binnen zodat het niet al te veel opvalt. Op deze manier brengt Rusland het conflict in balans om onderhandelingen af te dwingen met de Oekranse regering.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:40 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Van het Oekraense leger natuurlijk...
Wat kan een burger volgens jou bewijzen?quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:45 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Lijkt me logisch, bewijs dat de Russische overheid ze steunt maar dat is er niet. En de NAVO verzint dat.
Nee, dat zegt niks over Russische overheid steun.
Niet zelf maar bewijs wat door anderen is vrijgegeven.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:47 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Wat kan een burger volgens jou bewijzen?
Hoe voorkom je dat de wereldbevolking is overgeleverd aan de willekeur van de bestuurselite. Als mensen moeten wachten tot de bestuurselite zelf de nodige info vrijgeeft, dan is dat onvoldoende.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:49 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Niet zelf maar bewijs wat door anderen is vrijgegeven.
Die hebben ze gekocht in de militaire surplus winkel om de hoek.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:39 schreef Happel het volgende:
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Waar komen die Russische tanks vandaan?
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 21:03:11On July 15 @ #Amvrosiivka 3 battalions of the 72nd brigade got shelled by GRAD. 4 KIA, >10 WIA. 3 got killed instantly,the 4th bled to death reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 21:05:08The 72nd brigade @ #Amvrosiivka has been shelled w GRAD over last 4 days. Ask for air support - can't allow. Ask to relocate - can't do. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:00:33Thank God. #Ukraine air force has not just learned to fly @ night but having precision raids on targets. Just moments ago bombed a column. reageer retweet
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:05:3330 min ago #RUS army fr #RUS territory shelled #Ukraine army positions in #Amvresiivsk. reageer retweet
Aannames, geen bewijs. De filmpjes zijn wel bewijs die het tegendeel bewijzen.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:45 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Van overgelopen soldaten heb je nog nooit gehoord natuurlijk.
Neville Chamberlain zou er trots op zijn!quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:29 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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De EU is een tandeloos geheel dat zichzelf verkoopt voor wat voordeel. Het verbaasd me eigenlijk niets. Zo zijn onze politici. Ze staan nergens voor. Het is slechts een van de vele indicaties dat de bestuurselite corrupt is. Dat is overigens wereldwijd een probleem.
Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblogtwitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 02:52:11BREAKING #Ekaterynovka,near #Luhansk, is on fire as a result of night shelling @StopRussia2014 http://t.co/DJzlDTRspC http://t.co/HXY3mQD6u1 reageer retweet
twitter:ofehr_en twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:26:17#Novorossiya, 16.7.2014 - Heavy losses for Kiev. Rumors that the losses of pro-Kiev forces are higher than... http://t.co/dOoJawFMzO reageer retweet
twitter:Truth_Seeker_11 twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:38:22Another soldier from 72nd brigade calls TV, says they lost 40 armored units and are getting hit by shells constantly https://t.co/QbmOTbBHpL reageer retweet
quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 10:46 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Dmitry Tymchuk’s Military Blog: Summary – July 15, 2014
En daaruit geciteerd
Here today, for example, the RNBO [National Security and Defense Council] came up with a puzzle. The town of Snizhne in Donetsk Oblast [region] was hit with an airstrike. Our aviation did not even rise into the air [today]. Experts at the ATO headquarters argue that terrorists have no a priori aviation at their disposal. [So] here’s the question: who could have inflicted this blow? The RNBO coined the term, an “unknown aircraft.” So whose plane can this be, if not the ATO forces’ or the insurgents’, how many options are left? Meanwhile, 11 civilians were killed …
Mensen die stellen dat objectiviteit onnodig is, dat je voldoende hebt aan de meerdere bronnen die ieder voor eigen parochie preken, moeten maar eens uitleggen wat je hiermee moet aanvangen.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 11:07 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Snizhne Gisteren
A Bomb Seemingly Misses Its Mark in Ukraine, and 11 More Civilians Die
Speaking to VICE News, Sergey, a rebel commander in Snizhne, said that the Ukrainian suggestion that the explosives had been dropped by Russian plane was "lies."
