Crisis in Oekra�ne #118 And so it begins

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 14:52 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Je liegt, dat vind ik jammer. Het grootste gedeelte van oost oekraine heeft namelijk kunnen stemmen. Enkele steden konden niet stemmen. Er is een grote meerderheid gekomen van stemmen voor de huidige regering, ondanks dat oost oekraine ook mee kon stemmen op een legale wijze, zonder bewapende mensen rondom glazen hokjes. Jammer dat je de waarheid verdoezelt, waarom doe je dit??

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:10 schreef RetepV het volgende:

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De Duitsers hoeven geen Risk meer te gaan spelen. Langzamerhand krijgen alle economisch zwakke landen in Europa enorme schulden bij Duitsland. Duitsland hoeft die landen niet in te nemen om ze te laten doen wat Duitsland wil.

En door het Schengen verdrag is het ook al niet meer nodig om landen in te nemen. Er zijn namelijk eigenlijk geen grenzen meer na dat tekenen daarvan.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:21 schreef Igen het volgende:
Wat de dollar betreft:

De BRICs hebben zelf massa's aan dollars. India heeft $320 miljard aan buitenlandse reserves, Brazili� $373 miljard, Rusland $478 miljard, China zelfs $4 biljoen(!). Denk je dat China het wil riskeren dat de waarde van die biljoenen dollars van hun keldert, alleen maar om Rusland (en niet zichzelf) een geopolitiek voordeel te geven? Denk je dat Rusland zelf de waarde van hun honderden miljarden dollars op het spel wil zetten?

Alleen al daarom zal het in zo'n vaart niet lopen. Poetin zegt zelf ook al dat hij de verandering heel voorzichtig wil doorvoeren. Kortom, storm in een glas water, leuk verhaaltje om even te scoren in de media.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:30 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
Hebben jullie ook vandaag de belachelijke krantenkoppen (in bold nog wel) gezien?

Moest echt ff stilstaan en mezelf knijpen.

Nog even en men plaatst direct alles wat iemand op twitter zet op de voorpagina

Je zou je toch echt kapot moeten schamen als je deze tijden nog bij de krant werkt..

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:32 schreef Igen het volgende:

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De krant die ik lees kopt "Het Kalifaat is niet te stoppen". Met dat ene woord in bold. Is geloof ik niet zo heel erg belachelijk.

Zag bij de supermarkt ook een paar andere kranten liggen, dat was wel een beetje beschamend ja.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:39 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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pics?

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Wat dan?!
Dit was De Standaard vandaag:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:53 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:

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In de supermarkten hadden alle kranten koppen als "Oekraine vernietigd russisch konvooi, de wereld kijkt/wacht naar/op reactie van poetin" oid.

Om jezelf van in het gras te werpen, kon bijna niet bevatten dat dat in de kranten staat

Kan het online niet zo snel vinden, neem er wel een foto van anders, plaats em later vanavond.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:04 schreef Igen het volgende:
Onder andere de Telegraaf: "Tikkende tijdbom // Oekra�ne schiet Russische tanks aan flarden // Wereld kijkt naar Poetin"

En Trouw, met "Escalatie in strijd Oekra�ne-Rusland // Kiev: Russisch militair konvooi deels vernietigd. Moskou ontkent" als voorpaginakop.

NRC heeft iets over ISIS, Volkskrant heeft ook ISIS, AD heeft Dafne Schippers als hoofditem.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:22 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:22 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:22 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:25 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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Paniekbericht over Rusland, een paniekberichtje over boze moslims en een berichtje over (neem ik aan) de zoon van Dries Roelvink, een vrij standaard voorpagina voor de Telegraaf toch?

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:28 schreef erik013 het volgende:
Snap overigens niet waarom Nederland en andere Europese landen niet allang het voorbeeld van Denemarken zijn gaan volgen door te zorgen dat ze niet meer afhankelijk zijn van Russisch gas. Dat is veel beter dan die sancties.

Of zijn ze daar nu ook eens een keer mee bezig?

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 15:10 schreef BlaZ het volgende:

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Dit is denk ik het voorname probleem in Ukraine. Door de massale corruptie heeft het volk �berhaupt geen fiducie in de politiek.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:06 schreef RetepV het volgende:

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Nou, ik weet wel zeker dat de twijfelaars definitief overstag gingen toen duidelijk werd dat Kiev er geen probleem van maakt om het leger op burgers af te sturen.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:28 schreef erik013 het volgende:
Snap overigens niet waarom Nederland en andere Europese landen niet allang het voorbeeld van Denemarken zijn gaan volgen door te zorgen dat ze niet meer afhankelijk zijn van Russisch gas. Dat is veel beter dan die sancties.

Of zijn ze daar nu ook eens een keer mee bezig?

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:31 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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Ze praten er wel over, maar echt concrete plannen zijn er nog niet.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:42 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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De sancties zijn niet bedoeld als een wapen tegen de afhankelijkheid van Russisch gas.

Nederland is nauwelijks afhankelijk van Russisch gas, en heeft sinds kort plannen om gedeeltelijk over te schakelen op duurzame energiebonnen (14% duurzaam over tien jaar, het is een begin).

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:22 schreef remlof het volgende:
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But evidence of Russian military vehicles captured or destroyed on Ukrainian territory would give extra force to Kiev's allegations - and possibly spark a new round of sanctions against the Kremlin.

Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the Ukrainian military, told a news briefing that Kiev's forces had picked up a Russian military column crossing the border under cover of darkness.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:14 schreef Vasilevski het volgende:
En, is 'it' al begonnen?

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En wat een overweldigende vertrouwensstem voor Kiev was dat. Zie hier de opkomst:

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In andere delen van Oost-Oekra�ne is inderdaad geen gewapende opstand, maar zijn er wel demonstraties en bezettingen geweest, met bekende gevolgen in het geval van Odessa. Vrede en veiligheid in het oosten dus, en wie daar een probleem mee heeft wordt in de fik gezet, of krijgt een priv�militie van een oligarch op zijn dak. Vrijheid blijheid dus inderdaad.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:54 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Men is er volop mee bezig, er zijn al diverse LNG-terminals bv maar dit is niet iets wat je van vandaag op morgen voor elkaar hebt. Nederland heeft overigens in principe geen Russisch gas nodig. Maar het uitputten van Slochteren uitstellen is altijd gunstig, zelfs als je daar Russisch gas voor gebruikt.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:42 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Nederland is nauwelijks afhankelijk van Russisch gas, en heeft sinds kort plannen om gedeeltelijk over te schakelen op duurzame energiebonnen (14% duurzaam over tien jaar, het is een begin).

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 18:01 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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Wel een vrij mager begin. Je zou toch denken dat we er onder het motto 'never waste a good crisis' wel eens serieus werk zou gaan maken van het verduurzamen van onze energievoorziening, al helemaal omdat het op de lange termijn onvermijdelijk is en we nu tegen een record lage rente geld kunnen lenen.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:14 schreef Vasilevski het volgende:
En, is 'it' al begonnen?

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En wat een overweldigende vertrouwensstem voor Kiev was dat. Zie hier de opkomst:

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In andere delen van Oost-Oekra�ne is inderdaad geen gewapende opstand, maar zijn er wel demonstraties en bezettingen geweest, met bekende gevolgen in het geval van Odessa. Vrede en veiligheid in het oosten dus, en wie daar een probleem mee heeft wordt in de fik gezet, of krijgt een priv�militie van een oligarch op zijn dak. Vrijheid blijheid dus inderdaad.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 16:26 schreef erik013 het volgende:

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Met name in de Russische media, waar waarschijnlijk vanavond op het journaal te horen is dat Poetin Amerika in een acute recessie heeft gebracht en de dollar kapot gemaakt heeft.
_{Met uiteraard een foto van Poetin die op een grizzly beer rijdt erbij}

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Liveuamap twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 15:41:33 What the Russians need from Ukraine - map via @washingtonpost http://t.co/JeWUoLpVNv reageer retweet

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Liveuamap twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 12:37:08 Ukrainian forces almost cut off Horlivka and Yenakijeve from Donetsk. http://t.co/pXZwGXyK6f http://t.co/3KhmhDJbwA reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 12:03:40 Ukrainian forces ended up not trying to capture Yenakijeve (opting to encircle it together with #Horlivka), but took nearby Zhdanivka instead reageer retweet

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Liveuamap twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:16:02 Ukrainian airforces have destroyed terrorists base at Autoagregat plant in Krasnodon via @itass http://t.co/0PqnI77Cpx reageer retweet

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Liveuamap twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:42:11 Office of the gas company KUB-Gas was burnt in Luhansk http://t.co/5zzN2vec5J via @LUGANSK_TODAY http://t.co/ch0XaIqgnj reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 09:26:41 #Ukraine SBU dep chief Yanhun: #Russia aid convoy passed by border points with facilities to scan cargo, chose Izvaryne without such facilities reageer retweet

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Nikopol5 twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:22:44 @Liveuamap Testing phase of reverse flow of gas from Slovakia to Ukraine, Vojany - Uzhgorod has started http://t.co/nifANIQGSg reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:26 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
Dit is gewoon een schandaal dat ze dat in de krant, notabene in de kop.. zetten.
Die krant zou een inval moeten krijgen vanwege geschiedvervalsing en opjutting.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:04 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Nog erger, De Telegraaf: "Oekraine schiet Russische tanks aan flarden"

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 17:25 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
Tja indd, maar het volk leest dat en heeft het er bij de koffie over, en voor je het weet loopt 75% van de nederlandse bevolking het na te praten, en je krijgt het er niet meer uit want 'het stond tog in de krante?'

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 19:32 schreef Kloon7 het volgende:

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Langzaam maar zeker zie ik hier op FOK! ook dat steeds meer mensen (beetje bij beetje) verder gaan kijken dan hun neus lang is en ziet dat de media opzettelijk leugens verkoopt aan het volk en de boel wil ophitsen..

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HET IS WAAR WANT HET WAS OP HET NIEUWS, POETIN IS EEN BAD MAN EN HIJ MOET BLOEDEN!!!111

Het is gewoon lachwekkend, de prestatie van de media in Nederland.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 19:36 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Ik heb foto's, dan ben jij de eerste. Kopen voor 75.000k? hehe

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 19:47 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 20:09 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 20:09 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 19:47 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 20:08 schreef Nintex het volgende:
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"Lange leve de EU, heil Verhofstadt!"

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"Fuck jullie allemaal ik regel dit zelf"

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"Stomme kut van Baalen ik kom je halen"

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"Putin, stop met deze agressie"

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"Fuck jou Obama"

[ afbeelding ]"Maak je geen zorgen Obama, wij hebben ook een leger"

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"Talk to the tank, Bitch"

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 21:06 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

Residential Areas Of Luhansk Oblast Shelled By Russian Artillery In Ukraine, Aug 16 2014

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Ukraine Plays Down Significance of Destruction of Russian Military Convoy

Ukraine and Russia on Saturday appeared to be seeking to avoid a broader confrontation in the wake of Kiev's claim it destroyed most of a Russian military convoy that entered its territory, as the European Union intensified its efforts to bring the two countries to the negotiating table.

