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Is iemand hier bekend mee? Heeft iemand dit helemaal gevolgd?
Ik heb wel eerdere posts in andere topics gezien, maar zoek eigenlijk het hele verhaal (gelieve gedecodeerd en als het even kan in het nederlands). Heb het verhaal gelezen en het gaat vrij diep en klinkt niet onlogisch.
Ik heb wel eerdere posts in andere topics gezien, maar zoek eigenlijk het hele verhaal (gelieve gedecodeerd en als het even kan in het nederlands). Heb het verhaal gelezen en het gaat vrij diep en klinkt niet onlogisch.
Toen Natalee vermist bleek waren er verschillende websites waarop ene Shango diverse tips gaf over haar verdwijning. Of het hier slechts om hints ging of speculaties is nog de vraag, maar het werd wel opgemerkt. Simian is een ander net als shango. Ze waren zeer cryptische in hun geschriften, en Natalee vader eist van hen om naar voeren te treden. Hun posts lijken uit Florida te komen. Wie is Shango en wie is Simian en hoeveel weten zij en wat is hun opzet met hun "cryptoscript".
Er word gesuggereerd dat Steve Cohen achter Shango zit. De berichten van Shango stopten op fora's na Cohens ontslag bij AHATA. Cohens grootmoeder scheen ook Shankist Godin uit San Diego te zijn.
(weet niet zo goed wat ik van die laatste bewering moet vinden)
Ook een leuke van een andere blogger:
De reden waarom de Shango posten mijn interesse wekte was zijn aandringen op "volg de muziek" (follow the music, dit gebruikt hij in zijn cryptische hints. Ik heb Aruba Palace gegoogeld en vond de songtekst van een oud liedje over feesten bij de Aruba Palace, weer googled en kwam erachter dat dit de naam was van een casino bij de Aruba Americana Hotel, ook kwam ik erachter dat Americana en de bijbehorden casino Palace Casino naast de Wyndham (Old Hilton) bevinden én de Americana was een "OUDE" Hotel en heet nu The Occidental Allegro. BINGO!
Ik heb zelf niet de kans gehad om dit zelf te googlen, maar als dit klopt is het ook wel errug interessant.
(weet niet zo goed wat ik van die laatste bewering moet vinden)
Ook een leuke van een andere blogger:
De reden waarom de Shango posten mijn interesse wekte was zijn aandringen op "volg de muziek" (follow the music, dit gebruikt hij in zijn cryptische hints. Ik heb Aruba Palace gegoogeld en vond de songtekst van een oud liedje over feesten bij de Aruba Palace, weer googled en kwam erachter dat dit de naam was van een casino bij de Aruba Americana Hotel, ook kwam ik erachter dat Americana en de bijbehorden casino Palace Casino naast de Wyndham (Old Hilton) bevinden én de Americana was een "OUDE" Hotel en heet nu The Occidental Allegro. BINGO!
Ik heb zelf niet de kans gehad om dit zelf te googlen, maar als dit klopt is het ook wel errug interessant.
ik heb er ook over gelezen op scaredmonkeys.net
maar ik kan het niet echt goed op waarde schatten.
ik dacht eerst dat het een orakel ofzoiets was. weet nog steeds niet wat precies de achtergrond hier van is.
heb wel het idee dat door de vaagheid van de teksten vele interpretaties mogelijk zijn waardoor velen theorieen kunnen lijken te passen in die verzen.
maar ik kan het niet echt goed op waarde schatten.
ik dacht eerst dat het een orakel ofzoiets was. weet nog steeds niet wat precies de achtergrond hier van is.
heb wel het idee dat door de vaagheid van de teksten vele interpretaties mogelijk zijn waardoor velen theorieen kunnen lijken te passen in die verzen.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Eindelijk een reactie!
Ik weet niet waarom maar ik blijf maar haken bij die shango. Hij gaf, weliswaar cryptisch, toch feiten weer die pas later in de media bekend werden.
Het zou naar mijn idee best, zoals ik al eerder hier ergens heb gelezen, dat Joran een verkeerde deal heeft gemaakt tijdens een event/feest (in de Allegro?, die werd destijds verbouwd, maar het casino was wel open en wie weet waren bepaalde kamers wel beschikbaar voor privéfeesten) en daarmee Natalee moest af staan aan de drugshandelaren en corrupte hoge pieten. Deze wisten echter niets van de achtergrond van Natalee en moesten haar kwijt zien te raken toen ze eenmaal wel haar achtergrond kenden.
Joran kan dit niet vrijgeven als info, omdat hij hiermee vele hoge pieten schaadt, dus is hij opgedragen om als zondebok op te treden, al hoewel niet geheel onschuldig.
puur speculaties en input van andere theorien hoor, maar het zou niet de eerste doofpotverhaal zijn.
Het blijft vreemd als je naar de personen kijkt;
van straaten was, corrigeer mij als ik het mis heb, een advocaat
Ben King, de advocaat van Joran destijds (ook aan bod gekomen in de eerste aflevering van PRdV die wel/niet een gesprek wilde met de officier van justitie en later ontkende???)