They are fighting a propaganda war, he added. "There is no reason for Russia to bomb us."
The position of a large rebel base, about 650 feet from where the bomb dropped, leaves open the possibility that Ukrainian forces may have misfired and dropped short of their intended target.
Iedereen weet al dat Rusland de rebellen versterkt dus dat risico nemen ze toch al langquote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 16:25 schreef ATan het volgende:
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Dat zou dom zijn, dan is het voorspelbaar dat anderen rebellen in Rusland gaan bevoorraden.
Als de bestuurselite bewijs had hadden ze het allang vrijgegeven, ze hebben er niks aan om het niet vrij te geven.quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 22:56 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Hoe voorkom je dat de wereldbevolking is overgeleverd aan de willekeur van de bestuurselite. Als mensen moeten wachten tot de bestuurselite zelf de nodige info vrijgeeft, dan is dat onvoldoende.
Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat de bestuurselite in de VS en Europa best weet wat er in Oekraine gebeurd. Het zijn wij burgers die zoek gespeeld worden. Een punt wat jij niet wilt begrijpen.
Het zijn echter geen T-72's...quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 23:19 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
De pro-Russen hebben de beschikking over in Rusland gemaakte T-72's, dat is duidelijk. Het Oekranse leger heeft zelf bijna geen T-72's meer in bedrijf, het grootste deel is verkocht en onderdelen kunnen ze er niet meer krijgen, daarom staan er ook veel in dat depot bij Charkov. De T-72's zijn dus maar matig inzetbaar voor het Oekranse leger. De T-64 en T-84 zijn echter in Oekrane gemaakt, en vooral die eerste zijn veel van aanwezig en zijn de laatste jaren geupgrade.
Daarnaast zijn de T-72's van de pro-Russen voorzien van Reactive Armor, onder andere aan de zijkant. De meeste Oekranse modellen, op enkele na hebben dit niet. Ook de camo wrap lijkt anders dan die van de Oekranse.
De bestuurselite is verwikkeld in een machtsspel en dat spelen ze niet met open kaart. De bestuurselite heeft er groot belang bij om de bevolking dom te houden, want daarop berust hun macht.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 11:29 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Als de bestuurselite bewijs had hadden ze het allang vrijgegeven, ze hebben er niks aan om het niet vrij te geven.
quote:BRICS stand against Western sanctions: Russian foreign minister
(Reuters) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday that the BRICS bloc stood against one-sided economic and political measures by third countries, but that the emerging nations were not seeking confrontation with the West.
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The United States has imposed sanctions against Russia including asset freezes and visa bans against officials and businessmen thought to be close to President Vladimir Putin in response to the annexation of Crimea. The summit was largely seen as an opportunity for Putin to boost his geopolitical sway amid isolation from the West over the crisis in Ukraine.
quote:BRICS set up bank to counter Western hold on global finances
(Reuters) - Leaders of the BRICS emerging market nations launched a $100 billion development bank and a currency reserve pool on Tuesday in their first concrete step toward reshaping the Western-dominated international financial system.
De T-64BV is de laatste serie van de productie en gelijkwaardig aan de T-72. Als dat waar is wat je beweert heeft het Oekranse leger wel hele zware verliezen geleden, want dan zijn ze naast de vernietigde tanks ook nog tientallen tanks kwijt aan de pro-Russen. Maar ik geloof nog steeds niet dat het Oekranse leger zich zo makkelijk laat bestelen van zijn artillerie.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 11:32 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Het zijn echter geen T-72's...
Images of T-64 MBTs (at first wrongly identified at T-72s) in rebel hands in east Ukraine first emerged on 12 June, which were claimed by both the MoD and NATO to have been shipped across the Russian border.
http://www.janes.com/arti(...)-64-mbt-near-donetsk
Oekraine heeft meer dan 4000 tanks.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 11:46 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
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De T-64BV is de laatste serie van de productie en gelijkwaardig aan de T-72. Als dat waar is wat je beweert heeft het Oekranse leger wel hele zware verliezen geleden, want dan zijn ze naast de vernietigde tanks ook nog tientallen tanks kwijt aan de pro-Russen.
