Crisis in Oekraïne #117 And so it begins

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"1. The European Union is increasingly concerned at the worsening crisis in eastern Ukraine
and its humanitarian impact on the civilian population. It recalls its unwavering support to
the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity and independence of Ukraine. Any unilateral
military actions on the part of the Russian Federation in Ukraine under any pretext,
including humanitarian, will be considered by the European Union as a blatant violation of
international law. In order to achieve rapid and tangible results in de-escalation and to
improve the situation of the civilian population, the European Union urges the Russian
Federation to put an immediate stop to any form of border hostilities, in particular to the
flow of arms, military advisers, and armed personnel into the conflict region, and to
withdraw its forces from the border.
2. The need to find a political, sustainable solution to this crisis has become a matter of
urgency. The Council calls on the Russian Federation, Ukraine, the United States and the
OSCE to join the European Union in this task. To this end, the European Union will
actively support any meeting format conducive to creating a new political impetus. In this
context, the Council underlines the importance of the implementation of President
Poroshenko's peace plan.
3. The Council welcomes the upcoming consultations between the Presidents of the Russian
Federation, Ukraine and the European Commission on issues related to the
implementation of the Association Agreement’s Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade
Area as well as on the supply of gas, parallel to the efforts in stabilising the security and
political situation.
4. The Council encourages the continuation of inclusive and comprehensive reforms in
Ukraine notably through the implementation of the Association Agreement and addressing
in particular decentralisation, reform of the constitution, and the protection of the rights of
persons belonging to national minorities. This will build on a genuine national dialogue
involving the central authorities and democratically legitimised representatives of
Ukraine's regions. The Council considers that such a process can be instrumental in
delivering a lasting political solution to the conflict.
5. The Council calls on all parties involved to expand the OSCE Observer Mission, which
has provided valuable and objective reporting on the state of affairs at the Gukovo and
Donetsk border crossing points, in order to contribute to an effective, comprehensive and
bilateral control of the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Council calls for regular and
expeditious exchange of information between the Russian Federation, Ukraine and the
OSCE.
6. The Council welcomes the United Nations-led Preliminary Response Plan for Ukraine
covering immediate and recovery phases, and in this context welcomes the European
Commission's decision to allocate an additional EUR 2.5 million to meet the most urgent
needs. The EU and its Member States are ready to provide further contributions in line
with identified needs. The EU calls on all contributors, including the Russian Federation,
to support this international relief effort led by the United Nations, in full recognition of the
Ukrainian Government's role as a first responder.
7. The Council calls on all parties to support and facilitate without delay the work of
international humanitarian organisations, in accordance with international humanitarian
law and principles. Assistance should be delivered through the appropriate channels in
agreement with the Ukrainian authorities. The delivery of humanitarian aid can only be
carried out with due respect for the humanitarian principles of humanity, neutrality,
impartiality and independence. To this end, the Council reiterates its call on all parties to
agree on a ceasefire, in particular in response to the humanitarian urgency. The Council
also calls for full and unimpeded access for humanitarian actors, as well as for allowing
the free and safe movement of the population out of the conflict zone, and is ready to
explore options.
8. The EU calls upon all States and actors in the region to ensure immediate, safe and
unrestricted access to the crash site of MH17, to allow resumption of the investigation and
the repatriation of the remains and belongings of the victims still present at the site. The
EU reiterates that those directly and indirectly responsible for downing of MH17 should be
held accountable and brought to justice as soon as possible.
9. The recent establishment of EU Advisory Mission for Civilian Security Sector Reform
(EUAM Ukraine) further demonstrates the commitment of the EU to assist the Ukrainian
Government in its security reform efforts. The Council welcomes the early arrival of the
Head of Mission and his Advance Team of experts.
10. The European Union notes that the grounds for the imposition of restrictive measures
against the Russian Federation remain valid. The Council recalls that the restrictive
measures taken by the EU are directly linked to the Russian Federation's violation of
international law with the illegal annexation of Crimea and the destabilisation of Ukraine.
The Council, together with the Commission and the HR/VP, remains engaged in the
monitoring and assessment of these measures and remains ready to consider further
steps, in light of the evolution of the situation on the ground.
11. The European Union regrets the Russian Federation's announcement of measures
targeting imports of certain agricultural products originating in the EU. The Council
welcomes the exchange of information organised by the Commission to assess the impact
of these measures and the appropriate response and looks forward to continuing work in
this respect. To this end an extraordinary meeting of the Agriculture and Fisheries Council
has been convened for early September. In order to ensure the unity of the international
community and to uphold international law, the European Union expects third and
candidate countries to refrain from measures which are aimed at exploiting new trading
opportunities arising from the introduction of these measures.

