Crisis in Oekra�ne #118 And so it begins

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:09 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Ik denk dat Oekraine erg bezig is met het provoceren van Rusland. N��t de hulpgoederen doorlaten en w�l vluchtelingen vermoorden die op weg zijn naar Rusland.
Ik hoop dat Poetin zich niet laat provoceren, maar het zal moeilijk zijn. Oekraine haalt alles uit de kast om het conflict te verergeren, dan wel tussen Rusland en Oekraine, dan wel tussen het Westen en Rusland. Er moet haast meer achter zitten.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:09 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Kiev: zeker 15 dode vluchtelingen na aanval
KIEV -

Vijftien lichamen zijn tot nu toe gevonden op de plek in het oosten van Oekra�ne waar maandag vluchtende burgers met raketten en mortieren werden bestookt. Dat zei een Oekra�ense legerwoordvoerder dinsdag. Er wordt verder gezocht naar slachtoffers.

Volgens de regering in Kiev hebben pro-Russische rebellen het vluchtelingenkonvooi beschoten. De rebellen leggen op hun beurt de schuld van de aanval bij het regeringsleger. Het konvooi werd aangevallen op een weg in de buurt van Loehansk, vlakbij de grens met Rusland.

In het gebied is de afgelopen dagen hevig gevochten tussen het regeringsleger en pro-Russische separatisten. Veel van de doden, onder wie ook vrouwen en kinderen, zijn onherkenbaar verbrand. Sommige lichamen zijn door de kracht van de ontploffing uit elkaar geblazen.

De Amerikaanse regering heeft de aanval op het konvooi veroordeeld, maar kan nog niet zeggen wie er verantwoordelijk is.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)lingen_gedood__.html

Ik denk dat Oekraine erg bezig is met het provoceren van Rusland. N��t de hulpgoederen doorlaten en w�l vluchtelingen vermoorden die op weg zijn naar Rusland.
Ik hoop dat Poetin zich niet laat provoceren, maar het zal moeilijk zijn. Oekraine haalt alles uit de kast om het conflict te verergeren, dan wel tussen Rusland en Oekraine, dan wel tussen het Westen en Rusland. Er moet haast meer achter zitten.

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:05:19 Yasynuvata (near #Donetsk): #ATO mop-up operation is in progress, Tymchuk https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/KyUeQPULKe reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:06:33 #ATO forces block Ilovaysk, combat with militants inside the city goes on, Tymchuk https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/phVwF33dXB reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:13:15 Battalions #Donbas, Dnipro, #Azov liberated 2/3 Ilovaysk. Losses in Dnipro, Azov battalions, injured in Donbas https://t.co/r0vomjMkgy |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 11:26:35 #Donbas battalion commander Semen Semenchenko was injured in combat for #Ilovaysk, 24 TV Channel |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 12:01:29 #Donbas commander Semenchenko got shrapnel wounds, is being transported to #Dnipropetrovsk, Filatov https://t.co/s9g23978JN |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:09:15 #ATO units are on defensive near Novosvitlivka, Khryshuvate (#Luhansk region) https://t.co/VKWQ0BnOeV |EMPR http://t.co/lcAXR2uO10 reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 08:41:32 #ATO forces set up strong-points near Blahodatne to prevent inflow of arms, mercenaries from #Russia, Tymchuk |EMPR http://t.co/iRKKNdlM9u reageer retweet

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parfitt_tom twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 11:27:51 Fifteen bodies retrieved from shelled refugee column, search continues says Ukr military. Still no video, pics, independent confirmation. reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 13:43:05 Terrorists impede access of journalists, medics, military experts to site where civilian convoy were shelled https://t.co/R7WBgresWk |EMPR reageer retweet

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BBCDanielS twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 13:12:54 The Ukraine Min of Defence has posted a video of what it says is survivors of the "refugee convoy attack" yesterday https://t.co/Zxd6ih9fAI reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 11:38 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Lijkt alvast logischer dat het regeringsleger gepantserde voertuigen van de rebellen afkomstig uit Lugansk zou aanvallen dan dat de rebellen het zelf zouden doen. Dat de rebellen vluchtelingen evacueren in legervoertuigen in de verwachting dat het Oekrainse leger een fout zou maken is ook niet ondenkbaar.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:49 schreef DG1983 het volgende:

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Waren vluchtelingen in militaire voertuigen? Voor zo ver ik weet was het een kolonne van gewone auto's.

