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  zaterdag 19 juli 2008 @ 14:26:50 #1
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Maandag wordt er duidelijkheid gegeven over wat er met de zaak gaat gebeuren en of er een aanklacht komt, wat al wel duidelijk is:
- Ook al komt de zaak in de kast te liggen, hij wordt niet gesloten.
- De McCanns willen met alle geweld de arguidostatus opgeheven hebben.
- Er is nog onduidelijkheid over in hoeverre de zaak publiek wordt, maw of alles naar buiten gaat komen.

Goed, hopelijk de laatste en moge er eindelijk duidelijk worden wat er is gebeurt.

Een globale tijdslijn:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL1781859420080717?rpc=401&=undefined&pageNumber=4&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true
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LONDON (Reuters) - Madeleine McCann went missing in Portugal in May, 2007, sparking a massive publicity campaign and search.

Here is a timeline of the case:

2007

May 3 - Madeleine McCann goes missing from her bedroom in the Algarve holiday resort of Praia da Luz while her parents Kate and Gerry are dining just 100 yards away.

May 5 - Police say they believe she is still alive and being held within three miles of the crime scene.

May 14 - A British man, Robert Murat, is taken to a police station for questioning. He is later released.

May 30 - The McCanns meet Pope Benedict during a general audience at the Vatican.

June 1 - The couple embark on a tour to publicise their campaign. Countries visited include Spain, Germany, Morocco and the United States.

August 7 - Traces of blood have been found on the wall of the apartment where the girl went missing, local newspaper Diario de Noticias says.

August 11 - Portuguese police Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa tells the BBC that she may be dead.

September 7 - Police name Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects, but bring no charges. September 9 - The couple fly back to Britain with their twins.

October 2 - Goncalo Amaral, the detective leading the investigation, is removed from the case.

October 9 - His replacement is named as senior officer Paulo Rebelo.

October 24 - Spanish TV broadcasts an interview with Gerry and Kate McCann. They describe claims they drugged their daughter as "outrageous".

December 22 - Gerry and Kate McCann issue a Christmas message urging their daughter to "be brave".

2008

January 9 - The parents deny reports that they plan to turn their story into a film.

January 20 - They release new pictures of a possible suspect based on a tourist's account.

February 3 - The head of Portugal's police says authorities were hasty in naming the parents as suspects in her disappearance.

February 13 - Portuguese Justice Minister Alberto Costa says the investigation is close to an end.

February 21 - French police dismiss a possible sighting of the girl near the Mediterranean port city of Sete.

March 19 - The Daily Express and Daily Star apologise to Kate and Gerry McCann and agree to pay them substantial damages.

April 30 - The McCanns reveal in a TV interview that they have boxes full of messages from the public, including hate-mail and a death threat.

May 1 - Gerry and Kate McCann say they believe their daughter is still alive.

May 3 - Madeleine has been missing for one year.

May 12 - Her fifth birthday.

July 1 - Portuguese police send final report on Madeleine's disappearance to public prosecutors, who will decide whether to take any further steps.

July 7 - British police agree to hand over evidence about Madeleine's disappearance to her parents, in a deal aimed at ending a legal bid to force them to disclose the information.

July 17 - Robert Murat, British suspect in Madeleine's disappearance, wins 600,000 pounds in libel damages from 10 British newspapers for "the utter destruction" of his life. Murat was questioned by Portuguese police and declared a formal suspect, but was never charged and denied any involvement.
Een tijdslijn, sure, what happened to:
-Scent of death.
-DNA bewijs.
-Maddy alert gedoe.
-Uitspraken van Metodo3 over dat ze met kerst thuis zou zijn.
-Beschuldigingen van de vriendin van Murat.
-Het dierencrematorium.
-Maddy fund.
quote:
"Maddie Case will be archived next Monday


Reminder....

Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

The process relative to Madeleine McCann disappearance will be available for consultation to the lawyers from next week. The secrecy of justice was not extended and the Public Ministry is getting ready to conclude the final report.

Source: Correio da Manhã
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Portugal's law chief says he will announce a 'solution' next week to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Attorney-general Fernando Pinto Monteiro's words raised the prospect of Kate and Gerry McCann finding out if they will be formally cleared of involvement in their daughter's disappearance.

Although Mr Pinto Monteiro failed to elaborate on what he meant, his comments reinforce speculation the 14-month investigation is finally drawing to a close.

Speaking to Portuguese reporters in Lisbon, Mr Pinto Monteiro said: 'The "Maddie Case" will have a solution on Monday and you will hear of it.'

Prosecutors have been reviewing the final investigation report on Madeleine's disappearance and it would appear Mr Pinto Monteiro will be making his decision early next week, based on their recommendations.

Reports suggested he would announce whether the case would be closed, charges would be brought or the police would be asked to undertake further inquiries.

Madeleine disappeared on May 3 last year, nine days before her fourth birthday.

The McCanns left her, and her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, alone in the flat while they dined with holiday companions at a tapas restaurant 50 yards across their holiday complex in Praia Da Luz.

Madeleine's parents, both doctors from Rothley in Leicestershire, were subsequently designated by Portuguese police as official suspects.

When the case is wrapped up the couple, who have denied any wrongdoing, could be cleared.

However according to reports in a Portuguese tabloid, the Correio da Manha, they could face neglect charges.

The paper said although the 50-page final police report on the case concludes there is no evidence the couple were involved in the disappearance of their daughter, it leaves open the possibility that the McCanns could be charged with abandoning Madeleine and the twins, then aged two.

The charge of abandonment carries a maximum ten-year jail sentence in Portugal, but only if prosecutors can prove the McCanns, both 40, intended to neglect Madeleine.

Ex-pat Robert Murat was the only other individual made an official suspect by Portuguese police. He also has denied any wrongdoing and, if the case concludes, will find out if he will be cleared or face further investigation.

The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the family had not been contacted by the Portuguese authorities.

"We've heard nothing official and our lawyers have heard nothing official," he said.

"It may well be true, but we can't comment because we haven't heard. We're not going to prejudice anything."

He earlier made it clear the family would 'vigorously' defend any neglect charges.

Last week a High Court Judge made an astonishing appeal for Madeleine's abductor to 'show mercy and come forward'.

Speaking as she ordered Lancashire Police to hand over details of 81 potential witnesses to the disappearance, Mrs Justice Hogg called for an end to Kate and Gerry McCann’s suffering and said she prayed Madeleine would be found alive soon.
Handige links:

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=Madeleine
http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/
http://the3arguidos.net/viewforum.php?f=1&st=0&sk=t&sd=d&start=0

De voorgaande topics in aflopende volgorde:
* Ouders van Madeleine McCann+Tapas 7 weigeren reconstructie..
* Maddy, nieuwe verhoren van de Tapas 7.
* Maddy, the plot thickens.
* Maddy, the brand new brandname.
* Maddy Mccan - Lekker snuiven met de Tapas 9
* Maddy McCann, de laatste loodjes?
* Maddy MacCann: Loose Change. (15)
* Maddy, the marketing machine and loose ends. (14)
* Maddie McCann: the search continues (13)
* Maddie McCann: Speculaties alom (11)
* Maddie McCann: Thinking the unthinkable (10)
* 'Maddie overleden door slaappillen' (9)
* Madeleine McCann & The Secret Diary (8)
* Madeleine McCann: bezorgde ouders of spin doctors? (7)
* Madeleine McCann: net rond ouders lijkt zich te sluiten (6)
* Madeleine McCann: harde bewijzen tegen ouders (5)
* Madeleine Mccann: Ouders zijn vertrokken uit portugal (4)
* Madeleine McCann: mogelijk binnenkort arrestaties? (3)
* Ouders van Maddie klagen Portugese krant aan (2)
* Verdwijning van Madeleine : Briton Robert Murat, is formal suspect
* Vermist meisje in Portugal is waarschijnlijk begraven.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 19-07-2008 14:37:04 ]
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Yes! Thnx Kahaarin!
Vervolg op het eerdere artikel , gelezen op het 3arguidoforum:
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PJ admitted a simulation of the scenario

Dubbelklik op de afbeelding ivm scherpte


The arrival of the dogs that detected cadaver odours and blood traces led the PJ to admit that some of the details where Maddie had been sleeping had been staged to sustain the abduction theory. One of the examples that were pointed out in one of the many reports that were written by the investigators was the fact that the soft toy was on the bed where Maddie slept, a bed that was partially undone. The animals detected odours on the child’s toy, but they did not mark her death on that spot. Which led the PJ to admit that Maddie had died in another area of the house, and then the toy was taken to the bed because it was the most likely spot in case of an abduction. Other details were analysed, like the fact that the furniture was too well positioned and the sofa was completely pushed against the wall.

Details

Investigated leads – The final report is clear. All the leads were investigated, the abduction theory was verified into detail. But the investigation’s main conclusions pointed towards the death of the child in the apartment, on the 3rd of May.

300 policemen were looking for Madeleine McCann during the first days. The PJ stresses that many among them spent several weeks sleeping only a few hours.

2000 diligences were made by the Judiciária during their search for Madeleine. International cooperation was requested on several moments, to exclude several cases of false sightings.

High costs – The PJ spared no costs throughout this investigation. Millions of euros were spent on the investigation into the disappearance, namely on the high payments that were made to the labs that collected the genetic profiles.

Suspicions – Dave’s involvement is considered again
Parents refused technical help

Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange

Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.

The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.

Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.

The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families.

Gonçalo Amaral’s book upsets the English

A delegation from the British justice left for London yesterday after having tried, in Portimão, to keep some details of the process under secrecy.

The English, who according to what CM was able to establish, are upset about possible revelations that the book from the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão may make, tried to request the instruction judge to maintain the secrecy on the forensics reports about the blood traces and cadaver odour that were collected from the apartment at the Ocean Club, but also other parts from the process.

As far as CM was able to establish, the pretentions from the English delegation were denied, except in the case of the identity of persons that have condemnations or a police record of paedophilia which reside in the Algarve or were spending holidays in the region when the facts took place.

The British that were in Portimão are policeman Stuart Prior, one of the senior liaison officers with the Portuguese police, a magistrate and a jurist from SOCA, the British agency that specializes in investigation organized crime.

It is not known whether the trip was made under a rogatory letter or politically negotiated between the governments of both countries.

“In defense of my good name”

The book by Gonçalo Amaral is written in defense of his honour. “I felt the need to reinstate my good name, which was publicly rubbished while the institution that I belonged to for 26 years, the Polícia Judiciária, didn’t allow me to defend myself, or did so institutionally”, Gonçalo Amaral states in a text that justifies the book. In order to carry out that defense, he requested permission from the national directory but never obtained it. The book, which will be presented by Marques Vidal, a former director of the Judiciária, is launched on the 24th of this month, during a session that is scheduled for El Corte Inglés, in Lisbon. source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
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[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Suko op 19-07-2008 14:46:29 (extra stukje toegevoegd) ]
  zaterdag 19 juli 2008 @ 14:57:24 #3
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Ik krijg als ik dit zo allemaal lees en vooral dan weer het nieuwe verhaal met betrekking tot David Payne heel sterk het gevoel dat er nog een enorme beerput aan ellende open moet komen. Je zou bijna zeggen dat alle indertijd aanwezige kinderen van de Tapas nagekeken zouden moeten worden op sporen van misbruik.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Nog een deeltje uit dezelfde bron:
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Loose notes:

Laboratory | Decisive test – The final report ended up being decisive for the foreseeable archiving of the process. In that document, which CM revealed, the possibility of DNA contamination was admitted.

Archived | AG announced – The day after tomorrow, the AG will release a communication that will most likely announce the archiving of the process. The case will remain pending in Portimão’s Public Ministry, waiting for better evidence.

Reconstitution | Stopped – The reconstitution of the evening of the disappearance was a diligence that was seen as essential in the process. It was stopped because some of the McCanns’ friends did not accept to return.

Wardrobe | Odour detected – The English dogs signaled traces of Maddie’s death behind the sofa and in the bedroom wardrobe. On the bed, the animals didn’t detect anything.

Contamination | Traces – The authorities have no doubts that the contamination of the location made the investigation more difficult. During the first few hours, tens of people entered the bedroom.

Removed | By phone – Gonçalo Amaral was the target of various attacks and was removed by Alípio Ribeiro, by phone, after making a statement to a newspaper.

Letter | Paedophile register – Yvone, in the letter that she sent to the English police, wanted the authorities to verify whether Dave had a register of paedophile activities.

source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
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Op zaterdag 19 juli 2008 14:57 schreef livelink het volgende:
Ik krijg als ik dit zo allemaal lees en vooral dan weer het nieuwe verhaal met betrekking tot David Payne heel sterk het gevoel dat er nog een enorme beerput aan ellende open moet komen. Je zou bijna zeggen dat alle indertijd aanwezige kinderen van de Tapas nagekeken zouden moeten worden op sporen van misbruik.
Ik moet alles nog goed lezen maar dat gevoel heb ik ook al een beetje....pffff.
  zaterdag 19 juli 2008 @ 15:46:10 #6
145755 kahaarin
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Op zaterdag 19 juli 2008 15:00 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik moet alles nog goed lezen maar dat gevoel heb ik ook al een beetje....pffff.
Dat zou wat zijn zeg, als hij er echt mee te maken zou hebben bedoel ik, hoe zou iemand dat in vredesnaam allemaal voor zich kunnen houden en zelfs de rechercheurs om de tuin kunnen leiden? Bovendien tegen zijn vrienden liegen en hen mee in de afgrond trekken.
Neemt niet weg dat Kate en Gerry gewoon een babysit hadden moeten inhuren.
Het past allemaal wel mooi in elkaar trouwens, mocht dit waar zijn, Payne had best de sleutels van de Scenic kunnen pakken en Maddy kunnen transporteren, hence die bodily fluids.......
be nice or go away
  zaterdag 19 juli 2008 @ 20:03:37 #7
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Ow gossie, overdrijven is ook een vak hoor.......
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The exodus to the sun starts this weekend - but since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, parents are feeling paranoid about the safety of their offspring. Foreigners think we are mad, reports Lucy Cavendish from Mallorca
You can always spot the English abroad. Not by the way they dress or their sunburnt skin but by how protective they are of their children.

"I feel I can't leave my children alone for a second," says Joanne Brown as she sits in a café next to the beach at Port de Soller in Mallorca. "It's a nightmare. I've always been conscious of where my children are on holiday, but now I feel much more aware of them. If I shut my eyes for a moment, I feel terrified that they won't be there when I open them.

"We did a lot of research before we came here," Joanne continues. "There is a kids' club in the hotel complex and all the staff are English and have been vetted, so we have used it a bit for our seven-year-old, Emily. But we don't use a babysitter at night. We take the children with us. It's an easy place to do that."

Indeed, Port de Soller seems the perfect place for a family holiday. It is small, sweet, pretty, manageable. There are boats bobbing in the harbour, sun-kissed children playing in the sea. There are lifeguards on the beach. A police car drives up and down the cobbled street. There is a tram that goes along the sea front to the town. There aren't many cars.

But ever since last May, when three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared from her bedroom in Praia da Luz, Portugal, there is an almost tangible parental fear that underlies family holidays: that someone will take our children and we will never see them again.

Post-Maddie, holidaying abroad has become a minefield. The parameters have shifted. Where once parents might have left children in a play area/on the beach/in a café while they quickly whipped off to go to the loo/order a meal/get some drinks, now we dare not. We reappraise all the time, scan people's faces on beaches, by the swimming pool, in the play area. We are constantly asking ourselves: who is safe? What is safe? Are kids' clubs fine? Are the staff vetted properly?

But is this paranoia universal to all parents or peculiar to the British?

In Port de Soller, the only naked children on the beach are Dutch. The ones in the sea that are not wearing arm bands and float costumes are Italian and Norwegian. They splash around while their parents chat away up on the beach. When I ask a Norwegian couple, Kai Henriksen and Kari-Mette Brunvatne, whether they feel affected by the Maddie case, they both shrug their shoulders and tell me that they believe it could have happened anywhere.

"It hasn't made us change our attitudes," they say, smiling at their children, Michael and Felix, 10 and eight, who are running around everywhere. "We give them the freedom we think they need. We use a babysitter when we go out." Do they have the babysitter checked? They both look at me as if I am mad.

All the British couples I speak to feel differently. One woman tells me how she could never have left her children alone and how shocked she is by people who do. Other mothers clamp their hands over their children's ears at the mere mention of Maddie.

Isobel van der Vegt, an attractive and obviously intelligent mother of two, lives in Twickenham with Focco, her Dutch husband. Their daughter Maria is four, their son Justin is two. "I don't want Maria to hear this," Isobel says, asking Focco to take her to the swings. "She saw the news last year when Maddie went missing and they showed the video of her in that Snow White dress. My daughter has the same dress. It feels too close for comfort, really."

Yet Isobel also believes she would like to give her children more freedom. "It's a difficult one. I would never leave my children alone at night. Never. I could not bear the thought of them screaming and me not being there, but I also would like Maria to have more freedom during the day. I would like her to be able to play on the swings and in the sea without me or my husband hovering over her. Yet I am very reluctant to leave my children alone and it makes holidaying pretty hard. If I want to buy a drink from a café, we all have to go together."

But surely holidays are supposed to be relaxing? Draen Millar and her husband, Jonathan, seem pretty relaxed. They are larking around on the beach with their four children: Louis, seven, Eva, six, John Joe, four, and one‑year-old Alice. Draen and Jonathan have holidayed in Mallorca for the past five years.

"We started coming here when Louis was small. We've never actually left our children alone, but I have friends who've been on a Mark Warner holiday and they say it feels like another world. They've left their kids at night. They say it felt so safe."
http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)haunted-by-fear.html
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Ha ha, dat wilde ik ook net posten ivm het volgende: En misschien stond er iets in die onlangs vrijgegeven documenten wat bewust door het team McCann naar buiten is gelekt, tenslotte stonden daarin een aantal getuigenverklaringen en wijzen mogelijk enkele naar David Payne, of gewoon feiten over hem. Het zou de McCanns nu verdomd goed uitkomen. Ook al vanwege de pedo-kwestie in het algemeen, het Amber Alert. Spreading de fear ook, want er staat héél toevallig een lang artikel in de telgraph: "Madeleine McCann abduction leaves family holidays haunted by fear."

Kijk, het hoeft natuurlijk niet zo te zijn dat David Payne nú verantwoordelijk is voor wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd. Wat ik eerder schreef: "Zou dat The Pact Of Silence zijn geweest? Hij weet iets over de McCanns wat er mogelijk heeft plaatsgevonden, de McCanns weten iets over zijn verleden. Was deze informatie misschien ook onderdeel van die 81 documenten die de McCanns hebben gekregen via het gerechtshof? Ik weet het niet. Kan een enorme spin zijn, een gemeen 'lekje' van het team McCann om het komende nieuws van maandag te overschaduwen, dat hebben ze wel meer geflikt. Slecht nieuws 'verstoppen' met 'nieuws' wat de McCanns even in de luwte houdt. Kan ook een stukje uit het boek van Amaral zijn...Als het allemaal niet waar blijkt dan kan de krant een aanklacht tegemoet zien van de Payne-tjes wegen smaad/laster. Ook het 3arguidoforum moet oppassen. Bespreking van dit nieuws gaat soms erg ver. Iemand suggereerde Murat (die nu een PR-agency heeft ingeschakeld) als bron voor dit nieuws, tenslotte heeft Fiona Payne en twee andere Tapas-vrienden hem aangewezen als verdachte getuige."

Mogelijk hebben de McCanns het altijd al geweten van Payne, tenslotte zijn ze al jaren met die soms wisselende groep op vakantie, ook zoiets vreemds. Een keertje oké, ook soms met familie, maar dit is opvallend, iemand schreef: "2005 a group of doctors go on vacation together to Mallorca. 2006 a group of doctors go on vacation together to Greece. 2007 a group of doctors go on vacation together to Portugal. Slightly different group each time, but always doctors and their families. I wonder if the same person organised all 3 trips?"

Maar het is helemaal onbegrijpelijk dat als de McCanns de achtergrond wisten (if true) dat ze toch hem kennelijk vertrouwde, want wat werd er in de geautoriseerde docu van de BBC > transscript gezegd, op 3 mei: "At 6.30 Gerry McCann asks a friend, David Payne, to pop in on Kate to see if the children are coming down. He goes to the flat, he says all is well, but the children are too tired and are already in their pyjamas.At 7, lesson over, Gerry McCann goes back to the apartment." Weird... Overigens stond er in The Times, ook geautoriseerd, over David Payne niks, sterker nog: "Gerry had knocked up at the start of the 4.30pm tennis-drills session, but had decided not to exacerbate an injury to his Achilles tendon, so had dropped out and waited around by the courts until the children came back from the kids’ clubs at 5pm for tea. That had been one of the most enjoyable times of the holiday, all the children together for tea, then the adults playing with them afterwards."

En in de CdM van vandaag: "The same report exposes other contradictions in the English’s depositions. Kate and Gerry say that they picked up their children from the crèche at 5.30 p.m., but while the former guarantees that they went for a half-hour run on the beach and only then returned to the apartment, her husband states that they went to play tennis during that period."

Maar voor mij is wel duidelijk: they have everything to hide, including Clarence Mitchell...

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En waarom moet een lijst van namen qua indentiteiten van Britse pedofielen in de Algarve geheim blijven???? Zou daar misschein Payne op staan en mogelijk nog meer 'bekenden' ? Paulo Rebelo komt er in dit artikel trouwens ook niet best vanaf... Gelezen op het 3arfuidoforum
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British don't want the disclosure of the identities of referenced for pedophilia, in the Algarve

The British police wishes to maintain confidential the names from a list of British citizens referenced for having pedophile practices, residing in the Algarve, that were identified during the Maddie’s case investigation. This list is part of the disappearing process of Madeleine Mccann whose archiving will be announced next Monday.

The maintenance of this list under confidentiality is one of the pretensions of the English police, under the argument that the divulgation of the identities of those individuals would be an intrusion in the domain of the private life.

Monday the General Attorney’s Office is going to release the final dispatch from the Public Ministry that decides on the archiving of Maddie’s case, for lack of evidence to sustain any accusation. With this dispatch, Kate and Gerry McCann (Madeleine’s parents), as well as the British citizen Robert Murat, will cease being arguidos.

The fact that the process may be archived, does not obviates that it may be re-open in the future. However, that would occur only if appear new elements of proof that invalidate the fundaments invoked by the Public Ministry, as it is established by the Penal Process Code, artº 279º.

The decision to archive may be appealed. Only when that timing is extinguished, will the process be open to the public.

[by] Amaral in book

Many details of the investigation may, however, become known before, through the reading of a book written by the inspector of Policia Judiciária (PJ) that leaded the investigation, Gonçalo Amaral, and that will be launched, next 24th in Lisbon.

At least, that is what the author promises, who ended up by being removed from the investigation, in the sequence of declarations considered offensive to the English police.

With the opening of the process, it will be possible to clear the doubts, to know what diligences were made, what was the level of the English police participation in the investigation and to know the real motives that took the police and Public Ministry to constitute Murat and the McCann couple, arguidos. It will be also possible to detect the incoherence’s and contradictions in the investigation, as well as the falsities that were divulged publicly.

There is also interrogations about the destiny of Paulo Rebelo, the coordinating inspector that replaced Gonçalo Amaral in Maddie’s case investigation, and on whom were put so many hopes of success.

Paulo Rebelo was installed in Portimão and surrounded himself with the best investigators of the PJ from all the areas. The effort was fruitless. Rebelo was unable to repair some errors committed on the initial phases of the investigation. He was also unable to advance for new leads.

With the conclusion of the case, Rebelo hopes that the PJ Directory decides quickly to substitute him in the direction of the department, in order to put him again, in Lisbon, in a place compatible with his curriculum.

by: Paula Torres de Carvalho (the journalist that also wrote " PJ admits hastiness in Madeleine McCann Case" - http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1318465&idCanal=62
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De snuffelhonden... Joana Morais by astro
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English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã

TracesFinding the trail of a death changed the direction of the investigation



English defended the use of the dogs

An exhaustive report explains the possible scenarios to hide a body and defends the animals’ reliability

Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver odours and blood traces. The discovery of the residues and the signaling of the trail of a cadaver thus ended up formally changing the direction of an investigation that had been limited to the theory of abduction until then.

The report, which praises the Portuguese authorities’ work, suggested that the animals should be taken to all the locations where the body might have been hidden. From the apartment that had been rented by the McCanns up to the crèche, through the beach and the church area.



Mark Harrison explained that it was necessary to analyse the scenarios of Madeleine having been killed that night and her body abandoned by a person on foot or by car. The expert added that despite of the high costs of that search, it should be carried out in order to clarify the case.

Dogs are reliable

In the report, Mark Harrison says that it us very unlikely that the body was buried in the sand. The English policeman defends that a launch into the sea is the most likely scenario, while the body should also be searched for within an area of cliffs and dense bushes that lies east of Praia da Luz.

The two English dogs were presented as an indispensable help to the investigation, after their abilities and the manner in which they are trained were explained in detail, as well as the fact that they both react to blood traces and cadaver odours, without a single episode of “false positives” in the investigations.

In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie’s death, then it would be a fact.

Details

High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high costs of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signaled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.

Kate refused to answer the PJ

Kate refused to answer tens of questions from the Polícia Judiciária. After the first day of questioning, when she appeared in the company of her lawyer but was heard as a witness, Kate changed her stance. Being made an arguida and the fact that the authorities assumed that they admitted her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, led her to adopt a different attitude.

She refused to reply, for example, why she left the twins behind in the bedroom in order to call her husband and friends at the restaurant, after finding out that Maddie had disappeared.



She also failed to explain why she had not searched for her daughter in the first moments, sitting on the bed almost without moving, and she offered no explanation for the fact that the preliminary test results from the English lab detected traces in the car boot and behind the sofa, traces whose DNA resembled Maddie’s.

Other details from her personal and professional life remained unanswered. Kate refused, for example, to explain whether or not it was true that before the holidays she had admitted she had a bad premonition. Whether or not she had ever complained that the twins were very restless or had ever admitted to deliver the guard of Maddie to a relative.

Kate also remained expressionless when she was confronted with the possibility that she had quit working because she could not handle the pressure of raising he three small children.

She did not explain how the cadaver odour was found on her clothes and on the soft toy that was normally used by Maddie, or why the dogs marked the death inside the apartment.

Kate also chose not to clarify who had called Sky News, nor did she reveal whom she had called in the moments that immediately followed the disappearance.

In her deposition, Kate was also confronted with the fact that her refusal to make a statement might hinder the discovery of her daughter’s whereabouts. Nevertheless, she kept her silence.

Mother’s DNA on the window

The window had been forced open and the abductor had taken the child through it. That was the first possibility that was advanced by Kate to the authorities that collected residues on location. But the tests that were done at the IML [Portuguese forensics institute] ended up isolating just one DNA which did not belong to the child but rather to Kate. To the PJ, it is also practically impossible for anyone to carry the child out of that window, which does not even open completely.



Gerry accepted to speak to the police

On the day that he was made an arguido, Gerry accepted to answer all of the Judiciária’s questions.

Doubts about surveillance on the children

The PJ found contradictions in the friends’ testimonies concerning the manner in which the children were watched over.

Denied the use of sedatives on the children

Kate and Gerry have always denied to the PJ that they medicated the children or used any sedative to make them sleep. Maddie’s parents thus stated that their children went to bed early simply because they were used to that, and it was not even usual for them to wake in the middle of the night. CM knows that months after Maddie disappeared, Kate suggested to the Judiciária that the twins should be tested in order to find out whether they had been sedated that night. Something that the investigators found strange, given the fact that being doctors, they both knew that any residue would have disappeared by then. This was considered to be another indicator that Kate and Gerry were not telling the whole truth about what happened on the 3rd of May, hiding what had happened to the child.

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Recorded | PJ taped action – The dogs’ search was recorded by the Polícia Judiciária. The handler also wrote an extensive report that translated the signs that had been detected by the animals during their search for traces.

TIR | English address – Kate stated her identity and her residence and gave her English address. Therefore, the return home was not considered to be an escape from justice.

Return | Postponed promise – When they returned home, the McCanns promised to return if it was necessary to make a statement. The reconstitution was requested, but the friends boycotted it. source: Correio da Manhã 20.07.2008, paper edition
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Normaal gesproken hou ik niet zo van dat emotionele gepreek, maar deze post past wel in deze dagen...nu mogelijk de McCanns er vanaf komen, wegens gebrek aan bewijs, wegens het niet meewerken aan het onderzoek, met hulp van mensen die er kennelijk belang bij hebben...etc etc etc...Een poster op het 3atguidoforum mag voor mij wel even...
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Anyone Remember this Little Girl?

The Mccanns, Clarence Mitchell, Branson, Kennedy, Metodo 3, the Tapas 7, 8, or 9 should hang your heads in shame, you a the biggest bunch of spineless, arrogant, smug individuals that I have ever had to endure on the Tv and Media.

You have spent the last 14 months spewing your bile and contradictions to the entire world. Something happened on that night, the whole world knows that something happened, and not just that poor girls our disappearence.

Your are cool and calculated, you have shown and unbelievable lack of emotion. The silence of the Tapas Mooks is deafening, again, cool and calculating.

And today........... the news about Payne. I actually hope that this is not true, if it is, god help him. The story has overtaken what the ***k this case is all about, that little girl. But then the leak of Payne, I wonder, I just wonder where it came from.

My mother hit the nail on the head today. She said, in all her 74 years, in all the child abductions, she has seen on TV and in the Press, she said, ''the one thing that the parents do, is smell the clothes, the sheets, the toys of the missing girl or boy'' THEY DONT ****ING WASH THEM STRAIGHT AWAY. Now that is bizarre. Bizzare or Deliberate. Deliberate in my book.

They dont leave their children alone for 5 nights running, and then blame the British Public, because, 'everyone does it on Holiday' ..........its 'what you do'.............. You arrogant Bas*****. Dont try putting your Guilt that night, on the shoulders of the British or any other Nation.

Forget the DNA, forget the Police Files, forget your Holidays to Canada, forget Payne and his mates, what you have done over the last 14 months is try to offload your guilt that night, onto anyone that would listen. Anyone that would donate, put a poster up.

And finally to the little girl, who, through no fault of her own, has more than likely lost her life, due to your Neglect. Your Neglect, that regardless of the outcome on Monday, will stick with you and your cronies for the rest of your lives, you sad, sad apologies for something human.

Whether you like it or not, you are now the worlds biggest child neglectors. That is without question.

When you go to bed at night, just as you are dropping off to sleep, remember there is a child out there, that just wants to be cuddled and wrapped up warm...................and through no fault of her own, finds herself on the other side, lonely, sad and frustrated that her parents would rather fly to America, go to Canada, jogging, playing golf, walks in the park, than leave no stone unturned in the quest for her return, and all for the sake of the twins. Always for the sake of the twins.

Leaving no stone unturned. **** off. Liars the lot of you.

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  zondag 20 juli 2008 @ 13:47:32 #12
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Inderdaad Suko, het hele geval doet een beetje luguber aan zo langzamerhand, een thriller auteur had het rare gedrag van de betrokkenen niet beter kunnen verzinnen, helaas is dit geen fictie maar feit.

Dat hele circus, al die verdachtmakingen, sightings en plottwisten doen een beetje geregisseerd aan, nu is het afwachten of er boven water komt wie er aan de touwtjes trekt.

Maar er blijft in mijn achterhoofd rondspoken, dat heb ik geloof ik al bijna vanaf het begin gezegd, dat de Tapas9 meer lijken in de kast hebben zitten, niet letterlijk, maar alles wegstrepend kun je bijna niet anders concluderen dan dat die 9 meer weten, niets zeggen en zelfs de ouders van Maddy houden zich stil.....
Wat kan er in vredesnaam zo erg zijn dat je zelfs niet de waarheid spreekt bij de verdwijning van je kind?
Het rondje Anorak van vandaag sluit hier ook mooi bij aan:
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Our Madeleine McCann: Colin Stagg, Mad Dogs And Lucy Cavendish, And Amaral’s True Lies
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann



SUNDAY PEOPLE: “We’ll savage bungling cops on Oprah [Winfrey] show - CLEARED McCANNS VOW TV ONSLAUGHT”

Cleared?

“At noon tomorrow a judge will formally lift the cloud of suspicion.”

Is that a fact?

The couple are likely to focus their fury on top cop Goncalo Amaral, who was kicked off the Madeleine case last October following allegations of incompetence and attacks on his British police counterparts.

“I’LL NEVER HAVE MY LIFE BACK – MURAT” - ‘I don’t know if I will ever be able to shake off the stigma of being ‘that Maddie man‘.”

“People say there is no smoke without fire and there may always be some who still doubt me. I have to live with that for the rest of my life.”

Let’s play a game of word association: Colin Stagg.

He’s the one set up by those bungling UK cops. Colin Stagg was accused of murdering Rachel Nickell on Wimbledon Common. Colin Stagg is innocent.

There being no forensic evidence, they were forced to look for likely suspects, and in Colin Stagg they found a man who ideally suited the tabloid agenda. He was runtish and rat-like, and yet also into body-building. He lived on his own. He was given to wearing dodgy-looking singlets and he was a devotee of the ancient pagan religion called Wicca. He had a picture of the Cerne Abbas giant inscribed on a black-painted wall in his flat.

Someone said that they had seen him, or a man very like him, on the common on the morning of the murder - and that was enough.

SCOTLAND ON SUNDAY: “After 445 days of missing Maddie, cloud of suspicion over parents lifts”

Tomorrow Kate and Gerry McCann hope the suspicion that they played a role in her disappearance from a Portuguese beach resort will finally – and officially – be lifted.

Hope? But in The People it’s a fact?

The Portuguese authorities are believed to be ready to remove the official arguido – suspect – status from the couple and clear them of any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance from Praia de Luz in May last year.

Believed.

SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann abduction leaves family holidays haunted by fear”

The exodus to the sun starts this weekend - but since the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, parents are feeling paranoid about the safety of their offspring. Foreigners think we are mad, reports Lucy Cavendish from Mallorca

Mad pervs and Englishmen…

Says Lucy Cavendish:

You can always spot the English abroad. Not by the way they dress or their sunburnt skin but by how protective they are of their children.

Always!

“I feel I can’t leave my children alone for a second,” says Joanne Brown as she sits in a café next to the beach at Port de Soller in Mallorca. “It’s a nightmare. I’ve always been conscious of where my children are on holiday, but now I feel much more aware of them. If I shut my eyes for a moment, I feel terrified that they won’t be there when I open them.

Abracadabra. Fish ‘n’ chips. Poof!

But ever since last May, when three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared from her bedroom in Praia da Luz, Portugal, there is an almost tangible parental fear that underlies family holidays: that someone will take our children and we will never see them again.

Matchsticks in the eyes. Don’t dare to look away.

Post-Maddie, holidaying abroad has become a minefield. The parameters have shifted. Where once parents might have left children in a play area/on the beach/in a café while they quickly whipped off to go to the loo/order a meal/get some drinks, now we dare not. We reappraise all the time, scan people’s faces on beaches, by the swimming pool, in the play area. We are constantly asking ourselves: who is safe? What is safe? Are kids’ clubs fine? Are the staff vetted properly?

Anorak advocates the CoZee Reins – modelled on the penal system of Alabama, these handy chains with optional heavy ball attachment ensure the kidz are kept within shouting distance.

Tell Armani to “come ‘ere or I‘m, gonna kill yer”, and see her find no way of escape”.

On holiday with the Lucy Cavendishes:

One night, my 11-year-old son asked if he and his brothers, aged five and three, could sleep in this separate room. “Of course!” I replied.

Later on, when they were asleep, I got myself into a terrible panic. My eldest son had said he didn’t want to lock the door in case any of them needed to go to the loo in the night. This seemed to make sense.

At 2am, I woke up in a hot sweat. I imagined nameless, faceless marauders creeping up from the beach, slipping into the place and making off with one of them.

I woke my husband up. “The boys are ALONE!” I screamed. “It’s not going to happen here,” he said, immediately knowing what I was referring to. “This is Devon.”

But, as every parent now knows, it doesn’t matter if it’s Devon or Praia da Luz. Everyone is afraid of the stranger, the person out there who, in our minds, wants to steal and harm our children.

Was that her husband screaming?

THE GUARDIAN: “Madeleine police chief to launch ‘explosive’ book”

Gonçalo Amaral, who was chief of the criminal investigation police for the Algarve region, has scheduled a news conference in Lisbon on Thursday to launch the book, just three days after the widely expected announcement tomorrow that the case is being shelved by prosecutors for lack of evidence.

In the book, provisionally entitled True Lies, Amaral is also likely to reopen his assault on the role of the British police in the investigation. He has publicly suggested that they were influenced throughout by the leads which Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, wanted pursued.

He is said to be convinced that Madeleine is dead, while the McCanns have continued to press investigators to follow the trail of potential kidnappers and ensure their daughter’s safe return.

THE SUNDAY TIMES: “Murder most modern- Kate Summerscale’s prize-winning account of an 1860 killing shows how little we’ve changed”

Ed Caesar looks at the 1860 murder of Saville Kent in The Suspicions of Mr Whicher.
What is most striking about her account (and this, perhaps, is what won the judges’ favour) is that it echoes contemporary culture. The huge interest in, and continual theorising about, the disappearance of an infant; the castigation of detectives for their incompetence; the swings of compassion towards or against suspects — all mirror the case of our own missing child, Madeleine McCann.

Our Maddie.

SUNDAY HERALD: “Courts make editors think hard before delving into private lives - Judiciary increasingly taking the view that public interest must be stronger than potential harm”

Although Madeleine McCann “aguido” Robert Murat’s £600,000 payout last week from 11 newspapers after successfully suing for the separate offence of defamation, editors are being forcefully reminded to think longer and harder about what stories papers can and should run.

Indeed. A current story in Correio da Manha has not repeated in the UK press about the case.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/186005.html

Ik heb de commentaren van de journalist schuingezet, het leest nu wat makkelijker, vooral die link tussen Murat en Stagg vind ik interessant, het maakt blijkbaar niet zoveel uit of ze de echte dader hebben, een zwart schaap in de kudde die ze kunnen beschuldigen is genoeg, de dader is geidentificeerd en het leven kan gewoon doorgaan.
Ik heb het idee dat dit tov Murat is mislukt en dat die paranoia van nu komt omdat er geen 'dader' is gevonden en men dit dus gevoelsmatig niet heeft kunnen afsluiten. (Just my 2 cents. )
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Tja Kahaarin, het is eigenlijk idd vanaf het begin klontje klaar dat niemand echt wat wilde zeggen (Russel zei vorig jaar aan de deur tegen een Sun-reporter dat Gerry McCann de woordvoerder is en gooide daarop de deur dicht) en niemand echt wil meewerken ondanks dat iedereen dag in dag uit via de media liet weten graag de PJ ten dienste wil zijn. Robert Murat kende iedereen wel en was daarom een makkelijk slachtoffer, who cares...Dát is ook voornamelijk wat het publiek stoort, die houding van iedereen, niet Madeleine op nummer één zetten, en dat heeft niets te maken met de secrecy. Waarom mocht Jane Tanner dan uitgebreid vertellen hoe die avond volgens haar is verlopen inclusief dat Bundleman+verhaal, in die BBC-docu in november? Die zus en andere familieleden die later een woordenbrij van kritiek hadden, met details, over de eerste dagen na de vermissing terwijl ze eerst nog zo lovend waren? Die kliek-McCann heeft op een schandalige manier misbruik gemaakt van de secrecy omdat de Portugesen niets tegen die smear en slur konden doen. Bovendien is men vergeten dat in september die secrecy-wetten werden versoepeld, maar met elk beetje pijnlijke vraag sloten de anders zo kwebbelende bekjes, dat ze niks mochten zeggen, liars! Nu blijkt wel hoeveel de PJ heeft gedaan en wat er allemaal aan tegenwerking is geweest en ook wát er allemaal niet is meegenomen in de eindfase, zo blijkt uit dit artikel op de site van Joana Morais, zie ook het 3arguidoforum
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Evidence of death convinces the PJ but fails in court - Diário de Notícias

Tests. On the day before the likely announcement by the Attorney General of the archiving of the Maddie case, DN knows from sources that are close to the process that the analyses from hair that was found in the McCanns’ car revealed that 16 out of 18 markers match the child’s genetic information

Judge mistrusts evidence used in an isolated manner

Tests that were performed on hair that was collected from the boot of the car that was rented by the McCanns in the Algarve have determined that 16 out of 18 markers match Madeleine’s genetic information. The information, which was released to DN by a source from the PJ, joins the results in the preliminary report from the Birmingham lab, in England, where it is verified that “15 out of the 19 genetic markers that were found in a residue that was collected from the couple’s car boot are a match” with the child.

“The evidence is unequivocal for the investigators”, the PJ source guarantees. “We are talking about a tuft of hair that was found in the spare tire well, in the car boot, which could not have fallen from the siblings’ clothes or have ended up on that spot by other means. The issue is that in order to make a solid proof in court, one has to reach 18 markers. But with 16, the investigators have no doubts left”, the policeman recognizes.

But for a judge that was contacted by DN, there is no reason for such certainties. “It depends on which markers are missing and if I had to decide only with a basis on that element of proof, I would not take a case to court, because the chances for success would be very small. This type of evidence always has to be articulated with other elements.”

Another source that is well positioned near the process, and with forensics knowledge, sustains the PJ agent’s version by defending that “these tests are like the collection of fingerprints, where a piece of evidence in court needs to detect 13 points, but from 11 onwards the police is already certain”.

For DN’s source, the conclusions from the tests that were performed on the hair that was found inside the Renault Scénic that was used by the McCanns were not included in the PJ’s final report merely because “if the evidence was not going to be used in court, the police did not want the Public Ministry to say that there is a persecution of the child’s parents”.

Although he mistrusts this isolated type of evidence, the judge that was heard by DN argues that there is matter to take the parents of Maddie McCann to court. “They could be judged over the crime of endangering a minor, because leaving their daughter alone inside a hotel room while they go to dinner is not acceptable within the social patterns, and over obstruction of justice. It is better to remember that the child’s parents called the televisions before they called the police.”
Source: Diário de Notícias, 20.07.2008
Maar goed, uit alles blijkft wel dat men het op neglect gooit en dat valt dus lasig te bewijzen gezien de tegenwerking van betrokkenen en IMO de Leicester Police én hun bazen. Vermoedens bestaan dat niet alle documenten (bv de volledige eerste DNA-results) in het bezit zijn van de PJ, of op z'n minst iets 'gewijzigd,' Het stinkt aan alle kanten.

Overigens meldt iemand op het 3arguidoforum: "Generally, English law only extends as far as the borders of the country, but in the case of murder or manslaughter a British subject may be charged and tried here irrespective of where the offence is committed." Afijn, zal mij benieuwen morgen, wát dit gaat betekenen: 'A solution'....

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Op zondag 20 juli 2008 13:47 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ik heb de commentaren van de journalist schuingezet, het leest nu wat makkelijker, vooral die link tussen Murat en Stagg vind ik interessant, het maakt blijkbaar niet zoveel uit of ze de echte dader hebben, een zwart schaap in de kudde die ze kunnen beschuldigen is genoeg, de dader is geidentificeerd en het leven kan gewoon doorgaan.
Ik heb het idee dat dit tov Murat is mislukt en dat die paranoia van nu komt omdat er geen 'dader' is gevonden en men dit dus gevoelsmatig niet heeft kunnen afsluiten. (Just my 2 cents. )
Nee idd, nu Murat is gecleared, het zal iedereen blijvend achtervolgen, maakt niet uit wat morgen die Solution inhoudt. Doet me er weer aan denken hoe een ouder van een vermist kind (en de wereld laat geloven dat Madeleine in handen is van één of meerdere pedo's) dit uit de bek krijgt, Kate McCann in een interview met Woman's Own magazine: "I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth." The Mirror 13 aug 2007. Ongelofelijk...

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En daar is Spudgun weer eens online en hóe, de maker van dit inmiddels overbekende filmpje wat nog steeds actueel is, scherp en IMO precies vertellend wát er vooral mis is met de verslaggeving in de UK en de smerige campagne tegen Portugal, eerder ook in dit verhaal van hem "A Story For Christmas..." Het is wederom een hele zit maar in IMO zeer waard, in afwaching wat er morgen en daarna in de pers zal verschijnen, indien de uitslag niet datgene is wat recht doet aan deze onverkwikkelijke kwestie:
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Dear Mr. Editor………

I’m quite sure that you are very busy, organising your hacks and other staff, clearing away space on the front pages of your newspapers to make way for tomorrows joyous headlines, not to mention the inevitable ‘’pull out and keep’’ 10 page insert guide, explaining the tragic chain of events that have had to be endured by Saint Gerry & Kate of Rothwell.

“Bungling/Boozy/Inept/ Sardine Munching Porto Plods finally admit defeat!!”, “The agony goes on for our Kate & Gerry” and “Vindicated at last!!”,

Just some, I am CERTAIN, of the headlines that we will all be reading about in the next couple of days. Readers will then be subjected to innumerable column inches over the coming weeks, with poignant articles from Richard Madely, Amanda Pearson, Carol Malone et al, explaining how they had all ‘been there’ for our illustrious golden couple, supporting them in their hour of need, joining forces to combat and admonish those ‘vile evil whisperings’ that were emanating along the corridors of certain internet forums and blogs.

No doubt, celebs’ agents are already in negotiation with tabloid editors, all lining up to prepare their clients to express their solidarity by way of ‘exclusive interviews’; “as a parent myself, I can’t imagine what hell they have had to go through………by the way, my new book, which is out this Monday……………………….”

Who knows?. Almost certainly an OBE or two will be in the pipeline, especially if the McCanns are allowed to take credit for the European ‘AMBER ALERT’.

Clarence Mitchell will almost certainly be given greater impetus, either directly or otherwise, to organise the Government’s Media Monitoring Unit, to clamp down and to CLOSE down those websites and bloggers that influence sufficient numbers of people to be potentially detrimental to New Labours diktats, (as he did the MIRROR Forum).

Tony ‘Glenda’ Parsons, will undoubtedly have accrued sufficient soundbites to keep his Mirror column going for the next 2 years.

But, Mr. Editor, just before you fall asleep at night in your bed, having finished the proof reading to your simpering, sycophantic, subservient homage to Clarence Mitchell’s release, please give a little thought to the following:-

Irrespective of what the Portuguese announce on Monday, the 20th July, there are a number of serious issues and questions which, FAR from being answered, have actually never been ASKED.

It may very well please you and whoever is dictating your editorial policy to perpetually vilify and BLAME the Portuguese authorities, their police or even their subjects for every aspect of the Madeleine McCann tragedy, but that would not explain, in any way, the following:--

The suspicions surrounding the McCanns and their possible involvement in the disappearance of their daughter arose, NOT because the Policia Judiciaria were inept and clueless, but because the McCanns made inaccurate statements, from the outset. Inaccurate statements about their movements, the movements of their friends, inaccurate statements about the state and condition of how they found the apartment and the shutters, inaccurate statements about what they discovered and discussed.

We know that they made inaccurate statements because what they said directly contravened and countered what the other stated, as well as what some of their friends stated. And they can’t ALL have been correct. Inaccurate statements, Lies or omissions?

Likewise, it wasn’t the ‘bungling Porto plod’ who strongly suspected or suggested that Madeleine may have died in the apartment.

It was a couple of British dogs. Specialist canines, who have a LONG and proven history and success rate in determining and locating the precise areas of residual tissue and and materials relating to cadavers. Specialist dogs who are currently proving to be both CRUCIAL and instrumental in unraveling the ongoing horrors being unearthed at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey.

Not, I am sure, that you will give much credence or space to their findings in Portugal, but HOW would you propose to explain away their behaviour in Praia da Luz, in the apartment, on Kate McCanns clothes and belongings? Having a bad day? Inconclusive? The fact that it is not wholly admissible in a Court of Law?

And what about that car boot sample? The Birmingham FSS, the acknowledged, finest Forensic science laboratory in the world? Martin Brunt is STILL on the Sky News website video, reporting a “100% DNA Match to Madeleine McCann”. Was he misinformed? Contaminated sample? Mistaken Process? Total fabrication? We may never know, especially given that the British authorities are fighting to ensure that particular aspect of this case remains secret. (Have you ever asked yourself why?, Mr. Editor, or are you simply not permitted to question Mr. Mitchells rhetoric?)

Are you also, Mr.Editor, going to lambast those bungling, inept, incapable LEICESTERSHIRE police, who were also widely reported as concurring, and in some cases even SUGGESTING, that Madeleine died in the apartment on that first night in May?

“ Licentious, lacklustre, Leicester Police loonies!” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it, does it Mr.Editor?

Friends in high places? Curious RICH associates and backers, underhand Government assistance? Prime Ministerial blessings, chats and advice?. Papal divine intervention, European and world leaders hob-nobs?. It’s all there Mr. Editor. Enough material to sell a billion Sunday journals. So why no interest?

You see, Mr. Editor; I don’t really know what happened in Praia da Luz in May of last year. I don’t know why, how or when. I wasn’t there. Neither were you. We can only listen to those that are either close to, or aligned to, the proceeding in question.

It boils down to who and what you want to believe. I am reminded of Herman Goering. He once stated, “it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy” How right he was.

I realised just how right he was when George Bush convinced the majority of his people that Saddam Hussein had a hand in 9/11, just before he embarked on the massacre of an estimated 600,000 Iraqi men, women and children, just so that Halliburtons could procure the rich oil fields; (FAT lot of good THAT did with the current oil price, but I digress.)

What I particularly hate about that atrocity, is that the British went ahead and held his hand while he did it. Only at least Blair gave the British people SOME credit. He knew we wouldn’t buy the 9/11 angle, so he made up the WMD’s story, inventing documents, dossiers and ‘intelligence’ as he went along.

“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy”

Charles de Mendez? We would know for sure, exactly what happened to him, poor chap, were we to examine the countless surveillance video of the event. Except, for some reason, we can’t. Because the tape is apparently damaged or lost, or the cameras malfunctioned or were facing the wrong way or were broken or vandalised. Or all of the above.

And of course, when Neil Mackay sensationally reported in 2003 that “senior members” of the Labour Government were being investigated for “pedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography”, as part of the infamous ’Operation Ore’, Tony Blair very quickly and effectively served a DA NOTICE on the press and media, banning details of these matters being reported. A ban that still stands today. A sublime example of how a Government and its press can lie, mislead and fool its people.

“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy”
So, you see, Mr. Editor. You will have to forgive me if I choose not to believe a single word that your paper publishes on the Madeleine Mccann case.

You will have to excuse me if I do not join in the rejoicing and celebrations when the illustrious couple are exonerated , nor contribute to their inevitable NEW fund to help them “find their daughter”.

Because, although it may be ultimately true that there is insufficient evidence to prove the culpability of the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter, there is most definitely AMPLE and OVERWHELMING evidence that the authorities of this country do not wish for the truth to ever come out.

BUT; if there IS a god, and the leaders who presided over this debacle and cover up ever have to stand and atone before him, then rest assured that their minions:- the paltry, gutless, servile cowards who spread their lies and diktats in their respective newspapers, will have to atone also.

That’s YOU, Mr. Editor.

Perhaps you’d care to dwell on that point before you fall asleep tonight.

That, and the image of a precious, angelic and innocent little girl for whom, with your able assistance, Justice was denied

Godbless, Madeleine. Wherever you may be.
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  zondag 20 juli 2008 @ 23:01:59 #16
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En daar is Spudgun weer eens online en hóe, de maker van dit inmiddels overbekende filmpje wat nog steeds actueel is, scherp en IMO precies vertellend wát er vooral mis is met de verslaggeving in de UK en de smerige campagne tegen Portugal, eerder ook in dit verhaal van hem "A Story For Christmas..." Het is wederom een hele zit maar in IMO zeer waard, in afwaching wat er morgen en daarna in de pers zal verschijnen, indien de uitslag niet datgene is wat recht doet aan deze onverkwikkelijke kwestie:
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Here here... afbeelding

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That’s YOU, Mr. Editor.

Perhaps you’d care to dwell on that point before you fall asleep tonight.

That, and the image of a precious, angelic and innocent little girl for whom, with your able assistance, Justice was denied

Godbless, Madeleine. Wherever you may be.
Zo dan, amen, wat er ook gezegd en geschreven gaat worden dit staat voor mij als een paal boven water, dit hadden wij ook al opgemerkt maar bij gebrek aan talent om het zo neer te zetten vind ik dit het aanhalen meer dan waard.

Moge Maddy uiteindelijk de rust krijgen die ze verdient.
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Mogguh all. PGR statement released this afternoon
The Portuguese Public Prosecutor's Office (“Procuradoria Geral da República”) will release an official statement about the Madeleine McCann case today, at 4:00 pm. Bron

Paulo Reis schrijft verder op het 3arguidoforum: "As far as I know, there will be no Press Conference from the PGR, just a formal statement, usually posted at the site and sent by email to all Media. But most probable is news coming out earlier than that, because lawyers should be informed before the decision is made public. So, what I think may happen is that details about it can come out before 4:00 pm, as soon as one of the lawyers receives the information..."

En: "Statements from PGR are always short - just the most important points. The official document with the decision ("despacho") and the legal details in which the Prosecutors based that decision, can be a document with a good number of pages. So, I don't expect a quick reaction, because lawyers will need some time to analyse it."

En in dit topic, TODAYS OFFICIAL STATEMENT: "The Portuguese Public Prosecutor's Office will release an official statement about the Madeleine McCann case today, at 4:00 pm. For those who can understand a little bit of Portuguese or want to “google” a quick translation, this is the link where the statement will be posted, in the official web site of “Procuradoria-Geral da República” (Public Prosecutor's Office)"

Case Closed, shelved, archived, secrecy lifted, no proof she is dead, no proof she is abducted by a stranger, not enough DNA-evidence, never mind the dogs... etc etc etc... dat zijn zo ongeweer de topics hier en daar, afwachten lijkt me het beste...Team McCann is vast al op de hoogte...

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Ondertussen... Gelezen op het 3arguidogorum, vertaling Astro
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RogatoriesJudge didn’t validate the diary immediately

PJ wanted to hear the McCanns again

Today, the process is most likely to be archived. Ten months ago, the PJ asked for the reconstitution of the crime and a new questioning of the couple

Pinto Monteiro promised a solution for the Maddie case for today. The archiving of the process is most likely to be announced on the General Attorney’s Office’s website, after more than a year of an investigation that was made of breakthroughs and retreats.

The Judiciária lost some battles and diligences that were not carried out may have compromised the discovery of the truth. That is the understanding of Gonçalo Amaral, who launches the book ‘The Truth about the Lie’ next week, in which he promises to explain the reason why he believed in the child’s death and in the involvement of the parents in concealing the cadaver.

CM knows that Gonçalo Amaral was not alone in this fight. Only days after Kate and Gerry were questioned and after they returned to England, the PJ inspector who was in charge of the process defended that he wanted to hear the couple again and that they should be subject to a more serious coercion measure. He also requested the reconstitution of the facts.

In a dispatch that is dated September 19, Magalhães Menezes, a prosecutor of the Republic, manifested himself against it. He said it was an unnecessary diligence, because Kate had refused to answer and Gerry had clarified little or nothing.

Concerning the change in the coercion measures, he said there was no legal basis for any modification. The couple had given their English address when they were made arguidos, and remained available to be contacted at that residence.

Later on, when the PJ made the requests again, the magistrate ended up admitting to the new questioning. But he postponed the decision for a later moment in time, because he understood that hearing the friends and the numerous persons that the PJ had requested might raise new questions.

It should also be noted that the judge kept some reservations about the requests that were made by the Judiciária’s investigators. Concerning Kate’s diary, for example, the judicial magistrate argued that only later would it be possible to know whether it could be validated, because it revealed facts from Maddie’s mother’s private life.

Judge Pedro Frias refused the Public Ministry to access the text messages that were sent and received by Gerry McCann, alleging that the messages were telephone interceptions and that judicial authorizations could not be given after the occurrence.

Mysteries of the process

Investigating the friends – A strong suspicion, prompted by three testimonies, fell over one of the McCann couple’s friends. But that doctor returned to his country after the disappearance and he did not explain many of the questions for which the PJ had no answers. The Judiciária failed to understand his life story.

Reconstitution – Right after the interrogation of Kate and Gerry, the PJ requested the reconstitution of the facts. The English were asked to return to Portugal for the diligence to be carried out. Kate and Gerry ended up accepting, but the friends denied it. The Polícia Judiciária did not carry out the reconstitution and the archiving of the case, waiting for better evidence, renders the diligence useless.

Irishman not heard – An Irish citizen who stated he saw Gerry carrying a child on the evening of the 3rd of May should have been questioned again through a rogatory letter. But that was not fulfilled, and his deposition ended up not being obtained. What was known was that the witness made himself immediately available for a deposition.

Text message register – The PJ wanted to access the contents of the text messages that were sent and received by Gerry during the hours immediately before and after his daughter’s disappearance. The Public Ministry validated the request, but the judge did not defer the pretention, considering that it would be equal to listening operations. And that at that point in time, there was no judicial permission for them to be carried out.

Clinical records – The Public Ministry decided that the PJ should not access the clinical records of Madeleine and the twins Sean and Amélie. The prosecutor sustained that such would violate the privacy of the children and their parents, and the evidence might be considered null. For the magistrate, the request was not duly sustained, either.

To find out whether Dave saw Madeleine in the apartment

The last time that Maddie was seen by someone outside the group was at around 5.30 p.m. on the 3rd of May. After that, only David Payne asserts to have seen Maddie in the apartment, when he went there to exchange a few words with Kate. The PJ mistrusts that thesis and ends up having doubts about the time span of the disappearance. There are also contradictions about the time that Dave spent inside the apartment. Kate says they only exchanged two or three words, but Gerry guarantees that his friend stayed inside the house where his children were, for half an hour. The fact that three witnesses launch suspicions about Dave made it fundamental to clarify this situation.

Brother-in-law washed the car due to fish smell

Gerry’s brother-in-law was also heard in a rogatory letter. He was the usual driver of the Renault Scénic and he explained to the police that he had washed the car boot because one day he had perceived that fish blood had spilled from the bag that he had just acquired at the supermarket. Alexander also added, in April this year, when he was questioned by the investigators, that one day he had noticed a strange smell in the car. But he guaranteed that was due to the fact that they usually transported waste in the car boot. He also said that the twins’ nappies were usually placed there, and that was the reason for the intense smells.

Trip to London without results

It was the last great hope for the investigation. Already in the possession of the final documents from the English lab, which launched strong doubts and rendered the results from the residues that were found inside the car that was rented by the McCanns 22 days after Maddie disappeared inconclusive, the Polícia Judiciária from Portimão made themselves available to watch the questioning of the McCanns’ friends. Paulo Rebelo, who had substituted Gonçalo Amaral, and two other investigators went to Leicester, but returned empty-handed.

It was in April this year and the hearings were held at the English police’s headquarters, a few kilometers from the couple’s house. But the witnesses added little or nothing and in many moments pointed towards what they had already told the Portuguese authorities after the disappearance. The PJ’s final report, which is most likely to prompt the dispatch for archiving by the Public Ministry today, reinforces just that and it is ultimately accepted that the investigation has reached a dead end.

Many situations remain unclear, namely how it was possible for Jane Tanner to have seen a man carrying a child while Gerry, who was standing two or three metres away, saw nothing; and how an abductor could have carried a child horizontally, through a small window that only half opened.

Notes

Teachers | Heard – The PJ heard Madeleine’s teachers through a rogatory letter. They guaranteed that Madeleine was happy with the McCann couple and that there had never been any incident.

Mitchell | Guaranteed innocence – Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s spokesman, was questioned on the 28th of April. He guaranteed that he had accepted to work with the McCanns because he had believed in their innocence. source: Correio da Manhã, 21.07.2008, paper edition
Wederom, dit vergt ook weer ernstig leeswerk...

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 13:17:12 #19
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 11:23 schreef Suko het volgende:
Mogguh all. PGR statement released this afternoon
The Portuguese Public Prosecutor's Office (“Procuradoria Geral da República”) will release an official statement about the Madeleine McCann case today, at 4:00 pm. Bron

Case Closed, shelved, archived, secrecy lifted, no proof she is dead, no proof she is abducted by a stranger, not enough DNA-evidence, never mind the dogs... etc etc etc...[ afbeelding ] dat zijn zo ongeweer de topics hier en daar, afwachten lijkt me het beste...Team McCann is vast al op de hoogte...[ afbeelding ]

Goedemorgen Suko en de rest!

Wachten duurt lang......

Waarschijnlijk heb je gelijk wbt team McCann, het wachten is op de eerste Clarrie spin in de Britse media en op de Portugese kranten....
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LISBON, Portugal: Portugal's attorney-general is due to announce Monday whether he plans to bring charges in the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann.

Attorney-General Fernando Pinto Monteiro could also order the investigation to be put on hold until new evidence emerges or ask police to pursue other lines of inquiry into the girl's May 2007 disappearance.

Prosecutors have been reviewing the final police report into what happened to the girl who went missing during a family vacation in Portugal's southern Algarve region a few days before her fourth birthday.

Detectives have named the girl's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and local man Robert Murat as formal suspects in the case. All have denied involvement in her disappearance. If the investigation is halted, suspects are automatically cleared.

Pinto Monteiro said last week he intended to issue a statement giving his decision but declined to provide any details.
http://www.iht.com/articl(...)gal-Missing-Girl.php
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 13:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen Suko en de rest!

Wachten duurt lang......

Waarschijnlijk heb je gelijk wbt team McCann, het wachten is op de eerste Clarrie spin in de Britse media en op de Portugese kranten....
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http://www.iht.com/articl(...)gal-Missing-Girl.php
Hajo Kahaarin. Nou, als je de Portugese artikelen bij elkaar zet, en ook die van zojuist dan snap ik wel waarom er geen zaak komt. Zoveel tegenwerking, zoveel protectie van privacy, zoveel van alles en nog wat, mocht men dus van een misdaad verdacht worden, bv in Portugal, en je hebt wat vriendjes die wat te zeggen hebben.... don't worry, alles wordt weggepoetst, kwijtgemaakt, veranderingetjes hier en daar, en niks aan de hand...helemaal niks. En oja, die snuffelhonden hebben vissenbloed en nappies geroken in die Renault Scénic....schiet mij maar lek.

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 14:45:27 #21
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Hajo Kahaarin. Nou, als je de Portugese artikelen bij elkaar zet, en ook die van zojuist dan snap ik wel waarom er geen zaak komt. Zoveel tegenwerking, zoveel protectie van privacy, zoveel van alles en nog wat, mocht men dus van een misdaad verdacht worden, bv in Portugal, en je hebt wat vriendjes die wat te zeggen hebben.... don't worry, alles wordt weggepoetst, kwijtgemaakt, veranderingetjes hier en daar, en niks aan de hand...helemaal niks. En oja, die snuffelhonden hebben vissenbloed en nappies geroken in die Renault Scénic....schiet mij maar lek.
Inderdaad zeg, ik dacht dat je in eerdere posts over die snifferdogs had staan dat vergissen heel weinig voorkwam? Natuurlijk net nu.....
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Inderdaad zeg, ik dacht dat je in eerdere posts over die snifferdogs had staan dat vergissen heel weinig voorkwam? Natuurlijk net nu.....
Your're kidding, right?! Maar zoals te verwachten, de BBC:
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Madeleine police inquiry shelved

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been shelved. Portugal's attorney general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro has told police to halt their inquiry. He also confirmed that suspect status has been lifted from the child's parents and a third British national, Robert Murat.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from her holiday apartment in Portugal on 3 May 2007, aged three.

'Most important'

Portuguese media had previously reported that the 14-month long investigation would be closed because of a lack of evidence. Detectives submitted their final report at the start of July to prosecutors.

Kate and Gerry McCann, Madeleine's parents, have said they want their own private investigators to see detectives' files so they can keep looking for their daughter. Mr and Mrs McCann's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the couple would not comment in advance of the attorney general's official statement. He added: "Obviously they are aware of numerous reports suggesting that the case is about to be shelved.

"If that is the case they hope that it is made very clear that their arguido status is revoked and they hope to gain access to the police files so that their private investigators can continue the search for Madeleine. "At the end of the day that is the most important thing - finding their daughter and keeping the search going."

Last week Mr Murat received a £600,000 settlement and apology after a libel claim over allegations in 11 UK newspapers. In March Mr and Mrs McCann reached a libel settlement and got an apology from Express Newspapers for suggesting they were responsible for her death.

The McCanns and Mr Murat both strongly denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

'Good job'

In an interview with the BBC, Goncalo Amaral - the former police chief leading the Madeleine inquiry - said he believed she was dead. "The evidence that we had gathered by the time that I left the case pointed to the girl being dead - and having died inside the apartment," he said.

"I don't know what happened next, I can't say. We'll have to wait for the case files to be made public." Mr Amaral was removed from the case last October after reportedly criticising the British police. He is now publishing a book about the investigation and denied that Portuguese police had failed to carry it out properly.

"Let's wait, and people will see that the Portuguese police and the British police did a good job - because various British agencies were involved. "We tried and we worked hard, so we can't be accused of incompetence or failure."

Mr Amaral also insisted that despite them being made formal suspects, there was "no persecution" of the McCanns. "The police don't want to persecute anyone - just to investigate what happened in a given case," he said.
Ondertussen is het 3arguidoforum zowat niet meer te bereiken... vet in de stress daar.

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 18:25:33 #23
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De eerste echte diepte stukken komen nu ook boven water. The Dayly Mail:
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Kate and Gerry McCann formally cleared as Portuguese Attorney General shelves Madeleine investigation
By Vanessa Allen and Nicola Boden
Last updated at 5:01 PM on 21st July 2008


Case shelved: Portugal's Attorney General says the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance has been halted

Kate and Gerry McCann have been formally cleared by Portuguese authorities investigating the disappearance of their daughter after 14 months as suspects.

Portugal's Attorney General announced the police investigation had found no evidence of a crime committed by the couple or by the first man to be named a suspect in the case, British ex-pat Robert Murat.

All three have alway strenuously denied any involvement in the three-year-old girl's disappearance in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz last year.

Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro said the case had now been shelved, although it could be reopened if any new evidence about the three-year-old girl's disappearance emerges.

His statement said: 'In an order issued today ... the investigation into the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann has been halted because no evidence was discovered of any crime committed by the suspects.'

It added that the investigation could be re-opened 'if new evidence emerges from any serious, pertinent and authoritative' source.

The McCanns are now expected to ask for access to the police files to help their personal hunt for Madeleine, who vanished from their holiday apartment while they were eating dinner with friends nearby.

The pair, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, are due to speak out about the decision to lift their 'arguido' status and the move to close the case this evening.

Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the couple had been informed of the statement and were liaising with their lawyers in Britain and Portugal.

'They are a wronged couple. For the past nine to 10 months they have had this agony as well as the pain of losing their daughter,' he said from Rothley.


Cleared: The investigation found no evidence of a crime committed by Kate McCann, pictured above today, or her husband Gerry

He continued: 'There is a degree of relief but no air of celebration whatsoever. They should never have been arguidos. The fact that they have emerged from this without being charged proves that.

'I know they will welcome this news but the whole thing has been a distraction since September.

'The main thing now is to get everything back to finding Madeleine. All of this has damaged their good reputations and they will have to assess where they go from here.

'The only thing they care about is finding Madeleine. We hope that the Portuguese authorities will continue to cooperate with their private investigation.'


End of a nightmare: The McCanns are due to speak out about being cleared and the decision to shelve the investigation this evening

Child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas says the couple should have had their suspect status lifted far earlier but attacked the decision to shelve the case.

'The arguido status should absolutely be lifted. I don't believe they should be kept as suspects any longer - there is no evidence to support it and this should have happened a long time ago,' he said.

'But we have lost sight of the most important thing here, and that is Madeleine. I don't believe 14 months into an investigation you can put it on the shelf. I think this is appalling.

'Would this happen in the UK? No. I think it is unacceptable to shut a case 14 months down the line.'

The disgraced former head of the investigation, Goncalo Amaral, had earlier insisted the decision to make the couple suspects was not police 'persecution'.


Goncalo Amaral insists naming the McCanns as suspects was not persecution by Portuguese police
Mr Amaral claimed the decision last September was not taken by police alone and stressed it was done based on the 'leads' his team had at the time.

But on Thursday, he is due to deliver another heartbreaking blow to the McCanns with a new book promising 'explosive revelations' about the inquiry.

Mr Amaral, 48, was responsible for authorising the decision to make the couple official suspects last September.

He was widely criticised for ignoring potential leads because of his focus on the MrCanns and his rigid belief that Madeleine died in their holiday apartment.

But today, he stressed he still believed that is where she died as he revealed his frustration that he was not able to solve the case.

'The evidence that we had gathered by the time that I left the case, pointed to the girl being dead - and having died inside the apartment,' he told the BBC.

'I don't know what happened next. I can't say. We'll have to wait for the case files to be made public.'

The move last September to make both parents suspects was taken by various officials, not 'purely and simply by police', he said.

'There were others involved - public prosecutors and the national directorate of the Portuguese police.

'They all knew there was a necessity to put everything on the table, in light of the advances we had made... the combination of leads we had.

'There was no persecution. The police don't want to persecute anyone, just to investigate what happened in a given case.'


No crime: Ex-pat Robert Murat, the first official suspect, has also been cleared

The former detective today denied he was trying to profit from the three-year-old's disappearance with his book and said it was an attempt to find the truth.

'People can say what they like. All I would say, is that I'm trying to contribute to the discovery of the truth.

'I worked 27 years as a police officer - and my conscience can't accept that this is the first case that slipped through my fingers. I worked hard with colleagues, and it's still unresolved.'

The memoir reportedly contains allegations that Madeleine died accidentally in her parents' care, and that they disposed of her body to cover up the death.

The McCanns, both 40, vehemently deny the claims. Friends say the couple's legal team will study the book and had not ruled out bringing libel proceedings against him.

Mr Amaral was rumoured to be responsible for many of the lurid smears and bizarre leaks from inside the police inquiry.

They stopped abruptly when he was removed from the case last October, a month after the McCanns were made 'arguidos'.
http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)e-investigation.html

1 en al Clarrie spin natuurlijk, de zaak zou in GB nooit geshelved zijn en de McCanns zijn een wronged couple, na het vertrek van Amaral zijn er geen smears meer geweest en Madeleine zelf wordt wel 2 keer genoemd in het hele artikel,

Maar goed, de arguido status is gelift en de zaak ligt in de kast, ben nu erg benieuwd naar het boek van Amaral, wie weet kan dat nog wat stof doen opwaaien, evenals de zaak zelf, is er zicht op dat er gedeeltes publiek worden? Is dat al bekend op 3arguido's?
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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 19:13:40 #24
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http://www.news.com.au/pe(...)8143-5005361,00.html
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Madeleine's parents share relief
From correspondents in London

July 22, 2008 12:20am
THE parents of missing British girl Madeleine McCann are relieved that their status as suspects has been lifted, a spokesman said today after Portuguese authorities closed their probe into the case.
Nou wat een opluchting zeg, ze zijn geen verdachte meer, maar er mist nog wel iets.....
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Gerry and Kate McCann, whose daughter vanished last May while they were on holiday in the Algarve, want access to Portuguese police files, spokesman Clarence Mitchell said.

"There is a degree of relief but no air of celebration whatsoever,'' he said.

"They should never have been arguidos (suspects). The fact that they have emerged from this without being charged proves that.''

"They will welcome this news, but the whole thing has been a distraction,'' he said.

"The main thing now is to get everything back onto finding Madeleine. The only thing they care about is finding their daughter.''
Daar hebben ze zelf geen debet aan met al die bemoeienis van hooggeplaatste vriendjes, het saboteren van het onderzoek en de weigering om terug te gaan naar portugal voor de reconstructie?
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Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from an apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, on May 3, 2007 as her parents dined with friends at a nearby restaurant.

The couple, both medical doctors, initially vowed not to leave Portugal until they found her, but came back to England after being made formal suspects in the case.
De grond werd gewoon te heet onder hun voeten.....
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"The search for her will now continue, and we hope that the Portuguese police, the Portuguese authorities will continue to cooperate with their private investigation to enable that to happen,'' said the parents' spokesman.

"They must cooperate and must allow access to the files for the private investigation to continue so that Madeleine can be found and brought home,'' he said.

"All of this has damaged their good reputation and they will now have to assess where they go from here.''
Ja natuurlijk, het ligt aan de Portugezen dat Maddy nog niet is gevonden, ze moeten als hondjes de files komen apporteren.

Hoe kwam het ook weer dat Madeleine in de eerste plaats verdwenen is? Omdat de McCanns zo goed hebben opgelet? Omdat ze voor een oppas hadden gezorgd zodat ze rustig uit konden gaan? Omdat ze daadwerkelijk elk kwartier de moeite hebben genomen bij hun kinderen, je weet wel die 3 kleintjes onder 4jaar oud, te gaan kijken?

Maar nee, de Portugezen, de pers en de fora hebben hun reputatie door het slijk gehaald en er voor gezorgd dat ze nog zoek is, echt waar......

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Ohw, de komende tijd is het alleen maar de McCanns & Co, wat ze allemaal hebben meegemaakt, nou ja, zie het verhaal van Spudgun, en hier moet idd rekening mee worden gehouden: "Clarence Mitchell will almost certainly be given greater impetus, either directly or otherwise, to organise the Government’s Media Monitoring Unit, to clamp down and to CLOSE down those websites and bloggers that influence sufficient numbers of people to be potentially detrimental to New Labours diktats, (as he did the MIRROR Forum)."

Het zal ook mij benieuwen of álle files straks openbaar worden gemaakt en ik ben des te meer nieuwsgierig naar die 81 documenten die nu net toevallig door de McCanns zijn veilig gesteld vlak voor deze bekendmaking, zien we hier een regie? Ik wel. Mogelijk zal nog steeds alles in het werk worden gesteld om bepaalde pijnlijke feiten verborgen te houden, vergeet Metodo 3 ook nog niet, indien er getuigen of anderzins verhalen gaan vertellen. Zal er nu eindelijk eens goeie onderzoeksjournalistiek komen? Voorlopig heb ik daar een hard hoofd in. Ik heb nog net voor de crash van het 3arguidoforum kunnen lezen dat de McCanns achter schadevergoedingen aangaan. En er komen grote sommen geld in het verschiet middels interviews en alles wat men verder kan verzinnnen, de zo gewilde celeb-status ligt binnen handbereik. En natuurlijk...keep Madeleine alive, wéér sightings, wéér geld bedelen en nu zullen goedwillende mensen zeker geld gaan geven, omdat de McCanns er nu zielig alleen voor staan....



Maar wat zijn er letterlijk voor conclusies zijn getrokken? De zaak gesloten wegens gebrek aan bewijs? Er is geen bewijs van a stranger abducter, wat is er dan wel duidelijk?

Het is eigenlijk maar een heel kort statementje van de PJ:
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PRESS RELEASE

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By the dispatch with today's date (21.07.2008) emmitted by the two magistrates of the Public Ministry competent for the case, it was decided the archiving of the inquiry related with the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann, for not having been obtained proof of the practice of any crime by the arguidos.

II

The condition of arguido of Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, Gerald Patrick McCann an Kate Marie Healy cease here, being declared extinct the coertion mesures superimposed to them.

III

There may be place to hierarchic appeal, a request to the opening of the instruction or the re-opening of the inquiry process, if requested by who has legitimacy t do it.

IV

The inquiry may be re-opened by the initiative of the Public Ministry or at the request of someone interested if new elements of proof emerge that may originate serious, pertinent and consequent diligences.

V

After the legal timings are passed, the process may be consulted by any person that reveals to hold a legitimate interest in it, as long as all the formalities imposed by law are observed.

Lisboa, 21 de Julho de 2008

The Press Office

Ana Lima

Leave comments to the Attorney General here: http://www.pgr.pt/english/index.htm
En Luz (ook bekend van vertalingen op het 3arguidoforum) schrijft hier: "and the time is very short: there's only ten days for the appeal, and ten days after that period all the documents that were not considered important are destroyed." Een aantal posters zijn dus even hier aan het posten nu het 3arguidoforum down is, was voorspeld, die grote aantallen bezoekers kunnen ze niet aan.

Een een statementje van Joana Morais



Joana verklaarde eerder op het 3arguidoforum zich te schamen Portugese te zijn maar dat is natuurlijk klinkklare onzin. Bovendien hebben we door haar e.a. nog iets van een andere berichtgeving kunnen lezen. Ze zal dit niet lezen maar ik bedank de Portugese posters en bloggers die de moeite hebben genomen alles te vertalen en het nog even blijven doen als er iets zomaar naar buiten komt...

Nou Amaral, kom maar op met dat boek!


"Truth about the Lie" 24/7 uit in Portugal maar de rest van de wereld?

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En voordat Charlotte's blog wordt 'kwijtgemaakt' zoals Clarence Mitchell ons doet geloven....haar kijk op o.a. het fonds-gebeuren:
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I sincerely wish Mr Amaral every success with his book. Does anyone know if it will be translated into English?

Mr Mitchell’s statement that others are making money out of Madeleine’s name could be classed as hypocritical considering the McCanns have announced forth coming movies, books and a substantial payment for an interview with Oprah Winfrey once their Arguido status is lifted. And they are still looking into new ‘solutions’ – according to yet more ‘close friends’ the McCanns may look into Mr Amaral’s book in the hope of finding something within its pages to sue the author.

Mr Mitchell had previously suggested that any monies from Mr Amaral’s book should be donated to the McCann fund – why on earth would he do that? Surely it should go towards his retirement? The McCanns have hauled in enough money through the public’s kindness and through suing British newspapers yet they still have not shown any proof that any of the fund money has gone towards finding Madeleine; still they have not released any audits to show exactly where the money donated by the public has been spent and still they are looking to build more through any means available.

What has struck me throughout the case is that the McCanns have not contributed anything themselves, the very people who say they are doing everything they can to (apparently) find Madeleine. Mr Mitchell goes on about the fund drying up and thrusting the begging bowl under the public’s noses as if he believes that the average person (who probably earns a mere pittance in comparison to the McCanns and Mr Mitchell) has an endless stream of money to give away to a fund that has not, as yet, been proven to be going towards ‘finding Madeleine.’ If they want the public to continuously donate money that they can probably ill afford, then surely the McCanns should have the decency to release audits of where, exactly, the fund money has so far been spent. What’s more, if they are so concerned about the fund running out then isn’t it about time that they showed willing and sold their house, down-sized and put their own money into the ‘find Madeleine Fund’?

Considering how the McCanns have acted, Is it any wonder that people are repeating their words “we are doing everything we can to find Madeleine” then adding “as long as it’s with someone else’s money”

So who, exactly, is making money out of whose name?
Ook zij krijgt een bloemetje, met een onderbreking, heeft Charlotte ook de kwestie nauwgezet gevolgd/gepubliceerd en vaak van nuttig, heel subtiel maar treffend van commentaar voorzien.

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 21:05:52 #27
145755 kahaarin
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 20:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ohw, de komende tijd is het alleen maar de McCanns & Co, wat ze allemaal hebben meegemaakt, nou ja, zie het verhaal van Spudgun, en hier moet idd rekening mee worden gehouden: "Clarence Mitchell will almost certainly be given greater impetus, either directly or otherwise, to organise the Government’s Media Monitoring Unit, to clamp down and to CLOSE down those websites and bloggers that influence sufficient numbers of people to be potentially detrimental to New Labours diktats, (as he did the MIRROR Forum)."
Bah,bah, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt, Clarrie zal dit zien als overwinning en proberen dit om te buigen alsof de McCanns eigenlijk vleugeltjes zouden moeten hebben en een gouden harpje......
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Het zal ook mij benieuwen of álle files straks openbaar worden gemaakt en ik ben des te meer nieuwsgierig naar die 81 documenten die nu net toevallig door de McCanns zijn veilig gesteld vlak voor deze bekendmaking, zien we hier een regie? Ik wel. Mogelijk zal nog steeds alles in het werk worden gesteld om bepaalde pijnlijke feiten verborgen te houden, vergeet Metodo 3 ook nog niet, indien er getuigen of anderzins verhalen gaan vertellen. Zal er nu eindelijk eens goeie onderzoeksjournalistiek komen? Voorlopig heb ik daar een hard hoofd in. Ik heb nog net voor de crash van het 3arguidoforum kunnen lezen dat de McCanns achter schadevergoedingen aangaan. En er komen grote sommen geld in het verschiet middels interviews en alles wat men verder kan verzinnnen, de zo gewilde celeb-status ligt binnen handbereik. En natuurlijk...keep Madeleine alive, wéér sightings, wéér geld bedelen en nu zullen goedwillende mensen zeker geld gaan geven, omdat de McCanns er nu zielig alleen voor staan....
Natuurlijk, de zaak zit op slot en er moet zo veel mogelijk geld uit gehaald worden, die documenten zijn wellicht cruciaal voor de publieke kijk op de zaak, ik ben er ook niet meer zo zeker van dat dit enkel de getuigenverklaringen van de eerste periode waren, ze waren er zo op gebrand dat ik begin te denken dat dit de belastende verklaringen waren, nogmaals een klap in het gezicht van de PJ, dit had natuurlijk nooit in de handen van de, toen nog wel, verdachten mogen komen.
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Maar wat zijn er letterlijk voor conclusies zijn getrokken? De zaak gesloten wegens gebrek aan bewijs? Er is geen bewijs van a stranger abducter, wat is er dan wel duidelijk?

Het is eigenlijk maar een heel kort statementje van de PJ:
Het enige wat die zegt is dat er geen bewijzen zijn, niet meer en niet minder, bewijzen verzamelen was hem ook bijna onmogelijk gemaakt, kijk maar eens naar wat er is gebeurd met die rogatory letters en de statements die van geen kanten aansloten maar die hij ook nooit heeft kunnen checken allemaal, team McCann zag het nut er niet van in om die reconstructie te doen immers.
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En Luz (ook bekend van vertalingen op het 3arguidoforum) schrijft hier: "and the time is very short: there's only ten days for the appeal, and ten days after that period all the documents that were not considered important are destroyed." Een aantal posters zijn dus even hier aan het posten nu het 3arguidoforum down is, was voorspeld, die grote aantallen bezoekers kunnen ze niet aan.
Ik maak me sterk dat als die dossiers vernietigd moeten worden er heus wel sources close to er de hand op weten te leggen, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat ze dit gewoon maar allemaal bij het vuilnis zetten, dit is te groot om onder het tapijt te vegen.
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Een een statementje van Joana Morais

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Tja, hard maar waarschijnlijk waar, poppetje......
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Joana verklaarde eerder op het 3arguidoforum zich te schamen Portugese te zijn maar dat is natuurlijk klinkklare onzin. Bovendien hebben we door haar e.a. nog iets van een andere berichtgeving kunnen lezen. Ze zal dit niet lezen maar ik bedank de Portugese posters en bloggers die de moeite hebben genomen alles te vertalen en het nog even blijven doen als er iets zomaar naar buiten komt...

Nou Amaral, kom maar op met dat boek!
De Portugezen hoeven zich nergens voor te schamen, degenen die dat wel zouden moeten doen hebben het te druk met vingerwijzen en beschuldigen, dat boek is imho echt 1 van de laatste mogelijkheden om enigzins een beetje licht op de zaak te werpen.
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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 21:22:49 #28
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Een zaak 'gewonnen' en een kind verloren...., ik weet niet wat ik er van moet zeggen of denken. Kennelijk hadden teveel mensen iets te verliezen en was het daarom zo moeilijk om te achterhalen wat er nou precies is gebeurd op 2 of 3 mei. Ik hoop dat ooit iemand toch gaat praten, of zou dat ijdele hoop zijn?
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 21:29:21 #29
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:22 schreef livelink het volgende:
Een zaak 'gewonnen' en een kind verloren...., ik weet niet wat ik er van moet zeggen of denken. Kennelijk hadden teveel mensen iets te verliezen en was het daarom zo moeilijk om te achterhalen wat er nou precies is gebeurd op 2 of 3 mei. Ik hoop dat ooit iemand toch gaat praten, of zou dat ijdele hoop zijn?
Iets met spijkers en koppen idd, hopelijk komt er nog iets boven water......
be nice or go away
  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 21:40:04 #30
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De vraag is wat er erger is. Dat Madeleine verwaarloosd en wel op geheimzinnige wijze gedood is of het volstrekt falen van de normale rechtsgang. Het eerste is een gruwelijk incident, het tweede suggereert dat een armer EG land onder grote druk gesteld door cynische mensen niet in staat is recht te doen gelden. Ik zal de komende tijd nog vaak denken aan deze zaak en welk aspect nu het meest afgrijselijk is.

Enfin op naar Ophrey en het grote cashen. Ouders overal ter wereld trek lering uit dit verhaal en dump de lastpak in Portugal voor grotere roem en massa's geld. Arme Madeleine geeft volgens haar moeder nog steeds haar twopence worth aan haar 'abductors', maar haar ouders doen het natuurlijk niet voor zulke kleine bedragen.
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:05 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Bah,bah, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt, Clarrie zal dit zien als overwinning en proberen dit om te buigen alsof de McCanns eigenlijk vleugeltjes zouden moeten hebben en een gouden harpje......
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Natuurlijk, de zaak zit op slot en er moet zo veel mogelijk geld uit gehaald worden, die documenten zijn wellicht cruciaal voor de publieke kijk op de zaak, ik ben er ook niet meer zo zeker van dat dit enkel de getuigenverklaringen van de eerste periode waren, ze waren er zo op gebrand dat ik begin te denken dat dit de belastende verklaringen waren, nogmaals een klap in het gezicht van de PJ, dit had natuurlijk nooit in de handen van de, toen nog wel, verdachten mogen komen.
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Jee Kahaarin, daar zit wat in, tuurlijk ziiten er heel belastende verklaringen in en mogelijk nog wat uitslagen van het een of ander....
Het enige wat die zegt is dat er geen bewijzen zijn, niet meer en niet minder, bewijzen verzamelen was hem ook bijna onmogelijk gemaakt, kijk maar eens naar wat er is gebeurd met die rogatory letters en de statements die van geen kanten aansloten maar die hij ook nooit heeft kunnen checken allemaal, team McCann zag het nut er niet van in om die reconstructie te doen immers.
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Yep, nogmaals, niet meewerken loont kennelijk, dat begrihp ik ook nog steeds niet. Die vrienden waren dan wel geen formeel verdachten maar het moge duidelijk zijn dat ze geen klap hebben uitgevoerd enig zicht in de zaak te krijgen en te helpen Madeleine te vinden, integendeel zou ik zeggen.
Ik maak me sterk dat als die dossiers vernietigd moeten worden er heus wel sources close to er de hand op weten te leggen, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat ze dit gewoon maar allemaal bij het vuilnis zetten, dit is te groot om onder het tapijt te vegen.
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Nou ja, niet bij het vuilnis, dat ook nou weer niet, maar mogelijk in een kluis of zo, maar vermoedelijk heeft Correio da Manhã nog wat liggen, die krant heeft kennelijk heel veel materiaal in handen zoals we konden lezen....
Tja, hard maar waarschijnlijk waar, poppetje......
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De Portugezen hoeven zich nergens voor te schamen, degenen die dat wel zouden moeten doen hebben het te druk met vingerwijzen en beschuldigen, dat boek is imho echt 1 van de laatste mogelijkheden om enigzins een beetje licht op de zaak te werpen.
Dat wordt een bestseller, indien het ook buiten Portugal wordt uitgegeven, Amaral is er klaar voor, ook voor de aanklachten die het team McCann mogelijk tegen hem gaan indienen.
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:22 schreef livelink het volgende:
Een zaak 'gewonnen' en een kind verloren...., ik weet niet wat ik er van moet zeggen of denken. Kennelijk hadden teveel mensen iets te verliezen en was het daarom zo moeilijk om te achterhalen wat er nou precies is gebeurd op 2 of 3 mei. Ik hoop dat ooit iemand toch gaat praten, of zou dat ijdele hoop zijn?
Dat hopen velen met jou, er zijn zoveel mensen bij betrokken...vroeger of later komt het naar buiten, als een rollercoaster de rest, kan niet anders.

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 21:54:19 #32
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:
De vraag is wat er erger is. Dat Madeleine verwaarloosd en wel op geheimzinnige wijze gedood is of het volstrekt falen van de normale rechtsgang. Het eerste is een gruwelijk incident, het tweede suggereert dat een armer EG land onder grote druk gesteld door cynische mensen niet in staat is recht te doen gelden. Ik zal de komende tijd nog vaak denken aan deze zaak en welk aspect nu het meest afgrijselijk is.

Enfin op naar Ophrey en het grote cashen. Ouders overal ter wereld trek lering uit dit verhaal en dump de lastpak in Portugal voor grotere roem en massa's geld. Arme Madeleine geeft volgens haar moeder nog steeds haar twopence worth aan haar 'abductors', maar haar ouders doen het natuurlijk niet voor zulke kleine bedragen.
Het is heel wrang dat het hier gewoon op neerkomt idd, ook dat Suko gewoon gelijk heeft wat betreft tear yerkers en Clarrie spin, hopelijk heb je niet net gegeten want dit artikel is echt misselijk makend....
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Lisbon/London - The parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann vowed Monday that they would never give up the search for their daughter even though the Portuguese investigations into the case have been closed.

Speaking at their home in Britain, Kate and Gerry McCann said they were relieved that the Portuguese attorney general, who Monday announced that the case would be closed, had lifted their status as official suspects, or arguidos.

'It is hard to describe how utterly despairing it was to be named arguidos and subsequently portrayed in the media as suspects in our own daughter's abduction,' said Kate McCann.

'It has been equally devastating to witness the detrimental effect this status has had on the search for Madeleine.'

'We shall leave no stone unturned to find our little girl,' said Kate McCann, who was close to tears in a joint media appearance with her husband in the couple's home town of Rothley, in central England.

Their statement came only hours after the office of Portuguese attorney general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro announced that the Madeleine inquiry was being shelved for lack of evidence after 14 months of investigations.

The McCann's status as suspects, along with that of fellow-Briton Robert Murat, was being lifted, said the attorney's statement.

No evidence had been found that Gerry and Kate McCann or Murat had committed 'any crime,' the statement said, adding that the three were no longer subjected to any bail measures or other restrictions. the communique said.

If new significant evidence emerged, however, the case could be reopened at the initiative of the attorney general, or at the request of any authorized person.

Madeleine, then aged 3, disappeared from a holiday apartment in the southern Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her parents were eating at a nearby Tapas restaurant.

'There is a degree of relief but no air of celebration whatsoever,' said their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, earlier.

'They are a wronged couple. They should never have been arguidos,' he added.

Since being named suspects by Portuguese police last September, Kate and Gerry McCann had to bear 'this agony as well as the pain of losing their daughter.'

The McCann's have said they will hand over the case documents to a team of private detectives in a renewed effort to find Madeleine.

'The main thing now is to get everything back to finding Madeleine. All of this has damaged their good reputations and they will have to assess where they go from here.'

'The only thing they care about is finding Madeleine. We hope that the Portuguese authorities will continue to cooperate with their private investigation,' the parents' spokesman said.

The McCann's said they hoped the search for Madeleine would now be given fresh impetus by people coming forward with information.

But the Portuguese report stressed that there is a 'strong belief by British and Portuguese police that Madeleine is dead,' London's Evening Standard newspaper said Monday.

The lengthy and complex investigations in Portugal were marked by mutual recriminations, with British media accusing the Portuguese police of incompetence, and newspapers in Portugal suggesting that the McCann's were responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine.

According to the Evening Standard, the attorney general's report contains a 'strong condemnation' of Portuguese police for 'paying to much attention to the media' while the massive search for Madeleine was going on in the summer of 2007.

But the officer leading the investigations at the time, again insisted Monday that Madeleine died inside the apartment.

'The evidence that we had gathered by the time that I left the case, pointed to the girl being dead - and having died inside the apartment. I don't know what happened next,' Goncalo Amaral, who was sacked from the inquiry last October, told the BBC Monday.

Meanwhile in Britain, a former detective criticised the Portuguese authorities' decision to shelve the Madeleine case as 'appalling' and 'unacceptable.'

'I don't believe 14 months into an investigation you can put it on the shelf. I think this is appalling,' said child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas.

While he agreed that the arguido status on Madeleine's parents and Murat should have been lifted, it was now questionable how much time the police would devote to searching for Madeleine.

'They have got to keep looking for Madeleine because if they aren't looking for her, who is?' said Williams-Thomas.
http://www.monstersandcri(...)spects__2nd_Roundup_

Ondanks alle vows en tears staan de agony en pain van de ouders vooraan in de statements, hoe durf je over je eigen sores te zeuren als je kind weg is en je zelf hebt bijgedragen aan de verdwijning door te gaan zitten zuipen met je vrienden terwijl je kids moederziel alleen in een open appartement liggen, ik weet het, mijn plaat loopt vast en ik heb dit al ik weet niet hoe vaak gezegd maar kom op zeg, het is toch te erg dat mensen die hun kinderen achterlaten om te gaan feesten zo'n ontzettend podium krijgen om hun jankverhalen en beschuldigingen te uiten, in 1 woord walgelijk......
be nice or go away
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:54 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het is heel wrang dat het hier gewoon op neerkomt idd, ook dat Suko gewoon gelijk heeft wat betreft tear yerkers en Clarrie spin, hopelijk heb je niet net gegeten want dit artikel is echt misselijk makend....
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http://www.monstersandcri(...)spects__2nd_Roundup_

Ondanks alle vows en tears staan de agony en pain van de ouders vooraan in de statements, hoe durf je over je eigen sores te zeuren als je kind weg is en je zelf hebt bijgedragen aan de verdwijning door te gaan zitten zuipen met je vrienden terwijl je kids moederziel alleen in een open appartement liggen, ik weet het, mijn plaat loopt vast en ik heb dit al ik weet niet hoe vaak gezegd maar kom op zeg, het is toch te erg dat mensen die hun kinderen achterlaten om te gaan feesten zo'n ontzettend podium krijgen om hun jankverhalen en beschuldigingen te uiten, in 1 woord walgelijk......
Neuh, ik lees dat artikel niet... Kahaarin, cool down! Wat wij en andere posters op fora/blogs denken en de zaak op de voet hebben gevolgd, ik wed dat daarbuiten heel mensen hetzelfde denken, ze zijn nog lang niet verlost van mensen die de McCanns voor geen meter vertrouwen, en denken...opzouten! I'm sure...En mochten ze bij Oprah op de bank gaan zitten dan zal zij hen best het vuur aan de schenen leggen...zij heeft ook een reputatie hoog te houden, vooral wat kinderen betreft. Maar zij betaalt geen gasten dacht ik. "The Oprah Winfrey Show does not pay for news interviews." Bron Mogelijk wordt het dan toch Babara Walters, haar ken ik trouwens niet.

Overigens heeft het 3arguidoforum een nieuwe opzet: Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead Zo traag als dikke jeweetwel...maar goed.

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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 21:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:
De vraag is wat er erger is. Dat Madeleine verwaarloosd en wel op geheimzinnige wijze gedood is of het volstrekt falen van de normale rechtsgang. Het eerste is een gruwelijk incident, het tweede suggereert dat een armer EG land onder grote druk gesteld door cynische mensen niet in staat is recht te doen gelden. Ik zal de komende tijd nog vaak denken aan deze zaak en welk aspect nu het meest afgrijselijk is.

Enfin op naar Ophrey en het grote cashen. Ouders overal ter wereld trek lering uit dit verhaal en dump de lastpak in Portugal voor grotere roem en massa's geld. Arme Madeleine geeft volgens haar moeder nog steeds haar twopence worth aan haar 'abductors', maar haar ouders doen het natuurlijk niet voor zulke kleine bedragen.
Hoi Voyeur, oe...hard maar zo waar. Wat een voorbeeld idd voor de moderne goed verdienende 'ouders'... met kennelijk een ongewenst kind...imo.

Joana Morais meldt: "PJ Final Report - All the Investigation on the McCanns "57 pages to be translated - update will follow as soon as possible."

Mmmm, het waren toch echt 11000 (-81 natuurlijk) documenten...."The result today is only a partial victory for the McCanns because they are only being given access to 81 pieces of a massive 11,000 pieces of evidence held by the British force." Bron Nou ja, zal dan wel net passen in het rapport van 57 pagina's.

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  maandag 21 juli 2008 @ 22:39:50 #35
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 22:11 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Neuh, ik lees dat artikel niet... Kahaarin, cool down! Wat wij en andere posters op fora/blogs denken en de zaak op de voet hebben gevolgd, ik wed dat daarbuiten heel mensen hetzelfde denken, ze zijn nog lang niet verlost van mensen die de McCanns voor geen meter vertrouwen, en denken...opzouten! I'm sure...En mochten ze bij Oprah op de bank gaan zitten dan zal zij hen best het vuur aan de schenen leggen...zij heeft ook een reputatie hoog te houden, vooral wat kinderen betreft. Maar zij betaalt geen gasten dacht ik. "The Oprah Winfrey Show does not pay for news interviews." Bron Mogelijk wordt het dan toch Babara Walters, haar ken ik trouwens niet.

Overigens heeft het 3arguidoforum een nieuwe opzet: Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead Zo traag als dikke jeweetwel...maar goed.
Ik moest me gewoon even afreageren, ik heb de NewsNow site dichtgegooid en kijk er niet eerder weer naar dan morgen, I promiss.
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 22:39 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik moest me gewoon even afreageren, ik heb de NewsNow site dichtgegooid en kijk er niet eerder weer naar dan morgen, I promiss.
Heel verstandig....

Interessant: "Pinto Monteiro was faced with choosing between bringing charges in connection with Madeleine's disappearance, closing the case or asking the police to continue investigating". The Gaurdian

What was wrong with exercising the first option? Bron

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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 23:00 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Heel verstandig....

Interessant: "Pinto Monteiro was faced with choosing between bringing charges in connection with Madeleine's disappearance, closing the case or asking the police to continue investigating". The Gaurdian

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Dames het is jammer dat het zo moet eindigen, VOORLOPIG !!!! maar er moet wel voldoende bewijs ergo politieke medewerking zijn om een rechtzaak te beginnen. Treurig...
haastige spoed is zelden goed, maar kom ik te laat sta ik op straat.
  dinsdag 22 juli 2008 @ 00:29:03 #38
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Ook in de (papieren) Telegraaf aandacht voor het aanstaande boek van Goncala Amaral.
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’Onthullingen’ zaak-Maddie

LISSABON, maandag
Het voormalige Portugese hoofd van het onderzoek naar de verdwenen Madeleine McCann presenteert deze week zijn boek over de zaak en kondigt explosieve onthullingen aan.
Juist vandaag sluiten de Portugese aanklagers de zaak van het vorig jaar verdwenen Britse meisje waarschijnlijk wegens gebrek aan bewijs.
Ex-onderzoeker Goncala Amaral, die in oktober van de zaak werd afgehaald, belooft aanstaande donderdag echter met „explosieve onthullingen” te komen. Vooral over de rol van de Britse politie zou hij het nodige hebben te melden. Hij gelooft dat Maddie niet meer leeft.
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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 00:29 schreef schatje het volgende:
Ook in de (papieren) Telegraaf aandacht voor het aanstaande boek van Goncala Amaral.
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Maar het zal de uitkomst van nu niet veranderen, mogelijk wél de opinie van het publiek, waarbij ik me afvraag of dat boek van Amaral wel mág uitkomen in de UK. Het team McCann staat al op de achterste poten om Amaral voor het gerecht te slepen én mogelijk verbod op het boek, hun radertjes zijn sterk zoals is gebleken.

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Gisteravond Newsnight gekeken op de BBC en ik kon niet geloven wat verslaggeefster Caroline Hawley vanuit Praia da Luze er van bakte...Natuurlijk zijn er vet fouten gemaakt, zeker. Maar een aantal wordt (bewust?) verkeerd weergegeven. Ondere andere het bevuilen van zoveel mensen in het apartement na de vermissing, de crime-scene was niet direct afgesloten. Niet zo verwonderlijk als men bedenkt dat niet inmiddellijk de politie is gebeld. Kate rende na tien min. naar de Tapasbar, de twins alleen achterlatend, en pas na pakweg 40 min-1 uur werd de politie gebeld, inmiddels was het apartement vol met die Tapas-vrienden, mensen van de Ocean Club, meubels verschoven...

"Around 9 p.m., Gerry guarantees that he went to check on his children: but he failed to enter Madeleine’s bedroom and only later gave importance to the fact that the door was more open than he had left it. The alert to the little girl’s disappearance was given at approximately 10 p.m., and one hour later the GNR was informed about the event. The English guarantee that they only alerted BBC at around 2 a.m." Eerdere post

En El Pais: "The British media closed ranks around the pair of doctors as soon as the disappearance occurred. Three days after the report, the circus was already installed next door to Ocean Club. El Pais went to Praia da Luz that week; there were 33 Sky News journalists and 18 from the BBC. Sky had access to the news of the kidnapping before the Portuguese police, confirmed a Police source. “Someone in the McCann circle phoned the Sky News Algarve correspondent from the Ocean Club on the night of the crime. The call was made at 22.11 pm. We ourselves were informed of the disappearance half an hour later, at 22.40”. Eerdere post

En weer meldde de verslaggeefster gisteravond dat Kate een deal was aangeboden door de politie zoals beschreven in het BBC-transscript "BILTON: At 3 in the morning after Kate McCann has returned to her villa, her lawyer arrives with what seems to be a deal. Plead guilty to manslaughter and escape with only 2 years in gaol. As he explains the offer, Philomena McCann is on the phone to her sister Trish. PHILOMENA McCANN Gerry McCann's sister: "Trisha hangs out with a mobile and there I am listening to Kate screaming at the lawyer: "No! No!" and just the emotion and the disgust, her tone, everything that was being conveyed, I mean what she was saying and the anger, you could feel it." Met varianten o.a. in The Sun, en in de Daily Mail.

Maar wat melldt de advocaat van de McCanns later over deze deal: "Portuguese police, meanwhile, last night described as 'absolutely absurd' reports that Kate McCann was offered a plea bargain during questioning should she admit to the accidental death of her daughter.The McCanns' Portuguese lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, said that the newspaper reports were due to a 'misunderstanding' that had arisen during questioning." The Guardian

En ook op de BBC, peetoom van de twins Corner werd ook even op z'n plaats gezet: "Mr Corner had previously said Mrs McCann told him officers had tried to "cut her a deal" under which she would serve only two years in jail if she confessed. But Portugal-based British journalist Paul Luckman told the BBC that under Portuguese law there is a set sentence for each crime which not even a judge can change. He said it would not be possible for the police to make such a deal." Uit een eerdere post op 17 nov 2007 Tja...Kate weigerde gewoon verdere vragen te beantwoorden en dan moet je toch wát verzinnen....

Zo, Newsnight (ook BBC...) had dit makkelijk kunnen checken...maar als men alleen de tabloids als bronnen neemt...dat ziet er voorlopig niet goed uit qua journalistiek.

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The PJ refuse to abandon the Maddie case in spite of the, "McCann case."
SOS Madeleine McCann 21/07/08 (vertaling )

The PJ are not ready to abandon the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in spite of the announcement from the office of the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) that the process would be archived. The Portimao Department of Criminal Investigation (DIC) of the PJ which has investigated Madeleine's disappearance, "is going to be strengthened briefly," a police source confirmed in statements to the Lusa agency.

According to the same source, the strengthening of the resources of the Portimao PJ is intended to cope with the possibility of new leads or sensitive details to be analysed within the framework of the Maddie case. The National Directorate of the PJ, led by Almeida Rodrigues, gave instructions about the way in which every lead in connection with the Madeleine case, "is immediately investigated."

The decision of the Public Minister (MP) to archive the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance and to lift the arguidos status of the parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, was not greeted with suprise by the PJ investigators or the British police: one of the investigators affirmed, "having been the victims of an agreement which goes over their heads and which does not take account of the interests of the victim, Maddie."

"The Maddie case has become the McCann case, we have gone from a police investigation to a case of political protection and manipulation of the law," a British police officer accuses in statements to SMM. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
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Op dit moment is Joana Morais met de vertaling bezig van het eind-rapport, nog een aantal bladzijdjes, delen zijn al te lezen, van de 57 pagina's zijn 27 and 28 klaar, maar wie het Portugees beheerst: Document in PDF - PJ Report in Portuguese
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Madeleine Cops File Leaked On Web Sky News
Madeleine Files Leaked

Breaking News10:06am UK, Tuesday July 22, 2008
Martin Brunt, Crime correspondent, in Praia da Luz

Kate and Gerry McCann have to wait a week to see the police files on the Madeleine case, but a summary has already been leaked to a Portuguese website. It explains why the couple were made arguidos... because of the "scent of death" detected by the cadaver dog and their own reluctance to answer police questions.

According to the leak, the dog found the smell of a corpse in the couple's bedroom at apartment 5a and behind a sofa in the living room. The dog detected the same on Madeleine's soft toy Cuddle Cat and on the key fob in the family's hire car.

The police report says the couple were made arguidos "due to the slight possibility of connection to a corpse".The second animal - a blood dog - found traces of Madeleine's blood behind the couch, on two items of Kate McCann's clothes and on the key fob and in the car boot, according to the leak.

It also says there was a DNA match to Madeleine's on samples taken from the car but later forensic results did not confirm that initial finding. Robert Murat was made a suspect after a British Sunday newspaper reporter gave his name to police because of his "inquisitive" behaviour.

Suspicions were fuelled by friends of the McCanns who claimed he helped in the search for Madeleine on the night she vanished, contradicting his alibi that he was at his nearby home with his mother all night. The report says detectives found no one else who saw him on the night and telephone wires and searches provided no evidence of his involvement.

In a fascinating glimpse of the kind of information fed to police, one witness said he had overhead Gerry McCann talking into his mobile phone in nearby Lagos and saying "please don't hurt Madeleine". Detectives did cell site analysis on Gerry's phone and established he was elsewhere at the time. The witness was wrong.
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  dinsdag 22 juli 2008 @ 12:35:10 #41
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Op maandag 21 juli 2008 23:38 schreef Ledikant56 het volgende:

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Dames het is jammer dat het zo moet eindigen, VOORLOPIG !!!! maar er moet wel voldoende bewijs ergo politieke medewerking zijn om een rechtzaak te beginnen. Treurig...
Je hebt gelijk, en bedankt!
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  dinsdag 22 juli 2008 @ 12:47:53 #42
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Goeddemiddag!

Ik ben weer kalm, ik heb dit zelfs kunnen lezen zonder dat mijn bloeddruk steeg, de McCanns willen de PJ aanklagen, ze zijn zo boos omdat ze arguido zijn gemaakt:

http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)rtuguese-police.html
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Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry could sue'Portuguese police
Kate and Gerry McCann could sue Portuguese police over their decision to make them formal suspects in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Portuguese prosecutors announced that they had no evidence that the McCanns or fellow suspect Robert Murat Photo: GETTY IMAGES

Speaking at a press conference to mark the lifting of their "arguidos" status after 10 months, they refused to rule out taking legal action.

Their lawyers will spend the coming weeks examining the police case files for unexplored leads to search for the little girl, and to judge whether they should start legal proceedings.

The McCanns have vowed to continue their search for Madeleine, who disappeared from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz 14 months ago, and said there was "no celebration" at the news their arguidos status had been revoked.

After an exhaustive investigation lasting more than 14 months, Portuguese prosecutors announced yesterday that they had no evidence that the McCanns or fellow suspect Robert Murat had committed any crimes.

As a result they shelved the case and lifted the arguido status of the three.

Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, said their lawyers would be given access to police files later this week.

Mr Mitchell said: "By the end of this week, lawyers will have complete access to everything. They will have 20 days to assess the work of the police and what has been done and what hasn't been done."

He added: "If they feel legal action is necessary, we could press charges."

Mr McCann told the press conference they would not rule out returning to Portugal or taking action against the Portuguese authorities.

He said: "We don't have any immediate plans to return to Portugal at the moment.

"Obviously we want to digest the statement and also to get access to the files to see what can still be done."

He said any legal action would be "secondary" to finding their daughter.

The McCanns, both 40, looked tired at the press conference in their home village of Rothley, Leicestershire.

Mrs McCann told journalists: "It is hard to describe how utterly despairing it was to be named arguidos and subsequently portrayed in the media as suspects in our own daughter's abduction.

"It has been equally devastating to witness the detrimental effect this status has had on the search for Madeleine."

Mr Murat, 34, an Anglo-Portuguese property consultant, said he was relieved to have his arguido status lifted but feared some people would still doubt his innocence.

Hours before the prosecutors' announcement on Monday, the former head of the Portuguese police investigation reaffirmed his belief that the young girl died inside her parents' holiday flat.

The McCanns have always strenuously denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance and say they will believe she is alive until given firm evidence to the contrary.

Ex-detective Goncalo Amaral, who was removed from the inquiry last October after criticising British police, will publish a book about his involvement in the case on Thursday.

He claimed: "The evidence that we had gathered by the time that I left the case, pointed to the girl being dead - and having died inside the apartment.

"I don't know what happened next. I can't say. We'll have to wait for the case files to be made public."

However, Fernando Jose Monteiro, Portugal's attorney general, said the police had found no evidence linking the McCanns, or fellow suspect Robert Murat, to Madeleine's suspected abduction, and lifted all conditions imposed on them.

Portuguese police have said the investigation could be re-opened if new evidence comes to light.
Nou ben ik heel benieuwd of ze dit uit het Maddy-fund willen betalen en wat de reactie van de geldschieters zal zijn, dit heeft imho niets te maken met de zaak, niets te maken met Madleine maar met hun eigen gram halen, laten ze dat geld gebruiken voor de zoektocht naar Maddy ipv hun lelieblanke achterwerken schoon te praten.
Ze zijn zelf immers echt niet van alle smetten vrij.

Ik heb trouwens zo maar een ideetje, zou het kunnen zijn dat als ze veroordeeld waren voor neglect, ze dan niet meer veroordeeld kunnen worden voor de eventuele verdwijning? Je kunt natuurlijk niet voor verwaarlozing met de dood tot gevolg worden veroordeeld en daarbovenop voor dood door schuld.
De zaak ligt alleen maar op de plank totdat er nieuw bewijs is, niet meer en niet minder, als er nieuw bewijs komt bovendrijven kunnen de McCanns alsnog opgepakt worden, als ze al schuldig waren bevonden niet meer natuurlijk.

Suko had wel gelijk dat er nu in de eerste tijd na de statements van de PJ de McCanns een nieuwe campagne aan het voeren zijn om er zelf beter uit te zien, een 'wronged couple'.......
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Nou, kappen met die hele zooi want uiteindelijk blijkt dat men geen concreet bewijs heeft gehad en alles op speculatie en heresay verhalen heeft laten lopen.
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Op dinsdag 22 juli 2008 12:47 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goeddemiddag!

Ik ben weer kalm, ik heb dit zelfs kunnen lezen zonder dat mijn bloeddruk steeg, de McCanns willen de PJ aanklagen, ze zijn zo boos omdat ze arguido zijn gemaakt:
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Nou ben ik heel benieuwd of ze dit uit het Maddy-fund willen betalen en wat de reactie van de geldschieters zal zijn, dit heeft imho niets te maken met de zaak, niets te maken met Madleine maar met hun eigen gram halen, laten ze dat geld gebruiken voor de zoektocht naar Maddy ipv hun lelieblanke achterwerken schoon te praten.
Ze zijn zelf immers echt niet van alle smetten vrij.

Ik heb trouwens zo maar een ideetje, zou het kunnen zijn dat als ze veroordeeld waren voor neglect, ze dan niet meer veroordeeld kunnen worden voor de eventuele verdwijning? Je kunt natuurlijk niet voor verwaarlozing met de dood tot gevolg worden veroordeeld en daarbovenop voor dood door schuld.
De zaak ligt alleen maar op de plank totdat er nieuw bewijs is, niet meer en niet minder, als er nieuw bewijs komt bovendrijven kunnen de McCanns alsnog opgepakt worden, als ze al schuldig waren bevonden niet meer natuurlijk.

