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Amerikaanse oorlogsschepen naar Libi
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Dingen die je kan doen om de revolutie te steunen
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De kans is juist extreem klein. Welk Arabisch land acht je zo achterlijk om de VS openlijk aan te vallen? En al helemaal niet om Gadaffi, die toch al niet zo geliefd is in de regio.quote:Op woensdag 2 maart 2011 20:44 schreef aerdt het volgende:
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Klopt, maar zodra je libische vliegtuigen gaat neerschieten is het plotseling een oorlogsituatie. Als er dan ook nog eens commando's landen op libische grond dan zal dit zeker in de arabische wereld beschouwd worden als een invasie. De kans is vrij groot dat een aantal landen dit zullen aangrijpen om zich er mee te gaan bemoeien.
Blijkbaar wel geliefd bij een paar Afrikaanse landen.quote:
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De kans is juist extreem klein. Welk Arabisch land acht je zo achterlijk om de VS openlijk aan te vallen? En al helemaal niet om Gadaffi, die toch al niet zo geliefd is in de regio.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Kijk, dat kan ook nog!quote:
AJEnglish Al Jazeera English
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Ja die gaan even hun technicals inzetten tegen Amerikaanse F-22's.quote:
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Blijkbaar wel geliefd bij een paar Afrikaanse landen.
Dit lijkt me aannemelijker. Zal die Liga eindelijk eens nut hebben.quote:
AJEnglish Al Jazeera English
Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone: International concern grows over violence in Libya with Arab state ministers... http://aje.me/fMS80g
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Lol, VS die eventueel een nieuw olierijk gebied binnenvalt en je denkt dat het niet onrustig wordt? Gadaffi is redelijk goede vrienden met Syrie. Syrie is een boezemvriend van Iran. Ik kan zo 4 organisaties noemen die amerikaanse doelen kunnen aanvallen in de gehele regio. En wat gaan de Amerikanen doen mocht het gebeuren?? Het Midden-Oosten aanvallen?? Je overschat de VS wel heel erg als je denkt dat ze dat kunnen.quote:
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De kans is juist extreem klein. Welk Arabisch land acht je zo achterlijk om de VS openlijk aan te vallen? En al helemaal niet om Gadaffi, die toch al niet zo geliefd is in de regio.
Ik ben blij dat het westen eindelijk eens nadenkt voor ze iets doen. Als Bush er nog had gezeten hadden we nu wss een groter probleem gehad.
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Lol, VS die eventueel een nieuw olierijk gebied binnenvalt en je denkt dat het niet onrustig wordt? Gadaffi is redelijk goede vrienden met Syrie. Syrie is een boezemvriend van Iran. Ik kan zo 4 organisaties noemen die amerikaanse doelen kunnen aanvallen in de gehele regio. En wat gaan de Amerikanen doen mocht het gebeuren?? Het Midden-Oosten aanvallen?? Je overschat de VS wel heel erg als je denkt dat ze dat kunnen.
Ik ben blij dat het westen eindelijk eens nadenkt voor ze iets doen. Als Bush er nog had gezeten hadden we nu wss een groter probleem gehad.
Je bent nog serieus ook. Zelfs met Saddam, die veel betere contacten onderhield met de Arabische wereld, durfde geen enkel Arabisch land ermee te bemoeien.Meest invloedrijke Arabische land in de regio: SA, ziet Gadaffi liever zo snel mogelijk de pijp uitgaan.
Daar kan ik het in ieder geval wel mee eens zijn.quote:
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Als Bush er nog had gezeten hadden we nu wss een groter probleem gehad.
Wat gewoon is voor de spin, is chaos voor de vlieg.
Saddam was de meest gehate man in het Midden-Oosten en werd door vele leiders zelfs niet als een moslim beschouwd. Als je het niet geloofd, zoek het anders even op.quote:Op woensdag 2 maart 2011 21:02 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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Meest invloedrijke Arabische land in de regio: SA, ziet Gadaffi liever zo snel mogelijk de pijp uitgaan.