12. The Council welcomes the on-going progress on the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement
and looks forward to the upcoming trilateral ministerial meeting in Brussels on 12
September. The Council is of the view that recent trade measures taken by the Russian
Federation against Ukraine in this context are without justification and risk undermining
this process. The Council considers that similar measures taken against other Eastern
Partnership countries which have recently ratified the Association Agreements with the EU
are equally unjustified and welcomes the Commission’s on-going efforts in support of
these partners, as needed.
13. The Council supports the Commission's efforts to facilitate a resumption of the
negotiations between Ukraine and Russia on the conditions of gas supply, and urges both
sides to reach an agreement as soon as possible. The agreement is critical in
safeguarding the security of gas supply to Ukraine as well as the unhindered transit of
natural gas through Ukraine. These two objectives should be pursued by the Russian
Federation and Ukraine and no actions should be taken by any side that could negatively
impact on achieving them. The Council looks forward to the upcoming trilateral EU-
Russia-Ukraine consultations on energy at ministerial level in September and expresses
the hope that full use of these consultations can be made in order to deliver concrete
progress.
The security of energy supplies, including through improved interconnections, is of utmost
importance for the EU. The Council reiterates that the Ukrainian gas transit system is in
urgent need of modernisation in order to secure safe energy supplies through the territory
of Ukraine. The Council calls on the Ukrainian authorities to closely coordinate with the
Commission any actions which could put at risk smooth energy supplies to the EU."

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 23:14 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Novorossiyan twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:05:20 VIDEO. 18+ #Ukraine - Lviv Airmobile Brigade is no more: http://t.co/ylhW7djfB8 They were sent to die, and their corpses were just left. reageer retweet

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BungeeWedgie twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:03:14 On a captured #Ukraine army base #NAF have found a missing truck humanitarion aid to people of #Donbass https://t.co/ilatpz2hAq reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 23:47 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Niet dat dit geen ATO lijken zijn, maar er is geen Lviv Airmobile Brigade.

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Russia Tries To Explain Why The Aid Trucks Are Empty
"The KAMAZes were not loaded fully so that there wouldn't be excessive wear on automobiles that were not yet broken in, many of which were of 2014 make. It would mean that in case of a breakdown of the mechanics and a stop on the highway, reloading the cargo by hand to other vehicles completely filled to capacity, would be quite difficult. Moreover, a fully-loaded truck does not go fast enough uphill, so in view of the large number of vehicles, this would have had a heavy impact on the speed of the convoy's movement. And the cargo must be delivered quickly in light of the difficult humanitarian situation in the east of Ukraine."

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Dispatches: Fleeing Luhansk
August 15, 2014

As the crisis in eastern Ukraine deepens, the world’s attention is currently focused on the Ukrainian and Russian governments’ race to deliver aid to civilians in the besieged city of Luhansk. But that shouldn’t eclipse the crucial need for all parties to avoid harming civilians with explosive weapons attacks and by locating military targets within or near civilian populations.

The humanitarian situation in Luhansk is indeed very difficult. In Shchastya, a town just north of Luhansk under Ukrainian government control, we spoke to more than a dozen people who fled Luhansk in the past few days. They said that it’s difficult to find drinking water, there is no electricity or gas, and they feel cut off from the rest of the world as cell phones no longer work. Food in the shops, which operate only a few hours a day, from morning to noon, is scarce, and the prices for basic necessities have gone up.

