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  maandag 24 maart 2008 @ 11:31:33 #1
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
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Democratic Party



  • Hillary Clinton - Officiële Website



  • Barack Obama - Officiële Website



    Republican Party



  • John McCain - Officiële Website



    Independent Candidate(s)

  • Ralph Nader - Officiële Website



    Oval Office

    Het uiteindelijke doel van deze verkiezing is een plaatsje achter het beroemde bureau in het Oval Office van de het Witte huis, waar in de vloerbedekking in het midden van de ruimte met trots het Seal of the President is verwerkt:



    Algemene Websites

    http://www.ontheissues.org - bekijk de standpunten van de candidaten.
    http://www.democrats.org - de officiële site van de Democratic Party
    http://www.gop.com - de officiële site van de Republican Party (Grand Old Party)
    http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm - grote verzameling van polls vanuit alle hoeken.
    http://politics.nytimes.c(...)8/results/index.html - mooi overzicht van resultaten tot nu toe.

    FOK! US Election Special

    Ook FOK! besteed aandacht aan de Amerikaanse verkiezingen. Op de FrontPage verscheen onlangs een special waarin het Amerikaanse verkiezingssysteem wordt uitgelegd, en een aantal van de kandidaten worden voorgesteld. Zie hier: US Election special op FOK!

    De Primaries

    Hieronder een overzicht van alle resterende primaries:

    APRIL 2008
  • April 22: Pennsylvania

    MAY 2008
  • May 6: Indiana, North Carolina
  • May 13: Nebraska (primary), West Virginia
  • May 20: Kentucky, Oregon
  • May 27: Idaho (R)

    JUNE 2008
  • June 3: Montana, New Mexico (R), South Dakota

    AUGUST 2008
  • August 25-28: Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado

    SEPTEMBER 2008
  • September 1-4: Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota

    De Primaries op de kaart:





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  • Géén kloon van tvlxd!
      maandag 24 maart 2008 @ 11:33:13 #2
    65394 Montov
    Dogmaticus Irritantus
    pi_57575620
    quote:
    quote:
    Op maandag 24 maart 2008 11:13 schreef Montov het volgende:
    Hier een voorbeeld hoe belangrijk context en nuance kan zijn: http://www.crooksandliars(...)than-chris-matthews/
    Géén kloon van tvlxd!
    pi_57576092
    TerugVindPennsylvania
    pi_57583143
    Deze verkiezingen zijn goed voor mijn topografische kennis .

    [ Bericht 24% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 24-03-2008 18:07:16 ]
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    tvp
      maandag 24 maart 2008 @ 23:40:15 #6
    10763 popolon
    Fetchez la vache!
    pi_57590546
    Clinton under sniperfire.

    Wat een zooitje bij de democraten , pathetisch is het.
    Patience is not one of my virtues, neither is memory. Or patience for that matter.
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 02:34:38 #7
    1593 Perico
    Serpent Rouge
    pi_57592486
    Bill Richardson is een echte Judas. Kijkt 2 maanden terug nog de superbowl met Bill Clinton, hij was UN ambassadeur onder zijn presidentschap, heeft zijn carriere aan hem te danken, maar steunt als gouverneur van New Mexico (enige Latino) en superdelegate nu Obama.

    Eigenlijk praat hij alleen maar onzin, hij vindt dat de superdelegates moeten stemmen al naar gelang de wil van de kiezers in hun staat...

    Maar Clinton won New Mexico! Neeeeee, zegt Richardson dan, voor hemzelf geldt dat niet, want het verschil was klein (51 - 48%) en dan mag het.

    Achja, hij wil zeker graag running mate worden... Denk niet dat er veel Latino's wakker liggen van hem, hun staten zijn al geweest.
    pi_57592522
    conservatief tvpeetje
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
    pi_57592539
    McCain hoeft straks wellicht niet eens campagne te voeren tegen de democratische kandidaat. Dat doen de democraten dan zelf wel.
    pi_57592569
    Dat is toch wel triest, want McCain is nou niet direct een geweldige reclame voor de Republikeinen. Het enige positieve dat ik aan McCain kan ontdekken is zijn plan voor health care reform.
    quote:
    While McCain’s conservative credentials have been questioned during the campaign, there is no doubt his health plan reflects a strong conservative ideology.