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Dozens of people, including women and children, were killed on Monday when a convoy carrying refugees was hit by rocket fire near the eastern city of Luhansk, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.

Government forces and pro-Russian rebels accused each other of the attack on the vehicles, which were evacuating civilians from the towns of Khryaschuvate and Novosvitlivka.

"The rebels were expecting the convoy and destroyed it entirely. We haven't been able to count the number of victims ... dozens (were killed)," spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a briefing to journalists.

Another military spokesman, Anatoly Proshin, said that evacuees were being transported by military vehicles flying white flags, which were hit by mortars and Grad rockets.

"As a result, there were a huge number of casualties. People were burned alive in the vehicles that were taking them out," Proshin told the Ukrainian Pravda newspaper.

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“The Donetsk People’s Republic and Luhansk People’s Republic did not shoot at refugees with Grad supposedly provided by Russia,” he said.

All Grad rocket launchers in Luhansk, he said, were captured as “trophy” weapons from the Ukrainian Army, not provided by Russia. About the refugee convoy, he added, “we would not form a column ourselves and then shoot at it ourselves.”

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:52 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)nvoy-talks.html?_r=0
http://www.theguardian.co(...)y-rockets?CMP=twt_gu

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:54 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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De acties van Oekraine worden langzamerhand zo doorzichtig dat niemand zich meer laat provoceren gelukkig.
Oekraine schiet ook niet erg op met het terugveroveren van steden. Ze willen namelijk dat het Westen helpt, met als gevolg groot conflict Westen versus Rusland.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:58 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Ik vind dat het Westen hier extreem terughoudend op reageert eigenlijk.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:58 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Maar Rusland stuurt al actief materieel en mensen het land in.
Ik vind dat het Westen hier extreem terughoudend op reageert eigenlijk.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:02 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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Kan wel zijn maar het lukt Oekraine wel om de steden helemaal kapot te schieten, en vervolgens niet om de steden in te nemen. Dat is wel vreemd.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:02 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Kan wel zijn maar het lukt Oekraine wel om de steden helemaal kapot te schieten

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 14:41:33 #BreakingFootage Also #Makiivka is under heavy #Grad attack. Dead people lying on the streets.https://t.co/RUTxkF9BPI#UkraineUnderAttack reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:10 schreef DG1983 het volgende:
Loekie1 deze taktiek was al in Georgie gebruikt door de Russen. Er was een kleine dorpje, weet niet meer hoe het heet. Er kwam stuk of 150 tanken an de Georgische leger. Twee dagen stonden ze in die dorp, en Russen konden de dorp niet nemen. Uiteindelijk hebben ze alles gebombardeerd. Aan het eind van de aanval, waren die 150 tanken opgeblazen, met de hele dorp eromheen. Wat stond op de Russische TV? Dat de Georgiers zich zelf hadden gebombardeerd. Ja hoor.

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Real Battle Under Way in Ilovaisk. Russian Mercenaries Shell the City with All Kinds of Weapons and Do Not Care About Civilians

Large enemy forces are trying to recapture the city and knock out our units. This is stated by Censor.NET editor-in-chief Yurii Butusov on his Facebook page.

"The real battle is taking place in Ilovaisk and its surroundings at this moment. The fighting, which began last night is still going on, the terrorists are pulling new forces for the attack. Large enemy forces are trying to recapture the city and clear out our troops, which have gone deep into the city. There is heavy artillery and mortar shelling - Russian mercenaries are showering the city with all kinds of weapons including Grads - they do not care about the civilians.

Ilovaisk is of key significance for the liberation of Donetsk - a direct access to the communication of the Donetsk group, a direct threat of the overall encirclement of Donetsk, access to Zuhres and Khartsyzsk and from the south, a threat to Shakhtarsk mercenaries.