Col. Andriy Lysenko, the Ukrainian government's security spokesman, said Saturday that Ukrainian artillery had destroyed most of a Russian column of military vehicles that entered the country earlier in the week. But he described the episode as a commonplace incident, refused to release further details, and gave no indication that it marked the start of a more direct military engagement between Russia and Ukraine.

"This was a traditional route of movement of armored convoys to the territory of Ukraine, and the Ukraine military were able to destroy most of those convoys," Col. Lysenko said.

No photographs have surfaced of the aftermath of the attack, which Russia's Defense Ministry dismissed on Friday as "some kind of fantasy." The claim, marking the most direct and publicized military clash between Russia and Ukraine since the conflict began, jolted global markets Friday.

Western officials slammed the apparent incursion but some played down the significance of the incident, noting that military equipment was believed to have been flowing over the border to pro-Russia separatists for months. Col. Lysenko's comments backed up the idea that the incident didn't represent a military turning point in the conflict.

Meanwhile, European leaders intensified efforts on Saturday to bring Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table, trying to calm a crisis that has escalated since the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last month. Finnish President Sauli Niinisto shuttled to Kiev to meet with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko after sitting down with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi, Russia. French President Fran�ois Hollande called for calm after consulting with European Commission President Jos� Manuel Barroso ahead of a meeting of the Ukrainian, Russian, French and German foreign ministers in Berlin on Sunday.

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At one point Saturday afternoon, blasts could be heard apparently coming from the Ukrainian side of the border. Soon an ambulance with Russian license plates drove through the border checkpoint toward Ukraine. An official with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which has been monitoring the checkpoint, said the blasts could have been artillery rounds.

"This has been going on for the past days and weeks," said the official, Paul Picard. "It was more quiet here recently."

Mr. Picard said the OSCE had observed groups of young men in military-style dress crossing back and forth across the border in the past two weeks.

"Some of them have backpacks but we have never seen weapons," Mr. Picard said. "They are going in both directions. It happens randomly, but on a regular basis."

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Ukrainian and Russian sides reached agreements on customs and inspection of humanitarian aid from Russia. This is representative of the International Committee of the Red Cross Pascal Kyutta.

He said that the committee sent in Kyiv formal request for authorization on the territory of Ukraine dopravlennya humanitarian aid from Russia. According to the Committee, after such approval has been received, negotiate guarantees of security, to give both sides.

"As soon as we will guarantee we immediately start the movement. But when it happens, we do not know "- said Kyutta.

Negotiations Ukrainian and Russian sides continued on Saturday at the border.

International Committee of the Red Cross to mediate the issue of humanitarian aid from Russia.

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Biden, Poroshenko say Russia's actions not humanitarian in Ukraine

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden agreed in a call with Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko on Saturday that Russia's military activities in eastern Ukraine were inconsistent with its stated desire to improve the humanitarian situation there, the White House said.

"The two leaders agreed that Russia's sending military columns across the border into Ukraine and its continued provision of advanced weapons to the separatists was inconsistent with any desire to improve the humanitarian situation in eastern Ukraine," the White House said in a statement about the call between Biden and Poroshenko.

"Both leaders reaffirmed their support for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis and called on Russia to enter into good faith negotiations."

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Berlin meet could be first step to Ukraine-Russia peace summit - France
Sat, Aug 16 13:24 PM BST

PARIS (Reuters) - A meeting of Ukrainian, Russian, German and French foreign ministers scheduled in Berlin on Sunday could be a first step towards a Ukraine-Russia peace summit along the lines of one that took place in Normandy last month, the French government said on Saturday.

The French statement followed a discussion earlier in the day between President Francois Hollande and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and came after an apparent escalation of tensions between the two ex-Soviet states.

Hollande called on Russia to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity and said Ukraine should exercise "restraint and discernment in its military activities" and called for a renewed "political process".

"Both men underlined the humanitarian urgency and the needs of the population in the east of Ukraine," the statement said.

"France is ready for a new summit in the Normandy format to support the process. The meeting of French, German, Ukrainian and Russian foreign ministers planned for Sunday could be a first step towards that meeting."

On Friday Ukraine said its artillery destroyed part of an armoured column from Russia that entered its territory overnight, and said its forces came under shellfire from Russia in what appeared to be a major military escalation between the ex-Soviet states.

Russia's government denied its forces had crossed into Ukraine, calling the Ukrainian report "some kind of fantasy", and in turn raised its own serious concerns about activity by the U.S.-led NATO defence alliance near its borders.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said he was hopeful the meeting in Berlin would be a step towards ending the crisis in Ukraine.

"I hope that it will finally be possible to bring about an end to these violent confrontations and to get urgently needed aid to the people affected by the violence in eastern Ukraine," he told German newspaper Bild am Sonntag in an advance copy of an article due to be published on Sunday.

(Reporting by Andrew Callus; Editing by Stephen Powell)

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Ukraine separatist leader says rebels getting tanks and reinforcements

DONETSK, Ukraine, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Ukrainian rebels are receiving new armoured vehicles and fighters trained in Russia, with which they plan to launch a major counter-offensive against government forces, a separatist leader said in a video released on Saturday.

The four-month conflict in eastern Ukraine has reached a critical phase, with Kiev and Western governments watching nervously to see if Russia will intervene in support of the increasingly besieged rebels - an intention Moscow denies.

Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said the rebels were in the process of receiving some 150 armoured vehicles, including 30 tanks, and 1,200 fighters who he said had spent four months training in Russia.

"They are joining at the most crucial moment," he said in a video recorded on Friday. He did not specify where the vehicles would come from.

Moscow has come under heavy Western sanctions over its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea and accusations it is supporting separatists in east Ukraine with fighters, arms and funds. Russia denies those charges.

In a sign of concern at the latest rebel comments, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko agreed in a phone call on Saturday that deliveries of weapons to separatists in Ukraine must stop and a ceasefire must be achieved, a German government spokesman said.

The risk of outright war between the two most powerful former Soviet states was highlighted on Friday when Ukraine said it partially destroyed an armoured column that had crossed the border from Russia. The report triggered a sell-off in global shares.

But Moscow made no threat of retaliation, instead saying it was a "fantasy" that its armoured vehicles had entered its neighbour's territory.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden also spoke to Poroshenko on Saturday, and the White House said: "The two leaders agreed that Russia's sending military columns across the border into Ukraine and its continued provision of advanced weapons to the separatists was inconsistent with any desire to improve the humanitarian situation in eastern Ukraine."

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin called on NATO to provide military support for Ukrainian troops.

The rebels, who have ceded ground to government forces in recent weeks, have been promising a counter-offensive for several days but have yet to launch one.

Ukrainian native Zakharchenko took over from Russian citizen Alexander Borodai last week and his combative comments will probably dash hopes that changes at the top of the rebel leadership might signal willingness to end hostilities.

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Rebel leader says 1,200 Russian fighters, weapons en route to eastern Ukraine

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In Donetsk, Zakharchenko also said that in past days the self-styled Donetsk and Luhansk "people's republics" have regained control over a strategically important road leading from Russia to Luhansk and Donetsk, which would allow for the Russian humanitarian convoy waiting on the border in Kamensk-Shakhtinksy to pass through without any hitches.

The road has also acted as an essential supply route for bringing military reinforcements to the regions from Russia, according to Kyiv and Western intelligence.

"The corridor between the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics exists now. Krasny Luch has been freed up completely, except for a small part in the outskirts, a small Ukrainian forces unit," the rebel leader said. "Luhansk has been rescued by the LNR [Luhansk People's Republic] forces. Together with the Luhansk forces, we have taken over Sverdlovsk. We took over Musisnsk, we are holding Vahrushevo. So there is a direct road to Luhansk."

Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council had said that it controlled the corridor, having cut off the rebels' access to Luhansk Oblast from Donetsk between the cities of Shakhtarsk and Torez near where Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was purportedly shot out of the sky. Kyiv and the West believe it was hit by a rocket from a Soviet-era Buk advanced surface-to-air missile system smuggled across the Russia-Ukraine border.

But a journey down the highway from Donetsk to Snizhne on Aug. 16 proved Kyiv's report to be false. Several block posts along the route were manned by armed rebels, and while burned out armored vehicles, craters from shelling and bullet casings strewn about the road and surrounding fields indicated recent fights, there was no sign of Ukraine's armed forces near the highway or within several kilometers of it.

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Ukraine officially recognizes Russian aid convoy as humanitarian

Ukraine Minister of Social Policy Lyudmila Denisova has signed an order officially recognizing the Russian convoy stuck at the border as humanitarian aid of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

"In accordance with Articles 4 and 5 of the Law of Ukraine 'On Humanitarian Aid' considering the initiative of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on receiving humanitarian aid within the framework of international humanitarian missions under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to recognize the cargo as humanitarian aid,” the document reads.

The Russian aid shipment consists of 12 types of goods weighting 1856.3 tons according to an official letter from the Red Cross received by the Ukrainian ministry on Saturday, which complies with the cargo declared by Russia.

Kiev granted Russian cargo humanitarian aid status after the Red Cross sent a petition to Kiev to allow the Russian humanitarian aid to enter eastern Ukraine, after the Russian cargo was held at the Ukrainian border since August 14.

Russia sent 280 trucks with medical supplies, food, including baby food, sleeping bags and other basic necessities to southeastern Ukraine on Tuesday. But the cargo still has not reached the residents of the regions badly hit by the conflict as the Kiev government has procrastinated in designating Russian aid as humanitarian cargo.

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Rusland woedend over arrestatie van hacker in Amerika

Een Amerikaanse rechter heeft besloten dat een Rus moet worden vastgezet op verdenking van het hacken van computersystemen van winkels in de Verenigde Staten. De 30-jarige hacker is de zoon van een prominente Russische politicus, en zijn arrestatie leidt tot grote woede in Rusland.

De man wordt in de staat Washington verdacht van het stelen van honderdduizenden credit card-gegevens. Zijn rechtszaak is pas in oktober, maar de rechter heeft hem achter tralies laten zetten omdat het gevaar bestaat dat de hacker het land ontvlucht. Dat gevaar is re�el, aldus de rechter, want hij heeft toegang tot grote geldbedragen, reist vaak en kan reisdocumenten vervalsen.

Meteen na zijn arrestatie vorige maand liet het Russisch ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken weten dat ze zijn aanhouding zien als kidnapping, en dat Amerika een verdrag tussen de landen overtreedt. Rusland eist zijn onmiddellijke vrijlating. De vader van de verdachte is lid van het Russisch parlement en liet weten dat hij er alles aan zal doen om te zorgen dat zijn zoon vrij komt. Het Amerikaans Openbaar Ministerie zegt dat de man een eerlijk proces krijgt maar dat hij geen privileges geniet.

De aanhouding heeft de diplomatieke spanningen tussen Amerika en Rusland nog verder doen toenemen. De relatie tussen de twee landen is al op een dieptepunt door de Russische acties in Oekra�ne.

De hacker wordt verdacht van bankfraude, het beschadigen van computers, het stelen van informatie en identiteitsdiefstal. Tussen 2009 en 2011 zou hij ook credit card-nummers hebben gestolen.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 08:34 schreef J.B. het volgende:
In dat konvooi zou 1862 ton aan hulpgoederen vervoerd worden, waarom je daar 262 vrachtwagens voor nodig hebt mag Joost weten; dat verklaart in ieder geval waarom die vrachtwagens allemaal zo leeg zijn.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 08:07 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is not satisfied with the explanation that the Maldives provided over the detention of the Russian citizen Roman Seleznev by the US special service agents, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Friday.

