Ouders van Madeleine McCann+Tapas 7 weigeren reconstructie..

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 21:28 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:

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Nee nou wordt ie mooi !!! Alsof de McCanns daar ook al alles over te zeggen hebben, wat een stel *******

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:26 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
ik bedoel deze post :

McCann: Judges have three weeks for conclusions
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis
The Attorney General of the Republic (PGR), Pinto Monteiro, has asked the magistrates of the Public Ministry to send him the final report of the Madeleine McCann case, the whole lot, within three weeks.

Pinto Monteiro aims to decide on the follow-up to the PJ's investigations after the inspectors have sent to the Public Ministry a report about the investigation work carried out since Madeleine's disappearance. A report more than damning in the facts, but in which the inspectors, voluntarily, have not wanted to draw conclusions or accusations, leaving to the magistrates the responsibility for deciding what follows.

According to a senior PJ office in the Algarve region, "the absence of conclusions or accusations in the report sent to the Public Ministry should be interpreted as the magistrates being given the responsibility and political power in this case."

"The PJ have not had the possibilty of conducting the investigation in a calm way....there was interferance and pressure, in particular from the British authorities and their representatives in Portugal," the same officer accused, stressing that in the United Kingdom, the police officers who had gone to Portugal, "admitted having been under the same pressure."

The Attorney General Pinto Monteiro has analysed dozens of pages of the PJ's report and is only waiting for the magistrates' decision: carry out more work, wait for more evidence or clues, knowing that the investigation cannot purely and simply be archived, contrary to what certain media have claimed.

"Now, the magistrates must have the courage to read, understand and analyse our report. It is up to them to decide on what follows and to find out if they have the courage to face the British." the senior PJ officer concluded.

http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/ 10/07/08 Vertaling > Bron


Het lijkt zo net alsof Gerrry McCann eist dat het binnen 3 weken uitspraak gedaan moet worden... en daar zakte mijn broek van af... zo brutaal is dat stel nog wel.

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:32 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko: deze ook gezien ??

[Deze-maand-besluit-over-dossier-Madeleine.dhtml

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:50 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Klopt, maar ik kreeg de indruk dat jij vond dat er hier wat lauw gereageerd werd in de media mbt de zaak.

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Op vrijdag 11 juli 2008 22:38 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Niet geheel ontopic, maar wel verontrustend genoeg vond ik dit artikel...

Vermoedelijke-kindermisbruiker-Shanti-opgepakt-in-Portugal.dhtml

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Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 11:32 schreef livelink het volgende:
Nou ja, nu waren ze in ieder geval verzekerd van een oppas en konden ze met een gerust hart uit eten gaan
's avonds. Ze hebben dus geleerd van hun fouten, gelukkig voor Sean en Amelie.

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How do you read the process of the removal of Gonçalo Amaral Dias?

Gonçalo Amaral is a great policeman who did an excellent job and one day couldn’t take the pressure anymore and said some unpleasant things to the English. He shouldn’t have said it but the world was not damaged because of him saying it, either. The truth is that he understood where the investigation was being stalled, and well fed up of being insulted, maltreated without a single voice to defend him. In fact, he should have remained silent but it is also true that a man is not made of iron.

Can we say that, together with the novella of little Madeleine and the removal of the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, we’re looking at another case of Portuguese submission to the “perfid Albion”?

I don’t know. It will take somewhat longer until we manage to understand how far this mess has reached.

Do you maintain your conviction that Madeleine McCann was killed in Aldeia da Luz?

I do. There are no material conditions to opt for another solution. The mystery lies with one or two of the ten or twelve elements that used to enter that apartment. I possess little data apart from knowing the location and the positions of each one of the persons that intervened. It is impossible for an abduction to take place under those circumstances. Only as an academical hypothesis.

In your opinion, do you think that the PJ’s image was affected by this case? Can the Portuguese [people] believe in the Police that we have?

There will be some damage to the PJ’s image that the criminal turbulence itself and the succession of solved crimes will dissolve. This, if it is confirmed that there is no indicia and the process is archived. And of course the Portuguese can believe in their police. It has a history of prestige and their level of effectiveness is one of the highest within Europe. It is not by one unsolved crime, among hundreds of thousands that are solved, that the capacity of the PJ can be evaluated.

Within this process, which was often surrounded by obscure outlines, what do you think has failed?

Let’s see when the process becomes public. It is too early to make that evaluation.

Was the archiving of the process foreseeable?

I don’t know whether the process is going to be archived.

What illations can be taken out of this case, in order for another process not to suffer the same outcome?

I don’t know what the outcome is going to be but every case is a case. There are no formulas or rules. That is why criminal investigation is a set of methods and not a science.

