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The West's sanctions are designed to bring in a regime change in Russia. But considering the closed nature of the system built by the former KGB sleuth, it will take time for the outside world to ascertain even if the rigours of sanctions trigger a deep unrest among the Russian elite that can eventually unseat Putin.
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There is a popular perception that “US government plans regime change and then Western Media promotes such regime changes that are planned by US government.” Political observers who promote this perception provide historical perspectives in support of their perception (that has become almost a narrative now). Instead of going into deep into history, one can cite recent global changes and developments in support of this perception. Examples:

“US government plans and Western Media promotes”

Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction (WDMs). He is a dangerous man for the world.

Followed by:

Regime changed Iraq goes to total disaster and in the hands of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and brutal terrorists of many off shoots of Al-Qaeeda.

US government says and Western Media promotes

Taliban are like animals and biggest danger for the world—

Followed by:

Regime changed—Afghanistan under NATO and ISAF attacks for 13 years—No results Taliban still imposing Shariah law in Pushtun dominated areas

US government says and Western Media promotes

Qadafi is criminal world terrorists corrupt dangerous and people of his country wish democratic government.

Followed by:

Regime changed Libya goes in the hands of terrorists and Al-Qaeeda

US government says and Western Media promotes

Arab spring is a breeze of democracy in Egypt.

Followed by:

Regime changed and Egypt becomes unstable and dangerous for the world (then again regime changes).

US government says and Western Media promotes

Viktor Yanukovych is brutal person killing innocent people in Maidan Euro. He is dictator.

Followed by:

Regime changed. Eastern Ukraine divided. Parliament failed to work and dissolved.

Now:

US government says and Western Media promotes

Putin is biggest dictator of this era. He is dangerous and he will attack other countries of Eastern Europe and he will march to Europe.

Followed by:

Regime will be changed. When and how? Observers believe that work on this assignment has already been started.
http://www.dnd.com.pk/set-regime-change-russia/

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America may be plotting to ensure regime change in Russia

In a throwback to the Cold War years, the US and Russia are shadow-boxing over Ukraine. Moscow had won the first round with the holding of the referendum and the annexation of Crimea. The unfortunate downing of the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, with 283 innocent civilians on board, by Russia-armed Ukrainian rebels mistaking it for a Ukraine military carrier made president Vladimir Putin almost an international pariah. Washington has decidedly won the second round.

The severe sanctions slapped on Russia by the US following the incident will severely impact the Russian economy in the longer term. Washington’s obvious plan is to get troublesome Putin out of the way. The expectation is that once Russians feel the crunch they will turn against the president. Much depends on how Putin plays his cards and how effectively the anti-Putin lobby in Russia can turn this into a “people's movement”.

Since the crisis in Ukraine, Putin’s popularity has soared domestically. A majority of ordinary Russians believe that a strong man like Putin is what the country needs in its hour of crisis, a leader who can act decisively and perhaps regain some bit of the country’s lost glory, at a time when it is almost encircled by the West in its own backyard.

Putin, once the chief of the KGB, Russia’s spy agency, is not a man to back down easily. In a show of strength, he has ordered the Russian army to the border areas adjoining Ukraine. Hitting back at the sanctions imposed by the West, Russia, in turn, has slapped sanctions on several Western imports, especially food products. But these sanctions are unlikely to affect the West. Australia is now threatening to stop selling uranium to Russia. How long Putin will be able to stand up against the crippling Western sanctions is not clear. Neither side is willing to back off and begin to talk — the West because it thinks Putin is in a spot; and the Russian president because he believes he cannot have the Western forces in what he considers his backyard. The fact that the eastern rebels are now talking of ceasefire with Ukraine, is an indication that Russia may be backing off.

Much will also depend on China and whether Beijing is willing to play ball with the US against Russia. China and Russia had signed a mega $400 billion gas deal earlier this year. However, this will take some time to get operational. The Ukrainian crisis has forced Russia to urgently seek an alternative to Europe, Moscow’s main energy market. Putin may just sack some of his hardline advisers, including Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and get back former finance minister Alexei Kudris, who is reforms-friendly and acceptable to the West. He has been critical of those who want to go back to State-controlled economy. Putin will have to rebuild links with sections of the business elite opposed to him. His new Prime Minister will have to negotiate a final accommodation with Ukraine.

