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Well why not just call it widespread corruption? That shouldnt be that hard to imagine. It happens all the time, you can read about it every day. People in influential positions abusing their powers. Cover-ups happen.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:16 schreef Qwea het volgende:
yeah, well... I don't know.
This whole cover up story goes a little to far for me.
It reminds me on 9/11. " Yeah bush gov did 9/11!!!!!!" Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything.
To dismiss a possible cover-up beforehand, because of a "Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything"-attitude would just be foolish.
It's foolish to believe that behind everything is a cover up.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 15:55 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Well why not just call it widespread corruption? That shouldnt be that hard to imagine. It happens all the time, you can read about it every day. People in influential positions abusing their powers. Cover-ups happen.
To dismiss a possible cover-up beforehand, because of a "Why has there always be a conspiracy theory behind everything"-attitude would just be foolish.
Corruption, fine. But I won't believe that this is a cover up. Same as I won' believe that 9/11 was a cover up.
Goddamn, something in the world happens, and the first thing people are saying ; " AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH COVERUP!!!!!!!! The government is lying to us!!!!!!!"
Get a grip. If this is really a coverup, do you have any idea how many people are involved? Do you really think that all of those people will keep there mouth shut? Yeah? Well, I don't.
My partner made a topic this week about conspiracy theorist. I think he's right.
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That 'Lyson kitchen spray' that was found in the area where the vcb shirt was found.
Can it only be bought in the U.S., canada and puerto rico?
Can it only be bought in the U.S., canada and puerto rico?
wednesday Peter R. de Vries and Beth Twitty on ScaredMonkeysRadio.
i don't know what time, maybe thursday morning dutch time.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/
Peter R. de Vries op ScaredMonkeyRadio
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i don't know what time, maybe thursday morning dutch time.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/
Peter R. de Vries op ScaredMonkeyRadio
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Als op de foto duidelijk te zien was dat het een arm was, kan die foto dan niet beter worden opgestuurd naar een forensisch instituut?quote:Ook kan Mansur zich nog goed herinneren dat er een arm aanspoelde in Punto Fijo, de Venezolaanse plaats die het dichtst bij de Antillen ligt. ,,Ze stuurden de arm naar het lab in Caracas. Toen we niets meer hoorden, ben ik na gaan bellen. Wat bleek? Hadden ze de arm in Caracas weggegooid, omdat het een pelikanenpoot zou zijn geweest.’’ De zakenman is er tot op de dag van vandaag van overtuigd dat het wél een arm was. ,,Ik heb er een foto van gezien en hoewel de kwaliteit slecht was, was het duidelijk een arm.’’[/b]
Kweet niet, maar er bestaan vast verschillen tussen armen en pelikanenpoten.
Dit verhaal komt me wel een beetje onwaarschijnlijk over, maar ja, je weet het niet he?
Het kan geen kwaad er rekening mee houden dat iedereen verhalen kan gaan rondstrooien.
Opsturen naar een forensisch instituut die foto, zou ik zeggen.
Freddy's June 12, 2005 witness statement implies that the FOUR of them went to the beach and ... THEY left her on the beach.
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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005
Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.
He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.
After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.
They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.
The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translator: Rammstein
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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005
Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.
He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.
After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.
They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.
The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translator: Rammstein
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
More on GVC,This is the same story that was on our America's most wanted.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
For some reason alot of the youtubes lately have been yanked lately,they worked a month ago. Correct,we were toold the duct tape and hair was not natalee. The resuts of the VCB shirt were never made public. No idea where the shirt is,,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:48 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:
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The youtube video's have been removed. Did you know?
Do you have a link to the artikel of 'Algemeen Dagblad'?
Is there a PV of G. C.?
The hair on the duck-tape was not from natalee, said the FBI. (correct me if I am wrong)
The vcb shirt was with blood and linked to Natalee said Aruban police. The results were never made public.
Where is that shirt? Gone forever?
The circle is becoming bigger and bigger, (for me that is). For me it is clear that there is a cover-up, but to what extent I only can fear about that.
We have to wait untill somone who dumped natalee or was involved, 'breaks'. Oterwise I dont think this case will ever be solved.
