De atoombom #5 Reasons to believe it (or not !)

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Op maandag 3 juni 2019 22:02 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Well, as I expected (because I'd already looked it all up myself weeks ago anyway and none of the nukist-nudist camp fraternity didn't immediately post anything they could not find anyway) the information about 'low-background steel' I've been searching for has not been posted.

When, where, how and by whom it was first discovered. UNKNOWN.

The term 'low-background steel' is not acknowledged or even mentioned on the websites of any major global steel producers, corporations etc, which is unusual, as such a discovery would obviously be very important to them.

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The commodity (low-background steel) is not listed on any of the worlds stock markets.....which is a surprise, as it seems that one can invest in pretty much anything and everything these days.

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'Low-background steel' is not mentioned in 'The History of Steel' on general information/educative sites such as Popular Mechanics or Encyclopedia Britannica.

Conspicuous by it's absence.
Remember folks – it's often much more important what we DON'T get told/taught.

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Anyway...
Then there's the story that NASA used 'low-background steel' bits of a battleship for the Voyager 'space-ship'. And that 'low-background steel' is used in the production of satellites.
Oh dear – depending on what your PoV is.:)

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Anyway, a special thanks to Piet de Verdrietig who brought up the 'low-background steel' subject. It's been interesting to research it, although for me, the complete lack of reliable information has been even more interesting. I'd be glad to hear of any further information( re: low-background steel) from people who are genuinely interested in discussing the subject.

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Op woensdag 5 juni 2019 16:08 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Most likely the metallurgical scientists/engineers employed by the steel industry know very well that the 'low-background steel' subject doing the rounds is pure hyped-up bunkum and that's why there's nothing to be found about 'low-background steel' on steel industry websites.

Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'

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Op woensdag 5 juni 2019 16:08 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Most likely the metallurgical scientists/engineers employed by the steel industry know very well that the 'low-background steel' subject doing the rounds is pure hyped-up bunkum and that's why there's nothing to be found about 'low-background steel' on steel industry websites.

Metallurgy definition:
'the branch of science and technology concerned with the properties of metals and their production and purification.'

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Op vrijdag 7 juni 2019 17:02 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Jeetje.

Anyway, for those cyberspace friends that might be genuinely interested in the subject...

Here's quite a comprehensive list of links regarding the steel market. I haven't read everything on every link as there is a huge amount of information available, but I can find absolutely NOTHING about 'low-background steel'. Give it a try! I'd be very interested in any substanstial findings!

http://www.themetallurgist.co.uk/directory/steel.shtml

And a few I read/searched:
The American Iron and Steel Institute.
https://www.steel.org/about-aisi/history
No mention of 'low-background steel'.

https://www.steel.org/sustainability/recycling

“Each year, North American steelmaking furnaces consume nearly 70 million tons of domestic steel scrap in the production of new steel. Recycling is at the very heart of the steel industry’s commitment to sustainability. By using steel scrap to make new steel, the North American steel industry conserves energy, emissions, raw materials and natural resources.
This need for a continuous feedstock of steel scrap directly drives the recycling of many common steel products, including cans, cars, appliances, and construction materials. And, the physical characteristics of steel enable it to be recycled continuously—without loss of quality or strength.
The industry’s commitment to recycling reaches beyond the material itself. In fact, greater than 90 percent of the co-products from the steel making process are reused or recycled. This includes products, like slag, water, gasses, dusts and energy.
This commitment drives the reduction of steel’s environmental footprint, while producing advanced, highly recycled steel products that meet an advancing society’s needs.”
http://www.keytosteel.com/en/search.aspx?s=low-background+steel

No mention of 'low-background steel'.

Steel industry news and business information.
https://www.steelonthenet.com/
No pages were found that match your query.
Please check the search tips and try another search.

https://www.worldsteel.or(...)low+background+steel
No mention of 'low-background steel'.

International Steel Statistics Bureau : Steel Trade Data Specialists
http://www.issb.co.uk/
Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.

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Op zaterdag 8 juni 2019 16:32 schreef Tingo het volgende:
This company sells a whole range of radiation detection devices and gives detailed technical information about it's products :
http://www.laurussystems.com/Scrap-metal-radiation-detection.htm

Helemaal niks over 'low-background steel' te vinden.