Suko had wel gelijk dat er nu in de eerste tijd na de statements van de PJ de McCanns een nieuwe campagne aan het voeren zijn om er zelf beter uit te zien, een 'wronged couple'.......
Jouw ideetje is lang zo gek niet, de zaak is nog lang niet beklonken! En dat fonds zou eens onderzocht moeten worden, het stinkt aan alle kanten, maar ja, wie heeft de ingang daartoe...en de moed?!

En verder, als je alleen al het eind-rapport (hier en ook hier te lezen) maar vluchtig leest, nog afgezien van het feit dat er veel niet instaat, vanwege privacy redenen, en ook wegens de 81 documenten die de McCanns in handen hebben, dan is het eigenlijk niet te snappen waarom er op z'n minst niet kan worden ge-eist dat de McCanns naar Praia dea Luz terug moeten ivm een reconstructie en er liggen nog wat vragen 'open.' Joana Morais (aka xklamation op het 3areguidoforum) merkt nog op: "The original document came from Expresso Newspaper, it's on-line. Apparently it is the true thing: the real PJ's Final Report. - (a very small part of the full process which consists in 19 volumes, around 200 thousand documents)." Wat mij ook opvalt is dat eerdere artikelen uit de Correio da Manhã vrij correct waren, stukjes zijn in het eindrapport te lezen, ook in deze en voorgaande topic gepost:

2 juli Archived with a homicide stamp
5 juli Report of PJ Discards Kidnapp Theory
5 juli (vervolg) INVESTIGATION REVEALS ABDUCTION IMPOSSIBLE (ook over Mrs. Fenn)
6 juli English combined depositions
7 juli Irishman saw Gerry carry Maddie
8 juli Murat's life rummaged within the case
18 juli English want secrecy
19 juli PJ admitted a simulation of the scenario
19 juli English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends
19 juli Payne suspected of paedophilia
20 juli English defended the use of the dogs
21 juli PJ wanted to hear the McCanns again


Maar goed, duidelijk is wederom dat het publiek lang niet alles te zien krijgt, verder reacties/opmerkingen op het rapport zijn hier te lezen. Voor wie interesse heeft in een Q en A tussen het publiek en woordvoerder van de McCanns Clarence Mitchell, Charlotte heeft het uitgeschreven: Copy of the Live Chat with Mr Mitchell

En kennelijk heeft het 3arguidofroum een waarschuwing gekregen: "I am sorry that it has come to the stage, but we are going to have to be a bit more heavy handed, and some of you might think this is unfair, but the last thing we need is complaints from hosts and them suspending the account."

Een overdenking tot slot: in het eindrapport staat dat op 1 mei buuv Mrs.Fenn Madeleine heeft horen huilen, je kan er gif op innemen dat hetzelde op 2 mei en mogelijk voor 1 mei is gebeurd: "On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own." Zie ook 5 juli (vervolg) INVESTIGATION REVEALS ABDUCTION IMPOSSIBLE

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Goeiedag zeg... Vandaag het eerste deel van Amaral's boek in Correio da Manhã, nou ja, fragmentjes dan, een Google-vertaling:
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July 23, 2008 - 00:30 am Pre-publication
"Madeleine died in apartment''
The 'CM' begins to be published today, exclusively excerpts from the book of Gonçalo Amaral, who believes that Madeleine McCann died in apartment in Praia da Luz The episode of holidays of 2005, in Majorca - they are raised suspicions about a friend the couple - and the results of DNA are the first excerpt.

Madeleine Beth McCann, with 2 ½ years, and their twin brothers at the time with few months old, departing on vacation in the company of parents to the island of Majorca. Together with three other couples they go to doctors with their children. [...] SG had attended the University of Dundee, between 1987 and 1992, there has known the future mother of Madeleine. KG only came to know Gerry McCann in this marriage with Kate Healy, around 1998, in Liverpool. After that event, the couple SG KG and become close friends of the parents of Madeleine and is a regular, passing week-end together, maintaining contact by phone.

In the third or fourth night in Majorca, after dinner, eating and drinking, when they were seated around a table in a courtyard outside the house, KG attends a scene that has caused fear for the welfare of her daughter and other children. She was seated between Gerry McCann and David Payne, when he heard the latter ask if she, perhaps referring to Madelein, would do 'this', starting in the act following a suck their fingers, which hinders the mouth and rising, suggesting a fálico subject, while with the fingers of the other hand, formed circles around the nipple, as a provocative and sexual. At a time when KG looked with amazement to Gerry McCann and David Payne, it was made a nervous silence. After all the talk continued as if nothing had happened. This episode caused KG in a serious doubt about the relationship of David Payne with children. In yet another occasion, KG would see David Payne to make the same gestures, this time speaking of their daughter. In that period of leave were the parents who gave bath for children, but from there KG never left the David Payne closer to their daughter. After these holiday in Majorca, KG only found the couple David and Fiona Payne on one occasion, not talking to them since then.

[...] What is written above was reported on May 16, 2007, only thirteen days after the disappearance of Madeleine English to the police, the couple SG and KG It was an important and relevant information for research.. However, nothing was sent to the Portuguese police.

[...] I believe that only after my departure of research, perhaps in late October 2007, is that the testimony of KG has been referred to the Portuguese police. With legitimacy question is: which is why the British police Tuesday, apparently, hidden evidence that during six months? When they heard that David Payne, organizer of the trip to Majorca, and who were reported abnormal behaviour in dealing with children, was the same which organised the trip to Portugal, which was part of the group of the holiday village of Luz where Madeleine was part, that was the first friend of the family to be seen next to Kate McCann after the disappearance of the child (as we shall see below) and that the date of the testimony was still in Portugal and may be confronted with these statements?

"[...] In the first days of September, just days before the constitution and accused the couple McCann, the Superintendent Stuart Prior, goes to the Portimão. It brings with it a preliminary report [of the forensic laboratory in Birmingham], coming discuss the status of the investigation with us. In a meeting with the investigating team Portuguese and English, in our office, Stuart shows up disappointed with the results of the examinations. It starts here the saga of the reports of the FSS. We read the report and we do not agree with the disappointment of Stuart. They are concerned the traces collected blood on the floor, behind the couch of the apartment 5A, as well as traces of blood recovered boot of the car used by McCann. We talk about blood traces (blood) because the dog is trained CSI only to detect that body fluid. The reports to support decision-making, prepared by specialists Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, are clear: the dog CSI was used to locate human blood. The Low Copy Number, technique used to determine the DNA of those samples, does not determine that body fluid comes from the DNA. In the first case, you can read that which obtained a result of incomplete DNA, for little information in the sample, giving indications of low-level DNA from more than one person . But all components of DNA confirmed coincide with the corresponding components of the DNA profile of Madeleine!

The second case, after an explanation of the components of the DNA profile of Madeleine, concluding that it is represented by 19 alleles, it appears that 15 are present in the sample examined. In other words, there are 4 components to have a 100% conclusive result. According to the experts that laboratory, those 15 have not arrived to finish with a great degree of certainty, that this was the DNA profile of Madeleine, because the Low Copy Number 37 components found in the sample. There 37 components because at least three individuals contributed to this result. Despite having been found 15 components of the DNA profile of Madeleine, the result was considered complex.

But it turned around here this first preliminary report. In it, the scientist has been careful to explain that abnormal in many of the profiles of the experts of the laboratory are present elements of the DNA profile of Madeleine. In other words, much of the DNA profile of any one person can be constructed by three donors. The first two issues have arisen. The first: to that served in terms of criminal evidence, a profile of DNA, if it can be a combination of three or more donors.

Another question was simple: why is that the DNA profile of those three donors contributed to 15 components of the DNA profile of Madeleine and not by any other person, for example, of the scientist who carried out the examination? But the surprises of the preliminary reports would not be here. [...]

WHAT THE BOOK ON BEHALF OF EX-POLICE

Gonçalo Amaral decided to write the book to recover its freedom of expression. Away from research by Alípio Ribeiro, the former coordinator of PJ of Portimão believe Madeleine McCann died in the apartment of the Ocean Club on the night of May 3, 2007. And also believes that parents simulated the abduction and hid the corpse of her daughter, after a tragic accident inside the apartment.

WAR OF DIRECTORS

The national director of PJ, Almeida Rodrigues, said yesterday that his predecessor, Alípio Ribeiro, "nãos if notabilizou for being a good researcher He said once the criticism made by Alípio the closing of the case Maddie, considering it was "too early for most."

Tomorrow: Get to know some more hot spots of the book which tells another version of the investigation and that MCCann did not want to see published. Leia a entrevista com o autor. Read the interview with the author.
(Een betere vertaling staat op de site van Joana Morais: "Madeleine died in the apartment" - Correio da Manhã)
Kennelijk zijn de eerdere artikelen in Correio da Manhã over David Payne inderdaad afkomstig van Amaral...
19 juli English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends
19 juli Payne suspected of paedophilia

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  woensdag 23 juli 2008 @ 11:27:56 #46
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Goedemiddag, nou ja bijna dan.

Ik denk Suko dat als Amaral dit niet kan bewijzen hij ongelofelijk in de knoei zit, ik hoop echt dat hij dit kan hard maken.
Joana is echt goed bezig met die mooie rijtjes en vertalingen, het zaakje stinkt echt, dit is geen oplossing maar een overgave van de PJ, ik denk dat men zich heeft gerealiseerd dat de ge-eikte paden volgen geen zin heeft want team McCann heeft alles compleet dichtgetimmerd.

En dan dit:

http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)t-leaked-.4314557.jp
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Madeleine police report leaked
Portuguese detectives made Madeleine McCann's parents suspects on the "slightest chance" they could have been involved in her disappearance, a leaked report has revealed.


An official 57-page summary of the huge final dossier assembled by the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) – Portugal's CID – was apparently posted online.

The leak came as Gerry and Kate McCann, both 40, of Rothley, Leicestershire, considered taking legal action against the Portuguese authorities after they had their suspect status formally lifted on Monday.

The police report, dated June 20, 2008 and written by an Algarve-based PJ inspector, was placed on Portuguese newspaper Expresso's website yesterday.

Detectives named the McCanns as "arguidos", or formal suspects, last September in the light of sniffer dog searches and initial DNA test results, according to the document. This was because inquiries had flagged up the "slightest chance of their involvement with a possible corpse" in their holiday flat and hire car, it said.

The leaked report said a "cadaver dog", trained to sniff out dead bodies, picked up a scent in the McCanns' apartment and on clothes belonging to Mrs McCann and Madeleine.

The animal also apparently scented death on the key of the Renault Scenic hire car rented by the McCanns 24 days after the little girl went missing.

Preliminary forensic analysis on samples recovered from the hire car raised the possibility of a match with Madeleine's DNA profile, the report said.

But final DNA test results could not match the material to any particular person – or even establish whether it was blood or another type of body fluid.

Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from the flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year as her parents dined with friends nearby.

The leaked PJ report details the numerous leads Portuguese detectives pursued fruitlessly – including psychic visions and thousands of reported sightings of Madeleine from as far away as Indonesia and Singapore.

The report also said extensive investigations found no evidence at all linking Praia da Luz resident Robert Murat, 34, the first arguido in the case, to Madeleine's disappearance.

The Anglo-Portuguese property consultant also had his suspect status lifted on Monday.

The document concludes that despite all detectives' efforts it was not possible to reach a "concrete and objective" conclusion about the truth of what happened to Madeleine that night.

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell criticised the apparent leaking of the report.

He said: "As always we simply will not comment on anything that appears to be from the usual anonymous sources.

"If any elements of the police report are being placed online that would not only be wrong, you have to ask yourself who is behind it and why.

"Gerry and Kate's lawyers in Portugal will be applying formally for access to the complete file and they will be analysing everything in it in their own time without making elements public at this stage."

The office of Portuguese attorney-general Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro announced on Monday that the Madeleine case was being shelved because there was no evidence the three suspects had committed any crimes.

Alipio Ribeiro, the PJ's national director until May, criticised this decision and said rushing to close an inquiry could be "harmful".
Goh, tjonge jonge, uit wiens pen zou dit gekomen zijn?
Ik denk dat ze weer een deal gaan sluiten en alle gegevens zonder slag of stoot in hun schoot geworpen krijgen, vervolgens kan die rechter die vriendin is van Kate alle stukken die mogelijk kwaad kunnen onder de 'bescherming' van Madeleine nav haar ward of court status gooien en niemand krijgt er ooit iets van te zien.
Amaral zal wel een boete krijgen en het boek verboden worden, presto, je kinderen alleen achterlaten in een hotel, lekker gaan feesten en er 1 kwijtraken heeft geen gevolgen als je maar rijk en invloedrijk genoeg bent.......
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Op woensdag 23 juli 2008 11:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag, nou ja bijna dan.

Ik denk Suko dat als Amaral dit niet kan bewijzen hij ongelofelijk in de knoei zit, ik hoop echt dat hij dit kan hard maken.
Joana is echt goed bezig met die mooie rijtjes en vertalingen, het zaakje stinkt echt, dit is geen oplossing maar een overgave van de PJ, ik denk dat men zich heeft gerealiseerd dat de ge-eikte paden volgen geen zin heeft want team McCann heeft alles compleet dichtgetimmerd.

En dan dit:

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Ik denk dat ze weer een deal gaan sluiten en alle gegevens zonder slag of stoot in hun schoot geworpen krijgen, vervolgens kan die rechter die vriendin is van Kate alle stukken die mogelijk kwaad kunnen onder de 'bescherming' van Madeleine nav haar ward of court status gooien en niemand krijgt er ooit iets van te zien.
Amaral zal wel een boete krijgen en het boek verboden worden, presto, je kinderen alleen achterlaten in een hotel, lekker gaan feesten en er 1 kwijtraken heeft geen gevolgen als je maar rijk en invloedrijk genoeg bent.......
Hajo Kahaarin. Nou ja, Amaral was er voor een groot gedeelte zelf bij (ook vanaf het begin) en heeft nog steeds veel steun en mogelijk daarom ook veel info van oud-collega's. En die boete en misschien meer eventueel kan hem geen moer schelen... Het algehele gevoel is wel dat er nog veel onder het karpet ligt, wij het klootjesvolk, weten vermoedelijk nog niet een 1/4... Wat wél duidelijk is dat er niet of onvoldoende bewijs is tegen de McCanns maar dat ze ook niet zijn gecleared, zeker niet! Op de site van Joana Morais staat nog een en ander van en over Amaral: “The Attorney General does not say that they are innocent”

Ook interessant, uit het eindrapport:
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2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:
- cadaver odour dog:
* in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4 – House of the McCanns at the date of the inspection [second apartment]
* NOTHING at the house was detected by any of the dogs;

5 - In the area of Vila da Luz
* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN
- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family
- cadaver odour dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
- blood dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.
Blijft toch vreemd dat alleen kleren van Kate en Madeleine, bloemperk, auto, apartement, Cuddle Cat de honden aansloegen, maar in de apartementen van de vrienden waaronder dokters er niets is aangetroffen, Correio da Manhã, uit een eerdere post: "Kate McCann didn’t negate the fact that her two pieces of clothes and the stuffed animal had been signaled by the English dogs trained to find cadaver odor and justified it by her profession. Madeleine’s mother alleged that as a doctor at the Leicester health center, she was present at six deaths directly before she came to Portugal on holiday, giving the same excuse for Madeleine’s stuffed animal, that was with her in the months after her daughter disappeared." Ach ja, zij werkte 1 1/2 dag als huisarts en dan heb je vlak daarvoor met 6 doden te maken...Ze moeten maar eens dat Leicester health center onderzoeken...

Trouwens, die Cuddle Cat zou Madeleine in Praia da Luz voor haar verjaardig pas krijgen, deze zou zijn gekocht op het vliegveld, en waarom moet ze dat beest 5 keer wassen, alleen omdat het wat lotion en zand bevatte? B*ll! Anyway, ook al krijgen zij wel het volledige rapport en de rest van de wereld niet, dan nog zullen ze lastige vragen moeten beantwoorden ook al zeggen ze nu dat niet te doen omdat ze zelf met het onderzoek bezig zijn.... En hier gelooff ik dus niks van: British police failed to stop DNA evidence in McCann case from being made public, in de Daily Mail Wel degelijk zoals gezegd is niet alles publiek gemaakt. En dat boek van Amaral wordt vast niet in Portugal verboden, bovendien krijgen wij lezers er stukjes van te zien in de Correio da Manhã, joepie...

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En toch is het raar he, de McCanns laten de wereld tot op de dag van vandaag weten dat Madeleine nog leeft zolang het tegendeel niet is bewezen: "They say they will continue to believe their daughter is alive until given firm evidence to the contrary, and their lawyers are now scrutinising Mr Amaral’s book." Ik bedoel, áls je in 'hun verhaal meegaat' dan bestaat het toch niet dat ze dan nog in Rothley zitten te lanterfanten en tussendoor nog vakantie etc etc...en dan nog steeds zeggen, nu ze geen formeel verdachten zijn: "Answering questions from journalists, her husband refused to rule out either going back to Portugal or taking legal action against the Portuguese authorities. Mr McCann said: "We don’t have any immediate plans to return to Portugal at the moment. "Obviously we want to digest the statement and also to get access to the files to see what can still be done." He said any legal action would be "secondary" to finding their daughter." Gisteren in de Liverpool Daily Post

Neuh, niet onmiddelijk plannen naar Portugal af te reizen, Madeleine kan nog wel eventjes wachten...

En ze gaan inderdaad (mogelijk) stappen ondernemen tegen Amaral: "Kate and Gerry McCann were consulting lawyers today after the publication of extracts from a book by a former senior Portuguese detective containing allegations against them. Goncalo Amaral, former head of the investigation into the disappearance of the couple’s daughter Madeleine, affirms that the young girl died in her family’s holiday flat. His book, entitled The Truth Of The Lie, will be published tomorrow but excerpts were printed in the Portuguese paper Correio da Manha today." Liverpool Echo

Binnen 20 dagen hebben ze overigens de mogelijkheid te protesteren qua eindrapport nu de zaak is gedropped: "The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the couple's lawyers would be making an immediate application for full access to the police files so they could follow up any new leads. They have 20 days to appeal the decision to drop the case, although this is unlikely to happen. After that period limited access will be made available to other interested parties." telegraph

Nou ja, ze gaan tegen iedereen stappen ondernemen, de rest van de wereld of zo... ze zijn 'een beetje gestoord' lijkt wel. Gezien de gevonden sporen (alhoewel inconclusive) is de mogelijkheid van wandered off van Madeleine uitgesloten. Voor ontvoering zijn er helemaal geen bewijzen gevonden, ook uitgesloten. Wát blijft er dan over....IMO laat dat zich raden. Vergeet niet, dokters weten wat de doen met sporen, ook weten ze dat je de crime-scène in tact moet laten. En dat laatste is zeker niet gebeurd, vrienden (waaronder ook dokters) en zo'n beetje het halve resort is over de vloer geweest alvorens de politie arriveerde, die is pas na 40 min pas gealarmeerd.

Joana Morais (en op het 3arguidoforum) post ook een paar quotes uit het boek van Amaral:
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“The Truth of the Lie”: Release of Gonçalo Amaral’s Book on the Maddie Case with Hot Revelations

The book “The truth of the Lie" , which promises controversial revelations on the Maddie case, is launched tomorrow. The SIC reveals today the first excerpts. The work has the signature of the man who directed great part of the investigations but ended up being removed. The lawyer of the couple McCann, Rogério Alves, said to the SIC that he does not comment fiction.

Gonçalo Amaral says that he wants “to put back the good name that was vilified in the public domain" without the Judicial Police allowing his own defence.

In the first pages of the work, the author highlights since then the unusual treatment given to the couple McCann, which in the words of the inspector were treated with "tweezers".

Much was spoken also about the attitudes of Gerry and Kate McCann and Gonçalo Amaral reports several situations in which he found the coldness of the couple strange facing the tension of the investigations.

In one of the situations the inspector speaks about the mother of the child, Kate, who before the possibility to find the daughter appears bothered with the speed reached by the car of the police. [This was after a new information of a possible sighting of Madeleine was given to the police, the mother instead of being anxious looked annoyed with the entire situation]

In another case it was the father who aroused the attention of the inspectors: in the middle of a negotiation, with a possible kidnapper, the doctor “was sucking casually one lollipop while reading banalities in sites of the Internet and talking about rugby and football with one of the English police officers.”

Gonçalo Amaral believes that : "Madeleine died in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Clube, on the 3rd of May of 2007, but he does not discard the hypothesis of having been accidental."

Contacted by SIC, Rogério Alves, he refused to comment on the book by Gonçalo Amaral. “While lawyer of the family McCann, I only comment reality, I do not comment fiction", said the lawyer.

Excerpts of the book “The Truth of the Lie"

P. 11
“This book appears out of the necessity that I felt of putting back my good name that was vilified in the public domain without the PJ has allowing me to stand up for myself ”.

P. 19
“The mistake was that we treated the couple 'with tweezers'. They were treated with privileges. It is that, that is not normal”.

P. 26
“It seems that the Judiciary Police is a ‘stepmother’ [Portuguese expression, meaning the PJ as an institution was never good to its officers] with its servants, it never knew how to defend them ”.

P. 38
“It was pertinent to know if Madeleine was the biological daughter of the couple McCann, the information requested does not arrive, but the English ambassador is already arriving. It is not normal this preoccupation of the English diplomacy ”.

P. 48
“A hand print was found in the balcony window at the rear [of the apartment]. It was corresponding to one of the police elements ”. (protocol of proceedings is lacking)

(Joana legt uit: "means that the police did not get the concept of a scene of crime, they didn't use the regular procedures, like gloves, etc... which are generally used in a murder scene - no wonder anyway- the kidnap theory was the theory pushed forward even before the police arrival. It was the former British Ambassador who called the former director of the PJ pressuring the theory of abduction - that was the obliging hypothesis until the PJ Inspector coordinating the case found that it was impossible to have had occurred a kidnapping."

P. 54
Sightings:
“Kate appears bored because of having being obliged to return and bothered with the speed reached by the police car We found strange that she didn’t show signs of hope with the possibility of the girl being recovered ”.

P. 67
“The PJ should have had persons to analyse all the news, being preoccupied by what the parents and friends would say to the public opinion. What did not happen ”.

P. 68
“It is not usual that common citizens, to whom a daughter just had disappeared, nominate press advisers”

P. 71
“The English service secret already had, after the facts, the couple and the group of friends under surveillance. If that was right such an information was never accessed by the Portuguese police”

P. 81
“The medical registries (of Madeleine) requested with insistence were not given to us, due to great difficulties raised in England”.

P. 92
Attempt of extortion
"Gerry McCann was sucking casually one lollipop while he was reading banalities in sites of the Internet and was talking about rugby and football with one of the English police officers.”

Sentence of the English police officers “Do not forget that he starts cutting people in half shortly afterwards of the breakfast”.

(Joana legt uit: "as a surgeon he cuts people - it's a way of trying to explain is coldness and apathy and uninterest in the situation of extortion that was happening. a parent would not be doing this but we are talking about people who jogged and laughed, and slept all night without trouble.)

P. 165
“There were signs of death in the apartment. It was concluded that that cadaver odour could only came from Madeleine McCann”.

P. 168
“The toy had cadaver odour”

P. 214
Conclusions
“Madeleine died in the apartment 5 A on the 3rd of May of 2007
A simulation of kidnapping took place
Kate and Gerry are suspected of corpse's occultation [hiding the cadaver]
The death might have happened as a result of an accident
There are signs of negligence in the safe keeping and security of the children”

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En ook de telegraph komt met de aanklacht wegens het boek van Amaral: "The book reveals intimate details about the life of the couple in the days after their daughter's disappearance. Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "People should bear in mind that Amaral is a discredited former police officer who was removed from the case for criticising Leicestershire police. "His own Attorney General ... on Monday, made it very clear there is absolutely no proof that any criminal offence was committed by Kate or Gerry."

He accused the detective of shamelessly attempting to cash in on Madeleine's plight. "Amaral is seeking to make money out of Madeleine's situation and is seeking publicity – it's quite disgusting," he said admitting that legal advice had been taken. "The libel lawyers who are representing Kate and Gerry and their friends are assessing every word of this book very closely, and they will not hesitate from taking legal action against Amaral if any passage requires it."

Maar voor de rest zijn ze niet vies van de eventuele winst die Amaral zal maken, ondanks dat ze hem betichten van laster, geld stinkt niet, want wat zei onze brave borst eerder: "Mr Mitchell said: “It’s a great shame that Mr Amaral apparently feels the need to make money out of Madeleine’s disappearance. “We hope that any profits he makes from this book will go to the fund to find their daughter, but we are not optimistic." The Press and Journal

Waarbij even wordt vergeten dat ook is bewezen dat er geen ontvoering heeft kunnen plaatsvinden, daar heb ik ze nog niet over gehoord... alleen dat er geen onomstotelijk bewijs is of any criminal offence wordt opgepakt. Als Madeleine nog leeft waar is ze dan wel Gerry & Kate McCann, Tapas 7 en Clarence Mitchell???


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  donderdag 24 juli 2008 @ 11:46:59 #50
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Op woensdag 23 juli 2008 23:17 schreef Suko het volgende:
En ook de telegraph komt met de aanklacht wegens het boek van Amaral: "The book reveals intimate details about the life of the couple in the days after their daughter's disappearance. Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "People should bear in mind that Amaral is a discredited former police officer who was removed from the case for criticising Leicestershire police. "His own Attorney General ... on Monday, made it very clear there is absolutely no proof that any criminal offence was committed by Kate or Gerry."
Hey goedemorgen allemaal!

Wat ik begrepen heb is er geen afdoende bewijs om de McCanns aan te klagen maar zijn er wel degelijk compromiterende zaken boven komen drijven, een subtiel verschil misschien.....
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He accused the detective of shamelessly attempting to cash in on Madeleine's plight. "Amaral is seeking to make money out of Madeleine's situation and is seeking publicity – it's quite disgusting," he said admitting that legal advice had been taken. "The libel lawyers who are representing Kate and Gerry and their friends are assessing every word of this book very closely, and they will not hesitate from taking legal action against Amaral if any passage requires it."
Ik vermoed dat ze zich meer druk maken over het beeld dat er door hetboek kan ontstaan en aan alle kanten zullen proberen om hoe dan ook Amaral in diskrediet te brengen.
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Maar voor de rest zijn ze niet vies van de eventuele winst die Amaral zal maken, ondanks dat ze hem betichten van laster, geld stinkt niet, want wat zei onze brave borst eerder: "Mr Mitchell said: “It’s a great shame that Mr Amaral apparently feels the need to make money out of Madeleine’s disappearance. “We hope that any profits he makes from this book will go to the fund to find their daughter, but we are not optimistic." The Press and Journal
Waarom zou hij geld doneren? De zaak heeft hem z'n baan gekost en zijn reputatie is vernield, net wat hij zegt, als hij gewoon opschrijft wat hij heeft meegemaakt kunnen ze hem imho weinig maken.
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Waarbij even wordt vergeten dat ook is bewezen dat er geen ontvoering heeft kunnen plaatsvinden, daar heb ik ze nog niet over gehoord... alleen dat er geen onomstotelijk bewijs is of any criminal offence wordt opgepakt. Als Madeleine nog leeft waar is ze dan wel Gerry & Kate McCann, Tapas 7 en Clarence Mitchell???
Inderdaad, geen ontvoering volgens de PJ, geen schuld volgens de McCanns, hoe en wat dan? Iemand spreekt er niet de waarheid. Ik vind het nu ineens spannend worden, dat terwijl de zaak op de plank ligt.....
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  donderdag 24 juli 2008 @ 12:03:07 #51
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Hmm, dit ga ik nog eens rustig doorlezen, er staan dingen in die ik niet helemaal meteen kan plaatsen, b.v. wanneer is Maddy WOC gemaakt en waarom? Door wie?
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Madeleine McCann: Will the High Court investigate allegations relating to a Ward of Court?
The Portuguese publication Correio da Manhã, (the publication the British media and Team McCann are happy to quote when they publish "McCann-Friendly" articles but quick to deride when they don't) recently published certain allegations relating to David Payne and Gerry McCann. The same allegations are reportedly contained in the book “The truth of the lie” written by former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

Last month it was revealed that last summer, Madeleine was made a ward of court at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute.

In light of allegations involving Maddie's father as well as David Payne, will the High Court be acting in Madeleine's best interests to ensure these allegations are properly investigated by the relevant authorities and/or agencies?

According to Tiscali.reference, when a minor is made a ward of court, no important step in the child's life can then be taken without the court's leave.

As the allegations relate to Madeleine, I would have thought the High Court would have not only the desire but also the authority, to find out if there is any substance to the allegations. After all, it would be in Madeleine's best interests.

Or was the order only designed to be enforced in the case of legal disputes - such as court cases involving libel that in reality would only be in the best interests of the McCann's - the parents who made their daughter a ward of court and who are leaving no stone unturned in their quest to find people to sue.
http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)will-high-court.html
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  donderdag 24 juli 2008 @ 12:54:38 #52
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De voormalig leider van het onderzoek naar het sinds mei 2007 vermiste meisje Madeleine McCain, Goncalo Amaral, stelt dat de peuter door haar ouders begraven is in Portugal. Volgens hem zou Maddie zijn gestorven in een slaapkamer van het vakantieappartement in de Algarve waar de familie McCain verbleef.

Het boek waarin Amaral de beweringen doet is door hemzelf geschreven en komt donderdag uit. Opmerkelijk detail is dat Amaral tijdens het onderzoek werd vervangen omdat hij zijn Britse collega's beschuldigde van fraude. Zij zouden bewijsmateriaal achter hebben gehouden.

Het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Madeleine werd maandag afgesloten door de Portugese politie, waardoor de ouders geen verdachten meer zijn. Zij onderzoeken of ze stappen kunnen ondernemen tegen Amaral en zijn boek.
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Op donderdag 24 juli 2008 12:03 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Hmm, dit ga ik nog eens rustig doorlezen, er staan dingen in die ik niet helemaal meteen kan plaatsen, b.v. wanneer is Maddy WOC gemaakt en waarom? Door wie?
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Huh? Daar zijn toch al posten over geweest? Madeleine is een paar weken na de 'vermissing' Word of Court verklaard door de ouders, op advies van hun advocaten. Daarom was het mogelijk die zo gewilde 81 documenten te verlrijgen, met als smoes om verder zelf te gaan zoeken, is dat toegekend. (onder het mom van bescherming en privay van Madeliene dus geen openbare publicatie...) "The Telegraph can also disclose that Madeleine was made a ward of court last summer at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute such as the case which is about to be heard. " Hier gepost: En in dit deel van dit topic hebben we er over gepost.
Wat hebben we vandaag....:
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FROM ASTRO

Interview with Gonçalo Amaral in Correio da Manhã today

“The investigation was syndicated”

Gonçalo Amaral laments that “the investigation was syndicated”. In the first interview during which he speaks about the process, he defends that Maddie died at the Ocean Club. The book is launched in Lisbon today and promises to launch the controversy again

Correio da Manhã – As the case investigator, what is your thesis?

Gonçalo Amaral – The little girl died in the apartment. Everything is in the book, which is faithful to the investigation until September: it reflects the understanding of the Portuguese and the English police and of the Public Ministry. For all of us, until then, the concealment of the cadaver, the simulation of abduction and the exposure or abandonment were proved.

What led you to indict the McCanns over all of those crimes?

It all starts with an abduction theory that is forced by the parents. And the abduction is based on two facts: one is Jane Tanner’s testimony that says she saw a man passing in front of the apartment, carrying a child; the other is the bedroom window, which, according to Kate, was open when it should have been closed. It was proved that none of that happened.

How was it proved?

Jane Tanner is not credible: she identifies and recognizes different people. She starts with Murat, later on someone else is mentioned, according to the drawing done by a witness, and she already says that is the person, completely different from Robert Murat.

Jane Tanner’s testimony drove the abduction theory.

In order to advance into that direction, it would be necessary to give her credit: there was no other indicium of the abduction. And the issue of the bedroom window, where Maddie and her siblings slept, is vital. It leads to simulation. This means, whether or not it was open when Jane says that she saw the man carrying the child. The little girl’s mother, Kate, is the only person that mentions the open window.

Does that undo the abduction theory?

There lies the solution. To be closed or not, is a strong indicium for simulation. And why does one simulate abduction, rather than simply saying that the child has disappeared? She could have opened the door and left…

Do Kate’s fingerprints reinforce the simulation theory?

They are the only fingerprints on the window. And in a position of opening the window.

Did Kate have suspicious attitudes?

She goes out for dinner and supposedly leaves three children asleep. She returns, one is missing, she goes out, leaving the window wide open with the twins asleep. And the night, according to what she says, was very cold…

What about Maddie’s bed?

It carries no signs that anyone was in it. Nor does the chair or the bed under the window. And there are no imprints from strangers.

The reconstitution is missing.

It was not carried out 10 or 15 days after the facts, because the resort was full of tourists. We trusted that it could be carried out at a later date. It couldn’t.

Did you request data about the group?

At 8 a.m. on the 4th, the request was made to the English liaison officer, but [the data] never arrived.

What did you want to know?

Who the people are, their antecedents. And the child, whether or not there are complaints against the parents or others. How she behaved in school, to find out if she was the target of abuse.

How important is the Irish witness within the case?

He explained where he and his family had seen, at 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May, a man carrying a little girl. And it wasn’t Murat. They did not see the face, but they described the athletic and clumsy manner in which he carried the child.

That was back in May.

When the McCanns returned to England, the witness, watching Gerry get off the plane and walking across the asphalt carrying his child, had a realization. By the manner in which he walked and the clumsy way that he carries the child, he is 70 to 80 percent certain that it was the person he saw that evening. Says he and say the other members of the family.

What did you do?

On the days before I left Portimão we were taking care of that trip to Portugal. Then, the hearing of that witness was requested through a liaison officer from the Irish police in Madrid, which took months. During that time, the witness was approached by persons that are connected to the McCanns’ staff, I don’t know with what intention. They felt pressured. Later on, the hearing arrived and he maintains the probability of 70 to 80 percent that it was Gerry who carried the little girl towards the beach.

Couldn’t that have been included in the rogatory letter?

It could and it should. The ideal would have been for him to come to Portugal, as a key witness. Just like the couple of doctors that describe the situation in Mallorca.

Once the abduction theory was set apart, how was the death theory built?

With the elements that exist, we could only reach an accident, natural death, any cause without the intervention of another person. We were cementing evidence and advancing to understand what happened to the little girl’s body. Also based on information from the British lab, about residues that were found inside the car that was rented by the McCanns.

Where and how could they have hidden the body for over twenty days?

That was what we were trying to find out. Searching within their friends, because the couple had a lot of acquaintances. We tried to understand where the little girl could have been during those twenty something days.

Out of reach from the searches.

Yes. There was information that the couple had been seen walking towards a certain apartment block, we were trying to understand which apartment it was. Who had access to that apartment. But everything stopped.

How do you interpret that stopping of everything, when you left?

It almost looks as if the investigation was syndicated.

It was even said that the blood that was found was not human.

The dogs only smell human blood. The sample that is collected and taken to England, to be analysed with the Low Copy Number technique, is microscopic. The technique does not allow them to state whether it is blood or any other type of fluid – but it guarantees that it is human.

The family tried to justify itself.

Later on, a brother-in-law and a cousin of Kate said that they had carried steaks in the trunk that had thawed, even garbage, but no. The dogs follow neither garbage smell nor non-human blood. Then there is a witness, that was never heard, a jurist that lived next to the couple, in the second house [villa] outside of the apartment, saying that the car trunk was left open during the night, for airing. But maybe that was because of the garbage…

Within the theory of the parents’ involvement, can you reconstitute that night?

We had already concluded, long before the Irish witness, that if those persons were involved, there was only one possibility. It pointed towards the beach. Not only because of what [locations] they knew but also due to the terrain’s conditions. In that area, it is not easy to dig a hole. One either knows where holes already exist, or it is not possible, within a short time lapse, to decide where to place a corpse without knowing the area. If there was involvement, it would have been towards the beach area. Which is later corroborated by the Irish witness.

At the time when the Irish tourist reportedly saw Gerry, there are various witness statements that place the child’s father at the Ocean Club.

They are not credible. The employees are unable to tell at what time the persons were there, for how long each one of them stayed away when they say they went to the apartments. And the group is not credible. They say that on the previous nights, every 30 minutes, each one of them went to check only on his own children; but on that night, between 9.30 and 10 p.m., someone curiously goes to check that apartment, almost every five minutes, leaving the rest unchecked.

And what about Gerry?

He justifies some of the time with a trip to the toilet. That is not five minutes, then he meets another individual outside. Hence the need for the reconstitution. To find out how long it took them to get to the apartments, what route they walked, etc. A reconstitution that should be joint with the restaurant’s movement, because when it is said that they asked for the food from 9 p.m. onwards, there was one person who ordered a steak. And that steak was heated again because someone was not there. It is necessary to find out whose steak that was. He was away for a much longer time period…

An adult carrying a child, until the beach, how long [does it take]?

Fifteen minutes.

How was it possible for the apartment to be rented out after the crime?

The apartment was immediately fully contaminated by the parents’ action, before the police arrived. A complete fair was built there and at a certain point, dogs were demanded to come inside the house.

You admitted the possibility that the children had been given sedatives.

The twins, with the lights on, with the lights off, with a crowd of people going in and out, slept until 2 a.m., when they were carried into another apartment. Even then, they continued to sleep. That sleep is not normal.

But the Judiciária did nothing.

Once again, we were inhibited. We thought about asking the parents to test their hair, in order to understand whether there were sedatives, but as soon as it was found out, it would be said that we were suspecting the parents, and it was being avoided at all costs that it became public that those suspicions existed.

How is there room for speculation about the DNA tests? It was those results that allowed you to advance with the arguido status.

The speculation is done by the scientist who performs the test. He starts out by saying, in his preliminary report, that it was easy to say that it was Maddie. Then he raised other questions. Of course nobody can be accused, based on that data alone.

“The cadaver was frozen”

Correio da Manhã - What do you think happened to the body?

Gonçalo Amaral – Everything indicated that the body, after having been at a certain location, was moved into another location by car, twenty something days later. With the residues that were found inside the car, the little girl had to have been transported inside it.

How can you state that?

Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there.

If the body was hidden in the beach area first, was it always out of reach for the searches?

The beach was searched at a time when it is not known whether the body was still there. Using dogs, but sniffer dogs have limitations, like the salted water, for example. Later on, it may have been removed.

“We should have done phone tapping”

Correio da Manhã – Did you feel political pressure during the investigation?

G.A. – Inhibition. One of the mistakes was that we did not advance on this group with everything that legally was within our reach: Tapping, surveillance. It was necessary, for example, to recover the clothes that the little girl was wearing when she left the crèche to go home. There, we thought: if we go, it will immediately be said that we suspect the parents. That inhibition happened throughout time.

And that led you towards the abduction.

We had to prove that there was no abduction, in order to focus on those persons afterwards…

How does the pressure appear?

Right on the morning of the 4th of May, with a consul calling the embassy and saying that the PJ wasn’t doing anything. Then an ambassador. Next, an advisor and the English prime minister.

“Payne is the last one to see her”

Correio da Manhã – When do testimonies concerning David Payne’s behaviour indicating sexual practices with minors arrive?

Gonçalo Amaral – In May. Something went wrong with that group during a holiday: David Payne made revealing gestures concerning behaviour towards children. Even towards Maddie. We asked for information but it arrived after the 26th of October. They sent the information without giving it any importance.

What exactly did arrive?

A couple of doctors spent holidays in Mallorca, in 2005, with David Payne, the McCanns and another couple. The lady says she saw Payne with his finger in his mouth, making a movement in and out, while rubbing his nipple with the other hand. And he was talking about Maddie, next to her father. Those statements should have been given a different treatment by the police. It was relevant to access the information, about doctors, who are just as credible as anyone else.

What else remains unclear concerning David Payne?

He will be the last one to see Maddie alive after 5.30 p.m., when she leaves the crèche. He meets Gerry playing tennis and asks him about Kate and the children. Gerry answers that they are in the apartment and he goes there. He returns 30 minutes later. Kate says it was 30 seconds. There is something not quite right here.

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Pre-publication

The evidence and the results of the case

“Arriving this far, it is important to make a deductive summary about this case. Which means, to reject what is false; to set aside what cannot be proved, because it is insufficient; to consider as valid and certain what has been proved.

What is proved

Therefore:

1. The abduction theory is defended by Maddie’s parents since the first moment;

2. Within the group, only her parents stated that they observed the open window in the missing girl’s bedroom; the majority cannot witness it faithfully because they arrived at the apartment after the alarm was raised;

3. The only statement outside of the group that mentions the open window and the raised shutters comes from Amy, one of the Ocean Club’s nannies, who points her observation towards 10.20/10.30 p.m., which is some time after the alarm was raised and does not prove that it was open like that at the time when the crime happened;

4. The set of depositions and witness statements exposes a high number of imprecision, incongruence and contradictions – which, in some cases, may be typified as false testimonies. In particular, the key statement for the abduction theory, from Jane Tanner, which loses all credibility due to the fact that it successively evolved throughout various moments in time, becoming ambiguous and disqualifying itself;

5. There is a cadaver that has not been located, a conclusion that is validated by the English EVRD and CSI dogs and corroborated by the preliminary lab test results.

Certainties until October

“For me, and for the investigators that worked with me on the case until October 2007, the results that we reached were the following: 1. The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007; 2. An abduction was simulated; 3. Kate Healy and Gerald McCann are suspected of involvement in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver; 4. Death may have resulted from a tragic accident; 5. There is indicia of neglect in the guard and safety of the children.”

“Decisive diligence was never carried out”

“The Smith family [Irish witnesses] is available to make a formal recognition. We had already contacted the Smith family, from Ireland, whose patriarch was prepared to travel to the Algarve, to give a new statement and for a formal recognition […] following the recognition that he had made on television of the man who on the 3rd of May, in Vila da Luz, walked towards the beach carrying a little girl, a little girl that they had recognized as being Madeleine McCann.

The man that the Smith were talking about was, with a high degree of certainty, Gerald McCann, who they had seen on the English television news, on the day that the McCann couple returned [on their definitive trip] to the United Kingdom. That man that came down the airplane stairs and walked on the asphalt, carrying a child, was apparently the same man who, on the evening of the 3rd of May, walked into the direction of the beach, carrying Madeleine, who seemed to be deeply asleep.

When the situation was presented to the National Director of the Polícia Judiciária [Alípio Ribeiro at that time], he agreed with what was being suggested to him, [namely] the coming to the Algarve, at our expenses, of the elements of the Smith family that were able to testify the facts.”

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McCanns erased all the telephone calls

The calls on the couple’s mobile phones were erased, with the exception, in Kate’s case, of a call from her husband at 11.17 on that night of the 3rd of May, minutes after the disappearance was known. But this call is not registered on the mobile phone that belongs to Gerry, who erased all the phone calls of that day, presumably after he called Kate at that time. This fact, that was never clarified in terms of its motivation, intrigued the investigators.
Source: Correio da Manhã, 24.07.2008, paper edition Geplaatst op de site van Joana Morais en het 3arguidoforum. Gaan we straks lezen...

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Anyway, iemand heeft de moeite genomen het boek van Amaral ‘Truth of the Lie’ voor een groot gedeelte te vertalen. Charlotte schrijft: "Although I try my best with translating Portuguese into English, I am far from an expert. My inexperience may end up with either losing or adding words through mistranslation. The danger is that I may inadvertently alter the correct meaning of what Mr Amaral is reporting in his book.

Cláudia has bought a copy and is putting a great deal of time and effort into translating the relevant points on her blog (far more trustworthy than my attempts): Link: Proud of the PJ" Verder wat reacties op het 3arguidoforum

Ik heb nu het eerste deel gelezenm en net ook het interview met Amaral, en al eerder het summiere eindrapport van de PJ en ik moet zeggen dat ik het schokkend vind. Uit eerste hand, copper Amaral zat er vanaf het begin bovenop, valt te lezen hoe het onderzoek in Portugal is tegengewerkt en hoeveel bevindingen zijn weggewerkt, niet nader kunnen onderzoeken, kortom een aaneenschakeling van gebeurtenissen wat doet vermoeden dat er heel wat te verbergen valt. Verder valt op dat met name de Daily Express in het eerste half jaar met artikelen kwam (nu allemaal verdwenen) die nu deels heel anders lezen en dus niet voor niks de mond werd gesnoerd, inclusief een dikke schadevergoeding voor de McCanns. Wat een ongelofelijke beerput moet er verstopt worden....en dan denk ik inderdaad aan sexueel misbruik van een aantal personen. Niet voor niks mocht de PJ niet het Britse register van pedo's inzien voor nader onderzoek. Teveel om op te noemen wat er niet kon en mocht onderzocht worden. I'm totally flabbergasted en dan moet ik de rest van de vertaling nog lezen....

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Ready for a fight?! Er zit voor de McCanns ook niks anders op IMO, als ze geen actie ondernemen, dan is het al gauw, wie zwijgt stemt toe, nu ze dat wel doen ben ik heel benieuwd hoe dit gaat verlopen, wáár liegt Amaral, en hoe willen ze bloggers aanpakken en weet je veel welke internet-gebruikers nog meer... Gosh, hopelijk wordt het in een openbaar uitgevochten, of wordt het achter gesloten deuren 'geregeld.' ? Maar iig is het big time voor Amaral, gratis reclame....The gloves are ON!
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McCanns to sue cop over book
By VERONICA LORRAINE The Sun
Published: 25 Jul 2008

DEVASTATED Kate and Gerry McCann are to launch a legal blitz in Portugal after the publication of a scandalous book about the disappearance of their daughter Maddie.

In The Truth Behind The Lie, ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral details ludicrous allegations about the couple and the pals they dined with when Maddie vanished in Portugal last year. The McCanns plan to take action against Amaral, Portuguese newspapers which reprinted parts of the £10 book and bloggers who discussed it.

A source close to the family said last night: “The gloves are off. Amaral has over-stepped the mark and they feel they have been left with no choice. Enough is enough. “The lawyers are looking at pretty much everything.”

In the book, Amaral, 48, claims that cops suspected Kate and Gerry almost as soon as Maddie, now five, vanished in the Algarve. He also makes a serious allegation against one of their “Tapas 7” dining pals.

Earlier this week, Kate and Gerry, both 40 of Rothley, Leics, were officially cleared of any involvement in the case. Amaral, who was taken off the investigation last October, said last night: “This book is not revenge, it is not persecution. We can discuss the case in court if they want.”
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  vrijdag 25 juli 2008 @ 11:58:59 #56
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Goedemorgen!

Inderdaad Suko, wat een raar gevoel krijg je van die vertalingen van het boek van Amaral, er wordt in het rondje Anorak van vandaag ook druk gespeculeerd wie er nu aangeklaagd gaan worden....
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Madeleine McCann: Suing Amaral, Mark Lawson’s Fact And Fiction, And Bloggers Beware
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

THE GUARDIAN: “The Panama Mystery - Mr and Mrs Canoe’s case fascinates but can’t match crime fiction’s satisfying motives and denouement”

Mark Lawson does so love a good ending to a work of fiction and fact. A super-fiction. Take care you don’t confuse the two.

In his piece Lawson name checks them all: John and Anne Darwin, Radovan Karadzic, Fred and Rose West, Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, Ian Huntley, Harold Shipman and…

As the trial was coming to a close, I was at the Harrogate Crime-Writing Festival, and newspapers were reporting the latest developments in the Madeleine McCann case.


Bingo! Where were you?

One of the reasons for the huge popularity of crime fiction is that the genre explores, in a sanitised environment, the fear and prurient fascination we feel when faced with murders and abductions. Real-life criminality and fiction have become a loop, communicating with each other: several of the books discussed at Harrogate featured missing children; in two years, expect a slew of novels about husbands and wives who mysteriously disappear.

Can you tell the difference between fact and fiction? Now read on…

THE SUN: “McCanns to sue cop over book”.

DEVASTATED Kate and Gerry McCann are to launch a legal blitz in Portugal after the publication of a scandalous book about the disappearance of their daughter Maddie.

In The Truth Behind The Lie, ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral details ludicrous allegations about the couple and the pals they dined with when Maddie vanished in Portugal last year.

Who gets sued?

The McCanns plan to take action against Amaral, Portuguese newspapers which reprinted parts of the £10 book and bloggers who discussed it.

Anorak did not discuss the book’s merit. We did not reproduce a single quote from the book. But can bloggers who did be sued effectively? Many are men and women of straw. What can the outcome be? Best for bloggers, perhaps, to avoid the matter? Or get a crack moderation team – like Anorak. But what, then , of freedom of speech?

Says Amaral: “This book is not revenge, it is not persecution. We can discuss the case in court if they want.”

In the context of a libel case, they might well…

DAILY MAIL: “We failed, says Maddie police chief… but he refuses to apologise to her parents”

Says Amaral: “’There will be no apology, I was just doing my job.”

As a writer…?

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann case: Portuguese police admit failings

The police detective who led the search for Madeleine McCann has admitted that there were some failings in the investigation but refused to accept responsibility for not solving the case…

Several hundred people queued up to collect copies of “Maddie The truth of the Lie” and many congratulated Mr Amaral for his courage to speak out.


BELFAST TELEGRPAH: “McCann case detective’s book to get English translation”

Who will review it if it published in the UK?

THE HERALD: “Sympathy for McCanns must be tempered”

Letters to the editor:

How kind Colette Douglas Home is to Gerry and Kate McCann (Comment, July 22). She uses many column inches pouring scorn on the Portuguese police (perhaps justifiably, I don’t know), showering Gerry and Kate with sympathy (I, too, feel for them), but only makes passing reference to the action that, had it not happened, would have prevented this heartbreaking event from occurring in the first place.
This is clearly their “decision to leave her sleeping while they met friends for dinner”.
- Allistair Matheson, Selkirk.

Colette’s opinion - that Gerry McCann is handsome and Kate McCann beautiful - is irrelevant. The eye of the beholder? Colette states: “And they will always carry the burden of their decision to leave her sleeping while they met friends for dinner.” What kind of parents, in a foreign land, needlessly leave their child, not yet four years old, asleep without a child-minder and out of sound or sight, while they indulge themselves with their friends?

The McCanns deserve all the anguish they brought upon themselves through poor judgment, and not endless public sympathy. Madeleine is the victim. I hope and pray that she is unharmed and is being looked after in loving care, however wrongfully.
- Donald C Irving, Ayr.


And on it goes…
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/186347.html
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  vrijdag 25 juli 2008 @ 12:04:29 #57
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Op donderdag 24 juli 2008 18:10 schreef Suko het volgende:

Huh? Daar zijn toch al posten over geweest? Madeleine is een paar weken na de 'vermissing' Word of Court verklaard door de ouders, op advies van hun advocaten. Daarom was het mogelijk die zo gewilde 81 documenten te verlrijgen, met als smoes om verder zelf te gaan zoeken, is dat toegekend. (onder het mom van bescherming en privay van Madeliene dus geen openbare publicatie...) "The Telegraph can also disclose that Madeleine was made a ward of court last summer at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute such as the case which is about to be heard. " Hier gepost: En in dit deel van dit topic hebben we er over gepost.


Ja, er zijn idd posts over geweest, na die uitspraken van die Judge ben ik niet helemaal zeker over de motieven, het valt allemaal iets te mooi in elkaar, die 81 bewijsstukken die zomaar opgeeist konden worden, het feit dat de pers een gagorder had, ik begin steeds meer te vermoeden dat dit vantevoren geregisseerd was net als een heleboel andere dingen.
Bijvoorbeeld dat de McCanns dit niet zelf hebben bedacht maar dat het ze is ingefluisterd, dat zou heel kwalijk zijn, een slachtoffer ward of court maken om de ouders te beschermen tegen het onderzoek naar hen.
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Hajo Kahaarin. Ik was al overtuigd maar keer op keer word ik daarin bevestigd, het stinkt enorm, en volgens mij knijpen ze 'm daar in Rotley. Inderdaad geregisseerd, maar verloopt alles wel zoals ze hadden gepland....? Nu weer het volgende, bron:

Correio da Manhã. is kennelijk op oorlogspad, na wat stukken uit het boek van Amaral+interview komt de krant nu met een verhaal over die Spaanse PI's Metodo 3, ingehuurd door de McCanns voor enorme bedragen.
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“McCann's detectives suspects of attempted murder”

Private investigators hired by the McCann are being investigated by the Polícia Judiciária department of Faro for suspected extortion and attempted murder, according to Correio da Manhã. The case involves a former inmate who was paid by detectives from Método 3 to give informations that he allegedly obtained, while in jail, from João Cipriano, the uncle of Joana Cipriano.

The crime inquiry is related with events from several months ago, when detectives from Metodo 3 paid an undisclosed amount of money to the former inmate, who claimed to have important information about Joana and Madeleine McCann. The source of this information was João Cipriano, the uncle of Joana, jailed for 16 years, like his sister, Joana's mother, for the murder of the child, whose body never appeared.

When both men where on jail, João Cipriano allegedly told the other man he had recent pictures of Joana, who disappeared four years ago, from a small village also in Algarve. But he never gave Metodo 3 detectives any pictures or the details concerning Madeleine McCann.

Later, the former inmate complained to PJ, accusing the detectives of harassment and alleged murder attempt, claiming the private investigators tried to run over him with a car.

After Madeleine disappeared, many reports from British Media connected the two cases, sometimes quoting relatives from Cipriano family, or former police experts like Mark William-Thomas, who told Sky News that “the answer to the case may lie in the disappearance of an eight-year-old Portuguese girl in 2004.” The Sun interviewed Leonor Cipriano's husband who said he was “worried Kate will be framed for a crime she did not commit, the way it happened to my wife.”

Goncalo Amaral was also in charge of the investigation and has been accused of concealing evidence that the mother Joana Cipriano, was beaten by PJ officers, to make her confess the crime. British newspapers were quick to compare both situations, and the Daily Mail even wrote that Amaral was set to face trial for torturing the mother of another missing girl.”

This is not the first time detectives from Metodo 3 have troubles with police. On February, Antonio J.R. was arrested and accused of being implicated in the theft of 400 kg of cocaine, when he was inspector in Barcelona's police force. Another Metodo 3 detective has paid witnesses in Morocco, in exchange of statements from them saying they have seen Madeleine McCann in that country.
Eerder was in het eindrapport al te lezen (en in het boek van Amaral) dat mogelijk Metodo 3 de Ierse getuige Mr. Smith had bezocht toen bekend werd dat hij en z'n familie Gerry McCann op het strand had gezien met Madeleine en later herkende de familie Gerry toen hij van de vliegtuig-trap liep met één van de tweeling. Tjonge, die familie Smith mag wel persoonlijke beveiliging nemen, áls ze dat al niet gedaan hebben....
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“Decisive diligence was never carried out” (eerdere post)

“The Smith family [Irish witnesses] is available to make a formal recognition. We had already contacted the Smith family, from Ireland, whose patriarch was prepared to travel to the Algarve, to give a new statement and for a formal recognition […] following the recognition that he had made on television of the man who on the 3rd of May, in Vila da Luz, walked towards the beach carrying a little girl, a little girl that they had recognized as being Madeleine McCann.

The man that the Smith were talking about was, with a high degree of certainty, Gerald McCann, who they had seen on the English television news, on the day that the McCann couple returned [on their definitive trip] to the United Kingdom. That man that came down the airplane stairs and walked on the asphalt, carrying a child, was apparently the same man who, on the evening of the 3rd of May, walked into the direction of the beach, carrying Madeleine, who seemed to be deeply asleep.

When the situation was presented to the National Director of the Polícia Judiciária [Alípio Ribeiro at that time], he agreed with what was being suggested to him, [namely] the coming to the Algarve, at our expenses, of the elements of the Smith family that were able to testify the facts.”
Snipper uit Amaral's boek:"The McCanns go back to England and when they arrive and go down the plane's steps Mr Smith in Ireland regonises Gerry as the mand he had nseen carrying a child on that night. He contacts the police when his return to Portugal is being taken care of when Mr Amaral is pushed from the investigation. Afterwards, the next person in charge for the case decides that Mr Smith can be interviewed in his country through a rogatory letter. We all know that nothing happened."

(Eerder over die Mr. Smith: hier en hier. Zou best eens kunnen dat Mr. Smith is bezocht door Metodo 3, iets wat Clarence Mitchell al in z'n hoofd had: "A spokesman for the McCanns said detectives from the Spanish agency hired to investigate the case are now hoping to speak to the Smiths. Retired Mr Smith, 58, does not wish to appear on camera in order to protect his family from media intrusion." Sky News Monday April 07, 2008 Missing Madeleine McCann: Irish Witness 'Clears' Murat Kan best zijn dat de fout niet alleen bij het verhoor-verzoek ligt maar dat Mr. Smith is 'silenced'... )

In mijn optiek is het allemaal overgoten met crimineel gedrag van de bovenste plank, eigenlijk door alle partijen. Wat dachten we van vette fraude nu eigenlijk wel duidelijk is dat Madeleine niet meer leeft en zelfs Kate dat vorig jaar heeft geuit en dan toch geld vragen voor het fonds???? Uit Amaral's boek: "The McCanns ask for Mr Krugel, the south african body finder to come to PDL. Both police forces thought the idea was a bit ridiculous but didn't want to be accused of not doing everything. The couple would now admit that Madeleine could be dead unlike what they were publicly and still are claiming. The are where Krugel said Madeleine0s body would be had already been searched by GNR and its dogs but it was searched again. Nothing was found."

Misschien is het wel goed geweest dat de PJ de zaak nu even heeft losgelaten, nou ja voor het gezicht dan, je kan er donder op zeggen dat achter de schermen er wordt doorgewerkt. Laat de rotzooi maar naar buiten komen, dit alles in het kader van: "waar is Madeleine en wat is er met haar gebeurd." Ik heb nog veel meer wetenswaardigheden/feitjes gelezen, stukje bij beetje wordt de beerput geopend....het is nog lang niet gedaan, no way!

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  vrijdag 25 juli 2008 @ 13:41:24 #59
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quote:
Op vrijdag 25 juli 2008 12:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hajo Kahaarin. Ik was al overtuigd maar keer op keer word ik daarin bevestigd, het stinkt enorm, en volgens mij knijpen ze 'm daar in Rotley. Inderdaad geregisseerd, maar verloopt alles wel zoals ze hadden gepland....? Nu weer het volgende, bron:

Correio da Manhã. is kennelijk op oorlogspad, na wat stukken uit het boek van Amaral+interview komt de krant nu met een verhaal over die Spaanse PI's Metodo 3, ingehuurd door de McCanns voor enorme bedragen.
Niet alleen, de McCanns hebben ook wat te zeggen:
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http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=21158631&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393
LAWYERS TRANSLATE BOOK ON MADELEINE CASE

10:30 - 25 July 2008

Lawyers acting for the McCann family are translating into English a controversial book by the former detective in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation.

Goncalo Amaral's book was published yesterday in Portugal and contains his assertion that Madeleine died in her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz.

Publishers Guerra e Paz told the Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias yesterday that the book would be translated, although no firm date or distribution deal has been agreed.

The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said extracts from the book published online had already been translated.

The McCanns' legal team have also begun translating the work, entitled A Verdade da Mentira (The Truth Of The Lie).

Mr Mitchell said: "The fact that it is being translated makes no difference.

"Every single word is being looked at by our lawyers and they will not hesitate to take swift legal action if any passage requires it.

"He is a discredited, former Portuguese police officer who was removed from the Madeleine case and is directly at odds with the Portuguese attorney general, who made it extremely clear on Monday that Kate and Gerry are innocent of any crime.

"On top of that, he is seeking to make money out of Madeleine, which is despicable."

He said it was not the family's intention to give the book any publicity.

Mr Amaral was removed from the case in October after reportedly criticising British police. He claims they held back a potentially important lead for six months and questioned their relationship with the McCanns.

Leicestershire Police did not want to comment on Mr Amaral's allegations.
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Eerder was in het eindrapport al te lezen (en in het boek van Amaral) dat mogelijk Metodo 3 de Ierse getuige Mr. Smith had bezocht toen bekend werd dat hij en z'n familie Gerry McCann op het strand had gezien met Madeleine en later herkende de familie Gerry toen hij van de vliegtuig-trap liep met één van de tweeling. Tjonge, die familie Smith mag wel persoonlijke beveiliging nemen, áls ze dat al niet gedaan hebben....
Ik hoop echt dat dhr. Smith een beetje in de gaten wordt gehouden idd.
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Snipper uit Amaral's boek:"The McCanns go back to England and when they arrive and go down the plane's steps Mr Smith in Ireland regonises Gerry as the mand he had nseen carrying a child on that night. He contacts the police when his return to Portugal is being taken care of when Mr Amaral is pushed from the investigation. Afterwards, the next person in charge for the case decides that Mr Smith can be interviewed in his country through a rogatory letter. We all know that nothing happened."

(Eerder over die Mr. Smith: hier en hier. Zou best eens kunnen dat Mr. Smith is bezocht door Metodo 3, iets wat Clarence Mitchell al in z'n hoofd had: "A spokesman for the McCanns said detectives from the Spanish agency hired to investigate the case are now hoping to speak to the Smiths. Retired Mr Smith, 58, does not wish to appear on camera in order to protect his family from media intrusion." Sky News Monday April 07, 2008 Missing Madeleine McCann: Irish Witness 'Clears' Murat Kan best zijn dat de fout niet alleen bij het verhoor-verzoek ligt maar dat Mr. Smith is 'silenced'... )
We hebben al eerder gezien dat Metodo3 voor niets terugdeinst als ze denken er een zaak mee op te kunnen lossen toch?
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In mijn optiek is het allemaal overgoten met crimineel gedrag van de bovenste plank, eigenlijk door alle partijen. Wat dachten we van vette fraude nu eigenlijk wel duidelijk is dat Madeleine niet meer leeft en zelfs Kate dat vorig jaar heeft geuit en dan toch geld vragen voor het fonds???? Uit Amaral's boek: "The McCanns ask for Mr Krugel, the south african body finder to come to PDL. Both police forces thought the idea was a bit ridiculous but didn't want to be accused of not doing everything. The couple would now admit that Madeleine could be dead unlike what they were publicly and still are claiming. The are where Krugel said Madeleine0s body would be had already been searched by GNR and its dogs but it was searched again. Nothing was found."

Misschien is het wel goed geweest dat de PJ de zaak nu even heeft losgelaten, nou ja voor het gezicht dan, je kan er donder op zeggen dat achter de schermen er wordt doorgewerkt. Laat de rotzooi maar naar buiten komen, dit alles in het kader van: "waar is Madeleine en wat is er met haar gebeurd." Ik heb nog veel meer wetenswaardigheden/feitjes gelezen, stukje bij beetje wordt de beerput geopend....het is nog lang niet gedaan, no way!
Dat was mijn eerste gedachte ook, laat het maar lekker even in de kast en onderzoek op je gemak alle feiten nog maar eens.
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Niet alleen, de McCanns hebben ook wat te zeggen:
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Ik hoop echt dat dhr. Smith een beetje in de gaten wordt gehouden idd.
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We hebben al eerder gezien dat Metodo3 voor niets terugdeinst als ze denken er een zaak mee op te kunnen lossen toch?
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Dat was mijn eerste gedachte ook, laat het maar lekker even in de kast en onderzoek op je gemak alle feiten nog maar eens.
Nou volgens The Sun gaat er al ge-sued worden, weliswaar volgens een source dan, totdat Clarence Mitchell dit heeft verklaard zal het wel (nog) niet waar zijn, want hij zegt altijd de 'waarheid.' Yeah, Metodo 3, voor als er iets valt op te ruimen, voor als men verlegen zit om een 'bezoekje', voor al uw zwart-geld, voor al uw coke-transportjes, voor al uw getuigennisjes voor een quick buck, voor uw vermiste kindje > is echt voor/met kerst thuis...kortom, van alle markten thuis en over de prijs worden we het wel eens...

Nu we het toch over The Sun hebben, in datzelfde bericht stond dat mogelijk ook Bloggers worden aangepakt indien ze het boek van Amaral bespreken, wat schrijft de altijd subtiele maar ook scherpe blogster Charlotte hierover, ik kan wel de link alleen geven maar wie weet is zij en een aantal bloggers plotseling verdwenen...:
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I don’t normally quote from the Sun newspaper for obvious reasons but I will today ....

....According to the Sun:

“The McCanns plan to take action against Amaral, Portuguese newspapers which reprinted parts of the £10 book and bloggers who discussed it.”

I did mention in my previous post that the Mr and Mrs McCann have become ‘libel-happy.’ You have to wonder just where this will all stop. What ever next? You can discuss conspiracy theories with regard the governments of the world, you can discuss the possible guilt or innocence of Michael Jackson's case and you can discuss the possible guilt or innocence of anyone else, but you cannot discuss the McCanns.

However, you can discuss the McCanns providing it is only in a positive light:

Mrs McCann did not add that there was a breeze that closed the door as an afterthought.

Mr McCann did not add that he thought there was someone in the apartment when he checked on the children as an afterthought.

There’s a plausible explanation as to why Jane Tanner changed her description of the apparent ‘abductor’ from carrying a bundle in a blanket that could have been a child, to carrying a child across his arms wearing pyjamas with a pinky hue.

There’s a plausible explanation as to why Jane Tanner explained the ‘abductor’ was heading towards the beach then later changed that to heading in the direction of Mr Murat’s residence.

Jane Tanner could not describe the face of the abductor in her statement to the police but there is probably a plausible explanation as to how she is 80% sure that the extremely detailed face of the person apparently seen by Gail Cooper was the man that Jane Tanner had also seen.

Mr McCann mentioned that the children could have been sedated by the ‘abductor’ after people wondered why the twins slept through all the commotion because he genuinely believes that.

Kate McCann was telling the truth that Cuddle cat was put on a high shelf and reports that there was no high shelf in the children’s bedroom is a myth.

The British sniffer dogs have framed them

The Portuguese police have framed them

Anyone who suspects they had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance will be sued because this is the way that the McCanns can prove their innocence.

Anyone who repeats the work of Mr Amaral’s book will be sued because this is the way the McCanns can prove he’s lying.

British people want to buy Mr Amaral's book because they wish to discredit his work, not because they want to know why the McCanns want to sue him.

Team McCann, the McCanns or sources close to the McCanns have not slated the Portuguese police in anyway

There’s a plausible explanation as to why some of the Tapas9 group pointed the finger at Mr Murat as hanging around 5A apartment in Praia da Luz.

There’s a plausible explanation why other people, other than the McCanns, did not see Madeleine after 5:30pm on May 3rd 2007.

Portuguese police, Mr Amaral and anyone else in authority who may suggest that the McCanns had something to do with Madeleine’s disappearance are liars.

There’s a plausible explanation why the McCanns are the only ones to immediately believe that Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile gang rather than walk out of the apartment looking for her parents.

There were details to suggest that a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine.

Metodo3 have done everything they can to locate Madeleine.

There was a plausible explanation for Metodo3 to state that they know where Madeleine is, who has her and will have her home by Christmas [2007]

The McCanns have used the fund money for finding Madeleine (and only two mortgage payments) and have nothing to hide, therefore they will be able to release audits of the fund.

Most missing children have been taken and/or died at the hands of family members, friends or someone the child knew but this does not apply to the McCanns because Madeleine was abducted.

In every case of missing children the parents are scrutinised first by police but this does not apply to the McCanns because they said they knew Madeleine had been abducted.

Portugal does not have the lowest rate of missing children

The McCanns have a plausible explanation why they decided to hire the best lawyers (including a lawyer who specialises in extradition) money can buy as soon as they were made arguido’s .

There are plausible explanation for any inconsistencies in the Tapas9 statements

The McCanns want to stop any negative talk about them because they have nothing to hide.

The British sniffer/cadaver dogs signalled:

*Two items of clothing belonging to Mrs McCann

*One item of clothing belonging to Madeleine

*The key of their rented car

*On Cuddle cat

*In the boot of the hire car

*Behind the sofa in the living room of their rented apartment

*Beside the wardrobe in the McCanns bedroom

*In the flowerbed outside

Because the McCanns were being framed but not sure by who (the British dogs? The British dog handlers? Portuguese police?)

Kate McCann, a (two-day?) part time GP, was in contact with 6 dead bodies prior to the holiday

Kate McCann took Madeleine’s favourite toy from Madeleine to take to work when Kate McCann was in contact with 6 corpses.

The highly trained cadaver/sniffer dogs mistook the ‘scent of death’ for rotting meat or dirty nappies.

The blood in the boot of the hire car came from a cloth they had mopped Madeleine’s knee with when she grazed it on the stairs leading up to the plane.

DNA was transferred to the boot of the hire car by Madeleine’s sandals and/or the twins nappies, toys etc.

Kate McCann washed Cuddlecat because it was grubby and was probably hurt with the thought that this may wash away Madeline’s scent.

Kate McCann carried the toy everywhere with her because it helped her to feel close to Madeleine, not because it was being used as a prop or that this may transfer her DNA/scent to the cat.

The McCanns are devout Catholics - Kate McCann's mother, Mrs Healy, was lying when she said in an interview that Gerry and Kate are not.

The McCanns were within the bounds of responsible parenting for leaving their children alone every night because they believed it was a safe environment.

The McCanns knew that the children would not wake while in the apartment alone (because they’re heavy sleepers) and therefore they would not get into difficulties or go looking for their parents or hurt themselves between the 20 minute checks.

Mr Mitchell’s statement that most parents leave their children alone must be true and was not said merely to excuse the McCanns.

The abductor broke in, sedated the children and took Madeleine in the small window of opportunity noted by Kate McCann.

All witness sightings are genuine (suggestions that it was for the purpose of distracting the investigation is lies) and now that the McCanns arguido status has been lifted and the Portuguese police have shelved the case the sightings will continue.

The McCanns only take libel action where ever possible because of lies being told about them.

The McCanns are not selfish and understand that they cannot keep relying on the generosity of the public and may sell their home and downsize so that they can add their own money to the public donations and libel monies in their fund.

The McCanns previously stated that they wanted their arguido status lifted so that they could return to Portugal to renew awareness of Madeleine and now that their wish has been granted they will consider going to Portugal but not yet.

Gerry McCann has not contradicted his statement that “libel is secondary to finding Madeleine” by remaining in England to sue the next available person.

Metodo3 have worked tirelessly in the search for Madeleine and earned their £50,000 per month wages and £8,000 retainer. And perhaps audits may be released to prove this now.

There was an £80,000 poster campaign and there is probably a plausible explanation as to why there was no media or photographs to record the huge and important campaign being put in place.
Het is even weer een 'zit' maar het geeft ook een aardig overzichtje van het een en ander aan uitspraken van de McConns...En verder meldt Paulo Reis dat ook Spanje een pedo-paradijs is, het 'verhaaltje' zelf lezen maar deze snipper verklaard idd de schijnheiligheid van de Britten:
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After Madeleine McCann disappeared from Algarve, British Media published stories about the lack of control and the lenient punishment, from Portuguese authorities, concerning sexual offenders. Daily Mail even had a story about “Why Portugal is a haven for paedophiles - the disturbing backcloth to the Madeleine case.” Well, it seems that it's not only Portugal, the Spanish also may have a problem with Judges and sexual offenders. But what is curious is British newspapers reporting that British paedophiles are allowed to travel to Portugal and Portuguese police is not informed of that. Exporting a problem?"
Om uit je vel te springen, dat de PJ geen inzage kreeg in de sex offenders register (wegens privacy) in de UK om de achtergronden te weten van bepaalde figuren...

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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 25-07-2008 20:40:08 (typo's) ]
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De hoogste tijd voor een mening van de Portugese blogster Joana Morais, zij en een aantal andere Portugese posters houden ons lezers buiten hun eigen land dag in dag uit op de hoogte van de zaak Madeleine McCann, wat voor nieuws hadden wij anders gelezen dan wat de Britse propaganda-pers (wat zich journalistiek noemt) ons dagelijks voorschotelt??? Haar verhaal is hier te lezen > McCanns's Censure Portuguese Democracy and Freedom of Speech

Maar niet alleen Joana Morais heeft schoon genoeg van de McCanns die mensen de mond willen snoeren, zie ook het prachtstuk van Charlotte, ook Eduardo Dâmaso, Director-Adjunto van de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã heeft een en ander op te merken wat betreft Clarence Mitchell: bron:
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Clarence Mitchell Correio da Manhã

Day by day
Eduardo Dâmaso, Director-Adjunto
26 July 2008 - 00h30

Provisional translation:

The spokesman of the McCann family is a shark accustomed to move within the British politics. He knows how to dose the words and choose the moments to make theatrical - as in that hilarious episode in which he allowed to be filmed while having an alleged telephone conversation with the couple - and in others, where the communication is serious.

Yesterday, halfway between the theatricality and seriousness, he threatened the newspapers that have reproduced the book of Gonçalo Amaral with civil processes. "Either they are very brave or very stupid!" said Mitchell. It's neither one, nor the other. In Portugal - it is believed ... -- Still exists the freedom of expression, and without offending anyone, you can still write and say things different from what it is said by the McCann's and Mr. Mitchell. One can still write about the doubts that an investigation raises. One can still say, presumably, that a filing is far from being a declaration of acquittal. Mr. Mitchell would like to cast a mantle of silence on the subject but that will be quite impossible for him. Mr. Mitchell, incidentally, is the one who owns something to silence. At least, that would be advisable in his quality of witness - but, in this matter, the Portuguese authorities are very generous, especially when it concerns British subjects...
Zo, die zit... En verder komt er nog een artikel uit dezelfde krant wat momenteel nog wordt vertaald door Joana Morais, alvast een voorproefje van Nigel:
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Kate forced political pressure Correio da Manhã

CM reveals secrets of the Maddie Case

26 July 2008

"Increase the political pressure". The phrase, from Kate McCann, written in the notes found in her house, and that the PJ apprehended, clarify on how Maddie's parents intended to manage the disappearance of their daughter, putting it in the front pages of the media. and transforming it into a case with political contours.

Read all the details in Saturday's edition of Correio da Manhã.

Other headlines:

Gordon Brown: Phoned twice on the way to Fátima

London Diplomacy organised trips for McCanns
Gisteravond had Netwerk een reportage over deze kwestie en ook over Amaral, was niet eens slecht te noemen gezien het feit dat Madeleine niet zo veel aandacht krijgt in Nederland. Hier is de reportage te zien > http://www.netwerk.tv/

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Site Admin bjr, van het 3arguidoforum:
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"Due to the change in circumstances with regards to the McCann case, we have held a meeting and we are closing the following forums down to registered members only. These forums are Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's voice Forum, The Reference Forum, Justice for Maddy Forum and the Translations Forum. All other forums will be open to viewing for guests. We have also decided to delete all zero posters. Please could all those that join make at least one post otherwise your account will be deemed as inactive and will be deleted. This will be done over the course of today and all members will now have to log in to view or post on the3arguidos Maddy related forums. Thank you for your co-operation in this matter and welcome to all new members."
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Zo jammer, het inmiddels heel bekende 3arguidoforum is straks alleen nog door geregistreerde gebruikers te lezen, en ook nog als ze meer dan 1 post plaatsen. Bekend is dat er velen all over the world alleen lezen, like me, zo blijft je ook een beetje op de hoogte wat posters zelf uitzoeken achter een nieuwsbericht en kan er over worden gediscusseerd. Nu wordt het een gesloten community waardoor een hoop informatie+discussies verloren gaat. Waarom dan niet registreren? IMO moet het niet nodig zijn je overal te moeten registreren, waarbij dus je ipnummer en emailadres bekend wordt (zie post hieronder van xklamation) en wie kunnen daar misbruik van maken??? Individuele posters kunnen ook aangeklaagd worden, men zou dan beter moeten modereren. De hele database van het 3arguidoforum is overigens onlangs gehackt geweest en daar hebben posters enorm veel schade door geleden. En verder schijnt het 3arguidoforum nogal last te hebben van pro-McCanns die massaal klagen bij de serverhost. Het zal toch niet te maken hebben met de dreiging van het team McCann bloggers aan te klagen die niet zo positief over hen schrijven??? Posters die alleen proberen achter waarheden te komen die de Britse pers verdomd te doen, neuh...daar heeft het vast niet mee te maken....
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xklamation aka Joana Morais schrijft hierover hetvolgende, aangezien eental posters weggaan zoals ene Pear: "I agree with Pear, I can read Portuguese, English, French and Spanish, and a little Italian too - I started translating the News from Portuguese in to English - as that is considered now to be the universal language, and my purpose was to share - share information, share my thoughts, share the news and the events that happened here in Portugal. I don't have control of who reads my blog, and I do not care if it is a pro and anti, a silent person, a monkey or a member of the McCann team - like metodo3 who actually had a subscription via mail to read my blog - sorry couldn't resist!

Anyway, I do it for the freedom of information, for the truth and Justice. And couldn't agree less in creating an elite of posters and forcing people to give their e-mail and IP address details if they do not wish to do it. Members should join because they have something to contribute with, to say, to discuss - Guests should be treated as guests welcomed to read and if the time and desire arises then join.

The 3 arguidos should not change the name, shouldn't change the free and open style and above all should welcome readers from all over the world and all languages to be posted as well.

Free Flow of Information!
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Ondertussen...Robert Murat gaat die Tapas-vrienden voor het gerecht slepen: Robert Murat Sues McCann Friends en is de voormalig president van Portugal ook niet blij met het sluiten van de zaak:
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Jorge Sampaio, the former President of the Republic of Portugal believes that if the suspicions presented in Amaral's book are true they should have been used to reopen the process and not to write a book.

With the process archived and the controversy in the bookshops, the case Maddie keeps on causing several reactions. The most recent comes from the former president of the Republic.Jorge Sampaio does not confirm if he already read or intends to read the book of Gonçalo Amaral, but he confessed that he is surprised with another one of the protagonists of this case.

The national former director of the Judiciary Police considered the archiving of the case to be hasty, but before, still at the commands of the Judiciary he used the same word, haste, to classify one of the high moments of the investigations.

Jorge Sampaio joins now the chorus of criticism to Alípio Ribeiro.

Source: TVI

SIC News: Jornal da Noite 25-07-2008 "Alípio Ribeiro had a "unacceptable attitude" said Jorge Sampaio. The former president harshly criticizes the statements made by the former PJ director." Joana Morais
Dat kan nog best een vette diplomatieke rel worden tussen de UK en Portugal en binnen Portugal...

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Kate McCann, het zwakke fragiele vrouwtje??? Ik dacht het niet, al vrij snel nam zij de touwtjes in handen, snippers van een artikel (vertaling Astro, Joana Morais) uit de Correio da Manhã
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Revelations –Maddie’s mother’s notes prove Gonçalo Amaral right

Kate McCann forces political pressure

The English prime minister called the couple directly and the British diplomacy took care of the travelling

“To increase the political pressure”. The phrase, by Kate McCann, written among the notes that were found in her house and which the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) had apprehended, is clear about the manner in which Maddie’s parents intended to manage their daughter’s disappearance, bringing it into the press’ first pages and turning it into a case with political outlines.

On the morning of the 23rd of May 2007 (twenty days after Maddie’s disappearance), before they left for the Sanctuary of Fátima, Kate and Gerry left Gordon Brown a message. Maddie’s mother describes it as a form of “raising the political pressure” and reveals that the present prime-minister – at that date, he was not in functions but had already been confirmed as Tony Blair’s successor – answered her only three hours later. He spoke with Gerry, was “very sympathetic and gave strength”, tells Kate, who describes the visit to the catholic sanctuary as overwhelming, potent and emotional.

On the same day in the afternoon, Gordon Brown called Maddie’s parents again. Kate’s notebooks do not report the conversation but one is able to understand that the purpose was to create political pressure, forcing the PJ to act swiftly.

Today, at more than a year’s distance from the child’s disappearance and after the case has been archived, Kate’s notes expose the pressures that were reported by the former coordinator of the case, Gonçalo Amaral, who from the moment when he was removed from the investigation, realized that the process would not produce an accusation.

With an investigation that was initially inclined towards the abduction theory, partly forced by the McCanns, the evidence of the pressures by the couple also explains the British press’ posture in the coverage of the case, mainly from the moment when Madeleine’s parents went from victims to suspects and arguidos. With the British prime minister himself supporting the McCanns, through direct and frequent phone calls that are revealed by Kate, it became almost impossible for the English government to help an investigation that had indicated the parents as guilty.

Apart from the contacts with Gordon Brown, Kate’s notebooks reveal other important allies. From the hiring of Clarence Mitchell, who at that point in time worked for the government, as an assistant, until the conversations with the wife of Tony Blair, the former British prime minister.

Mitchell actually had a pivotal role in the propaganda machine that was built by the McCanns within a few days, and which counted on the great help from the British diplomacy in all the trips that were carried out by Kate and Gerry.

The first and most media-exposed [trip] – to Rome, to be received by Pope Benedict XVI – was suggested by the assistant, on the 27th of May, after speaking to Francis Campbell, the British ambassador at the Vatican. “Rome is already preparing itself”, Kate wrote, anticipating that visit as what would become the “main” news on that day. One day later, the visit and the audience with the Pope were already confirmed, with a program that was prepared in a detailed manner.

On the 30th of May, after leaving the British consulate in Rome, Kate and Gerry, accompanied by the ambassador, made a strategic stop “for the photographers to catch an image looking at the Basilica”, and continued towards the Vatican, where they spent a few minutes with Benedict XVI. A moment that was described as very emotional, positive and important, and that summoned “loads of” journalists and photographers, which is definitely a concern that is always present with the couple.

After Rome, Madrid, Berlin and Morocco followed, trips with the purpose of publicizing Madeleine’s face and which always relied on passages through consulates or receptions by British ambassadors and political representatives of the corresponding countries.

According to Kate’s notes, the days started or ended with meetings, phone calls and emails. Cherie Blair, the wife of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown’s predecessor, was one of Kate’s contacts, as demonstrated by the reports of the 17th of July. Before Kate gives Sky News an interview, she speaks with Cherie, who agrees to make a 20 second videoclip about Maddie for the English channel. On that same day, Blair himself pledges assistance and makes himself available for whatever is needed.

Kate’s notes:

“Left a message for Gordon Brown to call us in order to increase the political pressure” – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

“Gordon Brown called and spoke with Gerry – very sympathetic and gave strength. Somewhat emotive feeling afterwards” – Kate McCann, 23rd of May

“Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to” – Kate McCann, 27th of May


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The ambassador’s solidarity

On the 4th [of May], only hours after the alert of Madeleine’s disappearance was given, Kate wrote in her notes that the English ambassador, John Buck, had been in the apartment offering them his solidarity. She also noted the presence of two employees from the consulate and stressed the strong presence of the media on location. “There is news appearing in the United Kingdom”, Maddie’s mother remembered, also noting the “worrying” and “boring” presence of Yvone, the English social security technician who tried to understand whether there was anything in the family’s life that might explain the child’s absence.

It should be referred that on that very same day, the ambassador met with senior officials from the PJ to understand the outlines of the case.

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The news

Abduction theory – On the first days after Maddie’s disappearance, on the 3rd of May 2007, the abduction theory was the only one that was mentioned in the news. “Give back our Madeleine”, the parents appealed, not admitting any other possibility.

Visit to Fátima – Twenty days after Maddie’s disappearance, the McCann couple went to pray at the Sanctuary of Fátima. But before that, they called Gordon Brown in order to increase the political pressure.

Brown’s pressure – Only five days after the McCanns’ contact with the British prime minister, Gordon Brown’s pressures on Portugal because of the Maddie case were already known.

McCanns at the Vatican - The trip to the Vatican and the audience with Pope Benedict XVI were suggested by advisor Clarence Mitchell, who mobilized the British diplomacy in order to take the McCanns to Rome.
Overigens vond ik nog een uitspraak van Gerry McCann, die wel meer ''warme' uitspraken doet aangaande zijn dochter Madeleine. In een stuk (The Independent) over en met Kisty Wark van BBC's Newsnight, en haar betrokkenheid met de McCanns zei Gerry McCann het volgende: "He also insisted that the high profile of the case had done a wider good. "Madeleine's abduction has done more for missing children in Europe than anything else before it." Ik verbaasde me al eerder over BBC's Newsnight waarin een paar irritante fouten werden gemaakl, ik ging vervolgens op zoek naar één van die presentatoren/journalisten en wel die Schotse Kirsty Wark. In de Guadian staat beschreven hoe long time friend van de McCanns Jill Renwick: "spoke to Kate at 7am on the morning after Madeleine vanished." En verder:"This led to phone calls to GMTV, the CID, defence secretary Des Browne and Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark. She also stopped John Brown, brother of the prime minister, who lived on the same street as her and asked him to bring it to the PM's attention." En verder is Kirsty Wark bekend met de McCanns via via etc. Hoe alles in elkaar grijpt en hoe daarom mede ook het Britse nieuws zo vervuild is. Kirsty Wark zei na die irritante reportage van de week dat Newsnight de kijker op de hoogte zou houden....

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  zondag 27 juli 2008 @ 12:29:30 #65
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You are my sunshine......
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Op zaterdag 26 juli 2008 13:08 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ondertussen...Robert Murat gaat die Tapas-vrienden voor het gerecht slepen: Robert Murat Sues McCann Friends en is de voormalig president van Portugal ook niet blij met het sluiten van de zaak:
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Dat kan nog best een vette diplomatieke rel worden tussen de UK en Portugal en binnen Portugal...
Goedemorgen.
Misschien wel, maar dat zijn imho bijzaken, haantjesgedrag en vingertje wijzen, wat me veel meer opvalt is dat de pers ook niet meer onverdeeld achter de McCanns staat, net wat jij zegt in je laatste post.

Hier staat:
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Madeleine McCann: Portugal Police Search And Eilis O’Hanlon Empathises
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

SUNDAY PEOPLE: “Police hunt for Maddie ‘is still on’”

Portugal’s top cop has vowed to search “to the ends of the Earth” for Maddie McCann even though prosecutors have shelved the case. Almeida Rodrigues, head of the Judicial Police, said his detectives will chase up all leads until the 15-month mystery is solved.

No end in sight.

He said: “A case only stops being investigated if there is a successful criminal trial.”

IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Only McCanns know full pain of never-ending story - If you find the ambiguity hard to live with, imagine the trauma the McCanns have to endure, writes Eilis O’Hanlon”

Let’s empathise. Says O’Hanlon:

It’s difficult to know where the story can go from here.

But you’ve got a column to fill. Dig deep.

But it still feels as if an ending of sorts has been reached. The disappearance of Madeleine has become a part of history. That’s probably a shocking indictment of the shortness of our collective memory — but, reprehensible or not, it’s true.

It’s living history. Read about it today’s Irish Indy.

The internet obsessives will keep the flame burning a little longer, having determined long ago not to let a little thing like the facts stop them witch-hunting Kate and Gerry; but even they will give up eventually.

Read O’Hanlon’s column online.

And that’s why there’s still such an unwillingness among many to accept that the McCanns’ names really have been conclusively cleared. Take the Portuguese statement at face value, rather than deciphering it for clues that Madeleine’s parents really were guilty of her murder and are only being exonerated because they have powerful friends who put pressure on the authorities in Praia da Luz, and what it means is that there still isn’t closure and there’s precious little prospect of there ever being so. It means living with ambiguity.

Well, no. The McCanns are no longer suspects because there is no evidence to say otherwise. But hasn’t it all ended, O’Hanlon?
Ik vind trouwens wel dat Murat wel een punt heeft, hij is door de tapasclan best wel naar behandeld om maar een een understatement te gebruiken.
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Op zondag 27 juli 2008 12:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen.
Misschien wel, maar dat zijn imho bijzaken, haantjesgedrag en vingertje wijzen, wat me veel meer opvalt is dat de pers ook niet meer onverdeeld achter de McCanns staat, net wat jij zegt in je laatste post.

Hier staat:
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Ik vind trouwens wel dat Murat wel een punt heeft, hij is door de tapasclan best wel naar behandeld om maar een een understatement te gebruiken.
Hooooooi Kahaarin. In zoverre heb je gelijk dat het bijzaken zijn qua mogelijke rel tusen de UK en Portugal maar het kan nadelig zijn wat betreft de 'oplossing' van de zaak Madeleine McCann. De peopletjes die wat te vertellen hebben in de UK zetten nu helemaal de hakken in het zand, reputaties moeten beschermd worden, ondanks dat de McCanns (IMO) zo schuldig als wat zijn, op z'n minst wat bewezen is.....neglect. Een zeer uitgekiende strategie van de McCanns & Co om direct mensen van belang in te schakelen, bijna medeplichtig gemaakt op die manier. Ik geloof, mocht er echt iets van belang worden gevonden, dat zelfs dán de zaak niet wordt geopend, IMO is er al veel, zeker gezien de onthullingen van nu, er was allang al een zaak, er zijn mensen voor minder voor het gerecht gesleept. Overigens is de Britse pers, tabloid e.a., nog steeds zeer pro-McCann. The Mirror heeft zowaar aan 'onderzoeksjournalistiek'gedaan, het aantal deuren tellen in Praia da Luz waar de cops hebben aangebeld, en de deuren in het stadje waar Shannon Matthews woonde en hoe snel ze werd gevonden, het artikel staat op de site van Charlotte, met commentaar. Ook Nigel heeft z'n zegje hierover, terecht! "It's sick really...

En verder gaat de Portugese krant nog steeds door met artikelen die wel hout snijden, Joana Morais, 27.07.2008, paper edition by astro, een flinke snipper:
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Kate managed the news and controlled the English - Correio da Manhã

Maddie casePress was manipulated in exchange for photo shoots

The McCann couple took four hours to outline their strategy, went out for walks on request from the British photographers and escaped the Portuguese


Kate and Gerry McCann controlled the British media in the news coverage of their daughter’s disappearance. In order to avoid criticism from the English press, Maddie’s parents offered photo shoots, some of them during their usual morning walks in the Algarve – which were apparently routine, but previously arranged, as Kate’s notes reveal.

“The British journalists were annoyed because they found out too late that I had been in the United Kingdom. It ended up with Justine receiving loads of phone calls and arranging for a photo shoot on the way to the church, to pacify them”, Kate writes on the 5th of July, revealing a tactic that was adopted in the first days after the 3-year-old girl disappeared.

"Dress up and go for a walk. It had been requested by photographers and agreed that for sentimental reasons it would be good”. This walk happened on the 7th of June, three days after Kate registered that she had been “annoyed” about the presence of Portuguese journalists outside the apartment. Before that, on the 19th of May, the photo shoot for the English newspaper ‘Sunday Mirror’ was previously arranged: “Us spending time with the twins for the Sunday papers”.

In the same notes, Kate expresses distress about the Portuguese and the German journalists. On the 11th of June, in Morocco, after Kate made a positive evaluation of the trip because there were so many photographers present, the doctor remembers “noticing” Portuguese journalists. “We didn’t want to give them a story”, decided the McCanns, who classify the questions from the Portuguese as “sleazy and unexpected”, even after preparation meetings that last “four hours”: “I was very angry at a journalist today. I told her not to do so much detective work.”

Concerning the editor of the ‘Sun’ newspaper, on the 11th of July Kate was assured that there would be no “adverse publicity”: “She was really nice. Perfect solution”, Maddie’s mother noted.

Clarence replaced Justine when the tension rose

Clarence Mitchell was the first one to offer his face for the McCanns. He met Gerry on an occasion when the latter was returning from England, at the end of May 2007, on a time when he was part of the Consular Assistance Group, representing the Foreign Department. He took over the couple’s defense on the 22nd of May, but returned to England in the mid-summer, when he was replaced by Justine McGuinness, who directed the campaign to search for Madeleine from the 22nd of June onwards.

The tensions between the McCanns and Justine were never evident. But the fact that she abandoned the couple’s defense immediately after they were made arguidos and returned to England, remains unexplained. Now, it becomes clear that the tension came from before. Justine and Gerry had already discussed the honoraries. The advisor wanted to receive overtime and demanded a payment that was above was had initially been agreed.

On the 28th of July, the tension between the family and the spokeswoman was obvious. Kate wrote in her notes that she [Justine] did not have good “interpersonal aptitudes” and that she could even be very “unpleasant”. Kate remembered that there had been an argument between Justine and a relative and that Gerry had tried to calm them down. “It all ended well”, Kate McCann concluded, but still seriously doubted the advisor’s character.

Journalists far away from the house

The McCanns’ first days in England were subject to intense media attention. They allowed to be photographed with their children again, after they had agreed exclusives with televisions and newspapers to cover the return.

Days later, Clarence Mitchell opted for another strategy. He agreed with the English journalists that those would never persecute the McCanns again. In exchange, the couple’s spokesman would supply fortuitous meetings, and in case the journalists would fail their compromise, he would exclude them from his contact list.

Everyone accepted. When in March CM [Correio da Manhã] tried to speak to the McCanns without going through Clarence Mitchell, we were intercepted by the police. The couple demanded for the Portuguese journalists to be forbidden from getting close to their house, and their neighbours were advised not to speak.

Notes

Newspapers Gerry is brilliant – “Gerry was brilliant again”, Kate wrote in one of her usual accounts after the meetings with journalists, during which it was her husband who did the talking.

Maddie 14 months ago – Madeleine McCann disappeared 14 months ago from the apartment where she was on holidays with her parents, in the Algarve, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007.

Investigation Case archived – The investigation started by focusing on the abduction theory and then on the possibility of an accidental death followed by the concealment of the cadaver. The process ended up archived.

Tomorrow: How Kate McCann lived the first day without Maddie
Kan niet wachten, dit is ook de enige manier, de andere kant te laten zien. Het op fora en Blogs posten van dit nieuws, iets wat niet meer voor lurkers is te lezen zoals op het 3arguidoforum, die hebben de handdoek in de ring gegooid, een schande. Hét echte nieuws/achtergronden gaan zo verloren met het verschuilen achter een registratie. Ook Paulo Reis meldt dit ergerlijke nieuws: Forums under attack, blogs will be next.

En dan plaats ik toch maar een stuk van John Hirst, ondanks dat ik hem een rare druif vind:
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McCanns: Internet not scared to ask the questions the Mainstream Media fails to ask
The Irish Independent today has a piece on the McCann case, Only McCanns know full pain of never-ending story. In a previous piece I accepted that the McCanns suffered pain. However, I concluded that it was self inflicted and that the McCanns could end it by confessing their sins. This would put an end to the never-ending story. The writer Eilis O’Hanlon wants us to imagine the trauma the McCanns have to endure. Why? What about the trauma suffered by Madeleine? Why does the Mainstream Media insist on making the McCanns out to be victims? There are only two victims in this case, Madeleine and justice.

Eilis O’Hanlon writes: “It’s difficult to know where the story can go from here”. This is fair enough. However, there is a big question mark over the journalist’s next observation.

“The internet obsessives will keep the flame burning a little longer, having determined long ago not to let a little thing like the facts stop them witch-hunting Kate and Gerry; but even they will give up eventually”.

This is a bit rich coming from the Mainstream Media which did not let the facts that there was no abduction stop them printing this inaccuracy. And, what about those on the internet pursuing the fact that the McCanns lied about the fake break in? Why didn’t the Mainstream Media pick up on this element of the story? And, when the McCanns stated that they answered all the police questions, and the internet pointed out that they had not answered 40 questions put to them by the PJ, why was the Mainstream Media silent on this issue?

You would think that the Mainstream Media would be saying to itself, why are the McCanns so intent on silencing criticism? That is the story they should be following. Because, behind the McCanns controlling of the Mainstream Media is their secret they wish to hide.
Zo is dat..

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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 27-07-2008 21:56:31 (Oh, naam fout geschreven...grrrr) ]
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Mogguh all. En wat hebben de Portugezen vandaag te melden. op de site van Joana Morias:
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Policeman irritates Kate for not offering coffee - Correio da Manhã

Kate’s notebooks
Madeleine’s mother did not like to be questioned

Reports of the first day without Maddie tell of discomfort when faced with the investigators who searched for her daughter


Kate McCann did not like the Polícia Judiciária. On the first day without Maddie, a few hours after she had seen her daughter for the last time, in the apartment that they all occupied in Praia da Luz, the child’s mother didn’t hide the discomfort in face of the investigators.

In her writings, which were apprehended months later by the same PJ, Kate complained about the treatment that she had been given during her first questioning: “Nobody offered us a drink or food. All the policemen were informally dressed and smoking. No sympathy was shown. […] The police officer who drove us to the PJ was asking me questions and then he typed them down. Slow”, says Kate, who also didn’t like the fact that she had to return to the Judiciária a short while later.

“We got a phone call from the PJ saying that we had to return. We turned around and returned at 200 kilometres per hour. Scary once again”, Kate continues, sparing the rest of the police forces no criticism. “The GNR appeared without being certain of their role – they seemed to be doing nothing”, she underlined.

Kate equally didn’t like to speak to Yvone, the English social security employee who worked at the department of child protection and who later told the Leicester police that she had found the behaviour of the parents and of one of the friends to be strange. “Also Yvone. A bit boring, worrying, because I didn’t know who it was”, Kate reported.

In the same writings, and still remembering the 4th of May (the notes started to be written at a later date, allegedly upon medical advice), Kate McCann recollects that the British ambassador offered her help. And that there were also technicians from the consulate on location, and Madeleine’s mother remembered a conversation with Robert Murat, during which he told her about his daughter and her similarities with Maddie.

British woman wanted to help the couple

Yvone was on holidays in the Algarve when she heard that Maddie had disappeared. The technician, who is an expert in cases of endangered children, rushed to offer her help, but later guaranteed to the police that she had not been well accepted. Yvone also said that David Payne, one of the friends, had advised the McCanns not to speak to her. She found the parents’ behaviour strange.

Kate admits her daughter’s death

Despite having only admitted it publicly in August, Kate assumed the possibility that her daughter was dead on the day after the disappearance. “Is she dead?” she questions herself in her notebooks, in a register of the 4th of May, after she was heard at the PJ in Portimão. The hypothesis that her daughter’s disappearance is connected with paedophilia also haunted her: “Thinking about paedophiles makes me want to pull the skin off.”

Police in force in the Algarve

During the first days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the Polícia Judiciária only admitted the theory of abduction of the little girl in public, and mobilized extraordinary means into the Algarve. The directory of Faro, which is directed by Guilhermino Encarnação, was joined by brigades from Lisbon and elements of the Central Directory of Banditism Combat (DCCB), including its director, Luís Neves.

With the investigations centered on the abduction theory and with extraordinary means mobilized, alerts were sent to the borders, to the airports and to the Spanish authorities.

The PJ even asked for the population’s cooperation to find Maddie, and one day later, Guilhermino Encarnação guaranteed that he already had a photofit of the child’s [abductor], which would not be publicized. Praia da Luz and its surroundings were patrolled by GNR men, car stop operations were set up on the roads that exit the Algarve, and the garbage collection was also followed.

A total of approximately one hundred men from the Polícia Judiciária were moved into the Algarve as early as in the first few hours after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, which happened on the evening of the 3rd of May.

Tomorrow: The McCanns’ relationship with the suspects source: Correio da Manhã, 28.07.2008 – paper edition by astro
En ik lees heel zorgvuldig, want wát schrijft Kate veel later pas, op verzoek, in haar dagboek? Juist ja, vragender wijs vraagt Kate zich af of Madeleine dood is in connectie tot pedo's...Verder in het uiteindelijke rapport van de PJ over die sociaal werkster aldaar,Yvonne Martin:
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Parents refused technical help

Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange

Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.

The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.

Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.

The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families."
Amaral denkt overigens aan een tweede boek. O ja, de site van de McCanns schijnt gehackt te zijn, zie de site van Nigel: Official FindMadeleine.com website hacked, 28 July 2008

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  maandag 28 juli 2008 @ 13:30:16 #68
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Hey Suko!

Het is toch wat, de McCAnns hebben het al zo te verduren gehad, je kunt ook niet eens in alle rust de shady verdwijning van je kind plotten zonder dat er experts op dat gebied hun hulp aanbieden, ook al geen koffie en ze rijden als gekken, tssk tssk tssk, en nu ook nog hun site gehackt, sue the bastards!

Rondje Anorak, volgens mij wordt de al eerder opgemerkte trend van een verandering in de pers tov de McCanns doorgezet, dit is niet echt positief voor de Tapasclan.
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Madeleine McCann: The Tabloid Dog Pack, Kate McCann’s Diary And Shannon Matthews

MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann and Robert Murat

PRESS GAZETTE: “Furious lawyer attacks tabloids’ ‘pack-dog’ mentality over stories”

Read all about it in the Star, Sun, Mirror etc.

Louis Charalambous represented Robert Murat in his libel action against eleven tabloid newspapers. Two other claimants in the same case, Sergey Malinka and Michaela Walczuch, were awarded apologies and a “substantial six-figure settlement”.

Charalambous tells the Press Gazette:

“Having to capitulate, apologise and pay up is not the end of it. The trust in those titles ebbs away among their combined readership of 15 million. In particular, readers of The Sun, Mirror, Express and Star were told lie after lie about my clients. It brings into question how much more of their paper’s news coverage they can rely on…

“There was a pack-dog mentality here and my clients and their families were the prey. The children of Robert and Michaela, little girls, one not much older than Madeleine, were hounded and had to go in and out of their homes with coats over their heads.

“I’d like to invite the editors of the worst of these titles to have tea and cake with them and explain why they let their journalists and photographers harass them. They are now recovering but the effects are long-lasting.”


Tea with lawyers? Take care. Bring a tape recorder and a copy of the invitation. Leave wallet at home. But what about the story, the single-thread story? What about our Maddy?

“Journalistically this was a story without legs: child goes missing, no idea of her fate and foreign coppers not leaking to their trusted hacks in the time-honoured way. Reporters then developed lines of the story and ‘creatively’ adopted the rubbish coming out of the Portuguese tabloid press.”

Case closed. What what about Murat?

Max Clifford, no longer representing Murat, says:

“If you think that the McCanns got £500,000 from one newspaper group, he went after 11 newspapers – and they were far more vicious to him than they were to the McCanns.”

Maybe Murat wasn’t after the money, just closure? Maybe the papers got of lightly?

“If you want people to believe you are innocent you can forget about it. He and his family are going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives.”

So says a professional PR not in the least bit bitter about being dropped by Murat.

THE SUN: “Kate’s Maddie diaries leaked”

EXCERPTS from Kate McCann’s diary covering the first agonising weeks after daughter Maddie vanished have emerged.

Did you see them? In case you didn’t, here they are:

They show that the desperate mum left messages asking PM Gordon Brown to “increase political pressure” to aid the search. After he phoned 40-year-old Kate and husband Gerry, she noted that Mr Brown was “nice and supportive” — but that she “felt a bit emotional after”.

DAILY MIRROR: “Kate and Gerry McCann: Portuguese cops’ hunt for Maddie ‘pathetic’”

Portuguese police knocked on just 443 doors in the failed hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.

That a lot?

There are 7,000 homes in Praia da Luz…

No door unknocked…

In stark contrast, British police probing the disappearance of Shannon Matthews earlier this year knocked on 5,000 doors and searched 2,000 houses. Nine-year-old Shannon was found in 24 days, whereas Portuguese police have stopped looking for Madeleine after 14 months.

But the police door knocking wasn’t what found Shannon Matthews. The rozzers responded to a tip off from a neighbour of one Paul Donovan.

Also, Shannon Matthews’ mother, Karen Matthews, is under arrest for her alleged part in her daughters’ disappearance. Kate McCann is innocent. So what do the two matters have in common? Or is this Tabloid Bingo?

A friend of the McCanns said: “The 443 doors would barely cover 500 yards from the apartment where Madeleine was taken. That is shocking and unacceptable.”

Is it?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/186558.html
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Op maandag 28 juli 2008 13:30 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Hey Suko!

Het is toch wat, de McCAnns hebben het al zo te verduren gehad, je kunt ook niet eens in alle rust de shady verdwijning van je kind plotten zonder dat er experts op dat gebied hun hulp aanbieden, ook al geen koffie en ze rijden als gekken, tssk tssk tssk, en nu ook nog hun site gehackt, sue the bastards!
Whahahahaaaa...Kahaarin! Yeah right! Maar toch zie ik de Britse pers (behalve dan idd de Press Gazette) niet zo anti-McCann worden, het zijn alleen wat commentaren die wat scherp zijn maar voor de rest blijft 't allemaal bagger. Maar over het 'lijden' van Kate gesproken...Naast Spudgun (over de Britse pers) en Charlotte (over o.a. het fonds) is ook Cláudia van het hout gesneden waar ik van hou...ik plaats haar commentaar graag (spread the word), ingegeven door de reactie van Kate McCann over o.a. dat ze ff geen drinken en eten kreeg op het politiebureau en andere ongemakkelijkheden, wat Madeleine dan wel niet moet ondergaan sinds de McCanns nog steeds denken dat ze nog leeft, she does'nt bloody care! En dan wel met kerst (in de HH, I know) in de camera tegen Madeleine zeggen: "be brave sweetheart."
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I'm sorry, Kate. Forgive us all. So, according to today's article in Correio da Manhã:

- Kate did not like Portuguese Polícia Judiciária: well, Kate, this may come as a shock to you but guess what, it seems at least 10 million Portuguese people aren't exactly in love with you either.

- Kate was annoyed that during questioning no food or drink was offered. Well, Kate, don't you think that you got yourselves in enough trouble because of food and drink? Let's not forget that it was because of some food and drinks that you and your husband decided to leave your 3 under four year old children, alone in an holiday apartment in a foreign country.

- Kate was annoyed because they had to turn around and go back to Policía Judiciária at high speed. Well, Kate, I, a Portuguese citizen, ask you for forgiveness. I'm sorry our Polícia Judiciária was in a hurry to find your missing daughter, once again, the missing daughter who was left by you and your husbad to babysit your 2 year old twins. From the bottom of my heart, forgive us all for the hurry.

- The GNR appeared without being certain of their role. You mean, Kate, like you and your husband who definately aren't certain of your roles as mother and father?

- Yvonne, I'm waiting for you to ask for forgiveness to Kate for annoying her with that irritating habit of yours to try and help people in need. Shame on you, woman.

- I'm glad the Ambassador found the time to stop by, offer you help and support and in a way protect you from all those incompetent, stupid Portuguese people whose mission was to find your daughter and, of course, annoy you.

- You know, Kate, the idea of your daughter being taken by paedophiles makes me want to pull my skin off too. That is why I never understood why you and your husband always stated so categorically that Madeleine will be found alive and unharmed.

- Kate, has it crossed your mind to thank the hundreds if not thousands of people who looked for your daughter, including the PJ police officers who cancelled their holidays to find Madeleine, who risked their lives driving at a high speed because they wanted to find your daughter and who were portrayed in a disgusting manner in your more than biased press? I didn't think so.


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  dinsdag 29 juli 2008 @ 12:12:23 #70
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Op maandag 28 juli 2008 19:54 schreef Suko het volgende:

Whahahahaaaa...Kahaarin! Yeah right! Maar toch zie ik de Britse pers (behalve dan idd de Press Gazette) niet zo anti-McCann worden, het zijn alleen wat commentaren die wat scherp zijn maar voor de rest blijft 't allemaal bagger. Maar over het 'lijden' van Kate gesproken...Naast Spudgun (over de Britse pers) en Charlotte (over o.a. het fonds) is ook Cláudia van het hout gesneden waar ik van hou...ik plaats haar commentaar graag (spread the word), ingegeven door de reactie van Kate McCann over o.a. dat ze ff geen drinken en eten kreeg op het politiebureau en andere ongemakkelijkheden, wat Madeleine dan wel niet moet ondergaan sinds de McCanns nog steeds denken dat ze nog leeft, she does'nt bloody care! En dan wel met kerst (in de HH, I know) in de camera tegen Madeleine zeggen: "be brave sweetheart."


Blijf maar lekker in herhaling vallen, doe ik soms ook, sommige dingen kunnen imho niet vaak genoeg gezegd worden.
Volgens de kranten moeten de bloggers nu ook gaan uitkijken, ik snap niet hoe ze de meningen en analyses van mensen aan banden kunnen leggen, dat is toch vrijheid van meningsuiting? Zo lang ze de McCanns niet uitsschelden of beschuldigen dan kan er volgens mij weinig aan gedaan worden, mocht blijken dat dit wel gaat gebeuren dan vraag ik dat wel eens een keertje in WGR oid.

Rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: Colette Douglas Home Spreads The Fear And Inside Irvine Welsh
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann

THE HERALD: “Do you want to see every parent in the dock?”

It’s Colette Douglas Home, professional Maddie opinion giver. And to answer her question: yes. Fingerprint them, photograph them and question them for 42 days. Only the guilty have anything to fear.

Fear:

You’ve got to admit, they shouldn’t have left the children unattended and gone out to dinner.” It was a colleague talking to me about Kate and Gerry McCann. He went on: “We go on holiday with a big group of friends but we’d never do that. We put the wee ones to bed and eat downstairs.”

“And do you check on them every half hour?”

“Yes. Well, we send the teenagers to do the checking.”

Fear:

I wonder if he realises how fortunate he has been. If something terrible had happened, can you imagine the headlines? They would probably say something like: “Teenagers checked on missing toddler while parents partied.”

Yeah, who cares that the children have been eaten by alligators, fallen down the plughole or hit the minibar and suffocated in their own vomit – it’s the media’s reaction to it that matters most.

And what of the McCanns, Colette’s favourite subject:

I imagined the fact that Kate and Gerry McCann are doctors would stand them in some regard, since they spend their lives trying to help others. I was wrong. I thought the clear evidence from family photographs that Madeleine was a happy, well-cared-for child would demonstrate that leaving her unsupervised was an aberration, not the norm. But I didn’t allow for jealousy and resentment.

Maybe people are just bored of the McCanns? But Colette cannot face that possibility:

So let’s think about that call for prosecution. If the McCanns are to stand in the dock, who should stand beside them? We can start with those who were on the same holiday and who didn’t hire a babysitter. Then what about all the other couples who have stayed at that or any family-friendly holiday village where they felt safe enough to leave the children unattended while they ate? What about people who eat in the garden on hot summer evenings while their children sleep in the house? What about parents who sleep indoors, maybe one night a year, while their kids sleep in a tent? If we apply these standards, the courts would be jam-packed.

What about them? The McCanns are not being prosecuted child neglect, child abandonment, nor for any other crime.

THE SCOTSMAN: “Crime and Punishment - Irvine Welsh”

Dave Robinson is in Saughton jail. For crimes againt journalism. Ho-ho:

I’M WALKING behind the Famous Author. He’s wearing trainers, a T-shirt, an expensive-looking grey-green leather jacket and is carrying a plastic bag. As I follow him, I’m thinking that the way people walk tells you something about them. The Famous Author walks like a fighter: self-confident, disciplined, head up. He doesn’t walk like a 50-year-old, though in a couple of months he will be one.

How close behind Welsh is Robinson? Close enough to smell him?

Welsh has written a book called Crime, HMP Edinburgh. But he nearly didn’t:

He’s talked to child-abuse survivors’ groups and handles the subject with uncommon sensitivity – so much so, in fact, that he gave up writing the book altogether when the Madeleine McCann story first broke. “Even approaching the subject tangentially seemed frivolous and stupid.”

His is work of fiction, the McCann case is one of fact. What has one to do with the other? The McCann case is a touchstone for a writer’s book, a stepping stone on the PR drive.
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Het gore aan dergelijke zaken is dat veel 'publiek geheim' is. Er vinden veel kinder ontvoeringen en verkrachtingen plaats met medeweten van de halve politiekorpsen in bepaalde steden, inclusief kennissen uit de omgeving van de ouders.

Niemand durft echt toe te geven dat hij/zij iets weet, vaak uit angst voor represailles.
Veel mensen zijn op de één of andere wijze in aanraking gekomen met bepaalde sektes zoals Abraxas of Abraxax, die veelvuldig jonge vrouwen verkrachten evenals kleine meisjes. Het zijn satanische sekten, en vooral metal-figuren zijn er van op de hoogte of erbij betrokken.