    Senator McCain's health plan clearly reflects a belief that we need to put as our first priority getting at the things that make health care so expensive and frustrating for consumers rather than, as he would put it, promising everyone a painless access to a system that isn't working.
    In McCain's eigen woorden:
    quote:
    "For all the grandiose promises made in this campaign, has any candidate spoken honestly to the American people about the government's role and failings about individual responsibilities? Has any candidate told the truth about the future of Medicare? Its costs are growing astronomically faster than its financing, and leaving its structural flaws unaddressed will hasten its bankruptcy. Has any candidate warned that we have a personal responsibility to take better care of our children and ourselves? Yet that is the only way to prevent many chronic diseases. Has any candidate insisted that genuine and effective health care reform requires accountability from everyone: drug companies, insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, the government, and patients? Yet that is the truth upon which any so-called solution must be based.

    “Democratic presidential candidates are not telling you these truths. They offer their usual default position: If the government would only pay for insurance everything would be fine. They promise universal coverage, whatever its cost, and the massive tax increases, mandates, and government regulation that it imposes. I offer a genuinely conservative vision for health care reform, which preserves the most essential value of American lives—freedom.”
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/224958/631/841/481227

    De uitspraken van de dominee van Obama, maar dan in hun contekst
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 10:32:04 #12
    65394 Montov
    Dogmaticus Irritantus
    pi_57595262
    quote:
    Barack Obama gained a boost yesterday when the first poll taken since his make-or-break speech last week on race put him back ahead of Hillary Clinton. A nationwide Gallup poll put Obama on 48% to Clinton's 45%. The same poll last week, taken at the height of the row over Obama's minister in Chicago, Jeremiah Wright, gave Clinton her first lead for weeks, 49% to his 42%.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)bama.uselections2008

    Het is maar 1 poll, langetermijnvoorspellingen zijn er niet mee te doen, etc, maar toch een goed teken voor Obama.
    Géén kloon van tvlxd!
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 10:37:23 #13
    96190 PJORourke
    Beautiful burnout
    pi_57595345
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Mar24.html

    Er is geloof ik zelfs een poll waar Obama Massachusetts verliest...
    What are you going to do to me? You go fuck yourself - I say what I want.
    - Oriana Fallaci 1929-2006
    pi_57595803
    CBS News Video Contradicts Clinton's Story
    CBS' Sharyl Attkisson Was On Hillary's Bosnia Trip - And Got A Warm, Sniper-Free Welcome

    http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)ws/main3964921.shtml

    Die kan je afschijven, tijd om de handdoek te gooien voor Hillary
    pi_57595896
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 11:08 schreef NLweltmeister het volgende:
    CBS News Video Contradicts Clinton's Story
    CBS' Sharyl Attkisson Was On Hillary's Bosnia Trip - And Got A Warm, Sniper-Free Welcome

    http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)ws/main3964921.shtml

    Die kan je afschijven, tijd om de handdoek te gooien voor Hillary
    Ik vraag me echt af wat haar bezielde om dit te claimen als het verzonnen is. Veel stemmen zul je er toch niet mee winnen en als een dergelijke leugen uitkomt, dan loop je toch serieuze imagoschade op.
    Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
    pi_57596237
    Haar reactie is wel grappig:

    "I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things - millions of words a day - so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.



    miljoenen woorden per dag? wow.. een dag heeft 86400 seconden. Dus als we het op 1 miljoen houden zegt Clinton bijna 12 woorden per seconde, continue! Ik heb medelijden met Bill
    pi_57596466
    "She meant that there was fire on the hillside around the area when we landed, which was the case," said Clinton campaign aid Lissa Muscatine.

    Dan heeft ze daar een bijzondere manier van spreken aan overgehouden want haar uitspraken leken daar niet eens op.
    pi_57596480
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 11:08 schreef NLweltmeister het volgende:
    CBS News Video Contradicts Clinton's Story
    CBS' Sharyl Attkisson Was On Hillary's Bosnia Trip - And Got A Warm, Sniper-Free Welcome

    http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)ws/main3964921.shtml

    Die kan je afschijven, tijd om de handdoek te gooien voor Hillary
    We landed under sniper fire Het geeft het begrip fantasy-based politics een nieuwe betekenis.

    [ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door DrWolffenstein op 25-03-2008 11:53:50 ]
    pi_57596749
    terugvindprimaries
    Op maandag 30 november 2009 19:30 schreef Ian_Nick het volgende:
    Pietje's hobby is puzzelen en misschien ben jij wel het laatste stukje O+
    pi_57597826
    quote:
    Why we should fear a McCain presidency

    It may seem incredible to say this, given past experience, but a few years from now Europe and the world could be looking back at the Bush administration with nostalgia. This possibility will arise if the US elects Senator John McCain as president in November.