Units of the 17th Dnipropetrovsk Tank Brigade, artillery groups of the 93rd Dnipropetrovsk and 51th Volyn brigades together with Dnipro, Donbas and Kryvbas battalions retain control over most of Ilovaisk and surroundings, and continue to advance in spite of the powerful counterattacks of the enemy. A unit of the Azov battalion also participates in the fighting. The most serious attacks by the enemy are conducted against the 40th Battalion of the Territorial Defence Kryvbas. I want to note the sector B command (Gen. Ruslan Khomchak) - it is probably the first time a reliable tactical cooperation between the Army, the National Guard units and the Interior Ministry has been organized and a unified communication system created. The soldiers and the battalion commanders and acting heroically - they are directly in combat formations, controlling the fight. Yes, they have learned. And this is just the beginning. We are praying for our guys - the situation is very serious.

I am leaving for the ATO today," Butusov wrote.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:17 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Saahkasvilli was wel een ontzettende oetlul, vooral toen hij zelf de Russen ging bombarderen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:24 schreef DG1983 het volgende:

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Wat mij betreft zijn ze (ex-USSR-ers politiekers) allemaal shit... Hoef je mij niet te vertellen. Ik had het over iets anders nu.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:26 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Feit is wel dat als Georgie in dat conflict een andere houding had aangenomen de VS en NAVO veel 'strenger' hadden kunnen optreden tegen een toen nog zwakker Rusland om later erger, zoals 'Oekraine' te voorkomen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 14:54 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

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De acties van Oekraine worden langzamerhand zo doorzichtig dat niemand zich meer laat provoceren gelukkig.
Oekraine schiet ook niet erg op met het terugveroveren van steden. Ze willen namelijk dat het Westen helpt, met als gevolg groot conflict Westen versus Rusland.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:10 schreef DG1983 het volgende:
Loekie1 deze taktiek was al in Georgie gebruikt door de Russen. Er was een kleine dorpje, weet niet meer hoe het heet. Er kwam stuk of 150 tanken an de Georgische leger. Twee dagen stonden ze in die dorp, en Russen konden de dorp niet nemen. Uiteindelijk hebben ze alles gebombardeerd. Aan het eind van de aanval, waren die 150 tanken opgeblazen, met de hele dorp eromheen. Wat stond op de Russische TV? Dat de Georgiers zich zelf hadden gebombardeerd. Ja hoor.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 15:17 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Saahkasvilli was wel een ontzettende oetlul, vooral toen hij zelf de Russen ging bombarderen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 16:40 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
Dan denk je: misschien kunnen we nog voor de winter terug. Nee hoor, het blijkt toch zeer lastig te zijn om het gebied in handen te krijgen.

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 16:54 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Hij dacht namelijk ook dat het Westen hem zou redden....en nu word hij ook aangeklaagd voor corruptie en verduistering van miljoenen....oh ja, zijn "vriendje" de USA heeft Georgie gewaarschuwd dat dit wel eens gevolgen voor Georgie kan hebben als ze hier mee doorgaan, de gluiperds...

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Ukraine guarantees security for Russian aid convoy only on territory controlled by Ukrainian army – Foreign Ministry

Ukraine is ready to provide security for the Russian humanitarian aid convoy heading to eastern Ukraine, but only on territory controlled by the Ukrainian army, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry reported.

"As we already mentioned, militants themselves and Russia, who control them, brings all responsibility for the security of this cargo over the territory controlled by the terrorists. Ukraine, in turn, has many times confirmed its readiness to provide security guarantees and provided them on the territory that is under control of the Ukrainian ATO forces," Ukrainian Foreign Ministry's spokesman Yevhen Perebyinis said in Kyiv at a briefing on Tuesday.

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Ukraine says 17 bodies recovered from shelled refugee convoy

(Reuters) - Seventeen bodies have so far been recovered from the wreckage of a Ukrainian refugee convoy which was hit by shelling on Monday, a military spokesman said on Tuesday.

Six others were being treated in hospital for injuries, of whom three were in a serious condition, the spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, said.
For this reason the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) must reach agreements with Russia and the militants regarding security issues on terrorist-controlled territory, he said.

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Advancing Ukraine troops take fight to heart of pro-Moscow rebellion

(Reuters) - A gun battle broke out in the center of the rebel-held Ukrainian city of Donetsk and residents ran for cover from artillery fire on Tuesday, taking a government military offensive into the heart of the retreating pro-Moscow separatist rebellion.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart will meet next week for the first time in months to try to end their confrontation over the separatist rebellion in eastern Ukraine, their offices said.

