Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #5

Ryan here is part of what is in the Archives,There is still a interview that I can't find at the moment with one of the girls Fathers who says what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar to what he read happened to Natalee. She was drugged and assaulted by Joran and also 2 of her classmates.


Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE

Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..

Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005

Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."

I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.

http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...

VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?

VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...

VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.


CONFLICTS

Beth Twitty

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth

Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006

TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.


Jossy Mansur

http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005

This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.


Michelle Kosinsi

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.


Helen Lajuez

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005

Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.


Arlene Ellis-Schipper

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php

Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.


Dave and Robin Holloway

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php

Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.


Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html

12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.

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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html

81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.


Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?

TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?

LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.

BwennieBren,

You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:41 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.

You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.

You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?

Hello MM..They are concentrating on one area off the NW tip,as you know there is so much more ocean around Aruba. But they did say they can locate anything bigger than a baseball,that is if she was put in something like a cage or a barrel.. As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?

The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:

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Observer777

if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts

And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)

If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)

You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.

If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.

LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:28 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
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The Aruban people...
How many of the 120.000 people did that?

Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...

Thanks MM! I didn't realize it was impossible! The reason I ask is because PVDS was spotted there one day early in the case on the road from the Alto Vista church early in the morning before search teams arrived. It was a weird situation as it was a day after they found that belt and he made eye contact with one of the lead searchers as they drove by each other. Also some speculate about the shallow grave found and possibly Natalee's top that they said was fish net was also on that North Eastern part of the island.

Remember I have spoken to Aruban people and I like them,it is the perps,the people that covered up and the Aruban Govt that I despise. Sounds like the majority of the Aruban people are starting to feel the same way. I know in the past the ones I spoke to felt that way but were scared,didn't want to get involved and felt there was nothing they could do about it.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:00 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:

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Observer777

I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.

I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.

But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)

and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me with direct acces to the information.

You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.

Your very wrong about that. Our news reporters here in the states are terrible when they report about this case. Not one of them knows what they are talking about and they present wrong info because of that. Often they have breaking news about things that we knew at SM long before them,in some cases we knew it years before. I read,listen and observe everything written and talked about before I make a decision what I believe in. Often its from many many different credible sources,people that were there and saw it,investigated it in Aruba or the words right from the very same people in this case. So much happened in this case that never was reported in the Media/American TV,it took years of research and fact finding to find what was credible and what was not.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:17:32 ]

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:16 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:

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Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....
all of these are MEDIA reports.

The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.

Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You remind me of the guy that wanted a official source on PVDS'S supreme court decision,I translated it and gave him the link. He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!

[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:37:23 ]