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Hij wou echter wel samen werken:
Members of Bandera's Ukrainian nationalist movement thought that they had found a new powerful ally in Nazi Germany to aid them in their struggle against the Soviet Union.

En het belangrijkste: hij was een antisemiet, walgelijk dus om hem een nationale held te willen maken.
Oekraine voert momenteel een onafhankelijksoorlog tegen Rusland en herkent in Bandera een voorloper. Althans, zo zou je het kunnen zien, en er zijn er blijkbaar Oekrainers die dat zo zien.
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  donderdag 10 juli 2014 @ 22:50:19 #79
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Lugansk vandaag
RutheniaRus twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 11:23:37 #Lugansk, Terrorists kidnapped CEO City Football Federation and son RT @norestfor reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 13:04:40 #BreakingNews Fighting started north of #Luhansk. https://t.co/6zMYGlfVqm Sirens in the city yelling, smoke nearby. #Ukraine reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:52:42 #BreakingFootage Heavy Ukrainian artillery barrage at Russian militant positions north of #Luhansk. https://t.co/jh2gzULtS3 reageer retweet
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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 00:50:02 #80
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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:18:36 #BreakingNews Russian invaders blew up 2 more railway bridges tonight. Both leading from Ukr-reseized #Seversk into #Donetsk oblast. reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:58:43 #BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian army recaptured #Chervonopartyzansk border crossing in #Luhansk oblast tonight. reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:59:27 The crossing lies on the Ukrainian side of #Gukovo town in #Russia. reageer retweet
NorthResistance twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 19:11:13 Foreign Ministry expressed “its strong protest” over #Ukraine shelling of #Russia’s #Gukovo boarder checkpoint.Pls stop talk n start act! reageer retweet
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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 00:50:22 #81
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ChristopherJM twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:16:04 #Strelkov signed for execution of 3 men by firing squad - 1 for looting, 2 for kidnapping - in #Sloviansk http://t.co/sxmjNMT5Hk @mashable reageer retweet
maxseddon twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 23:00:02 Strelkov's order to execute Alexei Pichko for stealing two shirts and one pair of pants: http://t.co/Yw1TSDYpaL http://t.co/N1c9x8fVSC reageer retweet
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Documents Show Rebel Justice In East Ukraine Was Bureaucratic, Swift, And Merciless

The militia executed local residents for petty crimes under a decree dating from World War II. Transcripts were left behind by rebels.

SLOVYANSK, Ukraine — The men with guns came for Alexei Pichko in mid-afternoon, before the usual evening barrage of shells flew over this decrepit suburb of dilapidated shacks and half-burnt houses. When his mother went to look for him at the rebel headquarters in the security services building, they told her he was under arrest, but alive and well.

One month later, the men who took him have fled their stronghold in this sleepy east Ukrainian town, unable to sustain the Ukrainian army’s barrage of mortar fire, and retreated to Donetsk, the provincial capital. The building where he was held captive is now half-destroyed, lined with mulch and detritus. The only evidence of what has happened to him is on files found lying on the floor, coated in a thick film of dust, signed and stamped by the separatists’ feared commander.

“By order of the military-field tribunal of the [Donetsk People’s Republic] militia on 17.06.2014,” it reads, “I hereby proclaim that Aleksey Borisovich Pichko, resident of the city of Slovyansk, is sentenced for looting to an exceptional measure of punishment — execution by firing squad — on the basis of the Decree of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR “on martial law” from June 22nd, 1941.”

“The sentence has been carried out.”

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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 09:15:11 #82
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Ook aan de onderhandelingstafel verliezen de pro-Russen terrein.
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Klimkin: Last talks on east Ukraine held without Medvedchuk

KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.

The last trilateral meeting of the contact group involving Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE on the settlement of the conflict in the Donbas has been held without Ukrainian Choice movement leader Viktor Medvedchuk.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin said at a briefing in Kyiv on Thursday.