Wil ik best geloven en ik heb bij Gaddafi ook vermoedens. Tariq Aziz was ook een Christen als politicus onder Saddam.quote:
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Saddam was de meest gehate man in het Midden-Oosten en werd door vele leiders zelfs niet als een moslim beschouwd. Als je het niet geloofd, zoek het anders even op.
Denk niet zozeer dat militair gezien een land of Arabische lanen de VS aankunnen, maar een grondoorlog in Libi, die tijd is voorbij. De rol van de VS is zwakker geworden, niet zozeer miltiair gezien maar hun krediet is veel minder geworden.
Er is echter n land waar Amerika het heel moeilijk krijgt of zelfs verliest mocht het een grondoorlog worden, en dat is Iran.
Teheran kan binnen een paar dagen plat, maar dat zal niet geacccepteerd worden door de wereld. Bovendien hebben Amerikanen en de gehele Westerse wereld Iran nogal hoog zitten en dan met name de ontwikkelde bevolking en cultuur. Er wonen ook veel Perzen in de VS.
Een grondoorlog tegen Iran zal een farce worden voor de VS. Iran overleefde in de Iran-Irak-oorlog immers ook tegen de Irakezen die steun hadden van de VS en de Arabische wereld.
Libyan no-fly zone would be risky, provocative
CNN) -- After days of unrest in Libya, U.S. officials say a no-fly zone is an option for pushing Moammar Gadhafi from power and preventing bloodshed in toppling the regime.
But the use of no-fly zones is rife with danger for both sides, foreign experts say, and instituting one in Libya would raise the geopolitical stakes.
A no-fly zone is the aerial equivalent of a line in the sand. Violators, whether they are civilian aircraft or fighter jets, can get shot at.
A member of the U.N. Security Council who spoke on background told CNN that while there has been no formal discussion of a no-fly zone, there have been informal discussions outside of meetings, and "informal planning" is going on at NATO for such a scenario.
The diplomat said that if the Security Council discovers evidence that Gadhafi is using his air forces to kill or bomb civilians, fly in mercenaries or impede humanitarian assistance, it would be prepared to consider a no-fly zone.
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates warned Congress on Wednesday that any effort to create a no-fly zone in Libya would have to begin with an attack on the country.
"If ordered, we can do it," Gates said in answer to a question during a House Appropriations Committee hearing on the Pentagon's 2012 budget. But he warned that imposing such a zone would have to begin with an attack on Libya's anti-aircraft capability.
While testifying on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen said they had no confirmation of reports of aircraft controlled by Gadhafi firing on citizens, which has been an argument for enforcing a no-fly zone over the country.
But CNN's Ben Wedeman reported Wednesday that he had seen an aircraft drop bombs on civilians near the coastal city of Brega.
In a rare bit of bipartisanship in Washington, the Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a nonbinding resolution calling for the Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over the country.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday that the international community "cannot be on the sidelines while airplanes are being allowed to bomb and strafe.
"A no-fly zone is not a long-term proposition, assuming the outcome is what all desire, and I believe that we ought to be ready to implement it as necessary."
U.S. officials say all military and diplomatic options are on the table, but Gates and Mullen told the hearing that pursuing a forced grounding of Libyan aircraft is complicated and risky.
One Western diplomat, leaving a Security Council meeting on Wednesday, said that a no-fly zone over Libya would be "extremely difficult to implement -- you need airports, hundreds of planes. It is an act of war, and you have to bear the consequences."
Such a move could risk the ire of Libya's Muslim and Arab neighbors and inflame already prickly relations with Security Council members Russia and China, experts say. Worse, such a provocative move could be perceived by Gadhafi's regime as a declaration of war.
"The worst-case scenario may not be horrible, but we have seen that the costs of perceived military unilateralism in the Arab world are high," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who specializes in national security and defense issues.
While the U.S. response has been diplomatic so far, a no-fly zone could cause things to escalate in a hurry: After the first Gulf War, the United States, with U.N. support, established a no-fly zone over southern Iraq in 1992 after reports that Saddam Hussein had used violence against Iraqis, specifically Kurds and Shiites. In the following years, Hussein's air forces openly challenged the zone, resulting in skirmishes and an air of brinkmanship that didn't end, fully, until 2003's Operation Iraqi Freedom.