Mensen die te maken krijgen met slachtoffers en belangen hebben in de muziek, metal of kunstwereld of in het alternatieve circuit zien slachtoffers vaak als watjes waar ze geen respect voor tonen. Alcohol en drugs zijn belangrijker en zonder deze geen pijler binnen de satanskerk.

Waarschijnlijk is 20 of 30 % van de mensen op de hoogte van dergelijke kindermoorden. Ze kennen mensen die dat doen of chanteren er iemand mee.
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Op dinsdag 29 juli 2008 12:12 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Blijf maar lekker in herhaling vallen, doe ik soms ook, sommige dingen kunnen imho niet vaak genoeg gezegd worden.
Volgens de kranten moeten de bloggers nu ook gaan uitkijken, ik snap niet hoe ze de meningen en analyses van mensen aan banden kunnen leggen, dat is toch vrijheid van meningsuiting? Zo lang ze de McCanns niet uitsschelden of beschuldigen dan kan er volgens mij weinig aan gedaan worden, mocht blijken dat dit wel gaat gebeuren dan vraag ik dat wel eens een keertje in WGR oid.

Rondje Anorak:
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Hooooi Kahaarin, wat is in hemelsnaam WGR... En wat betreft vrijheid van meningsuiting is er idd veel aan de hand, het vervelende is alleen of het prikjes van bangmaken zijn van het team McCann, of is het echt ernst en dan kan het voor een aantal bloggers, fora, posters best lasitg worden. In sept 2007 is dat al in gang gezet: UK government agency, blogs and Clarence Mitchell en is erg bruikbaar als het om Madeleine gaat....En verder is wel duidelijk dat het inmiddels achter verplichte registratie zich verschuilende 3arguidoforum ernstig is gewaarschuwd: Forums under attack, blogs will be next (II). Een niet zo'n fijn verhaal...uitgezocht door Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis. (Waarom al die mankracht, energie, macht en geld inzetten om mensen de mond te snoeren...? Waarom al die middelen niet ingezet om Madeleine te zoeken, ze leeft tocn nog volgens hen, dus...?)

>>> Dubbelklik op onderstaande afbeelding voor details...<<<



Ophra Winfrey vroeg zich af waarom Hostgator het 3arguidoforum host....? WTF!

Anyway, weer een aantal artikelen op de stie van Joana Morais: Kate tried everything to accuse Robert Murat- Correio da Manhã en Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis, The reasons why Murat was named 'arguido'.

En tot slot een vergelijking van een aantal feiten qua eindrapport van de PJ en Amaral's boek, gepost door Joana Morais, door Astro:
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PJ report vs. Amaral's book - a comparison in three parts

Part I

Maddie: find the differences between the PJ’s report and the book

The text by Gonçalo Amaral reports on various details from the investigation which are not contained in the report from the Polícia Judiciária. But the latter is only a summary of the process

The report from the Polícia Judiciária that led to the archiving of the process on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the book by Gonçalo Amaral: “Maddie: The truth of the lie” have differences, but they also coincide. ‘PortugalDiário’ offers you information about some of the items in both documents.

Time of the facts:

PJ’s report: The alert about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the moment when Kate McCann announces that Maddie was abducted, occurred, according to the data that was collected by the PJ, between 10.00 and 10.10 p.m. on the evening of the 3rd of May. But the same report refers that “the facts”, according to witness statements, took place between 9.05 and 10.00 p.m.

Book: In the book from the former inspector of the Polícia Judiciária, who coordinated the investigation during six months, it is referred that: “The discussion within the investigation team, including the English colleagues, was objective and allowed for an important conclusion: the alarm about the disappearance could not have been given at 10 p.m. It happened before that time”. According to Amaral, for the investigation, the time of the facts is located “between 9.30 and 10.00 p.m., based on the testimonies given by employees of the “Tapas” restaurant.

The window

PJ’s report: The report from the Polícia Judiciária refers that “only” fingerprints from Madeleine’s mother were detected on the bedroom window through which, allegedly, the minor disappeared. The document indicates that “dactylar residues” were detected on the window frame.

Book: In the book by the former PJ [agent], the issue of the window and the depositions concerning it, appears as central. According to the book, “on the window, there were no signs of forcing or of gloves, and it had been cleaned the day before, by the employee that had cleaned the apartment. The only fingerprints that were found on it belong to Kate Healy. The sense and the position of the fingers that were imprinted on the window indicate a movement of opening it to the left”.

Book: For Gonçalo Amaral, the contradictions within the group of friends, concerning this point, always reveal that someone is lying: “As someone would end up saying, one part of the solution of this investigation resides on that window. The truth about the window will always deny someone from the group”.

PJ’s report: It should be noted that the doubts about the window are shared with the Polícia Judiciária. The report mentions that the reconstitution of the facts would allow to “clarify extremely important details, among other things”: “The situation concerning the window of the bedroom where Madeleine slept, with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It became necessary to clarify whether there was a draft, because the movement of curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which would eventually be visible through a reconstitution”.

Part II

Maddie and the Smith family

During the investigation into the Maddie case, thousands of information about sightings of the child on diverse points of the world appeared. Several leads concerning suspicious individuals that were seen in the resort’s surroundings before and on the day of the disappearance were also followed. But only two reports about the evening of the facts reached the police: they both state that a man carrying a child was seen on that evening.

PJ’s report: One of those reports is by Jane Tanner and has been widely reported. The other one, less media-exposed, comes from the Smith family. In the PJ’s report it is said: “The testimony from Mr Smith reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, on one of the streets that access the beach, appeared. It was said that the child could be Madeleine McCann, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, this witness alleged that by the way [the manner in which he held one of the twins], the individual that carried the child could be Gerald McCann, and this was concluded when he saw him walk down the stairs from an airplane. But it was established that at the time that was mentioned, Gerald was sitting at the table, in the Tapas restaurant”. The document does not refer the source of that information, whether it came from the group of friends, or from the employees at the “Tapas”.

Book: According to Gonçalo Amaral, this family came to Portugal, on the 26th of May, in a secret operation, that brought the patriarch and two of his adult children into the PJ in Portimão. They all confirmed that they saw a man carrying a child and the exact spot where they met, at around 10 p.m. The patriarch said it was not Murat, because he knew him, and failed to identify anyone in particular. A situation that changes once the McCanns arrive in England.

Book: “In late September, we find out about that recognition from the Smith family” (…) “We made a decision, to start a logistics operation in order to bring the family witnesses to Portugal again”. (…) “But the Smiths did not come. The Portuguese police, after I leave, changes its mind and opts to request their inquiry through the use of an international cooperation mechanism”. It should be noted that Amaral makes no reference to what had been established by the PJ, that is, that at that time, Maddie’s father was at the “Tapas” restaurant.

Forensics reports

PJ’s report: Concerning the analyses that were sent to England, with residues that were detected by the dogs, in the apartment and in the rented vehicle, the PJ’s report states that the “final results did not corroborate the canine markings, that is, cellular material was collected that failed to be identified as belonging to someone specific, and it was not even possible to establish the quality of that material”, namely “whether it could be blood or any other type of bodily fluid”.

PJ’s report: Nevertheless, the report recognizes that “in a first scientific approach, the possibility of a compatibility between Madeleine’s DNA profile and some of the residues that were collected (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic vehicle that was rented by the McCanns, were in great quantity), was apparent”.

Book: The PJ’s report does not say anything else about the tests. Gonçalo Amaral questions the results from the analyses, but in the end recognizes that they are not evidence, but merely indicia: “The [female] dog signaled the presence of human blood in places where the [male] dog marked cadaver odour (…) Those bodily fluids, according to the FSS [English lab], contained components from Madeleine’s DNA profile”. “At that moment, those results do not constitute material evidence, but mere indicia, which should be added to the indicia that had already been established”.

Book: Less clear would be the analyses on the hair that was found in the car boot. The tests that were performed on those did not arrive at the same time as the rest. Until the date when Amaral left, there were no results. The hair samples were requested from the lab, but it “didn’t want to let go” of the samples.

Part III

What is not in the PJ’s report

The book by Gonçalo Amaral reports on several details from the investigation which are not included in the final report from the Polícia Judiciária. This fact indicates that they were not deemed relevant for the decision on whether or not to archive the process. But the PJ’s report is only a summary of the whole process, where presumably the facts that are reported by the former coordinator of the investigation can be found, and probably others.

The facts that are described by Gonçalo Amaral that are not present in the report are:

Phone records, calls made and received, from the mobile phones that belong to Kate and Gerry on the evening of the disappearance were reportedly erased.

The information concerning the McCanns that was requested from the English authorities on the day of the disappearance, never arrived.

According to the PJ, the information concerning the debit and credit cards belonging to the couple was never supplied, either.

PJ’s report: loose ends

The PJ’s report concludes that the reconstitution of the facts would be “important”, but could not be carried out due to the refusal from some of the elements of the group. Therefore, the following remains to be clarified:

“The physical, real and effective, proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the former passed them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, from our understanding, as unusual that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the small dimensions of the space”.

“The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness Jane Tanner (horizontal)”.

“What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy (at around 10 p.m.)”.

‘PortugalDiário’ reminds you that the process concerning the disappearance of Maddie was archived and that Robert Murat Kate and Gerry McCann stopped being arguidos from the 21st of July onwards. Maddie’s parents have also made it known that they will sue the former PJ employee Gonçalo Amaral following the publication of the book “Maddie: Truth of the Lie”. source: PortugalDiário, 28.07.08
Commentaren op dit artikel zijn ook interessant om te lezen. Ik moet 't allemaal nog tot mij nemen, beetje last van een brain-drain, qua plakweer...

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Nou ja, niet zo verwonderlijk de vergelijking tussen Amaral's boek en het eindrapport van de PJ. Iets wat ik al eerder constateerde, er mist veel in het eindrapport, heeeeeeel veel. En dan moet ik weer denken aan dat stukje bewijs waar zelfs de media niet van weet, uit het BBC-transscript (tekst uit de docu van Panorama), verslaggever Richard Bilton zegt: "Our police sources say they have other evidence which the media knows nothing about, but much of what the police have said and have leaked only points to suspicion about the abduction theory." Dat zou best wel eens dat telefoonverkeer+tekstberichten kunnen zijn die om privacy redenen niet niet mochten worden meegenomen in het onderzoek, ook het originele dagboek van Kate McCann niet, zelfde redenen..."CARLOS ANJOS: Kate McCann's diary will be as important to the investigation as is all the small evidence that has been found throughout the whole course of investigation, not more, not less. By combining all of the evidence we will be able to reconstruct what happened that moment that evening." Het is echt niet te geloven dat belangrijk bewijs niet mag worden gebruikt, en uit het boek van Amaral: "Less clear would be the analyses on the hair that was found in the car boot. The tests that were performed on those did not arrive at the same time as the rest. Until the date when Amaral left, there were no results. The hair samples were requested from the lab, but it "didn't want to let go" of the samples."

Maar goed, wat tips voor bloggers, fora en poster van ene Zodiac op de site van Claudia, wat betreft die lasterdreiging van mannetje Mitchell:
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My defence will be:

When I go out I always leave my doors unlocked and sometimes the windows are also left open. I enjoy wining and dining with my friends in another friends back garden approx 100 mts from my house, in fact it is just like sitting in my own back garden I can see the top of the roof of my house from my friend Stu Pidder's garden therefore I believe it is within the bounds of responsible home safety especially as we take it in turn to check on each others homes every 30 mins or so. I am sure my Insurance Company would have no quibble with that when I need to make a claim if it were ever burgled. Every home owner does it! Although the chances of it being burgled in such circumstances are very rare hence the no need to lock up, imo.

Although there was one incident regarding a laptop in my home, I had gone to do my usual check and discovered my laptop had been moved, used and then replaced. I just knew as soon I entered the house that someone had been using it, the study door was half open, not the way I had left it, the small window to the rear was open, it was closed when I left. I looked at the desk and I could tell from the way the the mouse was sitting on the mat that it had been taken at some point in the evening and then replaced. I went back to Stu Pidder's and finished my wine and Tapas although this did kinda bother me I decided not to let it interfere with my dinner and my social life, my friends are important to me and it was the kind of night we were all into each other so why spoil it. However with the art of hindsight I think this has been happening over a long period of time, maybe 14-16 months. I decided to mention it to my mates cos it was starting to annoy me that someone could just go into my unlocked home and use my laptop, I mean you do not expect that where we live it is very safe, very quiet and I really did not think for a minute something like that would happen, if I did think that I would never have left the doors unlocked. Anyway, I was telling my friends my sad news when my closest mate in the whole world, Dolly Dimple said that when she was checking her home (a few months ago, FFS some friend!) she saw a guy walking past my house. She knew he was a local, he had bright orange hair, he was peally whally white, wore a kilt, sipped Whisky from a small flask, was humming 'Donald where's your troosers' and carried bag pipes under his right arm. She thought he was a bit odd because he had something under his left arm wrapped in a blanket with a mouse hanging out, she watched him walk up the street and he hid in a neighbours front garden. She said she walked up and peeped over the hedge to see what he was doing. He was sitting with what she now knows was my laptop, it had my name on it 'Amya Moron' but at the time she just thought someone shared the same name as me. She said he was sitting in the neighbours garden, she could see him clearly as the Streetlamp gave her a clear view, he was laughing like a hyena she could only see some of the words on the screen...3.. and... A...and...rows of pictures, then he was typing a word...Zodi....that was all she could see. She said she would definately be able to recognize him again as he has a distinctive walk, it looks like he is doing the highland fling, she would recognize him any where despite not being able to see his face. My witnesses for all the occassions that my laptop was used without my permission are:

Stu Pidder and his partner Ida Nyit.
Patty O'Furniture and her partner Pop Sickle.
Xavier Breath and his partner Sue Cherself.
Dolly Dimple and her partner Hyman Idiot.
And of course not forgetting my PR rep should I need one Boabie Puller.

En van Claudia zelf nog een quootje: "I tell you what, Mr Mitchell, what about telling the legal team, namely Mr Rogério Alves and Mr Pinto de Abreu to launch a huge worldwide legal action? You could then sue millions of Portuguese people, millions of British people and millions of other people around the world who listen to you and find you pathetic and dare to dislike or question your saint employers. I can already picture it in my mind. The trial could be held in the Sahara desert, because I think that would be big enough to take us all in." Don't you just love that women!

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  woensdag 30 juli 2008 @ 11:57:30 #74
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Goedemorgen!
Heerlijk dat gedoe, laten we vooral niet vergeten dat het echt allemaal om Maddy draait, mn voor de McCanns.
WGR is werk geldzaken en recht, de plek voor juridische vraagstukken.
Mooie blogs en verhalen in je post, ga ik nog eens rustig voor zitten.

@Den_Dead_Kennedys, we hebben ons hier ook al afgevraagd waarom niemand iets gehoord of gezien heeft, zeg nu zelf, een kind kan toch niet volledig van de aardbodem verdwijnen? Iemand moet iets weten, waarom er wordt gezwegen, beats me.
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Madeleine McCann: Cluedo, Kate Summerscale Wins And Head Shaving The Tesco’s Girl
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann

NEW ZEALAND HERALD: “Real murder mystery takes top prize”

What’s a work of fiction got to do with Madeleine McCann, the disappearance of a real child?

Almost 150 years later, the murder at Road Hill House looks set to regain a firm grip on the national imagination after a modern account of the Cluedo-style killing won the £30,000 ($78,000) Samuel Johnson prize.

The Suspicions of Mr Whicher: Or The Murder at Road Hill House, by Kate Summerscale, had been deemed as the most commercial book on the six-strong shortlist.

Cluedo? But the McCann case has no suspects, let alone a weapon?

Rosie Boycott, a former newspaper editor and chair of the prize’s judging panel, says the winning book had been a un-animous choice.

Rosie Boycott says:

“It was very much like the [Madeleine] McCann case is today, with the media crawling all over it. No one wanted to believe an upper-class family could commit a murder like this one, so everyone wanted to blame the servants.”

Shall we serve the papers now, or will the McCanns?

NORTH WALES CHRONICLE: “Supermarket chain quashes Bangor child abduction rumour”

Rumour?

A SUPERMARKET has quashed rumours causing concern among Bangor parents that a that a missing girl has been found in one of their toilets with her head shaved.

The urban myth is believed to have been started during the hunt for Madeleine McCann who went missing in May 2007.

What’s the rumour, so we know?

A concerned mum from Bangor heard the rumour whilst talking to a friend on Monday night.

“A friend of mine asked me if I’d heard about an incident in Tesco in Bangor that had occurred over the weekend,” she said. “She said apparently a lady had lost her eight year old daughter and had contacted the staff at Tesco but they had closed.

“They searched the store and found the little girl in the men’s toilets and a man had his hand over her mouth and a woman was cutting her hair.”

Cutting her hair with pair of left-handed gardening shears, right? And he was an Albanian? And she was singing Two Little Boys?

Yeah, we heard that too. Take care, kids…
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Over de verplichte registratie voor het 3arguidoforum+het moeten posten anders wordt men gebanned lijkt me deze reactie wel waarheid bevatten. Iemand schrijft o.a: "What’s the change in the circumstances of the Mc’s got to do with zero posters? It can’t be anything to do with libel. How can they libel if they write nothing! So why does it seem to me like some other hidden agenda underlying the insistence to post? Might I be wrong to suggest that it seems like that ‘wider agenda’ of scams, feeding libellous stuff to the media only to turn around and sue? Then there seems to be the concerns and even distress to some posters re the truth or otherwise re Nbrado, Debunker, Stevo, Blackwatch and now Coldwater and his thread. What or who is next? Could these repetitive shenanigans be scare tactics, Astro turfing, and entrapment of the sheeple? Are IP addresses and posts being monitored?"

Iets wat meerdere denken. Mensen pakken die proberen achter de waarheid te komen. Met de plotselinge overname en Site Admins en mods removed/banned doet je dat wel achter de oren krabben. Een aantal topics vond ik al heel vreemd/gewaagd, bv eentje gestart door de Site Admin waar het ging over de vermeende 'verkeerde kant' van hoog geplaatste politici waaronder de hoogste baas van de UK, de connectie met Jersey etc etc, dat ging heel ver en leidde al erg af van het eigenlijke doel (McCanns+Tapas 7 en what ever happend to Madeleine)...toen dacht ik al, dat gaat de vrijheid van het 3arguidoforum de kop kosten en toen ging het inderdaad vrij snel schuil achter de nu genomen maatregelen. Het lijkt verdacht veel op Trollen It's sucks!

Inmiddels ben ik er van overtuigd dat het alles te maken heeft met Editorial Intelligence waarvan het doel is: "Editorial Intelligence specialise in analysing and exploiting comment and opinion in both print and online media. In simple terms, Editorial Intelligence help other companies and individuals realise the full potential of public opinion and debate by assisting in the management of what is published in comment areas, forum areas, letters pages and message boards. They even have a word for it; they call it the 'Commentariat'." Meer hier: Good journalism coming from the Net

(er gaat al een tijdje het gerucht dat toen het topic 'The hunt for Maddie' werd gesloten op het Mirror-forum en vervolgens het 3arguidoforum werd opgericht, dat daar uiteindelijk Mirror-mensen achter zaten met het doel achter identiteiten te komen, te monitoren en het forum om zeep te helpen, het lijkt er op dat dat gaat lukken, maar zijn maar geruchten hoor....)
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Op woensdag 30 juli 2008 11:57 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemorgen!
Heerlijk dat gedoe, laten we vooral niet vergeten dat het echt allemaal om Maddy draait, mn voor de McCanns.
WGR is werk geldzaken en recht, de plek voor juridische vraagstukken.
Mooie blogs en verhalen in je post, ga ik nog eens rustig voor zitten.

@Den_Dead_Kennedys, we hebben ons hier ook al afgevraagd waarom niemand iets gehoord of gezien heeft, zeg nu zelf, een kind kan toch niet volledig van de aardbodem verdwijnen? Iemand moet iets weten, waarom er wordt gezwegen, beats me.
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Hoi Kahaarin, ah...ik weet kennelijk nog lang niet alles van FOK qua topics/secties...thnx! Ja die Bloggers en posters qua commentaren, ik hou ervan.

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Nog even wat betreft het niets hebben gezien, gehoord what ever...dat is vaker toch wel vaker aan de hand geweest dacht ik, denk aan Ben Needham Er zijn wel verdachtmakingen geweest, maar daar bleeft het ook bij. Maar in het geval van Madeleine, daar zijn zoveel verdachte omstandigheden, dat men wel moet denken in de richting van al of niet opzettelijke dood van Madeleine en de McCanns weten daar het fijne van, en mogelijke ook de vrienden.

Ondertussen gaat de Portugese blogster Claudia met vakantie: "Hi, guys. Going on holiday in around 36 hours. This blog will be closed while I'm away because I won't be anywhere near a computer (thank God!). I'll be away at least one week, two weeks if I'm really lucky. :-) I'll miss you all. In between the great fun, that is! :-)"

Het zal toch wel echt vakantie zijn....ze is al een keer gehackt... Neuh, vast niet, alle Portugezen gaan nu met vakantie...

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Een aantal artikelen achter elkaar gezet (sommige wetenswaardigheden zijn al eerder gepubliceerd), gelezen op de site van Nigel die deze heeft overgenomen van de inmiddels onmisbare Joana Morias:
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Gonçalo Amaral and Hernâni Carvalho on TVI at 12:30pm Joana Morais
30 July 2008 Thanks to Joana Morais for review
Mr. Gonçalo Amaral was asked several questions regarding the book 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie'. Some contradictions in the case were explained, also possible reasons for the simulation of kidnapping and hiding of the body were advanced. Several aspects were covered relative to the dogs and their findings and were shown on the diagram produced by Correio da Manhã, which also appears in the book.

Diagram and Dogs


Diagram of the McCanns' apartment by Correio da Manhã

Regarding the diagram, produced by Correio da Manhã, there are a few mistakes: for example, the sofa should be placed under the left window, there, exactly at the middle of the window, human blood and cadaver scent was found. The window in the twins and Maddie's bedroom, which is annotated in the diagram with a dog is wrong - the cadaver scent was found on the opposite side of the apartment, outside, in the small garden or backyard . Through investigation it was established that no one had died in the apartment prior to that day, so the scent and blood, which indicated a partial match to the genetic profile of Madeleine, provides the conviction that she was the one that died there. The closet in the McCanns bedroom was big enough to hide a corpse inside.

Jane Tanner's Inconsistencies and Kate's Finger Prints

When Jane gave her statement, she explained that she saw a man carrying a child, but she and some of the tapas witnesses failed to see the window of Maddie's bedroom open, which was the alleged window used by the alleged kidnapper to take Maddie. The first problem is that Jane Tanner was never seen at that hour, and minutes, and place by either Gerry McCann, who has said that he was coming out of the apartment, or Jeremy Wilkins. They have both stated that they never saw her. Second inconsistency is that the window was cleaned on the previous day by the Ocean Club employees, and the only finger prints (thumb and middle finger) that were found were the ones of Kate and it was evident through the position of the prints that the window was opened from the inside, to the left. Kate McCann stated that she never touched the window.


1. Maddie's bedroom window, 2. Route taken to enter apartments by front door

Gordon Brown and the existence of Political Pressures

The British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown called the police counterpart of Mr.Gonçalo Amaral, in Leicester, to warn him that Gonçalo Amaral had been removed. Gonçalo Amaral was only given notice of his 'removal' from the case two hours after this call was made.

Madeleine's Right Arm and the Strange Mark

The issue was raised by Mr. Hernâni Carvalho. Madeleine's right arm has a strange mark, a mark which, according to what Mr. Carvalho has learned with Doctor Natália Vara, a forensic psychologist is not a sun burn - in that case more parts of her body would show signs of sun burnings and it has the signs of a hard slap or similar. The point here, is that interviews were conducted with the baby sitters at the Ocean Club crèche and none of them remembers this very visible mark on Madeleine's arm. There wasn't any statement from the parents regarding this fact. Therefore, the conclusion is that this was made after 17:30, after the parents picked Maddie up from the crèche on the 3rd of May 2007.


This issue and the montage of other pictures (photoshoped images) was raised in several forums and by Mr. Tony Bennet and you can read more about his findings in The Truth For Madeleine

On the Side

A question regarding the Tapas Friends and how many people were seating at the table dining when the girl disappeared was done to Gonçalo Amaral, he stated: 'It is not Known.' The dispatch of the archival of the process has 140 pages. Since there are no longer jurisdictional problems the neglect case can be tried in the UK.

Note: this notes were taken from the morning TVI Talk show in a section called 'Crime, He Said. (by Joana Morais)

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Gonçalo Amaral admits that investigators protected the McCanns Jornal de Notícias 27 July 2008
By Marisa Rodrigues 27 July 2008 Thanks to Joana Morais for translation

For the first time since he began to talk publicly about the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Gonçalo Amaral, the co-coordinator of the investigation, analyses his own responsibilities in the outcome of the case and in the conduct of all the work of the Judiciary Police.

Of the pressures and constraints that they were anticipating, more than feeling, of the virtually unlimited autonomy in the carrying out of the diligences and even in the mistakes that he himself now assumes to have committed, particularly the group of investigators initial decision to show precaution with everything that concerned Kate and Gerry McCann. For fear of the reaction of public opinion. Today, he would not agree with decisions that he helped the group of investigators to take. In the book " Maddie, The Truth of The Lie " he does not say everything that he knows. A second book is not out of question.

Jornal de Notícias | Who has pressured the Judiciary Police (PJ) so that it could not advance with diligences?

Gonçalo Amaral | The pressures were immediately felt in the morning following the disappearance of the girl. The British consul in the Algarve went to the Judiciary Police to find out about the investigation, which is not abnormal. Shortly afterwards, it was the turn of the ambassador to go there. It is not a normal proceeding with all the English subjects. At least, I had never assisted a similar situation.

But were you prevented from advancing with the diligences that had been planned?

To me no one told me "do not do it". If that had happened the "broth would pour over" [Portuguese idiomatic expression meaning it would be over the top]. There my participation in that investigation would have ended. But we felt constrained.

In what way?

Notice. Soon after the visit of the ambassador, an announcement goes out referring the thesis of abduction.

Was it the ambassador who pressurised the PJ?

It was not that what I said. The pressure was felt in the team of investigators. When, in the heart of the group, if it was discussed the realisation of a determined diligence there was always someone who would say "Oh, oh, we have to be careful".

Who?

I am not going say names. If in the book I was careful to never give names, I am not going to do that now. It is one of those things that are kept. But in the group there were seven, eight, ten persons taking part, between co-ordinators, directors… When the question of the necessity of doing a determined diligence was raised, everything was discussed, namely, which was the importance, the objective that was wanted to accomplish and what were the consequences. And when there were issues that needed us to come even closer to the couple and the group of friends, one was careful for them not to be considered suspects so soon at that time, to prevent them from being accused in the public opinion, faced with the existing media pressure.

Are you saying that the PJ itself decided to protect them. Why so many precautions? It's natural to have suspects in a criminal investigation.

Because, at that time we would have been crucified by public opinion.

You were afraid of the media pressure…

No. We felt it was necessary to treat them with ‘tweezers’. I recognise what we were mistaken.

If you believed in the accidental death thesis and in the parents involvement what was the reason for you not to insist that determined diligences were done?

At the time when the arguments against were suggested they were considered valid for the whole group. It was the group itself that said "let us not go there".

If you didn't agree why didn't you close the door? It was your image, while co-ordinator, that was in question.

Those were not times for rebellions. I always worked in group. If the arguments were valid, one had to respect them.

Even without agreeing with them?

At the time I agreed because I considered them to be valid. Perhaps now, at a distance, I do not agree.

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McCanns pressure PJ Correio da Manhã (no online link, appears in paper edition)

Kate's notebooks – English diplomacy in defense of Maddie's parents
30 July 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

Couple didn't admit any responsibility in their daughter's disappearance and called the British ambassador, John Buck, to "take care" of the matter

When the Polícia Judiciária suggested that the apartment where Maddie had disappeared from might be contaminated, due to the responsibility of the parents themselves, who failed to immediately contact the authorities, thus allowing for several persons to enter the bedroom, the McCanns set the British diplomacy in action to "take care" of the matter.

"How does anyone dare to insinuate that our daughter's life may be in danger because of us?!" Kate writes in her notes dated June 17, showing she is "very angry". The McCanns didn't lose any time. "Gerry took the matter up". Madeleine's parents only needed to "call the ambassador" and a few hours later they had the guarantee that "the Portuguese police are going to publish a statement to clarify what was said".

"Olegário de Sousa was very embarrassed", Kate writes in her notes, after the couple stated that they were "prepared to do whatever is necessary" if the police didn't clarify Kate and Gerry's role in the investigation. Three days later, Kate writes that Olegário de Sousa needed to "wisen up" and reveals that she feels they are "going nowhere".

The "frustration" with the PJ starts being registered by Kate right after her daughter's disappearance. After an alleged sighting of Maddie in Morocco, on the 11th of May, Kate accuses the PJ of not having acted swiftly enough and of not doing everything that they can, given the fact that when they arrive in Marrakesh there are only images of the garage from the 14th onwards. "If the authorities had acted swiftly, we would now hold this potentially important information. She deserves better. We need everyone involved to give their best", Maddie's mother criticises.

Bed remained intact

One of the criticisms that is launched by Gonçalo Amaral in the book "Maddie, The Truth of the Lie", was the contamination of the apartment. The alert to the authorities was given very late and the GNR didn't protect the collection of the first residues, either.

When the PJ arrived at the house, everything had already been rummaged. There were hundreds of fingerprints spread all over the apartment, tens of useless residues that only made the lab technicians waste time.

One detail was, however, retained by the investigators. The bed where Maddie had allegedly been abducted from remained intact. The child's soft toy was also impeccably placed next to the pillow, in a scenario that seemed to have been set up. On the window through which Kate says the abductor took Maddie, there were only her own fingerprints.

Kate's notes:

"Frustration with a police employee: asking me where my little Madeleine might be…" May 14

"Very upsetting. If the authorities had acted swiftly, we would now hold this potentially important information. She deserves better. We need everyone involved to give their best" June 12

"How does anyone dare to insinuate that our daughter's life may be in danger because of us?" June 17

English attacked Gonçalo Amaral

Gonçalo Amaral, the coordinator of the Maddie case during the first five months, who never believed in the abduction theory, was harshly attacked by the English press – which is controlled and manipulated by the McCanns.

The former Judiciária inspector, who retired after a career of 17 years and published his theory about the disappearance of Maddie in a book, was removed from the case on the 2nd of October, the day of his 48th birthday.

When the investigation quit being focused on abduction, after the first DNA results and the action of the forensics dogs, Gonçalo Amaral was accused of being a "drunk".

The English tabloids, even the more temperate 'The Times', wrote that the Portuguese inspectors at the Polícia Judiciária, [who were] responsible for the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, had two hour lunch breaks, during which they ingested alcoholic drinks. Apart from the "well watered" meals, the British journalists accused Gonçalo Amaral of working only four hours per day.

The case which revealed itself as less of an investigation than a political and diplomatic process, ended up hastening the retirement of Gonçalo Amaral, who reports the pressures that he suffered, in the book 'Maddie, the Truth of the Lie'. The former coordinator of the process remains convinced that Madeleine McCann accidentally died on the evening of the 3rd of May, in the Ocean Club apartment where she was on holiday.

Manipulated press

The McCanns controlled the English press – which constantly attacked the Portuguese police – in order not to become the target of unfavourable news, and in exchange offered previously arranged photo shoots. This is admitted by Kate in her notebooks, namely on June 15, when she arranged "a photo shoot on the way to the church to pacify them". The editor of 'The Sun' newspaper guaranteed to Kate, on the 11th of July, that there would be no "adverse publicity". "She was really nice. Perfect solution", Kate concluded.

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Een nogal ongebruikelijke en kritisch statement op deze site kidnapping.be, vertaling hier gelezen, verfrissende mokerslagen uitdelend naar Metodo 3, Clarence Mitchel en natuurlijk over vrijheid van meningsuiting:
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Was Madeleine abducted?

On many forums we can read about the parents' delay in informing the police about Madeleine's disappearance. Certainly, the fact that the Brirish press was very quickly alerted is not normal. In the same way, it is not normal that the PJ Director should be disturbed in the middle of having dinner in Lisbon by a British diplomat asking him if he was aware of the disappearance while the PJ had not yet been contacted on the matter. However, the fact that the couple's friends and Gerry, with the exception of Kate who stayed to talk with a friend, had first of all looked for Maddie in the immediate vicinity, seems to me to be undoubtedly logical. It is totally natural that someone should first look for his child in the vicinity before alerting the police. The child could simply have wandered off. Only Kate was already talking about the idea of abduction.

What do the police do?

Once the police have been alerted to the disappearance of a child of Maddie's age, they immediately go to the scene. Once there, the police make contact with the family and try to obtain a clear description of the little girl as well as a photo. In the first instance, the police officers seek to eliminate various simple hypotheses. Unless one or several elements are present to support any crime, the procedure for an incident is followed. The family, the friends, passers-by etc are questioned informally. Thus they try to find out if the child could have left her bedroom. They try to find out if other children are missing in which case it could be supposed that they were together somewhere. The friends are asked if the child is not in their rooms. It is only later that it is realised during the hearings by the PJ that the friends have not been to see if their children are still there and that they have not checked to see if Maddie is in one of their rooms.

The police work with the statements from everyone without doubting their truthfulness. We are talking here about a lost child and not yet about a crime. There is therefore no valid reason to doubt the statements collected. If they are told that the rooms have been checked, the police don't go and check. Every minute counts. It is still about a lost child. If the initial searches find nothing, the police request reinforcements to organise a wider sweep. The idea of an accident is considered. From that time and as long as no other elements suggest the contrary, the search is for a child who is the victim of an accident. Perhaps she has fallen into a gully, a nearby river, a cellar, through a sewer manhole etc...The sweep begins. If at the end of the first phase of sweeping, no trace or clue as to where the child has gone is found, the phase called, "worrying disappearance," begins. This is when the police, in this case the GNR, call upon a more specialised service, which in the case we are concerned with is the PJ. From then on every hypothesis is studied, analysed, compared and all possible motives will be considered. This is the time when a security perimeter could be considered but, alas, too late in this case. In fact the parents' apartment has already been contaminated by continuous comings and goings, by dozens of people going in and out of the room, without taking into account that cleaning had been done in the room before the police arrived.

At this stage of the investigation, the PJ will proceed to countless hearings. They will continue to organise a search. They will look at the clues and contradictions in statements. They will proceed by elimination. We "close the doors," as the police say. The idea is to check every lead until it comes to a dead end. It can then be said that the door to that lead is closed.

Detectives to the rescue

There is a multitude of detective agencies of all kinds. As a rule, these agencies work mainly on simple investigations. Tailing an unfaithful husband/wife, background research on associates, family research, genealogy, etc etc. All detectives, those who are a little professional, will tell you: "As soon as the investigation becomes complicated or dangerous or verges on the illegal, in short when it stops being a simple investigation, the case is forwarded to the police who take over." Remember that our laws do not authorise detectives to be armed. That perhaps explains it. Sometimes, a criminal organisation is hidden behind the facade of a detective agency, practising blackmail, intimidation, illegal wiretapping, industrial espionage etc etc. This leads me to talk about the Spanish agency, Metodo3. Certain of that agency's detectives are suspected of extortion and attempted murder in the course of their work for the McCann couple. We will pass over without comment on the detective implicated for drug trafficking. All the same, we are still perplexed about the fact that this agency pays witnesses to state they have seen Madeleine as revealed by SOS Maddie.

Right, Madeleine was abducted and in that case, the attitude of Metodo3 is criminal. The act of claiming that Madeleine is at such and such a place, on the basis of false witness statements paid for by them, renders them complicit in the abduction. If Madeleine was abducted, their witness statements only blurr the tracks and that is criminal. If I were in the parents' place I would dismiss them on the spot.

Right, Madeleine was not abducted and indeed died by accident in the parents' apartment and in that case, the ludicrous attitude of Metodo3 has no other objective than trying to win over a section of public opinion to the idea defended by the parents, in trying to make people believe that Maddie is alive somewhere. And in that case we may wonder why they want to manipulate public opinion? What truth must be hidden?

The McCann law

Clarence Mitchell, spokesperson for the McCann parents, has stated that journals which publish the contents of Gonçalo Amaral's book, "The Truth of The Lie," were very brave or very stupid, implying that legal action could follow as well as damages and compensation that go hand-in-hand. Thus, Clarence Mitchell wants to muzzle all those who hold a different opinion to the parents' official one. Forums and blogs of all kinds could be their next target. Mr Mitchell should remind himself that we are in a state of law and not under a dictatorship. People have the right to express an opinion and to state their point of view even if it does not fall into line with the McCanns. As the editor in chief of Correio da Manha makes clear, there exists freedom of expression which, without offending anyone, still allows the writing and saying of different things to those said by the McCanns and by Clarence Mitchell.

Reminding Mr Mitchell, who seems to need it, that the archiving of the case is not a statement of absolution. This archiving does not clear the parents Gonçalo Amaral reminds us. In fact, Mr Mitchell, making war on all those who speak otherwise than you, who say other things whatsoever on forums, in journals or on blogs is pie in the sky. The laws being very different from one country to another, Mr Mitchell will very quickly be faced with the same problems as the police in fighting against paedophile sites. It is almost impossible to manage to muzzle all these sites. Of course, led by money, perhaps he could try to make an example of the UK to collect a little more money. Money which would go into the fund to save Madeleine, of course. Funds which may help to leave no stone unturned, save perhaps that of the reconstruction. What is there to be afraid of finding under that stone? Perhaps only....THE TRUTH. While the parents complain about not having been on holiday since Madeleine's disappearance, Clarence Mitchell wants to battle with everyone who does not speak the same language as him and the parents. What energy and time spent to impose his point of view. For nothing! Shouldn't that energy be spent in finding Madeleine or has she already been forgotten?


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  donderdag 31 juli 2008 @ 09:46:47 #79
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Op donderdag 31 juli 2008 08:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
Een nogal ongebruikelijke en kritisch statement op deze site kidnapping.be, vertaling hier gelezen, verfrissende mokerslagen uitdelend naar Metodo 3, Clarence Mitchel en natuurlijk over vrijheid van meningsuiting:



Het is toch vreemd dan CM dreigementen uit tegen de pers, goedemorgen trouwens , die hebben dat boek niet geschreven, dat heeft Amaral gedaan, erg wazig allemaal.

In het rondje Anorak vandaag een uithaal na de commotie over Corronation Street:
(In het kort, vorig jaar werd CS aangeschreven door verscheidene mensen omdat er te snel na de verdwijning een kind verdween in de serie, nu is er commotie omdat er de laatste tijd in GB heel veel geweld is tussen jongeren en men vind nu dat een uitzending over meiden die op de vuist gaan niet kan.
Is dat typisch Brits? We hebben het er niet over, doen net of er niets aan de hand is dan gaat het vanzelf weg.....)
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Madeleine McCann: The McCanns’ Ireland State Visit And Coronation Street Plots
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann

BELFAST TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann parents set for Irish visit”

Has the missing child been spotted in Ireland?

The couple and their young twins are expected to make the journey this autumn and plan to make a television appearance while they’re in the country. The couple’s visit will be their first time to arrive in Ireland since their four-year-old daughter Madeleine went missing last year.

This reads like a visit from a head of state:

Kate and Gerry are expected to take up on an open invitation to appear on RTE’s The Late Late Show to address the nation and thank the Irish for their “incredible support”.

DAILY MAIL: “Backlash over Coronation Street’s girl-on-girl gang violence storyline”

Corrie goes mental. There’s gonna be a street fight.

Last year, programme-makers were accused of copying the case of Madeleine McCann too closely after the disappearance of a child in a housefire.

Yes. Anorak remembers. That was the tale of a boy (an actor) who was taken by his mum’s friend (both actors), who set fire to their semi-detached house (not real) in a fictional part of Manchester, was chillingly similar to the story of a girl (real) who disappeared while on holiday in Protugal (real)…

Madeleine McCann: fact and fiction
Metodo3 is een boevenclub en CM krijgt onderhand last van grootheidswaan, de kranten vertellen dat hij stappen gaat ondernemen, what else is new......
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Op woensdag 30 juli 2008 20:00 schreef Suko het volgende:
Een aantal artikelen achter elkaar gezet (sommige wetenswaardigheden zijn al eerder gepubliceerd), gelezen op de site van Nigel die deze heeft overgenomen van de inmiddels onmisbare Joana Morias:

Ik denk dat die plek op de arm van Maddy een beetje vergezocht is, misschien een muggenbult waar ze aan heeft gekrabt? Zo ziet het er in mijn ogen uit. En ook al zou ze vervelend zijn geweest en een tik over de vingers hebben gehad, komt ook voor.
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En dit was ook wel te verwachten....

There will be no full access to Madeleine's investigation files
“Some informations” in the investigation files, concerning Madeleine McCann disappearance, will remain under secrecy law, the Public Prosecutor's Office (Procuradoria-Geral da República) confirmed today. A request to keep some specific information confidential was made and the judge in charge of the case, Mr. Pedro Frias, accepted the request and declared those informations to remain under secrecy law, a spokeswoman from Procuradoria-Geral da República confirmed. Those “informations are not considered evidence”, the spokeswoman added. It was not possible to know who has made the request." Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis

En wat voor informatie moet er dan verborgen blijven? We wisten al wat niet werd meegenomen in het onderzoek cq niet afgestaan, die telefoon-tekstberichten, het originele dagboek van Kate en niet te vergeten een stukje DNA (haar) wat het Britse lab FSS niet terug wil geven, de medische gegevens van Madeleine, geen inzage in het Britse sex/pedo-register, dus was is er verder zo geheim, wat is er zo erg dat niemand dat mag weten? We mogen zelfs niet eens weten wie dit verzoek tot geheimhouding heeft aangevraagd...De te geheim houden stukken is geen bewijsmateriaal, wat is er dan wat zo verborgen moet blijven....iets over de McCanns, iets over de Tapas 7 (bv David Payne), iets over de twins, iets over Clarence Mitchell, iets over de hoogste baas in de UK, what or who ever it is, iets of wat moet verborgen blijven...en ze krijgen wéér hun zijn. Like puppets on a string, > PJ & co, het is te erg voor woorden.

Iemand schrijft dat die informatie ook niet is in te zien voor de advocaten van de McCanns, daar geloof ik geen bal van...

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Hoi Kahaarin. Over die plek op Madeleine's arm heb ik ook mijn twijfels, waarom is die foto dan vrijgegeven, óf iemand anders moet daar een bedoeling mee hebben, net als daf filmpje op weg naar het vliegtuig waarin een chagrijnige Gerry McCann zegt niet voor z'n plezier op vakantie te gaan...ik vraag me nog steeds af wie dat filmpje online heeft gezet.

Wat betreft Coronationstreet, het is nu eenmaal een hot topic in de UK, de criminaliteit onder jongeren is schrikbarend, ook onder meisjes. Maar men wil dat niet zien in soaps, daar valt misschien iets voor te zeggen én er kijkt veel jeugd naar. Aan de andere zijn er in de soap Eastenders scènes geweest die sterk aan de McCanns deden denken. Over een maffe vrouwelijke huisarts die het beloofde kindje toch niet kreeg van een draagmoeder en uiteindelijk stierf in een bijna kidnapscène, waarop iemand zei, never trust a woman gp...En verder een rol in dezelfde soap van iemand die had haar geadopteerde kindje van 3 verloren na een slip in de badkuip (clue???), zo hoorde ze later van haar vader, in de slotscène zag je haar snikkend op bed en vasthoudend een knuffel die sterk leek op Cuddle Cat. Eastenders volgt bewust wat de actualiteit op dat moment is. Dit onlangs gelezen (toen dat nog kon zonder registratie) op het inmiddels in de schaduw opererende 3 arguidoforum.

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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 31-07-2008 19:56:23 (link naar filmpje toegevoegd) ]
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Anyway, Kate McCann heeft op verzoek van een shrink na de 'vermissing' van Madeleine een dagboek bijgehouden, ik vind dat niet zo interessant (natuurlijk wist ze dat die aantekeningen bestudeert zouden worden, dus of dat echt relevant was?) alhoewel hieruit blijkt dat ze idd niet z'n beste verhouding heeft met haar ouders, met name haar mum. En verder is ze vooral moe van de kids en merkt ze dat de twins haar zuster niet zo missen: "Maddie’s mother tells about the children’s everyday life and often reveals some tiredness over the energy of the smaller ones. Sean and Amelie were born from ‘in vitro’ fertilization, just like Maddie, but apparently they failed to notice their sister’s absence."

Dat de twins hun zuster niet zo missen is niet zo verwonderklijk omdat Madeleine in de Kidsclub in een andere groep zat met kinderen van haar eigen leeftijd. En verder was al bekend dat de twins niet zo'n band hadden met Madeleine, integenstelling wat de McCanns de media deed geloven, Interessanter is Kate's dagboek vóór de vermissing natuurlijk, maar dat is verboden terrein... Meer over dit artikel uit de Correio da Manhã op de site van Joana Morais.

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Op de site van Nigel:
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Exclusive in English: Former 'Maddie Cop interview The Portugal News

Brendan de Beer Dated: 2/8/2008, Appeared online: 31/7/2008

In an interview staged only a short walk from the regional PJ police headquarters in Faro over the weekend, Gonçalo Amaral, the former leading detective in the case involving the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has an open and frank conversation with The Portugal News. Lambasted by the British media, and ignored by much of the Portuguese written press since the launch of his controversial book last week (which the Correia da Manhã newspaper has assisted in promoting), Gonçalo Amaral explains his reasoning behind certain methods of investigation, and stresses his actions to date have not been to accuse anyone, rather, he argues, his focus has been about the pursuit of truth.

The Portugal News: Did you leak information about the investigation to the media?

Gonçalo Amaral: I never had anything to do with leaks. We have to look at from where these leaks could have originated. A number of entities worked with us during the investigations and we cannot rule out the possibility that some of these leaks originated in Britain. As a matter of fact, when the FSS handed over their report to Portuguese police, we kept it under wraps, but a British daily was the first to appear with extracts of the FSS's findings.

TPN: But how does that explain that some sections of the Portuguese press have printed confidential information that later proved to be accurate?

GA: Perhaps they had good sources of information, but we cannot conclude that they were given information by police in the Algarve.

TPN: The report leaked last week says that Gerry and Kate were made arguidos on the "merest possibility" that they were involved in the disappearance of their child. Is that accurate?

GA: They were made arguidos on suspicion of two crimes: concealing a body and simulating an abduction and potentially the crime of abandonment. But saying they were made arguidos on the merest possibility that they were involved in the disappearance of their child is not true. The conclusions reached by the team investigating the crime, including colleagues in Britain, are the same as the five points I mention at the end of my book. Perhaps the conclusions reached in this latest report were made to facilitate the archiving of the case and findings were put across in a mild manner. Once you gain access to the case files, you will find that it was not due to a mere possibility.

TPN: What do we know about Madeleine's disappearance?

GA: She was here on holiday. There is obviously no doubt that Madeleine existed. There is also no doubt that she went missing. The scheme employed to visit the children does, to a large extent, not correspond with the truth, it was probably used to safeguard the view that the children were safe [in the apartments on their own as their parents dined at the Tapas restaurant].

TPN: How often were the children checked upon?

GA: One of the first lines of the investigation was to interview the party that was on holiday with the McCanns to establish this.

TPN: What did you find at the apartment?

GA: No signs of forced entry. There were no signs of glove marks on the window. We compiled a report of the evidence we collected, but we are not here to accuse anyone.

TPN: Do you think more could have been done before archiving or closing the case?

GA: In my opinion, a number of things are still lacking: We should have continued investigating the parents in order to either charge them or rule them out as suspects. If I represented this couple, I would have insisted that police investigations continue. Not everything we do is to incriminate a suspect. Often a phone will be tapped in order to obtain information that will clear a suspect.

We worked long hours discussing a number of potential explanations for Madeleine's disappearance; we did not insist solely that she had been abducted.

TPN: You say that politics prevented you from doing certain things during the investigation. What were those actions you would like to have taken?

GA: I found the intervention of the [then] British Ambassador strange, as besides the British Consul in Portimão already being involved in the case from the first morning of Madeleine's disappearance, all diplomatic channels had been opened and were functional. With the arrival of the Ambassador, my colleagues and I thought it was odd, and to a certain extent made us feel limited in our investigations.

TPN: Did you ever receive orders to investigate in a certain manner?

GA: No we did not receive any orders. I don't like talking about orders. But we felt limited.

TPN: Did the police offer a plea bargain to Kate McCann?

GA: No.

TPN: But did you not suggest she consider a plea bargain?

GA: We only explained the nature of certain crimes. Her lawyer was there, you can ask him.

TPN: Did Kate and Gerry McCann answer all the questions that you posed to them as fully as possible?

GA: Up until being declared an arguido, Kate, at the request of her lawyer, co-operated. When questions became of a nature that could incriminate her, she was made an arguido, her rights and duties were read out to her in English and thereafter she opted for the right to remain silent.

TPN: And Gerry McCann?

GA: He answered all questions, before and after being made an arguido.

TPN: When did the police first learn of the intention of the McCanns to leave Portugal?

GA: With the arrival of the sniffer dogs, I think back in August, the couple started showing a keenness to leave the country. As for these dogs, I have not seen or heard any scepticism in Britain, contrary to Portugal.

TPN: How can you explain the theory that Kate and Gerry used their hire car in the disappearance of their daughter when it was hired 25 days after she vanished?

GA: I don't know. I was not the one who hired the car.

A bodily fluid was detected in the trunk of the car which was similar to that of Madeleine McCann in 15 of the 19 indicators of her profile.

TPN: Has this evidence been investigated further?

GA: No.

TPN: Why not?

GA: You will have to ask my former colleagues that question.

TPN: What evidence was there that someone had been watching apartment 5A prior to Madeleine’s disappearance?

GA: We spoke to a number of people who came forward.

TPN: Anyone suspicious mentioned in these statements?

GA: No. Perhaps just a British musician we later tracked down.

But in a reconstruction, witness testimonies, such as that of Jane Tanner and others, including restaurant workers, could be clarified further.

TPN: At what stage did you become suspicious of the McCanns and why?

GA: There were a number of inconsistencies detected during the first interrogations.

TPN: Such as?

GA: We were initially told by the parents that when they checked on the children they would use the front door. But Kate later said they used the other door. Because had they used the front door, they would have detected someone had forced their way into the room [where Madeleine and the twins had been sleeping].

But during these initial rounds of questioning, my team and I believed these inconsistencies were due to the McCanns and their friends trying to cover the fact they had left their children unattended, along with their possible lack of trust in the Portuguese police. This had a lot of weight for me in the beginning, especially as the law in Britain is far tougher concerning the abandoning of children.

TPN: Did you look into sex offenders, and what was the outcome?

GA: It is very difficult that a paedophile pre-selected Madeleine. It had to be very well planned. But all known sexual predators were investigated.

TPN: Did you have any evidence that Robert Murat and the McCanns or their friends knew each other previous to Madeleine's disappearance?

GA: We tried to confirm this, but along with the assistance of the British police, we were unable to establish any connection. But we looked into all possibilities. Robert Murat purchased a last-minute ticket to come to Portugal a couple of days before Madeleine went missing, perhaps as it was cheaper to do so. But we had to investigate whether or not his visit coincided with Madeleine's disappearance a couple of days later and whether he had been contacted to come here.

TPN: How do you see the lawsuit that you might face over your book?

GA: My book is based on facts. It could be a good occasion to take all the case files to court and compare what I wrote with that which is contained in the files.

TPN: What next lies ahead for you?

GA: I have had a number of proposals, but in October I am intending on starting my practical training as a lawyer, as I already have a law degree, but never practised. Brendan de Beer Edition: 970
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En verder mag het team McCann de files inzien, 'some 20,000 pages.' "The couple hope information within them could help their own private investigators continue the search." De BBC en The Independent.

Ik weet niet of dat alle documenten zijn maar wat ik wel weet is dat het publiek alleen een vodje heeft 'mogen' lezen, qua eindrapport, als je dat vodje zo mag noemen....(het eindrapport is in IMO een dictaat uit de UK....)

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  donderdag 31 juli 2008 @ 21:17:45 #83
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Op donderdag 31 juli 2008 20:59 schreef Suko het volgende:
Anyway, Kate McCann heeft op verzoek van een shrink na de 'vermissing' van Madeleine een dagboek bijgehouden, ik vind dat niet zo interessant (natuurlijk wist ze dat die aantekeningen bestudeert zouden worden, dus of dat echt relevant was?) alhoewel hieruit blijkt dat ze idd niet z'n beste verhouding heeft met haar ouders, met name haar mum. En verder is ze vooral moe van de kids en merkt ze dat de twins haar zuster niet zo missen: "Maddie’s mother tells about the children’s everyday life and often reveals some tiredness over the energy of the smaller ones. Sean and Amelie were born from ‘in vitro’ fertilization, just like Maddie, but apparently they failed to notice their sister’s absence."

Dat de twins hun zuster niet zo missen is niet zo verwonderklijk omdat Madeleine in de Kidsclub in een andere groep zat met kinderen van haar eigen leeftijd. En verder was al bekend dat de twins niet zo'n band hadden met Madeleine, integenstelling wat de McCanns de media deed geloven, Interessanter is Kate's dagboek vóór de vermissing natuurlijk, maar dat is verboden terrein... Meer over dit artikel uit de Correio da Manhã op de site van Joana Morais.
Die kleintjes waren ook pas 2 toen Maddy verdween, ik kan me voorstellen dat ze het niet meer zo goed weten, ze missen haar nu al hun halve leven, een jaar is veel voor kinderen in die leeftijd...
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En verder mag het team McCann de files inzien, 'some 20,000 pages.' "The couple hope information within them could help their own private investigators continue the search." De BBC en The Independent.

Ik weet niet of dat alle documenten zijn maar wat ik wel weet is dat het publiek alleen een vodje heeft 'mogen' lezen, qua eindrapport, als je dat vodje zo mag noemen....(het eindrapport is in IMO een dictaat uit de UK....)

ik heb mijn hoop ook meer gezet op Amaral, wat hij allemaal zegt kan best eens een boel gevolgen gaan hebben, vergeet niet dat de man zelf advocaat is, hij zal niet iets gaan opschrijven wat niet juridisch afgebakend is, CM kan janken wat hij wil maar als de bevindingen van Amaral kloppen mag hij ze neerzetten.
Die secrecy die de McCanns zo desperately willen opheffen gaat natuurlijk 2 kanten op.
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Op donderdag 31 juli 2008 21:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Die kleintjes waren ook pas 2 toen Maddy verdween, ik kan me voorstellen dat ze het niet meer zo goed weten, ze missen haar nu al hun halve leven, een jaar is veel voor kinderen in die leeftijd...
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ik heb mijn hoop ook meer gezet op Amaral, wat hij allemaal zegt kan best eens een boel gevolgen gaan hebben, vergeet niet dat de man zelf advocaat is, hij zal niet iets gaan opschrijven wat niet juridisch afgebakend is, CM kan janken wat hij wil maar als de bevindingen van Amaral kloppen mag hij ze neerzetten.
Die secrecy die de McCanns zo desperately willen opheffen gaat natuurlijk 2 kanten op.
Wat die kids betreft heb je gelijk in, maar dat Kate zich er over verbaasd is wonderlijk, ik krijg echt het idee dat ze eigenlijk niks van kinderen weet, hun belevingswereld e.d. Maar ja, als ze atijd in de crèche zitten, thuis een nanny (Kate werkte 1 1/2) en op vakantie in de Kidsclub....tja. En dat dat gezever over dat de twins het altijd over Maddie hadden, bull. De enige hoop is ook idd Amaral, niemand (tot nu toe) zegt wat en dat zal voorlopig wel zo blijven. Hij gaat binnenkort in de advocatuur: "GA: I have had a number of proposals, but in October I am intending on starting my practical training as a lawyer, as I already have a law degree, but never practised." Hee, oefen maar op de McCanns!

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Vers van de pers, Joana Morais:

Madeleine: Public Ministry makes process available from Monday onwards - Lusa Faro, 31 Jul (Lusa)
– The Public Ministry makes the Madeleine McCann process, whose inquiry was archived on the 21st of this month and which prompted the lifting of arguido status from the child’s parents and from Robert Murat, available to the media on Monday. The document starts being made available to the journalists that requested access to the process, starting on Monday at the Public Ministry’s Office that operates with the Portimão Court, an official source informed today. (…) source: Lusa

Nou ja, we zullen zien want kennelijk wordt niet alles vrijgegeven zoals ik eerder heb gepost. Als de McCanns wél alles te zien krijgen dan kan het publiek Clarence Mitchell hem aan het volgende houden: "They and I will not be giving a running commentary. Any critical information will go to their investigators to act on." The Independent Ook geen sightings meer?...he balen.... Of krijgen we nu echt eens onderzoeksjournalistiek te lezen....

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  vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 @ 11:47:20 #85
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Wat schetst mijn verbazing? De McCanns mogen alles wat ze vinden, ook getuigenverklaringen, aan Metodo3 doorgeven, je weet wel die boevenbende die niet vies is van criminele activiteiten.
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MADELEINE LAWYERS LOOK FOR NEW CLUES IN PORTUGAL

MISSING: Madeleine
Friday August 1,2008

By Martin Evans
KATE and Gerry McCann’s lawyers last night began trawling through a mountain of official files for fresh clues to their daughter’s disappearance.

Almost 15 months after the three-year-old went missing from the family’s holiday apartment in Portugal, the couple were finally allowed to see details of the bungled police investigation.

The McCanns were granted access to the files after the Portuguese attorney general officially cleared the couple of any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ official spokesman, said their legal team had begun studying the 20,000-page files in the hope of identifying fresh leads which had been ignored or missed by detectives.

He said: “This is an important step forward in the search for Madeleine.”

Rogerio Alves, the McCanns’ top lawyer in Portugal, will supervise a team of investigators as they painstakingly re-examine every aspect of the police investigation.

The files contain details of interviews with hundreds of potential witnesses who were in and around the resort of Praia da Luz last May when Madeleine disappeared.

The files are also understood to contain scores of reported sightings of the little girl from around the world, many of which were simply discounted by the police.

Any new information which comes to light will be passed to the Spanish-based Metodo 3 detective agency, who were hired by the McCanns to conduct a private investigation.

Mr Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry have long wanted to know what was in the police files and what was and wasn’t done in terms of the search.

“They will be taking their time, along with lawyers, to assess the thousands of pages of information in detail before they make any comment.

“They and I will not be giving a running commentary. Any critical information will go to their investigators.”

As well as potential leads, the McCanns’ lawyers will be assessing whether the files would support legal action against the Portuguese police for the way they conducted the inquiry.

Three months into the inquiry, Kate and Gerry were declared arguidos – formal suspects – by the Portuguese police, leading to months of heartache for the couple.

They were finally cleared earlier this month, along with Robert Murat, the only other formal suspect.

But they are angry that, with the focus on them, detectives wasted valuable time and failed to look for Madeleine properly.

After hearing they had finally been officially cleared, Kate said: “It is hard to describe how utterly despairing it was to be named as arguido and subsequently portrayed as suspects in our own daughter’s disappearance.

“It has been equally devastating to witness the detrimental affect this has had on the search for Madeleine.”

Once the legal teams have had a chance to examine the files they will be open to public scrutiny.
Die laatste zin zou mooi zijn als er daadwerkelijk het hele dossier op tafel komt, niet alleen de delen die de MC=cCab=nns ons willen laten zien.
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Hajo Kahaarin, yep, had ik gisteravond nog ff gepost, aanstaande maandag zijn de files in te zien voor journo's ofwel de media. Wel zijn er kennelijk voorwaarden aan verbonden zoals Paulo Reis schrijft:
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Access to Madeleine's investigation files – Details and rules
Two layers from Mr. Pinto de Abreu office started to analyse the files, in the Court of Portimão, this morning. The McCann lawyers requested the Public Prosecutor Office (PPO) to reserve the access to the files (meaning the papers) only for lawyers and arguidos, during a certain period of time. I could not confirm exactly that period of time, some sources said it will be around one month. It makes sense, because you can't have 8 or 10 lawyers, more 30 or 40 journalists poring over the same paper files, at the same time.

Anyway, journalists can request copies of all the files, before that period of time ends. They just need to go to Portimão and file a written request, with a DVD enclosed, to the PPO. They will have a DVD copy in a few days. Requests from journalists will be processed from Monday, August 4, and it's expected that it takes between 2 to 3 days to get the copy. After the above referred period of time, journalists will also have access to the paper files.

No access will be given to what seems to be a small part of the files. Several lawyers I talked with, told me it's normal that personal data from people that has been investigated and ruled out of any relation with the case, is kept confidential.
Overigens kon Metodo 3 ook 'al aan de slag' toen die 81 documenten via het gerechtshof aan de McCanns werden vrijgegeven, toen meldde ik al dat bv die belangrijke getuigen, de Smith-jes uit Ierland, die Gerry McCann menen te herkennen als de man met Madeleine in z'n armen op het strand, moeten uikijken...'Toevallig' gaan de McCanns binnenkort (herfst) naar Ierland > Irish Herald ....oeps.

En wat zegt Clarence Mitchell over de inzage van die 20.000 documenten: "At last, Kate and Gerry will be able to discover what was, and what was not, done on behalf of Madeleine. "But, even if there are any 'Eureka!' moments, we won't be making them public. "All previously unknown leads will be passed first to our investigators, who are poised to check them out." Daily Record Iedereen fasten your seatbelts...there are coming, scary...

Maar goed, Joana Morais plaatst een artikel uit de Correio da Manhã met wat gezever uit Kate's dagboek (iets waar ik persoonlijk geen enkele waarde aan hecht aangezien deze notities pas later zijn ingevuld, berekenend als ze allebei zijn IMO) en over het idd vrijgeven van de documenten, in september voor het publiek openbaar..nou ja onder voorwaarden, wij zullen echt niet alles te zijn krijgen:
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Process available on Monday

The complete process concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be made available to anyone who manifests a legitimate interest, from Monday onwards. That group includes the parties (arguidos, witnesses and lawyers) and also journalists, due to the fact that this is a process of manifest public interest. Yesterday, the court invited everyone who had already made a requirement for the process to deliver a CD at the secretary’s office, so the digitalized process can be copied onto it.

From September onwards, the process will be available to the general public, and the investigation will be subject to the most rigorous scrutiny. Still, the judge’s decision ends up being surprising, due to the fact that this case involves a minor, and there would always be legal artifices that would allow for the investigation to be ‘barricaded’.

Lawyers want priority access to the documents

Carlos Pinto Abreu and Rogério Alves, the lawyers that represent the McCann family in Portugal, have requested the Portimão court for priority in the access to the process. The lawyers have ensured that the access for the general public was postponed, so they can access the original process and not a digital format. source: Correio da Manhã, 01.08.2008, paper edition by astro
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  vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 @ 15:05:23 #88
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Op vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 13:32 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hajo Kahaarin, yep, had ik gisteravond nog ff gepost, aanstaande maandag zijn de files in te zien voor journo's ofwel de media. Wel zijn er kennelijk voorwaarden aan verbonden zoals Paulo Reis schrijft:
Nou, alweer een deadline op een maandag, de titel blijft zo wel actueel!
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Overigens kon Metodo 3 ook 'al aan de slag' toen die 81 documenten via het gerechtshof aan de McCanns werden vrijgegeven, toen meldde ik al dat bv die belangrijke getuigen, de Smith-jes uit Ierland, die Gerry McCann menen te herkennen als de man met Madeleine in z'n armen op het strand, moeten uikijken...'Toevallig' gaan de McCanns binnenkort (herfst) naar Ierland > Irish Herald ....oeps.
Het zal toch niet? Als ik de Smth-jes was ging ik dan ook op vakantie.....
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En wat zegt Clarence Mitchell over de inzage van die 20.000 documenten: "At last, Kate and Gerry will be able to discover what was, and what was not, done on behalf of Madeleine. "But, even if there are any 'Eureka!' moments, we won't be making them public. "All previously unknown leads will be passed first to our investigators, who are poised to check them out." Daily Record Iedereen fasten your seatbelts...there are coming, scary...
Ja hoor, eerst hadden ze de pers nodig en nu houden ze zich verre van statements.....
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Maar goed, Joana Morais plaatst een artikel uit de Correio da Manhã met wat gezever uit Kate's dagboek (iets waar ik persoonlijk geen enkele waarde aan hecht aangezien deze notities pas later zijn ingevuld, berekenend als ze allebei zijn IMO) en over het idd vrijgeven van de documenten, in september voor het publiek openbaar..nou ja onder voorwaarden, wij zullen echt niet alles te zijn krijgen.

Ach, tot nu toe is bijna alles wel gelekt, kwestie van tijd....

Trouwens, in rondje Anorak wordt jouw post over dat interview becommentariseerd :
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Madeleine McCann: The Maddie Crunch, Goncarlo Amaral’s Interview And Lawyers
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann

THE PORTUGAL NEWS ONLINE: “Minster praises GNR performance during Maddie case”

Portugal’s Home Affairs Minster, Rui Pereira, told the country this week he believed the GNR police had acted in an “exemplary” fashion during the Madeleine McCann investigation, and in “close collaboration” with the PJ police.

Exclusive in English: Former ‘Maddie Cop’ interview

It’s detective, cake eater and author Goncarlo Amaral:

TPN: The report leaked last week says that Gerry and Kate were made arguidos on the “merest possibility” that they were involved in the disappearance of their child. Is that accurate?

GA: They were made arguidos on suspicion of two crimes: concealing a body and simulating an abduction and potentially the crime of abandonment. But saying they were made arguidos on the merest possibility that they were involved in the disappearance of their child is not true. The conclusions reached by the team investigating the crime, including colleagues in Britain, are the same as the five points I mention at the end of my book. Perhaps the conclusions reached in this latest report were made to facilitate the archiving of the case and findings were put across in a mild manner. Once you gain access to the case files, you will find that it was not due to a mere possibility…

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TPN: Did the police offer a plea bargain to Kate McCann?


GA: No…

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TPN: How do you see the lawsuit that you might face over your book?


GA: My book is based on facts. It could be a good occasion to take all the case files to court and compare what I wrote with that which is contained in the files.

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What next? A sequel?


TPN: What next lies ahead for you?


GA: I have had a number of proposals, but in October I am intending on starting my practical training as a lawyer, as I already have a law degree, but never practised.

Madeleine’s disappearance starts taking its toll on Praia da Luz

According to reports in the Portuguese press this week, the Ocean Club Resort in Praia da Luz, from where toddler Madeleine McCann went missing last year on May 3rd, has laid off at least half a dozen employees following poor occupational rates, said to be half the number registered 12 months ago.

And money. People have less money. Maddie crunch. Credit crunch.


THE PORTUGAL RESIDENT: Tell-all book is launched amid a blaze of publicity

During the book launch and signing session at Lisbon department store El Corte Inglés, Gonçalo Amaral, when asked by a British journalist what he thought of the McCanns’ intention to sue him, replied ambiguously: “A good person (i.e. an innocent person) does not reply to provocations” 

Yes, always good to keep your, er, dignity, Mr Amaral…

GLASGOW DAILY RECORD: “Maddie Case File Released”

Lawyers for Kate and Gerry McCann have seen police files on their missing daughter Madeleine. Two solicitors acting for the couple travelled yesterday to the Algarve regional centre in Portimao, where the papers have been kept locked away.

And what did they find?

After trawling the 20,000-page folder, they will be joined by their boss, Rogerio Alves, who has been acting for the couple since they were made official suspects, or “arguidos”, last September.

And what will he find?

Says Clarence Mitchell: “At last, Kate and Gerry will be able to discover what was, and what was not, done on behalf of Madeleine. But, even if there are any ‘Eureka!’ moments, we won’t be making them public.”

Will someone else be making them public, then?

“All previously unknown leads will be passed first to our investigators, who are poised to check them out.”

Ah, yes, the mighty Metodo 3. It will be over by Chritsmas…

DAILY EXPRESS: “MADELEINE LAWYERS LOOK FOR NEW CLUES IN PORTUGAL”

The lawyers are doubling as detectives? The detectives are training as lawyers. Who will save us?

The files contain details of interviews with hundreds of potential witnesses who were in and around the resort of Praia da Luz last May when Madeleine disappeared.

The files are also understood to contain scores of reported sightings of the little girl from around the world, many of which were simply discounted by the police.

Unlike the tabloids which seemed to follow up every sighting.

As well as potential leads, the McCanns’ lawyers will be assessing whether the files would support legal action against the Portuguese police for the way they conducted the inquiry.

Legal action in which country, Portugal?

THE SCOTSMAN: “McCanns scan police papers”

The McCanns were largely kept in the dark about the official inquiry, because of Portuguese laws governing police investigations.

BOLTON NEWS: McCanns must maintain their dignity

There are still many people critical of how the McCanns left their children sleeping while they socialised with friends, albeit close by. But, they have a rare chance to be ongoing spokespersons for thousands of missing children and their heartbroken families.


Unfortunately, if they continue their sniping campaign in Portugal, they are likely to lose much public sympathy.

Let’s have a heated debate
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  vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 @ 15:10:13 #89
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Op vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 14:50 schreef JanJanJan het volgende:
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KAn iemand een samenvatting geven van de FEITEN?

(feiten dus geen speculaties)
Nee, sorry, er is te veel geschreven en gelekt, teruggetrokken en bevestigd, in de OP staan de vorige delen en een globale tijdslijn, helaas is die lijn niet helemaal accuraat.....
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Dus het is met Maddie net als met Louwes / Deventer moordzaak?
Er is meer onzin / complotten etc. te vinden op internet dan werkelijke feiten?

klopt dit?
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  vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 @ 16:09:21 #91
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Op vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 15:40 schreef JanJanJan het volgende:
Dus het is met Maddie net als met Louwes / Deventer moordzaak?
Er is meer onzin / complotten etc. te vinden op internet dan werkelijke feiten?

klopt dit?
Net als bij een heleboel onopgeloste zaken waar te veel mensen zich mee bemoeien, http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/ , dit is een blog van een Portugese, ze heeft over het algemeen de laatste nieuwtjes en feiten, ze is ook niet bang om toe te geven dat er fouten zijn gemaakt in het onderzoek.
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@ Kahaarin. Dat er nu kennelijk geen publiciteit aan wordt gegeven, zoals Mitchell het volk laat weten, is op z'n minst verontrustend te noemen, gezien de nogal duistere werkwijze van Metodo 3... Eerdere en toekomstige getuigen zouden op hun hoede moeten zijn en idd, de Smith-jes. Overigens vind ik het een beetje flauw van Anorak die Amaral een beetje af te zeiken. Tenslotte is hij tot nu toe de enige nieuwsbron van de afgelopen tijd. De rest (de UK-media) houdt nog steeds de kaken op elkaar en ik vrees dat zelfs volgende week, als de documenten voor de pers is in te zien, er geen echt nieuws komt. Ik heb meer hoop in september, dan worden de documenten (nou ja, behalve de stukken die voor eeuwig achter slot en grendel blijven) publiekelijk.

@ JanJanJan, wat feitelijk vaststaat is dat er geen bewijzen zijn dat Madeleine is ontvoerd. Tevens staat vast dat er verschillen zijn in de getuigenissen (timeline > checks van de kids in de apartementen) van de vrienden die op die avond aanwezig waren. Zij willen tot nu toe niet meewerken aan een reconstructie om verschillen daarin te verklaren. Heel kort door de bocht: de ouders van Madeleine zijn geen formeel verdachten meer omdat er niet genoeg bewijzen zijn dat ze iets met de vermissing van hun dochter hebben te maken. Maar ook kan worden vastgesteld dat het niet is uitgesloten is dat ze er wel mee te maken hebben. Breekpunt is ook dat belangrijk bewijsmateriaal niet mag worden gebruikt ivm privacy, zoals tracklisten van mobiles+tekstberichten, medische gegevens van Madeleine, niet mogen inzien van Britse pedo/sex-register, origineel dagboek van Kate McCann en volgens Amaral (leider van het onderzoek in de 1e 5 maanden) is op verzoek één belangrijk stukje DNA, uit haar verkregen, niet terug gekomen voor eigen nader onderzoek.

Naast de tip van Kahaarin om hier te kijken http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/ zijn deze sites ook zeer nuttig, achtergronden en veel krantenartikelen: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html + http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ (veel beeldmateriaal) Verder zijn er al veel blogs en een aantal fora schuil gegaan achter verplichte registratie of alleen op persoonlijk uitnodiging te bekijken. Dit als gevolg van dreigementen van Clarence Mitchell, woordvoerder van de McCanns, om alle mogelijke laster via fora/blogs jegens de McCanns aan te klagen. Er zijn vermoedens van inmenging van de Britse overheid, mogelijk daarom worden gegevens achtergehouden cq het onderzoek meer vertraagd dan nodig was, Amaral zegt letterlijk dat het geen politiezaak is maar een politieke zaak....

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Nog ff het volgende, wat toch wel weer typisch is dat de Britse pers verdomd te melden dat de media vanaf a.s. maandag verzoeken kan indienen voor inzage van de documenten en voor het publiek is dat dus in september. Nee hoor, Clarence Mitchell 'verkoopt' de inzaqe voor de McCanns, 'they are granted acces to the documents' luidt het dan. Inzage voor anderen en straks voor iedereen wordt gewoon verzwegen, ja stel je voor, dat blijft ook verborgen dat Britse journo's iets anders over de McCanns kunnen schrijven dan de gebruikelijke Clarrifications....sssst, niets vertellen aan het publiek....

Charlotte zegt het volgende over het niet vertellen wat de McCanns en dus Metodo 3 doen met eventueel belangrijk verkregen info. "And after all the months of tabloids reporting apparent sightings, witnesses popping up and trivia such as McCann holidays, what will the public be privy to once the files have been read to see what was and was not done on behalf of Madeleine? Clarence Mitchell enlightens us: "But, even if there are any 'Eureka!' moments, we won't be making them public. All previously unknown leads will be passed first to our investigators, who are poised to check them out." Figures. The McCanns arguido status lifted, the investigation apparently shelved...nothing being made public...nothing to report...perhaps there is no need for them to be in the news from now on then.

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Zo Clarence Mitchell, dit kun je in je zak steken.... Uit onderstaande blijkt wel hoe gefrustreerd ze daar in Portugal zijn aangaande de houding van sommige in de UK tav het onderzoek en de persoonlijke aanvallen naar hen die we al die maanden hebben kunnen lezen in de Britse rubbish press.... Er zijn zelfs dreigementen naar Amaral geuit, it's a bloody disgrace! Sommige artikelen plaats ik met een zeker genoegen waarvan dit er één is:
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Discover the differences Correio da Manhã

Matter of fact

Gonçalo Amaral, Ex-coord. investigação Criminal
02 August 2008 - 00h30

"A criminal investigation does not have to be politically correct."

Those who knew me through social communication got an opinion based on my connection with the so-called Maddie Case. During the investigation and after being removed, I was a target of the most terrible accusations from the British press, some local commentators and a man named Clarence Mitchell, whose role is not very well understood. On the eve of the publication of the book you already know, this gentleman was sending me threats : "that I should take care" - I was stunned!

Let me make it clear that I consider this to be an unacceptable tone, coming from a citizen of the oldest democracy in the world. Take care, why? Because I might step on a banana peel while walking? Is Mr Mitchell concerned about my health? I do not think so. We all perceive his threatening tone.

In Portugal, we are not used to people speaking that way. Nor is this the view we have of the British people, but there are always some people that fall out of standards. A criminal investigation need not be politically correct, nor fear veiled threats. The book only contains facts and contains no indictment. So the differences stand out." (bron)
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Wat er nog aan vragen openstaat....
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The 48 questions that remained unanswered - Correio da Manhã

InvestigationWhat the PJ inspectors wanted to know

When she became an arguida, Kate stopped talking to the inspectors

September 7, 2007. Kate McCann entered the Polícia Judiciária in Portimão in the morning and the questioning extended into the evening. She was heard as a witness, but the tension in the air was evident. For the first time, people were concentrated at the PJ building’s door and murmured words of mistrust regarding the couple.

On that day, CM had reported that the dogs had detected cadaver odour on Maddie’s mother’s clothes. A piece of evidence that the authorities intended to use as a trump, during a questioning that only changed course on the next day, after the PJ failed to see their doubts clarified.

Kate began by replying all the questions, but when she was made an arguida, she stopped talking. She went silent, in the company of her lawyer, and accepted all the insinuations in a provocative manner. Less than 48 hours later, Kate and Gerry travel to England with the twins, leaving the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter, who meanwhile had become four, behind.

They later guaranteed that they would return if necessary – which they never did, although they were never formally requested to return – and they are no longer arguidos for the suspected involvement in concealing the child’s body. Today, CM reveals the 48 questions that Kate did not want to answer during the interrogation and which reflect the investigators’ doubts. More than a year after Maddie disappeared, many of these questions remain unanswered.

Jeers for the McCann couple

The day that Kate and Gerry went to the PJ’s offices in Portimão marked a turnaround in the relationship between the local people and the couple: the curious bystanders that spent the day on the street jeered at Maddie’s mother and father, mainly criticizing the “absence of visible suffering” from Kate. The foreign press also attended in great numbers.

The Judiciária’s 48 questions that Kate did not answer

1 On the 3rd of May 2007, at around 10 p.m., when you entered the apartment, what did you see, what did you do, where did you search, what did you handle?

2 Did you search in the couple’s bedroom’s closet? (said she would not reply)

3 (Two photographs of her bedroom’s closet are exhibited) Can you describe its contents?

4 Why are the curtains in front of the side window, behind the sofa (photograph is exhibited) ruffled? Did someone pass behind that sofa?

5 How long did the search that you made in the apartment after detecting the disappearance of your daughter Madeleine take?

6 Why did you say straight away that Madeleine had been abducted?

7 Presuming that Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins alone at home while you went to the Tapas to raise the alarm? Even because the supposed abductor could still be inside the apartment.

8 Why didn’t you ask the twins at that moment what had happened to their sister, or why didn’t you ask them at a later point in time?

9 When you raised the alarm at the Tapas, what exactly did you say and what were the words?

10 What happened after you raised the alarm at the Tapas?

11 Why did you do to warn your friends instead of calling out from the balcony?

12 Who contacted the authorities?

13 Who participated in the searches?

14 Did anyone outside of the group learn about Maddie’s disappearance during the following minutes?

15 Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16 What does the expression “we let her down” mean?

17 Did Jane mention to you that she had see a man with a child that night?

18 How were the authorities contacted and which police force was called?

19 During the searches, and already with the police present, in what locations was Maddie searched for, how and in what manner?

20 Why didn’t the twins wake up during that search, or when they went to the upper floor?

21 Who did you call after the facts?

22 Did you call SKY News?

23 Did you know about the danger of calling the media, because that could influence the abductor?

24 Did you request the presence of a priest?

25 How was Madeleine’s face publicized, with a photograph, or other media?

26 Is it true that during the search you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27 How did you behave that evening?

28 Did you manage to sleep?

29 Before the trip to Portugal, did you comment on a bad feeling or a bad premonition?

30 What was Madeleine’s behaviour?

31 Did Maddie suffer of any disease or did she take any kind of medication?

32 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings?

33 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings, her friends and her colleagues at school?

34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked?

35 What is your medical specialty?

36 Did you work by shifts, in emergency rooms or in other departments?

37 Did you work on a daily basis?

38 Did you stop working at a certain point in time? Why?

39 Do your twin children have difficulty in falling asleep, are they unruly and does that upset you?

40 Is it true that at certain times you were desperate over your children’s attitude and that left you were upset?

41 Is it true that in England you considered the possibility of handing over Madeleine’s guardianship to a relative?

42 In England, did you give your children medication? What type of medication?

43 Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

44 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog

45 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

46 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

47 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle’s boot?

48 Did you have any responsibility or intervention in the disappearance of your daughter?

The question that she answered

Are you aware of the fact that by not answering these questions you may compromise the investigation, which is trying to find out what happened to your daughter? She said yes, if the investigation thinks so.

Process becomes public tomorrow

From tomorrow onwards, the entire investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine will be made available to the arguidos, to the witnesses, to the lawyers and also to the journalists, because it is a case of manifest public interest.

The process, which was archived on the 21st of July, will also be available to the general public, a situation that will allow for an authentic scrutiny of the work that was developed by the Polícia Judiciária. This decision, which came as a surprise due to the fact that the case involves a child, was only announced at this point in time, after the Portuguese lawyers for the McCann family, Carlos Pinto de Abreu and Rogério Alves, requested the Portimão Court for priority in the access to the process.

Last Wednesday, the Court had requested the interested parties that had already asked for the consultation of the process to leave a CD at the secretary’s office, given the fact that the process will be supplied in a digital format
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The archiving of the investigation into the little girl’s disappearance, which happened on the 3rd of May 2007, in the Algarve, precipitated the lifting of the judicial secrecy, which had been extended precisely until the month of August. source: Correio da Manhã, 03.08.2008, paper edition by astro, Joana Morais
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Tjonge jonge, de aanvallen op Amaral zijn begonnen, niet toevallig nu morgen de documenten op verzoek voor de media worden vrijgegeven, en volgende maand voor het publek, wat schrijft columniste Carole Malone (hier gelezen) voor The News Of The World:
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Opinion piece News of the World (no online link, appears in paper edition only)
Carole Malone 03 August 2008

GONCALO Amaral, the Portuguese detective whose bungling contributed much to messing up the hunt for Madeleine McCann, has written a book about her disappearance.

Suggestion.

Shouldn't he be doing a diet book instead?
Eerder was ik nogal gecharmeerd van haar scherpe stukje over het weigeren om mee te werken aan de reconstructie, zie eerdere post. Maar nu?! you're a hypocrite and way out of line women....

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SOS Madeleine McCann: Eddie is behind the discovery of the bodies of five children.



The bodies of at least five children have been found at the former English children's home on the island of Jersey, where Eddie the sniffer dog, previously used in the Madeleine case, indicated the presence of the bodies. The former children's home, situated at Haut da la Garenne, has been under investigation since 2006, after several disclosures of sexual abuse.

According to Lenny Harper, Jersey's police chief, the bodies of five children, aged from four ro eleven, were burned and hidden between the late sixties and early seventies. Until now, the British police have also discovered 65 milk teeth and at least a hundred bone fragments, some cut and burnt.

Eddie, capable of sniffing the slightest cadaver odour, after having detected signs in Praia da Luz that Madeleine McCann's body had been there, demonstrated his skills by detecting the presence of human remains at the former children's home, where he indicated at least six places, inside the building, where the British police then made the discovery.

In spite of the discoveries, the British police consider that there is not enough evidence to proceed with a murder investigation, which shocks several witnesses who are accusing the authorities of not wanting to open Pandora's box: "I am astonished that the evidence is apparently so inconclusive," states a specialist in forensics, stressing that, "it seems strange that we have a large number of bones, but it is announced that there will not be a murder investigation."

Eddie in the McCann case.

After being successful in more than 200 criminal investigations, Eddie arrived in Portugal on July 30th 2007 to help the Portuguese and British authroities with the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Eddie, the Springer Spaniel of the British police, is skilled at detecting murder victims. (EVRD) He looks for and locates human remains and bodily fluids. He is capable of indicating the presence of a body in a place, even if the body is no longer there. Eddie also indicates contamination by the odour of a body.

In the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Eddie, used in conjunction with Keela, indicated the cadaver odour in several places, all directly connected to the parents of the young British girl.

  • The floor of Kate and Gerry McCann's bedroom.
  • Behind the blue sofa beside the window of 5A
  • On the balcony of the McCanns' bedroom.

    According to the investigation file, before Madeleine's disappearance, no death had taken place inside apartment 5A, where the McCanns stayed during their holiday in Praia da Luz. Eddie was also used to inspect apartments 5B,5D and 5H at the Ocean Club, but he did not alert on anything there.

    In the rented villa which Kate and Gerry McCann occupied after their departure from the Ocean Club, Eddie indicated the cadaver odour on Cuddle Cat (the pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine), and on two items of Kate's clothing. Eddie also indicated several places in the car rented by the mcCanns: on the key and in the boot of the Renault Scenic.

    Similar examinations were carried out, without success, at Robert Murat's house, on his clothes and on his cars. Eddie only found the cadaver odour in places and on objects directly linked to Kate and Gerry McCann, Madeleine's parents. http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/
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    En vandaag komen alle Britse kranten met het nieuws dat de documenten zijn vrijgegeven voor het publiek. Niet helemaal waar, eerst op verzoek voor de media e.d. en pas in september voor het 'gewone' volk, zoals eerder in deze post gemeld. In een uiterst sober bericht schrijft The Sun vandaag:
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    Kate 'fell silent' in police quiz
    By VERONICA LORRAINE in Praia da Luz Published: Today
    KATE McCann refused to answer 48 questions when probed by Portuguese cops over her missing daughter Madeleine, it was revealed yesterday. The devastated mum replied to some at the start of the interview on September 7 last year. But she exercised her rights and fell silent once she was made an “arguido” in the case, leaked police files show.

    Two weeks ago Kate and her husband Gerry, both 40, of Rothley, Leics, were officially cleared of any involvement in Maddie’s disappearance. Details of the Portuguese police probe are due to be opened to the public today.

    The police files from the exhaustive inquiry, which lasted over 14 months, are being made available to journalists after the shelving of the case a fortnight ago. Included in the mammoth dossier - said to run to 20,000 pages - are witness statements, transcripts of interviews with the McCanns and details of the lines of inquiry detectives pursued.

    Holiday

    Maddie vanished in May 2007, days before her fourth birthday. She had been left alone with her twin siblings at a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. Yesterday Portuguese newspaper Correio de Manhas said Kate was quizzed over why she said from the start Maddie had been abducted.

    Cops also asked whether she gave the children medication and if it was true that she sometimes despaired of their behaviour and had considered handing custody of Maddie to a relative. McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: “Kate was well within her rights not to answer if she didn’t want to.”
    Zo, vanaf vandaag dus verwachten wij echte feiten te lezen, put Mr. Mitchell aside and start digging your lazy journo's!...En ik herhaal de onbeantwoorde vragen nog maar eens:
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    The Judiciária’s 48 questions that Kate did not answer

    1 On the 3rd of May 2007, at around 10 p.m., when you entered the apartment, what did you see, what did you do, where did you search, what did you handle?

    2 Did you search in the couple’s bedroom’s closet? (said she would not reply)

    3 (Two photographs of her bedroom’s closet are exhibited) Can you describe its contents?

    4 Why are the curtains in front of the side window, behind the sofa (photograph is exhibited) ruffled? Did someone pass behind that sofa?

    5 How long did the search that you made in the apartment after detecting the disappearance of your daughter Madeleine take?

    6 Why did you say straight away that Madeleine had been abducted?

    7 Presuming that Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins alone at home while you went to the Tapas to raise the alarm? Even because the supposed abductor could still be inside the apartment.

    8 Why didn’t you ask the twins at that moment what had happened to their sister, or why didn’t you ask them at a later point in time?

    9 When you raised the alarm at the Tapas, what exactly did you say and what were the words?

    10 What happened after you raised the alarm at the Tapas?

    11 Why did you do to warn your friends instead of calling out from the balcony?

    12 Who contacted the authorities?

    13 Who participated in the searches?

    14 Did anyone outside of the group learn about Maddie’s disappearance during the following minutes?

    15 Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

    16 What does the expression “we let her down” mean?

    17 Did Jane mention to you that she had see a man with a child that night?

    18 How were the authorities contacted and which police force was called?

    19 During the searches, and already with the police present, in what locations was Maddie searched for, how and in what manner?

    20 Why didn’t the twins wake up during that search, or when they went to the upper floor?

    21 Who did you call after the facts?

    22 Did you call SKY News?

    23 Did you know about the danger of calling the media, because that could influence the abductor?

    24 Did you request the presence of a priest?

    25 How was Madeleine’s face publicized, with a photograph, or other media?

    26 Is it true that during the search you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

    27 How did you behave that evening?

    28 Did you manage to sleep?

    29 Before the trip to Portugal, did you comment on a bad feeling or a bad premonition?

    30 What was Madeleine’s behaviour?

    31 Did Maddie suffer of any disease or did she take any kind of medication?

    32 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings?

    33 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings, her friends and her colleagues at school?

    34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked?

    35 What is your medical specialty?

    36 Did you work by shifts, in emergency rooms or in other departments?

    37 Did you work on a daily basis?

    38 Did you stop working at a certain point in time? Why?

    39 Do your twin children have difficulty in falling asleep, are they unruly and does that upset you?

    40 Is it true that at certain times you were desperate over your children’s attitude and that left you were upset?

    41 Is it true that in England you considered the possibility of handing over Madeleine’s guardianship to a relative?

    42 In England, did you give your children medication? What type of medication?

    43 Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

    44 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog

    45 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

    46 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

    47 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle’s boot?

    48 Did you have any responsibility or intervention in the disappearance of your daughter?

    The question that she answered

    Are you aware of the fact that by not answering these questions you may compromise the investigation, which is trying to find out what happened to your daughter? She said yes, if the investigation thinks so.
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    Wat comments op het artikel in de Daily Mail:
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    I want to know why Mrs McCann failed to answer 48 important questions asked by the police.
    - paul, DERBY uk, 3/8/2008 20:37

    i think your find the smears and inuendos come from the mccanns.
    - chriss, london, 3/8/2008 20:43

    Who said the Portuguese Police have not worked hard on the case, 11,000 page files of recorded work!
    - Chris, England, 3/8/2008 20:45

    The lawyers are "discovering what was done, and more importantly, what was not done"
    I think we all know the most important thing that was not done. Madeleine was not put safely in the available evening creche.
    - diddy, germany, 3/8/2008 21:00

    Brilliant. Now the McCanns are no longer bound by secrecy they can answer all the questions they wouldn't answer previously. I have no doubt they are keen to talk.
    - Bazza, Leicestershire, UK, 3/8/2008 21:07

    Do our own UK police 'alert borders' as soon as a child is reported 'missing?? Children go 'missing' every day of every week in every country. Thankfully the vast majority turn up safe and well (got lost, was with another family member while one parent was unaware of this, have 'run away', are with an estranged parent, etc.etc.) Iwould like to know if 'borders' are alerted in every case of a missing child in the UK? Because if they are it would mean that we would be in a PERMANENT state of 'lock-down'. The PJ had NO evidence that the child had been 'abducted' either.....which would be a REQUIREMENT before any 'border alert in any country...and in the mobilisation of the much publicised 'Amber Alert'. Were borders alerted in the Holly and Jessica case? Within 12 hours? I would like to see evidence of this!
    - linda, Birmingham, 3/8/2008 21:55

    So the case file is being released to journalists. Will the UK public be allowed to read it??
    - linda, Birmingham, 3/8/2008 21:56

    You can bet there will be a lot of reports missing, they aren't about to let the world know how badly they screwed up.
    - Katie, Penticton, BC Canada, 3/8/2008 22:37

    The dossier may have just been made public, but the Correio da Manha has been printing extracts from Kate's diary for a week, with comments intended to turn public opinion against the McCanns and, more important still, support Goncalo Amaral's book and defend him against any possible legal proceedings. And Mr. Amaral has been given his own column in said newspaper. Coincidences?
    - John, Coimbra, Portugal, 3/8/2008 22:40

    What "police search"? As far as I can make out from radio and TV reports, the Portuguese Police spent almost all of their time trying unsuccessfully to find or invent "evidence" that would help convict Madeline's parents of being in some way responsible for her death.
    - Fred James, Worcester, 3/8/2008 23:07

    "alert border patrols"?! There are no borders!
    - Sara, Spain, 3/8/2008 23:17

    Erm...border patrols....Vanessa Allen obviously hasn't been to Europe for quite a while.
    - Jean, Blackburn, Lancs, 3/8/2008 23:56

    How is this going to help to find out what has happened to that little girl, we all know where the fault lies those children should not have been left alone , looking back over all the information will it do any good , it hasn't up til now, still no one knows what happend to Maddie
    - Anon, Bucks, 4/8/2008 0:45

    So what if the 'vile smears' turn out to be nothing of the kind? The McCanns and their friends have behaved in the most bizarre manner from the very first day. Each time I've seen them on TV my jaw has dropped still further. I for one am VERY interested to know what the portuguese police files contain, and also what Goncalo Amaral has to say about the McCanns in his book. I might even be persuaded to actually BUY the Daily Mail if it offered straightforward, objective reporting on either.
    - Ruth, Wales, 4/8/2008 2:29

    Ref. question 41. Is this in regard to 2006?
    - BJ, UK, 4/8/2008 3:20

    Since when has it ever been proved that there was an abduction?
    - TW, London, 4/8/2008 3:40

    I wonder if the UK press will ever report on this investigation without such blatant distortion and bias. Somehow I doubt it. The majority of the public will have to rely on the Portuguese press and media to find out the truth about the case and about the McCanns. I hope that they will take the time to do so.
    - Jolie, US, 4/8/2008 6:27

    The release of these documents are due process of the Portuguese Law now that the case is shelved. It was that same law, that is making the McCanns arguidos that protected Mrs McCann from answering a list of some 40+ questions. Why would you refuse to co-operate in an investigation to find your missing child.
    - uneekie, Stroud, UK, 4/8/2008 8:01

    Why are Amaral's statements "vile smears" and the McCanns' abduction theory the only thing we must believe in even if there is no evidence of an abduction.
    - Jayne, England, 4/8/2008 8:53

    So the public will now know the nitty gritties of the entire saga, if the newspapers publish it!. I must say i will like to know more about the questions that Kate refused to answer, viz: question no 41. Also what the Leicester police did about the crucial witness statement made by 2 doctor friends of the Mccanns about a member of the tourist party.
    - Matt67, Bath, 4/8/2008 9:12

    Kate was happy to leave 48 stones to unturned.
    - Polly, Ilkley, 4/8/2008 9:37

    Too many unanswered questions, can't just forget about this little girl.
    - John Smith, London, England, 4/8/2008 9:37

    There were no "border patrols" to alert, so why keep on about something that didn't exist?
    - Verity, Blighty, 4/8/2008 9:47

    Why putting so much effort on the "border patrol", everybody knows that border control hardly exists, try to cross Dover to Calais and you will find out how it (does not) works.
    - RA, London, England, 4/8/2008 9:57

    Remember all the other children who have vanished, including Ben Needham, who haven't had this much public interest and sympathy.
    - Doris, Yorkshire, 4/8/2008 10:00

    Let them sink into anonymity, the sooner the better.
    - Gerry, Derby, England, 4/8/2008 10:13

    God Bless Madde
    - John, Askim, Sweden, 4/8/2008 10:23
    Op een paar voorspelbare reacties na is toch wel te merken dat lezers echt wel op hoogte zijn, echt wel...

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    You are my sunshine......
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    Inderdaad Suko, wat een heisa om een case die op de plank ligt..... Goedemiddag!

    Net wat we al dachten zo langzamerhand komt er veel meer bovendrijven, nu de secrecy is gelift wordt er steeds meer boven tafel gehaald.
    De McCanns willen nu een mediastop hebben, alles wat ze ontdekken wordt meteen naat Metodo3 gestuurd, ze hebben de pers en het publiek dus blijkbaar niet meer nodig in hun zoektocht naar Maddy maar nog wel graag geld doneren alsjeblieft.......

    *Sorry, ben het weekeind een beetje ziek geweest, zomergriepje, ben er weer hoor.*
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    , Police Files Go Public And Maddie Wristbands On eBay

    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann…

    BRACE yourselves for lots of Madeleine McCann shocker headlines. Portuguese police might have shelved the case, but the thousands of pages of evidence assembled in the official search for the missing child are expected to be made public at 2pm today.

    Hacks will today be able to look through thousands of pages of witness statements, transcripts of interviews with the McCanns, tip offs and details of the lines of inquiry detectives pursued.

    Kate McCann and her husband Gerry have been officially cleared of any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

    BELFAST TELEGRAPH: “Holmes ‘robbed of £10,000′ while on Algarve holiday”

    Those dirty foreign basta…

    Ulster-born telly star Eamonn Holmes has had thousands of pounds stolen in a burglary in Portugal — and he has slammed the local police investigation.

    Eamonn was playing golf at the time. Chilling, indeed. Is he ok, or has he taken a knock to the head? Says Eamonn:

    “Like Kate and Gerry McCann, I’ve had dealings with the Portuguese police. But unlike Kate and Gerry, I was only trying to report a burglary — not the theft of my child.

    “One of the things obvious to anyone dealing with the police on the Algarve is the sorry fact that no matter what you have lost, there simply isn’t enough of them to begin tracking it down.

    “That may be one of the worst twists of fate in what happened to Madeleine — that tragically, she went missing in the wrong place.”

    If only they’d been playing golf…

    THE SUN: “Kate ‘fell silent’ in police quiz”

    KATE McCann refused to answer 48 questions when probed by Portuguese cops over her missing daughter Madeleine, it was revealed yesterday.

    Kate McCann was interviewed by Portuguese police on September 7 2007.

    Cops also asked whether she gave the children medication and if it was true that she sometimes despaired of their behaviour and had considered handing custody of Maddie to a relative.

    Why should the Sun mention this one question from 48?

    Says McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “Kate was well within her rights not to answer if she didn’t want to.”

    Indeed. And since when has a police question necessitated a base in fact? Do you know what speed you answer going sir? Hello, hello, hello, what have we here, then? Why don’t you just tell the truth and it will all be over?

    DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine dossier will finally be made public after Portuguese secrecy laws are lifted”

    The contents of the Madeleine McCann case files will be unlocked today, ending 15 months of leaks, smears and innuendo. (See above.)

    The couple have several teams of detectives on standby ready to travel across the world to check any potential leads.

    Ready, steady…

    Demand to see the case file has been so great that court officials have scanned the pages into a computer and compiled them on DVDs.

    And handed them to the HMCR for safe keeping…

    NEWS & EVENTS (Blog) “Madeleine McCann Wristband Sold On Ebay? Was sold on ebay for £72.63”

    Brace yourselves…
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/187118.html
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    Hooooooi Kahaarin, mooi dat je weer wat bent opgeknapt. Ulster-born telly star Eamonn Holmes is ronduit walgelijk in het artikel uit Anorak... Ik denk eigenlijk dat de smerigheid nu echt boven tafel komt, het i-net staat er bol van. En die 48 onbeantwoorde vragen voor Kate spreken boekdelen. Ook dat ze kennelijk Madeleine uit handen wilde geven aan een familielid, iemand uit die hoek heeft dan mogelijk verteld. Al meer wordt mij iig duidelijk wat die 81 ozo gewilde documenten (die de McCanns per se wilde hebben) dat soort info bevat en méér. En verder ben ik van mening dat Kate McCann niet helemaal fris in 't hoofd is. Een aandachtrekkend kindvrouwtje die geen weg weet met haar eigen kinderen en haar leven danig in de war gooien. Met name een druk kind (en wat er meer met M aan de hand is....) is niet aan haar besteed, en bovendien was M een vaderskindje. Helaas was Gerry McCann heel weinig thuis, hij bemoeide zich minimaal met de kinderen/opvoeding. Ik vond hier een onthullend beeld van moeders die hun kind ombrengen, ik herkende direct Kate McCann, ik vond het schokkend...

    En verder wederom een artikel uit de Correio da Manhã (cq uit de vrijgegeven documenten) op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
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    Evidence was manipulated - Correio da Manhã

    InvestigationPJ believes that the McCann couple altered the crime scene in order to simulate the abduction

    Maddie’s parents accused of changing the disposition of the furniture and of washing the sofa

    The Polícia Judiciária has no doubts that Maddie’s parents changed the disposition of furniture and objects in the apartment where Maddie disappeared from on the evening of May 3, 2007, in the Algarve, thus manipulating the crime scene in order to better justify the abduction theory that they always defended.

    According to the Polícia Judiciária’s investigation, which from today onwards is public, the coincidence between the marking of cadaver odour and blood which was given by the sniffer dogs behind the sofa “indubitably” proves that the sofa was pushed against the wall after the little girl’s death. On the other hand, given the few indicia that was collected from this piece of furniture, which was located on the same spot where the dogs gave a signal, the Judiciária admits the possibility that it was “subject to washing” in order to eliminate eventual traces.

    Soft toy placed on the bed (afbeelfing, gevonden sporen)

    “There are strong indicia that they altered the crime scene, moving some of the furniture. The changes are indicators of simulation”, one of the PJ’s reports reads, also revealing that Maddie’s soft toy, which was found at the top of the bed where Maddie slept, was placed there at a posterior moment, given the fact that contrary to the soft toy, the bed failed to reveal cadaver odour.

    “There was an intentional modification, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of the picture of abduction”, one can read in the process, where the investigators recall that the procedures from the family were in such manner as to conduct the investigation into the direction of the abduction thesis. The Polícia Judiciária believes that the false abduction was “worked by the group”, which made the investigators “waste time”.

    McCanns mentioned death to the PJ

    The possibility that Madeleine is dead was raised to the PJ by the McCanns themselves, who suggested contacting a person to indicate the spot where the cadaver could be found. “This fact became unexplainable for the elements of the investigation”, the PJ writes, remembering that in front of the journalists, the parents continued to manifest the hope that they would find their daughter alive.

    The dogs never failed in 200 searches

    In over two hundred searches, ‘Eddie’ and ‘Keela’, the sniffer dogs of the springel spaniel breed that were used in the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie, did not give a single “false positive result”.

    The guarantee is given by English expert Martin Grime, who in the report about the search guarantees that the behaviour of the dog that is trained to detect cadaver odour “changed immediately after opening the front door of the apartment” where Madeleine McCann disappeared from.

    “He went into the apartment with above average interest”, the document reads, explaining that the dog signaled inside the couple’s bedroom, in the living room, behind the sofa and next to the side window. The same signs were given by the dog that is trained to detect blood residues. The dogs signaled the same spots and objects that are related to the McCanns – house, car and clothes – which was decisive for being made arguidos.

    Notes

    No credibility


    The deposition by Jane Tanner, who said she saw someone crossing the street carrying a child, was not considered credible by the PJ, which does not understand how the McCanns’ friend, upon seeing someone walking away from Madeleine’s apartment “did not act or speak out immediately”.

    Everyone lies

    The PJ says that the information that was collected from the McCanns and their friends was “worked upon” in order to strengthen the abduction theory. But it rapidly perceived that “everyone lies” in the issue of checking the children, further explaining that the family information, which in these cases is “fundamental”, was always “distorted”.

    Files Process is public – From today onwards, the files of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine can be consulted at the Court of Portimão by lawyers, witnesses and journalists.

    Brown Political pressures – Kate’s notebooks reveal that Maddie’s parents called the English prime minister, Gordon Brown, requesting for political pressure to be placed on Portugal.

    Book Amaral recounts death – The former coordinator of the Maddie case recounts in his book ‘Truth of the Lie’, his thesis about the case and defends that the little girl was killed in the apartment and her body frozen. source: Correio da Manhã, 04.08.2008, paper edition
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    Op maandag 4 augustus 2008 13:28 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Hooooooi Kahaarin, mooi dat je weer wat bent opgeknapt. Ulster-born telly star Eamonn Holmes is ronduit walgelijk in het artikel uit Anorak... Ik denk eigenlijk dat de smerigheid nu echt boven tafel komt, het i-net staat er bol van. En die 48 onbeantwoorde vragen voor Kate spreken boekdelen. Ook dat ze kennelijk Madeleine uit handen wilde geven aan een familielid, iemand uit die hoek heeft dan mogelijk verteld. Al meer wordt mij iig duidelijk wat die 81 ozo gewilde documenten (die de McCanns per se wilde hebben) dat soort info bevat en méér. En verder ben ik van mening dat Kate McCann niet helemaal fris in 't hoofd is. Een aandachtrekkend kindvrouwtje die geen weg weet met haar eigen kinderen en haar leven danig in de war gooien. Met name een druk kind (en wat er meer met M aan de hand is....) is niet aan haar besteed, en bovendien was M een vaderskindje. Helaas was Gerry McCann heel weinig thuis, hij bemoeide zich minimaal met de kinderen/opvoeding. Ik vond hier een onthullend beeld van moeders die hun kind ombrengen, ik herkende direct Kate McCann, ik vond het schokkend...
    Thnx Suko!

    Even dit stukje uit jouw link:
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    "Women who kill their children tend to be very needy. They need attention and an outlet for their frustrations," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "Being self absorbed is common. Over time, the responsibility of raising children becomes frightening to them. They do not feel mature enough to handle their own lives, let alone the lives of little ones. So they begin to revert as a form of saying 'I can't take this.' In other words, they become child-like. Prior to killing, they begin slipping into increasingly outlandish behaviors. It is a twisted form of a cry for help.So, instead of staying home with the children and working on becoming more emotionally stable, they engage in teenager type behaviors. They have affairs and quit their jobs. Going out at a moment's notice becomes routine and they withdraw from their children."

    Once they start withdrawing, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said, they begin to lose themselves in fantasy - thinking about what their lives were like before they had children.
    Ik moest idd meteen denken aan de buurvrouw die huilen had gehoord, of Kate was er wel en het is uit de hand gelopen of Kate was weggegaan en er is een ongeluk gebeurd, als je de lijn van dit artikel volgt dan....Is ook een theorie, ik had al eerder gepost dat ik het gedrag van Kate vreemd vond, Gerry heeft alle vragen beantwoord, zij niet, zij heeft Maddy's vermissing opgemerkt en is meteen begonnen over een ontvoering, plus dat er met de crime scene is gesold en zowel de tijdlijn als het tijdstip waarop de politie is gebeld niet klopt....hmmm. Mogelijk.
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      maandag 4 augustus 2008 @ 17:28:26 #102
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    Dossier onderzoek Madeleine McCann openbaar
    De Portugese politie heeft het onderzoeksdossier in de verdwijningszaak van Madeleine McCann openbaar gemaakt. Het dossier telt dertigduizend pagina's.
    (Novum/AP) - De Portugese politie heeft het onderzoeksdossier in de verdwijningszaak van Madeleine McCann openbaar gemaakt. Het dertigduizend pagina's tellende dossier kon maandag door journalisten worden aangevraagd.

    Vorige maand beval de Portugese procureur-generaal de politie het onderzoek te sluiten, omdat er geen nieuw bewijs werd gevonden. Madeleine McCann verdween in mei vorig jaar, enkele dagen voor haar vierde verjaardag, uit het vakantieappartement van haar ouders in Praia da Luz in de Algarve. Een plaatselijke bewoner, de Brit Robert Murat, en de ouders van Madeleine werden aangemerkt als officiële verdachten. Alledrie hebben zij elke betrokkenheid bij de verdwijning ontkend.

    De ouders, Kate en Gerry McCann, kregen vorige week al toegang tot het dossier. Ze hopen dat privédetectives er aanwijzingen in zien die kunnen leiden tot de oplossing van het mysterie van hun dochters verdwijning.

    Om in het bezit te komen van het dossier moeten journalisten eerst een officieel verzoek indienen en zich in persoon melden bij een rechtbbank in de Algarve. Vervolgens wordt het dossier op een meegebrachte dvd gebrand.
    Goh, hoe makkelijk kan het zijn, het volledige dossier is dus op te vragen.....
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    Yep, dat maakte Lusa vorige week bekend en het publiek in september, maar een deel blijft achter slot en grendel, maar wat er verbogen moet blijven (en op wiens verzoek?) is niet bekend, ook uit een eerdere post. En natuurlijk de 81 documenten die de McCanns in hun bezit hebben, er blijft nog steeds een deel verborgen. Nog een interview met Amaral, vertaald door Astro en op de site van Joana Morais gelezen:
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    Interview with Gonçalo Amaral - IOL Portugal Diário

    Maddie: the questions that were missing

    IOL PortugalDiário spoke with the former PJ inspector, Gonçalo Amaral and asked some questions

    This Monday, the Maddie process will no longer be subject to the judicial secrecy, and can be consulted by who requested to do so. IOL PortugalDiário asks the former inspector Gonçalo Amaral some questions. The goal is to try to shed some light on aspects of the investigation, which was questioned early on


    In your book, you write that you believe that Maddie died in the apartment, on the 3rd of May. When did you form the conviction that the child was dead?

    It was with the dogs’ work. That was when we were most convinced.

    But when did you sum “two plus two”?

    That is part of the investigation work and the logics of the investigator. He joins things throughout time. There was atypical behaviour from the witnesses right away, which then transforms into indicia.

    Then one realizes that people are lying. How can anyone who has the obligation to cooperate with the police, not do so?! All the person wants is to receive information and all that the person says is a lie?!

    Then it was necessary to understand why they lied. Were they afraid of the police? Of its reaction? Of the exposure and abandonment of the children? But when we asked, they said no, and insisted that the little girl had been abducted. This immediately caused strangeness and suspicion.

    According to your book, the body was preserved and you have already stated that you suspect it was frozen. If it were so, were could it have been hidden?

    Any investigator knows that when there is a group of people that is on holidays, foreigners or not, it is necessary to discover what means they had available to, for example, move the body. But the McCanns and their friends, at that point in time, only knew the route between the beach and the resort. To us, taking into account how little they knew the area, it would be normal that if they did anything, they would move towards the beach. Later on there is the Irish family, which guarantees that they saw a man walking towards the beach, carrying a child. It was something that matched our suspicions.

    Does that mean that from your point of view, the body may have remained on the beach?

    Yes. But how long was it there for? It is unknown. It is true that the area was searched by the dogs. But some people say that the smell of salted water may lead the dogs not to indicate where the body was. There is also the possibility that the body was taken to another location on that very same night. It is materially possible. The body may have been moved three or more times.

    In your book, you also mention political and diplomatic pressures. Was the PJ ever contacted by the British government?

    There is an intervention from the British government, even though it was somewhat clumsy. Mainly from the present prime minister, Gordon Brown. He spoke with Kate and with the English authorities that were involved in the investigation. And he also spoke with José Sócrates [Portuguese prime minister]. As far as I know, he never spoke directly with the PJ.

    But where did the alleged power of the couple, which you have been suggesting, come from?

    On the first night, a dossier about the family was requested, which the English authorities never sent. It was said that they were connected to commissions that emitted opinion reports on nuclear issues, but none of that was ever confirmed officially. Connections to political parties were also mentioned.

    Did the British police send information about the McCanns and their friends?

    No. They never sent the information that we requested. In fact, they did send only once, financial information. They stated that the couple had a mortgage and that there was no knowledge of any credit or debit cards. How didn’t they have any? The registration of the rental car mentions the card numbers. Concerning the other members of the group, the information was also only that.

    Maddie: the leads that remained unexplored

    The former inspector speaks about what could have been done in the investigation and says that making Murat an arguido was not a mistake

    The PJ’s report dismisses the Smiths’ testimony, due to the hour at which they say they saw the person with the child…

    It cannot be that way, because nobody knows for sure at what time the things happened. The reconstitution was not made, therefore it is impossible to know for certain. The employees do not state that Gerry McCann was in the restaurant. They only say that people were seating down and getting up from the table. Their testimony [Smith] is very credible. The way how the person walked, the clumsy manner in which the child was held. It is nothing that sounds invented. Is it evidence? Certainly not. It is information that has to be worked further.

    When you were removed from the case, they were planning to return to Portugal. But they desisted from the diligence…

    The family should have come to Portugal and they didn’t. It was not done on purpose, but a person cannot be left waiting to be heard over five months. That allowed for, according to what I have heard, the Irish family to be contacted and the target of coercion. Several people went there and they were not from the police. He even had to get himself a lawyer to try to get things into order. Before the police arrived to hear them, several persons had tried to speak to them. And they were not the only ones.

    In the book “Maddie Truth of the Lie” you mention a polish lead and you say that it is a loose end…

    Nobody cares about that. We should have gone there or made a rogatory letter. They (Polish police) misunderstood the goal. They went looking for the child and we asked for an intervention to control them first. The issue was the photographs. The man never let go of the camera. We wanted to know what photographs were on the camera and if maybe there was one of Maddie.

    Despite your theory that the girl died on that evening, wouldn’t there be a possibility that this couple “dispatched” the child within a few hours?