Many who have the means have already fled but others, especially the frail and the elderly, are left in an increasingly desperate situation. One man told us about his 80-year-old paralyzed neighbor who is alone and abandoned in her apartment. A friend stops by every once in a while to bring her water. Delivering impartial humanitarian aid to the people trapped in the devastated city would make a big difference.

Practically all the new arrivals to Shchastya we interviewed today said the main reason they fled was the constant shelling. Some said they’d practically lived in basements for the last few days.

Lilya, who lived close to the city center, told us that she decided to leave when a shell struck the roof of the neighboring house and then another explosion killed three women in the neighboring street. The next day she heard that four more civilians were killed by shelling in her neighborhood.

A family that arrived in Shchastya this morning told us shrapnel from unguided rockets, Grads, wounded their 81-year-old grandmother two weeks ago. When the old woman was released from the hospital a few days ago she still could not walk – and carrying her down to the basement every time the shelling began proved to be an insurmountable task.

In some cases there are strong indications that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the attacks. On August 13, several shells landed in a residential area in the eastern part of Luhansk, killing several civilians. Zoya, who left immediately after the attacks, said she believed that the shells came from government-controlled territory and might have been aimed at insurgents based nearby. In other cases, evidence points toward the insurgents. On August 1, several rockets struck a village about 10 kilometers north of Luhansk. Irina lost her left foot as a result of shrapnel injuries. Her sister said that damage to a neighboring house was consistent with the rockets coming from the south, where insurgent forces were located.

Zhanna from Krasny Yar, another village close to Luhansk, told us that a rocket exploded in her yard when she and her husband were both outside. She lost a chunk of her foot, and had a broken leg and a concussion. Her husband is paralyzed from the waist down. Their house is approximately a kilometer from a checkpoint manned by Ukrainian forces, which might have been the target of insurgent forces.

But in many cases, people just don’t know who fired the shells. Valentina, who fled Luhansk this morning to protect her family, said: “It’s simply become unbearable. The separatists fire Grad rockets and mortars on Ukrainian forces from the city. Then the Ukrainian forces return fire. And in the middle of this we’re the ones who suffer. If a house gets hit or someone dies we don’t really know which shell did the damage. We just want this to stop.”

As a matter of policy, explosive weapons shouldn’t be used in populated areas because of the risk to civilians. The one thing that would dramatically improve the humanitarian situation in and around Luhansk is if both Ukrainian and Russia-backed insurgent forces uphold their obligations and take greater precautions to avoid civilian casualties.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 00:00 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:

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http://www.interpretermag(...)enters-ukraine/#3828

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 21:45 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Voor de 100e keer: Rusland wil Oekraïne niet

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 21:04 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Het zijn mensen die zich inzetten voor een ideaal, ik kan best begrijpen dat er vele daar niks voelen voor de EU.

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SiberianExpr twitterde op zaterdag 16-08-2014 om 00:34:46 Multiple reports including from locals that #Ukraine forces entered #Lugansk Слава Героям! reageer retweet

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JodocusQuak twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 15:24:29 @MiddleEast_BRK UKR forces near Krasny Luch are trapped since yesterday, when NAF retook Marinovka and created a new cauldron. reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 14:40:26 Prez @poroshenko met 25 #Ukrainian servicemen liberated from captivity in #Donetsk region http://t.co/6UhgwmWe2m |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:44:17 "Parade on the blood"- protest against the military parade in #Kyiv center on 24Aug https://t.co/4ElUhw4TAa |EMPR http://t.co/VnTyuGwvfl reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:02:11 Hard battle between #Ukrainian forces & russian militants is happening now in #Krasnodon,near the border with #Russia http://t.co/ayDDv4BiMb reageer retweet