"We are not satisfied by the explanations that were given. The fact that the Maldives has no special legislation on extradition issues does not justify the violation of basic international legal acts on human rights and the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. On the contrary, special attention should be paid to general constitutional and international norms, which guarantee the right for legal protection and fair trial and prohibit arbitrary arrest, detention, or deportation," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

The Foreign Ministry of the Maldives said it had received an Interpol Red Notice for Seleznev and handed him over to the country that issued the warrant, because the Maldives has no legislation on extradition and in such cases its law enforcement bodies rely on "standard procedures."

The ministerial statement reacts to the arrest of the Russian national Roman Seleznev, who was detained earlier this month on a warrant issued by a US court in 2011 at the airport of Male and was transported to the US island of Guam. The United States authorities accuse Seleznev of a computer fraud as well as stealing credit card and personal data of American citizens. Seleznev denies the charges, while his lawyers demand his release and dismissal of the case on the grounds that he had been kidnapped in the Maldives. Such a violation of the law invalidates any court proceedings, according to Seleznev's legal team.

Russia's Foreign Ministry advised Russians to avoid traveling to Maldives if they have grounds to believe that "law enforcement bodies of third states may put forward any kind of claim against them," stating that the government of the Maldives promised to review the legal framework leading up to the incident with Seleznev.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 08:34 schreef J.B. het volgende:
In dat konvooi zou 1862 ton aan hulpgoederen vervoerd worden, waarom je daar 262 vrachtwagens voor nodig hebt mag Joost weten; dat verklaart in ieder geval waarom die vrachtwagens allemaal zo leeg zijn.

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 12:02:50 300 terrorists that were in Lugansk,are taking off LNR flags and plan to escape the city as civilians refugees #ATO reageer retweet

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:04:19 Chechen mercenaries are leaving from Yenakievo and Gorlovka #ATO reageer retweet

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:05:30 According to current information, the bulk of militants planning to leave the Donetsk region before 18 August reageer retweet

(English) Andriy Lysenko. Ukraine Crisis Media Center, 16th of August 2014

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Most militants planning to leave Donetsk region by August 18 - NSDC

Panic is escalating in the ranks of militants operating in eastern Ukraine, and there are reports that most of them will leave Donetsk region by August 18, National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) information and analytical center spokesman Andriy Lysenko has said.

"Panic won't already be soothed, because an active offensive of Ukrainian troops has completely demoralized militants. There is operational information that about 300 fighters who remained in Luhansk are already removing the flags of the so-called LPR from administrative buildings of the city. Chechen mercenaries are leaving Yenakiyeve and Horlivka. Nearly a hundred local criminals, who remain in these cities, indiscriminately fire at residential areas and civilians," he said at a briefing on Saturday.

Lysenko said that representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic terrorist organization used blank passports of Ukrainian citizens to produce false documents in order to freely leave the area of the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) under the guise of refugees.

"According to the latest information, most militants are planning to leave Donetsk region by August 18," he added.

He also said that gunmen dressed as civilians, taking only passports and trying to cross the roadblocks of Ukrainian security forces on passenger transport under the guise of civilians.

"Only in the last three days, at a checkpoint near Debaltseve in Donetsk region, Ukrainian National Guard servicemen detained 13 men aged from 20 to 45, who are suspected of terrorist activities. Those detained included the field commander of a Luhansk-based terrorist group," Lysenko said.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 08:07 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 09:19 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Zal geen toeval geweest zijn, benieuwd of de Russen wraak gaan nemen, een Amerikaan arresteren voor spionage bvb en een uitwisseling voorstellen.

De Maldiven zullen in de toekomst ook geen gunsten van Rusland moeten verwachten.

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Separatisten schieten Oekra�ens gevechtsvliegtuig uit de lucht


Pro-Russische separatisten hebben in de nacht van zaterdag op zondag een Oekra�ens gevechtsvliegtuig uit de lucht geschoten.

De piloot wist zichzelf via een schietstoel in veiligheid te brengen en is inmiddels gevonden, zei een Oekra�ense legerwoordvoerder.

Het incident gebeurde in het oosten van het land, in de regio Loehansk.

Het toestel dat is neergehaald zou een MiG-29 zijn, een straaljager.

Hulp

Ondertussen vraagt de Oekra�ense minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Pavlo Klimkin de Europese Unie en de NAVO meer te doen voor het land.

Behalve politieke zou ook militaire hulp nodig zijn om de situatie in het oosten van het land onder controle te krijgen. Dat zegt Klimkin zondag in een vraaggesprek met de radiozender Deutschlandfunk.

"We hebben militaire hulp nodig. Want met die hulp zou het voor onze troepen gemakkelijker zijn om ter plaatse op te treden", aldus Klimkin. Toch is volgens de bewindsman op dit moment vooral politieke hulp belangrijk.

Controle

Oekra�ne zal de situatie in het oosten van het land hoe dan ook onder controle krijgen, benadrukte de bewindsman. "Uiteindelijk gaat het niet om het militaire offensief. Het gaat om het zwijgen van de wapens. Het gaat om een vreedzame oplossing." De pro-Russische separatisten weigeren volgens Klimkin echter overleg. "Ze willen niet praten."

De EU zou Oekra�ne meer moeten helpen bij het doorvoeren van hervormingen. De NAVO zou moeten helpen bij het hervormen van de Oekra�ense strijdkrachten, maar ook bij terrorismebestrijding en cybersecurity. Een lidmaatschap van de NAVO is volgens hem op dit moment niet aan de orde.

De EU en de NAVO zouden bij zichzelf te rade moeten gaan wat ze moeten doen als een partij alle regels en beloften aan zijn laars lapt. Dat deed Rusland volgens Klimkin bij de annexatie van de Krim eerder dit jaar. maar ook nu in de oostelijke Oekra�ense regio's Donetsk en Loehansk.

In de praktijk voert Rusland volgens Klimkin een oorlog tegen Oekra�ne. "Als men dan zegt: daar valt niet veel aan te doen, leidt dat toch tot de vraag hoe je dan nog kunt worden gezien als een partner die zijn verantwoordelijkheid neemt.
Bron: nu.nl

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 10:55 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:
Oekra�ne zal de situatie in het oosten van het land hoe dan ook onder controle krijgen, benadrukte de bewindsman. "Uiteindelijk gaat het niet om het militaire offensief. Het gaat om het zwijgen van de wapens. Het gaat om een vreedzame oplossing." De pro-Russische separatisten weigeren volgens Klimkin echter overleg. "Ze willen niet praten."

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De EU en de NAVO zouden bij zichzelf te rade moeten gaan wat ze moeten doen als een partij alle regels en beloften aan zijn laars lapt. Dat deed Rusland volgens Klimkin bij de annexatie van de Krim eerder dit jaar. Maar ook nu in de oostelijke Oekra�ense regio's Donetsk en Loehansk.

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In de praktijk voert Rusland volgens Klimkin een oorlog tegen Oekra�ne. "Als men dan zegt: daar valt niet veel aan te doen, leidt dat toch tot de vraag hoe je dan nog kunt worden gezien als een partner die zijn verantwoordelijkheid neemt.

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Ukraine Plays Down Significance of Destruction of Russian Military Convoy

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Col. Andriy Lysenko, the Ukrainian government's security spokesman, said Saturday that Ukrainian artillery had destroyed most of a Russian column of military vehicles that entered the country earlier in the week. But he described the episode as a commonplace incident, refused to release further details and gave no indication that it marked the start of a more direct military engagement between Russia and Ukraine.

"This was a traditional route of movement of armored convoys to the territory of Ukraine, and the Ukraine military were able to destroy most of those convoys," Col. Lysenko said.

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No photographs have surfaced of the aftermath of the attack, which Russia's Defense Ministry dismissed on Friday as "some kind of fantasy." The claim, marking the most direct and publicized military clash between Russia and Ukraine since the conflict began, jolted global markets Friday.

Western officials slammed the apparent incursion but some played down the significance of the incident, noting that military equipment was believed to have been flowing over the border to pro-Russia separatists for months. Col. Lysenko's comments backed up the idea that the incident didn't represent a military turning point in the conflict.

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European leaders intensified efforts on Saturday to bring Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table, trying to calm a crisis that has escalated since the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last month. Finnish President Sauli Niinisto shuttled to Kiev to meet with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko after sitting down with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi, Russia. French President Fran�ois Hollande called for calm after consulting with European Commission President Jos� Manuel Barroso ahead of a meeting of the Ukrainian, Russian, French and German foreign ministers in Berlin on Sunday.

"Mr. Hollande repeated that Russia must commit to respecting Ukraine's territorial integrity and called on Ukraine to show restraint and discernment in the ongoing military operations against the separatists," the French president's office said in a statement. "It is necessary to re-create the conditions for and resume a meaningful political process."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday called on Moscow to respond to reports that tanks and troops had crossed from Russia into Ukraine. Ms. Merkel spoke on the phone with Mr. Poroshenko, and the two said arms deliveries from Russian territory to pro-Russia rebels in Ukraine should stop.

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Kiev and the rebels gave conflicting accounts of the situation in eastern Ukraine, where government forces have tried to encircle the main separatist strongholds, the Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Luhansk. Col. Lysenko said rebels in those cities were losing faith and trying to sneak out wearing civilian clothes.

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But Alexander Zakharchenko, the new leader of the rebel government known as the Donetsk People's Republic, said in a video posted online that his forces had been reinforced recently with 1,200 servicemen who had trained at a camp in Russia for four months. He said the rebels had also gathered 150 armored vehicles, including about 30 tanks. In a later video interview with Russia's LifeNews website, Mr. Zakharchenko said the equipment had been left behind by Ukraine's military, not sent by Russia.

"The Ukrainian forces have left us so much military equipment that we don't even have enough time to form the crews," Mr. Zakharchenko said.

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After five hours of talks, a Red Cross official said both sides had agreed how to proceed "in terms of clearing, inspecting and preparing the convoy" to eventually bring the goods into eastern Ukraine.

"At this stage, the technical, and fiscal, and paperwork procedures are all cleared," said Pascal Cuttat, head of regional delegation of ICRC for Russia, Belarus and Moldova.

But it is unclear when the convoy will set off. Mr. Cuttat said the Red Cross was waiting for security guarantees from all sides, and Ukraine is yet to inspect the goods in the vehicles and give its approval for them to be delivered.

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Donetsk
Zondagochtend zijn ten minste tien burgers omgekomen in de stad Donetsk, die in handen is van rebellen en omsingeld door Kiev. "De situatie in de stad is gespannen. In alle wijken worden geregeld zware artilleriebeschietingen gehoord", aldus de lokale autoriteiten. Meerdere winkels zijn beschadigd. In minder dan een week tijd zijn negentig doden gevallen en 130 gewonden tijdens gevechten in de stad.

De separatisten krijgen nieuw militair materiaal en strijders uit Rusland, waarmee ze een groot tegenoffensief willen lanceren. Dat zei Alexander Zachartsjenko, de 'premier' van de zelfverklaarde Volksrepubliek Donetsk vrijdag in een video die zaterdag naar buiten kwam.