And without the ground support that coalition forces had in the Gulf War, foreign policy experts are split on how effective a no-fly zone would be.
But one thing they all agree on: A no-fly zone could touch off a wider conflagration.
"There would be happiness by some that the U.S. and Europe are standing by them," said Steve Clemons, director of the American Strategy Program of the New America Foundation. "But a lot more will be skeptical. There is an institutional skepticism by anything from the West. Some will resent the perception of force robbing the Libyans of their own moment," he said.
Clinton told a congressional hearing Wednesday that is a consideration in how the U.S. is approaching the crisis.
"We are also very conscious of the desire by the Libyan opposition forces that they be seen doing this by themselves, on behalf of the Libyan people; that there not be outside intervention by an external force, because they want this to have been their accomplishment. We respect that," she said.
But she also said that the U.S. is taking steps with NATO allies to be prepared if action is necessary.
"One of those actions that is under review is a no-fly zone. There are arguments that would favor it, questions that would be raised about it, but it is under active consideration," she said.
How would other Security Council members react to a U.S.-instigated no-fly zone?
"China and Russia have been surprisingly supportive of actions in the Security Council over the weekend," said Jamie Fly, executive director of the Foreign Policy Initiative.
But Russia rejects the idea of a no-fly zone over Libya, and China usually opposes foreign intervention.
Clemons and Fly emphasized that international consensus could be difficult to come by.
"The price of China's support will be rather high," said Clemons, of the New America Foundation. "China has had its own Tiananmen Square and is sensitive to governments trying to quell disturbances. Its message [to foreign involvement] has always been 'Stay out,' " Clemons said.
"There's a lot of skepticism on whether China or Russia would support such an action [a no-fly zone], but the preferred option would be for NATO to act like it did in Kosovo," Fly said.
In 1993, NATO forces enforced a no-fly zone over Bosnia in response to hostilities in an area that covered about 51,000 square miles. Libya, at 700,000 square miles, would be a much larger task.
Logistical issues posed by Libya's location could be overcome, said O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution. "Because Libya's cities are near the coast or on it, [the United States] could use aircraft carriers as well as bases in Italy, assuming Italy goes along, or Greece," he said.
Italy could well go along. The eastern coastal area of Libya, called Cyrenaica, was once an Italian colony. Bad feelings remain after Gadhafi expelled thousands of Italians shortly after coming to power.
Despite saying earlier that all options were on the table, the Obama administration on Tuesday signaled a cautious approach to any intervention that could be construed as military.
But casting U.N. support aside, the temptation for the United States to aid a people determined to free themselves from the societal restraints of an unpopular dictator may be too much to withstand, experts say.
The imagery of a NATO-backed aircraft swooping through the Tripoli skies may be just the moral boost the Libyan rebels need to topple the regime, said Thomas Donnelly, director of the American Enterprise Institute's Center for Defense Studies.
"Simply buzzing the Gadhafi palace would send a psychological message both to Gadhafi himself ... [and] to the revolutionaries in Libya," Donnelly said.
"It would dispirit the regime and would at least let the rebellion know the U.S. and Europeans are on their side and just over the horizon."
CNN) -- After days of unrest in Libya, U.S. officials say a no-fly zone is an option for pushing Moammar Gadhafi from power and preventing bloodshed in toppling the regime.
But the use of no-fly zones is rife with danger for both sides, foreign experts say, and instituting one in Libya would raise the geopolitical stakes.
A no-fly zone is the aerial equivalent of a line in the sand. Violators, whether they are civilian aircraft or fighter jets, can get shot at.
A member of the U.N. Security Council who spoke on background told CNN that while there has been no formal discussion of a no-fly zone, there have been informal discussions outside of meetings, and "informal planning" is going on at NATO for such a scenario.
The diplomat said that if the Security Council discovers evidence that Gadhafi is using his air forces to kill or bomb civilians, fly in mercenaries or impede humanitarian assistance, it would be prepared to consider a no-fly zone.
