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Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4
Andere topics die interessant zijn:
Shango's raadsel
De man in de schaduw: Steve Gregory Croes
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Buitenland:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
En uiteraard op de FP:
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Holloway-zaak kost Aruba miljoenen
Joran praat morgen met politie
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Video's 2-11-08
On the record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhirWb_4obw
On the record part 2 Body Language Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSq_wBRzYw
On the record part 3 (The Persistence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
On the record part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvBseXhCh4
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Dave Holloway Interview 2-11-08
Dave on NBC/13 Birmingham
Believes that the confession is true.
Does not believe that Deepak and Satish are not involved.
He believes that their involvement will come forward very soon.
He is talking about what happened in Carlos and Charlie's
the night that Natalee disappeared. Says that there is
a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call. He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession. At last call guy would order two drinks
bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks.
He was very disappointed that the three judge panel extended
the time for Joran's lawyer to argue the case. They do not
expect a ruling before the end of the week, even though they
are saying Wednesday.
Dave says that common sense tells him that they put Natalee
in the water.
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Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4
Andere topics die interessant zijn:
Shango's raadsel
De man in de schaduw: Steve Gregory Croes
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Buitenland:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
En uiteraard op de FP:
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Holloway-zaak kost Aruba miljoenen
Joran praat morgen met politie
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Video's 2-11-08
On the record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhirWb_4obw
On the record part 2 Body Language Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSq_wBRzYw
On the record part 3 (The Persistence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
On the record part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvBseXhCh4
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Dave Holloway Interview 2-11-08
Dave on NBC/13 Birmingham
Believes that the confession is true.
Does not believe that Deepak and Satish are not involved.
He believes that their involvement will come forward very soon.
He is talking about what happened in Carlos and Charlie's
the night that Natalee disappeared. Says that there is
a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call. He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession. At last call guy would order two drinks
bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks.
He was very disappointed that the three judge panel extended
the time for Joran's lawyer to argue the case. They do not
expect a ruling before the end of the week, even though they
are saying Wednesday.
Dave says that common sense tells him that they put Natalee
in the water.
[ Bericht 14% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 12-02-2008 06:00:14 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
lolquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:51 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry that I wrecked it, I just had the last fr... post......sorry
no prob.
Off-topic.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:57 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Well, i'm almost of to the B/G i still cn't say bed or gfriend..but at liest it' good and warm..
***** Kraak.....
I'm coming to a serious point now and sorry it's not on tpic.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 06:00 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraak: I'm tired what about you...
***** Kraak.....
Dutch Crew aboard the Persistence (Video)
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
[ Bericht 36% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 06:31:41 ]
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
[ Bericht 36% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 06:31:41 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
eenvandaag ned1 18:20 - 18:50quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 06:16 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Dutch Crew aboard the Persistence (Video)
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
right at the end of the preview she mentions: 'corruption'
i am glad dutch media are starting to pick up on more sides of this.
not just that disgusting car-tape.
de Telegraaf is also the first newspaper to mention cover-up and removed an article with misinformation of the Aruban OM.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
No problem! I realize this is all new to you guys,and it is a lot of information. I really hope you guys had a chance to read the things I posted..quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:08 schreef I.B het volgende:
Sorry for the mix-up Observer.. I don't get the bloody mattrass.. they say it's dog's blood because Joran killed one with a paintgun (I really wanna know if this was on purpose) but how could the shirt be involved in the case? If it was then Joran, the Kalpoe-brothers or Natalee had to wear this on that night but then everyone or at least her girlfriends would have seen it.. and that's not the case otherwise this would be really important evidence in the case.
We don't know if that Mattress was involved,it was saturated with dogs blood on the southern part of the island and found just a few days after NH went missing. We know Joran killed his own dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs also. Within 3 hours they said it was not related and it only had dogs blood. This was the same day they falsely arrested two innocent men and attempted to frame them to lead the investigation away from the real perps.
The VCB shirt,we are told had forensic evidence on it linked to this case. That company VCB is a security company owned by GVC'S Father who runs the camera's at the Holiday Inn where Natalee dissapeared and many of the casino's and Govt bldgs in Aruba. They also run the Visibilty team or beach patrol around the island that works with the police. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested in this case and suspected of being involved . He was good friends of Michael Dompig who is Commissioners Dompigs son. It has been reported he worked for the beach patrol when Natalee went missing. Also some other strange things about this guy,like he got totally weird with a tourist when she mentioned Natalee..I forget it all at the moment but she went to the FBI because his actions were so strange. I posted more on GVC here at FOK in the other threads.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
When I was doing research a few months back I noticed one of the searchers looks just like him.
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Police will not say whether Van Cromvoirt is a possible suspect or a witness. It is Beth's hope that in any event, the teen taken into custody can shed some new light on what happened the night Natalee was last seen. Details continue to emerge about Van Cromvoirt's possible link to Natalee. He was a security guard at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying in Aruba, and he helped search the beaches after her disappearance. What's even more stunning is that Van Cromvoirt's father is in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.
http://www.insideedition.(...)ory.aspx?storyid=144
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The AD reported this a mere 20 minutes ago:
Blood possibly the reason for arrest
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
ORANJESTAD - There seems to be a connection to the find of a shirt with evidence of blood shortly after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the arrest of a 19 year old man.
The suspect, Godfried van C. that was arrested on Aruba last saturday, works for his father's security company VCB Security. The logo of that company was found an a shirt, that was found after an extensive search of the island, on june 6th last year. The shirt had blood-spatters on it.
A police-detective announced that find almost a year ago to journalists. He at that time said that the shirt was impounded for further investigations. What that investigation produced was never made public.
The police had already talked to the suspect, who's parents are dutch, last june but at that moment he was just a witness. On information received after the transmission of Opsporing Verzocht, the police re-interviewed the man, after which he was placed under arrest.
A judge-commissioner will today determine if the DA has sufficient grounds to keep Van C. in jail.
Source: Algemeen Dagblad.
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MSNBC Video: GVC:Criminal Offences that may relate to Natalee Holloway and also offences related to illegal narcotics.
The attorney for Joran Van Der SLoot has seen documents that the t-shirt found on the beach is believed to be GVC'S and it may contain some forensic evidence.
In other vidoes it said they watched him for a very long time before he was arrested. That VCB Shirt was found early June 2005 why was he allowed to be part of the search teams looking for evidence if he was already under suspicions?
http://tinyurl.com/2f487l
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April 17, 2006
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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April 17, 2006 ABC GVC arrest
GVC a teenager who worked for a private security firm patroling beaches. Police have been watching him and the area he patrols for some time now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrzQ-k4pR9w
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http://tinyurl.com/2yccuw
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GVC stuff from Joran's book >
- Arrested 4 days after broadcast of OV (Opsporing Verzoht).
- Public Prosecutor announces GVC suspected due to "facts that can be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and of drugs trade."
- GVC states in SBS6 interview that he is suspected of murder, manslaughter and rape.
- Utrect Police spokeswoman Mieke Kort says GVC arrest not related to OV program.
- GVC and sister (ALE) tried out for parts in OV, only sister selected.
- GVC's father a cop for 20 yrs in Breda, started VCB (video camera security systems) in 1998, moved to Aruba in 1999.
- GVC works for water sports company. During slow period worked as beach guard for Visibility Team (Aug - Dec).
- De Telegraaf reports (4/20/06) that the beaches were the 'hunting grounds' of GVC and Michael Dompig.
- GVC's father responds to 'unconfirmed' bloody t-shirt report that the shirt could have come from anywhere, and that "in those days twice a VCB shirt has been stolen from a clothes-line."
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GVC picture with Steve Croes
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 07:33:09 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The guy with the glasses, that's the guy wich was sketched.
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
there are forces at work here.....
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Haha..Yes exact match!! That is (ch)Jeremy Croes/Jerry Strawberry.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:19 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
The guy with the glasses, that's the guy wich was sketched.
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Shango...is a spider that produces a specif type a web.....
then it can become more clear what he's saying
then it can become more clear what he's saying
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:24 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
there are forces at work here.....
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
there is lot at stake.
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba (dated 1996)
and the funny thing is: justice minister Hirsch Ballin resigned in 1994 because of the IRT-affair.
(in sort: justice department involved in smuggling drugs - very large botched sting operation)
http://nl.wikipedia.org/w(...)e_opsporingsmethoden
and guess what: who is now justice minister: Hirsch Ballin AGAIN!
end of the week he is also going to Antillen - Aruba probably not - he and Croes hate eachothers guts.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
Antilles in epicenter cocaine business
WILLEMSTAD – ‘The Neth.Antilles is in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business’, states a joint report of the Office Drugs and Crime of the United Nations and the Latin-American and Caribbean region of the World Bank: ‘Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean’, which was published yesterday. A special case study of the Neth.Antilles is included in the report.
The persons that produced the 223-page report had two reasons for dedicating 12 pages to the case study of the Neth.Antilles. First, the Neth.Antilles is one of the Caribbean countries that are being afflicted the most by drug smuggling, and worldwide, it has the highest ‘volume of cocaine per inhabitant’. “About one-hundred times more cocaine per inhabitant was confiscated in 2004 than in the United States; more than 9 ton or a little less than 50 gram per each man, woman, and child on the islands. Approximately 60 percent of all intercepted cocaine in the Caribbean was confiscated in the Neth.Antilles; these figures increased enormously between 2001 and 2004.”
Second, the government of the Neth.Antilles, in cooperation with the Dutch government, has perused an innovative and successful policy in order to drive back the cocaine supply.
The researchers say that the big drug catch can not only be attributed to the enormous transit, but also to the good tracing on sea as well as at the airport. “The Neth.Antilles is unique in their geographical vulnerability, especially as regards the maritime traffic. In a way they form Europe’s (and to a lesser degree the United States ) first line of drug smuggling via sea from the Venezuelan coast. The high drug catch figures are mainly a product of excellent police work and must be praised and not judged”, the report states.
CRIMINALITY
As violence and violent threats regulate transactions in this market, the drug smuggling is interrelated with significant increase of criminality, acts of violence and the use of firearms in particular. What’s more, drug smuggling is being associated with money laundering practices, arms smuggling, and corruption. Drug usage is being associated with increased violent criminality as well as several types of robbery. “The Neth.Antillean authorities estimate that 75 percent of the criminality on the islands is drug related.”
The Neth.Antilles has not always been in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business, states the report. “A few things have changed recently. Crime control has made it less likely to ship drugs directly from Colombia and more likely to ship them via another country, especially Venezuela . Curaçao, Bonaire, and Aruba are between a big part of the Venezuelan coast and the rest of the world. There is in addition a lot of commercial sea traffic between Venezuela and the Neth.Antilles, which can serve as a front for the drug transportation and the continuation from there via sea or air.” Another reason that the report produces is that the Neth.Antilles is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands . “While the use of cocaine has dropped in the US since the nineties, it has increased in Europe .” There is also a big group of potential couriers in the Antilles due to the high unemployment figures.
GEOGRAPHICALLY
Despite their diversity, the Caribbean countries share their geographical position in the world’s biggest drug smuggling zone. South-America produces almost all the cocaine, of which 88 percent is sold in the US and Europe . This market was good for 70 milliard dollars in 2003, while the gross domestic product of the entire Caribbean was 31.5 milliard dollars in 2004, compares the report and so indicates how big the economic importance of drugs is. “The value of the drug flow through the region might some day exceed the value of the total legal economy.”
Antilles in epicenter cocaine business
WILLEMSTAD – ‘The Neth.Antilles is in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business’, states a joint report of the Office Drugs and Crime of the United Nations and the Latin-American and Caribbean region of the World Bank: ‘Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean’, which was published yesterday. A special case study of the Neth.Antilles is included in the report.
The persons that produced the 223-page report had two reasons for dedicating 12 pages to the case study of the Neth.Antilles. First, the Neth.Antilles is one of the Caribbean countries that are being afflicted the most by drug smuggling, and worldwide, it has the highest ‘volume of cocaine per inhabitant’. “About one-hundred times more cocaine per inhabitant was confiscated in 2004 than in the United States; more than 9 ton or a little less than 50 gram per each man, woman, and child on the islands. Approximately 60 percent of all intercepted cocaine in the Caribbean was confiscated in the Neth.Antilles; these figures increased enormously between 2001 and 2004.”
Second, the government of the Neth.Antilles, in cooperation with the Dutch government, has perused an innovative and successful policy in order to drive back the cocaine supply.
The researchers say that the big drug catch can not only be attributed to the enormous transit, but also to the good tracing on sea as well as at the airport. “The Neth.Antilles is unique in their geographical vulnerability, especially as regards the maritime traffic. In a way they form Europe’s (and to a lesser degree the United States ) first line of drug smuggling via sea from the Venezuelan coast. The high drug catch figures are mainly a product of excellent police work and must be praised and not judged”, the report states.
CRIMINALITY
As violence and violent threats regulate transactions in this market, the drug smuggling is interrelated with significant increase of criminality, acts of violence and the use of firearms in particular. What’s more, drug smuggling is being associated with money laundering practices, arms smuggling, and corruption. Drug usage is being associated with increased violent criminality as well as several types of robbery. “The Neth.Antillean authorities estimate that 75 percent of the criminality on the islands is drug related.”
The Neth.Antilles has not always been in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business, states the report. “A few things have changed recently. Crime control has made it less likely to ship drugs directly from Colombia and more likely to ship them via another country, especially Venezuela . Curaçao, Bonaire, and Aruba are between a big part of the Venezuelan coast and the rest of the world. There is in addition a lot of commercial sea traffic between Venezuela and the Neth.Antilles, which can serve as a front for the drug transportation and the continuation from there via sea or air.” Another reason that the report produces is that the Neth.Antilles is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands . “While the use of cocaine has dropped in the US since the nineties, it has increased in Europe .” There is also a big group of potential couriers in the Antilles due to the high unemployment figures.
GEOGRAPHICALLY
Despite their diversity, the Caribbean countries share their geographical position in the world’s biggest drug smuggling zone. South-America produces almost all the cocaine, of which 88 percent is sold in the US and Europe . This market was good for 70 milliard dollars in 2003, while the gross domestic product of the entire Caribbean was 31.5 milliard dollars in 2004, compares the report and so indicates how big the economic importance of drugs is. “The value of the drug flow through the region might some day exceed the value of the total legal economy.”
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I know the IRT afair back in 1994.
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I wish they had one connection to the whitehouse..Then maybe that stinken Govt would help a little. It's just more dis-information because the cover up in Aruba runs to the very top. It's just like the ATA members on the internet accusing us of making money of the holloway case.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:56 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
I know the IRT afair back in 1994.
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
'Juiste mensen moeten achter tralies'
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
[WEBLOG ARUBA] Weinig Arubanen houden zich tot op de dag van vandaag bezig met zoeken naar Natalee Holloway. Zakenman Eduardo Mansur is zo’n uitzondering.
afbeelding vergroten Natalee Holloway op het strand van Aruba.
Hij helpt de familie Holloway waar hij kan. Hij fungeert als een makelaar tussen de Arubaanse contacten die er toe doen en Amerikaanse zoekteams of privé-detectives die namens de Holloways Aruba aandoen.
Mansur houdt kantoor in zijn bar in Palm Beach, waar alles en iedereen bij elkaar komt. Daar vertelt hij over de begindagen bijna drie jaar geleden. De dagen dat elke tip de gouden tip kon zijn. Toen hij tot drie keer rond het hele eiland heeft gelopen.
Een van de meest memorabele tips kwam van een man die van de vuilnisbelt leefde. ,,Hij vertelde dat hij had gezien hoe mensen iets opgerold in een tapijt op de vuilnisbelt hadden gedumpt. Hij had blond haar gezien en was er zeker van dat het Natalee was.’’ Na dertig dagen vuil spitten, vond Mansur het tapijt, met daarin opgerold een palmboom. ,,De man had de palmbladeren voor Natalee’s haar aangezien. Hij was toen waarschijnlijk onder invloed van drugs.’’
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’
De Arubaan heeft grijze haren van de zaak gekregen. Waarom gaat hij toch door? ,,Ik wil dat het afgelopen is. Dat de familie deze tragedie kan afsluiten. Ik wil hen hun dochter teruggeven. En ik wil dat de juiste mensen achter de tralies belanden: Joran, zijn vader, de genius achter deze cover-up, en wat dirty cops.’’
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
[WEBLOG ARUBA] Weinig Arubanen houden zich tot op de dag van vandaag bezig met zoeken naar Natalee Holloway. Zakenman Eduardo Mansur is zo’n uitzondering.
afbeelding vergroten Natalee Holloway op het strand van Aruba.
Hij helpt de familie Holloway waar hij kan. Hij fungeert als een makelaar tussen de Arubaanse contacten die er toe doen en Amerikaanse zoekteams of privé-detectives die namens de Holloways Aruba aandoen.
Mansur houdt kantoor in zijn bar in Palm Beach, waar alles en iedereen bij elkaar komt. Daar vertelt hij over de begindagen bijna drie jaar geleden. De dagen dat elke tip de gouden tip kon zijn. Toen hij tot drie keer rond het hele eiland heeft gelopen.
Een van de meest memorabele tips kwam van een man die van de vuilnisbelt leefde. ,,Hij vertelde dat hij had gezien hoe mensen iets opgerold in een tapijt op de vuilnisbelt hadden gedumpt. Hij had blond haar gezien en was er zeker van dat het Natalee was.’’ Na dertig dagen vuil spitten, vond Mansur het tapijt, met daarin opgerold een palmboom. ,,De man had de palmbladeren voor Natalee’s haar aangezien. Hij was toen waarschijnlijk onder invloed van drugs.’’
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’
De Arubaan heeft grijze haren van de zaak gekregen. Waarom gaat hij toch door? ,,Ik wil dat het afgelopen is. Dat de familie deze tragedie kan afsluiten. Ik wil hen hun dochter teruggeven. En ik wil dat de juiste mensen achter de tralies belanden: Joran, zijn vader, de genius achter deze cover-up, en wat dirty cops.’’
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So just because I said 'get a life', I'm adding wrong information? I guess you smell a conspiracy behind everything!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 22:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I just love when hypocrits come here and add nothing but wrong information and attack good people trying to help a country,a murdered girl and victims. Talk about the need for getting a life!!
PWBF
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
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NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 09:42:54 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The presentor already lies in the first 6 seconds of the video, but we'll see what the rest of it brings.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 09:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
http://www.youtube.com/user/gensing7000
PWBF
A cute little white girl and a negro!
White Neocon America's favourite victim and criminal in one programme!
White Neocon America's favourite victim and criminal in one programme!
PWBF
I just can't imagine this tbh. How can people, especially those whose job it is, mix a human arm with the leg of a pelican? Either it wasn't a human bone, or the Venezuelian Gov. is involved too..quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 08:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Different approach, shango capicola was discovered bij Strand in 1909, maybe "strand" refers to the person behind shango.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:35 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Shango...is a spider that produces a specif type a web.....
then it can become more clear what he's saying
Capa del satén blanco, Cuerpo del acero, Corazón del oro.
The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:10 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No problem! I realize this is all new to you guys,and it is a lot of information. I really hope you guys had a chance to read the things I posted..
We don't know if that Mattress was involved,it was saturated with dogs blood on the southern part of the island and found just a few days after NH went missing. We know Joran killed his own dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs also. Within 3 hours they said it was not related and it only had dogs blood. This was the same day they falsely arrested two innocent men and attempted to frame them to lead the investigation away from the real perps.
The VCB shirt,we are told had forensic evidence on it linked to this case. That company VCB is a security company owned by GVC'S Father who runs the camera's at the Holiday Inn where Natalee dissapeared and many of the casino's and Govt bldgs in Aruba. They also run the Visibilty team or beach patrol around the island that works with the police. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested in this case and suspected of being involved . He was good friends of Michael Dompig who is Commissioners Dompigs son. It has been reported he worked for the beach patrol when Natalee went missing. Also some other strange things about this guy,like he got totally weird with a tourist when she mentioned Natalee..I forget it all at the moment but she went to the FBI because his actions were so strange. I posted more on GVC here at FOK in the other threads.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
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Police will not say whether Van Cromvoirt is a possible suspect or a witness. It is Beth's hope that in any event, the teen taken into custody can shed some new light on what happened the night Natalee was last seen. Details continue to emerge about Van Cromvoirt's possible link to Natalee. He was a security guard at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying in Aruba, and he helped search the beaches after her disappearance. What's even more stunning is that Van Cromvoirt's father is in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.
http://www.insideedition.(...)ory.aspx?storyid=144
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The AD reported this a mere 20 minutes ago:
Blood possibly the reason for arrest
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
ORANJESTAD - There seems to be a connection to the find of a shirt with evidence of blood shortly after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the arrest of a 19 year old man.