    That is already speculation. We inspected the apartment where they were staying. Blood was even found inside the apartment and it was not Maddie’s. We cannot forget that when we intervene, they are not in Portugal anymore.

    Could you have gone further with this couple?

    We could. And if they were here in Portugal we could have done even more. But then the route of the investigation takes us elsewhere.

    Was it a mistake to make Murat an arguido?

    No, it was not. A mistake would have been if we had not acted in the manner that we did and he would always remain a suspect without being able to defend himself. Now he has even received a compensation. Have you noticed that nobody has requested the instruction of the process? He could have done that.

    Did the Joana case contribute to your removal?

    It cannot have contributed. The national director knows that the issue are two social psychopaths – considered by the IML [national institute for forensic medicine] – that lie. The issue is my word and the word of a psychopath.

    May the noise of the case have had some influence?

    When the first news came out I called for the attention of the director in Faro. What I said at that time was: maybe it’s best for the process to leave Portimão, or for me to step aside from the investigation.

    Did you consider the possibility of leaving the Maddie case?

    I did. And the feedback that I got was that I had full support.

    Don’t you repent that you did not go to the location [on the night of the events]?

    There are several ways to coordinate. And one of them is over the phone. No, I have no regrets.

    Don’t you think that the result might have been different?

    It is possible. At least there would have been someone, and I have a good memory, who would remember how they were dressed that evening.

    Maddie: the questions from the readers

    IOL PortugalDiário allowed for its readers to ask questions from the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral. Among several that were received, here are the ones that were chosen by the redaction

    Could the tests have been made at another laboratory, like for example the FBI’s? (question from Michael Williams)

    That is another group decision. And it is decided in order to somehow compromise the other side. There was already that “bad posture”, let’s put it that way, from the English tabloids. The idea was for them to be compromised with the results. But yes, it could have been done at another lab, it didn’t even need to go to the United States, there are some very good ones in Europe.

    Were the diligences the same in the cases of Joana and Maddie? (question from Luís Nogueiro)

    The first diligences were the same.

    How do you comment on the statements from the former President Jorge Sampaio? (question from Fernando Moura das Neves)

    I think it is a concern. Deep down, he is not against the publication of the book. Maybe what he meant is that it was not necessary to go this far.

    Was anything done about the church where the McCanns spent so much time and to which they had the key? (identified reader)

    There were never any motives to question the catholic church. There is no indice that points towards the child being there, at least up to the moment when she was transported in the car. Even because there are no freezers there, or cold spots that would allow for the body to be kept at that location.

    Was no cadaver odour or other indicia ever found on the father’s clothes? (identified reader)

    No. We don’t know what he was wearing on the night of the disappearance. If it was him who was seen carrying the child, those clothes may even not exist anymore. He went to London and he might have washed it. As a matter of fact, we never knew what anyone of the group was wearing on the evening of the facts.

    IOL PortugalDiário remembers that the process of the disappearance of Maddie was archived and that Kate and Gerry McCann and Robert Murat, stopped being arguidos on the 21st of July. Maddie’s parents have made it known that they intend to sue Gonçalo Amaral, following the publication of the book “Maddie: Truth of the Lie”. source: IOL PortugalDiário, 03/04.08.2008
    Paar puntjes, Amaral zegt dat ze de omgeving niet kende behalve dan de weg naar het strand vanaf het resort. Dat is niet helemaal waar, de McCanns zijn daar eerder geweest zoals bleek uit een reportage van BBC-verslaggeefster Jane Hill, eerdere post.

    Wat betreft die connecties van de McCanns, Amaral heeft het over "It was said that they were connected to commissions that emitted opinion reports on nuclear issues, but none of that was ever confirmed officially. Connections to political parties were also mentioned." Dat kan kloppen, Gerry is adviserend commissielid van Comare (COMARE is an independent expert advisory committee with members chosen for their medical and scientific expertise and recruited from Universities, Research and Medical Institutes. Members have never been drawn from the Nuclear or Electrical Power Supply Industries) die weer advies geeft aan de regering, ook Richard Branson wil zich hiermee bezig houden, is ook praktiserend Labour-lid én vriend van Andrew Brown, yes...broer van. Uit een eerdere post. Die banden met peopletjes at higher places zijn er dus inderdaad. Ook warme banden met de Britse Minister van BZ Dave Milliband. Bron

    Tjonge, over die Smith-tjes uit Ierland, die menen Gerry McCann met Madeleine in z'n armen in die fatale nacht te herkennen, wat zijn die mensen 'lastig' gevallen en niet door cops...Over die Pool die kennelijk constant allerlei foto's nam, wat voor connectie heeft die met de McCanns?

    De documenten op dvd worden verstrekt: DVD's distribuction at Portimão Court > Plaatje

    En verder nog: "SOS Madeleine McCann: Russell O'Brien was allowed to refer to Jane Tanner's statements before he was questioned." Bron In het kort: Refreshing the memory "Russel James O'Brien was allowed to read a previous statement fom his wife, Jane Tanner, before being questioned by Leicestershire Police, on April 2008. The questioning, with the presence of PC Andrew Gierc, was videotaped and at the beginning of the video recording, O'Russell states that he was allowed to refresh his memory concerning the events on the night of May 3, 2007, by reading what Jane Tanner, also questioned by Leicestershire Police, had stated before." Bron

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    [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 04-08-2008 21:37:08 (artikeltje bijgevoegd) ]
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    Eerst was het dat de McCanns niet mochten praten ivm de secrecy laws maar nu dit is opgeheven zegt Clarence Mitchell in de diverse Britse kranten waaronder Sky News:
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    "The McCanns are keen not to give "a running commentary" on their legal team's trawl through the files, family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said today. And they are reluctant to respond to questions raised by journalists allowed access to the documents.

    Mr Mitchell said: "The Portuguese Attorney General, in his recent statement, made it very clear indeed that there's absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing by Kate and Gerry in any way, shape or form and journalists should bear that in mind when they examine the police files. "A lot of this is historical detail drafted by officers who failed to find Madeleine and who quite wrongfully were going down inaccurate lines of supposition and assumption. "We will not be commenting on any of this.
    How convient....

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    Wanneer zal het hele dossier online te bekijken zijn??
    haastige spoed is zelden goed, maar kom ik te laat sta ik op straat.
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    Op maandag 4 augustus 2008 21:59 schreef Ledikant56 het volgende:
    Wanneer zal het hele dossier online te bekijken zijn??
    Die info heb ik nog niet gelezen, wel dat de files in september publiek worden gemaakt. Mogelijk wordt er een site opgezet, met een zoekfunctie....wel zo handig.

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    En de Britse pers volgt nog steeds braaf 'onze' Clarence Mitchell, by Joana Morais
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    McCanns: British Media Press Releases or Telepathy?

    What is interesting is that the British media is running the exact same story - it makes me wonder if a prepared press release about Mr. John Lowe of the FSS service and that specific e-mail was already done to be served and fed for distribution. That or all the British Journalists have telepathy and decided from 20 000 files to pick that specific one and write a very similar in words and content article. Yeah right, the British Journalists are all telepathes!

    Telegraph/Express/Daily Mail/Guardian/Herald (and all the others from the Island)

    Scientist issued McCann DNA warning

    The officer wrote that Mr McCann was told his daughter's DNA was discovered in the boot of the rented Renault Scenic and behind a sofa in the family's holiday apartment. The notes said: "Confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was gathered from behind the sofa and from the boot of the vehicle, and analysed by a British laboratory, he said he could not explain why this would be."

    This contradicted the Forensic Science Service (FSS) expert's opinion that the sample found in the car could not be definitively linked to the little girl.

    Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the 40-year-olds from Rothley, Leicestershire, said: "You have to ask what the police were trying to achieve by over-presenting evidence that they did not have, and clearly could not claim to have." (...)


    The files released yesterday include an email written on September 3 2007 by John Lowe, from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, warning that it was impossible to conclude whether DNA from the Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after Madeleine disappeared, came directly from the missing girl. Lowe told Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, head of the British side of the investigation, that the results were "too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion".

    Lowe wrote: "Let's look at the question that is being asked: 'Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?' It would be very simple to say 'yes' simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

    "What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance."

    The components of the missing girl's DNA profile were not unique to her; in fact some were present among FSS scientists, including himself. He wrote: "We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match?"

    The warning was passed to the Portuguese police the following day. Despite this, the McCanns were identified as suspects. Mitchell said yesterday: "The search for Madeleine goes on. Kate and Gerry ... know there is a possibility that Madeleine could be dead, and could be long dead. However, there is absolutely no evidence that she is dead." (...)
    Zelf vind ik het nuttig dit onderstaande artikel te plaatsen:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Reversed Investigation

    Talking with Pinto da Costa – Forensic Medicine Expert 27/07/08

    Reversed Investigation


    In the book ‘The Truth of The Lie’ Gonçalo Amaral, the PJ coordinator who was removed from the ‘Maddie Case’ has no doubts about the death of the girl. Pinto da Costa follows his considerations.

    Specialist in Forensic Medicine, Pinto da Costa supports the thesis followed by Gonçalo Amaral, which points to the death of Madeleine McCann. The professor does not understand the reason why the analyses done by the British laboratory are not conclusive and he manifests the conviction that, soon or later, the truth will be known. The biggest problem, according to the President of the Portuguese Section of International Transparency [sic], resided in the incorrect way the investigation was carried out. Pinto da Costa understands that the death hypothesis should have been pursued since the beginning.

    Do you believe in the thesis defended by Gonçalo Amaral, according to which Madeleine McCann died accidentally in the night of her disappearance?

    It does seem possible that that has taken place based on the circumstances of the cadaver dogs who signalled [death triggers] the existence of a cadaver and, also of blood with the genetic profile of the girl.

    The English Laboratory said the analyses are not conclusive...

    What the Laboratory concluded was that, in a total of 19 alleles [genetic markers], 15 are present in the sample examined. In Portugal, in order to guarantee the authenticity of progeny [descendants, children], that is, in the paternity tests we use 15 alleles. Therefore, the results obtained by the British Laboratory are extremely significant. Thus, they seem, pertinent in the consideration that the child could have died in the apartment. Another hypothesis is that she could have died outside and then the body was moved inside [the apartment].

    Isn’t there, in Portugal, technical capacity to do this kind of analyses?

    Yes, they could have been done in Portugal. I believe that either the Scientific Police Laboratory of the Judiciary Police or the various Forensic Medicine Institutes have the conditions to perform them. That did not happen possibly for the reason that the persons at issue were of English nationality.

    The explanation given by Gonçalo Amaral, that the corpse was frozen or preserved in cold, for more than 20 days, also seems plausible?

    What I believe is that the body was not totally decomposed. There are situations when the cadaver is preserved more or less without adding any substance, like ice, for example. Besides, we should not forget that this is the body of a child and not of an adult, who decays more rapidly.

    Do you believe the Truth will be discovered?

    Yes, when all entities involved are at a distance. The midwives fight, the truths are discovered. [Portuguese Proverb: "Zangam-se as comadres, sabem-se as verdades."]. The process has so many contradictions that, it is impossible to have one truth.

    And what exactly is at the origin of so many contradictions?

    The fact that the investigation started incorrectly. It should have started with the exaggeration of the positive and with the assumption that the child was killed. Even because the existence of maltreatment is a reality and in these cases, the number one suspect is the father, not the stepfather, the uncle or any other person. At another side, the scene should have been put immediately in custody to avoid its violation, because the examination of the scene is fundamental. The parents presented the abduction hypothesis, but those who do a criminal investigation have to have their ‘heads cold’ [‘cuca fria’- meaning open and objective mind], as they say in Brazil, and cannot deviate from the essential. The investigation was done in reverse.

    Source: Jornal de Notícias, paper edition - 26 July 2008

    Note: Professor Pinto da Costa was the Director of the Portuguese Forensic Institute [INML] for several years. by Joana Morais
    En nog twee quotootjes uit Amaral's book 'The truth of The Lie':
    quote:
    "Less clear would be the analyses on the hair that was found in the car boot. The tests that were performed on those did not arrive at the same time as the rest. Until the date when Amaral left, there were no results. The hair samples were requested from the lab, but it “didn’t want to let go” of the samples"
    En ook uit Amaral's boek:
    quote:
    "on page 183 (chapter 19), a "failure" from the FSS is mentioned: the analyses on the hair samples are missing. Stuart Prior contacts the FSS on the PJ's request. The analyses had not been done yet. The PJ does not only want to know whether the hair belongs to M - above everything else, they want to knwo whether they came from a living or a dead person. The FSS is in no condition to reply to the latter; only to the former. English colleagues who are present at the meeting, raise the possibility of sending the hair to a European lab that is able to clarify the issue: hair from a living or a dead person. The FSS is not prepared to let go of the hair samples. They inform the PJ, via Stuart Prior, that a process of comparison of hair colour would establish whether the hair belonged to M. The next step would be to identify the DNA - which never happened.
    Meer is hier te lezen qua voor-publicatie van zijn boek: "Madeleine died in the apartment" - Correio da Manhã

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    Nieuws/info is te lezen op o.a: Joana Morais + mccannfiles + Cutting through the Rubbish + Proud of the PJ
    pi_60579262
    Ik plaats hier een persoonlijk statement van de vertalers Astro en Joana Morais, als zij er niet waren dan waren vele ontwikkelingen in de zaak Madeleine McCann onbelicht gebleven en hadden we alleen PR-praatjes (Clarrie-crap) van Clarence Mitchell 'mogen' lezen. En nu zeggen ze wederom niks, eerst mocht het niet, waarom nu nog steeds die silence alom??? Ah natuurlijk, het wachten is op de Exclusives, the money you know... pfff. Ik hou er ff mee op, heb al weer teveel vooringenomenheid gelezen/gehoord en wat overblijft is een strijd tussen de UK en Portugal. Arrogantie, politieke druk, advertentie-inkomsten, bedreigingen, manipulatie, gesjoemel met bewijsmateriaal, betaalde getuigenissen/sightings, leugens, list en bedrog, angst om te praten, pedo-alerts, xenofobie etc etc etc. Verder is eigenlijk alles wel van toepassing om maar niet de waarheid naar boven te krijgen. Werkelijk alles is in stelling gebracht en men kan zich alleen maar afvragen wat en wie (en waarom) hier achterzit(ten). Totdat er een novum (iets echt nieuws dat het onderzoek wordt hervat/heropend) naar voren komt, of iets sensationeels IMO, tot zolang blijf ik in lurkstand. Om maar een beetje cynisch te eindigen, de gewilde adoptie van Madeleine McCann is gslaagd....deze (onbeantwoorde) vraag aan Kate (van de 48) was er niet voor niks tijdens het verhoor: "41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?" Wat ik al aan het begin vermoedde, Madeleine was niet gewenst. How sad...
    quote:
    A personal comment

    "Among the motives to consider that the couple had no responsibilities in their daughter’s disappearance, the PM points out, in the archiving dispatch, that none of them was in the apartment when the child disappeared."

    The above is an indirect quote from the Public Ministry's archiving dispatch that was appended to the process files, a quote taken from an article that was published by Sol, and sourced from Lusa.

    I rarely comment on the case on this blog - my posts are mainly dedicated to translations of articles that appear in the Portuguese press, regardless of their contents, because I firmly believe that only by making information generally available, can readers make up their own minds, instead of being shepherded by the media in one or another direction.

    There have been many moments, throughout the last 15 months, that have made me feel sad, discouraged, helpless – ultimately impotent to really help in finding a missing child that, for one reason or another, has concentrated our attention and gripped our emotions.

    But I honestly cannot remember a moment that even comes close to making me feel as low as I felt yesterday evening, when I read the above mentioned quote.

    Never mind that the whole archiving dispatch reads more like a work from a defence lawyer than from a prosecutor.

    Never mind that the head prosecutor did not sign the dispatch, leaving the job up to a second in rank.

    Never mind that the process is archived with more open questions than answers, and important diligences are dismissed.

    What I cannot accept, as a Portuguese citizen, in a case of manifest public interest, is that the Public Ministry holds information that the PJ acknowledges not to have been able to establish, and does not share that information in the process.

    The Public Ministry knows the exact time at which Madeleine disappeared.

    It also knows where the parents were at that moment.

    And finally, it sets one of the most innovative precedents in legal terms, that I had ever heard of: as long as you’re at least 100 metres away from your child, no matter what happens to the minor, it’s not your responsibility.

    Brilliant. by astro
    Well said!

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      dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 @ 20:33:18 #108
    37150 livelink
    keek op mijn week ( © DJ11)
    pi_60583861
    Suko, dank je wel voor je vele bijdrages hier. Madeleine is niet vergeten, mede dankzij jou

    Ik hoop dat er snel nieuwe, baandoorbrekende ontwikkelingen zullen zijn die jou uit je lurkstand halen en die Madeleine recht doen.
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
    pi_60584957
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 20:33 schreef livelink het volgende:
    Suko, dank je wel voor je vele bijdrages hier. Madeleine is niet vergeten, mede dankzij jou

    Ik hoop dat er snel nieuwe, baandoorbrekende ontwikkelingen zullen zijn die jou uit je lurkstand halen en die Madeleine recht doen.
    pi_60587373
    quote:
    AMSTERDAM - Vrijgegeven documenten laten zien dat een klein meisje dat zichzelf ´Maddie´ noemde, is gezien in Amsterdam tijdens de verdwijning van Madeleine McCann. Het meisje zou gezegd hebben dat ze was weggehaald tijdens de vakantie, meldt de Daily mail.
    Een 41-jarige Nederlandse winkelmedewerker Ana Stam heeft gezegd met Maddy te hebben gesproken. Het meisje zou in mei vorig jaar samen met een man, een vrouw en twee andere kinderen haar winkel zijn binnengekomen. Stam verklaarde in haar getuigenverklaring tegenover de Nederlandse politie dat de man er niet uitzag als een aardig persoon en waarschijnlijk Portugees sprak. De vrouw sprak Engels en vertelde dat ze een klein circus in Frankrijk hadden.

    Het jonge meisje vroeg vervolgens of Stam wist waar haar moeder was. Toen zij daarop antwoorde dat haar moeder achter in de winkel was, zei 'Maddie' dat die vrouw niet haar moeder was, maar een vreemdeling die haar van haar mama had weggenomen. Volgens Stam leek het meisje erg op Madeleine McCann, op de haarkleur na.

    Ook werden voor het eerst beelden vrijgegeven van een beveiligingscamera in een pompstation in de buurt van Praia da Luz waar de McCanns op vakantie waren. De foto is enkele uren na de verdwijning genomen.
    http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)sterdam__.html?p=4,2
    nog meer linkjes

    [ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door paddy op 05-08-2008 23:39:44 ]
    I Ask for so Little. Just Fear Me, Love Me, Do as I Say, and I Will Be Your Slave.
    User van NWS zei: Maak van internet een schoner riool! YES WE CAN!
    pi_60588822
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 20:33 schreef livelink het volgende:
    Suko, dank je wel voor je vele bijdrages hier. Madeleine is niet vergeten, mede dankzij jou
    En Kahaarin natuurlijk ook.

    Ik hoop ook op baandoorbrekende artikelen.
      † In Memoriam † woensdag 6 augustus 2008 @ 00:18:03 #112
    13819 Loedertje
    Trotse GILF.
    pi_60589672
    quote:
    De houding van het meisje op die camerabeelden is anders, de scheiding in het haar van het kleine meisje op de beelden is niet die van het verdwenen meisje, het meisje is zelfs iets groter en ik begrijp dan ook niet waarom deze beelden opeens in de krant verschijnen als zijnde *dit zou Maddy na de verdwijning kunnen zijn*

    Kul-verhaal.
    pi_60593385
    quote:
    Op woensdag 6 augustus 2008 00:18 schreef Loedertje het volgende:

    [..]

    De houding van het meisje op die camerabeelden is anders, de scheiding in het haar van het kleine meisje op de beelden is niet die van het verdwenen meisje, het meisje is zelfs iets groter en ik begrijp dan ook niet waarom deze beelden opeens in de krant verschijnen als zijnde *dit zou Maddy na de verdwijning kunnen zijn*

    Kul-verhaal.
    Ondanks dat ik lurk wilde ik ff jouw mening delen... Ter benadrukking, de media heeft alle info, het publiek krijgt pas in september inzage. Ergo, de komende weken komt er een enorme berg (Britse) spin op de lezer af die z'n weerga niet kent. Alvorens 'nieuws' te kunnen checken op waarheid worden meningen gekneed in de richting die Clarence Mitchell voor ogen heeft. 'Toevallig' brengen de bladen e.d. precies hetzelde nieuws, zoals Joana Morais al meldde, telepathie viert hoogtij. Het tot op de bodem afbranden van Portugal is al weer begonnen. Het gegeven dat er geen bewijs is voor ontvoering (de gedachte overheerst dat M niet meer leeft) wordt geheel ondergesneeuwd. En verder alle andere beschamende feiten zijn 'vergeten.' In de files zullen veel meer sithings/E-fits worden beschreven, én gepubliceerd. Die vrouw in het Belgische Tongeren (zij was echt overtuigd M te hebben gezien) was groot nieuws, er werd zelfs DNA van het drinkmateriaal genomen waaruit het meisje had gedronken, de McCanns toonde geen enkele interesse, en dat was met elke sighting zo, zij bleven toen gewoon de wereld rondreizen. Tot september dus wordt in korte tijd de lezer murw gemaakt, en als dan de files echt openbaar worden dan is het werk gedaan. Men heeft tenslotte via zorgvuldig uitgekozen materiaal de hersenen voorbereid en men kan niet anders dan met inachtneming wat nu loskomt, de files met tranen in de ogen lezen. Men trekt mogelijk weer de beurs open om alle sightings/sporen na te gaan, en daar is weer veel geld voor nodig, nieuwe campagnes wellicht? Komen alle vrienden en familieleden weer voorbij met tranentrekkende verhalen en ozo boos op Portugal?...Just an observation.
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 20:33 schreef livelink het volgende:
    Suko, dank je wel voor je vele bijdrages hier. Madeleine is niet vergeten, mede dankzij jou

    Ik hoop dat er snel nieuwe, baandoorbrekende ontwikkelingen zullen zijn die jou uit je lurkstand halen en die Madeleine recht doen.
    quote:
    Op dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 21:20 schreef yyentle het volgende:

    [..]

    quote:
    Op dinsdag 5 augustus 2008 23:46 schreef schatje het volgende:

    [..]

    En Kahaarin natuurlijk ook.

    Ik hoop ook op baandoorbrekende artikelen.
    Thx, vanzelfsprekend ook Kahaarin! Ik blijf wel lurken, maar dan vooral de Portugese pers via blogs en ook andere fora, zoals bekend:

    http://cuttingthroughtherubbish.blogspot.com/
    http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/
    http://proud-of-the-pj.blogspot.com/ (nu dicht ivm vakantie)
    http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/
    http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/
    http://justice4madeleine.forumz.cc/viewforum.php?f=2
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=d81c321313062f7cd947c82783060579&f=129
    http://madeleinemccann.org/tfm/
    http://www.truthformadeleine.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=13
    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/
    http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=35 (eerst registreren)
    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?JavaScript=1&search=Madeleine
    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html

    In afwachting van echt nieuws...

    [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 06-08-2008 08:56:46 ]
    pi_60594708
    Kijk kijk, dat is nieuws, deze leugen is inmiddels vet ontmakerd:
    quote:
    The McCann Case: A “Mystery girl” and Mr. Clarence doubts

    “Mystery girl in Maddy hunt” was today's headline of the Evening Standard. “The CCTV picture taken hours after she vanished from Algarve villa. Why did police keep it secret?”, asks the newspaper. The picture was taken on May 4 and PJ was informed of an alleged sighting of Madeleine.

    The same day, PJ inspectors J.C. Franco and C. Lucas, went to that gas station (from GALP, a Portuguese company) at A22, a highway that crosses Algarve, from East to West. The two inspectors, according to the report signed by them and included in the DVD files made available to journalists, got the CCTV images and showed Madeleine's picture to the employees of the shop.

    The employees confirmed that the girl they saw, a few hours before (11:10 am) was not Madeleine McCann. Images were viewed and analysed by PJ technicians and the result was negative – it was not Madeleine. The two PJ inspectors went also to the gas station on the opposite side of the highway (in the West-East direction), and the result was the same. They did it also at another Galp station, near Loulé, with the same results.

    "Just as a curiosity, the Metro refers that these images were seen by the McCann, who also ruled out the possibility of being her daughter. Anyway, the Evening Star even wrote that “it is not clear if the image released today was thoroughly checked by Portuguese officers.” Mr. Clarence Mitchell is quoted by the newspaper: "Was that sighting followed up and ruled out properly? We just don't know."

    PJ received a second information, the same day – May 4 – about a blonde girls seen in another shop, at another gas station. This one was a Repsol gas station, at Vale do Paraíso, near Albufeira. PJ Inspector A. Silva went there, got the CCTV images, talked with employees and it was easy to conclude it couldn't be Madeleine. As the PJ inspector wrote in his report (available at the DVD given to journalists) there was no positive identification and the child had very long hair, clearly visible. As hair grows at a rate of around 1 cm every month, Madeleine couldn't have a so long hair, on May 4, he wrote. The Daily Mail published the picture with a caption: “Clues: Another possible sighting contained in the file”... Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
    Uit de Metro: "This CCTV image was one of the earliest clues in the search for Madeleine McCann. Taken at a petrol station on the A22 motorway, which runs east to west across the Algarve, it shows a young blonde girl hand in hand with a woman. The picture was taken at 11.10am on May 4 last year - the day after Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment in nearby Praia da Luz. Police seized CCTV footage from the Galp service station and showed it to Madeleine's parents, the newly-released police files reveal. But the lead came to nothing after the McCanns said the girl in the image was not their daughter."

    Shame on you Clarence Mitchell! Keep on digging, the real journo's that is!

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      woensdag 6 augustus 2008 @ 11:55:37 #115
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_60597056
    Hey allemaal!

    *bloos* Dankjulliewel.....

    Suko, waar we al bang vooe waren dus, alle sightings worden nu weer uit de kast getrokken en volledig geanalyseerd, Amsterdam nu dus, als dit gesprek echt heeft plaatsgevonden mag die mevrouw Stam zich de ogen uit de kop schamen, wel heel toevallig dat ook zij met naam en toenaam in de pers verschijnt.
    Ik dacht dat we de tijd van smoke-screens nu wel hadden gehad.

    Paddy bedoelt deze denk ik:



    Dit meisje heeft langer haar en lijkt me groter dan Maddy, die was op moment van verdwijning nog maar bijna 4 jaar oud, dit meisje is wel al 6 denk ik, als je haar vergelijkt met de man is ze te groot voor een kleuter van bijna 4.
    be nice or go away
      woensdag 6 augustus 2008 @ 12:05:27 #116
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_60597329
    En dan dit, ik weet niet goed waarom het in de pers moet maar dit viel me ineens op:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Text of Kate McCann's letter to Paulo Rebelo
    This is the full text of Kate McCann's letter to Paulo Rebelo, the detective who took over the Madeleine McCann investigation in October last year:

    Last Updated: 10:24AM BST 06 Aug 2008

    4th December 2007


    Dear Mr Rebelo,


    I hope you do not mind me writing to you and that you will read my letter. I am Madeleine McCann's mother.

    I am not sure if you are a parent or not, but for my husband and myself, and the whole of our family, the last seven months has been the most difficult, sad and unbearable time that any parent could possibly imagine. Madeleine is the most precious thing in our life.


    As her mother, the pain and anxiety I feel for her is indescribable and the feeling of helplessness overwhelming. The 'accusations' and media smearing, although upsetting, are very much secondary.


    I am appealing to you as a fellow human being to work with us (if possible include us) and to remember that we are Madeleine's parents and have needs.


    With regard to this latter point, I would be grateful if you were able to keep us informed to some degree as to how the investigation is going - what work is being done to help find our daughter etc.


    I'm sure you will agree that this request is not unreasonable and is in fact humane.


    I am fairly familiar now with the workings of 'judicial secrecy' but even if we could have a little bit of information in the broadest of terms it would help.


    Lack of communication and a void of information, particularly as the parent of a missing child, is torture. We will continue to work with the PJ (and are keen to do so as soon as possible!) as we have done since that moment when I discovered that Madeleine had been taken.


    This shouldn't be about 'finger-pointing blame', nor should it be about differences in culture. It should be about a beautiful, innocent little girl who is still missing. She is the victim in all of this.


    It would be good for Madeleine if we could all work together to help find her and the person(s) who took her.


    I would be very grateful if you could give some thought and consideration to my letter and look forward to your reply. I can only ask.


    Yours sincerely,


    Kate McCann.
    http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)to-Paulo-Rebelo.html
    Wat me elke keer opvalt in reacties van haar mn, ze heeft het maar over haar needs, dat zij het zo zwaar heeft gehad, the smears, accusations....Ikke ikke ikke ikke ikke, oh ja Maddy's gone.

    In de cursieve stukjes heeft Kate het over haar moeilijkheden, in de dikgedrukte komt Maddy aan bod.

    This shouldn't be about 'finger-pointing blame', nor should it be about differences in culture. It should be about a beautiful, innocent little girl who is still missing. She is the victim in all of this.

    En als dit nu de hele tijd voorop stond, waarom dan geen reconstructie, er zijn nog 48 vragen onbeantwoord en ga zo maar door.....
    be nice or go away
      woensdag 6 augustus 2008 @ 23:04:35 #117
    159353 Tmaatje
    turrrbotrut
    pi_60612679
    Kahaarin & Suko bedankt voor jullie info; goed becommentarieerd en goed doordacht, ik ben benieuwd wat het dossier nog aan informatie bevat waar de internetgemeenschap iets mee kan, tenslotte heeft die minder last van politieke belangen...
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
      Redactie Frontpage donderdag 7 augustus 2008 @ 11:43:50 #118
    1150 crew  SunChaser
    Leuker wordt het niet
    pi_60622784
    quote:
    AMSTERDAMSE VERMOEDT DAT ZE ONTVOERDE MEISJE ZAG

    „Ik hou er serieus rekening mee dat ze het is.” Anna Stam, werkneemster van een Amsterdamse feestwinkel, loopt inmiddels al een jaar rond met de gedachte dat ze oog in oog heeft gestaan met de vermiste peuter Madeleine McCann, ofwel Maddie en haar ontvoerders.
    Uit het door de Portugese politie vrijgegeven onderzoeksdossier blijkt dat op aangeven van Stam in mei vorig jaar een uitvoerig onderzoek is gestart naar de vermissing van Maddie door de Amsterdamse politie. Na haar aangifte op 13 juni werden bewakingsbeelden onderzocht, de kassarol bekeken en een compositietekenaar naar Anna gestuurd. Aangezien de opnameapparatuur beelden automatisch wist na een week, was de ontmoeting met het meisje niet meer terug te halen. Op 18 juni is het rapport naar Portugal gestuurd. Uiteindelijk heeft het allemaal niets opgeleverd.
    Voor Anna Stam resteert momenteel alleen nog een onbehaaglijk gevoel. „Was het nieuws maar eerder bekend geworden, dan…” vraagt ze zich vertwijfeld af. Tijdens het gesprek toont ze zich weinig enthousiast over alle plotse media-aandacht. Ze hoopte alleen maar dat het vervullen van haar burgerplicht kon helpen. „Ik heb dan ook de politie gebeld toen ik rondliep met mijn verhaal en niet de pers.”
    Maddie werd op 3 mei vermist en op 8 mei 2007 bereikte het nieuws de Nederlandse media in volle omvang. Vlak na de verdwijning, nog voor de media over de zaak berichtten, kwam er bij Anna ineens een stel met twee kinderen binnen, met nog een meisje van een jaar of vijf. „Op zich vielen ze niet op, behalve dan dat het meisje iets apart liep van de rest. Het werd wel vreemd toen dat meisje ineens in perfect Engels vroeg of ik haar moeder had gezien”, zegt Stam.


    • De nuchtere werkneemster van een Amsterdamse feestwinkel Anna Stam denkt Maddie vorig jaar juni te hebben gezien. Ze was met haar ’ouders’ en nog twee kinderen in de winkel toen ze aan Anna vroeg: „Have you seen my mummy?”


    Op de vraag ’Have you seen my mummy?’ antwoordde Anna het meisje dat haar moeder achter in de winkel was, waarop het meisje antwoordde dat dat haar moeder niet was. ’She is a stranger, she took me from my mummy.’ En: ’They took me from my holiday’, had ze Anna ook nog toevertrouwd. „Ik vroeg hoe ze heette, waarop ik Maggy verstond. Toen ik vroeg of het Maggy was, corrigeerde ze me dat het Maddie was.”


    Bij de Amsterdamse Anna Stam gingen toen de eerste berichten over de ontvoering van Maddie McCann in de kranten en op televisie verschenen nog niet direct alle alarmbellen rinkelen. „Ik heb er eerst nog een paar weken mee rondgelopen. Het meisje had donkerblond haar en het ging in de pers constant om een blond meisje. Ook viel me het stukje in haar oog niet op (Maddie heeft een opvallend vlekje in haar oog, red.).”
    Toch liet de gedachte Anna niet meer los, waarna ze uiteindelijk toch naar de politie stapte. De werkneemster van een van de grootste feestartikelzaken van Europa werd meteen serieus genomen. „Ik ben daar geweest, ze zijn hier gekomen. Er zijn compositietekeningen gemaakt. Het lijkt nu alsof er in Portugal niets mee is gebeurd en ik vind het vooral vervelend dat de ouders nooit mijn verklaringen hebben doorgekregen. Belachelijk.”
    Volgens Anna kocht het stel dat het kleine meisje bij zich had voor een ’aanzienlijk’ bedrag aan spullen in de winkel. In haar verklaring bij de politie stelt ze dat het om 237 euro gaat. „Pruiken en maskers. Maar niet het soort waarmee je je kunt vermommen op straat. De pruiken waren heel opzichtig en de maskers een soort halloweenmaskers”, verduidelijkt Anna.
    „Ze wilden graag met creditcard betalen en ze drongen nog sterk aan. Ze moesten namelijk weer meteen verder reizen. Ik kreeg dan ook niet de indruk dat ze op vakantie waren in de buurt. Toen ik duidelijk maakte dat we geen creditcard accepteren, kwam de vrouw een dag later alleen terug om cash te betalen.”
    De mogelijke ontvoerders spraken onderling Portugees, tegen de kinderen Frans en tegen de medewerkster Engels. Maddie mocht vrij rondlopen in de winkel. „Het viel me wel op dat ze weinig emoties toonde. Normaal zijn kinderen vrolijk en enthousiast in onze winkel. Ik bood haar een ballon aan, maar die wilde ze niet.”


    De korte kennismaking met het kleine meisje heeft Anna nooit meer losgelaten. „We spraken er laatst nog over, hoe het toch met haar zou zijn. Ik hoop alleen maar dat de zaak nog wordt opgelost”, en naar lang aarzelen: „Ik denk dat ze nog leeft.”

    Hiaten
    Clarence Mitchell, de woordvoerder van de Madeleines ouders Gerry en Kate McCann, zegt dat de verklaring van Anna Stam voor hen ook ’nieuw’ is. Hoewel Mitchell haar getuigenis serieus neemt, zijn er wel een paar hiaten. „Zo is het opmerkelijk dat Madeleine zichzelf ’Maddie’ noemde. Dat deed ze nooit. Ze noemde zichzelf altijd Madeleine.”
    Wel zegt Mitchell dat de verklaring van Anna Stam ’net zo serieus wordt genomen en nagetrokken als alle andere tips’. „Onze privédetectives reizen op korte termijn naar Amsterdam om haar te spreken.”
    Volgens Mitchell heeft de Portugese politie weinig gecommuniceerd met Kate en Gerry over het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van hun dochter. „We kwamen er pas achter dat Madeleine zou zijn gezien in Amsterdam nadat het onderzoeksdossier openbaar is gemaakt. De Portugezen hebben ons in elk geval niets verteld.”
    Het is een algemeen bekend psychologisch verschijnsel dat hoe langer het duurt des te meer getuigen er dingen onbewust bijverzinnen. Ze zag Maddy voor 8 mei maar deed op 13 juni pas aangifte. Op 8 mei barstte het mediaspektakel los, had ze 5 weken om zichzelf wijs te maken dat t kind zei dat ze maddy heette en was ontvoerd.
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    Op woensdag 6 augustus 2008 23:04 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Kahaarin & Suko bedankt voor jullie info; goed becommentarieerd en goed doordacht, ik ben benieuwd wat het dossier nog aan informatie bevat waar de internetgemeenschap iets mee kan, tenslotte heeft die minder last van politieke belangen...
    Ha ha Tmaatje, ik blijf niet helemaal stil, alleen wat nieuws ter compenstie van al die Britse shit die over ons wordt uitgstort. Komtie...

    En zoals was te verwachten, een enorme berg rotzooi, komende uit de communicatie-machine van Clarence Mitchell, hoe kan het anders dat de meeste Britse kranten met vrijwel dezelfde verhalen komen. Ik concludeer dat de Britse journo's hun eigen brains hebben uitgezet, braindead als het ware, voor zichzelf onderzoeken/denken is geheel geheel geblokkeerd....

    Ik zou alleen iets plaatsen wat echt nieuws is, en dit is voor mij belangrijk genoeg. Over die Ierse Meneer Smith (die meent Gerry McCann die nacht te hebben gezien met M in z'n armen, links naar een eerdere post), die inderdaad, net als Robert Murat eerder is verblijd met een bezoekje van suikeroom Brian Kennedy. Gelukkig trapte Smit, net als Murat, daar niet in. Wat is dat toch met die Kennedy die Mitchell op de loonlijst heeft staan, en ook die dure advocaten betaald....Wát voor belang heeft hij erbij dat de coverup intact blijft? Anything to hide Mr. Kennedy????En Gerry McCann wordt alleen in z'n alibi bevestigd dat hij op het tijdstip dat de Smith-jes heb met M zagen lopen door die vrienden, maar barpersoneel: "who are unable to identify who is who and at what time the elements from the group left and returned to the restaurant."

    McCanns contacted witness that incriminates Gerry - Portugal Diário, van Joana Morais
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    Irishman says that he saw a man carrying a child on the evening of the disappearance. The PJ dismisses the deposition because the father was at the restaurant. But the employees fail to say who is who in the entries and exits by the group that evening

    The McCanns contacted the Irish Smith family, which says they saw Gerry, to a certainty of 60 to 80 percent, carrying a little girl towards the beach, on the evening when Maddie disappeared. But the contact was apparently made with the purpose of drawing a photofit of the alleged abductor, according to what the Irishman told the police in his country.

    In the Maddie case process, this contact was reportedly made by Brian Kennedy, the Scottish millionaire who financially helped the McCanns in the search for their daughter. The Irish officer who questions M. Smith, in Dublin, writes in his communication to the Portuguese police that Smith refused to participate in the making of the photofit and that he did not tell the story of what he saw to the McCanns’ friend.

    The moment in which Maddie’s parents contact M. Smith is not clear. But the Irish witness only refers it to the authorities when he is heard on the 23rd of January, after seeing the images on television that livened his memory, on the 9th of September: when Gerry leaves the plane in the United Kingdom and turns his head down, M. Smith identifies the gesture as similar to what he saw in Praia da Luz four months earlier.

    What woke up Smith’s memory?

    Days after this ‘click’, the Irishman told the Leicestershire police about his suspicions; the witness also stated that it might have been the way in which Gerry transported one of the twins that made him feel that the man who he saw near the Ocean Club could have been Maddie’s father.

    Smith even clarifies that he discussed that perception with the other members of his family, who also saw the man carrying the child in Praia da Luz, but only his wife had the same feeling. Nevertheless, she did not want to give a deposition.

    M. Smith also tells that he was harassed by the media that published false declarations in his name, and that at least six newspapers apologized. The Irish policeman who led the questioning refers that he does not believe that Smith is trying to please the press, given the fact that he is, in his own opinion, an authentic person and known locally as a very decent man.

    It is remembered that the alleged abductor was seen by the entire family, and it was the conviction of the three members, who were heard by the PJ on the 26th of May 2007, that the child was Madeleine. The street where the encounter took place is approximately five metres wide.

    PJ drops lead?

    After M. Smith contacted the British authorities, the Portuguese police is informed about this new perception from the Irishman. On the 27th of September, the PJ contacts the witness and confirms the information, as well as his availability to come to Portugal, once more, to give a new statement. A trip that never happened.

    After Gonçalo Amaral left, on the 2nd of October, the PJ requests a new deposition from the witness through the Irish police. This only takes place four months later, at the end of January, and arrives into the PJ’s hands on the 19th of February.

    But the Smiths’ witness statement was dismissed by the Portuguese authorities, because it was established that at the time of the sighting, Gerry was at the Tapas restaurant. According to the process, this information was corroborated by the friends of the couple and was not contested by the employees, who are unable to identify who is who and at what time the elements from the group left and returned to the restaurant.

    It is also remembered that the Public Ministry recognizes contradictions in the depositions by the friends, and considered that the reconstitution would be a very important diligence, in order to clarify the incoherencies.

    Without indicia that the McCann couple committed any crime, the Public Ministry ordered the archiving of the process. On the 21st of July, Kate and Gerry, along with Robert Murat, saw the arguido status lifted. source: IOL Portugal Diário, 06.08.2008 by astro
    Afbeelding waar de Smith-jes Gerry met M hebben zien lopen
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    The work of the dogs described by their coach Jornal de Notícias Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

    07 August 2008 - 00h30m Thanks to 'carilina' for translation]

    They were primarily responsible for the turnaround in the process, at a time when the Judicial Police had already left behind the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. The dog that detects the smell of corpses "Eddie", and the one that detects blood "Keela", were "very excited" when they entered the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, which was occupied by the couple McCann during the holidays.

    Although the images will only be viewed in September, in the dossier of the case you can read the report from Martin Grime, an expert on dogs used in research and an adviser to the FBI, who says he "noticed in the first instance", as soon as they entered the apartment, that the dogs "were very excited", and he as a coach "understands their body language."

    He explains that Eddie was the first one to come into action. When he entered the apartment "he caught an odour that he recognises". Martin noted that the animal walked the apartment in an attempt to locate the odor, and that he discovered it in the room behind the sofa. At that time, he began barking. Keela was the second to come into action. "She makes an indication to me only when she has found human blood, only human blood," said the expert, ensuring that "there must be something physical there, so that she can warn me."

    In the process, the Prosecutor notes that "any trace, even if invisible to the naked eye, collected using this type of dog, must be subject to expert analysis in an accredited laboratory."
    En verder een interessant artikel over die Belgian paedophile network op de site van Charlotte.

    En ook: Enfants Kidnappés 5/08/08: the McCann parents are less and less credible? Met als conclusie over het DNA-onderzoek: "Ok, what happened? LCN unreliable? The samples contaminated during the second analysis but not in the first? The first analysis botched by FSS? There would be a good way of finding out. When two experts contradict each other, a third analysis is carried out in an independent lab. But, alas, following an incident that remains unexplained, the only existing DNA samples were, unforunately, lost or destroyed by the laboratory, which renders impossible a third analysis!"

    Amaral beschreef het al eerder, een belangrijk stukje DNA-materiaal, voor verder onderzoek, kwam nooit meer terug...

    Nog meer, nog meer...

    Photofit was identified - Correio da Manhã Wederom op de site van Joana Morais
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    Afbeelding photofit

    SuspectsPortraits by Lance Purser and Derek Flack

    His name is Barrington Godfrey Norton, he is a music teacher and at the time resided inside a white van next to Praia da Luz, in the Algarve


    The two photofits that are included in the process concerning the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are of the same person, and according to Gonçalo Amaral, the former coordinator of the case, belong to an individual who was identified as Barrington Godfrey Norton a few days after the witness statements from Derek Flack and Lance Purser.

    These two English citizens told the Portuguese police that they had seen a suspicious man near the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared from. “We identified the person and discarded the information”, Gonçalo Amaral told CM, referring to Flack and Purser.

    The first portrait appeared with Derek Flack, aged 64, who described a man of Caucasian race, dark complexion, around 1,75 metres and aged between 25 and 35, according to the deposition that was collected by the Portuguese police. In the same document, it can be read that Derek stated he could not identify the individual if he saw him again. The second portrait originated with Lance Purser, who saw a man in the surroundings of the same location where Derek saw the suspect. The description that was made mentions a Caucasian man, of dark complexion, aged approximately 35 and 1,70 m tall.

    Based on these statements, the Portuguese police managed to identify the suspect, and questioned Barrington Norton on the 8th of May 2007. The music professor admitted to having been in the area of the Ocean Club, where he delivered a curriculum and picked up dinner.

    English press

    ‘The Sun’ – ‘Why did the police hide the two portraits?’ is the title of the English paper, which cites the two citizens concerning the testimonies.

    ‘Daily Mail’ – This newspaper also presents the two portraits, and it can be read that the Portuguese police never revealed them to parents Kate and Gerry.

    ‘Guardian’ – Apart from the photofits, the newspaper mentions the testimony of a Dutch woman who reportedly spoke to an English child, aged 2 or 3, who supposedly was named Maddie.

    Musician – The two photofits picture Barrington Norton, an Englishman who had been in Portugal for five years and slept in his white van. The GNR inspected his vehicle and didn’t find anything out of the ordinary.

    ...............................................................

    Direct speechGonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the process

    “Description without value”

    Correio da Manhã – Why did you never reveal these two photofits?

    Gonçalo Amaral – We didn’t divulge those photos because we cannot go on revealing photofit after photofit. Even more so because we identified the person and it was a musician who was perfectly known in the area. It made no sense.

    But were the testimonies by Derek Flack and Lance Purser credible?

    There is the testimony from two English persons who reportedly saw a suspect in the surroundings of the Ocean Club. That person was identified by us. The description by one of them ends up being of no value, because at a certain point he says he could not identify him if he saw him.

    There is now a witness in Holland who says that she spoke to Maddie in a shop?

    I think it is strange that persons spoke to the child and she said her name was Maddie. To us, the parents always said that she did not answer to Maddie, but only to Madeleine. source: Correio da Manhã, 07.08.2008, paper edition
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    Op donderdag 7 augustus 2008 11:43 schreef SunChaser het volgende:

    [..]

    Het is een algemeen bekend psychologisch verschijnsel dat hoe langer het duurt des te meer getuigen er dingen onbewust bijverzinnen. Ze zag Maddy voor 8 mei maar deed op 13 juni pas aangifte. Op 8 mei barstte het mediaspektakel los, had ze 5 weken om zichzelf wijs te maken dat t kind zei dat ze maddy heette en was ontvoerd.
    En ook, there moment of fame...en er komen echt nog meer sithings, kannie wachten.
      donderdag 7 augustus 2008 @ 12:43:23 #121
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Op woensdag 6 augustus 2008 23:04 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Kahaarin & Suko bedankt voor jullie info; goed becommentarieerd en goed doordacht, ik ben benieuwd wat het dossier nog aan informatie bevat waar de internetgemeenschap iets mee kan, tenslotte heeft die minder last van politieke belangen...
    Thnx!

    Oh en alle registers gaan open, alle verdachtmakingen worden de kast uit getrokken, van Amsterdam naar belgie:

    http://news.be.msn.com/bi(...)p-documentid=9149894
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    "Maddie ontvoerd in opdracht van Belgisch pedofilienetwerk"
    De Britse politie heeft informatie ontvangen die suggereert dat de Britse peuter Madeleine McCann vorig jaar in Portugal zou zijn ontvoerd op "bestelling" van een Belgisch pedofilienetwerk, zo hebben donderdag meerdere Britse media, onder wie ook de gezaghebbende krant The Independent, gemeld.

    Iemand van het Belgische netwerk zou een foto van "Maddie" genomen hebben, enkele dagen voor haar verdwijning op 3 mei 2007 uit het vakantieappartement van haar ouders in Praia da Luz. De maker van de foto zou de opname hebben doorgestuurd naar een "koper" in België. Die zou de toen bijna vierjarige peuter "geschikt" hebben gevonden, waarop Madeleine McCann drie dagen later zou zijn meegenomen. De verdwijning van "Maddie" is tot vandaag de dag een mysterie. De Portugese politie heeft enkele weken geleden bij gebrek aan resultaat het onderzoek gestaakt en maandag het 30.000 pagina's tellende dossier vrijgegeven. (TIP)
    be nice or go away
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    Oh God daar gaan we weer... Alu hoedjes...
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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    Op donderdag 7 augustus 2008 12:43 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Thnx!

    Oh en alle registers gaan open, alle verdachtmakingen worden de kast uit getrokken, van Amsterdam naar belgie:

    http://news.be.msn.com/bi(...)p-documentid=9149894
    [..]
    Hajo, Kahaarin en Tmaatje. Het is alleen zo opvallend, hoe zal ik het netjes omschrijven....dat de Portugese pers (en enkele andere niet Engelse media) die Britse overload aan onafgemaakte verhaaltjes, moet afmaken met het feit dat alles is gecheckt door de PJ, vaak ism andere politiecorpsen in de diverse landen. Ik vond, en dat vond Charlotte ook (Some food for thought), een vrij simpele omschrijving van John Hirst (ik moet 'm niet maar dat is niet aan de orde), en in de regel ís het ook vaak simpel:
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    Why Madeleine is dead - written by Jailhouselawyer

    Madeleine Beth McCann died or was killed in Apartment 5A between 6 and 8.30pm on 3May 2007. Madeleine was definitely dead before Kate and Gerry McCann left the apartment and arrived at the Tapas bar at 8.40pm. Whilst the McCanns have stated that an abductor must have taken Madeleine in between one of the checks, this is obviously false. Because, it is obvious that the McCanns had to fit in the so-called abductor in between one of the checks to give the story any kind of plausibility. Having to squeeze the so-called abductor into a tight time frame, a window of opportunity, has given the McCanns a logistical problem.

    According to the McCanns, at 9.30pm Matthew Oldfield supposedly offers to check on Madeleine and the twins. However, there is something wrong about this account. Matthew Oldfield states that he did not see Madeleine. What good is a check to see if everything is alright which fails to check on Madeleine? He would be failing in his duty towards the McCanns if the scenario was genuine. Why didn’t he see Madeleine? Obviously, she wasn’t asleep in her bed. There are two factors here. One is that Matthew Oldfield was not prepared to state he saw Madeleine. It would mean he was the last person to see Madeleine alive, and make him a prime suspect when the police arrived, and mean he would be accused of perverting the course of justice if discovered to be lying. The second factor is that if he claimed he saw Madeleine, then it would cast doubt upon Jane Tanner’s alleged sighting of the abductor at 9.15pm.

    It was difficult enough for the McCanns to introduce an abductor into the plot. To give this version of events any credibility whatsoever, it was better to have someone within the group “see” the abductor. This could not have been done by someone outside of the group as it would have compromised their security if the witness cracked under police questioning. Therefore Jane Tanner drew the short straw, and claimed to have seen the abductor at 9.15pm. This means that Madeleine was missing before 9.30pm. It also means that Madeleine was missing before 9.15pm. Gerry McCann claims to have seen Madeleine asleep at 9.05pm. If he is to be believed, this means that an abductor only had 10 minutes between 9.05 and 9.15pm to kidnap Madeleine.

    What spoils this plan for the McCanns is the unexpected arrival upon the scene of Jeremy Wilkins. So, the abductor sees Gerry McCann, Jeremy Wilkins and Jane Tanner in the street and decides to just pop into Apartment 5A and abduct Madeleine? One of the McCanns favourite words of scorn is ludicrous, which is what we are expected to believe. It was a shock for Gerry McCann to leave the apartment and unexpectedly to bump into Jeremy Wilkins. It would not have been sociable had Gerry McCann just ignored Jeremy Wilkins therefore he had to stop and talk to him for a few minutes. In reality, Gerry McCann did not see Madeleine asleep in her bed at 9.05pm, this was because she was already dead by 8.30pm.

    It is unlikely Madeleine died as a result of an overdose or overreaction to a sedative. This is because she would have been in bed appearing to be asleep, and the McCanns would not have noticed until later that night or the next morning. It is more likely that Madeleine was killed between 6 and 8pm. And, that the meeting in the Tapas bar was hastily arranged.
    Toetje, inmiddels over ons Dutch celebje Anna Stam: "Op kosten van de Britse tabloid The Daily Mirror zal ze vertellen dat ze Maddie 'misschien' heeft gezien." "Volgens Stam zei het meisje dat de vrouw haar had weggehaald bij haar moeder op vakantie, waar kon ze niet zeggen. Stam: ''Toen vroeg ik hoe ze heette. Ik dacht eerst dat ze 'Maggie' zei, maar ze verbeterde me: 'Ik heet Maddie'.'' Het Parool Zo, die hoeft ook geen vakantiereisje meer te boeken, en 'n fofoshootje in het vooruitzicht, goed gedaan Anna...

    Puntje nog, wat zei Kate McCann op 13 August 2007 in een interview: "She hated it when we called her Maddie. She'd say 'My name is Madeleine' with an indignant look." Ik vouw helemaal dubbel....

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    Volgens mij moet de TT anders; we krijgen nu allemaal Manische Maddie viewers....

    Toch vind ik het heel bitter voor Justitie in Portugal dat het zo moet aflopen....
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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    Dossier Madeleine McCann openbaar
    De Portugese autoriteiten hebben het politiedossier over de verdwijning van het Britse meisje Madeleine McCann openbaar gemaakt. Journalisten kunnen een aanvraag doen om de bijna 30.000 pagina's op dvd te laten zetten. Zo'n 30 media hadden om inzage gevraagd.

    Het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van het driejarige meisje werd vorige maand stopgezet, omdat geen aanwijzingen konden worden gevonden voor een misdrijf. Madeleine McCann verdween in mei 2007 uit een hotelkamer in de Portugese Algarve. Haar ouders begonnen daarop een internationale campagne om hulp.
    Kwam een user mee van NWS
    Dossier Madeleine McCann openbaar
    I Ask for so Little. Just Fear Me, Love Me, Do as I Say, and I Will Be Your Slave.
    User van NWS zei: Maak van internet een schoner riool! YES WE CAN!
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    Op woensdag 6 augustus 2008 11:55 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Hey allemaal!

    *bloos* Dankjulliewel.....

    Suko, waar we al bang vooe waren dus, alle sightings worden nu weer uit de kast getrokken en volledig geanalyseerd, Amsterdam nu dus, als dit gesprek echt heeft plaatsgevonden mag die mevrouw Stam zich de ogen uit de kop schamen, wel heel toevallig dat ook zij met naam en toenaam in de pers verschijnt.
    Ik dacht dat we de tijd van smoke-screens nu wel hadden gehad.

    Paddy bedoelt deze denk ik:

    [ afbeelding ]

    Dit meisje heeft langer haar en lijkt me groter dan Maddy, die was op moment van verdwijning nog maar bijna 4 jaar oud, dit meisje is wel al 6 denk ik, als je haar vergelijkt met de man is ze te groot voor een kleuter van bijna 4.
    Mja, in twee maand zoveel groeien lijkt me ook niet gezond
    Nou ja, Of het nu kull is of niet. Zal in ieder geval posten wat ik er van lees

    En ik vind het ook knap dat jullie het nog steeds bijhouden.
    I Ask for so Little. Just Fear Me, Love Me, Do as I Say, and I Will Be Your Slave.
    User van NWS zei: Maak van internet een schoner riool! YES WE CAN!
      vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 11:48:09 #127
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Op donderdag 7 augustus 2008 20:47 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Hajo, Kahaarin en Tmaatje. Het is alleen zo opvallend, hoe zal ik het netjes omschrijven....dat de Portugese pers (en enkele andere niet Engelse media) die Britse overload aan onafgemaakte verhaaltjes, moet afmaken met het feit dat alles is gecheckt door de PJ, vaak ism andere politiecorpsen in de diverse landen. Ik vond, en dat vond Charlotte ook (Some food for thought), een vrij simpele omschrijving van John Hirst (ik moet 'm niet maar dat is niet aan de orde), en in de regel ís het ook vaak simpel:

    Toetje, inmiddels over ons Dutch celebje Anna Stam: "Op kosten van de Britse tabloid The Daily Mirror zal ze vertellen dat ze Maddie 'misschien' heeft gezien." "Volgens Stam zei het meisje dat de vrouw haar had weggehaald bij haar moeder op vakantie, waar kon ze niet zeggen. Stam: ''Toen vroeg ik hoe ze heette. Ik dacht eerst dat ze 'Maggie' zei, maar ze verbeterde me: 'Ik heet Maddie'.'' Het Parool Zo, die hoeft ook geen vakantiereisje meer te boeken, en 'n fofoshootje in het vooruitzicht, goed gedaan Anna...

    Puntje nog, wat zei Kate McCann op 13 August 2007 in een interview: "She hated it when we called her Maddie. She'd say 'My name is Madeleine' with an indignant look." Ik vouw helemaal dubbel....
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    Pictures of Madeleine 'suspects' released


    Artists’ impressions of a couple seen by a woman who reported a possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Holland.

    The first pictures of a couple seen by a woman who reported a potential sighting of Madeleine McCann in Holland were released today.


    The artist's impressions, published in the Daily Mirror, were created with the help of Anna Stam.

    In early May last year the 41-year-old shop assistant from Amsterdam spoke to a little girl called "Maddy" who said she had been taken from her mother while on holiday.

    The sketches show a dark-featured man aged 35-40 with a moustache, who the paper said was speaking in Portuguese, and a woman in her 40s with brown hair who was speaking French.

    Ms Stam's report was one of a number of potential sightings that emerged in the official police files released this week.

    The girl entered Ms Stam's party shop in early May last year with a man and a woman and two other children, according to a witness statement to Dutch police.

    The man – who "did not look like a nice person" – appeared to be speaking Portuguese but the woman spoke in English and told Ms Stam they had a small circus in France.

    Ms Stam was at the back of the shop when the young girl approached her and asked in unaccented English: "Do you know where my mummy is?"

    On being told that her mother was a little further back in the store, the child replied, "She is not my mummy," and added: "She is a stranger, she took me from my mummy."

    The Dutch woman said she thought the girl looked "very much like" Madeleine apart from the colour of her hair.

    Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her family's holiday flat in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year.

    Private detectives working for her parents Kate and Gerry McCann were investigating Ms Stam's account as well as pursuing newly-revealed leads pointing to a possible Belgian link to their daughter's disappearance.

    The McCanns' investigators are also looking into a Scotland Yard report suggesting the child may have been snatched to order for a Belgian paedophile ring, despite a warning that the intelligence is "flawed".

    A woman reported seeing a young girl who looked "very much" like Madeleine with an eastern European-looking couple on a tram in Brussels 12 days after she vanished, the files reveal.

    Line Compere, 31, told Belgian police she saw the blonde-haired, blue-eyed child on the number 18 tram heading towards the main Midi train station on the morning of May 15 last year.

    Her suspicions were aroused because the man and woman with the youngster did not look like her, appeared to be speaking a different language from her and did not seem to know her well.
    http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)-released.4371461.jp

    En ze heeft nu geholpen met een schets van de 'verdachten'.
    Ben benieuwd.
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 00:38 schreef paddy het volgende:

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    Kwam een user mee van NWS
    Dossier Madeleine McCann openbaar
    Yeps, daarom is het des te meer ergerlijk dit sinds maadag de files voor de media openbaar zijn (zie eerdere post) en in september voor iedereen, dat er vanuit de UK nog steeds wordt geschreven wat de PR-man van de McCann Clarence Mitchell 'voorschrijft.' Je kunt rustig stellen dat er heel veel te verbergen valt, waarom anders zijn die Britse journo's nog steeds niet op eigen onderzoek uit nu men zelf kan putten uit die files, ze zIjn compleet braindead, wát is er te verbergen? Het meeste nieuws lees je in de Portugese en andere buitenlandse pers die letterlijk melden wat er in de files aan feiten wordt gemeld.

    Mijn opoe zei altijd, hoe groter het verhaal hoe groter de leugen.
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 11:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    [..]

    http://www.yorkshirepost.(...)-released.4371461.jp

    En ze heeft nu geholpen met een schets van de 'verdachten'.
    Ben benieuwd.
    Wat nou ook zo opvallend is, nergens wordt dat speciale oog van Medeleine genoemd, iets wat het team McCann zo benadrukt, look into her eye...Wij weten nog allemaal dat Gerry daarvan zei in de Vanity Fair (mccannfiles) én geautoriseerd: "Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”" Mevrouw Stam heeft met Maddie gesproken en dát is haar dus niet opgevallen????, What a load of crap! Ik verwijs simpelweg naar m'n eigen post. En dat blijft nog wel even doorgaan...die valse claims, breed uitgemeten, hou het in de publiciteit, maakt niet uit, áls de McCanns maar in het nieuws blijven, geeft niks als de sightings al zijn gecheckt, keep printing, selling de McCanns uhm...newspapers, niks schrijven over andere gevonden bewijzen, niks over een vermist stukje haar met DNA, per ongeluk vernietigd...niks over de weigerachtige houding van de McCanns+vrienden, hun vreemde gedrag, ssstttt.
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    Gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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    Judge refuses tappings on the McCann couple Correio da Manhã

    Investigation - the only fingerprint on the window belongs to Kate

    Text: Manuela Guerreiro 07 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

    The criminal instruction judge did not allow for ambient tapping in the villa in Praia da Luz where the McCann moved into in July last year, a short time after Maddie's disappearance. The Judiciária wanted to listen to the conversations between Kate and Gerry in a search for the possible involvement of Maddie's parents in the disappearance of the child, which took place on the 3rd of May 2007.

    The McCanns moved into the Vista do Mar villa, in the Luz Parque area, when they were not arguidos yet. They only left the house on the 9th of September, when they returned to England.

    The request from the Judiciária took into account a series of indicia that is mentioned in the process, including the only fingerprint that was found on the Ocean Club apartment's window of the bedroom where Maddie slept, and where she allegedly was taken through. That fingerprint belongs to Kate McCann.

    The hand mark – thumb and indicator – may indicate that Kate opened it. The direction and the position of the fingers on the window indicate that it was opened towards the left. This is one more lead that was abandoned on the way, despite the glaring contradiction with Madeleine’s mother’s witness statement.

    Kate is the only person who refers that the window was open. As there are no signs of a break-in or of the presence of strangers, the Polícia Judiciária looked for traces of gloves, which weren't found either. The only marking is Kate McCann's hand, given the fact that the window had been cleaned on the day before the child's disappearance by the employee who carried out the cleaning of the apartment.

    In the statement that she gave to the Portuguese police right after her daughter's disappearance, Kate clearly refers that "the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters were up and the curtains were open, while she is certain that she had closed everything."

    The fingerprint was registered and photographed by the Polícia Judiciária’s investigators and may indicate that Madeleine McCann's parents simulated the abduction crime.

    .................................................

    Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the process: "It was a very important means of evidence"

    Correio da Manhã – Was it important for the investigation to listen to Kate and Gerry's conversations?


    Gonçalo Amaral – It was a very important means of evidence, the last opportunity that we had to find out what they said. Even in order to set some doubts aside. The judge refused and we accepted it.

    Why is Kate McCann's fingerprint relevant? Wasn't it supposed to be there?

    It is the only fingerprint on the window, when she said herself that she never opened it. As there are no signs of a break-in and no signs of gloves and the window had been cleaned a short time before, it becomes relevant, mainly when they defend the theory that an abductor went through the window.

    There is a denunciation in the process concerning the possibility that Maddie was abducted on demand from a Belgian paedophile ring. Did the PJ follow that lead?

    Everything was analysed. It was treated in the same manner as all the other denunciations. We investigated.
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    The mysterious photos 24horas

    Gerry said he made copies with Maddie's image on the night of the crime

    Text: Luis Maneta 07 August 2008 Thanks to 'carilina' for translation

    The PJ analysed the printers at the Ocean Club and in Praia da Luz and came to the conclusion that the McCanns could never have printed the photos of their daughter there.

    A set of 4 photos that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance is one of the major mysteries in the process that was closed by the MP. Many references are made to these pics in the 17-volume dossier, because the type of photographs and the paper were they are printed – in a size 15.3 cm x 10.3 cm – is not "convenient for transportation" says inspector Tavares de Almeida from the PJ in Portimao, in a request he sent to the Scientific Police Lab to analyze the photos.

    Inspector Joan Carlos says it was 'strange' that the family was in posession of those photos because on that night they couldn't have had the possibility to make that type of photos in that size. The PJ always wanted to know who took the photos, where they were taken and why they were taken to the Algarve.

    When Kate was made arguida on Sep 7, she was questioned about the ways they were making known the face of Madeleine, just hours after her disappearance, but Kate didn't answer. Some hours later, the same question was asked to Gerry, who said the photos had been taken with a digital camera and printed in the reception of the Ocean Club through the initiative of Russell O'Brien. Gerry was making reference to hundreds of photographs that were being printed in A4 sheets in the printer of the Ocean Club as was confirmed by the manager of the complex, John Hill.

    But the photos that are intriguing for the PJ are the others. The set of 4 photos that the McCanns gave to the GNR on the night of the disppearance. Gerry declared that he was not the one that had given the photos to the GNR. But the dossier contains also declarations from Sílvia Baptista, responsible for the Ocean Club who says she saw the father of Madeleine give the photos, on a poster-type paper to one of the officers of the GNR. "They were practically all similar" said Baptista. The PJ made a research of the printers available in Luz, but the sort of paper the photos of Maddie were printed on, could not be found anywhere. Nelson Costa, one of the officers in the GNR who was called on the night of 3 May, was perplexed. He told the PJ he saw several pictures of Maddie, some A4 size and others with the size of a poster, that 'couldn't have been made' in the reception of the Ocean Club.

    GNR got the pics

    Antonio Duarte, a commander for the GNR in Lagos, got the mysterious photos. Four equal images, in sets of two, printed on photographic paper, 15.3 cm x 10.3 cm. The military declared to the PJ that he got the photos at 2 a.m. on the 4th of May – four hours after the disappearance was reported. Antonio Duarte said he got the photos when he was sitting in a vehicle when trying to get identification data of the McCanns, but that he cannot recall who gave him the photos. He declares he's got 'an idea' that he saw Gerry McCann but that he cannot 'guarantee' that Gerry was the one that gave him the pics. Nonetheless he’s quite sure that the pics "could not have been revealed / printed on the premises of the Ocean Club".

    Text under the accompanying picture: The McCanns had 4 copies of this picture, on photographic paper, and this fact intrigued the PJ, because Gerry said that the copies had been made in the Ocean Club, and they were not made there.
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    Eén van de nannies schetste een iets ander beeld van de McCanns:
    quote:
    Nanny criticises the McCanns 24horas

    Text: Carlos Tomas 06 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

    Katriona (sic) Baker, a British citizen who worked as a nanny at the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, and cared for missing Madeleine McCann for several days, does not spare criticism towards the child’s parents in the statement that she gave to the English authorities.

    The nanny said that she only looked after the little girl during the day and remembers that Maddie cried a lot during a boat ride in Praia da Luz and screamed "I'm scared, I'm scared", failing to understand the reasons for the fact.

    And she adds: she says that as soon as she heard about the disappearance of the child she ran through all of the places where Maddie usually went when she stayed at the crèche that exists at the Ocean Club; she guarantees that she saw neither Kate nor Gerry that evening, only seeing them again on the following Saturday (Maddie went missing on Thursday). One of the questions that the PJ asked from Kate, and to which there was no answer, was related to the reasons why she stayed at home while the searches were carried out.
    Ter vergelijking, een artikel in de Daily Mial uit oktober 2007 met de hartverwarmende titel: Revealed: The nanny who could help clear the McCanns' name "Ms Baker has told friends she is convinced of the McCanns' innocence. She is still in contact with Kate McCann" Ik dacht van niet...

    De 'veronderstelde' laatste dag van Madeleine, bron:






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      vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 13:29:20 #129
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 13:07 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Yeps, daarom is het des te meer ergerlijk dit sinds maadag de files voor de media openbaar zijn (zie eerdere post) en in september voor iedereen, dat er vanuit de UK nog steeds wordt geschreven wat de PR-man van de McCann Clarence Mitchell 'voorschrijft.' Je kunt rustig stellen dat er heel veel te verbergen valt, waarom anders zijn die Britse journo's nog steeds niet op eigen onderzoek uit nu men zelf kan putten uit die files, ze zIjn compleet braindead, wát is er te verbergen? Het meeste nieuws lees je in de Portugese en andere buitenlandse pers die letterlijk melden wat er in de files aan feiten wordt gemeld.

    Mijn opoe zei altijd, hoe groter het verhaal hoe groter de leugen.
    In dit verhaal kun je lezen welke 'sightings' er allemaal in Nederland en Belgie zijn geweest, idd niemand die het oog noemt, Maddy is zowat half Europa door geweest als je dit leest en niemand die de politie heeft gewaarschuwd of moord en brand is gaan roepen op het moment zelf?
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    Wat nou ook zo opvallend is, nergens wordt dat speciale oog van Medeleine genoemd, iets wat het team McCann zo benadrukt, look into her eye...Wij weten nog allemaal dat Gerry daarvan zei in de Vanity Fair (mccannfiles) én geautoriseerd: "Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or”—he grimaces—“her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”" Mevrouw Stam heeft met Maddie gesproken en dát is haar dus niet opgevallen????, What a load of crap! Ik verwijs simpelweg naar m'n eigen post. En dat blijft nog wel even doorgaan...die valse claims, breed uitgemeten, hou het in de publiciteit, maakt niet uit, áls de McCanns maar in het nieuws blijven, geeft niks als de sightings al zijn gecheckt, keep printing, selling de McCanns uhm...newspapers, niks schrijven over andere gevonden bewijzen, niks over een vermist stukje haar met DNA, per ongeluk vernietigd...niks over de weigerachtige houding van de McCanns+vrienden, hun vreemde gedrag, ssstttt.

    Eén van de nannies schetste een iets ander beeld van de McCanns:
    Hier wordt zelfs gesuggereerd dat het om een Nederlands stel gaat.
    Dat beeld wat door Katriona van de McCanns wordt geschetst lijkt me wat meer richting de waarheid te gaan dan wat de pers in GB ons wil doen geloven......
    quote:
    Ter vergelijking, een artikel in de Daily Mial uit oktober 2007 met de hartverwarmende titel: Revealed: The nanny who could help clear the McCanns' name "Ms Baker has told friends she is convinced of the McCanns' innocence. She is still in contact with Kate McCann" Ik dacht van niet...
    Spin, spin, spin, altijd leuk om woorden in de mond van anderen te leggen.....
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    De 'veronderstelde' laatste dag van Madeleine, bron:

    Kijk, dit is allemaal wel leuk en aardig maar zegt natuurlijk niets over wat er later is gebeurd, die nannies hadden het natuurlijk druk met de kinderen en hebben niet als een waakhond de omgeving in de gaten gehouden.
    Er is hun niets opgevallen omdat het natuurlijk allemaal zo normaal ging, de kinderen zijn een dagje naar het strand geweest, toch wel weer typisch dat dit zo belicht wordt en er benadrukt is dat er niets aan de hand was.

    Wat mij zo opvalt is dat er nadrukkelijk wordt gesproken over een pedo-ring en dat ze op bestelling is geroofd, dit nu na een tip van iemand aan Scotland Yard, waarom nu pas? Waarom is dit niet eerder naar boven gekomen?
    quote:
    Information released this week by Portuguese police showed that Scotland Yard passed on a tip-off from an informant to its specialist vice unit who said a photograph of the child on holiday in Portugal was taken and passed to a "purchaser" in Belgium days before she vanished on May 3, 2007.
    be nice or go away
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    In dit verhaal kun je lezen welke 'sightings' er allemaal in Nederland en Belgie zijn geweest, idd niemand die het oog noemt, Maddy is zowat half Europa door geweest als je dit leest en niemand die de politie heeft gewaarschuwd of moord en brand is gaan roepen op het moment zelf?
    [..]

    Hier wordt zelfs gesuggereerd dat het om een Nederlands stel gaat.
    Dat beeld wat door Katriona van de McCanns wordt geschetst lijkt me wat meer richting de waarheid te gaan dan wat de pers in GB ons wil doen geloven......
    [..]

    Spin, spin, spin, altijd leuk om woorden in de mond van anderen te leggen.....
    [..]

    Kijk, dit is allemaal wel leuk en aardig maar zegt natuurlijk niets over wat er later is gebeurd, die nannies hadden het natuurlijk druk met de kinderen en hebben niet als een waakhond de omgeving in de gaten gehouden.
    Er is hun niets opgevallen omdat het natuurlijk allemaal zo normaal ging, de kinderen zijn een dagje naar het strand geweest, toch wel weer typisch dat dit zo belicht wordt en er benadrukt is dat er niets aan de hand was.

    Wat mij zo opvalt is dat er nadrukkelijk wordt gesproken over een pedo-ring en dat ze op bestelling is geroofd, dit nu na een tip van iemand aan Scotland Yard, waarom nu pas? Waarom is dit niet eerder naar boven gekomen?
    [..]
    Exact Kahaarin, wat die route betreft, niet voor niets schreef ik veronderstelde tussen aanhalingstekens, ik heb nog nog de gedachte dat Madeleine mogelijk eerder dan 3 mei is gestorven, pffff, wat een naar iets om op te schrijven, damn! Nogal logisch trouwens dat de reconstructrie niet doorging, ik heb zo'n vermoeden dat naast die vrienden er nog meer getuigen zouden komen opdraven en dan zou vermoedelijk 'uitkomen' waar een ieder was op welk moment op die avond. Er is zoveel niet onderzocht wegens blokkering vanuit de UK, naast natuurlijk fouten van de PJ. Ze hebben te lang gefocust op een ontvoering en waren te bang (enorme druk van de UK) enige verdenking te leggen op de McCanns en de vrienden. Dat schreef Amaral ook al. It's a bloody bloody shame... Charlotte met een achter-de-oor-krabbende observatie wat betreft dat pedofielen-netwerk:
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    McCanns paedophile claim I have been waiting patiently for one journalist with a backbone to ask the obvious – the very one thing that has stuck in my mind for many months – yet so far there has been nothing mentioned.

    So...

    ...Taking the latest ‘news’ with regard:

    "Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken.

    "Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her, and sent it to Belgium.

    "The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable, and Maddie was taken"

    This has now of course been announced to have no substance to it, but notice how quick the tabloids jumped on it: “The astonishing revelation supports Kate and Gerry McCann’s theory that their eldest child may have been taken by a child smuggling ring.”

    They (and Mr Mitchell for that matter) seem quick to make this connection with Madeleine’s disappearance – why? Simply because Gerry and Kate McCann said that Madeleine was abducted ‘to order by a paedophile gang?’ As simple as that? No questions asked?

    Do the newspapers and Mr Mitchell realise what they are implying by making this sort of connection to back the McCanns unsubstantiated claim?

    Let us take a look at this:

    If the McCanns abduction claim is true then what, exactly, made the McCanns believe a paedophile or paedophile gang was behind Madeleine’s disappearance? So far they have offered no reasonable explanation why they should believe this.

    What they have offered:

    *The window shutter was tampered with

    *Cuddlecat placed on a high shelf out of Madeleine’s reach (even though there is no high shelf)

    * Gerry McCann later suggests that he thinks the ‘abductor’ was in the apartment during his apparent last check because the door was slightly ajar.

    *(And later) The McCanns stated that they had a feeling they had been watched during the course of their holiday (yet still left the children alone every evening)

    All four offered ‘explanations’ merely suggest that Madeleine may have been taken by a person or persons unknown – there’s certainly nothing to suggest or substantiate their claim that Madeleine had been taken to order by a paedophile or paedophile gang.

    So why make the suggestion when they can give no evidence to back their claim?

    What made the parents of a missing child think along those rather disturbing lines from the beginning?

    And how is it that during their ‘grief’ of finding their daughter missing - especially so soon after Madeleine disappeared - could they even contemplate something as horrific as this let alone bring themselves to utter the words in public. Unless, dare I say, they are immune to such subjects.
    Subtiel maar altijd to the point, excellent, IMO. Ik voeg er zelf nog maar wederom aan toe dat er géén bewijzen zijn van een ontvoering.

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      Redactie Frontpage vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 14:05:31 #131
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    Leuker wordt het niet
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      vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 16:25:40 #132
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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    Oh, het zal toch niet he, toevallig dat ze weer op de McCanns lijken.....
    be nice or go away
      vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 17:00:57 #133
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    Dit is ze dus:

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    Private detectives working for her parents, Kate and Gerry, are investigating Ms Stam's account, as well as pursuing newly revealed leads pointing to a possible Belgian link to the youngster's disappearance
    .

    Bron.
    be nice or go away
      vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 @ 19:11:04 #134
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    turrrbotrut
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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    OMG... zoek de verschillen....
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
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    Ik vouw wat dubbel dat laatste tijd.... Maar naast dat die Anna Stam dat speciale oog van Madeleine niet is opgevallen terwijl ze dat meisje toch wat vragen stelde, en zoals Kate al eerder duidelijk stelde dat het Madeleine moet zijn, zegt ook Clarence Mitchell zelf: "Madeleine called herself 'Madeleine', and that was very much the name in the family as well, so that makes us wonder if this was indeed Madeleine."

    Maar dat kan allemaal niet schelen, men denkt dat het publiek een verstand en geheugen heeft van nul komma nul, gewoon uitbuiten die info, selling the news zoals The Guardian doet: "The Guardian has admitted it mistakenly bought the keywords Madeleine McCann from Google. By wrongly purchasing the keywords a link to the paper's coverage of Madeleine's disappearance appeared in a column of sponsored results when a search for her name was made on Google." De rest >>> hier. Daar maakte mccannfiles melding van. Die site van Nige is echt goed, voor alle achtergronden, inclusief de tabloid-nieuws, dat geeft een goed beeld waar het team McCann mee bezig is....

    Nog een quootje op de site van Reis en Levy: "The Telegraph, quoting the McCanns' spokesperson, Clarence Mitchell, states that the, "revelation," reinforced Kate and Gerry McCann's theory that their daughter would have been abducted by an international network. Anna Stam, a shopkeeper in Amsterdam, the same town where Kate and Gerry McCann lived before the birth of the twins, is one amongst many Dutch people who contacted the police maintaining that they had seen Madeleine, but, each time, the lead turned out to be false. Concerning all these witness statements, not only in the Netherlands, but in the rest of the world, the PJ had notably requested support from Interpol.

    A fax sent from Lyon, European headquarters of the organisation, and which is in the documents that all the journalists have received (including the British) places all the resources of the organisation at the disposal of the Portuguese authorities. Given that the Dutch witness statement is not a unique case, it is probably necessary to wait for other, "revelations," because Madeleine remains the only missing child who has succeeded in being seen on every continent, sometimes on the same day."

    More more more Clarence Mitchell, come on, bombard us with new E-fits, stinking Portugees sardines, lonely women who spotted Maddie, another pedophile network! What about Sweden, lots of little blond girls...more more more Clarence Mitchell! Pffff.....

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    Yes! Daar hebben we de Marokkanen weer in beeld, was al wat zorgelijk dat ze Noord-Afrika ff waren vergeten, die zijn er ook in Belgie...jammer, dat oog niet gezien.
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    SOS Madeleine McCann: Security guard says he saw Madeleine last Monday in Brussels Exclusive. A security guard attached to security at the headquarters of the KBC bank in Brussels, in the urban district of Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, states that last Monday, August 4th, he saw a young blond girl with blue eyes who, according to him, was Madeleine McCann.

    The security guard did not fill out his report the same day, but finally informed his superiors that he had informed the police the day before. The witness was interviewed by the Federal Police, who also seized video surveillance images of the outside of the building.

    The guard didn't notice the distictive feature like Madeleine's in the child's eye, but gave a clear description of age, height and clothes. According to his report, the little girl was accompanied by a woman of North African origin, aged between 30 and 40, dressed in European style, but wearing a headscarf, which is probably explained by the existence of a large community of Moroccan origin in the area.

    According to the witness statement, the little girl was speaking English, because in the middle of a sentence, the witness heard, "I go back." Given the emotion aroused by the case, and the recent information from the British media, speculating about a Belgian paedophile network behind Madeleine's disappearance, the number of people saying they have seen the little girl is in danger of going up, which is meanwhile confirmed by this new witness statement.

    In Portugal, a senior PJ officer, contacted by telephone, said he had confidence in the, "independent and effective," investigation by the Belgian authorities, who had already been confronted with other witness statements. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis Bron
    Clarence Mitchell for president!

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    Pfff, om maar eens 'gezellig' het weekend te beginnen, wat foto's uit de vrijgegeven files, in z'n context geplaatst door Charlotte, dezelfde foto's zijn te zien op Sky News, zo meldt ze in haar commentaar:
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    Photograph of Blood Spatter in McCann Apartment - by 'Himself'

    I sometimes pop across to The McCann Gallery (satirical images), especially when I am feeling at odds with the online news – ‘Himself’ has an artistic way of letting off steam and getting his point across ("never a truer word said in jest") ... but this morning I was taken by surprise with a particular image, not satirical, very much serious. My heart sank as realisation hit me.

    Amid all the spin currently been spun about paedophile rings and kidnappers in Belgium, this one photo brought things back into perspective.

    The photo and article by ‘Himself’ is as follows: Photograph of Blood Spatter in McCann Apartment

    Forgive the lurid headline but it is the best way to ensure that once this photo is catalogued by the Google bot it won't disappear out of the public eye, and while I am about it isn't that cuddlecat lying in Madeleine's bed, high shelf anybody?

    Poor little mite, my heart bleeds.


    Note the removed floor tiles and skirting board.

    Op haar blog geeft ze nog een link naar dit artikel uit aug. 2007, ik plaats de tekst in z'n geheel mocht dit artikel zomaar 'ook' verdwijnen:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: ‘blood on the walls’
    Madeleine McCann's blood has been found on the walls of the holiday flat where she slept, according to fresh reports in Portugal. Police say attempts were made to clean it off, making it likely that the four-year-old was killed, either by accident or design, in the holiday complex in Praia da Luz.

    It follows revelations, 95 days on from her disappearance, that specially-trained British cocker spaniel sniffer dogs had located the smell of a dead body in the Ocean Club apartment - only possible if a cadaver had been left there for at least two hours. According to Portuguese news reports, the police have virtually abandoned the kidnap theory or any hope that she may still be alive. It now seems that the new search this week of the home of Briton Robert Murat, 33, the only official suspect in the case, was designed to eliminate him from the inquiry, say newspapers. Nothing was found and the search ended yesterday.

    It is only now, with British police at the forefront of the investigation, that the new evidence has come to light. Portuguese dogs are only trained to look for evidence of life, not blood or dead bodies, because the training chemical used is too expensive for the force.

    Searches of beaches have been carried out again with the sniffer dogs, and a new sweep of the McCanns' apartment is being made with ultra-violet light. The blood spots found are awaiting DNA analysis. Police now say that the next two weeks are crucial to the inquiry. Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, are still in the Algarve resort and have yet to comment on the latest developments.
    Sjucht...

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    Yep, allemaal onzin wat betreft die naam: "Deborah Orr - Opinion piece Independent

    Deborah Orr Saturday, 9 August 2008

    * One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured. Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her." McCannfiles

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      zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 @ 12:18:04 #138
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_60680612
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    Op zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 11:52 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Pfff, om maar eens 'gezellig' het weekend te beginnen, wat foto's uit de vrijgegeven files, in z'n context geplaatst door Charlotte, dezelfde foto's zijn te zien op Sky News, zo meldt ze in haar commentaar:
    [..]

    Op haar blog geeft ze nog een link naar dit artikel uit aug. 2007, ik plaats de tekst in z'n geheel mocht dit artikel zomaar 'ook' verdwijnen:
    [..]

    Sjucht...

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    Yep, allemaal onzin wat betreft die naam: "Deborah Orr - Opinion piece Independent

    Deborah Orr Saturday, 9 August 2008

    * One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured. Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her." McCannfiles
    Hey Suko , rondje anorak staat er ook vol mee:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: With Columnists Lorraine Kelly And Deborah Orr
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    THE COLUMNISTS

    LORRAINE KELLY (The Sun): “Watch your kids for Maddie’s sake”

    It’s cellar-busting, tabloid bingo stalwart Lorraine Kelly:

    OF all the many cruelties inflicted on Madeleine McCann’s parents, the possibility that their little girl begged an Amsterdam shop assistant for help shortly after she went missing is surely the deepest cut of all.

    Begged? But it was Madeleine, right? Or Maddie as she - and the press - now know her by.

    All of these cases could have been nothing more than mistaken identity, but we will never know for sure. More and more experts now believe that Madeleine, a stunningly beautiful child, was specifically targeted by a paedophile ring and “kidnapped to order”.


    The experts. Or yes, them.

    Without wanting to panic every parent with a cute little boy or girl under five, it is clear there are evil gangs of paedophiles who will stop at nothing to get their hands on little kids.

    If only the kids weren’t so cute. Why can’t we have ugly kids? Life is soooo unfair! If paedos went for ugly kids then think of much safer and more blonde and beautiful the world would be?

    I believe we desperately need some sort of Europe-wide anti-paedophile task force with enough money to be effective and enough expertise to smash these vile rings of perverts and sickos.

    Something like the police? Yeah, what about a police force?

    Without becoming paranoid we need to keep a watchful eye on our children and grandchildren at all times. Don’t think it could never happen to you.

    It could be you. Although not if your kids are ugly, obviously.

    That’s what Kate and Gerry McCann believed. They will spend the rest of their lives searching for their daughter and torturing themselves over whether she is alive or dead. And if she is still in the land of the living, just what sort of hell is she being subjected to?

    Yeah, just imagine…

    DEBORAH ORR (The Independent):

    One of the many gross liberties that the media have taken in their reporting of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is the widespread adoption of a diminutive epithet. No matter how often her distressed parents insisted that their daughter had always been known only as Madeleine, the fictitious intimacy of Maddie, or Maddy, endured.

    It’s about branding.
    Now an Amsterdam shop assistant, Ana Stam, claims that she talked to a girl who told her that her name was Maddie, and that she had been stolen from her parents. Maybe the Portuguese police were remiss in failing to take seriously this sighting. But in my experience a small child thinks that her name is what her parents say it is, and not what the press has christened her.

    My name is Madeleine…
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/187593.html
    Spin-spin-spin.....
    be nice or go away
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    Indeed Kahaarin, alhoewel veel kranten dezelfde artikelen van Clarence Mitchell krijgen toegespeeld waarin gewoon Maddie wordt genoemd. Wat kan 't schelen...Maar ff wat anders, een rooie oren-verhaal, een treffende woordspeling, leest u mee.....?

    Uhm, een nogal verontrustend artikel over Operation Ore in de UK. Om het heel simpel te stellen. Men heeft duizenden creditcard-eigenaren getraceerd die kinderporno kochten (en ook mochten bekijken) via een website. Een aantal 'betrapten' wisten daar niks van omdat creditcards ook kunnen worden misbruikt maar er is al wel bewezen dat mensen veelal op regerings-niveau er mee te maken hebben. Ik wist het al eerder vaag wat van via blogs en fora, maar het plaatje lijkt iets duidelijker te worden. Meer hierover qua creditcards en kinderporno > Operation Ore

    En dat dit artikel...Blackout in Britain
    Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
    by MIKE JAMES >>> ZElF LEZEN, het is tamelijk beschuldigend naar een aantal personen..... Bron Alhoewel The Guardian zich wel het volgende afvraagt: When will we know whether Operation Ore was a success? op 17 mei 2007

    Dat doet mij herinneren aan dat artikel over David Payne, uit een eerdere post: Payne suspected of paedophilia

    En verder is het ook toevallig dat de creditcardgevevens en andere bankzaken niet onderzocht mochten worden, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    quote:
    Request to investigate Gerry’s accounts is disproportionate IOL Portugal Diário

    Cláudia Lima da Costa 08 August 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation

    English authorities did not see motives to justify bank investigation of Maddie's father

    The Portuguese police requested cooperation from the English authorities to investigate Gerry McCann's bank accounts, within Maddie's disappearance. But this request was found disproportionate by the British authorities, given the fact that it covered a period of six months.

    Initially, the authorities requested a clarification from the Portuguese Public Ministry, which better explained the reasons for the request: to identify if there was an unknown motive behind Maddie's disappearance and if eventually there was an individual or individuals who might be responsible for her disappearance.

    The English authorities did not accept the clarification from Portugal, and in their reply letter, sent on the 16th of June, they manifest their concern with the motives that led the Portuguese authorities to request information about bank operations over a period of six months, from Maddie's father's Mastercard credit card. The period covered by the request started on the 1st of April, approximately six weeks before the child's disappearance.

    Despite the official explanation from the Portuguese authorities, the English police also considered an unofficial explanation that was offered by the investigative team that traveled to England. At that point in time, the Leicestershire police was told that Gerry McCann had been seen drawing money from an automatic cash machine and talking on the phone. The Portuguese police wanted to know whether this action could be related to the disappearance.

    Francs Kennah, a senior official at the 'UK Central Authority', clarifies that after pondering over the coercive measures, the cabinet does not see a motive to concede the requested authorisation, considering that the request is not justified and seems disproportionate. The British authorities solicit a new clarification from Portugal, but it is not sent and the process is archived a little over a month later.
    Levy en Reis schreven overigens: "The Economic Crime Unit from Leicestershire Constabulary found no records of credit cards or loans, from Gerry and Kate McCann, who have a mortgage. All seven friends are referred as holding credit cards, with one of the couples having seven credit cards. According to the Economic Crime Unit report, no records of current bank accounts are held, from five of those nine persons, including Gerry and Kate McCann. ECU report states that there are records of loans from two of the Tapas group, and records of current bank accounts are held only from four of the seven McCann friends."

    In dit artikel uit de Sunday Harold , ook over Operation Ore, worden een aantal zaken genoemd ivm kinderporno, Daarin worden ook de Soham-moorden en Fred+Rosemary West genoemd en wie heeft daar lange tijd verslag van gedaan....Clarence Mitchell. Hij schijnt er een zekere interesse in te hebben.

    "His involvement with broadcast and radio reporting has often centred on late-breaking news stories and high profile crime cases – the Fred and Rosemary West murders in 1993 and the abduction of the Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler in 2002. Mitchell’s most recent coverage of a hard news, high-profile story was that of the Soham murders in 2002 to which he later revealed how painful it had been for him, as a father, and how he was aware of what the victim’s fam­ilies were going through." Bron

    Alweer de vraag, wat is er allemaal zo obsessief te verbergen...ook door de media, this pact of silence, ook al is de samenhang in deze artikelen misschien vergezocht, maar het is allang 'rondzwevend'....vanaf het begin, die directe betrokkenheid van de diverse mensen op hoge posities in de UK, dat bevreemd velen, en niet voor niks. IMO. En tot slot deze snipper:
    quote:
    British don't want the disclosure of the identities of referenced for pedophilia, in the Algarve

    The British police wishes to maintain confidential the names from a list of British citizens referenced for having pedophile practices, residing in the Algarve, that were identified during the Maddie’s case investigation. This list is part of the disappearing process of Madeleine Mccann whose archiving will be announced next Monday.

    The maintenance of this list under confidentiality is one of the pretensions of the English police, under the argument that the divulgation of the identities of those individuals would be an intrusion in the domain of the private life." Een vertaald stukje wat ik had opgeslagen, Bron 19-7-2008
    Tja, dat leest toch ff anders nu....

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    Op de site van VirginMedia (Yes, van Richard Branson, inmiddels (eind vorig jaar meen ik) teruggetrokken als geldschieterd van de McCanns). Wat stevige commentaren, nu ze er nog staan, de meeste zijn inmiddels weer verwijderd!
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    bestbefore from Germany says:Aug 10, 10:10
    Will Mr Brian Kennedy, owner of Sale Sharks and double-glazing entrepreneur, the man who has been funding this shoddy cover-up and paying Clarence Mitchell's salary, now be flying to Belgium to investigate? After all, he flew to Morocco to investigate the Berber-girl sighting. He flew to Portugal to 'interview' Robert Murat. And he was keen to speak to Martin Smith, the man who thought he saw Gerry carrying a child towards the beach on the night of May 3rd.
    Mr Kennedy, why are you so involved in this case? What is your connection

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    get em Goncalo from uk says:Aug 10, 09:42
    Gerry: The iris is Madeleine's only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or the abductor might do something to her eye. But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.
    Gerry: one good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't.
    Gerry: I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleines disappearance in the long term.
    Gerry It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion."
    Maddie: "I'm afraid, I'm afraid".

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    Get em Goncalo from uk says:Aug 10, 09:22
    Gerry: I'm not here to enjoy myself
    Kate: Well, it was our holiday too.
    Kate: We were all so into each other
    Kate: She'll be giving them her tuppenceworth
    Gerry: We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing, It wouldn’t be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that (June 3, 2007)
    Clarence: If she's dead, she's dead, but not by their hands
    Gerry: The situation that Madeleine finds herself in.
    Maddie: I'm afraid, I'm afraid

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    Eddie Cadaver from uk says:Aug 10, 09:10
    Why was Kate considering giving up guardianship of Maddie to a relative?
    Why was Maddie heard crying and heard to say "I'm afraid, I'm afraid"
    Why did Eddie and Keela find blood and death scent in their apartment and in their hire car 25 days later?
    What did Gerry do with the fridge?
    Why did Gordon Brown have Goncalo Amaral removed from the investigation?
    Why are the PJ being portrayed as bungling fools when it is clear the British government and British media are covering up this crime?
    Who is covering up this biggest crime mystery of the century and why?
    Why is David Payne not being investigated after he was heard to make sexual remarks about Maddie to Gerry?
    Why was Maddie afraid?
    I can only hope she's safe from harms way now.
    RIP Maddie.
    People are seeking justice for you xx

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    Lilly from HULL says:Aug 10, 09:01
    I am totaly sick of this whole saga.........why dont the papers here print the truth what about David Payne and his past what about the ward of court what about the Guardainship of Maddy!! the truth will come out in the end someone will talk

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    Joanne from Essex says:Aug 10, 09:01
    This is just getting beyond farcical now. None of these reported sightings will ever be confirmed officially because none of them , past, present and future are Madeleine McCann.

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    Lola from London says:Aug 10, 08:33
    This whole thing is turning into a complete and utter farce. It's NOT ABOUT MADELEINE ANY MORE. IT'S ALL ABOUT MonEY.
    The McCanns suing, Murat suing, Metodo 3 suing, Amaral suing. If only Kate & Gerry and the other Tapas group hadn't left their children alone. All I hope and pray is that little Madeleine is not suffering any more in her short life.

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    Amber from uk says:Aug 10, 08:24
    LOOK the camera in the EYE Kate & Gerry and TALK to your daughter!!!! When did you last do that? and wasn't eye contact very good...you could not LOOK in the camera could you? Madeleine is 5 now and IF she is alive she would be dearly missing you....lonely and waiting for your words of promise that you'll do ANYTHING: answer the 48 Q's from PJ, go back and do a reconstruction...whilst you're there hand over medical records, financial records, telephone statements as you want to cooperate Don'T you??

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    paula from liverpool says:Aug 10, 08:02
    Its not too late to ditch the lawyers and hangers on and volunteer,together with their holiday companions to go back to Portugal,wearing the same clothes they wore that night and help the -police solve this mystery- no need for requests to the Home Office that mysteriously get turned down -just voluntarily take with them ,phone records ,bank records, medical records. There were nine adults on that holiday in charge of eight children under the age of four they were all responsible for their own and everyone elses child in the group-the lawyer who advised them not to co-operate should be cheap because he is an idiot
    En verder is Metodo 3 niet blij hoe ze in de pers zijn zijn neergezet:
    quote:
    McCanns' Spanish detectives consider sueing the British press ABC.es

    Published Friday, 08-08-08 a las 20:49 Thanks to 'helena' for translation

    The Spanish detective agency of the McCanns, Método 3, is considering sueing several of the media in the United Kingdom to defend its "reputation and good name" after the publication of information it believes defamatory, according to an official announcement.

    In the notice, sent to Efe Agency, the company with headquarters in Barcelona advances that, by proceeding by the legal route, it will arrive at (get) "all the compensation that can be claimed judicially or extra judicially from the British media in the near future" for a foundation for the protection of children.

    Método 3 indicates that it has kept silent about "the attacks" from the press until the Portuguese Police closed the case - July 22 - and lifted the suspect status from Kate and Gerry McCann. The McCanns hired Método 3, directed by Francisco Frame, after their three-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared in May 2007 from the apartment where she slept with her siblings in the Portuguese locality of Praia da Luz.

    The summary of the case confirmed that there is no conclusive evidence on the disappearance of Madeleine. The family spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, has confirmed to Efe that the Spanish agency continues working for the couple, but its activity has been "very much reduced" due to "internationalising the search and contracting experts in other countries".

    Método 3 clarifies in its notice that it never received from the McCanns "the crazy figures" in fees that the press in this country published, and assures that the fees were 60,000 Euros for six months worldwide search for Madeleine, plus expenses, giving a total of 108,306 Euros.

    The Spanish agency also criticises the British press for stating that one of its founders "looked like a gangster", and indicates that this person suffers "a degenerative cerebral disease that, obviously, gives the appearance of absent-mindedness".

    Método 3 assures that, contrary to what was published in the British press, nobody ever said that Maddie would be home by Christmas, but only expressed "the mere Christian desire" that "Hopefully she will be home by Christmas". Since the beginning of this year, Método 3, that led the search for Madeleine from August of 2007 until last January, has a more reduced role in the investigation of the disappearance of the little girl.

    The disclosure, last Tuesday, of the summary of the case in Portugal confirmed that there is no conclusive evidence about the circumstances of the disappearance of the girl, who is considered "probably" dead.
    Commentaar van Nigel :
    quote:
    * Currency note:

    108,306 euros = £84,627 or $162,518.

    Clarence Mitchell has publicly stated that Madeleine's Fund were paying £50,000 per month to Método 3 - initially contracted on a 6-month contract, subsequently extended at a reduced rate.

    By Mr Mitchell's figures, at least £300,000 has been spent on Método 3's services - yet Método 3 claim they have only received £84,627. And that figure includes expenses, which we have been led to believe were being covered by Brian Kennedy.

    The substantial difference between the two sums requires a full explanation from Mr Mitchell.
    Maar ik geloof er niks van dat Metodo 3 actie gaat ondernemen, dat moeten ze heel hard maken, mét ondersteuning van Brian Kennedy en Clarence Mitchell en die laatste heeft de pers overvoerd met nieuws over Metodo 3. En dan zullen er details boven tafel moeten komen en dat zal te pijnlijk zijn, en ook zullen de Portugese onderzoekers niet worden aangeklaagd, want:
    quote:
    McCann will not take legal action against Portuguese Government
    "Rogério Alves, former Bar Association President, told today that the McCann couple “don't see any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Mr. Alves said that Gerry and Kate “were obviously frustrated because they couldn't find what happened to their daughter and who was responsible for it, but they don't infer that (Portuguese) police has done a bad job, or that there is any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Bron
    En verder wederom een bombardement van oogetuigen, een nieuwe E-fit en nog zo het een en ander aan 'hot' news...alle artikelen zijn op mccannfiles terug te vinden.

    * All together then tragedy News of the World
    First picture of the Tapas 7 seen together (Kate was very sad, ze was niet op de hoogte gesteld dat de vrienden naar het strand gingen, (zij was aan joggen, en Gerry dan?) zie de tekst bij deze afbeelding, de twins en Madeleine waren in de crèche)



    * I was afraid to grab her News of the World

    * The truth won't mend the pain News of the World

    * Madeleine McCann: 'Strange Englishman' photographed children on beach Telegraph

    * Stung by the Portuguese men of law Timesonline Het enige nuttige hieruit is: "Is there any evidence of children being snatched to order? Child crime experts say the kidnapping of specific children to order is extremely rare. "In general, paedophiles ask for a particular type of abuse rather than a particular child," said CEOP. "The majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home or by people the child knows." The Belgian police said: "We have never had a paedophile network like that to our knowledge, and we have not come across any cases of children being ordered by paedophiles."
    quote:
    Op vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 14:05 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
    [ afbeelding ][ afbeelding ]
    Ik vond nog een mooie bewerking op websleuth.com:


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      zondag 10 augustus 2008 @ 13:00:16 #141
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    You are my sunshine......
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    quote:
    Op zaterdag 9 augustus 2008 21:58 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Indeed Kahaarin, alhoewel veel kranten dezelfde artikelen van Clarence Mitchell krijgen toegespeeld waarin gewoon Maddie wordt genoemd. Wat kan 't schelen...Maar ff wat anders, een rooie oren-verhaal, een treffende woordspeling, leest u mee.....?

    Uhm, een nogal verontrustend artikel over Operation Ore in de UK. Om het heel simpel te stellen. Men heeft duizenden creditcard-eigenaren getraceerd die kinderporno kochten (en ook mochten bekijken) via een website. Een aantal 'betrapten' wisten daar niks van omdat creditcards ook kunnen worden misbruikt maar er is al wel bewezen dat mensen veelal op regerings-niveau er mee te maken hebben. Ik wist het al eerder vaag wat van via blogs en fora, maar het plaatje lijkt iets duidelijker te worden. Meer hierover qua creditcards en kinderporno > Operation Ore
    Ik snap dat men in dit licht niet alle CC afschriften kan krijgen, je hoort regelmatig dat er gegevens gestolen en misbruikt worden. Maar degenen die daadwerkelijk rotzooi op hun PC hadden staan zouden imho toch echt wel door de mangel mogen, des te beter als daar Tapasclanvrienden in zouden staan.
    quote:
    En dat dit artikel...Blackout in Britain
    Alleged Pedophiles Helm Blair's War Room
    by MIKE JAMES >>> ZElF LEZEN, het is tamelijk beschuldigend naar een aantal personen..... Bron Alhoewel The Guardian zich wel het volgende afvraagt: When will we know whether Operation Ore was a success? op 17 mei 2007
    Nooit, het tapijt is blijkbaar groot genoeg om alles onder te vegen.....
    quote:
    Dat doet mij herinneren aan dat artikel over David Payne, uit een eerdere post: Payne suspected of paedophilia

    En verder is het ook toevallig dat de creditcardgevevens en andere bankzaken niet onderzocht mochten worden, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    [..]

    Levy en Reis schreven overigens: "The Economic Crime Unit from Leicestershire Constabulary found no records of credit cards or loans, from Gerry and Kate McCann, who have a mortgage. All seven friends are referred as holding credit cards, with one of the couples having seven credit cards. According to the Economic Crime Unit report, no records of current bank accounts are held, from five of those nine persons, including Gerry and Kate McCann. ECU report states that there are records of loans from two of the Tapas group, and records of current bank accounts are held only from four of the seven McCann friends."

    In dit artikel uit de Sunday Harold , ook over Operation Ore, worden een aantal zaken genoemd ivm kinderporno, Daarin worden ook de Soham-moorden en Fred+Rosemary West genoemd en wie heeft daar lange tijd verslag van gedaan....Clarence Mitchell. Hij schijnt er een zekere interesse in te hebben.
    Wel heel apart dat alles een beetje in elkaar valt, en dan zijn ze bang voor een pedo-ring in Belgie, ze kunnen het beter iets dichter bij huis zoeken....
    quote:
    "His involvement with broadcast and radio reporting has often centred on late-breaking news stories and high profile crime cases – the Fred and Rosemary West murders in 1993 and the abduction of the Surrey schoolgirl Milly Dowler in 2002. Mitchell’s most recent coverage of a hard news, high-profile story was that of the Soham murders in 2002 to which he later revealed how painful it had been for him, as a father, and how he was aware of what the victim’s fam­ilies were going through." Bron

    Alweer de vraag, wat is er allemaal zo obsessief te verbergen...ook door de media, this pact of silence, ook al is de samenhang in deze artikelen misschien vergezocht, maar het is allang 'rondzwevend'....vanaf het begin, die directe betrokkenheid van de diverse mensen op hoge posities in de UK, dat bevreemd velen, en niet voor niks. IMO. En tot slot deze snipper:
    [..]

    Tja, dat leest toch ff anders nu....
    Tja, inderdaad, dat er iets niet helemaal lekker ruikt wisten we al, hopelijk komt de hele saga nog een keer boven water, er moet idd iemand gaan praten denk ik.

    Oh ja, er is nog steeds tabloid bingo, Anorak:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: They Call Me Maddie, In Venezuela And African Bingo
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    THE SUNDAY EXPRESS (front page): “IS THIS WHO TOOK MADDIE?”

    A change in the quotidian Express story. No longer is Madeleine, “MADELEINE”. Madeleine McCann is now “MADDIE”. It’s the name the media, mostly, have dubbed her.

    Maddie is what the missing child has taken to calling herself when she visits party shops in Amsterdam…

    So who took her. The Express has a photfit.


    NEWS OF THE WORLD (front page): “I spotted Maddie’s tell-tale eye”

    This is the least savoury headline Anorak has read on the matter for some time…

    “I WAS AFRAID TO GRAB HER - Witness was sure restaurant girl was Maddie but feared causing a scene”

    A VITAL new witness in the hunt for Madeleine McCann has told cops: “I saw Maddie. I know it was her—I saw the unique blemish in her eye.”

    Go on…

    Businessman Trevor Francis is certain he spotted the missing five-year-old in Venezuela just WEEKS ago. Because of the remarkable eye detail, Gerry and Kate McCann regard this as one of the most significant sightings.

    Trevor, who swears he spotted Madeleine McCann in the Caribbean just weeks ago, has told of the haunting moment he saw the tell-tale blemish in her eye.

    So he called out her name and asked her if her mum was called Kate and her dad Gerry? He took a picture on a camera phone? He tugged the arm of a passing copper and told him? He asked the restaruant’s manager for the names of the adults the girl was with?

    He recalled: “Her eyes met mine as I walked past and that’s when I saw the little blemish in her right eye—it was like a little fleck. I wanted to grab her or shout out her name and see what reaction I would get. But I was afraid to do anything and cause a scene. . . a huge ruckus would have erupted and it could have made things worse. I decided to get a good look to make sure it was her so I could come back to England and report it.”

    Yea, that’s right. He was so certain he waited until he’d flown abck to the UK to tell anyone. Vital evidence, indeed…

    Witness Trevor’s son Ben, 22, of Worthing told us last night: “My dad is a very serious, credible and intelligent man. He’s not the sort of person who would make things up. And he’d certainly never lie about something like this.”

    Sure. Read all about it…

    We reveal two new suspects

    TODAY we reveal TWO MORE e-fits of suspects Portuguese cops refused to publicise during their investigation. Both the men above were seen acting suspiciously in the area around the McCann apartment before the kidnap.


    The one on the right approached holidaymaker Iris Morgan asking for money to help “young boys and girls”. The man in sunglasses was also seen nearby by an unnamed witness. These new images emerged from the case files after two other e-fits of suspects were released last week.

    SUNDAY MIRROR (front page): “MADDIE: Probe into sighting in Caribbean.”

    Is the Caribbean near Belgium?

    SUNDAY TIMES: “Stung by the Portuguese men of law - Evidence from files on the Madeleine McCann investigation show how badly her parents were treated by Portuguese police”

    In a document translated by The Sunday Times yesterday, Tavares Almeida, a chief inspector with the Portuguese police, accused the McCanns and the friends on holiday with them of “lying”. In a memo dated September 10, Almeida noted: “The statements from the whole group result in a total lack of coherence, from which we easily conclude that they’re all lying.”

    A copper was suspicious of the parents and their friends? Hmmm…

    Also in the file was a letter Kate had written to Paolo Rebelo, the head of the investigation, begging to be kept informed of developments. “I am appealing to you as a fellow human being to work with us (if possible to include us) and to remember that we are Madeleine’s parents . . . lack of communication is torture,” she wrote.

    She appears to have received no reply. Once again the file rams home how coldly the Portuguese had treated the family.

    We need hard evidence. Got any?

    Last night it was reported that a girl matching Madeleine’s description had been seen a few weeks ago in a restaurant on the Venezuelan island of Margarita. Trevor Francis, 64, a British nursing home owner, said: “Her eyes met mine as I walked past and that’s when I saw the little blemish in her right eye - it was like a little fleck.” Private investigators employed by the McCanns are understood to be making urgent inquiries into the sighting on the Caribbean island.

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann: ‘Strange Englishman’ photographed children on beach
    A “strange Englishman” was spotted taking pictures of children on a Portuguese beach visited by Madeleine McCann just before she went missing, police files reveal.”

    Oh?

    According to the account in a Metropolitan police email sent to the Portuguese and Leicestershire forces, the picture was sent to a child abduction ring in Belgium, which had placed an order for a “young girl”. Having seen the image, the gang agreed that Madeleine should be taken. The files reveal that on May 9 last year – six days after Madeleine disappeared – officers interviewed Ernesto Mochacho, owner of a restaurant on Zavial beach, a 20-minute drive from Praia da Luz, which has a naturist area.

    Mr Mochacho recalled seeing the McCanns with their three children for the last time at his restaurant in April. His son, who also works at the restaurant, the only one on the beach, said he told police he had seen a “tall, thin Englishman in his forties” taking photographs.

    “He was weird, a strange guy,” Ivo Mochacho, 23, told The Sunday Telegraph. He said police visited the restaurant just after Madeleine vanished. “Madeleine came here for lunch with her parents not long before she disappeared,” he said. “I don’t know if this guy took a picture of Madeleine. It’s impossible to say. But he took a lot of photographs on the beach.

    PUNCH (Nigeria): “A holiday to remember”

    It’s Tabloid Bingo Africa!

    Nine months after Madeleine McCann vanished into Portuguese air, Shannon Matthews, a nine-year-old girl, who lived a jogging distance from my neighbourhood, went missing on her way home from school.

    Hear ye!

    It is likely that each parent assumed the child was with the other, just like Mary and Joseph thought when the boy Jesus went missing during a trip to Jerusalem.

    And on it goes…
    Wel heel typisch dat niemand alarm slaat maar wel volop in het nieuws wil, script? Bingo nog niet vol?
    be nice or go away
    pi_60715563
    Indeed Kahaarin, er zijn veel aanwijzingen maar de boel blijft behoorlijk op slot. Kijk, het zou nog te begrijpen zijn dat je je omringt met de beste advocaten, als rijkerds je daarbij willen helpen, oké, niks mis mee. Maar dat niemand van die vakantie-vrienden, én de McCanns zelf niet willen meewerken, integendeel zelfs, al zou het alleen al zijn om je onschuld te bewijzen, dát gaat er bij mij niet in. Dat je zelfs een woordvoerder aanschaft om beleidslijnen uit te stippelen, en kennelijk de media mág bespelen, gaat er bij mij ook niet in. Alles druipt van het verbergen van een misdaad, en kennelijk is er wetenschap van het een en ander waardoor men elkaar in een zekere greep houdt. Het is gewoon té erg om dat naar buiten laten komen. Het is niet alleen de dood van een kind, maar wat er dan nog meer naar boven komt...IMO beschamende achtergronden die zeker het daglicht niet kunnen verdragen. Waarom geeft die miljonair en Schot Brian Kennedy (is trouwens een Jehova Getuige en die zijn wel eens slecht in het nieuws, Jehovah's Witnesses Church in Scotland stands accused of sheltering child abusers and keeping secret files of known paedophiles within the organisation which it refuses to share with police) zoveel geld uit aan top-juristen en Clarence Mitchell? Waarom gaat die Kennedy persoonlijk naar Robert Murat en die Ierse getuigen Smith? Er zijn zoveel aanwijzingen, van alle kanten, naar pedofilie. Ook hij heeft een huis in Spanje, net als die peetom van de twins, John Corner, ook al zo'n dubieus figuur, huis in Huelva, net over de Portugese grens. Trouwens nogal opvallend dat het team McCann zo hamert op pedo-netwerken, iets wat ze zelf mogelijk niet vreemd is wordt met kracht vanaf het begin in de picture gezet....Ik post nog maar weer een wat uitspraken van dat heerschap John Corner, gelezen op mccannfiles, in cursief is commentaar van Nigel:
    quote:
    Jon Corner talking about Madeleine (Vanity Fair)

    "So beautiful, astonishingly bright, and I’d have to say very charismatic. She would shine out of a crowd. So—God forgive me—maybe that’s part of the problem. That special quality. Some ******* picked up on that."