I agree with you,Someone has to talk or the walls of the cover up have to come down or this will never be solved.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Amy Bradley dissapeared from a cruise ship as it was arriving in Curacao. As they were docked outside of Aruba a couple of band members were persistent in taking her to Carlos and Charlies,she thought they were creepy so she never went. Later A American sailor was at a brothel when he was approached by a girl that said she was Amy Bradley and she needed his help. He was not supposed to be at this place so he never reported it until much later. When they went back to this Brothel it was burned down. A picture was found 2 years ago that looks very similar to her on a Adult Vaction place in a island off of Venezuela called Margarita Island. It is believed to be her.As far as I know there is no connection with Amy Bradley and Natalee Holloway.quote:
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
She is a liar and words cannot describe this person,most everything she has said has proven to be lies. She has zero credibility.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
I saw some posts about that Julia Renfro, that's supposed to be a liar. But I don't understand because when she said in Netwerk (a link in the previous topic) a plain had arrived and such things there was also someone that worked at the airport that could confirm that. So she couldn't be a complete liar
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
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Peter Devries
MARTHA MACCALLUM
FOX NEWS
November 28, 2006
MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.
PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.
MARTHA: Alright, well good to have you from Holland! Thank you ver much for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.
PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.
And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.
MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?
PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.
MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.
PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has guilt on the disappearance of Natalee .… that he has something to do with it.
So there is no misunderstanding about that, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?
But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.
MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today. We want to bring in now, on the phone, from Alabama…is Natalee’s Mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, welcome to you.
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The LineUp 12-03-06
Kimberly: Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries conducted the investigation. I asked him about his conversation with Van der Sloots first attorney Antonio Carlo. Listen to this.
Peter: Well we paid Carlo a visit in his office and we recorded that with candid camera and at first he tried to deny that there had been a meeting with head prosecutor but after a while he realized what we knew and then he got very uncomfortable and admitted that there had been a meeting and that was with the head prosecutor and panicked and he was very uncomfortable with this.
Kimberly: Now how did Antonio Carlo describe why he met Karin Janssen?
Peter: Well he didnt want to tell us very much about it but what we found out that there was a secret meeting and thats highly unusually because head prosecutor is not allowed to have talks during an investigation with the lawyer or attorney so thats very strange and also Karin Janssen the head prosecutor wrote us a fax in which she admitted that a meeting took place so its impossible to deny that there was a meeting.
Kimberly: And what was divulged during these meetings.
Peter: Well in the meeting Mr. Carlo said that he had to clear his conscience and that Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. No doubt at all that he said that.
Kimberly: Did he go into any other details in terms of what that means played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Peter: Well he then stated to the head prosecutor that it was up to the police and the justice to get the full proof of this but that he wanted to clear his conscience and that yeah they had to do the work.
Kimberly: And how many letters were exchanged back and forth between them and what information was in those letters?
Peter: Well the head prosecutor wrote him a letter and she asked for more details and then Mr. Carlo got scared because his tip was certainly on paper and he didnt expect that because it was a secret meeting and when Karin Janssen put it on paper he realized it was no longer a secret so then he wrote a letter back and denied he had said something like that.
Kimberly: Now have any of the Aruban or Dutch Officials contacted you about this important information?
Peter: Yeah they contact me I have several sources in this case and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said that.
Kimberly: And what do the investigators make of this?
Peter: Now they make of this of course that Joran Van der Sloot is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee.
Kimberly: Wow. Now you know of course Jorans current attorney Joe Tacopina said that this is making up facts your fabricating facts there was no such meeting.
Peter: No then (Peter started laughing) he doesnt know what happened I think and I have recording with our candid camera which shows the opposite of what he is saying so I dont think hes very well informed.
Kimberly: Alright well Peter thank you so much in joining me tonight and talking about these new developments.
Peter: OK welcome.
Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:
Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.
Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.
Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.
Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.
Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?
Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.
Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?
Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.
Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?
Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.
Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?
Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.
Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?
Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.
Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?
Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.
Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?
Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.
Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.
http://www.katablog.com/day_blogs.cfm?d=4&m=12&y=2006
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Peter Devries
MARTHA MACCALLUM
FOX NEWS
November 28, 2006
MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.
PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.
MARTHA: Alright, well good to have you from Holland! Thank you ver much for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.
PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.
And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.
MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?
PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.
MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.
PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has guilt on the disappearance of Natalee .… that he has something to do with it.
So there is no misunderstanding about that, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?
But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.
MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today. We want to bring in now, on the phone, from Alabama…is Natalee’s Mom, Beth Holloway Twitty. Beth, welcome to you.
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The LineUp 12-03-06
Kimberly: Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries conducted the investigation. I asked him about his conversation with Van der Sloots first attorney Antonio Carlo. Listen to this.