The suspect, Godfried van C. that was arrested on Aruba last saturday, works for his father's security company VCB Security. The logo of that company was found an a shirt, that was found after an extensive search of the island, on june 6th last year. The shirt had blood-spatters on it.
A police-detective announced that find almost a year ago to journalists. He at that time said that the shirt was impounded for further investigations. What that investigation produced was never made public.
The police had already talked to the suspect, who's parents are dutch, last june but at that moment he was just a witness. On information received after the transmission of Opsporing Verzocht, the police re-interviewed the man, after which he was placed under arrest.
A judge-commissioner will today determine if the DA has sufficient grounds to keep Van C. in jail.
Source: Algemeen Dagblad.
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MSNBC Video: GVC:Criminal Offences that may relate to Natalee Holloway and also offences related to illegal narcotics.
The attorney for Joran Van Der SLoot has seen documents that the t-shirt found on the beach is believed to be GVC'S and it may contain some forensic evidence.
In other vidoes it said they watched him for a very long time before he was arrested. That VCB Shirt was found early June 2005 why was he allowed to be part of the search teams looking for evidence if he was already under suspicions?
http://tinyurl.com/2f487l
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April 17, 2006
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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April 17, 2006 ABC GVC arrest
GVC a teenager who worked for a private security firm patroling beaches. Police have been watching him and the area he patrols for some time now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrzQ-k4pR9w
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http://tinyurl.com/2yccuw
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GVC stuff from Joran's book >
- Arrested 4 days after broadcast of OV (Opsporing Verzoht).
- Public Prosecutor announces GVC suspected due to "facts that can be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and of drugs trade."
- GVC states in SBS6 interview that he is suspected of murder, manslaughter and rape.
- Utrect Police spokeswoman Mieke Kort says GVC arrest not related to OV program.
- GVC and sister (ALE) tried out for parts in OV, only sister selected.
- GVC's father a cop for 20 yrs in Breda, started VCB (video camera security systems) in 1998, moved to Aruba in 1999.
- GVC works for water sports company. During slow period worked as beach guard for Visibility Team (Aug - Dec).
- De Telegraaf reports (4/20/06) that the beaches were the 'hunting grounds' of GVC and Michael Dompig.
- GVC's father responds to 'unconfirmed' bloody t-shirt report that the shirt could have come from anywhere, and that "in those days twice a VCB shirt has been stolen from a clothes-line."
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GVC picture with Steve Croes
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Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
The GVC picture with Steve Croes,
I doubt that is GVC on that photo. Looks like another guy.
And since long it's clear that GVC had nothing to do with the case.
I doubt that is GVC on that photo. Looks like another guy.
And since long it's clear that GVC had nothing to do with the case.
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
Welk meisje? Enige die ik kan bedenken was die duitse van die gast prikopil die zelfmoord pleegde. Natasha kampsuugh ofzo.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:20 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
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In Part 2quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 09:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
8.15 Jug says Beth showed pic of Natalee to Joran and asked him, have you seen this girl and Joran said: no never seen this girl in my life? When was that? The first time they met Joran at his house? Or did they met before that?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
On Aruba?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:20 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
No there was a girl missing 7 years ago Amy Bradley she also went to C&C....quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:27 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Welk meisje? Enige die ik kan bedenken was die duitse van die gast prikopil die zelfmoord pleegde. Natasha kampsuugh ofzo.
She is already mentioned here on fok
I want to know all the information maybe there's a link between the too of them..does anybody already searched this?????????????
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
thats new for me. Observer?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:36 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
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No there was a girl missing 7 years ago Amy Bradley she also went to C&C....
She is already mentioned here on fok
I want to know all the information maybe there's a link between the too of them..does anybody already searched this?????????????
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Yesss she was missing on Aruba....
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
hehhe Observer nows for sure.....
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Amy Lynn Bradley (born May 12, 1974) is an American citizen who went missing during a Caribbean cruise. She has never been found. Amy, her parents, and her brother were vacationing on the Royal Caribbean International cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas. At 5:30am on March 24, 1998, Amy's brother, Bradley, left his sister sitting on the outdoor balcony and entered his cabin. Amy was seen a short time later by other passengers riding in the ship's elevator with a member of the ship's band, Blue Orchid, known by the alias "Yellow." The ship was en route to Curaçao, Antilles at the time Amy was last seen. The ship docked in Curaçao shortly after Amy was discovered missing. Extensive searches on the ship and at sea produced no signs of Amy's whereabouts.
Police investigated and discarded many theories regarding Amy's disappearance. It is unlikely that she fell overboard and drowned, given that she was a trained lifeguard and the ship was close to shore at the time of her disappearance. It is also considered unlikely that Amy voluntarily disappeared to start a new life. She had recently graduated from college and was anticipating starting a new job when she returned to her home in Chesterfield County, Virginia.
There were possible sightings of Amy in Curaçao in 1998 and 1999. Two Canadian tourists reported seeing a woman resembling Amy on a beach in Curaçao in 1998. The woman's tattoos were identical to Amy's. In 1999 an American sailor reported that he went to a brothel on Curaçao and was approached by a young woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar escorted her upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the witness reported this to police several months later, the brothel had burned down.
An image of her that was emailed to her parents was shown on the Dr. Phil show, and it suggests that she was sold into sexual slavery.
There is a $250,000 reward for information leading to Amy's return.
Police investigated and discarded many theories regarding Amy's disappearance. It is unlikely that she fell overboard and drowned, given that she was a trained lifeguard and the ship was close to shore at the time of her disappearance. It is also considered unlikely that Amy voluntarily disappeared to start a new life. She had recently graduated from college and was anticipating starting a new job when she returned to her home in Chesterfield County, Virginia.
There were possible sightings of Amy in Curaçao in 1998 and 1999. Two Canadian tourists reported seeing a woman resembling Amy on a beach in Curaçao in 1998. The woman's tattoos were identical to Amy's. In 1999 an American sailor reported that he went to a brothel on Curaçao and was approached by a young woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar escorted her upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the witness reported this to police several months later, the brothel had burned down.
An image of her that was emailed to her parents was shown on the Dr. Phil show, and it suggests that she was sold into sexual slavery.
There is a $250,000 reward for information leading to Amy's return.
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I'm missing something here? She was missing on aruba? From what I've just read, she was on a cruise ship in the Caribbean sea... not on the island.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:44 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Yesss she was missing on Aruba....
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
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AUBquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:48 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:
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The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?
Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article279786.ece
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
We get back on the boat. We're there that afternoon. That evening, one of the waiters came up to us as we were in the atrium. He specifically asked for Amy by name. I asked him why he wanted Amy. He said because we want to take her to a bar.
And I said, "She's with her brother in the casino." So when they came out, we told her about the waiter wanting to take her off of the ship. And she screwed her mouth up and said, "No way, that's too creepy." We suggested being in a foreign country that they not leave the ship. We came to find out that the same bar that they wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in.
http://creditboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104669
And I said, "She's with her brother in the casino." So when they came out, we told her about the waiter wanting to take her off of the ship. And she screwed her mouth up and said, "No way, that's too creepy." We suggested being in a foreign country that they not leave the ship. We came to find out that the same bar that they wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in.
http://creditboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104669
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
mighty googlequote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
hehhe Observer nows for sure.....
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bradley_amy.html
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
So? That doesn't proof anything of course. It's weird, but no more then that
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haha of course it doesn't prove anything... but it's something too keep in mind
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
yeah, well... I don't know.
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
Before you know people will say that the bijlmerramp was planned by our queen
don't get me wrong, some things or just not right/ very strange in this case. But I can't believe the whole arubian authorities are behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
Before you know people will say that the bijlmerramp was planned by our queen
don't get me wrong, some things or just not right/ very strange in this case. But I can't believe the whole arubian authorities are behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
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Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
je kan het op in de rebound 3 of 4 vinden Super girl
je kan het op in de rebound 3 of 4 vinden Super girl
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
And it keeps being just strange because we don't know ALL the details.. it's an island so it isn't hard to connect everyone to eachother. This is such a mediacircus I wouldn't find it weird if they don't tell us all of the evidence or whatever they are searching for because it's still a case.. if they tell everything they find they just tell the person/persons who know what happend to Natalee what to expect. Correct me if I'm wrong
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
No, in fact she is not a complete liar:quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrkgdT3tFXU&feature=related
5.23
Voiceover: She (Natalee) probably know she stayed in the crackhouse on the island. But nobody knows this. She wants to leave the island unnoticed
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgAfcmjH8E&feature=related
at 2.25
Voiceover: The family went to the crackhouse to pick up Natalee
Renfro: The plan was to go into the house, to pay the money, to get Natalee and of course we knew that the Medjet plane was already waiting and we had a route to get to the airport so that she could leave right away, immediately.
Voiceover: The things went differently according to Renfro. Natalee's family member could not control themselves and stormed the crackhouse.
Renfro: There was a group of approx. 12 people from Alabama that were with us trying to locate Natalee and one them desided that the would pre-jump the wall and the whole street went crazy.
And yes, there is some truth behind this story, Jug said himself on Nancy Grace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
at 5.49
Jug: Absolutely, cause they knew she was dead, probably the second day. You know my friends went down there with me. We went to all the crackhouses, just kicking down the doors.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Well why not just call it widespread corruption? That shouldnt be that hard to imagine. It happens all the time, you can read about it every day. People in influential positions abusing their powers. Cover-ups happen.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:16 schreef Qwea het volgende:
yeah, well... I don't know.
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
To dismiss a possible cover-up beforehand, because of a "Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything"-attitude would just be foolish.
It's foolish to believe that behind everything is a cover up.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:55 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Well why not just call it widespread corruption? That shouldnt be that hard to imagine. It happens all the time, you can read about it every day. People in influential positions abusing their powers. Cover-ups happen.
To dismiss a possible cover-up beforehand, because of a "Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything"-attitude would just be foolish.
Corruption, fine. But I won't believe that this is a cover up. Same as I won' believe that 9/11 was a cover up.
Goddamn, something in the world happens, and the first thing people are saying ; " AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH COVERUP!!!!!!!! The government is lying to us!!!!!!!"
Get a grip. If this is really a coverup, do you have any idea how many people are involved? Do you really think that all of those people will keep there mouth shut? Yeah? Well, I don't.
My partner made a topic this week about conspiracy theorist. I think he's right.
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That 'Lyson kitchen spray' that was found in the area where the vcb shirt was found.
Can it only be bought in the U.S., canada and puerto rico?
Can it only be bought in the U.S., canada and puerto rico?
wednesday Peter R. de Vries and Beth Twitty on ScaredMonkeysRadio.
i don't know what time, maybe thursday morning dutch time.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/
Peter R. de Vries op ScaredMonkeyRadio
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i don't know what time, maybe thursday morning dutch time.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/
Peter R. de Vries op ScaredMonkeyRadio
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Als op de foto duidelijk te zien was dat het een arm was, kan die foto dan niet beter worden opgestuurd naar een forensisch instituut?quote:Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’[/b]
Kweet niet, maar er bestaan vast verschillen tussen armen en pelikanenpoten.
Dit verhaal komt me wel een beetje onwaarschijnlijk over, maar ja, je weet het niet he?
Het kan geen kwaad er rekening mee houden dat iedereen verhalen kan gaan rondstrooien.
Opsturen naar een forensisch instituut die foto, zou ik zeggen.
Freddy's June 12, 2005 witness statement implies that the FOUR of them went to the beach and ... THEY left her on the beach.
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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005
Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.
He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.
After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.
They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.
The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translator: Rammstein
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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005
Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.
He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.
After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.
They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.
The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translator: Rammstein
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
More on GVC,This is the same story that was on our America's most wanted.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
For some reason alot of the youtubes lately have been yanked lately,they worked a month ago. Correct,we were toold the duct tape and hair was not natalee. The resuts of the VCB shirt were never made public. No idea where the shirt is,,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:48 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:
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The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?
Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
I agree with you,Someone has to talk or the walls of the cover up have to come down or this will never be solved.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Amy Bradley dissapeared from a cruise ship as it was arriving in Curacao. As they were docked outside of Aruba a couple of band members were persistent in taking her to Carlos and Charlies,she thought they were creepy so she never went. Later A American sailor was at a brothel when he was approached by a girl that said she was Amy Bradley and she needed his help. He was not supposed to be at this place so he never reported it until much later. When they went back to this Brothel it was burned down. A picture was found 2 years ago that looks very similar to her on a Adult Vaction place in a island off of Venezuela called Margarita Island. It is believed to be her.As far as I know there is no connection with Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway.quote:
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
She is a liar and words cannot describe this person,most everything she has said has proven to be lies. She has zero credibility.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
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Peter Devries
MARTHA MACCALLUM
FOX NEWS
November 28, 2006
MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.
PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.
MARTHA: Alright, well good to have you from Holland! Thank you ver much for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.
PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.
And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.
MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?
PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.
MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.
PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has guilt on the disappearance of Natalee .… that he has something to do with it.
So there is no misunderstanding about that, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?
But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.
MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today. We want to bring in now, on the phone, from Alabama…is Natalee’s Mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, welcome to you.
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The LineUp 12-03-06
Kimberly: Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries conducted the investigation. I asked him about his conversation with Van der Sloots first attorney Antonio Carlo. Listen to this.
Peter: Well we paid Carlo a visit in his office and we recorded that with candid camera and at first he tried to deny that there had been a meeting with head prosecutor but after a while he realized what we knew and then he got very uncomfortable and admitted that there had been a meeting and that was with the head prosecutor and panicked and he was very uncomfortable with this.
Kimberly: Now how did Antonio Carlo describe why he met Karin Janssen?
Peter: Well he didnt want to tell us very much about it but what we found out that there was a secret meeting and thats highly unusually because head prosecutor is not allowed to have talks during an investigation with the lawyer or attorney so thats very strange and also Karin Janssen the head prosecutor wrote us a fax in which she admitted that a meeting took place so its impossible to deny that there was a meeting.
Kimberly: And what was divulged during these meetings.
Peter: Well in the meeting Mr. Carlo said that he had to clear his conscience and that Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. No doubt at all that he said that.
Kimberly: Did he go into any other details in terms of what that means played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Peter: Well he then stated to the head prosecutor that it was up to the police and the justice to get the full proof of this but that he wanted to clear his conscience and that yeah they had to do the work.
Kimberly: And how many letters were exchanged back and forth between them and what information was in those letters?
Peter: Well the head prosecutor wrote him a letter and she asked for more details and then Mr. Carlo got scared because his tip was certainly on paper and he didnt expect that because it was a secret meeting and when Karin Janssen put it on paper he realized it was no longer a secret so then he wrote a letter back and denied he had said something like that.
Kimberly: Now have any of the Aruban or Dutch Officials contacted you about this important information?
Peter: Yeah they contact me I have several sources in this case and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said that.
Kimberly: And what do the investigators make of this?
Peter: Now they make of this of course that Joran Van der Sloot is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee.
Kimberly: Wow. Now you know of course Jorans current attorney Joe Tacopina said that this is making up facts your fabricating facts there was no such meeting.
Peter: No then (Peter started laughing) he doesnt know what happened I think and I have recording with our candid camera which shows the opposite of what he is saying so I dont think hes very well informed.
Kimberly: Alright well Peter thank you so much in joining me tonight and talking about these new developments.
Peter: OK welcome.
Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:
Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.
Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.
Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.
Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.
Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?
Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.
Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?
Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.
Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?
Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.
Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?
Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.
Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?
Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.
Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?
Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.
Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?
Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.
Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.
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Peter Devries
MARTHA MACCALLUM
FOX NEWS
November 28, 2006
MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.
PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.
MARTHA: Alright, well good to have you from Holland! Thank you ver much for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.
PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.
And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.
MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?
PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.
MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.
PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has guilt on the disappearance of Natalee .… that he has something to do with it.
So there is no misunderstanding about that, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?
But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.
MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today. We want to bring in now, on the phone, from Alabama…is Natalee’s Mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, welcome to you.
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The LineUp 12-03-06
Kimberly: Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries conducted the investigation. I asked him about his conversation with Van der Sloots first attorney Antonio Carlo. Listen to this.
Peter: Well we paid Carlo a visit in his office and we recorded that with candid camera and at first he tried to deny that there had been a meeting with head prosecutor but after a while he realized what we knew and then he got very uncomfortable and admitted that there had been a meeting and that was with the head prosecutor and panicked and he was very uncomfortable with this.
Kimberly: Now how did Antonio Carlo describe why he met Karin Janssen?
Peter: Well he didnt want to tell us very much about it but what we found out that there was a secret meeting and thats highly unusually because head prosecutor is not allowed to have talks during an investigation with the lawyer or attorney so thats very strange and also Karin Janssen the head prosecutor wrote us a fax in which she admitted that a meeting took place so its impossible to deny that there was a meeting.
Kimberly: And what was divulged during these meetings.
Peter: Well in the meeting Mr. Carlo said that he had to clear his conscience and that Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. No doubt at all that he said that.
Kimberly: Did he go into any other details in terms of what that means played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Peter: Well he then stated to the head prosecutor that it was up to the police and the justice to get the full proof of this but that he wanted to clear his conscience and that yeah they had to do the work.
Kimberly: And how many letters were exchanged back and forth between them and what information was in those letters?
Peter: Well the head prosecutor wrote him a letter and she asked for more details and then Mr. Carlo got scared because his tip was certainly on paper and he didnt expect that because it was a secret meeting and when Karin Janssen put it on paper he realized it was no longer a secret so then he wrote a letter back and denied he had said something like that.
Kimberly: Now have any of the Aruban or Dutch Officials contacted you about this important information?
Peter: Yeah they contact me I have several sources in this case and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said that.
Kimberly: And what do the investigators make of this?
Peter: Now they make of this of course that Joran Van der Sloot is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee.
Kimberly: Wow. Now you know of course Jorans current attorney Joe Tacopina said that this is making up facts your fabricating facts there was no such meeting.
Peter: No then (Peter started laughing) he doesnt know what happened I think and I have recording with our candid camera which shows the opposite of what he is saying so I dont think hes very well informed.
Kimberly: Alright well Peter thank you so much in joining me tonight and talking about these new developments.
Peter: OK welcome.
Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:
Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.
Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.
Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.
Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.
Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?
Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.
Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?
Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.
Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?
Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.
Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?
Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.
Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?
Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.
Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?
Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.
Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?
Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.
Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.
http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Het is toch idioot als dit soort tapes en zo bestaan dat er niet al lang een rechtszaak is geweest? Ongelooflijk.
GVC has nothing to do with the case.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 18:54 schreef observer777 het volgende:
More on GVC,This is the same story that was on our America's most wanted.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
A little attempt to unmystify him......
On the web there is a recent "interview" with him (and his family) about his impressions after the Peter de Vries show.
But it's not realy interesting what they have to say.
Voormalig verdachte Geoffrey Cromvoirt reageert op uitzending De Vries
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
Thanks for the vidquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:44 schreef barthol het volgende:
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GVC has nothing to do with the case.
A little attempt to unmystify him......
On the web there is a recent "interview" with him (and his family) about his impressions after the Peter de Vries show.
But it's not realy interesting what they have to say.
Voormalig verdachte Geoffrey Cromvoirt reageert op uitzending De Vries
What do they say? You should know that Joran's American Lawyer Joe Tacopina continues to throw Jeffrey under the bus,says he was seen with Natalee after Joran and that the VCB shirt does have forensic evidence on it and it is linked to this case and that is why GVC was arrested.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:39 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Het is toch idioot als dit soort tapes en zo bestaan dat er niet al lang een rechtszaak is geweest? Ongelooflijk.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
Keep the faith!!
voorspelbaarquote:
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Zomaar een vraagje hoor, ben jij wel eens op schizofrenie getest?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
[..]
staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
denk je nou werkelijk dat joran zo'n belangrijk persoontje in z'n eentje is.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 22:00 schreef Klummie het volgende:
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Zomaar een vraagje hoor, ben jij wel eens op schizofrenie getest?
dat hij advocatenbureau's in Aruba, Nederland en Amerika achter zich heeft?
waar betaalt hij dat allemaal van? van z'n zakgeld zeker.
of is die Paul van der Sloot zo'n rijk man.