The attempt to demonise Putin has been on for quite some time in the West. The break up of the former Soviet Union had led to euphoria across the world that Communism was dead and peace in Europe would no longer be a dream. The chaos in Russia with weak leaders like Boris Yeltsin led Western powers to have a more benign view of the former super power. When Putin came centre stage in 2000, the US and its allies were uneasy. The former KGB chief was keen to restore some of Russia’s past glory. The US and the EU had launched a relentless drive to box Russia into a corner with pro-Western governments encircling the former superpower. Georgia and Ukraine were the natural targets.
http://www.dnaindia.com/a(...)ge-in-russia-2010597
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ASLuhn twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 14:32:29 Novorossiya's Tsaryov says 3 rebel leaders who resigned are on holiday: "Even in WWII they gave top commanders vacations" @lentaruofficial reageer retweet
StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 11:57:55 Ukrainian govt confirms large number of military casualties (9 KIA and 22 WIA) in last 24 hours after intense fighting in E. #Ukraine reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 09:29:22 #BreakingNews Battalion Donbas fatalities are up to 8 in #Ilovaisk by the morning. reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 11:10:35 #Update / #correction Battalion Shahtersk now says, only 3 of its fighters killed in #Ilovaisk , 6 injured.Source: https://t.co/w8UsqYmSi5 reageer retweet
lennutrajektoor twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 00:32:42 Dear Internet, it's confirmed - Mark Paslavsky, former battalion "#Donbas" member call sign Franko was knows on twitter as @BSpringnote. RIP reageer retweet
SimonOstrovsky twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 09:54:03 Sad to report "Franko," the American fighting for #Ukraine, is confirmed dead. We spoke with him 2 weeks ago https://t.co/nFlgOMioYT reageer retweet
SimonOstrovsky twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 13:35:13 Photographers in danger. Maxim @dondyuk & Alexander Glyadelov surrounded in Ilovaisk with Donbas battalion. Under artillery barrage #Ukraine reageer retweet
olgatokariuk twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 12:15:08 #Ukraine one of the most dangerous places for journalists this year, 4 confirmed deaths, via @AFP http://t.co/WyAavoI1N0 reageer retweet

MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 14:28:23 #BreakingNews 34 civilians were killed in #Donetsk oblast yesterday plus another 29 injured.#UkraineUnderAttack reageer retweet


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TransNistria to become part of Russia like Crimea: Russian official
TransNistria will be a part of Russia, but the present situation in Ukraine prevents from doing it now, Putin’s envoy in Crimea Oleg Belaventsev said Aug. 19, Liga.net reports.

“I would unite TransNistria today. However, you see what is going on in Ukraine,” the envoy said.

“I am convinced that in the final run TransNistria will be a part of Russia,” he said.

In early August, Moldova demanded again that Russia withdraw its military from TransNistria.

Fearing the likely joining of Romania by Moldova , TransNistria, the base of a large Russian army and the area heavily populated by Russian-speakers, broke away from Moldova in 1992.
http://zik.ua/en/news/201(...)sian_official_516134
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No confirmed photographs exist of Putin’s two daughters, 29-year-old Maria, nicknamed Masha, and 28-year-old Ekaterina, known as Katya, as adults. The girls attended a university in Russia under false names; even their classmates were unaware of their real identity.

And when, in the aftermath of the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH-17, a Dutch tabloid claimed that Masha was living in the Netherlands with her Dutch partner, packs of reporters and protesters who flocked to her alleged residence were unable to find her—or anyone who knew her. Pieter Broertjes, mayor of Hilversum, Netherlands, called for Masha to be deported (he later retracted the statement), and Ukrainian protesters picketed outside the luxury apartment block where they were said to have lived. But the couple were long gone—if they were ever really there at all.


:')

Owen Matthews is n van die beroeps-Putinhaters die om de zoveel weken een anti-Russisch, anti-Putin artikel schrijven. Hij voorspelt de ineenstorting van de Russische economie sinds 2006 (in 14 artikels verschenen op thedailybeast.com). Zie overzicht van Mark Adomanis, n van de betere Rusland-waarnemers: http://www.forbes.com/sit(...)t-economic-collapse/

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Laatste artikel is wel goed al hoeft het westen niet veel te doen om vrienden te maken met buurlanden van Rusland als die zo bezig blijft gaan. Annexaties van gebieden vallen niet goed bij neutrale landen.

Overigens worden de sancties alweer afgebouwd ik gok dat lege supermarkten daar voor gezorgd hebben.
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 15:53 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Regime change, na Oekraine begint men nu in Rusland te stoken...
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1s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 17:48 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:
Overigens worden de sancties alweer afgebouwd ik gok dat lege supermarkten daar voor gezorgd hebben.
De stijgende voedselprijzen vergroten het risico op een regime change.
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 17:42 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Ja ik vond het een vreemd verhaal. Doet me denken aan al die MH17 aluhoedjes mensen die roepen dat er nergens foto's van de wrakstukken te vinden zijn. Complete lulkoek, alles staat in Full HD op het internet.
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 17:51 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
De stijgende voedselprijzen vergroten het risico op een regime change.
Ik vrees dat het het bloedigste regime change ever wordt...
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Man uit de video in de post hierboven



Wat denken jullie van het volgende?