Volgens hem krijgen de rebellen 150 gewapende voertuigen, waaronder dertig tanks, en 1.200 strijders die een training van vier maanden in Rusland hadden gekregen. Hij zei niet waar de gewapende voertuigen vandaan kwamen.

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Mister_Ka twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:04:44 Armed #NATO #convoy spotted in #Poland moving towards #Ukraine" - http://t.co/RcRRc3pbCe #Russia reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 13:00 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:

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Mister_Ka twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:04:44 Armed #NATO #convoy spotted in #Poland moving towards #Ukraine" - http://t.co/RcRRc3pbCe #Russia reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 13:06 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Sommige berichten zijn zo overduidelijk onzin.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 10:13 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Ik zie steeds meer berichtjes dat de rebellen de ingesloten gebieden verlaten. Dit is wss de bron:

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 12:02:50 300 terrorists that were in Lugansk,are taking off LNR flags and plan to escape the city as civilians refugees #ATO reageer retweet

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:04:19 Chechen mercenaries are leaving from Yenakievo and Gorlovka #ATO reageer retweet

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NSDC_ua twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 13:05:30 According to current information, the bulk of militants planning to leave the Donetsk region before 18 August reageer retweet

en verspreid via de Ukraine Crisis Media Center

(English) Andriy Lysenko. Ukraine Crisis Media Center, 16th of August 2014

Kan ook propaganda zijn om de vijand aan te zetten om dat doen.

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Dat je het vast weet.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 13:34 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Ik vermoedde dat het humanitair convooi een "face saving way" was om een einde te maken aan de strijd. Hoop dat het klopt...

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 14-08-2014 om 22:45:46 #Ukraine's SBU released audio of RU fighter telling FSB handler that DPR is doomed & they need to resort to terrorism http://t.co/fiTEf9zxzz reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 23:34 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
A National Security and Defense Council map of the situation in Ukraine's embattled eastern regions on Aug. 16 shows a sliver of territory between Shakhtarsk and Torez to be controlled by government forces. However, a journey by a Kyiv Post journalist down the highway between the cities proved that Russian-backed rebels still controlled much of the area Kyiv reported to have reclaimed, including a vital highway.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 00:50 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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JodocusQuak twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 15:24:29 @MiddleEast_BRK UKR forces near Krasny Luch are trapped since yesterday, when NAF retook Marinovka and created a new cauldron. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 12:36:57 Impressive Russian invaders "documentary" about the victory over the Ukr army in #Miusinsk.https://t.co/cfLaUpXdod http://t.co/kxz7TVfCe8 reageer retweet

Ополченцы проводят зачистку города Миусинск - отряд Моторолы 17.08.2014

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 12:41:45 Meanwhile today's ATO #map (propaganda) shows #Miusinsk still under ukrainian army control ... http://t.co/T9ygU1g90F reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 13:06 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Sommige berichten zijn zo overduidelijk onzin.

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 07:56:21 Pro-UA Donbas Battalion cmdr: contrary to media reports our situation is now more complicated, war won't end soon https://t.co/0CSpTGGDlr reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 08:52:51 Fierce combat between #ATO forces & terrorists r on at Saur-Mohyla, #Donbas Semenchenko https://t.co/r06m9vKigA |EMPR http://t.co/O4Xtv5umxw reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 10:52:05 Large Russian forces recently brought into #Ukraine are paying off: Ukraine is losing the Savur-Mohyla strategic height near Russian border reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:37:09 #Poroshenko: #Ukraine Armed Forces took control of city Yasynuvata #Donetsk region, which is of strategic importance https://t.co/WVBp0PIq2W reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:43:14 Avakov: #Ukraine police and volunteers are establishing a paramilitary order in Yasynuvata and Avdeevka, #Donetk reg https://t.co/Cxc0rtp3MU reageer retweet

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The tomb of Stepan Bandera was blowned up tonight in Munich

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 21:28 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Luhansk Oblast is een beetje vaag, gebied zo groot als Belgi�. Enig idee van de exacte locatie?

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 12:34:15 Battalion Aydar says it lost 5 troops since yesterday, 15 more got injured. All in #Khryashchuvate, south east of #Luhansk city. reageer retweet

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MrKovalenko twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 19:01:51 Today's video of burning #Khryashchuvate village near #Luhansk, liberated on August 15, but shelled by terrorists. http://t.co/Ar17L8HnFv reageer retweet

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Liveuamap twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 00:07:55 Terrorists shelled Khryashchuvate near Luhansk https://t.co/OuxPWPhrGI via @LUGANSK_TODAY http://t.co/hboALSlTpK reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 12:28:43 Russian invaders fired #Grad missiles vs. Ukr forces in Vesela Hora, Luhansk airport and Krasnohorivka last night. reageer retweet

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maxseddon twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 09:09:16 Ukraine's defense industry remains reliant on Moscow, even with the countries effectively at war. http://t.co/7vuIPl0j8k by @michaelbirnbaum reageer retweet

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Poroshenko in June issued a presidential order to stop the export of defense products to Russia. But it has had little effect on the ground, where factory managers say they have not formally been told to halt their shipments. If they did stop, they say, the regions economy would grind to a halt. The foot-dragging has frustrated some officials in Kiev.

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Ukrainian defense plants do almost a billion dollars of business a year with Russia, said Anton Mikhenko, a defense expert at the Kiev-based Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies. Ukraine is the worlds eighth-largest defense exporter, according to data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. About 70 percent of Ukraines defense exports flow through Russia, analysts say.

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The Kremlin says that it can be self-sufficient within three years, that existing stocks of Ukrainian-made parts can tide over its military in the meantime, and that the project bolsters Russian security even absent the conflict in Ukraine. The break from Ukraine, Russian officials say, is a patriotic step that should have been taken a long time ago.

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 13:15 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
European Countries Stop Russian Arms Sales to Embarrass France

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It will cost Russia almost a billion dollars to work around losing access to Ukrainian suppliers. Still, this isn't a huge amount compared to the entirety of the $700 billion program. And if the Ukrainian embargo is just a bump in the road, then the European embargos won't matter very much at all to Russia.

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maxseddon twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 10:47:30 Russian comms minister @nnikiforov wants 1 million programmers to work 5-7 years on "total information sovereignty." http://t.co/waUEe091eb reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 16:14 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:37:09 #Poroshenko: #Ukraine Armed Forces took control of city Yasynuvata #Donetsk region, which is of strategic importance https://t.co/WVBp0PIq2W reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 14:45:34 Smoke rising on all sides of #Donetsk now as the president reports that #Ukraine forces have taken Yasynuvata. http://t.co/uuuyBxXXfE reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:56:30 At #Yasynuvata front line now. Heavy clashes here. Smoke rising from bridge. Town still very much contested. reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 16:21:52 Ukraine forces inside #Yasynuvata. Have pushed rebels out of town to southern bridge. Rebels say taking tank, artillery, mortar fire all day reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 16:39:02 Rebels driving a convoy of military vehicles including 3 tanks, anti-aircraft gun on transport into #Donetsk. http://t.co/pfSVBxwIx4 reageer retweet

Russian-backed rebels transport tanks into Donetsk

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 17:50 schreef remlof het volgende:
Moskou: nooit wapens naar Oekra�ne gestuurd

Waarschijnlijk kwamen de seperatisten ze dan zelf ophalen aan de andere kant van de grens.

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 10:36:25 Pro-#Russia separatists down another MiG-29 military plane in #Luhansk reg. Pilot catapults, is found by #Ukraine forces, brought to safety reageer retweet

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MaxRTucker twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 12:21:45 16 #Russianconvoy trucks have reached the border, says @ARothNYT - even as @ICRC spox say security guarantees not met and delivery not today reageer retweet

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RoslyakovAP twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 14:16:37 A portable X-ray inspection system has been delivered to the border crossing Donetsk.It will be used during inspectio http://t.co/NHWwYTp3ol reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:37:34 Pavlo Klimkin says Stepan Bandera's grave in Munich wasn't blown up. Vandals broke the cross and started digging out the grave reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:58:23 #Bandera spent 1942-44 in Nazi concentration camp Sachsenhausen for plotting revolution vs Reichskommissariat to create independent #Ukraine reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:58:23 #Bandera spent 1942-44 in Nazi concentration camp Sachsenhausen for plotting revolution vs Reichskommissariat to create independent #Ukraine reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 16:37:19 To those seeing things between my lines I didn't write: it's all in your heads. FYI: I've never voted for Svoboda party and never will reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 16:30 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Khryashchuvate, vlakbij (ten Zuid Oosten van) de stad Lugansk.

Луганск. Ожесточенный бой за город.

2014 08 13 ЭТО за 9 дней блокады Дмитриевки участка дороги возле села � ассыпное...

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The Interpretermag liveblog- day 181

Yesterday there was a revelation which further proves that the Russian military is directly militarily supporting Ukraine's separatists.

In a statement by the new head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Aleksandr Zakharchenko, he admitted that the separatists have received at least 1,200 Troops, 30 Tanks and 120 armored vehicles from Russia.

He called these "heavy reinforcements." In reality, however, the fact that the separatists are receiving direct military support from Russia does not come as a surprise to those who have been following events in eastern Ukraine (the revelation that the separatists are admitting it is perhaps surprising -- more on this later).

The reality is that while for the first many months of this conflict Russia tried to hide their operations in eastern Ukraine, their direct involvement in the conflict has been far more obvious since late June. What is alarming is that these 1,200 Troops, 30 Tanks and 120 armored vehicles have likely all come into Ukraine in only the last month and a half, and they may in fact be an under-count.

What is further alarming is that the arming of the separatists is speeding up, and that this revelation did not speak to the proven fact that the separatists are receiving direct artillery and rocket support from batteries located on the Russian side of the border.

A second, and more confusing, revelation is that it seems Chechen fighters from the Russian Federation could be playing a key role in a recent separatist victory. Yesterday separatists made key gains near the town of Snezhnoye, a town near the MH17 crash site.

This is not a coincidence. The Buk that reportedly shot down MH17 was positioned on one of the most important corridors in all of Ukraine, the one that links the self-proclaimed Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics, and the DPR with Russia. Evidence now suggests that well-equipped Chechen fighters may been involved in the fighting there.

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 21:02:20 Ukrainian journalist Butusov: #Ukraine lost more servicemen (over 100) this week than at any time since the start of the war in the east reageer retweet

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ICRC twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 17:55:17 Since yesterday, with #Ukrainian #RedCross we’ve delivered 100 tonnes of Ukrainian-donated aid to 10 towns in east http://t.co/SJfk20OlYA reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 19:20:11 #Ukraine-donated aid arrived in the East (incl/ Lysychansk, Sievierodonetsk). Goods given to hospitals, welfare centres, @EWatsonICRC |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 19:33:32 #OSCE will check #Russian humanitarian aid convoy possibly on 17-18 Aug, won't start today http://t.co/mdeG9Rb8Fz |EMPR reageer retweet

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ASLuhn twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 21:06:28 1st armed nationalists R Sector threaten Kiev, now Ukraine parliament passes law allowing police to shoot without warning http://t.co/oXx2AcntnA reageer retweet

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ASLuhn twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 21:18:13 Another disturbing aspect of Ukr shoot-to-kill law is how Turchynov's comments show lustration=cynical political tool http://t.co/oXx2AcntnA reageer retweet

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De People's Afgevaardigden een wet aangenomen die de wetshandhavingsinstanties maakt op het gebied van ATO om wapens te gebruiken zonder waarschuwing.