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shaunwalker7 twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:02:16 UKR activists claim 20-vehicle convoy crossed border near Severny, where we saw it happen last night. Unverified. http://t.co/uJ3GOgOXWc reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 21:51:05 #BreakingNews A 2nd Russian (invaders or army) column invaded northern #Luhansk oblast today,trying to cut off Ukr troops in #Novosvetlovka. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 21:55:57 News is from NSDC. Says 20 vehicles, mostly #Grad launchers, intruded into the most northern area under Russian control in #Luhansk oblast. reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:34:44 20units of heavy equipment entered #Luhansk reg/ from Russia, moving to Novosvetlovka controlled by #ATO forces http://t.co/yo6NA0mLCZ |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:38:25 Terrorists came under fire of own Grad MRLs near Novosvitlivka (#Luhansk region), 23killed http://t.co/GEzv5b6GYp |EMPR reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:09 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Klopt wat moeten we nou met dat klote land.

De hoeren zijn goedkoop maar voor de rest?

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:13 schreef chroestjov het volgende:

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Gewoon opdelen, Oekraïne als natiestaat in de huidige vorm heeft geen legitimiteit meer.
Met Joegoslavië kon het ook dus ik zie niet in waarom het met Oekraïne niet zou kunnen.

Terechte blauwdruk voor de herindeling van Oekraïne:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 00:50 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Vandaag

Wederom een invasie van het topic 'Crisis in Oekraine'. De rust is nu hersteld.

En verder.

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JodocusQuak twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 15:24:29 @MiddleEast_BRK UKR forces near Krasny Luch are trapped since yesterday, when NAF retook Marinovka and created a new cauldron. reageer retweet

Een gevangenen ruil

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 14:40:26 Prez @poroshenko met 25 #Ukrainian servicemen liberated from captivity in #Donetsk region http://t.co/6UhgwmWe2m |EMPR reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:44:17 "Parade on the blood"- protest against the military parade in #Kyiv center on 24Aug https://t.co/4ElUhw4TAa |EMPR http://t.co/VnTyuGwvfl reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:02:11 Hard battle between #Ukrainian forces & russian militants is happening now in #Krasnodon,near the border with #Russia http://t.co/ayDDv4BiMb reageer retweet

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shaunwalker7 twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:02:16 UKR activists claim 20-vehicle convoy crossed border near Severny, where we saw it happen last night. Unverified. http://t.co/uJ3GOgOXWc reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 21:51:05 #BreakingNews A 2nd Russian (invaders or army) column invaded northern #Luhansk oblast today,trying to cut off Ukr troops in #Novosvetlovka. reageer retweet

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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 21:55:57 News is from NSDC. Says 20 vehicles, mostly #Grad launchers, intruded into the most northern area under Russian control in #Luhansk oblast. reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:34:44 20units of heavy equipment entered #Luhansk reg/ from Russia, moving to Novosvetlovka controlled by #ATO forces http://t.co/yo6NA0mLCZ |EMPR reageer retweet

???

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:38:25 Terrorists came under fire of own Grad MRLs near Novosvitlivka (#Luhansk region), 23killed http://t.co/GEzv5b6GYp |EMPR reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:32 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Nice, een hoop dat ik niet had gezien.. Enkel dat laatste van die GRADs was ik tegengekomen.

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HarrietSalem twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 18:19:31 10 days missing. #Ukraine must clarify status of #Russia-n journalist Andrei Stenin. Two wrongs don't make a right. https://t.co/bQBOCV0CDA reageer retweet

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NatVasilyevaAP twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 19:07:19 Russian wires say head of presidential administrations of Russia, Ukraine have met in Sochi. reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:36 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Deze herhaling zul je wel niet erg vinden.

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HarrietSalem twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 18:19:31 10 days missing. #Ukraine must clarify status of #Russia-n journalist Andrei Stenin. Two wrongs don't make a right. https://t.co/bQBOCV0CDA reageer retweet

En dit kan ook belangrijk zijn. Een nieuw diplomatiek offensief?