Peter: Well we paid Carlo a visit in his office and we recorded that with candid camera and at first he tried to deny that there had been a meeting with head prosecutor but after a while he realized what we knew and then he got very uncomfortable and admitted that there had been a meeting and that was with the head prosecutor and panicked and he was very uncomfortable with this.
Kimberly: Now how did Antonio Carlo describe why he met Karin Janssen?
Peter: Well he didnt want to tell us very much about it but what we found out that there was a secret meeting and thats highly unusually because head prosecutor is not allowed to have talks during an investigation with the lawyer or attorney so thats very strange and also Karin Janssen the head prosecutor wrote us a fax in which she admitted that a meeting took place so its impossible to deny that there was a meeting.
Kimberly: And what was divulged during these meetings.
Peter: Well in the meeting Mr. Carlo said that he had to clear his conscience and that Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. No doubt at all that he said that.
Kimberly: Did he go into any other details in terms of what that means played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
Peter: Well he then stated to the head prosecutor that it was up to the police and the justice to get the full proof of this but that he wanted to clear his conscience and that yeah they had to do the work.
Kimberly: And how many letters were exchanged back and forth between them and what information was in those letters?
Peter: Well the head prosecutor wrote him a letter and she asked for more details and then Mr. Carlo got scared because his tip was certainly on paper and he didnt expect that because it was a secret meeting and when Karin Janssen put it on paper he realized it was no longer a secret so then he wrote a letter back and denied he had said something like that.
Kimberly: Now have any of the Aruban or Dutch Officials contacted you about this important information?
Peter: Yeah they contact me I have several sources in this case and there is really no doubt not for one percent that he said that.
Kimberly: And what do the investigators make of this?
Peter: Now they make of this of course that Joran Van der Sloot is responsible for the disappearance of Natalee.
Kimberly: Wow. Now you know of course Jorans current attorney Joe Tacopina said that this is making up facts your fabricating facts there was no such meeting.
Peter: No then (Peter started laughing) he doesnt know what happened I think and I have recording with our candid camera which shows the opposite of what he is saying so I dont think hes very well informed.
Kimberly: Alright well Peter thank you so much in joining me tonight and talking about these new developments.
Peter: OK welcome.
Jossy Mansur (Editor of Dario Newspaper in Aruba) by phone:
Kimberly: I got to ask you what did the former police chief say to you about Joran Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers involvement in Natalees disappearance.
Jossy: He definitely confirmed that they admitted to the police that they had molested the girl while she was going in and out of consciousness but among other things that he said.
Kimberly: And how long was this conversation and who specifically did you speak to.
Jossy: I spoke to Gerald Dompig the conversation took place in my office for about an hour and I have it all on video tape.
Kimberly: Any why did you video tape it Jossy?
Jossy: Because as the Diario we usually do that with people we dont trust to begin with. To have a documented proof of whatever we are going to publish in the future.
Kimberly: Alright well there are many people who doubt that you have this tape and want to know in fact is contained in this video tape? Do you have a transcript of this?
Jossy: You know many people doubt many things I say but after I publish the truth everybody becomes quiet. They go into a profound silence. But we have the proof I have the tape the video tape, we have various copies of it made.
Kimberly: OK and you claim to have a transcript in fact that links the boys to Natalees disappearance. Do you have that for us that you can read a portion of that?
Jossy: I can read a portion for you for example when I asked him about the case he said well you know we cannot go because we dont have a body but you have a model crime and on the basis of their own declarations, Im quoting him at the bottom now and then he said look if its not rape they fingered her, they did a lot of things to her according to their own declarations and he we have an article in our penal code that provides an eight year sentence for that. If you do that to a girl who is not conscious they themselves said that she passed out on (inaudible) phases in the car. That means if you do that to a person who cannot defend herself its eight years. He told me this (inaudible) Im quoting from the tape.
Kimberly: And what else did he tell you?
Jossy: He told me many other things. For example you are not talking about Joran alone because while the other guy was driving the car they were making out with the girl in the back.
Kimberly: And when you say they who was he referring to did he specify the Kalpoe brothers?
Jossy: He said the Kalpoe brothers with Joran yes.
Kimberly: Did you ask him why he didnt do anything with this information and why a case wasnt presented by the prosecutor?
Jossy: No because I thought they would proceed on the basis of a model crime because he confirmed that these three suspects admitted this to the police.
Kimberly: Jossy have you presented this tape to the new police chief or the prosecutors office. Who else has the information?
Jossy: The tape I only have the tape, I havent given it to anyone because so many things have happened in this case and so many mistrusts of who you can trust and who you cannot trust so I will present it to the prosecution when this case goes to court.
