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Here's a few reasons/contributing factors (not in order of importance) which make me think that the stories we have been taught/told (or NOT) over the last 70+ years about the atomic bombings are not true.
Reasons to believe it (or not !)
- There is no difference between the 'atomic' bombings or the 1940's napalm bombings aftermath imagery.
- There are remarkable similarities (or no differences at all) between 'atomic' and fire-bomb casualties photos.
- The word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in the 1914 SF novel The World Set Free.
- Fire-bombs (napalm) were invented as early as 1943.
- The B29 'nuke' bomber was new, hampered by technical faults and known to be unreliable. Why use it to carry such an important, highly dangerous payload?
- Almost all of the buildings destroyed were made of paper and wood.
- The miraculous survival adventures, and that none of the 'atomic' bomb survivors were even recognised by their own government until 1957. There were also many reports of there being double (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) survivors and yet only ONE has been recognised by the government and that wasn't until 2009....only months before his death at the ripe old age of ninety-three.
- The vague, ridiculous or simply impossible witness accounts.Melted eyes/skin etc.
- Iconic photos of the event were faked/manipulated/miscaptioned.
- The 'atomic' bomb explosion test footage was of 100-ton TNT explosions which were allegedly used to imitate and 'test' the effects of an 'atomic' bomb, but was much more likely used in some of the thousands of crude fear propaganda films.
- That thousands of fear propaganda fims were made at Lookout Mountain, a huge military intelligence installation/studio – the biggest and best equipped in Hollywood at the time. There are also Los Alamos and Oak Ridge Laboratories.
- The hysterical, unproven stories of radiation poisoning, increase in cancer rates, babies with hereditary birth defects due to the effects of an atomic bomb and the huge tracts of land which we were told would be left uninhabitable for centuries after such an event....all of which appeared in military propaganda/ mainstream media over decades and have been shown NOT to be true or at the very least, highly questionable.
- The alleged 'atomic' bomb was tested for the first time only a few weeks before the 'atomic' bombings allegedly took place.
- Japan was already defeated. The Japanese navy had lost the vast majority of its fleet. The people were already starving. There was no need to use such a destructive, powerful weapon as an 'atomic' bomb....the new fire-bomb (napalm) weapon was more than enough to force Japan into surrendering.
- Tramcars were working only a few days after the 'atomic' event allegedly took place.
Tegenreactie:
In verschillende topics, word er naar voren geschoven dat Atoom wapens onzin zijn.
Verdere info is eigenlijk niet nodig!
Mooie docu over nukes!
Schaalmodelhuisje wordt weggevaagd:
Fearmongering:
If the official 'atomic' bomb stories were true – the lies/manipulation/propaganda would not be necessary.
I also believed it up until a few years ago, so it's never too late for anyone (or for some people at least) to be brave enough and change their minds..
Don't be shy, feel free to state a few simple, but specific reasons why you believe the atomic bomb stories.
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Reasons to believe it (or not !)
- There is no difference between the 'atomic' bombings or the 1940's napalm bombings aftermath imagery.
- There are remarkable similarities (or no differences at all) between 'atomic' and fire-bomb casualties photos.
- The word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in the 1914 SF novel The World Set Free.
- Fire-bombs (napalm) were invented as early as 1943.
- The B29 'nuke' bomber was new, hampered by technical faults and known to be unreliable. Why use it to carry such an important, highly dangerous payload?
- Almost all of the buildings destroyed were made of paper and wood.
- The miraculous survival adventures, and that none of the 'atomic' bomb survivors were even recognised by their own government until 1957. There were also many reports of there being double (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) survivors and yet only ONE has been recognised by the government and that wasn't until 2009....only months before his death at the ripe old age of ninety-three.
- The vague, ridiculous or simply impossible witness accounts.Melted eyes/skin etc.
- Iconic photos of the event were faked/manipulated/miscaptioned.
- The 'atomic' bomb explosion test footage was of 100-ton TNT explosions which were allegedly used to imitate and 'test' the effects of an 'atomic' bomb, but was much more likely used in some of the thousands of crude fear propaganda films.
- That thousands of fear propaganda fims were made at Lookout Mountain, a huge military intelligence installation/studio – the biggest and best equipped in Hollywood at the time. There are also Los Alamos and Oak Ridge Laboratories.
- The hysterical, unproven stories of radiation poisoning, increase in cancer rates, babies with hereditary birth defects due to the effects of an atomic bomb and the huge tracts of land which we were told would be left uninhabitable for centuries after such an event....all of which appeared in military propaganda/ mainstream media over decades and have been shown NOT to be true or at the very least, highly questionable.
- The alleged 'atomic' bomb was tested for the first time only a few weeks before the 'atomic' bombings allegedly took place.
- Japan was already defeated. The Japanese navy had lost the vast majority of its fleet. The people were already starving. There was no need to use such a destructive, powerful weapon as an 'atomic' bomb....the new fire-bomb (napalm) weapon was more than enough to force Japan into surrendering.
- Tramcars were working only a few days after the 'atomic' event allegedly took place.
Tegenreactie:
..................................................................quote:Op donderdag 18 juli 2019 06:22 schreef illusions het volgende:
- Wat is het belangrijkste scheikundige feit wat kernreacties zou kunnen ontkrachten? (ex. "filmpje klopt niet")
In verschillende topics, word er naar voren geschoven dat Atoom wapens onzin zijn.
Verdere info is eigenlijk niet nodig!
Mooie docu over nukes!
Schaalmodelhuisje wordt weggevaagd:
Fearmongering:
If the official 'atomic' bomb stories were true – the lies/manipulation/propaganda would not be necessary.
I also believed it up until a few years ago, so it's never too late for anyone (or for some people at least) to be brave enough and change their minds..
Don't be shy, feel free to state a few simple, but specific reasons why you believe the atomic bomb stories.
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 20-07-2019 23:01:20 ]
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ik zie dat een inhoudelijke reactie weer teveel gevraagt was. Misschien moet je het nog eens proberen.quote:
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Ah yes – the good old ‘it’s really all very simple’ . You began your ‘vooral EMP’ post with the same words, after which you made a string of unsubstantiated claims. It really isn’t ‘all very simple’…..as the vast majority of people do not understand a fuck of what you are on about.
You give one link to some space technology bullshit and the rest we are supposed to take your word for it. You should know better - as I’ve stated several times over the years, I don’t trust you or your opinions.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dat klopt, daarom kijk ik ook geen reclamequote:
We’ve all been victims of propaganda and indoctrination for one reason or another at some point in our lives.
Maar hoe dat jij stelling onderbouwt is me volslagen onduidelijk. Zo kun je de platte aarde ook rechtvaardigen.
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Oh en nog iets, als Haushofer iets ziet in mijn versimpeld verhaal om te corrigeren dan hoor ik dat graag. Zijn kennis van natuurkunde is stukken beter dan die van mijquote:
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Ah yes – the good old ‘it’s really all very simple’ . You began your ‘vooral EMP’ post with the same words, after which you made a string of unsubstantiated claims. It really isn’t ‘all very simple’…..as the vast majority of people do not understand a fuck of what you are on about.
You give one link to some space technology bullshit and the rest we are supposed to take your word for it. You should know better - as I’ve stated several times over the years, I don’t trust you or your opinions.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Zo werkt bewijslast niet.quote:
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What scientific evidence?
Don't be shy, feel free to state a few simple, but specific reasons why you believe the atomic bomb stories.
You should be able to easily find some in the 'gazillion amount of books and reports' and the 'numerous witness reports or countless casualties'.
Tuurlijk beschik ik zelf niet over de kennis om de wetenschappelijke theorieën te bewijzen, dat betekent niet dat het niet kan. Jouw enige stok om mee te slaan zijn opmerkingen zoals "dit ziet er nep uit" bij YouTube filmpjes. 
Je zou natuurlijk eens kunnen proberen om inhoudelijk op de natuurkundige kant in te gaan zoals ATuin-hek dat beschrijft in zijn post. Je wilt beweren dat kernenergie niet bestaat? Of alleen niet weaponised? Dit lijk je steeds maar te ontwijken.
Weer mooi de vraag van hekje ontweken, waarom had ik niet anders verwacht?
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Zijn lijst bezwaren gaan ook vrijwel alleen over de twee bommen op Japan. Alsof alles sindsdien niet relevant is of zo.quote:
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Zo werkt bewijslast niet.
Je zou natuurlijk eens kunnen proberen om inhoudelijk op de natuurkundige kant in te gaan zoals ATuin-hek dat beschrijft in zijn post. Je wilt beweren dat kernenergie niet bestaat? Of alleen niet weaponised? Dit lijk je steeds maar te ontwijken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
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Some sources claim the alleged atomic bomb was tested for the first time only a few weeks before the atomic bombings allegedly took place. Japan was already defeated according to some critics. The Japanese navy had lost the vast majority of its fleet. The people were already starving. They say there wasn't any need to use such a destructive, powerful weapon as an atomic bomb....the new fire-bomb (napalm) weapon could have been more than enough, according to some. Still, certain critics believe it has indeed been a napalm attack, for atomic weapons supposedly do not exist.
You tend to only present things as facts when it suits you. At least also put forward your own arguments in the way they should be presented: just one side of the story.
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A child is born with no state of mind.
Maar dat "the new fire-bomb (napalm) weapon was more than enough" snap ik niet echt.
Ten opzichte van wat? Atoombommen bestaan toch zogenaamd niet?
Ten opzichte van wat? Atoombommen bestaan toch zogenaamd niet?
For clarity and the benefit of people who are genuinely interested in this topic:
Napalm bombs were more than enough to get Japan to finally surrender despite being defeated already.
Napalm bombs were more than enough to get Japan to finally surrender despite being defeated already.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Heb je nog wat zinnigs te melden over mijn post over de natuurkunde achter kernwapens?quote:
For clarity and the benefit of people who are genuinely interested in this topic:
Napalm bombs were more than enough to get Japan to finally surrender despite being defeated already.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Napalm was genoeg, maar ze hebben dus kennelijk iets zwaarders gebruikt zeg je? Atoombommen toevallig?quote:
For clarity and the benefit of people who are genuinely interested in this topic:
Napalm bombs were more than enough to get Japan to finally surrender despite being defeated already.
Een miljoen soldaten die met fakkels de stad in lopen was ook genoeg geweest, dus eigenlijk bestaat napalm ook niet?quote:
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Napalm was genoeg, maar ze hebben dus kennelijk iets zwaarders gebruikt zeg je? Atoombommen toevallig?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nou, ik probeerde meer duidelijk te maken dat Tingo impliceert dat er iets zwaarders dan napalm is gebruikt. Wat zou dat zwaardere geweest zijn dan? Dan impliceert hij dus dat atoombommen wel degelijk bestaan.quote:
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Een miljoen soldaten die met fakkels de stad in lopen was ook genoeg geweest, dus eigenlijk bestaat napalm ook niet?
Dat ook jaquote:
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Nou, ik probeerde meer duidelijk te maken dat Tingo impliceert dat er iets zwaarders dan napalm is gebruikt. Wat zou dat zwaardere geweest zijn dan? Dan impliceert hij dus dat atoombommen wel degelijk bestaan.
Imo is het zo'n vreemde gedachtegang, want waarom is het bestaan van napalm een bewijs dat nukes niet bestaan? Dat iets anders ook ergens genoeg voor kan zijn wil niet zeggen dat de complexere optie niet kan bestaan.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Volgens mij vindt hij het eerder net iets te toevallig dat het rond ongeveer dezelfde tijd werd uitgevonden, en zodoende dus redeneert dat atoombommen wel napalm in een ander jasje moeten zijn. Dat is eenzelfde soort redenering als "we zijn nooit naar de ruimte geweest omdat ik zelf niet in de shuttle zat."quote:
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Dat ook ja
Ik kan nog steeds niet echt geloven dat mensen dit echt ontkennen.
Zal leuk zijn op van die kringverjaardagen.
No.quote:
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Napalm was genoeg, maar ze hebben dus kennelijk iets zwaarders gebruikt zeg je? Atoombommen toevallig?
I wrote : 'Napalm bombs were MORE THAN ENOUGH'.
In other words – even fire-bombs were not needed to enforce the surrender of Japan.
You are trying to put words in my mouth again, using basically the same desperate 'discussion' tactic as the copying and editing of my earlier post.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dat heb ik helemaal niet geimpliceert.quote:
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Nou, ik probeerde meer duidelijk te maken dat Tingo impliceert dat er iets zwaarders dan napalm is gebruikt. Wat zou dat zwaardere geweest zijn dan? Dan impliceert hij dus dat atoombommen wel degelijk bestaan.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Was jij maar Generaal van de strijdkrachten in die tijd. Met dit diepe militaire inzicht had de hele wereldoorlog voorkomen kunnen worden!quote:
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No.
I wrote : 'Napalm bombs were MORE THAN ENOUGH'.
Conscience do cost.
I didn't claim it was. Opinions are not facts as we all know, theories are not facts either.quote:
I posted a list of easy to understand practical reasons/contributing factors/facts I've learned a little about (over the past couple of years or so) as to why I do not believe the 'atomic' bombings.
My opinion about the 'atomic' bomb issue is based on practical reasons rather than scientific theories.
There is no reason for me to waste my time getting into another silly, psuedoscientific argument with you or anyone else for that matter.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
I already posted a 'zinnig' reply to your 'natuurkundige' post.quote:
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Heb je nog wat zinnigs te melden over mijn post over de natuurkunde achter kernwapens?
Here it is again in case you missed it:
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Ah yes – the good old ‘it’s really all very simple’ . You began your ‘vooral EMP’ post with the same words, after which you made a string of unsubstantiated claims. It really isn’t ‘all very simple’…..as the vast majority of people do not understand a fuck of what you are on about.
You give one link to some space technology bullshit and the rest we are supposed to take your word for it. You should know better - as I’ve stated several times over the years, I don’t trust you or your opinions.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ja, heel zinnig. M.a.w. je hebt geen flauw idee en je geeft het nog toe ook. Dus het zou zomaar kunnen dat atoomwapens wel bestaan he?
M.a.w. je hebt geen flauw idee en je geeft het nog toe ook. Dus het zou zomaar kunnen dat atoomwapens wel bestaan he?
Jep, als je zegt dat napalm meer dan genoeg was, impliceer je daarmee dat er dus een ander type bom is gebruikt, waarmee je dus al zegt dat het een sterker wapen was, een atoombom maybe? Dat jij je mening niet goed kunt verwoorden, ligt niet aan mij.quote:
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No.
I wrote : 'Napalm bombs were MORE THAN ENOUGH'.
In other words – even fire-bombs were not needed to enforce the surrender of Japan.
You are trying to put words in my mouth again, using basically the same desperate 'discussion' tactic as the copying and editing of my earlier post.
Maar zeg eens, beweer je nu dat kernenergie niet bestaat, of alleen dat kernwapens niet bestaan? (Ik weet stiekem ook wel dat je hier niet op in kan gaan, want dan heb je geen poot meer om op te staan)
No you didn't. Je vond het daar nodig om weer lekker te gaan zitten vitten op (zelfverzonnen) bijzaken. Je hebt de link niet eens goed gelezen, want dan had je gezien dat RTGs ook op aarde zijn gebruikt. Je hoeft mijn woord er helemaal niet voor te nemen, aantonen waar ik het verkeerd heb werkt ook prima.quote:
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I already posted a 'zinnig' reply to your 'natuurkundige' post.
Here it is again in case you missed it:
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Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Yeah you did. Jij stelde zelf dat je een lijst met facts had gepost.quote:
Zelfs dat zijn het niet. Je komt niet verder dan wat handwaving, zonder dat verder te onderbouwen... Sure, er zitten mogelijke facts tussen, waarvan het ook nog eens de vraag is waarom die er toe doen.quote:Opinions are not facts as we all know, theories are not facts either.
I posted a list of easy to understand practical reasons/contributing factors/facts I've learned a little about (over the past couple of years or so) as to why I do not believe the 'atomic' bombings.
My opinion about the 'atomic' bomb issue is based on practical reasons rather than scientific theories.
There is no reason for me to waste my time getting into another silly, psuedoscientific argument with you or anyone else for that matter.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
En waarom is dat een argument dat kernwapens niet bestaan?quote:
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No.
I wrote : 'Napalm bombs were MORE THAN ENOUGH'.
In other words – even fire-bombs were not needed to enforce the surrender of Japan.
You are trying to put words in my mouth again, using basically the same desperate 'discussion' tactic as the copying and editing of my earlier post.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Yes I did. No I didn't. Yeah but, no butquote:
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No you didn't. Je vond het daar nodig om weer lekker te gaan zitten vitten op (zelfverzonnen) bijzaken. Je hebt de link niet eens goed gelezen, want dan had je gezien dat RTGs ook op aarde zijn gebruikt. Je hoeft mijn woord er helemaal niet voor te nemen, aantonen waar ik het verkeerd heb werkt ook prima.
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Sounds like something out of a Sci-Fi novel, but anyway I read about half of it.
Invented in 1954, nine years after the events we are trying to discuss took place. Handig. Used to power satellites and space probes. Oh great – that's supposed to make all the 'nukist' bullshit all suddenly make sense and be totally true is it? Ajb zeg. But if that works for you.ok.
I don't need to discuss 'atomic' science, thank you very much.
The vast majority of people understand practical reasons way better than 'atomic/nuclear' scientistic theory.
Read the simple list I posted and challenge the points/facts which you don't agree with in a specific, practical, reasonable manner please.
Over de 'mogelijk feiten die tussen zitten', welke zou dat zijn? En waarom?
Do you do non-scientistic discussion?
Maybe you could post a list of practical reasons (which more people will understand) as to why you believe the 'atomic' bomb attack stories.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
It was a reaction to your new sidekick. He desperately keeps trying to imply things I did not imply.quote:
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En waarom is dat een argument dat kernwapens niet bestaan?
It's a bit pitiful really.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hier is maar 1 reactie op mogelijk:quote:
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Yes I did. No I didn't. Yeah but, no but
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Sounds like something out of a Sci-Fi novel, but anyway I read about half of it.
Invented in 1954, nine years after the events we are trying to discuss took place. Handig. Used to power satellites and space probes. Oh great – that's supposed to make all the 'nukist' bullshit all suddenly make sense and be totally true is it? Ajb zeg. But if that works for you.ok.
I don't need to discuss 'atomic' science, thank you very much.
The vast majority of people understand practical reasons way better than 'atomic/nuclear' scientistic theory.
Read the simple list I posted and challenge the points/facts which you don't agree with in a specific, practical, reasonable manner please.
Over de 'mogelijk feiten die tussen zitten', welke zou dat zijn? En waarom?
Do you do non-scientistic discussion?
Maybe you could post a list of practical reasons (which more people will understand) as to why you believe the 'atomic' bomb attack stories.
Ik weet wel een hele simpele praktische reden ja: ooggetuigen. Zitten die allemaal in het complot?
En nog 1, hoe fake je dit met conventionele explosieven:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Maar hoe is het dan een argument tegen het bestaan van kernwapens?quote:
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It was a reaction to your new sidekick. He desperately keeps trying to imply things I did not imply.
It's a bit pitiful really.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
My fucking god you're so full of shit, you're actually asking to start a non-scientific discussion to prove or disprove a scientific theory? Are you that daft?quote:
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Yes I did. No I didn't. Yeah but, no but
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Sounds like something out of a Sci-Fi novel, but anyway I read about half of it.
Invented in 1954, nine years after the events we are trying to discuss took place. Handig. Used to power satellites and space probes. Oh great – that's supposed to make all the 'nukist' bullshit all suddenly make sense and be totally true is it? Ajb zeg. But if that works for you.ok.
I don't need to discuss 'atomic' science, thank you very much.
The vast majority of people understand practical reasons way better than 'atomic/nuclear' scientistic theory.
Read the simple list I posted and challenge the points/facts which you don't agree with in a specific, practical, reasonable manner please.
Over de 'mogelijk feiten die tussen zitten', welke zou dat zijn? En waarom?
Do you do non-scientistic discussion?
Maybe you could post a list of practical reasons (which more people will understand) as to why you believe the 'atomic' bomb attack stories.
What's next, are you gonna disprove the Pythagoras theorem with psychology?
It's a fact that nuclear weapons can only be disproven if you can prove the current science/tech does not or can not work, but since your physics knowledge is next to none, i guess that's where you fail and start seeking non-scientific mumbo jumbo to discredit proper scientific and peer-proven theories.
Laughable.
Sad, but nonetheless laughable.
Voor jou wel.quote:
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Hier is maar 1 reactie op mogelijk:
Ik weet wel een hele simpele praktische reden ja: ooggetuigen. Zitten die allemaal in het complot?
That's all you've got! LOL!
Witness testimony can often be notoriously unreliable for all kinds of reasons....as many of us understand from other more recent events. Witnesses can be paid, planted, terribly mistaken, pressured into making statements which can be exaggerated/sensationalised by the media for propaganda purposes etc.
If people want to carry on believing the ridiculous witness/survival stories, that's up to them.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
That's not all. There's an incredibly large portion of arguments which you refuse to get into - anything scientific, for example.quote:
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Voor jou wel.
That's all you've got! LOL!
Witness testimony can often be notoriously unreliable for all kinds of reasons....as many of us understand from other more recent events. Witnesses can be paid, planted, terribly mistaken, pressured into making statements which can be exaggerated/sensationalised by the media for propaganda purposes etc.
If people want to carry on believing the ridiculous witness/survival stories, that's up to them.
Pretty weird, seeing you're trying to disprove a scientific theory.
Behalve als die witnesses iets zeggen dat in het straatje past natuurlijk. 
Dan is het opeens nieuw en interessant.
Dan is het opeens nieuw en interessant.
Conscience do cost.
Vergeet YouTube reacties niet. Goeie graadmeter.quote:
Behalve als die witnesses iets zeggen dat in het straatje past natuurlijk.
I don't refuse to get into - I don't need to get intoquote:
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That's not all. There's an incredibly large portion of arguments which you refuse to get into - anything scientific, for example.
Theory is not practice. Most people understand practical reasons rather scientistic theory.
Bye now! Professor illusions.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
You still can't disprove a scientific theory using psychology, which proves your psychology is also sub-par.quote:
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I don't refuse to get into - I don't need to get into
Theory is not practice. Most people understand practical reasons rather scientistic theory.
Bye now!
By the way, it seems you also refuse. You're not getting into anything scientific, but you're not refusing to? How does that work? We're still talking about a scientific matter here.
I've listed practical reasons - not psychology.....or scientistic theory.quote:
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You still can't disprove a scientific theory using psychology, which proves your psychology is also sub-par.
Please feel free to challenge the points in the list I posted.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
I don't need to, the scientific evidence speaks for itself.quote:
I've listed practical reasons - not psychology.....or scientistic theory.
Practical reasons, lol. It looks fake, so it must be.
I'm not,but you are desperately to do so.quote:
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You still can't disprove a scientific theory using psychology, which proves your psychology is also sub-par.
By the way, it seems you also refuse. You're not getting into anything scientific, but you're not refusing to? How does that work? We're still talking about a scientific matter here.
Feel free to challenge the list I posted.
Try and be specific.
I might come back after doing the washing up.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
They are only practical to you. You are denying a scientific matter, yet using another form of reasoning. That in itself makes absolutely no sense.quote:
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I'm not,but you are desperately to do so.
Feel free to challenge the list I posted.
Try and be specific.
I might come back after doing the washing up.
Do you believe nuclear energy is fake, or only nuclear weapons?
Can you answer that one question please?
Je haalt een deel van de post weg uit de quote, negeert andere posts of durft er niet op in te gaan, en hebt het lef om met een "That's all you've got" te komen?quote:
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Voor jou wel.
That's all you've got! LOL!