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/
die knakker doet het echt niet pro bono hoor.
je zou eens naar die Tacopina moeten luisteren in wat voor bochten die zich wringt.
hij kwam met het verhaal dat er vanaf die telefooncel niet gebeld was door Joran.
dat had ie van de kustwacht zei hij.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Nee man, maar je draaft zo verschrikkelijk door.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:02 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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denk je nou werkelijk dat joran zo'n belangrijk persoontje in z'n eentje is.
dat hij advocatenbureau's in Aruba, Nederland en Amerika achter zich heeft?
waar betaalt hij dat allemaal van? van z'n zakgeld zeker.
of is die Paul van der Sloot zo'n rijk man.
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/
die knakker doet het echt niet pro bono hoor.
je zou eens naar die Tacopina moeten luisteren in wat voor bochten die zich wringt.
hij kwam met het verhaal dat er vanaf die telefooncel niet gebeld was door Joran.
dat had ie van de kustwacht zei hij.
Aftreden van de regering en dus Wilders aan de macht
Je ziet overal een samenzwering in. Nogmaals, je brengt je speculaties naar voren als vaststaande feiten, dat is catgeorisch onjuist.
Ik weet het! Het waren de moslims want als Wilders aan de macht zou komen zouden zij een gerechtigde aanleiding hebben om om een coupe te plegen in ons land! De nederlandse overheid scheit natuurlijk al 7 kleuren stront bij deze gedachte en dekt de arubanen in, de amerikanen kijken met lede ogen toe maar zijn in deze tijd van depressie ook niet gebaat bij een burgeroorlog in europa. Zij verzinnen bewijsstukken en laten deze ook weer verdwijnen, schuiven de schuld op zuid amerikaanse landen zodat ze verzekerd zijn van steun uit het westen in hun war on drugs. Aruba wordt aangemerkt als drugseiland zodat de focus daar ligt en andere drugsexporterende landen zich ongewaand denken terwijl Osama een aanslag op Colombia pleegt zodat hij de 9/11 aanslagen goed maakt en de VS een aanleiding geeft zuid amerika te annexeren en zodoende de drugshandel in handen te krijgen. Nederland mag XTC blijven exporteren zolang dit maar via Aruba gebeurt. De moslims blijven aanvallen omdat hun opium en heroine handel stagneert door het royale aanbod van goede coke en XTC.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:02 schreef Caesu het volgende:
-knip-
Ik ben niet schizo, het waren de moslims! Je weet toch?
Capa del satén blanco, Cuerpo del acero, Corazón del oro.
ik kan natuurlijk ook niet in de toekomst kijken.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:19 schreef Klummie het volgende:
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Nee man, maar je draaft zo verschrikkelijk door.
Aftreden van de regering en dus Wilders aan de macht
Nogmaals, je brengt je speculaties naar voren als vaststaande feiten, dat is catgeorisch onjuist.
maar ik probeer wel een groter plaatje te zien.
en probeer vervolgens een beetje vooruit te denken.
daar draaf ik misschien wat in door, maar kan dat kwaad?
als je bijvoorbeeld in een kantoorgebouw een bijzonder gedetailleerd evacuatieplan opstelt.
dan ga je toch ook niet zeggen: "onheilsprofeet, denk je werkelijk dat de boel in de fik zal gaan?".
nogmaals een vraag aan jou:
denk je werkelijk dat het hier alleen maar om Joran van der Sloot gaat, een kereltje wat de halve dag stoned is en een beetje online zit te pokeren?
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Nogmaals, ik denk helemaal niets, ik wacht liever de feiten af.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:27 schreef Caesu het volgende:
[..]
ik kan natuurlijk ook niet in de toekomst kijken.
maar ik probeer wel een groter plaatje te zien.
en probeer vervolgens een beetje vooruit te denken.
daar draaf ik misschien wat in door, maar kan dat kwaad?
als je bijvoorbeeld in een kantoorgebouw een bijzonder gedetailleerd evacuatieplan opstelt.
dan ga je toch ook niet zeggen: "onheilsprofeet, denk je werkelijk dat de boel in de fik zal gaan?".
nogmaals een vraag aan jou:
denk je werkelijk dat het hier alleen maar om Joran van der Sloot gaat, een kereltje wat de halve dag stoned is en een beetje online zit te pokeren?
Ik lees de gekste verhalen op internet hierover, overal zit er wel een vorm van logica in, ze spreken elkaar echter ook op tal van punten tegen. Du swie of wat moet je geloven, ik geloof de feiten, als die er ooit komen.
Er is geen enkele feitelijke reden om aan te nemen dat dit om iets meer gaat dan Joran.
Er is nog steeds geen lijk, geen getuige, geen enkel spoor en dat na tweeënhalf jaar. Alleen een hele hoop gebakken lucht. Maar omdat nu allemaal af te schuiven op een grote complottheorie?
You know, what they say is hardly interesting. It's not much of an interview. Basicly the reporter askedquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:12 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thanks for the vid
if they were also shocked by what the had seen, and they confirm the were also shocked by the shown
disrespect. At the end Geoffrey tells about the unconvenience of having to explain his innocence every
time when he meets new friends.
In his former interview Geoffrey had stated he never met Natalee, and that is most likely the truth.
It was very convincing in that interview.
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
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Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
prima geen probleem.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:33 schreef Klummie het volgende:
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Nogmaals, ik denk helemaal niets, ik wacht liever de feiten af.
Ik lees de gekste verhalen op internet hierover, overal zit er wel een vorm van logica in, ze spreken elkaar echter ook op tal van punten tegen. Du swie of wat moet je geloven, ik geloof de feiten, als die er ooit komen.
Er is geen enkele feitelijke reden om aan te nemen dat dit om iets meer gaat dan Joran.
Er is nog steeds geen lijk, geen getuige, geen enkel spoor en dat na tweeënhalf jaar. Alleen een hele hoop gebakken lucht. Maar omdat nu allemaal af te schuiven op een grote complottheorie?
ik wacht natuurlijk ook af, we kunnen niet anders.
maar ondertussen denk ik wel een beetje na hoe dit rommeltje zou kunnen aflopen.
reken maar dat de hotline tussen Aruba en Den Haag roodgloeiend staat, we zouden allemaal graag willen meeluisteren denk ik.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Die advocaten zijn gewoon uit op publiciteit, Maar goed ik ben het met je eens dat hier veeeeel meer achter zit dan men ons wil doen geloven... Daar ben ik van overtuigtquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:02 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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denk je nou werkelijk dat joran zo'n belangrijk persoontje in z'n eentje is.
dat hij advocatenbureau's in Aruba, Nederland en Amerika achter zich heeft?
waar betaalt hij dat allemaal van? van z'n zakgeld zeker.
of is die Paul van der Sloot zo'n rijk man.
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/
die knakker doet het echt niet pro bono hoor.
je zou eens naar die Tacopina moeten luisteren in wat voor bochten die zich wringt.
hij kwam met het verhaal dat er vanaf die telefooncel niet gebeld was door Joran.
dat had ie van de kustwacht zei hij.
Expertus dico
LOL Tacopina...$ 750 an hour, 1-800-save-my-ass, 'gotta find booty'.
On which show did he yell at Joran talking on the PRDV tapes:'Joran SHUT UP!!' ?
On which show did he yell at Joran talking on the PRDV tapes:'Joran SHUT UP!!' ?
She wasnt missing from aruba....please keep the facts strait. She was last seen on the ship enroute to Curacaoquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:44 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Yesss she was missing on Aruba....
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Er is gewoon veel fout gegaan in het onderzoek, verdachten niet gelijk vastgezet maar eerst tijd gegeven om iets te doen? Verder heel veel nieuws de wereld in gegooid allemaal via officiele bronnen, en dan toch weer ontkend. Zoals dat Joran had opgebiecht en de politie wilde lijden naar het lichaam.. Dat werd een dag erna ook weer terug getrokken. Dan het gelieg van Joran Deepak en Satish.. Al die dingen laten mij wel zien dat er iets niet klopt en dat er mensen zijn die zeker meer weten.. Van wie kreeg Joran hulp? De naam die die mee zou nemen in zn graf.. wie bel je als je 17 bent en je bent in paniek? Je vader zeer waarschijnlijk.. Alleen paniek komt weer niet overeen met wat Joran zelf tegen Patrick zegt. En of hij nou lult of niet, hij is op internet gegaan, heeft gesmst, heeft zn schoenen weggegooid.. Kortom genoeg om AAN te kunnen nemen dat er iets niet echt klopt.
Die site van Rene van Nie (die de vader is van Nada van Nie overigens), die Observer in een vorig topic heeft gegeven, is toch wel grappig om te lezen. Vanaf 2005 beschrijft hij als local zo'n beetje wat er allemaal gaande is in de Holloway zaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Van beneden naar boven lezen dus.
een greep uit zijn berichten van het begin van de verdwijning
- IK WEET DAT DE ARUBAANSE BEVOLKING NIET RACISTISCH IS MAAR DE ACTIE VAN EEN STELLETJE DEBIELE IDIOTEN 'AAN DE TOP' ZOU ONS WEL EENS DE DAS OM KUNNEN DOEN
-Dat dit soort zeer negatieve zaken aan de orde komen via CNN is de schuld van de Nederlandse mevrouw Janssen, u weet wel, dat blonde vrouwtje met dat goedkope permanentje. Weinig representatief voor het hoofd van openbare aanklager/JUSTITIE.
- Kortom, het lijkt me beter dat mevrouwtje Janssen zich nergens meer mee bemoeit en het vliegtuig richting Nederland pakt. Misschien is ze meer op haar plaats naast het man-vrouwtje Verdonk. Heb ik het fout mevrouw Janssen, leg me het dan uit, maar ga in elk geval eerst even naar de kapper en laat die ordi-bos op uw hoofdje fatsoeneren.
- EN IK VRAAG ME AF OF ONZE P.G. EN DE FBI IETS WETEN. WEL OF GEEN BLOED GEVONDEN IN DE AUTO VAN DE DRIE JONGENS?! MOEDER VAN HET MEISJE DIE BLOED HEEFT AFGESTAAN. BLOED DAT NAAR AMERIKA IS GESTUURD IN VERBAND MET DNA. WEL OF GEEN SPEURHOND UIT AMERIKA?!
EN ZO ZITTEN WE HIER MET 80 PERSMENSEN VAN HEEL DE WERELD OP ONS EILAND DIE IN WEZEN NIETS TE MELDEN HEBBEN THUIS. DE REPORTER VAN CNN IS DAAROM NAAR SAN NICOLAS GETOGEN
OM HOERTJES TE FILMEN. BEN BANG DAT DIT VOOR DE 'GELOVIGE' AMERIKAANSE TOERIST EEN REDEN KAN ZIJN VAN ARUBA WEG TE BLIJVEN.
- 1 VAN DE SURINAAMSE JONGENS ZOU TEGEN 1 VAN DE ZWARTE BOYS HEBBEN GEZEGD - ZATEN ZE SAMEN IN EEN CEL OF NAAST ELKAAR?- DAT ZE HET MEISJE SAMEN MET DE HOLLANDSE JONGEN BIJ EEN HEEL ANDER HOTEL HADDEN AFGEZET DAN ZE EERDER HADDEN VERKLAARD.
- Langzaam maar zeker begint de narigheid de overhand te nemen. Ik heb zelf heel veel negatieve info gekregen over o.a. Joran v.d.Sloot en familie maar dat is tot nu toe allemaal onderdeel van het 'fluister' nieuws dus schrijf ik daar niet over. In elk geval nu nog niet tot ik het zeker weet.
- Intussen is via e-mail een lastercampagne begonnen tegen Aruba. Daarin wordt de familie Van der Sloot afgeschilderd als een “volledig disfunctionele, moreel bankroete groep beesten.” Joran wordt daarin in verband gebracht met de productie van pornovideo’s, de groepsverkrachting van een veertienjarig meisje en gewelddadig gedrag tegen zijn klasgenoten. Volgens de afzender, ene Dan Ferrill, is de 17 jarige jongen tot in de grond verwend, rijdt met toestemming van zijn ouders auto en is een veelgeziene bezoeker van casino's en nachtclubs, ondanks zijn leeftijd. Ferrill meent ook nog het gerucht te moeten verspreiden dat Van der Sloot senior zijn uiterste best doet het politie onderzoek te verstoren door bewijsstukken te laten verdwijnen. Ferrill geeft bij al zijn beweringen aan dat hij zijn informatie heeft van horen zeggen en dat het geruchten zijn, maar sluit zijn e-mail wel af met een oproep om Aruba te boycotten.
- Hoorde ook dat het meisje Natalee twee dagen voor haar verdwijning 10.000 dollar van haar creditcard heeft opgenomen. Een deel van het geld -hoeveel weet ik niet - is terug gevonden in haar paspoort op haar hotelkamer. Maar......er zijn ook berichten dat het meisje zich ergens verborgen houdt want de relatie met haar moeder Beth blijkt niet optimaal! Ben benieuwd wat de komende week voor nieuws zal brengen.
- Paul van der Sloot blijft in elk geval 48 uur vast zitten, dan wordt beslist of dat met 8 dagen wordt verlengd. Zijn zoon Joran geeft nu toe dat hij die nacht alleen is achter gebleven met het meisje op het strand van Marriot. En dat hij Natalee daar heeft achter gelaten. Als dat waar is hoe is hij toen thuis gekomen zonder auto? Overigens zijn vader, een man die de regels van het recht moet volgen en toepassen vindt het geen enkel probleem dat zijn zoon op 17jarige leeftijd auto rijdt -dus niet verzekerd is want hij heeft geen rijbewijs en nachtenlang mag zitten gokken in casino's waar je ook 18 jaar voor moet zijn. Vader gaat er dus heel arrogant van uit dat als daar problemen van komen hij dat 'wel even regelt'. Ik vind dat die man - ook al heeft hij niets gedaan - van het eiland moet worden gezet.
- Volgens een CNN reporter werkt VADER VAN DER SLOOT niet mee tijdens zijn verhoor.
Moeder van der Sloot, -ik heb veel medelijden met haar als ze hier niets vanaf weet - was NIET op het eiland de nacht dat Natalee verdween. Dus hoeft ze ook niets af te weten van wat haar zoon en man die nacht mogelijk hebben gedaan. Ze is alleen veel met zichzelf bezig als slachtoffer als ze voor de televisie praat en klaagt en klaagt dat haar zoon 'zo hard wordt aangepakt' in de gevangenis.
Maar ze vergeet al te makkelijk waar het om gaat: de verdwijning van een meisje!
- Nederland stuurt 3 F-16 straaljagers naar Aruba om naar Natalee te zoeken.Geen idee wat straaljagers kunnen toevoegen aan de zoektocht. Verschillende banken hebben 20.000 dollar gegeven aan het Amerikaanse zoekgezelschap. Maar ze hebben nog nooit een stuiver gegeven voor een Arubaan die zoek was/is.
- Het blijkt dat nu ook een familielid van Natalee is verhoord maar die brak dat verhoor af omdat de vragen 'onfatsoenlijk' waren. Maar het lijkt me normaal dat je iedereen verhoort die dicht bij het meisje staan. Alleen begrijp ik niet dat dit in het huidige stadium van het onderzoek gebeurt en niet eerder. Zijn de bewijzen tegen Joran dat toch niet zo sterk? Ik begrijp er nog steeds geen zak van allemaal.
- Maar de familie van Natalee doet toch al een beetje vreemd vind ik. Ze wonen overigens geheel gratis -door Aruba betaald - in het hotel en voor de rest hebben ze ook alles vrij. Bij elkaar een man of tien inmiddels. En nu willen ze opeens ook 200.000 dollar hebben voor de speurders die uit Amerika zijn gekomen. Terwijl dat nooit de afspraak was. Ik ben bang dat Aruba iets te 'aardig' is op financieel gebied richting familie en dat kon wel eens nog meer ellende gaan opleveren als Aruba straks -heel terecht overigens- ophoudt met betalen. En vergeef me als ik het zeg, ik mag de stiefvader niet en de moeder begint ook een beetje op mijn zenuwen te werken. Notabene is de zoon van die stiefvader een paar jaar geleden ook op Aruba geweest met een schoolklas om wat te vieren en die heeft bij thuiskomst gezegd dat de meisjes 'behoorlijk uit hun dak gingen' in Carlos en Charlies door teveel drank etc. Dat zou toch voldoende moeten zijn om Natalee extra voor te lichten toen ze naar Aruba ging en zeker NOOIT in een auto met drie vreemde mannen moest stappen ook al had ze Joran die avond daarvoor even in een casino ontmoet.
- Helaas gaan Mamma Holloway en de Stiefvader van Natalee door zich niet geliefd te maken. Zo gaat ze met haar man smiddags naar een restaurant en vraagt daar of ze willen participeren in de kosten van hun aanwezigheid door hen savonds een gratis maaltijd aan te bieden. Ze komen met z'n twee-en vragen en natuurlijk zegt de restauranteigenaar dat het goed is. Maar wat een onaangename verrassing voor het restaurant als ze savonds met......ruim dertig mensen komen. Veel eten, veel drinken, veel plezier. Zo leven ze totaal gratis op ons eiland en zijn niet van plan binnen kort te vertrekken. Onbevestigde berichten spreken inmiddels over een levensverzekering van 8 miljoen voor Natalee. En de familie is s'avonds veel in het casino te vinden.
De heer Van Nie schrijft iig wel met zijn hart op de tong.
[ Bericht 15% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 01:11:17 ]
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Van beneden naar boven lezen dus.
een greep uit zijn berichten van het begin van de verdwijning
- IK WEET DAT DE ARUBAANSE BEVOLKING NIET RACISTISCH IS MAAR DE ACTIE VAN EEN STELLETJE DEBIELE IDIOTEN 'AAN DE TOP' ZOU ONS WEL EENS DE DAS OM KUNNEN DOEN
-Dat dit soort zeer negatieve zaken aan de orde komen via CNN is de schuld van de Nederlandse mevrouw Janssen, u weet wel, dat blonde vrouwtje met dat goedkope permanentje. Weinig representatief voor het hoofd van openbare aanklager/JUSTITIE.
- Kortom, het lijkt me beter dat mevrouwtje Janssen zich nergens meer mee bemoeit en het vliegtuig richting Nederland pakt. Misschien is ze meer op haar plaats naast het man-vrouwtje Verdonk. Heb ik het fout mevrouw Janssen, leg me het dan uit, maar ga in elk geval eerst even naar de kapper en laat die ordi-bos op uw hoofdje fatsoeneren.
- EN IK VRAAG ME AF OF ONZE P.G. EN DE FBI IETS WETEN. WEL OF GEEN BLOED GEVONDEN IN DE AUTO VAN DE DRIE JONGENS?! MOEDER VAN HET MEISJE DIE BLOED HEEFT AFGESTAAN. BLOED DAT NAAR AMERIKA IS GESTUURD IN VERBAND MET DNA. WEL OF GEEN SPEURHOND UIT AMERIKA?!
EN ZO ZITTEN WE HIER MET 80 PERSMENSEN VAN HEEL DE WERELD OP ONS EILAND DIE IN WEZEN NIETS TE MELDEN HEBBEN THUIS. DE REPORTER VAN CNN IS DAAROM NAAR SAN NICOLAS GETOGEN
OM HOERTJES TE FILMEN. BEN BANG DAT DIT VOOR DE 'GELOVIGE' AMERIKAANSE TOERIST EEN REDEN KAN ZIJN VAN ARUBA WEG TE BLIJVEN.
- 1 VAN DE SURINAAMSE JONGENS ZOU TEGEN 1 VAN DE ZWARTE BOYS HEBBEN GEZEGD - ZATEN ZE SAMEN IN EEN CEL OF NAAST ELKAAR?- DAT ZE HET MEISJE SAMEN MET DE HOLLANDSE JONGEN BIJ EEN HEEL ANDER HOTEL HADDEN AFGEZET DAN ZE EERDER HADDEN VERKLAARD.
- Langzaam maar zeker begint de narigheid de overhand te nemen. Ik heb zelf heel veel negatieve info gekregen over o.a. Joran v.d.Sloot en familie maar dat is tot nu toe allemaal onderdeel van het 'fluister' nieuws dus schrijf ik daar niet over. In elk geval nu nog niet tot ik het zeker weet.