"[Medvedchuk] did not participate in the latest round of talks, however, he helped with the contacts," the Ukrainska Pravda online newspaper quoted Klimkin as saying.

The minister recalled that Medvedchuk does not represent Ukraine in the negotiations, but did not rule out his participation and "the participation of other mediators" in future meetings.
Meestal een symbolische bedrag van een paar miljoen (Duitsland doneerde 3,5 miljoen voor Slaviansk). TV en radio uitzendingen zijn belangrijk voor de info voorziening / propaganda. De VS ondersteunt ook de voortzetting van ATO (itt de EU).
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US ready to finance restoration of Donbas

KYIV, July 11 /Ukrinform/.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, during a phone conversation with U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden, had discussed international efforts on the implementation of his peace plan in the Donbas and the restoration of infrastructure in the areas that were freed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces from terrorists, the presidential press service has reported.

Poroshenko noted that today the Ukrainian authorities pay great attention to the restoration of proper living conditions in the liberated towns, in particular, on ensuring water and electricity supply, television and radio broadcasting, which were destroyed or significantly damaged by militants.

He noted that the revival of civilian life in the Donbas is a priority for Ukraine, given what residents had to endure during terrorist invasion on Ukrainian settlements.

Biden, in turn, expressed his admiration for the self-restraint and actions of Ukraine and reiterated continued support from the United States. Biden said that the United States was ready to consider financing projects to rebuild infrastructure in the Donbas, following the example of the German initiative for residents of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.

Biden also said that the United States stands ready to make efforts to expand support for Ukraine from international financial institutions.
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Sloviansk residents still in full information isolation - Lutkovska

KYIV, July 10 /Ukrinform/.

Sloviansk residents remain in information isolation and do not know what is really happening in the country, Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Valeria Lutkovska told a press briefing on Thursday.

"There is another problem for Sloviansk residents - they are in complete information vacuum. In fact, the square in front of the city council building is the only place where they can find some information," Lutkovska said.

The ombudsperson noted that the majority of citizens do not even know that during the time when they were ruled by separatists laws have been passed in the state and other steps have been taken for their protection and liberation. She also noted that now the locals due to absence of electricity and as a result - access to TV and radio - do not understand what is happening in Donbas.
Ach, wij ook niet.

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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 10:27:40 #84
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Dit is zo overduidelijk onwaar. Poroshenko wil alleen vredesonderhandeling onder de voorwaarde dat de rebellen zich gewonnen geven. Andere partijen stellen overigens ook voorwaarden die neerkomen op een (gedeeltelijke) overwinning. Maar niemand wil toegeven dat hij het vredesoverleg blokkeert.
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Ukraine's Poroshenko tells Biden that ceasefire offers rebuffed

(Reuters) - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko told U.S. Vice President Joe Biden that Russia and Ukrainian separatists had refused multiple proposals by Kiev for venues to negotiate a ceasefire, the White House said on Thursday.

The two discussed the situation in eastern Ukraine in a phone call.

"The Vice President told President Poroshenko that the United States was discussing with its partners in the international community the need to hold Russia accountable for its continued support for the separatists," the White House said.
Politieke spin omgeeft het hele conflict.


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Crimeas prosecutor says Kiev kills its people instead of protecting

SIMFEROPOL, July 10. /ITAR-TASS/.

Laws do not work in Ukraine and the authorities are killing people instead of protecting them, Crimeas Prosecutor Natalia Poklonskaya said on Thursday while visiting a refugee camp for Ukrainians in the village of Opushki near Crimeas capital Simferopol.

Asked about a possibility of forced migrants to assert their rights in Ukraine, the prosecutor replied with emotion: Look what is going on in Ukraine! What is the law there and who are the authorities protecting? A bunch of people who gathered together and dictate their conditions to the others and God knows what they are about?

Which law regulates murder of ordinary citizens? the CrimeaInform quoted Poklonskaya as saying. Who has given them a right to murder? The law does not work in Ukraine, there is none there.