Witness testimony can often be notoriously unreliable for all kinds of reasons....as many of us understand from other more recent events. Witnesses can be paid, planted, terribly mistaken, pressured into making statements which can be exaggerated/sensationalised by the media for propaganda purposes etc.
If people want to carry on believing the ridiculous witness/survival stories, that's up to them.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Hoe is het bestaan van napalm een reden om te geloven dat nukes niet (kunnen) bestaan?quote:
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I've listed practical reasons - not psychology.....or scientistic theory.
Please feel free to challenge the points in the list I posted.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Oh yes there is, damage from atomic bombs is way more extensive and causes numerous side effects that napalm doesn't.quote:Op maandag 25 februari 2019 04:35 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Here's a few reasons/contributing factors (not in order of importance) which make me think that the stories we have been taught/told (or NOT) over the last 70+ years about the atomic bombings are not true.
There is no difference between that of the 'atomic' or the 1940's napalm bombings aftermath imagery.
They both have the ability to burn people, so that's pretty logical.quote:The remarkable similarities between 'atomic' and fire-bomb casualties photos.
How does that prove anything?quote:That the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in the 1914 SF novel The World Set Free.
Again, totally unrelated. They probably invented a whole lot more shit around that time, so what?quote:That fire-bombs (napalm) were invented as early as 1943.
Because it was the best option at the time considering all the parameters.quote:That the B29 'nuke' bomber was new, hampered by technical faults and known to be unreliable.
Why use it to carry such an important, highly dangerous payload?
You're speaking about Japan during WW2, of course almost all buildings are just paper and wood. That's very usual for Japan.quote:The fact that almost all of the buildings destroyed were made of paper and wood.
Recognition leads to a shitload of claims, and costs a lot of money. This does not mean at all that nuclear weapons don't exist.quote:The miraculous survival adventures, and that none of the 'atomic' bomb survivors were even recognised by their own government until 1957. There were also many reports of there being double (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) survivors and yet only ONE has been recognised by the government and that wasn't until 2009....only months before his death at the ripe old age of 93.
Just as vague as your list. No reason atomic energy doesn't exist.quote:The vague witness accounts.
Because it looks fake to you, doesn't mean it is fake. Even if it is fake, it still doesn't disprove nuclear weapons.quote:That iconic photos of the event were faked/manipulated/miscaptioned.
Any source to back up that this was in fact not nuclear?quote:That the 'atomic' bomb explosion test footage was 100-tons of TNT allegedly used to imitate and 'test' the effects of an 'atomic' bomb but was very likely used in some of the thousands of crude fear propaganda films.
Oh, maybe because they wanted to record it, and it was as you say yourself, the biggest and best military intelligence installation?quote:That thousands of fear propaganda fims were made at Lookout Mountain, a huge military intelligence installation/studio – the biggest and best equipped in Hollywood at the time.
There are a lot of examples of these cases to indeed happen, why are they not true? E.g. cancer patients, numerous birth defects from people that were near nuclear blasts or nuclear installation meltdowns, etc. How have you disproven this?quote:The hysterical, unproven stories of radiation poisoning, increase in cancer rates, babies with hereditary birth defects due to the effects of an atomic bomb and the huge tracts of land which we were told would be left uninhabitable for centuries after such an event....all of which have been shown NOT to be true.
So? Does this prove nuclear weapons do not exist?quote:The alleged 'atomic' bomb was tested for the first time only a few weeks before the 'atomic' bombings allegedly took place.
A lot of things happen in war that were not necessary. This does not disprove at all that a nuclear weapon does not exist.quote:Japan was already defeated. The Japanese navy had lost the vast majority of its fleet. The people were already starving. There wasn't any need to use such a destructive, powerful weapon as an 'atomic' bomb....the new fire-bomb (napalm) weapon was more than enough.
Same shit.quote:If the official 'atomic' bomb stories were true – the lies/manipulation/propaganda would not be necessary.
quote:Verdere info is eigenlijk niet nodig!
There. All your questions answered.
Could you please provide us with answers to the following?
1.) Do you believe nuclear energy exists?
2.) Do you believe nuclear energy does exist, but nuclear weapons don't?
3.) How does the existence of napalm disprove the existence of nuclear energy/weapons?
They're just 3 easy questions for a genius like you, since i just answered all yours, please indulge us in your wisdom.
Kan me niet aan de indruk onttrekken dat veel mensen die in dit soort absurde theorieën geloven vroeger ook vooraan hadden gestaan bij het op de brandstapel gooien van mensen wegens hekserij. Als je iets niet begrijpt is dat prima, probeer je gewoon in te lezen. Begrijp je het daarna nog steeds niet dan moet je jezelf afvragen wat waarschijnlijker is; dat er wereldwijd een enorm complot gaande is of dat je zelf gewoon niet zo'n helder licht bent.
Klopt. Inlezen heeft voor veel van hen geen zin. De tekst is namelijk opgeschreven door mensen die in het complot zitten of die 'gehersenspoeld' zijn. Die ene amateuruploader op YouTube is onafhankelijk en heeft dus geen agenda en uiteraard veel verstand van zaken. Anders zou die er ook niet zo'n spannend muziekje onderzetten natuurlijk.quote:
Kan me niet aan de indruk onttrekken dat veel mensen die in dit soort absurde theorieën geloven vroeger ook vooraan hadden gestaan bij het op de brandstapel gooien van mensen wegens hekserij. Als je iets niet begrijpt is dat prima, probeer je gewoon in te lezen. Begrijp je het daarna nog steeds niet dan moet je jezelf afvragen wat waarschijnlijker is; dat er wereldwijd een enorm complot gaande is of dat je zelf gewoon niet zo'n helder licht bent.
Ontopic: Weet iemand wanneer deze theorie zijn piek heeft gehaald in het verleden?
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Kan nooit een hoge piek zijn geweest.quote:
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Klopt. Inlezen heeft voor veel van hen geen zin. De tekst is namelijk opgeschreven door mensen die in het complot zitten of die 'gehersenspoeld' zijn. Die ene amateuruploader op YouTube is onafhankelijk en heeft dus geen agenda en uiteraard veel verstand van zaken. Anders zou die er ook niet zo'n spannend muziekje onderzetten natuurlijk.
Ontopic: Weet iemand wanneer deze theorie zijn piek heeft gehaald in het verleden?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Before you go making accusations – read (your own) post #29 and let me know why you think it is in any way a reasonable reply . It’s also a good example of why I don’t bother replying to some posts. Thankfully I’ve got other things going on in real life, and I don’t have the same time to waste coming here and having inane, bitchy arguments with characters I don’t particularly like and have absolutely nothing in common with anyway.quote:
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Je haalt een deel van de post weg uit de quote, negeert andere posts of durft er niet op in te gaan, en hebt het lef om met een "That's all you've got" te komen?
I answered the ‘what about the witnesses’ argument in a reasonable manner.
As for the vids you posted – I don’t have time to watch some NatGeo type docu. And your question was a bit vague anyway.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
I stated facts. A question has a question mark behind it.quote:
There. All your questions answered.
Could you please provide us with answers to the following?
1.) Do you believe nuclear energy exists?
2.) Do you believe nuclear energy does exist, but nuclear weapons don't?
3.) How does the existence of napalm disprove the existence of nuclear energy/weapons?
They're just 3 easy questions for a genius like you, since i just answered all yours, please indulge us in your wisdom.
1. I don’t know, I haven’t had the time to read enough about it yet.
2. No. (I edited part of the question as it was the same as nr.1)
3. It doesn’t.
MAYBE I'll bother replying to the rest of your rubbishy post when I have more time.
Bye lads! Have a lovely evening.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ik stel voor dat je nog een keer leest wat er staat, maar nu beter lezen.quote:
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Before you go making accusations – read (your own) post #29 and let me know why you think it is in any way a reasonable reply . It’s also a good example of why I don’t bother replying to some posts. Thankfully I’ve got other things going on in real life, and I don’t have the same time to waste coming here and having inane, bitchy arguments with characters I don’t particularly like and have absolutely nothing in common with anyway.
I answered the ‘what about the witnesses’ argument in a reasonable manner.
As for the vids you posted – I don’t have time to watch some NatGeo type docu. And your question was a bit vague anyway.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Again, jouw mening is geen feit.quote:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Vraag me toch af, als je niet in kernwapens gelooft, waar haalt de zon dan zijn energie vandaan? En waar komen de elementen uit het periodiek systeem dan vandaan?
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Grappige is dat Tingo dus blijkbaar gelooft dat kernwapens niet bestaan, daarmee logisch gezien ook radioactiviteit niet, dat sluit elkaar namelijk uit, maar wel meent dat straling gevaarlijk is gezien zijn suggestieve post over microgolf straling in dit topic
BNW / 5G gevaarlijk voor de gezondheid? #2
BNW / 5G gevaarlijk voor de gezondheid? #2
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Dat zou ik niet zo zeggen denk ik. Radioactieve materialen kunnen best bestaan zonder kernwapens.quote:
Grappige is dat Tingo dus blijkbaar gelooft dat kernwapens niet bestaan, daarmee logisch gezien ook radioactiviteit niet, dat sluit elkaar namelijk uit, maar wel meent dat straling gevaarlijk is gezien zijn suggestieve post over microgolf straling in dit topic
BNW / 5G gevaarlijk voor de gezondheid? #2
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ja,ja,ja. Blah,blah,blah.quote:
I already answered a few weeks ago:
I did not claim that my opinion is fact. Neither is yours or anyone else’s for that matter. But we all knew that already.
Please stop repeating yourself and the same cliché, then get to the point - if at all you have one.
I stated facts in the opening post. Feel free to challenge any of them. Be specific please.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Nee dat is het nou juist, je post daar een aantal van jouw persoonlijke meningen, geen feiten. Je spreekt jezelf weer geweldig tegen hier. Andere users hebben die ook al onderuit gehaald, daar mag je eerst verder op in gaan.quote:
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Ja,ja,ja. Blah,blah,blah.
I already answered a few weeks ago:
I did not claim that my opinion is fact. Neither is yours or anyone else’s for that matter. But we all knew that already.
Please stop repeating yourself and the same cliché, then get to the point - if at all you have one.
I stated facts in the opening post. Feel free to challenge any of them. Be specific please.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
In that case you should be able to be more specific.quote:
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Nee dat is het nou juist, je post daar een aantal van jouw persoonlijke meningen, geen feiten.
Which points in the list are not factual?
Please describe why.
I've got a bit of washing up to do, which is more important right now. Fyn avond!
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
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In that case you should be able to be more specific.
Which points in the list are not factual?
Please describe why.
I've got a bit of washing up to do, which is more important right now. Fyn avond!
Dat is een mening, geen feit.quote:There is no difference between that of the 'atomic' or the 1940's napalm bombings aftermath imagery.
Dat je het remarkable vind is een mening, geen feit.quote:The remarkable similarities between 'atomic' and fire-bomb casualties photos.
Zou kunnen, who cares? Waarom is het relevant?quote:That the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in the 1914 SF novel The World Set Free.
Hoe cares? Waarom is dit relevant?quote:That fire-bombs (napalm) were invented as early as 1943.
Bron hiervoor? De B29 was veel meer dan alleen een nuke bomber, en op dat moment al ongeveer een jaar in gebruik tegen Japan. Zelfs als dit waar is, de B29 silverplates waren speciaal aangepast, en geen reguliere B29's. De silverplates waren ook lichter gemaakt, dus de range van de B29 was vast een belangrijke reden. Dit punt is eerder misleidend, en geen feit.quote:That the B29 'nuke' bomber was new, hampered by technical faults and known to be unreliable. Why use it to carry such an important, highly dangerous payload?
Thermal pulse and subsequent fires will do that, yeah.quote:The fact that almost all of the buildings destroyed were made of paper and wood.
Ze maken het zich wel weer erg moeilijk dan, door dit soort verhalen te verzinnen.quote:The miraculous survival adventures, and that none of the 'atomic' bomb survivors were even recognised by their own government until 1957. There were also many reports of there being double (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) survivors and yet only ONE has been recognised by the government and that wasn't until 2009....only months before his death at the ripe old age of 93.
Dat is een mening, geen feit.quote:The vague witness accounts.
Welke dan? Ruikt als meer misleiding.quote:That iconic photos of the event were faked/manipulated/miscaptioned.
Op zijn best een mening, zeker geen feit.quote:That the 'atomic' bomb explosion test footage was 100-tons of TNT allegedly used to imitate and 'test' the effects of an 'atomic' bomb but was very likely used in some of the thousands of crude fear propaganda films.
Zou kunnen, waarom is dat relevant?quote:That thousands of fear propaganda fims were made at Lookout Mountain, a huge military intelligence installation/studio – the biggest and best equipped in Hollywood at the time.
Gelukkig is een grootschalige kernoorlog geen ding geworden nee. Hoe precies is dit "shown not to be true"? Mengsel van mening en misleiding.quote:The hysterical, unproven stories of radiation poisoning, increase in cancer rates, babies with hereditary birth defects due to the effects of an atomic bomb and the huge tracts of land which we were told would be left uninhabitable for centuries after such an event....all of which have been shown NOT to be true.
Dat is een feit jaquote:The alleged 'atomic' bomb was tested for the first time only a few weeks before the 'atomic' bombings allegedly took place.
Waarom is dat een probleem?Zoveel meningen en misleiding in die punten, met hier en daar een feit.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Is al heeeel uitgebreid gedaan vlugge japie, maar daar lees je dan overheen en reageer je niet op.quote:
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I stated facts in the opening post. Feel free to challenge any of them. Be specific please.
Zelden iemand zoveel vragen zien ontwijken, informatie verdraaien voor eigen gewin en dan anderen hiervan betichten. Vervolgens wordt alle wetenschappelijke onderbouwing weggewuifd ten faveure van een of andere youtube filmpje omdat het nep is. En dan gaat diegene anderen lopen vertellen wat er allemaal wel en niet kan wbt nucleaire wapen, ondanks dat die persoon nul verstand heeft van natuurkunde en voor het verschil tussen micro- en millisievert Google moet gebruiken.
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Eigen schuld, plat hoofd
De iene dea rent veur zien leave, den andere wandelt hiel rustig veurbij.
De iene dea rent veur zien leave, den andere wandelt hiel rustig veurbij.
Vooral mooi als ik op elk van de tig punten uit de OP individueel inga, dit gewoon compleet genegeerd wordt.quote:
Zelden iemand zoveel vragen zien ontwijken, informatie verdraaien voor eigen gewin en dan anderen hiervan betichten. Vervolgens wordt alle wetenschappelijke onderbouwing weggewuifd ten faveure van een of andere youtube filmpje omdat het nep is. En dan gaat diegene anderen lopen vertellen wat er allemaal wel en niet kan wbt nucleaire wapen, ondanks dat die persoon nul verstand heeft van natuurkunde en voor het verschil tussen micro- en millisievert Google moet gebruiken.
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De Renault Tingo, blijft doorgaan, nooit last van het verkeer, hindernissen of lastig terrein.quote:
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Vooral mooi als ik op elk van de tig punten uit de OP individueel inga, dit gewoon compleet genegeerd wordt.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Exact dat viel dus op. Zaken waar inhoudelijke kennis of een wetenschappelijke onderbouwing voor is te geven worden even makkelijk aan de kant geschoven en negeren wij maar even voor het gemak. Pure onkunde en onwetendheid die er vanaf straalt.quote:
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Vooral mooi als ik op elk van de tig punten uit de OP individueel inga, dit gewoon compleet genegeerd wordt.
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Eigen schuld, plat hoofd
De iene dea rent veur zien leave, den andere wandelt hiel rustig veurbij.
De iene dea rent veur zien leave, den andere wandelt hiel rustig veurbij.
Wat een lol Tingo houdt de gemoederen bezig en die gast post niet eens wat.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Vind je dat een goed teken?quote:
Wat een lol Tingo houdt de gemoederen bezig en die gast post niet eens wat.
Radio actieve straling komt vrij bij kernsplitsing en kernfusiequote:
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Dat zou ik niet zo zeggen denk ik. Radioactieve materialen kunnen best bestaan zonder kernwapens.
Bij kernfusie kan je een kernwapen niet als onmogelijk zijn, hooguit de technische beperkingen van het maken ervan.
Bij kernsplijting net zo, als je eenmaal voldoende radioactief materiaal bij elkaar hebt om een kettingreactie op gang te brengen die amok loopt en deze lang genoeg weet te containen doet het ook noem.
Of je de technologie hebt of niet hebt om het te maken, of de kennis van zaken is niet relevant.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Dat is niet het enige process waarbij ioniserende straling bij vrijkomt. Dat doet een x-ray buis ook, zonder dat daar kernfusie of splitsing bij nodig is. Bepaalde kernreacties doen dat ook, zonder dat het isotoop daadwerkelijk verandert, bijv gamma decay of internal conversion. Kernwapens zouden zonder die kettingreacties ook niet zomaar mogelijk zijn.quote:
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Radio actieve straling komt vrij bij kernsplitsing en kernfusie
Bij kernfusie kan je een kernwapen niet als onmogelijk zijn, hooguit de technische beperkingen van het maken ervan.
Bij kernsplijting net zo, als je eenmaal voldoende radioactief materiaal bij elkaar hebt om een kettingreactie op gang te brengen die amok loopt en deze lang genoeg weet te containen doet het ook noem.
Of je de technologie hebt of niet hebt om het te maken, of de kennis van zaken is niet relevant.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Atoombommen bestaan niet, want materie bestaat niet uit atomen maar uit ruimtescheepjes. Groetjes, Harriechristus.
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Ik dacht elfenstof.quote:
Atoombommen bestaan niet, want materie bestaat niet uit atomen maar uit ruimtescheepjes. Groetjes, Harriechristus.
A child is born with no state of mind.
Ohja!quote:
Atoombommen bestaan niet, want materie bestaat niet uit atomen maar uit ruimtescheepjes. Groetjes, Harriechristus.
Damn, dat is lang geleden zeg.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
There is no difference to be seen in hundreds of photographs after a fire-bombing or after an ‘atomic’ bombing. Look at the photos and point out the differences between the 'atomic' and fire-bomb(napalm) imagery. Please list the 'numerous side-effects'.quote:
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[quote]Oh yes there is, damage from atomic bombs is way more extensive and causes numerous side effects that napalm doesn't.
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No difference then, so the pictures of which are claimed to be ‘atomic’ bomb casualties could also be napalm bomb casualties. It is not 'pretty logical' to believe whatever you get told.quote:They both have the ability to burn people, so that's pretty logical.
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It doesn’t ‘prove’ anything and I didn’t claim it did. I thought it an interesting fact that's all. It might show where the hoaxsters get their silly ideas from…..science fiction. There are other examples of early science fiction being presented as real.quote:How does that prove anything?
[..]quote:Again, totally unrelated. They probably invented a whole lot more shit around that time, so what?
I think it is related. I didn't know, and was a bit surprised to read, that the invention of napalm was so much earlier than the 1960’s. Like many people, I thought napalm was first used on Vietnam.
A lot of people still think that Dresden was bombed by conventional explosives. Napalm/fire-bomb was a new weapon in the 1940's.
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[..]quote:You're speaking about Japan during WW2, of course almost all buildings are just paper and wood. That's very usual for Japan.
No shit Sherlock.I was just stating a fact of which I wasn't aware of up until a few years ago. I thought it might've been of interest for some readers.
It’d be difficult NOT to recognise a victim/survivor/ witness etc. if there was as much evidence/proof as you seem to think there is.quote:Recognition leads to a shitload of claims, and costs a lot of money. This does not mean at all that nuclear weapons don't exist.
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I’m just stating interesting facts which I didn’t know of until quite recently.
Post some witness/survival acccounts which have convinced you of that the history books are true. I wasn’t writing about atomic energy, btw.quote:Just as vague as your list. No reason atomic energy doesn't exist.
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I didn’t say it did. People have their own eyes and brains to decide for themselves. There are photos which are clearly fake (the shadows on the walls and pavements etc.) and some photos have been of other natural disasters such as earthquakes but have been misused in the ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda.quote:Because it looks fake to you, doesn't mean it is fake. Even if it is fake, it still doesn't disprove nuclear weapons.
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It was discussed earlier . I haven't seen any source from you to back up the claims that it was ‘atomic’.quote:Any source to back up that this was in fact not nuclear?
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I didn't write that. I wrote : the biggest and best equipped STUDIO in Hollywood at the time. You should do some reading about it. They most likely used footage of real TNT explosions as templates for the 'atomic' bomb fear propaganda films.quote:Oh, maybe because they wanted to record it, and it was as you say yourself, the biggest and best military intelligence installation?
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Post some examples which you think are true. I didn't say I had 'disproven' anything, I have presented some facts which raise important questions. There is no proof of it ever happening in the first place. It was all propaganda.quote:There are a lot of examples of these cases to indeed happen, why are they not true? E.g. cancer patients, numerous birth defects from people that were near nuclear blasts or nuclear installation meltdowns, etc. How have you disproven this?
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No, and I didn't claim that either. I was stating a fact, not an opinion.quote:So? Does this prove nuclear weapons do not exist?
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Sorry, I can’t really make enough sense of the above sentences to bother replying.quote:A lot of things happen in war that were not necessary. This does not disprove at all that a nuclear weapon does not exist.
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'Same shit' as what exactly?quote:Same shit.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Tingo, heb je ook bewijs voor je bovenstaande beweringen?
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
De plaat blijft ook wel weer nogal hangen bij de twee nukes op Japan...
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Interesting that an inventor of chroma key (greenscreen/bluescreen/special effects) technology was also so involved in the development of the 'atomic' bomb.....or at least the 'atomic' bomb footage. The whole link about Oak Ridge (spooky military 'closed city') is also very interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key
'1950, Warner Brothers employee and ex-Kodak researcher Arthur Widmer began working on an ultraviolet travelling matte process. He also began developing bluescreen techniques: one of the first films to use them was the 1958 adaptation of the Ernest Hemingway novella, The Old Man and the Sea, starring Spencer Tracy.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Widmer
'Arthur Widmer began his career at Kodak in 1935, as a researcher in Rochester, New York. He learned much, and being seen as a creative thinker was attached on a three-year stint in 1943 as one of the Kodak researchers assigned to the Manhattan Project in Berkeley, California and Oak Ridge, Tennessee, as an analytical chemist developing methods of uranium analysis, which led to the development of the atomic bomb.'
'The Academy's Science and Technology committee honored Widmer for helping develop methods for advancing the art of storytelling on film: Most notable: processes that make it seem as if actors are in faraway locations when in fact they are working on sound stages in Hollywood or elsewhere.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge,_Tennessee
Oak Ridge is a city in Anderson and Roane counties in the eastern part of the U.S. state of Tennessee, about 25 miles (40 km) west of Knoxville. Oak Ridge's population was 29,330 at the 2010 census.[5] It is part of the Knoxville Metropolitan Area. Oak Ridge's nicknames include the Atomic City,[6] the Secret City,[7] the Ridge, and the City Behind the Fence.[8]
Oak Ridge was established in 1942 as a production site for the Manhattan Project—the massive American, British, and Canadian operation that developed the atomic bomb. As it is still the site of Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Y-12 National Security Complex, scientific development still plays a crucial role in the city's economy and culture in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key
'1950, Warner Brothers employee and ex-Kodak researcher Arthur Widmer began working on an ultraviolet travelling matte process. He also began developing bluescreen techniques: one of the first films to use them was the 1958 adaptation of the Ernest Hemingway novella, The Old Man and the Sea, starring Spencer Tracy.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Widmer
'Arthur Widmer began his career at Kodak in 1935, as a researcher in Rochester, New York. He learned much, and being seen as a creative thinker was attached on a three-year stint in 1943 as one of the Kodak researchers assigned to the Manhattan Project in Berkeley, California and Oak Ridge, Tennessee, as an analytical chemist developing methods of uranium analysis, which led to the development of the atomic bomb.'
