Misdaad
Een forum voor onopgeloste misdaden en macabere zaken uit het verleden.
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
you could have sended the data....if it wasnt a media report.....you just lost at your own game.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
Good luck. And just like you i hope Natalee Holoway case will be solved on day. and the people who are responsible will go to jail.
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Read this:
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:32 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
Shall we start counting how many credible people have said Joran had sexually assaulted and drugged others before Natalee? Shall we see how many different sources we can find before the nay sayers and spinners will agree that maybe it is true? Obviously some aren't here to learn the truth and after one thing is proven they move on to something else to attack.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
"He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!"
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
Wat is hier aaan de handquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
Een verstandig mens doet wat ik ook al een tijdje deed en nu weer verder ga doen : de vooringenomen figuren negeren. Laat ze maar lekker onder elkaar verder gaan, met bij elkaar geraapte onzin kletsen !!!! 
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
that was uncalled for.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:04 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
deedeetee:
Sorry...ff doorbijtten...klein beetje en klaar!
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verderquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaanquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:20 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik ben al aan het sjoekenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
heren.....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Heren rustig...laten we dit ook op fok.nl netjes oplossen
daar ga je bij mij al de fout in
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ik wil zijn mening over verschillende zaken horen hier.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:23 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?
dus jaag hem niet weg.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article9234541.ecequote:Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
door de redactie
di 30 mrt 2004, 10:30
Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
AMSTERDAM - De Roermondse officier van justitie Karin Janssen is in opspraak geraakt vanwege het illegaal bouwen van een woning. De Limburgse aanklager heeft in het agrarische buitengebied Sint Odiliënberg
De illegale bouw ligt gevoelig omdat Janssen in Limburg tot voor kort was belast met alle grote fraudezaken. Begin dit jaar is zij voor drie jaar is benoemd tot hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba. De gemeente Ambt Montfort, waartoe Sint Odiliënberg behoort, is inmiddels gestart met een onderzoek naar de illegale bouwpraktijken. De fraudeofficier die over drie jaar weer terugkeert naar het arrondissementsparket Roermond, blijkt tegen alle regels van het bestemmingsplan in, te hebben gehandeld. De schuur werd tot voor kort gebruikt als paardenstal.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)d_.html?pageOffset=4quote:De Vries meldde ook dat de Arubaanse advocaat van Joran, A. Carlo, op zijn eigen initiatief een vertrouwelijk gesprek met hoofdofficier van justitie Karin Janssen heeft gevoerd. De raadsman deed dat, omdat hij zijn geweten wilde ontlasten. Carlo vertelde Janssen in het geheime onderhoud dat Joran een voorname rol bij de verdwijning van Natalee heeft gehad. Het was aan justitie om bewijs hierover te vergaren.
Janssen bevestigt het geheime gesprek, maar ging niet op de inhoud in. Ook Carlo wilde in de uitzending niet zeggen waarover hij met de hoofdaanklager op Aruba heeft gesproken.
those articles don't proof anything but it shows to me that dutch officials who are fraudulent or incompetent get often sent to Aruba.
like dutch scum builds up over there (afvoerputje).
i don't know enough about the entire case.
but from what i've seen of it am getting the feeling that it stinks quite a lot.
add to that the whole Joran / Paul van der Sloot disaster we have seen unfolding in the last four weeks.
and al those lawyers on three continents trying to spin the whole thing.
i am inclined to start thinking about corruption and cover-up.
like Joran, the stoned punk with a poker addiction is just a supporting card in a house of cards.
i don't think that's too far fetched at all.
but feel free have blind believe in justice on Aruba if that makes you feel better.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Still don't know what role he plays if any. Personally my opinion is he is Daury and was the one Joran described in the secret video. He said to Patrick "I prefer not to tell names,Because he has always had my back""Look,this friend is quite clever and he's a bit older,We have been friends since **kids**"quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 08:41 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....
"I've never told anyone about this man.Its not easy""I'll never tell his name,I will take it to my grave"
"I'd give my life to help him" "I have stuff on him too" Of course he was also talking about his father when he mentioned he had to go to school and do normal things.MO..It is also possible he was talking about Koen G.