- Intussen is via e-mail een lastercampagne begonnen tegen Aruba. Daarin wordt de familie Van der Sloot afgeschilderd als een “volledig disfunctionele, moreel bankroete groep beesten.” Joran wordt daarin in verband gebracht met de productie van pornovideo’s, de groepsverkrachting van een veertienjarig meisje en gewelddadig gedrag tegen zijn klasgenoten. Volgens de afzender, ene Dan Ferrill, is de 17 jarige jongen tot in de grond verwend, rijdt met toestemming van zijn ouders auto en is een veelgeziene bezoeker van casino's en nachtclubs, ondanks zijn leeftijd. Ferrill meent ook nog het gerucht te moeten verspreiden dat Van der Sloot senior zijn uiterste best doet het politie onderzoek te verstoren door bewijsstukken te laten verdwijnen. Ferrill geeft bij al zijn beweringen aan dat hij zijn informatie heeft van horen zeggen en dat het geruchten zijn, maar sluit zijn e-mail wel af met een oproep om Aruba te boycotten.
- Hoorde ook dat het meisje Natalee twee dagen voor haar verdwijning 10.000 dollar van haar creditcard heeft opgenomen. Een deel van het geld -hoeveel weet ik niet - is terug gevonden in haar paspoort op haar hotelkamer. Maar......er zijn ook berichten dat het meisje zich ergens verborgen houdt want de relatie met haar moeder Beth blijkt niet optimaal! Ben benieuwd wat de komende week voor nieuws zal brengen.
- Paul van der Sloot blijft in elk geval 48 uur vast zitten, dan wordt beslist of dat met 8 dagen wordt verlengd. Zijn zoon Joran geeft nu toe dat hij die nacht alleen is achter gebleven met het meisje op het strand van Marriot. En dat hij Natalee daar heeft achter gelaten. Als dat waar is hoe is hij toen thuis gekomen zonder auto? Overigens zijn vader, een man die de regels van het recht moet volgen en toepassen vindt het geen enkel probleem dat zijn zoon op 17jarige leeftijd auto rijdt -dus niet verzekerd is want hij heeft geen rijbewijs en nachtenlang mag zitten gokken in casino's waar je ook 18 jaar voor moet zijn. Vader gaat er dus heel arrogant van uit dat als daar problemen van komen hij dat 'wel even regelt'. Ik vind dat die man - ook al heeft hij niets gedaan - van het eiland moet worden gezet.
- Volgens een CNN reporter werkt VADER VAN DER SLOOT niet mee tijdens zijn verhoor.
Moeder van der Sloot, -ik heb veel medelijden met haar als ze hier niets vanaf weet - was NIET op het eiland de nacht dat Natalee verdween. Dus hoeft ze ook niets af te weten van wat haar zoon en man die nacht mogelijk hebben gedaan. Ze is alleen veel met zichzelf bezig als slachtoffer als ze voor de televisie praat en klaagt en klaagt dat haar zoon 'zo hard wordt aangepakt' in de gevangenis.
Maar ze vergeet al te makkelijk waar het om gaat: de verdwijning van een meisje!
- Nederland stuurt 3 F-16 straaljagers naar Aruba om naar Natalee te zoeken.Geen idee wat straaljagers kunnen toevoegen aan de zoektocht. Verschillende banken hebben 20.000 dollar gegeven aan het Amerikaanse zoekgezelschap. Maar ze hebben nog nooit een stuiver gegeven voor een Arubaan die zoek was/is.
- Het blijkt dat nu ook een familielid van Natalee is verhoord maar die brak dat verhoor af omdat de vragen 'onfatsoenlijk' waren. Maar het lijkt me normaal dat je iedereen verhoort die dicht bij het meisje staan. Alleen begrijp ik niet dat dit in het huidige stadium van het onderzoek gebeurt en niet eerder. Zijn de bewijzen tegen Joran dat toch niet zo sterk? Ik begrijp er nog steeds geen zak van allemaal.
- Maar de familie van Natalee doet toch al een beetje vreemd vind ik. Ze wonen overigens geheel gratis -door Aruba betaald - in het hotel en voor de rest hebben ze ook alles vrij. Bij elkaar een man of tien inmiddels. En nu willen ze opeens ook 200.000 dollar hebben voor de speurders die uit Amerika zijn gekomen. Terwijl dat nooit de afspraak was. Ik ben bang dat Aruba iets te 'aardig' is op financieel gebied richting familie en dat kon wel eens nog meer ellende gaan opleveren als Aruba straks -heel terecht overigens- ophoudt met betalen. En vergeef me als ik het zeg, ik mag de stiefvader niet en de moeder begint ook een beetje op mijn zenuwen te werken. Notabene is de zoon van die stiefvader een paar jaar geleden ook op Aruba geweest met een schoolklas om wat te vieren en die heeft bij thuiskomst gezegd dat de meisjes 'behoorlijk uit hun dak gingen' in Carlos en Charlies door teveel drank etc. Dat zou toch voldoende moeten zijn om Natalee extra voor te lichten toen ze naar Aruba ging en zeker NOOIT in een auto met drie vreemde mannen moest stappen ook al had ze Joran die avond daarvoor even in een casino ontmoet.
- Helaas gaan Mamma Holloway en de Stiefvader van Natalee door zich niet geliefd te maken. Zo gaat ze met haar man smiddags naar een restaurant en vraagt daar of ze willen participeren in de kosten van hun aanwezigheid door hen savonds een gratis maaltijd aan te bieden. Ze komen met z'n twee-en vragen en natuurlijk zegt de restauranteigenaar dat het goed is. Maar wat een onaangename verrassing voor het restaurant als ze savonds met......ruim dertig mensen komen. Veel eten, veel drinken, veel plezier. Zo leven ze totaal gratis op ons eiland en zijn niet van plan binnen kort te vertrekken. Onbevestigde berichten spreken inmiddels over een levensverzekering van 8 miljoen voor Natalee. En de familie is s'avonds veel in het casino te vinden.
De heer Van Nie schrijft iig wel met zijn hart op de tong.
[ Bericht 15% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 01:11:17 ]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
So you actually think that if this cover-up involving the gangrape of Miss Holloway by a couple of teenagers and leading to her death, which is entangeld with the widespread corruption on the Dutch Antilles, will surfice then Balkenende IV'll crash, Wilders'll win the elections, resulting in an Dutch govt lead by Wilders? And then the Dutch Antilles'll be sold on marktplaats and bought by Chavez, on which the US'll intervene?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
.I personally think that neither our govt nor the US govt is interested in this case.
I´m back.
Is ther a website that has 50cm to 20 cm satalite Imagry of aruba?
Google looks to be 1 meter, and maps.live.com doesnt even have the entire island,
Date isnt really a big isue, anything after 2002 would do.
Google looks to be 1 meter, and maps.live.com doesnt even have the entire island,
Date isnt really a big isue, anything after 2002 would do.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
If you'll kill a girl after gangraping her with you're buddies, you'll phone your dad?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 00:30 schreef Donnie29 het volgende:
Er is gewoon veel fout gegaan in het onderzoek, verdachten niet gelijk vastgezet maar eerst tijd gegeven om iets te doen? Verder heel veel nieuws de wereld in gegooid allemaal via officiele bronnen, en dan toch weer ontkend. Zoals dat Joran had opgebiecht en de politie wilde lijden naar het lichaam.. Dat werd een dag erna ook weer terug getrokken. Dan het gelieg van Joran Deepak en Satish.. Al die dingen laten mij wel zien dat er iets niet klopt en dat er mensen zijn die zeker meer weten.. Van wie kreeg Joran hulp? De naam die die mee zou nemen in zn graf.. wie bel je als je 17 bent en je bent in paniek? Je vader zeer waarschijnlijk.. Alleen paniek komt weer niet overeen met wat Joran zelf tegen Patrick zegt. En of hij nou lult of niet, hij is op internet gegaan, heeft gesmst, heeft zn schoenen weggegooid.. Kortom genoeg om AAN te kunnen nemen dat er iets niet echt klopt.
'Hey dad, listen we've just raped this girl, my buddies and me, and we gave her a blow on the head, and now she's dead, can you help us out please?' And Paul answered: 'Oh, sure kiddo, I waste her in the ocean, that's what oceans are for, aren't they?'
Anyway according to observer's theory he didn't had to phone his father, did he hey? The gangraping took place either in the car of Deepak or at joran's den, in the garden of the Van der Sloot estate.
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door Ryan3 op 13-02-2008 01:09:59 ]
I´m back.
i don't necessarily think that is going to happen.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 00:40 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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So you actually think that if this cover-up involving the gangrape of Miss Holloway by a couple of teenagers and leading to her death, which is entangeld with the widespread corruption on the Dutch Antilles, will surfice then Balkenende IV'll crash, Wilders'll win the elections, resulting in an Dutch govt lead by Wilders? And then the Dutch Antilles'll be sold on marktplaats and bought by Chavez, on which the US'll intervene?
I personally think that neither our govt nor the US govt is interested in this case.
i am just saying in that region there are a lot more interests than just joran van der sloot.
it is not the quietest part of the world.
if aruba was lying just of the coast of antarctica it would have been an whole different story.
just yesterday chávez was threatening to cut the oil supply to the usa for example.
i am sure chávez has never heard about joran. but IF all of a sudden a corruption scandal comes to light on aruba, i am sure he will take notice.
maybe i am writing in a way that i think that this is really going to happen.
well, i doubt that is going to happen - because it is in a lot of parties interest that it is NOT going to happen.
governments have always a lot of plans ready in case something is going happen.
like contingency plans in case this happens, and that party does that - and then this etc.
for example, the usa had since 1930 'war plan red' ready to attack canada!
http://www.washingtonpost(...)005122901412_pf.html
top-secret: declassified in the seventies.
i am sure countries, especially in volatile regions have a lot of contingency plans ready for all kind of scenario's.
remember venezuela is part of the 'beyond the axis of evil' group.
the usa is waging a so called 'war on drugs' in colombia.
to quote joran: "Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor"
i am just trying to think how this could turn out.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Caesu op 13-02-2008 01:38:40 ]
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
I haven't given you my full theory yetquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 00:49 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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If you'll kill a girl after gangraping her with you're buddies, you'll phone your dad?
'Hey dad, listen we've just raped this girl, my buddies and me, and we gave her a blow on the head, and now she's dead, can you help us out please?' And Paul answered: 'Oh, sure kiddo, I waste her in the ocean, that's what oceans are for, aren't they?'
Anyway according to observer's theory he didn't had to phone his father, did he hey? The gangraping took place either in the car of Deepak or at joran's den, in the garden of the Van der Sloot estate.
It is backed up from reading most everything ever put out on this case in the last 32 months. How long have you followed this case by the way? You seem like a smart guy ryan,I wish you knew what I know. Even the Dr.Hodges guy is a smart guy but he's basing his assumptions off of just a few video tapes,a few pv's and a couple of emails. He has missed a lot about this case.[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 01:43:27 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Maybe it's for the best that he won't get convicted. Imagine Joran getting convicted by Dutch law after going trough all this. He would proberbly only get a few years, considering that it's proberbly second degree murder at best, all the negative attention that he got and his age at that time.
Imagine him getting three years minus 1/3th of the punishment (the obligatory conditional part) minus the time he already spend in detention. Natalee's mother would die on the inside if he'll go to jail for murder for only one year. Especially if they are expecting punishment to American standards such as a life sentence or death row.
It would also make Aruba look even more retarded.
Imagine him getting three years minus 1/3th of the punishment (the obligatory conditional part) minus the time he already spend in detention. Natalee's mother would die on the inside if he'll go to jail for murder for only one year.
Especially if they are expecting punishment to American standards such as a life sentence or death row.It would also make Aruba look even more retarded.
Dan hoopt gij vurige kolen op zijn hoofd.
I think the parents just want the truth and to lay there daughter to rest back home. They would love to see justice after the hell they have been through but I believe they think they will not get it. I can't imagine those people who were responsible ever getting what they truly deserve.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:31 schreef Gabry het volgende:
Maybe it's for the best that he won't get convicted. Imagine Joran getting convicted by Dutch law after going trough all this. He would proberbly only get a few years, considering that it's proberbly second degree murder at best, all the negative attention that he got and his age at that time.
Imagine him getting three years minus 1/3th of the punishment (the obligatory conditional part) minus the time he already spend in detention. Natalee's mother would die on the inside if he'll go to jail for murder for only one year.
It would also make Aruba look even more retarded.
Natalee Holloway~"I Will Remember You"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inn0A0m8hfM&watch_response
Natalee Holloway - Have You Seen Her
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5T9oUoQBbk
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I haven't found anything yet. I was looking for satellite images of Aruba from 2005, since Google Earth has them from 2008 already. The only thing i found sofar are the low-res versions at Digital Globe, but you'd have to order the high-res ones and they won't be cheap, i reckon... I also paged through hundreds of photo's found via Google, and visited various web-sites, but nothing usable has come up so far. Post a message if you can do better...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 00:46 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Is ther a website that has 50cm to 20 cm satalite Imagry of aruba?
Google looks to be 1 meter, and maps.live.com doesnt even have the entire island,
Date isnt really a big isue, anything after 2002 would do.
[snip]quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 00:31 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Die site van Rene van Nie (die de vader is van Nada van Nie overigens), die Observer in een vorig topic heeft gegeven, is toch wel grappig om te lezen. Vanaf 2005 beschrijft hij als local zo'n beetje wat er allemaal gaande is in de Holloway zaak.
Is inderdaad heel gaaf! Had de vorige keer niet goed gekeken...
Dank hiervoor!
Article in the dutch newspaper AD and translated on another board by IC:
Drugexperts weighing Jorans words.
Aruba - Drugexpersts are investigating the reliability of the statements of Joran van der Sloot on Aruba.
The experts have been asked to do so by the DA.
Joran stated last friday during a hearing that his "confessions" concerning the disapearance of Natalee Holloway in the tv program of Peter R. de Vries were made up under the influence of marihuana.
According to Dop Kruimel, pressofficer on Aruba, first findings of the experts and users don't indicate someone makes stories up when he has used drugs. "With that the story of Joran is important supportive evidence in our further investigation. We are also waiting for reports of experts about the way Natalee Holloway died according to Joran".
The DA on Aruba has put 25 investigators on the Holloway case after the Peter R. de Vries broadcast. Before the broadcast there were only four.
According to Kruimel the DA has received many tips through mail and email. Kruimel: "We surely think it's possible to solve the case".
The past week the investigators started to work with the indications Joran himself gave and with the many tips that have come in.
Kruimel doesn't want to say what's been worked at.
Kruimel denies the vision of attorney Spong that the undercover footage is illegal and thus can't be used in a courtcase.
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2047709.ece
Drugexperts weighing Jorans words.
Aruba - Drugexpersts are investigating the reliability of the statements of Joran van der Sloot on Aruba.
The experts have been asked to do so by the DA.
Joran stated last friday during a hearing that his "confessions" concerning the disapearance of Natalee Holloway in the tv program of Peter R. de Vries were made up under the influence of marihuana.
According to Dop Kruimel, pressofficer on Aruba, first findings of the experts and users don't indicate someone makes stories up when he has used drugs. "With that the story of Joran is important supportive evidence in our further investigation. We are also waiting for reports of experts about the way Natalee Holloway died according to Joran".
The DA on Aruba has put 25 investigators on the Holloway case after the Peter R. de Vries broadcast. Before the broadcast there were only four.
According to Kruimel the DA has received many tips through mail and email. Kruimel: "We surely think it's possible to solve the case".
The past week the investigators started to work with the indications Joran himself gave and with the many tips that have come in.
Kruimel doesn't want to say what's been worked at.
Kruimel denies the vision of attorney Spong that the undercover footage is illegal and thus can't be used in a courtcase.
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2047709.ece
@Observer
Body in tarp
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/aruba/TGRFIO1T4LBUJRFU2
Bone
I don't know how big that paper is but it surely looks like a peilican bone.
Body in tarp
I found this regarding the tarpquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 07:53 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Tarp seen in picture on NE part of the island..Is this insignificant or something to do with the case?This was the area by the Natural Bridge. PVDS was spotted near here by searchers early in the morning after they found the belt.
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/aruba/TGRFIO1T4LBUJRFU2
quote:Concerned wrote:
I was in Aruba this passed Easter, I never saw the image until I returned home and down loaded my camera.I was standing on a clif taking a picture of a hugh crab,looking at the crab only so I wouldn't fall over the egde. When I down loaded the picture about 25 feet away seems to be a body wrapped in a blue blanket, at one end seems to be duct tape. At the opened end what appears to be a head nestled in the rocks, with the top of the head stright down, chin up with hyperextended neck. This image is so upsetting not only to me but to family and friends who have also seen it. We have tried to reach any authority that will at least look at the image, but only get the run around. It seems that either they think I'm some kind of nut, or really don't want to bother.I am not saying that this is Natalee, nor have I ever said it is , or could be her, just view the image and go find out who or what it it. Well nobody wants to listen so I imagine that's the way this whole case goes also.Any leads that they may get, never get investigated. Thanks for listening as I suppose that by now whatever, or whoever is in the image has been taken back out to sea. Whatever, but so very sad. I can send the image to whoever wants to see it Thanks again for listening
So what was it?quote:Concerned wrote:
Will send to all, there is a lot of moving the image left and right to center. So zoom in to the left it looks like duct tape that is comming apart, appears that the body? is down slope with head almost up side down top of head resting in rock, chin up hyper extented neck. Remember that the body?? is wrapped in the blue thing! I have to leave for work,but will get the image out as soon as I return. Also Americas Most Wanted asked for the image that went out last night, I'll let you know what happens
Bone
I compared the bone with a pelican bone:quote:Op zondag 10 februari 2008 07:53 schreef observer777 het volgende:
One of the bones found in 2005 that we never heard anything about. We were told this was a monkey bone or a prop. This was found in the closest part of the Venezuelan coast to Aruba.
I don't know how big that paper is but it surely looks like a peilican bone.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
YWquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:57 schreef kabouterjong het volgende:
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[snip]
Is inderdaad heel gaaf! Had de vorige keer niet goed gekeken...
Echt, die man schrijft best grappig en ook gewoon wat hij denkt
en daarbij ontziet hij geen van de partijen 
Iedereen wordt aangepakt
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
this is from 2005, overflights
http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP
But not the entire island en some angels need to be changed.
http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP
But not the entire island en some angels need to be changed.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Older US article but nevertheless important info on the AD article:
"A lot of people on tv are afraid to say it, but I'm not: I think there's more to it, " says Dave Holloway.
He suspects van der Sloot slipped Natalee drugs - a common practice in Aruba's night clubs. Holloway says a detective warned him about it the first day he arrived in Aruba.
"He repeatedly told us, and I'll never forget: He says watch your drink around here because drugs are prevalent and somebody may slip something into it," says Holloway.
One of the more common drugs in Aruba: GHB, also known as the Date Rape Drug in America, but in Aruba it's commonly used as a party drug, one you can even order at some bars.
"You can buy a drink and pay a bartender $25, and he'll put it in it, " says Holloway.
In his confession, van der Sloot described Natalee's condition on the beach that night: trembling, that turned into shaking and then nothing...an unconscious state van der Sloot says he couldn't wake Natalee from... symptoms Samford University's Dr. Pam Sims says could describe someone who's been given GHB.
"Generally when they pass out, it looks like a coma. They are not arousable. That is generally caused because they're blood pressure drops so low, " says Dr. Pam Sims, Pharmacy Chair at Samford University.
In his confession, van der Sloot says he checked to see if Natalee was dead before deciding to drop her in the ocean, but Dr. Sims warns that's a call van der Sloot wasn't qualified to make.
"Lay people may not be able to detect pulses that are very faint or breathing that's very shallow or irregular," says Dr. Sims.
If van der Sloot's confession is true - Natalee may have been alive when she was thrown into the ocean.
"He claims he shook her and she didn't arouse- that doesn't mean she's dead, " says Dr. Sims.
http://www.nbc13.com/gulf(...)2008-02-07-0007.html
"A lot of people on tv are afraid to say it, but I'm not: I think there's more to it, " says Dave Holloway.