'The Academy's Science and Technology committee honored Widmer for helping develop methods for advancing the art of storytelling on film: Most notable: processes that make it seem as if actors are in faraway locations when in fact they are working on sound stages in Hollywood or elsewhere.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge,_Tennessee
Oak Ridge is a city in Anderson and Roane counties in the eastern part of the U.S. state of Tennessee, about 25 miles (40 km) west of Knoxville. Oak Ridge's population was 29,330 at the 2010 census.[5] It is part of the Knoxville Metropolitan Area. Oak Ridge's nicknames include the Atomic City,[6] the Secret City,[7] the Ridge, and the City Behind the Fence.[8]
Oak Ridge was established in 1942 as a production site for the Manhattan Project—the massive American, British, and Canadian operation that developed the atomic bomb. As it is still the site of Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Y-12 National Security Complex, scientific development still plays a crucial role in the city's economy and culture in general.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Als hij begon met chroma key in 1950 en het voor het eerst werd toegepast in 1958 dan kunnen dus de atoomtest voor die tijd daarmee niet gefaked zijn.
Maar goed, alsof je ooit op argumenten ingaat
Maar goed, alsof je ooit op argumenten ingaat
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Interessante docu over de beslissing.
Met veel achtergrond informatie 😎
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
In which case you should be able to back up your opinion and point out the differences.quote:
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Dat is een mening, geen feit.
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Ok, plain old similarities then. It is a fact that the images are very similar. Point out the differences instead of repeating a cliché.quote:Dat je het remarkable vind is een mening, geen feit.
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I care. It is a fact, relevant or not.quote:Zou kunnen, who cares? Waarom is het relevant?
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I care. Relevant or not, it is a fact.quote:Hoe cares? Waarom is dit relevant?
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Maybe I'll post a bron/more info later. The B29 was designed as a high-altitude bomber but did not succeed as such because of technical (engine) difficulties , so was then used as a low-altitude bomber.quote:Bron hiervoor? De B29 was veel meer dan alleen een nuke bomber, en op dat moment al ongeveer een jaar in gebruik tegen Japan. Zelfs als dit waar is, de B29 silverplates waren speciaal aangepast, en geen reguliere B29's. De silverplates waren ook lichter gemaakt, dus de range van de B29 was vast een belangrijke reden. Dit punt is eerder misleidend, en geen feit.
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Thermal pulse huh. Is dat 'voornamelijk' of 'vooral' thermal pulse? Sounds about as vague as the unsubstantiated claims you have repeated about electro-magnetic pulse.quote:Thermal pulse and subsequent fires will do that, yeah.
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Napalm was enough to do the job, as can be seen in the fire-bomb aftermath imagery.
Partially blinded and deafened, wading through rivers of women and children melted together, then catching a train and getting to work in Nagasaki just in time to witness the second 'atomic' bomb. There are a lot of different versions of the same story. But OK, if you believe that stuff, fine.quote:Ze maken het zich wel weer erg moeilijk dan, door dit soort verhalen te verzinnen.
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FACT: There are several different versions of the same miraculous (ridiculous) witness story.quote:Dat is een mening, geen feit.
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The miscaptioned photos of earthquakes, shadows on the walls and pavements. If you believe them to be real, who cares? Not me.quote:Welke dan? Ruikt als meer misleiding.
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It is a fact that huge TNT explosions were used to imitate/measure the effects of an 'atomic' bomb.quote:Op zijn best een mening, zeker geen feit.
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Tis niet maar 'zou kunnen' - het is 'n feit dat duizenden propaganda films geproduceerd, ge-edit, gemaakt in de LookOut Mountain military intelligence studios waren.That you continue to believe (and quite hilariously try to defend) silly propaganda films from seventy years ago is your problem.quote:Zou kunnen, waarom is dat relevant?
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I didn't mention anything about a 'grootschalige kernoorlog' and I don't know why you have. I was referring to what we have been told about the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings. How have the claims (radiation poisoning, increase in cancer rates, babies with hereditary birth defects due to the effects of an atomic bomb and the huge tracts of land which we were told would be left uninhabitable for centuries after such an event) been proved to be true? Please be specific and show us that the claims regarding the aftermath of an atomic bomb are without question, true.quote:Gelukkig is een grootschalige kernoorlog geen ding geworden nee. Hoe precies is dit "shown not to be true"? Mengsel van mening en misleiding.
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I stated it as a fact, not a problem....or an opinion....before you go repeating the same cliché.quote:Dat is een feit ja. Waarom is dat een probleem?
I have posted facts, not opinions and/or misleading points. You have written/presented absolutely NOTHING to back up your belief in the atomic bomb claims. You are merely reiterating what we have been told/taught for over seventy years. You seem to be more interested in arguing about what is fact and/or opinion.quote:Zoveel meningen en misleiding in die punten, met hier en daar een feit.
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Anyway, I've taken some of my limited time to respond to your usual shallow bullshit.
I have stated facts on which I have based my opinion. Nowhere have I claimed my opinion to be fact. You are trying to start an argument by repeating a cliché. Laughable.
Oh and btw lads, I honestly don't give flying fuck if people believe the 'atomic' bomb stories or not. I don't believe the 'atomic' propaganda and I don't see why it is important for you (or your cohorts) to try and tell me otherwise. I wouldn't mind so much if any of you presented a valid argument to substantiate the regurgitated claims, instead of the snidy remarks, editing of my posts, trying to put words in my mouth and twisting what I've written. I might respond again in the unlikely event that you (or anyone else) actually posts something of interest, but I'm pretty much done wasting time with this forum.
Napalm or atomic bomb victims?
https://upload.wikimedia.(...)pects-Hiroshima.webm
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
No. As most people should know, it's not at all unusual for the military to be developing and using certain technology years before it ever comes into commercial/civilian use.quote:
Als hij begon met chroma key in 1950 en het voor het eerst werd toegepast in 1958 dan kunnen dus de atoomtest voor die tijd daarmee niet gefaked zijn.
Maar goed, alsof je ooit op argumenten ingaat
As for me 'ooit op argumenten ingaat'....I'm not looking for an argument - but you and your cohorts are. I haven't seen anything from you 'nukists' to change my opinion.
In case you didn't read the information properly... Arthur A.Widmer began his career at Kodak in 1935 and then worked at the spooky Oak Ridge military installation/town for three years (1943-1946)
Kodak and Mr.Widmer have a patent from 1944, which would've been when Widmer was working at the spooky Oak Ridge military town.
Photographic filter and antihalation layers
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2405106A/en
I've no reason to doubt that Mr.Widner was quite brilliant in his field of photographic special effects. The ground-breaking imagery that he helped to create so many years ago is still fooling people to this very day....but there are more reasons behind that than the technology alone.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ah, natuurlijk, het leger heeft de technologie al jaren voor deze ontwikkeld is, en dat zonder enig bewijs, Maar deze almachtige militair industrie is niet in staat kernwapens te maken. Dat is een leugen
En dan gewoon even een patent erbij halen waarvan je duidelijk geen idee hebt waar dat patent over gaat.
En dan gewoon even een patent erbij halen waarvan je duidelijk geen idee hebt waar dat patent over gaat.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Kodak? Als in Kodak camera?quote:
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No. As most people should know, it's not at all unusual for the military to be developing and using certain technology years before it ever comes into commercial/civilian use.
As for me 'ooit op argumenten ingaat'....I'm not looking for an argument - but you and your cohorts are. I haven't seen anything from you 'nukists' to change my opinion.
In case you didn't read the information properly... Arthur A.Widmer began his career at Kodak in 1935 and then worked at the spooky Oak Ridge military installation/town for three years (1943-1946)
Kodak and Mr.Widmer have a patent from 1944, which would've been when Widmer was working at the spooky Oak Ridge military town.
Photographic filter and antihalation layers
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2405106A/en
I've no reason to doubt that Mr.Widner was quite brilliant in his field of photographic special effects. The ground-breaking imagery that he helped to create so many years ago is still fooling people to this very day....but there are more reasons behind that than the technology alone.
Ah dat verklaard de enorme flits bij een nucleaire explosie...
Moet wel enorme camera zijn geweest dan.
De power output moet enorm zijn geweest, natuurlijk aangestuurd door middel van een kernreactor, verklaard ook in een keer de fallout en zo..
Damn Tingo.. op een of andere manier begin ik deze logica te snappen.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Zoals nukes, toevallig?quote:
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No. As most people should know, it's not at all unusual for the military to be developing and using certain technology years before it ever comes into commercial/civilian use.
Alleen jij kan dit soort onzin uit je toetsenbord krijgen zonder dat je daadwerkelijk begrijpt wat je zegt.
Conscience do cost.
It seems I was wrong in complimenting Mr.Widmer so much.There was a lot of film fakery going on even in WWI and as we all should know by now – Hollywood and the military have been close friends for over a hundred years.
But anyway, maybe the military required certain expertise to help make those ridiculous 'atomic' bomb propaganda films and couldn't find many people who were skilled and crooked enough to take part in the scam. Maybe Arthur Widmer was one of the people who took the job....working at the spooky Oak Ridge military town from 1943-1946.
Anyway – for the readers who are genuinely interested....
https://shootsystems.com/the-history-of-green-screen/
The dawn of the blue screen
'The history of green screen began in earnest with the invention of chroma key technology in the 1930s. Larry Butler, who used the “blue screen travelling matte” technique to impressive effect in 1940’s The Thief of Bagdad, realised that using a single colour as a backdrop for filming could help filmmakers isolate the actors from the background and make special effects easier to create. The colour he selected for this process was blue, because it was sufficiently different from the actors’ skin colours, so foreground and background could be separated more easily.'
Hollywood's History of Faking It | The Evolution of Greenscreen Compositing
http://theconversation.co(...)n-screen-green-92989
'Green screens were originally blue when chroma keying was first used in 1940 by Larry Butler on The Thief of Baghdad – which won him the Academy Award for special effects. Since then, green has become more common.'
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We learn something every day - or at least most of us do.
But anyway, maybe the military required certain expertise to help make those ridiculous 'atomic' bomb propaganda films and couldn't find many people who were skilled and crooked enough to take part in the scam. Maybe Arthur Widmer was one of the people who took the job....working at the spooky Oak Ridge military town from 1943-1946.
Anyway – for the readers who are genuinely interested....
https://shootsystems.com/the-history-of-green-screen/
The dawn of the blue screen
'The history of green screen began in earnest with the invention of chroma key technology in the 1930s. Larry Butler, who used the “blue screen travelling matte” technique to impressive effect in 1940’s The Thief of Bagdad, realised that using a single colour as a backdrop for filming could help filmmakers isolate the actors from the background and make special effects easier to create. The colour he selected for this process was blue, because it was sufficiently different from the actors’ skin colours, so foreground and background could be separated more easily.'
Hollywood's History of Faking It | The Evolution of Greenscreen Compositing
http://theconversation.co(...)n-screen-green-92989
'Green screens were originally blue when chroma keying was first used in 1940 by Larry Butler on The Thief of Baghdad – which won him the Academy Award for special effects. Since then, green has become more common.'
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We learn something every day - or at least most of us do.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Als kernwapens niet bestaan (hebben) of tot explosie zijn gebracht, waarom is het dan onmogelijk stralingsvrij staal te produceren?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
En waarom is het dan nodig c14 datering te kalibreren op 1950?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
Maar post gerust nog wat gekeuvel over special effects in de filmindustrie, ga vooral nergens op in.
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
En waarom is het dan nodig c14 datering te kalibreren op 1950?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
Maar post gerust nog wat gekeuvel over special effects in de filmindustrie, ga vooral nergens op in.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
The 'low background steel' you mention can better be explained by technical advances in steel production of the time rather than the effects of 'atomic' or any other sort of bombs.quote:
Als kernwapens niet bestaan (hebben) of tot explosie zijn gebracht, waarom is het dan onmogelijk stralingsvrij staal te produceren?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
En waarom is het dan nodig c14 datering te kalibreren op 1950?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
Maar post gerust nog wat gekeuvel over special effects in de filmindustrie, ga vooral nergens op in.
I've read the links you posted and both come across as leaning toward scientistic nukist jargon/mumbo jumbo, but anyway, thanks for mentioning it.
Here's some basic information which may be of interest :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_steel_industry_(1850%E2%80%931970)
Bethlehem Steel
'After 1945 Bethlehem doubled its steel capacity, a measure of the widespread optimism in the industry. However the company ignored the new technologies then being developed in Europe and Japan. '
'The Bethlehem Steel workers have not been awarded this compensation because the radiation dose involved in processing fresh uranium fuel is low, and produces a small risk relative to the baseline risk'
The steel industry in the U.S. prospered during and after World War II, while the steel industries in Germany and Japan lay devastated by Allied bombardment.
Japan:
'MITI located steel mills and organized a domestic market; it sponsored Yawata Steel Company. Japanese engineers and entrepreneurs internally developed the necessary technological and organizational capabilities, planned the transfer and adoption of technology, and gauged demand and sources of raw materials and finances.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)l_Trade_and_Industry
'MITI was created with the split of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry in May 1949 and given the mission for coordinating international trade policy with other groups, such as the Bank of Japan, the Economic planning Agency, and the various commerce-related cabinet ministries. At the time it was created, Japan was still recovering from the economic disaster of World War II.'
'These policies to promote domestic industry and to protect it from international competition were strongest in the 1950s and 1960s.'
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Heerlijk hoe je geheel niet ingaat op de vraag, en over iets volledig anders een hoop gelul neerzet.quote:
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The 'low background steel' you mention can better be explained by technical advances in steel production of the time rather than the effects of 'atomic' or any other sort of bombs.
I've read the links you posted and both come across as leaning toward scientistic nukist jargon/mumbo jumbo, but anyway, thanks for mentioning it.
Here's some basic information which may be of interest :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_steel_industry_(1850%E2%80%931970)
Bethlehem Steel
'After 1945 Bethlehem doubled its steel capacity, a measure of the widespread optimism in the industry. However the company ignored the new technologies then being developed in Europe and Japan. '
'The Bethlehem Steel workers have not been awarded this compensation because the radiation dose involved in processing fresh uranium fuel is low, and produces a small risk relative to the baseline risk'
The steel industry in the U.S. prospered during and after World War II, while the steel industries in Germany and Japan lay devastated by Allied bombardment.
Japan:
'MITI located steel mills and organized a domestic market; it sponsored Yawata Steel Company. Japanese engineers and entrepreneurs internally developed the necessary technological and organizational capabilities, planned the transfer and adoption of technology, and gauged demand and sources of raw materials and finances.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)l_Trade_and_Industry
'MITI was created with the split of the Ministry of Commerce and Industry in May 1949 and given the mission for coordinating international trade policy with other groups, such as the Bank of Japan, the Economic planning Agency, and the various commerce-related cabinet ministries. At the time it was created, Japan was still recovering from the economic disaster of World War II.'
'These policies to promote domestic industry and to protect it from international competition were strongest in the 1950s and 1960s.'
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Betere productie technieken maakt modern staal lichtelijk radioactief?quote:
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The 'low background steel' you mention can better be explained by technical advances in steel production of the time rather than the effects of 'atomic' or any other sort of bombs.
How the hell does that make any sense?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Jij hebt over staal productie begonnen. Is 't onmogelijk om stralingsvrij staal te produceren?quote:
Als kernwapens niet bestaan (hebben) of tot explosie zijn gebracht, waarom is het dan onmogelijk stralingsvrij staal te produceren?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
En waarom is het dan nodig c14 datering te kalibreren op 1950?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
Maar post gerust nog wat gekeuvel over special effects in de filmindustrie, ga vooral nergens op in.
The 'low background steel' you refer to can better be explained by technical advances in steel production of the time (late 1940's) and/or background radiation rather than the effects of 'atomic' bombs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)radioactive_material
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation
As for the link about carbon dating...the man who invented it, Willard Libby, was a pro-nukist and also involved in the Manhattan Project.
Carbon dating is nowhere near as reliable as what people are led to believe, so why would the scientists be so sure that the measurements were so accurate?
Heel veel uitgebrede informatie over staal, maar dan helemaal niks over 'low background steel' te vinden.....
https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel
The above article is originally from 1999 and has been edited several times over the years, yet the term 'low background steel' is nowhere to be found.
There seems to be a lot of discussion about 'low background steel' on different forums over the last ten years or so, but it all seems a bit vague....and all seems to be discussing the exact same text/article.
Who discovered 'low background steel' ?
How was it discovered?
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hoe dan?quote:
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Jij hebt over staal productie begonnen. Is 't onmogelijk om stralingsvrij staal te produceren?
The 'low background steel' you refer to can better be explained by technical advances in steel production of the time (late 1940's) and/or background radiation rather than the effects of 'atomic' bombs.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Maybe you should try posting some interesting information to back up your opinons instead of asking vague, shilly questions. Please be specific!quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ja misschien moet je dat eens doen ja... Hoe kunnen moderne staal productiemethoden verklaren dat het nu licht radioactief is?quote:
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Maybe you should try posting some interesting information to back up your opinons instead of asking vague, shilly questions. Please be specific!
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
You didn't read my post properly.quote:
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Ja misschien moet je dat eens doen ja... Hoe kunnen moderne staal productiemethoden verklaren dat het nu licht radioactief is?
Who discovered 'low background steel' ?
How was it discovered?
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
I looked it up and haven't been able to find very much detailed info about it, maybe you with your scientistic shilliness can do better. Please enlighten us!
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Prima als je je claim niet hard kan maken, maar maak dan ook niet van die domme claims.quote:
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You didn't read my post properly.
Who discovered 'low background steel' ?
How was it discovered?
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
I looked it up and haven't been able to find very much detailed about it, maybe you with your scientistic shilliness can do better. Please enlighten us!
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I asked a few very straightforward questions that I have been unable to find the answers to.quote:
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Prima als je je claim niet hard kan maken, maar maak dan ook niet van die domme claims.
Maybe with your scientistic know-it-all wisdom has a better source.
Who discovered 'low background steel' ?
How was it discovered?
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
Maybe your cohort Piet de Verdrietig knows better.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Waarom is dat relevant?quote:
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I asked a few very straightforward questions that I have been unable to find the answers to.
Maybe with your scientistic know-it-all wisdom has a better source.
Who discovered 'low background steel' ?
How was it discovered?
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
Maybe your cohort Piet de Verdrietig knows better.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
For the genuinely interested:
The (pre-atomic) 'low background steel' subject seems to have just appeared on the internet around 10 years ago.
There's a lot of discussion been going on which is mostly based on the same vague claim/article, but there seems to be no information available about when, how or by whom it was discovered. I'm sure we would've heard from the nukist camp by now if the information actually existed, but we haven't, so until the info is provided, we can assume that the 'low background steel' issue is just another piece of bullshit in the whole silly 'atomic' bomb scientistic nonsense story.
The 'low background steel' can better be attributed to steel production techniques/industry/recycling etc. Maybe the so-called 'low background steel' does not exist at all and is just another chapter that has been made up by the hoaxsters to support the enormous, hideous lie.
The stories about pre- 'atomic' ships being salvaged for 'low background' steel has got nothing to do with it – it is puely and simply about money.
Here's some more information about steel production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_oxygen_steelmaking
'The process was developed in 1948 by Swiss engineer Robert Durrer and commercialized in 1952–1953 by the Austrian steelmaking company VOEST and ÖAMG. The LD converter, named after the Austrian towns Linz and Donawitz (a district of Leoben) is a refined version of the Bessemer converter where blowing of air is replaced with blowing oxygen. It reduced capital cost of the plants, time of smelting, and increased labor productivity. Between 1920 and 2000, labor requirements in the industry decreased by a factor of 1,000, from more than three man-hours per metric ton to just 0.003.[3] The majority of steel manufactured in the world is produced using the basic oxygen furnace. In 2000, it accounted for 60% of global steel output.'
'In 1943, Durrer, formerly a professor at the Berlin Institute of Technology, returned to Switzerland and accepted a seat on the board of Roll AG, the country's largest steel mill. In 1947 he purchased the first small 2.5-ton experimental converter from the US, and on April 3, 1948 the new converter produced its first steel.[5] The new process could conveniently process large amounts of scrap metal with only a small proportion of primary metal necessary.[6] In the summer of 1948 Roll AG and two Austrian state-owned companies, VOEST and ÖAMG, agreed to commercialize the Durrer process.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voestalpine
Post war, development of Linz-Donawitz process (1948-1990)
In the summer of 1948 VÖEST, ÖAMG and Swiss Roll AG agreed to co-develop the basic oxygen steelmaking process proposed by Robert Durrer (itself a development of Henry Bessemer's 1858 patent).[35] By June 1949 VÖEST developed an adaptation of Durrer's process, the LD (Linz-Donawitz) process,[34][36] (German: LD Verfahren; U.S. names: Oxygen Converter Process, Basic Oxygen Furnace Process, BOP, OSM).[37] In December 1949 the VÖEST and the ÖAMG committed to building their first 30-ton oxygen converters.[36] They were put into operation in November 1952 and May 1953[36] and temporarily created a surge in steel-related research.[38] Thirty-four thousand businesspeople and engineers visited the VÖEST converter by 1963.[38] The LD process reduced processing time and capital costs per ton of steel, contributing to the competitive advantage of Austrian steel.[34] However, errors made by the VÖEST and the ÖAMG management in licensing their technology made control over its adoption elsewhere impossible and by the end of the 1950s the Austrians lost their competitive edge.[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc_furnace
While EAFs were widely used in World War II for production of alloy steels, it was only later that electric steelmaking began to expand. The low capital cost for a mini-mill—around US$140–200 per ton of annual installed capacity, compared with US$1,000 per ton of annual installed capacity for an integrated steel mill—allowed mills to be quickly established in war-ravaged Europe, and also allowed them to successfully compete with the big United States steelmakers, such as Bethlehem Steel and U.S. Steel, for low-cost, carbon steel "long products" (structural steel, rod and bar, wire, and fasteners) in the U.S. market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelmaking
The (pre-atomic) 'low background steel' subject seems to have just appeared on the internet around 10 years ago.
There's a lot of discussion been going on which is mostly based on the same vague claim/article, but there seems to be no information available about when, how or by whom it was discovered. I'm sure we would've heard from the nukist camp by now if the information actually existed, but we haven't, so until the info is provided, we can assume that the 'low background steel' issue is just another piece of bullshit in the whole silly 'atomic' bomb scientistic nonsense story.
The 'low background steel' can better be attributed to steel production techniques/industry/recycling etc. Maybe the so-called 'low background steel' does not exist at all and is just another chapter that has been made up by the hoaxsters to support the enormous, hideous lie.
The stories about pre- 'atomic' ships being salvaged for 'low background' steel has got nothing to do with it – it is puely and simply about money.
Here's some more information about steel production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_oxygen_steelmaking
'The process was developed in 1948 by Swiss engineer Robert Durrer and commercialized in 1952–1953 by the Austrian steelmaking company VOEST and ÖAMG. The LD converter, named after the Austrian towns Linz and Donawitz (a district of Leoben) is a refined version of the Bessemer converter where blowing of air is replaced with blowing oxygen. It reduced capital cost of the plants, time of smelting, and increased labor productivity. Between 1920 and 2000, labor requirements in the industry decreased by a factor of 1,000, from more than three man-hours per metric ton to just 0.003.[3] The majority of steel manufactured in the world is produced using the basic oxygen furnace. In 2000, it accounted for 60% of global steel output.'
