Heb je niets geleerd van de Edward Snowden leaks? Dit is dezelfde vraag die ze Glenn Greenwald stelden: Waarom hou je je ook niet bezig met Ukraine? En met Wit-Rusland?quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:44 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Deelnemer, waarvandaan jouw interesse in Oekraine en afwezigheid in de Irak, Syrie en Israel-Palestijn topics?
Zoveel tijd heb ik niet. Ik wilde eens kijken in hoeverre je de ontwikkelingen kan volgen, gebruikmakend van de hetgeen thuis mbv het internet eenvoudig beschikbaar is. Oekraine is een redelijk goed afgebakend onderwerp, en het maakt deel uit van het Europese continent.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:44 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Deelnemer, waarvandaan jouw interesse in Oekraine en afwezigheid in de Irak, Syrie en Israel-Palestijn topics?
Om eerlijk te zijn niet. Tijd lang mezelf afgesloten van nieuws en politiek. Heb dus geen idee wat je hier zegtquote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:53 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Heb je niets geleerd van de Edward Snowden leaks? Dit is dezelfde vraag die ze Glenn Greenwald stelden: Waarom hou je je ook niet bezig met Ukraine? En met Wit-Rusland?
Duidelijk.quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:54 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Zoveel tijd heb ik niet. Ik wilde eens kijken in hoeverre je de ontwikkelingen kan volgen, gebruikmakend van de hetgeen thuis mbv het internet eenvoudig beschikbaar is. Oekraine is een redelijk goed afgebakend onderwerp, en het maakt deel uit van het Europese continent.
NWS / Monitoring NSA in de VS en erbuiten, deel 8quote:Op dinsdag 8 juli 2014 23:59 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
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Om eerlijk te zijn niet. Tijd lang mezelf afgesloten van nieuws en politiek. Heb dus geen idee wat je hier zegt.
Welk geheel? Alle revoluties op de wereld? Dat is een hoop om te coveren, hoor.quote:Iig, viel op me op dat deelnemer (met zijn updates en meningen) jammer genoeg niet in de door mij genoemde topics te vinden is, terwijl ook die situaties niet onbelangrijk zijn in het geheel, toch?
Pilot Savchenko is in voorarrest gevangenis in Rusland - mediatwitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 20:33:44A female Ukrainian pilot taken prisoner by (pro) RU fighters has been handed over to #Russia and put in prison there http://t.co/ZLtJBWx0QR reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 17:25:141 of basements where (pro)RU kept hostages and prisoners in #Slavyansk, #Ukraine. #SimonOstrovsky may know this place http://t.co/B196ZOnjXm reageer retweet
twitter:45Zoroastro twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 20:55:15#Novorossiya #DNR announces death of journalist Oksana Shkoda http://t.co/8MEF5uH2fD http://t.co/uAG67EOq1d via @gbazov #Ukraine reageer retweet
Strelkov o.a. over de mogelijkheden om lokale mensen te werven voor de strijd.quote:Death correspondent Oksana Skoda in Slavyansk
The journalist Oksana Skoda died when departure militias from Slavyansk, said the militia Donetsk National Republic.
"According to the data received from Slavyansk Disappeared Journalist Oksana Skoda died ", - said in the video, posted by the channel Anna News."
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According to the source, they went out just before the entrance to the city of the Ukrainian army. However, their convoy was attacked by Ukrainian law-enforcers.
quote:Reuters
Igor Strelkov, a Russian from Moscow who is now the main rebel commander in the city, appeared to be disappointed at the number of volunteers coming forward for the rebels.
He told local rebel TV station that from July volunteers would be offered a monthly pay of 5,000-8,000 hryvnia ($430 to $690) to fight.
"Maybe this will help those people who are hesitating to find the strength in themselves and join the ranks," he said.
twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 08-07-2014 om 23:15:24Tomorrow #ATO soldier gets first salary, 1600 UAH. It's €100. (No joke) reageer retweet
Nog wat briefings van Strelkov (en anderen).twitter:lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 20:42:52#Girkin aka #Strelok promised to pay its mercenaries 5000 - 8000 UAH per month. #Ukraine #ATO reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 00:05:20Another video of the Russian invaders #Grad rocket attack vs. Ukrainian villages near #Luhansk on Monday. https://t.co/XhZtAA1urP #Ukraine reageer retweet
quote:Ukrainian military firing rocket system BM-21 "Grad" on mine residents.