Kimberly: Jossy Mansur thank you for being on with me tonight.
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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 20:45:08 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Het is toch idioot als dit soort tapes en zo bestaan dat er niet al lang een rechtszaak is geweest? Ongelooflijk.
GVC has nothing to do with the case.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 18:54 schreef observer777 het volgende:
More on GVC,This is the same story that was on our America's most wanted.
Prev. posted Feb.5th.
Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.
She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.
GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.
One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.
GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.
On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.
GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.
Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.
After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.
After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.
She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.
Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.
It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.
I have agreed to keep her identity secret.
A little attempt to unmystify him......
On the web there is a recent "interview" with him (and his family) about his impressions after the Peter de Vries show.
But it's not realy interesting what they have to say.
Voormalig verdachte Geoffrey Cromvoirt reageert op uitzending De Vries
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
Thanks for the vidquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:44 schreef barthol het volgende:
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GVC has nothing to do with the case.
A little attempt to unmystify him......
On the web there is a recent "interview" with him (and his family) about his impressions after the Peter de Vries show.
But it's not realy interesting what they have to say.
Voormalig verdachte Geoffrey Cromvoirt reageert op uitzending De Vries
What do they say? You should know that Joran's American Lawyer Joe Tacopina continues to throw Jeffrey under the bus,says he was seen with Natalee after Joran and that the VCB shirt does have forensic evidence on it and it is linked to this case and that is why GVC was arrested.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:39 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Het is toch idioot als dit soort tapes en zo bestaan dat er niet al lang een rechtszaak is geweest? Ongelooflijk.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
Keep the faith!!
voorspelbaarquote:
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Zomaar een vraagje hoor, ben jij wel eens op schizofrenie getest?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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staat ook meer op het spel dan wij allemaal in kunnen zien.
bijvoorbeeld:
als naar buiten komt hoe smerig dit hele zaakje is zal het kabinet Balkenende niet meer geloofwaardig zijn.
komen er verkiezingen, en wie wint er dan: Wilders.
de enige partij die de Antillen / Aruba corrupt durft te noemen en op e-bay wou zetten en zich uitsprak over Natalee.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)llen_afgelast__.html
verder is er een redelijke kans dat Aruba de onafhankelijkheid uitspreekt.
in 1986 was afgesproken dat dat binnen 10 jaar zou gebeuren.
Croes is niet trots op z'n Nederlandse paspoort en hij en Oduber nemen af en toe het woord onafhankelijkheid weer in de mond.
stel dat het nu gebeurt zal Joran nooit berecht worden op Aruba en stopt de subside van Nederland en zinkt het eiland nog verder in de modder.
goeie kans dat Chávez dan eindelijk z'n droom waar maakt en een eiland erbij pikt.
dat vindt Amerika weer niet leuk want Venezuela schuift dan iets dichter op naar Amerika.
kortom er zijn een hoop redenen om de doofpot in stand te houden te verzinnen.
de gevestigde media hebben ook niet zoveel zin in Wilders.
daarom wordt er niet over bericht.
het is onbegrijpelijk dat het belangrijke bezoek van Balkenende naar de Antillen en Aruba amper in het nieuws is.
http://www.minaz.nl/Actue(...)se_Antillen_en_Aruba
denk je nou werkelijk dat joran zo'n belangrijk persoontje in z'n eentje is.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 22:00 schreef Klummie het volgende:
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Zomaar een vraagje hoor, ben jij wel eens op schizofrenie getest?
dat hij advocatenbureau's in Aruba, Nederland en Amerika achter zich heeft?
waar betaalt hij dat allemaal van? van z'n zakgeld zeker.
of is die Paul van der Sloot zo'n rijk man.
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/
die knakker doet het echt niet pro bono hoor.
je zou eens naar die Tacopina moeten luisteren in wat voor bochten die zich wringt.
hij kwam met het verhaal dat er vanaf die telefooncel niet gebeld was door Joran.
dat had ie van de kustwacht zei hij.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Nee man, maar je draaft zo verschrikkelijk door.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:02 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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denk je nou werkelijk dat joran zo'n belangrijk persoontje in z'n eentje is.
dat hij advocatenbureau's in Aruba, Nederland en Amerika achter zich heeft?
waar betaalt hij dat allemaal van? van z'n zakgeld zeker.
of is die Paul van der Sloot zo'n rijk man.