The people who came here and are now enjoying protection of Russian law and Russia testify to this fact, she said.
Natalia Poklonskaya begrijpt niet dat het oorlog is in Oekraine. Twee partijen claimen jurisdictie over hetzelfde gebied. Als het een binnenlands conflict is heeft Kiev het recht de orde te herstellen. Als het een internationaal conflict is, kan alleen internationaal recht boven de partijen staan. En de annexatie van de Krim is in strijd met het internationaal recht.

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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 10:47:53 #85
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Ukraine reinforcing its positions on border with Russia’s Crimea

SIMFEROPOL, July 11. /ITAR-TASS/.

Ukrainian army keeps reinforcing its positions on the Crimean section of the state border with Russia, CrimeaInform reported from the Isthmus of Chongar which connects Crimea and the mainland.
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Operations are in full swing, Ukrainian military forces are digging trenches quickly. If separate firing points slightly deepened in the ground and imbedded with bags of sand were located at these places earlier, now these are full-scale trenches stretching in long lines at 100-200 metres one after another. No less than four lines of trenches are seen from Chongar deeply in Ukrainian territory. On their positions around five veiled infantry armoured vehicles, armoured assault vehicles and no less than two tanks T-64 are noticed. This is seen on a narrow neck of land running deep from checkpoint Chongar in the direction of railway stations Sivash and Novoalekseevka. Meanwhile, the very railway station Sivash was turned in a stronghold, its building was reinforced with bags of sand, the adjacent territory is also prepared for defense.
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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:58:43 #BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian army recaptured #Chervonopartyzansk border crossing in #Luhansk oblast tonight. reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 22:59:27 The crossing lies on the Ukrainian side of #Gukovo town in #Russia. reageer retweet
Three checkpoints in Russia's Rostov region stop operating amid shooting from Ukraine

ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 11. /ITAR-TASS/.
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The checkpoints Donetsk, Gukovo and Novoshakhtinsk are not functioning since yesterday. The customs staff was evacuated from all the three checkpoints, and the border guard department officers are staying there.

If anybody decides to cross the border in this situation, the border guards will let people pass.
Malayev said.

He added that shells have not exploded at the Russian checkpoints, however, there have been reports that a shell has fallen in the territory of the Gukovo settlement.

Casualties reported, 15 wounded, as bus with miners shelled in southeast Ukraine

LUHANSK, July 11. /ITAR-TASS/.

A bus with miners came under artillery gun fire in Ukraines south-eastern Luhansk region, 15 people were wounded. Several casualties were reported, the press service of Donbass fuel and energy company reported on Friday.
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A bus trafficking miners of Donbass fuel and energy companys Chervonopartizanskaya coalmine to their workplace came under mortar and artillery gun fire at around 5.40pm local time (6.40pm Moscow time) on Thursday, July 10. The companys personnel offers condolences to families of those killed.
Four miners killed, 16 injured after artillery shell hits bus in Chervonopartyzansk - DTEK

Four miners have been killed and 16 more injured after an artillery shell hit a bus carrying miners of DTEK's Chervonopartyzansk mine administration. DTEK Director General Maksym Tymchenko said
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Four have been killed, 16 wounded, and two seriously injured minersare in intensive care.
He also said that DTEK had decided to suspend the operation of four mines in the Luhansk region for safety to life and health of employees. Tymchenko noted that about 4,500 people worked at these mines.

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Izvaryne, n van de belangrijkste grensposten, is door het leger verovert op de rebellen.
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Ukrainian govt forces retake Izvaryne border checkpoint, Kyiv says

Ukrainian troops have seized control over the border checkpoint in Izvaryne, Luhansk region, the press center of the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) has reported.

The troops completed the task of restoring and unblocking the Ukrainian border and taking the border checkpoints in Chervonopartyzansk and Izvaryne, the ATO press center reported on Friday.


