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Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4
Andere topics die interessant zijn:
Shango's raadsel
De man in de schaduw: Steve Gregory Croes
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Buitenland:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
En uiteraard op de FP:
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Holloway-zaak kost Aruba miljoenen
Joran praat morgen met politie
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Video's 2-11-08
On the record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhirWb_4obw
On the record part 2 Body Language Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSq_wBRzYw
On the record part 3 (The Persistence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
On the record part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvBseXhCh4
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Dave Holloway Interview 2-11-08
Dave on NBC/13 Birmingham
Believes that the confession is true.
Does not believe that Deepak and Satish are not involved.
He believes that their involvement will come forward very soon.
He is talking about what happened in Carlos and Charlie's
the night that Natalee disappeared. Says that there is
a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call. He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession. At last call guy would order two drinks
bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks.
He was very disappointed that the three judge panel extended
the time for Joran's lawyer to argue the case. They do not
expect a ruling before the end of the week, even though they
are saying Wednesday.
Dave says that common sense tells him that they put Natalee
in the water.
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Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4
Andere topics die interessant zijn:
Shango's raadsel
De man in de schaduw: Steve Gregory Croes
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Buitenland:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
En uiteraard op de FP:
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Holloway-zaak kost Aruba miljoenen
Joran praat morgen met politie
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Video's 2-11-08
On the record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhirWb_4obw
On the record part 2 Body Language Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuSq_wBRzYw
On the record part 3 (The Persistence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM
On the record part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQvBseXhCh4
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Dave Holloway Interview 2-11-08
Dave on NBC/13 Birmingham
Believes that the confession is true.
Does not believe that Deepak and Satish are not involved.
He believes that their involvement will come forward very soon.
He is talking about what happened in Carlos and Charlie's
the night that Natalee disappeared. Says that there is
a back bar at C&Cs and that Natalee was steered to that
bar at last call. He had a friend monitor that bar on several
nights in succession. At last call guy would order two drinks
bartender would pour two drinks normally and would then reach
to a shelf over his head and pour a clear substance into one of
the drinks.
He was very disappointed that the three judge panel extended
the time for Joran's lawyer to argue the case. They do not
expect a ruling before the end of the week, even though they
are saying Wednesday.
Dave says that common sense tells him that they put Natalee
in the water.
[ Bericht 14% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 12-02-2008 06:00:14 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
lolquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:51 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry that I wrecked it, I just had the last fr... post......sorry
no prob.
Off-topic.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:57 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Well, i'm almost of to the B/G i still cn't say bed or gfriend..but at liest it' good and warm..
***** Kraak.....
I'm coming to a serious point now and sorry it's not on tpic.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 06:00 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraak: I'm tired what about you...
***** Kraak.....
Dutch Crew aboard the Persistence (Video)
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
[ Bericht 36% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 06:31:41 ]
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
[ Bericht 36% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 06:31:41 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
eenvandaag ned1 18:20 - 18:50quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 06:16 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Dutch Crew aboard the Persistence (Video)
http://tinyurl.com/22cjbd
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I posted in the last thread these poor guys were sick,the sea's were 12 feet and very rough!
right at the end of the preview she mentions: 'corruption'
i am glad dutch media are starting to pick up on more sides of this.
not just that disgusting car-tape.
de Telegraaf is also the first newspaper to mention cover-up and removed an article with misinformation of the Aruban OM.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
No problem! I realize this is all new to you guys,and it is a lot of information. I really hope you guys had a chance to read the things I posted..quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 05:08 schreef I.B het volgende:
Sorry for the mix-up Observer.. I don't get the bloody mattrass.. they say it's dog's blood because Joran killed one with a paintgun (I really wanna know if this was on purpose) but how could the shirt be involved in the case? If it was then Joran, the Kalpoe-brothers or Natalee had to wear this on that night but then everyone or at least her girlfriends would have seen it.. and that's not the case otherwise this would be really important evidence in the case.