In what aspect did the media influence the course of the investigation into the case of Maddie’s disappearance?

The negative aspects are related to the natural pressure on the investigation. The PJ wants evidence, the journalists want news. Those are different things. But the publicizing of the problem was positive because it caught the attention of so many people about children’s rights, about the duties of protection towards the minors.

What measures should be taken to diminish the abductions of children and adolescents?

Abductions are hard to predict and to prevent. The only way to avoid them, or at least to reduce the possibility, is to watch the children directly.

Do you consider Portugal to be a safe country?

It’s the safest country within the European Union. Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais én het 3arfuidoforum

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Op zaterdag 12 juli 2008 12:28 schreef livelink het volgende:
Goedemiddag, Suko
Ik kan me de frustratie van de Portugezen en van deze agent in het bijzonder zo goed voorstellen. Ik raak zelfs al gefrustreerd door deze zaak, laat staan de direct betrokkenen.

Ik denk overigens wel dat de Portugese rechtsstaat met ook de arguido-status een en ander wel ingewikkelder heeft gemaakt. Wellicht is een en ander toch wel aan herziening toe in Portugal. De Britten kregen op deze manier wel erg veel ruimte om er in te springen en zich ermee te bemoeien, leek het.

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Cadaver Odour in the McCanns Car and Clothes

Maddie. Final report of the PJ says that Murat is arguido because of journalist suspicion.

In a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver dogs only signalled cadaver odour and blood scent in Kate and Gerry McCann car, rented 24 days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

This is one of the conclusions of the final report of the PJ on the investigation that has lasted for more than one year, handed to the Public Ministry and that waits now for a decision. The Republic’s Attorney General requested the end of this month as the deadline, so that the archiving or requests for new diligences are decided.

In the first approach done by the British laboratory, the Forensic Science Service and by the Portuguese Institute of Forensic medicine, it was registered a match of Madeleine's DNA profile with some of the collected evidences in the Renault car, rented by the couple.

In a second approach, done by both Institute of Forensic medicine and the English laboratory, the final results did not corroborate the canine markings in the places and Kate and Gerry McCann clothes.

As explained yesterday in an article published by Expresso, it was a due to the mere possibility of the involvement of the couple McCann with the eventual cadaver that the PJ, in September of 2007, appointed Kate and Gerry as arguidos.

But, what exactly did the cadaver dogs detect?Cadaver's odour in the room of the couple, in a corner, next to the closet, in the living room, behind the sofa, next to the side window of the apartment, in one of the flowerbeds outside the apartment, in two pieces of clothes belonging to Kate, in Madeleine's piece of clothing, in the child’s plush and in the key of the rented car.

Odour of blood was still detected in the same key of the rented car and inside the boot of the same.

For all of these reasons, the conclusion of this case will have to be one alone: archiving. THE PJ considers that, in spite of all diligences that were done and that all investigation lines were followed, it was not possible to understand what effectively went on that night.

The same report assumes that any diligence done now will not help the discovery of the truth, regretting the fact that the reconstitution of the night of the disappearance, was not carried out as requested by the PJ at the end of May. One year after Madeleine disappeared from Praia da Luz. Source: Diário de Notícias

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Cheques to the ‘fund’ or to the McCanns? (YouTube video)

Link: Clarence Mitchell Talks to Jon Gaunt

Apart from the interview revealing some facts such as Mr Mitchell stating that they are apparently paying Metodo3 £50,000 per month, I found the last part of the interview intriguing:

At approx. 9:52:

Jon Guant: And Just before you go, of course, how can we and how can my million listeners if they wish to, contribute to the fund to find Madeleine?

Clarence Mitchell: If you’d like to contribute and if you feel so moved, we..we’d.. it would be an incredibly generous gesture, we need every penny to keep this going, er, you can just look at our website in the first instance findmadeleine.com and there are all the er details on that as to how to send it in.

Jon Guant: Sure

Clarence Mitchell: Erm failing that, even if you send a cheque or anything in an envelope to Kate and Gerry in Rothley, it will get there. People from around the world are doing that and we’re very very grateful for every penny and we will maintain the use of that money fully for the finding of Madeleine to bring her back home where she belongs.

Clarence Mitchell failed to mention who to make the cheques payable to (Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited), instead note his words “send a cheque or anything in an envelope to Kate and Gerry at Rothley...” And “People from around the world are doing that...”

Presumably "cheque or anything" means cash?

How many cheques received has been made payable to Mr and Mrs McCann? Will those cheques go into their private bank account? And what about the cash placed in envelopes? It makes a person wonder just how much donated money has not been declared and squirrelled away.