'In 1943, Durrer, formerly a professor at the Berlin Institute of Technology, returned to Switzerland and accepted a seat on the board of Roll AG, the country's largest steel mill. In 1947 he purchased the first small 2.5-ton experimental converter from the US, and on April 3, 1948 the new converter produced its first steel.[5] The new process could conveniently process large amounts of scrap metal with only a small proportion of primary metal necessary.[6] In the summer of 1948 Roll AG and two Austrian state-owned companies, VOEST and ÖAMG, agreed to commercialize the Durrer process.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voestalpine
Post war, development of Linz-Donawitz process (1948-1990)
In the summer of 1948 VÖEST, ÖAMG and Swiss Roll AG agreed to co-develop the basic oxygen steelmaking process proposed by Robert Durrer (itself a development of Henry Bessemer's 1858 patent).[35] By June 1949 VÖEST developed an adaptation of Durrer's process, the LD (Linz-Donawitz) process,[34][36] (German: LD Verfahren; U.S. names: Oxygen Converter Process, Basic Oxygen Furnace Process, BOP, OSM).[37] In December 1949 the VÖEST and the ÖAMG committed to building their first 30-ton oxygen converters.[36] They were put into operation in November 1952 and May 1953[36] and temporarily created a surge in steel-related research.[38] Thirty-four thousand businesspeople and engineers visited the VÖEST converter by 1963.[38] The LD process reduced processing time and capital costs per ton of steel, contributing to the competitive advantage of Austrian steel.[34] However, errors made by the VÖEST and the ÖAMG management in licensing their technology made control over its adoption elsewhere impossible and by the end of the 1950s the Austrians lost their competitive edge.[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc_furnace
While EAFs were widely used in World War II for production of alloy steels, it was only later that electric steelmaking began to expand. The low capital cost for a mini-mill—around US$140–200 per ton of annual installed capacity, compared with US$1,000 per ton of annual installed capacity for an integrated steel mill—allowed mills to be quickly established in war-ravaged Europe, and also allowed them to successfully compete with the big United States steelmakers, such as Bethlehem Steel and U.S. Steel, for low-cost, carbon steel "long products" (structural steel, rod and bar, wire, and fasteners) in the U.S. market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steelmaking
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Ik snap verder niet wat dit tornt aan het nucleaire principe.quote:
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You should be able to read that at the beginning of my post....and then read it again before you post inane questions.quote:
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dat hij nog steeds bijzonder weinig van dit onderwerp snapt.quote:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Je beantwoord de vraag niet. Wat is je punt? Je begrijpt duidelijk niet waar het over gaat.quote:
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You should be able to read that at the beginning of my post....and then read it again before you post inane questions.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Probleem met uranium (bijvoorbeeld 238U) is niet de radioactiviteit, maar dat het nogal giftig is zoals alle zware metalen, vooral als het een oplosbare verbinding is.quote:
Voor de debunkies, duck and cover
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Mastermind Tuin & Co zullen het vast kunnen weerleggen. Duck and Cover
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Ben je bereid een discussie erover te voeren of ren je straks weer weg?quote:
Mastermind Tuin & Co zullen het vast kunnen weerleggen. Duck and Cover
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
En wat is je punt?quote:
Voor de debunkies, duck and cover
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dat de Nick CopyPaste treffender was geweestquote:
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Punterdepunt is toch niet zo lastig te vatten maar oké, fear mongering oftewel a nuclear scare scam zoals Winsor destijds al uit de doeken deed misschien moet je de man eens aanhoren kun je hem debunken. 
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
En hoe volgt dat uit die video?quote:
Punterdepunt is toch niet zo lastig te vatten maar oké, fear mongering oftewel a nuclear scare scam zoals Winsor destijds al uit de doeken deed misschien moet je de man eens aanhoren kun je hem debunken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
There seems to be a lot of discussion about 'low background steel' on different forums over the last ten years or so, but it all seems a bit vague....and all seems to be discussing the exact same text/article.
When was this so-called 'low background' steel first discovered?
Who discovered 'low background' steel ?
How was 'low background' steel discovered?
Nobody seems to know.
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
Even the references on the wiki page are vague to say the least, all have been written within the last 10 years and provide absolutely no answers to the these very simple questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
I was kind of hoping (certainly not expecting) that at least one or two of the self proclaimed scientistic brains on this forum would be able to help out in the discussion and provide more information. Niet dus. Ah well, never mind.
The 'low background' steel issue is about as stoopid as the 'vooral(of voornamelijk) EMP' scientistic, fearmongering bunkum. Hilarious!
Speaking of which, are there updates re: the EMP THEORY ?
When was this so-called 'low background' steel first discovered?
Who discovered 'low background' steel ?
How was 'low background' steel discovered?
Nobody seems to know.
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
Even the references on the wiki page are vague to say the least, all have been written within the last 10 years and provide absolutely no answers to the these very simple questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
I was kind of hoping (certainly not expecting) that at least one or two of the self proclaimed scientistic brains on this forum would be able to help out in the discussion and provide more information. Niet dus. Ah well, never mind.
The 'low background' steel issue is about as stoopid as the 'vooral(of voornamelijk) EMP' scientistic, fearmongering bunkum. Hilarious!
Speaking of which, are there updates re: the EMP THEORY ?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hoe verklaar je het bestaan van zoiets eigenlijk? Zitten alle staalproducenten in de wereld in het complot, en zijn ze sinds de jaren 40 allemaal een snufje cobalt-60 aan het proces toe gaan voegen?quote:
There seems to be a lot of discussion about 'low background steel' on different forums over the last ten years or so, but it all seems a bit vague....and all seems to be discussing the exact same text/article.
When was this so-called 'low background' steel first discovered?
Who discovered 'low background' steel ?
How was 'low background' steel discovered?
Nobody seems to know.
When was the term 'low background steel' first used and by whom?
Even the references on the wiki page are vague to say the least, all have been written within the last 10 years and provide absolutely no answers to the these very simple questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
I was kind of hoping (certainly not expecting) that at least one or two of the self proclaimed scientistic brains on this forum would be able to help out in the discussion and provide more information. Niet dus. Ah well, never mind.
The 'low background' steel issue is about as stoopid as the 'vooral(of voornamelijk) EMP' scientistic, fearmongering bunkum. Hilarious!
Speaking of which, are there updates re: the EMP THEORY ?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
@Tingo en @cad nieuwe serie slaan het kijken over chernobyl?
Serie geeft mooi beeld weer over wat daar gebeurt is, of... Nog beter, je kan natuurlijk ook een kijkje nemen zoals ik ooit gedaan heb 😊
Oh en mijn advies als je daar bent, negeerde waarschuwing bordjes gewoon, die slaan echt totaal nergens op.
Serie geeft mooi beeld weer over wat daar gebeurt is, of... Nog beter, je kan natuurlijk ook een kijkje nemen zoals ik ooit gedaan heb 😊
Oh en mijn advies als je daar bent, negeerde waarschuwing bordjes gewoon, die slaan echt totaal nergens op.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
It should be easy to look up for yourself, but you're either too lazy to do your own research and/or you have found precisely NOTHING to back up the 'low-background steel' bullshit.quote:
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Hoe verklaar je het bestaan van zoiets eigenlijk? Zitten alle staalproducenten in de wereld in het complot, en zijn ze sinds de jaren 40 allemaal een snufje cobalt-60 aan het proces toe gaan voegen?
Anyway - I'll be kind and give you a start. Maybe you can go through the information provided on the websiites of 'the most dynamic industry associations in the world' . I've no doubt you will quite gleefully post your findings. Veel zoek plezier!
'The World Steel Association (worldsteel) is one of the largest and most dynamic industry associations in the world. worldsteel represents over 160 steel producers (including 9 of the world’s 10 largest steel companies), national and regional steel industry associations, and steel research institutes. worldsteel members represent around 85% of world steel production.'
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)+in+Figures+2018.pdf
'Six worldsteel members (ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel Europe, Tata Steel Limited, Tenaris, thyssenkrupp AG and voestalpine AG) have been recognised for their outstanding efforts in sustainability activities.'
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Jij beweert wat. Iemand vraagt daar wat over en gelijk begin je te ouwehoeren dat iemand lazy is. Wat is dit?quote:
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It should be easy to look up for yourself, but you're either too lazy to do your own research and/or you have found precisely NOTHING to back up the 'low-background steel' bullshit.
Anyway - I'll be kind and give you a start. Maybe you can go through the information provided on the websiites of 'the most dynamic industry associations in the world' . I've no doubt you will quite gleefully post your findings. Veel zoek plezier!
'The World Steel Association (worldsteel) is one of the largest and most dynamic industry associations in the world. worldsteel represents over 160 steel producers (including 9 of the world’s 10 largest steel companies), national and regional steel industry associations, and steel research institutes. worldsteel members represent around 85% of world steel production.'
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)+in+Figures+2018.pdf
'Six worldsteel members (ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel Europe, Tata Steel Limited, Tenaris, thyssenkrupp AG and voestalpine AG) have been recognised for their outstanding efforts in sustainability activities.'
We blijven rondjes draaien met jou. Beantwoord de vragen en bekijk het bewijs. Wil ji jwel de waarheid weten?
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Je discussieert met iemand die ontkent dat kernwapens bestaan hè, blijf dat in je achterhoofd houden.quote:
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Jij beweert wat. Iemand vraagt daar wat over en gelijk begin je te ouwehoeren dat iemand lazy is. Wat is dit?
We blijven rondjes draaien met jou. Beantwoord de vragen en bekijk het bewijs. Wil ji jwel de waarheid weten?
Er is geen enkel bewijs aangeleverd wat het aannemelijk maakt dat kernwapens niet bestaan, enkel de observatie dat sommige dingen niet zijn zoals meneer verwacht - vage filmpjes en andere materie die je moet snappen om er een oordeel over te vormen.
Ik vraag naar hoe JIJ dit ziet... Wat voor verklaring JIJ hier realistisch ziet.quote:
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It should be easy to look up for yourself, but you're either too lazy to do your own research and/or you have found precisely NOTHING to back up the 'low-background steel' bullshit.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dat is waar, toch blijf ik het op een of andere manier doen.quote:
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Je discussieert met iemand die ontkent dat kernwapens bestaan hè, blijf dat in je achterhoofd houden.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Je blijft ontwijken en over wat anders beginnen.quote:
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It should be easy to look up for yourself, but you're either too lazy to do your own research and/or you have found precisely NOTHING to back up the 'low-background steel' bullshit.
Anyway - I'll be kind and give you a start. Maybe you can go through the information provided on the websiites of 'the most dynamic industry associations in the world' . I've no doubt you will quite gleefully post your findings. Veel zoek plezier!
'The World Steel Association (worldsteel) is one of the largest and most dynamic industry associations in the world. worldsteel represents over 160 steel producers (including 9 of the world’s 10 largest steel companies), national and regional steel industry associations, and steel research institutes. worldsteel members represent around 85% of world steel production.'
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)+in+Figures+2018.pdf
'Six worldsteel members (ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel Europe, Tata Steel Limited, Tenaris, thyssenkrupp AG and voestalpine AG) have been recognised for their outstanding efforts in sustainability activities.'
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
You posted the link to the extremely vague 'stralingsvrij staal' wiki page, which seems to be based on quite recent, dubious references. If you are satisfied with that then it is your problem.quote:
Als kernwapens niet bestaan (hebben) of tot explosie zijn gebracht, waarom is het dan onmogelijk stralingsvrij staal te produceren?
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
You and your cohorts seem to believe it all despite not knowing when, where, how or by whom the so-called 'low background steel' was ever 'discovered'. It seems more likely that there was nothing to be discovered.
Please provide more info re: low background steel. Or just be honest and admit that there is fuck all info to find.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Please, for the love of -Yoink-. Answer the questions...for once...quote:
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You posted the link to the extremely vague 'stralingsvrij staal' wiki page, which seems to be based on quite recent, dubious references. If you are satisfied with that then it is your problem.
You and your cohorts seem to believe it all despite not knowing when, where, how or by whom the so-called 'low background steel' was ever 'discovered'. It seems more likely that there was nothing to be discovered.
Please provide more info re: low background steel. Or just be honest and admit that there is fuck all info to find.
It seems like they can better close this topic, it's pretty disrespectfull, honestly.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Ik zou er best eens naar toe willen al staat het niet hoog op mijn verlanglijst verder zou ik me niet zo druk maken over radiation, is inmiddels een toeristische attractie geworden.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Ben je trouwens alweer vergeten dat het niet alleen staal is? Bij antieke wijn is het bijvoorbeeld ook relevant om de echtheid te bepalen:quote:
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You posted the link to the extremely vague 'stralingsvrij staal' wiki page, which seems to be based on quite recent, dubious references. If you are satisfied with that then it is your problem.
You and your cohorts seem to believe it all despite not knowing when, where, how or by whom the so-called 'low background steel' was ever 'discovered'. It seems more likely that there was nothing to be discovered.
Please provide more info re: low background steel. Or just be honest and admit that there is fuck all info to find.
https://www.npr.org/secti(...)n-wine-fraud-mystery
Lood ook trouwens:
https://www.good.is/articles/the-search-for-low-background-steel
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Argument by YouTube is no argument.quote:
Ik zou er best eens naar toe willen al staat het niet hoog op mijn verlanglijst verder zou ik me niet zo druk maken over radiation, is inmiddels een toeristische attractie geworden.
Kanaal praat ook over platte aarde en is dus voor ultieme gekkies.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Niet zo druk maken over radiation?quote:
Ik zou er best eens naar toe willen al staat het niet hoog op mijn verlanglijst verder zou ik me niet zo druk maken over radiation, is inmiddels een toeristische attractie geworden.
Denk dat de Chernobyl liquidators daar wel wat anders over dachten. En er zijn wel meer voorbeelden van mensen die een te hoge stralingsdosis niet na konden vertellen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)idents_and_incidents
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
In principe wel een sure-fire way om overal een complot in te vinden - gewoon "hoax" erachter zetten en op YouTube zoeken. Altijd wel een downie die het met je eens is.quote:
Ik zou er best eens naar toe willen al staat het niet hoog op mijn verlanglijst verder zou ik me niet zo druk maken over radiation, is inmiddels een toeristische attractie geworden.
Nee joh, straling is fijn en niet schadelijk. Maar ik ga nu even de was opvouwen dus ik ben er weer vandoor!!!!quote:
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Niet zo druk maken over radiation?
En er zijn wel meer voorbeelden van mensen die een te hoge stralingsdosis niet na konden vertellen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)idents_and_incidents
Wat ik me afvraag, als je niet gelooft in de atoombom, kernenergie en straling. Geloof je dan ook niet dat chemotherapie helpt bij mensen met kanker? En als je niet gelooft dat straling schadelijk is, waarom maak je dan wel weer druk over 5G enzo?
vragen, vragen, vragen...
vragen, vragen, vragen...
Waarom? Haha, je kan zeker geen verder info over 'low background steel' vinden dus nu wil je over MIJNE meningen weer beginnen. Paar weken terug hebben we alleen maar afleidende gezeik over meningen en feiten van je gehoord. Not to mention the idiotic cliché : 'Dat is mening, geen feit'.quote:
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Ik vraag naar hoe JIJ dit ziet... Wat voor verklaring JIJ hier realistisch ziet.
Ik wil graag meer info over de low background steel claims zien - maar jij en je cohorts weten dondersgoed dat er helemaal niks meer over te vinden is.
You should be asking yourself why there isn't any basic information to be found rather than asking me my opinion. But no, you'd rather make pathetic attempts to divert the 'discussion' away from 'low background steel' because you have absolutely nothing to back up the dubious claims you believe.
The 'low background steel' subject is based on nothing more than somebody's say-so. And you know it.
Laughable, desperate, pathetic and dishonest. Echt. Nog erger dan je wazige claims over EMP.
Please provide more info re: low background steel. Or just be honest and admit that there is fuck all info to find. Then ask yourself why.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dus volgens jou bestaat low background steel niet?quote:
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Waarom? Haha, je kan zeker geen verder info over 'low background steel' vinden dus nu wil je over MIJNE meningen weer beginnen. Paar weken terug hebben we alleen maar afleidende gezeik over meningen en feiten van je gehoord. Not to mention the idiotic cliché : 'Dat is mening, geen feit'.
Ik wil graag meer info over de low background steel claims zien - maar jij en je cohorts weten dondersgoed dat er helemaal niks meer over te vinden is.
You should be asking yourself why there isn't any basic information to be found rather than asking me my opinion. But no, you'd rather make pathetic attempts to divert the 'discussion' away from 'low background steel' because you have absolutely nothing to back up the dubious claims you believe.
The 'low background steel' subject is based on nothing more than somebody's say-so. And you know it.
Laughable, desperate, pathetic and dishonest. Echt. Nog erger dan je wazige claims over EMP.
Please provide more info re: low background steel. Or just be honest and admit that there is fuck all info to find. Then ask yourself why.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Mensen geloven in een onzichtbare man in de lucht, die noemen ze God.
Maar als er een bankje staat en er staat op "pas op nat" moeten ze eerst voelen.
Dat is dus exact het probleem met straling je ziet het niet je voelt het niet je ruikt het niet.
Dus het bestaat niet.
Maar als er een bankje staat en er staat op "pas op nat" moeten ze eerst voelen.
Dat is dus exact het probleem met straling je ziet het niet je voelt het niet je ruikt het niet.
Dus het bestaat niet.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
I don't quite understand why you're asking me. It's getting a bit creepy to be honest. It's probably a shill tactic.quote:
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Dus volgens jou bestaat low background steel niet?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
One would expect that the discovery of low background steel would be very important to the steel industry, but oddly enough, there is absolutely NOTHING to be found about 'low-background steel' on any steel producer websites. There is absolutely loads of thorough, highly detailed information to be found about pretty much every type of steel known to humankind, but NOTHING about low background steel.
If low background truly exists, there would be reliable, detailed information available about it. Only a fool would believe something which totally LACKS any fundamental information. It should be re-named 'no background steel'.
The history of steel production and development is quite an interesting subject so researching it has not been a waste of time, but trying to have any sort of reasonable discussion about it here clearly is a waste of time. The shameless ignorance and dishonesty of some people here is astonishing....and weird.
Anyway....
Encyclopedia Britannica has a lot of detailed information about the history, steel types and steel production methods but mentions absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'.
https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel
'The World Steel Association (worldsteel) is one of the largest and most dynamic industry associations in the world. worldsteel represents over 160 steel producers (including 9 of the world’s 10 largest steel companies), national and regional steel industry associations, and steel research institutes. worldsteel members represent around 85% of world steel production.'
'Six worldsteel members (ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel Europe, Tata Steel Limited, Tenaris, thyssenkrupp AG and voestalpine AG) have been recognised for their outstanding efforts in sustainability activities.'
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)+in+Figures+2018.pdf
No mention of low background steel.
https://corporate.arcelormittal.com/what-we-do/steel
ArcelorMittal has steelmaking facilities in 19 countries, and we are the leader in all the main steel markets.
Your search for "low background steel" returned 0 results
https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/
Tata Steel is Europe's second largest steel producer, with steelmaking in the UK and Netherlands, and manufacturing plants across Europe.
https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/en/products
Absolutely no mention of low-background steel to be found.
…...
http://www.tenaris.com/en/Products.aspx
Absolutely nothing to be found regarding 'low-background steel'.
https://www.thyssenkrupp.com/en/products/
Absolutely nothing to find about 'low-background steel'.
https://www.voestalpine.com/group/en/products/
“In its business segments, voestalpine is a globally leading technology group with a unique combination of material and processing expertise. With its top-quality products and system solutions using steel and other metals, it is a leading partner to the automotive and consumer goods industries in Europe and to the aerospace, oil and gas industries worldwide. The voestalpine Group is also the world market leader in turnout technology, special rails, tool steel, and special sections.”
http://www.voestalpine.co(...)eel&context=Products
Oh dear - still no mention of 'low-background steel'.
If low background truly exists, there would be reliable, detailed information available about it. Only a fool would believe something which totally LACKS any fundamental information. It should be re-named 'no background steel'.
The history of steel production and development is quite an interesting subject so researching it has not been a waste of time, but trying to have any sort of reasonable discussion about it here clearly is a waste of time. The shameless ignorance and dishonesty of some people here is astonishing....and weird.
Anyway....
Encyclopedia Britannica has a lot of detailed information about the history, steel types and steel production methods but mentions absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'.
https://www.britannica.com/technology/steel
'The World Steel Association (worldsteel) is one of the largest and most dynamic industry associations in the world. worldsteel represents over 160 steel producers (including 9 of the world’s 10 largest steel companies), national and regional steel industry associations, and steel research institutes. worldsteel members represent around 85% of world steel production.'
'Six worldsteel members (ArcelorMittal, Tata Steel Europe, Tata Steel Limited, Tenaris, thyssenkrupp AG and voestalpine AG) have been recognised for their outstanding efforts in sustainability activities.'
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)+in+Figures+2018.pdf
No mention of low background steel.
https://corporate.arcelormittal.com/what-we-do/steel
ArcelorMittal has steelmaking facilities in 19 countries, and we are the leader in all the main steel markets.
Your search for "low background steel" returned 0 results
https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/
Tata Steel is Europe's second largest steel producer, with steelmaking in the UK and Netherlands, and manufacturing plants across Europe.
https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/en/products
Absolutely no mention of low-background steel to be found.
…...
http://www.tenaris.com/en/Products.aspx
Absolutely nothing to be found regarding 'low-background steel'.
https://www.thyssenkrupp.com/en/products/
Absolutely nothing to find about 'low-background steel'.
https://www.voestalpine.com/group/en/products/
“In its business segments, voestalpine is a globally leading technology group with a unique combination of material and processing expertise. With its top-quality products and system solutions using steel and other metals, it is a leading partner to the automotive and consumer goods industries in Europe and to the aerospace, oil and gas industries worldwide. The voestalpine Group is also the world market leader in turnout technology, special rails, tool steel, and special sections.”
http://www.voestalpine.co(...)eel&context=Products
Oh dear - still no mention of 'low-background steel'.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Wellicht ben je gewoon niet zo goed in zoeken
https://www.chemistryworl(...)teel/3009874.article
http://www.sciencemadesim(...)m-sunken-battleships
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.07515.pdf
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1120322
https://www.scmp.com/news(...)pping-rusted-warship
https://www.chemistryworl(...)teel/3009874.article
http://www.sciencemadesim(...)m-sunken-battleships
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.07515.pdf
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1120322
https://www.scmp.com/news(...)pping-rusted-warship
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Omdat je zo vaak om dingen heen draait, en het dan handig is om duidelijk te hebben wat je mening/standpunt hierover is.quote:
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I don't quite understand why you're asking me. It's getting a bit creepy to be honest. It's probably a shill tactic.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Wat ik slecht begrijp, is dat als iemand kernwapens wilt ontkennen, waarom gaat diegene dan alles eromheen proberen te debunken? Waarom niet gewoon kernwapens debunken?
No that's not true. I'm actually pretty good at finding the information I'm looking for.quote:
Wellicht ben je gewoon niet zo goed in zoeken
https://www.chemistryworl(...)teel/3009874.article
http://www.sciencemadesim(...)m-sunken-battleships
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.07515.pdf
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1120322
https://www.scmp.com/news(...)pping-rusted-warship
I read a couple of the articles you posted a few weeks ago and none of them have info regarding when, how, where and by whom 'low-background steel' was discovered. It is simple information which should be easy to find.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Anyway, I got to thinking that if such a material as low-background steel actually exists, it'd be listed on the (commodity) stock markets. Right? I'm not familiar with the stock market so maybe someone who is could find something.
American Metal Market
https://www.amm.com/Pricing/ScrapPrices_FullList.html
Nothing about low background steel to be found.
Leading provider of global metal & steel prices
https://www.metalbulletin.com/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
More about steel prices/stock market:
http://www.metalbulletinr(...)lics-Forecaster.html
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
Popular mechanics,History of Steel:
https://www.popularmechan(...)05/history-of-steel/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
The term was probably just made up only a few years ago by a bunch of dishonest scientists (or a science fiction writer) on the payroll of the atomic hoaxsters.