We don't know if that Mattress was involved,it was saturated with dogs blood on the southern part of the island and found just a few days after NH went missing. We know Joran killed his own dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs also. Within 3 hours they said it was not related and it only had dogs blood. This was the same day they falsely arrested two innocent men and attempted to frame them to lead the investigation away from the real perps.
The VCB shirt,we are told had forensic evidence on it linked to this case. That company VCB is a security company owned by GVC'S Father who runs the camera's at the Holiday Inn where Natalee dissapeared and many of the casino's and Govt bldgs in Aruba. They also run the Visibilty team or beach patrol around the island that works with the police. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested in this case and suspected of being involved . He was good friends of Michael Dompig who is Commissioners Dompigs son. It has been reported he worked for the beach patrol when Natalee went missing. Also some other strange things about this guy,like he got totally weird with a tourist when she mentioned Natalee..I forget it all at the moment but she went to the FBI because his actions were so strange. I posted more on GVC here at FOK in the other threads.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
When I was doing research a few months back I noticed one of the searchers looks just like him.
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Police will not say whether Van Cromvoirt is a possible suspect or a witness. It is Beth's hope that in any event, the teen taken into custody can shed some new light on what happened the night Natalee was last seen. Details continue to emerge about Van Cromvoirt's possible link to Natalee. He was a security guard at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying in Aruba, and he helped search the beaches after her disappearance. What's even more stunning is that Van Cromvoirt's father is in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.
http://www.insideedition.(...)ory.aspx?storyid=144
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The AD reported this a mere 20 minutes ago:
Blood possibly the reason for arrest
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
ORANJESTAD - There seems to be a connection to the find of a shirt with evidence of blood shortly after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the arrest of a 19 year old man.
The suspect, Godfried van C. that was arrested on Aruba last saturday, works for his father's security company VCB Security. The logo of that company was found an a shirt, that was found after an extensive search of the island, on june 6th last year. The shirt had blood-spatters on it.
A police-detective announced that find almost a year ago to journalists. He at that time said that the shirt was impounded for further investigations. What that investigation produced was never made public.
The police had already talked to the suspect, who's parents are dutch, last june but at that moment he was just a witness. On information received after the transmission of Opsporing Verzocht, the police re-interviewed the man, after which he was placed under arrest.
A judge-commissioner will today determine if the DA has sufficient grounds to keep Van C. in jail.
Source: Algemeen Dagblad.
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MSNBC Video: GVC:Criminal Offences that may relate to Natalee Holloway and also offences related to illegal narcotics.
The attorney for Joran Van Der SLoot has seen documents that the t-shirt found on the beach is believed to be GVC'S and it may contain some forensic evidence.
In other vidoes it said they watched him for a very long time before he was arrested. That VCB Shirt was found early June 2005 why was he allowed to be part of the search teams looking for evidence if he was already under suspicions?
http://tinyurl.com/2f487l
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April 17, 2006
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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April 17, 2006 ABC GVC arrest
GVC a teenager who worked for a private security firm patroling beaches. Police have been watching him and the area he patrols for some time now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrzQ-k4pR9w
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http://tinyurl.com/2yccuw
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GVC stuff from Joran's book >
- Arrested 4 days after broadcast of OV (Opsporing Verzoht).
- Public Prosecutor announces GVC suspected due to "facts that can be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and of drugs trade."
- GVC states in SBS6 interview that he is suspected of murder, manslaughter and rape.
- Utrect Police spokeswoman Mieke Kort says GVC arrest not related to OV program.
- GVC and sister (ALE) tried out for parts in OV, only sister selected.
- GVC's father a cop for 20 yrs in Breda, started VCB (video camera security systems) in 1998, moved to Aruba in 1999.
- GVC works for water sports company. During slow period worked as beach guard for Visibility Team (Aug - Dec).
- De Telegraaf reports (4/20/06) that the beaches were the 'hunting grounds' of GVC and Michael Dompig.
- GVC's father responds to 'unconfirmed' bloody t-shirt report that the shirt could have come from anywhere, and that "in those days twice a VCB shirt has been stolen from a clothes-line."