People's afgevaardigden ondersteund als basis en als geheel de rekening nummer 4310a over de wijziging van de wet van Oekra�ne "Op de Politie" op de voorwaarden voor het gebruik van geweld, speciale middelen en vuurwapens op het gebied van de exploitatie van terrorismebestrijding.
Juiste beslissing gesteund 233 parlementari�rs, het vereiste minimum van 226 stemmen.

"Op het gebied van terrorismebestrijding operatie aan de politie moet worden gegeven het recht om zonder enige waarschuwing van fysieke kracht, speciale middelen en vuurwapens," - zei in een toelichting bij het wetsvoorstel.

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leonidragozin twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 00:28:26 "The world is a matrix and we are computer programmes living within it" - DNR deputy defence minister Fedor Berezin. http://t.co/tf0aOBYp3t reageer retweet

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 21:25 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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ASLuhn twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 21:06:28 1st armed nationalists R Sector threaten Kiev, now Ukraine parliament passes law allowing police to shoot without warning http://t.co/oXx2AcntnA reageer retweet

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ASLuhn twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 21:18:13 Another disturbing aspect of Ukr shoot-to-kill law is how Turchynov's comments show lustration=cynical political tool http://t.co/oXx2AcntnA reageer retweet

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 00:18 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Ja, dat gaat daar helemaal de verkeerde kant uit. Net voor de strijd in het Oosten begon was er ook al een presidentskandidaat aangevallen en volgens mij een andere vermoord.

Daarnaast waren er berichten dat sommige soldaten na de strijd in Oost Oekraine ook de corrupte politici willen gaan aanpakken. Laten we hopen dat Oekraine eens verstandig blijft en het niet weer op revolutie uitdraait.

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Overall, the nature of the fighting has not changed over the past several days the Junta is no longer able to advance everywhere and has been forced repeatedly to regroup before undertaking new strikes. Moreover, its defeats in the south have become systematic. Nevertheless, it would be too early to talk about overcoming the crisis before the Juntas offensive to the south of Debaltsevo is repulsed and Novosvetlovka is retaken.

Separately with respect to Voyentorg [Note: an ironic term for the notion of cross-border military aid coming from Russia]. Over the past several days, it has stepped up its work, which results in information seeping through to the mass media and symptomatic leaks from the DPR leadership. Certainly, no one will admit this officially, just as the presence of polite people in Crimea was not admitted until a certain moment. That is why the official line on this issue will remain as before all allegations will be refuted, which is not, in itself, blameworthy.

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The Russian humanitarian aid column remains near the border with Ukraine. No go-ahead has been given yet. Most likely, they waiting for the completion of the battles for Novosvetlovka and the purge of the enemys SRGs that otherwise could attack the convoy on the highway.

Overall, as mentioned earlier, the Junta retains initiative to the north of Donetsk and, for now, its offensive there has not been stopped. The victories in the battles for Ilovaisk, Miusinsk and Krasniy Luch should not be confused for a victory in the battle for Donetsk. The situation remains complex and at the moment our forces hold the front with great difficulty.

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Rusland: akkoord over hulpkonvooi

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Rusland en Oekra�ne hebben alle obstakels uit de weg geruimd voor het Russische konvooi met hulpgoederen voor Oost-Oekra�ne. Dat heeft de Russische minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Lavrov gezegd op een persconferentie in Berlijn.

Wat er precies is afgesproken, zei Lavrov niet. Vermoedelijk zal de lading van de ongeveer 280 Russische vrachtwagens grondig worden onderzocht voordat de trucks de grens over mogen. Dat was een eis van Oekra�ne, dat bang is dat de Russen ook militair materieel het land in willen brengen. Het Rode Kruis, dat de verantwoordelijkheid krijgt over het konvooi, had veiligheidsgaranties ge�ist.

Staakt-het-vuren
Lavrov onderhandelt in Berlijn met vertegenwoordigers van Oekra�ne, Duitsland en Frankrijk over de toestand in Oost-Oekra�ne. Hij bevestigde dat het overleg over een staakt-het-vuren erg moeizaam verloopt.

De Duitse minister Steinmeier zei kort na middernacht na vijf uur onderhandelen al dat er nog geen resultaten zijn geboekt. De partijen gaan in eigen kring overleggen en besluiten morgen of overmorgen of de gesprekken doorgaan.

Drones
Lavrov zei op zijn persconferentie dat Moskou het zou toejuichen als de OVSE met drones de grens tussen Rusland en Oekra�ne gaat bewaken. De Europese waarnemers kunnen volgens hem dan zien dat er geen sprake is van Russische pogingen of voorbereidingen om Oekra�ne binnen te trekken.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 11:47 schreef remlof het volgende:
De vluchtelingen zouden afkomstig zijn uit Novosvitlivka en Chriasjoevate.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 12:12 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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klinkt als een vergissing.

Novosvetlovka en Khryashevatoye liggen ten ZO van Lugansk. Het zijn de plaatsen waar al dagen gevochten wordt in een poging om Lugansk te omsingelen. De belangrijke weg M-04 van Lugansk naar de Russische grens (waar het Russische humanitaire konvooi staat) loopt langs beide plaatsen. Dat konvooi zie ik om veiligheidsredenen voorlopig niet vertrekken.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 13:43 schreef TLC het volgende:
De zelfverklaarde Republiek Donesk heeft de doodstraf ingevoerd

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Belarus receives almost 26,000 Ukrainians - ambassador

KYIV, August 18 /Ukrinform/.

About 26,000 Ukrainian citizens have moved to Belarus over the past two months. Belarusian Ambassador to Ukraine Valentin Velichko said this at a press conference on Monday, a Ukrinform correspondent reported. According to Velichko, the issue of their employment and welfare is currently being resolved. The ambassador also said that Belarus was considering reducing the period of getting refugee status from six to three months.

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mfa_russia twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 13:21:39 #Lavrov: For now, we cannot report any progress on a ceasefire or political dialogue negotiations #Ukraine reageer retweet

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USNATO twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 12:14:44 '..unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine': http://t.co/xZpwbw0oAh http://t.co/dAAWlroSG4 reageer retweet

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A NATO for a Dangerous World
Russian aggression has made it clear.We need an alliance that is fitter, faster and more flexible.

By Anders Fogh Rasmussen And Philip M. Breedlove

We both grew up in the shadow of the Cold War, on opposite sides of the Atlantic, and we both remember the extraordinary day when the Berlin Wall came down. Until that day, NATO had kept the Cold War from getting hot. After that day, war in Europe seemed hard to imagine, as former adversaries became NATO allies and we worked to establish a new partnership with Russia.

Now, an unprecedented period of peace has been challenged by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. For the first time since the end of World War II, a...

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Turchynov For Ukraine's Accession To NATO (13:47, Monday, August 18, 2014)

Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Oleksandr Turchynov favours the idea of Ukraine's accession to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), reads a statement made by the parliamentary press service.

"Ukraine must become a members of he European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization," he said in an interview with the Baltic news agency BNS.

Speaker opines, accession to the NATO is a reliable guarantee of protection of the state against Russia's aggressive policy towards Ukraine.

He underlines, consequent on the Russian Federation's aggression most of Ukrainians now support accession to this organisation, including residents of the east.

As Ukrainian News earlier reported, the NATO is likely to increase quantity of joint military exercises with Ukraine but will not provide military equipment to Ukraine.

Turchynov is sure Ukraine will be able to implement all reforms required to accede to the European Union by 2020.

Turchynov is in Lithuania for meetings with officials from August 17 to 19.

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Ukraine Crisis Reminds Americans Why NATO Should Not Expand: Not To Ukraine, Georgia, Or Anyone Else

The bitter conflict in Ukraine drags on. Russia appears to have decided against trying to conquer its neighbor. However, Moscow continues to destabilize Kiev by supporting Russian separatists. NATO remains divided on how to respond.

Most Europeans have little stomach for confronting Russia. Economic ties with Moscow are profitable, there is no treaty obligation to Ukraine, and no alliance member desires war. So Washington has taken the lead against Moscow even though America has little at stake in Russia’s misbehavior.

In fact, the crisis has generated a spate of U.S. proposals for military action. Some analysts and politicians advocate direct support for Ukraine and other potentially embattled states. Also popular are proposals to expand NATO.

For instance, ever belligerent Sen. John McCain urged adding Ukraine to the “transatlantic” alliance. Former UN ambassador John Bolton suggested putting “both Georgia and Ukraine on a clear path to NATO membership.” Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates similarly called for making NATO association agreements with Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova. Other proposed candidates for the alliance include Armenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Finland, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Sweden.

Efforts to expand NATO are strikingly misguided. Traditional military alliances were created to advance a nation’s security. They were not intended to act as clubs for international business, associations for shared values, or tools for political integration. Military alliances were supposed to prevent and win wars. During the Cold War the U.S. established the alliance to protect the war-ravaged European states from America’s hegemonic adversary, the Soviet Union, and its satellite-allies.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 15:34 schreef Automatisch het volgende:
'Escalatie rond hulpkonvooi zou Russen niet slecht uitkomen'

http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)lecht-uitkomen.dhtml

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Het Rode Kruis eist echter harde veiligheidsgaranties wanneer het de controle over het konvooi overneemt. Die garanties zijn nog geen onderdeel van de afspraken, zegt Hunin: 'Oekra�ne kan overal groen licht voor geven, als het daarbij niet de veiligheid van de mensen van het Rode Kruis garandeert, gebeurt er helemaal niets.'

De situatie geeft Oekra�ne de mogelijkheid de schijn te wekken mee te willen werken, maar ondertussen op een impasse aan te sturen: 'Oekra�ne heeft totaal geen behoefte aan Russisch machtsvertoon binnen de eigen landsgrenzen. Dus waarom zou het dan de benodigde veiligheidsgaranties geven? Oekra�ne wil juist naar de eigen bevolking uitstralen dat het de humanitaire hulp van de Russen niet nodig heeft.'

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Op zondag 17 augustus 2014 19:12 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:37:34 Pavlo Klimkin says Stepan Bandera's grave in Munich wasn't blown up. Vandals broke the cross and started digging out the grave reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op zondag 17-08-2014 om 15:58:23 #Bandera spent 1942-44 in Nazi concentration camp Sachsenhausen for plotting revolution vs Reichskommissariat to create independent #Ukraine reageer retweet

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At that juncture, with the war going very badly against Germany, Bandera was released in the hope that he would fight the advancing Soviet forces. He established his headquarters in Berlin and received German financial, materiel, and personnel support for his Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

After the war, in 1959, in Munich, Germany, Bandera was assassinated by the Soviet KGB (secret police).[1][2]

Assessments of his work have ranged from totally apologetic to sharply negative.[3] On 22 January 2010, the outgoing President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine.[4] The award was condemned by European Parliament, Russian, Polish and Jewish organizations[5][6][7][8] and was declared illegal by the following Ukrainian government and a court decision in April 2010. In January 2011, the award was officially annulled.[9]

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ChechenCenter twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 18:07:17 Русские террористы сравнили Путина с Богом и сыном Бога. На этот раз связываться с Богом нужно только через Путина. http://t.co/FSjzZYn7dN reageer retweet

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 18:54 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:
Netjes aansluiten in de rij en wachten op je beurt...