Evidence of POW torture and trying to blame Ukraine for it.

djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:32:51 Evidence of POW torture and trying to blame Ukraine for it. http://t.co/KTJFAyJewD http://t.co/LxBAOJxLb3 reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:52:03 @djp3tros I mean, what!! Are you really saying the guys in the "Novorossiya" uniforms are Ukrainian soldiers?! Why they don't say so??!! reageer retweet
djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:55:28 @MiddleEast_BRK Because they are beaten, threatened with guns and in the background you hear shooting NOT from fire fights... reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:05:56 @djp3tros thanks. you have a memory like and elephant that you remembered the face of that older guy! reageer retweet
djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:13:41 @MiddleEast_BRK I remembered his face, but had help :D... OSINT... Open Source Intelligence... :D. And I have seen more 'torture videos' reageer retweet


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Moeilijk te zeggen, mij lijkt de gevangene veel jonger dan die oekrainse soldaat.
Wat mij betreft is de 'smoking gun' het feit dat een van de soldaten een veel te ruim uniform aan heeft.


Nog een interessante, de adviseur van President Putin legt uit hoe de vork in de steel zit.

(Engelse ondertiteling aanzetten)

Hij benoemd o.a.:
- Er komt een nieuw technologisch systeem, maar volgens een cyclus komt er oorlog ofzo.
- Oekraieners zijn allemaal Nazi's (deze is oud)
- Duitsland is nog steeds bezet door Amerika (deze is nieuw)

en meer totale lulkoek.

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  woensdag 20 augustus 2014 @ 19:31:12 #238
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Geen 18 ? Geen druppel!
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 19:21 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Man uit de video in de post hierboven

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Wat denken jullie van het volgende?

Evidence of POW torture and trying to blame Ukraine for it.

djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:32:51 Evidence of POW torture and trying to blame Ukraine for it. http://t.co/KTJFAyJewD http://t.co/LxBAOJxLb3 reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:52:03 @djp3tros I mean, what!! Are you really saying the guys in the "Novorossiya" uniforms are Ukrainian soldiers?! Why they don't say so??!! reageer retweet
djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 16:55:28 @MiddleEast_BRK Because they are beaten, threatened with guns and in the background you hear shooting NOT from fire fights... reageer retweet
MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:05:56 @djp3tros thanks. you have a memory like and elephant that you remembered the face of that older guy! reageer retweet
djp3tros twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:13:41 @MiddleEast_BRK I remembered his face, but had help :D... OSINT... Open Source Intelligence... :D. And I have seen more 'torture videos' reageer retweet
Mwah, dat kunnen ook gewoon 2 verschillende personen zijn.
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 19:26 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Moeilijk te zeggen, mij lijkt de gevangene veel jonger dan die oekrainse soldaat.
De gevangene heeft grijs haar. De soldaat komt net uit de Southern Couldren en is dus zwaar vermoeid.

En in de video vertelt een man dat hij de wereld heeft doorgrond en de toekomst kan voorspellen. Dat betekent dat hij uit z'n nek lult. Iets voor BNW.

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Mwah, dat kunnen ook gewoon 2 verschillende personen zijn.
Inderdaad.
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MiddleEast_BRK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 18:25:52 #BREAKINGNEWS PARTS OF THE RUSSIAN WHITE TRUCK "AID CONVOY" ARE ENTERING #UKRAINE RIGHT NOW. reageer retweet
1 uur geleden dus.
ARothNYT twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 18:24:24 First trucks have crossed into the border zone, eight in all are going through at the moment. http://t.co/pVsJwqGIbd reageer retweet

ARothNYT twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 19:40:47 The process of checking the trucks has not yet begun and they are not currently on Ukrainian territory. If it happens, it will take hours. reageer retweet


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  woensdag 20 augustus 2014 @ 19:57:48 #241
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Breaking News: Separatists shoot down Ukrainian Su-25 fighter plane in eastern Ukraine: Ukrainian military spokesman
Reuters
Say what?
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Reuters
myroslavapetsa twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:42:57 #Luhansk militants downed Ukrainian military plane over Novosvetlivka, Krasnodon district http://t.co/faUkWVmYoT reageer retweet
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 15:53 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Regime change, na Oekraine begint men nu in Rusland te stoken...
Turchynov: Russia needs war with Ukraine to divert attention from crisis in Russia itself

The Russian authorities need an armed conflict in eastern Ukraine to divert the attention of Russians from the crisis in Russia itself, Verkhovna Rada Chairman Oleksandr Turchynov has said.