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GVC picture with Steve Croes
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 07:33:09 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The guy with the glasses, that's the guy wich was sketched.
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
there are forces at work here.....
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Haha..Yes exact match!! That is (ch)Jeremy Croes/Jerry Strawberry.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:19 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
The guy with the glasses, that's the guy wich was sketched.
From the female tourist wich was harrast on the beach 9 day before Natalee/jorans incident
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Shango...is a spider that produces a specif type a web.....
then it can become more clear what he's saying
then it can become more clear what he's saying
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:24 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
there are forces at work here.....
Personally i think it's drugstraffic. There a lot of money there with money comes power and corruption.
a lot Stire the entire Island Put them on notice, Listing to ALL data coming in and going out of the island. See wat comes up.
there is lot at stake.
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba (dated 1996)
and the funny thing is: justice minister Hirsch Ballin resigned in 1994 because of the IRT-affair.
(in sort: justice department involved in smuggling drugs - very large botched sting operation)
http://nl.wikipedia.org/w(...)e_opsporingsmethoden
and guess what: who is now justice minister: Hirsch Ballin AGAIN!
end of the week he is also going to Antillen - Aruba probably not - he and Croes hate eachothers guts.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
Antilles in epicenter cocaine business
WILLEMSTAD – ‘The Neth.Antilles is in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business’, states a joint report of the Office Drugs and Crime of the United Nations and the Latin-American and Caribbean region of the World Bank: ‘Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean’, which was published yesterday. A special case study of the Neth.Antilles is included in the report.
The persons that produced the 223-page report had two reasons for dedicating 12 pages to the case study of the Neth.Antilles. First, the Neth.Antilles is one of the Caribbean countries that are being afflicted the most by drug smuggling, and worldwide, it has the highest ‘volume of cocaine per inhabitant’. “About one-hundred times more cocaine per inhabitant was confiscated in 2004 than in the United States; more than 9 ton or a little less than 50 gram per each man, woman, and child on the islands. Approximately 60 percent of all intercepted cocaine in the Caribbean was confiscated in the Neth.Antilles; these figures increased enormously between 2001 and 2004.”
Second, the government of the Neth.Antilles, in cooperation with the Dutch government, has perused an innovative and successful policy in order to drive back the cocaine supply.
The researchers say that the big drug catch can not only be attributed to the enormous transit, but also to the good tracing on sea as well as at the airport. “The Neth.Antilles is unique in their geographical vulnerability, especially as regards the maritime traffic. In a way they form Europe’s (and to a lesser degree the United States ) first line of drug smuggling via sea from the Venezuelan coast. The high drug catch figures are mainly a product of excellent police work and must be praised and not judged”, the report states.
CRIMINALITY
As violence and violent threats regulate transactions in this market, the drug smuggling is interrelated with significant increase of criminality, acts of violence and the use of firearms in particular. What’s more, drug smuggling is being associated with money laundering practices, arms smuggling, and corruption. Drug usage is being associated with increased violent criminality as well as several types of robbery. “The Neth.Antillean authorities estimate that 75 percent of the criminality on the islands is drug related.”
The Neth.Antilles has not always been in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business, states the report. “A few things have changed recently. Crime control has made it less likely to ship drugs directly from Colombia and more likely to ship them via another country, especially Venezuela . Curaçao, Bonaire, and Aruba are between a big part of the Venezuelan coast and the rest of the world. There is in addition a lot of commercial sea traffic between Venezuela and the Neth.Antilles, which can serve as a front for the drug transportation and the continuation from there via sea or air.” Another reason that the report produces is that the Neth.Antilles is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands . “While the use of cocaine has dropped in the US since the nineties, it has increased in Europe .” There is also a big group of potential couriers in the Antilles due to the high unemployment figures.
GEOGRAPHICALLY
Despite their diversity, the Caribbean countries share their geographical position in the world’s biggest drug smuggling zone. South-America produces almost all the cocaine, of which 88 percent is sold in the US and Europe . This market was good for 70 milliard dollars in 2003, while the gross domestic product of the entire Caribbean was 31.5 milliard dollars in 2004, compares the report and so indicates how big the economic importance of drugs is. “The value of the drug flow through the region might some day exceed the value of the total legal economy.”