He suspects van der Sloot slipped Natalee drugs - a common practice in Aruba's night clubs. Holloway says a detective warned him about it the first day he arrived in Aruba.
"He repeatedly told us, and I'll never forget: He says watch your drink around here because drugs are prevalent and somebody may slip something into it," says Holloway.
One of the more common drugs in Aruba: GHB, also known as the Date Rape Drug in America, but in Aruba it's commonly used as a party drug, one you can even order at some bars.
"You can buy a drink and pay a bartender $25, and he'll put it in it, " says Holloway.
In his confession, van der Sloot described Natalee's condition on the beach that night: trembling, that turned into shaking and then nothing...an unconscious state van der Sloot says he couldn't wake Natalee from... symptoms Samford University's Dr. Pam Sims says could describe someone who's been given GHB.
"Generally when they pass out, it looks like a coma. They are not arousable. That is generally caused because they're blood pressure drops so low, " says Dr. Pam Sims, Pharmacy Chair at Samford University.
In his confession, van der Sloot says he checked to see if Natalee was dead before deciding to drop her in the ocean, but Dr. Sims warns that's a call van der Sloot wasn't qualified to make.
"Lay people may not be able to detect pulses that are very faint or breathing that's very shallow or irregular," says Dr. Sims.
If van der Sloot's confession is true - Natalee may have been alive when she was thrown into the ocean.
"He claims he shook her and she didn't arouse- that doesn't mean she's dead, " says Dr. Sims.
http://www.nbc13.com/gulf(...)2008-02-07-0007.html
Enhanced the picture and rotated it for better angel of the bag.
http://rapidshare.com/files/91346786/arubasbody.jpg.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/91346786/arubasbody.jpg.html
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I do believe that they are mainly interested in the truth so they can finally let all this rest. But Joran actually getting convicted and getting a low punishment would be another setback for them. They would be denied justice even after finding out the truth. But then again, it would atleast give the parents some more certainty.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I think the parents just want the truth and to lay there daughter to rest back home. They would love to see justice after the hell they have been through but I believe they think they will not get it. I can't imagine those people who were responsible ever getting what they truly deserve.
But Joran's confession might've helped them a bit with getting the general idea of what happened that night. His confession sounded quite genuine to me. He wouldn't have told Patrick that if he wouldn't have anything to do with it. So it is pretty certain that he was with her when she died and that she got disposed of in the ocean. Otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned himself being involved in that.
But even when talking to your closest friends people tend to hide important details that might make them look bad. The story was pretty one sided so it would be unlikely that he didn't lie or exaggerated about what happened beforehand, her actual condition and about who actually disposed of the her body. Joran isn't an idiot and he knows that he can't be convicted if they can't even fully determine which crime he would have comitted. So I wouldn't be suprised if the ending of his confession was meant to spread more doubts and raise some more questions.
Dan hoopt gij vurige kolen op zijn hoofd.
if they give him TBS he won't ever get out.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:31 schreef Gabry het volgende:
Maybe it's for the best that he won't get convicted. Imagine Joran getting convicted by Dutch law after going trough all this. He would proberbly only get a few years, considering that it's proberbly second degree murder at best, all the negative attention that he got and his age at that time.
Imagine him getting three years minus 1/3th of the punishment (the obligatory conditional part) minus the time he already spend in detention. Natalee's mother would die on the inside if he'll go to jail for murder for only one year.
It would also make Aruba look even more retarded.
psychiatrist will examine him each year, the media will play those tapes and be outraged again and they won't set him free to roam around and cause havoc.
joran his learned a lot from the last few years. he knows wich errors he made.
so if the 'new and improved joran' gets out he will know how to murder and rape perfectly.
i think TBS is the key. let international psychiatrists spend some time with him and observe him.
fyi: watch bram bakker's opinion about joran:
http://www.hetgesprek.nl/archief/673/ (in dutch)
interesting thing is that such personality disorders are often genetic. who would have thought...
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Thx, but i was looking for the area of the v/d Sloot place, there is a building construction site there now but i wanted to know how this was back in 2005. Would be a good place to burry a body...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:15 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
this is from 2005, overflights
http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP
But not the entire island en some angels need to be changed.
@Observer
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
What's a hoov? The pic I showed is a pelican bonequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:37 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
I hope you don't feel "attacked" again by my post because I do feel an undertone here... I really just wanted to know if you knew (or SM for that matter) what was in that tarp? But hey, you don't know. Anyway, thanks for answering my question
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Jeeez come on Observer, I am just like you said you are: sceptical and I cannot agree with all your findings but some of them are interesting. Pffff.... I wrote that down,.... I guess 4 times now?FYI, I also would like to see this case solved. Wel;, in that we agree right? However, if you think I clearly have another agenda, well dear,.... whatever rocks your worldquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:52 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Nope, definitely not. Why do you ask?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Close to Rohypnol :quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
In Dutchquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
GHB = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-hydroxybutaanzuur
Valium = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam
Rohypnol = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Don't be daft.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:05 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Close to Rohypnol :
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
Thanksquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
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These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
a pelican feet has 4 fingers, so I see...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Well, they differ quite a bit. With Valium being the least powerful and Rohypnoll being the most effective rape drug of the three as it can cause short term memory loss. GHB tends to be liquid instead of in pill form, so it's easier to get an overdose from GHB then from Rohypnol. They can all be pretty lethal and/or cause seizures in combination with alcohol.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
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Dan hoopt gij vurige kolen op zijn hoofd.
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
I think this has the makings of an 'unsolved crime'. There are a lot of these crimes. As there are a lot of suspisious disappearances. Sometimes they are solved, sometimes they're not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:22 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i don't necessarily think that is going to happen.
i am just saying in that region there are a lot more interests than just joran van der sloot.
it is not the quietest part of the world.
if aruba was lying just of the coast of antarctica it would have been an whole different story.
just yesterday chávez was threatening to cut the oil supply to the usa for example.
i am sure chávez has never heard about joran. but IF all of a sudden a corruption scandal comes to light on aruba, i am sure he will take notice.
maybe i am writing in a way that i think that this is really going to happen.
well, i doubt that is going to happen - because it is in a lot of parties interest that it is NOT going to happen.
governments have always a lot of plans ready in case something is going happen.
like contingency plans in case this happens, and that party does that - and then this etc.
for example, the usa had since 1930 'war plan red' ready to attack canada!
http://www.washingtonpost(...)005122901412_pf.html
top-secret: declassified in the seventies.
i am sure countries, especially in volatile regions have a lot of contingency plans ready for all kind of scenario's.
remember venezuela is part of the 'beyond the axis of evil' group.
the usa is waging a so called 'war on drugs' in colombia.
to quote joran: "Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor"
i am just trying to think how this could turn out.
I´m back.
Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:39 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Sorry, I said this too direct, 'more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...' means I read stories about girls that had the same experience on ...please 'aruba' or a cruiseship or so...or...
Yeah, sure everything that isn't Western to the bone is a 'roversnest' or are potential terrorists for all Geertje cares, I know, but what I'm interested in is whether Wilders made the same connection Ceasu made. That when push comes to shovel in this case, Balkenende IV'll fall and he'll be the next prime ministre of Holland.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:26 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ryan3:LOL..he should..roversnest
I´m back.
Hi,What would you like me to ask them? What stae of mind? You mean under a date rape drug? They won't be familiar with that other Dutch case.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:11 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...
We had a guy here in the states called Andrew Luster that was a heir to a large cosmetic company. He drugged and filmed many women using GHB and eventually he got caught and fled to Mexico. He will serve the rest of his days in Prison. He never killed anyone but had plenty of video tapes and evidence to put him away for life.
http://www.crimelibrary.c(...)andrew_luster/2.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
well, ther aresome reports:
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Ryan3: I'm confident they will play this game...but..did you read the report about aruba,,
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:17 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Is there btw any statement of Geert Wilders known on this subject?
clickquote:Pinguïnpak
vrijdag 08 februari 2008
Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt. Weer een schoolvoorbeeld van de enorme kloof tussen de burgers en de Haagse politiek
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quote:Dit artikel stond vandaag in de Diario en leek me belangrijk om te lezen.
We weten dat het onderzoek vanaf dag 1 een teringzooi was. En we weten ook dat het nu te laat is om nog wat nieuws te vinden. Ondertussen telde ik 14 cameraploegen en komt mamma Twitty en haar ex vandaag ook naar Aruba. De hemel beware ons want die dame is niet te vertrouwen!
Kortom, we zitten weer diep in de ellende. Zoals te verwachten was. Daarom stel ik voor - als het nieuwe bewijs flinterdun of 'opgewarmde prak' is zoals de advokaten het noemen en uiteindelijk tot niets zal leiden, het hele O.M. en zeker de macamba's onder hen - per omgaande te ontslaan, inclusief de rechter die over het vasthouden van de jongens heeft beslist. Want dan hebben ze Aruba weer een bijna onherstelbare schade toegebracht.
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Presistence bit was good!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
[ afbeelding ]
Renfro at the end was nasty...
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Ryan here is part of what is in the Archives,There is still a interview that I can't find at the moment with one of the girls Fathers who says what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar to what he read happened to Natalee. She was drugged and assaulted by Joran and also 2 of her classmates.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
<snipped>
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
<snipped>
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
[ afbeelding ]
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Excuse me? I'm on this board since 1999 wtf are you to tell me to go to another board. Maybe you are the troll here providing us with your SM crock of bullshit, assumptios, blablabla but no facts! Stick that in your.... whatever! And you are right, you are nothing like me not at the least....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
BTW My last post is a from the newspaper The Dario (your friend Jossy Mansur remember? written by your friend Art Wood?) I didn't typed it myself.... fool! [insert]middlefinger[/insert]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?quote:Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:09 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Lach, gier, brul, ik doe het nu ook
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Hello MM..They are concentrating on one area off the NW tip,as you know there is so much more ocean around Aruba. But they did say they can locate anything bigger than a baseball,that is if she was put in something like a cage or a barrel.. As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:41 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Een reaktie op SM:
Now I'm realy scared...quote:Saoirse on February 12th, 2008 1:47 am
Netherlands - Is not what happened to Natalee a violation of Article 3(prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment) of the European COnvention on Human Rights?
Like what you did to Eduardo Matthew?
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. He is DirtyHand.
Write letters to Dutch Embassy in the U.S.
Write letters to the Queen Bea.
Make reservations to Aruba and do not cancel them. That will tie up rooms. Do not travel there, just book the reservations.
Write the 5 major airlines that travel there.
Petition to have Aruba & Netherlands listed as dangers to women by U. S State Department.
Boycott products made/owned by the Netherlands.
I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter
Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream
Phillips Light products
Lumileds LEDs
Royal Dutch Airlines
Heineken
Amstel
Groslch
IKEA
Unilever
Tom Tom PGS
Norellco
Royalties from every DVD you purchase
Fudgsicle
Hellman’s mayonaise
Imperial Margarine
Karo Syrups
Lipton Tea
Popsicle
Ragu
Skippy peanut butter
SLim Fast
Wish Bone Salad Dressing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_companies
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. DirtyHand walks in all circles.
Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:21 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
The Aruban people...quote:The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
No!!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
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Now I'm realy scared...
No Skippy Peanut Butter!! 
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thanks MM! I didn't realize it was impossible! The reason I ask is because PVDS was spotted there one day early in the case on the road from the Alto Vista church early in the morning before search teams arrived. It was a weird situation as it was a day after they found that belt and he made eye contact with one of the lead searchers as they drove by each other. Also some speculate about the shallow grave found and possibly Natalee's top that they said was fish net was also on that North Eastern part of the island.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:28 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
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The Aruban people...
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
Remember I have spoken to Aruban people and I like them,it is the perps,the people that covered up and the Aruban Govt that I despise. Sounds like the majority of the Aruban people are starting to feel the same way. I know in the past the ones I spoke to felt that way but were scared,didn't want to get involved and felt there was nothing they could do about it.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
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Now I'm realy scared...
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:48 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
ik ben weg want ik verveel me met het aapje. Slaapze/werkze lui
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me without direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your very wrong about that. Our news reporters here in the states are terrible when they report about this case. Not one of them knows what they are talking about and they present wrong info because of that. Often they have breaking news about things that we knew at SM long before them,in some cases we knew it years before. I read,listen and observe everything written and talked about before I make a decision what I believe in. Often its from many many different credible sources,people that were there and saw it,investigated it in Aruba or the words right from the very same people in this case. So much happened in this case that never was reported in the Media/American TV,it took years of research and fact finding to find what was credible and what was not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:00 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me with direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:40 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
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all of these are MEDIA reports. then please give me the raw info, i can provide mail adres where you can send it.
Encrypted if you want
[ Bericht 25% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 07:27:05 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:16 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....
all of these are MEDIA reports.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You remind me of the guy that wanted a official source on PVDS'S supreme court decision,I translated it and gave him the link. He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
you could have sended the data....if it wasnt a media report.....you just lost at your own game.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
Good luck. And just like you i hope Natalee Holoway case will be solved on day. and the people who are responsible will go to jail.
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Read this:
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:32 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
Shall we start counting how many credible people have said Joran had sexually assaulted and drugged others before Natalee? Shall we see how many different sources we can find before the nay sayers and spinners will agree that maybe it is true? Obviously some aren't here to learn the truth and after one thing is proven they move on to something else to attack.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
"He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!"
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
Wat is hier aaan de handquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
Een verstandig mens doet wat ik ook al een tijdje deed en nu weer verder ga doen : de vooringenomen figuren negeren. Laat ze maar lekker onder elkaar verder gaan, met bij elkaar geraapte onzin kletsen !!!!
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
that was uncalled for.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:04 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
deedeetee:
Sorry...ff doorbijtten...klein beetje en klaar!
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verderquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaanquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:20 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik ben al aan het sjoekenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
heren.....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Heren rustig...laten we dit ook op fok.nl netjes oplossen
daar ga je bij mij al de fout in
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ik wil zijn mening over verschillende zaken horen hier.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:23 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?
dus jaag hem niet weg.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article9234541.ecequote:Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
door de redactie
di 30 mrt 2004, 10:30
Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
AMSTERDAM - De Roermondse officier van justitie Karin Janssen is in opspraak geraakt vanwege het illegaal bouwen van een woning. De Limburgse aanklager heeft in het agrarische buitengebied Sint Odiliënberg
De illegale bouw ligt gevoelig omdat Janssen in Limburg tot voor kort was belast met alle grote fraudezaken. Begin dit jaar is zij voor drie jaar is benoemd tot hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba. De gemeente Ambt Montfort, waartoe Sint Odiliënberg behoort, is inmiddels gestart met een onderzoek naar de illegale bouwpraktijken. De fraudeofficier die over drie jaar weer terugkeert naar het arrondissementsparket Roermond, blijkt tegen alle regels van het bestemmingsplan in, te hebben gehandeld. De schuur werd tot voor kort gebruikt als paardenstal.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)d_.html?pageOffset=4quote:De Vries meldde ook dat de Arubaanse advocaat van Joran, A. Carlo, op zijn eigen initiatief een vertrouwelijk gesprek met hoofdofficier van justitie Karin Janssen heeft gevoerd. De raadsman deed dat, omdat hij zijn geweten wilde ontlasten. Carlo vertelde Janssen in het geheime onderhoud dat Joran een voorname rol bij de verdwijning van Natalee heeft gehad. Het was aan justitie om bewijs hierover te vergaren.
Janssen bevestigt het geheime gesprek, maar ging niet op de inhoud in. Ook Carlo wilde in de uitzending niet zeggen waarover hij met de hoofdaanklager op Aruba heeft gesproken.
those articles don't proof anything but it shows to me that dutch officials who are fraudulent or incompetent get often sent to Aruba.
like dutch scum builds up over there (afvoerputje).
i don't know enough about the entire case.
but from what i've seen of it am getting the feeling that it stinks quite a lot.
add to that the whole Joran / Paul van der Sloot disaster we have seen unfolding in the last four weeks.
and al those lawyers on three continents trying to spin the whole thing.
i am inclined to start thinking about corruption and cover-up.
like Joran, the stoned punk with a poker addiction is just a supporting card in a house of cards.
i don't think that's too far fetched at all.
but feel free have blind believe in justice on Aruba if that makes you feel better.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Still don't know what role he plays if any. Personally my opinion is he is Daury and was the one Joran described in the secret video. He said to Patrick "I prefer not to tell names,Because he has always had my back""Look,this friend is quite clever and he's a bit older,We have been friends since **kids**"quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 08:41 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....
"I've never told anyone about this man.Its not easy""I'll never tell his name,I will take it to my grave"
"I'd give my life to help him" "I have stuff on him too" Of course he was also talking about his father when he mentioned he had to go to school and do normal things.MO..It is also possible he was talking about Koen G.
Many people in Aruba talk about him when they mention this case and one of the first names talked about. We were told from Jossy Mansur that it is more than rumor he is the half brother of Joran,they were very close and seen together quite often. Joran caught the bus near LVR"S house the day after NH went missing or the day after that. Many Arubans spoke about him in the beginning and said he was involved before the mis-information campaign started. Much rumor/speculation and mystery about this character but much of what was said about him turned out to be true from june 2005,the rest is still to be determined. His father was found hung in 2001 who owned a VW dealership and export business in Aruba. Lorenzo inherited money and is known to be crazy,borders on edge of insanity and likes to party,has a disco at his house and throws many after hour rave party's. It was rumored Natalee's clothes were found in his basement. It was reported his boat was searched and his mothers house but no forensics were done nor did they search his house at Jaraweg. He lives by himself in a big house,surrounded by barbwire,camera's and guard dogs. In 2005 a PI went to talk to him and he had armed Colombian guards guarding his property. He was questioned at least twice in this case but it was reported that the night Natalee went missing he was having a small party and one of the people provided a alibi for him. Many think he is the 5th suspect talked about in the riddles of Shango.
He was arrested in june 2007 with over 100 pot plants but he never went to trial or was convicted. We found out he met privately with a Dutch Judge and never will go to trial,and that Paul VR was not his natural father(same source). A Aruban reporter who often gives bad info said the OM made mistakes and because of that he would never go to trial.
Early post on Lorenzo mostly from Arubans(Also Pics)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
clubarias.com (Was his mothers house that was searched in this case)
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
my solution to this whole trainwreck is to have the Dutch OM issue a warrant to search the Aruban OM.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
upper right corner,
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joranquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:49 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joran
heeft iemand hier een datum van??
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:44 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
je bent goehoed!Ik weet niet of de laatste die avond was, ik heb hem wel eerder gezien die foto, inderdaad op zijn flickr site
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forumquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and combining research,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
The pic fits his statement for May 30.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:55 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htmquote:To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Sorry but Joran is is source i dont trust AT ALLquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Dutch experts say Dr. Phil tape in case of teen missing in Aruba ‘manipulated"
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
pwnedquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777
I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
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I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
There are pics of Joran in the Casino wearing white shoes, so maybe he changed them when they took a short stop at his house?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
btw ff off-topic jij zat vroeger toch ook veel in FMT?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth,wreak havoc and derail every topic.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them with what I know,it takes alot more than this to stop me from educating people what really happened in Aruba and what they did to Natalee and her Family.. I will not respond to another post of theres.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
dear Observer777,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:36 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth and wreak havoc.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them. I will not respond to another post of theirs.
then please give me all the factual information you have collected over the last couple of years. I can understand that it frustrating to have to defend what you believe is the truth. And i'll join your point of view if you give me facts, that are verifiable for you and me.
sources like FOX news or CNN are not verifiable for me, i dont have acces to that information.
if you have please share it with me, PM or i'll give you a mail adres.