Er zijn mensen in het leger die niet loyaal aan Kiev.quote:Maar ik geloof nog steeds niet dat het Oekranse leger zich zo makkelijk laat bestelen van zijn artillerie.
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 02:01:40Ukrainian units trying to close the border with #Russia near Izvaryne (#Luhansk) are surrounded by Russian forces & now face annihilation reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:17:38Situation near Snizhne (border) #Ukraine remains critical. Artillery inside #Russia is reportedly directing accurate fire at UA positions. reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 09:26:18National Guard repelled attack near #Marynivka, 3injured. Combat continues near Tarany http://t.co/ezbeDgOGlF |EMPR http://t.co/91KhuKCvr9 reageer retweet
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 09:28:18#ATO positions near Provallia, #Lugansk region, were shelled with BM-21 Grad. Casualties reported, #Tymchuk https://t.co/NWYMsET6aw |EMPR reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:50:55There is a report of an attempted assassination of #Ukraine's interior minister. This is a developing story. reageer retweet
Deel dat getal maar door 2, en daarvan 25-50% in bedrijf. Ik denk dat 500 gevechtsklare tanks al zeer positief is.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 12:04 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Oekraine heeft meer dan 4000 tanks.
Uiteindelijk gaat het alleen maar om bevoorrading.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 13:35 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
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Deel dat getal maar door 2, en daarvan 25-50% in bedrijf. Ik denk dat 500 gevechtsklare tanks al zeer positief is.
Al meer van bekend?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 12:34 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:50:55There is a report of an attempted assassination of #Ukraine's interior minister. This is a developing story. reageer retweet
quote:Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 11:38 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Intussen zijn de video en het bijbehorende artikel op de RT-website verwijderd. Om wat voor reden dan ook.
quote:Russia Today’s “Genocide in Eastern Ukraine”: Sick, distorted and deleted
The Kremlin-funded TV channel Russia Today has first shown, and then removed, a film in which it claims that ’the junta’ in Kyiv and its ’Nazi mercenaries’ are carrying out genocide, ethnic cleansing and starving its population, while children are being taught Nazi slogans and salutes.
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twitter:wavetossed twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 11:11:40Seems that Arsen Avakov, #Kyiv junta's police minister, was wounded and is in serious conditon. #Donetsk #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 10:44 schreef theNull het volgende:
Hmm, ik zie verschillende tweets over dat het oekrainse leger sinds gister (avond) zware verliezen lijdt. Ben benieuwd waar nu de waarheid ligt.
'The South pocket' is de slurf van het gele gebied, onder het bruine gebied, dat Oekraine bezet houd. Dit maakt deel uit van de poging om de grens te sluiten. Maar militair gezien is zo'n slurf moeilijk te verdedigen. Door het punt van contact met de rest van het gele gebied door te snijden is alle binnen de slurf ingesloten. De bevoorrading van dit gebied is problematisch.De grenspost Izvaryne wordt ook door Oekraine bezet gehouden en ligt helemaal ingesloten. Via Rusland kan het niet worden bevoorraad omdat Rusland de rebellen steunt.twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 13:05:18Agony of 6th Army in Stalingrad...errr...i mean, agony of 7000 #Ukraine troops in South pocket without food or water & under shelling, goes on. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 13:05:18Agony of 6th Army in Stalingrad...errr...i mean, agony of 7000 #Ukraine troops in South pocket without food or water & under shelling, goes on. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:32:40There are dead and wounded. Today and yesterday. No reinforcements, no food.400 liters of water for 400 people, a liter per day per person. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:38:53Brigade Commander said 2 stand. Of total company left 35 people, 1 vehicle, & should be 10 vehicles & 90 manpower. You can imagine the loss. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:45:35Seems #Ukraine forces are trying desperately escape the South pocket in large convoys !NAF SHOULD TRY HIT THEM HARD as THEY ATTEMPT SO ! reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:47:48Is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE hit HARD #Ukraine troops convoys that are trying flee from South Pocket in especial DESTROY their VEHICLES ! reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:05:341st attempt 2 breakout failed, Bat. Azov attempt attack Saur-Mogila almost made themselves get trapped (@highercause) http://t.co/I0OXU4JF4r reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:11:09However, i think they r trying make new escape attempt making single convoy with all armored vehicles they got. At least that's what i get. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:28:11Strelkov:Giant retreating Ukraine troops columns are coming across dam in Kozhevnia (S. to Dmitrovka) village. Trying escape from pocket. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 01:20:52NEWS FLASH:#Ukraine forces near Amvresiivsk just lost 8 KIA in GRAD attack. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:02:00NAF launched an offensive in Stepanivka, a strategic point. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 12:23:56NEWS FLASH :Izvarino cleared of #Ukraine troops. reageer retweet
twitter:Truth_Seeker_11 twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 14:05:58#Marinovka on the border has been taken by militia. Impossible for #Ukraine army to retreat now, Either surrender or cross to #Russia reageer retweet
Je bronnen zijn niet echt objectief he, maar 7000 troepen ingesloten, Oekrane heeft toch een luchtmacht?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 15:54 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 13:05:18Agony of 6th Army in Stalingrad...errr...i mean, agony of 7000 #Ukraine troops in South pocket without food or water & under shelling, goes on. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:32:40There are dead and wounded. Today and yesterday. No reinforcements, no food.400 liters of water for 400 people, a liter per day per person. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:38:53Brigade Commander said 2 stand. Of total company left 35 people, 1 vehicle, & should be 10 vehicles & 90 manpower. You can imagine the loss. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:45:35Seems #Ukraine forces are trying desperately escape the South pocket in large convoys !NAF SHOULD TRY HIT THEM HARD as THEY ATTEMPT SO ! reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op dinsdag 15-07-2014 om 23:47:48Is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE hit HARD #Ukraine troops convoys that are trying flee from South Pocket in especial DESTROY their VEHICLES ! reageer retweet
[ afbeelding ]twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:05:341st attempt 2 breakout failed, Bat. Azov attempt attack Saur-Mogila almost made themselves get trapped (@highercause) http://t.co/I0OXU4JF4r reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:11:09However, i think they r trying make new escape attempt making single convoy with all armored vehicles they got. At least that's what i get. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 00:28:11Strelkov:Giant retreating Ukraine troops columns are coming across dam in Kozhevnia (S. to Dmitrovka) village. Trying escape from pocket. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 01:20:52NEWS FLASH:#Ukraine forces near Amvresiivsk just lost 8 KIA in GRAD attack. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 10:02:00NAF launched an offensive in Stepanivka, a strategic point. reageer retweet
twitter:A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 12:23:56NEWS FLASH :Izvarino cleared of #Ukraine troops. reageer retweet
twitter:Truth_Seeker_11 twitterde op woensdag 16-07-2014 om 14:05:58#Marinovka on the border has been taken by militia. Impossible for #Ukraine army to retreat now, Either surrender or cross to #Russia reageer retweet
Geeft jij mij eens een echte objectieve bron.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:04 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Je bronnen zijn niet echt objectief he, maar 7000 troepen ingesloten, Oekrane heeft toch een luchtmacht?
Het was meer grappig bedoeld, als de informatie klopt dan is het verder ok, maar heeft Oekrane geen luchtmacht die ze in deze kunnen inzetten?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:07 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Geeft jij mij eens een echte objectieve bron.
Durven ze waarschijnlijk niet meer. Ze worden redelijk snel uit de lucht geschoten.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:11 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Het was meer grappig bedoeld, als de informatie klopt dan is het verder ok, maar heeft Oekrane geen luchtmacht die ze in deze kunnen inzetten?