Steve Cohen, alias Shengo??? en insider van dit verhaal?
Paul van der Sloot
Steven Croes, eerder verdachte en ook een bekende in de arubaanse onderwereld, joran verklaarde deze man niet te kennen maar is wel samen met hem op foto's te vinden.
Lorenzo van RIjn, vermeende halfbroer van Joran en ook bekend in de onderwereld én.... vermist!
Shango's riddle zou wel een hele andere draai hieraan geven.
En mijn eigen raadsel?
Om 01.00 reden ze bij de disco weg. Om 02.30 zou joran weer thuis zijn geweest. Wát kan er in die 1,5 uur zijn gebeurd.
Ik weet niet waarom maar ik blijf maar haken bij die shango. Hij gaf, weliswaar cryptisch, toch feiten weer die pas later in de media bekend werden.
Het zou naar mijn idee best, zoals ik al eerder hier ergens heb gelezen, dat Joran een verkeerde deal heeft gemaakt tijdens een event/feest (in de Allegro?, die werd destijds verbouwd, maar het casino was wel open en wie weet waren bepaalde kamers wel beschikbaar voor privéfeesten) en daarmee Natalee moest af staan aan de drugshandelaren en corrupte hoge pieten. Deze wisten echter niets van de achtergrond van Natalee en moesten haar kwijt zien te raken toen ze eenmaal wel haar achtergrond kenden.
Joran kan dit niet vrijgeven als info, omdat hij hiermee vele hoge pieten schaadt, dus is hij opgedragen om als zondebok op te treden, al hoewel niet geheel onschuldig.
puur speculaties en input van andere theorien hoor, maar het zou niet de eerste doofpotverhaal zijn.
Het blijft vreemd als je naar de personen kijkt;
van straaten was, corrigeer mij als ik het mis heb, een advocaat
Ben King, de advocaat van Joran destijds (ook aan bod gekomen in de eerste aflevering van PRdV die wel/niet een gesprek wilde met de officier van justitie en later ontkende???)
Steve Cohen, alias Shengo??? en insider van dit verhaal?
Paul van der Sloot
Steven Croes, eerder verdachte en ook een bekende in de arubaanse onderwereld, joran verklaarde deze man niet te kennen maar is wel samen met hem op foto's te vinden.
Lorenzo van RIjn, vermeende halfbroer van Joran en ook bekend in de onderwereld én.... vermist!
Shango's riddle zou wel een hele andere draai hieraan geven.
En mijn eigen raadsel?
Om 01.00 reden ze bij de disco weg. Om 02.30 zou joran weer thuis zijn geweest. Wát kan er in die 1,5 uur zijn gebeurd.
ook maar een tvp
Yvonne riep ergens: Static is gewoon Static, je leeft met hem of niet.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
dikekm onzin dit. Lekker overdreven allemaal. Hoge Pieten..... die term zegt al dat dit flauwekul is.
Shango's raadsel.
Deze site geeft de posts mét vertalingen weer van wat Shango te vertellen had.
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01002&read=6937
Deze site geeft de posts mét vertalingen weer van wat Shango te vertellen had.
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01002&read=6937
Voor wie de vertaalde versie alleen wilt lezen:
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bron: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190
1: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
A dishonest, corrupt Dutch official on the island has a lot to lose if the depths of the seedy Aruban night life are discovered.
2: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian,
older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?
Shango
Perhaps someone will crack. Keep pressure on the three held so far to implicate the real suspects.
3: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The P.M. does not want any impartial, honest investigators involved in this because of the cover-up, not American or from the Netherlands. It seems tha tthere have been political pressures between Aruba and the Hague for awhile now the Hague wants the drug and rave scene cleaned up, but the Arubans distrust intrusion, and stand a lot to lose it seems. Ref. http://www2.rnw.nl/rnw/en/currentaffairs/region/southamerica /ant040113.html?view=
4: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian
Why didn t the Dutch officials use the initial FBI agents more? If they had, this would be closer to being solved!
5: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian,
The P.M. did not grant the powers or assign the tasks the Americans (FBI) expected, and he never intended to. The truth is hidden.
6: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian,
The P.M. did not let the Aruban investigators do what they needed as well (the delay in arrests perhaps)? The search can only be completed by Americans and the Holloways, but they were stymied by misinformation and false leads planted by the corrupt authorities. Why was Natalee never found? The searchers were directed to all the wrong places!
7: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian
Any evidence found in the suspects vehicles after it was washed later that night will not stand up in court. Only determined Americans can finally solve this mystery. Will the truth ever be known?
8: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
The Arubans should pressure the Netherlands for more outside help.
The Americans have been looking far from where Natalee is, and she is hidden from them.
The volunteers can t rely on the American searchers now (they have been misled)
The Arubans need to question DJ Croes again. He was released way too soon.