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ChechenCenter twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 18:07:17 Русские террористы сравнили Путина с Богом и сыном Бога. На этот раз связываться с Богом нужно только через Путина. http://t.co/FSjzZYn7dN reageer retweet

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Ukraine conflict causes its July industrial output to plummet

July's output fell 12.1 percent from July a year ago, accelerating from a 5 percent drop in June, the state statistics service said on Monday.

Production fell 28.5 percent in Donetsk and 56 percent in Luhansk in July from last July, the state statistics service said.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 18:54 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:
Netjes aansluiten in de rij en wachten op je beurt...

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ChechenCenter twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 18:07:17 Русские террористы сравнили Путина с Богом и сыном Бога. На этот раз связываться с Богом нужно только через Путина. http://t.co/FSjzZYn7dN reageer retweet

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West has more influence than Kiev on oligarchs’ armies in Ukraine – Lavrov

Moscow believes the West has more influence on various paramilitary forces in Ukraine - sponsored by local oligarchs - than Kiev does, Russian FM said citing the latest bickering between Right Sector and the Interior Ministry.

“The authorities in Kiev are not in control of the numerous paramilitary forces, including Right Sector, which, we estimate, comprises a large portion of the National Guard. The demarche of Right Sector towards the Ukrainian Interior Minister speaks for itself,” Sergey Lavrov said, adding that existence of armed groups sponsored by Ukrainian oligarchs, such as the Azov and Dnepr battalions, poses a great security threat.

“We work with our Western partners in Europe and the United States who can really influence those paramilitary units that don’t answer to the central government in Kiev. We know the West has such influence,” he added.

Lavrov was referring to the weekend ultimatum of the far-right group, which threatened to pull out its troops from eastern Ukraine and march on Kiev unless President Petro Poroshenko fires several police officials, including a deputy interior minister. The group later reduced its demands, saying that the release of its activists previously arrested by the police was sufficient.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:21 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://rt.com/news/180972(...).U_Ilvie1ORw.twitter

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:14 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
The New York Times
Rebels Killed Dozens in Attack of Refugees, Ukraine Says

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“The Donetsk People’s Republic and Luhansk People’s Republic did not shoot at refugees with Grad supposedly provided by Russia,” he said.

All Grad rocket launchers in Luhansk, he said, were captured as “trophy” weapons from the Ukrainian Army, not provided by Russia. About the refugee convoy, he added, “we would not form a column ourselves and then shoot at it ourselves.”

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Dozens of people, including women and children, were killed on Monday when a convoy carrying refugees was hit by rocket fire near the eastern city of Luhansk, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.

Government forces and pro-Russian rebels accused each other of the attack on the vehicles, which were evacuating civilians from the towns of Khryaschuvate and Novosvitlivka.

"The rebels were expecting the convoy and destroyed it entirely. We haven't been able to count the number of victims ... dozens (were killed)," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a briefing to journalists.

Another military spokesman, Anatoly Proshin, said that evacuees were being transported by military vehicles flying white flags, which were hit by mortars and Grad rockets.

"As a result, there were a huge number of casualties. People were burned alive in the vehicles that were taking them out," Proshin told the Ukrainian Pravda newspaper.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:31 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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In het kader van:

Als Het Westen stelt dat Rusland invloed heeft op de Pro-Russische strijders in Oost-Oekraine, dan stelt Rusland dat Het Westen invloed heeft op de pro-Oekrainse paramilitaire strijders.

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"I want to stress that ... Article 5 of the NATO contract - the duty to provide mutual support - is not something which just exists on paper, but is also something which must be filled with life," said Merkel on a visit to the Latvian capital, Riga.

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Merkel told a joint news conference with Latvian Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma that Germany would start "air policing" flights in Latvia from Aug. 20.

"But we must also now supplement this with further exercises and maneuvers, so that we can react swiftly and without hesitation," she said. "Everything must be done so that we have the infrastructure in the Baltic states to react quickly."

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:40 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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yep, en extra aandacht vestigen op het dreigement van Right Sektor...

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:45 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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... die desnoods even zouden oprukken naar Kiev.

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The Right Sector demanded that President Petro Poroshenko cleaned out the Interior Ministry staff members they considered disloyal and closed all criminal cases launched against the movement’s members, threatening to otherwise withdraw from the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine and start moving toward the Ukrainian capital.

In turn, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov responded to the ultimatum of the Right Sector, accusing Yarosh of lying to his own people. Avakov doubted that the Right Sector militants were present anywhere near the front line and claimed nobody had actually seen them "other than on photo and video."

On August 17, Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh reversed his statement, saying the demands were met in part and that the militants will continue to fight against the independence supporters in the east of Ukraine and will not march on Kiev.

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Russian Military Vehicles Seen On Move Just Inside Ukraine
16:07 (GMT)

A YouTube video, purportedly shot today in the town of Sukhodolsk, just across the border and a little to the north-west of the Izvarino crossing, shows a large column of military vehicles on the move:

Суходольск 12 50 по ул Шоссейная проехала колонна КАМАЗов груженные людьми и рус скорые на Луганск

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The vehicles seen include Kamaz trucks (some towing artillery,) military ambulances and, at the end, a BMD-2 infantry fighting vehicle.

The vehicles appear to lack number plates
In fact, they closely resemble ones photographed yesterday in Russia by Polish journalist Wojciech Bojanowski:

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President discussed tactics of further actions in the ATO with heads of security forces

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko held a meeting with heads of security forces and discussed the tactics of further actions in the ATO.

"Today, we must consider a new content of military operation under new conditions," the Head of State emphasized.

Petro Poroshenko noted that the information on the entry of 1200 trained militants and armored vehicles to the territory of Ukraine "from the eastern neighbor" had been confirmed. Part of these vehicles has been destroyed. Now, measures are being taken to destroy the rest of them.

"Today, we must regroup our forces. It will ensure the protection of our territory and the continuation of offensive actions of our army," the President said.

The Head of State informed that the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard successfully continued, though the price of it was extremely high. "Each day we lose Ukrainian heroes," he said. Yesterday, as a result of direct hit by a grenade, an armored personnel carrier with paratroopers was destroyed. Husband of well-known volunteer Tetyana Rychkova is among the deceased. The Head of State instructed the Minister of Defense to prepare a submission for granting decorations to heroes who protect the Donbas at the cost of their lives.

The President emphasizes that currently there is a task to cut off the system of providing terrorists with mercenaries, new arms and ammunition, because its provision continues through the uncontrolled areas of the border. According to the President, the tactics now is "to cut the territories controlled by terrorists into zones, narrow the encirclement and deprive them of the opportunity to receive weapons and ammunition".

The Head of State stressed that dozens of cities and villages had been liberated from terrorists. "The main thing is that millions of people are free and return to normal life," he said.

Petro Poroshenko noted that the main cities controlled by militants had been already besieged. Unfortunately, they are about to face environmental disaster. The level of water in the mines of the Donbas became dangerous. Terrorists destroy transformer substations by artillery fire undermining the energy supply of complete production cycle enterprises. "Industrial potential of the Donbas is virtually being destroyed," the President said informing that currently, Ukrainian repairmen often restore the power system under the gun.

"Terrorists are temporary residents of these places, so they have no ties with them. The worse is the better for them. They destroy infrastructure, substations, bridges, enterprises. It is the guilt of militants and their foreign patrons," the President emphasized.

The Head of State offered to discuss tactics on reducing the damage and avoiding the risk for people and the elimination of industrial potential of the Donbas "to minimize work on restoration of normal life".

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:44 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Merkel wil de Baltische staten beter gaan verdedigen/voorbereiden tegen een mogelijke Russische aanval:
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSKBN0GI1JI20140818

Opvallend, zulke harde taal heb ik haar nog niet eerder horen uitspreken:

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 11:47 schreef remlof het volgende:
'Raket op bussen met vluchtelingen uit Loehansk'

Een colonne vluchtelingen uit de regio Loehansk is volgens de Oekra�ense regering beschoten door rebellen. Ze zouden dat hebben gedaan met Grad-raketten en mortiergranaten. Dat heeft het Oekra�ense persbureau Interfax vandaag gemeld.

Volgens een legerwoordvoerder zijn er waarschijnlijk veel slachtoffers gevallen. Een aantal kon hij niet geven. Mensen zouden zijn verbrand in hun auto's. De vluchtelingen zouden afkomstig zijn uit Novosvitlivka en Chriasjoevate.

De rebellen hebben nog niet gereageerd.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 20:40 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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De rebellen ontkennen, werd in het journaal gezegd. Er zijn ook geen aanwijzingen dat dit is gebeurd. Wel zijn er aanwijzingen dat de regering van Oekraine constant zit te liegen.

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 12:04:17 Archpriest Georgiy [Kovalenko], spox of #Moscow patriarchate of Orthdox Church: #Crimea is #Ukraine's territory and it must be returned reageer retweet

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 19:37 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.theguardian.co(...)y-rockets?CMP=twt_gu
Ik snap het niet helemaal, hadden de rebellen dan militaire voertuigen geleverd voor het konvooi?

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 20:59 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op maandag 18-08-2014 om 12:04:17 Archpriest Georgiy [Kovalenko], spox of #Moscow patriarchate of Orthdox Church: #Crimea is #Ukraine's territory and it must be returned reageer retweet

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Currently, three major Ukrainian Orthodox Churches coexist, and often compete, in the country: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church. Additionally, a significant body of Christians belong to the Eastern Rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and a smaller number are in the Ruthenian Catholic Church.

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 21:23 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Er is verdacht weinig info over dit incident.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:09 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Ik denk dat Oekraine erg bezig is met het provoceren van Rusland. N��t de hulpgoederen doorlaten en w�l vluchtelingen vermoorden die op weg zijn naar Rusland.
Ik hoop dat Poetin zich niet laat provoceren, maar het zal moeilijk zijn. Oekraine haalt alles uit de kast om het conflict te verergeren, dan wel tussen Rusland en Oekraine, dan wel tussen het Westen en Rusland. Er moet haast meer achter zitten.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:09 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Kiev: zeker 15 dode vluchtelingen na aanval
KIEV -

Vijftien lichamen zijn tot nu toe gevonden op de plek in het oosten van Oekra�ne waar maandag vluchtende burgers met raketten en mortieren werden bestookt. Dat zei een Oekra�ense legerwoordvoerder dinsdag. Er wordt verder gezocht naar slachtoffers.

Volgens de regering in Kiev hebben pro-Russische rebellen het vluchtelingenkonvooi beschoten. De rebellen leggen op hun beurt de schuld van de aanval bij het regeringsleger. Het konvooi werd aangevallen op een weg in de buurt van Loehansk, vlakbij de grens met Rusland.