    Over the years the US has inserted itself into potential flashpoints in different parts of the world. The Republican party is now about to put forward a natural incendiary as the man to deal with those flashpoints.

    The problem that Mr McCain poses stems from his ideology, his policies and above all his personality. His ideology, like that of his chief advisers, is neo-conservative. In the past, Mr McCain was considered to be an old-style conservative realist. Today, the role of the realists on his team is merely decorative.
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0(...).html?nclick_check=1
    pi_57602135
    quote:
    It sometimes seems that you can't read a story about John McCain without seeing him referred to as a "maverick." But is it true?

    Perhaps no word has been used to describe John McCain more often than "maverick." In January and February of 2008 alone, McCain was called a "maverick" more than 1,300 times in newspapers and on television. And those who use the label to describe McCain rarely explain just what he has done to earn it. But a closer examination of his record shows that McCain isn't quite the maverick that he is made out to be. The truth is that McCain's breaks from the Republican Party line are few and far between. According to Congressional Quarterly's "party unity" ratings, since he came to the Senate in 1989, there have been only three years in which McCain voted with his party less than 80 percent of the time. When he has gone against the party line -- such as on campaign finance reform, global warming, or tobacco regulations -- McCain has taken a position that was overwhelmingly popular with the public, meaning that when he takes a "maverick" stance, he's gaining support with the public -- and hardly taking a political risk.

    Just as important, McCain's acts of independence aren't so much on high-profile issues as they are on issues that the press makes high-profile, precisely because of McCain's involvement. In all these cases, something important happens in the media when McCain opposes his party. When an ordinary senator crosses party lines, he or she will join members of the other party and perhaps have occasional opportunities to be quoted or interviewed on the issue in question. When McCain crosses party lines, on the other hand, the story the news media write undergoes a shift: It then becomes a story not about a conflict between Democrats and Republicans, but a story about John McCain and his rebellion. This is why McCain is perceived to be much more of a maverick than Republicans such as Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, who actually break with the GOP far more often. Yet journalists continue over and over to call McCain a "maverick," seldom questioning whether there might be more to the story.
    http://mediamattersaction.org/freeride/myths/#1
    pi_57603336
    Mondique, heb je misschien ook nog zelf een mening of enig commentaar op de dingen die je quote?
    Op vrijdag 15 januari 2016 23:58 schreef Ajacied422 het volgende:
    Feitelijk heeft Shreyas gewoon gelijk.
    pi_57603695
    het meisje uit de 3am clip van Hillary heeft het heft in eigen handen genomen

    http://belowthebeltway.co(...)ommercial-for-obama/
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 17:47:40 #24
    1593 Perico
    Serpent Rouge
    pi_57603705
    Ed Rendell (Dem. Gov. van PA) legt helder uit waarom Clinton nog kan winnen

    Bovenstaande video van 4 minuten gaat over Richardson, Florida/Michigan, de zuivere rol van de superdelegates en het democratische principe, dat iedere staat zijn stem moet hebben en dat je niet zenuwachtig nu maar moet gaan roepen dat het maar snel afgelopen moet zijn.
    pi_57604353
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 17:30 schreef Shreyas het volgende:
    Mondique, heb je misschien ook nog zelf een mening of enig commentaar op de dingen die je quote?
    Nee. Ik sta achter elke mening die gegeven wordt door mijn gebookmarkte communistische websites.
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 18:27:41 #26
    28167 matthijst
    In a New York State of Mind
    pi_57604496
    quote:
    Op maandag 24 maart 2008 23:40 schreef popolon het volgende:
    Clinton under sniperfire.
    Geniaal, net in het journaal die twee clipjes achter elkaar....
    Sniperfire --> Schoolkinderen

    Haar bijdrage aan de vrede in Noord-Ierland had ze ook al verzonnen

    Hillary
    Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 18:51:14 #27
    65394 Montov
    Dogmaticus Irritantus
    pi_57604988
    quote:
    Let’s recap. Foreign policy cred lets him get away with wild howlers on foreign policy. Fiscal integrity cred lets him get away with outlandishly irresponsible economic plans. Anti-lobbyist cred lets him get away with pandering to lobbyists. Campaign finance reform cred lets him get away with gaming the campaign finance system. Straight talking cred lets him get away with brutally slandering Mitt Romney in the closing days of the Republican primary. Maverick uprightness cred allows him to get away with begging for endorsements from extremist religious leaders like John Hagee. “Man of conviction” cred allows him to get away with transparent flip-flopping so egregious it would make any other politician a laughingstock. Anti-torture cred allows him to get away with supporting torture as long as only the CIA does it.