Gisteren
EuromaidanPR twitterde op donderdag 10-07-2014 om 21:45:21 #Russian border guard engineering units set up barbered wire along the border near Graniv, #Kharkiv region http://t.co/f9o2SM2xeF |EMPR reageer retweet


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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 12:10:16 #88
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Het Kiev standpunt uit de mond van de Zweedse minister van buitenlandse zaken Carl Bildt in een toespraak gehouden voor het 'Atlantic Council', een Amerikaanse denktank die Kiev begeleid in al haar diplomatieke & strategische stappen.

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Speech by Foreign Minister Carl Bildt at the Atlantic Council

But let’s be clear about one thing: this is a crisis initiated and driven by Russia in every single respect.

By starting its large-scale trade and economic pressure on Ukraine.

By more or less forcing then President Yanukovych to turn around and refuse to sign the EU agreement that he had negotiated and endorsed.

By then encouraging him to use violence to suppress the large Maidan demonstrations that erupted as a result.

By invading, occupying and annexing Crimea as President Yanukovych, for reasons that are still not entirely clear, abandoned the February 21 agreement, his presidency and his country.

By having the Federation Council approve authorisation for invading all of Ukraine, and then massing forces along its borders.

By launching a massive information and propaganda war not only against Ukraine’s European aspirations, but also to fuel fears and encourage divisions inside the country.

And by encouraging and supporting an armed insurrection to fracture the country, obviously aiming at the setting up of a Novorossiya semi-state in its eastern and southern parts.

This was and is a destabilising strategy of an order we have not seen in our part of the world for a long time.

The consequences of this succeeding would be profound. Certainly for Ukraine, but obviously well beyond that.

[...]

Russia must understand that we will never recognise the annexation of Crimea, and that it will burden our relationship for as long as it lasts.

And Russia must accept that Ukraine, like the other countries of the Eastern Partnership, truly has the right to continue on its democratic path and to choose its own European direction.

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Lukashenko heeft een punt
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Lukashenko blames Ukrainian crisis on crooked politicians

Minsk/Vitebsk - Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has blamed the Ukrainian crisis on crooked politicians who disrupted the nation's unity.
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Insluiten die terroristen
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Insluiten die terroristen
precies, en dan kapot maken.
Our business in the field of fight, Is not to question, but to prove our might.
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precies, en dan kapot maken.
Liever dat ze gewoon massaal de grens overgaan naar Rusland, en daar vervolgens blijven.
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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 14:01:10 #94
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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:18:54 BREAKING 30 #Ukrainian soldiers killed&more than 100wounded in #Zelenopillya, #Luhansk oblast -to be confirmed https://t.co/ohOphmCFdv (2/2) reageer retweet
Bloedbad onder militairen Oekrane

In het oosten van Oekrane heeft een raketaanval van rebellen op een grenspost het leven gekost aan 30 militairen en grenswachten, zegt een regeringswoordvoerder. Het dodental kan volgens hem nog oplopen.

De rebellen gebruikten een lanceerinstallatie die in 20 seconden 40 katjoesja-raketten kan afvuren.

De grenspost aan de Russische grens in de provincie Lugansk werden in de vroege ochtend onder vuur genomen. De woordvoerder liet weten dat een Oekraense reactie niet lang op zich zal laten wachten.

Verlies
Als het dodental wordt bevestigd, is dit het grootste verlies aan Oekraense kant sinds eind juni, toen door Kiev een eenzijdig bestand werd afgekondigd. Midden juni werd een Oekraens militair vliegtuig met 49 inzittenden neergehaald.