In a prelude to the talks between Putin and Ukraine's Petro Poroshenko, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is to visit the Ukrainian capital Kiev on Saturday, her office said, to show support for the Ukrainian government.

A diplomatic solution would have to resolve a contradiction: with his troops advancing and victory possibly within reach, Poroshenko has little incentive to offer the kind of compromises that would allow Putin to achieve a face-saving deal.

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Economic disaster looms as the country’s coal industry takes a serious hit

Ukraine's next crisis will be a devastatingly economic one, as violent conflict destroys critical infrastructure in the east and brings key industry to a halt, furthering weakening the energy sector by crippling coal-based electricity production.

The Ukrainian military's showdown with separatists in the industrial east has forced coal mines to severely cut production or close down entirely. This has led to an electricity crisis that can only be staunched by cutting domestic production along with exports to Europe, Crimea and Belarus — or worse, getting more imports from Russia.

In the coal centers of Ukraine's industrial east — Luhansk and Donetsk — fighting has forced the full closure of an estimated 50 percent of coal mines, while overall coal production has fallen 22 percent over the same period last year.

Key industry sources say they will potentially run out of coal in less than three weeks.

For Ukraine, the second-largest producer of coal in Europe, this will have a devastating impact on the energy sector, which is in a state of emergency, unable to get coal to thermal power plants that provide some 40 percent of the entire country's electricity.

In the wider energy picture, the halt of coal production sets Ukraine back a decade. The plan was to rely more on coal in order to reduce dependence on Russian natural gas.

But the new reality has insiders wondering how Ukraine will produce more of its own natural gas, after the implementation earlier this month of an amended tax code that targets private gas producers with a tax so high that they will significantly reduce production through the end of the year and beyond that is anyone's guess. (Full disclosure: my firm, Pelicourt LLC, is the majority shareholder of Ukraine's third-largest gas producer, Cub Energy, and I have advised the U.S. and Canadian governments on the potential harm the new tax will cause.)

http://www.praguepost.com(...)crisis#ixzz3ArNb6sbW

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Ukraine says ready for short-term compromise on Russian gas price

KIEV Aug 19 (Reuters) - Ukraine's energy minister on Tuesday said the country was prepared to pay an interim compromise price for Russian gas and criticised Russia's Gazprom for being unwilling to negotiate.

Last year, Russia supplied about half of the gas Ukraine used, but Gazprom cut supplies on June 16 in a row over pricing and after Moscow's annexation of Crimea.

Ukraine, which is sourcing more gas from the European Union and cutting consumption from last year's 50 billion cubic metres (bcm), is prepared to compromise on the price until a lawsuit it has filed against Gazprom is resolved, minister Yuri Prodan said.

"We are ready to talk about some kind of reasonable compromise price until the situation is resolved (by the court)...but Gazprom is not taking part in the negotiation process," Prodan told reporters. "There is no compromise yet from Gazprom's side."

In June, Ukrainian state gas company Naftogaz filed a lawsuit at the Stockholm arbitration court to establish a "fair and market price" for natural gas supplies from Gazprom.

The case is still in its preliminary stages and it is not known when a final ruling will be reached.

Prodan said around 16 billion cubic metres (bcm) of reverse flows from Poland, Hungary and Slovakia would cover over 50 percent of Ukraine's gas import needs this year.

However Ukraine needs to find another 5 bcm in imports for October-March, he said. "We're getting ready for a difficult winter."

Gazprom declined to comment. In April the company voiced doubts over the legality of reversed gas flows from the West to substitute for Russian supplies.

In June, the head of Ukraine's state gas company said Kiev was ready to pay a compromise price of $326 per 1,000 cubic metres of Russian natural gas for an interim 18-month period to allow time to end the pricing dispute with Moscow.

On Tuesday, Prodan did not say what compromise price Ukraine is now willing to consider from Gazprom.

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Ukraine risks losing IMF support over stalled anti-corruption laws

Ukraine’s chances to receive a new tranche of the International Monetary Fund is under risk due to slow progress in implementing anti-corruption measures, experts warn.

One of the key stumbling stones at the moment is a law that would allow to create an independent corruption investigation body. Two competing drafts of it are scheduled to be discussed at the Aug. 20 Cabinet meeting.