In het gebied is de afgelopen dagen hevig gevochten tussen het regeringsleger en pro-Russische separatisten. Veel van de doden, onder wie ook vrouwen en kinderen, zijn onherkenbaar verbrand. Sommige lichamen zijn door de kracht van de ontploffing uit elkaar geblazen.

De Amerikaanse regering heeft de aanval op het konvooi veroordeeld, maar kan nog niet zeggen wie er verantwoordelijk is.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)lingen_gedood__.html

Ik denk dat Oekraine erg bezig is met het provoceren van Rusland. N��t de hulpgoederen doorlaten en w�l vluchtelingen vermoorden die op weg zijn naar Rusland.
Ik hoop dat Poetin zich niet laat provoceren, maar het zal moeilijk zijn. Oekraine haalt alles uit de kast om het conflict te verergeren, dan wel tussen Rusland en Oekraine, dan wel tussen het Westen en Rusland. Er moet haast meer achter zitten.

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:05:19 Yasynuvata (near #Donetsk): #ATO mop-up operation is in progress, Tymchuk https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/KyUeQPULKe reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:06:33 #ATO forces block Ilovaysk, combat with militants inside the city goes on, Tymchuk https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/phVwF33dXB reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:13:15 Battalions #Donbas, Dnipro, #Azov liberated 2/3 Ilovaysk. Losses in Dnipro, Azov battalions, injured in Donbas https://t.co/r0vomjMkgy |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 11:26:35 #Donbas battalion commander Semen Semenchenko was injured in combat for #Ilovaysk, 24 TV Channel |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 12:01:29 #Donbas commander Semenchenko got shrapnel wounds, is being transported to #Dnipropetrovsk, Filatov https://t.co/s9g23978JN |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:09:15 #ATO units are on defensive near Novosvitlivka, Khryshuvate (#Luhansk region) https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/lcAXR2uO10 reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:41:32 #ATO forces set up strong-points near Blahodatne to prevent inflow of arms, mercenaries from #Russia, Tymchuk |EMPR http://t.co/iRKKNdlM9u reageer retweet

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parfitt_tom twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 11:27:51 Fifteen bodies retrieved from shelled refugee column, search continues says Ukr military. Still no video, pics, independent confirmation. reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 13:43:05 Terrorists impede access of journalists, medics, military experts to site where civilian convoy were shelled https://t.co/R7WBgresWk |EMPR reageer retweet

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BBCDanielS twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 13:12:54 The Ukraine Min of Defence has posted a video of what it says is survivors of the "refugee convoy attack" yesterday https://t.co/Zxd6ih9fAI reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:38 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Lijkt alvast logischer dat het regeringsleger gepantserde voertuigen van de rebellen afkomstig uit Lugansk zou aanvallen dan dat de rebellen het zelf zouden doen. Dat de rebellen vluchtelingen evacueren in legervoertuigen in de verwachting dat het Oekrainse leger een fout zou maken is ook niet ondenkbaar.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:49 schreef DG1983 het volgende:

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Waren vluchtelingen in militaire voertuigen? Voor zo ver ik weet was het een kolonne van gewone auto's.

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Dozens of people, including women and children, were killed on Monday when a convoy carrying refugees was hit by rocket fire near the eastern city of Luhansk, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.

Government forces and pro-Russian rebels accused each other of the attack on the vehicles, which were evacuating civilians from the towns of Khryaschuvate and Novosvitlivka.

"The rebels were expecting the convoy and destroyed it entirely. We haven't been able to count the number of victims ... dozens (were killed)," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a briefing to journalists.

Another military spokesman, Anatoly Proshin, said that evacuees were being transported by military vehicles flying white flags, which were hit by mortars and Grad rockets.

"As a result, there were a huge number of casualties. People were burned alive in the vehicles that were taking them out," Proshin told the Ukrainian Pravda newspaper.

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“The Donetsk People’s Republic and Luhansk People’s Republic did not shoot at refugees with Grad supposedly provided by Russia,” he said.

All Grad rocket launchers in Luhansk, he said, were captured as “trophy” weapons from the Ukrainian Army, not provided by Russia. About the refugee convoy, he added, “we would not form a column ourselves and then shoot at it ourselves.”

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:54 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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De acties van Oekraine worden langzamerhand zo doorzichtig dat niemand zich meer laat provoceren gelukkig.
Oekraine schiet ook niet erg op met het terugveroveren van steden. Ze willen namelijk dat het Westen helpt, met als gevolg groot conflict Westen versus Rusland.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:58 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Ik vind dat het Westen hier extreem terughoudend op reageert eigenlijk.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:58 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Maar Rusland stuurt al actief materieel en mensen het land in.
Ik vind dat het Westen hier extreem terughoudend op reageert eigenlijk.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:02 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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Kan wel zijn maar het lukt Oekraine wel om de steden helemaal kapot te schieten, en vervolgens niet om de steden in te nemen. Dat is wel vreemd.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:02 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Kan wel zijn maar het lukt Oekraine wel om de steden helemaal kapot te schieten

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:10 schreef DG1983 het volgende:
Loekie1 deze taktiek was al in Georgie gebruikt door de Russen. Er was een kleine dorpje, weet niet meer hoe het heet. Er kwam stuk of 150 tanken an de Georgische leger. Twee dagen stonden ze in die dorp, en Russen konden de dorp niet nemen. Uiteindelijk hebben ze alles gebombardeerd. Aan het eind van de aanval, waren die 150 tanken opgeblazen, met de hele dorp eromheen. Wat stond op de Russische TV? Dat de Georgiers zich zelf hadden gebombardeerd. Ja hoor.

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Real Battle Under Way in Ilovaisk. Russian Mercenaries Shell the City with All Kinds of Weapons and Do Not Care About Civilians

Large enemy forces are trying to recapture the city and knock out our units. This is stated by Censor.NET editor-in-chief Yurii Butusov on his Facebook page.

"The real battle is taking place in Ilovaisk and its surroundings at this moment. The fighting, which began last night is still going on, the terrorists are pulling new forces for the attack. Large enemy forces are trying to recapture the city and clear out our troops, which have gone deep into the city. There is heavy artillery and mortar shelling - Russian mercenaries are showering the city with all kinds of weapons including Grads - they do not care about the civilians.

Ilovaisk is of key significance for the liberation of Donetsk - a direct access to the communication of the Donetsk group, a direct threat of the overall encirclement of Donetsk, access to Zuhres and Khartsyzsk and from the south, a threat to Shakhtarsk mercenaries.

Units of the 17th Dnipropetrovsk Tank Brigade, artillery groups of the 93rd Dnipropetrovsk and 51th Volyn brigades together with Dnipro, Donbas and Kryvbas battalions retain control over most of Ilovaisk and surroundings, and continue to advance in spite of the powerful counterattacks of the enemy. A unit of the Azov battalion also participates in the fighting. The most serious attacks by the enemy are conducted against the 40th Battalion of the Territorial Defence Kryvbas. I want to note the sector B command (Gen. Ruslan Khomchak) - it is probably the first time a reliable tactical cooperation between the Army, the National Guard units and the Interior Ministry has been organized and a unified communication system created. The soldiers and the battalion commanders and acting heroically - they are directly in combat formations, controlling the fight. Yes, they have learned. And this is just the beginning. We are praying for our guys - the situation is very serious.

I am leaving for the ATO today," Butusov wrote.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:17 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Saahkasvilli was wel een ontzettende oetlul, vooral toen hij zelf de Russen ging bombarderen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:24 schreef DG1983 het volgende:

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Wat mij betreft zijn ze (ex-USSR-ers politiekers) allemaal shit... Hoef je mij niet te vertellen. Ik had het over iets anders nu.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:26 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Feit is wel dat als Georgie in dat conflict een andere houding had aangenomen de VS en NAVO veel 'strenger' hadden kunnen optreden tegen een toen nog zwakker Rusland om later erger, zoals 'Oekraine' te voorkomen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:54 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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De acties van Oekraine worden langzamerhand zo doorzichtig dat niemand zich meer laat provoceren gelukkig.
Oekraine schiet ook niet erg op met het terugveroveren van steden. Ze willen namelijk dat het Westen helpt, met als gevolg groot conflict Westen versus Rusland.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:10 schreef DG1983 het volgende:
Loekie1 deze taktiek was al in Georgie gebruikt door de Russen. Er was een kleine dorpje, weet niet meer hoe het heet. Er kwam stuk of 150 tanken an de Georgische leger. Twee dagen stonden ze in die dorp, en Russen konden de dorp niet nemen. Uiteindelijk hebben ze alles gebombardeerd. Aan het eind van de aanval, waren die 150 tanken opgeblazen, met de hele dorp eromheen. Wat stond op de Russische TV? Dat de Georgiers zich zelf hadden gebombardeerd. Ja hoor.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:17 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Saahkasvilli was wel een ontzettende oetlul, vooral toen hij zelf de Russen ging bombarderen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 16:40 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Dan denk je: misschien kunnen we nog voor de winter terug. Nee hoor, het blijkt toch zeer lastig te zijn om het gebied in handen te krijgen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 16:54 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Hij dacht namelijk ook dat het Westen hem zou redden....en nu word hij ook aangeklaagd voor corruptie en verduistering van miljoenen....oh ja, zijn "vriendje" de USA heeft Georgie gewaarschuwd dat dit wel eens gevolgen voor Georgie kan hebben als ze hier mee doorgaan, de gluiperds...

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Ukraine guarantees security for Russian aid convoy only on territory controlled by Ukrainian army – Foreign Ministry

Ukraine is ready to provide security for the Russian humanitarian aid convoy heading to eastern Ukraine, but only on territory controlled by the Ukrainian army, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry reported.

"As we already mentioned, militants themselves and Russia, who control them, brings all responsibility for the security of this cargo over the territory controlled by the terrorists. Ukraine, in turn, has many times confirmed its readiness to provide security guarantees and provided them on the territory that is under control of the Ukrainian ATO forces," Ukrainian Foreign Ministry's spokesman Yevhen Perebyinis said in Kyiv at a briefing on Tuesday.

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Ukraine says 17 bodies recovered from shelled refugee convoy

(Reuters) - Seventeen bodies have so far been recovered from the wreckage of a Ukrainian refugee convoy which was hit by shelling on Monday, a military spokesman said on Tuesday.

Six others were being treated in hospital for injuries, of whom three were in a serious condition, the spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said.
For this reason the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) must reach agreements with Russia and the militants regarding security issues on terrorist-controlled territory, he said.

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Advancing Ukraine troops take fight to heart of pro-Moscow rebellion

(Reuters) - A gun battle broke out in the center of the rebel-held Ukrainian city of Donetsk and residents ran for cover from artillery fire on Tuesday, taking a government military offensive into the heart of the retreating pro-Moscow separatist rebellion.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart will meet next week for the first time in months to try to end their confrontation over the separatist rebellion in eastern Ukraine, their offices said.

In a prelude to the talks between Putin and Ukraine's Petro Poroshenko, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is to visit the Ukrainian capital Kiev on Saturday, her office said, to show support for the Ukrainian government.

A diplomatic solution would have to resolve a contradiction: with his troops advancing and victory possibly within reach, Poroshenko has little incentive to offer the kind of compromises that would allow Putin to achieve a face-saving deal.