Antilles in epicenter cocaine business
WILLEMSTAD – ‘The Neth.Antilles is in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business’, states a joint report of the Office Drugs and Crime of the United Nations and the Latin-American and Caribbean region of the World Bank: ‘Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean’, which was published yesterday. A special case study of the Neth.Antilles is included in the report.
The persons that produced the 223-page report had two reasons for dedicating 12 pages to the case study of the Neth.Antilles. First, the Neth.Antilles is one of the Caribbean countries that are being afflicted the most by drug smuggling, and worldwide, it has the highest ‘volume of cocaine per inhabitant’. “About one-hundred times more cocaine per inhabitant was confiscated in 2004 than in the United States; more than 9 ton or a little less than 50 gram per each man, woman, and child on the islands. Approximately 60 percent of all intercepted cocaine in the Caribbean was confiscated in the Neth.Antilles; these figures increased enormously between 2001 and 2004.”
Second, the government of the Neth.Antilles, in cooperation with the Dutch government, has perused an innovative and successful policy in order to drive back the cocaine supply.
The researchers say that the big drug catch can not only be attributed to the enormous transit, but also to the good tracing on sea as well as at the airport. “The Neth.Antilles is unique in their geographical vulnerability, especially as regards the maritime traffic. In a way they form Europe’s (and to a lesser degree the United States ) first line of drug smuggling via sea from the Venezuelan coast. The high drug catch figures are mainly a product of excellent police work and must be praised and not judged”, the report states.
CRIMINALITY
As violence and violent threats regulate transactions in this market, the drug smuggling is interrelated with significant increase of criminality, acts of violence and the use of firearms in particular. What’s more, drug smuggling is being associated with money laundering practices, arms smuggling, and corruption. Drug usage is being associated with increased violent criminality as well as several types of robbery. “The Neth.Antillean authorities estimate that 75 percent of the criminality on the islands is drug related.”
The Neth.Antilles has not always been in the epicenter of the worldwide cocaine business, states the report. “A few things have changed recently. Crime control has made it less likely to ship drugs directly from Colombia and more likely to ship them via another country, especially Venezuela . Curaçao, Bonaire, and Aruba are between a big part of the Venezuelan coast and the rest of the world. There is in addition a lot of commercial sea traffic between Venezuela and the Neth.Antilles, which can serve as a front for the drug transportation and the continuation from there via sea or air.” Another reason that the report produces is that the Neth.Antilles is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands . “While the use of cocaine has dropped in the US since the nineties, it has increased in Europe .” There is also a big group of potential couriers in the Antilles due to the high unemployment figures.
GEOGRAPHICALLY
Despite their diversity, the Caribbean countries share their geographical position in the world’s biggest drug smuggling zone. South-America produces almost all the cocaine, of which 88 percent is sold in the US and Europe . This market was good for 70 milliard dollars in 2003, while the gross domestic product of the entire Caribbean was 31.5 milliard dollars in 2004, compares the report and so indicates how big the economic importance of drugs is. “The value of the drug flow through the region might some day exceed the value of the total legal economy.”
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I know the IRT afair back in 1994.
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I wish they had one connection to the whitehouse..Then maybe that stinken Govt would help a little. It's just more dis-information because the cover up in Aruba runs to the very top. It's just like the ATA members on the internet accusing us of making money of the holloway case.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:56 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
I know the IRT afair back in 1994.
How far do the holoways reach into the white house? if at all (not sure about that info)
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
'Juiste mensen moeten achter tralies'
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
[WEBLOG ARUBA] Weinig Arubanen houden zich tot op de dag van vandaag bezig met zoeken naar Natalee Holloway. Zakenman Eduardo Mansur is zo’n uitzondering.
afbeelding vergroten Natalee Holloway op het strand van Aruba.