Het is triest.quote:
Hier interviewt men een 'deskundige'. Hij vraag zich af "whether Kiev has the resources to take on a city as large as Donetsk is". Dat is de vraag, want we weten al dat de nadelen voor de bevolking Kiev en de VS niet interesseert. Hij framed het zo, dat alle aandacht uitgaat naar 1 handelende partij (Kiev). Zo merkt hij niet op, dat de ellende over is als de rebellen hun wapens neerleggen en vertrekken. De interviewer vraagt vervolgens niet hoe je dan wel een stad zuivert van rebellen, zonder de bevolking kapot te maken (Grozny?). Rebellen die in het tweede deel van het filmpje de grens controlepost Dolzhansky aanvallen (aka vredelievende protestanten, zie 3 mnd geleden).quote:
twitter:paulgypteau twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 10:00:07A pro-Russian rebel from the Vostok Battalion manning a checkpoint in #Donetsk http://t.co/hCSQcWPl7N reageer retweet
Aanvulling op post 32.quote:
He is convinced that Ukrainian law enforcement agencies had chosen the tactics of destroying the infrastructure and industrial enterprises.quote:No defensive measures are taken yet. The city is currently prepared for defense at the level Sloviansk was ready two months ago. So, defensive reinforcements can stop armored personnel carriers and some kind of national guards and interior troops. The city can defend itself from armored columns of the enemy with major difficulties. But we are taking urgent measures so that Donetsk will be ready for battle.
.quote:Sloviansk and Kramatorsk suffered an attack on militia’s positions and even city quarters, plants and industrial enterprises. There were neither roadblocks nor even checkpoints, however, artillery guns were pounding them constantly and massively.
They wanted to destroy the infrastructure as strongly as possible. Leave people jobless, without residence and all other belongings. To resolve the task of forcing people to flee, leave them without means of living even after combat actions are over. I believe that incumbent Ukrainian top state and military officials will not stop to do the same with Donetsk
quote:We cannot fight at half-strength. We cannot hope that somehow with small forces and with small means someone will be able to protect the republic. Serious mobilization measures are needed.
Unfortunately, resources for this, primarily weapons and ammunition were not prepared. There are none of them now. However, we would be able to arm, outfit and train several thousand volunteers, just slightly in the least. For a brief period of time. I believe that 80 thousand people would be enough to stop Ukrainian army.
Everything is still bad in our rear. We will be fighting and will stop them, but it will be very difficult to win in defense without more active participation of local residents of Donbass [the main Ukrainian coalmining region].
Starting from this month militias will be paid quite serious sums in local conditions from five to eight thousand hryvnias (from 15 to 23.5 thousand rubles) and we plan to introduce this pay from July. May be this will help people who hesitate now, cannot decide to join the ranks of militia. So, we will be creating a contract army.
quote:No weapons brought across Russian-Ukrainian border during conflict
ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 9./ITAR-TASS/.
Since the beginning of the conflict, Russian border guards have detected no cases of transfer of arms, ammunition and military equipment across the border," a spokesman for the Border Guard Department of the Russian Federal Security Service, Leonid Smyk, told reporters on Wednesday.
quote:Foreign media reports shown damaged Russian border-crossing point to Ukraine
Foreign media representatives arrived in the Rostov Region in southern Russia on an initiative of the association of foreign correspondents accredited in Moscow to clarify the situation in regions bordering Ukraine.
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The example of Crimea - a region that did not recognize the authorities imposed during a coup in Ukraine in February and seceded from the country to accede to Russia in March - apparently inspired residents of Ukraine’s Southeast, who supported the country’s federalization. The residents started massive protests and formed militias.
The Donetsk and Luhansk regions bordering Russia held referendums on May 11, in which most voters supported independence from Ukraine. South Ossetia has recognized the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. No other countries have followed suit so far.
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quote:Rusland houdt Oekraοense piloot vast
Oekraοne beschuldigt Rusland van ontvoering van een Oekraοense vrouwelijke helikopterpiloot. De vrouw, Nadia Savtsjenko, zit in een Russische gevangenis.
Ze is aangeklaagd voor betrokkenheid bij de dood van twee Russische verslaggevers. Oekraοne eist haar vrijlating.
De vrouw was betrokken bij grondgevechten tegen pro-Russische separatisten bij de Oekraοense stad Loehansk.
De Oekraοense president Petro Porosjenko laat onderzoeken hoe de vrouw in Rusland is terechtgekomen. Porosjenko denkt dat ze is ontvoerd.
Het Russische persbureau ITAR-TASS meldt dat de vrouw als ''vluchteling'' de grens over is gekomen. Maar volgens het Oekraοense ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken is ze waarschijnlijk gevangengenomen door de separatisten en de grens over gesmokkeld.
Wandaden
''Dit is nog meer bevestiging dat de terroristen hun plannen maken en wandaden plegen in nauwe samenwerking met de Russische inlichtingendiensten'', aldus de verklaring.
''Door openlijk inwoners van Oekraοne te ontvoeren op het grondgebied van hun eigen land, schenden de Russische autoriteiten niet alleen alle internationale normen, maar gaan ze ook voorbij aan morele en fatsoensnormen.''
twitter:EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 16:37:04Mykola #Bondar, the Ataman of #Ukraine Cossacks army called to #Yarema,SBU Head to stop policy against #Maidan |EMPR http://t.co/elUh4Jt63K reageer retweet
quote:Prosecutor general says force an option when restoring order in Kyiv center
Ukraine's Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema has said he does not rule out the use of force if the residents of the tent camp on Independence Square and activists who remain in administrative buildings in the center of Kyiv offer armed resistance to law enforcement agencies during their eviction from the occupied territories.