    Jon Corner - Cuddle Cat (Timesonline)

    'Gerry paused over Madeleine, who – a typical doctor’s observation, this – was lying almost in "the recovery position" with Cuddle Cat, the toy her godfather, John Corner, had bought her, and her comfort blanket up near her head, and Gerry thought how gorgeous, how lovely-looking she was and how lucky he was.'

    Jon Corner (Panorama)

    CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.

    - Just earlier Corner had said this:

    CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

    - So, the police phoned the McCanns to say they were coming over to do some forensics and the McCanns, it would appear, immediately filled up the washing machine with clothes.
    Anyway, nog wat nieuws uit de files, bron:
    quote:
    McCann case: the failed reconstruction

    In April 2008, Paulo Rebelo gave a detailed response to the McCanns' friends about their arguments and doubts on the subject of the reconstruction of the events of May3rd. He stated that one of the conditions put forward by the group, that of first of all withdrawing Kate and Gerry's arguidos status - was impossible to accomplish, because only the Prosecutor held the legal power to do it, not the PJ.

    On the subject of the reconstruction, the main problem for the McCanns' group of friends was clear: if the PJ believed their statements, then the reconstruction wasn't necessary, or the PJ were trying to obtain something strange with this activity. They wanted to know what the PJ's true intentions were. After several exchanges of emails, going first through Stuart Prior, the Tapas 7 group were not convinced of the usefulness of such a reconstruction.

    In the replies that followed, Kate and Gerry's friends placed as a condition, not only the lifting of the McCann couple's arguido status, but also the announcement of a press release by the PJ dispelling the lies published by the Portuguese media, emphasising that there was no suspicion about the seven friends.

    As it was impossible to accept or accomplish these conditions, Paulo Rebelo, in an email addressed to Stuart Prior on April 29th, requested that a final decision was taken. Jane and Russel O'Brien were the first to respond, saying yes, but waiting for further advice from their lawyers. Rachel and Matthew sent a similar response, but stressing that they couldn't be in Portugal between May 15th and May 17th.

    Diana, Fiona and David Payne also accepted, while waiting for advice from their lawyers. After the PJ's detailed explanations, Jeremy Wilkins was willing to participate, on conditon that the other witnesses were also in Portugal.

    The criminal court took the decision to set a new date: 29th and 30th of May 2008. Then Gerald McCann requested a change to this new date, because his lawyer had another meeting planned before the Lisbon court, for May 29th. His request was refused because it was impossible to make a further revision of the date, due to the numbers of people involved.

    On May 10th, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield sent an email to Stuart Prior, communicating their final decision to him: they would not be in Portugal to participate in the reconstruction. Russel O'Brien, also on May 10th, told the Superintendent that as he had learned that Jeremy Wilkins, the Oldfields and the Payne family had now decided not to go to Portugal, there was now no need for their presence, because the Prosecutor had said that the reconstruction could not take place unless all the witnesses were present.

    On May 23rd, all seven of the McCanns' friends sent a formal reply to the Prosecutor's request for a reconstruction, saying that they would not be attending, after advice from their lawyers. The reconstruction was therefroe cancelled by the Judge for the Court of Criminal Investigation, on May 26th 2008. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
    quote:
    The McCann Case: Gerry used two credit cards

    According to a briefing note from Inspector Gary Watts of the Leicestershire police to Frances Kennah, Madeleine's father used two MasterCard credit cards. Frances Kennah is head of the British Central Authority, a Home Office department, responsible for cooperation with foreign police forces.

    The note, dated May 23rd, confirms the request from the Portuguese authorities, via international rogatory letter, asking for details of the transactions carried out by Gerry McCann using the two MasterCard credit cards.

    The PJ also requested telephone records for a period of six months, starting on April 27th 2007, but the Home Office considered the period of time disproportionate and suggested that they could only provide that information for the days before and after Madeleine's disappearance. The note from Inspector Gary Watts reveals that the report about the credit card transactions was not completed, after a conversation between Superintendent Stuart Prior and the recipient of the information, Frances Kennah.

    A previous report about the financial situation of the McCann couple and their friends, produced by the Economic Crimes Unit of Leicestershire police, had not found any record of credit cards or loans in Kate and Gerry McCann's name. Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
    En verder gaan er steeds meer bloggers ondergronds, naast een aantal fora...Op de sites van Cutting through the Rubbish (Charlotte) en Proud of the PJ (Claudia) lees je nu: Deze blog is alleen toegankelijk voor uitgenodigde lezers. Ik hoop dat het tijdelijk is. It's a bloody shame really... Can someone please shut up Clarence Mitchell!!!

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      zondag 10 augustus 2008 @ 22:09:59 #143
    159353 Tmaatje
    turrrbotrut
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    Suko ; zo'n blaaskaak kun je pas het zwijgen opleggen als hij zijn supporters verliest en dat kunnen hele grote jongens zijn......zolang hij een goed netwerk heeft begin je niks helaas.
    Toch verbaast een ding mij in hoge mate; de engelse politie heeft een record in handen wbt niet afgesloten zaken; al 125 jaar is een zaak niet afgesloten, waarom gaat dit dossier al na een jaar op slot?
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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    quote:
    Op zondag 10 augustus 2008 22:09 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Suko ; zo'n blaaskaak kun je pas het zwijgen opleggen als hij zijn supporters verliest en dat kunnen hele grote jongens zijn......zolang hij een goed netwerk heeft begin je niks helaas.
    Toch verbaast een ding mij in hoge mate; de engelse politie heeft een record in handen wbt niet afgesloten zaken; al 125 jaar is een zaak niet afgesloten, waarom gaat dit dossier al na een jaar op slot?
    Hoi Tmaatje, die Mitchell heeft inderdaad een giga-netwerk, eerst als BBC-verslaggever en naderhand in deze organistie, Media Monitoring Unit: "COI offers expertise, advice and procurement to meet the communications needs of government departments and agencies." Lees ook: UK government agency, blogs and Clarence Mitchell Nu dus in dienst (at the request of the Foreign Office) van rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy, maar het is de bedoeling dat Michell gewoon in die organisatie terugkomt. Hij maakte eerst publiek zelf iets te gaan voor vermiste kinderen maar mogelijk is dat PR-geleuter. Want ook van zijn hand, sept 2007: "just last month he was pushing a new initiative at the MMU looking at an online monitoring product to track public debates from blogs." Iets wat nu al speelt...

    Het is een mannetje wat niet alleen spin produceert maar ook zelf als een spin in een web bivakkeert waar hij kennelijk kan doen en laten wat hij wil...hij weet dat velen van hem afhankelijk zijn. Bekend is dat hij via zijn eerdere journalistieke werk veel weet, heel veel...handig. Zoals ik eerder heb gepost, deuren gaan voor hem open die voor anderen gesloten blijven. Ik weet niet of dat zo blijft als PM Gordon Brown moet aftreden, die verkeerd in zwaar weer. We zullen zien. Wel heb ik de indruk dat het net zo belangrijk is dat je veel weet, maar vooral ook wie je kent....

    Wat betreft die nog steeds openstaande zaken in de UK, de zaak Madeleine McCann valt onder de Portugese wetten. Wel is het zo, zoals je weet, dat elk echt nieuw bewijs de zaak ala minuut kan worden heropend. Maar ook dan vrees ik dat de Britse invloed/druk weer met volle kracht wordt ingezet...Interessant is in deze dat misschein wel in UK die mogelijke fraude qua fonds kan worden onderzocht, maar dan moet je wel in sprookjes geloven....

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    In een commentaar zegt Peter McKay in de Daily Mail aan het einde:
    quote:
    "In one sighting, the girl involved said she was 'Maddie' and had been taken from her mother. Yet the McCanns say Madeleine was never known as 'Maddie' to them. It's an abbreviation devised by newspapers so the name will fit headlines.

    What would your first instinct be if you saw a girl you were sure was Madeleine? Surely to find a policeman. But none of those spotting her seems to have had time to do this. I am sure the majority of Madeleine-spotters are honest, if mistaken, but the sad reality is that, for some, it's a form of attention-seeking."
    Tell your boss(es) Peter MvcKay, don't print the rubbish about this fake-sightings, clearly for sure it's all Clarrie-crap, just selling the news, just selling Madeleine, and you know it. Stop this nonsens....for a long time nobody believes your stories, but you cannot tell the truth, can you...shame on you British journalists Clarrie/Kennedy-slaves....

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    Policemen followed thousands of leads - Correio da Manhã Joana Morais
    quote:
    Sightings: Process includes 2550 pages about persons who say they saw the little girl

    The detectives that were hired by the McCanns search for the little English girl on Margarita Island, in Venezuela and in Brussels today. The PJ studied over 1500 locations

    Reports appear at an almost daily rate in different parts of the world, where little girls that look like Maddie were seen. Today, the detectives that were hired by the McCanns investigate the possibility that the English girl is alive in Belgium or on Margarita Island, in Venezuela. The Polícia Judiciária has already studied over 1500 locations. The information fills 2550 pages, divided into 14 volumes, of the thirty thousand pages of the process. All the sightings that were narrated to the Portuguese authorities failed to reveal any indicium that Maddie is alive.

    In Brussels, a bank security worker says he saw a little girl that looked like Madeleine a week ago, accompanied by a Muslim woman from North Africa. John Berckmans, a spokesman for the Belgium police, says the images from the bank’s video surveillance system are being observed, in order to establish the veracity of the allegations. This sighting appears after it was publicized that the Scotland Yard obtained an information “without evidence” that a Belgium paedophile network had placed an ‘order’ on the internet for a girl, three days before the disappearance. Nevertheless, the PJ also followed up on this lead, which ended up revealing no credibility.

    In Venezuela, detectives follow another lead that was raised by British citizen Trevor Francis. On the 16th of May, he recognized Maddie in a restaurant, accompanied by two Spanish women. In the process, yet another recent sighting is reported. This time, in Portugal, by an Angolan citizen, who associates Maddie with a Dutch car.

    The Portuguese police reveals that Maddie was seen on the same day in places that are over four thousand kilometers apart. The growth in the volume of sightings made it a priority to collect material to identify the DNA profile.

    Video of orgies with children has no connection with the case

    The British authorities informed the PJ about the existence of a video where a little girl that looked like Maddie was sexually abused in an orgy. The images were reportedly captured in Beirut, the capital of Lebanon, and would include the presence of Arab sheiks. The information was from Superintendent Stuart Prior and included that the video would be delivered in London in exchange for money. Although the girl in the video resembled Maddie, the video was immediately removed from the process because the recording had been made four months before the disappearance.

    Press

    ‘Sunday Express’ – The newspaper places yet another efit of the possible suspect who abducted Maddie in Praia da Luz, on the front page.

    ‘Sunday Mirror’ – After Belgium, the newspapers detail a possible sighting in the Caribbean. source: Correio da Manhã, 11.08.2008, paper edition by astro
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      maandag 11 augustus 2008 @ 14:45:48 #146
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Goedemiddag!

    Goh, dat arme kind is wat afgereisd zeg, thousends of leads.....

    hebben jullie dit al gezien?
    quote:
    Police are studying CCTV footage of a young girl resembling Madeleine McCann walking with a woman in Belgium.

    The footage is being enhanced by American specialists

    A bank security guard raised the alarm after spotting the blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl in Brussels.

    The child, who is around Madeleine's age, was caught on security cameras with a dark-haired women in a hijab head scarf who spoke in a different language.

    She was of North African or Arabic appearance and seemed to be pregnant.

    At one stage, the girl was heard to ask in English: "Can we go back now?"
    Er staat hier ook een link naar het filmpje.
    be nice or go away
    pi_60743444
    Als het allemaal niet zo treurig was, maar uh ik kan er niks aan doen, ik lig weer in een deuk. These are the darkest times voor the British press... Overigens woon ik een kinderrijke buurt, daar zie je van alle kleuren kindjes, met hun ouders/oppassers, het is niet zo moeilijk zoiets in elkaar te flansen, of je gaat naar een paar straten in bv A.dam/R.dam.Nog maar eens wat feitjes over die gevonden sporen, welke zijn gevonden door die snuffelhonden Eddy & Keela, Joana Morais:
    quote:
    10 Agosto, 2008

    Dog Detects car of the McCann Couple
    Investigation: Traces of blood and smell of the death in the vehicle


    One of the dogs used by the PJ signalled Kate and Gerry car among ten vehicles parked in an underground parking triggered by the cadaver odour

    The vehicle used by Kate and Gerry McCann, a Renault Scénic, travelled, in a little over a month, between the 27th of May and 3rd of July, 2750 kilometres, at a time when the McCanns were globetrotting. This was one of the leads followed by the investigators of the Maddie case. The PJ tried to clarify who drove the car and which were the routes done by the vehicle where traces [body fluids, DNA] presumed to belong to Madeleine were found.

    The vehicle was handed over to the McCanns with 3114 kilometres, on the 27th of May of last year, just a few days before one of the most mediatic travels done by the parents of the disappeared child in Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May of 2007: the audience with the Pope Benedict XVI. On the 3rd of July, the car's kilometer counter registered 5864 kilometres.

    TRACES

    The vehicle driven by the McCanns turned out to be one of the most important means of proof for the PJ, after traces of the child had been found by the English dogs, namely odour to human cadaver and to blood.

    In one of the cino-techniques [Human Remains detection by expert dogs] done on 6th of August by the dog ‘Eddie’, of the English Springer Spaniel race, who detects odour of cadaver, the animal signalled the car of the McCanns between ten vehicles that were in an underground parking. There were traces of blood in the key and at the car boot. The key still had odour to corpse.

    Identical traces were found by the animals in the Ocean Club’s apartment, in a flowerbed in the back yard, in two of Kate's clothes and in one of Maddie’s and in the 'plush toy' of the child, which the mother carried everywhere.

    In the apartment there were evidences, specifically in the couple’s room (in a corner, near the wardrobe) and in the living room (behind of the sofa, next to the side window of the apartment).

    NOTES

    ARCHIVED
    The investigation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was archived by the Attorney General of the Republic (PGR) on the 21st of July.

    REOPENING
    The process can be reopened if new elements of proof appear.

    30 THOUSAND PAGES
    The process made available to the media on Tuesday was recorded in a DVD. The process has more than 30 thousand pages, which correspond to 47 volumes of investigation. Source: Correio da Manhã 09.08.2008
    En dan wat conclusies uit het eindrapport (de verkorte versie) zoals die begin augustus publiek werd gemaakt.
    quote:
    Extracts on the Cadaver dogs from the PJ Final Report (click here to read the full report)

    pages 35 and 36

    (...) Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in the report.

    In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by MARK HARRISON, whose specialty is the search for missing people or homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human cadaver odor.

    This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom, frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially trained dogs.

    One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.

    After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined, with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the documentation (appendix III).

    In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour of identification and “signaling”, including:

    pages 37 and 38 - to follow

    1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the child disappeared.

    - cadaver odour dog:

    *in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
    *in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment;

    - blood dog:
    * in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);

    2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:

    - cadaver odour dog:

    * in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

    3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed

    * NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

    4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second apartment]

    * NOTHING
    at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;

    5 - In the area of Vila da Luz

    * NOTHING
    was detected by any of the dogs;

    6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN

    - cadaver odour dog:
    * in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
    * in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
    * in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

    7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family

    - cadaver odour dog:
    * signalled the key of the vehicle;

    - blood dog:
    * signalled the key of the vehicle;
    * signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

    8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.

    pages 39 and 40

    * NOTHING was detected by either dog;

    9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and persons that are close to him;

    * NOTHING
    was detected by either dog.

    (in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was rented on the 27th of May)

    On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).

    But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.

    On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.

    Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.

    It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following said inquisition, did she assume that quality.

    Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would officiously force that constitution.(....)

    Related:
    The dogs’ work as described by their own handler - Jornal de Notícias
    7 Aug 2008
    The cadaver detection dog “Eddie” and the blood detection dog “Keela” showed themselves as “very excited” when they entered apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, the one that had been occupied by the McCann couple during their holidays...

    "Madeleine died in the apartment" - Correio da Manhã
    23 Jul 2008
    We talk about blood residues because the CSI dog is trained to detect only that bodily fluid. The reports that were used to based the decision on, which were written by experts Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, are clear: the CSI dog was...

    English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã
    20 Jul 2008
    Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver...

    McCanns Case: How can a dog sniff through concrete?
    26 Feb 2008
    The McCanns previously tried to dismiss the cadaver dogs findings, stating that the Cadaver dogs were manipulated to react to the Renault Scenic therefore implying that the South Yorkshire police special team handling the dogs was...

    External and Interesting sources:
    Cadaver Dog Handbook (Forensic Training & Tactics) - PDF File
    Cadaver dogs are canines, Canis familiaris, which are specially trained to find human decomposition scent and alert their handlers to its location. They are used in a variety of forensic contexts, including search and discovery of human cadavers, body parts, or body fluids....

    CSI: DOG SQUAD
    At the former children's home at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey, a sensational discovery was made in February; a fragment of what might have been human bone. It was unearthed by a dog trained to detect human remains... by astro
    Toevoeging, één van die snuffelhonden (naast Keela) was Eddie, in dit artikel "Sniffer dogs go crazy as they enter Jersey cellar of death" laten ze alleen het plaatje zien, zonder de naam te noemen, lastig he... Onlangs was er een docu te zien op ITV, ook daarin kwamen deze honden Eddie en Kaala aan de orde. Citaatje: "This week, Send in the Dogs follows dogs from the West Yorkshire Police and Eddie and Keela, two of the most famous dog detectives in Europe, who used to work for South Yorkshire Police." En nog een artikel in de Daily Mail: The first spaniel, seven-year-old Eddie, is an 'enhanced' victim recovery dog specialising in detecting buried human blood, bones and flesh.The second, Keela, has been trained to track down remains corresponding to microscopic blood traces

    Dat het maar weer even gezegd is, op een rijtje, dat het maar even duidelijk is hoe men tot een 'conclusies' is gekomen. Iets waarvan wel duidelijk is hoe men in de UK is omgegaan met het gevonden materiaal, maanden gewacht op uitslagen, na een tweede ronde was opeens alles inconclusive/nothing, één haarstukje met DNA kwam op verzoek van Portugal nooit meer terug uit de UK, was 'per ongeluk' tijdens het testen vernietigd...it's a disgrace. Ook jammer dat de PJ zich zo heeft laten inpakken door de UK, ik zet er vraagrtekens bij wáárom, het kunnen toch niet alleen economische belangen zin... Maar misschien is het wel de bedoeling, het is een belachelijk onderzoek geweest, met die summiere gegevens en die ongelofelijke tegenwerking, misschien moet het publiek het maar uitmaken, straks...als alles openbaar wordt, nou ja, op enkele documenten na, over die Ward of Court-kwestie, met daarin vast ook gegevens over het in care plaatsen van Madeleine bij familie (of mogelijk zelfs elders...) Nog even door deze Clarrie-crap heen bijten, straks kan het publiek zelf een oordeel vellen. Puntje nog, de zaak blijft tot 2022 open voor nieuw bewijsmateriaal, we hebben nog even dus...

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    Misschien een idee om Harrie de Jong ( de neus) naar Portugal te sturen, de man is gespecialiseerd in het opsporen van doden...want ik geloof er niks van dat Madeleine nog leeft, helaas.
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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    Op maandag 11 augustus 2008 21:38 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Misschien een idee om Harrie de Jong ( de neus) naar Portugal te sturen, de man is gespecialiseerd in het opsporen van doden...want ik geloof er niks van dat Madeleine nog leeft, helaas.
    Nou Tmaatje, niet eens zo'n slecht idee, naast Keela en Eddie, en de neus doet de rest...

    Maar we gaan nog even verder, als tegenwicht, beetje balans houden, beetje het team McCann wat pijnlijkheden onder de neus wrijven... Gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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    Translation of Article published in "El Mercurio" Santiago, Chile, Sunday August 10, 2008

    Portuguese Gonçalo Amaral, ex-Chief Inspector on the case, insists on his theory of 2007:

    "There is strong evidence that Maddie is dead" El Mercurio
    by Graciela Almendras 10 August 2008 Thanks to 'carmerina32' for translation
    Traces of blood and of a body detected by dogs in the belongings, flat and car occupied by the couple were part of the proof collected during the period of time when Gonçalo Amaral was in charge of the search for Maddie.

    Last October, one month after the McCanns were declared suspects, he was removed from the case – "without any explanation" he says – and two weeks ago he published the book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie", wherein he considers it proved that the British girl died and that her parents are lying.

    Who supports your theory that Gerry and Kate McCann are the guilty parties in Madeleine’s disappearance?

    In September 2007, the investigation, Portuguese and British police, reached the conclusion that Maddie had died and that the parents were responsible and were involved in the crimes of hiding a body and simulating a kidnapping and potentially the crime of abandonment.

    You have said that the child died when she fell from a sofa – why are you so sure of this?

    First of all, there is strong evidence that Maddie is dead. When I left the case, the investigation was pointing at the sofa, due to the cadaver odour and blood tracked on the floor behind this piece of furniture.

    Which are the clues that indicate that the McCanns simulated a kidnapping?

    The thesis of the kidnapping was based upon two issues. The first, the testimony of Kate's friend Jane Tanner, who said she saw a man carrying a child, while none of the other witnesses mentioned this fact.

    However, one of the suspects was the man recognized by Tanner, Robert Murat.

    I involved him because of his behaviour. Later, Tanner said she recognized him during that night. And also according to statements from other friends in the group holidaying at Praia da Luz.

    The second issue…

    That Maddie's mother is the only person who says that the window was open. When she calls to the other members of the group, she goes out leaving her twins, exposing them once again, to danger. Further proof is Kate's finger prints that describe the movement when she opened the windows – we know that the window was cleaned the previous day -. However, Kate says she never opened the window. And most importantly, there were no signs of breaking in.

    You have been under pressure from the McCann family lawyers.

    I felt strong pressure from the British press. I think that nobody has ever seen such a tendentious campaign such as this one, with the sole purpose of denigrating the Portuguese police and myself.

    After publishing the book, have you received any threats?

    Before publishing it, I received some warnings. Afterwards, these became legal threats. In any case, I am not afraid, because this book presents only data and facts.

    This week, the McCann's accused the Judicial Police of having withheld crucial information at the time you were Director, regarding a witness who said she had seen Madeleine last June.

    It appears that the McCann family is playing their part defending the thesis of a kidnapping. The Dutch police evaluated this evidence, which proved to be ridiculous. We are aiding the marketing of a kidnapping which, obviously, does not fit within a modern law system.

    Do you believe that what happened that night was an accident?

    When I left the investigation, all evidence was leading us in that direction.
    Ik voeg er nog maar eens aan toe dat Amaral is ontslagen, twee uur ná een telefoontje van Gordon Brown, PM van de UK..."Gordon Brown and the existence of Political Pressures The British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown called the police counterpart of Mr.Gonçalo Amaral, in Leicester, to warn him that Gonçalo Amaral had been removed. Gonçalo Amaral was only given notice of his 'removal' from the case two hours after this call was made." mccannfiles.com

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    En ondanks dat de Britse 'pers'' gewoon doorgaat met die Belgische sithing, wat lezen we hier dan: "De vader van het meisje heeft de beelden zelf ook gezien en heeft zich bij de Cel Verdwijningen aangeboden", zegt Lieve Pellens van het federale parket. "Zijn dochtertje was op de bewuste dag samen met de babysitter in Brussel". Meer details over het kind worden niet bekendgemaakt." Het Laatste Nieuws

    Een greep uit the rubbish:
    * "Maddie sightings: We'll know in 24 hours Daily Star
    * Private detectives for the missing child's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, are desperately trying to find the woman, who was filmed with a blonde youngster in Brussels last Monday. Ananova
    * I'd bet all that I own it was her The Sun (Exclusieve)
    * Belgian street vendor sold ice cream to blonde English girl he claims was Madeleine Daily Mail

    Selling news, selling Madeleine....

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    Wat ook een tactiek schijnt te zijn, een zeer compromiterende getuigenis van die Ierse familie Smith (die Gerry McCann mogelijk die fatale nacht heeft gezien met een levenloze Madeleine in z'n armen) wordt enigszins belachelijk gemaakt door dit verhaal. Getuigen vertellen vrijwel hetzelfde, met een aantal kleine verschillen, om het geloofwaarig te houden, om de lezer om de tuin te leiden maar wel zo dat de familie Smith direct in gedachten komt, en dus niet waar kán zijn. Neem alleen dit citaatje: "Also in his second statement, made after watching news coverage of Kate and Gerry McCann returning to Britain from Portugal, Mr McCluskey added: "Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children."The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal. "Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr McCann held the child that made me think." Bron

    En wat zegt Mr. Smith: "''I would be 60 to 80% sure that it was Gerry McCann that I met that night carrying a child," Mr Smith said in his statement. ''It was the way Mr. McCann turned his head down that was similar... It may have been the way he was carrying his child. ''I am basing this on his mannerism, in the way he carried the child off the plane.'' mccannfiles.com Voorlopig hou ik het dus op het belachelijk maken van de fam. Smith...

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    En wat is het team McCann bang voor de Smith-jes. Normaliter negeer ik die nonsens, maar uit dit artikel blijkt wel hoe ze deze getuigenissen van die Ierse familie probleren onderuit te halen, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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    Drogheda businessman told police he saw Gerry McCann carrying a child towards the beach the day Maddie disappeared
    The Irish Mail on Sunday (no online link, appears in paper edition)

    10 August 2008

    Father-of-six gave garda a signed statement saying he and his wife were ''60 to 80% sure'' that the man they saw holding the child was Maddie's father. The claim, which was taken seriously by the Portuguese police, was made almost four months after Maddie disappeared on May 3rd this year.

    Since then the McCanns have been totally exonerated of any involvement.

    Mr. Smith had initally told police he had seen a man carrying a child that night, but that he couldn't identify him because he had not been wearing his glasses. The following September, however, the businessman saw clips of the McCanns returning from their holidays and said the footage of Mr McCann carrying his younger child had instantly reminded him of the mystery man.

    ''I would be 60 to 80% sure that it was Gerry McCann that I met that night carrying a child," Mr Smith said in his statement. ''It was the way Mr. McCann turned his head down that was similar... It may have been the way he was carrying his child.

    ''I am basing this on his mannerism, in the way he carried the child off the plane.''

    Mr Smiths claim was passed to the Portuguese police who took it as more evidence in support of their mistaken belief that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearence. Friends of the McCann family said last night that the decision of the Portuguese police to pursue Mr Smith's claims prove that they were determined to pin the blame on Maddie's parents come what may.

    One said ''Look at the facts. This man sees an individual carrying a child on the night Madeleine vanished. He waits 13 days to report this to the police, going back to Ireland.

    "The McCanns returning to England - It was this image that alerted Mr Smith in the meantime. At this stage he admits he has no idea who the man is, other than a basic description. A further three, almost four months go by before, after seeing him on television, he feels it could be Gerry.

    ''By now the police have dozens of statements putting Gerry back at the apartment complex at that time. Yet the Portuguese ask a combination of the Leicestershire police and the Garda to re-interview this witness. About what?? ''And why? The truth is that this is part of the victimisation of Gerry and Kate which has gone on from the very beginning by the Portuguese,who were clearly desperate to get something against them."

    The extraordinary saga began on the night of May 3rd 2007, as Martin and his wife, Mary, walked back from a local pub in Praia da Luz to their apartment with members of his family. They had decided to return to their apartment within an hour of dining out becasue their son, Peter, was catching an early morning flight the next day.

    As they made their way back, they crossed paths with a slim man with a full head of chestnut coloured hair and dressed in beige trousers coming in the opposite direction. It was 9.55 pm and the man was carrying a sleeping little blonde girl of about 4-years of age. The child's head was was resting on the man's left shoulder.

    At this stage Maddie had already disappeared but the Smiths were unaware that a child had gone missing from PDL.

    It was not until the following morning that a family member living in Ireland told them of Madeleine's idsappearence. Mr Smith returned to Ireland six days after the litle girl went missing and it was another 2 weeks before he travelled back to Portugal to make a statement about what he saw that night.

    In the statement to Portuguese police on May 26th, the grandfather -who wears glasses but was not wearing them at the night in question - said he would not be able to identify the man he saw. Significantly though he was able to tell Police that the man was not Robert Murat, as he had met him on a number of previous occasions.

    After making his statement, Mr Smtih returned to Drogheda and it was not until four months later that that he made contact with the police again. This weekend, Mr Smith's wfe Mary told the Mail on Sunday her husband had no regrets about coming forward.

    He [Martin] doesn't want to talk, said Mrs Smith. He said what he had to say. I was with him [that night]. We saw a man carrying a child and that's all we know. We told them all that and that's it. ''The man he saw had the same stature as Gerry McCann. We felt we had to help. We're happy we did. We reported exactly what we saw.

    "We only did what we thought was right for a missing girl and our hearts are breaking for her parents, as it would be if it were one of ours. ''I feel very much for them [the McCanns]. I have six grandchildren of my own and six children of my own. "The poor McCann family must be heartbroken.''
    Ha ha, nou is iemand opeens niet meer geloofwaardig als men wat later mensen herkend, tjonge jonge, alle sightings die de McCanns van pas komen staan er vol mee, opeens weten getuigen zich Madeleine all over the world te herinneren..Maar we hebben allemaal kunnen lezen dat de Smith-jes niet verder konden worden geinterviewd omdat Ierland niet als zodanig in de Rogatory Letters (verzoek van de PJ om getuigen te kunnen verhoren in de UK) werd genoemd. En dat getuigen Gerry rondom dat tijdstip hebben gezien in de Tapasbar wordt alleen bevestigd door de vrienden, barpersoneel weten niet meer te herinneren wie en wanneer iemand in het restaurant aanwezig was. En dát de Smith-jes wel belangrijk zijn blijkt wel uit het feit dat geldschieterd Brian Kenndy deze familie (naast Robert Murat) heeft bezocht.

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    Again, selling the news, selling Madeleine. Vertaald door Joana Morais
    quote:
    Detectives become multimillionaires - Correio da Manhã

    Investigation
    : McCann couple pays 212 thousand euros per month

    Criticizing the Polícia Judiciária’s work, the McCann couple understands that “the obtained documents have potential that may not close the case”


    An English newspaper has struck a deal with the McCann couple, as a reply to the defamatory news about the latter, to participate in the payment of the fees of the detective team that tries to find Maddie. The detectives collect 166 thousand pounds (212 thousand euros) per month to carry out the searches, according to the ‘Sunday Times’, which omits the name of the newspaper and of the investigator firm.

    The new team of private detectives has a multimillionaire salary, compared to the amount that was paid to the Spanish at Método 3. The company, which is directed by Francisco Marco, publicized that they received 60 thousand euros for six months of work. The coverage of expenses against the presentation of receipts earned them an additional 108 thousand euros.

    The work of the private investigators is carried out based on the investigation that was done by the Polícia Judiciária, until the process was archived. With the purpose of finding Maddie alive, these experts dedicate great attention to the depositions by persons who assert that they saw little girls looking like Maddie in different locations of the world. In the observation of leads, the detectives have valued the possible connection between the alleged abduction and a Belgian paedophile network, which three days before the disappearance “ordered through the internet” a girl with Maddie’s characteristics. Just like the British police, the Portuguese authorities did not value the lead. Even the Child Protection Centre in the United Kingdom comments the information with some reservation.

    Criticizing the performance of the Polícia Judiciária, the McCanns defend that the publicity of the process has given the searches a new impulse. “The documents possess great potential and some may allow for the case not to be closed”, their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, sustains.

    Strong means

    Donation fund – With the purpose of paying for a private investigation, Maddie’s parents have created a fund for the public to give money, right after the English girl’s disappearance.

    Empty fund – The McCanns’ spokesman stated in June that the fund was not drained, and that 630 thousand euros were then available.

    Another two million – In July, the fund was reinforced with two million euros of donations.
    Zoals was te verwachten, eerdere post: "Men trekt mogelijk weer de beurs open om alle sightings/sporen na te gaan, en daar is weer veel geld voor nodig, nieuwe campagnes wellicht?" En natuurlijk deals met kranten, zoals blijkt...

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    De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
    quote:
    Belgium sighting is not Madeleine 34 minutes ago

    A possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Belgium has been ruled out, the Belgian authorities said. The father of a young blonde girl captured on CCTV in Brussels on August 4 came forward on Monday night to explain that his daughter was not the missing girl.

    Lieve Pellens, spokeswoman for the Belgian federal prosecutor's office, said: "He saw this picture and obviously for him it was very easy recognising the girl accompanied by a woman in a veil." She added: "It's her nanny - she is a young Moroccan woman who is qualified to look after children and works in a care centre."

    The news will be a blow to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who had hoped the Brussels sighting would provide the breakthrough they have been awaiting for more than 15 months. CCTV images of the potential sighting in the western Molenbeek suburb of Brussels show the woman walking down the street hand-in-hand with the child.

    And a security guard at a branch of the KBC Bank reportedly overheard the girl say to the adult in English, "Can we go back now?" The McCanns were shown the grainy security camera footage but could not rule out the possibility that the child might be their daughter. Their private detectives followed up the report with the help of investigators in Brussels and video enhancement experts in the US.

    Belgian police planned to show the CCTV footage on national television if nobody came forward to explain the sighting. But Ms Pellens said it had turned out that the four-year-old girl was the "ordinary Belgian daughter of an ordinary Belgian citizen".
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      dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 @ 16:04:00 #153
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    You are my sunshine......
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    Op dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 12:27 schreef Suko het volgende:
    De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
    [..]

    Op naar de volgende sithing....

    maak je borst maar nat, here they come......
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    DETECTIVES in Belgium have been alerted to 30 new “sightings” of missing Madeleine McCann in the past seven days, the Daily Express can reveal.


    They come a week after a blonde, blue-eyed child was spotted outside a Brussels bank, pleading with a north African woman in English to be allowed to go home.
    http://www.express.co.uk/(...)in-Belgium-in-a-week

    Oh en het is nog steeds de schuld van de Portugezen......
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    Most of the Portuguese police officers who looked for Madeleine McCann after her disappearance had no formal training in missing people searches, case files revealed yesterday.

    Up to 100 personnel spent a week scouring an area up to 15km (9.3 miles) around the Algarve resort where the girl vanished on May 3 last year.

    But they failed to find any clues to Madeleine's fate, and in July Portuguese detectives called in leading British expert Mark Harrison.

    advertisementMr Harrison, national search adviser for all UK police agencies in cases of missing people, homicides and abductions, reviewed the initial operations and advised on the inquiry's future strategy.

    He noted that neither search co-ordinator Major Luis Sequeira nor most of his teams had received any training for the task of looking for the missing girl.

    Between 80 and 100 people drawn from the Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR) local police, civil protection, fire brigade, Red Cross and urban police were involved in the searches.

    In his report, dated July 23 last year, Mr Harrison wrote: "Major Sequeira has not benefited from any formal training or accreditation in the management of searching for missing persons.

    "The search officers - with the exception of the search and rescue team dispatched from Lisbon - had not benefited from any formal training in search procedures."

    The report, contained in police files made public last week, focuses on the possibility that Madeleine was murdered and her body hidden in areas previously scrutinised by police.

    Mr Harrison highlighted an open area to the east of Praia da Luz, the village where the girl disappeared, that afforded "many opportunities to dispose of a body" and recommended fresh searches there.

    Most significantly, he advised that specialist sniffer dogs should be used to examine key sites such as the McCanns' holiday apartment and the home of official suspect Robert Murat.

    In late July and early August two British dogs trained to scent corpses and human blood were brought to Portugal and taken around property associated with people connected to the case.

    The sniffer dog and DNA evidence were central to Portuguese detectives' decision to name Mr and Mrs McCann as "arguidos", or formal suspects, in Madeleine's disappearance on September 7 last year.

    In his report Mr Harrison also concluded that information about the child's whereabouts provided by a former South African policeman was "likely to be of low value".

    Danie Krugel, who claims to have invented a device for finding missing people, visited Praia da Luz last July on the invitation of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

    Based on his investigations he said he believed she was not transported beyond the area where she disappeared.
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    Oh heerlijk, nieuwe sightings... Maar wat vertelde diezelfde Mark Harrison nog meer... Take note Clarence Mitchell 20/07/08 Joana Morais:
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    "English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã

    TracesFinding the trail of a death changed the direction of the investigation

    An exhaustive report explains the possible scenarios to hide a body and defends the animals’ reliability

    Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver odours and blood traces. The discovery of the residues and the signaling of the trail of a cadaver thus ended up formally changing the direction of an investigation that had been limited to the theory of abduction until then.

    The report, which praises the Portuguese authorities’ work, suggested that the animals should be taken to all the locations where the body might have been hidden. From the apartment that had been rented by the McCanns up to the crèche, through the beach and the church area.

    Mark Harrison explained that it was necessary to analyse the scenarios of Madeleine having been killed that night and her body abandoned by a person on foot or by car. The expert added that despite of the high costs of that search, it should be carried out in order to clarify the case.

    Dogs are reliable

    In the report, Mark Harrison says that it us very unlikely that the body was buried in the sand. The English policeman defends that a launch into the sea is the most likely scenario, while the body should also be searched for within an area of cliffs and dense bushes that lies east of Praia da Luz.

    The two English dogs were presented as an indispensable help to the investigation, after their abilities and the manner in which they are trained were explained in detail, as well as the fact that they both react to blood traces and cadaver odours, without a single episode of “false positives” in the investigations.

    In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie’s death, then it would be a fact.


    Details

    High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high costs of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

    False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signaled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

    Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.
    En gewoon voor de gein meld ik nog ff dat zelfs US regelmatig de expertise van deze twee honden gebruikt. BBC En ook in deze eerdere post over deze honden en de US. (ha ha zo kom je je zelf weer eens tegen via google) 5 oktober 2007 Verbazingwekkend hoe de Britse pers toen schreef over de gevonden sporen, ...Zal wel toeval zijn maar 3 dagen ervoor kreeg Amaral de zak, twee uur na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown. Ik denk dat Amaral op onderzoeklijnen zat die gevaarlijk werden, hij wist gewoon te veel IMO. Zijn hond werd overigens vermoord, mccannfiles.com: "Mr Amaral gets a phone call from his scared wife. Somebody had killed one of the family dogs, a Shitzu who had a serious head injury." Pure intimidatie...

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    Hoe je een verhaal verkoopt en door verkoopt, een beveiliger, die mogelijk Madeleine zag, na twee dagen overdenking en speuren op het internet, verteld hij dit aan zijn bazen en wordt de politie gebeld, die bekijken de CCTV-beelden, rapport opgemaakt en vervolgens aan the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police.overhandigd. De pers wist nog van niets, niet voor lang. Totdat de tabloids het nieuws lazen van die beveiliger. Allemaal naar Belgie. En dan dit: "Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC." Bron
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    Tuesday, 12 August 2008 Enfants Kidnappés 12/08/08: It's not Madeleine in Molenbeek, Brussels.
    Another excellent article from the Association Enfants Kidnappés about the little girl seen by the security guard at a bank in Molenbeek-Saint-Jean in Brussels. I think the British press is finally catching up with the, "Breaking news," that actually appeared in the Belgian media at around 11pm on Monday.

    It's not Madeleine, contrary to a certain press. We are going to give you a little reminder of some real facts, as they happened, without all the modifications and inventions of the press.

    On Monday August 4th, the security guard, Alain, employed by the Securitas company and seconded to cover security at KBC's administrative headquarteres in the Avenue du Port, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, one of 19 urban areas of Brussels, was in his post in front of the bank towards 10.30 in the morning. His attention was drawn to a young woman and a little blond girl walking past the bank. The little girl was blond and the woman with her seemed to be North African. His gaze followed the, "strange pair," the woman and the little girl made. It wasn't until two days later that he would inform his superiors. The latter immediately called on the services of the police.

    Alain stated to the police:

    "I was working at the front of the branch. I noticed this little blond girl, accompanied by a woman of Moroccan origin. I was immediately struck by the obvious difference between the girl and that woman. I was drawn by the words of the little girl, who said, as part of a sentence, that I didn't hear the beginning or the end of, "...I GO BACK..." (Editor's note: and not, LET ME GO HOME as stated by a certain bad press!!)

    The little girl was dressed in a white shirt, over which she was wearing a white sweater. She had on a dark grey skirt with a tartan checked pattern. Below her skirt, she was wearing white stockings and shoes. The little girl had very clear blue eyes, very clear. As I was mostly paying attention to the little girl, I didn't get a very good look at the woman who was with her. However, I can tell you that she had brown eyes. I didn't see her hair, but she was wearing a scarf on her head. She was dressed in quite a modern fashion. After they had gone past, I went back into the back. I didn't manage to remember where I had seen that little girl before. The next day I was on leave. As this little girl was going round in my head, I did some research on the internet. That was how I came across photos of Madeleine McCann. I then thought I had recognised the little girl. I wasn't sure. First of all I told myself that it wasn't possible, that I must be mistaken. But as time went on, my conviction grew. On my return to work, I informed my superiors. They contacted the police.

    On arrival, the police proceeded to questioning Alain V. the bulk of which is detailed below. Then the police officers looked at the 5 videos captured by the surveillance cameras. One of the police officers there suggested asking the area inspector if he knew anyone in the area who might look like the little girl. The report was prepared and all the details were sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police. At that time, the press were not aware of the guard's witness statement. Not for long....

    Getting to the bottom of the case.

    Following the SOS Madeleine article about the guard's witness statement, the British press, who were seeking at all costs to discredit Belgium in the eyes of their readers, making Belgians out to be people who wallowed in prostitution and as paedophiles satisfying our fantasies with children, grabbed hold of the case. From then on there were journalists from various tabloids in Brussels: News of the World, The Mail, The Daily Mail and the Mirror. Only the, "SUN," went to Ghent instead of to Brussels. Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC. The next day, the, "SUN," published online the 5 videos of the case which were intiially sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Police. According to our information, the, "SUN," paid 40,000¤ for these videos.

    Then, the,"SUN," resold them to SKY News for the tidy sum of 100,000¤. Still according to our information, the purchase of the videos was made through the intermediary of someone whose son had done a work placement in the UK with the, "SUN," and the father (whose identity we are not going to disclose) was very close to the investigation. Thus, for money, he would have leaked information and sold documents in violation of the article of the Belgian Penal Code on professional secrecy to which the police are bound! From then on the press jostled with each other in Molenbeek. The Mirror even had three teams, one of whom had the task of following the, "SUN," team and to be right behind them everywhere. At that time, the newspapers disinformed the public by disclosing false information. Thus, the, "SUN," stated that: "The Belgian police recognise that it could be Madeleine."

    Absolutely false information since at that time, the investigators already knew that it wasn't Madeleine.
    The Daily Mail journalists did interesting work. They went into all the shops and cafés in the area around KBC and placed posters with photos of the woman and the little girl, bearing their telephone number. These posters bore fruit. The little girl's father became angry when he saw photos of his daughter plastered all over his neighbourhood. He went home. He got onto the internet. He saw the images disclosed by the, "SUN," and he immediately understood the importance of the matter and went to the police. The young pregnant woman who was with the little girl was none other than her nanny.

    Note that the guard's statement was in good faith. He was not seeking to attract attention. As you look at the videos, you can't help being worried by a certain resemblance in appearance. In addition, the little girl indeed speaks English. We have seen the little girl and the resemblance with Madeleine is truly striking. We would have fallen into the trap ourselves. Association Enfants Kidnappés: 12/08/08 Kidnapping.be
    Waren de tabloids maar zo ordinair bezig met de McCanns en hun vrienden, waar zijn de tijden gebleven van die goeie ouwe riooljournalistiek, achter en in vuilnisbakken/struiken posten, ongezien volgen van de 'objecten', buren en collega's quooitjes ontfutselen, maar niets, helemaal niets, nada...those where the days, sjucht

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    Gerry McCann en een lolly... Goedemorgen overigens.
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    13/08/08 Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
    Gerry laughed during the drama at the PJ - Correio da Manhã

    Extortion
    PJ solved two attempts of fraud against the McCanns

    The PJ successfully solved the two attempts to extort money from the McCann couple in return for information about their missing daughter. But Maddie’s father’s laughs during the negotiations caused strangeness. The ambience in the room was heavy, when on the 14th of June 2007, contact was established with a stranger in Holland, who seemed to shed a light on the darkness that the investigation was in, a month after the disappearance.

    Against the nervousness of the Portuguese and the English policemen, Gerry McCann’s attitude surprised everyone in the room, the former coordinator of the process, Gonçalo Amaral, later recollected.

    In a careless manner, Maddie’s father “made a contrast with the anxiety of the policemen and intrigued the investigators. Gerry “sucked on a lollipop in a relaxed manner while he read banalities on the internet and discussed rugby and football with an English policeman”, the former coordinator from the Polícia Judiciária wrote in the book’Truth of the Lie’.

    The Dutch police would eventually discover that the Dutchman from Eindhoven, who used a cybercafé to demand two million euros per email, knew nothing about Maddie’s whereabouts. In late June 2007, the McCann couple would suffer another extortion attempt, with the promise of information about their daughter, made by a couple in South Spain.

    The intervention of the PJ with the Spanish authorities demonstrated that Italian Danilo Chemello and Portuguese Aurora Pereira Vaz, who claimed four million euros, didn’t know anything about Maddie McCann, either. The coordination between the Judiciária and the police forces of Spain and Holland led to the detention of the individuals, who wanted to extort six million euros from the McCanns.

    With the solving of both frauds, the Polícia Judiciária reinforced the thesis that the child had suffered a deadly accident in the Ocean Club holiday apartment.

    Profession explains coldness

    The coldness that Gerry McCann always demonstrated during the process of his daughter’s disappearance was noted both by the Portuguese and the British investigators. Gonçalo Amaral, the former operational coordinator of the investigations into the ‘Maddie case’ recalls that one of the English policemen used to say: “Don’t forget that he is a cardio surgeon and starts opening people up right after breakfast.” The ‘cold’ expressions of the McCanns also surprised the public opinion. But despite the fact that Maddie’s mother was never seen crying in public, the investigator stated that “Kate cried several times” for Maddie.

    Ransom

    Arrested in Holland – On the 4th of July 2007, the Dutch police arrested the 39-year-old man who tried to extort two million euros from the McCanns.

    Detained in Spain – On the 28th of June 2007, the Spanish police arrested the Italian and the Portuguese who tried to deceive the McCann couple.
    Overigens is Gerry McCann geen hartchirurg maar een consultant cardiologist at the Glenfield Hospital. Bron Ongetwijfeld zal Gerry wel eens bij operaties aanwezig zijn maar geen hartoperaties uitvoeren, dat is echt een andere dicipline.

    (Het wordt een beetje eng in de UK, een snipper: "From The Times August 13, 2008 "Councils get power to ‘spy’ on your e-mail and net use. Councils and health authorities are to be given the right to access e-mail and internet records under surveillance powers to be introduced next year, the Home Office said yesterday. Although first proposed to tackle terrorism and serious crime, powers have been extended to cover other criminal activity, public health, threats to public safety and even prevention of self-harm.)
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    Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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    McCann case: 24 pictures that may help to re-open the case

    A tourist that was at the Tapas Bar, on the night of May 3, took several pictures where the table with the McCann and their friends is visible. The tourist was with his wife and another couple and they took pictures from each other, with the McCann table on the background. The owner of the pictures is negotiating with several British newspapers to sell the rights for an exclusive publication, but with a condition: before being published, the pictures must be sent to the Portuguese police. The tourist is well aware that the pictures may have important evidence related with a crime and not sending it to police is considered also a crime, in his country.

    Yesterday, a well known legal office from UK knew about the existence of those pictures and contacted the owner, offering to buy all pictures for 600,000 Euros. But the British lawyers didn't accept the condition set by the owner – that the pictures should be sent to the Portuguese police, just before the transaction. The lawyers' office wanted to be free to choose the moment when the pictures would be send to Portuguese authorities, so the offer was refused by the tourist. Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
    Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

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      woensdag 13 augustus 2008 @ 13:07:37 #158
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    Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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    Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

    goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

    Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
    be nice or go away
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    Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 13:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

    Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
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    Goeiemiddag Kahaarin. Ja ja, alles draait nog op volle toeren. Ik geloof alleen wat er uit die files is gepeurd door de Portugese pers en de citaten uit Amaral's boek. Want het is toch opwerkelijk dat het team McConn daar geen reacties op geeft....

    En verder kwam ik een filmpje tegen over Jane Tanner, hoe dat mens toch de hele boel bij elkaar heeft gelogen. Uit eerdere artikelen al gepost in de vorige delen van dit topic, dat ze eerst natuurlijk een eggman zag, ze kon zijn gezicht niet zien. Totdat ze echt meende Robert Murat te herkennen. Om uiteindelijk terecht te komen bij die creepy man die eerder getuige Gail Cooper had beschreven. Nog afgezien van het feit dat Tanner op weg was toen ze hem zag, en later toch op de terugweg...en niemand heeft haar gezien, terwijl ze toch Gerry en Jeremy zag kletsen < met z'n kind in buggy, daar heeft ze het niet over. Moest ze soms een alibi voor haar afwezigheid verzinnen...?

    Wat schrijft Amaral: "Jane Tanner was placed inside a surveillance van from police (windows that allow to look outside, from the van, without being seen), the van was parked in a strategic position, near the A5 apartment, and PJ investigators took Murat with them, making exactly the same walk the man carrying a child has made, according to Jane Tanner. Jane Tanner looked at Murat walking and told police she was sure he was the same man, she recognized the way he walked, with no doubt.

    Maar wat zegt die Tanner op 20 november 2007 in de Daily Mail: "But she admitted: "I simply don't know if I could identify again the man I saw that night. I've never pointed the finger at Robert Murat because I simply don't know if it was him or not."

    En later in The Times January 21, 2008 : "Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said that the new picture resembled a man whom she has told police she saw carrying a child from the Algarve resort on the night that Madeleine vanished. She has offered to return to Portugal to assist the police inquiry, but they have declined." <<<< en zoals we nu inmiddels weten is die laatste opmerking ook een vette leugen.

    Van Eggman/ naar > Robert Murat naar > Creepy Man (ook wel Bundleman, de man gevonden, nergens iets mee te maken)



    Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37.
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    Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.
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    Anatomy of a badly told story

    From the blog of Frederico Duarte Carvalho, a journalist and author, an excellent analysis of the timeline:

    “There is still so much to discover inside the process”, I was told a few days ago by the former coordinator of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, when together with João Vasco Almeida, I interviewed him for “Focus” – see the edition of tomorrow, the 13th. The author of the book “Maddie – Truth of the Lie” (140 thousand copies sold and foreseen translations for Spain and Germany) gave us what was the first interview after the case left the premises of the judicial secrecy. So, the former coordinator accepted to look to the computer where we had the DVD with the process open, and pointed his finger at the moment where the fatal contradiction of the witness statements by some of the main players in the night when the alert to the disappearance of the English girl in Praia da Luz was raised, is registered: “No member of the media has ever crossed those depositions”, Gonçalo Amaral said to us.

    It is all in the first of the 17 volumes, which run to 4713 pages. It was the contradiction between the initial statement from Jane Tanner, a marketing manager, and the one from her companion, doctor Russell O’Brian, that raised the suspicions that the marketing manager might be lying when she said she had seen an alleged abductor carrying a child. This happened as early as the 4th of May, within the first hours after the disappearance.

    Russell O’Brian, a doctor and Jane Tanner’s husband, worked directly with Madeleine’s father, Gerry McCann, for six months. They became fathers at approximately the same time, as Russell’s older daughter is just one month older than Madeleine. When the witness statements from Gerry, Jane and Russell were crossed, the PJ’s investigators realized that “the story was badly told”. de rest in het Engels verder te lezen.
    In het kort:
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    Volgens Gerry, cheching de kids: 9.05 p.m opent met sleutel het apartement, keek in de kamer waar de kids sliepen, naar de wc gegaan, ging weer weg en sprak op de terugweg op straat even met tennisvriend Wilkens, die wandelde daar met z'n kind (die kon niet slapen) en ging weer naar de Tapasbar.

    Echtgenoot van Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien verklaard later: Jane verliet de Tapasbar bijna gelijkertijd met Gerry met ong. 5 min verschil. Zij moet iets eerder zijn terug gekomen om Gerry en Wilkens te zien praten. De vraag is of Tanner op de heenweg Gerry en Wilkens geeft zien praten of op de terugweg.

    Gerry en Tanner verlieten dus met pakweg 5 min verschil de Tapasbar. Hoe was het dus mogelijk voor Gerry in die korte tijd de kids te checken, bleef momenten op de wc, op de terugweg naar de tapasbar, even gesproken met Wilkens, en dat allemaal in 5 minuten.

    Jane Tanner garandeert dat ze op de heenweg naar haar apartement Gerry en Wilkens zag praten. Was Gerry dan al weer op de terugweg? Is het dan toch mogelijk dat Gerry op de heenweg Wilkens tegenkwam? Hoe is het dan mogelijk dat zowel Gerry alswel Wilkens Jane Tanner niet hebben gezien, zij beweert ze wel gezien te hebben, ze liepen toen allemaal op dezelfde weg.

    En dan ziet Jane Tanner ook op de heenweg na het passeren van Gerry en Wilkens, een paar meter verder op de hoek iemand met een kind lopen, richting Murat's huis. Ze beweert pertinent op de heenweg.

    Dat was het begin van het ontvoeringsverhaal en de verdachtmaking van Robert Murat.

    Toen Jane na het checken van haar kids naar de Tapasbar terugging was Gerry niet meer aan 't kletsen met Wilkens maar zag ze hem terug in de Tapasbar met Kate. Na 15 a 20 min ging echtgenoot Russel naar het apartement voor de check, samen met Mike Oldfield. Hij luisterde in het voorbij gaan alleen bij het apartement van de McCanns.

    Russel bleef in z'n apartement, verzorgde z'n dochter, daarom at Jane wat sneller en ging ook naar het apartement. Russel ging daarop weer terug naar de Tapasbar. Vervolgens ging Kate weg voor de check. Het was toen 22.00 a 22.15 uur toen Jane in haar apartement Kate en Fiona Payne hoorde schreeuwen dat Madeleine was verdwenen.
    Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

    Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....

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    Alweer een verklaring ontmaskerd, dit keer van Najoua Chekaya, the aerobic instructor in de Tapasbar, gelezen op mccanndiles.com. Zij was dus alleen op zondag en dinsdag aanwezig en dus niet op die fatale donderdag 3 mei:
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    The aerobic instructor short statement Gazeta Digital

    Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis Thursday August 14 2008

    Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a "Quiz Game", at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.

    On May 1, 2007, after the "Quiz" was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.

    During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
    Nigel van mccannfiles.com:
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    Comment: This is an extremely important piece of information, as we had previously been led to believe that Ms Chekaya had undertaken her quiz, and been invited to the table by Gerry, on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. Her police statement makes it quite clear that this was not the case. Consequently, she cannot corroborate, or provide an alibi for, any of the McCanns or their friends movements on the night of May 3rd.

    Who was the source for the Daily Mail article that said she was present at the table on that night?

    Reminder of Daily Mail article:

    I just want to go home, says fitness teacher who is key witness Daily Mail

    Last updated at 12:03 16 August 2007

    A Briton critical to the Madeleine McCann investigation has told friends she is now desperate to leave Portugal. Aerobics instructor Najoua Chekaya was chatting with Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends when Madeleine, then three, vanished from the family's Algarve apartment in Praia da Luz.

    That night, Ms Chekaya had organised a bar quiz at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying. Her evidence is understood to corroborate the McCanns' movements in the hour before the disappearance was discovered. This week police in Portugal publicly declared the McCanns, both doctors from Leicestershire, were not suspects following a smear campaign which suggested they and their friends were somehow implicated.

    Ms Chekaya, 21, from Flitwick, Beds, is still working in Praia da Luz for Ocean Club operator Mark Warner. But she wrote to one friend on social networking site Facebook: "Missin you guys loads. dun with portugal now, wana cum home n have fun in flitwick!! neva thought id say that!!"

    Portuguese laws make it an offence for witnesses in a criminal inquiry to discuss their evidence, but it is understood Ms Chekaya was invited by Mr McCann to join his table when the quiz finished at 9.30pm. It is understood she remained chatting with the McCanns and their friends until 10pm, when Mrs McCann went to check on Madeleine and discovered her daughter missing. What happened between 9pm and 10pm is likely to hold the key to Madeleine's fate.

    Mr McCann checked on Madeleine and her two younger siblings at 9.05pm and reported that all was well and his daughter fast asleep. About 10 to 15 minutes after he returned to the table, a friend, Jane Tanner, went to check. She reported seeing a dark-haired man of about 35 carrying a child as she walked back to the bar afterwards but thought nothing of it.
    De laatste alinea uit dit artikel van de Daily Mail klopt ook niet, zie post hierboven. Janner Tanner zag die man+kind (richting Murat's huis) op de heenweg... Wat een zooi leugens komen er nu naar boven.

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      donderdag 14 augustus 2008 @ 12:25:23 #162
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    Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 21:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.

    Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

    Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....
    Goedemorgen!

    Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

    Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

    Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

    En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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    Kate and Gerry McCann have hired a team of crack U.S detectives to lead the hunt for their missing daughter Madeleine, it has emerged.

    The unnamed US firm is said to have been offered a £500,000 six-month contract by the Find Madeleine Fun to help spearhead the search.

    A friend of the McCanns said: 'The hunt for Madeleine is becoming more and more international and it was felt that a truly international firm was now needed to lead the inquiry.
    http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
    Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
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    Goedemorgen!

    Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

    Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

    Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

    En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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    http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
    Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
    Hajo Kahaarin, indeed, nog maar op een kiertje, want ik postte net dat die arobic-dame niet eens op de fatale avond aanwezig was! Ex-coppers (FBI, CIA en nog iets speciaals of zo) uit de US...nee, geen namen noemen...mmmm, making way to the States, to uhm....Oprah Winfrey/Barbara Walters en wie er maar wat te bieden heeft...misschien nieuwe sightings, de US is nog een onontgonnen gebied in deze. In Europa zijn de McCanns nou wel uitgekotst...America, here they come!
    Een prachtige vakantie Kahaarin!

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    Ik vind dit tot nu toe het meest onthullende (en tevens hilarisch op het einde) interview met Amaral, die inderdaad te dicht bij de waarheid zat, says it all really, IMO. Ik wilde wel uitspraken onderstrepen maar voor geinteresseerden, lees zelf maar and make up your own mind. Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
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    “I was close to finding Maddie”

    The inspector of the McCann case demolishes the abduction theory: “The sightings are marketing”. He explains, for the first time, what remains to be done in order to find the body

    Gonçalo Amaral has already sold 140 thousand copies of his book Maddie: The Truth about a Lie. The former coordinator of the investigation into the case that shocked the country explains his theory to Focus.

    FocusA newspaper reported that your book could be summed up as “murder, the dog wrote”, given the fact that it was the cadaver odour and the blood that were found that led you to sustain the theory that Madeleine McCann died. What do you actually know beyond the dogs?

    Gonçalo Amaral – That comment only reveals the ignorance of the person who wrote it. The technique of residue collection using special dogs like these, CSIs, is usual in England, in the United States and it has already led to more than 200 condemnations. The laboratory where the samples [of blood, cadaver odour and DNA from Maddie] were analyzed has corroborated these experts’ work.

    Focus It has corroborated it, but it does not specify that they belong to Maddie McCann.

    G.A. – They can only match that from Madeleine McCann, because the lab had the twins’ DNA and it was not a match. Those are 15 out of 19 markers that match.

    FocusWhat else sustains the theory?

    G.A. – There is evidence from indicia, which is possible in this country, as long as the prosecutor possesses the conviction and the elements that indicate that, in court, there will be a condemnation. The Public Ministry has to value this evidence that was collected. This time, the Public Ministry considered that the indicia are not sufficient and archived the process.

    FocusAnd what are those indicia that you understand as sufficient?

    G.A. – The atypical behaviour of the parents: The fact that the lady says that she had three children sleeping in one room, that she arrives and one is missing, the window is open, she mentions it’s a cold night, the shutter is up… and she goes away, leaving two children asleep, with a possible abductor around. I know that [the reports from the PJ and from the Public Ministry] didn’t give any relevance to the contradictions and didn’t expose the falsehoods and the false testimonies that exist there from all the persons who intervened. That, deep down, is the evidence that indicates that everyone is lying and those lies cannot be understood.

    FocusAnd who took the child from her bed?

    G.A. – That is the question that we were investigating on the 2nd of October 2007, when I left. From that moment on, little investigation was carried out in that apartment. The parents should have come over for a reconstitution and they didn’t. That was necessary to understand what happened.

    FocusWhich was…

    G.A. – The death of the child in the apartment. The Public Ministry even mentions homicide. The abduction theory has been dismissed due to everything that has been made public.

    Focus How do you defend the “accidental” death?

    G.A. – There is indicia behind the sofa [of the McCanns’ living room]. The sofa is under a window that looks onto the street, which is three or four metres high. It is normal behaviour, and justice deals with normal behaviour, that the parents would have moved the sofa away from the window, given the fact that they had small children and alone at home. The window was easy to open and the shutters were not functioning…

    FocusBut why “accidental”?

    G.A. - I don’t say it’s accidental. Up to that moment, we could only reach an accidental death, because we had not worked on the rest yet. We had yet to understand what had happened there. Cadaver odour and blood from the child appear next to the sofa. Death has presumably taken place there. There are no doubts that it is a death and that it took place on that spot. We are not going to say that the mother did this or that, that would really be speculating, the only hypothesis is the accidental death. In the continuation of the investigations is where we could go further or not.

    FocusYou said that the mother can’t be accused of having done this or that… How far can you deduct?

    G.A. – As far as we could deduct on the 2nd of October. I believe, and so did my colleagues in the investigation, that if we had continued into the same direction of the investigation, we might eventually have gone further. We might even have reached a point where we dismissed any suspicion concerning the parents. Investigations that only go half the way is what leaves things as they are now.

    FocusAre Madeleine McCanns’ parents responsible for their daughter’s death?

    G.A. – No. There is a neglect in the guard [of the children]. There are no doubts that those children were not safe, because if they were, one of them wouldn’t have disappeared. Now, saying that “the responsibility of the death belongs to…” We had to understand, to collect data about what happened from there on. The reconstitution is essential. I did not understand, but I accepted the decision from a hierarchical team that I was part of, why the reconstitution was not done right away. The possibility of trying to make a new reconstitution was opened, but the arguidos had already left Portugal. A thing like this is only done with arguidos. The ideal is to have everyone, but even only with the couple, that were arguidos at that point in time, the reconstitution could have been carried out.

    FocusAnd with actors?

    G.A. – No. It would be enough to tell them: ‘You say that you did this and that, then do it, where did you enter, were you having dinner, weren’t you having dinner, what did you order for dinner…? Where did you touch and where didn’t you?’ All of this. It was important for Kate and Gerry McCann to come over, but the Irish witnesses could also come…

    FocusThose who say that they saw Gerry McCann carrying a child, down the street, on the night of the disappearance.

    G.A. – Yes, those who assert that they saw, with a certainty of seventy, eighty percent, Gerald McCann carrying a child, walking in the street, it was already nighttime.

    Focus – You suggest that the little girl was frozen or conserved in the cold. How do you reach that?

    G.A. – There is a bodily fluid, inside a car boot, above an “embaladeira” [n.t.: metallic piece of the car that reinforces the lower part of the doors], from a child that presumably died on the 3rd of May. The car was rented 20 days later and was even new. It had been rented two or three times. Taking into consideration the circumstances of the climate, the temperature, the decomposition of a body… A body, in order to leak a fluid in that manner, a body with more than a month of decomposition had to be preserved.

    FocusDid it have to be close by?

    G.A. – And why?

    Focus It could have been taken to Lisbon, Oporto, Badajoz…

    G.A. – That was what we were taking care of at that time. The body could have been moved, but nobody knows when the body was transported in the car. The car ran several kilometers [around 3000, according to the process]. And given the fact that it is not known when the body was transported, according to the analysis of the fluids, we have to attend to where the car went through. The McCann couple and their relatives. For example, the relatives later state that they transported garbage, a package with meat from the supermarket, but the dogs can tell those things apart very well.

    FocusThere is a contradiction in the valuation of the dogs’ evidence.

    G.A. – What happens is that the Public Ministry devalues it. In Portugal, we are all very skeptical towards this form of collecting indicia.

    FocusYou state that you have not told everything that you know.

    G.A. – And I haven’t.

    FocusWhy?

    G.A. – Because I am a jurist, too. Let’s see how the situation evolves.

    FocusAnd how can the situation evolve?

    G.A. – The things that are missing are important in terms of the investigation, but they are ours… When it is said: these are your convictions… This is the understanding of a work team and even with the English police. And with documents. It’s this kind of thing, for any action that may be coming. I don’t believe, but who knows.

    FocusDoes the English police agree, then, with that “understanding” about what you are saying?

    G.A. – The work with the English police went very well. Then, certainly due to a mere coincidence, when the McCann couple leaves, all the English policemen leave as well…

    FocusYou are convinced that someone made the process reach the hands of the English.

    G.A. – I have that idea. I think that it even fits into that marketing campaign that is saying that the little girl is alive.

    FocusBut don’t you admit you may have doubts if there is a sighting?

    G.A. – How many sightings have there been? Thousands. It’s been a year. I stopped giving them a lot of importance on the day that the dogs confirmed the cadaver odour and the blood.

    FocusBut you did start with the abduction hypothesis.

    G.A. – If you look closely, right in my first document, the process mentions “abduction” followed by two question marks.

    FocusThen, you were thrown out…

    G.A. - … that is a good expression…

    Focus - … because of the reports that mention that you drink whiskey at lunch or because, in your work, you believe that there is a death?

    G.A. – I don’t drink whiskey. I drink beer at lunch time, if they had written that, they would have been right. Before I left, a weekly magazine says: “That person does not last beyond October as the head of the investigation.” This happened a month or two before. And then I was given a speech like that one from the Attorney General: ‘Not all investigations can be successful, or the authors of the crimes are not always discovered…’ What may have hurt many people was my will to discover the material truth. And when I left, I was naturally closer to the truth. Two examples: Apart from our need to know who the friends of the McCann couple were, or if they knew anyone in Portugal, or who drove the car… if they eventually visited another apartment, if they used to meet someone, if they deposited someone… just for us to understand. Towards the end, I was informed that they had visited people at a villa in Praia da Luz. We went to check it out. Then, we were informed that the McCanns had visited an apartment block near the cemetery. And we were working on that, in order to confirm whether it was them or not. This was how we were trying to understand where the body was. And there are many persons who were not investigated, who were not in the process.

    Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

    G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

    FocusAre you going to sue the McCanns?

    G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.

    an interview by João Vasco Almeida and Frederico Duarte Carvalho in: Focus, edition nr 461, 13.08.2008
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    Goedemiddag... Wat nieuwtjes/achtergrondjes van gisteren en vandaag in 't kort:
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    Kate McCann's dagboek is onder de loep genomen door Quintino Aires, chair professor of psychology met als conslusie: "On the basis of all this, I am not surprised to read "I need you to come back" so many times and almost never "how are you feeling?". She seems to be more concerned with herself than with poor Maddie… It's the Kate McCann we had already got to know". De rest op mccannfiles.com

    Dat klopt ook wel, allebei zijn ze voornamelijk op zichzelf gericht, gezien dit quootje uit Gerry's blog, 14/08/2008: 'NO EVIDENCE OF HARM' It is over 3 weeks since we learned that the Portuguese authorities had closed the investigation to find Madeleine...We were surprised that copies of investigation files were given to the media. The content of these files has been extensively reported. "It will be clear to everyone now, that there is absolutely no evidence that suggests Madeleine has been seriously harmed. Knowing this, we strongly believe that Madeleine is out there and can be found.

    Of course whoever is responsible for Madeleine’s abduction must, and can be, found to prevent them from putting another child and family through the misery we have suffered. We have always believed that this heinous crime could be solved with the help of the public."
    Bron

    Ongelofelijk...En als je bedenkt dat het team McCann al maaaaaanden er van overtuigd is de Madeleine in pedofile kringen verkeerd, M dus nog leeft en er geen bewijs is van dat ze "seriously harmed", is...wordt men toch kotsmisselijk van dit narcistische en op geld beluste stel....

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    En deze site gaat alle documenten publiceren uit de vrijgegeven files, nou ja, alles..."It needs to be realised that the Portuguese Public Prosecutor handed over 11,000 out of 30,000 pages of the case file to the press. That means that there are still 19,000 pages which are still covered by the secrecy of justice. Clearly, this means that the press has no more information now than before. Everything in those pages has already been disclosed and published over more than a year now. In these pages, there is nothing new! Nothing that hasn't been talked about already. The important issues of the case are in the remaining 19,000 pages!"

    "Thus over the next few articles, we are going to present the comments from the police, the questioning of the witnesses and suspects, the facts, the places, the times, the dates etc etc. Everything that's in the case file, without adding or taking out the least comma, so that the contents are in one sense or another, wholly transparent, so that you will no longer be manipulated by anyone, and you can form an opinion based on the real details contained in the case file."

    "And to begin with, in every police report, there is a document which the police must have already asked you for on different occasions: your identity card and/or your passport. So, we start with the identity card of the missing victim: Madeleine Beth McCann."




    En verder wederom een commentaar hoe het team McCann het publiek besodemieterd met die sigthings van onlangs terwijl ze de files kennen en weten dat de PJ dit alles heeft gecheckt. "The witness was invited to the UK to meet the McCann parents and Clarence Mitchell. The portrait was published on the parents' web site. A telephone number is even given. However, Clarence Mitchell, the McCann parents and their lawyers all have a copy of the case file. As a consequence, they all know that these people have been identified and questioned! There is the feeling of acting in a great stage play. A bad play." Bron Zie ook uit een eerdere post hoe 'nieuws' wordt doorverkocht ondanks dat men wist dat het Madeleine niet was.

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    En verder vond er op verzoek van de Spaanse politie (Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit) een ontmoeting plaats op 19 october 2007 met Portugese detectives, belast met de zaak Madeleine en een vertegenwoordiger (representative) van Metodo 3. "The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy." Het verdere verhaal is eveneens interessant >>> Hoe Murat en zijn vriendin en anderen door het opzettelijk manipuleren van getuigenissen er in zijn geluisd: Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
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      vrijdag 15 augustus 2008 @ 14:34:50 #166
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Ow noes team McCann maar draaien en wringen om geloofwaardig over te komen, de US lijkt me nog niet zo'n slecht idee, daar hebben ze alleen de CM slur gelezen.
    Goedemiddag trouwens! Voorlopig m'n laatste post dus, voor 2 weken dan.

    Rondje Anorak is ook al zo wazig......
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    Madeleine McCann: Selling Books And Fact As Fiction
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    WHILE the tabloids splash news of Madeleine McCann – our Maddy/ Maddie – on their front pages, spinning the single thread story into a news sensation, the Guardian uses the missing child as a touchstone for arty matters.

    Just recently Madeleine has been in Edinburgh for the performing arts festival, and not. Like last year.

    Today John Morton muses: “Can fiction tell the truth?”

    Can fiction be fact? Anyone care to help Mr Morton before he gives this too much thought?

    Many novelists have sought to dramatise the blurring of real life with drama, but this could obscure as much as it explains.

    But novels are just a list of facts, right? Our man in the know is considering Kate Summerscale’s recent Samuel Johnson prizewinning book The Suspicions of Mr Whicher.

    Summerscale’s book is at least in part an attempt to demonstrate that media frenzy over child abductions is not a new phenomenon (as the book concerns the abduction of a child, the parallels with today are clear - witness the fevered reaction to the disappearance in 2002 of two young girls in Soham, and the near-constant speculation over the fate of Madeline McCann).]

    Can journalists ever blur fiction with fact? Discuss…
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    Hooooooi, Kahaarin, nou ik gleoof dat ze in de US mogelijk best wel op de hoogte zijn van het een en ander, zeker wat neglect betreft (en daar houden ze daar al helemaal niet van!), dat heeft in alle bekende online kranten gestaan zoals CNN. Ook is is een flink aantal posters op fora uit de US, en Ophra Winfrey is op de hoogte van het 3arguido-forum.

    Anyway, op Sky News stond ook dat gebrabbel van Gerry's Blog (waaruit ik vandaag al een quootje plaatste), de commentaren van lezers liegen er niet om. een greepje:
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    If you could just show the police WHERE Madeleine is then that would be really helpful Gerry! Kate has a point about people on BLOGS some can be nasty can't they Gerry? ...Kate really needs to LOOK closer to home for the finale to all this. Tish tish my ole fruit-case! What are you thinking of inviting people to contact you that made statements to the PJ? That really is not on is it! By the way still want to know why is sun cream an offensive smell after only a few days?
    Posted By :Amber

    Very sad that it has come to this.\n\n'Absolutely no evidence his missing daughter Madeleine had been seriously harmed.' \nReally !!\n
    Posted By : Debbie

    C'mon people you know why Gerry is insisting she is still alive - didn't they say they would give the remaining fund money to childrens charities when they were given proof Madeleine was dead.\nThats their money they wont part with it.........\n
    Posted By :Mags

    I can't believe that Gerry is stupid enough to believe that his daughter 'missing' for 15 months has come to no harm. What abot the dogs Gerry? Why wouldnt Kate answer the questions? How did the 'abducter' get out of the appartment? Through a window with leaving no DNA? The windows were not broken or jemmied as you said? I doubt Madeliene has been harmed since leaving the appartment. ... But what happened while she was still inside ???
    Posted By :Chrristine

    Why is the media conspiring in this fantasy that Maddie is unharmed?It's sadly just so implausible.Highly-trained British sniffer dogs indicate otherwise and,even if she was abducted,does anyone seriously believe she is unharmed?
    Posted By :Rachel

    How thick does Gerry think the British public are???\nDoes he not realise that as every day passes by less and less people believe the drivel that comes out his mouth.\nIf Madeleine is found alive - I will eat my hat !
    Posted By: jack

    The Game's almost up. The sooner the british press realise this and stop crawling round the McCanns, the sooner it will be over. The journo to "bring it in to the public domain" will be very rich and very famous.
    Posted By: dunitburger

    If Madeleine can still be found Gerry,why have you and your wife never gone out and looked for her?\nI believe the dogs,they can't lie.
    Posted By: mannie

    The Portuguese police files show no evidence of an abduction, so why are the McCanns still following this line of enquiry.
    Posted By: Amelia

    I am sorry this little girl has not been found, but still alive, I think not.\n\nI think that the abductor had no choice once the circus began.\n\n
    Posted By: DIANE HUTCHINSON

    I find this quite ludicrous - They never looked for their daughter instead they were out jogging and swanning about. Well we just dont believe that Madeleine was abducted as there is absolutely no evidence to support this. On the other hand highly trained dogs are unlikely to be wrong and the DNA findings changed from one day to the next. It is a travesty of justice IMHO
    Posted By: felix
    Ongetwijgeld straks allemaal verwijderd...

    Nogmaals Kahaarin, geniet van je vakantie!

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    En wat is er vandaag te melden, niet echt hot news maar toch wel interessant imo. Nu de 'zoektocht' naar Madeleine met volle kracht wordt voortgezet, en de meest onmogelijke sightings worden gepubliceerd, bedacht ik mij opeens dat elk blond meisje eigenlijk potentieel gevaar loopt. Mensen die een moment of fame zoeken, zelfs lui die mogelijk doelbewust een look-a-like kidnappen en geld eisen, en ook pedo's an sich die kicken op dit soort verhalen en er mogelijk ook aan proberen te verdienen. Maar ook als je gewoon loopt te wandelen met je blonde kind, of met een nanny/familielid, je kan zomaar gekiekt worden en moet je aantonen dat het werkelijk Madeleine niet is. Ook dat meisje uit Molenbeek was daar slachtoffer van, de familie wilde ook absoluut geen publiciteit maar het is verdomd ergerlijk dat je kind ongewild in de krant komt op zo'n grote schaal.

    Ik bedacht me dit toen ik dit verhaal las op mccannfiles.com die een artikel plaatst uit de Daily Mirror:
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    "Another Brit took a picture of a girl at a bull ring in SEVILLE on May 12 and told police: "I doubt that someone who abducted Maddy on the Thursday would be visiting a bull ring on the Saturday so I suspect this photo won't help you but I thought it was better to send it anyway."An air passenger reported a sighting on a jet to the Brazilian capital SAO PAOLO. he previous year a man called police claiming to have seen Maddy at a book fair in RIO DE JANEIRO.

    An eye-witness report by a British diplomat sparked a major incident in GUATEMALA when officials stopped a man in a shopping mall with a little girl. It turned out to be a local child with a bodyguard and despite an apology, her father accused the British Government of plotting to kidnap her. He demanded a formal written apology from the British Embassy."
    In mijn optiek zijn de McCanns schuldig aan een mondiale witch hunt waar mogelijk onschuldige kinderen en natuurlijk de familie slachtoffer van kunnen worden...
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    Ondertussen is het Claudia ook opgevallen (en ook zij plaatst er een aantal van net als ik hierboven) hoe scherp de commentaren zijn die nog steeds geplaatst mogen worden én blijven staan op Sky News nav het artikel dat "Gerry McCann states that according to him there is absolutely no evidence is the files that Madeleine has been hurt in any way."
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    En verder een terug in de tijd-artikel uit The Mirror waarin Kate McCann zegt: "(...)"I never thought for one second that she'd walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left. But I knew she wouldn't walk out anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken.' Kate says she saw that Madeleine's toy Cuddle Cat had been left behind, but was careful not to touch it in case it held a clue to who took her. She says: "I knew straight away a crime had been committed, we had no doubt about that. We were very conscious of not touching things." (...)"

    Dat schreef ik al eerder, als dokters weten ze donders goed dat een crimescène intact moet worden gelaten, iets wat ze dus NIET hebben gedaan. Na 40 min werd pas de politie gebeld, in die tijd zijn meubels in de woonkamer verschoven (zoals die sofa), zijn bloedsporen gevonden (Maddie’s parents accused of changing the disposition of the furniture and of washing the sofa) en is zowat half Praia da Luz in het apartement geweest....Bron en nog meer interessant nieuws van weleer op die site: Mr Woofall “heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched”

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    Wat ik al schreef hierboven, men is niet meer veilig als je wandelt met een blond meisje, zelfs niet met een blond jongetje:
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    Maddie Madness: Son of Croatian Football Player almost Kidnapped by English Tourists
    Son of Croatian football player was confounded with Maddie

    The madness about Madeleine McCann this time involved Dino Drpic, defense football player of the Dynamo of Zagreb The son of the defender of the Dynamo of Zagreb, Dino Drpic, was confused with the British girl Madeleine (Maddie) McCann by a few English tourists, who wanted to take him from his mother.

    The madness about Maddie, kidnapped on May 3, 2007, continued this weekend in Croatia, when a few English tourists thought that they had sighted her in the island of Krk. Only that the "girl" was a boy, concretely the two-year-old son of Dino and Nives Drpic, informed today the Crotian Press.

    A British girl, after seeing the fair-haired Leone Drpic, thought that it was Maddie and told her parents who also believed it was her. After taking some photos at a distance, they approached the child and tried to take Leone with them. Nives was close, but she did not realize the problem until the English woman put her arms around her son and tried to snatch him. Nives is used that the people in Croatia look at her and at her son and take photos wherever they go.

    "I became suspicious when the English woman approached Leone and started chatting with him", told Nives. "In a moment she caught him by the arm, seemingly believing that nobody was watching him. Nevertheless, when I came running to the scene she realized her mistake and apologized."

    Maddie disappeared one year and a half ago in the locality of Praia da Luz, in the Portuguese Algarve, and since then a series of reports spread about her sighting in several places around the world, but it was always a false alarm. by Joana Morais
    Team McCann, if a child is hurt by your irresponsible obsessive actions to find Madeleine all over the world, then it is your responsibility, so stop this right now! Go to Portugal, all of you, and answer some questions, you may find out what ever happend to Madeleine...
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    Ah, PM Gordon Brown heeft niet alleen veel gebeld met de McCanns, hij is zelfs naar het politiebureau in Leicester geweest, het corps wat heeft 'samengewerkt' met de Portugezen.
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    Gordon Brown in Leicester, on September 12, 2007
    Wednesday 12 September 2007: PM visits Leicester police station
    Gordon Brown has visited a police station in Leicester to see first hand how the police are tackling crime. Accompanied by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the PM travelled to the Beaumont Leys police station in the north west of the city. During a tour of the station Mr Brown discussed neighbourhood policing and engagement with local residents and police officers. Following the visit the PM and the Home Secretary attended a Citizens Jury on the subject of crime at the Walkers. Paulo Reis
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    En verder een gezellig artikel in The People, over journo Duarte Levi die foto's heeft aangeboden aan dat blad, leest u mee...
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    Vile fantasist ties (sic) to sell 'dynamite' Madeleine McCann pics The People

    'Photos of couple are a bombshell...I will sell for highest offer'
    Exclusive by James Millbank 17 August 2008
    Maddie McCann's parents are "devastated and furious" over a cruel bid to cash in on their anguish.

    Grasping Duarte Levy demanded £50,000 for photographs he claims implicate Kate and Gerry in their daughter's disappearance. The 23-stone Frenchman said the "dynamite" pictures showed Kate had changed clothes suspiciously the night Maddie vanished.

    Despicable Levy also made the ludicrous claim that the 24 photos he was peddling cast doubt on what Gerry and one of the couple's Tapas 7 pals told Portuguese police. Levy, who said he had close links to the cops, bragged outrageously: "These photos are a bombshell and will force the Maddie case to be re-opened."

    The People refused his offers to sell the pictures - and told the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of Levy's preposterous claims. Mr Mitchell branded Levy "a con man and fantastist".

    He said: "Kate and Gerry are angry and upset that he is seeking to make money out of Madeleine - it is a disgrace. "They are no longer suspects and he should not be trying to tarnish their reputation. We thank The People for exposing this man."

    A People investigator met Levy in a Brussels hotel last week. Levy said: "I will sell the photos to the highest bidder. I got hold of them through my contacts." Levy - who is in his 40s and claims to have homes in Spain, Belgium and London - said he had sold pictures and stories about Maddie for tens of thousands of pounds.

    He said his new photos showed doctors Kate and Gerry, both 40, dining with their friends in Praia da Luz the night Maddie, then three, disappeared 15 months ago. Levy claimed that Kate and one of the Tapas 7 changed their clothes.

    He also alleged: "The photos were taken between about 8.10pm and 10.15pm and they show that the time lines made by Gerry McCann and another Tapas 7 friend are wrong. They are dynamite." Levy cruelly scorned Kate and Gerry's belief that Maddie is still alive. He said: "I believe she died in that room during an accident and then her body was moved to a flat in the town where it was kept in a freezer."

    The claim is categorically denied by the McCanns and police produced no evidence to support the theory. Levy said the pictures were taken by a Spanish tourist whose camera was later stolen. He claimed a police source tipped him off after officers found the camera, which he then bought legally.

    Levy also tried to convince The People that a well-known British legal firm offered him 600,000 euros (£512,800) for the photographs. Bizarrely, he said he refused because the lawyers would not agree to his demand that the police should have copies of the pictures.

    He also offered The People recordings he claimed to have of the McCanns' financial backer, double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, in a private meeting with Portuguese police. Mr Mitchell last night said he did not know if Kate changed her clothes and added: "If she did, so what?" He said: "It is no big deal that Mr Kennedy met the police.

    "He is interested in all - aspects of the investigation. He is a very hands-on person." A friend of the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, said last night: "They have nothing to hide. It appears the Portuguese police are using Levy to leak negative material."
    Wat Levi eerder publiceerde heb ik hier gepost, mogelijk geeft hij nog antwoord op deze beschuldiging om vet te cashen, hij zou toch moeten weten dat zoiets uitkomt, de McCanns grijpen alles aan om iemand onderuit te halen, dus ik heb mijn twijfels. Want waarom zo'n lang artikel, toch een beetje bang...? En verder zijn de McCanns weer eens furieus over het boek van Amaral: Fury as Madeleine McCann cop brings sick book to UK The People Als het boek in de UK uitkomt, nou Amaral, pas maar op: "But the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell fired a warning to Mr Amaral last night, saying: "If he seeks to publish in Britain, he and his publisher will face legal action without a shadow of a doubt." Amaral kijkt er naar uit iig: "Mr Amaral said he would RELISH a court battle with the couple to clear HIS name." Persoonlijk denk ik niet dat de McCanns hem gaan aanklagen want dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er wel en niet waar is.... heerlijk. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

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    Dacht ik al, op het hierboven geplaatste artikel uit The People over het cashen van Duarte Levi is al snel een antwoord gekomen van de journo zelf, in de vertaling hier gelezen, z'n eigen Franse site is hier, hij heeft alleen in Brussel gesproken met een aantal Britse journo's zoals die onderaan dit artkel is staan vermeld, hij zelf heeft dus helemaal geen foto's in zijn bezit, Gosh, those British journo's, what a load of rubbish:
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    Sunday, 17 August 2008 The People: Duarte Levy's response about those photos.

    Clarification concerning the article in the Sunday newspaper, The People, August 17th 2008.

    The information concerning me, published today in The People newspaper, is false. Between August 9th and August 15th, I was contacted by and met with several British journalists (*) at their request, about a witness who claimed to have seen Madeleine McCann in Brussels, and about the article published by me and Paulo Reis about the existence of 24 photos, taken on the the night of May 3rd by tourists who were at the Tapas Bar.

    These colleagues asked me for help, because, besides the fact that they don't speak French, they didn't know Brussels, didn't know where or to whom to direct themselves to investigate the case of the witness claiming to have seen Madeleine.

    As is the rule between professional colleagues, I met with these journalists and I helped them as much as I could. As is obvious, we spoke about the Madeleine McCann case, on the information published recently on my blog and on my colleague Paulo Reis' blog. We exchanged impressions and comments. I will not repeat the comments from my English colleagues, because private conversations are private conversations - at least for principled people.

    So that it is clear, I do not have in my possession, anything which is of interest to the authorities or which might concern the investigation of a crime.

    Duarte Levy

    (*) – Nick Fagge & Jonathan Buckmaster - Daily Express / Lucy Hagan - The Sun / Julie (?) Daily Mail / Emily Miller - The Mirror / James Millbank - The People (14 and 15 August)
    Again, British journo's, go search for some real news in the UK, find some background-stories about The Paynes, The Websters, The Oldfields, Brian Kennedy, the board-members of the Madeleine-fund, why are they all supports the McCanns, anything to hide....may be???? What is so secret about Madeleine and her parents???? They won't talk for more than a year, because of this Portugese secrecy-laws, that is now lifted, let them speak up, tell us what they know, come on then! Do your job or shut up.

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    We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

    KM = Kate McCann, GM = Gerry McCann, CM = Clarence Mitchell, Mrs Healy = Kate's moeder, John McCann = Gerry's broer, DP = David Payne (Tapasvriend), JT = Jane Tanner (Tapasvriendin), vetgedrukt zijn de bijgevoegde commentaren van de poster:
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    Certainly worthy of reflection
    GM, "We have been advised our behaviour was legally well within the bounds of responsible parenting and have been assured no action will be taken." Really? And who told you that? Britney?

    CM, "Kate and Gerry are realistic enough to know that Madeleine may be dead and it would be a tragedy that she is found as such, because it rules out the hope that she is alive... But any widening of the search area is encouraging and we would welcome that. If she is dead then she is dead, but not by their hand." http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)trawl-reservoir.html Ok, then. Phew, what a relief.

    CM, "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material that the police may or may not have found." Good to know. But nobody would ever think otherwise.

    KM "believes she is being persecuted because of her appearance," her mother revealed today. In an extraordinary interview, Susan Healy described how her distraught daughter claimed "if she was heavier” and had bigger breasts”people would be more sympathetic." Yep, that's it. It has got nothing to do with the parenting choices done that week. It's the tits.

    The McCanns were said to be "emotionally torn" to learn that Portugal's biggest ever anti-paedophile operation has failed to turn up a single lead in the hunt for their four-year-old daughter, who went missing during a family holiday on May 3. http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)leine's-parents.html What?

    GM just days after Madeleine's disappearance, "Kate and I have to concentrate on our own well being." I never doubted you would.

    KM, "I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances." Of course not. There is absolulety no connection at all between Madeline being left alone and being missing. Was there any moron who would think such a thing?

    KM, "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us." Of course not. If it is well within the bounds of responsible parenting how can it be a crime. In fact, I think it is one of the most popular and well accepted suggestions on all parenting books: "Do not spend too much time with your toddlers. You need your 'me' time and they need theirs. Meals, especially, should be made separetely. You don't want to raise co-dependent children, do you?".

    GM, "I know 100 per cent Kate could NOT have done anything. I know that's true from what I did that night...and in terms of what Kate knows about me, I was away from her for just ten minutes." That's very important. relationships without trust do not work.

    GM, "Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand. An act of madness, an accident or sudden impulse can lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended." Couldn't agree more.

    GM, "It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion." http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article10632.ece Oh God, how can this possible? Oh cruel, ungrateful world. It's disaster after disaster. My heart weeps.

    KM, "It was our holiday too, you know." Yeah, we know. We all know. Sadly.

    KM, "We were just so into each other." Good to know. Friends are very important.

    GM, "The situation that Madeleine finds herself in" Kids... Always messing up.

    GM, "We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing... It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that." Big plans, uh?

    KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. Whoosh clunk????

    GM, in Vanity Fair, The iris is "Madeleine's only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or" - he grimaces - "her abductor might do something to her eye... but in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy." And that's what really matters, isn't it? Ok, she could be hurt... But let's not be pessimistic. Such a good marketing ploy can't be ignored just like that.

    CM, "We have not cooperated in any shape or form." We all know that.

    CM, "An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more." Oh, you naughty boy. I wonder if Mr Murat has spoken to his lawyer.

    CM, "I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media." Yes, we all know that...

    Gonçalo Amaral "This is very weird for an abduction". Upon hearing Gonçalo Amaral, a young inspector asked him, "Chief, do you believe Kate is responsible for the death of her daughter?" The answer couldn't be more direct, "I'm still not sure, but I wouldn't like her to be my mother." Me neither. Yikes!

    GM, "we are hoping for the best possible outcome for us.... and Madeleine." Madeleine? That name sounds familiar. Who is she anyway?

    KM, "At worst we were naive." Fan of euphemisms, uh?

    John McCann, "Even if she has been damaged, I believe she is still recoverable." Good to know. Sounds quite simple.

    GM, If the worst happened...at least she will be in a better place." I agree.

    KM: " Our life is not as happy without Madeleine." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/25/ukcrime.madeleinemccann I'm so sad to hear that. My heart weeps once again.

    "Kate feels after all she's been through she feels she has a lot to offer child organisations." Kids, runnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

    Mrs Healy of KM: "One of her main goals in life is to work with children and assist with child safety." Don't stop. Keep runninggggggg!

    DP: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business." Ok, sorry. We'll stop being nosey. You don't have to be rude.

    JT: "I saw a man carrying a child in their pyjamas and I thought to myself - well he's not a very good parent - as it was a cold night." I certainly agree. What an irresponsible bastard. Bundleman should have his kid taken away by the Social Services. We all know that if the night is cold the responsible thing to do is go out and leave the kids at home. Alone. In an insecure apartment. In a foreign country. Babysitting for the 2 year old twins. Bundleman, hang your head in shame, you creep.

    KM, "It was really just like being in your back garden." We know, hun. We all do it. No need to recriminate yourself more. Nothing more, nothing less than well withing the bounds of responsible parenting.

    GM, "It could have been worse, we could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare." I agree. You were very lucky. Margaret, of course, wan't. But you were. It's not Margaret, is it? I'm pretty sure it's an M name.

    CM "...it is true that we have requested a meeting with the prime minister to show him the strength of our case, to explain Kate and Gerry's innocence and yet all we've been offered is a medium-level-consular meeting, which we rejected." http://www.mccannfiles.com/id63.html Way to go, CM. Show that idiotic, arrogant prime minister his place. Who the hell does he think he is? Does he know who he's talking to? You're in big trouble, mister.

    CM, "They don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'. That is what the tabloids would like but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/11/madeleinemccann.itv Yep, we all know that either.

    Susan Healy, "Well I have to say that I'm surprised that Kate and Gerry left their children at all and I've thought about it a lot because they're such caring parents and I think - why?" We all still do, Mrs Healy. We all still do.

    A great video:
    Het volgende quootje uit bovenstaande post staat op een filmpje welke is geknipt uit de BBC-docu: KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. > "A small window of opportunity" Ook dit blijft mij verbazen...

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    En verder schreven Gerry en Kate McCann de gebeurtenissen (lees: tijdslijn van de checks) van die avond op, enkele uren na de vermissing, op de covers van kinderboeken die hun kinderen vaak inkeken...De PJ meent: "The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner."

    To get their stories straight??? IMO. op de site van Joana Morais
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    Maddie’s book torn by the parents - Correio da Manhã

    Process: PJ apprehended document that was written by the group

    Hours after the disappearance of the little English girl, the McCanns used the covers of children’s story books that belonged to their daughter, to write down details of the evening.


    Hours after Madeleine disappeared, the English girl’s parents tore the covers of two children’s books that the child enjoyed leafing through before going to sleep, to write down the details of the evening of the disappearance.

    There, according to what can be verified by the pages that have been appended to the process, Madeleine’s parents noted the periodicity of the visits to the rooms where the various children slept and who within the group of English people had verified that nothing out of the ordinary was taking place.

    The PJ appended those documents to the process on September 9 of last year, then referring that the same had been apprehended by the GNR on the night that the girl stopped being seen.

    The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner. That was the motive why those pieces of evidence were gathered only after Gerry and Kate were made arguidos, at a time when they had already formally assumed that they were suspects.

    To the authorities, it was then an important detail at that moment in the investigation, because it revealed the little girl’s parent’s concern in protecting themselves from possible responsibilities, overshadowing the preservation of objects that belonged to the child at a moment in time when she had only been missing for a few hours. Which led the authorities to admit that there could have been a manipulation of testimonies. source: Correio da Manhã 18.08.2008, paper edition by astro.
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    Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 12:06 schreef Suko het volgende:
    We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

    Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

    Interessante handtekening heb je trouwens.
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    Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 22:26 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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    Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

    Interessante handtekening heb je trouwens.
    Ah leuk dat je nog steeds meeleest Yyventle, soms denk ik dat Kahaarin (nu op vakantie) de enige nog zijn.maar gezien de pageviews lezen er nog steeds een aantal dit topic. Het blijft fascinerend want eigenlijk is dit volgens mij en velen all over the world de grootste coverup van deze tijd, de dood van een kind en een frauduleus fonds, door ouders, vrienden, geldschieters en mensen van de Britse overheid > inclusief de baas. En dit alles met medewerking van de Britse pers. Het is bijna niet te bevatten. Het zou kunnen dat er belangen op het spel staan, reputaties in tact houden, wát is er zo erg dat verborgen moet blijven en waarom kregen de Portugezen geen toegang tot belangrijke documenten en wat ze wisten mocht niet gebruikt worden. Met vrijwel niets moesten ze met bewijzen komen die de ouders als schuldigen moest aanwijzen. Het enige wat er uit is gekomen dat ze dat niet kunnen bewijzen, er staat nergens dat ze onschuldig zijn. Ook ontvoering is niet bewezen.

    Ik zou alleen nog iets plaatsen als er echt nieuws was, zo nieuw dat de PJ de zaak kan heropenen, iets wat tot 2022 mogelijk is... Maar ik heb als argument om te blijven posten door wat er nu naar buiten komt, via Amaral, Portugees en de eerste 5 maanden leider van het politie-onderzoek én schrijver van het boek "The Truth of the Lie". Alleen Portugese kranten citeren hieruit inclusief wat materiaal uit het eindrapport die vooralsnog alleen de media nog kan inzien, het publiek dus over een paar weken. Het is belastend genoeg en ik vind het van belang dat het internet genoeg tegenwicht moet kirjgen naast de b*ll die de Britten menen te moeten publiceren. Beetje treiteren ook, aangezien het team McCann alle blogs en fora in de gaten houdt...naast erg, ergens toch ook weer heerlijk toch?!

    Voorbeeldje hoe de Britse politie die verhoren in april van dit jaar heeft gehouden, in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

    That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron

    Je gelooft je ogen niet als je dit leest, als je bedenkt dat men wilde zien of er verschil zou zijn met hun eerdere verklaringen.... Nogal logisch dat ook het tweede verhoor in de UK exact hetzelfde was als in Portugal. Anyway, ik heb al hier en daar gelezen dat het misschien een reden heeft dat Amaral, nu buiten dienst, naar buiten komt met een boek die feiten bevat en er komt mogelijk een vervolg. Toch wel tamelijk beschamend voor de UK en het team McCann is nerveus, als je ziet hoe men reageert nu er mogelijk foto's zijn, in de Tapasbar, op 3 mei, op die avond. Wij wachten af.

    Toetje: een heel kort filmpje van PM Gordon Brown en J. Smith van BZ, die de Leicester Politie (in het district waar de McCanns wonen) met een bezoekje vereerden, op 12 sept 2007. Op 9 september, dus vlak daarvoor, keerden de McCanns terug naar de UK, 48 uur eerder werden ze tot formeel verdachten verklaard. Welnee, niks toevallig, daar komen dagelijks belangrijke mensen vanuit Londen naar toe....

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    [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 18-08-2008 23:53:41 ]
      dinsdag 19 augustus 2008 @ 00:21:09 #175
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    Wij wachten af, zoals je net schreef. Ik ben het net als anderen niet vergeten en hoop nog steeds op een oplossing. Dank voor jouw en Kahaarin's volharding om ons op de hoogte te houden.
    Here we are now, entertain us.
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    Hoi Voyeur, long time no read! Wel ja, het wordt eigenlijk nu pas interessant, beerput-artikelen te over, uit Amaral's boek en uit het eindrapport. De UK en een aantal inwoners komen er niet best af....to put it mildly. Gaan we weer. Een stukje uit de artikelen die volgen uit het eindrapport op deze site. Niet alles is direct interessant maar wel dit, een foto van Madeleine McCann, gegeven door haar ouders destijds aan de politie ter identificatie, hoe Madeleine er toen uitzag. Nonsens natuurlijk zoals ook deze blogger schrijft:
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    "Blogger's note: this seems like an odd photo of Madeleine for the McCanns to give the police on the evening of her disappearance. The child in this photo looks nothing like the one in the, "last photo," which was produced for the police 23 days later, the one of Madeleine with Gerry and Amelie by the swimming pool. I seriously doubt that Madeleine could have been identified from that photo."


    Dé laatste foto van Madeleine bij het zwembad, 23 dagen later aan de politie gegeven.


    En deze kiek zelf opgezocht, zoals die later massaal werd getoond.
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    Kate's strange attitudes Correio da Manhã

    Suspected
    - PJ admitted that the children had been drugged

    19 August 2008 - 00h30 Thanks to 'ines' for translation

    A strange attitude by Kate, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance was pointed out by Fiona Payne, one of the members of the British group on holiday in Praia da Luz.

    Fiona Payne's witness statement says that Maddie's mother, during the first hours marked by despair and by a feeling close to frustration, several times approached the twins, holding her fingers close to their noses.

    Sean and Amélie were asleep at this time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that that her youngest children were alive, checking if they were breathing.

    This behaviour, linked to the fact that Maddie's grandparents confirmed that the children took a sleeping solution to help them go to sleep - a common medication in the UK and often given to children - raised doubts amongst the investigators. But the fact was never taken further, in spite of of one of the theses defended by the first team responsible for the investigation that the disappearance was linked to an accident, which could have been directly linked to the medication given to the children.

    Another fact confused the investigators. Kate and Gerry always said that Maddie, Sean and Amélie fell asleep at 19.30/20.00, which was the reason for their being capable of leaving them alone when they went to dine in the restaurant situated 100 metres away, from where they had no view of the apartments.

    The version changed later whn Gerry was interrogated, as an arguido.

    At that moment, the father told that Maddie had difficulties in falling asleep and that they had instigated a points system in order to tackle this. The girl would be rewarded when she managed to achieve certain targets.

    TESTS WERE NOT POSITIVE

    Months after Maddie's disappearance and at the time Kate already felt that the investigation was turning against her, she suggested to the PJ that the twins should be subjected to tests, to see whether they had been drugged on the night of the disappearance.

    The request was perceived as a strategy to confuse the investigation, given that the couple were both doctors, who would know that, at that moment it was no longer possible to detect any trace of substances that could have been ingested by the children. In the process it was verified that this thesis was never judged to be credible.

    PRESS

    'THE PEOPLE'

    The parents of Maddie are "devastated and angry" with the news that a French national wants to sell photos taken at the Ocean Club and which can blame Kate and Gerry in the disappearance of her daughter.

    'BELFAST TELEGRAPH'

    The newspaper reports that Gerry continues to believe that his daughter will be found alive and asks that anyone who has information about Maddie to contact the private detectives. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
    Ik weet wel dat de McCanns zelf maaaaanden later de kids hebben getest middels een privélab, niets gevonden natuurlijk. Opmerkelijk is ook dat Gerry McCann het altijd belachelijk heeft gevonden dat er werd gesuggereerd dat de kids iets kregen om te slapen. De blogs en fora stonden er vol van nav kranten-artiklelen. Later in augustus vertelde Gerry Mccann in de BBC-docu dat de twins mogelijk iets van sedatie van de ontvoerder moet hebben gekregen omdat de kids overal doorheen sliepen.... En dan schreef Gerry McCann op z'n blog dd 26/05/2007: "Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!" Ja, dat hebben we gezien Gerry, en waarom maak je dat nou wereldkundig...Overigens hebben de McCanns vanaf het begin geweigerd haar van de twins af te staan voor onderzoek en was het inderdaad veel later (en dus te laat) ook niet meer nodig volgens de PJ toen de Mccanns het zelf aanboden.
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    En dan nog even over die krabbels van de McCanns op de kaften van die kinderboeken, iets wat ik eerder heb gepost.
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    Two contradictory lists and a torn children's book, 18 August 2008

    Excerpt from 'The Truth of the Lie' by Gonçalo Amaral (pages 136/137)
    18 August 2008 Thanks to 'lisbonirish' for translation

    The first investigator who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised was informed of the existence of a plan for checking on the children while the parents dined one hundred metres away. At the time, Russell O'Brien handed over two lists handwritten on the inside cover of a children's book, a sticker activity book for children more than 3 years of age. We believe the book was Madeleine's and we do not understand why they tore off the cover of the child's book. A child had just gone missing and all its belongings should be precious to those who loved her. Was there really no other paper around? Not even a simple napkin? The question hangs in the air and the response is yet another contradiction. The lists contained the possible record of the checks in the apartment." Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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    Nog even over die vermeende foto's (genomen op 3 mei 2007 in de Tapasbar waarop Gerry, Kate en de rest te zien zou zijn) die Duarte Levy in z'n bezit zou hebben en te koop zou hebben aangeboden, volgens het blad The People, niet waar, ligt iets anders, zie eerdere post. Het volgende artikel in 24 Horas, gelezen op websleuths.com:
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    What Levy says to 24horas:
    - The 24 pics exist
    - He has already seen some of them
    - The pics were taken by a tourist on vacations with his wife and another couple
    - The pics were made between 20h10 and 22h15 at Tapas Bar
    - The pics show in the background the MCs and the British friends on vacation with them
    - In one of the images would be possible to see that Kate McCann changed clothes during dinner time
    (24horas recalls that: the group’s version of events stated that K just left the table around 22h00 when she went to the apt and noticed Maddie’s disappearance; that when G was made arguido he stated not to have taken a camera and not to remember if anyone else did and also that he did not remember what K was wearing that day)
    - The owner of the pics would have had already contacts with British newspapers in order to sell the publishing rights. However he puts a condition to it: the pics must be shown to the Portuguese police.
    - The tourist has sent the pics to the British centre of protection of children that cooperated with the Portuguese authorities in collecting information on the case
    - After the tourist made that contact an important law firm from the UK got in touch with him and offered 600,000euros for all of the pictures - “The lawyers wanted him not to talk about the content of the pics and not to send them to Portugal, for that reason the deal was not done”

    (24horas recalls that during the process the investigators insistently tried to find images that portrayed the events of the 3rd of may. They were not successful)

    On the small box above the piece can be read: “The British magazine The People has accused Duarte Levy of trying to sell them the pictures taken on the night Maddie disappeared for 50k, around 600,000euros and assuring them he had refused the deal and they warned the couple MC. In a statement to 24horas, Levy denies: “I’m not the owner of the pictures; I only helped several journalists that contacted me in Brussels”. In a statement to the magazine, CM, MC’s spokesperson, claimed that K and G “are angry and upset” and reminded that “they are no longer suspects”. Nevertheless he admits not knowing if K changed her clothes that night. “What if she did?”, asks Mitchell quoted by The People.”
    http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2922&link=14
    Copied from: http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21706&start=705 (vimark)
    Interessant, als het klopt allemaal. Waarom zou Kate Mccann tijdens het eten zich moeten verkleden, Gerry kon zich niet kan herinneren wat Kate die avond aan had.

    In een commentaar op dit forum schrijft Tony Bennett over dat advocatenkantoor die zo graag die foto's wil hebben/kopen: "If this turns out to be Bates, Wells and Braithwaite, the McCanns' London Solicitors, this would indeed be a bombshell and Bates, Wells and Braithwaite could find themselves disciplined by the Solicitors Regulation Authority and/or the Legal Complaints Service - TB"



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    Nog een stukje uit een artikel van 24 Horas, gelezen op websleuths.com:
    quote:
    "From a reading of legal documents, to which 24Horas has access, it is evident that Jane Tanner was never in the street where she claimed to have seen Maddie’s alleged abductor. Employees of the Tapas Bar stated that she did not leave the restaurant between 19h30 and 22h30--when the disappearance occurred--and Gerry, nor his friend, who were on this same street, remember having seen the Briton [Jane] and much less the abductor. It was some two months after the disappearance when Tanner remembered to tell the authorities what the abductor was wearing and also helped in creating the photo-fit."
    En verder:
    quote:
    "On the 5th of August, things started to get complicated for the McCanns. In accordance with e notice put out by 24Horas, on the evening of, authorities had begun searching with the British dogs. The investigations began in Murat’s house, at the point, the only arguido. Nothing incriminating was found. But on the 6th of August the floodgates opened. Searches made in the Ocean Club apartment complex rented by the McCanns, the dogs detected cadaver odour and blood smells. Our headline that morning read “British dogs detect death in Maddie’s room.” Later came the detection of blood and cadaver odour in the McCann rental car. Refer to the fact that, according to the British specialists, the dogs can only lead to clues regarding dead human brings. The McCanns opted, at the time, for silence.
    Well well, Jane Tanner heeft die avond tussen 19h30 and 22h30 de Tapasbar niet eens verlaten...en dus geen Gerry pratend met Jeremy Wilkens gezien en geen man met kind in z'n armen die ze in eerste instantie als Robert Murat herkende en naderhand Bundleman. The dirt is coming out....

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    Nog even over die foto's (zie eerdere post) welke zijn genomen in de Tapasbar op 3 mei 2007 door een Brits toerist en gezien door journo Duarte Levy, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais
    quote:
    Mysterious photos interest the PJ - 24Horas
    Judiciária “attentive” towards new evidence in the Maddie case

    Police investigates the possible existence of new photos from the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared

    The Judiciária is analyzing the case of the supposed existence of photographs that were taken by a tourist inside the Tapas Bar restaurant on the day that Madeleine disappeared, a source at the PJ stated to 24Horas.

    “Despite the archiving of the judicial process, we remain attentive to any fact or any piece of evidence that allows for us to clarify the circumstances under which the child disappeared”, the same source referred. If the facts justify it, the process may even be reopened.

    Yesterday, 24Horas published statements from French journalist and blogger Duarte Lévy, in which he says that he saw some of the 24 photos that a tourist says he took inside the Tapas Bar between 8.10 and 10.15 p.m. on the 3rd of May.

    At that time, the McCann couple dined with the group of seven British tourists that accompanied them in their Algarvian holidays, until the moment, at around 10 p.m., when Kate got up from the table. She would return shortly afterwards, saying that Maddie had disappeared.

    Easily identifiable

    According to Duarte Levy, the images “are not coincidental” with the report that was made by the English to the PJ, about what happened that evening. According to the journalist, the photographs were taken by a tourist who was having dinner at the Tapas Bar, in the company of his wife and another couple.

    Based on this description, the PJ should not have any difficulties in reaching the owner of the photos, given that at a certain point in the process the reservation list of the restaurant was apprehended.

    24Horas has been able to establish that on the 3rd of May, apart from the McCann group – that had booked a table for 8.30 p.m. and where 9 persons were seated – there were only three other tables that were occupied by four persons, identified by their surnames: Edmonds, Buller and Patell. All of them were already inside the Tapas Bar when Kate and Gerry McCann arrived there, only a few minutes after the scheduled hour.source: 24Horas, August 20, 2008 by astro.
    Wat Gerry en Kate McCann zelf verklaren in die BBC-docu, transscript: "GERRY: We ate in the open air bit of the tapas and when we went in there was I think one or two other couples. KATE: And then it was just us, you know, and it wasn't late, you know, it was half eight we were there. GERRY: One couple we played tennis with and we chatted to them, and then some of the friends started arriving and they left shortly after that. And I think at that point we might have been the only table."

    Yep, er zou een reserveringslijst moet zijn van alle gasten, makkelijk te checken. Als het klopt natuurlijk, waarom zijn die foto's niet in het bezit van de PJ vraag je je dan af, ik heb hier een zeer gereserveerde houding over. Iemand (bron) schrijft verder over het verwisselen van kleren door Kate die avond, wat op die foto's te zien zou moeten ziijn: "Let's ask Clarence where he thinks Kate changed her clothes - in her apartment or in someone else's apartment? That would open up another kettle of fish! Because if her original story is true and she hadn't checked on Madeleine before she discovered her missing, then where did the clothes come from?"

    Oeps...
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    Er mag gelachen worden...want wat schrijft The Mirror vandaag, wat snippers: "Margaret yesterday told the Mirror she saw the prowler hiding in the dark as she left through the back entrance after baby-sitting at apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, the year before Maddy was taken from the appartment." Despite telling police, British nanny Margaret Hall was not asked to help with an artist's impression. Now, thanks to the Daily Mirror, a sketch of his face can be seen for the first time."

    Krijg nou wat, een jaar geleden??? Toch eens aan wat kennissen vragen of er iemand de laatste jaren in de Algarve een scruffy, long-haired stranger hebben zien rondsluipen.

    En verder ook nog: "She was back in the UK when she heard of Maddy's disappearance in May last year - and a chill ran down her spine when she realised the little girl had been taken from the apartment where she had worked. Her mind immediately pictured the scruffy, long-haired stranget. She told police in her home town of Bolton and was interviewed but no photofit was ever issued.

    Margaret later saw the sketch of a man carrying a young girl in pyjamas and instinctively she thought to herself: "That's him." It had been made from details given by Jane Tanner, a pal of Gerry and Kate McCann. Margaret added: "My description of the man is very similar to that of Jane Tanner's."

    Welke beschrijving van Jane Tanner zou ze nou bedoelen? De nieuwe e-fit maar toegevoegd, nummertje 4 dus, ja sprekend hoor...



    And a chill ran down her spine? In Januari zei Cail Cooper ook al zoiets, ""Mrs Cooper, from Newark, Notts, said: "He made my blood run cold." The Mirror

    Maar goed, toch wel jammer voor onze Margaret Hall (toch niet deze Leicester copper he!, uit het district waar de McCanns wonen), net nu 24 Horas gisteren meldde dat Jane Tanner die avond de Tabasbar niet heeft verlaten...of werd dit artikel juist daarom geplaatst....

    Maar het leukst van al is wel dat dit verhaal al eerder was te lezen in de Daily Mail: Madeleine: Nanny 'caught stranger hiding outside apartment before she disappeared' 30 oktober 2007 U kunt mij thans opvegen....