Het Oekraense leger is bezig met een opmars, met als belangrijkste wapenfeit de herovering van Slavjansk.

djp3tros twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:41:16 Drama near Zelenopole: entire Ukrainian convoy destroyed? 50 killed 100 wounded? http://t.co/XlOTiGgYP3 http://t.co/DprmIDMbBG reageer retweet


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lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:46:14 It's true&cnfrmd by eyewitness. 1st battalion 79th regiment is basically gone. 50 KIA, 150WIA https://t.co/9ZkbknLkKq http://t.co/VdO1i7cvsg reageer retweet
lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:24:39 1st brigade 79th regiment camp was scouted by UAVs & shelled after, which all came fr #RUS side. This is 1st incident DIRECTLY by #RUS army. reageer retweet
lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 13:39:02 24th brigade is right now under GRAD shelling. 30 remained alive, 50 KIA, over 100 WIA.No reinforcement.Last tank hit http://t.co/KqWbvxeGVf reageer retweet
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ja ja... seperatisten...

seperatisten my ass...

gewoon Russen...
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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 09:37:51 #Donetsk airport, #Dovzhansky BCP under terrorists' mortar attack at night. No losses on #ATO side, Tymchuk https://t.co/d4ixBMpfkk |EMPR reageer retweet
EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 09:18:30 Terrorists send letters with threats to 15 #Ukrainian journalists, Dmytro #Tymchuk listed first http://t.co/OFPsixZP3g |EMPR reageer retweet
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ja ja... seperatisten...

seperatisten my ass...

gewoon Russen...
lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:36:54 Just in: Update came regarding GRAD shelling. It might have come as from #RUS, also as inside from #Luhansk region. Developing. #Ukraine. reageer retweet
lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:50:52 Right now the GRAD incident is investigated as possible GRAD shelling inside #Luhansk region w reconnaissance done w long range UAV drone. reageer retweet
Zolang het gaat om dit soort spullen is het kleinschalige Russische ondersteuning. Net voldoende om de rebellen Oost-Oekraine te laten destabiliseren. Het wordt volgens mij wel geleid door russen, zoals Igor Strelkov.
lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 12:26:27 It's confirmed, #RUS tanks T-72s has been spotted in #Luhansk. 2 by #ATO scouts. By night will be 5 in total. #Ukraine reageer retweet


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  vrijdag 11 juli 2014 @ 14:45:41 #99
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'Tientallen Oekraense militairen gedood door separatisten'

Mogelijk dertig Oekraense militairen en grenswachten zijn vrijdag omgekomen door een raketaanval van pro-Russische separatisten in het oosten van Oekrane.


Dat heeft een adviseur van minister Arsen Avakov van Binnenlandse Zaken vrijdag laten weten.

De aanval had rond 5.00 uur in de ochtend (plaatselijke tijd) plaats bij de grensovergang in Zelenopillja in de regio Loehansk.

De adviseur sloot niet uit dat er nog meer slachtoffers zijn gevallen, omdat de separatisten, door hem aangeduid als ''bloeddorstig uitschot'', veel raketten hebben afgevuurd en er veel vernielingen zijn aangericht.

Als het aantal doden inderdaad zo hoog is, is het de zwaarste aanval van de separatisten op regeringsmilitairen sinds president Petro Porosjenko begin vorige week een eenzijdig staakt-het-vuren opzegde.

Separatisten
Eerder op vrijdag maakte de Oekraense legerleiding bekend dat bij een luchtaanval bij de Oekranse grensplaats Izvarino zeker vijftig pro-Russische separatisten zijn gedood.

De luchtaanval was gericht op een ''concentratie separatisten vlak bij Izvarino'', dat aan de grens met Rusland ligt.

Offensief
De Oekraense troepen zijn ten westen van Donetsk, in Oost-Oekrane, begonnen aan een grote aanval om de separatisten tot overgave te dwingen.

In april startte het regering van Oekrane een grootschalige 'anti-terroristische operatie' in het oosten van het land om de pro-Russische separatisten te verdrijven. Bij gevechten tussen de rebellen en de militairen zijn al honderden mensen, overwegend militanten, omgekomen.
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lennutrajektoor twitterde op vrijdag 11-07-2014 om 14:57:42 Per #Tymchuk report the shelling came fr close location of #RUS border. So it's unclear was it #RUS terrorists or #RUS regular army. reageer retweet
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