"Sooner or later the 'propaganda frenzy' will pass, and the Russian people will see that their authorities needed the war with Ukrainians only to divert their attention from the crisis in Russia itself, where a totalitarian curtain is currently being re-hung at a hysterical pace, in order to fence their citizens from democratic and civilized values, depriving them of any chance of development and a worthy life," the speaker's press service quoted him as saying.

Turchynov also reminded the Russian Foreign Ministry of the biblical saying:

"For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

He said that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine would result in huge problems in Russia itself.

He noted that the events in the eastern regions were not a Ukrainian conflict.

"It's a hybrid war that Russia has begun against Ukraine, a war with the participation of the Russian security services and the army," Turchynov said.

He also added: "Russia is doing everything possible to continue this war, reinforcing its military presence at the very moment when the Ukrainian army is close to victory."

Yarema sends letter to Russian prosecutor general on involvement of Russian citizens in Donbas conflict

Ukrainian Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema has sent an official letter to Russian Prosecutor General Yury Chaika regarding the need for Russian law enforcement agencies to take measures to prevent the participation of Russian citizens in the armed conflict on Ukrainian territory.

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In particular, the letter notes that the pre-trial investigation authorities of Ukraine, in connection with participation in armed conflicts and hostilities in Donetsk and Lugansk regions, are prosecuting Russian citizens Igor Bezler, Igor Girkin, Sergei Zdrilyuk, Nikolai Kozitsin, Alexander Borodai and other Russian citizens.

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Putin zal wel balen dat de olieprijs niet stijgt ondanks alle oorlog :')
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Idled Russian Aid Convoy Gets Back on the Road to Ukraine

BojanowskiW twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 17:54:25 The 16 trucks at #izvaryne are beeing blessed now. As they say - before leaving to Ukraine. #ICRC conference soon http://t.co/OEAB7gHfk6 reageer retweet



EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 20:50:36 21Aug is earliest when #Ukrainian border guards, customs officers will start checks/clearance of Russian convoy http://t.co/JXWLyOTkuD |EMPR reageer retweet


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Ukraine conflict: Fierce battle for town of Ilovaisk

SimonOstrovsky twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 19:28:17 Civilians in the basement of school being attacked by separatists in Ilovaysk, @dondyuk reports. Donbas desperate for backup #Ukraine reageer retweet
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myroslavapetsa twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 20:03:10 #Poroshenko appoints Mustafa #Cemilev his representative for Crimean Tatar affairs.#Russia'd banned Cemilev from entering #Crimea for 5years reageer retweet
MrKovalenko twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 19:56:57 Most part of #Luhansk city is already under #Ukraine's forces control. Cleanup goes on. - @NSDC_ua spox Lysenko. reageer retweet
GrahamWP_UK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 20:35:33 Another day of western journalists not in #Lugansk trying to say that Ukr forces have taken control. No, they just shelled the place up. reageer retweet
GrahamWP_UK twitterde op woensdag 20-08-2014 om 18:54:02 *** Breaking *** New video from just a few minutes ago, as Ukraine military shelling hits #Lugansk centre - https://t.co/sM2Rl2KFWd reageer retweet


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10s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 21:13 schreef BEFEM het volgende:
Putin zal wel balen dat de olieprijs niet stijgt ondanks alle oorlog :')
Dat doet hij zeker, want door de lage olieprijs krijgt hij de Russische begroting niet rond :D
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1s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 22:12 schreef J.B. het volgende:
Dat doet hij zeker, want door de lage olieprijs krijgt hij de Russische begroting niet rond
Als het alleen maar dat was.
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Wat een grote leugen, dat ze daar lult...Ze begint al "Fascisten hebben vanochtend weer Donetsk gebombardeerd..." Fascisten, dat zijn dus de Oekranse leger...
  woensdag 20 augustus 2014 @ 23:04:05 #250
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0s.gif Op woensdag 20 augustus 2014 13:16 schreef Solstice1 het volgende:

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Kan me niet voorstellen dat er mensen zijn die dat hopen.
Dat ligt er aan hoe je het bekijkt. Een dure vieze oorlog, of nog 30 jaar door Putin gechanteerd en bestolen worden. Doe dan maar oorlog.
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