9: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The Aruban officials knew the Dutch officials on the island would deliberately botch the investigation and wouldn t do any good.
The Americans and the volunteers looked in all the wrong places.
10: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
Paulus Van Der Sloot waived his right to not testify against Joren because he is untouchable either way
He needs to tell all he knows or Joren will get fingered for the crime, maybe convicted (to keep the real killers and the web of corruption secret)
11: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Shango suggesting his possible involvement with officials. Again, I bet Shango is an insider to the case
12: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
If Paulus does not come forward honestly, Joren is going down. Silence will not help his son.
The Arubans do not want Americans to think Aruba is a bad place, but the evidence of truth is not to be found. Someone among the Arubans knows what happened as well, but he or she won t step forward.
The Arubans both want the truth to be known, but it would be disaster for the island, especially from the U.S. (I'm not of the same opinion on Paulus he covers his own ass and Jorans. His son is guilty of kidnapping at the least.)
13: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
If this case is too soon forgotten or unchallenged, all of this will blow over. Holloways will be satisfied, the truth will be lost, things (both with tourism and with the corruption) will continue as usual.
14: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
The Americans must do as the Arubans instruct. It has been slow (in tourism?) for a month; the island needs money. The native s source will stay hidden; the scapegoats will keep everyone s attention just fine. All three must be implicated if the P.M. s dirty little secrets are to stay hidden. The truth is probably lost and the second search will be similar to the first, with misinformation and misunderstandings and nothing to show.(I disagree with all 3 being implicated to cover dirtyhands - I see them having to release them as per Shangos following posts - Ringo)
15: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
At one point someone claiming to be Simian was posting as well, but Shango somehow knew which was the real Simian.
16: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
The Arubanss bugged the conversations between Joren and the Kalpoes; they know the boys are actually innocent of Natalee s Murder but are guilty of other things. They also can make sure they are the first to know if one or more thinks about coming clean
17: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Paulus is off the hook now, and he will go on to be judge in Netherlands despite his role in this.
Anything he says could hurt the American role in the investigation; he has contacts
18: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
It is hard to navigate the web of Dutch corruption, but the Aruban s inside source would destroy the island s reputation. A lot of casinos would close because the tourism from the U.S. would stop for a very long time. Somebody must take the fall, because the powers that be and concerned Americans want a quick resolution
19: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
The Kalpoes and Joren will be charged to keep the cover-up going.
Otherwise the tourism will be hurt for a long time. Light the fires? (Again Light the fires as in send a message or warning)
20: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
The Arubans do not like interference from the Netherlands (like the Dutch marines). Everyone knows there are lies upon lies. The economy will be ruined and there will be tension between Aruba and the Netherlands. Light the fires!
21: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
Apparently, the Arawak are the island s native tribe that migrated from the mainland. Hence this name for the Arubans.
22: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
The Aruban officials have control over Joren and the Kalpoes. They can t let Joren tell the truth because it will ruin everything for them. Bad for the economy.
The Americans will buy that the boys are the murderers. The truth is not known, but everyone is content except for unrest in the upper offices of Aruban government. Any fallout from this will be the fault of the Dutch for not stepping in!
23: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:50 pm
If Joren squeals, everyone will watch the results worldwide.
Police Chief Van Der Straaten must not be investigated to keep things covered up. Light the fires!
24: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:53 pm
If Joren squeals, it will hurt the island immensely. If the Americans stay investigating after the trial, the truth will come out (possibly from Van Der Straaten himself somehow), even though damage will be done to Aruba.
25: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If the Americans find out about whatever Van Der Straaten was involved in, the powers that be on the island will fall, and the Dutch reputation will be tarnished. The Americans must be appeased so they accept the lack of real evidence (Natalee s body)
26: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
The Dutch system will have to change to accommodate the American s persistence in investigating the underworld of the island. Better this than the whole thing be exposed. Many mysterious people in that underworld. There must be a trial (of Joren and the Kalpoes)
27: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:02 pm
Do not listen to the news media (does this refer to Fox News and Greta)?
The boys will be tried for this. The Americans (in general, probably not Beth Twitty!) will be happy.
The Dutch system will be intact and no damage will be done to the powers that be on Aruba.
The Americans will leave as soon as a trial is concluded. But there will be indications that something is wrong .
8: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
This is pretty self-explanatory. Usually Shango isn t this straightforward though.
29: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:13 pm
The typical Aruban is is perfectly willing to let this pan out, or else is afraid to come forth(remember, these lions are powerful local officials and drug dealers from the mainland. They are VERY dangerous people) The European Dutch don t really care one way or another. The Americans demand justice!
30: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
Joren knew it was dangerous to deal with certain people on the island; who knows his fate now? Rules have changed, and so has the rave scene (to cover things up)? The truth is lost for Natalee s family; they re kept too close to things, controlled and helpless. Witnesses will not be reliable now. Somebody will have to be tried to spare the embarrassment and those involved in the corruption. The natives don t like Van Der Straaten. The P.M. will remove van Der Straaten soon, but a trial is needed.