The IMF board is due to take a decision on whether to disperse the next $1.4 billion to Ukraine on Aug. 29. This would be the second tranche of a $17 billion, two-year stand-by package that was approved by the Fund in April. The country’s finance minister Oleksandr Shlapak said this money would be used to boost the ailing national currency, which has entered its second stage of sharp devaluation in just over half a year.

One of the preconditions for receiving new cash, however, is the creation of an “independent anti-corruption agency with broad investigative powers” and “adoption of legislation to support anti-corruption effort,” according to the July 18 statement by Nikolay Gueorguiev, IMF mission chief for Ukraine. There has been little progress on these issues, however.

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Ukraine to lose 15 percent of grain crop in violence-hit regions

MOSCOW/KIEV — Ukraine will lose 15 percent of its grain crop in two violence-hit regions in the country’s east, according to a spokesman for Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk.

The former Soviet republic, expected to be the world’s second-largest grain exporter in the 2014 to ’15 marketing year, has suffered major disruption since a pro-Russian uprising erupted in its eastern regions several months ago.

Earlier on Tuesday, Russia’s Interfax news agency quoted Yatseniuk as saying Ukraine would lose 15 percent of its grain harvest as a result of the fighting and Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula earlier this year.

“This refers to 15 percent of the harvest in the regions where fighting is taking place,” the spokesman for Yatseniuk says.

Ukraine’s Agriculture Ministry expects the 2014 grain harvest to exceed last year’s record crop of 63 million metric tons. Analysts and traders have said Ukraine is likely to harvest around 60 million metric tons.

Last year, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions harvested 2.2 million metric tons and 1.3 million metric tons of grains, respectively, according to official statistics.

About 15 percent of their crop, based on last year’s data, would be 500,000 metric tons, according to Reuters calculations, similar to an estimate of losses made in July by Ukrainian Agriculture Minister Ihor Shvaika.

So far this year, Donetsk and Luhansk have harvested 2 million metric tons and 0.9 million metric tons, according to the Agriculture Ministry.

“A certain percentage of fields in these regions continue to be dangerous for harvesting,” the ministry says.

Ukrainian farms harvested 34.7 million metric tons of grain in the whole country as of Aug. 15, including 24.1 million metric tons of wheat and 9.3 million metric tons of barley, the Agriculture Ministry says.
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Kiev verbiedt Russische zenders

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De Oekra�ense regering heeft veertien Russische televisiestations verboden omdat ze oorlogspropaganda zouden uitzenden. Het betreft onder meer de bekende zenders Russia Today en Life News, die bekendstaan als pro-Kremlin.

Ze mogen niet meer uitzenden via het Oekra�ense kabelnetwerk, zegt het ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken in Kiev. Het gaat om een tijdelijke maatregel.

Het ministerie verwijst mensen die willen klagen over pro-Russische berichtgeving naar een speciale Facebookpagina, met de titel Stop Russian Propaganda. Daar kunnen mensen ook een melding doen als een van de verboden zenders toch nog ergens op de kabel te zien is.

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FPWatcher twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 16:32:01 #Ukraine Map 8/19: Huge improvements, roads added! Fighting in #Ilovaisk, #Luhansk, let me know what you think! http://t.co/mPpPGeZ33L reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 18:22:14 #NSC News & Analysis Center Briefing at 17:00 August 19,2014 highlightshttp://t.co/ahSxzNtZod | EMPR News #Ukraine http://t.co/l0tfNUoIiz reageer retweet

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2014 23:49 schreef Igen het volgende:

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De meneer van de Oekra�ense ijshockeybond formuleert het ook met nogal een understatement:

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Ze mogen blij zijn als het conflict gauw voorbij is en niet heel Donetsk inclusief ijshockeystadion aan flarden wordt geschoten.