Vliegtuigen worden neergehaald (twee dagen geleden is een AN-26 neergeschoten). Maar ik ben geen militair deskundige.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:11 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Het was meer grappig bedoeld, als de informatie klopt dan is het verder ok, maar heeft Oekrane geen luchtmacht die ze in deze kunnen inzetten?
Ik mag niet meer lachen om een bron, jammer, maar goed dat je dit bijhoudt in ieder geval zeer interessant.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:19 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Vliegtuigen worden neergehaald (twee dagen geleden is een AN-26 neergeschoten). Maar ik ben geen militair deskundige.
Dat je het grappig bedoeld betekent wss dat je nog een kind bent. Ik heb de afgelopen maanden heel wat beelden van slachtoffers gezien. Er gebeurd hier niets dat grappig is.
Dat ook inderdaad, maar 7000 troepen, die kan je toch niet aan lot overlaten daar.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:16 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:
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Durven ze waarschijnlijk niet meer. Ze worden redelijk snel uit de lucht geschoten.
Ze willen zelf geen wapenstilstand, dan is het verlies van 7000 man + wapens de consequentie.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:23 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Dat ook inderdaad, maar 7000 troepen, die kan je toch niet aan lot overlaten daar.
Het zijn toch Oekraense soldaten?!quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:28 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
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Ze willen zelf geen wapenstilstand, dan is het verlies van 7000 man + wapens de consequentie.
Klopt, maar Kiev heeft nog geen wapenstilstand uitgeroepen geloof ik.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:29 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Het zijn toch Oekraense soldaten?!
Maar was daar wel zelf voorstander van, ok het was een regeling met Rusland, maar die rebellen hebben zelf ook niet laten zien een wapenstilstand een fantastisch idee te vinden.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:30 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
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Klopt, maar Kiev heeft nog geen wapenstilstand uitgeroepen geloof ik.
Komt omdat er ook bijna niemand is om er op toe te zien. Bij een wapenstilstand hoort ook dat je geen troepen verplaatst of nieuwe posities inneemt, beide partijen deden dat de laatste keer.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:40 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Maar was daar wel zelf voorstander van, ok het was een regeling met Rusland, maar die rebellen hebben zelf ook niet laten zien een wapenstilstand een fantastisch idee te vinden.
Maar zelfs dan hoef je nog geen 7000 troepen te laten omkomen bij wijze van spreken (of misschien letterlijk ondertussen), en die zogenaamd gewonde minister is ook weinig meer van te horen, ik wil eerst even de nieuwsberichten afwachten wat betreft deze situatie.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:44 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
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Komt omdat er ook bijna niemand is om er op toe te zien. Bij een wapenstilstand hoort ook dat je geen troepen verplaatst of nieuwe posities inneemt, beide partijen deden dat de laatste keer.
Onzin, Oekrane wou het zelf niet. De rebellen, Rusland en de EU wel.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:40 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Maar was daar wel zelf voorstander van, ok het was een regeling met Rusland, maar die rebellen hebben zelf ook niet laten zien een wapenstilstand een fantastisch idee te vinden.
Wat gek, de Oekrane wil niet dat er mensen vliegtuigen uit de lucht schieten. Dat zouden ze natuurlijk gewoon moeten toe laten. Toch?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:51 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Onzin, Oekrane wou het zelf niet. De rebellen, Rusland en de EU wel.
De rebellen kwamen tijdens het staakt-het-vuren met een totaal onrealistisch eisenpakket om berhaupt aan de onderhandelingstafel aan te schuiven. Op die manier wordt het ook niks.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:51 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Onzin, Oekrane wou het zelf niet. De rebellen, Rusland en de EU wel.
Natuurlijk willen ze dat niet. Net als Hitler ook niet wou dat zijn vliegtuigen uit de lucht worden geschoten.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:54 schreef malleable het volgende:
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Wat gek, de Oekrane wil niet dat er mensen vliegtuigen uit de lucht schieten. Dat zouden ze natuurlijk gewoon moeten toe laten. Toch?