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NatVasilyevaAP twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 19:07:19 Russian wires say head of presidential administrations of Russia, Ukraine have met in Sochi. reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:24 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Yup al was een engelse/nederlandse vertaling mooi geweest.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:36 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Deze herhaling zul je wel niet erg vinden.

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HarrietSalem twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 18:19:31 10 days missing. #Ukraine must clarify status of #Russia-n journalist Andrei Stenin. Two wrongs don't make a right. https://t.co/bQBOCV0CDA reageer retweet

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En dit kan ook belangrijk zijn. Een nieuw diplomatiek offensief?

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NatVasilyevaAP twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 19:07:19 Russian wires say head of presidential administrations of Russia, Ukraine have met in Sochi. reageer retweet

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Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin said in a Twitter post he would meet Russia's Sergei Lavrov and the German and French foreign ministers on Sunday in Berlin: "It can be at a square table or a round table," he said. "But we have to talk."

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An der russisch-ukrainischen Grenze zeichnet sich womöglich eine direkte militärische Auseinandersetzung zwischen russischen und ukrainischen Truppen ab. Das legen die Entwicklungen der vergangenen Stunden nahe: Eine neue Kolonne russischer Militärfahrzeuge mit der Aufschrift "MS" für Friedenstruppen ist in Richtung ukrainische Grenze unterwegs. Dies belegen Bilder, die Mitarbeiter des ARD-Studios Moskau am Abend wenige Kilometer vor der ukrainischen Grenze aufnahmen. Auch beobachteten ARD-Mitarbeiter auf der russischen Seite der Grenze eine Konzentration russischer Militärfahrzeuge, inklusive Artillerie, BUK-Systeme und Panzer.

Dies nährt Befürchtungen der ukrainischen Führung sowie des Westens, dass die russische Führung unter dem Vorwand eines humanitären Einsatzes in der Ostukraine mit eigenen Truppen einmarschieren könnte. Die pro-russischen Separatisten in Donezk und Lugansk waren in den vergangenen Tagen immer stärker in Bedrängnis geraten, weil die ukrainischen Truppen immer näher an beide Städte heranrückten. Außerdem sollen sie die letzte Verbindungsstraße zur russischen Grenze eingenommen haben. Auch zogen sich wichtige Anführer wie der Russe Igor Girkin (Strelkow) von der Führung der Separatisten zurück.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 00:31 schreef Tukker87 het volgende:

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Dat praat de wandaden die ze doen nog niet goed.

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PaulSonne twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 20:26:27 In Starobilsk in northern Luhansk region. Red Cross has unloaded Ukrainian aid into storage. Its trucks will start distributing it tomorrow. reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 00:31 schreef Tukker87 het volgende:

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Dat praat de wandaden die ze doen nog niet goed.

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 01:13 schreef chroestjov het volgende:

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Gewoon opdelen, Oekraïne als natiestaat in de huidige vorm heeft geen legitimiteit meer.
Met Joegoslavië kon het ook dus ik zie niet in waarom het met Oekraïne niet zou kunnen.

Terechte blauwdruk voor de herindeling van Oekraïne:
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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 07:36 schreef erik013 het volgende:
Ik zie dat bijna alle buurlanden van Oekraine (op Rusland na natuurlijk ) NAVO-lid zijn.
Als die toevallig ook waren aangesloten, hoe had de situatie er dan nu uitgezien? Aangezien de NAVO-landen verplicht zijn een NAVO-lid dat aangevallen wordt te beschermen toch?

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Op zaterdag 16 augustus 2014 07:39 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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oa Wit Rusland en moldavie zijn ook geen navo lid.

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Dit is ook de kern van het probleem. De expansiedrift van het westen. Tegen alle afspraken in zijn bijvoorbeeld de baltische staten lid geworden.

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Het getrek aan landen als Georgie en Oekraine wordt niet geaccepteerd.

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Oekraine zoals het nu is , zal nooit NAVO lid kunnen worden.