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Thx, but i was looking for the area of the v/d Sloot place, there is a building construction site there now but i wanted to know how this was back in 2005. Would be a good place to burry a body...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:15 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
this is from 2005, overflights
http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP
But not the entire island en some angels need to be changed.
@Observer
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
What's a hoov? The pic I showed is a pelican bonequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:37 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
I hope you don't feel "attacked" again by my post because I do feel an undertone here... I really just wanted to know if you knew (or SM for that matter) what was in that tarp? But hey, you don't know. Anyway, thanks for answering my question
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Jeeez come on Observer, I am just like you said you are: sceptical and I cannot agree with all your findings but some of them are interesting. Pffff.... I wrote that down,.... I guess 4 times now?FYI, I also would like to see this case solved. Wel;, in that we agree right? However, if you think I clearly have another agenda, well dear,.... whatever rocks your worldquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:52 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Nope, definitely not. Why do you ask?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Close to Rohypnol :quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
In Dutchquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
GHB = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-hydroxybutaanzuur
Valium = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam
Rohypnol = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Don't be daft.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:05 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Close to Rohypnol :
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
Thanksquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
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These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
a pelican feet has 4 fingers, so I see...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Well, they differ quite a bit. With Valium being the least powerful and Rohypnoll being the most effective rape drug of the three as it can cause short term memory loss. GHB tends to be liquid instead of in pill form, so it's easier to get an overdose from GHB then from Rohypnol. They can all be pretty lethal and/or cause seizures in combination with alcohol.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
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Dan hoopt gij vurige kolen op zijn hoofd.
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
I think this has the makings of an 'unsolved crime'. There are a lot of these crimes. As there are a lot of suspisious disappearances. Sometimes they are solved, sometimes they're not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:22 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i don't necessarily think that is going to happen.
i am just saying in that region there are a lot more interests than just joran van der sloot.
it is not the quietest part of the world.
if aruba was lying just of the coast of antarctica it would have been an whole different story.
just yesterday chávez was threatening to cut the oil supply to the usa for example.
i am sure chávez has never heard about joran. but IF all of a sudden a corruption scandal comes to light on aruba, i am sure he will take notice.
maybe i am writing in a way that i think that this is really going to happen.
well, i doubt that is going to happen - because it is in a lot of parties interest that it is NOT going to happen.
governments have always a lot of plans ready in case something is going happen.
like contingency plans in case this happens, and that party does that - and then this etc.
for example, the usa had since 1930 'war plan red' ready to attack canada!
http://www.washingtonpost(...)005122901412_pf.html
top-secret: declassified in the seventies.
i am sure countries, especially in volatile regions have a lot of contingency plans ready for all kind of scenario's.
remember venezuela is part of the 'beyond the axis of evil' group.
the usa is waging a so called 'war on drugs' in colombia.
to quote joran: "Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor"
i am just trying to think how this could turn out.
I´m back.
Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:39 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Sorry, I said this too direct, 'more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...' means I read stories about girls that had the same experience on ...please 'aruba' or a cruiseship or so...or...
Yeah, sure everything that isn't Western to the bone is a 'roversnest' or are potential terrorists for all Geertje cares, I know, but what I'm interested in is whether Wilders made the same connection Ceasu made. That when push comes to shovel in this case, Balkenende IV'll fall and he'll be the next prime ministre of Holland.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:26 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ryan3:LOL..he should..roversnest
I´m back.
Hi,What would you like me to ask them? What stae of mind? You mean under a date rape drug? They won't be familiar with that other Dutch case.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:11 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...
We had a guy here in the states called Andrew Luster that was a heir to a large cosmetic company. He drugged and filmed many women using GHB and eventually he got caught and fled to Mexico. He will serve the rest of his days in Prison. He never killed anyone but had plenty of video tapes and evidence to put him away for life.
http://www.crimelibrary.c(...)andrew_luster/2.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
well, ther aresome reports:
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Ryan3: I'm confident they will play this game...but..did you read the report about aruba,,
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:17 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Is there btw any statement of Geert Wilders known on this subject?
clickquote:Pinguïnpak
vrijdag 08 februari 2008
Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt. Weer een schoolvoorbeeld van de enorme kloof tussen de burgers en de Haagse politiek
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Quote Rene van Nie
Bron
quote:Dit artikel stond vandaag in de Diario en leek me belangrijk om te lezen.
We weten dat het onderzoek vanaf dag 1 een teringzooi was. En we weten ook dat het nu te laat is om nog wat nieuws te vinden. Ondertussen telde ik 14 cameraploegen en komt mamma Twitty en haar ex vandaag ook naar Aruba. De hemel beware ons want die dame is niet te vertrouwen!