Yarema said that according to latest reports, 19 government buildings remained captured in Kyiv.
quote:Klitschko against dispersal of Maidan by force
Kyiv Mayor and Head of Kyiv City State Administration Vitali Klitschko reiterated that he is against the dispersal of remaining Maidan activists by force.
"The dispersal of the Maidan using force would be an emergency measure. I'm not contemplating this and have never contemplated it," he told the journalists on Wednesday.
As earlier reported, Ukraine's Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema has said he does not rule out the use of force if the residents of the tent camp on Independence Square and activists who remain in administrative buildings in the center of Kyiv offer armed resistance to law enforcement agencies during their eviction from the occupied buildings.
quote:Separatists Using Tanks and Grad Rockets in Airport Attack
Over the course of the day, militants have been mounting a massive assault on Lugansk airport, which is under the control of Ukrainian security forces.
This was reported to Ukrainska Pravda by one of the soldiers at the airport.
"A massive attack is under way," he said.
"The afternoon brought shelling from two tanks and mortars. This was at 1 pm and 3 pm on Tuesday," said the source in the ATO to Ukrainska Pravda.
"There was a report that 2 BM-21 Grad launchers were on the move," said the source.
Meanwhile, Ukrainska Pravda's source at the airport, when asked if the militants were using Grad launchers against them as of 17:20 [14:20 GMT], replied:
"They're using everything. There is no air support."
As of 17:30, it was revealed that the Ukrainian air force had struck the militants.
quote:Ukraine’s army concentrate troops, hardware north of Luhansk
LUHANSK, July 09. /ITAR-TASS/.
The press service of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Luhansk (PRL) said on Wednesday:
"Ukraine’s army is pulling troops and hardware to the city of Luhansk,
About 150 armored vehicles, including armored personnel carriers, tanks and self-propelled mounts, as well as six Grad multiple rocket launchers, have been concentrated to the north of Luhansk, .
LPR army destroyed “one armored personnel carrier and three trucks supposedly delivering weapons” over the past 24 hours. The aggressor has lost about 50 men killed and wounded.
quote:Two militants' Grad rocket launchers destroyed by ATO forces
KYIV, July 9 /Ukrinform/.
Near the village of Dmytrivka on July 9 the Ukrainian military destroyed two Grad multiple rocket launchers, belonging to militants, spokesman for the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) Vladyslav Selezniov wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday.
"At 11.55 near the village of Dmytrivka the compounded battery of 2S3 [152.4 mm self-propelled artillery system “Akatsiya” - ed.] of a mechanized brigade made an aimed artillery strike on particular rebel positions. As a result of the effective action two BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers of the militants were destroyed," he said.
quote:Two killed, six wounded as Ukraine’s military shells east Ukraine’s Luhansk
LUHANSK, July 09./ITAR-TASS/.
At least two people were killed and six others wounded as Ukraine’s military shelled east Ukraine’s embattled Luhansk, the press office of the city’s council said on Wednesday. The Ukrainian military fired a total of 13 artillery shells, damaging buildings and infrastructure facilities in the cities, the press office said.
quote:and has never seriously challenged for the presidency.
ach communistische partij is toch een instrument van Rusland , ik snap het welquote:Op woensdag 9 juli 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukraine seeks to ban Communist Party
http://articles.economict(...)ukrainian-parliament
Erg democratisch.![]()
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twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 15:53:18Reports say the Ukr. army had to shoot in the air as some people in #Mariupol were outraged by the passage of up to 100 Ukr army vehicles. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 15:55:11Some people cheered and waved the passing troops, some showed their fists, others even jumped on the streets and insulted the soldiers. reageer retweet
twitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 23:26:21Another video from this evening shows endless Ukr. army convoy "30 km from #Donetsk city". https://t.co/u8vCQzBS7d #Ukraine reageer retweet
twitter:HarrietSalem twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 22:19:08As sun sets on #Donetsk #Ukraine forces advance. Multiple rocket launchers & T84 tanks now 15km south of city http://t.co/MNWs4iR9nZ reageer retweet
Mwah, alsof er in de periode Kuchma ooit ιchte verkiezingen zijn gehouden ...quote:Op woensdag 9 juli 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukraine seeks to ban Communist Party
http://articles.economict(...)ukrainian-parliament
Erg democratisch.![]()
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Dat was de beruchte hinderlaagtwitter:MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 09-07-2014 om 11:08:36Nadiya Savchenko fought with the National Guard #Battalion_Aidar in #Luhansk and was taken #POW on June, 18th. http://t.co/cKPnNZuMrC reageer retweet
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