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates warned Congress on Wednesday that any effort to create a no-fly zone in Libya would have to begin with an attack on the country.
"If ordered, we can do it," Gates said in answer to a question during a House Appropriations Committee hearing on the Pentagon's 2012 budget. But he warned that imposing such a zone would have to begin with an attack on Libya's anti-aircraft capability.
While testifying on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen said they had no confirmation of reports of aircraft controlled by Gadhafi firing on citizens, which has been an argument for enforcing a no-fly zone over the country.
But CNN's Ben Wedeman reported Wednesday that he had seen an aircraft drop bombs on civilians near the coastal city of Brega.
In a rare bit of bipartisanship in Washington, the Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a nonbinding resolution calling for the Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over the country.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday that the international community "cannot be on the sidelines while airplanes are being allowed to bomb and strafe.
"A no-fly zone is not a long-term proposition, assuming the outcome is what all desire, and I believe that we ought to be ready to implement it as necessary."
U.S. officials say all military and diplomatic options are on the table, but Gates and Mullen told the hearing that pursuing a forced grounding of Libyan aircraft is complicated and risky.
One Western diplomat, leaving a Security Council meeting on Wednesday, said that a no-fly zone over Libya would be "extremely difficult to implement -- you need airports, hundreds of planes. It is an act of war, and you have to bear the consequences."
Such a move could risk the ire of Libya's Muslim and Arab neighbors and inflame already prickly relations with Security Council members Russia and China, experts say. Worse, such a provocative move could be perceived by Gadhafi's regime as a declaration of war.
"The worst-case scenario may not be horrible, but we have seen that the costs of perceived military unilateralism in the Arab world are high," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who specializes in national security and defense issues.
While the U.S. response has been diplomatic so far, a no-fly zone could cause things to escalate in a hurry: After the first Gulf War, the United States, with U.N. support, established a no-fly zone over southern Iraq in 1992 after reports that Saddam Hussein had used violence against Iraqis, specifically Kurds and Shiites. In the following years, Hussein's air forces openly challenged the zone, resulting in skirmishes and an air of brinkmanship that didn't end, fully, until 2003's Operation Iraqi Freedom.
And without the ground support that coalition forces had in the Gulf War, foreign policy experts are split on how effective a no-fly zone would be.
But one thing they all agree on: A no-fly zone could touch off a wider conflagration.
"There would be happiness by some that the U.S. and Europe are standing by them," said Steve Clemons, director of the American Strategy Program of the New America Foundation. "But a lot more will be skeptical. There is an institutional skepticism by anything from the West. Some will resent the perception of force robbing the Libyans of their own moment," he said.
Clinton told a congressional hearing Wednesday that is a consideration in how the U.S. is approaching the crisis.
"We are also very conscious of the desire by the Libyan opposition forces that they be seen doing this by themselves, on behalf of the Libyan people; that there not be outside intervention by an external force, because they want this to have been their accomplishment. We respect that," she said.
But she also said that the U.S. is taking steps with NATO allies to be prepared if action is necessary.
"One of those actions that is under review is a no-fly zone. There are arguments that would favor it, questions that would be raised about it, but it is under active consideration," she said.
How would other Security Council members react to a U.S.-instigated no-fly zone?
"China and Russia have been surprisingly supportive of actions in the Security Council over the weekend," said Jamie Fly, executive director of the Foreign Policy Initiative.
But Russia rejects the idea of a no-fly zone over Libya, and China usually opposes foreign intervention.
Clemons and Fly emphasized that international consensus could be difficult to come by.
"The price of China's support will be rather high," said Clemons, of the New America Foundation. "China has had its own Tiananmen Square and is sensitive to governments trying to quell disturbances. Its message [to foreign involvement] has always been 'Stay out,' " Clemons said.
"There's a lot of skepticism on whether China or Russia would support such an action [a no-fly zone], but the preferred option would be for NATO to act like it did in Kosovo," Fly said.