But please dont accuse me of spreading Dis-info, everything i've posted in this topic is verifable for EVERYONE in this topic. I never assaulted you or told you lied. Just that you at some point dont convince me
with the sources you state. I'm not attacking the truth, the truth cannot be attach as it is fact.
but you have to provide that fact before you can claime it as the truth.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik bedoelde ook Atreidezquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:26 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
en FMT =Fok Movie Trivia waar ik een paar jaar geleden verslaafd aan was.;)Ik denk dat je beter niets meer kan zeggen die die overspannen, overemotionele monkey want die is echt niet goed bij haar/zijn hoofd. Die denkt dat hij/zij hier modereert
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Thank you very much for this clarification.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:51 schreef Caesu het volgende:
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
he/she loses all credibility.... but hey... there is so many information about this case on the net, different opinions to verify what is true or not.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i do understand his frustration.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Thank you very much for this clarification.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
I told that several times to Observer that I understand the frustration, but it seems that my written English is not clear enough or her/his eyes need glasses or he/she just don't want to understand. Reading is difficult for some peoplequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
And it's exactly what you say, the dutchies can't pickup this information that fast, with links and transcripts and vague stories about pics and so few actual FACTS. For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently and BAM she/he is not responding the his posts anymore, talking about credibility..... snapje wat ik bedoel?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Absolutely, there effort in this case is amezing, and I absoluutly understand observer777's frustration with my questions and staments, However i hope he will be back and will still talk to me. else mabye tommorow with PrdV on SM, he will be able to share the info with him. But im pretty sure he would like to have facts, and would dismiss media reports. Because he (PrdV) knows very well the worth of the reports without having the facts to back it up. And he will probably not use other media sources in his contining quest for the truth about natalee. (So far he didnt use them, to my knowledge)quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 12:01:30 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:19 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:34 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Oh well... sounds factual to mequote:Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
But hey, we are blabbing here about a discussion which is no discussion at all...
Let see the facts
Let see the facts
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheidquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:14 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verder
: ik heb niks tegen MADMaster hoor. Die zit idd dáár en wij niet. Ik bedoelde dat ik die Observer van het begin af aan al een zeer merkwaardig figuur vond. Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.
zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Ik begreep je wel hoorquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:57 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheid
Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.
zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken
Maar ga jij kijken naar het bot
dan ga ik weer werken, duty calls!
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ik begreep het even niet iddquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:57 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheid
Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.
zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken
maar goed ik denk dat het bewijzen verzamelen helemaal niet zo interessant (meer) is eigenlijk.
dat kunnen we toch niet op een forum voor elkaar krijgen zonder dat we de middelen hebben die justitie heeft. zou een rare boel worden.
wat ìk interessanter vind is nadenken over wat hier allemaal achter zit.
ik bedoel die internationale hype draait echt niet alleen om een kereltje dat de halve dag stoned online zit te pokeren op de zolderkamer van z'n oma en de rest van de dag in een range rover opschept over hoe hij een meisje halfdood in de oceaan heeft laten dumpen.
er zijn advocatenbureau's in amerika, aruba en nederland die hem verdedigen.
die zich in de krankzinnigste bochten wringen om er nog een draai aan geven.
het is wel bekend dat economische zaken op aruba belangrijker is dan justitie.
dan gaat er vroeg of laat natuurlijk eens iets fout. in mei/juni 2005 was dat het geval.
toen was er een cover-up nodig.
maar sindsdien is zelfs die cover-up belangrijker geworden dan economische zaken.
aruba is in de rode cijfers terecht gekomen. dan is er dus nog meer aan de hand.
en dan ga ik de wildste scenario's bedenken hoe dit door beide regeringen gespind gaat worden.
kan dit tot de uitkomsten behoren of breng ik iemand zo op een idee?
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #5
ik zou het niet zo erg vinden want dat roversnest heeft meer dan genoeg ellende veroorzaakt.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
All and all good questions...hope Observer777 and others have a view about it and we all should think about the info we have and the side-info etc.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 12:42 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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ik begreep het even niet idd
maar goed ik denk dat het bewijzen verzamelen helemaal niet zo interessant (meer) is eigenlijk.
dat kunnen we toch niet op een forum voor elkaar krijgen zonder dat we de middelen hebben die justitie heeft. zou een rare boel worden.
wat ìk interessanter vind is nadenken over wat hier allemaal achter zit.
ik bedoel die internationale hype draait echt niet alleen om een kereltje dat de halve dag stoned online zit te pokeren op de zolderkamer van z'n oma en de rest van de dag in een range rover opschept over hoe hij een meisje halfdood in de oceaan heeft laten dumpen.
er zijn advocatenbureau's in amerika, aruba en nederland die hem verdedigen.
die zich in de krankzinnigste bochten wringen om er nog een draai aan geven.
het is wel bekend dat economische zaken op aruba belangrijker is dan justitie.
dan gaat er vroeg of laat natuurlijk eens iets fout. in mei/juni 2005 was dat het geval.
toen was er een cover-up nodig.
maar sindsdien is zelfs die cover-up belangrijker geworden dan economische zaken.
aruba is in de rode cijfers terecht gekomen. dan is er dus nog meer aan de hand.
en dan ga ik de wildste scenario's bedenken hoe dit door beide regeringen gespind gaat worden.
kan dit tot de uitkomsten behoren of breng ik iemand zo op een idee?
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #5
ik zou het niet zo erg vinden want dat roversnest heeft meer dan genoeg ellende veroorzaakt.
Life is though, but to have a life this way, even people at aruba who have a hearth should come forward now or at a later time...if only one element was of the hook, economics, I think the case could be solved.
The pride thing is another angle although I think on Aruba that's a mediocre thing as much as dutch press is trying us to believe it is.
Let's wait for Hans Mos his decision and in the mean time dig up more and more untold/solved questions!
wat is jouw visie op deze zaak deedeetee ?
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
mijn visie kan je hier lezen Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Foto van pa is me niet duidelijk genoeg, kan best iemand anders zijn, maar vertrouwen doe ik hem niet. Hij zal er wrs meer over weten dan hij verteld.
Joran liegt er zo graag op los dat je daar niks aan hebt.
Het enige duidelijke feit in de hele affaire is dat Nathalee verdwenen is.
Ik heb me wel afgevraagd hoe druk het op het strand is daar. Zou er werkelijk niemand zijn geweest die wat gezien had als Joran en Nathalee daar echt waren ? Was het niet riskant om daar een meisje te grazen te nemen ?
Als Joran iets écht onbehoorlijks van plan was lijkt het me logischer dat hij een rustiger/veilger plekje had opgezocht.
In een ander topic stonden ( dacht ik ) posters waarin de moeder van haar de eerste dagen Nathalee opriep om haar te bellen. Waar was dat goed voor ? Dacht ze toen dat het meisje zich opzettelijk verborgen hield en zo ja waarom dacht ze dat ? Of deed ze dat in opdracht/voorstel van b.v. de politie ?
Hoe is het verhaal dat Nathalee mss de benen nam voor haar ma en/of stiefvader in de wereld gekomen ?
Ik ben niet 100 % overtuigd dat ze dood is gegaan die nacht.
Ik vind wel Joran een akelig/eng mannetje maar hij is niet dom. Het verhaal op te hoesten tegen iemand die hij nog maar pas kende en waarvan hij dacht dat het een crimineel was, dat is dóm !
Het past niet zo best bij zijn houding en strategie in de jaren daarvoor...... Ik ben ook benieuwd wat er op de rest van de tapes is te horen. We hebben maar een deel van de gesprekken gehoord tenslotte.
Ik vind het wel echt iets Amerikaans om het hele eiland te willen boycotten, alsof er in Amerika nooit iets verkeerds gebeurt en er nooit meisjes verdwijnen En wat corruptie betreft : dat kunnen ze daar ook hoor. Overal en in elk land waar politici en juristen zijn vind je corruptie.
Joran liegt er zo graag op los dat je daar niks aan hebt.
Het enige duidelijke feit in de hele affaire is dat Nathalee verdwenen is.
Ik heb me wel afgevraagd hoe druk het op het strand is daar. Zou er werkelijk niemand zijn geweest die wat gezien had als Joran en Nathalee daar echt waren ? Was het niet riskant om daar een meisje te grazen te nemen ?
Als Joran iets écht onbehoorlijks van plan was lijkt het me logischer dat hij een rustiger/veilger plekje had opgezocht.
In een ander topic stonden ( dacht ik ) posters waarin de moeder van haar de eerste dagen Nathalee opriep om haar te bellen. Waar was dat goed voor ? Dacht ze toen dat het meisje zich opzettelijk verborgen hield en zo ja waarom dacht ze dat ? Of deed ze dat in opdracht/voorstel van b.v. de politie ?
Hoe is het verhaal dat Nathalee mss de benen nam voor haar ma en/of stiefvader in de wereld gekomen ?
Ik ben niet 100 % overtuigd dat ze dood is gegaan die nacht.
Ik vind wel Joran een akelig/eng mannetje maar hij is niet dom. Het verhaal op te hoesten tegen iemand die hij nog maar pas kende en waarvan hij dacht dat het een crimineel was, dat is dóm !
Het past niet zo best bij zijn houding en strategie in de jaren daarvoor...... Ik ben ook benieuwd wat er op de rest van de tapes is te horen. We hebben maar een deel van de gesprekken gehoord tenslotte.
Ik vind het wel echt iets Amerikaans om het hele eiland te willen boycotten, alsof er in Amerika nooit iets verkeerds gebeurt en er nooit meisjes verdwijnen
En wat corruptie betreft : dat kunnen ze daar ook hoor. Overal en in elk land waar politici en juristen zijn vind je corruptie.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Who do you think you are to call me a big trol?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
Who/what are you yourself? What are you doing here?
Are you one of those people @ SM who think they can solve the problems in the world by posting at a forum?
Are you one of those who were bashing me @ SM because I was critical about the way of view people @ SM seems to must have to be a member of the forum overthere?
Where is SM based? The formal USSR? Follow the leader and otherwise keep your mouth shut up or you will be banned?
I never received an answer from Klaas why I was banned at SM. Do you know why? Because I have a different opinion about this case? Or just because I'm Dutch and/or are on Aruba?
Get a life or answer my questions in a normal way...
Diving is OK overher as you can see:
Come over and join me...
Dat zei Karel van der Graaf ooit ook eens en toen werd ook een pleuriszooi.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Heren rustig...laten we dit ook op fok.nl netjes oplossen
En je mag me gerust in het Nederlands aanspreken, die taal spreek ik dagelijks naast Engels.
Ik ben niet begonnen met mensen te beledigen en ook ik hoop dat deze zaak opgelost wordt.
Nu jij weer...
Vrees niet, ik laat me hier niet wegjagen door iemand die zonder aanleiding iemand een 'big trol' noemt.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:40 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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ik wil zijn mening over verschillende zaken horen hier.
dus jaag hem niet weg.
Zoiets zegt meer over de persoon die zoiets zegt dan over de persoon waarover het gaat...
Caesu, stop toch eens met je vooringenomenheid.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 12:42 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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ik begreep het even niet idd
maar goed ik denk dat het bewijzen verzamelen helemaal niet zo interessant (meer) is eigenlijk.
dat kunnen we toch niet op een forum voor elkaar krijgen zonder dat we de middelen hebben die justitie heeft. zou een rare boel worden.
wat ìk interessanter vind is nadenken over wat hier allemaal achter zit.
ik bedoel die internationale hype draait echt niet alleen om een kereltje dat de halve dag stoned online zit te pokeren op de zolderkamer van z'n oma en de rest van de dag in een range rover opschept over hoe hij een meisje halfdood in de oceaan heeft laten dumpen.
er zijn advocatenbureau's in amerika, aruba en nederland die hem verdedigen.
die zich in de krankzinnigste bochten wringen om er nog een draai aan geven.
het is wel bekend dat economische zaken op aruba belangrijker is dan justitie.
dan gaat er vroeg of laat natuurlijk eens iets fout. in mei/juni 2005 was dat het geval.
toen was er een cover-up nodig.
maar sindsdien is zelfs die cover-up belangrijker geworden dan economische zaken.
aruba is in de rode cijfers terecht gekomen. dan is er dus nog meer aan de hand.
en dan ga ik de wildste scenario's bedenken hoe dit door beide regeringen gespind gaat worden.
kan dit tot de uitkomsten behoren of breng ik iemand zo op een idee?
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #5
ik zou het niet zo erg vinden want dat roversnest heeft meer dan genoeg ellende veroorzaakt.
Ik bevind me hier midden in 'dat roversnest' dat zeker niet in de rode cijfers is gekomen door deze zaak, hoewel het wel z'n invloeden heeft er op
Het barst hier overigens nog steeds van de Amerikanen die het allemaal 'fantastic'', 'awesome' and 'wonderfull' vinden dus de soep wordt niet zo heet gegegeten als dat ze door sommigen opgediend wordt.
5 op een rij, dus ik ga me nu bezig houden met andere, voor mij belangrijkere zaken...
Ik zie de reakties vanavond (voor de Nederlanders vannacht) wel weer...
Ik zie de reakties vanavond (voor de Nederlanders vannacht) wel weer...
i have email contact with some locals and the best place to rape a girl on aruba is the old Esso club
http://lh6.google.com/dan(...)_0223.JPG?imgmax=576
http://lh6.google.com/dan(...)_0223.JPG?imgmax=576
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Thanks for the tip.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 15:52 schreef johan555 het volgende:
i have email contact with some locals and the best place to rape a girl on aruba is the old Esso club
http://lh6.google.com/dan(...)_0223.JPG?imgmax=576
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
Hé, kijk ik nog even hier voordat ik inderdaad ga duiken (goede gok!!!), zie ik alleen dit antwoord van je...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 15:45 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Fijn, nou lekker weer gaan duiken he?
doei!
Ik heb je wat vragen gesteld, wees zo vriendelijk en beantwoord die even.
Ja zeg, als we met Karel van der Graaf gaan beginnen dan kun je met je vragen ook de boom in, ben niet van SM by the way.Voor de rest begrijp ik best dat je Aruba wilt 'verdedigen' en dat ze er daar allemaal ook niks aan kunnen doen en zo maar ik ben dat ubergelul en gepolder wel eens helemaal zat.Vind je het ook niet vreemd bijvoorbeeld dat Balkenende al 3-4 dagen pleite is naar de antillen en je er geen hol van hoort? En Hans Mos is op vakantie...
Nou hup, duiken!
Nou hup, duiken!
MadMaster, if you read this. can you look up a bio on Rudy Croes justice minister in a library or archive if you've got time?
i want to know what job he had around the IRT-affair, if he had a role in this.
he is constantly taking hits at Hirsch Ballin in statements and vice versa.
Hirsch Ballin resigned as justice minister because of the IRT-affair.
i want to know what job he had around the IRT-affair, if he had a role in this.
he is constantly taking hits at Hirsch Ballin in statements and vice versa.
Hirsch Ballin resigned as justice minister because of the IRT-affair.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
tering, ik heb het zelf al gevonden:
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
en dat deed ie dus - nèt zoals Hirsch Ballin.quote:In plaats daarvan vaardige de Amsterdamse politieleiding een twintig koppen sterk arrestatieteam af naar Aruba. Ondertussen verbood Zwinkels de Arubaanse politie ook om eventuele getuigen in een grote drugszaak te horen, onder wie oud-minister van Justitie Rudy Croes. Zwinkels rechterhand Van Eck tegen Rasmijn en Zaandam: 'Jullie moeten je realiseren dat deze getuige een ex-minister van Justitie is en huidig statenlid. Jullie correspondenties getuigen daar niet van. Hou er rekening mee dat hij als minister van Justitie zou kunnen terugkeren bij een volgende regering'.
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
sorry, MadMaster - ik neem het vooral Nederland zelf kwalijk, dat ze niet ingrijpen.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 15:28 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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Caesu, stop toch eens met je vooringenomenheid.
Ik bevind me hier midden in 'dat roversnest' dat zeker niet in de rode cijfers is gekomen door deze zaak, hoewel het wel z'n invloeden heeft er op
Het barst hier overigens nog steeds van de Amerikanen die het allemaal 'fantastic'', 'awesome' and 'wonderfull' vinden dus de soep wordt niet zo heet gegegeten als dat ze door sommigen opgediend wordt.
en over de reden waarom ze niet ingrijpen, daar heb ik ook mijn theorieën over die ik inmiddels al heb geventileerd in deze topics.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Deze filmpjes al bekend hier? Kwam het toevallig tegen vandaag.
New info on Natalee Holloway part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy1REktC_c
New info on Natalee Holloway part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy1REktC_c
Is al voorbij gekomen hier, maar wordt afgedaan als lariekoek.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:07 schreef RotterdamRebel het volgende:
Deze filmpjes al bekend hier? Kwam het toevallig tegen vandaag.
New info on Natalee Holloway part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy1REktC_c
Ik weet het verder ook niet hoor. Is vooral de opinie van die bange aapjes volgens mij.
maar ja, iets fouts zeggen over Natalee dat mag niet van de aapjes
Keep the faith!!
De posters en de problemen thuis waar ik 't daarstraks ook al over had ! Da's ook toevalligquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:07 schreef RotterdamRebel het volgende:
Deze filmpjes al bekend hier? Kwam het toevallig tegen vandaag.
New info on Natalee Holloway part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy1REktC_c
Waarom zouden we dat hier niet mogen bespreken ? We zitten hier op Fok! en niet op SM
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Nou....... kon ik je maar joinenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 15:05 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
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<knip>
Diving is OK overher as you can see:
[ afbeelding ]
Come over and join me...
, ziet er top uit Oh well, ooit misschien...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
quote:Toespraak minister-president op Sint Maarten
12-02-2008
In het 'Courthouse' van Sint Maarten spreekt minister-president Balkenende over de fundamenten van de rechtsstaat: adequate rechtshandhaving en deugdelijk bestuur.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)dent_op_Sint_Maarten
wordt vast gezellig op Aruba vrijdag, fijn op de foto met Rudy Croes.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Misschien moet je die site van Rene van Nie die ik al eerder gaan eens bekijken. Hij is een local die daar woont en spreekt met de hart op de tong (over het OM, regering en ook de Twitty's) en weet zeker wel wat daar allemaal is gebeurd tijdens 2005/2006/2007. Vooral tijdens 2005 spreekt hij er veel over.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 17:32 schreef Caesu het volgende:
MadMaster, if you read this. can you look up a bio on Rudy Croes justice minister in a library or archive if you've got time?
i want to know what job he had around the IRT-affair, if he had a role in this.
he is constantly taking hits at Hirsch Ballin in statements and vice versa.
Hirsch Ballin resigned as justice minister because of the IRT-affair.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Istie nou ook al verdwenen??? Damn die Joranquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 17:09 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ja zeg, als we met Karel van der Graaf gaan beginnen dan kun je met je vragen ook de boom in, ben niet van SM by the way.Voor de rest begrijp ik best dat je Aruba wilt 'verdedigen' en dat ze er daar allemaal ook niks aan kunnen doen en zo maar ik ben dat ubergelul en gepolder wel eens helemaal zat.Vind je het ook niet vreemd bijvoorbeeld dat Balkenende al 3-4 dagen pleite is naar de antillen en je er geen hol van hoort? En Hans Mos is op vakantie...
Nou hup, duiken!
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
die site staat nog in m'n favorieten voor een keertje.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:40 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Misschien moet je die site van Rene van Nie die ik al eerder gaan eens bekijken. Hij is een local die daar woont en spreekt met de hart op de tong (over het OM, regering en ook de Twitty's) en weet zeker wel wat daar allemaal is gebeurd tijdens 2005/2006/2007. Vooral tijdens 2005 spreekt hij er veel over.
ik verdiep me al lang niet meer in de miniscule details.
pelikaanbotten napluizen enzo. de zaak stinkt gewoon tot en met.
media bericht er niet over want als het kabinet valt wint de PVV en die komt nooit in shows als Pauw/Witteman enzo. ik kan het mis hebben hoor!
hoeveel nederlanders weten dat Balkenende vrijdag op Aruba is?
vraag het voor de grap eens aan een paar mensen.
belangrijkste bezoek binnen het koninkrijk in jaren - nog afgezien van dat hele Joran-schandaal.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Bange apen zeggen dat het inderdaad onzin is die 2. Zou kunnen, want er is ook niets meer van ze vernomen na en ze zwijgen in alle talen. Het zijn mediums trouwens... Maar je weet het niet, misschien zijn ze bewijzen aan het zoeken om hun bevindingen hard te maken. Ik denk zelf dat het onzin is. Maar dat verhaal van Netwerk toentertijd dat de familie Twitty/Holloway is aangekomen met die medjet zou best een kern van waarheid in kunnen zitten.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:07 schreef RotterdamRebel het volgende:
Deze filmpjes al bekend hier? Kwam het toevallig tegen vandaag.