31: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:30 pm
A trial will keep the Aruban way of life safe and make the Americans happy. There is a real danger here to the powers that be. The Van Der Sloots do not want Joren to take the fall. They don t care about the island s welfare, but they are afraid of U.S. investigators.
32: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
A trial will certainly make the Americans happy as well as the drug lords. But Dutch integrity is shaken regardless, even if van Der Straaten s role is not revealed.
33: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
There are bad people in every society; even the Americans have self-serving individuals (the media)? If the corruption is revealed, everyone will see it! The natives fear American reaction if corruption is revealed, and so do the Dutch powers on Aruba. If the status quo is to be preserved, it must make the Dutch officials and Aruba look innocent until things die down. The possibility of Van Der Straaten being exposed scares the Arubans too. But bringing the boys to trial will be enough to keep the Americans happy even without any real evidence.
4: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Talking with the powers that be (maybe including Paulus) will not answer any questions or doubts (we re only revealing mysteries, not their answers). The boys must know now that they re going down as scapegoats.
35: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
Keep theories simple, even though it is hard.
36: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:50 pm
How long the boys will languish in trial or jail depends on how quickly the Americans lose interest and go home. At this point I think cowboys is specifically referring to Beth and Jug Twitty as often as not.
37: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arubans won t let Joren be tried if they think he s innocent. Everyone is scared of Van Der Straaten, so a token trial is needed. That way everyone is happy and kept in the dark. I m wondering if Dirty Hand means Van Der Straaten, or the corruption in general.
38: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
The natives want the Americans satisfied, and the Dutch want their integrity maintained. Some Americans (maybe FBI or similar) know something about the corruption, and they will be the key to uncovering this mess. Van Der Straaten will leave his post and his power and influence but with his misdeeds kept secret because of the fake trial.
39: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
The Arubans and Dutch often come to odds, but the Arubans don t want the U.S. to know about any instability for obvious reasons. Again, see above article.
40: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The Dutch have allowed the corruption to get to this point. The Arubans are worried about their livelihood from the Americans; they do not like dealing with the corrupt Dutch officials / Van Der Straaten! He will slink away whenever he gets a chance.
41: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:04 pm
But there will be many more people at the feast, and the cowboys would resent the Arawaks for Babylons interference.
Even if Van Der Straaten is exposed, the boys will be in big trouble for their part. But the Americans will be pissed at the Arubans if they let the corrupt Dutch take control of the situation.
42: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
The P.M. will not ever allow the U.S. full participation, and the truth stays hidden. The Aruban officials hold the boys (Joren and the Kalpoes). Van Der Straaten can destroy the Arubans and the corrupt Dutch officials.
43: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There have been such corrupt individuals for as long as the Dutch have had Aruba
44: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:28 pm
The stage is set as of today: the corruption is well-known on the island at least, there will be charges and trial against the boys, speculation escalates, the media is ready, the Americans are satisfied even without a body. Everyone is afraid of the corruption, both the Arubans and the Dutch. Is my source saying he has to pay informants now?Someone suggested I must go feed the messengers means Shango is leaking information to the media himself. That would explain the anti false information bullsh*t.
45: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:30 pm
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
Yeah, I think Shango must have his own sources when he talks about feeding the messengers. The rest is another reference to the fake Simian.
Out of chronological order:
46: Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
Joren will be charged with Natalee s death, and everyone will eat the trial up.
47: Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
Natalee first got into trouble at the rave, but the truth of this is not easy to discern. This rave was held in a shoddy house or seedy establishment; some have suggested that the party Natalee was taken to was near the old gold mine in Arawaki National Park; see attached photos. Date rape and overdose led to Natalee s death; DNA evidence will surface here.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191
48: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arubans want the Dutch corruption revealed as long as tourism isn t hurt. Aruba s economy may be preserved, but it this will hurt the Netherlands somehow, and blame ultimately lies with them.
49: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
PVDS and Van Der Straaten may not ever be implicated in anything.
50: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not a native Aruban, and for now he will not talk. The Arubans are ready for this to blow over, and the Americans are waiting for the outcome of a trial. Light the fires. The gods are talking.
51: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
Does this mean the boys won t be convicted, or that they will because they aren t innocent of some wrongdoing (thus not a scapegoat by definition)? See my theory at the bottom of this document
52: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Will Paulus come clean for Joren, stay silent, or lie for himself?
3: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The Kalpoes know who Natalee is, The arubans know who Natalee is . But she was new to the raves and drug scene. The officials know where her body is or that she was alive after she went missing and was used again in the Biblical sense by her captors. If you ever read this Beth, I m really sorry.
54: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
The P.M. wans to protect the Dutch image by covering the corruption, he doesn t care about Paulus Van Der Sloot. Remember it is the corruption that is the problem here!
55: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
Nobody yet realizes the true extent of the corruption and problems between the corrupt Dut
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bron: http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190
1: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
A dishonest, corrupt Dutch official on the island has a lot to lose if the depths of the seedy Aruban night life are discovered.