In 1993, NATO forces enforced a no-fly zone over Bosnia in response to hostilities in an area that covered about 51,000 square miles. Libya, at 700,000 square miles, would be a much larger task.
Logistical issues posed by Libya's location could be overcome, said O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution. "Because Libya's cities are near the coast or on it, [the United States] could use aircraft carriers as well as bases in Italy, assuming Italy goes along, or Greece," he said.
Italy could well go along. The eastern coastal area of Libya, called Cyrenaica, was once an Italian colony. Bad feelings remain after Gadhafi expelled thousands of Italians shortly after coming to power.
Despite saying earlier that all options were on the table, the Obama administration on Tuesday signaled a cautious approach to any intervention that could be construed as military.
But casting U.N. support aside, the temptation for the United States to aid a people determined to free themselves from the societal restraints of an unpopular dictator may be too much to withstand, experts say.
The imagery of a NATO-backed aircraft swooping through the Tripoli skies may be just the moral boost the Libyan rebels need to topple the regime, said Thomas Donnelly, director of the American Enterprise Institute's Center for Defense Studies.
"Simply buzzing the Gadhafi palace would send a psychological message both to Gadhafi himself ... [and] to the revolutionaries in Libya," Donnelly said.
"It would dispirit the regime and would at least let the rebellion know the U.S. and Europeans are on their side and just over the horizon."
Saddam heeft Allahu Akbar op de Irakeese vlag laten zetten omdat hij hoopte dat er dan minder verbrand zouden worden. Hij was idd niet zo geliefd.quote:
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Saddam was de meest gehate man in het Midden-Oosten en werd door vele leiders zelfs niet als een moslim beschouwd. Als je het niet geloofd, zoek het anders even op.
evanchill
We were told the attack on Brega consisted of around six jeeps with troops firing pretty much indiscriminately inside Brega University.
We were told the attack on Brega consisted of around six jeeps with troops firing pretty much indiscriminately inside Brega University.
Zoon van Tolmai.
Vergeet die NFZ , er zijn geruchten dat er wel undercover operaties uitgevoerd kunnen worden (engeland heeft dat al gedaan)
There is only one religion
LibyaFeb17_com
BREAKING: Aircrafts filled with American dollars leave Miteega Air Base - #feb17 #libya - http://t.co/p5rNVy3
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BREAKING: Aircrafts filled with American dollars leave Miteega Air Base - #feb17 #libya - http://t.co/p5rNVy3
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Zoon van Tolmai.
Als ze die nu even neerschieten, dan maken ze een hoop mensen op de grond blijquote:
LibyaFeb17_com
BREAKING: Aircrafts filled with American dollars leave Miteega Air Base - #feb17 #libya - http://t.co/p5rNVy3
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Reliable sources have reported to Almanara Media that a number of aircrafts took off from Miteega Air Base today and last night piloted by Algerian captains to unknown destinations. These aircrafts were reported to be carrying containers filled with dollar notes and with no passengers onboard.
There is only one religion
En ik dacht als die nou eens mijn kant op vloogquote:
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Als ze die nu even neerschieten, dan maken ze een hoop mensen op de grond blij
Maargoed, wel een vreemd verhaal.
Hoe lekt zoiets nou uit?
Ik heb er m'n twijfels bij.
AlArabiya_Eng The two Iranian warships that passed through the Suez Canal last month en route to Syria, will make the return trip on Thursday #Iran
14 minutes ago via web
14 minutes ago via web
There is only one religion
Ik zet die meid die zo mooi geschminkt is (in de OP) op de achtergrond van mijn mobiel! 
Zoon van Tolmai.
Je plaatje doet het niet.quote:
Van mij mag deze van t-8one ook wel in de OP, ze is mooi geschminkt!
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Zoon van Tolmai.
dit filmpje:
http://www.libyafeb17.com(...)ahra-street-tripoli/
Toeschouwers staan te dringen om op de eerste rij te staan
http://www.libyafeb17.com(...)ahra-street-tripoli/
Toeschouwers staan te dringen om op de eerste rij te staan
Maakt niet uit. معمر القذافي blijft, maar een paar van zijn volgelingen (misschien wel een zoon of iets) is vast aan het inpakken.quote:
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En ik dacht als die nou eens mijn kant op vloog
Maargoed, wel een vreemd verhaal.