New info on Natalee Holloway part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy1REktC_c
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Heb je de site wel eens bekeken dan? Hij spreekt eveneens van corruptie op Aruba hoor en over dat de regering niet helemaal spoort alsook het OM. Hij is zeer kritisch daarover, neemt geen blad voor de mond, krijgt zelfs emails en brieven toegezonden van Karin Janssen en Croes om hun naam te zuiveren.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:45 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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die site staat nog in m'n favorieten voor een keertje.
ik verdiep me al lang niet meer in de miniscule details.
pelikaanbotten napluizen enzo. de zaak stinkt gewoon tot en met.
media bericht er niet over want als het kabinet valt wint de PVV en die komt nooit in shows als Pauw/Witteman enzo. ik kan het mis hebben hoor!
hoeveel nederlanders weten dat Balkenende vrijdag op Aruba is?
vraag het voor de grap eens aan een paar mensen.
belangrijkste bezoek binnen het koninkrijk in jaren - nog afgezien van dat hele Joran-schandaal.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.htmlquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:50 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Heb je de site wel eens bekeken dan? Hij spreekt eveneens van corruptie op Aruba hoor en over dat de regering niet helemaal spoort alsook het OM. Hij is zeer kritisch daarover, neemt geen blad voor de mond, krijgt zelfs emails en brieven toegezonden van Karin Janssen en Croes om hun naam te zuiveren.
ja weet ik!
Karin Janssen is ook z'n betrouwbaar persoontje.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article9234541.ece
quote:Begin dit jaar is zij voor drie jaar is benoemd tot hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba. De gemeente Ambt Montfort, waartoe Sint Odiliënberg behoort, is inmiddels gestart met een onderzoek naar de illegale bouwpraktijken. De fraudeofficier die over drie jaar weer terugkeert naar het arrondissementsparket Roermond, blijkt tegen alle regels van het bestemmingsplan in, te hebben gehandeld.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Precies die site ja en als je nou 2006 en 2007 bekijkt dan gaat het meer over het reilen en zeilen daar bij de ministers. Minder over Holloway dat wel... Je hoeft hem niet op zijn woord te geloven maar toch, je lees ook wel tussen de regels door door dat ook de locals het daar niet eens zijn met vele dingen.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:53 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
ja weet ik!
Karin Janssen is ook z'n betrouwbaar persoontje.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article9234541.ece
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Weet je er zal heus wel corruptie zijn maar daar zullen zij niet de enige in zijn. Of dat zoveel te maken heeft met Natalee weet ik niet, daar ben ik nogal skeptisch over. Wat ik wel denk is dat het OM van Aruba gewoon niet competent genoeg was deze zaak op te handelen en op te lossen. Er zijn vele fouten gemaakt en aanvankelijk is het gewoon niet juist aangepakt. Aruba had nooit kunnen weten dat er zo'n ophef van gemaakt zou worden en dat de Twitty's hun tanden erin zouden zetten. Begrijp me goed, ik kan dat wel begrijpen hoor dat ze moedeloos zijn geworden door de gang van zaken maar ze zijn er in het begin zo opgesprongen en hebben de druk opgevoerd dat het OM door die druk fouten heeft gemaakt. Cruciale fouten. Je moet niet vergeten dat niet lang na de verdwijning van Natalee al door de Holloway's Twitty's werd gesproken over een coverup en een boycot voor, ook voor Nederland. Nou ga er dan maar aanstaan als klein eilandje....
Overigens alle "onderzoeken" die SM heeft gedaan wordt direct aangenomen voor waarheid door die Jug Twitty die nauw in contact staat bij die apen.
Vraag rijst wel waarom heeft Marcia Twitty in beginsel alle foto camera's van de vriendinnen van Natalee geconfisceerd? Waarom mochten die kinderen aanvankelijk niet praten met ALE? En pas in een veel later stadium in het nieuws zijn gekomen? Dat is toch wel opmerkelijk?
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Nou ga er dan maar aanstaan als klein eilandje....Overigens alle "onderzoeken" die SM heeft gedaan wordt direct aangenomen voor waarheid door die Jug Twitty die nauw in contact staat bij die apen.
Vraag rijst wel waarom heeft Marcia Twitty in beginsel alle foto camera's van de vriendinnen van Natalee geconfisceerd? Waarom mochten die kinderen aanvankelijk niet praten met ALE? En pas in een veel later stadium in het nieuws zijn gekomen? Dat is toch wel opmerkelijk?
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ja daarom probeer ik naar een groter plaatje te kijken.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 18:57 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Precies die site ja en als je nou 2006 en 2007 bekijkt dan gaat het meer over het reilen en zeilen daar bij de ministers. Minder over Holloway dat wel... Je hoeft hem niet op zijn woord te geloven maar toch, je lees ook wel tussen de regels door door dat ook de locals het daar niet eens zijn met vele dingen.
cover-up en corruptie, daar hoef ik niet meer bewijzen/aanwijzingen voor te hebben.
maar hoe gaat dit aflopen? waait echt niet zomaar over denk ik.
al hopen ze dat wel gezien de geforceerde mediastilte.
de verdwijning van natalee is maar één misdaad, die cover-up is een misdaad die nu al bijna 3 jaar duurt.
eerder postte ik wat voor belangen er allemaal spelen in die regio.
misschien moet er daarom alles aan gedaan worden om de boel 'stabiel' te houden.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Precies, er word wat al te veel achter gezocht. Daar word het niet beter van en het lost niks op.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:08 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Weet je er zal heus wel corruptie zijn maar daar zullen zij niet de enige in zijn.
Vind de hele SM maar een bedenkelijke zaak. Overdrijven is een kust die daar tot in de puntjes beheest word. Elke vorm van kritsch denken word daar meteen *weggemodderd* lijkt het wel. Je kunt dus niet veel waarde hechten aan de info die daar vandaan komt.quote:Overigens alle "onderzoeken" die SM heeft gedaan wordt direct aangenomen voor waarheid door die Jug Twitty die nauw in contact staat bij die apen.
Als dat waar is is het idd erg vreemd. Het omgekeerde lijkt mij veel logischer.quote:Vraag rijst wel waarom heeft Marcia Twitty in beginsel alle foto camera's van de vriendinnen van Natalee geconfisceerd? Waarom mochten die kinderen aanvankelijk niet praten met ALE? En pas in een veel later stadium in het nieuws zijn gekomen? Dat is toch wel opmerkelijk?
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Ik begin ook mijn twijfels te krijgen bij Scared Monkeys. In een van de hoofdstukken schreef iemand van Fok dat hij niet op het forum mocht of gebanned was wegens een andere mening oid. Vervolgens heb ik me ook geprobeerd aan te melden een paar dagen geleden: niets meer gehoord.quote:[
Vind de hele SM maar een bedenkelijke zaak.
Vreemd.
Trouwens (ik quote mezelf maar evenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:14 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Quote Rene van Nie
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Bron
) wat is er nou zo vreselijk aan deze post dat die Observer mij zo heeft aangevallen dat ik onwaarheden vertel en een trol ben? Kan die aap niet lezen? Of had hij al alle pijlen op mij gericht vanaf het begin en nam meteen al aan dat ik onwaarheden post? Het is toch best wel aannemelijk wat die Art Wood hier schrijft. Ik heb altijd al gedacht dat die boot van Gottenbos is gebruikt voor het dumpen van Natalee.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Wat bedoel je met het laatste, het omgekeerde bedoel ik? Dat ALE niet met de MB students wilde praten?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:29 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Precies, er word wat al te veel achter gezocht. Daar word het niet beter van en het lost niks op.
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Vind de hele SM maar een bedenkelijke zaak. Overdrijven is een kust die daar tot in de puntjes beheest word. Elke vorm van kritsch denken word daar meteen *weggemodderd* lijkt het wel. Je kunt dus niet veel waarde hechten aan de info die daar vandaan komt.
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Als dat waar is is het idd erg vreemd. Het omgekeerde lijkt mij veel logischer.
SM moet je alleen maar meelezen, want sommige dingen zijn best interessant. Heel in het begin in 2005 was ik daar ook een poster. Nooit iets gepost en alleen maar meegelezen tot de boycot en daar heb ik alleen gezegd dat ik een geen slimme aktie vond, precies in die bewoordingen, hup eraf was ik
Er waren ook enkele andere Nederlanders die daar hun best deden om het juridisch systeem uit te leggen, ook Arubanen trouwens. In het begin allemaal mooi en aardig, er werden hele stukken vertaald door hen van Nederlands/Papiamento in Engels (heel veel werk) en toen ze een andere mening kregen over bepaalde zaken, hup eraf. Hilarisch niet? Dan heb je zoveel werk gestoken om die apen uit te leggen hoe ons juridisch systeem werkt, vertaling op vertaling gedaan en dan ben je zo foetsjie.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Niks mis met jou of je uitspraken hoor BwennieBren. Ik zelf ben ook op de korrel genomen en verder iedereen die iets te zeggen had dat niet in het SM straatje past.
Ik begrijp ook niet goed waarom Observer er hier zo over door gaat ( hij heeft 't op SM toch wel druk genoeg ) en het georeer klinkt als propaganda in mijn oren maar het is me onduidelijk wat daarvan de bedoeling is
En waarom moet het hele eiland zo worden aangevallen/geboycot ?
Ik begrijp ook niet goed waarom Observer er hier zo over door gaat ( hij heeft 't op SM toch wel druk genoeg ) en het georeer klinkt als propaganda in mijn oren maar het is me onduidelijk wat daarvan de bedoeling is
En waarom moet het hele eiland zo worden aangevallen/geboycot ?
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Doe geen moeite joh, tenzij je bereid bent for ass kissing the monkeys....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:39 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Ik begin ook mijn twijfels te krijgen bij Scared Monkeys. In een van de hoofdstukken schreef iemand van Fok dat hij niet op het forum mocht of gebanned was wegens een andere mening oid. Vervolgens heb ik me ook geprobeerd aan te melden een paar dagen geleden: niets meer gehoord.
Vreemd.
Lees gewoon mee daar en wat je interessant vindt dat pleur je gewoon hier neer. Net zo simpel toch?
Ik ga ook geen stukken meer in het Engels schrijven, als die Observer geen respect kan tonen dat meniggeen hier een andere mening is toebedeeld dat flikkert hij het maar door babelfish heen.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
kijk ze hebben gewoon alles al talloze malen uitgezocht.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:39 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Ik begin ook mijn twijfels te krijgen bij Scared Monkeys. In een van de hoofdstukken schreef iemand van Fok dat hij niet op het forum mocht of gebanned was wegens een andere mening oid. Vervolgens heb ik me ook geprobeerd aan te melden een paar dagen geleden: niets meer gehoord.
Vreemd.
en bepaalde standpunten aangenomen waar ze niet meer van afwijken.
dus ze worden een beetje moe om telkens maar weer wat gegevens die in tegenspraak (lijken te) zijn te moeten ontkrachten.
en sinds die car-tapes komen er opeens allemaal nederlanders die nog nooit zich er in verdiept hebben en kunnen ze weer van voor af aan beginnen.
maar ik vind het niet zo interessant al die rare tegenstrijdigheden eigenlijk.
als we nu kan vaststellen dat de hele zaak gewoon enorm stinkt.
waarom staan wij toe dat dit binnen het koninkrijk kan gebeuren?
en wat die joran allemaal in de auto vertelt bevestigt ook weer de karikatuur die van nederland wordt gemaakt.
en balkenende 'normen en waarden, respect' hoor je er niet over en hij vertrekt stilletjes naar de antillen en aruba. klinkt meer als een laatste afscheidstour.
volgende week een spoeddebat over irak. een amerikaans instituut heeft 935 leugens gevonden in de aanloop naar die oorlog.
volgens mij valt balkenende nog liever over aruba dan over irak.
anders gaat hij de geschiedenisboeken in als een premier die is afgetreden omdat hij nederland een illegale oorlog heeft ingestuurd.
maar goed het kan ook zijn dat alles na het weekend weer is overgewaaid.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Er is maar één waarheid, de waarheid.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:39 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Trouwens (ik quote mezelf maar even
Een dergelijk forum als SM is een broedplaats van conspiracy achtige ideetjes en talloze aannamen. Allemaal gebundeld tot een scenario, welke de waarheid is en twijfel daar niet aan. Kortom zwart/wit denken ten top.
“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
dat begreep ik ook niet.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:39 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Trouwens (ik quote mezelf maar even
Het is toch best wel aannemelijk wat die Art Wood hier schrijft. Ik heb altijd al gedacht dat die boot van Gottenbos is gebruikt voor het dumpen van Natalee.
maar ik dacht ik mis vast weer een klein detail, dus ik waagde me er niet aan.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Dit is wel een goede inkijk in wat voor figureren er rond dwalen op dat SM forum.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:55 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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kijk ze hebben gewoon alles al talloze malen uitgezocht.
en bepaalde standpunten aangenomen waar ze niet meer van afwijken.
dus ze worden een beetje moe om telkens maar weer wat gegevens die in tegenspraak (lijken te) zijn te moeten ontkrachten.
en sinds die car-tapes komen er opeens allemaal nederlanders die nog nooit zich er in verdiept hebben en kunnen ze weer van voor af aan beginnen.
maar ik vind het niet zo interessant al die rare tegenstrijdigheden eigenlijk.
als we nu kan vaststellen dat de hele zaak gewoon enorm stinkt.
waarom staan wij toe dat dit binnen het koninkrijk kan gebeuren?
en wat die joran allemaal in de auto vertelt bevestigt ook weer de karikatuur die van nederland wordt gemaakt.
en balkenende 'normen en waarden, respect' hoor je er niet over en hij vertrekt stilletjes naar de antillen en aruba. klinkt meer als een laatste afscheidstour.
volgende week een spoeddebat over irak. een amerikaans instituut heeft 935 leugens gevonden in de aanloop naar die oorlog.
volgens mij valt balkenende nog liever over aruba dan over irak.
anders gaat hij de geschiedenisboeken in als een premier die is afgetreden omdat hij nederland een illegale oorlog heeft ingestuurd.
maar goed het kan ook zijn dat alles na het weekend weer is overgewaaid.
“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
@ BwennieBren
Ik was stomverbaast te lezen dat dat niet direct gebeurd is. Meest voor de hand liggend lijkt mij om dat als eerste te doen.
Ik heb op SM wel een paar keer rondgekeken maar de toon daar vind ik irritant en vooringenomen, niks voor mij
En dat je gewipt werd verbaast mij niks daar mag je alleen mee huilen met de wolven in het bos. Een ander geluid word niet op prijs gesteld
Ik bedoel dat het meer voor de hand zou liggen om alle foto's goed te bekijken en eventueel openbaar te maken. Dat die kinderen juist wel - en meteen als het nog vers in de herinnering zit-zoveel mogelijk moesten vertellen over wat er daar was voorgevallen enz....quote:Vraag rijst wel waarom heeft Marcia Twitty in beginsel alle foto camera's van de vriendinnen van Natalee geconfisceerd? Waarom mochten die kinderen aanvankelijk niet praten met ALE? En pas in een veel later stadium in het nieuws zijn gekomen? Dat is toch wel opmerkelijk?
Ik was stomverbaast te lezen dat dat niet direct gebeurd is. Meest voor de hand liggend lijkt mij om dat als eerste te doen.
Ik heb op SM wel een paar keer rondgekeken maar de toon daar vind ik irritant en vooringenomen, niks voor mij
En dat je gewipt werd verbaast mij niks daar mag je alleen mee huilen met de wolven in het bos. Een ander geluid word niet op prijs gesteld
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
True so true..quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:56 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:
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Er is maar één waarheid, de waarheid.
Ach een beetje conspiracy mag wel hoor, maar ga in godsnaam niet roepen dat alles bewezen is door de apen (ook al doen ze hun best daar en steken veel van hun tijd erin) en vervolgens hele transcripts van de US media hier neer te pleuren, daar zakt werkelijk mijn broek vanaf.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
bange poepertquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 19:57 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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dat begreep ik ook niet.
maar ik dacht ik mis vast weer een klein detail, dus ik waagde me er niet aan.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
maar het feit dat Peter R. de Vries op het radiostation van ze verschijnt zegt toch wel wat.
hij doet dat echt niet zonder even te hebben gekeken wat ze daar precies aan het doen zijn.
die uitzending van morgenochtend wordt hoe dan ook interessant.
ik denk dat Peter R. veel beter de PR kan doen voor het nederlandse publiek.
hij doet dat echt niet zonder even te hebben gekeken wat ze daar precies aan het doen zijn.
die uitzending van morgenochtend wordt hoe dan ook interessant.
ik denk dat Peter R. veel beter de PR kan doen voor het nederlandse publiek.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Sommige MB students hebben -zover ik weet- alleen aan de FBI hun verklaring afgegeven in beginsel. Er zijn trouwens wel een paar foto's van die trip op een flickrsite gezet hoor, van een boottocht ofzo op een catamaran tijdens die trip. Ik zal eens kijken of ik nog wat foto's heb daarvan.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 20:00 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
@ BwennieBren
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Ik bedoel dat het meer voor de hand zou liggen om alle foto's goed te bekijken en eventueel openbaar te maken. Dat die kinderen juist wel - en meteen als het nog vers in de herinnering zit-zoveel mogelijk moesten vertellen over wat er daar was voorgevallen enz....
Ik was stomverbaast te lezen dat dat niet direct gebeurd is. Meest voor de hand liggend lijkt mij om dat als eerste te doen.
Ik heb op SM wel een paar keer rondgekeken maar de toon daar vind ik irritant en vooringenomen, niks voor mij
En dat je gewipt werd verbaast mij niks daar mag je alleen mee huilen met de wolven in het bos. Een ander geluid word niet op prijs gesteld
En wat betreft die toon op SM, nou ja daar heb ik mijn scrolvingertje voor zeg maar
ik lees alleen wat ik interessant vind want van dat gebash op de arubanen en dutchies met hun WOII verhalen krijg ik de slappe lach en kan ik me niet meer concentreren op de zaken
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
We zullen moeten afwachten wat zijn bedoeling is daarvanquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 20:10 schreef Caesu het volgende:
maar het feit dat Peter R. de Vries op het radiostation van ze verschijnt zegt toch wel wat.
hij doet dat echt niet zonder even te hebben gekeken wat ze daar precies aan het doen zijn.
die uitzending van morgenochtend wordt hoe dan ook interessant.
ik denk dat Peter R. veel beter de PR kan doen voor het nederlandse publiek.
Een verhaal bekijken en horen van een andere kanten is nooit weg natuurlijk. Of hij dat gaat gebruiken in een vervolgverhaal in zijn programma is nog een tweede.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
wat ik wel zou willen weten of er meer foto's beschikbaar zijn die in C&C genomen zijn
tot nu toe heb ik er maar 1 gezien
ook kom ik nergens getuige verklaringen tegen van mensen die ze op het strand gezien hebben
joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
tot nu toe heb ik er maar 1 gezien
ook kom ik nergens getuige verklaringen tegen van mensen die ze op het strand gezien hebben
joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Vreemd dat in zijn verhaal op de tape van Peter daar niks van blijkt..... Ik vroeg me al af hoe dat zat met pottenkijkers op dat strand.quote:joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Druk op het strand die avond?quote:[
ook kom ik nergens getuige verklaringen tegen van mensen die ze op het strand gezien hebben
joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
Nou, ik heb ff gekeken veel heb ik niet hoor, alleen van die boottrip een paar en een in C&C toen.. en helemaal geen foto's van Natalee trouwens alleen haar medestudentenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 20:19 schreef johan555 het volgende:
wat ik wel zou willen weten of er meer foto's beschikbaar zijn die in C&C genomen zijn
tot nu toe heb ik er maar 1 gezien
ook kom ik nergens getuige verklaringen tegen van mensen die ze op het strand gezien hebben
joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
Wat je wel zou kunnen doen is op de flckr site op Aruba 2005 kunnen zoeken.
Overigens was er wel een of ander strandfeest die avond, ik zal ff kijken wat ik daarvan kan vinden.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ja dat staat in een van z'n verklaringen en dat er 2 bootjes waren met vissende mensen
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ja ja ken die site
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Het was Aruba Soul Beach Music Festival 2005 trouwens
Dit is best interessant om te lezen
http://member.telpacific.(...)eHolloway/page07.htm
[ Bericht 65% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 21:18:14 ]
Dit is best interessant om te lezen
http://member.telpacific.(...)eHolloway/page07.htm
[ Bericht 65% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 21:18:14 ]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ORANJESTAD — Het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba doet niet voor morgen uitspraak over een eventuele aanhouding van Joran van der Sloot. Bepaald is dat de Nederlandse advocaat van de verdachte van moord op Natalee Holloway tot woensdag de tijd krijgt om zijn visie te geven op de zaak. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) gisteren meegedeeld.