Dat is jouw mening. Maar Oekrane wou het staakt-het-vuren niet verlengen, terwijl de rebellen, Rusland en de EU dat wel wouden.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:54 schreef Igen het volgende:
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De rebellen kwamen tijdens het staakt-het-vuren met een totaal onrealistisch eisenpakket om berhaupt aan de onderhandelingstafel aan te schuiven. Op die manier wordt het ook niks.
Wat verwacht jij dat een overheid doet als er gewapende troepen strategische punten bezetten?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:54 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Natuurlijk willen ze dat niet. Net als Hitler ook niet wou dat zijn vliegtuigen uit de lucht worden geschoten.
Je punt?
Aanvallen natuurlijk, net als Hitler ook 'zijn land' verdedigde.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:56 schreef malleable het volgende:
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Wat verwacht jij dat een overheid doet als er gewapende troepen strategische punten bezetten?
Een staakt-het-vuren dat niet wordt nageleefd en waarbij beide kanten niet bereid zijn om over echte vrede te onderhandelen is ook niks waard.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:56 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Dat is jouw mening. Maar Oekrane wou het staakt-het-vuren niet verlengen, terwijl de rebellen, Rusland en de EU dat wel wouden.
Het werd niet nageleefd door de regering waardoor de rebellen dat natuurlijk ook niet meer doen.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:57 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Een staakt-het-vuren dat niet wordt nageleefd en waarbij beide kanten niet bereid zijn om over echte vrede te onderhandelen is ook niks waard.
Mijn punt is dat als je gewapende troepen een ander land in stuurt je schuldig bent aan het starten van een oorlog. Net als Hitler was.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:57 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Aanvallen natuurlijk, net als Hitler ook 'zijn land' verdedigde.
Wat is je punt nou?
Er is geen enkel bewijs dat Rusland doet.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:01 schreef malleable het volgende:
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Mijn punt is dat als je gewapende troepen een ander land in stuurt je schuldig bent aan het starten van een oorlog. Net als Hitler was.
quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:59 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Het werd niet nageleefd door de regering waardoor de rebellen dat natuurlijk ook niet meer doen.
Blijf het maar herhalen dan ga je het vanzelf geloven.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:03 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Er is geen enkel bewijs dat Rusland doet.
Dat is jou mening.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:59 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Het werd niet nageleefd door de regering waardoor de rebellen dat natuurlijk ook niet meer doen.
Stoer.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:04 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Alsjeblieft, ik hoop dat je je erin verslikt.
Ik heb ook een interview van een ex-Al Qaida strijder die zegt dat Al Qaida gesteund wordt door Isral en de VS. Is dat volgens jou ook bewijs?quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:05 schreef malleable het volgende:
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Blijf het maar herhalen dan ga je het vanzelf geloven.
http://www.theguardian.co(...)rn-ukraine-interview
Volgens mij was het Oekrane wat zelf, zonder steun van wie dan ook, een wapenstilstand heeft afgekondigd.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 16:51 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Onzin, Oekrane wou het zelf niet. De rebellen, Rusland en de EU wel.
Nee.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:07 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Volgens mij was het Oekrane wat zelf, zonder steun van wie dan ook, een wapenstilstand heeft afgekondigd.
Jawel.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:07 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Nee.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28225517
Die is van 20 juni..quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:10 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Jawel.
http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)and-van-week-af.html
Door deze actie werd er berhaupt over wapenstilstanden onderhandeld.
Dat is waar, maar Oekrane wou het niet verlengen en verbrak het eerste staakt-het-vuren zelf.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:13 schreef Taxandria het volgende:
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Dat is wat ik zeg, Oekrane was al eerder, daar doelde ik op.
Het is niet zo raar als Oekrane het niet verlengt als de rebellen net doen alsof er geen wapenstilstand is.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:14 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Dat is waar, maar Oekrane wou het niet verlengen en verbrak het eerste staakt-het-vuren zelf.
Het staak het vuren was keer op keer verbroken door de russische terroristen.quote:Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 17:14 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
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Dat is waar, maar Oekrane wou het niet verlengen en verbrak het eerste staakt-het-vuren zelf.
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