Hoe lekt zoiets nou uit?
Ik heb er m'n twijfels bij.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Dan wordt het wel vol in de OP, maar oke ik ga 'm even resizen . Zal ik er dan een andere uithalen of gewoon zo laten?
. Zal ik er dan een andere uithalen of gewoon zo laten?quote:
Ik zet die meid die zo mooi geschminkt is (in de OP) op de achtergrond van mijn mobiel!
Doe dan even zoals in het Egypte topic. Klein formaatje.quote:
Dan wordt het wel vol in de OP, maar oke ik ga 'm even resizen
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Haha, vind het gewoon een mooi plaatje. En had ook piramides op mijn achtergrond toen de revolutie in Egypte was.
Zoon van Tolmai.
misschien wat kleiner maken ? de foto's .. is uiteindelijk bij de OP van reeks egypte ook gebeurd ( waren wel de meningen over verdeeld )quote:
Dan wordt het wel vol in de OP, maar oke ik ga 'm even resizen
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hoezo adhd ?
AJE liveblog 9:55pmquote:
evanchill
We were told the attack on Brega consisted of around six jeeps with troops firing pretty much indiscriminately inside Brega University.
More from Brega - this time from our very own web producer Evan Hill. He confirms that opposition forces had driven Gaddafi troops out of town. Also confirms four dead - and tells us one is believed to be a 12-year-old boy. You can follow Evan on Twitter - @evanchill
hoezo adhd ?
Nog een beter idee: we posten ze in het fotoreeksen topic in MO.quote:
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misschien wat kleiner maken ? de foto's .. is uiteindelijk bij de OP van reeks egypte ook gebeurd ( waren wel de meningen over verdeeld )
Zoon van Tolmai.
ja maar dat is ook weer niet handig, dan moet je steeds klikken om een plaatje te bekijken
Ik zet wel een linkje naar die reeks in de OPquote:
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Nog een beter idee: we posten ze in het fotoreeksen topic in MO.
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Nog een beter idee: we posten ze in het fotoreeksen topic in MO.
een foto zegt soms meer dan 1000 woordenquote:
ja maar dat is ook weer niet handig, dan moet je steeds klikken om een plaatje te bekijken
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Ik zet wel een linkje naar die reeks in de OP
hoezo adhd ?
Donequote:
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een foto zegt soms meer dan 1000 woorden
Leuk idee. Heb een wallpaper gezocht van Libi, heb nu dus een mooie woestijn met een aantal kamelen achter elkaarquote:
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Doe dan even zoals in het Egypte topic. Klein formaatje.
Haha, vind het gewoon een mooi plaatje. En had ook piramides op mijn achtergrond toen de revolutie in Egypte was.
Wat gewoon is voor de spin, is chaos voor de vlieg.
7.47pm: AP has more on the battle between pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces in Brega, reporting that at least 10 rebel fighters were killed and 18 wounded.
The attack began just after dawn, when several hundred pro-Gadhafi forces in 50 trucks and SUVs mounted with machine guns descended on the port, driving out a small opposition contingent and seizing control of the oil facilities, port and airstrip. But by afternoon, they had lost it all and had retreated to a university campus 5 miles (7km) away.
There, opposition fighters besieged them, clambering from the beach up a hill to the campus as mortars and heavy machine gun fire blasted around them, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. They took cover behind grassy dunes, firing back with assault rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers. At one point a war plane struck in the dunes to try to disperse them, but it caused no casualties and the siege continued.
"The dogs have fled," one middle-aged fighter shouted, waving his Kalashnikov over his head in victory after the Gadhafi forces withdrew from the town before nightfall.
The attack began just after dawn, when several hundred pro-Gadhafi forces in 50 trucks and SUVs mounted with machine guns descended on the port, driving out a small opposition contingent and seizing control of the oil facilities, port and airstrip. But by afternoon, they had lost it all and had retreated to a university campus 5 miles (7km) away.