Many people in Aruba talk about him when they mention this case and one of the first names talked about. We were told from Jossy Mansur that it is more than rumor he is the half brother of Joran,they were very close and seen together quite often. Joran caught the bus near LVR"S house the day after NH went missing or the day after that. Many Arubans spoke about him in the beginning and said he was involved before the mis-information campaign started. Much rumor/speculation and mystery about this character but much of what was said about him turned out to be true from june 2005,the rest is still to be determined. His father was found hung in 2001 who owned a VW dealership and export business in Aruba. Lorenzo inherited money and is known to be crazy,borders on edge of insanity and likes to party,has a disco at his house and throws many after hour rave party's. It was rumored Natalee's clothes were found in his basement. It was reported his boat was searched and his mothers house but no forensics were done nor did they search his house at Jaraweg. He lives by himself in a big house,surrounded by barbwire,camera's and guard dogs. In 2005 a PI went to talk to him and he had armed Colombian guards guarding his property. He was questioned at least twice in this case but it was reported that the night Natalee went missing he was having a small party and one of the people provided a alibi for him. Many think he is the 5th suspect talked about in the riddles of Shango.
He was arrested in june 2007 with over 100 pot plants but he never went to trial or was convicted. We found out he met privately with a Dutch Judge and never will go to trial,and that Paul VR was not his natural father(same source). A Aruban reporter who often gives bad info said the OM made mistakes and because of that he would never go to trial.
Early post on Lorenzo mostly from Arubans(Also Pics)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
clubarias.com (Was his mothers house that was searched in this case)
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
my solution to this whole trainwreck is to have the Dutch OM issue a warrant to search the Aruban OM.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
upper right corner,
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joranquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:49 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joran
heeft iemand hier een datum van??
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:44 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
je bent goehoed!Ik weet niet of de laatste die avond was, ik heb hem wel eerder gezien die foto, inderdaad op zijn flickr site
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forumquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and combining research,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 10:15:14 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
The pic fits his statement for May 30.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:55 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htmquote:To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Sorry but Joran is is source i dont trust AT ALLquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Dutch experts say Dr. Phil tape in case of teen missing in Aruba ‘manipulated"
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
pwnedquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777
I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
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I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
There are pics of Joran in the Casino wearing white shoes, so maybe he changed them when they took a short stop at his house?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
btw ff off-topic jij zat vroeger toch ook veel in FMT?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth,wreak havoc and derail every topic.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them with what I know,it takes alot more than this to stop me from educating people what really happened in Aruba and what they did to Natalee and her Family.. I will not respond to another post of theres.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
dear Observer777,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:36 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth and wreak havoc.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them. I will not respond to another post of theirs.
then please give me all the factual information you have collected over the last couple of years. I can understand that it frustrating to have to defend what you believe is the truth. And i'll join your point of view if you give me facts, that are verifiable for you and me.
sources like FOX news or CNN are not verifiable for me, i dont have acces to that information.
if you have please share it with me, PM or i'll give you a mail adres.
But please dont accuse me of spreading Dis-info, everything i've posted in this topic is verifable for EVERYONE in this topic. I never assaulted you or told you lied. Just that you at some point dont convince me
with the sources you state. I'm not attacking the truth, the truth cannot be attach as it is fact.
but you have to provide that fact before you can claime it as the truth.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik bedoelde ook Atreidezquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:26 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
en FMT =Fok Movie Trivia waar ik een paar jaar geleden verslaafd aan was.;)Ik denk dat je beter niets meer kan zeggen die die overspannen, overemotionele monkey want die is echt niet goed bij haar/zijn hoofd. Die denkt dat hij/zij hier modereert
Zonde van je energie.[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 11:07:46 ]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Thank you very much for this clarification.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:51 schreef Caesu het volgende:
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
he/she loses all credibility.... but hey... there is so many information about this case on the net, different opinions to verify what is true or not.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i do understand his frustration.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Thank you very much for this clarification.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
I told that several times to Observer that I understand the frustration, but it seems that my written English is not clear enough or her/his eyes need glasses or he/she just don't want to understand. Reading is difficult for some peoplequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
And it's exactly what you say, the dutchies can't pickup this information that fast, with links and transcripts and vague stories about pics and so few actual FACTS. For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently and BAM she/he is not responding the his posts anymore, talking about credibility..... snapje wat ik bedoel?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Absolutely, there effort in this case is amezing, and I absoluutly understand observer777's frustration with my questions and staments, However i hope he will be back and will still talk to me. else mabye tommorow with PrdV on SM, he will be able to share the info with him. But im pretty sure he would like to have facts, and would dismiss media reports. Because he (PrdV) knows very well the worth of the reports without having the facts to back it up. And he will probably not use other media sources in his contining quest for the truth about natalee. (So far he didnt use them, to my knowledge)quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
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Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:19 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:34 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Oh well... sounds factual to mequote:Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
But hey, we are blabbing here about a discussion which is no discussion at all...
Let see the facts
Let see the facts
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheidquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:14 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verder
: ik heb niks tegen MADMaster hoor. Die zit idd dáár en wij niet. Ik bedoelde dat ik die Observer van het begin af aan al een zeer merkwaardig figuur vond. Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.
zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