2: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian,
older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?
Shango
Perhaps someone will crack. Keep pressure on the three held so far to implicate the real suspects.
3: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The P.M. does not want any impartial, honest investigators involved in this because of the cover-up, not American or from the Netherlands. It seems tha tthere have been political pressures between Aruba and the Hague for awhile now the Hague wants the drug and rave scene cleaned up, but the Arubans distrust intrusion, and stand a lot to lose it seems. Ref. http://www2.rnw.nl/rnw/en/currentaffairs/region/southamerica /ant040113.html?view=
4: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian
Why didn t the Dutch officials use the initial FBI agents more? If they had, this would be closer to being solved!
5: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian,
The P.M. did not grant the powers or assign the tasks the Americans (FBI) expected, and he never intended to. The truth is hidden.
6: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian,
The P.M. did not let the Aruban investigators do what they needed as well (the delay in arrests perhaps)? The search can only be completed by Americans and the Holloways, but they were stymied by misinformation and false leads planted by the corrupt authorities. Why was Natalee never found? The searchers were directed to all the wrong places!
7: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian
Any evidence found in the suspects vehicles after it was washed later that night will not stand up in court. Only determined Americans can finally solve this mystery. Will the truth ever be known?
8: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
The Arubans should pressure the Netherlands for more outside help.
The Americans have been looking far from where Natalee is, and she is hidden from them.
The volunteers can t rely on the American searchers now (they have been misled)
The Arubans need to question DJ Croes again. He was released way too soon.
9: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The Aruban officials knew the Dutch officials on the island would deliberately botch the investigation and wouldn t do any good.
The Americans and the volunteers looked in all the wrong places.
10: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
Paulus Van Der Sloot waived his right to not testify against Joren because he is untouchable either way
He needs to tell all he knows or Joren will get fingered for the crime, maybe convicted (to keep the real killers and the web of corruption secret)
11: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Shango suggesting his possible involvement with officials. Again, I bet Shango is an insider to the case
12: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
If Paulus does not come forward honestly, Joren is going down. Silence will not help his son.
The Arubans do not want Americans to think Aruba is a bad place, but the evidence of truth is not to be found. Someone among the Arubans knows what happened as well, but he or she won t step forward.
The Arubans both want the truth to be known, but it would be disaster for the island, especially from the U.S. (I'm not of the same opinion on Paulus he covers his own ass and Jorans. His son is guilty of kidnapping at the least.)
13: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
If this case is too soon forgotten or unchallenged, all of this will blow over. Holloways will be satisfied, the truth will be lost, things (both with tourism and with the corruption) will continue as usual.
14: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
The Americans must do as the Arubans instruct. It has been slow (in tourism?) for a month; the island needs money. The native s source will stay hidden; the scapegoats will keep everyone s attention just fine. All three must be implicated if the P.M. s dirty little secrets are to stay hidden. The truth is probably lost and the second search will be similar to the first, with misinformation and misunderstandings and nothing to show.(I disagree with all 3 being implicated to cover dirtyhands - I see them having to release them as per Shangos following posts - Ringo)
15: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
At one point someone claiming to be Simian was posting as well, but Shango somehow knew which was the real Simian.
16: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
The Arubanss bugged the conversations between Joren and the Kalpoes; they know the boys are actually innocent of Natalee s Murder but are guilty of other things. They also can make sure they are the first to know if one or more thinks about coming clean
17: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Paulus is off the hook now, and he will go on to be judge in Netherlands despite his role in this.
Anything he says could hurt the American role in the investigation; he has contacts
18: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
It is hard to navigate the web of Dutch corruption, but the Aruban s inside source would destroy the island s reputation. A lot of casinos would close because the tourism from the U.S. would stop for a very long time. Somebody must take the fall, because the powers that be and concerned Americans want a quick resolution
19: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
The Kalpoes and Joren will be charged to keep the cover-up going.
Otherwise the tourism will be hurt for a long time. Light the fires? (Again Light the fires as in send a message or warning)
20: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
The Arubans do not like interference from the Netherlands (like the Dutch marines). Everyone knows there are lies upon lies. The economy will be ruined and there will be tension between Aruba and the Netherlands. Light the fires!
21: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
Apparently, the Arawak are the island s native tribe that migrated from the mainland. Hence this name for the Arubans.
22: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
The Aruban officials have control over Joren and the Kalpoes. They can t let Joren tell the truth because it will ruin everything for them. Bad for the economy.
The Americans will buy that the boys are the murderers. The truth is not known, but everyone is content except for unrest in the upper offices of Aruban government. Any fallout from this will be the fault of the Dutch for not stepping in!
23: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:50 pm
If Joren squeals, everyone will watch the results worldwide.
Police Chief Van Der Straaten must not be investigated to keep things covered up. Light the fires!