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And now Mr Mitchell has made another statement: This is Leicestershire “Madeleine McCann fund down to £500,000”

Goodness, that is a huge amount of money that Team McCann have gone through and what do they have to show for it?

Now that Mr Mitchell has made a fresh appeal to the public for more donations to pep up the ‘dwindling’ funds, people are already beginning to wonder if there are more McCann libel actions on the horizon. It seems the McCanns name has become synonymous with money.

Interestingly, in the beginning there was a ‘current amount donated so far’ clearly displayed beneath the PayPal button on the McCanns ‘find Madeleine’ website (which was set up approx. 12 days after Madeleine disappeared) – since the site was revamped they seemed to have forgotten to replace the ‘current amount donated so far’ information bar underneath the PayPal button.

It may be nothing, but I did notice the news article (at the end) clearly shows the PO BOX where donations can be sent, but there was no mention of the PayPal option available on the McCanns site.

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Op zondag 13 juli 2008 22:23 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Dit commentaar zegt het allemaal !!

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Sunday Express, 13th July 2008

Former Secret Agents are working with the new team of investigators trying to trace missing four year old Madeleine McCann. The ex-spooks are bringing a new range of skills to the huge task of trying to find leads which could finally solve the 15 month old mystery.

Kate and Gerry won a significant battle last week when Leicestershire Police handed a dossier of information to their legal team. The 81 documents have potentially ground breaking information...

...now the investigators working for the McCanns are painstakingly sifting through it hoping for a breakthrough.

The Sunday Express understands some of the team have worked for the Security Services. "It is very much a British based operation now with highly skilled investigators working on it." said a source.

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McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell ponders PR move

As Kate and Gerry McCann return from their first family holiday since their daughter Madeleine disappeared 14 months ago, their spokesman Clarence Mitchell is in talks to join a PR agency where he plans to help other parents who have lost children to deal with the media. The former BBC reporter, has already advised the parents of Jimmy Mizen, the 16-year-old schoolboy murdered in London in May, and Fiona MacKeown, the mother of 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling, who was murdered in Goa in February.

Thus far Mitchell has assisted on a pro bono basis, but, as the requests for his expertise mount up, he is mulling his options. “I’m happy to help anyone in the eye of a media storm, but I need to put myself on a firm financial footing,” he says. “I should stress, however, that there’s absolutely no question of me abandoning Kate and Gerry McCann.”

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Op maandag 14 juli 2008 10:08 schreef livelink het volgende:
When opportunity knocks.....

Ik word er echt ziek van, de dood van Madeleine is het beste wat sommige mensen is overkomen, including Kate en Gerry lijkt het wel.

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Op maandag 14 juli 2008 20:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
_{* kahaarin voorzichtig om het hoekje gluurt......*}

FF even geen Maddy en FOK!, dit weekeinde hebben we leuke dingen gedaan irl, ook wel een keertje leuk.
Nu nog bijlezen, of kan ik me de moeite besparen?

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In life nobody knows what our destiny holds, what is around the next corner and where we will be in 10, 20 yrs times. Our lifes can be a roller coaster at times, having its ups and downs. But there is one thing we are certain off and something that we can't escape and it happens to all of us, that is death.

We could die from, old age, natural causes, an accident or an illness. But the vast majority of people die in the comfort of their family. In tragic accidents where death is instant it is a shock to all of us, and I have heard people say I wish I had done this and said this. And it is the same with sudden death through illness. But there is one thing we have no destiny over and that is how we do die and whether it would be instant or not. I suspect and nobody can confirm it, but the last things to go in a death that is not instant is your thoughts and hearing.

In this case the PJ are working on the assumption that Madeleine is deceased. So we have several possible causes.

Firstly Abduction, well in all honesty the likelihoods of Madeleine being abducted by a nice friendly couple who are going to cherish and love is zilch. Even if that did happen still Madeleine would have suffered and be thinking the thoughts of I want my mum and dad. And she will be upset and distressed and suffering because feelings don't just go off overnight they last quite a while.

Secondly we have Abduction by a paedophile, well that is a terrible senario, her poor little body being violated by somebody that has no respect for human life and children. If that what was the case again she would be in pain, frightened and would be suffering the most horrendous injuries imaginable before she ultimately met her death.

Thirdly we have accidental death, not all accidental deaths are instant, there is no guarantee of that at the moment, because there is no body, whether Madeleine died instantly or not. So lets think about if she did not die instantly and laid there waiting to die, all alone and longing so much for her mum and dad, like any child does, especilly if they are hurt.

Fourthly there could have been sedation, well lets hope if this was the cause she drifted to sleep and never awoke and she knew nothing about it. In that case probably she knew nothing about it.