American Metal Market
https://www.amm.com/Pricing/ScrapPrices_FullList.html
Nothing about low background steel to be found.
Leading provider of global metal & steel prices
https://www.metalbulletin.com/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
More about steel prices/stock market:
http://www.metalbulletinr(...)lics-Forecaster.html
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
Popular mechanics,History of Steel:
https://www.popularmechan(...)05/history-of-steel/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
The term was probably just made up only a few years ago by a bunch of dishonest scientists (or a science fiction writer) on the payroll of the atomic hoaxsters.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Yep, dat jij alleen maar bevestiging zoekt is duidelijkquote:
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No that's not true. I'm actually pretty good at finding the information I'm looking for.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Dus eerst zeg je dat je het niet kan vinden, nou plaatst iemand anders behoorlijk snel de informatie wat je zoekt en dan gooi je het op een ander slap excuus ...quote:
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No that's not true. I'm actually pretty good at finding the information I'm looking for.
I read a couple of the articles you posted a few weeks ago and none of them have info regarding when, how, where and by whom 'low-background steel' was discovered. It is simple information which should be easy to find.
Ja het is makkelijk te vinden maar zodra iemand het vind bedenk je wel weer een of ander slap excuus dat de informatie incorrect onjuist of onlogisch is...
Weet je hoe ik dat noem...
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Droevig.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Droevig is al heel lang het juiste woord ja.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
En behalve maar blijven draaien over staal, over c14 calibratie problemen na ongeveer 1950 hoor je hem ook nietquote:
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Dus eerst zeg je dat je het niet kan vinden, nou plaatst iemand anders behoorlijk snel de informatie wat je zoekt en dan gooi je het op een ander slap excuus ...
Ja het is makkelijk te vinden maar zodra iemand het vind bedenk je wel weer een of ander slap excuus dat de informatie incorrect onjuist of onlogisch is...
Weet je hoe ik dat noem...
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Droevig.
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Over die wijn, kunst en lood ook niet.quote:
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En behalve maar blijven draaien over staal, over c14 calibratie problemen na ongeveer 1950 hoor je hem ook niet
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Hij post zometeen weer een heel verhaal wat verder nergens op slaat of op in gaat.quote:
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Over die wijn, kunst en lood ook niet.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
https://www.good.is/articles/the-search-for-low-background-steelquote:
Anyway, I got to thinking that if such a material as low-background steel actually exists, it'd be listed on the (commodity) stock markets. Right? I'm not familiar with the stock market so maybe someone who is could find something.
American Metal Market
https://www.amm.com/Pricing/ScrapPrices_FullList.html
Nothing about low background steel to be found.
Leading provider of global metal & steel prices
https://www.metalbulletin.com/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
More about steel prices/stock market:
http://www.metalbulletinr(...)lics-Forecaster.html
Nothing to be found about low-background steel
Popular mechanics,History of Steel:
https://www.popularmechan(...)05/history-of-steel/
Nothing to be found about low-background steel.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
The term was probably just made up only a few years ago by a bunch of dishonest scientists (or a science fiction writer) on the payroll of the atomic hoaxsters.
https://www.chemistryworl(...)teel/3009874.article
http://www.sciencemadesim(...)m-sunken-battleships
https://www.scrapmetalfor(...)-radiation-lead.html
Hoe kan je nou zo simpel zijn?
Well, as I expected (because I'd already looked it all up myself weeks ago anyway and none of the nukist-nudist camp fraternity didn't immediately post anything they could not find anyway) the information about 'low-background steel' I've been searching for has not been posted.
When, where, how and by whom it was first discovered. UNKNOWN.
The term 'low-background steel' is not acknowledged or even mentioned on the websites of any major global steel producers, corporations etc, which is unusual, as such a discovery would obviously be very important to them.
The commodity (low-background steel) is not listed on any of the worlds stock markets.....which is a surprise, as it seems that one can invest in pretty much anything and everything these days.
'Low-background steel' is not mentioned in 'The History of Steel' on general information/educative sites such as Popular Mechanics or Encyclopedia Britannica.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
Remember folks – it's often much more important what we DON'T get told/taught.
It seems the term 'low-background steel' first appeared around ten years ago on scientistic discussion forums, mainly based on the vague wiki page, but most of the articles are quite recent (within the last few years or so) and have shown up on the scientistic pages of MSM outlets .....and all follow roughly the same line...pre-'atomic', old battleships, disturbing the war graves etc., but NONE of them state any simple facts of the matter (when,where,how,who etc.)
I do like the sentimental 'disturbing-war-graves' angle though. I had two Great Grandfathers who died in France and Belgium in WWI (most likely of disease rather than german bullets or bombs), and I wouldn't be upset if a farmer wanted to use the land. Maybe I should put in a compensation claim like some people still do to this day, about WWII. Just kidding.
Anyway...
Then there's the story that NASA used 'low-background steel' bits of a battleship for the Voyager 'space-ship'. And that 'low-background steel' is used in the production of satellites.
Oh dear – depending on what your PoV is.:)
Anyway, a special thanks to Piet de Verdrietig who brought up the 'low-background steel' subject. It's been interesting to research it, although for me, the complete lack of reliable information has been even more interesting. I'd be glad to hear of any further information( re: low-background steel) from people who are genuinely interested in discussing the subject.
When, where, how and by whom it was first discovered. UNKNOWN.
The term 'low-background steel' is not acknowledged or even mentioned on the websites of any major global steel producers, corporations etc, which is unusual, as such a discovery would obviously be very important to them.
The commodity (low-background steel) is not listed on any of the worlds stock markets.....which is a surprise, as it seems that one can invest in pretty much anything and everything these days.
'Low-background steel' is not mentioned in 'The History of Steel' on general information/educative sites such as Popular Mechanics or Encyclopedia Britannica.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
Remember folks – it's often much more important what we DON'T get told/taught.
It seems the term 'low-background steel' first appeared around ten years ago on scientistic discussion forums, mainly based on the vague wiki page, but most of the articles are quite recent (within the last few years or so) and have shown up on the scientistic pages of MSM outlets .....and all follow roughly the same line...pre-'atomic', old battleships, disturbing the war graves etc., but NONE of them state any simple facts of the matter (when,where,how,who etc.)
I do like the sentimental 'disturbing-war-graves' angle though.
I had two Great Grandfathers who died in France and Belgium in WWI (most likely of disease rather than german bullets or bombs), and I wouldn't be upset if a farmer wanted to use the land. Maybe I should put in a compensation claim like some people still do to this day, about WWII. Just kidding.Anyway...
Then there's the story that NASA used 'low-background steel' bits of a battleship for the Voyager 'space-ship'. And that 'low-background steel' is used in the production of satellites.
Oh dear – depending on what your PoV is.:)
Anyway, a special thanks to Piet de Verdrietig who brought up the 'low-background steel' subject. It's been interesting to research it, although for me, the complete lack of reliable information has been even more interesting. I'd be glad to hear of any further information( re: low-background steel) from people who are genuinely interested in discussing the subject.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hoe bedoel je? Dat staal is er altijd al geweest, dus wat nou ontdekken? Je hebt het simpelweg over staal dat voor het bestaan van kernwapens is geproduceerd.quote:
Well, as I expected (because I'd already looked it all up myself weeks ago anyway and none of the nukist-nudist camp fraternity didn't immediately post anything they could not find anyway) the information about 'low-background steel' I've been searching for has not been posted.
When, where, how and by whom it was first discovered. UNKNOWN.
Dat er verder niemand post "what you've been searching for" lijkt me logisch, maar die reden moet je toch echt dichter bij jezelf zoeken.
Bullshit, om zo veel redenenquote:
Well, as I expected (because I'd already looked it all up myself weeks ago anyway and none of the nukist-nudist camp fraternity didn't immediately post anything they could not find anyway) the information about 'low-background steel' I've been searching for has not been posted.
When, where, how and by whom it was first discovered. UNKNOWN.
The term 'low-background steel' is not acknowledged or even mentioned on the websites of any major global steel producers, corporations etc, which is unusual, as such a discovery would obviously be very important to them.
Zo groot is die markt bijvoorbeeld niet. En de clue is nou juist dat je het niet zomaar kan produceren...Jouw surprise hier is geen argument.quote:The commodity (low-background steel) is not listed on any of the worlds stock markets.....which is a surprise, as it seems that one can invest in pretty much anything and everything these days.
Damn zeg, moet je nou ook al glashard gaan liegen? Je hebt nota bene hier een aantal van die links gekregen.quote:'Low-background steel' is not mentioned in 'The History of Steel' on general information/educative sites such as Popular Mechanics or Encyclopedia Britannica.
Conspicuous by it's absence.
Remember folks – it's often much more important what we DON'T get told/taught.
quote:Anyway...
Then there's the story that NASA used 'low-background steel' bits of a battleship for the Voyager 'space-ship'. And that 'low-background steel' is used in the production of satellites.
Oh dear – depending on what your PoV is.:)
^2Alsof jij hier in geinteresseerd bent zeg. Daar ben je allang mee door de mand gevallen hier.quote:Anyway, a special thanks to Piet de Verdrietig who brought up the 'low-background steel' subject. It's been interesting to research it, although for me, the complete lack of reliable information has been even more interesting. I'd be glad to hear of any further information( re: low-background steel) from people who are genuinely interested in discussing the subject.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Most likely the metallurgical scientists/engineers employed by the steel industry know very well that the 'low-background steel' subject doing the rounds is pure hyped-up bunkum and that's why there's nothing to be found about 'low-background steel' on steel industry websites.
Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'
Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Je snapt er duidelijk helemaal niks van. Low background steel is geproduceerd vóór de atoombommen. Staalfabrieken produceren het nu.quote:
Most likely the metallurgical scientists/engineers employed by the steel industry know very well that the 'low-background steel' subject doing the rounds is pure hyped-up bunkum and that's why there's nothing to be found about 'low-background steel' on steel industry websites.
Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'
Maargoed, ratel er maar overheen hoor.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 05-06-2019 23:35:53 ]
Of je zuigt dit gewoon uit je duim.quote:
Most likely the metallurgical scientists/engineers employed by the steel industry know very well that the 'low-background steel' subject doing the rounds is pure hyped-up bunkum and that's why there's nothing to be found about 'low-background steel' on steel industry websites.
Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ik begrijp niet dat men hier nog moeite doet om een discussie aan te gaan met zo'n respectloze discussiepartner.
Jeetje.
Anyway, for those cyberspace friends that might be genuinely interested in the subject...
Here's quite a comprehensive list of links regarding the steel market. I haven't read everything on every link as there is a huge amount of information available, but I can find absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'. Give it a try! I'd be very interested in any substanstial findings!
http://www.themetallurgist.co.uk/directory/steel.shtml
And a few I read/searched:
The American Iron and Steel Institute.
https://www.steel.org/about-aisi/history
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.steel.org/sustainability/recycling
“Each year, North American steelmaking furnaces consume nearly 70 million tons of domestic steel scrap in the production of new steel. Recycling is at the very heart of the steel industry’s commitment to sustainability. By using steel scrap to make new steel, the North American steel industry conserves energy, emissions, raw materials and natural resources.
This need for a continuous feedstock of steel scrap directly drives the recycling of many common steel products, including cans, cars, appliances, and construction materials. And, the physical characteristics of steel enable it to be recycled continuously—without loss of quality or strength.
The industry’s commitment to recycling reaches beyond the material itself. In fact, greater than 90 percent of the co-products from the steel making process are reused or recycled. This includes products, like slag, water, gasses, dusts and energy.
This commitment drives the reduction of steel’s environmental footprint, while producing advanced, highly recycled steel products that meet an advancing society’s needs.”
http://www.keytosteel.com/en/search.aspx?s=low-background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Steel industry news and business information.
https://www.steelonthenet.com/
No pages were found that match your query.
Please check the search tips and try another search.
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)low+background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
International Steel Statistics Bureau : Steel Trade Data Specialists
http://www.issb.co.uk/
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
Anyway, for those cyberspace friends that might be genuinely interested in the subject...
Here's quite a comprehensive list of links regarding the steel market. I haven't read everything on every link as there is a huge amount of information available, but I can find absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'. Give it a try! I'd be very interested in any substanstial findings!
http://www.themetallurgist.co.uk/directory/steel.shtml
And a few I read/searched:
The American Iron and Steel Institute.
https://www.steel.org/about-aisi/history
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.steel.org/sustainability/recycling
“Each year, North American steelmaking furnaces consume nearly 70 million tons of domestic steel scrap in the production of new steel. Recycling is at the very heart of the steel industry’s commitment to sustainability. By using steel scrap to make new steel, the North American steel industry conserves energy, emissions, raw materials and natural resources.
This need for a continuous feedstock of steel scrap directly drives the recycling of many common steel products, including cans, cars, appliances, and construction materials. And, the physical characteristics of steel enable it to be recycled continuously—without loss of quality or strength.
The industry’s commitment to recycling reaches beyond the material itself. In fact, greater than 90 percent of the co-products from the steel making process are reused or recycled. This includes products, like slag, water, gasses, dusts and energy.
This commitment drives the reduction of steel’s environmental footprint, while producing advanced, highly recycled steel products that meet an advancing society’s needs.”
http://www.keytosteel.com/en/search.aspx?s=low-background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Steel industry news and business information.
https://www.steelonthenet.com/
No pages were found that match your query.
Please check the search tips and try another search.
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)low+background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
International Steel Statistics Bureau : Steel Trade Data Specialists
http://www.issb.co.uk/
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Waarom ben je daarover bij staalproducenten aan het zoeken?quote:
Jeetje.
Anyway, for those cyberspace friends that might be genuinely interested in the subject...
Here's quite a comprehensive list of links regarding the steel market. I haven't read everything on every link as there is a huge amount of information available, but I can find absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'. Give it a try! I'd be very interested in any substanstial findings!
http://www.themetallurgist.co.uk/directory/steel.shtml
And a few I read/searched:
The American Iron and Steel Institute.
https://www.steel.org/about-aisi/history
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.steel.org/sustainability/recycling
“Each year, North American steelmaking furnaces consume nearly 70 million tons of domestic steel scrap in the production of new steel. Recycling is at the very heart of the steel industry’s commitment to sustainability. By using steel scrap to make new steel, the North American steel industry conserves energy, emissions, raw materials and natural resources.
This need for a continuous feedstock of steel scrap directly drives the recycling of many common steel products, including cans, cars, appliances, and construction materials. And, the physical characteristics of steel enable it to be recycled continuously—without loss of quality or strength.
The industry’s commitment to recycling reaches beyond the material itself. In fact, greater than 90 percent of the co-products from the steel making process are reused or recycled. This includes products, like slag, water, gasses, dusts and energy.
This commitment drives the reduction of steel’s environmental footprint, while producing advanced, highly recycled steel products that meet an advancing society’s needs.”
http://www.keytosteel.com/en/search.aspx?s=low-background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Steel industry news and business information.
https://www.steelonthenet.com/
No pages were found that match your query.
Please check the search tips and try another search.
https://www.worldsteel.or(...)low+background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
International Steel Statistics Bureau : Steel Trade Data Specialists
http://www.issb.co.uk/
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Toch opmerkelijk hoe Mensen als Tingo niet begrijpen dat een wetenschappelijke wereldaanschouwing consistent is. Kernwapens bestaan en zijn gebruikt, in oorlog en in testen. Wat overeenkomt met de natuurkunde en de manier waarop materie is. Dit komt ook overeen met het kunnen aantonen van bv valse oude wijn en kunst. Het komt overeen met dat modern staal niet echt geschikt is voor bv geigertellers. Maar oud staal wel. Het komt ook overeen met de nuldatum of baseline van c14 metingen. Met kerncentrales en hoe uranium daarin tot plutonium wordt en wat je vervolgens met plutonium kan doen.
Isotopen en hun aanwezigheid in bv landbouw producten laten bv zien dat bepaalde asperges uit Polen komen en andere uit Nederland.
Dit alles is consistent en grijpt in elkaar.
De wereldaanschouwing van Tingo is inconsistent en heeft meer losse einden dan een uitgebrande Renault.
Dat dit voor Tingo geen probleem is laat zien dat hij zijn eigen standpunt geeneens echt begrijpt.
Isotopen en hun aanwezigheid in bv landbouw producten laten bv zien dat bepaalde asperges uit Polen komen en andere uit Nederland.
Dit alles is consistent en grijpt in elkaar.
De wereldaanschouwing van Tingo is inconsistent en heeft meer losse einden dan een uitgebrande Renault.
Dat dit voor Tingo geen probleem is laat zien dat hij zijn eigen standpunt geeneens echt begrijpt.
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
I got to thinking about the corrosive effects on steel in seawater.
Does seawater corrode steel faster?
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=552
“Yes, it accelerates it . Water is the enabler of fast oxidation of iron so freshwater will also cause rust. However, salt water is a very good conductor (lots of dissociated ions) and so there are a number of electrolysis reactions that tremendously accelerate corrosion in salt water. There is a lot of information on corrosion on the web...”
Does seawater corrode steel faster?
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=552
“Yes, it accelerates it . Water is the enabler of fast oxidation of iron so freshwater will also cause rust. However, salt water is a very good conductor (lots of dissociated ions) and so there are a number of electrolysis reactions that tremendously accelerate corrosion in salt water. There is a lot of information on corrosion on the web...”
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This company sells a whole range of radiation detection devices and gives detailed technical information about it's products :
http://www.laurussystems.com/Scrap-metal-radiation-detection.htm
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
Radiation detection and monitoring technologies:
http://www.radiationsolutions.ca/steel/
“In order to certify the final steel product is free from radioactivity, RSI offers laboratory equipment to measure samples of the final product.”
Search results for: low-background steel.Couldn't find what you're looking for!
Radiation detection systems.Leaders in the design, manufacture and service of highly sensitive radiation detection systems
http://www.radcommsystems(...)est&searchphrase=all
Total: 0 results found.
RAE Systems, Inc. is a leading global provider of rapidly deployable connected, intelligent gas and radiation detection systems
https://www.raesystems.com/search?search=low-background+steel
There are no results that match your query. Please try again.
MEASUREMENT OF RADIOACTIVITY IN STEEL (1999)
https://inis.iaea.org/col(...)31025595.pdf?r=1&r=1
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Phew. It's been fun and interesting but try as I might, I have been unable to find any information at all regarding 'low-background steel' on websites of the industries which would know something about it.
http://www.laurussystems.com/Scrap-metal-radiation-detection.htm
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
Radiation detection and monitoring technologies:
http://www.radiationsolutions.ca/steel/
“In order to certify the final steel product is free from radioactivity, RSI offers laboratory equipment to measure samples of the final product.”
Search results for: low-background steel.Couldn't find what you're looking for!
Radiation detection systems.Leaders in the design, manufacture and service of highly sensitive radiation detection systems
http://www.radcommsystems(...)est&searchphrase=all
Total: 0 results found.
RAE Systems, Inc. is a leading global provider of rapidly deployable connected, intelligent gas and radiation detection systems
https://www.raesystems.com/search?search=low-background+steel
There are no results that match your query. Please try again.
MEASUREMENT OF RADIOACTIVITY IN STEEL (1999)
https://inis.iaea.org/col(...)31025595.pdf?r=1&r=1
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Phew. It's been fun and interesting but try as I might, I have been unable to find any information at all regarding 'low-background steel' on websites of the industries which would know something about it.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ben je nou expres zo dom aan het doen? Wat denk je dat 'steel free from radioactivity is"quote:
This company sells a whole range of radiation detection devices and gives detailed technical information about it's products :
http://www.laurussystems.com/Scrap-metal-radiation-detection.htm
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.
Radiation detection and monitoring technologies:
http://www.radiationsolutions.ca/steel/
“In order to certify the final steel product is free from radioactivity, RSI offers laboratory equipment to measure samples of the final product.”
Search results for: low-background steel.Couldn't find what you're looking for!
Radiation detection systems.Leaders in the design, manufacture and service of highly sensitive radiation detection systems
http://www.radcommsystems(...)est&searchphrase=all
Total: 0 results found.
RAE Systems, Inc. is a leading global provider of rapidly deployable connected, intelligent gas and radiation detection systems
https://www.raesystems.com/search?search=low-background+steel
There are no results that match your query. Please try again.
MEASUREMENT OF RADIOACTIVITY IN STEEL (1999)
https://inis.iaea.org/col(...)31025595.pdf?r=1&r=1
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Phew. It's been fun and interesting but try as I might, I have been unable to find any information at all regarding 'low-background steel' on websites of the industries which would know something about it.
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Compleet off-topic dit.quote:
I got to thinking about the corrosive effects on steel in seawater.
Does seawater corrode steel faster?
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=552
“Yes, it accelerates it . Water is the enabler of fast oxidation of iron so freshwater will also cause rust. However, salt water is a very good conductor (lots of dissociated ions) and so there are a number of electrolysis reactions that tremendously accelerate corrosion in salt water. There is a lot of information on corrosion on the web...”
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It is claimed in the articles doing the rounds over the last few years that 'low-background steel' is used in the manufacture of Geiger counters. Rather than blindly trust the unsubstantiated claims of these articles, I looked it up:
Geiger counter manufacturers:
https://www.geigercounters.com/AboutGeigers/
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Build your own !
https://www.researchgate.(...)eiger-muller_counter
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.environmental(...)geiger-counter-27616
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
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There are loads of pre-'atomic', pre-1945 steel-framed buildings, bridges. How much 'low-background steel' is required I wonder.
Geiger counter manufacturers:
https://www.geigercounters.com/AboutGeigers/
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Build your own !
https://www.researchgate.(...)eiger-muller_counter
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.environmental(...)geiger-counter-27616
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
............
There are loads of pre-'atomic', pre-1945 steel-framed buildings, bridges. How much 'low-background steel' is required I wonder.
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Na een minuut zoeken op google:quote:
It is claimed in the articles doing the rounds over the last few years that 'low-background steel' is used in the manufacture of Geiger counters. Rather than blindly trust the unsubstantiated claims of these articles, I looked it up:
Geiger counter manufacturers:
https://www.geigercounters.com/AboutGeigers/
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
Build your own !
https://www.researchgate.(...)eiger-muller_counter
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
https://www.environmental(...)geiger-counter-27616
No mention of 'low-background steel'.
............
There are loads of pre-'atomic', pre-1945 steel-framed buildings, bridges. How much 'low-background steel' is required I wonder.
https://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1139/v56-031
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Dat het niet op websites over staal zou staan is overigens ook onzin:
http://www.stainless-stee(...)ackground-steel.html
http://www.stainless-stee(...)ackground-steel.html
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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One minute to find on google huh? And how long did you take to actually read and understand it?quote:
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Na een minuut zoeken op google:
https://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1139/v56-031
Maybe you should quote any information which you find relevant to whatever point you are desperately trying to make.
The term 'low-background steel' is not used once throughout the whole (1951) paper.
Even the word 'steel' is used only twice. Nowhere is it mentioned that pre-1945 steel is used in the geiger counter manufacturing process. The paper is about a low background Gieger counter and says nothing about 'low-background steel' being used in the manufacture of geiger counters.
The alleged after-effects of the 'atomic' bombs on the environment and on steel-making are also never even mentioned.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
'Low-background steel is steel produced before the atomic bombs'quote:
Dat het niet op websites over staal zou staan is overigens ook onzin:
http://www.stainless-stee(...)ackground-steel.html
There is absolutely no reliable information to back up this claim. It is complete and utter say-so and follows the same shallow, stupid storyline as the other dubious articles which appeared around the same time.
'valuable low-background steel'
Righto. If it has a value then we should be able to find a price per kilo or whatever. There are hundreds of thousands of tons of pre-'atomic' steel in and around every city. There is no point in going to the trouble of salvaging scrap from old ships which have been rotting in salt water for almost 80 years. There is also radiation in the ocean itself.