24: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:53 pm
If Joren squeals, it will hurt the island immensely. If the Americans stay investigating after the trial, the truth will come out (possibly from Van Der Straaten himself somehow), even though damage will be done to Aruba.
25: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If the Americans find out about whatever Van Der Straaten was involved in, the powers that be on the island will fall, and the Dutch reputation will be tarnished. The Americans must be appeased so they accept the lack of real evidence (Natalee s body)
26: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
The Dutch system will have to change to accommodate the American s persistence in investigating the underworld of the island. Better this than the whole thing be exposed. Many mysterious people in that underworld. There must be a trial (of Joren and the Kalpoes)
27: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:02 pm
Do not listen to the news media (does this refer to Fox News and Greta)?
The boys will be tried for this. The Americans (in general, probably not Beth Twitty!) will be happy.
The Dutch system will be intact and no damage will be done to the powers that be on Aruba.
The Americans will leave as soon as a trial is concluded. But there will be indications that something is wrong .
8: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
This is pretty self-explanatory. Usually Shango isn t this straightforward though.
29: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:13 pm
The typical Aruban is is perfectly willing to let this pan out, or else is afraid to come forth(remember, these lions are powerful local officials and drug dealers from the mainland. They are VERY dangerous people) The European Dutch don t really care one way or another. The Americans demand justice!
30: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
Joren knew it was dangerous to deal with certain people on the island; who knows his fate now? Rules have changed, and so has the rave scene (to cover things up)? The truth is lost for Natalee s family; they re kept too close to things, controlled and helpless. Witnesses will not be reliable now. Somebody will have to be tried to spare the embarrassment and those involved in the corruption. The natives don t like Van Der Straaten. The P.M. will remove van Der Straaten soon, but a trial is needed.
31: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:30 pm
A trial will keep the Aruban way of life safe and make the Americans happy. There is a real danger here to the powers that be. The Van Der Sloots do not want Joren to take the fall. They don t care about the island s welfare, but they are afraid of U.S. investigators.
32: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
A trial will certainly make the Americans happy as well as the drug lords. But Dutch integrity is shaken regardless, even if van Der Straaten s role is not revealed.
33: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
There are bad people in every society; even the Americans have self-serving individuals (the media)? If the corruption is revealed, everyone will see it! The natives fear American reaction if corruption is revealed, and so do the Dutch powers on Aruba. If the status quo is to be preserved, it must make the Dutch officials and Aruba look innocent until things die down. The possibility of Van Der Straaten being exposed scares the Arubans too. But bringing the boys to trial will be enough to keep the Americans happy even without any real evidence.
4: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Talking with the powers that be (maybe including Paulus) will not answer any questions or doubts (we re only revealing mysteries, not their answers). The boys must know now that they re going down as scapegoats.
35: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
Keep theories simple, even though it is hard.
36: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:50 pm
How long the boys will languish in trial or jail depends on how quickly the Americans lose interest and go home. At this point I think cowboys is specifically referring to Beth and Jug Twitty as often as not.
37: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arubans won t let Joren be tried if they think he s innocent. Everyone is scared of Van Der Straaten, so a token trial is needed. That way everyone is happy and kept in the dark. I m wondering if Dirty Hand means Van Der Straaten, or the corruption in general.
38: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
The natives want the Americans satisfied, and the Dutch want their integrity maintained. Some Americans (maybe FBI or similar) know something about the corruption, and they will be the key to uncovering this mess. Van Der Straaten will leave his post and his power and influence but with his misdeeds kept secret because of the fake trial.
39: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
The Arubans and Dutch often come to odds, but the Arubans don t want the U.S. to know about any instability for obvious reasons. Again, see above article.
40: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The Dutch have allowed the corruption to get to this point. The Arubans are worried about their livelihood from the Americans; they do not like dealing with the corrupt Dutch officials / Van Der Straaten! He will slink away whenever he gets a chance.
41: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:04 pm
But there will be many more people at the feast, and the cowboys would resent the Arawaks for Babylons interference.
Even if Van Der Straaten is exposed, the boys will be in big trouble for their part. But the Americans will be pissed at the Arubans if they let the corrupt Dutch take control of the situation.
42: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
The P.M. will not ever allow the U.S. full participation, and the truth stays hidden. The Aruban officials hold the boys (Joren and the Kalpoes). Van Der Straaten can destroy the Arubans and the corrupt Dutch officials.
43: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There have been such corrupt individuals for as long as the Dutch have had Aruba
44: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:28 pm
The stage is set as of today: the corruption is well-known on the island at least, there will be charges and trial against the boys, speculation escalates, the media is ready, the Americans are satisfied even without a body. Everyone is afraid of the corruption, both the Arubans and the Dutch. Is my source saying he has to pay informants now?Someone suggested I must go feed the messengers means Shango is leaking information to the media himself. That would explain the anti false information bullsh*t.
45: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 6:30 pm
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
Yeah, I think Shango must have his own sources when he talks about feeding the messengers. The rest is another reference to the fake Simian.