Kortom, we zitten weer diep in de ellende. Zoals te verwachten was. Daarom stel ik voor - als het nieuwe bewijs flinterdun of 'opgewarmde prak' is zoals de advokaten het noemen en uiteindelijk tot niets zal leiden, het hele O.M. en zeker de macamba's onder hen - per omgaande te ontslaan, inclusief de rechter die over het vasthouden van de jongens heeft beslist. Want dan hebben ze Aruba weer een bijna onherstelbare schade toegebracht.
Bron
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Presistence bit was good!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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Renfro at the end was nasty...
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Ryan here is part of what is in the Archives,There is still a interview that I can't find at the moment with one of the girls Fathers who says what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar to what he read happened to Natalee. She was drugged and assaulted by Joran and also 2 of her classmates.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
[ afbeelding ]
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Excuse me? I'm on this board since 1999 wtf are you to tell me to go to another board. Maybe you are the troll here providing us with your SM crock of bullshit, assumptios, blablabla but no facts! Stick that in your.... whatever! And you are right, you are nothing like me not at the least....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
BTW My last post is a from the newspaper The Dario (your friend Jossy Mansur remember? written by your friend Art Wood?) I didn't typed it myself.... fool! [insert]middlefinger[/insert]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?quote:Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:09 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Lach, gier, brul, ik doe het nu ook
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Hello MM..They are concentrating on one area off the NW tip,as you know there is so much more ocean around Aruba. But they did say they can locate anything bigger than a baseball,that is if she was put in something like a cage or a barrel.. As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:41 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Een reaktie op SM:
Now I'm realy scared...quote:Saoirse on February 12th, 2008 1:47 am
Netherlands - Is not what happened to Natalee a violation of Article 3(prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment) of the European COnvention on Human Rights?
Like what you did to Eduardo Matthew?
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. He is DirtyHand.
Write letters to Dutch Embassy in the U.S.
Write letters to the Queen Bea.
Make reservations to Aruba and do not cancel them. That will tie up rooms. Do not travel there, just book the reservations.
Write the 5 major airlines that travel there.
Petition to have Aruba & Netherlands listed as dangers to women by U. S State Department.
Boycott products made/owned by the Netherlands.
I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter
Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream
Phillips Light products
Lumileds LEDs
Royal Dutch Airlines
Heineken
Amstel
Groslch
IKEA
Unilever
Tom Tom PGS
Norellco
Royalties from every DVD you purchase
Fudgsicle
Hellman’s mayonaise
Imperial Margarine
Karo Syrups
Lipton Tea
Popsicle
Ragu
Skippy peanut butter
SLim Fast
Wish Bone Salad Dressing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_companies
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. DirtyHand walks in all circles.
Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:21 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
The Aruban people...quote:The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
No!!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
[..]
Now I'm realy scared...
No Skippy Peanut Butter!! 
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Observer777
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thanks MM! I didn't realize it was impossible! The reason I ask is because PVDS was spotted there one day early in the case on the road from the Alto Vista church early in the morning before search teams arrived. It was a weird situation as it was a day after they found that belt and he made eye contact with one of the lead searchers as they drove by each other. Also some speculate about the shallow grave found and possibly Natalee's top that they said was fish net was also on that North Eastern part of the island.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:28 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
[..]
The Aruban people...
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
Remember I have spoken to Aruban people and I like them,it is the perps,the people that covered up and the Aruban Govt that I despise. Sounds like the majority of the Aruban people are starting to feel the same way. I know in the past the ones I spoke to felt that way but were scared,didn't want to get involved and felt there was nothing they could do about it.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
[..]
Now I'm realy scared...
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:48 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
ik ben weg want ik verveel me met het aapje. 
Slaapze/werkze lui
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me without direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 07:07:16 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your very wrong about that. Our news reporters here in the states are terrible when they report about this case. Not one of them knows what they are talking about and they present wrong info because of that. Often they have breaking news about things that we knew at SM long before them,in some cases we knew it years before. I read,listen and observe everything written and talked about before I make a decision what I believe in. Often its from many many different credible sources,people that were there and saw it,investigated it in Aruba or the words right from the very same people in this case. So much happened in this case that never was reported in the Media/American TV,it took years of research and fact finding to find what was credible and what was not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:00 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Observer777
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me with direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:17:32 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:40 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
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all of these are MEDIA reports. then please give me the raw info, i can provide mail adres where you can send it.
Encrypted if you want
[ Bericht 25% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 07:27:05 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:16 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....
all of these are MEDIA reports.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You remind me of the guy that wanted a official source on PVDS'S supreme court decision,I translated it and gave him the link. He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:37:23 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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