Hij helpt de familie Holloway waar hij kan. Hij fungeert als een makelaar tussen de Arubaanse contacten die er toe doen en Amerikaanse zoekteams of privé-detectives die namens de Holloways Aruba aandoen.
Mansur houdt kantoor in zijn bar in Palm Beach, waar alles en iedereen bij elkaar komt. Daar vertelt hij over de begindagen bijna drie jaar geleden. De dagen dat elke tip de gouden tip kon zijn. Toen hij tot drie keer rond het hele eiland heeft gelopen.
Een van de meest memorabele tips kwam van een man die van de vuilnisbelt leefde. ,,Hij vertelde dat hij had gezien hoe mensen iets opgerold in een tapijt op de vuilnisbelt hadden gedumpt. Hij had blond haar gezien en was er zeker van dat het Natalee was.’’ Na dertig dagen vuil spitten, vond Mansur het tapijt, met daarin opgerold een palmboom. ,,De man had de palmbladeren voor Natalee’s haar aangezien. Hij was toen waarschijnlijk onder invloed van drugs.’’
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’
De Arubaan heeft grijze haren van de zaak gekregen. Waarom gaat hij toch door? ,,Ik wil dat het afgelopen is. Dat de familie deze tragedie kan afsluiten. Ik wil hen hun dochter teruggeven. En ik wil dat de juiste mensen achter de tralies belanden: Joran, zijn vader, de genius achter deze cover-up, en wat dirty cops.’’
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
[WEBLOG ARUBA] Weinig Arubanen houden zich tot op de dag van vandaag bezig met zoeken naar Natalee Holloway. Zakenman Eduardo Mansur is zo’n uitzondering.
afbeelding vergroten Natalee Holloway op het strand van Aruba.
Hij helpt de familie Holloway waar hij kan. Hij fungeert als een makelaar tussen de Arubaanse contacten die er toe doen en Amerikaanse zoekteams of privé-detectives die namens de Holloways Aruba aandoen.
Mansur houdt kantoor in zijn bar in Palm Beach, waar alles en iedereen bij elkaar komt. Daar vertelt hij over de begindagen bijna drie jaar geleden. De dagen dat elke tip de gouden tip kon zijn. Toen hij tot drie keer rond het hele eiland heeft gelopen.
Een van de meest memorabele tips kwam van een man die van de vuilnisbelt leefde. ,,Hij vertelde dat hij had gezien hoe mensen iets opgerold in een tapijt op de vuilnisbelt hadden gedumpt. Hij had blond haar gezien en was er zeker van dat het Natalee was.’’ Na dertig dagen vuil spitten, vond Mansur het tapijt, met daarin opgerold een palmboom. ,,De man had de palmbladeren voor Natalee’s haar aangezien. Hij was toen waarschijnlijk onder invloed van drugs.’’
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’
De Arubaan heeft grijze haren van de zaak gekregen. Waarom gaat hij toch door? ,,Ik wil dat het afgelopen is. Dat de familie deze tragedie kan afsluiten. Ik wil hen hun dochter teruggeven. En ik wil dat de juiste mensen achter de tralies belanden: Joran, zijn vader, de genius achter deze cover-up, en wat dirty cops.’’
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So just because I said 'get a life', I'm adding wrong information? I guess you smell a conspiracy behind everything!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 22:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I just love when hypocrits come here and add nothing but wrong information and attack good people trying to help a country,a murdered girl and victims. Talk about the need for getting a life!!
PWBF
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
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NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 09:42:54 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The presentor already lies in the first 6 seconds of the video, but we'll see what the rest of it brings.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 09:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
http://www.youtube.com/user/gensing7000
PWBF
A cute little white girl and a negro!
White Neocon America's favourite victim and criminal in one programme!
White Neocon America's favourite victim and criminal in one programme!
PWBF
I just can't imagine this tbh. How can people, especially those whose job it is, mix a human arm with the leg of a pelican? Either it wasn't a human bone, or the Venezuelian Gov. is involved too..quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 08:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Different approach, shango capicola was discovered bij Strand in 1909, maybe "strand" refers to the person behind shango.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:35 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Shango...is a spider that produces a specif type a web.....
then it can become more clear what he's saying
Capa del satén blanco, Cuerpo del acero, Corazón del oro.