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WAR AND COUNTERATTACK OF RUSSIAN TROOPS IN THE DONBAS

"1. What happened? Russian troops launched a massive counter-attack in the Donbas. It is a military invasion of Russia. Yes, it's a fact. This is something that has already happened. The military situation in the Donbas has seriously changed. Since the offensive of the Ukrainian troops dissected the remains of the DNR and LPR and fighting commenced in Donetsk and Luhansk, the agony of the terrorists was a matter of several weeks. And Putin chose an open war. So on August 10, Russia began redeployment of armored and artillery units of "volunteers." New units - up to 250 armored vehicles, and 100 cannons and mortars. And MLRS. Most important factors are the use by the Russian forces SAM "Strela-10", "Osa" and "Book" air defense system, which makes it impossible to use the Ukrainian aviation in the border areas. And the massive use of the Russian artillery against the Ukrainian troops in the border areas within a 40 kilometer radius causing major losses. We all understand that no "militia" could not prepare hundreds of crews of armored vehicles, artillery crews, air defense systems crews, to organize intelligence, control, communications, repair and supply - this is Russian military. Given the Russian troops shelling Ukrainian troops from the territory of the Russian Federation, a large concentration of the means of radio and artillery reconnaissance, air defense forces, security, communications, procurement, it would not be an exaggeration to estimate the Russian group, which is fighting against Ukraine to be at least 20 thousand soldiers. At that no less than three thousand Russian troops are constantly operating in the Ukrainian territory. Bezler's group stated that it received heavy artillery from the Russian Federation - MLRS "Uragan" and 240-mm self-propelled mortar "Tulpan".

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 22:54:57 Conflicting reports whether or not a 1,5km long Rus army convoy has entered #Luhansk oblast today. Ukr. media partly suspecting propaganda. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:20:21 #BREAKINGNEWS Several sources #confirm breakthrough of 150 Russian army vehicle convoy, incl. 40 MBT into the greater #Luhansk city area. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:23:03 among the confirming sources are D.Tymchuk,an "The Informant" activist there and the Ukr army commander in the Luhansk region I.Voronchenko. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:42:14 Seems Ukr. analysts despair about their own govt's misinformation about the "steady progress" in #Donbas ... http://t.co/vW1aWCN1hY reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:09 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Testament by Borys Humenyuk, OUN Battalion

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Catherina_News twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:41:09 Video of #Ukraine shelling #Donetsk with heavy tactical weapon SS-21 Scarab B (Tochka-U) Aug19 2014http://t.co/w8OuTAvoG0via @tratotulja reageer retweet

Новороссия Кивскиевская хунта нанесла удар по Донецку тактическим оружием Точка У 19 августа 2014

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:50 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Weet niet wat ik hier van moet denken....

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:00:31 #BreakingNews #Donetsk city was hit by the most massive explosion ever this evening.https://t.co/TkvbIGZmo0 http://t.co/zaxyNp0CRk reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:04:01 Probably the city's oil depot exploded.Another video: https://t.co/sez103ZZUBLocated here: http://t.co/T7ar1VHLyi reageer retweet

Донецк взрыв на Куйбышевской нефтебазе 19 08 2014

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Op dinsdag 19 augustus 2014 23:56 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:00:31 #BreakingNews #Donetsk city was hit by the most massive explosion ever this evening.https://t.co/TkvbIGZmo0 http://t.co/zaxyNp0CRk reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op dinsdag 19-08-2014 om 23:04:01 Probably the city's oil depot exploded.Another video: https://t.co/sez103ZZUBLocated here: http://t.co/T7ar1VHLyi reageer retweet

Donetsk olie depot explosie in de Kuibyshev 19 augustus 2014

Донецк взрыв на Куйбышевской нефтебазе 19 08 2014

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:03 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Gaat me vooral om het eerste deel van de video die ik postte. Weet niet of het truckage is of wat...

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:14 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Dat zou kunnen.

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A_J_S_B twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 00:30:49 VIDEO:#Ukraine BALLISTIC MISSILE hits #Donetsk but NAF AA defenses actually INTERCEPT it partially !?Check at 00:16http://t.co/WwFbeIZ1XK reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:03 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Gaat me vooral om het eerste deel van de video die ik postte. Weet niet of het truckage is of wat...

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:52 schreef xepera9 het volgende:

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Volgens mij leggen ze hier uit dat het fake is.

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Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 00:52 schreef xepera9 het volgende:

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Volgens mij leggen ze hier uit dat het fake is.

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Weet niet wat ik hier van moet denken....

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Volgens mij leggen ze hier uit dat het fake is.