    Remind me again: where does all this cred come from? And what window do Democrats go to to get the same treatment the press gives McCain?
    http://www.washingtonmont(...)l/2008_03/013394.php
    Géén kloon van tvlxd!
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 20:38:49 #28
    96190 PJORourke
    Beautiful burnout
    pi_57607721
    quote:
    Washington Monthly
    What are you going to do to me? You go fuck yourself - I say what I want.
    - Oriana Fallaci 1929-2006
    pi_57608047
    quote:
    Op maandag 24 maart 2008 18:06 schreef Sloggi het volgende:
    Deze verkiezingen zijn goed voor mijn topografische kennis .
    Tip: http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/web_games.htm
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    quote:
    Leuke link!
    pi_57609293
    quote:
    Clinton: verhaal Bosnië klopte niet

    Hillary Clinton zegt dat zij een fout heeft gemaakt toen ze vertelde dat zij in 1996 in Bosnië moest vluchten voor scherpschutters. Uit filmbeelden blijkt dat ze helemaal geen gevaar liep.

    Clinton zei dat ze op het vliegveld van Tuzla onder vuur lag en moest rennen voor haar leven. Op de video is te zien hoe ze hartelijk wordt onvangen en met allerlei mensen een praatje maakt.

    Het campagneteam van Clintons rivaal Barack Obama probeert munt te slaan uit de blunder. Volgens dat team blijkt uit dit incident dat Clinton overdrijft als ze zegt dat ze veel ervaring heeft met buitenlandse politiek.
    NOS

    pi_57609368
    quote:
    Obama releases tax returns, challenges Clinton to follow suit

    (CNN) -- Barack Obama and his wife released their tax returns from 2000 to 2006 on his campaign Web site Wednesday, and the Illinois senator challenged Sen. Hillary Clinton to release hers.

    Later, Clinton said she expected to release her tax returns "shortly, I hope within the next week."

    Sen. Barack Obama is challenging Sen. Hillary Clinton to release her 2006 tax returns.

    The Obama campaign said Clinton should immediately release her 2006 return, pointing to her decision to lend her campaign $5 million earlier this year.

    The Obama camp also cited former President Bill Clinton's $20 million payout from supermarket holding company Yucaipa as a reason why the couple should release the documents.

    The Obama campaign said that company invests in tax shelters in the Cayman Islands.

    Clinton has promised to release 2007 returns sometime after this year's April 15 income tax deadline, just a few days before Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.

    "Senator Clinton recently claimed that she's 'the most transparent figure in public life,' yet she's dragging her feet in releasing something as basic as her annual tax returns," Obama's communications director, Robert Gibbs, said in a statement. "Senator Clinton can't claim to be vetted until she allows the public the opportunity to see her finances -- particularly with respect to any investment in tax shelters."

    But Clinton made her own challenge to Obama during a press conference in Greensburg, Pennsylvania.

    "I am pleased that Senator Obama has released his tax returns. I think that's a good first step," she said. "Now he should release his records from being in the state Senate and any other information that the public and the press need to know from his prior experience."

    According to the 2006 return, Obama and his wife, Michelle, earned over $991,000 in 2006 and paid $277,431 on the income.

    More than half of the couple's income in 2006 -- nearly $507,000 -- came from royalties from his two books, "The Audacity of Hope" and "Dreams From My Father." In 2005, Obama earned over $1,210,000 from royalties, according to the couple's returns that year.

    The Obamas earned nearly $431,000 in wages in 2006, according to the returns. The documents do not show what Obama or his wife individually earned, but the senator's salary was $165,000 that year.

    They also earned more than $51,000 from Treehouse Foods, an Illinois-based food manufacturer. Michelle Obama served on Treehouse's board from June 2005 to May 2007.

    Before 2005, the couple had more modest incomes. Between 2000 and 2004, they earned between $207,647 and $275,123 a year.

    The returns were posted just minutes after the Clinton campaign attacked Obama for not releasing them.