The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 07:10 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No problem! I realize this is all new to you guys,and it is a lot of information. I really hope you guys had a chance to read the things I posted..
We don't know if that Mattress was involved,it was saturated with dogs blood on the southern part of the island and found just a few days after NH went missing. We know Joran killed his own dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs also. Within 3 hours they said it was not related and it only had dogs blood. This was the same day they falsely arrested two innocent men and attempted to frame them to lead the investigation away from the real perps.
The VCB shirt,we are told had forensic evidence on it linked to this case. That company VCB is a security company owned by GVC'S Father who runs the camera's at the Holiday Inn where Natalee dissapeared and many of the casino's and Govt bldgs in Aruba. They also run the Visibilty team or beach patrol around the island that works with the police. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested in this case and suspected of being involved . He was good friends of Michael Dompig who is Commissioners Dompigs son. It has been reported he worked for the beach patrol when Natalee went missing. Also some other strange things about this guy,like he got totally weird with a tourist when she mentioned Natalee..I forget it all at the moment but she went to the FBI because his actions were so strange. I posted more on GVC here at FOK in the other threads.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
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When I was doing research a few months back I noticed one of the searchers looks just like him.
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Police will not say whether Van Cromvoirt is a possible suspect or a witness. It is Beth's hope that in any event, the teen taken into custody can shed some new light on what happened the night Natalee was last seen. Details continue to emerge about Van Cromvoirt's possible link to Natalee. He was a security guard at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying in Aruba, and he helped search the beaches after her disappearance. What's even more stunning is that Van Cromvoirt's father is in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.
http://www.insideedition.(...)ory.aspx?storyid=144
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The AD reported this a mere 20 minutes ago:
Blood possibly the reason for arrest
Door MAAIKE RUEPERT
ORANJESTAD - There seems to be a connection to the find of a shirt with evidence of blood shortly after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the arrest of a 19 year old man.
The suspect, Godfried van C. that was arrested on Aruba last saturday, works for his father's security company VCB Security. The logo of that company was found an a shirt, that was found after an extensive search of the island, on june 6th last year. The shirt had blood-spatters on it.
A police-detective announced that find almost a year ago to journalists. He at that time said that the shirt was impounded for further investigations. What that investigation produced was never made public.
The police had already talked to the suspect, who's parents are dutch, last june but at that moment he was just a witness. On information received after the transmission of Opsporing Verzocht, the police re-interviewed the man, after which he was placed under arrest.
A judge-commissioner will today determine if the DA has sufficient grounds to keep Van C. in jail.
Source: Algemeen Dagblad.
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MSNBC Video: GVC:Criminal Offences that may relate to Natalee Holloway and also offences related to illegal narcotics.
The attorney for Joran Van Der SLoot has seen documents that the t-shirt found on the beach is believed to be GVC'S and it may contain some forensic evidence.
In other vidoes it said they watched him for a very long time before he was arrested. That VCB Shirt was found early June 2005 why was he allowed to be part of the search teams looking for evidence if he was already under suspicions?
http://tinyurl.com/2f487l
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April 17, 2006
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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April 17, 2006 ABC GVC arrest
GVC a teenager who worked for a private security firm patroling beaches. Police have been watching him and the area he patrols for some time now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrzQ-k4pR9w
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http://tinyurl.com/2yccuw
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GVC stuff from Joran's book >
- Arrested 4 days after broadcast of OV (Opsporing Verzoht).
- Public Prosecutor announces GVC suspected due to "facts that can be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and of drugs trade."
- GVC states in SBS6 interview that he is suspected of murder, manslaughter and rape.
- Utrect Police spokeswoman Mieke Kort says GVC arrest not related to OV program.
- GVC and sister (ALE) tried out for parts in OV, only sister selected.