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    Op Websleuths is een hoofdstuk gepost uit het boek (The Truth of The Lie) van Amaral, voormalig leider van het Portugese politieonderzoek:
    quote:
    Chapter 11 - Analysing a crime scene. Apartment 5A.

    - routine meetings between the investigators include the presence and the participation of English colleagues from Leicestershire, as well as José Freitas, a senior official from Scotland Yard, who is a British citizen, a descendant of Portuguese immigrants from Madeira.
    - this particular meeting is dedicated to analyse the photographic report that was made inside apartment 5A on the evening of the facts.
    - the first thing that jumps out is the ‘tidiness’ of the bedroom where Madeleine and her twin siblings were supposedly asleep. no signs of an abductor in the access to the bedroom window.



    - windowsill is 91 cms above the floor, a bed is placed against the wall, with signs of someone who slept in it. a wicker chair stands against the far wall. no markings of shoes on the chair, or on the bed.
    - conclusion: the window was not used for anything, or there were 2 abductors, one on the inside and one on the outside.
    - bedroom window is protected by a shutter on the outside. on the inside, an opaque curtain that reaches until the top of the windowsill, and two side curtains, that reach until the floor, with embraces. all the curtains are pulled towards the window centre, not covering it entirely.



    - the embrace on the right hand side lies on the floor, between the bed’s feet and the wicker chair, which is pushed against the curtain on the right. the embrace on the left side is hanging from the wall bracket, the left curtain is ruffled, making it look like someone pulled it close in a hurry.
    - none of the curtain’s embraces is in its normal position, suspended on the wall.



    - Kate says that when M was noticed missing, the curtains were completely closed, i.e. they would have been closed by the parents and the eventual abductor would have positioned them in that manner, in order to facilitate his passage through the window.
    - the embraces could only have landed in the position in which they were found, when the curtains were pulled shut. other possibility: the curtains were open and were taken out of that position after the disappearance. an abductor would not have wasted time with that; this action is more coincident with an intentional change of a crime scene.
    - other indicia pointing towards the change of the crime scene would surface.



    - the bed sheets and the position of the soft toy raised suspicions. bed looks like nobody slept there, soft toy is position symmetrically to the pillow, pink blanket is almost folded. father confirmed that the blanket and the soft toy were in that position when he went to check his daughter.
    - the two cots stand in the middle of the bedroom, making the movements of an adult rather difficult.



    - no bed sheets in the cots, only the mattresses; twins were taken out with sheets and everything, only woke up when they were taken into another apartment.
    - analysis of photographs of the living room: the sofa beneath one of the side windows is not in position, and the curtains of the window are pulled shut but rolled up and distorted.



    - the father would end up giving an explanation for the sofa’s position. the sofa was normally not pushed against the wall, but he pushed it against the wall because the children used to throw toys into the space behind the sofa while playing.
    - sofa may have played crucial role in the accident theory. if sofa was not pushed against the wall, M could have tried to access the window and fell between the sofa and the wall.
    - a digital camera is visible on the living room table, the investigators remark that they need the photos from that camera; they want to know what happened during the dinner, who sat where, what was eaten, what was drunk, who was close, what they were wearing, every detail.
    - the father dropped to his knees in front of the GNR officers when they arrived, made no sense as he is always under control - possibly to contaminate his trousers?
    - in the couple’s bedroom, two beds are pushed together, a wide empty space between them and the wardrobe. one of the beds is made: nobody slept there.



    - empty space was apparently for one of the cots.
    - possible conclusions: the couple used to sleep in their bedroom with the twins, and M in the other bedroom; the children started sleeping all together in the other bedroom at some point; the spare bed in the children’s bedroom had been slept in; only one person slept in the couple’s bedroom; did the mother stop sleeping with the father and started sleeping with the children?
    - not one single medicine was found, only a box of band-aids.
    (Thanks to Leo for posting this on Proboards.....The following information is summarized by Summer (no pun intended) from 'The Truth Of The Lie' by Gonçalo Amaral WITH KIND REQUEST TO BUY THE BOOK IF/WHEN IT COMES OUT IN ENGLISH)

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    En verder een snipper uit de online krant Portugal Resident
    quote:
    MADELEINE: Police should search for body said British expert

    A SUMMARY by police in February 2008 reveals, for the first time, that there were only two possible causes, in their opinion, that could account for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

    The report, written on February 5 by investigators, concludes that by analysing the evidence up to that point, police felt that Madeleine was kidnapped or killed, either accidentally or deliberately, and continues to give detailed reasons as to why these conclusions have been drawn.

    The possibility of kidnap is taken from evidence including the statement made by Kate describing windows in the apartment being open that were not open earlier.

    The testimony by Jane Tanner is also taken into account and her statement describing an individual carrying a child in their arms at 9.15pm adds to this theory. Police files reveal that the alternative explanation for Madeleine’s disappearance is that she died in the apartment and her body was then removed.

    The summary states that the specialist British police dog, Eddie, detected the smell of a dead body in the apartment near the window and behind the sofa.

    The dog also detected signs of a body in the Renault car hired by the McCanns and in other areas in and around the apartment used by the McCanns. Keela, the dog used to detect the smell of human blood, is reported in the files as finding the smell of blood in the sitting room of the apartment, adding to the suspicions by the police that Madeleine died in the apartment.

    At no point in the summary is anyone specifically accused of killing or kidnapping Madeleine.

    In July 2007 Mark Harrison MBE of the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) made a report to the Portuguese police stating that in his opinion: “Police have concentrated on finding Madeleine alive, they now need to start to consider other options and the possibility that she has been killed and her body hidden.”

    Mark Harrison assessed the Portuguese investigation between May and July and recommended that areas should be searched again but using dogs that detect blood and dead bodies.
    Het blijft mij verbazen dat er IMO belangrijke sporen (door honden) opgespoord in augustus door die snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela, zijn gemanipuleerd en naderhand door het wereldberoemde Engelse lab FSS (middels door o.a. Low Copy Number, uitleg) op z'n minst één belangrijk stukje DNA-materiaal is vernietigd tijdens het testen. Amaral, in z'n boek en in interviews, meldt dat dit stukje op verzoek nooit meer terug is gekomen...Iets uitgebreider in een artikel uit een eerdere post, onderaan.

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    Uit de files, hier gepubliceerd, die site plaatst het meest interessante uit de 30,000 pages to the case file, of which only 11,000 are open to the press. Ik heb zelf deze snipper uit de verklaring van Gerry (de dag na de vermissing dd 4-5-2207) er uit gepikt:
    quote:
    "Between April 29th, the day of arrival, and the time when MADELEINE disappeared, the interviewee reports having noticed nothing unusual, except that on the morning of May 3rd, MADELEINE asked her father, GERALD, why he had not come into the room when the twins were crying. The interviewee had heard nothing and had not gone into the room. It was the first time that MADELEINE had made that kind of comment."
    Merkwaardig dat in de meeste kranten men het over Madeleine heeft die aan haar moeder Kate (en dus niet aan Gerry zoals hij zelf verklaard) vraagt waarom ze niet kwam kijken toen ze lagen te huilen, en dat laatste klopt ook niet, Madeleine zegt dat de twins lagen te huilen. Het zou best kunnen kloppen dat Madeleine Daddy heeft geroepen want wat verklaarde buurvouw van het naast gelegen apartement: "Widow Mrs Fenn told police that two nights before Madeleine went missing she heard a little girl in the apartment crying for over an hour.She said the toddler, who is believed to have been Madeleine, was crying "Daddy, daddy" constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm." McCannfiles.com. Madeleine had kennelijk geen band met haar moeder, maar dat is te pijnlijk openbaar te maken, dus wordt Kate expres naar voren geschoven.
    quote:
    * "Madeleine McCann complained to her mother after she was left crying and alone on the night before she disappeared, leaked police documents have disclosed." The little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?" telegraph

    * “Mummy,” she said, “Why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?” Kate said later: “Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children” The Sun

    * "Mrs McCann told police: "While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said, 'Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?' "Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children." But, just hours later, the McCanns left the three alone in their unlocked holiday apartment to have dinner with friends. Daily Mail

    * The film also captures the couple's disgust as their statements to Portuguese police were leaked on the day they went to Brussels to campaign for a Europeanwide missing child alert system. The leak revealed that on the morning of May 3, the day Madeleine vanished, she asked Kate: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?" The Mirror

    * "It was sort of fairly early in the morning, she just very casually really said, 'Where were you last night when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know, 'When was this Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' … and she didn't answer and I said, 'When was this Madeleine?' and then she just carried on playing whatever she was doing totally undistressed." ABCnews
    En verder nog dit artikel: Clarence Mitchell: how I met Gerry and Kate McCann En op McCannfiles veel support-artikelen, halverwege ongeveer, echt verschrikkelijk....

    En een snipper die weergeeft hoe Gerry McCann de vermissing vergeleek, uit een eerdere post: "Gerry: "if all three of the children had been taken it could have been even worse than your worst nightmare and we've got to be strong for them." En hoe het voelde in het begin: "The analogy that I like to use is a bit like when we were students and you'd got to your overdraft limit and you'd gone beyond it and there was just nothing left in the tank." Echt waar, geuit in een interview met Sky News Mei 25, 2007." Dat we dat nog maar weer ff weten...

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    OMG, die analogie . En het even met elkaar overleggen of je je kinderen wat beter in de gaten moet houden, wellicht
    Het wordt met elke onthulling pijnlijker allemaal. Ik krijg trouwens naar aanleiding van het interview met Amaral ook het idee dat er vanuit Portugal het een en ander in een doofpot is gestopt.
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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    Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 17:30 schreef livelink het volgende:
    OMG, die analogie . En het even met elkaar overleggen of je je kinderen wat beter in de gaten moet houden, wellicht
    Het wordt met elke onthulling pijnlijker allemaal. Ik krijg trouwens naar aanleiding van het interview met Amaral ook het idee dat er vanuit Portugal het een en ander in een doofpot is gestopt.
    Hoi Livelink , ja erg he, Ik kwam deze quote tegen toen ik wat opzocht, en dan is het weer verpletterend om te lezen hoe Gerry McCann, vlak na de vermssing, dit drama beschrijft/vergelijkt. Wat betreft Amaral. Ik heb nog voor dat interview al eens geschreven dat ik het eigelijk niet begrijp dat Portugal zich zo heeft laten inpakken door de UK. Niets kon, niets van belang werd teruggeven (stukje DNA-materiaal), alleen maar tegenwerking van alle partijen inclusief de Britse overheid, en ongelofelijk smear in de Britse pers < nog steeds. Je zou haast gaan denken dat in de hogere regionen van de Portugese politie chantabele figuren zitten, een ergerlijke gedachte mijnerzijds. Alhoewel de toeristische industrie enorm belangrijk is, met name de Algarve is zeer geliefd bij de Britten, kan dat toch niet dé reden zijn om als marionetten te handelen. Wél was de ondertekening (in december) van het Lissabon Verdrag zeer belangrijk voor Portugal, daarvoor heeft PM Gordon Brown nog met de Portugese PM over de McCanns gesproken. Algemeen wordt aangenomen dat toen de duimschroeven zijn aangedraaid door Brown. Deze laatste heeft het nog gepresteerd 2 uur later te verschijnen en kwam dus te laat voor de fofoshoot met alle PM's, een historisch gebeuren die nu verkloot is door Brown, een vette snub richting Portugal. Iets wat ik eerder heb gepost > in december en later > hier.

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    En dan nu de getuigenverklaring van Jane Tanner, gegeven een na dag na de vermissing van Madeleine, dd 4-5-2007. Let wel, dat is dus 'haar' waarheid en opgeschreven middels een vertaler op het politiebureau. Met dank weer aan mccannfiles
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    Jane Tanner's interview on 04 May 2007
    As with Gerry McCann's interview, a translator was called for. This time, the, "sworn," interpreter was Filipa Maria. It is important to bear in mind that there is a different translator each time. This guarantees objectivity in the translation, the translator not being influenced by the translation of the previous person. The interview begins at 11.30am on May 4th 2007.

    I have been in Portugal since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, at the Ocean Club tourist resort, with my partner (Russell O'Brien), my two children and three couples of friends (Gerald McCann, Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly, David and Fiona Payne as well as Fiona Payne's mother, Diane Webster). We are with our children, Ella O'Brien, aged 3 years and Evie O'Brien, aged one year.

    The other couples have also come with their children, Grace Oldfield, aged one year (daughter of Matthew Oldfield and Rachael Manpilly), Lily Payne, aged two years and Scarlett Payne, aged eleven months (children of David and Fiona Payne). The twins, Sean and Amélie McCann, aged two years and Madeleine Beth McCann who will celebrate her birthday during the holiday week. (Children of Gerald McCann and Kate Healy)


    The interviewee and her partner are on holiday with the other couples, having organised the trip from England, where they are friends. They traveled with the, "Mark Warner," agency. All the couples have individual apartments in the same complex, with their respective children.

    Since Saturday, the habit has been to get up around 7.30/8am, then to have breakfast in a restaurant near the apartment, called the, "Millenium," (6) towards 9am, to drive the children to the, "Kids Club." (2)(4)(5), according to the ages of the children. Only Gerry and Kate have breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three children and it is complicated walking with the three at the same time. Then, they too drive their children to the, "Kids Club."

    The Kid's Club

    Ella O'Brien and Madeleine McCann are left in a place at the reception. (4) Responsible for them is an English lady named Cat Baker. Apart from her, there are three or four people to look after the children. (She no longer remembers the names apart from one: Emma Wilding). They do several activities like going to the indoor swimming pool in the complex, going to the tennis court which is outside near the, "Tapas," restaurant (3), going to the beach (outside), painting and going for walks in the complex.

    Grace Oldfield, Evie O'Brien, Lily Payne, Amélie and Sean McCann are left at a third place (2) near the, "Tapas," restaurant. The supervisor for Gracie and Evie was an English citizen named Leanne Wagstaff. As for Lily, Amélie and Sean, the supervisor would be, but not certain, Stacey Portz. The activities were identical to the other places, outside and inside the complex.


    The following section is a provisional translation, awaiting an improved version:

    Around 12.30, they picked their children up from the rooms of the Kid’s Club where they were. The Kid’s Club closed for lunch. Sometimes, they all had lunch together in one of the apartments of the couples.

    Around 2.30 PM the rooms of the “Kids Club” opened. Only Madeleine, Amélie, Sean and Ella went back. The other children stayed with their parents. Around 4.45PM, the children came together for tea in a room from the Tapas restaurant. Meanwhile their parents had their own occupations.

    03 May 2007

    Until then, JT hasn’t noticed anything out of the ordianary concerning the group of friends or the children. She didn’t attend breakfast as she had a tennis lesson scheduled for 9.00. Her partner had breakfast with both their children. Then he went to pick Ella O’Brien, and took them all to the Kid’s Club. Evie was probably unwell, for she did’nt go to the “Kids Club” that day. Kate Healy and Diane Webster arrived and waited for 30 mn, until the tennis lesson was over. Jane Tanner doesn’t know where the McCanns children had breakfast, but they were at the Kid’s Club, and Jane Tanner thinks their father took them there. During the tennis lesson, Kate Healy behaved in her usual manner. After her lesson, Jane Tanner went with her partner, O’Brien, and their daughter Evie, to the beach where they stayed until 12.20. Then they went to the Kid’s club to pick Ella. Jane Tanner doesn’t know what Kate Healy did after the tennis lesson, but around 10.00 she heard that Gerry was having a lesson from 10.10 to 11.10. Jane Tanner did not notice if Madeleine was still in the Kid’s Club when they went to pick Ella. They had lunch in their appartment with their 2 children and Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly and their daughter Grace until 1.45. At 2.00, Jane Tanner played tennis again, this time with Rachel Manpilly She remembers that while she was playing, she saw Kate Healy and Gerald McCann with their children on the playground by the tennis courts. Kate waved to her. The McCanns stayed there until 2.40 PM, when they took the children to the “Kids Club”.

    At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie. Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing.

    At 3.45, Jane Tanner went to the beach (Praia) with her daughter Evie, Rachael Manpilly, Diane Webster, Fiona Payne, Lily Payne and Scarlett Payne. Her husband Russell O’Brien came back from his sailing trip and went to fetch Ella at the “Kids Club”. They came to join the group at the beach until 6.10/6.15. On their way to the beach earlier, the group saw Gerald McCann and Kate Healy taking a private tennis lesson. Their children weren’t with them. Around 5.15, they saw Kate Healy passing on the beach, jogging.

    Russel O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left the beach earlier for the “Men’s tennis night”. On their way back from the beach, the group saw them and Gerry McCann on the courts. They talked with them for about 20 minuts. Gerald McCann’s behaviour was his usual. Jane Tanner surmises Kate was in her apartment, putting the children to bed. Around 7.00 everyone went back to their appartments with their children. Jane Tanner gave a bath to her daughters, and read them a story to make them sleep. As Evie was sick and couldn’t fall asleep, she stayed with her father, who meanwhile, had come back home. Jane Tanner left around 8.30, to go to the Tapas restaurant.

    On her arrival some of the grown ups from the group were already there, without any children. These were supposed to sleep. Around 9.00, her husband arrived, having successfully made their daughter sleep. Since David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster were late, the meal, ordered at 8.30, only started at 9.00, when the Payne family arrived. Normally, one person from each apartment went to the children’s bedrooms to see if everything was OK. Everything went well during the dinner. Everyone was in a good disposition. Jane Tanner remembers that around 9.10, Gerald McCann left the restaurant to go and see his children. Five minutes later, she also left, to check in her own apartment. She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British person named Jez whom he met during the holidays and with whom he played tennis. She passed them, knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked with his children.

    Meanwhile, she noticed a man passing, with a child in his arms, walking fast. The child was in pyjamas, without a blanket, which attracted her attention. She only saw him from the side, exactly at the moment she passed Gerald and Jez. That person was coming from the pavement at the end of the apartment block. He quickly passed the crossing. The entrance to the building, where the apartments are, is exactly where she saw him. After checking on her children Jane Tanner went back to the Tapas. On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the street where she had seen him talking. On arriving to the restaurant, she saw him with his wife Kate Healy.

    15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and Russell O’Brien went out to see their children.. As their daughter Evie wasn’t well and cried, Russell staid in the bedroom. Matthew checked on the children, Gerald and Kate’s included. According to him, he saw the twins, but wasn’t successful in seeing Madeleine. But as he didn’t hear any noise, he thought everything was fine and went back to the restaurant. Matthew told Jane Tanner that Russell stayed in the bedroom. She quickly ate the main course, and, worried, went into the bedroom so that her husband could eat in turn .

    As she was in the bedroom, around 10, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona scream that Madeleine had disappeared. She doesn’t know if it was Kate who found out about the disappearance as she wasn’t in the restaurant then. All their evenings went the same way. It was normal for them to leave the table in turns. Madeleine Beth McCann was a good child, loving, busy, and fun. She loved playing, was intelligent and Jane Tanner doesn’t believe she would let an unknown person get near without screaming…

    Description of the man seen by Jane Tanner:

    Dark hair, man, between 35 and 40, thin, about 1.70 cms. Hair very dark, thick, not unkempt, but going down to the neck.(Seen from behind). He wore long trousers (like linen) beige colour, and a coat “Duffy” style (but lighter). Shoes black, classical type. Precipitated walk. He was carrying a child reclining on his two arms in front of his chest. He didn’t give her the feeling that he was a tourist.

    She only saw the child’s legs. The child looked bigger than a baby, didn’t wear shoes, dressed with cotton pyjamas, of a light colour, maybe pink or white. She isn’t sure, but thinks she saw a pattern on the material, maybe flowers. She isn’t certain.

    She claims she doesn’t know what Madeleine was wearing when she disappeared. She didn’t talk about it with anyone. As regards the man, she just said a word about him to Gerald and to the police. She is asked to help for a sketch which comes into the file. Being asked if she could identify the person, she says yes as long as she can see his profile, at the place where she saw him.

    After reading the report, she persists, and signs.
    In de BBC-docu (transscript) zei Jane Tanner over die pyama van dat kind: "JANE: Only because the pyjamas had a pinky aspect to them so you presume a girl. It was actually quite cold."

    The Times: "When she was formally interviewed by police at 3am that night, Tanner realised that the pyjamas on the child she had seen were an exact match with Madeleine’s." Eerder hierboven: "light colour, maybe pink or white. She isn’t sure, but thinks she saw a pattern on the material, maybe flowers. She isn’t certain."

    Ook uit de BBC-docu: "JANE: I went out to the front door of our apartment and then I saw Rachael came and said: "Oh Madeleine's gone!" So that was the first that I heard about it." In de bovengenoemde verklaring wordt Rachel niet genoemd die schreeuwde dat Madeleine weg was. Etc etc etc

    Ik heb nergens gelezen in deze verklaring dat Jane Tanner daadwerkelijk die dag op 3 mei, Madeleine fysiek heeft waargenomen, dit stukje zegt ook niks: "Jane Tanner doesn’t know where the McCanns children had breakfast, but they were at the Kid’s Club, and Jane Tanner thinks their father took them there. During the tennis lesson, Kate Healy behaved in her usual manner. After her lesson, Jane Tanner went with her partner, O’Brien, and their daughter Evie, to the beach where they stayed until 12.20. Then they went to the Kid’s club to pick Ella. Jane Tanner doesn’t know what Kate Healy did after the tennis lesson, but around 10.00 she heard that Gerry was having a lesson from 10.10 to 11.10. Jane Tanner did not notice if Madeleine was still in the Kid’s Club when they went to pick Ella."

    En dan dat zeil-uitje op die dag, kam me dat niet herinneren in eerdere artikelen, maar kan me vergissen: "At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie. Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing." Waren om 3.45 terug. Dat duurde ook niet lang dus...

    Map of locations at the Ocean Club, referred to in Jane Tanner's statement



    1 - Apartments (where all the couples are housed. The block consists of 3 or 4 floors with each floor about 6 apartments for a total of between 20 and 30 apartments)
    2 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Grace, Evie, Lily, Amelie and Sean)
    3 - "TAPAS" Restaurant
    4 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Ella and Madeleine)
    5 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Scarlett)
    6 - "Millennium" Restaurant
    7 - Praia Beach
    8 - Tennis Courts

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      † In Memoriam † zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 @ 22:17:21 #187
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    Op vrijdag 22 augustus 2008 22:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Madeleine, was crying "Daddy, daddy" constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm." McCannfiles.com. Madeleine had kennelijk geen band met haar moeder, maar dat is te pijnlijk openbaar te maken, dus wordt Kate expres naar voren geschoven.
    Meisjes op die leeftijd adoreren hun vader en negeren toch ook vaak hun moeder ( kijk dus tevens even terug naar mijn eigen peuter/kleuter tijd)
    Mijn moeder kon daar erg moeilijk mee omgaan daarom weet ik het zo goed
    Kan mij voorstellen dat Kate dat ook niet als plezierig heeft ervaren.
    Ik gilde vroeger zelf pappa pappa en als m'n moeder dan kwam dan gilde ik nog harder dat ZIJ weg moest gaan en dat PAPPA Moest komen .
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    Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 22:17 schreef Loedertje het volgende:

    [..]

    Meisjes op die leeftijd adoreren hun vader en negeren toch ook vaak hun moeder ( kijk dus tevens even terug naar mijn eigen peuter/kleuter tijd)
    Mijn moeder kon daar erg moeilijk mee omgaan daarom weet ik het zo goed
    Kan mij voorstellen dat Kate dat ook niet als plezierig heeft ervaren.
    Ik gilde vroeger zelf pappa pappa en als m'n moeder dan kwam dan gilde ik nog harder dat ZIJ weg moest gaan en dat PAPPA Moest komen .
    Tuurlijk snap ik dat, mij maakte het trouwens geen donder uit, áls er maar iemand kwam, meestal toch moeders... Maar waarom ik het plaatste was vooral het verschil qua Gerry's verklaring, Madeleine vroeg het aan daddy, en wat er uiteindelijk in de pers kwam, Madeleine vroeg het aan Mummy waarom ze niet kwam. Maar eigenlijk ben ik van mening dat Madeleine op 3 mei al niet meer onder ons was, dat hele verhaal is verzonnen (dat M nog leefde die dag) gespind verder door Clarence Mitchell door er Mummy van te maken, dat klinkt wat meer heartbreaking, en de lezer overtuigen dat M nog leefde, maar dat deut er nu ff niet teu....

    Ik las net dit nog: Editor's note: the first names of the children of the group of friends are fictitious.

    [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 23-08-2008 22:48:10 ]
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    Tjonge jonge, gaan we nu eens eindelijk iets onderzoeken???? Bijvoorbeeld de Daily Mail, wat betreft het aanstellen van die PI's uit Amerika. Nah, toch maar niet...
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    Madeleine fund in chaos as private eyes are axed after draining £500,000 Daily Mail
    By DANIEL BOFFEY and MILES GOSLETT Last updated at 10:14 PM on 23rd August 2008
    A team of private investigators working behind the scenes to find Madeleine McCann has been axed after being paid £500,000 from publicly donated funds. The Find Madeleine Fund quietly engaged the services of a US-based company which was awarded the lucrative six-month contract earlier this year.

    The company, Oakley International, which boasts former British security service and FBI contacts, was hired to monitor the Madeleine Hotline, carry out detective work and review CCTV footage of possible sightings of the missing girl around the world. A source revealed that the company had also spent resources in an attempt to infiltrate a paedophile ring in Belgium.

    However, the company's contract will now not be renewed. The Mail on Sunday has learned that double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, who has been underwriting the fund's search for Madeleine, has conducted a review of the agency's work and has become unhappy with the progress it was making.

    The deal was abruptly ended following a meeting last week after the fund brought in independent monitors to assess how the money was spent. The cost of employing the agency - run by a Briton, Kevin Halligen - has drained the Madeleine fund and there is now less than £500,000 left.

    The development is likely to dismay the thousands who gave to the appeal, and raise questions about how the fund has been administered. Mr Kennedy, who owns Sale Sharks rugby club, was said to be 'angry' because he believed Oakley's bills, estimated to be more than £80,000 a month, were too much for the results they achieved.

    A source said: 'There is a sense that they were meaning well but hadn't got as far as they should for the money involved. 'Brian Kennedy thought their work was far too pricey and wanted to know where the money was being spent. He wasn't satisfied with their answers and the contract was not renewed.

    'Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, have been kept informed all along and agree with the decision. A lot of people were asking questions about where the money was being spent.' Oakley International won the contract after an introduction by another company, Red Defence International (RDI), based in Jermyn Street, Central London.

    Listed as being involved with both companies was Mr Halligen, 47, a communications expert. He is given as the 'contact name' for Oakley International Group, a company registered in Washington DC as the manufacturer of search and navigation equipment. The company says it has annual sales of £33,000 and only one employee, who appears to be Mr Halligen.

    The address given for the company is 2550 M Street NW Washington, which is the downtown office of Patton Boggs, one of the largest and most powerful law companies in America. A source at the law firm said last night that the lawyer who represented Mr Halligen was unavailable for comment.

    RDI, formed in 2005, bills itself as 'an experienced provider of crisis prevention, management and expertise'. It claims to have a presence in Washington DC and Virginia and representation in the Middle East, Africa and Central America.

    However, its latest set of accounts is two months overdue and it faces being fined by HM Revenue & Customs. Among the main players working on the McCann contract were Mr Halligen and Henri Exton, 57, who headed the Greater Manchester Police undercover unit until 1993. He then worked for the Government before moving into the private sector.

    One day after a crisis meeting last week with the Madeleine fund administrators, Mr Halligen resigned as a director of RDI. Mr Exton, of Bury, Lancashire, has the Queen’s Police Medal and an OBE. During the Seventies and Eighties his work included uncovering organised crime rings and recruiting supergrasses.

    He also infiltrated football gangs, at one stage becoming a leader of the Young Guvnors, who followed Manchester City, and was forced to take part in organised incidents to preserve his cover. Previously, the McCann fund had employed a Spanish detective agency called Metodo 3. However, the fund lost confidence in them, especially after they announced they would find Madeleine by last Christmas.

    She had disappeared from the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007, nine days short of her fourth birthday. A spokesman for the McCanns said yesterday: 'Kate and Gerry, the fund and their backers have always sought to employ the very best people and resources in the ongoing search for Madeleine.

    'Kate and Gerry, via the fund and the backers, continue to employ many such resources and it is true that Red Defence and Oakley were part of those resources. 'I simply will not comment on any personnel, financial or operational details whatsoever.'

    No one could be reached for comment at Oakley International or Red Defence International. Mr Kennedy, estimated to be worth about £250million, became involved after being moved by the plight of the McCanns during the period they were made formal suspects – arguidos – in Madeleine's disappearance. Portuguese prosecutors dropped the couple's arguido status last month.

    The 47-year-old made his money in double-glazing and home improvement ventures with companies including Everest windows. His Latium Group business empire has an annual turnover of about £400million.
    Well, well...the thruth is coming out. En wederom heeft/geeft het team McCann geen commentaar...



    Tijd om een nieuwe campagne te starten? Money makes the world go round, en wie hebben we hier....yes, Angelina Jolie (sad cow IMO), ook goed als een ingang om de US te 'veroveren'....
    Jolie's support to Maddie mum Daily Star NEW mum-of-twins Angelina Jolie wants to set up a meeting with the mother of missing Madeleine McCann. The nightmare of Kate and her husband Gerry was brought home to the Hollywood star while shooting her new movie Changeling." Zelf verder lezen....

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    Goedemorgen Suko

    Waar zijn die McCanns toch in vredesnaam mee bezig? Dat vraag ik me steeds vaker af. Het lijkt wel alsof ze alleen bezig zijn om hun invloedrijke vrienden maar vooral te laten geloven dat ze onschuldig zijn. Wat zou er in vredesnaam gebeuren als zou blijken dat de McCanns wel degelijk verantwoordelijk zouden zijn voor de dood van Madeleine? Dan zouden een hoop mensen zich enorm belazerd voelen. Zou niemand van al die celebrities, geldschieters, politici en dergelijke zich niet afvragen of de McCanns hun support en geld nou waard zijn? Los of ze direct verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine, het zijn toch niet echt modelouders gebleken.

    Over Oprah Winfrey hoor ik trouwens niks meer. Wellicht toch te bang voor een kritisch interview
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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    Op zondag 24 augustus 2008 11:19 schreef livelink het volgende:
    Goedemorgen Suko

    Waar zijn die McCanns toch in vredesnaam mee bezig? Dat vraag ik me steeds vaker af. Het lijkt wel alsof ze alleen bezig zijn om hun invloedrijke vrienden maar vooral te laten geloven dat ze onschuldig zijn. Wat zou er in vredesnaam gebeuren als zou blijken dat de McCanns wel degelijk verantwoordelijk zouden zijn voor de dood van Madeleine? Dan zouden een hoop mensen zich enorm belazerd voelen. Zou niemand van al die celebrities, geldschieters, politici en dergelijke zich niet afvragen of de McCanns hun support en geld nou waard zijn? Los of ze direct verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine, het zijn toch niet echt modelouders gebleken.

    Over Oprah Winfrey hoor ik trouwens niks meer. Wellicht toch te bang voor een kritisch interview
    Middag Livelink . Tja, ze zijn zo slim geweest iedereen die iets betekent vanaf het begin er bij te betrekken (daarom denken veel mensen dat dit alles is gepland). wie kunnen er nu nog met goed fatsoen zich terug trekken zou je denken, alhoewel geldschieterd Branson vorig jaar oktober de geldstroom heeft gestopt. Britse politici aan de top hebben mogelijk een andere agenda (something to hide...), zoals Amaral al schreef, het is geen zaak van de politie maar een politieke zaak. Hij wist gewoon teveel en is 2 uur na een telefoontje van PM Fordon Brown ontslagen. Ook het Portugese justitie-apparaat kende tijdens dit onderzoek vele wisselingen....

    Of ze nog bij Ophra Winfrey op de bank komen zitten betwijfel ik, mensen uit het nieuws worden niet betaald beweert ze. En mogelijk idd bang voor 'enge' vragen... Maar dan is kwebbeltante Barbara Walters nog een optie.

    Wat het bericht betreft uit de Daily Mail over die PI's uit de US en nu ontslagen, toch merkwaardig dat dit £500.000 nu al geeft gekost, "The Find Madeleine Fund quietly engaged the services of a US-based company which was awarded the lucrative six-month contract earlier this year." Dus het bericht uit de telegraph op 13 aug. j.l. klopt niet? "Madeleine McCann's parents have hired a US private investigator firm made up of former CIA and FBI agents and special forces veterans as part of a renewed push to find their missing daughter, it was reported."

    Wat een b*ll allemaal, ze waren dus al veel eerder ingehuurd en imo vlak nadat het contract van Metodo 3 afliep in het voorjaar. Hoogst waarschijnlijk was het niet duidelijk wat en waar men moest 'zoeken' aangezien er niks te zoeken valt. De vrijgegeven files met sightings (die allemaal allang zijn nagetrokken) zijn natuurlijk niet echt bedoelt om te zoeken maar om Madeleine levend én in het nieuws te houden, én getuigen opnieuw te bezoeken+stil te houden. Waren deze PI's in conflict met de McCanns? Kregen ze iets door, wilden hun handen niet branden? Tenslotte denkt de PJ in het eindrapport dat Madeleine niet meer leeft en zijn er geen bewijzen van een ontvoering, tja....Merkwaardig ook dat in de Daily Mail de beslissing aan rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy wordt toegeschreven, hij is toch alleen een board-member van het fonds en staat er garant voor, werkgever van Clarence Mitchell en Metodo 3 < die hebben ook verklaard dat ze niet dienst waren van de McCanns maar bij Brian Kennedy. Wat heeft die man allemaal te vertellen en mogelijk te verbergen en ook wíe betaald wát, dat blijft zeer vaag, wat misschien ook de bedoeling is.

    Maar goed, hou in het hoofd dat dit mogelijk onderdeel van spin is, afleiden van aandacht, beetje slecht nieuws waarbij de McCanns mogelijk niet echt de regie hebben, doet ff vergeten wat er nu door de vrijgegeven files naar buiten komt en mogelijk nog meer als met een week de files (althans een groot deel) helemaal openbaar worden. A little scared team McCann????

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    Zou het desbetreffende onderzoeksteam wellicht informatie gevonden hebben die niet helemaal gunstig was voor de McCanns? Een goed onderzoeksteam moet toch alle opties onderzoeken, dus ook de mogelijkheid dat de ouders zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van hun kind. Dat lijkt me wel een stunt, een bureau dat ingehuurd is en betaald door de McCanns, dat ineens het onomstotelijke bewijs vindt dat de McCanns zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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    Op zondag 24 augustus 2008 22:24 schreef livelink het volgende:
    Zou het desbetreffende onderzoeksteam wellicht informatie gevonden hebben die niet helemaal gunstig was voor de McCanns? Een goed onderzoeksteam moet toch alle opties onderzoeken, dus ook de mogelijkheid dat de ouders zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van hun kind. Dat lijkt me wel een stunt, een bureau dat ingehuurd is en betaald door de McCanns, dat ineens het onomstotelijke bewijs vindt dat de McCanns zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine
    En daar zou je wel eens helemaal gelijk in kunnen hebben, iets wat ik al in die richting opperde. Willen mogelijk geen handen branden, worden niet echt ingezet om te zoeken etc etc. Zouden ze echt wat ontdekt hebben?! En wat die gelden in het fonds betreft, niemand weet exact hoeveel er inzit, wat en waaraan iets is besteed, af en toe laat Mitchell wat los, maar die wordt door niemand meer serieus genomen. Zou zomaar kunnen dat die genoemde bedragen aan die PI's niet kloppen, tenslotte kreeg Metodo 3 ook minder als eerst was bericht, mogelijk krijgen de McCanns daar een deel van...dat is voorlopig niet te checken, de stouterds!....
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    In een google-vertaling schrijft sosmaddie/be dat de Belgische politie van niets weet dat één van die ingehuurde detectives zou zijn ge-infiltreerd in een pedo-netwerk...maar ja, dat wisten we eigenlijk al wel...Wat de Daily Mail eerder schreef: "A source revealed that the company had also spent resources in an attempt to infiltrate a paedophile ring in Belgium."
    quote:
    Detective McCann infiltrates network of pedophile 24.08.2008

    "There are not 36 ways to infiltrate a network pedophile…There are only two: either you are a victim or you're executioner," said a spokesman for the Belgian Federal Police last night confronted with the advanced information by the British media of a detectives engaged in the service of Kate and Gerry McCann have infiltrated a network of paedophilia in Belgium.

    According to British media, citing a source close to the McCann family, one of the detectives agency Oakley International allegedly used some of the 600,000 euros paid by the Find Madeleine Fund in its efforts to infiltrate a network of paedophilia in Belgium.

    "We are not aware of the existence of a pedophile network, especially with the characteristics that the British media have alleged. In Belgium, unfortunately, we paedophiles, the same way they exist in the United Kingdom where, I think, their number and importance is far greater than ours, "said the same officer, stressing that" Belgium is known for the case of Dutroux, but we must not forget that the English had Ian Huntley.”In this case, if the detectives of McCann supposed to have infiltrated a network or approached by paedophiles in Belgium, why have not t'ils informed the competent authorities? "

    According to the latest information, Oakley International, a supposed detective agency, is no longer serving McCann, after six months of a relationship that has produced any results, but would couté 600,000 euros responsible design by Kate and Gerry McCann after the disappearance of Madeleine.

    After the Spaniards of Metodo 3, Oakley International, allegedly composed of former officers of British and American intelligence, was supposed to maintain a hotline for McCann, investigating several leads and analyze images of any new evidence about Madeleine.
    to follow ...Duarte Levy et Paulo Reis Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
    Ian Huntley, bekend van die moord op 2 meisjes, Soham murders (2002) Pikant detail, vandaag een rel in de UK, Moira (Myra) Hindley's afbeelding was (portret gemaakt van uitgeprinte kinderhandjes) te zien in een Londen-promo-filmpje in Peking: "Samen met haar vriend, Ian Brady, maakte zij zich schuldig aan het kidnappen, seksueel misbruiken, martelen en vermoorden van een aantal kinderen." Bron Die promo werd al langer vertoond, niemand zei er eerder wat van, opmerkelijk.

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    En dan nu de verklaring van vriend en Tapas-genoot, Mike Oldfield, dd 4-5-2007. Ik heb op deze site de opmerkingen overgenomen (Tony Bennett) die er vetgedrukt tussen staan, de tekst zelf is van mccannfiles.com waar alle verklaringen zijn te lezen en nog worden geplaatst:
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    Matthew Oldfield's interview on 04 May 2007 The interview begins at 11h30 on 04/05/08. It is made in the presence of inspector Patricia D.

    As with previous statements, the interviewee having no command of the Portuguese language, an interpreter was requested.

    It is Angela F.M. and as with all previous statements, the interview was read over and its contents explained. After having shown his agreement with his statements, the interviewee confirmed and signed as accurate, the deed that followed, conjointly with the, "sworn," interpreter. This was normal procedure since the start of the interviews.

    In signing, the interpreter commits herself legally concerning the accuracy of her translation.

    On the subject, the interviewee says:

    It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: Scarlett and Lily) Russell and Jane (children Evie and Ella) Rachael (daughter Grace) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

    That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago. That since they arrived in Portugal, until last night, the days were all the same. In the morning, the group woke between 06h30 and 08h00 and that they all went on foot to the, "Millennium," around 10 minutes from the complex. That only Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three very small children.

    That after breakfast, the children were left at the "Kids Club" of the complex. Madeleine and Ella go to the mini-club for their age and the other children go to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the habit was to meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group to have lunch there with the children. In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. The other adults do sporting activities within the complex. After their afternoon sleep, the children return to the "Kids Club."

    REPLY: Hmmm. So, 12.30pm, back for some lunch in one of their apartments, then they all leave to play sport, leaving one adult in charge of 8 children. He doesn't say if they all the adults come back just beofre 2.30pm to take the children back to the mini-club/Kid's Club for the afternoon session. Also, Gerry McCann's 'last photo' of Madeleine and Sean with Gerry by the pool is not conisistent with what Matthew Oldfield says here. According to him, the children would all be having a nap before 2.30pm and then their parents (presumably) would take them all down to the kids' clubs.

    That around 16h45, the children eat at the "Tapas," restaurant inside the tourist complex.

    REPLY: I assume the Paraiso is 'The Tapas restaurant'? So, dinner at the Tapas say 5pm to 6pm/6.30pm, then playing in the playground for another hour or so. Again, only one adult in charge of all 8 children?

    After eating, the children went to play in a playground in the complex, supervised by adults. At around 8pm, the children went to sleep and at around 20h30, the adults went to dinner at the "Tapas" restaurant. While they were eating, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments without the constant supervision of an adult. The interviewee adds that, as the restaurant is around 1 minute from the apartments, randomly, an adult would be going frequently to check on the children in the apartments.

    How the evening progressed

    The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

    That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them.

    REPLY: Hmmm. He does not mention the fact that neither the McCanns nor their three children were in the 'Tapas restaurant' that evening, as the photos revealed in the News of the World made clear. The McCanns' cover stories for what they were doing at this time appear to be (1) we were all having 'high tea' with the nanny Charlotte Pennington 'somewhere near the Tapas bar' [actual place not stated] at around 5pm to 6pm or (2) in Gerry McCann's case: 'I was playing tennis...or rather I was 'hanging around the tennis courts as I could not play any longer because of my Achilles tendon'.

    The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 21h00.

    That around 21h05, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine.

    REPLY: Matthew Oldfield repeats the time line that Russell O'Brien was busily writing down on a scrap of paper [or, as we read elsewhere, on the torn-off cover from one of Madeleine's books]. Russell O'Brien has committed himself to a 'check' at around 9.00pm. He doesn't go into the apartment, and says the shutters are shut.

    That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

    REPLY: How does Matthew Oldfield know 'the apartment was rather dark'? At some stage, Gerry McCann must have told him. He would hardly have passed this remark on the night on returning to the Tapas bar. He wouldn't have said: "Guess what, Matt, the apartment was rather dark when I checked". No, Matthew Oldfield has been told this by Gerry McCann later - as they are comparing notes and working out what to tell the police. The same goes for the statement that the bedroom door was ajar - again, not something he would casually mention to Oldfield on returning to the Tapas bar. Of course, Gerry was not back at the Tapas bar 'after 5 minutes'. According to Gerry McCann's own testimony, it was '15-20 minutes'. In addition, no explanation whatsoever is offered as to what Matthew Oldfield was doing checking the apartment at 9.05pm when Gerry McCann says this is the precise time he set off to do his check.

    In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.

    That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all nights) one of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping. That normally this checking was done inside the apartments (Visual checking), but that, to be honest, sometimes this checking was only done from the outside, near the bedroom windows (Auditory checking).

    REPLY: The '15 minutes' was no doubt said by Oldfield before the 'Tapas 9' all agreed to say that the checking was 'every half hour'. Also, he is quoted as saying: "One of the grown ups went to the bedrooms to see if the children were asleep". This is quite clear. One grown up went (singular), to check on the bedrooms (plural) to see if the children (plural) were asleep. It seems as though he is giving the clear impression here that one of the group went to check on all apartments. Yet Dianne Webster has been repeatedly quoted as saying that 'each couple was responsible for their own checking'.

    As normal, dinner began at 21h30.

    At around 21h25, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom quarters, that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

    REPLY: So many questions about this. So he entered the flat? Well, why didn't he at 9.05pm? Did Gerry McCann give him a key? - presumably not, as Oldfield tells us later that he ewalked in through an unlocked door. Through which door did he enter? Did he make sure the doors were locked when he left? How come Matthew Oldfield suddenly started checking on more than one apartment? Why did he check when Gerry had presumably reported back at 9.25pm that the kids were O.K.? And why does he suddenly remember making a check at 9.30pm when Russell O'Brien's carefully-written timeline, handed to police earlier, makes no mention whatsoever of a 9.30pm check by him?

    Then we have what seems IMO to be a blatant and not-too-subtle attempt to create the scenario of the abductor having stolen Madeleine before his check at 9.30pm. For this to work, Matthew Oldfield asks us and the police to accept that:
    1. He did 2 checks in the space of 25 minutes when Russell O'Brien's note says he did only one
    2. He did not enter the apartment on the first of his two visits but apparently did on the second visit
    3. He checked moreorless the same time as Gerry McCann did at around 9.05pm
    4. He checked again at 9.30pm just 5 minutes after Gerry McCann returned from talking to Jeremy Wilkins
    5. He entered the children's room and remembers seeing the twins asleep but not Madeleine
    6. He 'thinks' the apartment was 'somewhat lighter' from artificial light outside
    7. He 'thinks' the shutters were open but is not sure.
    He is asking us to believe rather a lot.


    The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.
    He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked in so far as that door is visible from the restaurant.

    REPLY: Destroying the McCanns' initial claim that their doors were locked.

    At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK.

    REPLY: All went in? All 9 adults? His account differs in one important respect from that of Charlotte Pennington, who is certain the twins were not in their cots - and she also says she was the 'first to arrive' there - ahead of the 'Tapas 9'. In her statement, she says that she assumed that friends of the McCanns had moved the twins to the apartment of one of their friends.

    That there was no signs of a burglary in the apartment. Only, one window in the children's bedroom was open. The window and the shutters were open.

    That during the holiday, and notably during the day yesterday and during dinner, nothing appeared unusual to the interviewee. That there wasn't the slightest change in the behaviour of any of the group, notably in that of Kate or Gerry and their respective children.

    Question: And outside the group?

    No, there was nothing unusual and he knows of nothing special happening. That the tourist complex was quiet and that nothing unusual happened there. That during the day the children were under the supervision of the Kids Club's staff. That he doesn't know if Madeleine was suffering from any illness or if she was taking medication. That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert. Madeleine's parents are both very friendly, communicative, happy and sensible. That the couple have an excellent relationship with their children, not making any difference in the treatment of each. That the three children were very much wanted by the couple, all three being the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation.

    The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

    REPLY: IMO this is a totally fabricated statement, with many contradictions between his account and those of others, and many unexplained answers and important details left out. Oldfield invented much of this statement in order to enhance the probability of the abduction theory taking hold. IMO he knows fine well what has become of Madeleine
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    Ja ja, The Times bericht over een vermoord meisje in Israel, Rose, een meisje van 4 jr: "Rose, the little girl with haunted blue eyes and ashy blonde hair has been called the Israeli Madeleine McCann. Her photographs have filled local newspapers while the details of her family's past have scandalised the Israeli public." Maybe The Times should look into the backgrounds of the McCanns and Madeleine, or did you already know (for a long time) and keep it under wraps????? Or is this article a hidden message...

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    Ach, wie en wat hebben we daar...Kate McCann, de 'moeder' van Madeleine. Wat heeft zij verklaard op 4 mei 2007, de dag na de 'vermissing.'
    quote:
    Kate McCann's interview on 04 May 2007 Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

    Kate's interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 14h20.

    On the subject of the proceedings:

    The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

    They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

    The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 15h00 from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

    After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years.

    The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

    The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

    Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She ignored her daughter's words because it was the first time she had talked about it.

    The routines

    The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 07h30/08h30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

    After breakfast, at around 09h00/09h30, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12h30, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

    At 12h30, they (Kate and Gerry McCann) collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 13h30, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 17h00/17h30, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 17h00 dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 20h00, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."

    Thursday May 3rd 2007

    Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 19h30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 20h30. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 20h30, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 21h00, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

    Around 21h30 was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had gone into the apartment through a glass door at the side and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

    (Wat Gerry over de eerste check van Mike (Matt) meldt in zijn verklaring (mccannfiles) "He went into the room. He saw the twins and he checked if Madeleine was OK. Everything was normal, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual.Then MATT went back to the restaurant.) Lijkt me nogal een verschil, of iemand de kamer is ingegaan en de kids heeft gezien of alleen heeft staan luisteren aan de deur...wie liegt hier, Gerry of Kate...want Mike zelf meldt: "That around 21h05, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise.That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine.)

    At around 22h00, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

    Faced with this situation, she verified that the twins were indeed in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

    Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, said she saw, when she went to her apartment at around 21h15, about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person with a child in his arms, walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

    Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey pattern bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

    Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

    Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 13h30 and 15h00, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that Madeleine went to the beach with the Kids Cub for an hour. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.
    Deze site voegt het volgende toe: "Comment: First thing I notice here is that Kate's statement is at a different time to the previous ones detailed by Enfants Kidnappés. Both Jane Tanner's and Matthew Oldfield's took place at the same time in the morning of May 4th 2007, but Kate's was in the afternoon, giving ample time to confer with those who had already been interviewed?"

    Zou inderdaad zomaar kunnen dat Kate tijd heeft gehad om te overleggen met Gerry, Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield die allebei 's morgens zijn gehoord en Kate 's middags 14h20. Tenslotte werd ze gehoord als slachtoffer en niet als mogelijke dader of wat dan ook, iedereen was nog vrijj om te gaan en te praten (overleggen?) met wie dan ook. Gerry gehoord om 11h15, Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield om 11h30. Verder valt op dat Kate veel hetzelfde meldt als Gerry, wat doet vermoeden dat er wel degelijk overleg is geweest. Bekend is dat ze 's nachts op de kaften van de kinderboeken hebben zitten schrijven. Uit een eerdere post. De PJ meent: "The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner."

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    Nog even terugkomend op Kate's statement en ook Gerry verklaarde dat eerder: "The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities."

    Met andere woorden, wel degelijk hebben velen het apartement betreden en alles doorzocht, daarmee zijn belangrijke bewijzen/sporen verloren/besmet geraakt, als dokters hadden ze dat moeten weten en hoogst waarschijnlijk is dat dan ook doelbewust gedaan. Maar wat zei Gerry in de BBC-docu in aug 2007: "There had been quite a few people in the apartment but not into the bedroom, that was limited to myself, Kate, I think two of our friends, the two GNR officers and I think a translator. I was certainly saying to people: "Stay out of the room." There was no sealing off of the room and should we?" Bollocks! De hele zooi was ook verschoven zoals Amaral in zijn boek beschrijft.

    Ik weet 't, niet alles is even interessant wat ik aan verklaringen heb gepost en zal voortzetten indien nodig, maar ik doe het mede omdat de Britse pers verdomd ook maar iets uit deze voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren. Zo komen ook deze verklaringen naar boven als iemand zoekt via Google of zo. Spread the truth because the British press won't/don't...

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    Gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
    quote:
    Press Release from FindMadeleine website, 26 August 2008

    Date Released: 26/08/2008

    In the light of articles in some UK Sunday newspapers this weekend, we feel it is appropriate to comment briefly on our relationship with the investigation company Oakley International.

    We appointed them several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine."
    Die kat van de McCanns naar deze kranten lijkt me pijnlijk, want die publiceerden toch alles wat Mitchell meende te moeten afscheiden. Die several months ago was dus in mei, vlak nadat werd gevierd dat Madeleine een jaar wordt vermist. Het contract is voor 6 maanden zoals verschillende kranten hebben gemeld. Een woordvoerder schrijft in de telegraph 24/8: "Their contract is continuing for the immediate future and will be reviewed when it ends, as you would expect. We will not be comment on the detail of any personnel, financial or operational arrangements."

    En de Daily Mail 23/8: "A source said: 'There is a sense that they were meaning well but hadn't got as far as they should for the money involved. 'Brian Kennedy thought their work was far too pricey and wanted to know where the money was being spent. He wasn't satisfied with their answers and the contract was not renewed."

    Dat nieuws op de site van McCanns doet de wenkbrouwen fronsen. Doen die PI's nu opeens hun werk wel goed? Of dreigt Oakley International uit de school te klappen en was de slechte publiciteit met deze mededeling op de McCann-site een goedmakertje?

    Het merkwaardigst vind ik dat die berichtgeving dit weekend over Oakley International niet van Clarence Mitcell kwam, men had het in de kranten over een woordvoerder van de McCanns en dat de McCanns zelf een en ander verklaren op site. Is Mitchell van het voetlicht verdwenen???? Tenslotte is het volgende maand ook alweer een jaar geleden dat hij door Brian Kennedy werd ingehuurd. Of is hij naar de US om Angelina Joli op te vrijen, zij doet iets met vermiste kids in een film of zoiets en was getroffen door de situatie van de McCanns, zie de Daily Star Of toch de zak gekregen?

    En verder denk ik dat er wat lucratieve dealtjes qua interviews met de McCanns op stapel staan, het fonds mot ook weer gevuld worden....Maar het zou ook zomaar lunnen dat men toch wat nerveus is, de vrijgegeven files voor de pers zijn nou niet bepaald McCann-vriendelijk te noemen. En volgende week openbaar voor het publiek. We zullen zien....

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      woensdag 27 augustus 2008 @ 12:04:06 #200
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Hey hoi hallo, , hoe is het hier? Ik heb een beetje bijlezen te doen geloof ik......
    be nice or go away
      woensdag 27 augustus 2008 @ 12:21:49 #201
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    In elk geval een rondje Anorak vast en een paar vraagjes.
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    Madeleine McCann: Rose Ron, Murder And Portugal’s Bermuda Triangle For Missing Kids
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
    SKY NEWS: “Tragic Case Of Israel’s Madeleine”

    One day on from the news of Israel’s “our Maddie”, Sky news leads with “Israel’s our Maddie”. As Anorak readers know Israel’s our Maddie is called Rose Ron. Sky News - First for breaking news…

    Rose Ron is missing. Rose Ron was missing:

    No-one seemed to really notice until her grandfather walked into a Tel Aviv police station two weeks ago and confessed to her murder.

    No-one? Subtext: Sky News didn’t notice.

    Recounting his actions, Ronny Ron told police he got angry with Rose during a car journey and hit her. After he struck her and did not hear any sounds he realised she was dead. In his panic, he claims to have stuffed her body into a suitcase and thrown it into a river. Speaking in court, he called her death a ‘tragic mistake’.

    So Israel’s Maddie is similar to our Maddie because..? And do bear in mind that none of our Maddie’s family members are accused of any hand in her disappearance. Indeed, Kate and Gerry McCann have been cleared. so too has Robert Murat. Sky commented on him…

    “I have handled many investigations,” said the Israeli district police commander on Israeli radio. “But I can not recall a single other investigation that turned all our stomachs, that all of us come out of the investigation briefings with tears in their eyes.”

    No, not our Maddie, but their Maddie…

    THE TIMES: “The sad life and death of Rose, Israel’s Madeleine McCann”

    You know, the French girl called Rose Ron..?

    Rose, the little girl with haunted blue eyes and ashy blonde hair has been called the Israeli Madeleine McCann.

    Yeah, blonde. Well, blonde-ish. Not as blonde as our Maddie, the original Maddie. But then she is a foreigner…

    THE SUN: “Party Brit’s girl taken into care”

    The Sun’s VERONICA LORRAINE is in Portimao, Portugal. She needs a story quick. She finds one, sort of:

    A GIRL of eight was taken into care after her British mum went partying and left her alone in their holiday apartment — a few miles from where Madeleine McCann was snatched.

    Jeeze! Just think what could have happened… Remember them?

    Portimao is less than 25 miles from Praia da Luz, where Maddie vanished in May last year just before her fourth birthday.

    Praia da Luz is the Bermuda Triangle for missing kidz. Fact!

    The Sun understands the mum had been urged by a doctor to avoid drink on holiday as she was on medication to combat alcohol-related problems and depression.

    How very understanding…

    But she ignored the advice, went out boozing and ended up needing hospital treatment.

    Some people. Tsk!

    Police handed her frightened daughter to a temporary care home in Faro. After being assessed there she was transferred to a children’s home in nearby Loule.

    A Portuguese children’s home…. Noooooo!

    Madeleine McCann: Accept no substitute…
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/188724.html

    Wat is er nu concreet bekend over alle verhoren van de Tapas9 en met name Jane Tanner en Kate McCann?
    Wat ik tot nu toe hebe gelezen is dat er dingen echt niet kloppen en dat er steeds meer stemmen opgaan die de verhalen in twijfel trekken maar is er dan nu zicht op een hernieuwd onderzoek?

    Tjonge je kunt niet eens een paar weekjes op vakantie zonder dat er een schat aan nieuwe info opduikt waar bijna niet door te komen is.....
    be nice or go away
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    Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kahaarin! Leuk je weer te lezen! Hopelijk heb je een mooie vakantie gahad.
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    Wat is er nu concreet bekend over alle verhoren van de Tapas9 en met name Jane Tanner en Kate McCann?
    Wat ik tot nu toe hebe gelezen is dat er dingen echt niet kloppen en dat er steeds meer stemmen opgaan die de verhalen in twijfel trekken maar is er dan nu zicht op een hernieuwd onderzoek?
    Hernieuwd onderzoek? Nee joh, met name fora en bloggers publiceren nu de eerste verklaringen, (allemaal hier te lezen) afgenomen op 4 mei 2007. Tot nu dus Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, Mike Oldfield, allemaal 's morgens en Kate McCann 's middags.. De rest volgt nog. En natuurlijk zitten daar verschillen tussen ondanks dat er tussen hen is overlegd. IMO komt er alleen een doorbraak als Madeleine wordt gevonden (in welke staat dan ook...helaas), of dat er iemand een keer gaat praten. En verder misschien een onderzoek wat betreft het Madeleine-fonds in de UK, mogelijk wordt er fraude geconstateerd. Maar hoogst waarschijnlijk zal niets van dit alles gebeuren. Er staan teveel belangen op het spel, inclusief lui aan de top in Portugal. Waarom anders laat de PJ zo het hoofd hangen en werden in korte tijd veel mensen vervangen. Bovendien wist Amaral echt teveel, hij was niet langer te handhaven binnen de PJ en ook de UK wilde hem weg hebben, wat na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown 2 uur later ook gebeurde. Ik heb een vermoeden dat Amaral daar niet rouwig om was nu hij voluit de feiten heeft beschreven (en deels waren te lezen in Portugese kranten en ook hier geplaatst) en er mogelijk nog een vervolg komt. Zoals hij de wereld al liet weten, het is geen politiezaak maar een politieke zaak.
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    En verder meldt Joana Morais:
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    Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol

    The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine’s biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24Horas Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine’s father, despite the fact that the couple has always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

    At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl’s paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter. The doubt about her paternity, according to 24Horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl’s disappearance.

    A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24Horas confirms that “concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is”.source: SOL online, 27.08.2008
    Dat is al langer onderwerp van discussie, vooral ook omdat de medische gegevens van Madeleine op verzoek van de PJ niet mochten worden ingezien. En natuurlijk die 81 pagina's uit de files, die via het hooggerechtshof aan de McCanns zijn gegeven en niemand anders krijgt te zien, inclusief dat gedoe dat Madeleine Ward of Court werd gemaakt, mogelijk al veel eerder zelfs, msschien al voor de vermissing. Laten wij ook niet vergeten dat de McCanns Madeleine wilde laten adopteren, of mogelijk bij familie wilde laten opgroeien.
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    Opvallend wat een aantal Britse kranten groot publiceren: British girl is taken from her mother after abandonment in the Algarve - Sol Een triest verhaal: "The news arrived at the pages of English newspaper ‘Daily Telegraph’ today, which remembers that in May, three British children were temporarily removed from their parents, on holidays in the Algarve, after the latter fainted in the hotel." Iets wat jij ook laat zien qua nieuws van Anorak. Je zou je lunnen afvragen waarom er nu zo openhartig over deze zaken wordt gepublceerd, iets wat ik eerder schreef: over het vermoorde 4-jarige meisje Rose in Israel, waarom niet Madeleine+ouders onderzoeken qua achtergronden. Of zijn dit hints richting de McCanns, ze weten het allemaal wel maar middels andere drama's met kinderen laten ze zo de McCanns weten en de lezer dat er dingen gaande zijn die absoluut niet deugen....tenslotte mag er kennelijk niets ten nadele over de McCanns geschreven worden, dan maar zo middels andere iets gelijksoortige trieste verhalen????

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    En dan nog even over die verklaringen van de McCanns + Janer Tanner en Mike Oldfield, ze verklaren gewoon die checks te hebben gedaan, hoe is dat dan te rijmen met de verklaring van buuv Mrs Fenn boven het apartement van de McCanns, uit het eindrapport van de PJ:
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    On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own.
    Bloody liars...
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    Best handig om wat puntjes op een rij te lezen die ook en daar in dit topic zijn geplaatst, uit de Portugese krant, The Online Resident:
    quote:
    MADELEINE FILES: Madeleine spent most days in Kids Club

    CHILD CARERS working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz noticed that the McCann children spent the maximum time available in the care of the resort’s kids club according to police files released to the media surrounding the case.

    The usual routine of Gerry and Kate McCann was to put the children in the nursery facility at about 9am and then pick them up between midday and 12.30pm to give the children lunch before bringing the children back at 3pm and returning at the end of the day between 5pm and 5.30pm.

    Other children in the tapas nine party would not spend as much time away from their parents.

    The other parents in the group, the files reveal, would normally leave their children with the baby sitting service only in the morning sessions.

    The police files also gives details about Madeleine’s personality as described by her father, Gerry and those that spent time with Madeleine while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

    Madeleine was described by Gerry as being an extrovert, very active and having happy relationships with other children.

    She would never go with a stranger and he states clearly that she was not taking any medication.

    In a statement made by one of the nannies working at the Ocean Club, Madeleine was described as being a calm, beautiful and happy child.

    However, she was portrayed as being more shy than the other children at the kids club.

    Meanwhile, reports in the British media have claimed that there is now less than 500,000 pounds sterling in the Find Madeleine fund.

    The private investigation agency Oakley International has reportedly cost the fund half a million pounds sterling, despite not yielding any concrete results.

    This had led to Brian Kennedy, the British double glazing tycoon who has donated large sums of money to the Find Madeleine campaign, voicing his dissatisfaction in the investigators.

    A statement was issued on behalf of the McCanns on Tuesday countering the claims in the press concerning the status of the private investigators via the website www.findmadeleine.com.

    “We appointed them (Oakley International) several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.”
    Niet te geloven toch, hoeveel tijd, vooral de twins (toen 18 maanden), in die Kids Club hebben doorgebracht. Kinderen hebben rustpunten op een dag nodig, ook Madeleine van nog geen 4 jr. En vreemd dat idd er verschillende beschrijvingen zijn van Madeleine, van verlegen tot hyperactief. Interessanter zou zijn als er eens keer in Rothey navraag wordt gedaan hoe Madeleine echt was, bij de Nanny en op school, maar ja, verboden gebied.

    En hoe de Britse pers de mond werd en wordt gesnoerd en hoe er ook aan wordt verdiend is te lezen op de site van Joana Morais: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Met een stukje van Joana Morais zelf, aka Xklamation:
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    "Note: As an example of how hypocrite some media editors and directors are I'll leave you with my own personal experience. My.Telegraph Blog was censored, all posts and comments except one were sent into a status of permanent limbo since May 2008 - they were not deleted nor published - the administration team at my.telegraph never gave me any reason for the censorship of my blog posts - just imagine that all free blog platforms would have censors telling you what NOT to write about?! Where my posts against my.telegraph rules? No. They were translated articles about the McCann Case. See for yourself - the version containing all the blogs posts and the Censored Version.

    Meanwhile we still want to believe that Great Britain has a free and democratic press....."
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      donderdag 28 augustus 2008 @ 12:49:46 #205
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Op woensdag 27 augustus 2008 20:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kahaarin! Leuk je weer te lezen! Hopelijk heb je een mooie vakantie gahad.
    Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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    Hernieuwd onderzoek? Nee joh, met name fora en bloggers publiceren nu de eerste verklaringen, (allemaal hier te lezen) afgenomen op 4 mei 2007. Tot nu dus Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, Mike Oldfield, allemaal 's morgens en Kate McCann 's middags.. De rest volgt nog. En natuurlijk zitten daar verschillen tussen ondanks dat er tussen hen is overlegd. IMO komt er alleen een doorbraak als Madeleine wordt gevonden (in welke staat dan ook...helaas), of dat er iemand een keer gaat praten. En verder misschien een onderzoek wat betreft het Madeleine-fonds in de UK, mogelijk wordt er fraude geconstateerd. Maar hoogst waarschijnlijk zal niets van dit alles gebeuren. Er staan teveel belangen op het spel, inclusief lui aan de top in Portugal. Waarom anders laat de PJ zo het hoofd hangen en werden in korte tijd veel mensen vervangen. Bovendien wist Amaral echt teveel, hij was niet langer te handhaven binnen de PJ en ook de UK wilde hem weg hebben, wat na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown 2 uur later ook gebeurde. Ik heb een vermoeden dat Amaral daar niet rouwig om was nu hij voluit de feiten heeft beschreven (en deels waren te lezen in Portugese kranten en ook hier geplaatst) en er mogelijk nog een vervolg komt. Zoals hij de wereld al liet weten, het is geen politiezaak maar een politieke zaak.
    Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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    Dat is al langer onderwerp van discussie, vooral ook omdat de medische gegevens van Madeleine op verzoek van de PJ niet mochten worden ingezien. En natuurlijk die 81 pagina's uit de files, die via het hooggerechtshof aan de McCanns zijn gegeven en niemand anders krijgt te zien, inclusief dat gedoe dat Madeleine Ward of Court werd gemaakt, mogelijk al veel eerder zelfs, msschien al voor de vermissing. Laten wij ook niet vergeten dat de McCanns Madeleine wilde laten adopteren, of mogelijk bij familie wilde laten opgroeien.
    Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
    quote:
    Opvallend wat een aantal Britse kranten groot publiceren: British girl is taken from her mother after abandonment in the Algarve - Sol Een triest verhaal: "The news arrived at the pages of English newspaper ‘Daily Telegraph’ today, which remembers that in May, three British children were temporarily removed from their parents, on holidays in the Algarve, after the latter fainted in the hotel." Iets wat jij ook laat zien qua nieuws van Anorak. Je zou je lunnen afvragen waarom er nu zo openhartig over deze zaken wordt gepublceerd, iets wat ik eerder schreef: over het vermoorde 4-jarige meisje Rose in Israel, waarom niet Madeleine+ouders onderzoeken qua achtergronden. Of zijn dit hints richting de McCanns, ze weten het allemaal wel maar middels andere drama's met kinderen laten ze zo de McCanns weten en de lezer dat er dingen gaande zijn die absoluut niet deugen....tenslotte mag er kennelijk niets ten nadele over de McCanns geschreven worden, dan maar zo middels andere iets gelijksoortige trieste verhalen????
    Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
    Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
    Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

    Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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    Madeleine McCann: Maddie For Rose Ron, Praia Da Luz Moves And Whacking Stephanie Bysh
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    THE SUN: “Hol mum of left girl faces jail”

    To Portugal…

    A BRITISH mum whose daughter was taken into care on holiday faces up to ten years in jail.

    It’s “cash-strapped Stephanie Bysh”.

    What do we know about here?

    She a brunette. And, as reported, she and one Ariella D’Gamo were “sleeping on the streets before a friend took them in. The worried pal took the eight-year-old girl to cops in Lagos, Portugal. She is now staying at a children’s home.”

    How does Madeleine McCann fit in?

    Bysh fled the resort — near where Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 — but collapsed with kidney problems in Portimao 15 miles away.

    That close, eh. Yesterday the incident was 25 miles from where our Maddie went missing. Such are the facts.

    DAILY MAIL: “Fears the ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’ has been killed by her own mother and grandfather”

    You mean Rose Ron’s grandfather who told police that he had killed the 4-year-old?

    What more of their Maddie?

    At its heart lies the bizarre love triangle in which little Rose’s grandfather fell in love with his son’s young bride and fathered two more daughters with her. Police say the grandfather has admitted killing the child and dumping her in a river, but no body has been found and there is no forensic evidence proving her death.

    Just like our Maddie, then? It’s uncanny.

    Ha’aretz (Israel): “’Sick twist’: World media plays up story of ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’”

    Rose Ron is missing. She’s been given the nickname Maddie…
    be nice or go away
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    Telefoonlijn voor Vermiste Kinderen
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    RIJSWIJK - Via het nieuwe landelijke telefoonnummer 116000 kunnen vooral buitenlandse ouders vanaf maandagmiddag 12.00 uur de vermissing of ontvoering van hun kind melden. Via dat nummer kunnen ze de hulp inroepen van de politie, het Rode Kruis of het Centrum Internationale Kinderontvoering (Centrum IKO).

    Volgens directeur Els Prins van Centrum IKO is het nummer vooral handig voor buitenlandse ouders omdat die het alarmnummer 112 van de politie niet kennen. Medewerkers van Centrum IKO bemannen de lijn tussen 09.00 en 22.00 uur. In de tussentijd is er een Engelstalig voicemailbericht te horen met andere telefoonummers.

    Het nummer is een initiatief van de Europese Commissie. Centrum IKO beheert de lijn en medewerkers schakelen door naar de politie als het vermoeden bestaat dat het kind is ontvoerd. Het Rode Kruis komt in beeld als een kind wordt vermist. Als blijkt dat een kind door een van de ouders of familieleden is meegenomen naar het buitenland, dan komt Centrum IKO in actie. Het onderzoekt dan de mogelijkheden om het kind terug te krijgen.

    Behalve in Nederland is het nummer vooralsnog alleen te bereiken in Griekenland en Tsjechië. Prins hoopt dat het aantal landen snel wordt uitgebreid. Het Rode Kruis opent zaterdag een Europese database voor het terugvinden van vermisten. De organisatie doet dat op de Internationale Dag van de Vermisten die zaterdag wordt gehouden. In de database worden namen opgenomen en met elkaar vergeleken.

    Het Rode Kruis krijgt elk jaar honderden verzoeken van mensen die familieleden kwijt zijn door natuurgeweld of conflicten. Vorig jaar waren dat er ongeveer 850. Tot nu toe benaderde het Rode Kruis medewerkers in landen waar de vermisten zich zouden bevinden. telegraaf.nl
    Let wel, dit is dus niet het Amber Alert Systeem van de McCanns maar is al in febr 2007 in gang gezet, zie eerdere post.

    (ik zie net je post Kahaarin. ff lezen )

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    Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 12:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
    [..]

    Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
    [..]

    Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
    [..]

    Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
    Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
    Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

    Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
    [..]
    Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...

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    Amaral's boek te krijgen in de UK! Blimey, gebruikt Clarence Mitchell soms software voor veel gebruikte standaard woorden of zo. Alweer staat er in onderstaand artikel, outrage en fresh heartache Boring Mitchell...Ik dacht eerder dat bij de zak had gekregen aangezien berichten over die good-for-nothing PI's niet van hem kwamen en de McCanns dat enigszins terugdraaide op hun eigen site, heel ongebruikelijk, kennelijk is het tussen hem en geldverstrekkerd Brian Kennediy en ook de McCanns weer bijgelegd...Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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    Maddie: Outrage at book Daily Star (no online link, appears in paper edition only)

    Cop accuses McCanns

    By Jerry Lawton 28 August 2008
    Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh heartache last night as a best-seller on the case hit Britain. Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

    They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers. Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files.

    One shows Kate and Gerry, both 40, and their holiday pals giving information about Madeleine at the scene just hours after she vanished. The police chief criticises the McCanns, their friends, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Leicestershire Police.

    Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This account has gross inaccuracies and is grossly defamatory. "The conclusions are entirely false. They suggest Kate and Gerry were involved in the death, accidental or otherwise, of Madeleine and covered it up."

    He added: "Mr Amaral and his publishers should not mistake a lack of action yet for any lack of long-term action. "He is presented as a world-class Madeleine expert but what does he know?


    "Do you know how many times he interviewed Kate and Gerry when he was on the case - not once!" Madeleine, now five, vanished from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year ago last May.
    Gaan we weer dreigen Mitchell??? Ik heb al gelezen dat Amaral zichzelf ernstig moet beschermen. En oh wat is het team McCann bang voor de files die straks voor iedereen zijn te lezen en Amaral's boek. En dat Amaral niet zelf de verhoren heeft afgenomen is als leider van het onderzoek niet zo vreemd, daar is personeel voor. Bovendien, Kate McCann weigerde iig een zooi vragen te beantwoorden, so...what's to know anyway... En natuurlijk weet Amaral alles en méér, waarom anders wilde Gordon Brown hem weg hebben? They are so scared, this McCann-clan... Let's have your second book Amaral...

    Oja...nog even dit, wat zei Amaral ook alweer: 'Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

    G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

    Focus – Are you going to sue the McCanns?

    G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.'

    IMO zullen de McCanns Amaral niet zo snel aanklagen, dan moeten ze nl bewijzen dat hij liegt...oeps.

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    Nige van mccannfiles heeft een staatje gemaakt nav de eerste verklaringen (dd 4-5-2007) van Kate en Gerry McCann:
    quote:
    Madeleine's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

    Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about Madeleine's movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

    Time Location
    07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation for Kids Club
    09:00 - 09:30 Gerry takes Madeleine to the Kids Club (Jane Tanner reports that Kate was at the tennis courts during this time with Dianne Webster)
    09:30 - 12:30 Kids Club activities
    12:30 - 13:30 Collected by parents for lunch in the apartment
    13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with parents (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
    14:40 - 17:00 Return to Kids Club
    17:00 - 17:30 Kids Club teatime, at the Tapas restaurant/bar, under the parents supervision. Based on current statements, it is unclear who collected Madeleine. Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging on the beach at 17:15.
    17:30 - 19:30 The usual routine suggests that Madeleine was allowed to play in the playground area beside the tennis courts, just outside the Tapas bar, under her parents supervision. Tired out, she would then be bathed and made ready for bed. We don't know if that happened on 03 May. But we do know, from CCTV evidence, that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May and that neither the McCanns, nor their children were there.
    18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and seen Madeleine in her pyjamas ready for bed. However, this crucial incident is not mentioned at all by Payne in his first police interview. Neither is it mentioned by anyone else, in the statements we've seen so far.
    19:30 - 20:00 Put to bed, with Kate and Gerry waiting until 20:30 before leaving for tapas restaurant and bar
    21:05 - 21:15 Observed to be asleep by Gerry McCann
    22:00 - 22:30 Reported missing by Kate McCann

    Kate McCann's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

    Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about their movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

    Time Location
    07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation of children for the Kids Club
    09:00 - 09:30 According to Jane Tanner, Kate arrives at the tennis courts at 09:00, with Dianne Webster, and waits for Tanner to finish her lesson at 09:30
    09:30 - 10:00 Kate has tennis lesson, with Tanner observing
    10:00 - 12:30 ???
    12:30 - 13:30 According to the usual routine, the children are collected for lunch back in the apartment - it is not specified who collected them on 03 May.
    13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with the children (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
    14:40 - 15:45 ??? - possibly preparing for/playing tennis with Gerry (see next entry)
    15:45 - 17:15 Observed by Jane Tanner to be playing tennis with Gerry at 15:45 - this is not mentioned by either Kate or Gerry in their statements, so it remains unclear when they started and finished.
    17:15 - 17:30 Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging alone on the beach at 17:15. This was the Kids Club teatime.
    17:30 - 19:30 ??? - We know from CCTV evidence that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May. Neither the McCanns, nor their children were there. In addition, neither Kate nor Gerry offer any clarity on their whereabouts beyond stating that the usual routine was for the children to play for a while in the playground beside the Tapas bar before being bathed and prepared for bed.
    18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and found her dressed only in a bath towel. This incident is not mentioned by either Kate or Payne in their first police interviews.
    19:30 - 20:30 The children put to bed. Kate and Gerry stay in their apartment to relax until 20:30. Kate took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with Gerry.
    20:30 - 22:00 At the Tapas bar/restaurant (Meal served at 21:00 according to Tanner)
    22:00 - 22:30 Undertakes 'check' on Madeleine and reports her missing
    Op FOK!:
    Snipper uit de verklaring van Gerry McCann op 4-5-2007
    Verklaring van Kate McCann op 4-5-2007
    Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com
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    David Payne's interview on 04 May 2007
    quote:
    David Payne's statements were taken the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007 at 14h45. As with all the others, David Payne was accompanied by a, "sworn," interpreter, A. Francisco M. The statement was recorded by inspector Patricia D.

    The words at the beginning of an interview are invariably the same. They are mandatory type words. They form the legal basis of the document. Recited often, they are like:

    "We, Patricia D., police inspector, in the service of the PJ, Portimao Section, note:"

    On the subject we are recording it is shown:

    That the interviewee made this statement voluntarily. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: Scarlett and Lily), Russell and Jane (children: Evie and Ella), Matthew and Rachael (child: Grace), Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).

    That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip.

    Concerning the days spent in Portugal, the interviewee describes them as being all very much the same. He states that his family, composed of his mother-in-law Diane, his wife Fiona and their two children, spent their days more independently than other members of the group. They were most often with the couple Russell and Jane.

    Concerning the remaining membes of the group, normally they got up and went for breakfast at the, "Millennium," restaurant, after which they left their children at the Kids Club and the adults went to do sports inside the tourist complex or they went to the beach. The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 20h45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

    In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

    Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed. During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

    Towards 22h00, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.

    That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom occupied by the children but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window.

    In answer to our question, the interviewee doesn't know how many times Madeleine left the tourist complex, but he knows she went, at least once, to the beach. That during the holiday, he saw nothing abnormal concerning the couple Gerry and Kate, neither with their children nor, notably, with Madeleine. In the context of the group, he noticed nothing abnormal. That during the whole holiday, and particularly during the day and the night yesterday, nothing unusual happened in the tourist complex, which attracted his attention, or which could be correlated with Madeleine's disappearance.

    He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved. Madeleine's parents are very sociable people, known by lots of people, kind and affectionate. Madeleine is indeed the daughter of both of the couple. She was wanted and is the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation. There was no difference in treatment between Madeleine and the twins. He doesn't know if Madeleine suffers from any illness, nor if she is on medication. He has nothing more to say that could help the progress of the investigation.
    Ongelofelijk hoe deze verklaringen zo erg op elkaar lijken, IMO is daar goed overleg over geweest....Ook David Payne (net als Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield eerder) maakt geen melding van het feit dat hij op 3 mei Madeleine fysiek heeft gezien, iets wat wel door Gerry McCann is verklaard n de BBC-docu: "At 6.30 Gerry McCann asks a friend, David Payne, to pop in on Kate to see if the children are coming down. He goes to the flat, he says all is well, but the children are too tired and are already in their pyjamas." En ook in de Daily Mail: "The source said: "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. "He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. "I expect it was said [by Gerry] as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'."

    En verder beschrijft Amaral in zijn boek een nogal pijnlijke scène waarbij David Payne (tijdens een eerdere vakantie) tegen Gerry MacCann een nogal sexueel getint gebaar maakt mbt tot Madeleine. Waargenomen door 2 bevriende dokters.

    Op FOK!:
    Verklaring van Jane Tanner op 4-5-2007
    Verklaring van Mike Odfield op 4-5-2007
    Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com

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      vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 11:51:51 #210
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61216478
    quote:
    Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 13:21 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...
    Goedemorgen!

    Wishfull thinking ftw!

    De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

    Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
    quote:
    OAP believes Bankies can help find Maddie
    By Julie Gilbert
    Print Article A PENSIONER is hoping he can inspire divine intervention in the case of Madeleine McCann — via an appeal in the Clydebank Post.

    Robert Darroch, 75, has made several appeals in the Post’s letters page over the past 20-years asking readers to pray for people missing or being held captive.

    And miraculously, or coincidentally, soon after publication there have been some very positive outcomes.

    Remembering these past successes, Robert is now asking Bankies to spare a thought and a prayer for Madeleine in the hope the pattern continues.

    Robert told the Post: “Over a period of four years in the late eighties and early nineties I regularly asked the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer for Terry Waite, held captive in Lebanon, and other captives in letters to the Post.

    “Almost every time my letter was published the captives were freed.

    “For example on February 21, 1991, I predicted, regarding hostages, that ‘the bumper harvest will come this year’ at a prayer meeting in St Stephen’s Church in Dalmuir.

    “On August 8 I repeated the prediction in the Clydebank Post.

    “Between August and December eight captives, including Terry Waite, were freed during harvest months.”

    Robert believes strongly in the power of prayer and travels around churches in Britain praying and encouraging others to pray for good causes and for peace.

    The Parkhall man said: “I go to different churches every Sunday. I’m a Catholic myself but I’ve been to two thousand two hundred churches covering fifty denominations in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. My record is attending seven services on the same day in Clydebank. I am trying to break down sectarian barriers.”

    Robert has been travelling around churches sending out appeals for 27 years.

    He has had similar success sending out appeals in newspapers in other parts of Britain.

    He said: “In the early nineties I went to six services in Enniskillen in Northern Ireland and silently prayed for peace. The local newspaper interviewed me and I said I predict there will be movement towards peace before a year. That year the IRA called a ceasefire.

    “There’s no halo above my head but there are times when I suspect that somebody up there either likes me or is getting me mixed up with somebody else.”

    Readers will be very aware Robert’s hopes and prayers for Madeleine McCann have not been successful to date, and that is why he appealing in the Post. He said: “I want to see if the same thing happens as before. Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response.

    “May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found.”
    Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

    Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
    be nice or go away
      vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 21:34:21 #211
    159353 Tmaatje
    turrrbotrut
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    Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
    FOK!'s rode weduwe.
    pi_61233128
    quote:
    Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Goedemorgen!

    Wishfull thinking ftw!

    De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

    Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
    [..]

    Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

    Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
    Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...

    En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
    quote:
    Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 21:34 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
    Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
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      zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 12:33:55 #213
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    keek op mijn week ( © DJ11)
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    Als ik het zo lees moet het voor de kinderen geen leuke vakantie zijn geweest. Ik ben net een weekje weggeweest met mijn kinderen (6 en 4 jaar) en daar was ook zo'n kinderanimatieteam. Mijn kinderen vind dat dus echt niet leuk. Ze hebben 1x een half uurtje meegedaan met de knutselclub onder voorwaarde dat ik er bij bleef en mijn zoontje heeft 1x meegedaan met de voetbalwedstrijd, maar toen moesten we natuurlijk ook wel blijven om te kijken. Verder wilden ze niks weten van het speciale kinderprogramma. Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat het bij die Mark Warnerclubs een stuk professioneler en leuker was, maar ik kan het me haast niet voorstellen.
    Echt triest om te lezen dat de kinderen zo op de tweede plaats terechtkwamen. En ook nergens voor nodig. Met zoveel volwassenen kun je het best regelen dat zowel de ouders als de kinderen aan hun trekken komen tijdens de vakantie.
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
    pi_61243450
    Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...

    Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
    quote:
    Fiona Payne's interview on 04 May 2007

    Fiona's interview was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

    On the subject in hand we note that:

    The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine. She is married to David who is also on the trip. She has known the child's parents for around seven years. She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David. The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years. The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old. The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.

    They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus. After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

    The routines

    Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 08h15/08h30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections. In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment. At around 15h30/16h00, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 18h00/19h00. Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.

    Dinner

    During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom. Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 15h45 and came back around 18h15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 19h00. Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 20h00. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 20h45, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. The McCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

    The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, left the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok. During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

    Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

    The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

    Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep. Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

    During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add. After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.
    Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

    De eerdere verklaringen zijn op mccannfiles terug te lezen.

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    Oh oh, dit commentaar in The Guardian is hilarisch! Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
    quote:
    Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier Irish Independent
    By John Boland Saturday August 30 2008
    Extract from TV review column:

    (...) Then I switched channels.

    I should have done the same with Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier (TV3), though I stayed with it because: a) a home-made documentary from TV3 is a rare sighting and b) it was so boring and meaningless that I was too numbed to reach for the remote.

    At the outset, writer-producer Jerome Hughes promised revelations about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who, according to the solemn-toned narrator, was "the most recognised missing person in the world". Well, least recognised, I'd say, given that nobody has yet found her. But let that pass because apparently TV3 was about to give us the lowdown on the "secret files" compiled by the Portuguese police.

    These files, in fact, are now in the public domain, but let that pass, too, because TV3 assured us that it was about to reveal sensational new information. Except, of course, that there was nothing of the remotest interest to reveal, and so the filmmakers resorted instead to trawling through footage we'd all seen and heard a zillion times before during the relentless media coverage of this case.

    To pad matters out even further, the makers enlisted a couple of Irish experts, including retired garda Michael Kirwan, whose specialist subject, in the words of Basil Fawlty, was the bleeding obvious. "Every sighting has to be checked," Michael informed us. "There's a possibility," he later told us, "that the kidnappers panicked and killed the wee child." Gosh, I hadn't thought of that one. At the end the narrator conceded that "we still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann, why she disappeared or where she is now". But he didn't tell us why TV3 thought this worthy of an hour-long programme.
    Well well, why don't you read some fora and blogs on the internet M. John Boland, besides that, these files are in the public domain soon, very soon... Also, one or more of your colleges of The Guardian are in the possession of all these files, on dvd, you can ask if you can see them Mr. John Boland. But you won't do you...

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      zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:11:34 #216
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61245366
    quote:
    Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 22:12 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...
    Hey hoi hallo!
    Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

    Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
    Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
    quote:
    En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
    CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen.

    Ik begin ook steeds meer te vermoeden dat het een cover up is voor een ongeluk, er is gewoon te veel verklaard dat niet klopt met de feiten. hoe dan ook er wordt gelogen, gedraaid en gespind....
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    Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
    Hey Tmaatje, bij BOL.COM staat hij nog niet, ook niet bij verwachtte boeken, ik houd het ook in de gaten.
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Stephanie Bysh And Ariella Encroach On Praia Da Luz
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    STEPHANIE Bysh is mother to Ariella d’Gama, who has passed a while in a children’s home.

    What has it got to do with Madeleine McCann. Well, get this:

    DAILY MAIL: “British mother whose daughter was taken into care by Portuguese police after she ‘went out drinking’”

    A British man told police that her mother Stephanie Bysh, 44, had been ‘drinking heavily’… The town is five miles from Praia da Luz, where missing toddler Madeleine McCann disappeared in May last year from a rented apartment.

    Yes, just five miles.

    Yesterday, it was all just 15 miles from where our Maddie went missing.

    The day before that it was all occuring 25 miles from Praia da Luz.

    Anorak estimates that inside week, little Ariella will be actually inside the apartment used by the McCanns that fateful trip…

    Such are the facts…
    bron
    be nice or go away
      zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:18:47 #217
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61245519
    quote:
    Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 13:22 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...
    Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
    quote:
    Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:

    Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

    Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

    De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
    be nice or go away
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    Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:11 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    Hey hoi hallo!
    Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

    Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
    Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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    CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen. [quote]Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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    Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

    De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
    Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

    Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty." Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
    Ha ha, ja dat artikel/commentaar op Anorak is inderdaad geweldig, één van de betere imo. Mooi dat jij ook uitkijkt of het boek van Amaral hier uitkomt!

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      zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 23:56:01 #219
    798 voyeur
    bemoeit zich
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    Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 22:56 schreef Suko het volgende:

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    Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

    Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. [b]They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty."[/b] Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
    Ha ha, ja dat artikel/commentaar op Anorak is inderdaad geweldig, één van de betere imo. Mooi dat jij ook uitkijkt of het boek van Amaral hier uitkomt!

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    Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

    Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
    Here we are now, entertain us.
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    Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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    Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

    Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
    Hoooooi Voyeur , ik geloof dat veel mensen deze zaak nog wel in 't hoofd hebben...zolang er over wordt gepubliceerd (alleen in de Portugese pers), zoals de eerste verklaringen de dag na de vermissing en de reacties daarop op voornamelijk op fora en blogs, tot zolang zal het nog wel actueel blijven. Team McCann heeft niet zoveel te melden, alleen wat loze dreigementjes richting Amaral, wiens boek nu idd in Londen te koop is. "Mr Amaral's concise testimony is simply written and crystal clear. You'll be pleased to know it's reached London distributors." Bron Ze gaan hem echt niet aanklagen, dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er in dat boek niet klopt...

    Wat die foto's betreft zoals Bridget O'Donnel beschrijft, ik weet niet of die echt bestaan omdat er twijfel is dat of zij op die middag van 3 mei daadwerkelijk de McCanns bij het zwembad heeft gesproken, you know, er moeten statements (bewijzen) worden verzameld omdat men nog steeds met de vraag zat en zit van die missing 6 of 7 uren voor de vermissing. Gerry en Kate melden in de eerste verklaringen niets over deze Bridget, ook niet dat David Payne even binnenwipte bij Kate. De rest van die Tapasvrienden beschrijven ook geen fsyieke aanwezigheid van Madeleine op die dag. En nanny Charlotte Pennington heeft in het stof moeten bijten, ze beweerde eerst: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents."It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all." Daily Mail op 25 September 2007 Maar dat was nadat kranten begonnen te schrijven dat niemand Madeleine die middag had gezien.

    Maaaaaar, schrijft Nige op z'n site: "Of course, Pennington subsequently destroyed this story on the Dispatches programme, that was aired on Channel 4 on 18 October 2007, when she admitted that she hadn't seen Madeleine or the McCanns after lunchtime on 03 May 2007. So, what happens? On the very day the Dispatches programme was aired, for which the McCanns would almost certainly have had a pre-screening, the Daily Mail reveals exclusively that Gerry had asked David Payne to pop by the apartment and check on Kate.

    The 'source' told the Mail, "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. I expect it was said (by Gerry) as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'.The 'missing 7 hours' that Pennington had just blown a huge hole in was instantly filled in again!"

    Link naar het transscript: Channel 4: Dispatches 'Searching For Madeleine' De video's van dit programma zijn vanzelfsprekend niet meer te zien....Man man, wat een ge-etter om maar te proberen te verklaren dat Madeleine wel is gezien, door David Payne, omdat Pennigton's verhaal in elkaar klapte.... En zo heb ik meerdere tegenstrijdigheden gelezen maar het voert te ver deze allemaal op te sommen...

    The Times schrijft, September 29, 2007: "The respected Diario de Noticias newspaper said that officers believed that Mrs McCann accidentally killed Madeleine while her husband was playing tennis. The child’s body then “passed through various locations” before going into the boot of the car hired by her parents 25 days later, it reported. As a result, detectives want to inspect fridges at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying with a group of seven British adults."

    Opvallend is dat Amaral dit scenario in The Times, veel later, zo ongeveer in z'n boek beschrijft, behalve dat Madeleine mogelijk een tijd in een leeg huizenblok verbleef, na wat omzwerfingen. Ze waren met het onderzoek best al ver gekomen ondanks de tegenwerking maar toen werd alles gestopt en Amaral van de zaak gehaald.

    Interessante observatie, naar aanleiding van het volgende artikel: Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol
    Re: The paternity question
    En een nogal boze maar toch begrijpelijke reactie: 29/08/08 Maddie Predators v. Money Predators

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    Ik las net een nogal ontluisterend en zéér lezenswaardig artikel van George Moréas, een Frans schrijver en voormalig Judiciary Police Inspector, er staat één foutje in, Brian Kennedy is geen Amerikaan maar uit de UK, uit Edinburgh:
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    30/08/08 The Mysterious Disappearance of Madeleine McCann by Georges Moréas
    POLICEtcetera
    Le blog de Georges Moréas (French)

    George Moréas is an acclaimed book author and former French Judiciary Police Inspector

    Translated to English by AnnaEsse from News From My Big Desk
    Spanish Translation by Mercedes from Hasta que se Sepa La Verdad

    The mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann

    Madeleine McCann, called Maddie, was nearly four years old. On the evening of May 3rd 2007, she disappeared from her bedroom in a luxury tourist complex, the Ocean Club, in the south of Portugal, where she was supposed to have been sleeping.

    No one knows what has become of her since. Recently, the press echoed a statement from the Portuguese prosecutor: case closed. This news is probably unfounded. How can a magistrate, a police officer, allow the closing of a case without thinking of the victim, a child, almost a baby. And if she were alive!...The confusion comes, no doubt, from the order that there were no grounds to prosecute the three suspects.

    THE FACTS: The Ocean Club tourist complex is a collection of buildings comprising a residential block, two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millennium, tennis courts, beach, etc.

    On this evening, the McCanns are dining with their friends at the Tapas restaurant. At around 10pm, Kate McCann gets up from the table to go and see her children, as she usually does, to reassure herself that everything is fine. Her two little ones, the twins, are sound asleep, in their cots, in the living room*. Her daughter's bedroom door is not closed, which surprises her. She goes in: the window is open, the shutters are raised, Maddie has disappeared. (*It does say, "salon, and appears to be saying that Madeleine is in a different room from the twins. I have translated as it stands. )

    She rushes back to the restaurant to alert her husband. Together they go back to the apartment, accompanied by their friends, and they only arrive at the obvious. So, they set out to explore the surrounding area.

    This is the situation discovered by the first police officers on the spot. Everything leads them to believe that the child has run off. She may not be far away. Searches are organised.

    Shortly afterward, the PJ director for Lisbon, receives a call on his mobile phone from the British ambassador. His caller asks him if he is aware that a British child has disappeared.....He goes into action. You can imagine the torrent of phone calls that follows this intervention.

    THE INITIAL FINDINGS: There is no disorder in the bedroom where the child was sleeping. The bed is not disturbed. There is no evidence of a break-in, neither on the window, nor on the shutters, nor on the door. A local enquiry turns up witnesses, Irish holiday-makers, who say that shortly after 10 o'clock, they saw a man carrying a child, whose description corresponds perfectly to Madeleine's: face, hair, clothes. Now there is hardly any doubt: this is an abduction. The alert is put out.

    THE PJ'S INVESTIGATION: The PJ officers collect witness statements from hundreds of people, and as a priority, from the parents and their friends. Very quickly, they come across certain contradictions between them. For example, a woman states that she went past the apartment earlier in the evening and noticed that the bedroom shutters were closed. But, Kate McCann states the window was open and the shutters pushed up. And the investigators find no evidence of tampering.

    Furthermore, the shutters can only be opened from the inside. Can you imagine an individual entering by the door, using a pick lock, and going out through through the window, with his victim, after having opened the shutters? And also, the child's bed is not disturbed, as though no one has slept in it. Intrigued, the police officers examine the mobile phones of each of the McCanns: the call history has been erased. Astonishing to think of emptying the memory of your mobile phone when your child has just been kidnapped! But the PJ officers are struggling to do their job. The pressure quickly becomes unbearable.

    Little Maddie disappeared on the Thursday evening. On the Friday, the British ambassador, John Buck, is on the spot, accompanied by big-shot police officers and lawyers. And on the Saturday, three British police officers arrive in their turn, in theory to assist their Portuguese colleagues. The contact is not good. The local police officers feel belittled. However, having been involved with the training of Portuguese police officers, I can guarantee that they have no reason to envy either the French or the British - except perhaps certain technical resources.

    The working conditions are as follows: 150 Portuguese police officers, three British police officers, authorities, diplomats, and journalists...everywhere. Not the ideal for an investigation. On the Saturday, the PJ director from Faro, tells the press: "It is an abduction." At the same time the McCann couple launch their desperate appeal before the television cameras. It is even said that the police are holding a sketch of the kidnapper, but it will not be published to avoid putting the child's life at risk. A little late, no, to think of the young victim!

    During this political, media-staged bustling, the head of the investigation, Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral begins to entertain another possibility. He thinks the McCanns' behaviour is not, "natural." Otherwise, why refuse to participate in a reconstruction of the evening? He finds that certain witness statements do not correspond and that it is becoming impossible to determine where anyone was at any time. Thus, an implausible detail emerges when the Irish witness indicates that after seeing Gerry McCann on television, he positively identified him: this was the man he saw with Maddie in his arms, on the Thursday, at around 10pm. Yes, but at that time, the child's father was in the restaurant with his friends...

    Amaral is skeptical. He feels that there is a certain degree of connivance amongst this group of friends. Would they be lying? He goes back to the initial findings and he examines the places from a different angle - as he would do it for a crime scene. The little girl's death becomes the working hypothesis for the investigators.

    EVIDENCE OR PRESUMPTIONS: A suspect is arrested. He is a British national living a hundred metres from the leisure centre. I will not give his name as he has taken action against newspapers which said, "certain things," about him, and the press barons backed down. It is said that he banked 750,000¤.

    Meanwhile, dogs trained to detect certain odours, notably those of blood or cadavers, are brought in. They detect traces inside the apartment, in the couple's bedroom and in the dining room; as well as outside the building. More disquieting, the dogs alert on the child's soft toy and on clothes belonging to her mother. The dogs are placed near a car rented by theMcCanns , and they sniff suspicious odours there too. But this vehicle was actually hired after the little girl's disappearance! On the other hand, the dogs detect nothing, either in the car of the British man under investigation, or at his home.

    The vice tightens on the McCanns.

    In the places marked by the dogs, minute organic fragments are gathered for DNA comparison with Madeleine's (from samples of saliva on her bed covers). The analyses are done in Great Britain. When the results come out, there is no longer any doubt: There are 15 identical markers in the two DNAs. It is the little girl.

    At the beginning of September, the McCann couple are placed under investigation, but left at liberty. The press reports that they are suspected of having concealed their daughter's body after an accidental death - there is talk of the administration of a sedative that was too powerful (the parents are both doctors) - and that they would have got rid of it afterward by transporting it in a vehicle rented for that purpose.

    Meanwhile, this case has taken on an international dimension. The McCanns have called the English Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the investigation is followed more closely by the governments of both countries. The press is unleashed. The parents set themselves up as the victims of a bigoted, even backward, police force. The British newspapers really lay into the investigators, who are looking at the parents instead of searching for the missing child. The English police officers, who are involved with the investigation (and who, in theory, have no power to intervene) do nothing to put things right. The public is gripped by this mysterious story - charged with emotion. A support fund is set up. Brian Kennedy, an American Millionaire offers his services.

    He takes on the costs of the lawyers and the private investigators. It's even said that he goes to meet some of the witnesses. Does that have anything to do with the fact that afterwards most of them refused to go back and participate in a reconstruction? The atypical Virgin boss also puts his hand in his pocket. It is interesting to note that all this energy, all this money, is essentially used to defend the suspects.

    New DNA research is carried out by the forensic laboratories in Birmingham, taking the opposite view to the first evaluation. It is said that the samples harvested (by the Portuguese police) were allegedly mixed...

    Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral requests another other evaluation. Impossible, the English tell him, the samples have been destroyed, or lost, we don't exactly know, by the laboratory. Amaral can't take any more. All this hooha , this persistent pressure from the bosses, political authorities, the media, is preventing him from working properly. He is taken to task, criticised, watched closely...Even his British colleagues are causing trouble for him. Exasperated, he lets go in the press. It is a mistake, because his bosses jump at the chance. He is transferred.

    Gonçalo Amaral has written a book, "The Truth of the Lie," which is out now in Portugal. Bet there will be some interesting details in it. At least if it is translated into French. Will the press, already scalded by this case, pick up on it? Not certain! The McCanns have clearly implied that their lawyers were ready to take action.

    To go back to the DNA, in France, unless I am mistaken, 13 identical markers between two DNA profiles, is sufficient in law. So, if the events had taken place here, first of all the evaluation would not have been done in Great Britain, but in a French laboratory, and then the McCanns would have been placed under investigation and most certainly placed in preventive detention - and only the judge would have been able to decided on a second evaluation.

    Which goes to show that scientific evidence, even the most sophisticated, doesn't depend on a mathematical formula, but on human judgement.

    THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARENTS: I must say that the behaviour of the McCanns compared to that of other parents placed in such a painful situation is....different. From the start, they looked down on the Portuguese police officers. They lied on certain points and right away, they looked for support from their country's authorities. As if they felt threatened! Were they caught up in the media machine? The support fund which they set up (and which can be found on Google's business pages) collected around 1.5 million euros. However, one of the first expenses incurred by that fund was to make two monthly payments concerning the purchase of their house. It is said that 600,000 euros was paid out to settle the fees of private detectives, who turned out to be crooks. One of them even stated that he had infiltrated a Belgian paedophile network... In their defence, they have guaranteed that they have not used that money to pay the fees of the lawyers who are covering their defence.

    These folks have mobilised around themselves so many people, so many of the smart set we might say, from politics and business.....that we can only wonder. Are they part of a network? Of a lodge? Of a sect? Of a clan?....

    THE STATE OF THE INVESTIGATION: The McCann couple not having requested the continuation of the investigation, it is officially over. As things stand, there is a 4 year-old kid, probably dead; and three suspects who have been let off. One, the neighbour, suspected because of his past, but against whom there seems to be no evidence; and the parents...

    There is evidence that they lied in their first statements to the police, notably about how they spent their time, apparently in connivance with their friends. They couldn't explain the presence of traces of blood or cadaver odour, particularly in the vehicle they had hired, three weeks after the events. Even if in law the second DNA evaluation negates the first, it is not entirely convincing. The experts are happy to conclude that they cannot use the gathered samples they were sent, because they were contaminated. And even if we consider that the two evaluations were contradictory, which one should we believe? The destruction of the samples makes any confirmation impossible.

    And after this hullabaloo, Maddie joins the long list of missing children.



    CONCLUSION: Everyone can think what they like, but Portuguese law considers that there is no charge against anyone, not any proof, not any evidence. They have, "archived," the case, as they say there.

    It is astonishing. But I believe it's a good way to start over in a more calm way. In fact, nothing is stopping the investigators from, "discreetly," continuing their investigations. Portuguese procedure allows the reopening of the case at any moment, if someone brings a new element to it.

    What is striking in this case, is that there is a lot of talk about money and very little about the young victim. Finally, one of the suspects pocketed 750,000 ¤ handed over by certain newspapers to avoid action for defamation, and the other two, the parents, have collected 1.5 million euros in a support fund. Not to mention the money spent by wealthy patrons. As for the Portuguese police officers, they were ridiculed.

    It must stick in their throats... I'll bet they are not ready to forget it. by Joana Morais
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      maandag 1 september 2008 @ 12:20:55 #222
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    You are my sunshine......
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    Goedemiddag!

    Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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    Exclusive: Portuguese police turned down British help to find Maddy
    By Jon Clements Crime Correspondent 1/09/2008



    Maddy McCann's parents
    Portuguese police turned down an offer to help find Madeleine McCann from Britain's most senior murder investigator, it has emerged.

    Durham Chief Constable John Stoddart wanted to send a team of elite detectives to Praia da Luz after she went missing in 2007.

    But Stoddart, chair of the Association of Chief Police Officers' Homicide Working Group, was "disappointed" when the Policia Judiciaria vetoed the idea.

    He said: "I would like to have sent a team out there to provide some support to the investigation team.

    "I'm disappointed that we couldn't help out. I think we would have provided some expert advice and support."

    The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is not surprising. However, our own investigations continue and we are following up several leads."
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    Op maandag 1 september 2008 12:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Goedemiddag!

    Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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    Goeiemiddag Kahaarin en meelezers. Ach ja, de Britse media weigeren in de files te duiken en te distilleren wat er allemall niet klopt, lijkt Rusland wel! En idd wat een l*lbericht in The Mirror, vooral als men beseft dat men helemaal niet gericht was én is naar het zoeken van Madeleine, zij moet vooral niet gevonden worden...imo, de restanten, sorry dat dit hard overkomt maar dat is zelfs wat de PJ denkt/meent. What a scam...

    Op de site van Joana Morais staat nu een filmpje over dat fonds, dat wisten we al wel natuurlijk maar nuttig omdat toch weer even te zien....01/09/08 Filmpje duurt 4 min. 12 Het fonds werd op 15 mei 2007 geregistreerd, maar het opzetten van de website werd al op 6 mei, nog geen 3 dagen na de vermissing, in gang gezet: "On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as xxx.bringmadeleinehome.com." Bron Ipv www heb ik kruisjes neergezet, ik promoot geen bezoekersaantallen naar hun site...

    En hoe de site ook alweer werd opgezet: 'Sol then spoke to Callum McRae who set up and admisnisters the website. "On the findmadeleine.com site there is an online store, where Gerry and Kate sell yellow rubber bracelets and textile bands, to help finance the cause. Callum McRae, the author of the site, says it was the couple’s idea. Speaking to SOL, McRae explains that the child’s aunt, Philomena McCann, asked him to create the internet page, just two days after the girl went missing. “She knew exactly what she wanted”, says Callum McRae, who created the contents in just one day.The McCann’s internet page also publicizes several fundraising events, all taking place in the UK, and some planned over 60 days ahead. To SOL, McRae, who was a student of Madeleine’s aunt in highschool, did not want to specify whether his work on the site is paid by the fund or not: “I’m not authorized to speak about that”. Bron

    IMO, dan heb je ook geen plannen Madeleine te zoeken als je zelfs een soort winkeltje op de site zet, binnen een paar dagen ná de vermissing...

    En verder: "According to an official of the Portuguese editor "Guerra e Paz", the book Gonçalo Amaral, the former head of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, will be published in Italian and Dutch." http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/

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    Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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    Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
    Hoi Livelink, dat is ook één van de pijnlijke kwesties hieromtrent, naast natuurlijk de dood (IMO) van Madeleine, vanaf het begin waren mensen van hogerop er bij betrokken. Het voert te ver dat allemaal weer op te sommen maar de banden van Gerry McCann met de Britse overheid zijn stevig, bevriend met de broer van Gordon Brown, Andrew Brown. The Times: "Gordon Brown's younger brother Andrew is director of communications for the French power group in the UK. > EDF has been at the forefront of campaigning for new nuclear stations." En die broer heeft ook warme banden met de BBC en dus vermoederlijk ook met Clarence Mithell, ook voorheen BBC-journo. Gerry zelf was een verwoed Labour campaigner en hij heeft een medisch advies-functie voor de Britse overheid bij Comare (banden met EDF, dus Andew Brown).

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    En dan nu de eerste verklaring van Tapasvriendin Rachel Oldfield, de echtgenote van Mike Oldfield. dd 4-5-2007 en wel 's avonds om 19h20. < Handig voor overleg met manlief die 's morgens om 11h30 een verklaring mocht afleggen. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com, waar alle verklaringen zijn te vinden en up to date gehouden naarmate er meer verklaringen uit het Portugees worden vertaald en gepubliceerd:
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    Rachael Oldfield's interview on 04 May 2007

    Interview with Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly (Oldfield).

    On the subject we note that.

    Being a British citizen and not understanding the Portuguese language, in spoken or written form, the undersigned was accompanied by a sworn translator: Filipa M.C.S. The interview begins at 19h20 on May 4th 2007.

    Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They traveled from London to Faro airport with their daughter Grace, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:

    * The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, Ella aged three and a half and Evie aged 19 months.
    * David and Fiona Payne with their daughters Lily aged three years and Scarlett aged 12 months.
    * Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years.

    Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.

    The holiday was organised because the men in the group are all doctors, apart from Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.

    The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus. There were other people on the bus apart from the group. They were put up at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

    The couples had their own, individual apartments, at the same complex, with their respective children. Since their arrival until yesterday evening, when Madeleine disappeared, the days have all been the same.

    After breakfast, taken between 08h00 and 09h00 in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

    After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11h00 and 12h00. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, Grace, for lunch. She made Grace's lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch on the beach.

    All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Baptiste."

    She never saw any suspicious attention, or ever had suspicions about anybody she came across, either in their independent activities or in the group with their children.

    Her relationship with the couple, Gerry and Kate, is one of good friendship and they meet up occasionally at celebrations, weddings and birthdays.

    Concerning Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.

    TAPAS

    They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 60 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance.

    Yesterday, at around 08h45, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

    After placing their orders, at around 09h15, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

    Between the starters and the main course, at around 09h30, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

    Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, Evie, who was crying.

    They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.

    At around 10h00, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. The surrounding area was combed after having checked that Madeleine was not hiding in the apartment. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move.

    The interviewee has nothing else to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

    The interviewee remembers that Kate said the window at the front of the apartment was open, the shutters raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.
    En verder heeft Clarence Mitchell een nieuwe baan voor een jaar: McCanns' spokesman to join Freud Communications met wat gerelateerde artikelen over de connecties tussen dit bedrijf en media-tycoon Rupert Murdoch, eigenaar van onder meer SKY en nog tig andere media-bedrijven.

    Oveigens blijft Mitchell nog wel pr-man voor de McCanns en tevens andere vermiste kindjes: "He will continue to advise the McCanns, parents of missing child Madeline McCann, on a monthly retainer basis." Bron Zou Mitchell nog wel op de payroll staan bij Brian Kennedy....? Toch wat barstjes binnen het team McCann?

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    Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.

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      dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 13:18:37 #228
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    Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:25 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.
    Goedemiddag!

    En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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    Madeleine McCann: GMTV Tears To Entertain, Jade Goody And Clarence Mitchell PR
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY MIRROR: “Real victims who reduced me to tears”

    Fiona Philips – ‘the woman with the whitest teeth and yellowest hair in daytime telly’ – “on GMTV heartaches and meltdowns”

    Fiona Philips is fighting the tears as Helen Newlove, whose husband Garry has been murdered, is sat on the sofa to tell her story.

    Tears are the new laughter.

    She has quizzed everyone from Prime Ministers to popstars, but it has been real people like Helen, those who have achieved the extraordinary or faced tragedy and heartache, who have had the biggest impact on her.

    Are you crying yet? GMTV – Greally Moving Television.

    Kate and Gerry McCann’s visit to publicise the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Sara Payne’s tireless campaigning since her daughter Sarah’s murder. And Mark Prince, dad of promising young footballer Kiyan, 15, who was stabbed to death in May 2006.

    Cry. Cry. Cry.

    “Meeting people like that is very humbling,” she says. “They are what have kept me in the job for so long. Just seeing the McCanns made me feel tearful.”

    Where’s there’s tears, there’s brass…

    “I went in to see Kate while she was in makeup and I could barely find the words. I just said: ‘I don’t know what to say.’ You can actually see the tragedy in their demeanour. They carry it with them wherever they go. They are parents who are grieving and Kate is remarkable. I have no idea how she’s managed to cope.”

    Cry. Like Heather Mills…

    “We sat down in the dressing room and she poured her heart out about everything. The vilification of her and all the frustrations of her relationship with Sir Paul. “Heather had been pushed to the edge. It was shocking, awful to see someone break down like that. She was talking and talking and I had to get back to the sofa and get on with my job. In the end I said: ‘Heather, I’ve really got to go.’ And she left.

    Crying…

    Although horrified by Jade Goody’s behaviour on Celebrity Big Brother last year, Fiona has been moved by news that the reality star is battling cervical cancer.

    Next on GMTV, we have Jeremiah… Where’s it hurt, Jerry..?

    DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCanns’ man now speaks for Freud. Kate and Gerry McCann’s once ubiquitous spokesman - has accepted a job with a PR company”

    Clarence Mitchell gets work. It’s all PR, you know…

    “I’m going to specialise in crisis management for a range of clients which might include businesses, football clubs or even showbiz personalities,” says the former BBC reporter. “I want to broaden out my portfolio of interests.”

    Do you have a problem? Are you in crisis? Call Clarence and he’ll do the PR (POA)…

    “Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn’t needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense,” he says.

    NEW SCIENTIST: “Genetic data withdrawn amid privacy concerns”

    A new method of forensic DNA analysis has created an unexpected headache for scientists investigating the genetic roots of common diseases.

    David Craig of the Translational Genomics Research Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, has designed a statistical method that allows the identification of individual DNA profiles from a mixture of DNA of more than 1000 people.

    The danger is that the method allows possible violations of the privacy of volunteers in genetic studies. To avoid this, research organisations led by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) have abruptly pulled genome data from off the web.

    Craig’s method uses sophisticated algorithms to analyse between 10,000 and 50,000 genetic variants called single-nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs. These can be detected using standard DNA microarray “chips”

    And…

    Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched.

    Madeleine McCann: On it goes…
    Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
    Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
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    Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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    Goedemiddag!

    En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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    Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
    Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
    Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...

    En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!

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    Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
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    Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 22:28 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
    Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
    Ha ha Tmaatje, ja dat willen wel meer mensen, ik geloof dat pas in maart volgend jaar er verantwoording wordt afgelegd want met het wisselen van een aantal board-members begin dit jaar en wat toevoegingen wat betreft doelstellingen e.d. werd de termijn verlengd waarin inzage van de boeken verplicht is, dat meen ik mij te herinneren van een boekhoudkundige op het (inmiddels alleen voor geregistreerden) 3arguidoforum. En verder de verklaring van Catriona Baker, nanny in de Ocean Club, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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    Statement from Catriona Baker

    By Paulo Reis, Gazeta Digital

    At Leicestershire Police, April 14, 2008 (resume):

    Went to Portugal in March 2006 and worked at Ocean Club Village, than changed to Mark Warner's Ocean Club, in June 2006. There are seven "Kids Clubs", at Ocean Club, according to the children's ages, and about 16 nannies. She was living at a home within a 10 minute walk from the Ocean Club. Met Gerry and Kate in the morning of April 29, 2007, first time they took the children to the crèches Madeleine McCann was put under her responsibility, in the "Minis Club", with Ella, Jane Tanner's daughter.