12 Feb, 2008, 19:42 (GMT -04:00)
12 Feb, 2008, 19:42 (GMT -04:00)
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ik heb keihard bewijs dat het vandaag woensdag is.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 21:50 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ORANJESTAD — Het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba doet niet voor morgen uitspraak over een eventuele aanhouding van Joran van der Sloot. Bepaald is dat de Nederlandse advocaat van de verdachte van moord op Natalee Holloway tot woensdag de tijd krijgt om zijn visie te geven op de zaak. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) gisteren meegedeeld.
12 Feb, 2008, 19:42 (GMT -04:00)
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
zo de eerst lucht foto's genomen in 2005 en 2007 zijn er
van de gehele kust van Aruba
die is de esso club
van de gehele kust van Aruba
die is de esso club
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
die zijn er vast en zeker, maar ze zijn moeilijk te vinden op inet, en de meest intresante die van haar klas genoten staan niet online, zover ik heb kunnen zoeken, Facebook, flickr, website van haar school in mountain brook. etc, iemand nog andere foto website's?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 20:19 schreef johan555 het volgende:
wat ik wel zou willen weten of er meer foto's beschikbaar zijn die in C&C genomen zijn
tot nu toe heb ik er maar 1 gezien
ook kom ik nergens getuige verklaringen tegen van mensen die ze op het strand gezien hebben
joran zegt in een verklaring dat het nogal druk was die avond op het strand
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Zo ff digital globe mailen met de vraag of ze eind mei/ gegin juni hebben van 2005, Google maps sux
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
foto nr 2 Reef at Picnic Grounds
foto nr 2
foto nr 2
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ik heb wel een lijst van alle klasgenoten die er bij waren is wel ff speuren denk ik om die foto's te vinden
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
zitten zeer interessante foto's bij
kust ook close up's
kust ook close up's
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Terug van duiken, dus ik mag weer...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 17:09 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ja zeg, als we met Karel van der Graaf gaan beginnen dan kun je met je vragen ook de boom in, ben niet van SM by the way.Voor de rest begrijp ik best dat je Aruba wilt 'verdedigen' en dat ze er daar allemaal ook niks aan kunnen doen en zo maar ik ben dat ubergelul en gepolder wel eens helemaal zat.Vind je het ook niet vreemd bijvoorbeeld dat Balkenende al 3-4 dagen pleite is naar de antillen en je er geen hol van hoort? En Hans Mos is op vakantie...
Nou hup, duiken!
Jij bent hier (met een kloon???) net een par dagen aanwezig en jij roept dat de 'heren' het rustig aan moeten gaan doen terwijl je mij een big trol noemt. De pot verwijt de ketel, oorzaak en gevolg, vind je ook niet?
En om je geheugen op te frissen, ik doelde op dit stukje TV. Misschien was je nog niet geboren toen, maar een beetje geschiedenis is nooit weg:
Paul Somohardjo krijgt klappen/vuistslagen in praatprogramma Karel v/d Graaf.
Daarnaast verdedig ik niks, ik snap alleen de kortzichtigheid van sommige mensen hier niet zo.
Ik ben het zelfs met je eens dat het onderzoek de nodige haken en ogen vertoont, maar dat hele coverup-verhaal en de manier hoe jij hier mij even denkt te kunnen bestempelen bevallen me totaal niet.
Ik heb op SM (waar je me kennelijk van kent van mijn ongeveer 10 postings die ik heb mogen doen gezien je reaktie op mijn aanwezigheid hier) netjes alle vragen beantwoord die ik gesteld kreeg.
Wat Balkenende hier al dan niet doet, interesseert me geen reet, ik ben in ieder geval geen fan van hem.
Ben ook geen fan van poldermodellen, maar het stomzinnige geblaat van die Amerikanen op SM komt mij, op mijn beurt, ook de keel uit.
En dat Hans Mos op vakantie is, so what?
In de ogen van velen kan die toch geen goed doen, dus misschien is een nieuwe wind juist wel prima.
Als jij denkt via dit medium de zaak te kunnen oplossen, be my guest.
En als je op een normale manier kunt reageren, ook prima. Zo niet, dan wens ik je hier veel schrijfplezier en vooringenomenheid toe...
nou deze zijn wat scherper dan die van Google
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
het zou misschien handig zijn als er hier wat meer mensen van Aruba zelf op het forum komen als ze interesse hebben !
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
let's get twisted
suppose Joran calls deepack at 02.45 in that night,in that 8 minutes the discuss the next scenario and logins/password>
deepack schould go to jorans poolhouse, go on his pc, and pretend he is joran, and satish is filling in for deepack at there home. now at this moment Joran is buying time, until 04.30.
Now's het got enough time to disspose natalee himself. when joran got home, he makes up an alibi for all 3 of them.
suppose Joran calls deepack at 02.45 in that night,in that 8 minutes the discuss the next scenario and logins/password>
deepack schould go to jorans poolhouse, go on his pc, and pretend he is joran, and satish is filling in for deepack at there home. now at this moment Joran is buying time, until 04.30.
Now's het got enough time to disspose natalee himself. when joran got home, he makes up an alibi for all 3 of them.
kan jij misschien iets over die oude esso club vertellen Mad master ?
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
johan555, ik kan jouw foto's niet zien en denk dat ik niet de enige ben.
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
sure they use the computer msn logs as a alibi
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
huh kan je ze niet zien ?
bij mij staan ze gewoon in het schermpje
bij mij staan ze gewoon in het schermpje
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
johan555.familyware is password protected oid...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:02 schreef johan555 het volgende:
huh kan je ze niet zien ?
bij mij staan ze gewoon in het schermpje
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
Ik zal ze vanavond allemaal even vragen door langs de deuren te gaan.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 22:59 schreef johan555 het volgende:
het zou misschien handig zijn als er hier wat meer mensen van Aruba zelf op het forum komen als ze interesse hebben !
Net St. Maarten dan of is dat ook al corrupt...?
Ik zie overigens ook alleen maar rode kruisjes bij je afbeeldingen (ji hebt ze in je cache staan en ziet ze dus wel), maar ik ken Aruba al wat langer, dus ik weet wat je wil tonen...
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:02 schreef johan555 het volgende:
huh kan je ze niet zien ?
bij mij staan ze gewoon in het schermpje
kan ze ook niet zien, ik zag overigens in eerdere topics ook niet van jouMediums over Natalee Holloway - part 1
Mediums over Natalee Holloway - part 2
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
de eerst lucht foto's genomen in 2005 en 2007 zijn er
van de gehele kust van Aruba
die is de esso club
de eerst lucht foto's genomen in 2005 en 2007 zijn er van de gehele kust van Aruba
die is de esso club
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
is deze wel te zien dan van de esso club ?
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
jep, is dat de noord of zuidkant van ht eiland?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:13 schreef johan555 het volgende:
is deze wel te zien dan van de esso club ?
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:13 schreef johan555 het volgende:
is deze wel te zien dan van de esso club ?
Esso is zo, voor iedereen,
mix of extra, geen probleem...
Reef at Picnic Grounds
Reef at Picnic Grounds
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ja ik moet op een kaart al die baaitjes nog opzoeken ha ha
heb wel foto's van rondom het eiland allemaal vanuit de lucht en enorm scherp
heb wel foto's van rondom het eiland allemaal vanuit de lucht en enorm scherp
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:08 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Ik zal ze vanavond allemaal even vragen door langs de deuren te gaan.
Net St. Maarten dan of is dat ook al corrupt...?
Ik zie overigens ook alleen maar rode kruisjes bij je afbeeldingen (ji hebt ze in je cache staan en ziet ze dus wel), maar ik ken Aruba al wat langer, dus ik weet wat je wil tonen...
toespraak van Balkie ging er gister wel over.quote:Ik zie een samenleving die niet in de houdgreep zit van corruptie en criminaliteit. Maar een samenleving vol hoop en vertrouwen.
Ik moet eerlijk zeggen: zover is het nog niet. Om dit te bereiken, hebben we nog een lange weg te gaan. Wie het recente WODC-rapport 'Georganiseerde criminaliteit en rechtshandhaving op Sint Maarten' heeft gelezen, kan dit alleen maar beamen. Zo worden in het rapport genoemd: internationale drugshandel, mensensmokkel en het witwassen van misdaadgeld. De onderzoekers concluderen verder dat er door het ontbreken van voldoende checks and balances op het eiland een gelegenheidsstructuur is kunnen ontstaan die allerlei criminele activiteiten faciliteert.
maar geen enkele media die er over bericht, alleen de Volkskrant een kort artikeltje voor zover ik weet.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)dent_op_Sint_Maarten
van de media moet je het echt niet hebben dezer dagen.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
fok moet er wat mbtjes bij nemen dan kan je hier direct foto's opzetten
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Als je langs de deuren gaat dan is dat net als tijdens St. Maarten en daarmee doel ik dus niet op het eiland, maar de Nederlandse folkloristische gebeurtenis op 11 november ieder jaar:quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:22 schreef Caesu het volgende:
toespraak van Balkie ging er gister wel over.
Als je nu nog durft te ontkennen dat je geen last hebt van een tunnelvisie, dan ben je net zo corrupt als de Antillen zoals jij ze in gedachten hebt...
Ik had overigens al een flauw vermoeden dat deze verkeerde interpretatie door één van de aanwezigen wel gemaakt zou worden, de val lag daarom wagenwijd open....
quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 00:32 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Als je langs de deuren gaat dan is dat net als tijdens St. Maarten en daarmee doel ik dus niet op het eiland, maar de Nederlandse folkloristische gebeurtenis op 11 november ieder jaar:
[ afbeelding ]
Als je nu nog durft te ontkennen dat je geen last hebt van een tunnelvisie, dan ben je net zo corrupt als de Antillen zoals jij ze in gedachten hebt...
Ik had overigens al een flauw vermoeden dat deze verkeerde interpretatie door één van de aanwezigen wel gemaakt zou worden, de val lag daarom wagenwijd open....
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
graag, desnoods gaan we ze mailen om de foto's uit C n C te krijgen, vragen kan altijd PM het maar zel zo netjes voor de betrokkenen. Of zijn die foto's al ergens te vinden?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 22:48 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ik heb wel een lijst van alle klasgenoten die er bij waren is wel ff speuren denk ik om die foto's te vinden
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Ik heb een kennis die sinds 5 jaar hier woont, zal het haar vragen het die kant op sturen en ze te vragen een account op FOK aan te makenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 22:59 schreef johan555 het volgende:
het zou misschien handig zijn als er hier wat meer mensen van Aruba zelf op het forum komen als ze interesse hebben !
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
kun je ALLE foto die je hebt aub Zippen en naar rapid share gooein dan ga ik proberen een mozaiec er van te maken,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:22 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja ik moet op een kaart al die baaitjes nog opzoeken ha ha
heb wel foto's van rondom het eiland allemaal vanuit de lucht en enorm scherp
gaat wel even duren.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Speculation, please provide factsquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:00 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
let's get twisted
suppose Joran calls deepack at 02.45 in that night,in that 8 minutes the discuss the next scenario and logins/password>
deepack schould go to jorans poolhouse, go on his pc, and pretend he is joran, and satish is filling in for deepack at there home. now at this moment Joran is buying time, until 04.30.
Now's het got enough time to disspose natalee himself. when joran got home, he makes up an alibi for all 3 of them.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.phpAruba
Docent Colegio gehoord in Holloway-zaak
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — Een docent van Colegio Aruba is vorige week tot drie keer toe ondervraagd in verband met de vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. De verhoren gingen over een mobiele telefoon die de leraar in 2006 heeft gevonden in het duingebied achter de vuurtoren bij de Westpunt en die toe zou behoren aan Paul van der Sloot. De mobiele telefoon is echter van Valentijn van der Sloot, een van de broers van Joran, zegt Anita van der Sloot.
13 Feb, 2008, 17:46 (GMT -04:00)
TRANNY
Docent Colegio heard in holloway matter subscriber Article ORANJESTAD
- a docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three
times concerning the vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. To interrogate
concerned a mobile tel. which the teacher in 2006, has found in the
dune area behind the lighthouse at the West point and that would
belong to Paul of of the ditch. The mobile tel. is however of
valentijn of of the ditch, of the brothers of Joran, says Anita of of
the ditch.
Docent Colegio gehoord in Holloway-zaak
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — Een docent van Colegio Aruba is vorige week tot drie keer toe ondervraagd in verband met de vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. De verhoren gingen over een mobiele telefoon die de leraar in 2006 heeft gevonden in het duingebied achter de vuurtoren bij de Westpunt en die toe zou behoren aan Paul van der Sloot. De mobiele telefoon is echter van Valentijn van der Sloot, een van de broers van Joran, zegt Anita van der Sloot.
13 Feb, 2008, 17:46 (GMT -04:00)
TRANNY
Docent Colegio heard in holloway matter subscriber Article ORANJESTAD
- a docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three
times concerning the vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. To interrogate
concerned a mobile tel. which the teacher in 2006, has found in the
dune area behind the lighthouse at the West point and that would
belong to Paul of of the ditch. The mobile tel. is however of
valentijn of of the ditch, of the brothers of Joran, says Anita of of
the ditch.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Je bedoelt dat het niet in je macht ligt om zaken gescheiden te houden.quote:
Begrijpend lezen is soms ook best lastig...
Dat is mij geheel bekend, Aruba heeft een status aparte, o.a. dankzij Betico Croes.quote:het eiland waar je je nu op bevindt hoort niet bij de Antillen, zoals je herhaaldelijk laat blijken...
Jij hebt het echter steeds over de corruptie op Aruba en de Antillen (St. Maarten, het eiland, noem je regelmatig), ook Balkenende en zijn bezoek daaraan haal je er zelfs bij, vandaar dat ik gemakshalve de Antillen zei...
Corruptie volgens Van Dale = o.a. bedrog door oneerlijkheid.quote:ik weet niet wat mij corrupt maakt als ik ontken dat ik een tunnelvisie heb terwijl jij je kop in het zand steekt en mij herhaaldelijk een schot voor open doel laat nemen.
Als je zegt geen tunnelvisie te hebben, ben je oneerlijk en bedrieg je me. je haalt immers 2 soorten St. Maartens door elkaar, terwijl ik het over 'langs de deuren gaan' had in de betreffende post. Dat zou ik dus doen op Aruba en niet op St. Maarten.
Ik steek misschien mijn kop in het zand (dat ontken ik ook niet), jij komt echter net kijken in de zandbak met je schepje en je emmertje...
En dat vermeende schot voor open doel schiet je dus telkens naast. Toch jammer...
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door MadMaster op 14-02-2008 01:14:11 ]
Kan je er een posten van Fontein ?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:22 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja ik moet op een kaart al die baaitjes nog opzoeken ha ha
heb wel foto's van rondom het eiland allemaal vanuit de lucht en enorm scherp
Where facts are few, experts are many.
The phone has it's own EMEI number wich could be used identify the phone, and a back log of 3 years on te telephone network database is normal, so it would be possible to see wich SIM card was used with the phone at what time.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 01:05 schreef observer777 het volgende:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.phpAruba
Docent Colegio gehoord in Holloway-zaak
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — Een docent van Colegio Aruba is vorige week tot drie keer toe ondervraagd in verband met de vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. De verhoren gingen over een mobiele telefoon die de leraar in 2006 heeft gevonden in het duingebied achter de vuurtoren bij de Westpunt en die toe zou behoren aan Paul van der Sloot. De mobiele telefoon is echter van Valentijn van der Sloot, een van de broers van Joran, zegt Anita van der Sloot.
13 Feb, 2008, 17:46 (GMT -04:00)
TRANNY
Docent Colegio heard in holloway matter subscriber Article ORANJESTAD
- a docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three
times concerning the vermissingszaak Natalee Holloway. To interrogate
concerned a mobile tel. which the teacher in 2006, has found in the
dune area behind the lighthouse at the West point and that would
belong to Paul of of the ditch. The mobile tel. is however of
valentijn of of the ditch, of the brothers of Joran, says Anita of of
the ditch.
good to see you back Observer777
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik heb het enkel over Aruba, niet over de Antillen - Aruba verschilt namelijk nogal van de andere eilanden.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 01:05 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Je bedoelt dat het niet in je macht ligt om zaken gescheiden te houden.
Begrijpend lezen is soms ook best lastig...
[..]
Dat is mij geheel bekend, Aruba heeft een status aparte dankzij Betico Croes.
Jij hebt het echter steeds over de Aruba en de Antillen, ook Balkende en zijn bezoek daaraan haal je er zelfs bij...
[..]
Corruptie volgens Van Dale = o.a. bedrog door oneerlijkheid.
Als je zegt geen tunnelvisie te hebben, ben je oneerlijk en bedrieg je me. je haalt immers 2 soorten St. Maartens door elkaar, terwijl ik het over 'langs de deuren gaan' had in de betreffende post. Dat zou ik dus doen op Aruba en niet op St. Maarten.
Ik steek misschien mijn kop in het zand (dat ontken ik ook niet), jij komt echter net kijken in de zandbak met je schepje en je emmertje...
En dat vermeende schot voor open doel schiet je dus telkens naast. Toch jammer...
dit komt voort uit het feit dat Aruba geen plantage-geschiedenis heeft maar er paarden werden gefokt.
inderdaad haal ik Balkenende's trip naar de Antillen en Aruba aan.
dus jou St. Maarten comment kon ik goed gebruiken om te laten zien dat Balkenede op St. Maarten het corruptieprobleem daar aanhaalt. ik ben benieuwd of hij dat ook in Aruba durft te doen...
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Dank uquote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 01:08 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
The phone has it's own EMEI number wich could be used identify the phone, and a back log of 3 years on te telephone network database is normal, so it would be possible to see wich SIM card was used with the phone at what time.
good to see you back Observer777
Both of these area's were searched in 2005,2006 and possibly even 2007
California Lighthouse
Sand Dunes behind the lighthouse
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
hey observer777
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
If the teacher "found" a phone there in 2006, The arubans need to learn how to search IF it was searched in 2005.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 01:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
Dank u
Both of these area's were searched in 2005,2006 and possibly even 2007
California Lighthouse
[ afbeelding ]
Sand Dunes behind the lighthouse
[ afbeelding ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
als we het toch over St. Maarten hebben kan dit er ook nog wel bij:
welcome back Observer777quote:***************************************
St.Maarten geërgerd over Nederland
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` Premier Balkenende heeft Sint Maarten
onterecht afgeschilderd als het 'enfant
terrible' van de Antillen.Gedeputeerde
van constitutionele zaken op St.Maarten
Sarah Wescot zegt dat in reactie op een
toespraak van Balkenende op het eiland.
Balkenende zei dat Sint Maarten geen
autonome status kan krijgen als het
geen verbetering boekt op het terrein
van rechtshandhaving,rechtspleging en
goed bestuur.Volgens Wescot wordt daar
juist al heel hard aan gewerkt.
"We zijn misschien te meewerkend en
netjes geweest richting Nederland",zegt
Wescot.Ze pleitte voor een nieuwe
houding tegenover Nederland.
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Well that Dana Pretzer show with peter R devries and Beth and others including callers was really impressive, thumbs up!
One thing I remembered was that both David Jacobs and Jan van der Straten are called: corrupt.
They messed up the investigation.Heard it from more than one people on the show.
Besides: MadMAn or what your name is: sorry, the discussion stops here, go and have a dive and have a good life...pfff
One thing I remembered was that both David Jacobs and Jan van der Straten are called: corrupt.
They messed up the investigation.Heard it from more than one people on the show.
Besides: MadMAn or what your name is: sorry, the discussion stops here, go and have a dive and have a good life...pfff
Hier staat een hele lijstquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 22:39 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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die zijn er vast en zeker, maar ze zijn moeilijk te vinden op inet, en de meest intresante die van haar klas genoten staan niet online, zover ik heb kunnen zoeken, Facebook, flickr, website van haar school in mountain brook. etc, iemand nog andere foto website's?
http://www.photosecrets.com/tips.web.html#storage
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
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