Out of chronological order:
46: Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
Joren will be charged with Natalee s death, and everyone will eat the trial up.
47: Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
Natalee first got into trouble at the rave, but the truth of this is not easy to discern. This rave was held in a shoddy house or seedy establishment; some have suggested that the party Natalee was taken to was near the old gold mine in Arawaki National Park; see attached photos. Date rape and overdose led to Natalee s death; DNA evidence will surface here.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1191
48: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arubans want the Dutch corruption revealed as long as tourism isn t hurt. Aruba s economy may be preserved, but it this will hurt the Netherlands somehow, and blame ultimately lies with them.
49: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
PVDS and Van Der Straaten may not ever be implicated in anything.
50: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not a native Aruban, and for now he will not talk. The Arubans are ready for this to blow over, and the Americans are waiting for the outcome of a trial. Light the fires. The gods are talking.
51: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
Does this mean the boys won t be convicted, or that they will because they aren t innocent of some wrongdoing (thus not a scapegoat by definition)? See my theory at the bottom of this document
52: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Will Paulus come clean for Joren, stay silent, or lie for himself?
3: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The Kalpoes know who Natalee is, The arubans know who Natalee is . But she was new to the raves and drug scene. The officials know where her body is or that she was alive after she went missing and was used again in the Biblical sense by her captors. If you ever read this Beth, I m really sorry.
54: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
The P.M. wans to protect the Dutch image by covering the corruption, he doesn t care about Paulus Van Der Sloot. Remember it is the corruption that is the problem here!
55: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
Nobody yet realizes the true extent of the corruption and problems between the corrupt Dut
ik zie mensen lezen, maar reacties ho maar.
Is dit een onzin spoor, of zou er wat in kunnen zitten.
Reacties. please.
Is dit een onzin spoor, of zou er wat in kunnen zitten.
Reacties. please.
Ik las het en werd er eigenlijk heel erg eng van.... Ik begrijp nog niet zo goed wat het nou is, maar het lijkt er op alsof iemand zijn hart heeft willen luchten...
quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:01 schreef Lady_Mixje het volgende:
ik zie mensen lezen, maar reacties ho maar.
Is dit een onzin spoor, of zou er wat in kunnen zitten.
Reacties. please.
kan het ook in het Nederlands vertaald worden? Ben moe...
Ik heb het helemaal gelezen...
Tja, ze willen het afschuiven op Joran, maar hoe hebben ze ooit kunnen voorzien dat hij in een auto ging zitten opscheppen?
Of zie ik nu iets verkeerd?
Wat ik wel dacht bij de berichtgeving van de premier van Aruba dat Joran niet meer welkom was, was vreemd, zeer vreemd, hoe wil je 'm dan "pakken"?
Of is het juist de bedoeling dat hij wegblijft?
Oh men, ergens is het helemaal niet goed dat er miljoenen mensen online zitten te speculeren...
Wat een rotzooitje...
Tja, ze willen het afschuiven op Joran, maar hoe hebben ze ooit kunnen voorzien dat hij in een auto ging zitten opscheppen?
Of zie ik nu iets verkeerd?
Wat ik wel dacht bij de berichtgeving van de premier van Aruba dat Joran niet meer welkom was, was vreemd, zeer vreemd, hoe wil je 'm dan "pakken"?
Of is het juist de bedoeling dat hij wegblijft?
Oh men, ergens is het helemaal niet goed dat er miljoenen mensen online zitten te speculeren...
Wat een rotzooitje...
Steeds als ik tegen de lamp loop,
neem ik een stukje licht mee.
♥Knibbel, Knabbel etc met veel foto's! IV♥
neem ik een stukje licht mee.
♥Knibbel, Knabbel etc met veel foto's! IV♥
teveel abstracties. weliswaar afgewisseld met concrete zaken, maar sommige dingen kan je ook best voorspellen zonder een insider te zijn. Ik moest denken aan de 'hogere machten' waar Joran het over had tegen die patrick in de auto. Hij zal die Shango raadsels ook wel gelezen hebben.
Ik heb het Shango's says verhaal ook helemaal aandachtig doorgelezen (de complete versie).
Inderdaad heel veel abstracties.
Volgens mij komt Shango's verhaal er in grote lijnen op neer dat;
"Joran inderdaad onschuldig is, net zoals de 2 broers Kalpoe, dat de hele fam. v/d Sloot
de "hogere machten op Aruba niets interesseerd, dat zij allemaal opgeofferd moeten worden
om hogere machten te beschermen".
Ook dat;
"Iedereen de verkeerde kant opkijkt, het verkeerde spoor aan het volgen is, zowel amerikanen
als nederlanders".
Inderdaad heel veel abstracties.
Volgens mij komt Shango's verhaal er in grote lijnen op neer dat;
"Joran inderdaad onschuldig is, net zoals de 2 broers Kalpoe, dat de hele fam. v/d Sloot
de "hogere machten op Aruba niets interesseerd, dat zij allemaal opgeofferd moeten worden
om hogere machten te beschermen".