    The McCanns daily routine: Kate and Gerry took Madeleine to the crèche every morning, came back at lunch time, and after "high tea". She met Gerry more times, because he went to take Madeleine more frequently than Kate.

    On May 3, 2007 she remembers that Gerry McCann took Madeleine to the crèche, between 9:15/9:20 am. She doesn't remember who took Madeleine out from the "Minis Club", for lunch, that day. Around 2:45 pm, Madeleine returned from lunch, but Catriona doesn't remember who took her to the crèche. In the afternoon, the children went swimming. Between 3:35/6:00 pm, May 3, Kate went to the area near Tapas Bar, and she took Madeleine with her. Kate was wearing a sports outfit and Catriona thought she had been jogging. She believes Gerry was playing tennis.

    After her shift finished she went home. Around 10:30/10:35 pm, May 3, two room-mates came and told her that Madeleine was missing. She went out and helped in the searches, around the resort and onto the beach. She didn't see Gerry and Kate, on that night.

    Mark Warner has a rule concerning the children's crèches: there is a registration sheet and the parents must sign it, when they leave and they take the children. Only parents can take the children, unless there is a previous communication that another identified person will do it. Thursday morning, May 3, all the children of the "Minis Club" went to the beach.

    Mark Warner transferred Catriona Baker from the Ocean Club to another country one week after Madeleine disappeared on May 13, 2007. She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family.
    Ik voeg daar zelf het volgende aan toe uit een eerdere post:
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    in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

    That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron
    IMO een te verwaarlozen verklaring als je eerst je eigen verklaring mag terug zien alvorens opnieuw gehoord te worden, ongelofelijk...

    En dat deze nanny dit in deze verklaring verklaard: 'She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family." Klopt niet helemaal, uit een eerdere post:
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    Katriona (sic) Baker, a British citizen who worked as a nanny at the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, and cared for missing Madeleine McCann for several days, does not spare criticism towards the child’s parents in the statement that she gave to the English authorities.

    The nanny said that she only looked after the little girl during the day and remembers that Maddie cried a lot during a boat ride in Praia da Luz and screamed "I'm scared, I'm scared", failing to understand the reasons for the fact.

    And she adds: she says that as soon as she heard about the disappearance of the child she ran through all of the places where Maddie usually went when she stayed at the crèche that exists at the Ocean Club; she guarantees that she saw neither Kate nor Gerry that evening, only seeing them again on the following Saturday (Maddie went missing on Thursday). One of the questions that the PJ asked from Kate, and to which there was no answer, was related to the reasons why she stayed at home while the searches were carried out.


    Toetje, mogelijk is dit één van de redenen waarom de Leicestershire Police zo op de hand is van de McCanns: één van directors van het Fonds was Philip Tomlinson, a retired solicitor and former coroner in Leicestershire, appointed 20 June 2007 - No. of Company appointments: 5; (Resigned) replaced by Jon Corner, film producer and friend of the McCanns. Bron Ongetwijfeld heeft deze man veel te maken gehad met kwesties die onder de Leicestershire Police vallen en kende hij de McCanns, zeker Kate als huisarts (voor anderhalve dag) die mogelijk met doodsoorzaken te maken heeft gehad. Er zaten tenslotte volgens haar nog sporen op Cuddle Cat (gevonden door de snuffelhonden) van eerdere doden, zes maar liefst! Kan daar even een onderzoekje naar gedaan worden, 6 dooien voor een huisarts die anderhalve dag werkt...

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    Nu ik het toch over die Leicesterhire Police heb, soms is het jammer dat het 3arguidoforum met alles over deze kwestie alleen nog is te lezen voor geregistreerden, maar gelukkig zijn er op andere blogs, interessante berichten van dat forum overgenomen, zoals deze, bron:
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    02/09/08 Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



    Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



    This is copied from a thread on The 3 Arguido's forum:

    A.With holding 2 testimonies about one of the Tapas 7?
    1. KM friends about Payne
    2. Social Worker Testimony about Payne

    B. Witness Tampering?
    1. Russel O Brien allowed to view partners testimony
    2. Technical failure on first interview with ROB - very convenient
    3. Fire alarm 7 interruptions with JT interview - very convenient

    C. Interference in Soverign Nations Police Force
    1. LP with GB instrumental in Amaral's removal

    D. Information requested
    1. Not informing the Pj about 81 pieces of information
    2. Medical records not sent
    3. phone records not sent
    4. financial details not sent (mortgage only)
    5. K&G's background info requested 3rd May

    E.Nepotism/Conflict of Interest
    1. Link from Leicester Police website to McCann Fund
    2. Gerry guest speaker at POLICE bravery awards. Given 60k and standing ovation.
    3. Clarence Mitchell briefings with LP4.
    4. Impersonating a police officer - CM

    F. Perverting the Course of Justice
    1. LP stated that there was no knowledge of debit or credit cards despite rental car having been hired.
    2. Allowing member of British Public (Brian Kennedy) to personally interview UK witnesses
    3. Advising McCanns that telephones were being intercepted updated

    Links (to be updated as and when they occur)

    * Gordon Brown has Gonçalo Amaral removed from investigation when he was "close to finding Maddie"
    * Leicester police allowed Russell O'Brien to read his wifes statement before questioning
    * Inquiries Act 2005
    Ter verduidelijking:
    LP = Leicestershire Police
    GB = Cordon Brown
    CM = Clarence Mitchell
    ROB = Russell O'Brien (Tapasvriend)

    Social Worker = "Yvonne Martin, a British Social Care worker on holiday in Luz, who also blamed the McCanns negligent behaviour."
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    KM friends about Payne: 2 bevriende dokters zagen David Payne tijdens een eerdere vakantie obscene gebaren maken ivm Madeleine in aanwezigheid van Gerry McCann.
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    Brian Kennedy heeft inderdaad o.a. Rober Murat en die Ierse familie Smit bezocht, zij menen Gerry McCann (toen hij van de vleigtuigtrap liep) te herkennen als degene die ze die nacht (vlak na de vermissing) hebben zien lopen met Madeleine in z'n armen.
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    Sky News: Madeleine's Father Cheered By Police juli 2007
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    Dat het maar weer even gezegd is, even die Britse coppers 'in het zonnetje' gezet...

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    Apartement te koop in Praia da Luz...Iets voor de McCanns? O nee, ze zouden nooit meer naar Portugal gaan... Een snipper uit een artikel gelezen op de site van Joana Morais: House in Luz for sale - Correio da Manhã "According to local sources, it was with some relief that the Ocean Club management saw the responsibility for the apartment that the McCann family chose to spend their holidays, taken away. ‘The owners were very unhappy with everything that happened. They picked up the house keys and took care of everything privately, without the resort’s intervention’, they referred."

    Overigens ben ik nog steeds van mening dat de eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool wél familie is van de McCanns. Het is mij iets te toevallig...Ook (vind ik een mafkees, maar goed...) Martin Brunt (Sky Bews) schreef er eerder over, een stukje, hij vroeg dit aan Clarence Mitchell op December 20, 2007:
    quote:
    "I had to pester him for an answer, which only added to my suspicion that it was Gerry and Kate's second home and for some reason they had pretended it was a holiday rental. We finally nailed it. The place belongs to a Ruth McCann, a teacher in Liverpool (where Kate is from), who inherited it from her late husband.

    She told us she was no relation to Madeleine's family and hoped she wouldn't be pestered after my inquiry. In fact, she was more interested in learning whether she was likely to get compensation from the police who have, at last, kept the apartment as a locked crime scene.

    I say all this, in a half-hour programme that's running at Christmas, as an illustration of this strange story in which it's not difficult to get sucked into looking for suspicion where none may exist. The chance of the McCanns renting a holiday home from someone of the same name is 7,500-to-one.

    That also means that there were probably three people called McCann at the Bruce Springsteen concert at the 23,000-seat O2 arena in Greenwich last night."
    Een polletje, gelezen op mccannfiles.com: Guilty Focus magazine (no online link to magazine)
    03 September 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation


    Text from cover:

    61 percent of the British and the Portuguese point their finger at the McCanns:

    Maddie case - GUILTY - An international poll by Focus shows that England and Portugal have no doubts: Kate and Gerry McCann are responsible for their daughter's disappearance. And they believe that the little girl is dead.

    What is coming in the Maddie case - The counter-attack by Gonçalo Amaral - Deceived McCann couple loses half their fortune.

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      woensdag 3 september 2008 @ 12:53:32 #234
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 22:17 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...
    Goedemiddag!
    Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
    Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
    Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
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    En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!
    Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
    be nice or go away
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    Op woensdag 3 september 2008 12:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Goedemiddag!
    Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
    Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
    Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
    [..]

    Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
    Hajo Kahaarin. Kan idd best zijn dat Brian Kennedy het ook goed zat is, maar ja, hij staat wel garant voor het Fonds en ik heb een vaag vermoeden dat ook hij niet geheel vrij is van...uhm ja, dat weet ik nog niet maar waarom steek je je nek zo uit, wat voor belang zit daar achter? Inmiddels zijn er nu wel eental koppen in de kranten over de verkoop van dat apartement, ook van NewsMow, dus Anorak, een fragment:
    quote:
    DAILY MAIL: “Holiday apartment where Madeleine McCann went missing goes on sale for £250,000”

    The infamous holiday flat where Madeleine McCann vanished has been put up for sale for £250,000.

    Can a flat be “infamous”? It was the flat wot dunnit?

    Potential buyers could begin viewing the flat from as early as next week, raising the possibility of voyeurs keen to see where the three-year-old disappeared looking round.

    Dreadful. Better to just look around the property on the Mail’s website.

    Flat 5A at the Ocean Club holiday complex has two bedrooms, measures 90 metres squared and is 20 years old. It is 500 metres from the beach.

    Compact. Bijou. And handy for an abduction, allegedly… Does Our Maddie make it more or less valuable?
    Wrang maar waar. Eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool is vast wél familie, de prijs is aardig gestegen....

    Inmiddels staat de best wel uitgebreide poll van Focus online, op de site van Joana Morais: Maddie case: Guilty - Focus 61% say that they are guilty. Het voert te ver (imo) dit hele artikel hier te plaatsen maar interessant is wel dat meer Britten de McCanns geloven dat de Portugezen, een fragment:
    quote:
    an article by: João Vasco Almeida

    The first international poll about the Maddie case, done by Focus, reveals that both Portuguese and British are certain that Kate and Gerry McCann are guilty over their daughter’s disappearance. Concerning the little girl’s destiny, the numbers are even colder: She is dead.

    The number is crushing: more than two thirds of the British and the Portuguese population blame the McCann couple for the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, aged three, on the 3rd of May 2008 [sic], from an apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve. An opinion poll that was commended to Eurosondagem by Portuguese Focus, and carried out in Portugal, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland leaves no margin for doubts. Despite the behavioural and cultural differences, the majority of populations replies affirmatively to two of the most direct questions of this inedited poll.

    Nevertheless, when the numbers are evaluated according to nationalities, it becomes clear that in Portugal the blame that is popularly attributed to the McCanns rises to 77.5 percent. This means that only 22% of the population still believes that the Scottish couple has no responsibility in the disappearance of their eldest daughter.

    The British, on the other hand, are divided, although the majority agrees with the Portuguese. The majority, 44.6 percent, states without a doubt that doctors Kate and Gerry are guilty over the disappearance of little Maddie.

    The first question of the poll is unequivocal. In both countries, all the persons say that they know what happened on the 3rd of May. This means that it is not necessary to explain the McCann couple’s drama to anyone. Everyone, really everyone knows.

    What divides the Portuguese and the British is the belief in Maddie’s destiny. While in Portugal it is believed that the child is dead, far away there is a hope that she is well. The abduction theory collects the sympathy of 72.9 percent of the British, against only 11 percent that sustain the death theory. But it is significant that 15 percent of the British wish to reply “I don’t know” to the question concerning the cause of the disappearance. De vragen e.d. >>>
    Met nog een nieuwtje, nou ja nieuwtje..."Meanwhile, Focus knows that during the first weeks of September, the couple’s Portuguese lawyers are going to make a statement concerning the book by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral and announce which are the next steps that are to be made. On the other hand, Gonçalo Amaral is also waiting for September in order to decide whether he advances a process against the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, or writes a new book." Moet ik nog zien of dat echt gaat plaatsvinden, die aanklacht van de McCanns bedoel ik,
    maar...let's have it!

    Tenslotte, take note K&G McCann, how lucky you are you are, getting away with it ....over een meisje van 3jr:THE appearance of a semi-clothed toddler alone in a busy shopping street has sparked alarm. "After the Madeleine McCann situation, everyone should be aware that child protection is the very highest priority – doors must be locked out of a child’s reach – anything could have happened.” A police spokeswoman said: “It’s a very alarming incident. We were alerted of the girl at Talbot Green police station and have passed the matter on to social services. “ We will continue to look into it to see if a criminal offence has been committed.”

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    En dan nu de verklaring van Dianne Webster, moeder van Fiona Payne, op 04 May 2007 om 20h45. Een grote snipper, de hele verklaring staat op mccannfiles:
    quote:
    She states that the McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine, nearly four years. She thinks the idea of coming to Portugal came from her daughter. She believes her daughter knows Portugal.

    The informant arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12h20/12h30 from Leicestershire to Faro and then to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club they they used the airport's shuttle service. After checking in, she was placed in apartment G5H with her family. (Her daughter, her son-in-law and their two small children)

    Concerning the usual routines, the informant states that she only spent part of each afternoon with her family and that not always. Sometimes she read, she went shopping or did other things. As for the mornings, she only had lunch one day with her family, Wednesday, because it was raining. On the other days, she spent the mornings playing tennis.

    Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 15h45 and left at around 18h15 to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 19h00. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.

    They left the apartment at around 20h45 and accompanied by her son-in-law and her daughter, they went to join the rest of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant. The McCann couple were amongst the other friends at dinner. To our question, the informant told us that given that her daughter had an intercom allowing them to hear if the children were shouting or crying, no one went to check on the spot. However, she reported that Kate and Gerald as well as other couples went a few times, on a regular basis, to make sure their children were OK. During one of these checks, Kate came back, frightened and nervous, even panicked, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

    They immediately organised search parties, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding in there, then outside. In spite of help from the Ocean Club's employees, the searches were fruitless. The informant does not know Madeleine well, because she lives a long way from the McCanns, and she cannot say very much about Madeleine's personality. Nevertheless, she reports that Madeleine was calm but active and energetic and well brought up. She is an attractive and a good child.

    During this holiday, she has noticed nothing unusual or which could be linked to the investigation. She has no other details to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.
    Haar dochter Fiona legde om 7.20pm een verklaring af en schoonzoon David Payne werd 's middags 14h45 gehoord, ook allebei op 4-5-2007. Theoretisch gezien heeft David Payne de tijd gehad zijn vrouw en schoonmoeder te informeren wat hij eerder die dag heeft verklaard.
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    Tony Bennett heeft wat verschillen gevonden in deze verklaring van Diana Webster:
    quote:
    1. Did they really stay at the beach from 3.45pm to 6.15pm? No, they were filmed on CCTV at the Paraiso at between 5pm and 6pm (see August News of the World article).

    2. No mention of seeing Kate jogging at around 5.20pm as some of the other 'Tapas 9' claim.

    3. She is vague about her separation from David and Fiona at 7.00pm. Did all three of them stay on the tennis court until 7.00pm? She does not say so.

    4. She says she returns to the flat with her grandchildren. She does not mention Fiona.

    5. She says David came back at 7.10pm. Once again she does not mention Fiona.

    6. So where was Fiona?

    7. She makes no mention of (a) Gerry McCann asking David Payne to visit Kate McCann nor (b) of David going up to the McCanns' apartment at around 6.20pm/6.30pm

    8. Her statement does not exclude the possibility that she did not see David between 6.15pm and 7.10pm - nearly an hour. Where exactly was he?

    9. This is a very 'spare' statement with very little detail given. I might characterise and describe it as: 'evasive'
    Waar Tony dat restaurant Paraiso noemt is inderdaad waar, Diana Webster zegt daar niks over, niemand trouwens, men zou zich kunnen afvragen of onderstaande afbeelding, genomen van CCTV-beelden, van dit samenzijn in het restaurant Paraiso wel op 3 mei heeft plaatsgevonden, een datum veranderen is niet zo moelijk...



    De tot nu toe gegeven verklaringen staan allemaal op mccannfiles.com

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    De volgende vragen werden verzonden aan diegene die met Gerry en Kate McCann in het Tapasrestaurant hebben gegeten op 3 mei 2007, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    quote:
    What detectives asked the Tapas Seven Sky News

    4:05pm UK, Tuesday August 05, 2008

    Detectives in Portugal sent through a series of questions to all those who had dinner with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night Madeleine disappeared.

    Here is a list of what they were sent:

    1. How long have you known Gerald McCann and Kate Healy (Kate's maiden name) and in what capacity?

    2. Have you seen Kate and Gerald at home with their children?

    3. Have you been on holiday with them before? If yes can you describe how they looked after the children of an evening/night?

    4.How often did you see Gerald and Kate during your holiday April 28 - May 3?

    5. How often did you see their children: Madeleine, Sean and Amelie?

    6. Did you have any concerns about the children in any way?

    7. When was the last time you saw Madeleine?

    8. On Thursday May 3 when did you see Kate and Gerald?

    9. At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on May 3? Who was already there?

    10. What were Kate and Gerald doing when you arrived?

    11. Did you speak with Kate and Gerald?

    12. How were they behaving?

    13. Who left the table during the meal and to do what?

    14. Did you see Gerald leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

    15. Did you see Jane leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when she came back? Was her behaviour or attitude different when she returned?

    16. Did you see Matthew leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? When did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

    17. Did you see Russell leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

    18. Did you see Kate leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when he came back? How did she look and behave? Where you shocked at what she said? What did you do?

    19. Did you go to the McCann apartment? Did you go into the bedroom where the children were sleeping? Can you describe what you saw? Did you see the twins? Did you notice anything unusual about them?

    20. What did you do next? Did you take part in any further searches? Who were you with?

    21. How did Gerry react when Madeleine was not found in the first 10 minutes?

    22. How do you think they were behaving considering Madeleine was gone?

    23. What did you do between 10.30pm and 10am the next morning? Who did you see?

    24. Who did you speak to?

    25. When did you leave Portugal? How often did you see Kate and Gerry? How do you think Kate and Gerald were behaving for parents who had lost a child?

    26.Did you see either Kate or Gerry speaking to anyone on holiday that you did not know?

    27. Did you see either Kate or Gerald in a car during the holiday.
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    Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

    [..]

    Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

    Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
    Hier is je antwoord, maar meer in het algemeen, ik kan mij die oproep nog herinneren, dat vakantiegangers foto's konden opsturen. "British police from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency (Ceop) have so far received more than 500 images which they plan to cross-reference against a database of pictures of UK paedophiles and other criminals." 25 May 2007 BBC De link om foto's up te loaden: http://www.madeleine.ceopupload.com/

    Maar dan...
    quote:
    Your photographs have never reached the Portuguese interviewers SOSMaddie (French language site)
    Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis 04.09.2008
    To date, the PJ have not received a single photo as a result of the appeal launched by Leicestershire Police who asked holidaymakers who had stayed in PdL to send copies of any photos taken during the 2 weeks prior to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

    The appeal was launched jointly by Leicestershire Police CEOP and ACPO. According to a source close to the UK enquiry several hundred photos reached the British authorities, most of which were uploaded to internet pages created specifically for this purpose.

    "We will evaluate these images - at a rate of 1,000 frames per hour - so that we can pass on any significant information to the Portuguese authorities in a timely manner", promised Jim Gamble, Head of CEOP.

    The official aim of this campaign was, according to Jim Gamble, to move forward the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, including the use of facial recognition software on images showing any people "who appear out of context or are behaving strangely." "We wonder what the real purpose of this public appeal was.… We have not had access to these photos," confirmed one of the investigators, who stressed that the only photos received by the PJ had been sent direct by witnesses.
    Maar foto's die wél naar de PJ werden opgestuurd leverden niks op, uit het zeer beknopte eindrapport: "Also explored were information related to the delivery of photographs from individuals in the area for holidays and obtained by the Police, along with various hotel chains, whose examinations yielded nothing useful." Mogelijk mochten ze ook niet gebruikt worden zoals met alles, wat een enorme onzin allemaal, de PJ en het publiek wordt belazerd en niet zo'n beetje ook, door de Britten, met name de McCanns, de Leicesterhire Police en mogelijk ook deze clubjes CEOP and ACPO, onder regie van Gordon Brown. Kennelijk is daar niets tegen te doen. Shame on you all...

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    De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
    * Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
    * Justice for Madeleine
    * Maddy - Reference Forum and Investigations

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      vrijdag 5 september 2008 @ 11:18:51 #240
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    quote:
    Op donderdag 4 september 2008 23:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
    De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
    * Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
    * Justice for Madeleine
    * Maddy - Reference Forum and Investigations

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    Hey, goed nieuws, alweer een tikje voor team McCann.
    Goedemorgen!
    Wat een over en weer getik trouwens, net een ping-pong wedstrijd onderhand, die zegt dit en de ander zegt dat......
    Het blijft gewoon afwachten tot er iets boven water komt dat voor een doorbraak kan zorgen.....
    be nice or go away
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    The Sun komt met een Exclusive, ja wel, waarbij de snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie 'te grazen' worden genomen, het is zo'n belachelijk artikel, eigenlijk 2 artikelen, dat ik het niet eens plaats, zelf lezen, hier en hier. Eén quootje: "The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children." Dat opperde ik al eerder, zes dooien voor een huisarts die 1 1/2 dag p/week werkte...te belachelijk. En The Sun meldt oude sporen in het apartement, dat is allang al uitgesloten. Op de site van Nige staan deze artikelen ook. Evenals deze video van The Sun, genoeg bewijzen dacht ik zo maar het is natuurlijk wel ge-edit...niet alles is te zien, hoe de honden veel vaker aanslaan.



    Gelukkig heeft Nige van McCannfiles in z'n archief het tegendeel bewaard: Note: Read about the world-renowned skills of Eddie and Keela here Hij plaatste ook deze foto van de doggies, ook uit The Sun, much better:



    Hooi Kahaarin. Zoals je ziet is het modder gooien begonnen....Alleen The Sun is IMO zo ongeloofwaardig, werkelijk te genant...
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    05/09/08 Joana Morais
    quote:
    Maddie: journalists tried to break into window - Portugal Diário

    During the month of September, the PJ received various alerts of foreign journalists who tried to enter the Ocean Club bedroom where the British child disappeared from.

    Several journalists tried to film and photograph the inside of the bedroom where Maddie disappeared from on the 3rd of May 2007. In some situations, they even tried to force the apartment’s shutters open.

    Kate and Gerry McCann returned to London on the 9th of September 2007, and a few days after they left the villa that they rented in Praia da Luz, the real estate agency was contacted by a journalist who tried to rent the property in order to carry out some filming. The request was denied.

    On the morning of the 20th of September, the executive manager of the Ocean Club noticed the presence of three television reporters on the outside of the apartment where the McCann family spent their holidays. The two men and one woman had already forced the shutters of the bedroom where the children slept. It was the manager herself who expelled them from the location, while suspecting that their goal was to film the inside of the property.

    Five days later, the firm that is responsible for the Ocean Club’s security was summoned to the same location due to the insistent presence of three further journalists in the patio that accesses the apartments.

    They tried to ‘buy off’ the cleaning ladies

    Even the cleaning personnel declared that they were approached by several journalists so they could access the inside of the apartment.

    Whenever the pretension was denied, they offered money in return for said access. While in the former situations foreign journalists were identified, in this last attempt the nationality is not identified in the process that was made public on the 4th of August 2008, after the investigation was archived and the judicial secrecy was lifted.

    No danger of ‘contamination’

    On the 26th of September, in the early evening, the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) was contacted by a security guard from the Ocean Club, who informed that he had found the bedroom shutters up. Two inspectors traveled to the location and verified that said shutters had been raised, from the outside, until half the height of the window. But nothing was broken and there were no indicia of the window having been broken into.

    A police source that is connected to the investigation explained to Portugal Diário that at the time, no processes were opened against the journalists because there was no ‘risk of contamination of the premises’ anymore.

    Without indicia that the McCann couple had committed any crime, the Public Ministry determined the archiving of the process. On the 21st of July of 2008, Kate and Gerry, together with Robert Murat, saw their arguido status lifted. source: Portugal Diário, 03.09.2008 by astro
    En verder is Kate McCann nog steeds boos, ach ach...wijffie toch: "In an interview with the Portuguese newspaper Expresso, published tomorrow, Mrs McCann, 40, is asked what she thinks of Amaral and his book, a bestseller in Portugal. She replies: "It's a disgrace." Daily Mail Sue him.... !

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    Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
    quote:
    McCann's Cadaver Dogs Video:PJ Final Report


    Excerpt of The Judiciary Police Report - All Investigation

    pages 35 and 36

    (...)Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in the report.

    In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by MARK HARRISON, whose speciality is the search for missing people or homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human cadaver odor.

    This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom, frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially trained dogs.

    One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.

    After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined, with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the documentation (appendix III).

    In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour of identification and “signalling”, including:

    pages 37 and 38

    1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the child disappeared.



    - cadaver odour dog:
    *in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
    *in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment;



    - blood dog:
    * in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);

    2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:



    - cadaver odour dog:
    * in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

    3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed

    * NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

    4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second apartment]

    * NOTHING at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;

    5 - In the area of Vila da Luz

    * NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

    6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN



    - cadaver odour dog:
    * in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
    * in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
    * in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

    7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family



    - cadaver odour dog:
    * signalled the key of the vehicle;



    - blood dog:
    * signalled the key of the vehicle;
    * signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

    8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.

    pages 39 and 40

    * NOTHING was detected by either dog;

    9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and persons that are close to him;

    * NOTHING was detected by either dog.

    (in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was rented on the 27th of May)



    On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).

    But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.

    On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.



    Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.

    It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following said inquirition, did she assume that quality.

    Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would officiously force that constitution.

    Source: Document in PDF - PJ Report in Portuguese

    Related:

    “I was close to finding Maddie”
    14 Aug 2008
    The technique of residue collection using special dogs like these, CSIs, is usual in England, in the United States and it has already led to more than 200 condemnations. The laboratory where the samples [of blood, cadaver odour and DNA ...

    Dog Detects car of the McCann Couple
    10 Aug 2008
    The McCanns previously tried to dismiss the cadaver dogs findings, stating that the Cadaver dogs were manipulated to react to the Renault Scenic therefore implying that the South Yorkshire police special team handling the dogs was. ...

    Recourse to the dogs was advised by British expert
    7 Aug 2008
    An English expert who counsels the police in cases of missing persons, abduction and homicides was determinant for the turnaround in the Maddie case, dictating the call for the dogs that detect cadaver and blood odour. ...

    The dogs’ work as described by their own handler
    7 Aug 2008
    The cadaver detection dog “Eddie” and the blood detection dog “Keela” showed themselves as “very excited” when they entered apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, the one that had been occupied by the McCann couple during their holidays. ...

    Madeleine McCann: Reversed Investigation
    27 Jul 2008
    It does seem possible that that has taken place based on the circumstances of the cadaver dogs who signalled [death triggers] the existence of a cadaver and, also of blood with the genetic profile of the girl. ...

    Cadaver Odour in the McCanns Car and Clothes
    12 Jul 2008
    In a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver dogs only signalled cadaver odour and blood scent in Kate and Gerry McCann car, rented 24 days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. ...

    What are the Chances?
    27 May 2008
    Of highly-trained forensic cadaver dogs and DNA analysts from the UK being mistaken? Of a GP coming into contact with 6 dead bodies in the week before the holiday? Of the GP bringing a "Cuddle Cat" to work with her and it thus acquiring ..

    Sniffer Dogs used to seek Madeleine prove again their effectiveness
    25 Feb 2008
    In cases where a dead body will be the likely outcome of a search, Cadaver dogs are used to search, rather than standard Search and Rescue dogs. Why? Because a Search and Rescue Dog is trained to find living humans, and not detect ...

    The Theory of the Abduction of Madeleine McCann
    19 Feb 2008
    c) We’ll get on to lawyers in Ireland/America who say these cadaver dogs’ evidence is useless. (d) The DNA was the children’s dirty nappies in the boot. (e) The ‘smell of death’ was rotting meat that Gerry was taking to the dump. ... by Joana Morais


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    [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 06-09-2008 00:19:58 ]
    pi_61422607
    Goeiedag zeg... Oeps de McCanns worden toch wel nerveus, boek van Amaral in de UK-schappen, Mitchell die nog een baas heeft gevonden, 3Arguidoforum weer open voor ierdereen (ze hebben echt de pest aan dat forum) filempies met Eddie en Keela, statements van iedereen waar geen barst van klopt etc etc. Tijd voor een interview dachten ze. Alle kranten staan er weer bol van, News Now Joepie! Met variaties in de koppen zoals deze: More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.



    En wat heeft dat 'interview' dan weer opgeleverd + de verkoop naar alle andere kranten, voor het fonds zeker? Is dit gesprekje een beginnetje naar meer Exclusives, nu de meeste mensen toch wel door hebben dat geld geven zinloos is, vooral nu bekend is geworden dat ook hun woordvoerder Clarence Mitchell daar maandelijks geld uit ontvangt nu Brian Kennedy dat niet meer voor zijn rekening wil nemen.

    Stukje uit The Herald: "The father of Madeleine McCann has admitted the possibility that his missing daughter may be dead. In the first interview with Kate and Gerry McCann since they were formally cleared of involvement in the case, Mr McCann says: "I will be honest. We have got no idea whether Madeleine is alive or not. What we are certain of is that there is absolutely no evidence." Lijkt me genoeg reden om eens in de UK onderzoek te doen naar dat fonds, geheid dat er weer om geld wordt gebedeld, maar wie gaat nu nog geld geven vooral nadat filmpje van gisteren waarin duidelijk te zien was wát Eddie en Keela hebben gevonden....


    In de Portugese krant Expresso staat vandaag ook een interview met de McCanns, een teasertje:

    Maar goed, als er meer geld nodig is dan kunnen de McCanns en hun vrienden ook een belofte waarmaken:
    Reminder: Gerry's sister Philomena McCann said yesterday the couple and even other relatives may have to sell their homes. Asked if it was an option she said: "It's a possibility, yes. These things happen. "Money and property is not as important as family and love, is it? Not to me anyway." 15/09/2007 The Mirror Toen lwam branson op de proppen: "Branson, who has been in regular contact with the couple since their daughter went missing, hopes that it could amass £1m. The money would mean that members of the McCann family could drop their plans to sell their houses to pay legal costs." The Times en ook de BBC Maar ja, die is er niet meer nadat de McCanns tot arguido's werden verklaard...dus de verloop van huizen is een mooie optie.
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    Interessant: Forensic Sci Int. 2008 Jan 15;174(1):35-9. Epub 2007 Apr 2.
    Oesterhelweg L, Kröber S, Rottmann K, Willhöft J, Braun C, Thies N, Püschel K, Silkenath J, Gehl A.
    Institute of Legal Medicine, University Medical Center Hamburg, Germany. lars.oesterhelweg@irm.unibe.ch

    INTRODUCTION: Cadaver dogs are known as valuable forensic tools in crime scene investigations. Scientific research attempting to verify their value is largely lacking, specifically for scents associated with the early postmortem interval. The aim of our investigation was the comparative evaluation of the reliability, accuracy, and specificity of three cadaver dogs belonging to the Hamburg State Police in the detection of scents during the early postmortem interval. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse. Comparative searches by the dogs were performed over a time period of 65 days (10 min contamination) and 35 days (2 min contamination). RESULTS: The results of this study indicate that the well-trained cadaver dog is an outstanding tool for crime scene investigation displaying excellent sensitivity (75-100), specificity (91-100), and having a positive predictive value (90-100), negative predictive value (90-100) as well as accuracy (92-100).

    PMID: 17403590 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
    website reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17403590
    Gelezen op het 3arguidoforum Woef!

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    Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
    quote:
    During the interview that was done in England, the couple seizes the opportunity to criticize Gonçalo Amaral’s theories. Nevertheless, Kate and Gerry do not ponder to sue the former inspector of the Polícia Judiciária who led the investigations.
    Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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      zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 13:56:07 #245
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61425754
    quote:
    Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 00:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
    [..]

    [ afbeelding ]

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    Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

    Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
    quote:
    Breaking News08:40 WORLD: More than £1m spent on hunt for Madeleine.
    06/09/08

    More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.

    Kate and Gerry McCann said that in less than a year the Find Madeleine fund had paid £1m (¤1.23m) to Spain’s Metodo 3 detective agency to search for her.

    And the pair told the Daily Mirror they would spend whatever it takes to uncover the truth.

    Mrs McCann, 40, told the newspaper: “We can’t set a limit. A child does not have a price. We will pay what we have to. It just takes one person to make the one phone call we so hope for. We know she was abducted and believe someone knows or suspects something.

    “We want to find her alive. But if she is dead we want to know. There’s nothing in the police report that indicates anything bad has happened to her.”

    The two doctors, from Rothley, Leicestershire, spoke of their bitterness at having ever been made suspects in the case.

    Mrs McCann strongly condemned detective Goncalo Amaral, who led the hunt and later wrote a book on the case, labelling his behaviour “a disgrace”.

    Mr McCann, 40, said: “We were investigated in the most intimate detail. ’How did you get rid of her? Who helped you? Where did you put her?’

    “My plan was to stay quiet and not answer. But the first question was, ’Are you involved in the disappearance of your daughter?’ It was nonsense and I decided to respond.”

    Mr McCann again expressed his anguish at leaving Madeleine alone with twins Sean and Amelie as they went for dinner in Portugal’s Praia da Luz resort.

    But he said the couple were “not negligent” but “profoundly regret” what happened.

    The pair said their three-year-old twins have been vital in helping them cope with their ordeal.

    The youngsters still talk about when their sister Madeleine comes home.

    And their parents say keeping the missing five-year-old’s memory alive for the twins is helping the couple through their torment.
    1 reactie:
    be nice or go away
      zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 13:57:15 #246
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61425776
    quote:
    Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 11:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
    [..]

    Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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    Nee natuurlijk niet, as always, negeren dan gaat het vanzelf weg.
    be nice or go away
      zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 14:13:16 #247
    37150 livelink
    keek op mijn week ( © DJ11)
    pi_61426006
    Tot nog toe is de strategie van de McCanns wel succesvol gebleken. Inderdaad gewoon alles negeren, nergens op ingaan, alle vragen onbeantwoord laten en vervolgens stug doorgaan met je eigen fonds.

    Dat is de methode om ergens mee weg te komen, heb ik van deze zaak wel geleerd. Want al het verzamelde bewijs en alle aantoonbare leugens zijn nog niet voldoende om een zaak te maken. Dat vind ik eigenlijk wel schokkend.
    Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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    quote:
    Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 13:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

    Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
    [..]

    1 reactie:
    Hallo daar kahaarin en Livelink. Ja, dat van die million pound baby had ik even aangestipt in de eerste alinea. Blogbabe? ....Whahahaha...indeed, daar is het echte nieuws te lezen met soms opmerkelijke nieuwtjes en achtergronden die de Britse pers vertikt te melden. Opmerkelijk is wel dat The Sun vandaag een verhaal plaatst met als kop + kiek een snuffelhond die sporen vindt bij die gehuurde auto en pas halverwege een kiek van de McCanns, met wel weer een l*lverhaal maar dat zijn we inmiddels wel gewend.

    Ik schreef eerder dat alleen de Portugese pers meldt dat McCanns Amaral niet zal aanklagen, niet helemaal waar want Kate zegt o.a. op de BBC: "All I will say about this, and because I'm not going to waste my time on Mr Amaral, is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Goed zo wijffiie, ik miste de arrogantie al een beetje, pfff...gelukkig, bang voor z'n boek maar weet het toch weer mooi te verdraaien, yeah...

    @ Livelink, misschien is het niet zo moeilijk om er mee weg te komen door ten eerste niks te zeggen, tegen te werken zelfs, en keihard liegen helpt ook maar bovenal de hulp van bovenaf, dán redt je het, lachtend...many British people with money/influence have everything to hide. (geweldig Engels weer...haha)
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    Op McCannfiles.com:
    quote:
    Gerry McCann buried Madeleine's body on the beach, Portuguese detective says - Telegraph

    The Portuguese detective who was sacked as head of the team investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has accused her father of burying her body on the beach near their holiday apartment the same night that she was reported missing.

    By David Harrison Last Updated: 5:56PM BST 06 Sep 2008
    In the latest of a series of extraordinary claims about the case, Goncalo Amaral, says he believes that Maddy died accidently in the McCann's rented flat as the result of a fall and that her father disposed of the body.

    The disgraced detective - who has sold 120,000 copies of a book he has just published a book about the case - says an Irishman had claimed that he had seen Mr McCann with a child in his arms walking towards the beach on the night that Maddy reportedly disappeared.

    The McCanns dismissed the claims, made in an interview with a Spanish newspaper, as "ridiculous".

    Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "As Kate has said today Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. "His comments are grossly defamatory and utterly without foundation."

    Mr Amaral, who has now retired from Portugal's Judicial Police investigation force, says in the El Mundo newspaper: "The Portuguese police, like the British [police], and also the prosecutor, who has now changed his opinion, thought the same. We are talking of a death involving third parties, not of homicide.

    "In the bedroom blood and the smell of a body were found just below a window where there was a sofa. The father was there for a short time just outside this window having a conversation with a friend.

    "The parents said the girl did not have a bad dream. Maybe the girl heard the father and climbed onto the sofa under the window. But the parents had pulled it away from the wall. so that the girl would not get out, and Madeleine could have fallen."

    The former policeman talks about the Irish witness seeing Mr McCann carrying a child towards the beach and about sniffer dogs finding traces of blood and the scent of a body on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of a car the couple hired 23 days after Maddy disappeared.

    This prompts the interviewer to ask: "Gerry McCann buried his daughter on the beach and then disinterred her and put her in the boot 23 days later?" Amaral replies: "We don't know. The Irish witness I have spoken about saw on television Gerry with a child in his arms arriving in the United Kingdom and declared it was the same image that he had seen in May in Portugal. This man went two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered."

    The interviewer says that Amaral's claim implies that the Tapas Nine - the McCanns and their friends who dined together on the night of Maddy's disappearance - had all ageed to lie.

    Amaral says: "All of them. Because, in case you don't know, British legislation covering negligence in caring for children is very hard...In the United Kingdom, if you leave a child alone for half an hour you will lose custody. After the death of Madeleine, if it had been made public that it was an accident, all of them would have lost custody [of their children]."

    The former detective describes how on one occasion during a meeting Kate McCann had lowered her head and seemed to be totally distracted for several seconds before coming back to being her usual self. "It appeared that she had escaped from the role that she was interpreting," he says.

    Asked how she reacted when she was asked if Maddy had been killed by falling from the sofa he replies: "She didn't say anything, she just lowered her head for a moment as if she was on the point of fainting. She had an emotional crack that lasted for just a moment."

    Amaral adds: "For me, Gerry hid the body of Madeleine on the beach. And after some days he transfered it to his car. We were working in this direction. "We lacked establishing the date, some details, but we were on the way. The Irishman was on the point of coming to Portugal, but it took too long, and there were external pressures. In the end he didn't make a statement to the [Judicial] Police."

    A friends of the McCanns dismissed Amaral's claims as "nonsense and legally extremely dangerous", and said that Kate and Gerry would sue Amaral if he published his book in the UK.

    Mr Mitchell said: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully. "He is also completely at odds with with his own Attorney-General who, in lifting Kate and Gerry's "arguido" - official suspect - status, made it clear that there is no evidence to suggest they are guilty of any crime whatsoever."
    Wederom een Clarrie-tactiek, hier wordt wel gemeld dat ze overwegen Amaral aan te klagen, maar dan op z'n woorden, spin-tactics...confusing the public aren't you, mixed messages. But you will not sue Amaral , you're all to scared!

    En dat interview in de Expresso waar de kranten vol van staan in op de site van Joana Morais en ook op McCannfiles te lezen. Ik wacht nog ff, heb er al genoeg over gelezen...

    En ook nog: 06 Setembro, 2008 The video of the dogs that framed the McCanns - Correio da Manhã
    Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work
    Past wel goed bij het eerdere artikel van Joana Morais wat ik gisteren hier heb gepost.

    Toetje, een quootje van Mike Hitchen, een rare druif imo, maar schiet soms zeer raak:
    quote:
    "The deliberately misleading news of their generosity comes a day after The Sun tried to discredit two highly trained, highly respected and highly insured British trained sniffer dogs, for the sole reason of laying the blame for Madeleine's fate on detectives who along with other Portuguese tax payers, have spent far more in the search for Maddie than the McCanns, Branson or Kennedy ever have or are likely to. They also spent far more time looking for her - which isn't too difficult as the McCanns believe it is the responsibility of others to get down and on their hands and knees in the dirt looking for clues. The McCanns like others to do their dirty work for them.

    Perhaps the British media would like to publish a more accurate headline - "The McCanns running out of money and want yours so Dr Kate doesn't have to work and handle more corpses - it's so hard to get the smell of one's clothes"


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    Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Russel O'Brien dd 21h45 on May 4th 2007 (ook hier te lezen incl. commentaar), de echtgenoot van Jane Tanner. Haar verklaring werd die dag op 11h30 genoteerd. Ook nu zijn er weer dudelijke verschillen te zien wat betreft check-tijden etc etc. Geen melding dat z'n vrouw, Jane Tanner, een man had zien lopen met kind, zij meldde dat wel.
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    Brian Kennedy kan er geen genoeg van krijgen, uit de Daily Mail:
    quote:
    I'll fund the McCanns until they find Maddie, vows double-glazing tycoon Kennedy
    By Daniel Boffey Last updated at 10:05 PM on 06th September 2008
    The multi-millionaire tycoon financing Kate and Gerry McCann's search for their daughter has said he will support them for the rest of his life if necessary. Double-glazing magnate Brian Kennedy, 48, said he would use his estimated £450million fortune to back the couple as long as Madeleine remained missing.

    His pledge will alleviate concerns about what will happen when Madeleine's Fund, made up largely of public donations, runs out. There is currently less than £500,000 in the kitty, with £1million having already been spent on the hunt for Madeleine since her disappearance in May last year

    Team McCann is now hiring a fifth group of private investigators to help with the search. Mr Kennedy, who has five children with his wife Christine, lives in Wilmslow, Cheshire, and made his money through double-glazing firm Everest. He had not met the McCanns before offering his help but now speaks to them almost daily.

    A source said: ‘Mr Kennedy got involved after seeing Kate on television after she became an arguido. He felt compelled to do something. A fifth company is going to be hired. 'Everything that can be done is being done. But it is like looking for a grain of sand on a sea shore. The team are just desperate for leads now.’

    The couple's lawyers are still sifting through 13,000 pages of Portuguese police files, released last month. One team of investigators believed they had found Madeleine in Morocco last year – but it turned out to be an American girl being kept against her will in a dispute between her parents.

    ‘It was desperately disappointing when it turned out not to be Madeleine,’ said a source. ‘It was a low point for everyone concerned.’ Madeleine’s Fund is already paying investigators Metodo 3, Control Risks, Oakley International and an unnamed fourth company. However, as The Mail on Sunday revealed last month, Oakley will not have its current £500,000 contract extended after missing a series of targets set by Mr Kennedy.

    Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: ‘We will leave no stone unturned in finding Madeleine.’
    Merkwaardig, de McCanns schreven toch onlangs op hun site dat Oakley International gewoon aanblijft....En ook vreemd, hij trok alleen de geldbeurs toen eerst Kate McCann tot formeel verdachte werd verklaard, dus hij deed het allemaal niet eens omdat Madeleine werd vermist????

    Nou ja, dan kunnen ze het fonds ook wel opheffen, maar de grote vraag is hier ook, waarom steekt Brian Kennedy zo z'n nek uit, waarom steekt hij er zoveel geld in en waarom bezocht hij persoonlijk enkele getuigen bv die Ierse familie Smith zoals die vader die er van overtuigd is Gerry McCann te hebben gezien met Madeleine in z'n armen die fatale avond. De Smithtjes werden nooit meer gehoord door tegenwerking van de UK. Met andere woorden, welke belangen heeft Brian Kennedy in deze kwestie. Als het alleen geld was had hij ook stilletjes de McCanns kunnen steunen maar nee, hij heeft ze tengels overal in, zoals het inhuren van al die PI"s die tot nu alleen de geld en tijd van de PJ hebben 'gestolen' en nu zijn er kennelijk weer nieuwe PI's ingehuurd...what is going on???? Moet hij wat luitjes beschermen en ook zichzelf, of ook, beschermt hij misschien een ander stille rijke stinkerd??? Zie ook de site van Joana Morais: The Non-Charitable odd Fund: The McCanns & Brian Kennedy Strange Connection

    Reminder: als er een ontvoering is geweest waarom heeft niemand die 1 1/2 mijoen beloning opgeeist, geen enkel teken van iets of iemand, nada, noppes, niènte....
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    Ook veelzeggend, het Telegraph-artikel welke ik gisteravond heb gepost (hierboven) is van de site verwijderd....Een 3arguido-poster schrijft Ultimately, the Telegraph and associated outlets will have journos monitoring forums but what about the governments Media Monitoring Unit - who are the powers behind the pulling of this article and why? Perhaps they are one and the same? Of maakt Clarence Mitchell gelijk z'n woorden waar in het teruggetrokken Telegraph-artikel: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully." En dan gehoorzaamt de Telegraph heel braaf....

    The UK is becoming a Stasi-nation....imo.

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    Nieuws wat men niet 'mag' lezen in de UK...Een interview met Amaral in de Spaanse krant El Mundo:
    quote:
    Gonçalo Amaral: Gerry McCann hid Madeleine's corpse on the Beach El Mundo

    SILVIA TAULÉS
    06 September 2008
    Thanks to Joana Morais and 'Ines' for translation (some amendments have been made to the original translation)
    * The apartment window always stayed shut, in spite of what Kate McCann said

    * The girl might have fallen from the sofa; there could have been an accident because of the sleeping solution


    MADRID - He arrives late, with a certain 'star' look. His book (Esquilo, 2008), which will be officially presented on the 9th of September, has sold 120,000 copies in two weeks, a record in Portugal.

    This, once begun, was unstoppable. Gonçalo Amaral, the visible head of an investigation that had thousands of people in suspense, tells why he remains insistent that it was Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, who were responsible for her disappearance.

    Question – You defend the theory that the parents are responsible for what happened to Madeleine McCann.

    Answer – No. That is not in the book.

    Q - However that is the theory that one can understand from reading it.
    A - The summary also draws the same conclusion of the book.
    Q - What are the points, that you believe, implicate the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter?
    A - The first thing is that they always defended the theory of the abduction. The mother said that the window of the room was open when she saw that the girl was not there. That is not correct, the window was closed and it is impossible for the girl to have left that way. We worked in the apartment and the window was closed. The parents have always argued that the girl was alive and they were the first to raise that Maddie could be dead.
    Q - Other evidence?
    A - The witnesses, there were several inconsistencies between their statements. Those that had dinner with the McCanns that night, their friends, invented the system of monitoring of the children. Why? There are many details that lead one to think about the culpability of the parents. There are two different lists about the monitoring system.
    Q - You talk about inconsistencies in the statements about the monitoring system. The book also indicates that the nine people who had dinner together drank an average of eight bottles of wine, four of red and four of white. Isn't there the possibility that, between the disappearance and the alcohol, they were confused and that they did not remember the exact minutes in which they watched the children?
    A - Okay, but then there is the window where we found Kate's finger prints, the mother of the girl. She said that she had never touched that window, and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous day. And above all she said that the window was open when it was closed, it doesn't add up.
    Q - Would it be possible that the mother or the father closed the window later, when returning to the room to search for the girl?
    A - There are three people who say that they walked in front of the apartment and saw the window closed. They did not state that it was open? Which left? And there are other things. The mother says that she entered the room and the windows were open and the shutters were raised. No one else saw that. They simulated an abduction. They wanted us to say that someone entered the apartment with the intention of theft and when they saw the girl they killed her.
    Q - That could have happened?
    A – It is very complicated.
    Q - Why?
    A - Let us return to the people who passed in front of the apartment. Nobody saw anything strange. We investigated all the people who were involved in theft in the area. There were no unknown fingerprints in the apartment, of course they could have used gloves, that is true, but that could not be. In addition, the parents were the first to talk about death. And it is normal to think that their daughter could have died, but they have never admitted this in public. But I do not believe that the parents killed her.
    Q - So, what are we talking about?
    A - About an accident. The child could have fallen from a sofa, could have had an accident with Calpol (a sleeping solution). We never had access to the girl's medical history, so we don't know whether she was healthy or not. We can only speculate. There are many very strange details.

    Note: the full interview is a paid article. This is the free version.
    Ja ja, dat is niet mis, dat vonden de McConns ook...
    quote:
    New slur on Madeline McCann's father Gerry by shamed cop The Mirror
    By Nick Owens 7/09/2008
    Shamed Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral stooped to a new low last night - disgracefully claiming Gerry McCann buried daughter Madeleine on a beach the night she went missing. In his most sickening outburst yet, sacked Amaral said Gerry went back days later to move her body so the police would never find it.

    Last night Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns official spokesman, said: "Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. His repetitive slurs are not only grossly defamatory but they are completely unfounded. "What he says is so utterly at odds with reality it beggars belief.

    "Kate and Gerry are looking and watching at everything he does and will not hesitate to take legal action against him if he continues to act in this sickening manner." Last week Kate herself spoke angrily about Amaral. She said: "As a professional and a person he has been a disgrace."
    Pardon? Ik dacht toch dat de McConns zich niet met Amaral bezig hielden: "Kate – All that I am going to say about this – because I'm not going to waste any time on Mr Amaral – is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Uit het Expresso interview van gisteren. Sterker nog, Kate leest niet eens de kranten....zo meldt ze keer op keer. If you are lying at least get your lies straight....
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    En verder nog een interessant artikel op de site van Joana Morais:
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    Soft toy found by death smell - Correio da Manhã
    Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work Afbeelding

    The cadaver odour on Madeleine McCann’s soft toy was proved when the sniffer dog was able to find it while hidden inside a closed cupboard.

    The process of the toy’s marking is demonstrated by the images from the investigation’s videos that are published by Correio da Manhã, as well as the moment when the springer spaniel that is trained to detect the smell of death, changes its behaviour next to a piece of Kate’s clothing.

    The cadaver odour on the soft toy was marked inside the residence that was being occupied by the McCanns in July 2007, but the experts repeated the diligence in a scenario outside the house, where the dog, ‘Eddie’, gave signal again.

    Confronted with the indicia that resulted from the inspection done by the dogs, which are widely used in the United Kingdom – English expert Martin Grime asserts that in over two hundred searches, the sniffer dogs have never marked a false positive – the Polícia Judiciária questioned Kate and Gerry and made them arguidos. The authorities were forced to admit a possible involvement of the McCann couple in their daughter’s disappearance and to confront them with elements that could result in incrimination.

    Kate McCann, who after Maddie’s disappearance was accompanied everywhere – and in a visible manner – of her daughter’s favourite toy, did not deny the fact that two pieces of her clothing and her daughter’s soft toy had been marked by the English dog that is trained to detect cadaver odour and justified the fact with her profession: she alleged that as a doctor at the Health Centre in Leicester she attended six death situations during the period immediately before her vacation time in Portugal.

    Manipulated evidence

    The soft toy was found on the bed where Maddie allegedly slept on the night that she went missing, but on the bed, no cadaver odour was detected, contrary to the soft toy. This fact led the Polícia Judiciária to believe that the crime scene was manipulated in order to better justify the abduction theory that is sustained by the McCanns and their friends.

    In one of the investigation reports the inspectors write that the soft toy was placed on the bed’s end in a moment that was posterior to the disappearance. “There was an intentional modification, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of the abduction scenario”, the process reads.

    McCanns devalue dogs

    Kate and Gerry McCann continue to defend that Madeleine McCann was abducted on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007, in the Algarve, and they devalue the indicia that was collected during the investigation – mainly the traces that were detected by the sniffer dogs.

    “The frailty of these dogs was proved in a study that was carried out in the USA”, the McCanns stated in an interview to ‘Expresso’, reiterating the hope of finding their daughter alive: “We want to find her alive, but if she’s dead we want to know. There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her.”

    Kate and Gerry say that they “firmly” believe that Maddie was abducted by a man and they criticise the former case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, who defends the homicide theory. “His behaviour has been a disgrace”, they said, considering that the success of his book is a case of “illicit enrichment”.

    “Suing the McCanns is a possibility to consider” (Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Madeleine McCann case)

    Correio da Manhã – How do you react to the McCanns’ statement that your behaviour is a disgrace?


    Gonçalo Amaral – That happens in the sequence of a campaign, it’s normal for that hostility to exist. Concerning that type of accusations, they have to be pondered…

    - Does that mean that you consider the possibility of suing the McCanns?

    - Yes, it’s a possibility to consider.

    - How do you interpret the fact that the McCanns devalue the dogs’ work?

    - It’s a form of defence. To them, we are all incompetent, but that is not how the dogs are seen in the United Kingdom, where they are widely used and with success.

    - The McCanns say that the English police are more experienced in abductions…

    - They can present a formal complaint about their daughter’s abduction to the English police instead of using private detectives.

    Details

    200 searches – Expert Martin Grime asserts that in over 200 searches the sniffer dogs have never failed.

    Vehicle – ‘Eddie’ and ‘Keela’, which are trained to detect the odour of human cadavers and blood, marked the car that was rented by the McCann couple among ten vehicles.

    Robert Murat – The cars that were used by Murat, the first to become an arguido, were inspected by the dogs but nothing was detected.

    Decisive – The investigation changed its course after the traces that were detected by the dogs.

    Notes

    16 months: Missing – Madeleine McCann disappeared 16 months ago from the Ocean Club resort, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, where she was spending holidays with her parents and her twin siblings. It was on the evening of May 3, 2007.

    Detectives: 1.2 million – Kate and Gerry McCann, Maddie’s parents, guarantee that they have already spent 1.2 million euros from the FindMadeleine Fund, with the private investigation into their daughter’s disappearance.

    Investigation: Case archived – In July, the Public Ministry archived the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance. The abduction theory was dismissed and homicide was pointed out as more likely. source: Correio da Manhã, 07.09.2008 by astro


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    Op zondag 7 september 2008 21:20 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Nieuws wat men niet 'mag' lezen in de UK...Een interview met Amaral in de Spaanse krant El Mundo:
    Vervolg van het interview met Amaral door de Spaanse krant El Mundo, gelezen op McCannfiles:
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    Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
    A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.
    Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
    A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.
    Q - But I am trying to think out an idea. How can a mother who has just found her daughter dead on the floor decide to hide the corpse? And how do you hide the corpse of a girl of nearly four years old so that no one can find it?
    A – This is what we were investigating when I was dismissed from the case. I want to recall that there is an Irish man who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms, on his way towards the beach that same night. That testimony has been hidden. The dogs specialised in finding traces of blood and odour of cadaver, found both on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of the car that the McCanns rented 23 days later.
    Q - Did Gerry McCann bury his dead daughter on the beach and then unearth her and put her in the boot 23 days later?
    A - We do not know. The Irish [witness] that I have told you about saw Gerry on television with a child in his arms arriving in the UK and stated that it was the same image they had seen back in May in Portugal. That man spent two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered, but nobody has talked about them. And what one of the Irish has said is logical, a man with a child in his arms toward the beach.
    Q - But this implies that the whole group, the nine people who ate dinner that night, had agreed to lie.
    A - All of them. Because, if you do not know, the British law regarding negligence and child welfare is very strict. They left their children alone in the apartments. In the UK, if you leave a child alone for half an hour, you lose custody. After Madeleine's death, if it had been made public that it was an accident, everyone could have lost custody.
    Q - So you consider that one of the reasons for the parents and friends to have lied is because they feared losing their children's custody.
    A - Yes, yes. Nobody has opened legal proceedings for what happened, for the negligence, and we have asked the British authorities why. Have they answered? Of course not.
    Q – Let's go to the day of the disappearance. 17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report the death of the girl?
    A - In those three hours there are inconsistencies between witnesses. Some said that the checks lasted half an hour, others said 30 seconds...
    Q – It is obvious that they contradict each other, but did they have time to do everything you say they did?
    A - Yes, of course they had time. Some say that Gerry had a strange behaviour at the table.
    Q – Did they?
    A – They said that he spoke too much, gesticulated a lot, quite the opposite from the previous days. For me this is a very real hypothesis.
    Q - You have a long career as an investigator, years in which you have faced criminals and innocents. What do you see when facing the McCanns?
    A - They are two persons with much fear. I do not know if they fear to be discovered or fear the police of an unknown country.
    Q – It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.
    A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting.
    Q - When you raised the hypothesis that the girl might have died after falling off the sofa, did Kate McCann answer?
    A - She did not answer, she just dropped her head for a moment, as if she was about to faint. She had an emotional collapse that lasted just a moment.
    Q - And Gerry McCann?
    A – He is a very strong person, dominant. He's a surgeon, a man capable of making decisions very quickly. That was good for him to be able to decide over Madeleine. If you have to hide the body, you must decide quickly. And it could only be hidden on the beach, and you have to take her on foot. This is where the statements from the Irish witness is important, the one that no one has taken into account.
    Q - What is your opinion?
    A - To me, Gerry hid Madeleine's body on the beach. And after a few days he moved her with his car. We work following this lead. Trying to find out the date of the switch, some details, but we were on the way. The Irish [witness] was about to arrive in Portugal, but everything was delayed too much, he even received external pressures. In the end, he didn't testify for the Police.
    Q – They [McCanns] have appeared in all the media to announce the disappearance of their daughter and if it ends up that they have done it, what are they, psychopaths?
    A – No, they are human. If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted.
    Q - What if they do not want to lose hope? It all seems very morbid.
    A - It is. If they admit that she is dead they will lose their style of life. They are human, not psychopaths.
    Q - You said that the girl was frozen.
    A - For there to be vestiges in the boot of the car rented 23 days later, they must have preserved the corpse in some way. I believe that when they put it in the boot, with the heat of those days in the Algarve, a similar situation happened with that of shopping bags, which melt, and then the water is transferred to the car.
    Q – Couldn't the traces be transferred from the room to the parents clothes and after to the car?
    A - But if you have blood on your clothes it is because you've seen it [sic]. And the blood that the dogs found was washed blood, it was remains not clear spots.
    Q - Neither you nor Alípio Ribeiro (former director of the Judicial Police), nor Olegário Souza (former police spokesman), are still on their posts. You have even pre-retired.
    A - There were too many pressures. The McCanns have many contacts and nobody was interested in knowing the truth.
    Q - Is it the British Empire against Portugal?
    A - Yes, it seems so.

    TRACES OF DNA IN THE CAR'S BOOT

    The Scotland Yard dogs detected, in the boot of the car rented by the McCanns 23 days after the disappearance of the girl, traces of DNA which could belong to the girl; for the Portuguese Police more evidence, that Maddie was not abducted but that she died in the Ocean Club apartment.

    Note: Mr Amaral does NOT actually describe Calpol as a 'sleeping pill'. It is El Mundo who describe it as such: Firstly, in the headline teaser and secondly, in brackets to describe to Spanish readers what Calpol is, after Mr Amaral has simply mentioned it by name.
    Overigens zijn er steeds meer posters die wat kritiek op Amaral hebben, waarom hebben ze zich zo laten inpakken door de Britten, iets wat ik ook al eerder heb geuit. Twee topics op het 3arguidoforum, hier en een ouder topic, hier. Hij mag dan wel z'n nek uitsteken maar wat koopt men er eigenlijk voor, de schuldigen lopen vrij rond en het is maar de vraag of de zaak ooit nog wordt heropend...

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      maandag 8 september 2008 @ 12:12:11 #252
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    You are my sunshine......
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    Goedemiddag!

    Die honden en het andere bewijs (DNA, getuigen, gebrek aan bewijs voor ontvoering.) gaan niet weg, de geldstroom van de McCanns zal wel ooit opdrogen, als de zaak wat meer in de luwte komt dan verwacht ik een verrassing. Afwachten maar.... Het is heel makkelijk om vanachter je PC kritiek te hebben op de PJ, we hebben allemaal gezien dat de Britten met man en macht op kwamen draven, inclusief Brown nota bene. Om dan te zeggen dat hij dingen anders had moeten doen vind ik een beetje Calimero vragen om een leeuw te ondervragen, volgens zou dat hetzelfde effect hebben.....

    Rondje Anorak.
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Buried On The Beach And The Our Maddie Metaphor
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY MIRROR: “New slur on Madeline McCann’s father Gerry by shamed cop”

    A new slur by Goncarlo Amaral? Remember that quoting his book could see the McCann’s lawyers called in. Can the Mirror repeat the slur and still look oh-so caring?

    Shamed Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral stooped to a new low last night - disgracefully claiming Gerry McCann buried daughter Madeleine on a beach the night she went missing.

    Disgraceful. The scum. What did he say, just for interest’s sake..?

    In his most sickening outburst yet, sacked Amaral said Gerry went back days later to move her body so the police would never find it.

    What a complete swine. Did the McCanns’ dignify that with a reply? Surely not…

    Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry are looking and watching at everything he does and will not hesitate to take legal action against him if he continues to act in this sickening manner.”

    Not. The McCanns are innocent.

    THE GUARDIAN: “Setanta are trying, England are very trying”

    The England football team and trying. Indeed. And our Maddie?

    Setanta’s boast that they are “The Only Place You Will See England in Belarus in October” is not buttering any parsnips

    The irony is Setanta really does try harder. Its current coup has been to grab exclusive rights to England’s away qualifiers for the 2010 World cup. That is not exclusive like a Daily Express story about Madeleine McCann, but exclusive in the sense that Setanta has something nobody else does.

    Madeleine McCann and the England football team. Now that’s entertainment
    be nice or go away
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    Op maandag 8 september 2008 12:12 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Goedemiddag!

    Die honden en het andere bewijs (DNA, getuigen, gebrek aan bewijs voor ontvoering.) gaan niet weg, de geldstroom van de McCanns zal wel ooit opdrogen, als de zaak wat meer in de luwte komt dan verwacht ik een verrassing. Afwachten maar.... Het is heel makkelijk om vanachter je PC kritiek te hebben op de PJ, we hebben allemaal gezien dat de Britten met man en macht op kwamen draven, inclusief Brown nota bene. Om dan te zeggen dat hij dingen anders had moeten doen vind ik een beetje Calimero vragen om een leeuw te ondervragen, volgens zou dat hetzelfde effect hebben.....
    <knip>
    Nou ja, velen volgen dit proces vrijwel vanaf het begin en men had de toch de indruk dat deze kwestie hoe langzaam ook, op de één of andere manier tot een oplossing zou komen, maar niets van dat al. Slappe statementjes in het eindrapport dat nothing came of it, of woorden van dien aard, men kan daar een protestje in lezen, maar het stelt eigenlijk niks voor. What ever de redenen, men kwam tot niets wegen ernstige tegenwerking. Elk verzoek om meer informatie werd geweigerd. En een gegeven belangrijk bewijsstuk werd zelfs 'kwijtgemaakt' of tijdens het onderzoek vernietigd...zo zegt men ((FSS-lab). Op z'n minst had ik daar iig een officieel protest willen vernemen. Het kan toch niet zo zijn dat het thuisland van eventuele daders met alle middelen die men kennelijk kan gebruiken, er mee weg komt. Een land zoals Portugal, die zich heeft kunnen ontworstelen van een dictatuur, en dan nu door de UK zo wordt vernederd, dat kan er bij mij niet in, no way. Hier is meer aan de hand, aan beide zijden en daar heb ik dus echt niks mee, zulke praktijken veracht ik ten zeerste. Natuurlijk valt het te prijzen dat Amaral (als enige, wat een prooi voor kwaadwilligen!) de leugens ontmaskerd maar uiteindelijk nogmaals schiet niemand er wat mee op. Hopelijk komt er ooit bewijs waarmee het recht zijn beloop krijgt maar voorlopg zie ik dat niet, kennelijk zijn de belangen te groot om leugens te prevaleren boven waarheden. Wat voor mij nogal onthullend/onthutsend was is die ongelofelijk volgzaamheid van de Britse pers, dat verwacht je niet ven een modern westers democratisch land, onderzoeksjournalistiek bestaat er wel, maar alleen als er geen belangen worden geschaadt van mensen die wat te vertellen hebben. Ik bekijk nu dat land toch met iets andere ogen, politiek gezien dan, en die vermeende persvrijheid < die is er niet...

    Overigens is Brian Kennedy van plan de McCanns voor het leven te ondersteunen: "According to the British media, the multimillionaire Brian Kennedy is ready to finance Kate and Gerry McCann for the rest of his life, putting at the couple's disposal the entirety of his personal fortune, estimated at more than £450 million." Bron So why is that Mister Brian Kennedy, the parents won't and don't really care...Why!
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    Ook 24 Horas komt met het nieuws dat getuigen door de McCanns én Brian Kennedy zijn gehoord, bezocht en zelfs bij hun thuis ontvangen Iets wat eerder al door collega-krant Correio da Manhã werd onthuld, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
    quote:
    Witnesses Heard by The PJ in the Maddie Case Were Sounded Out by the McCanns
    McCanns searched for Witnesses
    by Luís Maneta
    The mediatic process was still under the secrecy of justice, Kate and Gerry had already been constituted as arguidos, but nonetheless Madeleine's parents did not stop having contacts with witnesses. Three of them told everything to the authorities.

    During the period in which the process Maddie was kept under the secrecy of justice, the McCann family had knowledge of what several witnesses knew. Persons who were sounded out and questioned by detectives hired to discover the whereabouts of the English girl, or even by a millionaire friend of the couple, reported subsequently the fact to the authorities, as stated in the process made public last month.

    Between the witnesses "searched" on the McCanns request is Charlotte Pennington, one of the Ocean Club nannies, and Martin Smith, an Irish tourist who swore to be convinced of having seen Gerry carrying a child on his arms, in the fateful night of the 3rd of May in which the English girl disappeared of the apartment rented by the family in Praia da Luz.

    Another witness, Catriona Baker, an Ocean Club nanny who knew personally Madeleine McCann, was received at the home of Kate and Gerry in November of 2007; months before her giving a statement to the Leicester police, in the scope of the rogatory letters sent by the Portuguese authorities for the United Kingdom.

    When cross-examined by the English police, in April of 2008, Catriona Baker revealed the existence of this meeting: “I visited the family at their home in the sequence of an invitation to see how everyone was”.

    Millionaire spoke with witness

    In the questioning, besides describing the routine of the children in the crèche where they spent a great part of the day, Catriona shows that, when she knew of Maddie's disappearance, she searched for her everywhere, following on foot all the routes that were familiar to her, from the area around the Tapas Bar to the beach. “I did not see Kate or Gerry on that night”, she guarantees.

    In his turn, the Irish tourist Martin Smith said to the British authorities that he had been contacted by Brian Kennedy - one of the biggest financiers of the Madeleine McCann Fund - in a date that he did not specify. Brian Kennedy justified the initiative with the purpose of elaborating a visual rendering of the man that Martin Smith said to have seen, a little after 22h00, carrying a child near the Ocean Club.

    Initially, Smith did not identify the person. But after returning England and having seen Gerry McCann with one of the twins on his arms he was “60-80 % sure” that it was the same person. Having suspicions, Smith, did not only help to do any sketches he also refused to give informations.

    Charlotte Pennington also said to have been approached by initiative of the McCanns. In this case, the contact was done through a private investigator, Noel Hagan, who works for Metodo 3, one of the detectives' agencies hired by Maddie's parents. “Charlotte assured to me that she only told him the same informations that she had already given to the PJ and to me”, wrote the English police officer who spoke with the former Ocean Club nanny. Source: 24 Horas
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    Op mccannfiles zijn de afbeeldingen van die gescheurde kinderboek-kaften van Madeleine geplaatst, hoe haal je het als ouders in je hoofd, je kind net vermist en dan ga je 's nachts zitten krabbelen op boeken van je kind om de timelines qua checks te noteren/synchroniseren, it's beyond me:
    Cover of Madeleine's sticker book that was ripped off and used by Russell O'Brien to write down two timelines before the police arrived


    Maddie's sticker book, front cover


    Maddie's sticker book, with timeline on inside cover


    Maddie's sticker book, with 2nd timeline on inside cover (dubbelklik voor details)


    Maddie's sticker book, back cover

    Madeleine's book

    Madeleine's parents ripped off both covers, the front and the back, from a book belonging to Madeleine, in order to write on the inside the timing for each person. Russell O'Brien was involved with the drawing up of the timing. The book was seized by the GNR on the night of the disappearance. It is to be noted that the writing down of the timing on the inside of the book covers was done before the police arrived on the spot. These covers would be attached to the case file, as elements of the investigation, on September 7th 2007, although seized during the night of 3rd to 4th May. Here are the terms on which the seizure document was based.

    Terms of seizure:

    At this time, it is considered of interest to the investigation to attach to the present deed, two covers of a child's book, on the inside covers of which is a schedule for supervision, hand-written by one of the McCann couple's group of friends and participant in this deed by name of Russell O'Brien.

    Iets uitgebreider uit een eerder topic, Maddie’s book torn by the parents

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    Naast de vele leugens van de McCanns e.a. die inmiddels wel bekend zijn en hoogst waarschijnlijk nog zullen komen is de naam Maddie ook een vette leugen. The McCanns never called Madeleine 'Maddie'?

    Kate beweerd in het Expresso-interview: "Q – Aren’t youcurious to know what the book says? Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won’t help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that.

    Oh nee??? Op mccannfiles heeft Nige wat speurwerk gedaan.

    Gerry McCann
    'April 2005- Back in Leicester and looking for a job. Now father of three with Sean and Amelie joing Maddie.' Gerry's Friends Reunited entry, April 2005 - entry updated May 2007 but 'Maddie' remained.

    (Dubbelklik voor details)

    (origineel)

    Eileen McCann (Gerry's mother)
    "Anyone who knows Gerry and Kate knows that they cherished Maddie."
    "Somebody came into Maddie's room, carried her out in her pyjamas..."
    The Sun, 28 April 2008 Link

    John McCann (Gerry's brother)
    "They're much more positive about things that can be done to get Maddy back." Liverpool Daily Post, 10 May 2007 Link "Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May 2007 Link

    Susan Healy (Kate's mother)
    "This is a set-up. Maddie is Kate and Gerry's world. They would never do anything to harm her." Daily Mail, 08 September 2007 Link

    Mark McQueen (Sean's godfather)
    "We know Maddie very well. She is an adorable, glorious and funny three-year-old." Liverpool Confidential, 09 May 2007 Link

    Charlotte Pennington (Ocean Club nanny)
    "She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene. "We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie." Daily Mail, 25 September 2007 Link

    En dan voeg ik er zelf eentje toe, uit Gerry's eigen Blog. Dag 42 - 14/06/2007 (Bron): "Kate and I picked up a friend from Faro airport who has been instrumental in helping with the campaign. He has been fantastic, producing the DVD of Madeleine to ‘Don’t you forget about me’ which has been shown at many sporting events and concerts as well as producing the look for maddie logo and various posters." Screenshot

    Zelfs over haar naam menen ze te moeten liegen...De cover van Amaral's boek klopt dus wel degelijk.

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      dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 11:27:22 #256
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    DAt klopt Suko, wat er nu precies is bekonkeld toen brown in Portugal was weet ik niet maar feit is dat Amaral heel snel van het onderzoek af is gehaald en dat er opeens een nieuwe weg is ingeslagen, de kidnap theorie werd ineens omarmd.

    Ook dat verdwijnen van het haar bij FSS en de beweringen dat die sniffer dogs het dan wel fout zouden hebben gehad, gecombineerd met het verzetten van de meubels in het appartement in PdL.

    Wat mij nog steeds heel erg steekt is het niet meewerken van de Tapas bende aan de reconstructie en het verdwijnen van de rogatory letters. Dat is mij allemaal veel te toevallig, evenals het gegeven dat Kate zich heeft omgekleed en de statements over Gerry die gezien is met Maddy in zijn armen. Okay voor 80% zekerheid maar dat de vertegenwoordigers van de McCanns met hen hebben gepraat is echt te erg voor woorden.

    Wat ik in mijn vorige post idd ook probeerde te zeggen is dat het niet zoveel meer uit maakt wie er nu wat verkeerd heeft gedaan, gooi dat nu eens allemaal op een bult, gewoon al die statements en al die bewijzen, afschriften van verhoren, bevindingen van de PJ en de tijdslijn en laat er een onafhankelijk instituut naar kijken, desnoods Interpoll, een onderzoeksjournalist, whatever. Maar dat zal wel niet gaan gebeuren, de belangen die meespelen zijn veel groter dan de verdwijning van Maddy.

    http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-detective-says.html

    Lees deze link eens en probeer er op te klikken....

    Reminder:

    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 11:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    >knip>

    http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-detective-says.html

    Lees deze link eens en probeer er op te klikken....

    Reminder:

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    Mogguh Middag Kahaarin... Wat dat artikel in de Telegraph betreft, indeed, was eerder gepost:
    quote:
    "Ook veelzeggend, het Telegraph-artikel welke ik gisteravond heb gepost (hierboven) is van de site verwijderd....Een 3arguido-poster schrijft Ultimately, the Telegraph and associated outlets will have journos monitoring forums but what about the governments Media Monitoring Unit - who are the powers behind the pulling of this article and why? Perhaps they are one and the same? Of maakt Clarence Mitchell gelijk z'n woorden waar in het teruggetrokken Telegraph-artikel: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully." En dan gehoorzaamt de Telegraph heel braaf.... The UK is becoming a Stasi-nation....imo.
    True, ik teut/post te veel, soms (best vaak eigenlijk) ben ik met een artikel bezig en dan bedenk ik me halverwege, ja maar dat heb ik toch al gepost? Kejje nagaan... En verder ben ik het natuurlijk eens wat er verder in je post staat. Ik denk eigenlijk dat met al het belastend bewijs, bv die honden, en alle bewijs dat er is tegengewerkt, dat dit niet in Nederland had kunnen gebeuren! Een nog kleiner land als Portugal maar wel met een diepgravende onafhankelijke pers en verschillende misdaadjourno's, zeker weten was de onderste steen boven gekomen, Leaving No (Dutch) Stone Unturned! Wij hadden die Briitten een poepie laten ruiken...Ik geloof zelf dat er niemand bereid is zich aan deze zaak te branden, ik heb verschillende theorieën gelezen, o.a. in dit topic, en het zou ook nog allemaal kunnen.

    Wat mij trouwens opvalt waarom met name wordt genoemd dat Russel O'Brien/Jane Tanner ongeveer in dezelfde periode een kind kregen. In de verklaring van Russel O'brien: "His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife. The informant's daughter, Ella, and Madeleine Beth McCann are more or less a month apart in ages." En ook via IVF in Amsterdam, ("They had further IVF treatment to conceive their twins while they were living in Amsterdam" Bron) net als Kate Mccann, en ook allebei daar bevallen. "The most important of these were provided by Jane Tanner, the girlfriend of fellow medic Russell O'Brien, with whom the McCanns share some unlikely coincidences. According to the Portuguese newspaper SOL, the pair's eldest daughter was born 'at exactly the same time' as Madeleine, also by IVF." o.a. op Mccannfiles. Ook Amaral benadrukt deze overeenkomsten in een interview, why...

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      dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 13:24:42 #258
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 12:48 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Mogguh Middag Kahaarin... Wat dat artikel in de Telegraph betreft, indeed, was eerder gepost:
    Tja, dat kan ik allemaal niet bijhouden hoor!
    quote:
    True, ik teut/post te veel, soms (best vaak eigenlijk) ben ik met een artikel bezig en dan bedenk ik me halverwege, ja maar dat heb ik toch al gepost? Kejje nagaan... En verder ben ik het natuurlijk eens wat er verder in je post staat. Ik denk eigenlijk dat met al het belastend bewijs, bv die honden, en alle bewijs dat er is tegengewerkt, dat dit niet in Nederland had kunnen gebeuren! Een nog kleiner land als Portugal maar wel met een diepgravende onafhankelijke pers en verschillende misdaadjourno's, zeker weten was de onderste steen boven gekomen, Leaving No (Dutch) Stone Unturned! Wij hadden die Briitten een poepie laten ruiken...Ik geloof zelf dat er niemand bereid is zich aan deze zaak te branden, ik heb verschillende theorieën gelezen, o.a. in dit topic, en het zou ook nog allemaal kunnen.
    Ne, joh, je teut echt niet te veel, we moeten het maar gewoon allemaal hier neerzetten want voor je het weet is het weg, dat blijkt wel weer.... Zulke artikelen maar gewoon meteen helemaal knippen en plakken want als het naar kritiek of bewijs neigt is het maar zo weg....
    quote:
    Wat mij trouwens opvalt waarom met name wordt genoemd dat Russel O'Brien/Jane Tanner ongeveer in dezelfde periode een kind kregen. In de verklaring van Russel O'brien: "His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife. The informant's daughter, Ella, and Madeleine Beth McCann are more or less a month apart in ages." En ook via IVF in Amsterdam, ("They had further IVF treatment to conceive their twins while they were living in Amsterdam" Bron) net als Kate Mccann, en ook allebei daar bevallen. "The most important of these were provided by Jane Tanner, the girlfriend of fellow medic Russell O'Brien, with whom the McCanns share some unlikely coincidences. According to the Portuguese newspaper SOL, the pair's eldest daughter was born 'at exactly the same time' as Madeleine, also by IVF." o.a. op Mccannfiles. Ook Amaral benadrukt deze overeenkomsten in een interview, why...
    ja, net alsof het zo afgesproken is, of wilde de 1 niet voor de ander onderdoen en is Maddy daar nu de dupe van, een moeilijk kindje en Kate heeft daarna een tweeling gekregen....
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 13:24 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Tja, dat kan ik allemaal niet bijhouden hoor!
    [..]

    Ne, joh, je teut echt niet te veel, we moeten het maar gewoon allemaal hier neerzetten want voor je het weet is het weg, dat blijkt wel weer.... Zulke artikelen maar gewoon meteen helemaal knippen en plakken want als het naar kritiek of bewijs neigt is het maar zo weg....
    [..]

    ja, net alsof het zo afgesproken is, of wilde de 1 niet voor de ander onderdoen en is Maddy daar nu de dupe van, een moeilijk kindje en Kate heeft daarna een tweeling gekregen....
    Mogguh all. Ik kan het zelf ook niet meer echt bijhouden, eigenlijk weten we al veel, vooral dat er niks klopt, dat er niks wordt gezegd en dat er een kind kwijt is, waarvan ik denk dat ze niet meer leeft en dat men er alles voor over heeft vooral niet te gaan zoeken, en het geld wordt uitgegeven aan intimidatie, verhaaltjes rondstrooien en reputaties worden beschermd. In a nutshell.

    Wat die verhaaltjes betreft, een snipper uit de Telegraph: team McCann wil wat ex-cops inhuren van de Greater Manchester Police's (GMP). "Chief Supt Steve Heywood, head of Greater Manchester Police's (GMP) serious crime division, is among those who have been asked to provide a list of officers, while Mr Kennedy is said to have already met former Det Supt Andy Tattersall, who retired from the force last year." "Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: "Kate and Gerry McCann, the fund and its backers have always sought to employ or use the very best people and resources in the search for Madeleine. "If police expertise is potentially available anywhere, the fund and Gerry and Kate would naturally considering using it."

    Overigens, die Det Supt Andy Tattersall was vet fout qua moord op Jill Dando (bekende BBC-presentatrice), de verdachte heeft voor niks vastgezeten, is vrijgesproken...Maar beslissingen zijn er nog niet genomen, B*ll dus, ik kan ook wel bv Peter r de Vries vragen en oudgedienden van de politie, vragen staat vrij maar het heeft in wezen niets om het lijf, publiciteit is het en niets meer.

    Pikant feitje, ex-copper Former police chief John Stalker van diezelfde Greater Manchester Police's meldt in oktober 2007: "Kate and Gerry McCann are hiding a "big secret" about the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, according a former police chief claims." + "I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about?" Daily Mail

    Over die baby's van Russell O'Brien/Tanner en de McCanns, ik bedoelde meer dat er misschien gerommeld is met eitjes, embryo's, beetje toevallig die zelfde tijdsippen van IVF, geboorten en allemaal in Amsterdam. Niet voor niks kreeg de PJ geen mediacal records, van niemand niet. Pure speculation of course, ook dat de kids van Gordon Brown (waarover toch al geruchten rondgaan qua verkante keer) via IVF ter wereld zijn gekomen, maar ik zeg daar niks mee...

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      woensdag 10 september 2008 @ 18:53:00 #260
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    Hey Suko, dat zal best wel eens zo kunnen zijn met die medical records, verhaspelen van eitjes of de ene dame heeft die van de ander gekregen vanwege onvruchtbaarheid, misschien is 1 van de mannen wel steriel, we'll never zo zo het nu lijkt.
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Seeking Britain’s Armchair Detectives
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY MIRROR: “McCANNS HEADHUNT COPS FOR NEW MADDY SEARCH”

    As Anorak told you yesterday, the Our Maddie hunt could, maybe, might, you never know, see ex-British police involved. Everyone’s an armchair detective… Or Cluedo.

    The Find Madeleine Fund has asked for lists of retired or about-to-retire officers from forces across the country.

    Beats playing golf… What do we know so far?

    Madeleine was snatched while on holiday in Portugal just a few days before her fourth birthday last May.

    And…?

    DAILY MAIL: “Top UK detectives to join team of officers in search for missing Madeleine McCann”

    Not so much top as retired…

    Some of the UK’s most experienced detectives are being approached to form an elite team of officers in the search to find missing Madeleine McCann.

    Experienced old sleuths. Anyone seen Miss Marple?

    DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann: Top British detectives are lined up to join the hunt”

    Aren’t they looking already?
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/189660.html

    Nou, het moet toch niet gekker worden, laat die mannen nu gewoon van hun pensioen genieten zeg.....
    be nice or go away
    pi_61534752
    quote:
    Op woensdag 10 september 2008 18:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Hey Suko, dat zal best wel eens zo kunnen zijn met die medical records, verhaspelen van eitjes of de ene dame heeft die van de ander gekregen vanwege onvruchtbaarheid, misschien is 1 van de mannen wel steriel, we'll never zo zo het nu lijkt.
    [..]

    http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/189660.html

    Nou, het moet toch niet gekker worden, laat die mannen nu gewoon van hun pensioen genieten zeg.....
    Ach, die ex-coppers hebben zo ook hun moment of fame, je moet gewoon in al die artikelen op dit woordje letten: COULD. Met andere woorden, het zou kunnen, of...het is mogelijk etc etc. Ook lees je heel vaak dat no decisson were made yet, of varanten daarop. De lezer ziet dat vaak over het hoofd en neemt het als feit aan, dat is geenszins het geval.

    * ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maar wat te denken van dit nieuws, gelezen op mccannfiles en op de site van Joana Morais:
    quote:
    "New videos of Eddie and Keela, 10 September 2008

    New videos of the dogs

    Images of the McCanns villa in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.

    The Portuguese police search the McCanns villa and find several sleeping medicines, confidential CEOP manuals, books about murder, and cadaver odour on 'Cuddle Cat', which belonged to Madeleine.

    Video released by Spanish Antena 3 TV. 10 September 2008

    The journalist from the first video essentially says what is covered in the article translated below. The second video explains what we have heard from Mr Grime previously and talks about the conclusions of the dogs findings, which can be read in the PJ's Final Report.





    Antena3 Report: The McCanns kept numerous medicines which provoked sleepiness Antena3 (Spanish)

    New exclusive images from the report

    Espejo Público [an Antena3 TV Show]
    Madrid, 10.09.2008 | 11:03 h.
    Thanks to Joana Morais for translation


    Given the repeated refusal of the British police to send different reports about the marriage, the Portuguese police drew up a profile searching throughout the McCanns second house, in Praia da Luz.

    Thus, officers, accompanied by two police psychologists, conducted a meticulous search in the main bedroom.

    In a case of abduction, the family circle is always investigated. The police were surprised on having seen the bedroom. Kate seems to be mourning. In her small bedside table are many photos of Maddy surrounded with rosaries and a Bible, which had bookmarked, with a picture a fragment of the Old Testament in which it could be read: "However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die". [2 Samuel 12:14]".

    At the other side of the bed, on Gerry's bedside table the attention is given to, between other books, "The interpretation of Murder". In the study where Gerry writes his blog and where he works at the campaign to find his daughter, another surprise: CEOP manuals, books with access restricted to police and governmental entities.

    Faced with this discovery, Mark Harrison, the British police officer brought from the United Kingdom to coordinate the case, finds it difficult to believe. He wonders how this married couple had access to these manuals, which are exclusively reserved for police officers.

    The Portuguese Officers confirm, in this way, their suspicions about the contacts which have been provided to the McCanns, which, for them, is translated into huge political pressure that, in their judgment, limits the investigation.

    Also, the police find numerous medicines, which they examine in search of the sedatives that they fear were given to the children by the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May. They also register the side effects caused by the medicines that they find, and verify that the majority of them provoke sleepiness. They examine as well the drawers, closets, as well as the twins' room and that no longer sleep in cots but in beds.

    The final report of the process, in contrast to the images included in the same report, state that independently of the curious and morbid conclusions, the only fact that one can determine, as such, is the disparate behaviour of the couple at the time of facing Madeleine's disappearance.

    Ook Joana Morais komt met verhaal: Exclusive New Videos: Madeleine McCann Case met een aantal interessante links zoals deze: Related: Madeleine McCann the Facts in the Beginning (SOL article)

    3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

    a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy

    b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators

    c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)

    d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children.
    by Joana Morais
    xklamation (aka Joana Morais) voegt nog toe; Final update: Listening to the journalist from the first video basically what she says is all covered in the article already translated, so no point in doing it again. The second video explains what you all have heard from Mr.Grime and states about the conclusions of the dogs findings which you can read in the PJ Final Report. 3arguidoforum

    Onthullend....

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    Amaral had gisteren in Spanje nog wat interessante informatie bij de presentatie van zijn boek The Truth Of The Lie, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    quote:
    Maddie Case: The former head of the investigation accuses Maddie's parents of hiding her body and simulating an abduction LaVanguardia.es

    Amaral presents his book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie" and maintains that the girl was killed by a "tragic accident" on the same day of her disappearance
    10/09/2008 Updated at 14:12 pm
    Madrid. (EFE) .- The Portuguese inspector, who ceased when he was leading the investigation into the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, Gonçalo Amaral, has argued that the McCann couple simulated abduction of the girl and hid her body.

    At a press conference in which he presented his book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie," Amaral explained that the conclusion of the investigation which he coordinated during the five months following the disappearance of the girl, on 3 May 2007, is that Madeleine died from a "tragic accident" that day.

    "The girl is dead, where she is buried I do not know," said the former Portuguese chief inspector, and highlighted the testimony of an Irish family that on the night of the disappearance passed by a man who was carrying a girl in his arms and that later, when they saw his picture on television, identified him as Gerry McCann.

    The former policeman criticised the archival of the "Maddie case" last July, when Kate and Gerry McCann were acquitted of their status as suspects by the Portuguese District Attorney's Office, but has warned that the discovery of "new evidence" could motivate the reopening of the investigation.

    "There are many signs of her death," Amaral asserted, who has stressed that the Police dogs detected the smell of human blood and body "with a genetic profile consistent with that of Madeleine" behind a sofa in the apartment that the parents had rented in the Portuguese town of Praia da Luz.

    Amaral also stressed that the McCann couple had acknowledged supplying a drug to their children, which they said was paracetamol, but this was identified as a sedative in the course of the investigations.

    The night of the disappearance of her daughter, Kate McCann "put her hand in front of the noses of her other children, still asleep, to see if they were breathing," said the former policeman, who considered that "it is not normal that a mother should act like this after losing a daughter."


    Amaral described the McCanns as "parents who have felt pain and anguish" and he has taken the view that it is "very difficult" for the couple - who have always maintained the hypothesis of an abduction - to "reverse" this, and adds: "Millions have been involved in looking for the child alive, how are you going to say that she is dead?".

    The former inspector from the Judicial Police (Portuguese police investigation) has affirmed that he does not fear a lawsuit from the McCanns and, indeed, he considers that a lawsuit would be "an interesting way to reopen the case". In addition, Amaral pointed to political and diplomatic pressures that -in his judgment - led to his removal from command of the investigation in October 2007 and has ruled that "the British government intervened in some way".

    The former policeman has assured that with his book, which has recognised as "controversial", he intended to restore his "good name" and contribute to the discovery of the true facts.
    Zeker is wel dat ze laden vol met pillen hadden, dat is te zien in dit filmpje van gisteren. (drogist is op een label te zien, J.F McCann 28, Lark Lane, Liverpool, Merseyside L17 8US Tel: 0151 727 3076, zie dit topic) Beetje onvoorzichtig opgeborgen, in een la, met een rondrennende nieuwsgerige tweeling...tja.

    En dat ze niet meer leefde wisten de McCann best wel, waaom anders een foto van Madeleine (die beroemde 'laatste foto' bij het zwembad, nu zonder paps en zusje) in een zwart lijstje met een ongewoon groot kruis. Screenshotje uit 't filmpje:



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    Vandaag de verklaringen van werknemers in de Tapasbar/restaurant op 4-5-2007, de dag na de vermissing, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    quote:
    Tapas restaurant staff interviews on 04 May 2007
    Jeremy Wilkins (short statement) and Tapas restaurant staff interviews on 04 May 2007

    We are still on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007. The next folder in the case file contains the statements of members of the "TAPAS" restaurant staff and statements volunteered by....

    JEREMY WILKINS

    Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London. He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 20h30 and 21h00, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blonde hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. His behaviour was somewhat strange and he seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village.

    Note: The "TAPAS" bar is annexed to the restaurant where Madeleine's parents were dining during her alleged disappearance.

    TAPAS

    Today we went to the "TAPAS" restaurant, owned by the OCEAN CLUB in Praia da Luz, where we collected statements from several employees. The subject of the statements was focused on little Madeleine McCann's disappearance as well as the behaviour of people in the group who dined in the same restaurant and who come from the same country as the missing child and on a suspicious person with blonde, "Rasta," locks.

    JERONIMO TOMAS RODRIGUES S.

    Bar employee:

    He saw the missing child, Madeleine McCann, for the last time, yesterday at around 16h45 at the restaurant. He didn't notice whether anyone from the group of British citizens - 8 or 9 in number - who dined at the restaurant yesterday (of which the child's parents were members) was absent during dinner.

    He saw a, "walkie-talkie," placed on the group's table, which was being used to monitor children at a distance. He did not see anyone at all with blonde "Rasta," locks on the night he was working.

    SVETLANA S. V.

    Russian citizen - kitchen assistant:

    She reports that yesterday, someone whom she believes to be the father of the missing child, left the table where he was dining with a group of friends (8 or 9 in number) for around 30 minutes. On his return, a woman, whom she believes to be the wife of the latter, left the table in her turn, and after a very short time, all the guests left the table with the exception of an older lady who told the informant's colleagues that the child had disappeared. During the whole time she was working, between 14h30 and 23h00, she didn't see anyone with blonde, "Rasta," locks.

    MIGUEL S.C.

    Cook:

    He does not know the small child or her parents. All he knows is that they are part of a group of British citizens who usually dine at the "TAPAS". As he works in the kitchen, he rarely goes into the dining room. He saw nothing in particular. He didn't see anyone with blonde "Rasta" locks while he was working (14h30 - 23h00).

    JOACQUIM JOSE M.B.

    Dining room waiter:

    Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined in the restaurant yesterday, as they usually do, a group which the missing child's parents are part of, he noticed that only two people, men, left the table.

    The first to be away was around 40 to 45 years old (tall, slim, white, hair greying) and he left the table for around 15 minutes. He remembers this because he had to reheat his meal, which had gone cold. The second (around 40 to 45 years old, with similar characteristics to the first, but with less hair and thinner hair) was away for around 30 minutes.

    Shortly after he returned, the whole group left the table, with the exception of an older person who told him that a child had disappeared. It was a daughter of a member of the group, and that's why he thought that the second person to be absent would have been the child's father. Sometimes when the group came to eat at the restaurant, someone from the group left to go to the apartments to check on the sleeping children. He didn't see anyone with blonde, "Rasta," locks during his hours of work. (16h00 - midnight).

    JOELSON FABIO S. S. L.

    Was contacted at another of the group's restaurants in the same area.

    As he works in the office, he did not have a view of the dining room where the tables are, which is why he saw nothing.

    He does not know the missing child or her parents.

    He saw no one with blonde "Rasta" locks during his hours of work. (15h30 - 23h30).

    RICARDO ALEXANDRE D. L. O.

    On his day off today, he was contacted by telephone.

    Dining room staff:

    Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined yesterday, as they regularly do, which the parents of the missing child are part of, he noticed that one man was absent for around 15 minutes (Tall, average build, white, light brown hair). The informant states that it was usual for someone in the group to leave to go to check the apartments where the children were sleeping. At the table, he noted the presence of an intercom. He saw no one with blonde "Rasta" locks during his working hours. (16h00 -00h30)

    MARIA MANUELA A. J.

    Kitchen staff:

    Seen as the latter was not at work during dinner yesterday, as well as at the of the child's disappearance, we have not recorded her statement.

    SUSPECT WITH RASTA LOCKS

    At the OCEAN CLUB reception, which is open 24 hours a day, the signatory to the present deed, may have observed a person with long, curly, blonde Rasta locks, in a green sweat shirt, corresponding to the description of the man with Rasta locks. The receptionist states that this person and his wife were guests of the hotel group and that he was untiring, since yesterday, in the search for the missing child. The signatory attaches, to the appendix of the present deed, a photocopy of their passports as well as the registration records of the complex.

    Editor's note: the suspect with the "Rasta" locks and his wife are of British nationality. They are respectively 37 and 40 years old.
    Opvallend, géén melding dat Jeremy Wilkens die avond een korte ontmoeting had met Gerry McCann < hij meldde dat wel in z'n verklaring en vertelde dat ook aan Kate zo verteld ze in haar verklaring. Ook Jane Tanner meldt het gesprekje tussen Gerry en Jeremy, zij had ze zien praten, beide heren hebben haar niet gezien. Jane meldde die ontmoeting ook aan Russel O'Brien en Rachael Oldfield. Jeremy Wikens's vrouw, Bridget O'Donell, meldt die ontmoeting tussen haar man en Gerry ook in een nogal ongeloofwaardig verhaal (dec. 2007). Vreemd dat de man in kwestie, Jeremy Wilkens, daarover niet rept...Maar zijn verhaal staat wel hier: The McCann Case: Jeremy Wilkins and the woman in purple Hierin meldt hij ook die man met “rasta” hair. Waarom hij dan niks zegt in z'n eerste verklaring over z'n ontmoeting met Gerry is raar. Het lijkt op een verzonnen verhaal wat later is ingevuld door Jeremy en zln vrouw, mogelijk onder druk....discussies zijn hier te lezen.
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    En verder een grote snipper uit een interview met, daar issie weer, Amaral. Gelezen op mccannfiles (DiarioMetro):
    quote:
    According to you, what happened on May 3, 2007?

    Madeleine McCann died from accidentally falling behind the sofa in the living room of the apartment. That couch had been moved during the alleged disappearance. I think that someone discovered the body, concealed it, cleaned everything and pushed the sofa to the window.

    Who?

    The parents of Madeleine.

    On what basis can you say that?

    The dogs brought in by the British police discovered cadaver odour behind the sofa and in the bedroom of the parents of the girl. Also on the small child's toy, the clothes of Kate and in the trunk and the keys to the car that was rented later.

    And how did they conceal the body without anyone seeing?

    Yes they were seen! An Irish family saw a man pass by them with a child in his arms at 22.05, on the way to the beach. Later, the girl was identified as Maddie. But they did not realise that the man who they had seen was Gerry until they were following television and saw how the McCanns landed in the UK.

    What happened?

    The position in which Gerry held one of the twins and his way of walking were identical to those of the individual who they had seen that night.

    But, 22.05 was when Kate said that the girl had disappeared and Gerry was with her…

    The hours are unclear. The only thing certain is that the McCanns told the National Republican Guard at 22.40. So, before that, Gerry had had time to bury the body of the girl on the beach.

    And nobody saw him there? During the night when they were already looking for the girl.

    Yes, but they were looking for a girl alive, not a girl dead. In addition, I am not saying that the body remained on the beach all the time. Clearly, the first thing was to remove it from the apartment. Later they could find other solutions to hide it. Witnesses of the National Republican Guard said they had seen the McCanns directed onto the beach twice in the course of that morning. Surely they quickly found a better place.


    How does it explain that the dogs found the smell of a corpse in the McCanns car?

    They rented it 24 days after the disappearance. It was what was being investigated when I was removed from the case.

    You believe that they conserved it in a freezer all that time? Where?

    There is a journalist who says that he saw the McCanns enter a block of apartments close to the beach, in the month of June… But we do not know in which flat they were. It is a building for tourists and they passed many people.

    And why is it the dogs did not detect the smell of a corpse on the clothes of Gerry McCann?

    You know which clothes Gerry was wearing that night? I do not yet know it.

    There is more information that is still missing?

    We asked the English police for reports on the couple, if they had a nanny in the United Kingdom, if they had had some problems in their work... We never received those answers.

    Why? Do you believe that the McCanns have high level connections?

    I do not know. I do not want to comment on that, but it is curious how the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, showed his support to the couple even after they were declared arguidos.
    Sapperderflap, waneer gaat het team McCann Amaral eens voor het gerecht dagen! Dat is volgens velen ook de bedoeling van Amaral, speldenprikjes uitdelen, uitdagen...kom maar op Kate en Gerry, wat is er niet waar aan wat ik vertel en blijf vertellen...

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      vrijdag 12 september 2008 @ 12:17:32 #264
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    You are my sunshine......
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    quote:
    Op donderdag 11 september 2008 22:15 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Vandaag de verklaringen van werknemers in de Tapasbar/restaurant op 4-5-2007, de dag na de vermissing, gelezen op mccannfiles:
    [..]
    Goedemiddag!
    Zo dan, erg verhelderend, Gerry een half uur van tafel voor de vermissing en geen blonde rasta in sight bij het personeel.
    quote:
    Opvallend, géén melding dat Jeremy Wilkens die avond een korte ontmoeting had met Gerry McCann < hij meldde dat wel in z'n verklaring en vertelde dat ook aan Kate zo verteld ze in haar verklaring. Ook Jane Tanner meldt het gesprekje tussen Gerry en Jeremy, zij had ze zien praten, beide heren hebben haar niet gezien. Jane meldde die ontmoeting ook aan Russel O'Brien en Rachael Oldfield. Jeremy Wikens's vrouw, Bridget O'Donell, meldt die ontmoeting tussen haar man en Gerry ook in een nogal ongeloofwaardig verhaal (dec. 2007). Vreemd dat de man in kwestie, Jeremy Wilkens, daarover niet rept...Maar zijn verhaal staat wel hier: The McCann Case: Jeremy Wilkins and the woman in purple Hierin meldt hij ook die man met “rasta” hair. Waarom hij dan niks zegt in z'n eerste verklaring over z'n ontmoeting met Gerry is raar. Het lijkt op een verzonnen verhaal wat later is ingevuld door Jeremy en zln vrouw, mogelijk onder druk....discussies zijn hier te lezen.
    Nee idd, vind je het ook niet vreemd dat naar mate de tijd vordert er details bovenkomen die helemaal niet geferifieerd kunnen worden en absoluut niet in de eerste verhoren naar boven zijn gekomen, toch een raar iets het geheugen......
    quote:
    En verder een grote snipper uit een interview met, daar issie weer, Amaral. Gelezen op mccannfiles (DiarioMetro):
    [..]

    Sapperderflap, waneer gaat het team McCann Amaral eens voor het gerecht dagen! Dat is volgens velen ook de bedoeling van Amaral, speldenprikjes uitdelen, uitdagen...kom maar op Kate en Gerry, wat is er niet waar aan wat ik vertel en blijf vertellen...
    Heel goed, als er iemand is die hen het vuur aan de schenen kan leggen is hij het wel, mooi prikjes uit blijven delen zou ik zeggen.

    Hier het rondje Anorak:
    quote:
    International Madeleine McCann: And Eye For Denise Pipitone And Finding Rose Pizem
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found safe and well after four years’”

    Italy has it’s own Maddie. Like Isreal? Are we working throught alphabet? If so, look out Jamaica…

    Urgent DNA tests are being carried out on the eight year old girl found in Greece to see if she is Denise Pipitone, who vanished in 2004. She missing from outside her grandmother’s house while playing.

    And?

    News of the discovery will bring fresh hope to Gerry and Kate McCann after their daughter disappeared in Portugal last year, and for the parents of Ben Needham who vanished in 1991 from the same Greek island, Kos, where the Italian girl was found.

    Like Our Maddie?

    The DNA tests were ordered after Denise’s mother Piera, shown photographs of the girl found in Greece, said the “shape of the eyes was exactly that” of her daughter.

    DAILY MIRROR: “DNA tests on ‘Italian Madeleine’”

    Madeleine McCann has been missing since last May. A spokesman for her parents said: “If this is Denise then it will give Kate and Gerry immense strength and hope that Madeleine will be found.”

    TIMES: “Missing girl Denise Pipitone ‘found begging’ after four-year search”

    Greek police traced the Roma woman, 34, who was charged with abducting a minor. One police official said that the girl had the same birthmark under her left eye as Denise, and only spoke Italian. She is being kept under observation in the island’s hospital. The case is as well known in Italy as that of Madeleine McCann. Denise’s mother, Piera Maggio, has made repeated appeals on television for help in finding her.

    Italians know of their own missing child as well as they do of Our Maddie?

    DAILY MAIL: “Girl dubbed Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found alive and well’ four years after she vanished”

    Denise’s mother Piera, who said the birthmark and the shape of the eyes were ‘exactly the same’ as her daughter’s. She added that there had been numerous false alarms in the past, so she would not allow herself to get her hopes up.

    But the media can get your hopes up for you…

    Last night the McCanns’ family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: ‘If these reports are true it is fantastic news for her family. But it would also give hope to Kate and Gerry because this is exactly the sort of situation that could prove that a child can go missing and be found safe and well.’

    If…

    THE SCOTSMAN: “Remains may be missing girl”

    ISRAELI divers yesterday found a suitcase containing remains police believe belong to a missing girl whose grandfather is being held on suspicion of killing her.

    The discovery in Tel Aviv’s Yarkon River marked a breakthrough in the case of four-year old Rose Pizem – missing since May. Her disappearance has transfixed Israel.

    HA-ARETZ (Israel): “Until the next tragedy”

    Faced with a suspect with a devilish face, an exciting and unusual family story, searches in the river - the Yarkon has never before raised such interest - and a murder without a body, we absolutely wallowed in this story. Oh, how we loved hearing the sexologist talk about the couple’s therapy the two lovers received, grandfather and mother forever. How we wanted to peek further and further into the “Israeli Madeleine McCann” family, which suddenly appeared in our lives; we invaded it with a mixture of voyeurism, gossip and a pinch, just a pinch, of real concern for the missing girl’s fate. Someone will make a film about it.

    GREAT YARMOUTH MERCURY: “Visit church in cyberspace”

    At 900 years old, a global opening ceremony for Great Yarmouth’s magnificent parish church might seem somewhat belated…

    But in cyber world virtual people called avatars are teleporting into St Nicholas’ for a zoom around the vestry or even a stroll on the roof.

    For the landmark building has been transported lock stock and wonky weather cock into the 3D virtual reality world of Second Life and now ranks among hundreds of real buildings turned into cartoon locations on the booming internet enterprise where 10m people from all over the world mingle.

    Second Life…

    Playboy has its own bunny-shaped island and British police have posted missing Madeleine McCann posters on virtual buildings.

    Have you seen Madeleine McCann?
    Goh, na 4 jaar een meisje teruggevonden, maar goed, van haar was bekend dat ze ontvoerd was, ik heb in geval van Maddie geen enkel bewijs gezien dat zij ook ontvoerd is, integendeel.....

    Natuurlijk wordt hier door team McCann dankbaar gebruik van gemaakt, wie weet komt er nog een grote geldschieter bovendrijven...

    (ik ben dit weekeinde weg, kom zondag terug, als ik niet post is het niet omdat ik er geen zin in heb, ik ben er gewoon niet. )
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op vrijdag 12 september 2008 12:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Goedemiddag!
    Zo dan, erg verhelderend, Gerry een half uur van tafel voor de vermissing en geen blonde rasta in sight bij het personeel.
    [..]

    Nee idd, vind je het ook niet vreemd dat naar mate de tijd vordert er details bovenkomen die helemaal niet geferifieerd kunnen worden en absoluut niet in de eerste verhoren naar boven zijn gekomen, toch een raar iets het geheugen......
    [..]

    Heel goed, als er iemand is die hen het vuur aan de schenen kan leggen is hij het wel, mooi prikjes uit blijven delen zou ik zeggen.

    Hier het rondje Anorak:
    [..]

    Goh, na 4 jaar een meisje teruggevonden, maar goed, van haar was bekend dat ze ontvoerd was, ik heb in geval van Maddie geen enkel bewijs gezien dat zij ook ontvoerd is, integendeel.....

    Natuurlijk wordt hier door team McCann dankbaar gebruik van gemaakt, wie weet komt er nog een grote geldschieter bovendrijven...

    (ik ben dit weekeinde weg, kom zondag terug, als ik niet post is het niet omdat ik er geen zin in heb, ik ben er gewoon niet. )
    Hooi all. Inderdaad, Amaral heeft kennelijk een plan uitgestippeld (misschien stiekem met medeweten van de PJ wegens het niet rondkrijgen van de zaak), en nadenkend over de titel van Amaral's boek The Truth Off The Lie (geniaal bedacht trouwens) zou het zomaar kunnen dat hij zelf er een vette leugen in heeft gestopt. Dat Madeleine niet op 3 mei is overleden maar eerder....gezien de getuigenissen van betrokken die nergens specifiek melden Madeleine op 3 mei te hebben gezien heb ik zo mijn vermoedens. Misschien bestaat die familie Smith helemaal niet maar is dat een uitgekiend verzinsel van het team McCann, opdat dat ook weer een 'bewijs' is dat Madeleine is gezien, krom gedacht, maar nog heel siimpel als je de spinsels van Clarence Mitchell moet geloven. Net als dat ontvoeringsverhaal van dat meisje wat nu gevonden is, na 4 jaar. Vandaag blijkt het trouwens niet het meisje Denise Pipitone te zijn, Maar alle ingredienten van het verhaal zaten er in, ontvoerd vlakbij het huis van oma (remember, vergelijkbaar qua afstand volgens de McCanns tussen de Tapasbar < > apartement, A gipsy woman etc etc Puntje nog, er moest nog DNA worden onderzocht. Daily Mail Maar het is dus niet zo: But DNA tests proved the girl was not Denise, but in fact the child of the woman arrested.
    By jove, you're all disgusting, using other people's misery to put this stories in the newspapers, makng money, misusing all your contacts with other missing children organisations in different countries. By the way, this girl is called Denise Pipitone and not Italy's Madeleine McCann. Shame on you...
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    Een nogmaals een interview met Amaral, voormalig leider van het onderzoek en schrijver van het boek The Truth of the lie, bron > mccannfiles:
    quote:
    "The McCanns are parents who have lost their daughter, whom they loved very much and I understand their pain and anguish" hola.com
    11-09-2008 Thanks to 'Ines' for translation
    The former inspector from the Portuguese Policía Judiciaria presents "Maddie, the truth of the lie", an account of the most media covered investigation of recent times.

    "Maddie, the truth of the lie". That is the title that Gonçalo Amaral, former inspector of the Policía Judiciaria and coordinator of the investigation into the "Madeleine case" during the first five months, has chosen in order to reveal how the search for the little Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on 3rd May 2007 from the Algarve, was carried out.

    The text summarises the doubts, facts and the questions of an unprecedented investigation. 14 months after the disappearance all suspicion has been lifted from Kate and Gerry McCann, the child's parents, and the case has been filed, but little Madeleine is still missing.

    Gonçalo is a tall and corpulent man, as we could imagine of a police officer who has worked against crime for more than 25 years and who, for the first five months bore the weight of the most media covered investigation of recent times, the disappearance of Maddie. Yesterday Gonçalo presented the book in Madrid, surrounded by a large media expectation and made room in his agenda to talk to Hola.com.

    Q: The disappearance of Madeleine has been one of the most followed cases by the press throughout the world. Now you have decided to publish a book about the investigation, was there anything left to say?

    I decided to write the book to defend our dignity. Part of the British press and even the McCann couple have defamed my name and that of the Policía Judiciaria in Portugal; I requested authorisation to speak but I never obtained it, that is why I decided to write the book.

    Q: What relationship do you have with the McCann couple?

    I was the head of the department investigating the case within the Policía Judiciaria in Portimao. I was responsible for organising the work of the investigation and ensuring that it continued on course, and therefore I was with the couple once or twice as well as with all the witnesses and with inspectors working on the case. I do not want to discuss publicly with the McCanns, they have lost a daughter. Neither I, nor the parents are of interest, the only victim here is the little girl.

    Q: We are obliged to ask this question. Do you know what happened to Madeleine?

    Madeleine died in the apartment on the night of the disappearance. It is complicated to be sure how she died because there are many indications. What is certain is that the girl woke up, the girl has disappeared and that behind the sofa there was cadaver odour and human blood.

    Q: You state that the girl fell from the sofa, they found her and that her father took her to the beach.

    Yes. There are witnesses who claim to be 80% sure that Madeleine's father was the person who was carrying a covered child towards the beach, in the apartment cadaver odour and the girl's blood were found as well as in a car rented 23 days later. In the apartment there was a sofa next to a window, at a aheight of three or four metres from street level and which did not close properly. The sofa appears to have been pushed towards the wall again, as can be seen by the photos. What could have happened? The girl woke up during the night, went to the window in order to look towards the restaurant where her parents were dining and could have fallen.

    Q: The book says that the witness statements from the couple and their friends are contradictory. Is it not normal for there to be some confusion during these moments of tension?

    There are contradictions that are not possible in material terms. For example, the mother speaks of an open window (when she discovered the little girl to be missing) and I wonder how it can be that the witnesses responsible for checking on the children, who passed by the window, at a distance of only two metres, and who entered Madeleine's room, said that they saw the window was closed. If events had occurred according to the first version, the window should already have been open. There are many contradictions that lack truth. If one reads a summary of the movements told by these persons, there are things that are not certain.

    Q: How is it possible that the first examination of the site, carried out by the technical police, was not sufficiently rigorous in order to provide conclusive evidence?

    Unfortunately this is something that can happen. The first police officers who went to the site thought of a possible abduction as well as theft, they did not find any door or window that had been forced, they searched for finger prints from people unrelated to the apartment and witness statements from people who could have seen something in the street. It did not occur to them that the parents could have had anything to do with the girl's disappearance.

    Q: Did you think from the beginning that this was not an abduction?

    It is not normal that someone should insist and be determined that this was an abduction without considering another option. When a child disappears, one thinks she could have escaped and many other hypotheses. And the contradictions from all of them, lead one to think that something totally different happened. We worked on the abduction theory for two or three months and then we began to think about the theory of death.

    Q: The police continued maintaining the abduction theory after considering that the girl was dead. Why?

    The parents spoke of the abduction as a necessity. There was no security for the children because if there had been Maddie would not have disappeared. And the abduction theory was dropped when it was proved that it could not be based upon the open window.

    Q: In the book you state that even Kate, the young girl's mother, at one moment assumed the death of her daughter. Let's talk of this moment.