This 14-page technical paper (2013) from the same site you linked does not mention 'low-background steel' :
http://www.stainless-steel-world.net/pdf/BSSAbook_sample.pdf
You have still not presented any reliable information whatsoever to back-up your beliefs in the 'low-background steel' baloney. Your opinion is based on nothing more than say-so and unsubstantiated claims.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
quote:
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One minute to find on google huh? And how long did you take to actually read and understand it?
Maybe you should quote any information which you find relevant to whatever point you are desperately trying to make.
The term 'low-background steel' is not used once throughout the whole (1951) paper.
Even the word 'steel' is used only twice. Nowhere is it mentioned that pre-1945 steel is used in the geiger counter manufacturing process. The paper is about a low background Gieger counter and says nothing about 'low-background steel' being used in the manufacture of geiger counters.
The alleged after-effects of the 'atomic' bombs on the environment and on steel-making are also never even mentioned.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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I got to thinking about geiger counter components....and if any at all are indeed made with l'ow-background steel'. It seems not.
Some info I just found out about geiger counters....
'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.
Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.
I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.
Some info I just found out about geiger counters....
'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.
Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.
I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ik heb een artikel gevonden over auto's waar niets over banden wordt gezegd.
Auto's hebben daarom volgens mij geen banden.
Auto's hebben daarom volgens mij geen banden.
Oh dat kan ik je prima uitleggen hoe ze dat doen, maar dat is bij jou totaal verspilde moeite...quote:
I got to thinking about geiger counter components....and if any at all are indeed made with l'ow-background steel'. It seems not.
Some info I just found out about geiger counters....
'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.
Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.
I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Wat leuks/interessants om te kijken:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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quote:
Ik heb een artikel gevonden over auto's waar niets over banden wordt gezegd.
Auto's hebben daarom volgens mij geen banden.
Ook al wordt low background steel niet genoemd, waarrom bewijst dat dat kernwapens niet bestaan? Je redeneringen worden echt al gekker en gekker. Lost the fucking plot.quote:
I got to thinking about geiger counter components....and if any at all are indeed made with l'ow-background steel'. It seems not.
Some info I just found out about geiger counters....
'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.
Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.
I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.
No irony involved. Please stop trying to sound clever.quote:
Seriously - Why do you (or anyone else) believe the completely unfounded claims about 'low-background steel'? Write a short,clear, specific but straightforward list and post it. It'd stimulate the 'discussion'.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Bovenop alles wat hier al gepost is? Dat heeft totaal geen nut meer. Doe jezelf nou eens een plezier, en zoek op hoe het zit met die geiger counters. Hint: je zat al op de juiste wiki pagina. Je moet alleen niet stoppen met lezen zodra je het voor jou wenselijke antwoord denkt te hebben gevonden...quote:
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No irony involved. Please stop trying to sound clever.
Seriously - Why do you (or anyone else) believe the completely unfounded claims about 'low-background steel'? Write a short,clear, specific but straightforward list and post it. It'd stimulate the 'discussion'.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Ik wil graag wat meer info over de zogenaamde 'low-background steel' lezen. I mistakenly thought that you or one of the other (self-proclaimed) marvellous scientistic brains would be able to share your wisdom.quote:
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Bovenop alles wat hier al gepost is? Dat heeft totaal geen nut meer. Doe jezelf nou eens een plezier, en zoek op hoe het zit met die geiger counters. Hint: je zat al op de juiste wiki pagina. Je moet alleen niet stoppen met lezen zodra je het voor jou wenselijke antwoord denkt te hebben gevonden...
Niet dus. Anyone can go on a forum and claim to be a 'scientist' of some sort.
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Je hebt daar meer dan genoeg over gehad van diverse users in dit topic. Zelfs je eigen bronnen spraken hierover, terwijl je dat zelf niet door had. Als je meer wil hebben, ga lekker zelf zoeken.quote:
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Ik wil graag wat meer info over de zogenaamde 'low-background steel' lezen. I mistakenly thought that you or one of the other (self-proclaimed) marvellous scientistic brains would be able to share your wisdom.
Niet dus. Anyone can go on a forum and claim to be a 'scientist' of some sort.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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No we haven't.quote:
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Je hebt daar meer dan genoeg over gehad van diverse users in dit topic. Zelfs je eigen bronnen spraken hierover, terwijl je dat zelf niet door had. Als je meer wil hebben, ga lekker zelf zoeken.
Please post a short simple list explaining why you believe the ridiculous,unfounded claims made about 'low-background steel', then we might be able to go further with the 'discussion'.
Just admit you are WRONG and save yourself before you end up looking even more foolish.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Jij hebt wel duidelijk gemaakt dat je geen interesse hebt in een fatsoenlijke discussie.quote:
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No we haven't.
Please post a short simple list explaining why you believe the ridiculous,unfounded claims made about 'low-background steel', then we might be able to go further with the 'discussion'.
Just admit you are WRONG and save yourself before you end up looking even more foolish.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Did I? Please post a short simple list of why you believe the ridiculous claims made about 'low-background steel' or stfu.quote:
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Jij hebt wel duidelijk gemaakt dat je geen interesse hebt in een fatsoenlijke discussie.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Jup, en niet alleen bij dit onderwerp.quote:
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Did I? Please post a short simple list of why you believe the ridiculous claims made about 'low-background steel' or stfu.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Wat basics over de werking van een kernbom, en waar ze de energie vandaan halen.
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Langere lezing over dit onderwerp:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Ik zou graag weten wanneer en door wie/welke organisatie, deze film gemaakt was. Weet jij dat?quote:
Wat basics over de werking van een kernbom, en waar ze de energie vandaan halen.
1950's ?Lookout Mountain, Los Alamos en/of Oak Ridge Labs misschien?
9:00 : 'The energy can be put to some use...The sun has this combination...'
Hmm, then within a minute, the video shows us examples of solar and hydroelectric power.
I looked it up and was surprised to see that solar power was first dicovered so far back as 1876 and hydro-power around the same time and their growth, since before the 1940's, continues to be collossal.
But anyway....according to the 1950's propaganda film:
“The scientists knew that the fission of 1lb of uranium could produce as much energy as 1400 tons of coal or 250.000 gallons of gasoline. The question was of how to do it....”
World's First Hydro-Electric Dam (Debdon Dam)
Oh so they didn't already know how to do it ! ?
Steam turbine technology has also progressed in leaps and bounds, as I posted a short while ago, but you can also easily look it up for yourself.
But anyway, am not getting into an 'atomic energy' discussion right now as I haven't quite yet finished with the EMP THEORY and 'low-background steel' issues.
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Heb jij zelf 2uurlang de video gekeken?quote:
Zou helpen als je kan 'n korte samenvatting of 'n paar referentie punten in de videos maken (tijdstippen,quotes enz.) ipv. bijna twee urenlang vid plaatsen dat de meeste mensen hier (of in de hele wereld) heel weinig verstaan van hebben.
Anyhoos – iets over de verhaalverteller :
Matthew Bunn is an American nuclear and energy policy analyst, currently a professor of practice at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University. He is the Co-principal Investigator for the Belfer Center's Project on Managing the Atom.
Bunn served as an adviser to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from 1994-1996.
Is he a real nuclear scientist? Nee eh? Neither was his Dad. It seems more like that he is some kind of spokesperson/PR man.who has written loads of articles and made quite a few TV appearances regarding 'nuclear terrorism' and other such fearmongering propaganda.
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Heb je dan werkelijk niets inhoudelijks te melden?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Dat is niet heel bijzonder, stralingsvrij staal wordt al jaren toegepast.quote:
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But anyway, am not getting into an 'atomic energy' discussion right now as I haven't quite yet finished with the EMP THEORY and 'low-background steel' issues.
De informatie kan je vinden op Wikipedia, met keurige bronvermeldingen.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
Wat ik mij eigenlijk afvraag is of er überhaupt een opleiding voor bestaat, de uitvinders van de atoom bom hadden er toch ook niet voor gestudeerd dus leuk dat je het aanhaalt maar het zegt niks.quote:
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Heb jij zelf 2uurlang de video gekeken?
Zou helpen als je kan 'n korte samenvatting of 'n paar referentie punten in de videos maken (tijdstippen,quotes enz.) ipv. bijna twee urenlang vid plaatsen dat de meeste mensen hier (of in de hele wereld) heel weinig verstaan van hebben.
Anyhoos – iets over de verhaalverteller :
Matthew Bunn is an American nuclear and energy policy analyst, currently a professor of practice at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University. He is the Co-principal Investigator for the Belfer Center's Project on Managing the Atom.
Bunn served as an adviser to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from 1994-1996.
Is he a real nuclear scientist? Nee eh? Neither was his Dad. It seems more like that he is some kind of spokesperson/PR man.who has written loads of articles and made quite a few TV appearances regarding 'nuclear terrorism' and other such fearmongering propaganda.
De gebroeders Wright waren fietsenmakers... Dus als je zo redeneert bestaat het vliegtuig niet eens!
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Hij heeft een achtergrond in het managen van nucleaire technologie, lijkt me een prima achtergrond om over de basics te praten zoals in die videos. Maar blijkbaar is het interessanter om over de boodschapper te praten dan over de boodschapquote:
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Wat ik mij eigenlijk afvraag is of er überhaupt een opleiding voor bestaat, de uitvinders van de atoom bom hadden er toch ook niet voor gestudeerd dus leuk dat je het aanhaalt maar het zegt niks.
De gebroeders Wright waren fietsenmakers... Dus als je zo redeneert bestaat het vliegtuig niet eens!
Voor het ontwerpen van die dingen zit je meer richting nuclear physics, een veld wat al veel langer bestaat dan de eerste gedachten over kernwapens.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Beide links 'n aantal keren al gepost zijn. Dat had je ook al door als je de hele topic had gelezen.quote:Op dinsdag 9 juli 2019 22:47 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:
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Dat is niet heel bijzonder, stralingsvrij staal wordt al jaren toegepast.
De informatie kan je vinden op Wikipedia, met keurige bronvermeldingen.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralingsvrij_staal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
Hoeveel jaren toegepast denk jij? Wanneer, waar, hoe en door wie 'low background steel' ontdekt was?
Wat precies van de 'keurige bronvwermeldingen' vind je zo interessant?
Doe maar 'n quoteje of vijf. Please try and be specific.
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Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Heb je de hele 2-uur durende videos gekeken/geluisterd/begrijpen?quote:
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Wat ik mij eigenlijk afvraag is of er überhaupt een opleiding voor bestaat, de uitvinders van de atoom bom hadden er toch ook niet voor gestudeerd dus leuk dat je het aanhaalt maar het zegt niks.
De gebroeders Wright waren fietsenmakers... Dus als je zo redeneert bestaat het vliegtuig niet eens!
Als 'nee' - no problem.That'd be at least an honest answer.
Als 'ja': Wat voor punten vind jij zo interessant?
Start of vid – book recommendations:
“The Los Alamos Primer is an amazing document. This is the lectures that was given to the scientists upon their arrival at Los Alamos(1943).” says the nucllear PR/analyst/adviser/fear-propagandist.
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Tingo op 10-07-2019 20:59:15 ]
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dus... Vliegtuigen bestaan niet.quote:
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Heb je de hele 2-uur durende videos gekeken/geluisterd/begrijpen?
Als 'nee' - no problem.That'd be at least an honest answer.
Als 'ja': Wat voor punten vind jij zo interessant?
Start of vid – book recommendations:
“The Los Alamos Primer is an amazing document. This is the lectures that was given to the scientists upon their arrival at Los Alamos(1943).” says the nucllear PR/analyst/adviser/fear-propagandist.
BTW.. jij plant hier ook zoveel neer en zoveel andere topics maar...
Jij bent geen wetenschapper.
Jij bent geen architect.
Jij bent geen video editor.
Jij bent geen dokter/arts.
Jij bent geen rechercheur.
Jij bent geen journalist.
Jij bent geen professor.
Jij bent geen psycholoog.
Etc etc etc.
Dus... Alles wat jij zegt kunnen wij ook gelijk de prullenbak in mikken, want het klopt geen moer van, want als je geen expert ergens in bent of er in afgestudeerd heb je gewoon geen recht van spreken.
Aldus jou eigen analyse.
Daarvoor hoef ik geen 2 uur durende video voor te kijken.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Als je een docu kijkt van neil degrasse tyson krijg je ook gewoon uitleg in normale taal geen val jargon, als je wil weten hoe dat wel gaat even de big bang theorie kijken, daar word je er mee dood gemept met giga dosis humor.quote:
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Hij heeft een achtergrond in het managen van nucleaire technologie, lijkt me een prima achtergrond om over de basics te praten zoals in die videos. Maar blijkbaar is het interessanter om over de boodschapper te praten dan over de boodschap
Voor het ontwerpen van die dingen zit je meer richting nuclear physics, een veld wat al veel langer bestaat dan de eerste gedachten over kernwapens.
Ik voel me net Penny als ik die afleveringen wel eens kijk 😅
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Doet iemand dat?quote:
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Heb je de hele 2-uur durende videos gekeken/geluisterd/begrijpen?
Wat dat zegt iets negatiefs over de verdere inhoud van de video?quote:
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Heb je de hele 2-uur durende videos gekeken/geluisterd/begrijpen?
Als 'nee' - no problem.That'd be at least an honest answer.
Als 'ja': Wat voor punten vind jij zo interessant?
Start of vid – book recommendations:
“The Los Alamos Primer is an amazing document. This is the lectures that was given to the scientists upon their arrival at Los Alamos(1943).” says the nucllear PR/analyst/adviser/fear-propagandist.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
But anyway....about the online-video lecture....
Within the first minute,Matthew Bunn even begins his 'lecture' (most likely reiterating all the fearmongering baloney we have been told about 'atomic' bombs for almost 80 years) with a book recommendation stating that the Los Alamos Primer was an amazing document and mostly right.
Here is some (condensed) information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_Primer
Spooky.imo.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Tingo op 12-07-2019 00:11:16 ]
Within the first minute,Matthew Bunn even begins his 'lecture' (most likely reiterating all the fearmongering baloney we have been told about 'atomic' bombs for almost 80 years) with a book recommendation stating that the Los Alamos Primer was an amazing document and mostly right.
Here is some (condensed) information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_Primer
A fundamentally historical document rather than a scientifically obsolete document. The scientists and handlers (for whatever reasons) carry on with some clever sounding 'geewhizgollygosh' nonsense which they knew the masses (in 1943) would not dare to question.The horror! The fear!quote:'They also explored designs involving spheroids, a primitive form of "implosion" (suggested by Richard C. Tolman),'
'The Primer became designated as the first official Los Alamos technical report (LA-1), and though its information about the physics of fission and weapon design was soon rendered obsolete, it is still considered a fundamental historical document in the history of nuclear weapons.'
Scientistic fictions and theories! Whatever next!quote:'In 1992, an edited version of the Primer with many annotations and explanations by Serber was published with an introduction by Richard Rhodes.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rhodes
'Rhodes came to national prominence with his 1986 book, The Making of the Atomic Bomb, a narrative of the history of the people and events during World War II from the discoveries leading to the science of nuclear fission in the 1930s, through the Manhattan Project and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Among its many honors, the 900-page book won the Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fiction,[2] the National Book Award for Nonfiction,[3] and a National Book Critics Circle Award,'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Tolman
'In a 1916 experiment with Thomas Dale Stewart, Tolman demonstrated that electricity consists of electrons flowing through a metallic conductor. A by-product of this experiment was a measured value of the mass of the electron.[3] Overall, however, he was primarily known as a theorist.'
Follow the script.quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Serber
'So it fell to Serber to give a series of lectures explaining the basic principles and goals of the project. These lectures were printed and supplied to all incoming scientific staff, and became known as The Los Alamos Primer, LA-1. It was declassified in 1965.'
Spooky.imo.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Tingo op 12-07-2019 00:11:16 ]
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Over de primer zegt hij toch echt duidelijk dat het oa over de physics gaat zoals die in 1943 begrepen werden, dus welk punt denk je hier precies te hebben? Scientificly obsolete is niet hetzelfde als fout, enkel achterhaald!quote:
But anyway....about the online-video lecture....
Within the first minute,Matthew Bunn even begins his 'lecture' (most likely reiterating all the fearmongering baloney we have been told about 'atomic' bombs for almost 80 years) with a book recommendation stating that the Los Alamos Primer was an amazing document and mostly right.
Here is some (condensed) information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_Primer
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A fundamentally historical document rather than a scientifically obsolete document. The scientists and handlers (for whatever reasons) carry on with some clever sounding 'geewhizgollygosh' nonsense which they knew the masses (in 1943) would not dare to question.The horror! The fear!
En dit is nou waarom mensen overtuigt raken dat je geen interesse hebt in een discussie... Wetenschappelijke theorie is nou juist ontzettend belangrijk als je dit soort concepten wil begrijpen. Dus nee, niet whatever next!quote:Scientistic fictions and theories! Whatever next!
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
En dan nog even dit:
Hoezo is het "baloney", wat maakt jou dan de autoriteit om het baloney te noemen? Ik heb je hier nog geen enkel wetenschappelijk feit zien weerleggen. Ik zou graag een voorbeeld van dergelijke onzin zien, en misschien kun je dan uitleggen hoe het wél zit.quote:
But anyway....about the online-video lecture....
Within the first minute,Matthew Bunn even begins his 'lecture' (most likely reiterating all the fearmongering baloney we have been told about 'atomic' bombs for almost 80 years) with a book recommendation stating that the Los Alamos Primer was an amazing document and mostly right.
Maybe the nukist canp could post a straightforward (specific where necessary) list of the reasons why they believe the atomic bomb story. A list that the non-scientfiically-minded amongst us might understand. Have a collective think about it. I'd be glad to read it. Take your time.
Fyn weekend allemaal.
Fyn weekend allemaal.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Wetenschappelijk theorie is en bliijft maar theorie. Praktijk veel belangrijker is.quote:
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Over de primer zegt hij toch echt duidelijk dat het oa over de physics gaat zoals die in 1943 begrepen werden, dus welk punt denk je hier precies te hebben? Scientificly obsolete is niet hetzelfde als fout, enkel achterhaald!
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En dit is nou waarom mensen overtuigt raken dat je geen interesse hebt in een discussie... Wetenschappelijke theorie is nou juist ontzettend belangrijk als je dit soort concepten wil begrijpen. Dus nee, niet whatever next!
'als je dit soort concepten wil begrijpen'. hahaha. Never mind.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Genoeg wetenschappelijke theorien die aan de grondslag liggen van de werking van een moderne computer... Ga je daar dan ook aan twijfelen? Alle computers zijn een hoax, want het is maar een theorie!quote:
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Wetenschappelijk theorie is en bliijft maar theorie. Praktijk veel belangrijker is.
'als je dit soort concepten wil begrijpen'. hahaha. Never mind.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ja ok, maar niet alle theorieen ooit in de praktijk gebruikt worden.quote:
Vrijwel alles wat in de praktijk wordt gebracht begint met een theorie die je uitwerkt.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/theorist
'someone who develops ideas about the explanation for events'
Sommige theorieen blijven maar theorieen,meningen ideen en/of fantasie.
Dat weten we allemaal,
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Een wetenschappelijke theorie is heel wat anders.quote:
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Ja ok, maar niet alle theorieen ooit in de praktijk gebruikt worden.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/theorist
'someone who develops ideas about the explanation for events'
Sommige theorieen blijven maar theorieen,meningen ideen en/of fantasie.
Dat weten we allemaal,
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Als je het niet meer begrijpt begin je dit riedeltje maar weer overnieuw.quote:
Maybe the nukist canp could post a straightforward (specific where necessary) list of the reasons why they believe the atomic bomb story. A list that the non-scientfiically-minded amongst us might understand. Have a collective think about it. I'd be glad to read it. Take your time.
Fyn weekend allemaal.
Je maakt heel duidelijk dat je geen flauw benul hebt van wat een wetenschappelijke theorie is, noch dat je enig besef hebt hoe bewijslast werkt, en dat is precies waarom een inhoudelijke discussie met jou totaal geen nut heeft.[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 14-07-2019 18:39:27 ]
Oh really and who came up with that? A scientist, a scientistic theorist and/or a scientistic propagandist/ PR man?quote:
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Een wetenschappelijke theorie is heel wat anders.
The vast majority of people do not understand 'scientific' theory or 'atomic' science, yet we are supposed and/or expected to accept it all as 'real', even if the claims in a story are in any way questionable.
From wiki:
'A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.'
All the more reason to not believe the 'atomic' bomb nonsense then...depending on if you think scientific theory makes those ridiculous propaganda films etc. suddenly appear to be believable.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Taught/told at school.quote:
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Als je het niet meer begrijpt begin je dit riedeltje maar weer overnieuw.
Saw it on TV documentaries.
Read books/ articles about it.
Some scientists said so.
Blind trust.
But please be more specific if you can.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Oke danquote:In verschillende topics, word er naar voren geschoven dat Atoom wapens onzin zijn.
Verdere info is eigenlijk niet nodig!
Waarop is jouw info dan gebaseerd?quote:
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Taught/told at school.
Saw it on TV documentaries.
Read books/ articles about it.
Some scientists said so.
Blind trust.
But please be more specific if you can.
Precies, veel meer dus dan "maar een theorie"!quote:
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Oh really and who came up with that? A scientist, a scientistic theorist and/or a scientistic propagandist/ PR man?
The vast majority of people do not understand 'scientific' theory or 'atomic' science, yet we are supposed and/or expected to accept it all as 'real', even if the claims in a story are in any way questionable.
From wiki:
'A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.'
And why is that? Het is gebaseerd op wetenschappelijke theorie die meerdere experimentele resultaten heeft doorstaan. Volgens jouw manier van redeneren zijn computers ook een hoax.quote:All the more reason to not believe the 'atomic' bomb nonsense then...depending on if you think scientific theory makes those ridiculous propaganda films etc. suddenly appear to be believable.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Eh nee, als je echt wil kan je zelf gewoon delen hiervan testen. Dat is het mooie van wetenschap.quote:
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Taught/told at school.
Saw it on TV documentaries.
Read books/ articles about it.
Some scientists said so.
Blind trust.
But please be more specific if you can.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Practice what you preach. Dat lijk je maar niet te kunnen, want als er een wetenschappelijk feit uit jouw mond komt weet ik zeker dat we daar internationaal een vrije dag voor krijgen.quote:
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Taught/told at school.
Saw it on TV documentaries.
Read books/ articles about it.
Some scientists said so.
Blind trust.
But please be more specific if you can.
How about _every_ fucking scientist, and every scientist after that? Alleen jij lijkt niet mee te willen doen. Iedereen gaat elkaars theorieën na, en als er iets niet klopt wordt dat gemeld - dat heet een peer proven theory. Dat jij er niet aan mee wilt doen betekent niet dat wetenschap niet bestaat, dat betekent alleen dat jij niet aan wetenschap meedoet.quote:
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Oh really and who came up with that? A scientist, a scientistic theorist and/or a scientistic propagandist/ PR man?
Hier ligt het knelpunt waar je je telkens aan onttrekt en waarom je geen enkele wetenschappelijke bron accepteert. Als je op die manier de waarheid achterna wilt gaan heb je zelf verreikt uranium nodig, en ik zou dat niet in jouw handen vertrouwen.quote:
A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method
Verreikt ja? Jfc...quote:
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Hier ligt het knelpunt waar je je telkens aan onttrekt en waarom je geen enkele wetenschappelijke bron accepteert. Als je op die manier de waarheid achterna wilt gaan heb je zelf verreikt uranium nodig, en ik zou dat niet in jouw handen vertrouwen.