    "In the public record, there are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns, hundreds of thousands of pages of records from her time in the White House and countless other documents detailing her time in public life.

    "Sen. Obama's record is far more opaque. Sen. Obama has not released his tax returns, except for 2006," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said in a statement sent to reporters just as the Obama camp posted the Illinois senator's returns online.
    CNN

    Ik vind dat allemaal niet echt ergens over gaan, maar goed, afmaken die handel nou
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 18:27 schreef matthijst het volgende:

    [..]

    Geniaal, net in het journaal die twee clipjes achter elkaar....
    Sniperfire --> Schoolkinderen

    Haar bijdrage aan de vrede in Noord-Ierland had ze ook al verzonnen

    Hillary
    Doet me toch een beetje denken aan Al - ManBearPig - Gore, die dacht dat hij de uitvinder van het internet was.
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
    pi_57611104
    Het is toch iedere keer genieten als ik Hillary zo op haar bek zie gaan. Sorry, leedvermaak, maar ik kan het niet laten.
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 22:48 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:
    Het is toch iedere keer genieten als ik Hillary zo op haar bek zie gaan. Sorry, leedvermaak, maar ik kan het niet laten.
    Schaam je niet, zou ik zeggen. Ze zou hetzelfde bij jou doen.
    pi_57611719
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 22:48 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:
    Het is toch iedere keer genieten als ik Hillary zo op haar bek zie gaan. Sorry, leedvermaak, maar ik kan het niet laten.
    Ach de Democraten denken vast net zo over Bush

    (tvp)
    Als het niet wil branden moet je beter stoken.
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 23:28:26 #37
    10763 popolon
    Fetchez la vache!
    pi_57612063
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 23:13 schreef du_ke het volgende:

    [..]

    Ach de Democraten denken vast net zo over Bush

    (tvp)
    Het aparte is dus dat de helft van de democraten Clinton ook graag zien verliezen. De verdeeldheid in de partij is nog nooit zo groot geweest ook dankzij haar campagne. Slechte zaak als je geen GOP'er bent.

    En McCain cruised gewoon vrolijk verder.
    Patience is not one of my virtues, neither is memory. Or patience for that matter.
    pi_57612585
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 22:43 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:

    [..]

    Doet me toch een beetje denken aan Al - ManBearPig - Gore, die dacht dat hij de uitvinder van het internet was.
    Alleen heeft Al Gore nooit beweerd de uitvinder van het internet te zijn, en ga jij toch meer op je bek.
      dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 23:59:45 #39
    28167 matthijst
    In a New York State of Mind
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    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 23:47 schreef Monidique het volgende:
    Alleen heeft Al Gore nooit beweerd de uitvinder van het internet te zijn, en ga jij toch meer op je bek.
    Mwah, ik vind die uitleg waarnaar jij verwijst niet echt heel overtuigend, moet ik zeggen. Als dit een quote is:

    "During my service in The United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"

    OK, je kan mierenneuken over het verschil tussen uitvinden en creeren
    Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
    pi_57612880
    as in... politics... not as in... science...
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 00:30:45 #41
    1593 Perico
    Serpent Rouge
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    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 18:27 schreef matthijst het volgende:

    Haar bijdrage aan de vrede in Noord-Ierland had ze ook al verzonnen

    Hillary
    Dat is pertinent onjuist, iedereen die er aan mee heeft onderhandeld heeft haar rol hierin bevestigd.
    quote:
    With Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton accused of exaggerating her role in the Northern Ireland peace process, Ireland Prime Minister Bertie Ahern offered his two cents.

    Mr. Ahern called Mrs. Clinton “hugely helpful” in the process both as first lady and as a U.S. senator, and suggested some of the criticism of her are unfair.

    Mr. Ahern said the Clintons were a force in the process, even if they were not directly involved.

    “She was the first lady of the United States, not a party leader in Northern Ireland,” Mr. Ahern said. “No one would expect her to get into the nitty-gritty of the process.”

    He said the Clintons made three visits to the nation and that Mrs. Clinton continued to be engaged ever since.
    “Any fair observation would find that both Hillary and Bill Clinton made peace in Ireland a priority while they were in the White House and after,” he said.