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/
die knakker doet het echt niet pro bono hoor.
je zou eens naar die Tacopina moeten luisteren in wat voor bochten die zich wringt.
hij kwam met het verhaal dat er vanaf die telefooncel niet gebeld was door Joran.
dat had ie van de kustwacht zei hij.
Aftreden van de regering en dus Wilders aan de macht
Je ziet overal een samenzwering in. Nogmaals, je brengt je speculaties naar voren als vaststaande feiten, dat is catgeorisch onjuist.
Ik weet het! Het waren de moslims want als Wilders aan de macht zou komen zouden zij een gerechtigde aanleiding hebben om om een coupe te plegen in ons land! De nederlandse overheid scheit natuurlijk al 7 kleuren stront bij deze gedachte en dekt de arubanen in, de amerikanen kijken met lede ogen toe maar zijn in deze tijd van depressie ook niet gebaat bij een burgeroorlog in europa. Zij verzinnen bewijsstukken en laten deze ook weer verdwijnen, schuiven de schuld op zuid amerikaanse landen zodat ze verzekerd zijn van steun uit het westen in hun war on drugs. Aruba wordt aangemerkt als drugseiland zodat de focus daar ligt en andere drugsexporterende landen zich ongewaand denken terwijl Osama een aanslag op Colombia pleegt zodat hij de 9/11 aanslagen goed maakt en de VS een aanleiding geeft zuid amerika te annexeren en zodoende de drugshandel in handen te krijgen. Nederland mag XTC blijven exporteren zolang dit maar via Aruba gebeurt. De moslims blijven aanvallen omdat hun opium en heroine handel stagneert door het royale aanbod van goede coke en XTC.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:02 schreef Caesu het volgende:
-knip-
Ik ben niet schizo, het waren de moslims! Je weet toch?
Capa del satén blanco, Cuerpo del acero, Corazón del oro.
ik kan natuurlijk ook niet in de toekomst kijken.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:19 schreef Klummie het volgende:
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Nee man, maar je draaft zo verschrikkelijk door.
Aftreden van de regering en dus Wilders aan de macht
Nogmaals, je brengt je speculaties naar voren als vaststaande feiten, dat is catgeorisch onjuist.
maar ik probeer wel een groter plaatje te zien.
en probeer vervolgens een beetje vooruit te denken.
daar draaf ik misschien wat in door, maar kan dat kwaad?
als je bijvoorbeeld in een kantoorgebouw een bijzonder gedetailleerd evacuatieplan opstelt.
dan ga je toch ook niet zeggen: "onheilsprofeet, denk je werkelijk dat de boel in de fik zal gaan?".
nogmaals een vraag aan jou:
denk je werkelijk dat het hier alleen maar om Joran van der Sloot gaat, een kereltje wat de halve dag stoned is en een beetje online zit te pokeren?
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Nogmaals, ik denk helemaal niets, ik wacht liever de feiten af.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 23:27 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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ik kan natuurlijk ook niet in de toekomst kijken.
maar ik probeer wel een groter plaatje te zien.
en probeer vervolgens een beetje vooruit te denken.
daar draaf ik misschien wat in door, maar kan dat kwaad?
als je bijvoorbeeld in een kantoorgebouw een bijzonder gedetailleerd evacuatieplan opstelt.
dan ga je toch ook niet zeggen: "onheilsprofeet, denk je werkelijk dat de boel in de fik zal gaan?".
nogmaals een vraag aan jou:
denk je werkelijk dat het hier alleen maar om Joran van der Sloot gaat, een kereltje wat de halve dag stoned is en een beetje online zit te pokeren?
Ik lees de gekste verhalen op internet hierover, overal zit er wel een vorm van logica in, ze spreken elkaar echter ook op tal van punten tegen. Du swie of wat moet je geloven, ik geloof de feiten, als die er ooit komen.
Er is geen enkele feitelijke reden om aan te nemen dat dit om iets meer gaat dan Joran.
Er is nog steeds geen lijk, geen getuige, geen enkel spoor en dat na tweeënhalf jaar. Alleen een hele hoop gebakken lucht. Maar omdat nu allemaal af te schuiven op een grote complottheorie?
You know, what they say is hardly interesting. It's not much of an interview. Basicly the reporter askedquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 21:12 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thanks for the vid
if they were also shocked by what the had seen, and they confirm the were also shocked by the shown
disrespect. At the end Geoffrey tells about the unconvenience of having to explain his innocence every
time when he meets new friends.
In his former interview Geoffrey had stated he never met Natalee, and that is most likely the truth.
It was very convincing in that interview.
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