"We aren't people, we are text." - Japanman Sakyusan -
Heb je naast spelfoutjes ook nog inhoudelijk iets te melden of ga je het bij kommaneuken houden?quote:
Bepaalde feiten - je kan die in m'n OP zien.quote:
Edit: Feel free to point out where I am wrong...or why you think the 'atomic' bomb stories are in any way true.Make a little list - I'd be very glad to read it. It would perhaps stimulate the 'discussion' here. It seems like other users here are a bit shy, but more than likely unable to state anything to back up their opinions in reasonable manner.
[ Bericht 13% gewijzigd door Tingo op 19-07-2019 01:06:48 ]
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
"Feiten"quote:
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Bepaalde feiten - je kan die in m'n OP zien.
No- for the non-scientistically minded amongst us is it about trust in what the military intelligence, mainstream media/history books and a few corrupt scientists have claimed.quote:
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Precies, veel meer dus dan "maar een theorie"!
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Het is gebaseerd op wetenschappelijke theorie die meerdere experimentele resultaten heeft doorstaan. Volgens jouw manier van redeneren zijn computers ook een hoax.
Re : Atomic bombs - 'Scientific theory' seems to be about as trustworthy as the STOOPID propaganda films which you seem to believe and (quite hilariously) aggressively defend.
'Electro-magnetic pulse bombs' (delivered by 'terrorist' balloons according to some claims)
'nuclear terrorism'
'low background steel'
Whatever next!?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Aangezien jij ook elke keer hetzelfde post zal ik m'n reactie ook maar kopiëren:
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Als je het niet meer begrijpt begin je dit riedeltje maar weer overnieuw.
Ja als je er geen interesse in hebt moet je het op vertrouwen nemen, net zoals je het op vertrouwen neemt dat die PC van je werkt zoals hij moet werken. Als je wel interesse hebt, en genoeg motivatie kan vinden, kan je een wetenschappelijke opleiding volgen, leren hoe dit allemaal werkt, en bijvoorbeeld experimenten doen waaruit blijkt dat wat in de natuurkunde boeken staat toch echt klopt.quote:
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No- for the non-scientistically minded amongst us is it about trust in what the military intelligence, mainstream media/history books and a few corrupt scientists have claimed.
And failing that kan je thuis ook prima kleine delen hiervan testen. Koop of maak bijvoorbeeld een goedkope cloud chamber en je kan de effecten van straling met je eigen ogen zien:
Gooi er een magneet bij en je kan zelfs zien dat sommige straling een elektrische lading heeft,
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Build waar geen droogijs voor nodig is.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ik heb nog 3 liter IPA staan dus kan wel even vooruit met een cloud chamber
Toch maar eens bouwen, heb alleen de peltier elementen niet in huis.
Toch maar eens bouwen, heb alleen de peltier elementen niet in huis.
Dit roep je wel vaker, maar hoe kom je er eigenlijk bij? Ook als nukes echt bestaan kan je daar prima leugens en propaganda over maken.quote:
'If the official 'atomic' bomb stories were true – the lies/manipulation/propaganda would not be necessary.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/project-silverplate
Kort stuk over de aangepaste B29 die voor de twee nukes op Japan is gebruikt.
Kort stuk over de aangepaste B29 die voor de twee nukes op Japan is gebruikt.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Something I stumbled across which I didn't know before and may be of interest to some readers....
Pumpkin bombs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_bomb
Pumpkin bombs were conventional aerial bombs developed by the Manhattan Project and used by the United States Army Air Forces against Japan during World War II. It was a close replication of the Fat Man plutonium bomb with the same ballistic and handling characteristics, but it used non-nuclear conventional high explosives. It was mainly used for testing and training purposes, which included combat missions flown with pumpkin bombs by the 509th Composite Group.
http://worldwar2headquart(...)-training-bombs.html
'When the 509th composite group5 got to Tinian, they continued to use pumpkins, but now, instead of cement contents, the pumpkin bombs contained five to ten thousand pounds of explosives, and the practice runs used Japanese held islands and the mainland as targets.'
'The pumpkin bomb was actually the biggest bomb in the Pacific theater, although this was not true for Europe, where the British developed two large conventional bombs, Tall Boy and Grand Slam, for bombing German submarine pens.'
'The name "pumpkin bomb" originated with Parsons and Dr. Charles C. Lauritsen of the California Institute of Technology, who managed the development team.[2] The name was used for the training bombs in official meetings and documents,[3] and probably derived from its large ellipsoidal shape. On the other hand, anecdotal sources attribute the naming of the bombs to a pumpkin color: While the bombs were painted olive drab or khaki in the field, photographs show that at least the units delivered to Tinian were shipped in the same yellow zinc chromate primer color worn by Fat Man.'[4][5]
Combat missions were flown by the 509th Composite Group on 20, 23, 26 and 29 July and 8 and 14 August 1945, using the bombs against individual targets in Japanese cities. A total of 49 bombs were dropped on 14 targets, one bomb was jettisoned into the ocean, and two were aboard aircraft that aborted their missions.[7]
'Mission parameters and protocols were similar to those of the actual atomic bomb missions, and all targets were located in the vicinity of the cities designated for atomic attack. The bombs were released at an altitude of 30,000 feet (9,100m) and the aircraft then went into the sharp turn required on a nuclear mission. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the pumpkin bombs were "a reasonably effective weapon against Japanese plants when direct hits were scored on vital areas, or when the near miss was sufficiently close to important buildings to cause severe structural damage."[8]
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Not to be confused with the pumpkin bombs used by Marvel Comic villains in the early 1960's.
Pumpkin bombs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_bomb
Pumpkin bombs were conventional aerial bombs developed by the Manhattan Project and used by the United States Army Air Forces against Japan during World War II. It was a close replication of the Fat Man plutonium bomb with the same ballistic and handling characteristics, but it used non-nuclear conventional high explosives. It was mainly used for testing and training purposes, which included combat missions flown with pumpkin bombs by the 509th Composite Group.
http://worldwar2headquart(...)-training-bombs.html
'When the 509th composite group5 got to Tinian, they continued to use pumpkins, but now, instead of cement contents, the pumpkin bombs contained five to ten thousand pounds of explosives, and the practice runs used Japanese held islands and the mainland as targets.'
'The pumpkin bomb was actually the biggest bomb in the Pacific theater, although this was not true for Europe, where the British developed two large conventional bombs, Tall Boy and Grand Slam, for bombing German submarine pens.'
'The name "pumpkin bomb" originated with Parsons and Dr. Charles C. Lauritsen of the California Institute of Technology, who managed the development team.[2] The name was used for the training bombs in official meetings and documents,[3] and probably derived from its large ellipsoidal shape. On the other hand, anecdotal sources attribute the naming of the bombs to a pumpkin color: While the bombs were painted olive drab or khaki in the field, photographs show that at least the units delivered to Tinian were shipped in the same yellow zinc chromate primer color worn by Fat Man.'[4][5]
Combat missions were flown by the 509th Composite Group on 20, 23, 26 and 29 July and 8 and 14 August 1945, using the bombs against individual targets in Japanese cities. A total of 49 bombs were dropped on 14 targets, one bomb was jettisoned into the ocean, and two were aboard aircraft that aborted their missions.[7]
'Mission parameters and protocols were similar to those of the actual atomic bomb missions, and all targets were located in the vicinity of the cities designated for atomic attack. The bombs were released at an altitude of 30,000 feet (9,100m) and the aircraft then went into the sharp turn required on a nuclear mission. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the pumpkin bombs were "a reasonably effective weapon against Japanese plants when direct hits were scored on vital areas, or when the near miss was sufficiently close to important buildings to cause severe structural damage."[8]
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Not to be confused with the pumpkin bombs used by Marvel Comic villains in the early 1960's.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Jup, oefenen is goed en nuttig en zo.quote:
Something I stumbled across which I didn't know before and may be of interest to some readers....
Pumpkin bombs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_bomb
Pumpkin bombs were conventional aerial bombs developed by the Manhattan Project and used by the United States Army Air Forces against Japan during World War II. It was a close replication of the Fat Man plutonium bomb with the same ballistic and handling characteristics, but it used non-nuclear conventional high explosives. It was mainly used for testing and training purposes, which included combat missions flown with pumpkin bombs by the 509th Composite Group.
http://worldwar2headquart(...)-training-bombs.html
'When the 509th composite group5 got to Tinian, they continued to use pumpkins, but now, instead of cement contents, the pumpkin bombs contained five to ten thousand pounds of explosives, and the practice runs used Japanese held islands and the mainland as targets.'
'The pumpkin bomb was actually the biggest bomb in the Pacific theater, although this was not true for Europe, where the British developed two large conventional bombs, Tall Boy and Grand Slam, for bombing German submarine pens.'
'The name "pumpkin bomb" originated with Parsons and Dr. Charles C. Lauritsen of the California Institute of Technology, who managed the development team.[2] The name was used for the training bombs in official meetings and documents,[3] and probably derived from its large ellipsoidal shape. On the other hand, anecdotal sources attribute the naming of the bombs to a pumpkin color: While the bombs were painted olive drab or khaki in the field, photographs show that at least the units delivered to Tinian were shipped in the same yellow zinc chromate primer color worn by Fat Man.'[4][5]
Combat missions were flown by the 509th Composite Group on 20, 23, 26 and 29 July and 8 and 14 August 1945, using the bombs against individual targets in Japanese cities. A total of 49 bombs were dropped on 14 targets, one bomb was jettisoned into the ocean, and two were aboard aircraft that aborted their missions.[7]
'Mission parameters and protocols were similar to those of the actual atomic bomb missions, and all targets were located in the vicinity of the cities designated for atomic attack. The bombs were released at an altitude of 30,000 feet (9,100m) and the aircraft then went into the sharp turn required on a nuclear mission. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the pumpkin bombs were "a reasonably effective weapon against Japanese plants when direct hits were scored on vital areas, or when the near miss was sufficiently close to important buildings to cause severe structural damage."[8]
….......
Not to be confused with the pumpkin bombs used by Marvel Comic villains in the early 1960's.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dus omdat er non-nuclear bommen bestaan, zijn nuclear bommen ineens niet meer echt, is dat wat je hier zegt? I'm not buying it.quote:
Something I stumbled across which I didn't know before and may be of interest to some readers....
Pumpkin bombs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin_bomb
Pumpkin bombs were conventional aerial bombs developed by the Manhattan Project and used by the United States Army Air Forces against Japan during World War II. It was a close replication of the Fat Man plutonium bomb with the same ballistic and handling characteristics, but it used non-nuclear conventional high explosives. It was mainly used for testing and training purposes, which included combat missions flown with pumpkin bombs by the 509th Composite Group.
http://worldwar2headquart(...)-training-bombs.html
'When the 509th composite group5 got to Tinian, they continued to use pumpkins, but now, instead of cement contents, the pumpkin bombs contained five to ten thousand pounds of explosives, and the practice runs used Japanese held islands and the mainland as targets.'
'The pumpkin bomb was actually the biggest bomb in the Pacific theater, although this was not true for Europe, where the British developed two large conventional bombs, Tall Boy and Grand Slam, for bombing German submarine pens.'
'The name "pumpkin bomb" originated with Parsons and Dr. Charles C. Lauritsen of the California Institute of Technology, who managed the development team.[2] The name was used for the training bombs in official meetings and documents,[3] and probably derived from its large ellipsoidal shape. On the other hand, anecdotal sources attribute the naming of the bombs to a pumpkin color: While the bombs were painted olive drab or khaki in the field, photographs show that at least the units delivered to Tinian were shipped in the same yellow zinc chromate primer color worn by Fat Man.'[4][5]
Combat missions were flown by the 509th Composite Group on 20, 23, 26 and 29 July and 8 and 14 August 1945, using the bombs against individual targets in Japanese cities. A total of 49 bombs were dropped on 14 targets, one bomb was jettisoned into the ocean, and two were aboard aircraft that aborted their missions.[7]
'Mission parameters and protocols were similar to those of the actual atomic bomb missions, and all targets were located in the vicinity of the cities designated for atomic attack. The bombs were released at an altitude of 30,000 feet (9,100m) and the aircraft then went into the sharp turn required on a nuclear mission. After the war, the Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the pumpkin bombs were "a reasonably effective weapon against Japanese plants when direct hits were scored on vital areas, or when the near miss was sufficiently close to important buildings to cause severe structural damage."[8]
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Not to be confused with the pumpkin bombs used by Marvel Comic villains in the early 1960's.
Nee,helemaal niet waar.Dat verwacht jij.Het gaat meer over begrip dan 'interesse'. Als ik geen begrip van iets heeft is dat ook geen reden om iemand (zoals jij) z'n woord te vertrouwen. Bvb; Jij claimt zelf om begrip te hebben over wat dan ook, maar dat blijft gewoon 'n claim. Ik heb toch geen reden om jouw claims te vertrouwen.Dan kan ik beter denken 'ik weet 't niet zeker, maar ik heb nog steeds interesse in de onderwerp en m'n twijfels over wat dan ook, ondanks de claims die gemaakt zijn'.quote:
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Ja als je er geen interesse in hebt moet je het op vertrouwen nemen, net zoals je het op vertrouwen neemt dat die PC van je werkt zoals hij moet werken. Als je wel interesse hebt, en genoeg motivatie kan vinden, kan je een wetenschappelijke opleiding volgen, leren hoe dit allemaal werkt, en bijvoorbeeld experimenten doen waaruit blijkt dat wat in de natuurkunde boeken staat toch echt klopt.
And failing that kan je thuis ook prima kleine delen hiervan testen. Koop of maak bijvoorbeeld een goedkope cloud chamber en je kan de effecten van straling met je eigen ogen zien:
Gooi er een magneet bij en je kan zelfs zien dat sommige straling een elektrische lading heeft,
De vids lijken ‘n beetje op als : ‘Hey kids ! We’re here to try and make science fun and interesting!’ O nee eh.
Geewhiz, it is possible to carry out a scientific experiment at home. Allemaal leuk. But the 'atomic bomb' propaganda films, survivor and witness accounts remain as ridiculous as ever.
Sorry hoor – maar deze soort puberachtige vids zullen de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda/getuigen verklaringen enz. geloofwaardiger of levensecht kunnen nooit maken.
What are you trying to do ? Blind people with science or bore us all to tears with nerdy science vids?
Het zou de ‘discussie’ stimuleren als iemand kan gewoon 'n eenvoudige lijstje over waarom de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda nog geloofwaardig is. Misschien iets wat normale mensen kunnen begrijpen ipv DIY science vids plaatsen.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Het laat zien dat je het juist niet on faith voor waar aan hoeft te nemen. Als je echt zou willen kan je zelf de wetenschappelijke theorie gaan leren, en dit element voor element uit gaan testen. Dan kan je zelf zien dat het allemaal klopt.quote:
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Nee,helemaal niet waar.Dat verwacht jij.Het gaat meer over begrip dan 'interesse'. Als ik geen begrip van iets heeft is dat ook geen reden om iemand (zoals jij) z'n woord te vertrouwen. Bvb; Jij claimt zelf om begrip te hebben over wat dan ook, maar dat blijft gewoon 'n claim. Ik heb toch geen reden om jouw claims te vertrouwen.Dan kan ik beter denken 'ik weet 't niet zeker, maar ik heb nog steeds interesse in de onderwerp en m'n twijfels over wat dan ook, ondanks de claims die gemaakt zijn'.
De vids lijken ‘n beetje op als : ‘Hey kids ! We’re here to try and make science fun and interesting!’ O nee eh.
Geewhiz, it is possible to carry out a scientific experiment at home. Allemaal leuk.
Stel dat zou waar zijn, is dat dan een bewijs dat de bommen nep zijn? Ook over dingen die echt zijn (inclusief nukes) wordt bijvoorbeeld propaganda gemaakt.quote:But the 'atomic bomb' propaganda films, survivor and witness accounts remain as ridiculous as ever.Sorry hoor – maar deze soort puberachtige vids zullen de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda/getuigen verklaringen enz. geloofwaardiger of levensecht kunnen nooit maken.
Science is nou juist ontzettend belangrijk, als je wil begrijpen hoe nukes werken. Maar dan moet je dat wel willen begrijpen.quote:What are you trying to do ? Blind people with science or bore us all to tears with nerdy science vids?
Het zou de ‘discussie’ stimuleren als iemand kan gewoon 'n eenvoudige lijstje over waarom de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda nog geloofwaardig is. Misschien iets wat normale mensen kunnen begrijpen ipv DIY science vids plaatsen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ah, cool, de cirkel is rond. We zijn weer aanbeland bij "dit filmpje vind ik er raar uit zien, dus atoombommen zijn nep." Verder snap je geen reet van de wetenschap, dus leg je dat maar naast je neer. En je geeft het nog toe ook.quote:
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Nee,helemaal niet waar.Dat verwacht jij.Het gaat meer over begrip dan 'interesse'. Als ik geen begrip van iets heeft is dat ook geen reden om iemand (zoals jij) z'n woord te vertrouwen. Bvb; Jij claimt zelf om begrip te hebben over wat dan ook, maar dat blijft gewoon 'n claim. Ik heb toch geen reden om jouw claims te vertrouwen.Dan kan ik beter denken 'ik weet 't niet zeker, maar ik heb nog steeds interesse in de onderwerp en m'n twijfels over wat dan ook, ondanks de claims die gemaakt zijn'.
De vids lijken ‘n beetje op als : ‘Hey kids ! We’re here to try and make science fun and interesting!’ O nee eh.
Geewhiz, it is possible to carry out a scientific experiment at home. Allemaal leuk. But the 'atomic bomb' propaganda films, survivor and witness accounts remain as ridiculous as ever.
Sorry hoor – maar deze soort puberachtige vids zullen de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda/getuigen verklaringen enz. geloofwaardiger of levensecht kunnen nooit maken.
What are you trying to do ? Blind people with science or bore us all to tears with nerdy science vids?
Het zou de ‘discussie’ stimuleren als iemand kan gewoon 'n eenvoudige lijstje over waarom de ‘atomic’ bomb propaganda nog geloofwaardig is. Misschien iets wat normale mensen kunnen begrijpen ipv DIY science vids plaatsen.
Gisteravond zag ik Kees van der Spek over hoe Tsjernobyl-toeristen massaal voor de gek worden gehouden ook met die geigerteller. De straling niet veel voorstelt, attributen er gewoon zijn neergelegd het eigenlijk niet meer dan disney world is. Die tour guide gaf het later gewoon toe. Ik meende dat Guyver daar was geweest toch?
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Wat wil je hiermee zeggen?quote:
Gisteravond zag ik Kees van der Spek over hoe Tsjernobyl-toeristen massaal voor de gek worden gehouden ook met die geigerteller. De straling niet veel voorstelt, attributen er gewoon zijn neergelegd het eigenlijk niet meer dan disney world is. Die tour guide gaf het later gewoon toe. Ik meende dat Guyver daar was geweest toch?
Toeristen worden voor de gek gehouden met nep-geigertellers die overdrijven, dus straling is niet gevaarlijk?
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 31-07-2019 10:04:58 ]
Voor mensen die denken dat straling onzin is, kan ik het volgende boek aanraden. Een man die een rondreis door het stralingsgebied heeft gemaakt en vertelt over alle levens die hierdoor op z'n kop zijn gegooid. Dat is natuurlijk allemaal om een fictief fabeltje.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/(...)IATED/dp/1980787514/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/(...)IATED/dp/1980787514/
Het waren geen nep geigertellers. De straling was nog minder dan in de gemiddelde stad en 30x lager dan wanneer je een sigaret rookt bijvoorbeeld. Om het nog allemaal dramatischer te maken zijn er attributen neergelegd. En dat zwembad is jaren na de ramp nog gewoon gebruikt. Money making scam dat was de conclusie, je kan er gewoon een appeltje uit de boom eten.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Het is ook al een tijdje geleden, radiatie in water is minder gevaarlijk zolang niet ingeslikt maar voor de rest kan ik je niet uitnodigen om op "ground zero" een appeltje van de boom te plukken.quote:
Het waren geen nep geigertellers. De straling was nog minder dan in de gemiddelde stad en 30x lager dan wanneer je een sigaret rookt bijvoorbeeld. Om het nog allemaal dramatischer te maken zijn er attributen neergelegd. En dat zwembad is jaren na de ramp nog gewoon gebruikt. Money making scam dat was de conclusie, je kan er gewoon een appeltje uit de boom eten.
Als je denkt dat dat wel kan, waarom wijs je de hele wereld dan niet even op hun fouten?
Heb je ze allemaal even mooi tuk.
Straling, poeh!
Sure voorspelbaar ik zat er al op te wachten. Het is een wonder dat Guyver nog alive and kicking is.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Neem de proef eens op de som, zo ver rijden is het ook weer niet.quote:
Sure voorspelbaar ik zat er al op te wachten. Het is een wonder dat Guyver nog alive and kicking is.
Wat let je? Hele volksstammen leggen dezelfde afstand jaarlijks af naar de Costa's. Jij kan hiermee een wereldprimeur hebben. Dat laat je toch niet aan je voorbij gaan?
Die tour guide deed het al 20 jaar niks aan de hand met die gast, hij zei het zelf ook. Die voorzorgsmaatregelen zoals je met kleding bedekken is er om het allemaal wat spannender te maken. Ben daar als eens in de buurt geweest hoor maar nee Tsjernobyl hoeft voor mij niet zo, misschien als het eens zo uitkomt om met eigen ogen te zien wat een poppenkast het is.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Dat zwembad is gebruikt door de opruimcrews ja... Zeg dat er dan ook bij.quote:
Het waren geen nep geigertellers. De straling was nog minder dan in de gemiddelde stad en 30x lager dan wanneer je een sigaret rookt bijvoorbeeld. Om het nog allemaal dramatischer te maken zijn er attributen neergelegd. En dat zwembad is jaren na de ramp nog gewoon gebruikt. Money making scam dat was de conclusie, je kan er gewoon een appeltje uit de boom eten.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Zou je dan ook een paar foto's van de 'elephant foot' kunnen organiseren? Ben ik wel benieuwd naar.
Verder ben ik het er wel mee eens dat we soms wat doorslaan in onze drang naar veiligheid. Zie bijvoorbeeld ook de manier van aanpak bij asbest. Aan de andere kant is de wereld te klein als Pietje de Asbest opruimer longkanker heeft gekregen en we onvoldoende voor de gevaren hebben gewaarschuwd.
Verder ben ik het er wel mee eens dat we soms wat doorslaan in onze drang naar veiligheid. Zie bijvoorbeeld ook de manier van aanpak bij asbest. Aan de andere kant is de wereld te klein als Pietje de Asbest opruimer longkanker heeft gekregen en we onvoldoende voor de gevaren hebben gewaarschuwd.
Fine, fuck you then!
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Maar je kan de mythe van radiatie gewoon uit de wereld helpen, daar deins je toch niet voor terug?quote:
Die tour guide deed het al 20 jaar niks aan de hand met die gast, hij zei het zelf ook. Die voorzorgsmaatregelen zoals je met kleding bedekken is er om het allemaal wat spannender te maken. Ben daar als eens in de buurt geweest hoor maar nee Tsjernobyl hoeft voor mij niet zo, misschien als het eens zo uitkomt om met eigen ogen te zien wat een poppenkast het is.
Wel dus, jammer, maar was te verwachten natuurlijk.
Dat is normaal, waarschuwen doe je altijd met gepaste marge.quote:Op woensdag 31 juli 2019 10:33 schreef SicSicSics het volgende:
Zou je dan ook een paar foto's van de 'elephant foot' kunnen organiseren? Ben ik wel benieuwd naar.
Verder ben ik het er wel mee eens dat we soms wat doorslaan in onze drang naar veiligheid. Zie bijvoorbeeld ook de manier van aanpak bij asbest. Aan de andere kant is de wereld te klein als Pietje de Asbest opruimer longkanker heeft gekregen en we onvoldoende voor de gevaren hebben gewaarschuwd.