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Economic disaster looms as the country’s coal industry takes a serious hit

Ukraine's next crisis will be a devastatingly economic one, as violent conflict destroys critical infrastructure in the east and brings key industry to a halt, furthering weakening the energy sector by crippling coal-based electricity production.

The Ukrainian military's showdown with separatists in the industrial east has forced coal mines to severely cut production or close down entirely. This has led to an electricity crisis that can only be staunched by cutting domestic production along with exports to Europe, Crimea and Belarus — or worse, getting more imports from Russia.

In the coal centers of Ukraine's industrial east — Luhansk and Donetsk — fighting has forced the full closure of an estimated 50 percent of coal mines, while overall coal production has fallen 22 percent over the same period last year.

Key industry sources say they will potentially run out of coal in less than three weeks.

For Ukraine, the second-largest producer of coal in Europe, this will have a devastating impact on the energy sector, which is in a state of emergency, unable to get coal to thermal power plants that provide some 40 percent of the entire country's electricity.

In the wider energy picture, the halt of coal production sets Ukraine back a decade. The plan was to rely more on coal in order to reduce dependence on Russian natural gas.

But the new reality has insiders wondering how Ukraine will produce more of its own natural gas, after the implementation earlier this month of an amended tax code that targets private gas producers with a tax so high that they will significantly reduce production through the end of the year and beyond that is anyone's guess. (Full disclosure: my firm, Pelicourt LLC, is the majority shareholder of Ukraine's third-largest gas producer, Cub Energy, and I have advised the U.S. and Canadian governments on the potential harm the new tax will cause.)

http://www.praguepost.com(...)crisis#ixzz3ArNb6sbW

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Ukraine says ready for short-term compromise on Russian gas price

KIEV Aug 19 (Reuters) - Ukraine's energy minister on Tuesday said the country was prepared to pay an interim compromise price for Russian gas and criticised Russia's Gazprom for being unwilling to negotiate.

Last year, Russia supplied about half of the gas Ukraine used, but Gazprom cut supplies on June 16 in a row over pricing and after Moscow's annexation of Crimea.

Ukraine, which is sourcing more gas from the European Union and cutting consumption from last year's 50 billion cubic metres (bcm), is prepared to compromise on the price until a lawsuit it has filed against Gazprom is resolved, minister Yuri Prodan said.

"We are ready to talk about some kind of reasonable compromise price until the situation is resolved (by the court)...but Gazprom is not taking part in the negotiation process," Prodan told reporters. "There is no compromise yet from Gazprom's side."

In June, Ukrainian state gas company Naftogaz filed a lawsuit at the Stockholm arbitration court to establish a "fair and market price" for natural gas supplies from Gazprom.

The case is still in its preliminary stages and it is not known when a final ruling will be reached.

Prodan said around 16 billion cubic metres (bcm) of reverse flows from Poland, Hungary and Slovakia would cover over 50 percent of Ukraine's gas import needs this year.

However Ukraine needs to find another 5 bcm in imports for October-March, he said. "We're getting ready for a difficult winter."

Gazprom declined to comment. In April the company voiced doubts over the legality of reversed gas flows from the West to substitute for Russian supplies.

In June, the head of Ukraine's state gas company said Kiev was ready to pay a compromise price of $326 per 1,000 cubic metres of Russian natural gas for an interim 18-month period to allow time to end the pricing dispute with Moscow.

On Tuesday, Prodan did not say what compromise price Ukraine is now willing to consider from Gazprom.

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Ukraine risks losing IMF support over stalled anti-corruption laws

Ukraine’s chances to receive a new tranche of the International Monetary Fund is under risk due to slow progress in implementing anti-corruption measures, experts warn.

One of the key stumbling stones at the moment is a law that would allow to create an independent corruption investigation body. Two competing drafts of it are scheduled to be discussed at the Aug. 20 Cabinet meeting.

The IMF board is due to take a decision on whether to disperse the next $1.4 billion to Ukraine on Aug. 29. This would be the second tranche of a $17 billion, two-year stand-by package that was approved by the Fund in April. The country’s finance minister Oleksandr Shlapak said this money would be used to boost the ailing national currency, which has entered its second stage of sharp devaluation in just over half a year.

One of the preconditions for receiving new cash, however, is the creation of an “independent anti-corruption agency with broad investigative powers” and “adoption of legislation to support anti-corruption effort,” according to the July 18 statement by Nikolay Gueorguiev, IMF mission chief for Ukraine. There has been little progress on these issues, however.

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Ukraine to lose 15 percent of grain crop in violence-hit regions

MOSCOW/KIEV — Ukraine will lose 15 percent of its grain crop in two violence-hit regions in the country’s east, according to a spokesman for Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk.

The former Soviet republic, expected to be the world’s second-largest grain exporter in the 2014 to ’15 marketing year, has suffered major disruption since a pro-Russian uprising erupted in its eastern regions several months ago.

Earlier on Tuesday, Russia’s Interfax news agency quoted Yatseniuk as saying Ukraine would lose 15 percent of its grain harvest as a result of the fighting and Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula earlier this year.

“This refers to 15 percent of the harvest in the regions where fighting is taking place,” the spokesman for Yatseniuk says.

Ukraine’s Agriculture Ministry expects the 2014 grain harvest to exceed last year’s record crop of 63 million metric tons. Analysts and traders have said Ukraine is likely to harvest around 60 million metric tons.

Last year, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions harvested 2.2 million metric tons and 1.3 million metric tons of grains, respectively, according to official statistics.

About 15 percent of their crop, based on last year’s data, would be 500,000 metric tons, according to Reuters calculations, similar to an estimate of losses made in July by Ukrainian Agriculture Minister Ihor Shvaika.

So far this year, Donetsk and Luhansk have harvested 2 million metric tons and 0.9 million metric tons, according to the Agriculture Ministry.

“A certain percentage of fields in these regions continue to be dangerous for harvesting,” the ministry says.

Ukrainian farms harvested 34.7 million metric tons of grain in the whole country as of Aug. 15, including 24.1 million metric tons of wheat and 9.3 million metric tons of barley, the Agriculture Ministry says.
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Kiev verbiedt Russische zenders

_{Toegevoegd: dinsdag 19 aug 2014, 19:43}

De Oekra�ense regering heeft veertien Russische televisiestations verboden omdat ze oorlogspropaganda zouden uitzenden. Het betreft onder meer de bekende zenders Russia Today en Life News, die bekendstaan als pro-Kremlin.

Ze mogen niet meer uitzenden via het Oekra�ense kabelnetwerk, zegt het ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken in Kiev. Het gaat om een tijdelijke maatregel.

Het ministerie verwijst mensen die willen klagen over pro-Russische berichtgeving naar een speciale Facebookpagina, met de titel Stop Russian Propaganda. Daar kunnen mensen ook een melding doen als een van de verboden zenders toch nog ergens op de kabel te zien is.

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FPWatcher twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 16:32:01 #Ukraine Map 8/19: Huge improvements, roads added! Fighting in #Ilovaisk, #Luhansk, let me know what you think! http://t.co/mPpPGeZ33L reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 18:22:14 #NSC News & Analysis Center Briefing at 17:00 August 19,2014 highlightshttp://t.co/ahSxzNtZod | EMPR News #Ukraine http://t.co/l0tfNUoIiz reageer retweet

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 23:49 schreef Igen het volgende:

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De meneer van de Oekra�ense ijshockeybond formuleert het ook met nogal een understatement:

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Ze mogen blij zijn als het conflict gauw voorbij is en niet heel Donetsk inclusief ijshockeystadion aan flarden wordt geschoten.

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WAR AND COUNTERATTACK OF RUSSIAN TROOPS IN THE DONBAS

"1. What happened? Russian troops launched a massive counter-attack in the Donbas. It is a military invasion of Russia. Yes, it's a fact. This is something that has already happened. The military situation in the Donbas has seriously changed. Since the offensive of the Ukrainian troops dissected the remains of the DNR and LPR and fighting commenced in Donetsk and Luhansk, the agony of the terrorists was a matter of several weeks. And Putin chose an open war. So on August 10, Russia began redeployment of armored and artillery units of "volunteers." New units - up to 250 armored vehicles, and 100 cannons and mortars. And MLRS. Most important factors are the use by the Russian forces SAM "Strela-10", "Osa" and "Book" air defense system, which makes it impossible to use the Ukrainian aviation in the border areas. And the massive use of the Russian artillery against the Ukrainian troops in the border areas within a 40 kilometer radius causing major losses. We all understand that no "militia" could not prepare hundreds of crews of armored vehicles, artillery crews, air defense systems crews, to organize intelligence, control, communications, repair and supply - this is Russian military. Given the Russian troops shelling Ukrainian troops from the territory of the Russian Federation, a large concentration of the means of radio and artillery reconnaissance, air defense forces, security, communications, procurement, it would not be an exaggeration to estimate the Russian group, which is fighting against Ukraine to be at least 20 thousand soldiers. At that no less than three thousand Russian troops are constantly operating in the Ukrainian territory. Bezler's group stated that it received heavy artillery from the Russian Federation - MLRS "Uragan" and 240-mm self-propelled mortar "Tulpan".

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 22:54:57 Conflicting reports whether or not a 1,5km long Rus army convoy has entered #Luhansk oblast today. Ukr. media partly suspecting propaganda. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:20:21 #BREAKINGNEWS Several sources #confirm breakthrough of 150 Russian army vehicle convoy, incl. 40 MBT into the greater #Luhansk city area. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:23:03 among the confirming sources are D.Tymchuk,an "The Informant" activist there and the Ukr army commander in the Luhansk region I.Voronchenko. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:42:14 Seems Ukr. analysts despair about their own govt's misinformation about the "steady progress" in #Donbas ... http://t.co/vW1aWCN1hY reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:09 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Testament by Borys Humenyuk, OUN Battalion

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Catherina_News twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:41:09 Video of #Ukraine shelling #Donetsk with heavy tactical weapon SS-21 Scarab B (Tochka-U) Aug19 2014http://t.co/w8OuTAvoG0via @tratotulja reageer retweet

Новороссия Кивскиевская хунта нанесла удар по Донецку тактическим оружием Точка У 19 августа 2014

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:50 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Weet niet wat ik hier van moet denken....

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:00:31 #BreakingNews #Donetsk city was hit by the most massive explosion ever this evening.https://t.co/TkvbIGZmo0 http://t.co/zaxyNp0CRk reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:04:01 Probably the city's oil depot exploded.Another video: https://t.co/sez103ZZUBLocated here: http://t.co/T7ar1VHLyi reageer retweet

Донецк взрыв на Куйбышевской нефтебазе 19 08 2014

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:56 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:00:31 #BreakingNews #Donetsk city was hit by the most massive explosion ever this evening.https://t.co/TkvbIGZmo0 http://t.co/zaxyNp0CRk reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:04:01 Probably the city's oil depot exploded.Another video: https://t.co/sez103ZZUBLocated here: http://t.co/T7ar1VHLyi reageer retweet

Donetsk olie depot explosie in de Kuibyshev 19 augustus 2014

Донецк взрыв на Куйбышевской нефтебазе 19 08 2014

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:03 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Gaat me vooral om het eerste deel van de video die ik postte. Weet niet of het truckage is of wat...