Ook dat;
"Iedereen de verkeerde kant opkijkt, het verkeerde spoor aan het volgen is, zowel amerikanen
als nederlanders".
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Merkwaardig, heeft Shango dit ook niet in een van zijn vele hints gezegd?quote:Ondertussen wilde de 34-jarige voormalig crimineel iets doen voor de wereld en vooral voor zijn geboorte-eiland, Aruba, vertelt hij met tranen in de ogen. Op de vraag van Cuomo of hij voelde dat hij Van der Sloot op enige wijze heeft bedrogen, glimlacht Van der Eem. Nee, hij wilde niets liever dan Van der Sloot afmaken. Hij was vooral verbolgen over het feit dat van der Sloot in interviews er steeds op hamerde dat het Arubaanse volk achter hem stond.
bron interview
idd net een orakel opvallend is ook dat het allemaal op 1 dag is en dat hij dingen verteld die toen nog niet bekend warenquote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:04 schreef babyuiltje het volgende:
Ik las het en werd er eigenlijk heel erg eng van.... Ik begrijp nog niet zo goed wat het nou is, maar het lijkt er op alsof iemand zijn hart heeft willen luchten...
raar gebeuren als het klopt
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
plus dat het een corrupt boevennest is en waar hebben we dat eerder gehoordquote:Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:27 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
Ik heb het Shango's says verhaal ook helemaal aandachtig doorgelezen (de complete versie).
Inderdaad heel veel abstracties.
Volgens mij komt Shango's verhaal er in grote lijnen op neer dat;
"Joran inderdaad onschuldig is, net zoals de 2 broers Kalpoe, dat de hele fam. v/d Sloot
de "hogere machten op Aruba niets interesseerd, dat zij allemaal opgeofferd moeten worden
om hogere machten te beschermen".
Ook dat;
"Iedereen de verkeerde kant opkijkt, het verkeerde spoor aan het volgen is, zowel amerikanen
als nederlanders".
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
Hmmm, wel heel intressant ja,
een nederlandse vertaling zou idd wel handig zijn
en het is ook nog eens al
lemaal afkomstig van 1 datum
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een nederlandse vertaling zou idd wel handig zijn
en het is ook nog eens al
lemaal afkomstig van 1 datum [ Bericht 46% gewijzigd door Sjweethet op 07-02-2008 17:31:43 ]
Overigens wordt die naam steeds met ene simian samen genoemd op het scared monkeys forum. Het is nogal een gedoe om uit te vogelen allemaal, spreek en ken wel engels, maar snap het allemaal niet helemaal ontzettend goed, geloof ik. Wie is die Simian dan? Of is hij dezelfde als die Shango?
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Natalee first got into trouble at the rave, but the truth of this is not easy to discern. This rave was held in a shoddy house or seedy establishment; some have suggested that the party Natalee was taken to was near the old gold mine in Arawaki National Park; see attached photos. Date rape and overdose led to Natalee s death; DNA evidence will surface here.
Allemaal erg vaag maar "XTC DNA" is wel interessant. DNA is zeer duidelijk. XTC wijst natuurlijk naar Rave's en XTC maar dat zou een dubbele bodem kunnen hebbent. GHB (rape-drug) wordt ook wel 'liquid extacy' genoemd.
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Natalee first got into trouble at the rave, but the truth of this is not easy to discern. This rave was held in a shoddy house or seedy establishment; some have suggested that the party Natalee was taken to was near the old gold mine in Arawaki National Park; see attached photos. Date rape and overdose led to Natalee s death; DNA evidence will surface here.
Allemaal erg vaag maar "XTC DNA" is wel interessant. DNA is zeer duidelijk. XTC wijst natuurlijk naar Rave's en XTC maar dat zou een dubbele bodem kunnen hebbent. GHB (rape-drug) wordt ook wel 'liquid extacy' genoemd.
en hoe past Joran in dit verhaal? volgens dit zijn ze dus nooit op het strand geweest.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 13:25 schreef kilrathi het volgende:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Natalee first got into trouble at the rave, but the truth of this is not easy to discern. This rave was held in a shoddy house or seedy establishment; some have suggested that the party Natalee was taken to was near the old gold mine in Arawaki National Park; see attached photos. Date rape and overdose led to Natalee s death; DNA evidence will surface here.
Allemaal erg vaag maar "XTC DNA" is wel interessant. DNA is zeer duidelijk. XTC wijst natuurlijk naar Rave's en XTC maar dat zou een dubbele bodem kunnen hebbent. GHB (rape-drug) wordt ook wel 'liquid extacy' genoemd.
Ik denk ook dat ze nooit op het strand zijn geweest, behalve misschien om het lichaam weg te brengen, maar als ze naar het strand waren geweest, hadden mensen hen gezien, het is daar ok ook 's avonds en 's nachts nooit helemaal stil. Ze zijn met Natalee elders geweest, denk ik.
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