- GVC's father a cop for 20 yrs in Breda, started VCB (video camera security systems) in 1998, moved to Aruba in 1999.
- GVC works for water sports company. During slow period worked as beach guard for Visibility Team (Aug - Dec).
- De Telegraaf reports (4/20/06) that the beaches were the 'hunting grounds' of GVC and Michael Dompig.
- GVC's father responds to 'unconfirmed' bloody t-shirt report that the shirt could have come from anywhere, and that "in those days twice a VCB shirt has been stolen from a clothes-line."
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GVC picture with Steve Croes
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Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
The GVC picture with Steve Croes,
I doubt that is GVC on that photo. Looks like another guy.
And since long it's clear that GVC had nothing to do with the case.
I doubt that is GVC on that photo. Looks like another guy.
And since long it's clear that GVC had nothing to do with the case.
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
Welk meisje? Enige die ik kan bedenken was die duitse van die gast prikopil die zelfmoord pleegde. Natasha kampsuugh ofzo.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:20 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
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In Part 2quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 09:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
You guys have to watch this video!!!!!
NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
8.15 Jug says Beth showed pic of Natalee to Joran and asked him, have you seen this girl and Joran said: no never seen this girl in my life? When was that? The first time they met Joran at his house? Or did they met before that?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
On Aruba?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:20 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
hahaa my english is not very well hihihi
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
No there was a girl missing 7 years ago Amy Bradley she also went to C&C....quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:27 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Welk meisje? Enige die ik kan bedenken was die duitse van die gast prikopil die zelfmoord pleegde. Natasha kampsuugh ofzo.
She is already mentioned here on fok
I want to know all the information maybe there's a link between the too of them..does anybody already searched this?????????????
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
thats new for me. Observer?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:36 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
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No there was a girl missing 7 years ago Amy Bradley she also went to C&C....
She is already mentioned here on fok
I want to know all the information maybe there's a link between the too of them..does anybody already searched this?????????????
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Yesss she was missing on Aruba....
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
hehhe Observer nows for sure.....
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Amy Lynn Bradley (born May 12, 1974) is an American citizen who went missing during a Caribbean cruise. She has never been found. Amy, her parents, and her brother were vacationing on the Royal Caribbean International cruise ship Rhapsody of the Seas. At 5:30am on March 24, 1998, Amy's brother, Bradley, left his sister sitting on the outdoor balcony and entered his cabin. Amy was seen a short time later by other passengers riding in the ship's elevator with a member of the ship's band, Blue Orchid, known by the alias "Yellow." The ship was en route to Curaçao, Antilles at the time Amy was last seen. The ship docked in Curaçao shortly after Amy was discovered missing. Extensive searches on the ship and at sea produced no signs of Amy's whereabouts.
Police investigated and discarded many theories regarding Amy's disappearance. It is unlikely that she fell overboard and drowned, given that she was a trained lifeguard and the ship was close to shore at the time of her disappearance. It is also considered unlikely that Amy voluntarily disappeared to start a new life. She had recently graduated from college and was anticipating starting a new job when she returned to her home in Chesterfield County, Virginia.
There were possible sightings of Amy in Curaçao in 1998 and 1999. Two Canadian tourists reported seeing a woman resembling Amy on a beach in Curaçao in 1998. The woman's tattoos were identical to Amy's. In 1999 an American sailor reported that he went to a brothel on Curaçao and was approached by a young woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar escorted her upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the witness reported this to police several months later, the brothel had burned down.
An image of her that was emailed to her parents was shown on the Dr. Phil show, and it suggests that she was sold into sexual slavery.
There is a $250,000 reward for information leading to Amy's return.
Police investigated and discarded many theories regarding Amy's disappearance. It is unlikely that she fell overboard and drowned, given that she was a trained lifeguard and the ship was close to shore at the time of her disappearance. It is also considered unlikely that Amy voluntarily disappeared to start a new life. She had recently graduated from college and was anticipating starting a new job when she returned to her home in Chesterfield County, Virginia.