    [ Bericht 26% gewijzigd door Perico op 26-03-2008 00:39:25 ]
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 00:58:00 #42
    1593 Perico
    Serpent Rouge
    pi_57613609
    Hier, Obama overdrijft ook zelf lekker deze campagne! (begin februari):

    Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.
    quote:
    "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from

  • 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser' to
  • 'Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to
  • 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to
  • 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.'
  •   Moderator / Redactie Sport / Weblog woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 02:14:17 #43
    17650 crew  rubbereend
    JUICHEN
    pi_57614187
    Clinton maakt toch wel een keiharde blunbder op het gebied waar ze zo over opschept
    DeLuna vindt me dik ;(
    Op zondag 22 juni 2014 12:30 schreef 3rdRock het volgende:
    pas als jullie gaan trouwen. nu ben je gewoon die Oom Rubber die met onze mama leuke dingen doet :)
    pi_57614370
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 23:47 schreef Monidique het volgende:

    [..]

    Alleen heeft Al Gore nooit beweerd de uitvinder van het internet te zijn, en ga jij toch meer op je bek.
    Ik ben niet overtuigd.
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 06:17:28 #45
    96190 PJORourke
    Beautiful burnout
    pi_57614750
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    Op woensdag 26 maart 2008 00:30 schreef Perico het volgende:
    Dat is pertinent onjuist, iedereen die er aan mee heeft onderhandeld heeft haar rol hierin bevestigd.
    David Trimble niet...
    What are you going to do to me? You go fuck yourself - I say what I want.
    - Oriana Fallaci 1929-2006
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 08:02:14 #46
    65394 Montov
    Dogmaticus Irritantus
    pi_57615134
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    Op dinsdag 25 maart 2008 23:59 schreef matthijst het volgende:

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    Mwah, ik vind die uitleg waarnaar jij verwijst niet echt heel overtuigend, moet ik zeggen. Als dit een quote is:

    "During my service in The United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"

    OK, je kan mierenneuken over het verschil tussen uitvinden en creeren
    Nee, het is het verschil tussen uitvinden en het politieke initiatief nemen.
    Géén kloon van tvlxd!
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 08:38:26 #47
    28167 matthijst
    In a New York State of Mind
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    Op woensdag 26 maart 2008 00:30 schreef Perico het volgende:

    Dat is pertinent onjuist, iedereen die er aan mee heeft onderhandeld heeft haar rol hierin bevestigd.

    Mr. Ahern called Mrs. Clinton “hugely helpful” in the process both as first lady and as a U.S. senator, and suggested some of the criticism of her are unfair.
    Mr. Ahern said the Clintons were a force in the process, even if they were not directly involved.
    Da's gewoon beleefdheid, gok ik zo...
    Clinton zei er zelf dit over: "" What I was was part of a team and that team included obviously the principal negotiators under the direct authority of my husband."

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    Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.
    Mooie vergelijking. Of heeft Obama geholpen met blazen, om een tornado te veroorzaken
    Haters everywhere but I don't really care.
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    Op woensdag 26 maart 2008 02:59 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:

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    Ik ben niet overtuigd.
    Dat ligt aan jou, niet aan de uitleg.
      woensdag 26 maart 2008 @ 12:21:52 #50
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    Woke Warrior
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    Obama's family tree expanded to include the Bushes and the Pitts

    Barack Obama often jokes in his campaign speeches about a genealogical survey last year that found he is a distant cousin of Dick Cheney.

    Now there is more bad news for Obama: a study published yesterday found he is related to George Bush as well.

    Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, said Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six US presidents his cousins: both Bushes, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman and James Madison. The society, a non-profit organisation, found he is also related to Churchill.

    It said it investigated the blood lines of the three presidential hopefuls. One of the oddest connections is that Obama is related to Brad Pitt and Hillary Clinton to Pitt's partner, Angelina Jolie.

    Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is a distant cousin of Madonna, Céline Dion and Alanis Morissette. Other distant cousins include writer Jack Kerouac and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.

    Obama and Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662. Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in Quebec in 1718.

    While family trees such as these throw up interesting links, genetically they are meaningless. While children carry half the genes of their father, cousins as far removed as Obama and Bush would have no more genetic link than someone they bumped into at random in the street.

    The Republican candidate, John McCain, had claimed to be related to the Scottish king Robert the Bruce but, as the Guardian disclosed last week, British genealogists debunked that. The New England genealogists found no royal strain either but established yet another Bush connection: McCain is a sixth cousin of the first lady, Laura Bush.
    In de VS heeft de ELITE het voor het zeggen.
    Deuger, Woke & Gutmensch
    "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
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