There, opposition fighters besieged them, clambering from the beach up a hill to the campus as mortars and heavy machine gun fire blasted around them, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. They took cover behind grassy dunes, firing back with assault rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers. At one point a war plane struck in the dunes to try to disperse them, but it caused no casualties and the siege continued.
"The dogs have fled," one middle-aged fighter shouted, waving his Kalashnikov over his head in victory after the Gadhafi forces withdrew from the town before nightfall.
En hoe zit het bij de doden aan de zijde van Khaddafi?quote:
7.47pm: AP has more on the battle between pro- and anti-Gaddafi forces in Brega, reporting that at least 10 rebel fighters were killed and 18 wounded.
The attack began just after dawn, when several hundred pro-Gadhafi forces in 50 trucks and SUVs mounted with machine guns descended on the port, driving out a small opposition contingent and seizing control of the oil facilities, port and airstrip. But by afternoon, they had lost it all and had retreated to a university campus 5 miles (7km) away.
There, opposition fighters besieged them, clambering from the beach up a hill to the campus as mortars and heavy machine gun fire blasted around them, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. They took cover behind grassy dunes, firing back with assault rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers. At one point a war plane struck in the dunes to try to disperse them, but it caused no casualties and the siege continued.
"The dogs have fled," one middle-aged fighter shouted, waving his Kalashnikov over his head in victory after the Gadhafi forces withdrew from the town before nightfall.
Zoon van Tolmai.
10:31pm
We're told that, despite attempts to block the signal, Al Jazeera can still be received by enterprising viewers in Tripoli. If you know someone there, tell them they can tune in on Hotbird - we're apparently being jammed on each frequency tried on NileSat
oh ..lijkt erop dat Nilesat de verkeerde loopt te fokken ...
damnz!!!
ze moeten Libyan State TV fokken niet AJE
grlmbl
We're told that, despite attempts to block the signal, Al Jazeera can still be received by enterprising viewers in Tripoli. If you know someone there, tell them they can tune in on Hotbird - we're apparently being jammed on each frequency tried on NileSat
oh ..lijkt erop dat Nilesat de verkeerde loopt te fokken ...
damnz!!!
ze moeten Libyan State TV fokken niet AJE
grlmbl
hoezo adhd ?
Geen idee.quote:Op woensdag 2 maart 2011 21:35 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
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En hoe zit het bij de doden aan de zijde van Khaddafi?
Je hoort ook steeds verschillende organisaties komen met al die schattingen van het aantal doden dat tot nu toe gevallen zijn, maar ik heb geen idee of zij ook de doden onder de pro-khadaffi's en mercenaries meetellen en hoe zij aan die info komen.
trustenquote:
ik ga zo ff de nederlands politieke crisis
volgen ..oh ja ,.. de speech van saif waarin ie wapens enzo beloofd is hier met ondertiteling ( beetje laat maar goed )
![Saif Gaddafi Exposed [ENGLISH SUBTITLES]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z47ymow04uc/default.jpg)
hoezo adhd ?
Dit zou een video zijn van de strijd in Brega. Ik kan geen arabisch, dus weet niet of dat waar is.
Sorry als het al gepost is trouwens...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=115732065168086
Sorry als het al gepost is trouwens...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=115732065168086
Dit is gewoon een oorlog.quote:
Dit zou een video zijn van de strijd in Brega. Ik kan geen arabisch, dus weet niet of dat waar is.
Sorry als het al gepost is trouwens...
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=115732065168086
Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl
is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.
is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.
en die zenden op AJE een docu uit van egypte wel coole docuquote:
10:31pm
We're told that, despite attempts to block the signal, Al Jazeera can still be received by enterprising viewers in Tripoli. If you know someone there, tell them they can tune in on Hotbird - we're apparently being jammed on each frequency tried on NileSat
oh ..lijkt erop dat Nilesat de verkeerde loopt te fokken ...
damnz!!!
ze moeten Libyan State TV fokken niet AJE
grlmbl
There is only one religion