Het is ook niet zo zwart-wit als ga een stralingszone in en je gaat daar dan dus aan dood. Dat is pas het geval bij een hele hoge stralingsdosis. Het verhoogt wel je kansen op een aantal (dodelijke) ziektes.quote:
Die tour guide deed het al 20 jaar niks aan de hand met die gast, hij zei het zelf ook. Die voorzorgsmaatregelen zoals je met kleding bedekken is er om het allemaal wat spannender te maken. Ben daar als eens in de buurt geweest hoor maar nee Tsjernobyl hoeft voor mij niet zo, misschien als het eens zo uitkomt om met eigen ogen te zien wat een poppenkast het is.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ook grappig dat de grootste MSM-basher van het forum aan komt zetten met een SBS6-"journalist". Want als het in je straatje past, dan mag het weer wel.
Bliep bliep .. zie ze gaan, niks aan de hand daar ook volgens Kees niet. Als je die reactor in wil hijsen ze je in een wit pak. De omgeving is mooi dat dan weer wel.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Je krijgt niet echt mee wat er hier gepost wordt he?quote:
Bliep bliep .. zie ze gaan, niks aan de hand daar ook volgens Kees niet. Als je die reactor in wil hijsen ze je in een wit pak. De omgeving is mooi dat dan weer wel.
Er is nogal een verschil tussen een (kort) bezoek en daar permanent wonen... Wat moeten we doen om dat voor je duidelijker te maken?quote:
Bliep bliep .. zie ze gaan, niks aan de hand daar ook volgens Kees niet. Als je die reactor in wil hijsen ze je in een wit pak. De omgeving is mooi dat dan weer wel.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Vrouwtje zelf concludeert ook " there is no radiation here", volop vis in de rivier, de natuur is mooi en drinkwater uit de put. Ze zijn allemaal al behoorlijk op leeftijd.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
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Vrouwtje zelf concludeert ook " there is no radiation here", volop vis in de rivier, de natuur is mooi en drinkwater uit de put. Ze zijn allemaal al behoorlijk op leeftijd.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Hoe verder weg van ground zero, hoe minder gevaarlijk natuurlijk hè? Zeker voor korte tijd. Waarom heeft dit vrouwtje voor jou zo'n autoriteit?quote:
Vrouwtje zelf concludeert ook " there is no radiation here", volop vis in de rivier, de natuur is mooi en drinkwater uit de put. Ze zijn allemaal al behoorlijk op leeftijd.
Hier is er wat meer over die 'atomic' bomb radiation van Nagasaki en Hiroshima (sorry hoor maar ik ben nog niet klaar mee)...allemaal 'n beetje onduidelijke informatie vind ik. Je zou verwachten dat er wat meer duidelijker cijfers/statistieken over zulke eventen te vinden is. Misschien iemand wat meer informatie kan vinden om z'n punten/argumenten te steunen. Er is nooit vaste,definititieve cijfers over de aantal doden gepubliceerd.quote:
Vrouwtje zelf concludeert ook " there is no radiation here", volop vis in de rivier, de natuur is mooi en drinkwater uit de put. Ze zijn allemaal al behoorlijk op leeftijd.
I've highlighted the interesting bits – so that readers don't have to spend too much time trying to figure out what I'm on about...unlike a few users here who just dump a few links, expect us to waste time wading through it all and then guess which point they are trying to make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)efect_investigations
Birth defect investigations
'While during the preimplantation period, that is 1–10 days following conception, interuterine radiation exposure of "at least 0.2 Gy" can cause complications of implantation and death of the human embryo.[275] The number of miscarriages caused by the radiation from the bombings, during this radiosensitive period, is not known.'
'One of the early studies conducted by the ABCC (American Bomb Casualty Commission) was on the outcome of pregnancies occurring in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and in a control city, Kure, located 18mi (29km) south of Hiroshima, to discern the conditions and outcomes related to radiation exposure.
James V. Neel led the study which found that the overall number of birth defects was not significantly higher among the children of survivors who were pregnant at the time of the bombings.[277] He also studied the longevity of the children who survived the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, reporting that between 90 and 95 percent were still living 50 years later.
Investigations into brain development
'Examination of the prenatally exposed in terms of IQ performance and school records, determined the beginning of a statistically significant reduction in both, when exposed to greater than 0.1 to 0.5 Gray, during the same gestational period of 8–25 weeks. However outside this period, at less than 8 weeks and greater than 26 after conception, "there is no evidence of a radiation-related effect on scholastic performance."[287] '
'From the Radiation dose reconstruction work, which were also informed by the 1962 BREN Tower-Japanese city analog, the estimated dosimetry at Hiroshima still has the largest uncertainty as the Little Boy-bomb design was never tested before deployment or afterward, therefore the estimated radiation profile absorbed by individuals at Hiroshima had required greater reliance on calculations than the Japanese soil, concrete and roof-tile measurements which began to reach accurate levels and thereby inform researchers, in the 1990s.[289][290][291]'
'Many other investigations into cognitive outcomes, such as Schizophrenia as a result of prenatal exposure, have been conducted with "no statistically significant linear relationship seen", there is a suggestion that in the most extremely exposed, those who survived within a kilometer or so of the hypocenters, a trend emerges akin to that seen in SMR, though the sample size is too small to determine with any significance.[292] '
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
En welk punt wil je precies hiermee maken?quote:
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Hier is er wat meer over die 'atomic' bomb radiation van Nagasaki en Hiroshima (sorry hoor maar ik ben nog niet klaar mee)...allemaal 'n beetje onduidelijke informatie vind ik. Je zou verwachten dat er wat meer duidelijker cijfers/statistieken over zulke eventen te vinden is. Misschien iemand wat meer informatie kan vinden om z'n punten/argumenten te steunen. Er is nooit vaste,definititieve cijfers over de aantal doden gepubliceerd.
I've highlighted the interesting bits – so that readers don't have to spend too much time trying to figure out what I'm on about...unlike a few users here who just dump a few links, expect us to waste time wading through it all and then guess which point they are trying to make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)efect_investigations
Birth defect investigations
'While during the preimplantation period, that is 1–10 days following conception, interuterine radiation exposure of "at least 0.2 Gy" can cause complications of implantation and death of the human embryo.[275] The number of miscarriages caused by the radiation from the bombings, during this radiosensitive period, is not known.'
'One of the early studies conducted by the ABCC (American Bomb Casualty Commission) was on the outcome of pregnancies occurring in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and in a control city, Kure, located 18mi (29km) south of Hiroshima, to discern the conditions and outcomes related to radiation exposure.
James V. Neel led the study which found that the overall number of birth defects was not significantly higher among the children of survivors who were pregnant at the time of the bombings.[277] He also studied the longevity of the children who survived the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, reporting that between 90 and 95 percent were still living 50 years later.
Investigations into brain development
'Examination of the prenatally exposed in terms of IQ performance and school records, determined the beginning of a statistically significant reduction in both, when exposed to greater than 0.1 to 0.5 Gray, during the same gestational period of 8–25 weeks. However outside this period, at less than 8 weeks and greater than 26 after conception, "there is no evidence of a radiation-related effect on scholastic performance."[287] '
'From the Radiation dose reconstruction work, which were also informed by the 1962 BREN Tower-Japanese city analog, the estimated dosimetry at Hiroshima still has the largest uncertainty as the Little Boy-bomb design was never tested before deployment or afterward, therefore the estimated radiation profile absorbed by individuals at Hiroshima had required greater reliance on calculations than the Japanese soil, concrete and roof-tile measurements which began to reach accurate levels and thereby inform researchers, in the 1990s.[289][290][291]'
'Many other investigations into cognitive outcomes, such as Schizophrenia as a result of prenatal exposure, have been conducted with "no statistically significant linear relationship seen", there is a suggestion that in the most extremely exposed, those who survived within a kilometer or so of the hypocenters, a trend emerges akin to that seen in SMR, though the sample size is too small to determine with any significance.[292] '
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
En weer gaat het om niets anders als jouw verwachtingspatroon.quote:
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Je zou verwachten dat er wat meer duidelijker cijfers/statistieken over zulke eventen te vinden is
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Ik geloof niet in wonderen, maar in logica en wetenschap.quote:
Sure voorspelbaar ik zat er al op te wachten. Het is een wonder dat Guyver nog alive and kicking is.
Maare waardoor zou ik dood moeten zijn?
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Ze denkt dat je in de kernreactor van Chernobyl bent geweest. Ik heb dat verder niet echt meegekregen, ben jij daar geweest?quote:
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Ik geloof niet in wonderen, maar in logica en wetenschap.
Maare waardoor zou ik dood moeten zijn?
Daarnaast is het natuurlijk algemeen bekend dat je daar gewoon mag komen, mits niet te lang noch te dichtbij, dus de verontwaardiging dat al die mensen die daar zo'n tourtje doen gewoon terugkomen met hun haar er nog op en geen huid die eraf glijdt, is niet zo'n wonder.
Zoals gewoonlijk heb jij weer geen idee wat ik denk. Guyver is in Tjsernobyl geweest.. toch meer moet je van die opmerking van mij niet proberen te maken en dit was nav Kees van der Spek. Of Guyver in die reactor is geweest heb ik nergens beweerd, boeiend.. het blijft dezelfde poppenkast. Die tourtjes zijn opgeklopte drama, geldklopperij met een geigerteller de ramptoerist uithangen waar straling te verwaarlozen is oftewel een tourist scam, daar ging het om. Slaap lekker 
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
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Zoals gewoonlijk heb jij weer geen idee wat ik denk. Guyver is in Tjsernobyl geweest.. toch meer moet je van die opmerking van mij niet proberen te maken en dit was nav Kees van der Spek.Of Guyver in die reactor is geweest heb ik nergens beweerd, boeiend.. het blijft dezelfde poppenkast.
Dus toch wel, maar je bent niet echt goed in het detecteren van sarcasme. Natuurlijk is hij de kernreactor niet in geweest.
Tuurlijk zijn die tours scams, niemand zegt van niet, maar je lijkt ermee te insinueren dat atoombommen niet bestaan of op z'n minst straling niet - daar gaat dit topic echter over en dat is het standpunt dat o.a. jij tot nu toe hebt ingenomen.quote:Die tourtjes zijn opgeklopte drama, geldklopperij met een geigerteller de ramptoerist uithangen waar straling te verwaarlozen is oftewel een tourist scam, daar ging het om. Slaap lekker
Het aparte is trouwens dat je met deze reactie wel weer toegeeft dat straling bestaat.
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Dude probeer er maar een draai aan te geven met je detecteren van sarcasme, dat straling niet bestaat heb ik nooit beweerd.
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Denk je dat atoombommen bestaan?quote:
Dude probeer er maar een draai aan te geven met je detecteren van sarcasme, dat straling niet bestaat heb ik nooit beweerd.
Zo'n verhaaltje van Guyver herinner ik ook.quote:
Ik meende dat Guyver daar was geweest toch?
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Vind jij het ook een wonder dat hij nog leeft?quote:
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Zo'n verhaaltje van Guyver herinner ik ook.
welke kracht kan dat hek buigen maar niet de daken van die kleine huizen wegblazen
welke is tokyo, welke hiroshima
welke is tokyo, welke hiroshima
Jaar of wat geleden met een gidsquote:
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Ze denkt dat je in de kernreactor van Chernobyl bent geweest. Ik heb dat verder niet echt meegekregen, ben jij daar geweest?
Daarnaast is het natuurlijk algemeen bekend dat je daar gewoon mag komen, mits niet te lang noch te dichtbij, dus de verontwaardiging dat al die mensen die daar zo'n tourtje doen gewoon terugkomen met hun haar er nog op en geen huid die eraf glijdt, is niet zo'n wonder.
Er zijn verschillende tours die je kan nemen, die ik had is niet meer te vinden (verschillende routes en bezienswaardigheden)
https://www.viator.com/to(...)m-Kiev/d22377-8437P1
Nja op mijn tour kwam ik (dicht) langs het rode bos de stad zelf het kleine amusementspark, heel klein lijkt de Waarbeek gigantisch bij.
De vervallen radar installatie Doega-3 en van relatief grote afstand de centrale zelf.
Ben ook verder niet een van de gebouwen in geweest maar bij vele excursies kan/mag je dat wel.
Hier meer info, mocht je meer willen weten hoe zo'n excursie verloopt.
https://www.expeditieaardbol.nl/spookstad-tsjernobyl-bezoeken/
En hier een filmpje van een dergelijke excursie.
De beelden die ik heb staan op videoband..
Ja.. voor sommigen die niet weten wat dat voor een ding is, lijkt op een heel groot cassette bandje..
In tegenstelling tot mijn goeie vriend hier had ik toen nog geen full hd camera of full 4k hd tv..
Of oppo Reno 6 pro met 64mp camera.
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Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Waarom denk je dat dat hek is weggeblazen?quote:
welke kracht kan dat hek buigen maar niet de daken van die kleine huizen wegblazen
Hiroshimaquote:[ afbeelding ]
Tokyoquote:
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Waarom denk jij dat hij denkt dat het hek is weggeblazen? Want volgens mij denkt hij dat helemaal niet.quote:
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Waarom denk je dat dat hek is weggeblazen?
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Hiroshima
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Tokyo
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To BG or not to BG!
OT:
Afgelopen weekend heb ik 'Dokter Strangelove' gekeken.
Fantastische film is dat toch ook.
Afgelopen weekend heb ik 'Dokter Strangelove' gekeken.
Fantastische film is dat toch ook.
To BG or not to BG!
welke kracht kan dat hek buigen maar niet de daken van die kleine huizen wegblazenquote:
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Waarom denk jij dat hij denk dat het hek is weggeblazen? Want volgens mij denkt hij dat helemaal niet.
Kun jij een kracht bedenken?
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Neequote:
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welke kracht kan dat hek buigen maar niet de daken van die kleine huizen wegblazen
Kun jij een kracht bedenken?
To BG or not to BG!
Maar je vindt wel dat er maar 1 kracht kan zijn?quote:
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Nee, ik vind daar niks van eigenlijk. Dat was iemand anders.quote:
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Maar je vindt wel dat er maar 1 kracht kan zijn?
To BG or not to BG!
Zouden de aanvallen op Japan met napalm kunnen zijn gebeurd om de illusie te wekken en de oorlog te beëindigen. Omdat de atoombom nog niet gereed was en is die later uitgebreid getest?
Vakman pur sang
Brandbommen, ja een groot aantal steden zijn zo verwoest.quote:
Zouden de aanvallen op Japan met napalm kunnen zijn gebeurd om de illusie te wekken en de oorlog te beëindigen. Omdat de atoombom nog niet gereed was en is die later uitgebreid getest?
Duurde dagen voor deze zo in as werden gelegd.
Die andere 2 enkele minuten.
En pas toen de Russen Mantsjoerije binnen vielen stonden de Japanners open voor capitulatie.
Hadden de bommen hun doel bereikt?
50/50 de meeste experts zijn het er over eens dat het een combinatie was van de aanval van Rusland en de bommen.
Beide vonden plaatst binnen enkele dagen van elkaar.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
"kernbom" test
met beetje hollywood technology erbij en je heb een mooie explosie.
check de kleuren, ziet er best nep uit
grote explosie paar jaar geleden in china, was geen nuke.
check de krater na de Tianjin china explosie, hiroshima en nagasaki hadden geen krater, maar zelfs onbeschadigde gebouwen, groene bomen op ground zero.
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met beetje hollywood technology erbij en je heb een mooie explosie.
check de kleuren, ziet er best nep uit
grote explosie paar jaar geleden in china, was geen nuke.
check de krater na de Tianjin china explosie, hiroshima en nagasaki hadden geen krater, maar zelfs onbeschadigde gebouwen, groene bomen op ground zero.
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Gebeurde de Tianjin explosie ook op 550 meter hoogte?quote:
"kernbom" test
met beetje hollywood technology erbij en je heb een mooie explosie.
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check de kleuren, ziet er best nep uit
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grote explosie paar jaar geleden in china, was geen nuke.
[ afbeelding ]
check de krater na de Tianjin china explosie, hiroshima en nagasaki hadden geen krater, maar zelfs onbeschadigde gebouwen, groene bomen op ground zero.
[ afbeelding ]
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Ja. En Japan was al klaar om te surrender.quote:
Zouden de aanvallen op Japan met napalm kunnen zijn gebeurd om de illusie te wekken en de oorlog te beëindigen. Omdat de atoombom nog niet gereed was en is die later uitgebreid getest?
En veel van de huizen van papier en hout waren, dus met napalm zou dat heel snel gaan.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dus liegen over een atoombom had weinig zin...quote:
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Ja. En Japan was al klaar om te surrender.
En veel van de huizen van papier en hout waren, dus met napalm zou dat heel snel gaan.
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Ja wel....bijna 80 jaar nuclear war fear propaganda.quote:
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Dus liegen over een atoombom had weinig zin...
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Oki en op de schaal van 0 t/m 10 hoe zou je die angst omschrijven.quote:
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Ja wel....bijna 80 jaar nuclear war fear propaganda.
Van jou perspectief gezien?
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Waarom ben je er bang voor?quote:
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Ja wel....bijna 80 jaar nuclear war fear propaganda.
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Da's best veel TNT om een kernbom na te bootsen...quote:
"kernbom" test
met beetje hollywood technology erbij en je heb een mooie explosie.
Kleuren zeggen niet zoveel...quote:
Ziet er ook anders uit.quote:
Je weet overigens wat een explosie in feite is?
Die explosies waren ook op enkele honderden meters hoogte.quote:[ afbeelding ]
check de krater na de Tianjin china explosie, hiroshima en nagasaki hadden geen krater, maar zelfs onbeschadigde gebouwen, groene bomen op ground zero.
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Verder doe je net alsof een kernrexplosie altijd dezelfde kracht heeft en altijd meer moet zijn dan mogelijk met een conventioneel explosief.
Kun je uitleggen waarom je dat denkt?
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Toch ging je er met een gestrekt been op in.quote:
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Nee, ik vind daar niks van eigenlijk. Dat was iemand anders.
Was was daar de bedoeling van?
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Ik heb wel een leuk idee..quote:
Iemand hier gaat naar de volgende 3 plekken.
Een basis school een groot bedrijf en een bejaardentehuis.
Klein interview en mensen vragen wat is je grootste angst.
Bij elk antwoord wat neer komt op wereld oorlog en we gaan allemaal dood door nukes (in die geest) krijgt Tingo een euro.
Maar bij elk ander antwoord krijgen wij een euro.
Ik vind het wel een mooie deal en je kan er wat mee verdienen.
De reden verschillende leeftijd groepen is om te kijken waar die angst voor nukes er het hardst ingedrukt zit.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Iemand zei 'welke kracht doet een hek verbuigen....'quote:
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Toch ging je er met een gestrekt been op in.
Was was daar de bedoeling van?
Vervolgens vraag jij 'waarom denk jij dat dat hek weggeblazen is?'
Heb je het niet goed gelezen denk ik dan maar ik zie dat jij vaker wat rare vragen stelt. Alsof je de bedoeling van die ander niet goed begrijpt ofzo. Of iets wil uitlokken. Aan je schrijven denk ik dat je best slim bent tot je dan ineens een gekke vraag stelt. Soms zelfs wat denegrerend, als je in BNW zit. Ik denk ook dat je denkt dat de meeste mensen in BNW 'dom' zijn. Tussen de regels meen ik dat te lezen.
To BG or not to BG!
Het hek is gebogen, maar de daken zijn niet weggeblazen.quote:
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Iemand zei 'welke kracht doet een hek verbuigen....'
Vervolgens vraag jij 'waarom denk jij dat dat hek weggeblazen is?'
Het gaat dus om een 'wegblazende kracht'
In wezen een drukgolf.
Tja, je hebt dus een probleem met jezelf.quote:Heb je het niet goed gelezen denk ik dan maar ik zie dat jij vaker wat rare vragen stelt. Alsof je de bedoeling van die ander niet goed begrijpt ofzo. Of iets wil uitlokken. Aan je schrijven denk ik dat je best slim bent tot je dan ineens een gekke vraag stelt. Soms zelfs wat denegrerend, als je in BNW zit. Ik denk ook dat je denkt dat de meeste mensen in BNW 'dom' zijn. Tussen de regels meen ik dat te lezen.
Maar terug naar de foto: hek is verbogen, daken onbeschadigd.
Zo beter?
Vraag is waardoor dat hek kan zijn verbogen, terwijl de daken onbeschadigd blijven..
Een drukgolf van een explosie, die wel het hek 'wegblaast' maar niet de daken?
Of kun jij met een uitkeg komen waarom dat hekwerk is beschadigd, maar de daken verderop niet?
Jij bent kennelijk bang dat ik je dom vindt, nou laat eens zien hoe intelligent je dan eigenlijk bent...
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Ben ik niet.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Geen flauw idee hoe het gaat met explosies. (ook geen enkele interesses op dat gebied)quote:
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Het hek is gebogen, maar de daken zijn niet weggeblazen.
Het gaat dus om een 'wegblazende kracht'
In wezen een drukgolf.
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Tja, je hebt dus een probleem met jezelf.
Maar terug naar de foto: hek is verbogen, daken onbeschadigd.
Zo beter?
Vraag is waardoor dat hek kan zijn verbogen, terwijl de daken onbeschadigd blijven..
Een drukgolf van een explosie, die wel het hek 'wegblaast' maar niet de daken?
Of kun jij met een uitkeg komen waarom dat hekwerk is beschadigd, maar de daken verderop niet?
Jij bent kennelijk bang dat ik je dom vindt, nou laat eens zien hoe intelligent je dan eigenlijk bent...
En ik ben niet bang dat jij, of wie dan ook, mij dom vind en waarom zou ik jou moeten laten zien hoe intelligent ik ben?
To BG or not to BG!
Kijk en dat is nou het probleem.quote:
Kan je iemand noemen die er wel bang voor is..
Of wat vind je van mijn voorstel?
BTW ik heb nog wat mooie CGI docu voor je op videoband en hier eentje uit 1982
En deze heb ik nog ergens op VHS, erg leip 1995 helaas niet meer op YT maar wel hier.
http://www.documentaryare(...)tomic%20Bomb%20Movie
Enjoy
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Ik heb beter idee - fuck off.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Op die eerste ligt totaal 0.45 kt aan TNT. Zie je het probleem?quote:
"kernbom" test
met beetje hollywood technology erbij en je heb een mooie explosie.
[ afbeelding ]
check de kleuren, ziet er best nep uit
[ afbeelding ]
grote explosie paar jaar geleden in china, was geen nuke.
[ afbeelding ]
check de krater na de Tianjin china explosie, hiroshima en nagasaki hadden geen krater, maar zelfs onbeschadigde gebouwen, groene bomen op ground zero.
[ afbeelding ]
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Jij begint erover.quote:
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Geen flauw idee hoe het gaat met explosies. (ook geen enkele interesses op dat gebied)
En ik ben niet bang dat jij, of wie dan ook, mij dom vind en waarom zou ik jou moeten laten zien hoe intelligent ik ben?
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
Waarom?quote:
Houd je niet van mooie documentaires?
Ik vond wel een aardig idee er zijn nu misschien wat minder nukes in de wereld maaaaar wel meer landen met.
Was ook maar gewoon een suggestie en ik dacht is wel mooie deal de gene die gelijk heeft houd er ook nog smak geld aan over
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Tenzij de verliezer al weet dat hij gaat verliezen...quote:
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Waarom?
Houd je niet van mooie documentaires?
Ik vond wel een aardig idee er zijn nu misschien wat minder nukes in de wereld maaaaar wel meer landen met.
Was ook maar gewoon een suggestie en ik dacht is wel mooie deal de gene die gelijk heeft houd er ook nog smak geld aan over
Groepsimmuniteit mag wel het resultaat zijn, maar niet het doel... - Vallon