Radiation detection and monitoring technologies:
http://www.radiationsolutions.ca/steel/

“In order to certify the final steel product is free from radioactivity, RSI offers laboratory equipment to measure samples of the final product.”

Search results for: low-background steel.Couldn't find what you're looking for!

Radiation detection systems.Leaders in the design, manufacture and service of highly sensitive radiation detection systems
http://www.radcommsystems(...)est&searchphrase=all

Total: 0 results found.

RAE Systems, Inc. is a leading global provider of rapidly deployable connected, intelligent gas and radiation detection systems
https://www.raesystems.com/search?search=low-background+steel

There are no results that match your query. Please try again.

MEASUREMENT OF RADIOACTIVITY IN STEEL (1999)
https://inis.iaea.org/col(...)31025595.pdf?r=1&r=1
No mention of 'low-background steel'.

Phew. It's been fun and interesting but try as I might, I have been unable to find any information at all regarding 'low-background steel' on websites of the industries which would know something about it.

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Op zaterdag 8 juni 2019 16:24 schreef Tingo het volgende:
I got to thinking about the corrosive effects on steel in seawater.
Does seawater corrode steel faster?

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=552

“Yes, it accelerates it . Water is the enabler of fast oxidation of iron so freshwater will also cause rust. However, salt water is a very good conductor (lots of dissociated ions) and so there are a number of electrolysis reactions that tremendously accelerate corrosion in salt water. There is a lot of information on corrosion on the web...”

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Op zondag 9 juni 2019 23:32 schreef Tingo het volgende:
It is claimed in the articles doing the rounds over the last few years that 'low-background steel' is used in the manufacture of Geiger counters. Rather than blindly trust the unsubstantiated claims of these articles, I looked it up:
Geiger counter manufacturers:
https://www.geigercounters.com/AboutGeigers/

No mention of 'low-background steel'.

Build your own !
https://www.researchgate.(...)eiger-muller_counter

No mention of 'low-background steel'.

https://www.environmental(...)geiger-counter-27616

No mention of 'low-background steel'.
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There are loads of pre-'atomic', pre-1945 steel-framed buildings, bridges. How much 'low-background steel' is required I wonder.

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Op maandag 10 juni 2019 13:02 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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One minute to find on google huh? And how long did you take to actually read and understand it?
Maybe you should quote any information which you find relevant to whatever point you are desperately trying to make.

The term 'low-background steel' is not used once throughout the whole (1951) paper.
Even the word 'steel' is used only twice. Nowhere is it mentioned that pre-1945 steel is used in the geiger counter manufacturing process. The paper is about a low background Gieger counter and says nothing about 'low-background steel' being used in the manufacture of geiger counters.
The alleged after-effects of the 'atomic' bombs on the environment and on steel-making are also never even mentioned.

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Op maandag 10 juni 2019 22:29 schreef Tingo het volgende:
I got to thinking about geiger counter components....and if any at all are indeed made with l'ow-background steel'. It seems not.

Some info I just found out about geiger counters....

'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter

it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.

Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.

I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.

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Op maandag 10 juni 2019 22:36 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:
Ik heb een artikel gevonden over auto's waar niets over banden wordt gezegd.
Auto's hebben daarom volgens mij geen banden.

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Op maandag 10 juni 2019 22:29 schreef Tingo het volgende:
I got to thinking about geiger counter components....and if any at all are indeed made with l'ow-background steel'. It seems not.

Some info I just found out about geiger counters....

'There are two main limitations of the Geiger counter. Because the output pulse from a Geiger–Müller tube is always of the same magnitude (regardless of the energy of the incident radiation), the tube cannot differentiate between radiation types.[2] Secondly, the inability to measure high radiation rates due to the "dead time" of the tube. .'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter

it makes one wonder how they can measure the aftermath/environmental consequences of an 'atomic' bomb.

Build you own geiger counter kit:
https://mightyohm.com/blog/products/geiger-counter/
You'd kind of expect that this here/that there 'low-background steel' would be somehow/somewhere to find in the sales pitch, but : No mention whatsoever about 'low-background steel'.

I wonder which highly-sensitive medical equipment parts are made from battleship steel which has been soaking in saltwater for +80 years.