There were possible sightings of Amy in Curaçao in 1998 and 1999. Two Canadian tourists reported seeing a woman resembling Amy on a beach in Curaçao in 1998. The woman's tattoos were identical to Amy's. In 1999 an American sailor reported that he went to a brothel on Curaçao and was approached by a young woman. She told him her name was Amy Bradley and asked for his help. At this point, two men in the bar escorted her upstairs. Unfortunately, by the time the witness reported this to police several months later, the brothel had burned down.
An image of her that was emailed to her parents was shown on the Dr. Phil show, and it suggests that she was sold into sexual slavery.
There is a $250,000 reward for information leading to Amy's return.
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I'm missing something here? She was missing on aruba? From what I've just read, she was on a cruise ship in the Caribbean sea... not on the island.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:44 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
Yesss she was missing on Aruba....
Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.
Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143921/
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AUBquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:48 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:
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The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?
Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article279786.ece
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
We get back on the boat. We're there that afternoon. That evening, one of the waiters came up to us as we were in the atrium. He specifically asked for Amy by name. I asked him why he wanted Amy. He said because we want to take her to a bar.
And I said, "She's with her brother in the casino." So when they came out, we told her about the waiter wanting to take her off of the ship. And she screwed her mouth up and said, "No way, that's too creepy." We suggested being in a foreign country that they not leave the ship. We came to find out that the same bar that they wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in.
http://creditboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104669
And I said, "She's with her brother in the casino." So when they came out, we told her about the waiter wanting to take her off of the ship. And she screwed her mouth up and said, "No way, that's too creepy." We suggested being in a foreign country that they not leave the ship. We came to find out that the same bar that they wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in.
http://creditboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104669
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
mighty googlequote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef Super_Girl het volgende:
hehhe Observer nows for sure.....
But my question is...there is not much information about the girl...or does anybody has more information
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bradley_amy.html
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
So? That doesn't proof anything of course. It's weird, but no more then that
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haha of course it doesn't prove anything... but it's something too keep in mind
It's called the past, cause I'm getting past and I ain't nothing like I was before. You ought to see me now.
yeah, well... I don't know.
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
Before you know people will say that the bijlmerramp was planned by our queen
don't get me wrong, some things or just not right/ very strange in this case. But I can't believe the whole arubian authorities are behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
Before you know people will say that the bijlmerramp was planned by our queen
don't get me wrong, some things or just not right/ very strange in this case. But I can't believe the whole arubian authorities are behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
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Does anybody know which information there's about the girl that's missing 7 years ago...I googled it but it wasn't much....
je kan het op in de rebound 3 of 4 vinden Super girl
je kan het op in de rebound 3 of 4 vinden Super girl
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
And it keeps being just strange because we don't know ALL the details.. it's an island so it isn't hard to connect everyone to eachother. This is such a mediacircus I wouldn't find it weird if they don't tell us all of the evidence or whatever they are searching for because it's still a case.. if they tell everything they find they just tell the person/persons who know what happend to Natalee what to expect. Correct me if I'm wrong
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
No, in fact she is not a complete liar:quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrkgdT3tFXU&feature=related
5.23
Voiceover: She (Natalee) probably know she stayed in the crackhouse on the island. But nobody knows this. She wants to leave the island unnoticed
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePgAfcmjH8E&feature=related
at 2.25
Voiceover: The family went to the crackhouse to pick up Natalee
Renfro: The plan was to go into the house, to pay the money, to get Natalee and of course we knew that the Medjet plane was already waiting and we had a route to get to the airport so that she could leave right away, immediately.
Voiceover: The things went differently according to Renfro. Natalee's family member could not control themselves and stormed the crackhouse.
Renfro: There was a group of approx. 12 people from Alabama that were with us trying to locate Natalee and one them desided that the would pre-jump the wall and the whole street went crazy.
And yes, there is some truth behind this story, Jug said himself on Nancy Grace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
at 5.49
Jug: Absolutely, cause they knew she was dead, probably the second day. You know my friends went down there with me. We went to all the crackhouses, just kicking down the doors.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