    Yes. As is mentioned in the files, once the entire world had been upturned with the search for the child, Kate received a disturbing email from a woman who claimed to have powers. This woman said that she had had a premonition according to which, Madeleine's body was in a sewer in Praia da Luz. At that moment, Kate believed in the premonition and a search for the little girl was made. Kate began to act as though she were assuming that Madeleine had died; she even contracted a former South African Colonel who could locate the girl's body using a machine that searches for atoms. The man participated in the search, but without success. There were many psychics who wanted to contribute. However, at that time Kate returned to her thesis that the small girl had been abducted.

    Q: More controversial evidence. The dogs detected cadaver and blood odour, but these conclusions were not admitted as official evidence. What credibility does dog tracking have in police investigations?

    In England it has much legal value, as in the States, but not in Portugal. Its credibility has been undervalued, it has been said that dogs obey the trainer's voice. But they found cadaver odour and human blood that coincided with Madeleine's blood and although it was not admitted as material evidence, it did serve as information for the police.

    Q: The consideration of Kate and Gerry as suspects was very controversial. However, in your book you say that the status of "arguido" brings with it the right to silence, or that of non self-incrimination, something advantageous for any person being interrogated. The press understood it as an attack.

    They were considered "arguidos" on the moment when the evidence indicated that they could have committed a crime. "Arguido" is not the same status as "accused" in Spain, it is a status that provides the rights to defend oneself and remain silent, and often serves in order to exonerate them later. If one speaks as a witness, one is obliged to speak of everything that happened, and therefore there are things that could make you culpable.

    Q: The media has played an important role in this case. Has all this media expectation helped to find the girl?

    No. In my opinion, justice is done in silence. And with all this noise, it is very difficult. I say: who is interested in all this publicity? All the "sightings" of the girl around the world? Does this help to keep her alive? No, they would kill her. And the parents do not want their daughter to die, so why do they publicise the sightings? Because they know the girl is dead. Otherwise they would not do it.

    Q: But, how can parents maintain the abduction theory of their small daughter, if they know what really happened to her?

    It is a way of moving forward, of surviving. It is like a snowball that keeps growing in size. With everything that they have stirred, with the financial fund they created, how can they step backwards and say that she died? It is not a case of coldness but of survival. But the police investigation was also centred from the start on the principle that Maddie was alive. In effect, and all those sightings that were made public were not beneficial to the girl. If she were alive, and not dead as we think, what would all this publicity do to the girl?

    Q: How did you experience the search for Maddie? Has this case affected you?

    There have been some very difficult moments. My family has suffered much, my wife and my daughters… I kept them away from the press and concentrated on the case. In September, when school started, they left our city for Portimao in order to be closer to me but they had to go back. The press followed us and tried to find out where we lived. It is only now that it is known who they were, now that I have decided to publish the book.

    Q: Can we learn anything from such a tragic case as the story of poor Maddie?

    Unfortunately for the girl, her case has served as a case study. Before I left the police force, on 30th July of this year, a commission had already been set up in order to establish a better way of dealing with this kind of situation.

    Q: You have entitled the book "The truth of the lie". What is the big lie in this story?

    The truth of the lie is what we call the material truth, the pure truth. The truths are the analyses, the procedures and the mechanism that are covered in the case. The lie, or in other words, the lack of truth, is that the girl is alive. The girl is dead. The McCanns are parents who have lost a daughter whom they surely loved very much and I understand their pain and anguish.

    Q: Do you believe that we will know what happened to Maddie one day? Will we get to know the truth?

    Yes. There were 9 people in this Holiday Group. Maybe they do not know that the girl is dead, but they could have received instructions about what to say, such as "you went to the room and you saw the girl", however they know that this is not true. By that means the case could be re-opened; one day the full truth could be known.
    Discussies zijn hier te lezen. 'Enjoy' team McCann & friends...

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    Bingo, nog een interview met Amaral, al was het alleen maar om het team McCann te treiteren én de Britse pers weigert ook maar iets uit de openbaar gemaakte files te publiceren. Hier heeft Amaral het over: "I do not know, it probably had much to do with changing the British police. Whilst the family were in Portugal there was a colleague who supported the thesis of the death of the girl. Later when the couple left Portugal, he changed his line of argument returning to the thesis of abduction; and that change, from one to the other, could have been due to some political pressure because of the significance of the media event. The parents raised more than 2 million pounds to find the girl, do not forget that those dates coincided with the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon. Anyway, it is not understood, not only my retirement, but the filing of the proceedings." En dat heb ik ook altijd beweerd, zie een eerder post met daar in links naar oudere posten o.a. uit december, PM Gordon Brown presteerde het zelfs te laat te komen voor die historische ondertekening van het Lissabon Verdrag (die Portiugal zo graag geslaagd wilde zien en daar heeft Brown schandalig misbruik van gemaakt) én de fotoshoot daarna, hij was niet aanwezig, te laat. Gelezen op mccannfiles
    quote:
    Gonçalo Amaral, police chief of the Madeleine case : "Justice is working in silence" Granada Digital

    Lisardo García Friday, 12/09/2008 08:39

    In the pages of his book 'Maddie. The truth of lie', the reader is confronted with mixed feelings: the agony of parents for their missing daughter and the stubborn quest of a policeman to know what happened that night of May 3rd 2007.

    He has spent all his life in the Police; On May 3rd 2007 he was directing the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimao, a city on the Portuguese Algarve. Before 12 o'clock that night a phone call changed his life, he was notified of the disappearance of a 4-year old English girl in Lagos, in an urbanisation called Vila da Luz. He led the investigation for five months until October 2nd 2007 when he was removed without warning. Now comes to light a book which explains what happened: His truth.

    GD .- Reading this book, reveals the strong personal and emotional impact that these events have had on you. Is that true?

    Yes it is true, but this has nothing to do with any revenge; it answers to the need to respond to many accusations, to many slanders suffered, both personal and at corporate level. During the time I handled the investigation I always said: Justice is working in silence, but in the end I could do no more, I asked my superiors permission to respond to so many lies, but I was refused. I was forced to leave the police in July 2008, after the case was archived, and after 27 years in the Force, to have the freedom to express myself and restore my honour.

    GD .- If Justice is working in silence, is this book a cry to have not stopped working?

    If it is true, it is a way of saying that it is better to have honour without life, than life without honour.

    THE ERRORS OF THE INVESTIGATION

    GD .- Following the report of the disappearance, a police squad arrived at the scene. What went wrong?

    I do not intend to blame any colleague, although the photo report left much to be desired, by not collecting any person in those photos, when there were a lot of people in the house that night, it would have been important to have that. There were also weaknesses in taking fingerprints. It was normal, we were a small police station without specialised personnel in an investigation of this nature.

    Gonçalo Amaral says that Madeleine McCann died that night of May 3, by accident, that an abduction was simulated and that the corpse was hidden, the parents being suspected of this crime.

    GD .- What were the most important facts and evidence which led to the parents of Maddie being declared arguidos (suspects)?

    Fundamentally the reports from the DNA laboratory in England confirmed the work of the British police dogs who found a cadaver odour and biological traces of the girl in several rooms of the apartment, on the clothes of the mother and in the car that the McCanns rented twenty days after the disappearance of Maddie; another important test is the statement by the Irish family, Smith, who stated that they recognised the father Gerry McCann carrying a girl in his arms, who seemed to be asleep, at 23h00 that night.

    GD .- Then, why did your place in the investigation cease and the case be provisionally dismissed recently?

    I do not know, it probably had much to do with changing the British police. Whilst the family were in Portugal there was a colleague who supported the thesis of the death of the girl. Later when the couple left Portugal, he changed his line of argument returning to the thesis of abduction; and that change, from one to the other, could have been due to some political pressure because of the significance of the media event. The parents raised more than 2 million pounds to find the girl, do not forget that those dates coincided with the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon. Anyway, it is not understood, not only my retirement, but the filing of the proceedings.

    THE WORK OF THE INVESTIGATION AND THE MASS MEDIA

    GD .- How do you remember the work of those days?

    That it was very hard, working with a lot of pressure, especially from the media that had moved there; there was a huge television presence and an investigation requires a lot of discretion that unfortunately we did not have. I felt like I was kidnapped, we could not eat or go anywhere peacefully. In addition, it was not the only issue that we carried. That was hard, very hard.

    GD .- How did you work then?

    We sought out a place far away, where all the police officers could meet, it was the called the crisis cabinet, there we shared all the information and decided the steps to continue; it was an investigation of the team, not of a single person.

    ON THE FUTURE

    GD .- What will be the future of this case?

    Right now the summary is closed, if new evidence or the Smith family were willing to testify in Portugal, maybe things would change. I hope that in time it will be the Judge who gives or removes reasons.

    GD .- What now? What is your professional future?

    I'm thinking of working in support tasks to law firms, preparing criminal reports; conduct investigations. That is my future that I hope will be interesting.

    There are many journalists waiting to interview this former policeman; it is noted that he is tired and, at the same time, satisfied; having given his version, he has recomposed the puzzle, his puzzle. In the book's pages the reader will be faced with mixed feelings: the agony of parents for their missing daughter and the stubborn quest of a policeman to know what happened that night of May 3, 2007. The reader and time will have their say.
    Overiges is de positie van PM Gordon Brown ter discussie, zijn poten onder zijn stoel zijn wankel, heel wankel. Natuurlijk speelt de credit crunch een grote rol maar zoals ik het lees en hoor is er een vette whispering campaign aan de gang met een duidelijk ongenoegen naar het onderlinge gekonkel over een aantal zaken, waaronder mogelijk die veel besproken (op fora en blogs) ongeoorloofde bemoeienis van Gordon Brown mbt de McCanns én de monddood gemaakte Britse pers.

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    >>> Kate and Gerry McCann - 'why would that be our fault?' <<<

    [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 13-09-2008 15:14:44 ]
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    'Iedereen' nog oke hier? Anyway, The News Of The World heeft een enorm lang zeikverhaal gepubliceerd met dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann welke ze heeft bijgehouden van April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31 2007. Zelf lezen dan maar, ook op mccannfiles. Heb het nog niet helemaal gelezen, maar een eerste blik levert al direct één vette leugen op, dat ze die falale avond/nacht gezocht hebben. Not, zoals inmiddels wel bekend is en wat ze zelf ook heeft toegegeven in interviews. Algemeen is aangenomen dat deze schrijfsels niet interessant zijn en mogelijk gefabriceerd zijn door Kate wetend dat ze zouden worden gelezen.

    Gelezen op mccannfiles: "Policemen consider that Kate McCann's diary was made on purpose to influence the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance.Several police sources that are connected to the process told Rádio Clube that Kate’s diary does not look like an intimate portrait, as would be usual, and that it seems to have been made on purpose to be found by the authorities. The diary was not distributed to the journalists but Radio Clube had access to the writings of Kate McCann."

    Interessanter zijn de fragmenten die zijn geschreven vlak na de geboorte van de tweeling, die dagboeken zijn nooit vrijgegeven wegen privacy. Een fragment daaruit, gelezen op mccannfiles uit de Spaanse krant El Mundo: "Sedatives. The Police went so far as to consider the hypothesis that the death of Madeleine had been caused by an overdose of sedatives. From Kate’s diary can be inferred her difficulties in controlling the child, "hyperactive" according to the mother. Kate’s father went so far as to speculate in public (albeit to deny it) with that possibility. It was also published that after the birth of the twins, Madeleine was subjected to treatment to control jealousy and the doctors prescribed tranquilizers. The track of the pills also faded away, although the twins slept like as angels in the presence of 40 people the night in question."

    Het is ook natuurlijk een reactie op die video's van snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie, en mogelijk een aanzet om Kate in the picture te zetten, ze was nogal geslachtofferd en dat moet worden rechtgezet. De eerste reacties zijn hier te lezen.

    Rare druif Mike Hitchen, maar soms best 'lekker' om te lezen, hij schrijft het volgende:
    quote:
    Sunday, September 14, 2008

    Madeleine McCann: Diary Of an Unconvincing Woman

    The News of The World, a British newspaper universally regarded as a waste of a good tree, publishes a heart wrenching diary written by Kate McCann, the woman who along with her dual-persona husband made a conscious decision to leave three little children unattended while they went off for a night out with typical British lager louts abroad.

    Kate, you go to great lengths describing how you close bedroom doors, how in the days after Madeleines alleged disappearance you spent time preparing yourself for interviews, receiving phone calls from Gordon Brown and talking to Tony Blair, meeting the Pope, going to amusement parks, jogging, walking on the beach - in fact you mention the beach quite a lot (as did the detective who was formerly head of the investigation, but you know that don't you Kate).

    You also mention the rights of "a vulnerable, defenceless child?" Kate, I know this is a stupid question but if you feel so strongly about the rights of vulnerable, defenceless children (your own words) why did you repeatedly leave a three year old in charge of younger siblings?

    In fact Kate, you mention a lot of activities - including picking up drunks and walking them home (with a comment "we've all been there"). However there is one activity you fail to mention in your carefully crafted but transparent self-protection exercise.

    Searching for Madeleine.

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    En tot slot een meer uitgebreider stukje video van de snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie, gelezen op het 3arguidoforum. Gepubliceerd op TV1, eerst te volgen via Real Player en nu ge-YouTubed, 7 min 47:


    Een poster aldaar schreef: "This is a great video on the dogs which contains a fair bit more information and more visuals than the 3 that have previously been posted. I am amazed that there have been so few comments.

    Four things stood out above all the rest - for me at least:
    1. Martin Grime makes it plain there was no need to put Eddie in the Scenic (cf what he says earlier in the video about the apartment).
    2. Again from the mouth of Mr Grime, Eddie barks ONLY when he locates the odour of a human cadaver and at NOTHING else. Doesn't even bark at other dogs or strangers.
    3. The close-ups of the clothing alerted to by Eddie dispels a lot of confusion I read in previous threads on here about exactly what red shirt and pants were involved.
    4. There is a lot more footage of Eddie at work ignoring other parts of the apartment and it also shows he was not 'led on' as much as some would have us believe.

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    >>> Madeleine - DNA / Forensic Science Service <<<

    [ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Suko op 14-09-2008 12:08:09 (typo) ]
      zondag 14 september 2008 @ 12:40:41 #268
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Dankjewel Suko, mooi leesvoer, ik ben er weer hoor.
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Diary Of an Unconvincing Woman
    The News of The World, a British newspaper universally regarded as a waste of a good tree, publishes a heart wrenching diary written by Kate McCann, the woman who along with her dual-persona husband made a conscious decision to leave three little children unattended while they went off for a night out with typical British lager louts abroad.

    Kate, you go to great lengths describing how you close bedroom doors, how in the days after Madeleines alleged disappearance you spent time preparing yourself for interviews, receiving phone calls from Gordon Brown and talking to Tony Blair, meeting the Pope, going to amusement parks, jogging, walking on the beach - in fact you mention the beach quite a lot (as did the detective who was formerly head of the investigation, but you know that don't you Kate).

    You also mention the rights of "a vulnerable, defenceless child?" Kate, I know this is a stupid question but if you feel so strongly about the rights of vulnerable, defenceless children (your own words) why did you repeatedly leave a three year old in charge of younger siblings?

    In fact Kate, you mention a lot of activities - including picking up drunks and walking them home (with a comment "we've all been there"). However there is one activity you fail to mention in your carefully crafted but transparent self-protection exercise.

    Searching for Madeleine.
    Rare druif Mike Hitchen is weer op dreef.
    be nice or go away
      zondag 14 september 2008 @ 12:47:39 #269
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Rondje Anorak, sluit mooi aan bij je eerdere posts, het commentaar wilde ik jullie niet onthouden.
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann: Inside Kate McCann’s Diary, The Care Blairs And Algarve Paedos
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    NEWS OF THE WORLD (front page): “Kate’s Diary”

    Here’s the news you’ve been waiting for. Here are selected extracts from Kate McCanns’ diary that was leaked on July 28, 2008. It is now September and the NOTW has the, er, scoop.

    “For the first time the heartbreaking TRUTH that destroys the lies of Portuguese police.”

    Maddie… Maddie who? We’re watching the parents. If only the Cuddle Cat could talk - perhaps a tabloid writer could get inside the mind of the Cuddle Cat and tell us what really happened? It could be worth millions- like those diaries.

    “PLEASE GOD IS SHE DEAD? - Read Kate McCann’s diary”

    Isn’t it rude to read someone else’s diary? We don’t wish to pry…

    Kate wrote: “I can’t bear being without Madeleine. It’s like torture— a slow painful death.”

    Hearing the parents…

    Kate’s log of the dark days after Madeleine vanished from their holiday flat reveals the true picture of the tortured woman behind the calm, brave face she had to portray in public, as initial disbelief and numbness gave way to desperation and rage. Often she includes touching messages of love to her missing daughter. It confirms the strength Kate drew from her devout Catholic faith—and frankly admits the doubts the trauma forced her to face.

    And it’s entertaining, too…

    But knowing what is about to befall them turns Kate’s simple account of the children’s evening bedtime routine into a tense drama…

    Stay tuned…

    THURSDAY, MAY 3: Milk and biscuits for the kids. I left them with this and books and games and went to have a quick shower/wash my hair. M (Madeleine) tired—sitting on my lap—I read the story of Mog (favourite children’s book).

    Brush teeth. To the bedroom with the kids. M pulls away and puts her head on pillow. Kisses goodnight for M. Pulled the door to as far as possible without shutting it. Silence.

    Dry hair. Put make-up on. Glass of wine. Restaurant.

    (During dinner nearby with friends —dubbed the Tapas 7—the group took turns to check the children. At 10pm Kate discovers Madeleine gone. The McCanns and helpers frantically scour the area until 4am.)

    Cue credits. Stay tuned…

    FRIDAY, MAY 4: No sleep, Gerry and I started looking through the streets around 06.00 as it was starting to get light. Nobody around. Why not? Desperate.

    Minutes seem like hours. Outside of the apartments masses of people asking questions about that night and for descriptions of Madeleine. Long day.

    (Then Kate, Gerrry and their seven friends were taken to the Policia Judiciaria, or PJ, headquarters in nearby Portimao to give statements.)

    Nobody from the police introduced themselves. Nobody offered us a drink or food. All the police dressed informally and smoking. No sympathy was shown and far from inspiring.

    I believe my statement would have been around 15.00 and such. They allowed G (Gerry) to come in with me but seated behind me. Translator present.

    The police officer who took us by car to the station was the one asking the questions and afterwards typed the answers on a typewriter. Morose.

    We left the police station around 7.30pm to 8pm. After 15 minutes we received a call from the PJ saying we had to go back but they didn’t tell us why. We turned around and flew back at around 200 kilometres an hour. Once again frightening. Did they find her? Please God. Is she dead? Prayers. We arrived—they showed us a photo of a girl they’d forgotten to show us from the close circuit TV footage. Not M. Devastating.

    It’s never Madeleine. Not yet. But still the media points fingers…

    WEDNESDAY, MAY 23: Gordon Brown (then Chancellor and PM in waiting) called and spoke with Gerry -very kind and giving encouragement.

    MAY 31: Two days later her diary recalls: “Pope Benedict XVI arrived in his “pope mobile” waving to everyone. It immediately became clear that he recognised us. He took hold of our hands and he was so gentle, so sincere.
    “I thanked him for having allowed us to be there with him. He said he would pray for us and that he would continue to pray for Madeleine and for her safe return. I gave him the photo of Madeleine—he blessed it (with the thumb)—something that we would be able to keep for ever. A shy man but very friendly.

    It’s the big news story, and people want in…

    SUNDAY, JUNE 17: Cherie Blair (then the Premier’s wife) phoned to find out how we were…

    I also had the chance to speak to Tony (then Prime Minister) who told me that we weren’t to hesitate to ask him if there was something he could do to help.

    And what did they do?

    SATURDAY, JUNE 2: I can’t remember today (which is now yesterday!). The morning was spent doing paperwork. I wrote a letter to JK Rowling, asking for her help in keeping M in the public eye. She has a new Harry Potter book which will come out in July. I asked if it would be possible to do something like a bookmark with M on.

    Rowling did help with the reward. The big names wer massing around the big story…

    SATURDAY, JUNE 2: Cried again in bed—I can’t avoid it. I need her close to me. Thinking about her fear of pain breaks my heart. Thinking about paedophiles makes me want to tear at my own skin. Of course these people, like psychopaths, aren’t “normal” human beings.I was never in favour of the death penalty, but these people should be kept in a secure place.

    Paedos!

    SUNDAY PEOPLE: “MADDIE COPS IN PAEDOS BUNGLE”

    Paedos!

    Furious British police threatened legal action against Portugal’s Madeleine McCann investigation cops in a row over paedophiles, The People can reveal.

    Paedos!!!

    Portuguese officers planned to name up to 80 British sex pests who were known to be in the country at the time the youngster went missing.

    Why would they do that?

    But Leicestershire force’s Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior blocked the move, claiming that naming registered sex offenders would do nothing to help the Maddie investigation - and could lead to vigilante attacks.

    Yes, that sounds right and proper.

    A legal source close to Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 40, said yesterday: “There was a huge row between the British and Portuguese police which was finally settled out of court.”

    So British and Portuguese police did liaise and agreed on certain things. How does this make the Portuguese bungling?

    VENTURA COUNTY STAR: “Safety vs. independence Parents worry about kids traveling alone”

    As a child, Debbie Veney Robinson rode city buses to school starting in the second grade. But this year, her 12-year-old daughter, Maya, is safely buckled in the car for the ride to eighth grade at a Catholic school.

    Parents around the country are struggling to decide how their kids get to school — walk, ride a bike, take a bus or be driven by an adult — in a landscape they say has changed since they were kids.

    Robinson, who lives in Washington, D.C., is among those who walked or rode public transportation when they were kids, but now drive their children to middle school or walk them to a bus stop half a block away.

    “I do worry about children being abducted, because it happens,” Robinson said. “I think the best choice is to protect them as long as you can.”

    And Our Maddie?

    Many experts say parents’ fears of abduction are overblown, a result of intensive media coverage of cases like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who vanished while on vacation with her parents in Portugal last year.

    Madeleine McCann: spreading the fear
    Zien jullie ook een verschuiving in de berichten of is bij mij de wens de vader van de gedachte? Het lijkt wel of er nu openlijk wordt getwijfeld en de uitingen van de McCanns nu met de langverwachte spot en ironie worden ontvangen. The Saga continuous....
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op zondag 14 september 2008 12:47 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Rondje Anorak, sluit mooi aan bij je eerdere posts, het commentaar wilde ik jullie niet onthouden.
    [..]

    Zien jullie ook een verschuiving in de berichten of is bij mij de wens de vader van de gedachte? Het lijkt wel of er nu openlijk wordt getwijfeld en de uitingen van de McCanns nu met de langverwachte spot en ironie worden ontvangen. The Saga continuous....
    Hooi Kahaarin, ja goed stukkie he van Mike, gekke man maar af en toe de punten op de i is prettig lezen. Eigenlijk zie ik nog geen verschuiving of twijfel van de Britse pers. Wel een poging van de Telegraph zoals je weet maar heel rap weer offline gehaald. Alleen blogs en fora zijn nog steeds net zo actief als in het begin, dat is bemoedigend.

    Tot nu tot alleen het slot gelezen van die b*ll uit The News Of The Lies World, over het bezoek aan de paus: "Later on, Clarence (Foreign Office family liaison) told me that, before that (meeting the Pope), a butterfly had flown above and had landed on the bow on my hair." Dat deed me denken aan deze post van Milagro, uit aug 2007: "ik denk dat zoiets best kan, je eigen leugens, hoe extreem ook in dit geval, gaan geloven en om dat te kunnen is die hele heisa nodig, tot een bezoek aan de paus toe, de ultieme vergeving toch? ik bedoel, welke desperate ouder bezoekt zo kort na een verdwijning nu de paus?????????? wat is dat voor een larie? wat heb je daar aan? in mijn ogen kwam dat over als een soort absolutie vragen."
    Ik vind dat nog steeds een perfecte post!
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    En verder nog een stuk tekst bij deze eerder geposte video: "
    Martin Grime:

    'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. So, again, I would say that is a positive indication.'

    - Talking about Eddie after he had barked loudly, indicating cadaver odour, in the area behind the sofa in the McCanns holiday apartment

    'The crime scene dog has actually given me what we call a 'passive indication', where she freezes, in this spot here, which would indicate to me that there is some human blood there.'

    - Talking about Keela after she had given a 'passive indication' behind the same sofa that Eddie had indicated cadaver odour." Mcannfiles < staat nog een video op. Er komen nog meer video's op de site van Duarte levy, klik op translating.

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    >>> Kate and Gerry McCann - 'why would that be our fault?' <<<
      maandag 15 september 2008 @ 10:48:50 #271
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Even van een andere orde, die dagboekfragmenten van Kate zijn nu gepubliceerd in een Belgische krant, ik had er moeite mee om ze te lezen, ikke ikke ikke, kijk maar:
    quote:


    De Britse krant News of the World heeft het dagboek van Kate McCann, moeder van de verdwenen Maddie, gepubliceerd. Daarin vertelt McCann hoe ze de dagen na de verdwijning van haar dochter beleefde. Volgens News of the World moet de publicatie van het dagboek het beeld van een harteloze moeder die de Portugese politie van haar probeerde op te hangen, ontkrachten. "Ik kan niet zonder Madeleine", schrijft McCann onder andere. "Het is als een forteling, een trage, pijnlijke dood".

    In beslag genomen
    Het dagboek werd niet door de McCanns aan News of the World bezorgd, maar door een Portugese journalist. Het dagboek werd in oktober 2007 door de Portugese politie in beslag genomen, waarna die -volgens News of the World- zorgvuldig uitgekozen passages de wereld instuurde om de McCanns zwart te maken. Precies om die "leugens" te ontkrachten, besloot de krant het dagboek te publiceren.

    Het dagboek telt 135 pagina's en bestrijkt de periode van 28 april 2007 tot en met 31 juli 2007. News of the World startte haar publicatie met 3 mei, de dag dat Maddie verdween.

    Donderdag 3 mei: Melk en koekjes voor de kinderen. Ik gaf hen wat boeken en spelletjes terwijl ik een douche nam. M (Madeleine) was moe. Ik las nog een kinderboek voor en stopte hen in bed. (...)
    Haar drogen. Make-up opdoen en naar het restaurant.
    (Tijdens het etentje met vrienden gaan de ouders beurtelings naar de kinderen kijken. Om 22u merkt Kate dat Maddie verdwenen is. Samen met vrienden en andere mensen zoeken de McCanns tot 4u 's morgens naar Maddie).

    Vrijdag 4 mei: Niet geslapen. Gerry en ik begonnen om 6u terug te zoeken. Er was niemand. We zijn radeloos. Minuten lijken uren. Massa's mensen vragen wat er gebeurd is en vragen een beschrijving van Maddie.
    (Later die dag worden Kate, Gerry en hun zeven vrienden naar het plaatselijke politiebureau meegenomen om verklaringen af te leggen).
    Niemand van de agenten stelde zich voor. We kregen geen eten of drinken aangeboden. Agenten kwamen niet sympathiek over en leken ongeïnteresseerd.

    (...)

    Woensdag 30 mei: (na bezoek bij de paus). Raak helemaal radeloos. Raak alle hoop kwijt omdat informatie uitblijft. Politie lijkt helemaal geen idee te hebben. Ben heel bezorgd. Morgen is het vier weken geleden sinds Maddie verdween. Vier weken dat we onze 'special little girl' niet meer gezien hebben.
    We zijn niet zeker of we haar ooit nog zullen zien, maar we moeten blijven hopen en sterk blijven voor de anderen. Oververmoeid. Ik hou zoveel van je, Madeleine. Je moet terugkomen. X.

    Vrijdag 1 juni: Ben het stilaan beu. Ik kan maar niet stoppen met denken aan Maddie, aan haar angst voor pijn. Hoe kan ik verder als ik weet dat ze zo aan haar einde is gekomen. Heb deze week verschrikkelijke gedachten gehad. Alsjeblief, God, breng haar terug.

    Zaterdag 2 juni: Opnieuw geweend in bed. Ik kan er niets aan doen. Ik heb haar nodig. Gedachten over haar angst voor pijn breken mijn hart. Denken aan pedofielen maakt het alleen maar erger. Natuurlijk zijn deze personen geen mensen. Ik was nooit voor de doodstraf, maar dit soort mensen moeten veilig weggestoken worden.

    Donderdag 7 juni: Ik kan het niet meer aan. Ik kan niet zonder Madeleine. Het is als een forteling, als een trage, pijnlijke dood. Ik hoop dat haar lijden, als ze al lijdt, veel minder is als het mijne. Alsjeblieft God.

    Donderdag 21 juni: Ben alleen naar de kerk gegaan om 21u20 om op mijn eentje te bidden. Ben een beetje verveeld. Waarom antwoordt God niet?

    Dinsdag 17 juli: Ik maak me zorgen. Ik vrees dat ik in een bittere, kwade vrouw ga veranderen. Dat lijkt me verschrikkelijk. Alsjeblieft God, breng Madeleine terug en maak een einde aan deze nachtmerrie. Laat onze levens niet verwoesten door deze ellende. Laat Maddie niet lijden.
    Ze adresseerd Maddie zelf dat ze terug moet komen want zij kan niet tegen de onzekerheid, zij heeft haar nodig, zij is bang om verbitterd te raken en dat het hun levens gaat verwoesten.

    Dit snap ik niet, gillende paniek omdat je kind weg is begrijp ik, woede omdat ze nog niet is gevonden ook, ontzettende spijt omdat ze haar alleen hebben gelaten snap ik ook maar dit, zelfbeklag, veveeldheid omdat God niet antwoord, mopperen op de politie vanwege het zich niet voorstellen of eten en drinken aanbieden, het is net alsof zij het slachtoffer is van de verdwijning van hun dochter en dat de hele wereld tegen haar is.......
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op maandag 15 september 2008 10:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Even van een andere orde, die dagboekfragmenten van Kate zijn nu gepubliceerd in een Belgische krant, ik had er moeite mee om ze te lezen, ikke ikke ikke, kijk maar:
    [..]

    Ze adresseerd Maddie zelf dat ze terug moet komen want zij kan niet tegen de onzekerheid, zij heeft haar nodig, zij is bang om verbitterd te raken en dat het hun levens gaat verwoesten.

    Dit snap ik niet, gillende paniek omdat je kind weg is begrijp ik, woede omdat ze nog niet is gevonden ook, ontzettende spijt omdat ze haar alleen hebben gelaten snap ik ook maar dit, zelfbeklag, veveeldheid omdat God niet antwoord, mopperen op de politie vanwege het zich niet voorstellen of eten en drinken aanbieden, het is net alsof zij het slachtoffer is van de verdwijning van hun dochter en dat de hele wereld tegen haar is.......
    Zo is het Kahaarin, dat is wat velen op die manier hebben gelezen. Ook dat nieuwe feitje dat ze in een andere kamer sliep omdat Gerry haar die avond niet genoeg aandacht gaf. "She confirmed that this happened part way through their holiday, on the night of May 2 last year, after she argued with her husband Gerry because he ignored her." Bron Het doet me nog steeds denken aan dat profiel van een moeder die haar kind heeft omgebracht (al of niet per ongeluk), was altijd met zichzelf bezig, jaloers als een kind aandacht vroeg aan vader, vertoonde kindgedrag, ijdel, etc etc, en ook te totale ontkenning dat zij het had gedaan, alleen maar anderen de schuld geven wat háár was overkomen. Ik plaatste in een post (niet zolang geleden) een link over zo'n profiel, kan ik alleen niet meer vinden maar die analyse past pijnlijk feilloos op Kate. Dat blijkt ook nu weer uit deze dagboekfragmenten ondanks (of juist dáárom) de wetenschap dat deze zouden worden gelezen. Het gaat om Kate en nergens anders over. Maar ook dat ergerlijke geouweneel heeft een doel. Zij weten donders goed dat fora en blogs hierover als bloedhonden gaan posten, ook weer publiciteit, want ook de pro-McCanns hebben dan weer aanleiding wederom hun steun te betuigen. Keeping de McCanns in the picture, you know, no matter what...

    En verder op mccannfiles, waar ook de video's zijn gepubliceerd. en ook op SOSmaddie.be: Madeleine's red T-shirt that indicated cadaver odour



    En Gerry McCann zit ook weer uit z'n nek te l*llen: 15.9.08
    Gerry McCann: sniffer dogs are not reliable
    Sniffer dogs have a high failure rate, according to Gerry McCann. In an interview with the Portuguese weekly Expresso, when asked to comment about Eddie and Keela searches at Praia da Luz, Gerry said that a study made in USA proved that those dogs were not reliable. Sniffer dogs were tested, according to Gerry McCann, with boxes containing vegetables, bones, garbage and some human remains. For 10 hours, four sets of boxes were left in ten rooms. After the boxes were removed, the dogs were called in and “failed in two thirds of the cases”, said the father of Madeleine McCann. Eddie and Keela handler, Martin Grimes, in a statement that is in the DVD files of the investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance, says that the dogs have been used in around 200 cases and never gave a “false alert”.

    Al eerder had het team McCann het vet fout en ik plaats het weer helemaal.
    * Take note over there!
    quote:
    Op zaterdag 31 mei 2008 20:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
    <knip>
    Nog een stukje over het gebruik van sniffer dogs (Eddy en Keela waren de honden die bloedsporen en lichaamsvocht van Madeleine hebben gevonden), iets waar de McCanns via een een Amerikaanse rechtszaak hun twijfels over hadden, 16 September 2007 de Daily Mail: McCanns consult American lawyers over 'cadaver dog' evidence, een fragment:
    [..]

    Verrassing! Bron Cadaver dog 'evidence' in Zapata case shown to be correct, 31 May 2008
    Within a week of the McCanns being made arguidos and returning to the UK, their legal team had consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where cadaver dog evidence was key.

    The McCann's legal team requested the files on this case in order to discredit the reliability and effectiveness of cadaver dogs. Indeed, the judge ruled that the evidence that led to the charge could not be put before the jury. He said the dogs were too unreliable in detecting the odour of remains and noted that no remains were actually found. However, Eugene Zapata has now confessed to the crime. The cadaver dog was right. The report concerning Zapata's guilty plea can be viewed here. < Uit dit artikel: "Blanchard said because Jeanette Zapata's body was dumped in numerous Dumpsters at the landfill, there is no way to recover her remains." Hoe gruwelijk ook, de sporen op verschillende plekken zijn door die honden dus wél juist opgemerkt...


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    >>> Kate and Gerry McCann - 'why would that be our fault?' <<<
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    Interessant, Expresso publiceerde onlangs een interview (Exclusive) met de McCanns, dezelfde vragen worden nu voorgelegd aan voormalig leider van het onderzoek Amaral en schrijver van het boek The Truth Of The Lie, tussen haakjes cq cursief zijn de eerder gegeven antwoorden van de McCanns, Bron Joana Morais, ook geplaatst op het 3arguidoforum:
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    The Expresso interview revisited by Gonçalo Amaral

    “It is false, wrong, most of the replies are not true”
    by: Hernâni Carvalho
    Nobody is searching for Madeleine McCann anymore, but within the same week, an English newspaper revealed five minutes of the dogs’ work looking for Maddie, the McCanns spoke to ‘Expresso’ and Gonçalo Amaral spoke in an exclusive to ‘tvmais’. It doesn’t look like the same process anymore

    The former PJ coordinator who directed the Maddie case, Gonçalo Amaral, is more accessible. He received ‘tvmais’ in his home in Portimão and he accepted to read the interview that the McCanns gave to ‘Expresso’ with us. He accepted to reply to the same questions, but he gave very different answers. “It is false, wrong, most of the replies are not true”, was what we heard him say most often. Concerning his relationship with the couple, he says they knew each other well. “They knew who I was and they knew what my functions were.” Gonçalo Amaral left a challenge for Maddie’s mother: “The lady should explain herself better. When she said that my personal behaviour was a disgrace, was she referring to me as a father?”.

    Concerning the couple’s accusations, the former coordinator said very little. “I don’t know the McCanns’ concept of illicit enrichment. I wrote the book to defend my reputation, my dignity and that of all those who worked with me. I intend to continue to contribute to the discovery of the truth. Not everything one does in life is done for money. The statements from that couple seem to appear following an organized campaign of defamation that targeted me during and after the investigation. It will be interesting to discover who is actually responsible for that campaign.”

    During the same week in which the McCanns spoke to ‘Expresso’, the PJ’s officer who was responsible for the Maddie case, Gonçalo Amaral, answered the same questions, in an exclusive for ‘tvmais’. The result could hardly be more different.


    What impression did you get from the process? Were you shocked over its contents?
    (The McCanns mentioned entire volumes of investigations about them.)
    It is false. There were not those volumes about the McCanns that they mention in interviews.

    Don’t you think that everything that was possible to do, was done? The investigation reached Poland, the Netherlands, Spain, Morocco…
    (The couple refers examples of what went wrong with the PJ in Morocco.)
    It is false. The PJ never went to Morocco because of Maddie. The sightings were always treated by the local authorities.

    If Madeleine had disappeared in England, would things have been different?
    (Gerry says yes because the English police is more experienced in abductions.)
    Why did the McCanns never want to present a formal complaint about the girl’s disappearance with the English authorities? They have the legal competence to receive the disappearance of any British subject! Maybe the couple would have to explain the circumstances under which the little girl disappeared… Why do the McCanns insist in hiring private detectives? And by the way, has the English police already found the girl that disappeared in England, on the same day as Maddie?

    If you have an important clue concerning Madeleine’s whereabouts, will you transmit it to the Portuguese police?
    (Gerry said that only when the couple feels that they cannot advance any further on their own.)
    I don’t know whether they will do it. But in order not to feel alone, they should contact the English police…

    Do you trust the Portuguese authorities, after having been considered suspects?
    (Gerry explains that the couple was only investigated months after the disappearance and that once the suspicion is installed, they cannot prove their innocence.)
    The McCanns never trusted the Portuguese police. That is the feeling that I have. And it seems that they don’t trust the English police, either.

    Didn’t you find it strange that the dogs found traces of blood in your room and in your rental car…
    (Gerry states that “No blood was found!”)
    What is strange is the blood and the odour that were marked by the dogs in a car that was rented 23 days after the girl’s disappearance.

    40 apartments were investigated and the dogs only marked yours. Ten cars and they only reacted to yours.
    (Gerry states that the dogs failed a test in the USA.)
    The dogs only marked locations and items that were used by the McCanns, which is an indicium that cannot be simply erased and which must be clarified.

    Were you surprised when you were made arguidos?
    (Gerry says that the media spent weeks saying that the McCanns were suspects)
    They knew it already. When they were summoned, Mrs Kate reacted aggressively and screamed at the inspector who notified them. There is a detailed report of that in the process, written by the person who notified them. The worries that were expressed by Mrs Kate at that moment are very curious.

    Do you investigate information that point towards Madeleine’s death?
    (We want to find her alive, Kate stated.)
    The McCanns were the first who gave a signal that the little girl could be dead. They hired a South-African expert who finds dead missing people and it was Mrs Kate who gave us an email that mentioned that the little girl was dead.

    Do you still believe that she’s alive?
    (Kate: “There are great possibilities that she is alive, isn’t it? There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her…”)
    Maddie is dead. The Public Ministry went further and objectively mentioned homicide.

    But there are no indicia that she has been abducted, either.
    (Kate refers that Jane Tunner [sic] and the Smith couple saw a man with a little girl.)
    The only indicia with credibility result from the depositions that were given by the Smith family. They speak about a man carrying an inanimate child on the way to the beach area.

    The PJ discredits Jane Tanner’s testimony. They say that when she saw said man with the child, you [Gerry] were chatting nearby and it was impossible that you hadn’t seen him as well…
    (Gerry says he didn’t see because his back was turned while he was chatting with a friend.)
    Jane Tanner’s testimony has evolved in an inverse manner to human mentality. Initially, she had seen only a person at a distance. As time went by, she started remembering details in such a manner that at the end, she even remembered the texture of the clothing that the man and the little girl were wearing. That was how she pointed at Murat. The only deposition that is credible is the Smiths’.

    Later on, that family stated that the man they saw was Gerry…
    (Gerry says that he was at the restaurant at that time.)
    The time at which the alarm of the disappearance was raised was never confirmed. The time that was reported by the Smiths always places Mr Gerry away from the dinner table. I know that the Smiths exist since the 16th of May, 2007. The McCanns probably do, as well. Why did they never wish to mention them in public. Whoever took the little girl on that evening did in fact cross ways with the Smiths.

    Was it a coincidence that you were made arguidos on one day and returned home the next day?
    (“The PJ knew about our return.”)
    It was no coincidence. We knew about the couple’s departure since the day that the dogs started working.

    Were you afraid of being arrested?
    (Obviously… It was scary)
    False. They always knew that the crimes that were at issue, according to the Portuguese law, would not give origin to a detention unless caught in flagrant. “Concealment of a cadaver and simulation of a crime”.

    Being in England, you would not be extradited anymore.
    (Gerry: “It was better not to be in Portugal at that point in time.”)
    Theoretically, extradition is an instrument of international judiciary cooperation…

    Why?
    (Kate: “Because of the hostile environment.”)
    They were made arguidos in order to have more rights. They used them well.

    Why did Kate refuse to answer questions during your interrogation, that Gerry accepted to clarify the next day?
    (Kate says she was advised by the lawyer not to reply, Gerry says he was advised as well but preferred to disobey.)
    Wrong. The questioning was not the same. There were questions that were asked from Kate, to which only she could answer. Those questions remain unanswered until this day.

    Why didn’t you authorize the police to see the messages that you sent and received on your mobile phone on the eve of Maddie’s disappearance.
    (Gerry: “Nobody asked to see my messages.”)
    False. The couple signed an authorization and a document was made with the reading of their telephones’ registry. When we read those registries, we detected calls that had been erased and other curiosities that were noted in the process files…

    The chief inspector in the case, Tavares de Almeida, writes a report where he says that your friends lied to save you, that Maddie died in the living room, and that you hid the body.
    (Gerry: “Ask the police why they saw us as suspects.”)
    Wrong, just read the process.

    The majority of crimes where the victims are children are committed by the parents.
    (Gerry: “Not in the case of abducted children.”)
    And even in abduction cases, very often, they are related to the parents.

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    The “Sun” newspaper reduced 3 hours into 5 minutes

    The dogs that are trained to detect cadaver and human blood odour were proposed to carry out searches in Praia da Luz by the English policemen themselves. Expert Mark Harrison suggested the use of British dogs that are experts in detecting cadavers, in a report that he sent to the English police. The searches that Keela and Eddie carried out in Praia da Luz were taped on video. Tvmais has already accessed the three hours of images. British newspaper “Sun” reduced them into five minutes, changed the recording order and omitted parts of the dog handler’s explanations. Eddie and Keela are sniffer dogs of the springer spaniel breed, especially trained to detect cadaver and human blood odour. In the video, Eddie (that detects cadaver odour) can be seen in a garage where ten cars are parked. The dog runs towards the Renault Mégane [sic] that the McCanns rented 23 days after their daughter’s disappearance. Keela (trained to find blood traces) marked the boot of the same vehicle. In the same video, the dogs can be seen marking the McCanns’ apartment after searching in 40 apartments. Tvmais knows that these dogs have passed all the tests that they were subject to by the FBI, and that they never gave a single “false positive result”. According to expert Martin Grime, the dogs have not failed in over 200 searches that they have carried out until this day. Faced with the same tests, the FBI dogs did not complete one third of the tests. Keela and Eddie are protected by an insurance of 7.5 million euros each. English expert Martin Grime recently signed a millionaire contract with the FBI to work for American police. He has not left for the US yet, because the searches for cadavers in an English shelter are ongoing and the dogs are on location, fulfilling their mission to 100 percent.

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    Truth or consequence?

    When Gonçalo Amaral published “Maddie, the Truth about the Lie”, the McCanns’ spokesman announced that the couple would sue the former PJ investigation coordinator. Clarence Mitchell knew that he was bluffing. Any process against Gonçalo Amaral will allow him to reveal issues that were devalued within the Maddie process, during a trial. The devaluation prevented the process from reaching a court room. It would not be now that the couple would want some questions to get there. Furthermore, the McCanns continue to state that they have not read the book…

    Once again, Mitchell bluffed.

    Abduction, disappearance or death?

    The FindMadeleine Fund was created on the presumption that the little girl disappeared because she was abducted. The fund started to receive money from members of the public who wanted to contribute to the ongoing search for the little girl. Several detectives were hired for that, despite the fact that the McCann couple never presented a complaint about the disappearance of Madeleine to the English authorities.

    And they should, just like other British subjects did in the past. In order to search for Madeleine, among others, the detectives from agency Metodo 3 were hired, who promised to deliver the little girl on Christmas 2007. And Oakley International, which states that it employs former members of the FBI and from the British secret services. What is known from this agency’s work is the discovery that Mr Joaquim Agostinho, from Altura, in Monte Gordo, resembled the photofits? Tvmais has discovered that Oakley has presented 30.000 (?) euros during the fiscal year of 2007. Which seems to indicate that spies are on sale. But no. Just the two invoices that were written by these two agencies almost sank the FindMadeleine fund.

    Some multimillionaires that used to contribute to pay for the detectives (Brian Kennedy, for example) stopped doing so. The fund that was founded to search for a missing girl, will presumably end as soon as someone proves that the little girl is dead. At least that is what the British law foresees. Until then, the search for the girl continues. The McCanns received a compensation of over 500.000 euros from the British newspapers. With a little more money that the FindMadeleine fund may still hold, the search will continue. Maybe at more modest prices.

    in: tvmais, September 15, 2008* Translation by super-fantastic Astro *paper edition.
    Related: McCanns in Expresso- Interview
    Overigens blijft het toch ook opmerkelijk dat de McCanns geen actie ondernemen: "Talking to “Barlavento Online” a Algarve news site, Mr. Alves admitted that, after the analysis to the 30 thousand pages of the files is finished, “we can reach the conclusion that we should do nothing and just leave everything as it is”, concerning further legal action for reopen the investigation of appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office." Bron Dat kunnen ze tot 20 September alsnog doen, denk 't niet...

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    >>> The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine <<<
      dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:09:38 #274
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
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    Ik denk dat ik weet waarom de McCanns nog geen actie ondernemen, vers van de pers:
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    Police to consider releasing Madeleine information
    16/09/2008 - 14:28:10

    British police will consider whether it is in the public interest to release information about their involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry, officials said today.

    A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation.

    But Leicestershire Constabulary, which led the British side of the investigation for their Portuguese counterparts, said it must apply the ’public interest test’ before agreeing to disclosure.

    In a written response, Linda Dempsey, of the force’s data protection department, said: “An initial meeting has now been held and from this we are still in the process of preparing the Public Interest Test regarding the intended response.

    “It will be necessary to consult with other agencies to assist in this matter in order for us to give the due consideration that must be given to such a high profile case and the need to balance the needs for disclosure or not.

    “It is clearly mandated in the Secretary of State’s code of practice part IV that this consultation should take place.”
    Adem inhouden dus en hopelijk wordt het nu eindelijk eens wat meer duidelijk....

    En deze:
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    Madeleine McCann: How To Spot Paedos With Sarah’s Law

    DAILY MAIL: “Jackboot Jacqui brings back the ducking stool”

    Richard Littlejohn continues his Nazi fetish.

    Anti-paedo laws are coming into force:

    Parents will be able to ask if someone close to their family is a sex offender under new pilot schemes in England. Under the measures, police will be able to tell families if someone with access to a child has convictions or has been previously suspected of abuse.
    Yes, suspected

    The year-long projects will be run in Warwickshire, Cambridgeshire, Cleveland and Hampshire. The move comes after a campaign for a US-style “Megan’s law” - but the scheme falls short of a “right to know”. Calls for a scheme began after the murder of eight-year-old Sarah Payne by a man already convicted of sex offences.

    Boots on gravel… Says Littlejohn

    Better to keep all dog-walkers off the streets than risk a repeat of what happened to Sarah and Maddie.

    Our Maddie. What did happen to her, then?

    When it was pointed out that Madeleine McCann was snatched from a holiday apartment in Portugal, Miss Smith said it only went to show you couldn’t be too careful. You never knew where these monsters would strike next.

    Indeed. Spread the fear…

    WESTERN & SOMERSET MERCURY: “Girl snatched from outside home”

    Snatched?

    It’s Tracey, and her daughter Jess.

    Another Maddie? Well, no. But it could have been. Really, it could have… How long before the nationals pick this one up?

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    Hmm, zouden de gegevens over vermeende pedofielen dan ook naar buiten komen, die zijn toch wel bekeken maar niet vrijgegeven aan de PJ?
    be nice or go away
      Redactie Frontpage dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:38:19 #275
    1150 crew  SunChaser
    Leuker wordt het niet
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    Ikm lees al die engelse stukken niet door, maar even een vraagje, worden de ouders nog steeds gezien als daders en sluit er een eventueel net?
      dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:43:10 #276
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    Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:38 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
    Ikm lees al die engelse stukken niet door, maar even een vraagje, worden de ouders nog steeds gezien als daders en sluit er een eventueel net?
    Nou, het is meer frappant wat er niet gebeurd, de McCanns dienen geen klacht in tegen Amaral (schrijver van het boek.) ze laten zich niet horen over de gelekte dagboekfragmenten en er komt steeds meer duidelijkheid over de betrouwbaarheid van de snifferdogs, die hebben het vaker goed dan Gerry ons wil doen geloven.

    Ik begin voorzichtig te denken dat er idd een net geplaatst wordt, als de zaak echt publiek gemaakt gaat worden dan denk ik dat er veel meer ranzigheid uit de beerput komt.
    be nice or go away
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    Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:09 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    Ik denk dat ik weet waarom de McCanns nog geen actie ondernemen, vers van de pers:
    [..]

    Adem inhouden dus en hopelijk wordt het nu eindelijk eens wat meer duidelijk....

    En deze:
    [..]

    Hmm, zouden de gegevens over vermeende pedofielen dan ook naar buiten komen, die zijn toch wel bekeken maar niet vrijgegeven aan de PJ?
    Volgens mij heeft de PJ nooit inzage gehad in gegevens van pedo's in de Algarve en de UK, ivm privacy...Wat dat vrijgeven van informatie betreft in het artikel in de Herald, het is bemoedigend dat "A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation." dat heeft gedaan maar don't hold your breath, Madeleine is niet voor niets Ward of Court verklaard, tot ze 18 jr is blijft alles wat met haar te maken heeft achter slot en grendel, dát alleen al zou een reden zijn om de kaken op elkaar te houden. En dat wordt erkend in het artikel dat het een a high profile case is doet nu wel vermoeden dat inderdaad peopletjes op hoge plaatsjes erbij betrokken zijn. Verder is nu wel klontje klaar dat de media bespeeld wordt en dat journo's de bek open willen trekken. Op zich is dat ook al vet nieuws....
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    Opmerkelijk, het verhaal/dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann die dit weekend als een Exclusieve in The News of The World verscheen, is verdwenen, foetsie, weg! De link meldt: Page not found Sorry, the page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is unavailable.

    Iemand (moderator jjp) op het 3arguidoforum mailde de krant daarover, tot nu kon hij geen valide emailadres gebruiken om te vragen waarom dat artikel is teruggetrokken....amazing. Beetje raar natuurlijk want het artikel is all over the world gecopieerd en uit geciteerd. Maar mogelijk staan er zoveel tegenstrijdigheden in dat dagboek in vergelijking met haar 1e verklaring (allemaal hier terug te vinden) dat de PJ misschien hiermee handvatten heeft voor een aanklacht? Zie dit topic.
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    @ SunChaser, de McCanns zijn niet onschuldig bevonden maar zoals Amaral terecht schrijft: “The Attorney General’s Office does not say that they are innocent” and the former senior officer from the Judiciária in the case investigation, who was convinced of Kate and Gerry’s guilt since the beginning, for covering up the death, expects it “to be reopened at any moment”. Bron Er waren simpelweg niet genoeg bewijzen om de zaak in een aanklacht te verwerken en we weten allemaal waardoor dát is gekomen, de totale tegenwerking van de McCanns, hun vakantievrienden (de Tapas 7) en de Britse regering. Een mega-coverup die nog nooit is vertoond met mogelijk (eigenlijk is dat wel zeker) een vet frauduleus Madeleine-fonds.
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    Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:43 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    <knip<
    Ik begin voorzichtig te denken dat er idd een net geplaatst wordt, als de zaak echt publiek gemaakt gaat worden dan denk ik dat er veel meer ranzigheid uit de beerput komt.
    Zou zo maar kunnen Kahaarin...!

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    +++ The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine +++ (57 sec uit een interview met BBC Jane Hill)

    [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Suko op 16-09-2008 21:18:30 ]
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    Allemachtig, de echtgenote (Sofia Leal) van Gonçalo Amaral, voormalig leider van het politieonderzoek en schrijver van het boek The Truth Of The Lie heeft een (ironische) Open Brief geschreven aan Kate McCann, gepubliceerd in de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã:
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    17/09/08 Open Letter: Gonçalo Amaral Wife reacts Ironically to Kate's Attack

    Open letter to Mrs Kate Healy

    Dear Madam,

    You will forgive my boldness, but after I read your comment (in an interview to Expresso newspaper) concerning Gonçalo Amaral, my husband and the father of my daughters, I cannot avoid sending you these words of gratefulness. For many years, I have been trying to make myself heard in this sentiment that unites us both: "…as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Look at it closely:

    a) Professionally

    - As a Coordinator of Criminal Investigation for the Polícia Judiciária, my husband has always refused to sit around from 9 to 5 in the comfortable chair in his office, as his hierarchical status implies. Instead, he spent the day (and very often, the night) with the investigators on the terrain, coordinating searches, surveillances, apprehensions and other diligences 'in loco'. A disgrace!

    But if it was only the fact that he was subject to the weather, it wouldn't be serious, as our climate is not too bad, as you know. The problem is that this dedication to the cause has earned him a non promotion in his career. Indeed, I will explain this to you, even because this case happened when the searches for your daughter were under way. My husband applied to the category of Superior Coordinator, and in between drug apprehensions, sequestrations and homicides, he somehow managed to produce a thesis about drug trafficking by sea, which he defended in Lisbon, in front of a Jury that congratulated him. Full of hope, Gonçalo Amaral returns to the Algarve and awaits the result. To his surprise, he was passed over by other colleagues (real coordinators, truth be told), because he had not been able to score points in the "professional formation" parameter. That's right, Mrs Kate, my husband spent his life working, involved in complex investigations, he was the man who apprehended the highest volumes of drugs in Portugal, but given the fact that he had no time to go to Lisbon to parade himself up and down the corridors of the PJ's Institute, he was not promoted. A disgrace, madam, a disgrace!

    - As you probably know, even because you seem like a very well informed person to me, my husband's salary was less than 1.5 times the lowest salary in your country. But as a wife, as a mother and as a Portuguese citizen, I can't complain, because Gonçalo Amaral's salary was equal to 4.5 times the lowest salary in Portugal. But pay attention to the following, which is an example of what I'm going to explain next: At some point, an individual shoots a member of the PSP [urban police] and flees into neighbouring Spain. A PJ team follows him, including my husband. They stayed there for over two weeks. Now at that time, the international expense coverage was around 100 euros. As you can easily imagine, it's not possible to sleep and eat in Spain with this amount of money, much less shortly before Christmas and taking into account that the value will only be paid at around Easter time (if one's lucky). But Gonçalo Amaral never refused, not even for one day, to search for the escaped murderer, relaying the expenses onto our family accounts. And this is just one example among many. At some point in time, I suggested that we should create a fund or something similar to deal with these extraordinary expenses, but he never listened to me. You see, we also have mortgages to pay around here… A disgrace, Mrs Kate, a disgrace!

    b) As a person, his behaviour has also been a disgrace, because to begin with we could never distinguish that he even had a personal life, due to the manner in which he dealt with the profession that he embraced. But if my good friend Mrs Kate allows me, I can offer you some examples:

    - 5 years ago, a child named Joana "disappeared". Her mother, just like you, Mrs Kate, tried to project the case into the media, but she didn't make it any further than SIC…

    Eight days later, came the confessions and the evidence: during an incestuous act between mother and uncle, the child was beaten, then dismembered and her body dumped who knows where. Mother and uncle went to jail, in a process that was coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral and which earned them almost 20 years in jail, each. But let us go a bit back in time. The child died on the 12th of September. On Christmas eve, our family was reunited for prayer, when my husband asked me to prepare a bag with some food and warm clothes, because he had not carried out his Christmas act of penance. Can you, Mrs Kate, imagine where Gonçalo Amaral went on that Christmas night under heavy rain and thunder? He went to the Olhão Prison, where João Cipriano, Joana's uncle, a confessed murderer and a clinically diagnosed psychopath, is detained. According to my husband, to simply offer an alimony to some beggar was not a sacrifice to him. The fact that he embraced and shared his Christmas meal with João Cipriano was the sacrifice that he offered to God, in memory of Joana. Is this not a disgrace? You should also know that every year, on the 12th of September, my husband has a mass celebrated in memory of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro. He says that nobody will ever remember the poor little girl again. Right, but they remember to unjustly accuse him of actions and crimes that he never committed. Isn't this a disgrace, Mrs Kate?

    - There is a last episode that I will report to you, one that I still find hard to talk about. Last year, in May, we started to move our family to Portimão. My husband was supposed to enjoy a holiday period starting on the day after your daughter's disappearance. "For obvious reasons" that didn't happen. I started on a new job, looked for a house, moved house, and tried to integrate our daughters in new schools and new routines. All of this I did alone, without any help from my husband, who for obvious reasons, was looking for your daughter, Mrs Kate. In October, on his birthday, a week after our daughters started school, Gonçalo Amaral was dismissed and returned to Faro. This was supposed to be the time of the family's reunion and it turned out to be another separation. Isn't this a disgrace? Our daughters never managed to understand, and we never managed to explain to them what obvious reasons were those that rewarded in this manner a father who left his own daughters to go looking for a child that he had never met and whose parents had neglected her. It was a pity that my dear friend Mrs Kate was not around anymore at that date, because you could have been very helpful to me in explaining these "obvious reasons" that led to their father's dismissal, to our daughters.

    Finally, I can only report to you that intimately, Gonçalo Amaral is precisely what the latinos are famed for: shameless, as my pudency does not allow me to write any further.

    I ask you, my good friend, to forgive these confidences from a wife and mother, but I'm certain that you will understand. I finish this letter asking you to send your mother my most sincere praises. She sounded so sincere to me, when during an interview she referred that she felt like slapping the face of the person who left her grandchildren alone. She spoke so openly that she sounded like a genuine Portuguese grandmother…

    My dear friend Mrs Kate, without wishing to bother you any further, I would like to request one last favour from you: now that you have started to tell some truths, please continue, and let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for.

    Best regards,
    Sofia Leal
    Wife and Mother of the Daughters of Gonçalo Amaral

    Source: Correio da Manhã by Joana Morais
    Jee, ik geloof niet dat als dit in Nederland was gebeurd dat een echtgenote van een Inspecteur dat zou doen maar ik vind het desdanks toch moedig en zeer raak. Ook het woord disgrace is niet voor niets benadrukt, iets wat de McCanns telkenmale menen te moeten uiten. Zie verder de reactie in dit topic. Van mij krijgt ze ook een blommetje...

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    +++ The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine +++ (57 sec uit een interview met BBC Jane Hill)
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    Hihi, thumbs up voor mevrouw Amaral.
    Variety is the spice of life
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    En dit zou ook best wel eens waar kunnen zijn, dat vreselijk lange verhaal met die dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann in The News Of The World, nu dus teruggetrokken, iemand schrijft: "The more I read the Diary, the more I'm convinced it's satire. Very very dry and clever satire. And definitely not written by Kate McCann." Gezien in het licht dat de media toegang wenst te krijgen in deze kwesie, zie post van kahaarin "A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation." Zou dit een slimme zet zijn van de diverse kranten? Er staan nogal vreemde verwijzingen in met bv die trouwring van Kate, daar speelde Madeleine mee schrijft ze, zou M dat in haar mond hebben gestopt met alle gevolgen vandien? Hebben advocaten van de McCanns protesten laten horen wegens dit artikel met dreigen van een aanklacht? Overigens is alles nog steeds te lezen o.a. hier.

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      woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 13:18:18 #281
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    Madeleine McCann: The Al Qaeda Connection, British Police Tell All And Alone In Portugal
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY MAIL: “Mother accused of neglecting 8-year-old daughter in Portugal admits she hit the bottle but denies leaving girl alone”

    There were two of her, occifer. No., wait three… four…

    Stephanie Bysh stood accused of the most stupid of mistakes. After the disappearance of Madeline McCann the idea of leaving a child alone for even a moment was unthinkable to any mother in the country.

    No mother should leave a child alone in Portugal for a second. No, make that a split second… Hell, you might end up selling your story to a magazine:

    The “single mother” tells Closer magazine:

    “I stopped taking it before the holiday, but the most I drank was two bottles of wine in a day. I was tipsy, but never drunk. Ariella was well cared for at all times. I was never out of control.”

    Everyone was happy living in a small glass box with an invisible dog, eating peeled grapes…

    Things took a turn for the worse when her purse containing all her money was stolen and the pair were forced to move in with a local mime artist Stephanie had befriended.

    So what happened?

    However trouble started when a new tenant moved into the flat and took a disliking to Stephanie. After a heated argument he reported her to the police for neglect and Ariella was taken into care.

    The swine. Was he Portuguese?

    “A police officer said there had been a complaint about me neglecting my daughter. I wasn’t even given the chance to have my say before they took her away. Ariella was hysterical and wouldn’t let go of me. They told me she’d only be by herself for a few hours and then I’d be able to join her, but that didn’t happen.”

    To Faro. Then:

    Three days later she was moved to a children’s home in nearby Loule, where officials said she was healthy and showed no signs of neglect. After waiting three weeks for the courts to reopen in September, Stephanie was released without charge and returned to her north London home with Ariella. She is now back on her medication and daughter Ariella has returned to school.

    And… And nothing. Not even a comment on our Maddie. Some people have no idea. For shame!

    ITN: “Public interest in McCann case tested”

    A survey?

    British police will consider whether it is in the public interest to release information about their involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

    She’s our Maddie, so…

    Leicestershire Constabulary, which led the British side of the investigation for their counterparts in Portugal, said it must apply the ‘public interest test’ before agreeing to disclosure.

    Isn’t everything in the public’s interest?

    Linda Dempsey, of the force’s data protection department, said:

    “An initial meeting has now been held and from this we are still in the process of preparing the Public Interest Test regarding the intended response. It will be necessary to consult with other agencies to assist in this matter in order for us to give the due consideration that must be given to such a high profile case and the need to balance the needs for disclosure or not.”

    Might it help keep Madeleine in the news?

    Ms Dempsey added: “At the heart of this tragic case is an innocent little girl who went missing in May 2007.”

    At the heart? That’s all it is. Nothing more…

    LONDONIST: “Review: One Minute By Simon Stephens”

    Written in a minute, as seems likely, or read in a minute? Or is it the name of a drama?…

    Shining Man stages revivals of lesser known modern classics and with ecent successes Harper Regan and On The Shore of the Wide World at no less than the National Theatre mean Simon Stephens is modern classic material. One Minute from 2003 is brought back with uncanny resonance in the light of the Madeleine McCann case and post-7th July bombings London. An unreliable witness says she saw the girl - but she didn’t, she just wanted to? She did but she got the details wrong? She wants to help but can’t think how? One Minute is almost painfully contemporary even five years after its premiere.

    Bombings. McCann. A link? Has Al Qaeda got her?
    De commentaren bij dit bericht zijn ook de moeite waard om te lezen, niet allemaal maar er zijn er een paar die het lezen waard zijn.
    Over het dagboek van Kate, ik vind het heel typisch dat het nu word afgedaan als satire, ik denk dat ze het wel heeft geschreven, immers, als ze het niet had geschreven waarom is het dan weggehaald? Maar goed de tijd zal het leren.
    Hopelijk is het gevolg van het onderzoek van ITN dat de hele duvelse bende publiek gemaakt wordt, dan kan men zelf zien wat er allemaal is gedaan om Madeleine te vinden en welke gevolgtrekkingen er aan het onderzoek gegeven moeten worden.
    We zitten nu alleen maar met over en weer ge-ping-pong tussen de kampen, er wordt gesuggereerd dat er niet meer naar haar word gezocht, de kans dat ze nog leeft is imho nihil maar ik vind dat er niet opgegeven mag worden te zoeken naar wat er nu daadwerkelijk met haar is gebeurd en wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk zijn geweest.
    Nu is het een koude oorlog tussen de 'teams' McCann en PJ, er worden dingen teruggetrokken, verwijderd en veranderd waar je bijstaat, zou men echt zo naief zijn dat ze denken dat het daardoor simpelweg niet meer bestaat?
    Ik vermoed dat de status als ward of court de dingen die specifiek schadelijk zouden kunnen zijn voor Madeleine wel kan wegpoetsen maar de bewijzen die de schuld dan wel onschuld van Gerry en Kate aanduiden, de uiteindelijke verklaringen van de tapasclan en de resultaten van de snifferdogs vallen daar imho niet onder.
    Dus alleen de DNA bewijzen die zouden kunnen aantonen dat ze geen biologisch kind is van de McCanns en dat soort zaken zouden dan niet gepubliceerd kunnen worden, behalve als Madeleine dood wordt gevonden, immers een overledene kan geen aanspraak meer maken op wat voor status dan ook.
    Conclusie is dan in mijn ogen dat de Tapas9 nooit kunnen bekennen of vertellen waar ze is want dat zou betekenen dat ze dan medeplichtig zouden zijn aan tegenwerken van het onderzoek, verbergen van een lijk, oplichting (het fund), eventueel dood door schuld/doodslag/moord.
    De zaak zit zo muurvast dat ik denk dat het juist heel heilzaam zou zijn alles in de openheid te brengen en de kaarten nu maar eens op tafel te gooien zodat er een einde komt aan de speculaties, de mediaoptredens, de moddergooi wedstrijden en het ellendige gespin en aandachtzoeken van de McCanns.
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      Redactie Frontpage woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 15:01:45 #282
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    Leuker wordt het niet
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    Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?
      woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 16:05:24 #283
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    Op woensdag 17 september 2008 15:01 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
    Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?
    Zou ook maar zo eens kunnen hoor, wat er wel is gezegd door een psychologe is dat Kate een dagboek bij kon gaan houden om alles op een rijtje te zetten, een soort van houvast, het van zich afschrijven, whatever, dat wil niet zeggen dat het dit dagboek betreft natuurlijk.
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    Ik heb wat snippers bij elkaar geraapt wat betreft Kate McCanns dagboek ná de 'vermissing', allereerst...op wiens verzoek schreef zij die crap?

    Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her. She told The Sun: "I asked Kate to keep this journal because at first the Portuguese police were doing very little. http://www.channel4.com/n(...)mccanns+diary/797747 17 september 2007

    Iets wat ook in een commentaar staat als reactie op die flauwe kul van Kate McCann. "Why is there an entry for Thursday May 3rd when the diary did not exist until Philomena suggested to Kate she keep one to show Madeleine how hard they searched for her ?"

    En iemand anders: "How come Kate can be so acurate about the first days, when she didn't even have a diary? The diary was started a few days latter when she was advised by a psychologist to do it, since it would help her to cope with the situation..."

    Merkwaardig idd dat niet eens duidelijk is wie Kate adviseerde een dagboek te schrijven en het klopt ook helemaal niet met die Blog-flut van hubbie Gerry.

    Overigens had Kate McCann wel eerder een dagboek waar het volgende van bekend is: "Sedatives. The Police went so far as to consider the hypothesis that the death of Madeleine had been caused by an overdose of sedatives. From Kate’s diary can be inferred her difficulties in controlling the child, "hyperactive" according to the mother. Kate’s father went so far as to speculate in public (albeit to deny it) with that possibility. It was also published that after the birth of the twins, Madeleine was subjected to treatment to control jealousy and the doctors prescribed tranquilizers. The track of the pills also faded away, although the twins slept like as angels in the presence of 40 people the night in question. 27 April 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id105.html

    En ook: The last diligence that was being carried out within the investigation concerned the attempt to apprehend Kate's diary, which supposedly contains the complaints about the behaviour of her daughter Maddie and the difficult relationship that they maintained prior to the disappearance, but the PJ has reportedly renounced on that piece of evidence – it is far removed from being able to sustain an accusation.
    02 July 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id129.html

    It should also be noted that the judge kept some reservations about the requests that were made by the Judiciária’s investigators. Concerning Kate’s diary, for example, the judicial magistrate argued that only later would it be possible to know whether it could be validated, because it revealed facts from Maddie’s mother’s private life. 21 July 2008 21 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id129.html

    Anyway, het belangrijkste, de eerdere schrijfsels van Kate, díe zijn belanrijk...maar ja, Madeleine werd al snel op advies van adcovaten Ward of Court verklaard en later zijn 81 documenten uit de files gehaald en overhandigd aan de McCanns, niets mag naar buiten komen wat betreft Madeleine, helemaal niets...pfff.
    Vraag blijft , waarom is dat artikel uit The News of The world, als een vette exlusive, verwijderd...

    @ Kahaarin, ik denk dat ze in Portugal best nog wel met de zaak bezig zijn, low profile vermoedelijk. Maar wat moet je beginnen als men wetenschap van iets heeft en men kan er niks mee???? De enige die stukjes bij beetjes (slim wel) iets los laat is Amaral. Zoals onlangs dit stukje op een persconferentie: "Reme: Do you know which secret holds the key? G.A.: He doesn't link the secret to the holiday in Mallorca, but said that the group may have one or more secrets. All of them had left the children alone that night, and English law in this regard is very strict. He says that, so far, all have stated that they were carrying out regular checks, but the day could come when they retract their statements and say that somebody asked them to say this. He says that with regard to holidays in Mallorca, Portuguese police should have questioned the couple in order to try to understand what could have happened, he said that it may have nothing to do with the case, probably has nothing to do with it, but this has be understood/known." Bron

    En verder weet ik het ook ff niet....

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    Nog een interessant stukje info, er mochten geen snuffelhondjes in de UK aan het werk, niet bij de McCanns en niet bij één van hun vakantievrienden en ook de lokale politie heeft Gerry die avond gezien...
    quote:
    "The dogs were prevented from continuing their work in the United Kingdom"

    The following: "Gonçalo Amaral in Madrid:" The PJ was forced to issue a press release announcing the abduction of Madeleine."

    Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Portimão, was out of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine in a key moment in the investigation: Kate and Gerry had become arguidos and investigators had compiled a list of procedures aimed specifically at the couple's friends and holidays.

    "After intervention by Mark Harrison, and the results obtained by the two dogs trackers, Eddie and Keela, we thought it would be important to continue the investigation in the United Kingdom," said Gonçalo Amaral.

    "Eddie and Keela had indicated that objects or places in direct relationship with McCann, but it is important to check the United Kingdom if the dogs could give us more answers," says even the inspector, adding that " the idea was to bring the two dogs in McCann to Rothley, but also among their friends, especially one of them."

    "When the idea surfaced, the first thing they called me (a British officer) was that politically it would be very difficult to do… I was told that my job was to ' investigate a crime and not be politically correct." "We even prepared a sketch of the letter rogatory requesting that the two dogs (Eddie and Keela) can continue their research in England, but we do not let me go further," said the inspector.

    "The other diligence that I wanted to heart, and which has also been impossible to do was to bring in Portugal witnesses Irish, in particular Martin Smith, who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann carrying a child in its arm."

    "Bringing witnesses in the same place and recreate the same situation would have been important, especially when we know that there are agents of the GNR who claimed to have seen the father of the little back from the same place, this time without children in his arms," concludes Amaral.


    With the arrival of October, more precisely on October 2, coincidentally his birthday day, Gonçalo Amaral, in a maneuver carefully prepared, is removed from the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine, not for incompetence or lack of results, but simply accused of having denounced out loud what many thought to themselves: the lack of cooperation from British authorities.

    Once Gonçalo Amaral dismissed from his post as a coordinator of DIC Portimão away from the investigation and the disappearance of Madeleine, the national executive decides to replace Paulo Rebelo, a man known to be close to Alipio Ribeiro and the left. Duarte Levy & Paulo
    En dat werd inderdaad bericht in de Daily Mail, het verzoek om in de UK de honden Keela en Eddie te laten snuffelen bij één van die Tapasvrienden, naast een bezoekje bij de McCanns in Rothley. Madeleine: Sniffer dogs 'found scent of death' on one of the McCanns' friends 26 september 2007 En wie zou die vriend kunnen zijn? Russell O'Brien soms? Kind was ziek en hij had om schone lakens gevraagd, maar het Mark Warner Resort zegt van niets te weten. O'Brien meldt in z'n 1e verklaring wel iets over z'n kind maar niets over lakens. Hij was dus vaak opvallend afwezig die avond. Later allemaal ingevuld zeker? "Meanwhile Dr O'Brien, 36, was away from the group for up to 45 minutes while he tended to his own child, who was being sick in his apartment. He told police he had changed her bedlinen, but staff at the Ocean Club were said to have denied that any change of sheets was requested." mccannfiles

    Opmerkelijk ook dat de GNR-ers (lokale Portugese politie) de vader (Gerry) hebben gezien op de terugweg, zonder kind, net als die Ierse familie Smith, die Gerry met kind op het strand hebben gezien.

    Anyway, die verzoeken werden niet ingewilligd en even daarna (2 okt 2007) werd Amaral van z'n positie ontheven zoals we allen weten. "The British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown called the police counterpart of Mr.Gonçalo Amaral, in Leicester, to warn him that Gonçalo Amaral had been removed. Gonçalo Amaral was only given notice of his 'removal' from the case two hours after this call was made." Bron

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    Op woensdag 17 september 2008 15:01 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
    Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?

    En wat raar dat niemand totdusver daar aan gedacht heeft. Interessant punt SC!
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    De meningen zijn hierover verdeeld, eigenlijk gaat het er ook om of die dagboekfragmenten in de vrijgegeven files zijn te vinden, die zijn per dvd aan journalisten gegeven. Wél staat vast dat ze door Kate na de vermissing zijn geschreven op verzoek van een psych of Philomena de zus van Gerry MCann, een nogal dubieus type die allerlei nonsens verkondigde maar nu d'r klep al tijden dicht houdt, zie eerdere post. Er is al eerder in dit topic gepost dat aan de oprecht van dat dagboek wordt getwijfeld, Kate wist donders goed dat deze zouden worden gelezen door wie dan ook.

    Nu de dagboekfragmenten zijn verwijderd door The News of The World zijn er verschillende argumenten voor te verzinnen. Of ze zijn niet door Kate geschreven, of wel en dan zijn ze mogelijk gelekt, of gelekt met medeweten van de McCanns, of The News of The World heeft de wet op de privacy overtreden en mogelijk schending van copyrights. Ik hou het op een enorme spin van PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Ze zijn expres 'gelekt' om Kate als barmhartige moeder neer te zetten, (iets wat totaal is mislukt imo) want de NOTW wéét natuurlijk wel dat dit artikel massaal direct wordt geciteerd en gecopieerd. (Of de PJ heeft een protest laten horen, zij hebben copieen van het dagboek en mogelijk is er mee gerommeld) Het tweede zou zijn om er ook geld uit te slaan, net als toen met de Daily Express, die moesten iets van 600.000 pond betalen wegen laster, nu blijkt trouwens dat vele artikelen gewoon 'waar' bleken. Ik heb de meeste nog op schijf...ha! Discussies hierover zijn hier te lezen.

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      vrijdag 19 september 2008 @ 14:56:49 #288
    145755 kahaarin
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    Op donderdag 18 september 2008 22:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
    De meningen zijn hierover verdeeld, eigenlijk gaat het er ook om of die dagboekfragmenten in de vrijgegeven files zijn te vinden, die zijn per dvd aan journalisten gegeven. Wél staat vast dat ze door Kate na de vermissing zijn geschreven op verzoek van een psych of Philomena de zus van Gerry MCann, een nogal dubieus type die allerlei nonsens verkondigde maar nu d'r klep al tijden dicht houdt, zie eerdere post. Er is al eerder in dit topic gepost dat aan de oprecht van dat dagboek wordt getwijfeld, Kate wist donders goed dat deze zouden worden gelezen door wie dan ook.

    Nu de dagboekfragmenten zijn verwijderd door The News of The World zijn er verschillende argumenten voor te verzinnen. Of ze zijn niet door Kate geschreven, of wel en dan zijn ze mogelijk gelekt, of gelekt met medeweten van de McCanns, of The News of The World heeft de wet op de privacy overtreden en mogelijk schending van copyrights. Ik hou het op een enorme spin van PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Ze zijn expres 'gelekt' om Kate als barmhartige moeder neer te zetten, (iets wat totaal is mislukt imo) want de NOTW wéét natuurlijk wel dat dit artikel massaal direct wordt geciteerd en gecopieerd. (Of de PJ heeft een protest laten horen, zij hebben copieen van het dagboek en mogelijk is er mee gerommeld) Het tweede zou zijn om er ook geld uit te slaan, net als toen met de Daily Express, die moesten iets van 600.000 pond betalen wegen laster, nu blijkt trouwens dat vele artikelen gewoon 'waar' bleken. Ik heb de meeste nog op schijf...ha! Discussies hierover zijn hier te lezen.
    Het rondje Anorak gaat hier ook over vandaag:
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    Madeleine McCann: More Kate Fury, Juliet Stevenson Feels And Ben Affleck Returns
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY MIRROR: “Kate’s fury at leaked diary story”

    Such is Kate McCann’s weekly tabloid fury, it’s a wonder she has any time to do anything other then be furious.

    Kate McCann was last night said to be devastated by the unauthorised publication of her diary. You mean those extracts that appeared in the News of the World, sister paper to the Sun, the Mirror’s main rival..?

    Lawyers for the McCanns are thought to be demanding an apology and payout for the Find Madeleine fund. The McCanns did not comment.

    A payout? Well, if her words sell newspapers, it seems fair.. Unless they are in the public interest?


    DAILY MAIL: “Truly, madly, deeply disturbing: A missing child leads Juliet Stevenson to some grisly secrets in a dark new drama”
    An actress… A missing child… A drama… Now, that’s entertainment.

    Set in two time zones, it follows Juliet’s character, journalist Catherine Heathcote, trying to unravel the unsolved disappearance more than four decades earlier of a teenage girl, stepdaughter of the supercilious squire (Greg Wise, in fine lip-curling form) of a secluded, not to say secretive, Yorkshire village.

    A murder of a young ‘un set in the past… Think you’ve read it? And..?

    “I have always been haunted by the Suzy Lamplugh case, the estate agent who went missing and was never found. And what about poor little Madeleine McCann?”

    Indeed. What about her?

    “I just don’t know how parents cope with that lack of closure. I just know I simply couldn’t let go.”

    Just like the papers, then…

    MOVIES (Ireland): “Interview : Ben Affleck - Ben Affleck steps behind the camera for his big comeback ‘Gone Baby Gone‘, out on DVD from this weekend.”

    It’s the entertaining story of a missing child…

    It was the movie that was going to reignite his career, but then, a real life tragedy derailed Ben Affleck’s comeback. It’s got to be tough.


    Poor, poor, Ben. How did he cope?

    Yep, all signs pointed to a glorious comeback for the fallen hunk with the cheeky smile. And then Ben Affleck heard about the Madeline McCann kidnapping. Which, eerily, echoed the story at the centre of Gone Baby Gone.

    Ben..?

    “The Madeline McCann tragedy just hit me like a train,” says Affleck. “It’s such a terrible, terrible thing, to have something like this happen, and we naturally didn’t want to add to anyone’s pain by releasing a movie that might stir up difficult issues or bad memories. We just had to put everything on hold when it came to releasing Gone Baby Gone on this side of the water.”

    Still, it’s a good fulcrum for every interview…
    Hoe dan ook weer een mooi smoke screen, ik ben benieuwd wat er nu weer boven komt drijven, telkens als er zo'n bommetje ontploft moet er iets anders onder het tapijt.
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    Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Het rondje Anorak gaat hier ook over vandaag:
    [..]

    Hoe dan ook weer een mooi smoke screen, ik ben benieuwd wat er nu weer boven komt drijven, telkens als er zo'n bommetje ontploft moet er iets anders onder het tapijt.
    Hooooi Kahaarin, nou...iig biedt zusterblad van NOTW The Sun al excuses aan: Kate McCann: An apology. IMO enkel en alleen met als doel natuurlijk dat den lezerd moet denken dat het allemaal per ongeluk is gepubliceerd ('arme Kate') en dat het wel wáár moet zijn. En dat terwijl er allemaal onvolkomenheden in staan en voor een dokter heel slecht/onbenullig geschreven. En mogelijk zijn ze anders voor dat artiklel gewoon betaald, want dát is de taal die McCanns kennen....Het is nog steeds niet duidelijk of dat dagboek van na de vermissing in de vrijgegeven files zit, indien niet dan moeten ze wel van het team McCann komen.... Maar wacht ff, wat zegt The Mirror: "Because of its sensitive nature, the material was not included in 19 files made public by prosecutors. The friend added: "The suspicion is these diaries have been leaked by someone in the Portuguese authorities." Wat een stelletje ongelofelijke leugenaars, spinners, scammers etc etc...
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    Ter herinnering:
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    5.8.08 McCann will not take legal action against Portuguese Government Rogério Alves, former Bar Association President, told today that the McCann couple “don't see any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Mr. Alves said that Gerry and Kate “were obviously frustrated because they couldn't find what happened to their daughter and who was responsible for it, but they don't infer that (Portuguese) police has done a bad job, or that there is any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Talking to “Barlavento Online” a Algarve news site, Mr. Alves admitted that, after the analysis to the 30 thousand pages of the files is finished, “we can reach the conclusion that we should do nothing and just leave everything as it is”, concerning further legal action for reopen the investigation of appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office. “The fact that the investigation hasn't found what was the crime and the perpetrator doesn't mean that police has done a bad job”, the McCann lawyer said.
    Zo, nog ff en is dus 20 september en voor zover ik nu heb gelezen (of eigenlijk niet heb gelezen) is er geen verzoek van de McCanns gekomen om de zaak te heropenen: "The law stipulates 20 days to require the opening of instruction of a process, but as currently they are to elapse the vacations judicial the stated period will finish the 20 of September." (uit de link in dit artikel, met Babelfish vertaald)

    Het team McCann wenst dus niet een heropening van de zaak om verder naar Madeleine te zoeken. Nee dat doen die good-for-nothing PI's dan wel...niet naar Madeleine hoor, nee...er zijn mogelijk nog getuigen te 'bezoeken' (lees intimideren), verhalen in elkaar te flansen om Madeleine in het nieuws te houden, misschien weer nieuwe sifhtings etc etc....Maar zoeken naar Madeleine??? Of zouden ze toch weten waar ze is, dat ze wordt behandelt als een prinses zoals ze telkens schrijven, overtuigd dat Madeleine in handen van pedo's is...

    En ik herhaal maar weer eens een quote 13/ 8/2007:"Mrs McCann told Woman's Own magazine: "I've never liked uncertainty. And this is the worst kind of limbo. "Gerry and I have spoken about this and in our heart of hearts we'd both rather know - even if knowing means we have to face the terrible truth that Madeleine might be dead. We both need to know." In her interview Mrs McCann paints a vivid picture of her daughter as a sociable and funny child. She said: "She has a lot of personality and her name actually means 'tower of strength'. But she hated it when we called her Maddie - she'd say, 'My name is Madeleine', with an indignant look on her face. "I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth." Bron

    Lousy parents...

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    Boeh!

    Weinig nieuws verder, zoals eerder gepost, de datum is verstreken, 20 sept.: "Gerry and Kate McCann have not requested that the police continue their search into the disappearance of Madeleine." Interessante argumenten, om te onthouden, terug te lezen onder het mom van, waar gaat het ook al weer over etc: The ongoing evidence against the McCanns
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    EVIDENCE REVIEW

    1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

    2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
    [This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.] Amaral, the leading police investigator at the time the FSS reached its conclusion, stated in interview with Hola (12.9.08) "the girl’s blood was found as well as in a car rented 23 days later".

    Also [thanks to Cati] Apartment 5A: Eddie, the 'cadaver dog' and Keela, the 'blood dog' marked on the same local: behind the sofa (which according to the PJ was moved by the McCanns). The tiles were removed and sent to FSS. The blood found by keela was degraded and the lab was able to check only 5 markers. They ALL matched madeleine's DNA.

    So all the forensic evidence is fully compatible with the parental involvement theory.

    3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

    4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

    5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

    6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

    7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

    8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

    9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

    10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

    11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

    12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

    Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

    13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

    14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know [now confirmed in evidence].

    Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

    15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

    16. Catriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. [Note: This is still a matter of some controversy. There appear as yet to be no details of Catriona Baker's witness statement. No Tapas 7 members claim to have seen Madeleine on 3rd May, except perhaps for David Payne, visiting early evening, though he does not mention her by name.]No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events. Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

    17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

    18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

    19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

    20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

    21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

    22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand. Note: Interesting observation - Freemason sign is to raise both hands in the air, palm forwards. Possibly consistent with this gesture? - which might otherwise be considered unusual for a professional person of his background. However, this is pure speculation.

    23. Tanner and O'Brien left their 11 month old baby whom they knew to be ill (restless, unable to sleep) in the apartment with its sibling. They went off to enjoy themselves with friends.

    24. Tanner claims to have known that GMC was on the way back from 5A when she "saw" him and Jeremy Wilkins talking together.

    25. Not clear, but possible Tanner may have been claiming that she saw the abductor emerging from the alley (rear of the property).

    26. Both Tanner and O'Brien were (by Tanner's admission to the Police) very close to the crime scene around the relevant time.

    27. Tanner did not use a mobile phone to contact her partner when Oldfield informed her that O'B was staying at the apartment because their 11 month old baby was unwell. She hurried to finish her meal and then went to rejoin her partner, O'Brien at about 9.40.

    28. Tanner's account to police about how she heard of Maddy's disappearance is at slight but significant variance from the Panorama account. In Panorama, she hears a commotion, opens the door and is then informed in a matter of fact way by FP that "Maddy's gone." In the interview statement, it appears she heard both KMC and FP screaming that Madeleine had been taken whilst still in the flat. An odd discrepancy, made odder by the fact that the Panorama account sounds singularly unconvincing.

    29. [Thanks to Vanilla Biscuit] There were early reports that 2 of the Tapas men were tired on the evening of the 3rd because they had been out rowing that afternoon, but those reports had been whoosh-clunked and very few other posters seemed to remember them, but it is confirmed in Tanner's statement: 'At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie.Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing.'

    30. Kate McCann confirms that JT revealed her claimed sighting of the abductor on the night of 3rd/4th May and she was aware of it. There is no indication that this led to any particular focus for the search.

    31. [Thanks to Swannie for this observation.]According to Payne's April 2008 statement in Leics from Paulo Reis http://gazetadigitalmadel(...)nnis-tournament.html

    "David knocked at the A5 apartment about 6:30pm. Kate had JUST FINISHED HAVING A BATH and David saw that the kids were already bathed and were in their pyjamas, playing around. It was Gerry who asked him to check on Kate and the kids, Payne told Police. According to Kate, David knocked at the door (the door facing the swimming pool). She just put a towel around her, went to the living room and they had a brief talk."

    Yet according to Kate's statement taken on May 4th 2007:

    "Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. SHE TOOK A BATH did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband."

    32. Video of Eddie and Keela (highly skilled at detecting cadaver/blood scents) at work has been released. Shows that the dogs' indications were very clear. On the basis that studies have shown accuracy in the 90-100% range (taking a 95% figure), the mathematical chances of them mis-identifying 7 locations [note - I think it was 7 separate locations - to be double checked] is 64 million to one. It appears there is no evidence of the dogs having mis-identified in any other case.

    33. Amaral has indicated during a speech in Madrid that : "The PJ was forced to issue a press release [on 5th May 2007] announcing the abduction of Madeleine" . John Buck, the British Ambassador in Lisbon at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance went to Portimão to demand that the PJ immediately announce to the media – especially the British media – that the disappearance of Madeleine was an abduction and that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann were two innocent victims. According to sources close to the British Embassy in Lisbon, the Ambassador John Buck, previous to this intervention at the PJ in Faro and Portimão, has already discussed the affair with the Portuguese Minister for Foreign Affairs.

    Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

    1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

    2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
    Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

    3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

    4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

    5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

    6. Clarrie has in previous interviews claimed there was confusion about the timings and that this was understandable because all (or,later, many) of the Tapas 9 did not have watches or mobile phones with them. It is clear from the statements that NONE of those interviewed claim any great difficulty in determining the timing of their movements on the evening of 3rd May.

    7. On the appearance of "The Truth About the Lie" Clarence Mitchell said that lawyers are studying Amaral's book as a "matter of urgency".

    "Mr Amaral will face immediate and swift legal action if he in any way implies, either directly or indirectly, that Kate and Gerry were involved in the disappearance or harming of their daughter," he said.

    Ongoing thread on The 3 Arguidos forum
    Gelezen op een voor mij nieuw blog, met heel veel info, artikelen, achtergronden en ongezouten kritiek... Een dame met een missie zo te lezen. http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/

    En verder verslapt mijn aandacht een beetje...

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      dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 13:30:17 #291
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    Op maandag 22 september 2008 21:26 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Boeh!

    Weinig nieuws verder, zoals eerder gepost, de datum is verstreken, 20 sept.: "Gerry and Kate McCann have not requested that the police continue their search into the disappearance of Madeleine." Interessante argumenten, om te onthouden, terug te lezen onder het mom van, waar gaat het ook al weer over etc: The ongoing evidence against the McCanns
    Idd weing nieuws, alleen rondje anorak en dat gaat over de christians praying for Maddy:
    quote:

    The Madeleine McCann Christian Prayer Circle Says God Took Her
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    CHRISTIANITY TODAY: “Christians pray for missing Madeleine”

    Christians around the world joined in prayer on Friday for the safe return of missing Madeleine McCann and the release of all children held by criminal networks.

    Do the Christians know what happened to Madeleine, then?

    The worldwide day of prayer was organised by the Madeleine Prayer Circle.

    Join hands…

    The group’s John Wearne says:

    “We feel that the battle is spiritual and by going through prayer that God will listen to the cries of His people and that this will sway the spiritual balance in Madeleine’s favour.”

    Demons took her?

    “Everything is done through God and there is total belief that one day Madeleine will one day come home. God may have a greater plan for others and may well be using Madeleine in that plan. We petition God always for His will to be done and ask that Madeleine be brought home.”

    So it was God that took Madeleine?

    IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Family seeking closure as search resumes for Fiona”

    THE mother of missing woman Fiona Pender has only only wish: to lay her daughter to rest alongside her late father and brother.

    Sad stuff. Go on:

    Ms Pender was eight months pregnant when she went missing on the morning of August 23, 1996. Twelve years after her disappearance, gardai are still trying to find her body.

    Such are the facts. And our Maddie?

    Officers have told Mrs Pender that a top investigator, who was involved in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is working alongside gardai.

    Now, there’s a comfort. There might be a book in this, after all. It’s Ireland’s Maddie, no?

    STUFF (NZ): “Top 10 TV picks: September 23-29”

    Anything good on?

    Sunday Theatre: Torn: Child abduction drama that could have been torn from the headlines of the Madeleine McCann case - but then fast-forwards 12 years to the mother thinking she’s seen her missing daughter. Coronation Street’s Bradley Walsh (Danny Baldwin) stars. Part one of two.

    Fact and fiction. A super-fiction. Now that’s entertainment…
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    Gelezen op een voor mij nieuw blog, met heel veel info, artikelen, achtergronden en ongezouten kritiek... Een dame met een missie zo te lezen. http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/

    En verder verslapt mijn aandacht een beetje...
    Hmm, leuk overzicht, maar idd, de aandacht is aan het verslappen, als er in de nabije toekomst geen breaking news komt denk ik dat een nieuw topic even moet wachten totdat er idd breaking news is, wat jij?
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 13:30 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Idd weing nieuws, alleen rondje anorak en dat gaat over de christians praying for Maddy:
    [..]


    [..]

    Hmm, leuk overzicht, maar idd, de aandacht is aan het verslappen, als er in de nabije toekomst geen breaking news komt denk ik dat een nieuw topic even moet wachten totdat er idd breaking news is, wat jij?
    Halleu Kahaarin. Scherp van Anorak, uit jouw artikel:
    quote:
    Christians around the world joined in prayer on Friday for the safe return of missing Madeleine McCann and the release of all children held by criminal networks.

    Do the Christians know what happened to Madeleine, then?

    The worldwide day of prayer was organised by the Madeleine Prayer Circle.

    Join hands…

    The group’s John Wearne says:

    “We feel that the battle is spiritual and by going through prayer that God will listen to the cries of His people and that this will sway the spiritual balance in Madeleine’s favour.”

    Demons took her?

    “Everything is done through God and there is total belief that one day Madeleine will one day come home. God may have a greater plan for others and may well be using Madeleine in that plan. We petition God always for His will to be done and ask that Madeleine be brought home.”

    So it was God that took Madeleine?
    Ergelijk ook, iedereen die gelooft geeft maar een draai aan het verhaal Madeleine, net hoe het uitkomt. Ik geloof niet maar het kan niet deugen dat goede en foute luitjes hogere machten menen te moeten aanroepen om eigenlijk alleen hun eigen ziel te reinigen....pfff. Madeleine is weg/dood en er moet naar worden gezocht wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk is/zijn en wáár ze is, punt uit.

    Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, niet echt nieuws, ik lees af en toe wel interessante thema's, invalshoeken enzo, maar uiteindelijk lopen er nog steeds mensen rond die precies weten waar Madeleine is en die houden lekker de koppen dicht. We houden de ogen en oren open en starten idd indien echt nieuws een nieuw topic. We blijven ondertussen alert!

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      dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 14:23:24 #293
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:06 schreef Suko het volgende:

    Halleu Kahaarin. Scherp van Anorak, uit jouw artikel:
    Hey hoi Suko, vond ik ook, er wordt mij nu iets teveel gezweefd, dit heeft niets te maken met het onderzoek of de zaak maar met zieltjes winnen en konten schoonpraten.
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    Ergelijk ook, iedereen die gelooft geeft maar een draai aan het verhaal Madeleine, net hoe het uitkomt. Ik geloof niet maar het kan niet deugen dat goede en foute luitjes hogere machten menen te moeten aanroepen om eigenlijk alleen hun eigen ziel te reinigen....pfff. Madeleine is weg/dood en er moet naar worden gezocht wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk is/zijn en wáár ze is, punt uit.
    Precies, het moet niet zo zijn dat er met dit soort berichten voor wordt gezorgd dat de aandacht verslapt en men de boel een beetje op 1 lijn gaat krijgen, de aandacht zou op de zoektocht naar Madeleine moeten liggen maar er komt verder helemaal geen nieuws binnen.
    quote:
    Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, niet echt nieuws, ik lees af en toe wel interessante thema's, invalshoeken enzo, maar uiteindelijk lopen er nog steeds mensen rond die precies weten waar Madeleine is en die houden lekker de koppen dicht. We houden de ogen en oren open en starten idd indien echt nieuws een nieuw topic. We blijven ondertussen alert!
    Lijkt mij ook een goed plan, magoed, misschien dat er een modje kan zeggen of andere meelezers of het fijn is om wel een topic te houden, waar misschien dan wat minder in wordt gepost, of dat we alleen een doorbraak moeten melden, wat dan weer meer iets is voor in Nieuws......?
    Natuurlijk blijf ik het wel in de gaten houden maar zoals het nu is posten we alleen maar de onzin berichten van met name Anorak en de hersenspinsels van fora, ook wel heel gezellig natuurlijk maar niet echt meldenswaardige items.
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:23 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
    <knip>

    Lijkt mij ook een goed plan, magoed, misschien dat er een modje kan zeggen of andere meelezers of het fijn is om wel een topic te houden, waar misschien dan wat minder in wordt gepost, of dat we alleen een doorbraak moeten melden, wat dan weer meer iets is voor in Nieuws......?
    Natuurlijk blijf ik het wel in de gaten houden maar zoals het nu is posten we alleen maar de onzin berichten van met name Anorak en de hersenspinsels van fora, ook wel heel gezellig natuurlijk maar niet echt meldenswaardige items.
    Goed plan, iets minder posten of een doorbraak in een Nieuws-topic. Of allebei... Maar goed, misschien kan Mod Tmaatje (e.a.) een mening hierover ventileren?
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 15:26:33 #295
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    quote:
    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 19:58 schreef Suko het volgende:

    [..]

    Goed plan, iets minder posten of een doorbraak in een Nieuws-topic. Of allebei... Maar goed, misschien kan Mod Tmaatje (e.a.) een mening hierover ventileren?
    Goed plan, dit was het enige 'nieuws' van vandaag.....
    quote:
    How Madeleine McCann And Pricness Diana Made Us Fear
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Baroness Neuberger: Children will grow up not trusting anyone in Britain’s risk-averse society”

    Paedo!

    Recent figures show there are no men under 25 working in England’s state-run nurseries, such is the fear of being branded a paedophile…

    But no figures are given. How many men used to work in state-run nurseries? The Telegraph does not say; but it does find time to tell readers that:

    “Her comments come amid increasing concerns that Government policies are poisoning relationships between people.”

    It’s Gordon Brown who’s to blame. Shifty eyes…

    Many people already say they are put off volunteering with children because of costly and time-consuming Criminal Records Bureau checks, and the problem is set to worsen from next year when 11.3 million adults who work with young people will have to undergo detailed background checks.

    Yeah, as many as “many”. Can the paper be a little less specific?

    Of course, the people checking the workers might be part of the same paedo gang as the wannabe-teachers, and well, you know…

    Says the Baroness:

    “We have become seriously risk-averse - fearful as a nation, scared of terrorists, child molesters and violence on the street - and as a result we make it harder and harder to help those who need our aid, and we become more and more withdrawn into ourselves.”

    Good point. And Our Maddie..?

    She goes on:

    “Such a level of protection as we have instituted will make children unable to trust anyone. It is as if we are trying to create a risk-free society, which we know in our heads and our hearts is impossible. The result is that we restrict and we regulate, hoping to make abuse impossible, while knowing we cannot. And, that way, we deter the willing and the kind.”

    We need a paedophile amnesty, not to drive it deeper underground. And Our Maddie?

    The problem was highlighted after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales when, according to Lady Neuberger, public outpouring of grief was really about people feeling sorry “for themselves” and “looking inward”.

    Our tanned Princess who reached out and with a manicured nail and some to-die-for gems touched our hearts.

    She said mistrust and hostility to others deepened following the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and 7/7, and the Soham and Madeleine McCann cases, and the situation was made still worse by the Government’s response of increasing surveillance and bureaucracy.

    A good point well made has been turned into a game of Tabloid Bingo, by the new Tabloid Telegraph.
    be nice or go away
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    quote:
    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 15:26 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

    [..]

    Goed plan, dit was het enige 'nieuws' van vandaag.....
    [..]
    Ha ha, jeetje...krijgt zo'n ouwe sok ook haar zegje..pfff. De commentaren zijn iig om te gillen!

    Maar goed, iemand (Sherlock) schreef het volgende, doeltreffend: Madeleine the unloved
    quote:
    "Despite waxing lyrical about what a lovely child she was, not one member of Madeleines family is prepared to speak up for her. Aunty Phil now knows nothing was JEMMIED as do all the rest of them, they all know that the little girl they profess to love was booked into the creche for every session and was left alone every evening but not one CARES poor-Madeleine .

    No Grandma or Grandpa No Aunty No Uncle No Cousin No Godparent No Parents Friend No Friends parents, No lawyer , No Judge , No Member of Parliament, No serving British policeman, No British journalist No one prepared to ask awkward questions on her behalf . Anyone who knew her who has done nothing to bring her justice and done everything to hide the truth is every bit as guilty as the person by whose action she died. I sincerely hope that all those who know her parents have lied and are still supporting them are haunted by that little girls miserable holiday and sad short life however much they pretend it was otherwise-behaviour charts for a three year old -how sinister is that FSS?"
    Ik kan er nog een boel YouTube-jes tegenaan gooien maar soms hebben woorden geen beelden nodig, deze zinnen spreken voor zich...

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    pi_61919079
    Zo, nog even voordat de tent/topic vol is, een indrukwekkend interview met de leider van het onderzoek Gonçalo Amaral, afgenomen door Paulo Reis and Duarte Levy, de journo's waarvan ik ook vaak de artikelen hier heb geplaatst. Uitgezonden op TVI, broadcast live on or around the 28th of July 2008. Wat mij betreft het meest duidelijke en beschuldigend naar de ouders van Madeleine McCann, al of niet met medewerking/medeweten van hun vakantievrienden, de zogenoemde Tapas 7. Ik heb het met stijgende verbazing gelezen, een hele zit maar leest eigenlijk als een detective. Neem de moeite als men echt achter een zekere waarheid wil komen, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro. "The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI Discussie op het 3Arguidoforum.

    * En verder een to-the-point YouTube-je van een 3arguido-member:



    * Vele video's met de onvolprezen snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela zijn hier te vinden.


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      vrijdag 26 september 2008 @ 12:39:16 #298
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    quote:
    Op donderdag 25 september 2008 22:58 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Zo, nog even voordat de tent/topic vol is, een indrukwekkend interview met de leider van het onderzoek Gonçalo Amaral, afgenomen door Paulo Reis and Duarte Levy, de journo's waarvan ik ook vaak de artikelen hier heb geplaatst. Uitgezonden op TVI, broadcast live on or around the 28th of July 2008. Wat mij betreft het meest duidelijke en beschuldigend naar de ouders van Madeleine McCann, al of niet met medewerking/medeweten van hun vakantievrienden, de zogenoemde Tapas 7. Ik heb het met stijgende verbazing gelezen, een hele zit maar leest eigenlijk als een detective. Neem de moeite als men echt achter een zekere waarheid wil komen, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro. "The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI Discussie op het 3Arguidoforum.
    hey Suko!
    Jeetje, zo langzamerhand komt er wel een hoop rottigheid naar boven, als het niet waar was van die bodily fluids en de verdenking dat ze bevroren is geweest neem dan maar aan dat er onmiddelijk een claim om zijn oren was geslingerd, tjonge, en die analyse dat de McCanns net zo in paniek zouden zijn als ze wisten dat ze dood was als wanneer ze verdwenen zou zijn is ook heel sterk. Ik begin echt te denken dat ze per ongeluk is gestorven, ongeluk of kate die is doorgedraaid, en dat Gerry haar heeft weggestommeld....

    Verder is er geen nieuws, Anorak houdt haar hardnekkig in het nieuws door dit soort berichten:
    quote:
    Madeleine McCann’s Halo 3: Selling Video Games And Making Jokes
    MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

    DAILY TELEGRAPH: “The News Quiz”

    As The News Quiz returns, host Sandi Toksvig tells James Walton why it’s lasted so long – despite the ‘galling’ low pay she and her guests receive

    Is Our Maddie fair game for comedy?

    Needless to say, some news stories are funnier than others. (The show, for example, steered well clear of Madeleine McCann.) Fortunately, even in the darkest times, “politicians have the most staggering skill at producing material for us”. With that 66th series about to begin, Toksvig now finds herself “terribly grateful to Sarah Palin. For comedy writers, she’s just heaven.”

    EUROGAMER: “Maddie reference spotted in Bungie trailer”

    Speculation is mounting that the new trailer for Bungie’s next Halo project features a reference to missing five year-old Madeleine McCann.

    Selling video games with Madeleine McCann:

    Apparently the message “MADDIE, WHERE ARE YOU?” appears in three frames of the video. A debate has now kicked off over whether this is a reference to the missing girl, who disappeared in May 2007.


    Bungie has yet to comment on the matter.

    CVG ONLINE: “Halo ‘Maddie’ reference sparks controversy”

    A frame in Bungie’s new Halo 3 ‘Keep It Clean’ trailer is being taken as a reference to missing British child Madeline McCann.

    Amongst various messages flashed across the screen during the trailer, one reads ‘MADDIE, WHERE ARE YOU?’, sparking controversy on internet forums - including this thread on the official Bungie site.

    Well, if the PR increases sales, then why not..?
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    * En verder een to-the-point YouTube-je van een 3arguido-member:

    [ afbeelding ]

    * Vele video's met de onvolprezen snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela zijn hier te vinden.


    Ook dit is volgens mij alleen maar de zaak levend houden en er voor zorgen dat het niet in de vergetelheid weg zakt, Er is domweg noppes, nada, nothing, te melden over nieuwe leads, sightings of onderzoeken, ik zou het misschien nog 1 topic willen proberen, die kan ook gesloten worden als het zo blijft, ik weet het ook niet zo goed, en we krijgen geen antwoord.....
    Goed, ik zal nog 1 topic openen als ik geen bericht krijg dat het niet hoeft.

    Oh en bungie heeft een statement gemaakt over dat plaatje in bovenstaand artikel:
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    Maddie ref. an "unfortunate coincidence" News News by Rob Purchese
    Today 10:15
    Bungie has said the reference to 'Maddie' in the teaser trailer for the studio's next Halo project is an "unfortunate coincidence" to that of missing five year-old Madeleine McCann.

    The trailer appeared at the end of a countdown yesterday, and fans combing the short CGI promotion for information came across the line, "Maddie, where are you?"

    This prompted plenty of speculation that it was a reference to Madeleine McCann, the child whose 2007 disappearance sparked a worldwide media campaign.

    "This is an unfortunate coincidence but there is no connection between Bungie's game and the tragic disappearance of that little girl," wrote Brian Jarrard, community voice at Bungie, on a Halo fansite.

    Writing in the official Bungie forums, the studio's Luke Smith has also stated there is no connection between the game and real-world events.


    "As always, all of the characters in our games are fictional. Any similarities between real life and the characters in our games are purely coincidental," wrote Smith.

    "That said, this is both an unfortunate and unintended coincidence."

    Eurogamer has contacted Bungie and Microsoft for comment.
    Misschien niet, hoe dan ook weer koren op de molen van de pers, net als bij die film......

    [ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 26-09-2008 12:44:27 ]
    be nice or go away
      vrijdag 26 september 2008 @ 14:15:50 #299
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61931268
    *Insert in paniek smilie!*
    Ze lezen mee, echt!
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    New Madeleine McCann sighting at Spanish resortBritish holidaymakers claim to have seen a girl resembling missing Madeleine McCann on the Spanish island of Majorca, reports claim.

    According to the Sun a UK couple told police of the similarity between a girl seen with two women last Sunday at Cala d'Or.

    They only reported the sighting after first returning to their hotel room to check internet pictures of Madeleine.

    The Sun said police had so far been unable to locate the girl seen by the UK tourists.

    "Officers are looking in hotels and holiday apartments to try to locate the young girl this couple saw," a police source told the tabloid.

    "So far we have not been able to find her.

    "The couple's account was detailed and there were no contradictions in their statements.

    "However, we are aware of the numerous previous sightings all over the world that have turned out to be false and it could well be that the couple have made an honest mistake."

    Madeleine was three when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, the Algarve, Portugal, in May last year while her parents Kate and Gerry dined at a nearby restaurant.

    There have been hundreds of sightings of Madeleine across Europe and north Africa since she went missing.
    be nice or go away
    pi_61936620
    Hooi Kahaarin, indeed een indrukwekkend interview met Amaral, met in het boek gewoon de feiten zoals die bij hem en de PJ bekend en vastgelegd zijn, en welke lang niet allemaal in de vrijgegeven files zijn te lezen. Het gegeven dat ze zeer dichtbij waren, zoals het apartement waar een freezer moet hebben gestaan om voor de hand liggende redenen (ik kan het niet eens optypen...) maar dat alles is gestopt toen. Ook het aan de FSS gegeven materiaal...Amaral: "As far as we know, they have all been destroyed by now, namely the hair. Nothing can be done."

    En aan het einde van het interview: "Will Maddie return to your life one of these days, or not?
    GA: I think yes. This book has the will of clarifying and of contributing to the investigation, I think yes, there are more things to talk about. JP: Is that your mission? GA: It’s not a mission, it’s a question of recovering my dignity and my honour and that of my colleagues and of this institution to which I was so proud of belonging to for so many years, and of justice being done for the little girl."

    Niet alleen geven ze niet op (vermoedelijk een paar van die Leicesterhire coppers ook niet, enkele zijn wel good guys) maar keer op keer lees ik meer warmte van hem over Madeleine dat van die zooi uit Rothey. Overigens denk ik zeker dat er een tweede boek komt, hij stroomt zowat over van alles wat hij weet en vindt dat het verteld moet worden. Zo is dat.

    En The Sun...

    Wat mij betreft zou je misschien best nog een topic kunnen openen, laat ik aan jou over, er zijn posters op het 3arguidoforum bezig stukje bij beetje die DVD met het eindrappoort uit het Portugees te vertalen wat een lastige klus schijnt te zijn, het ene gegeven is weer uitgelegd in één of meerdere onderdelen in een juridische taal waarvoor je moet door hebben geleerd. En voor zover ik heb begrepen zijn ze toch niet voor iedereen beschikbaar, alleen met een presscard te bestellen in Portugal. Ik heb hier en daar wat topics gelezen maar ik wacht op het moment dat iemand of meerdere daar één verhaal van maakt, nu is het absoluut niet te volgen aangezien er voor elk feitje een topic wordt geopend.

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    +++ The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine +++ (57 sec uit een interview met BBC Jane Hill)
      zondag 28 september 2008 @ 13:33:30 #301
    145755 kahaarin
    You are my sunshine......
    pi_61968721
    quote:
    Op vrijdag 26 september 2008 18:03 schreef Suko het volgende:
    Hooi Kahaarin, indeed een indrukwekkend interview met Amaral, met in het boek gewoon de feiten zoals die bij hem en de PJ bekend en vastgelegd zijn, en welke lang niet allemaal in de vrijgegeven files zijn te lezen. Het gegeven dat ze zeer dichtbij waren, zoals het apartement waar een freezer moet hebben gestaan om voor de hand liggende redenen (ik kan het niet eens optypen...) maar dat alles is gestopt toen. Ook het aan de FSS gegeven materiaal...Amaral: "As far as we know, they have all been destroyed by now, namely the hair. Nothing can be done."

    En aan het einde van het interview: "Will Maddie return to your life one of these days, or not?
    GA: I think yes. This book has the will of clarifying and of contributing to the investigation, I think yes, there are more things to talk about. JP: Is that your mission? GA: It’s not a mission, it’s a question of recovering my dignity and my honour and that of my colleagues and of this institution to which I was so proud of belonging to for so many years, and of justice being done for the little girl."

    Niet alleen geven ze niet op (vermoedelijk een paar van die Leicesterhire coppers ook niet, enkele zijn wel good guys) maar keer op keer lees ik meer warmte van hem over Madeleine dat van die zooi uit Rothey. Overigens denk ik zeker dat er een tweede boek komt, hij stroomt zowat over van alles wat hij weet en vindt dat het verteld moet worden. Zo is dat.

    En The Sun...

    Wat mij betreft zou je misschien best nog een topic kunnen openen, laat ik aan jou over, er zijn posters op het 3arguidoforum bezig stukje bij beetje die DVD met het eindrappoort uit het Portugees te vertalen wat een lastige klus schijnt te zijn, het ene gegeven is weer uitgelegd in één of meerdere onderdelen in een juridische taal waarvoor je moet door hebben geleerd. En voor zover ik heb begrepen zijn ze toch niet voor iedereen beschikbaar, alleen met een presscard te bestellen in Portugal. Ik heb hier en daar wat topics gelezen maar ik wacht op het moment dat iemand of meerdere daar één verhaal van maakt, nu is het absoluut niet te volgen aangezien er voor elk feitje een topic wordt geopend.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    +++ The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine +++ (57 sec uit een interview met BBC Jane Hill)
    Nou, toch maar weer een topic, Madeleine McCann, nog steeds geen nieuws. en we wachten idd de vertaling maar af.
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