But Fifthly, she could have been sedated and then through sedation have woken, what thoughts would she have had, if she had woken feeling sick, drowsy, she would have been frightened and would be longing and wanting her mum and dad. Any ill child wants the love and care and protection of their parents.

Even as adults if things go wrong in your life, you still want your mum or if your mother is departed the thoughts are I wish my mum was here. It is natural and it is normal. But Madeleine didn't have this did she. The poor child was left in all honesty to face her death alone without the love and care of her parents. Some will say, but it is the abductor that is a fault, nobody is denying that but if Kate and Gerry had been there and she had been abducted and they knew they had taken every precaution necessary, it would not have stopped them feeling guilty, just incase there was something they hadn't done, like shut a window etc. Normal parents feel the guilt they do not make excuses for their failings.

So out of all the posssible causes of death for poor Madeleine there is only one where she might not have had fears, thoughts and felt all alone.

So Kate and Gerry, tell me how do you live with yourselves? How can you promote Amber Alert knowing that it was partly your fault your daughter is probably dead? How can wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and not hate yourselves, because I would if I had put my daughter in that position, and I know my family would have felt disgusted with me as well.

Poor Madeleine she never really had a chance did she?

Met een antwoord aan Sylvie01 op de mogelijlke betrokkenheid van een criminele organisatie: "Even if it is proven Madeleine paid the ultimate price in the part of Organised Crime, there is no guarantee she is alive and kicking (as sylvie puts it), she would still suffer from thoughts of fear and dread and would still be wanting her mum and dad. Also if the McC's are involved in the ORGANISED CRIME, how do they live with themselves, because how do they explain to Madeleine why she can't see her brother and sister and play with her friends. Irrespective whether it was abduction by a paedophile or organsied crime the poor child would still be having thoughts of fear and longing to be with her family. Organised crime again can also involve paedophilia, maybe the actual person that abducted her might not have abused her he still could have passed her onto someone who would. Irresepctive of whatever pans out, Maddy still had feelings and emotions and I think its about time some people put themselves into her shoes, instead of the McCanns shoes."

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"Madeleine, it's mummy and daddy here. Just know how much we love you, Madeleine. "We all miss you so much. "Sean and Amelie talk about you all the time every day. We're doing everything we can, Madeleine, to find you and there are so many good and very kind people helping us. "Be brave sweetheart. "Our only Christmas wish is for you to be back with us again and we're hoping and praying that that will happen. "Love you Madeleine."

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Op dinsdag 15 juli 2008 12:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Inderdaad, als ze er nu alles aan hadden gedaan en volledig hadden meegewerkt dan was die stap om een alert in te laten voeren en al die publiciteit misschien wel een missie om de nagedachtenis van hun kind levend te houden, >knip<

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Murat To Get Damages From Papers
Robert Murat has settled a claim for damages with a number of British newspapers over allegations of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry. Mr Murat will be in the High Court in London on Thursday to receive apologies from the newspapers. Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said Mr Murat has settled with the lawyers of eight newspapers. It is believed however that he was looking to sue 10 newspapers.

He added that Mr Murat was expecting to get a number of apologies read out in court. "I'm told there was speculation about a figure of £2m he was claiming," Brunt said. "As I understand it, he's expecting to get £250,000 to £500,000." It was widely considered at the time that this was one of the biggest ever libel claims.

Newspapers both in Portugal and Britain wrote many articles about Mr Murat when he became the first 'arguido' - or suspect - in the case of Madeleine's disappearance. He was hauled in by Portuguese policemen, spoken to and questioned for about 17 hours before being released.

He vehemently denied any involvement and was quite taken aback by the newspaper speculation coverage of his alleged involvement. Apart from allegations of him being involved, there were lurid allegations written about him and his private life. Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007, days before her fourth birthday.

She had been left sleeping in a holiday apartment as her parents Kate and Gerry dined with friends in a nearby tapas bar in the resort of Praia da Luz in southern Portugal. More follows...Sky News

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MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann MADDIE WATCH - Madeleine McCann: Robert Murat Wins Damages

ROBERT Murat, the one-eyed, “oddball“, “weirdo“, “bouncy castle” fetishist, fingered by the Sunday Mirror’s Lori Campbell, has settled a claim for damages with a number of British newspapers over allegations of his involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

Mr Murat will be in the High Court in London on Thursday to receive apologies from the newspapers.

Did he get £1million? Did they all apologise?

The Sun’s Julie Moult considers the evidence. And delivers a piece entitled “stories of a fantasist”. “He always seemed so eager to get involved in the police investigation,” says the Sun’s woman–on-the-scene. “Robert claimed he had a daughter just like Madeleine and said he felt compelled to do anything he could. But to me he seemed like classic fantasist.”

The settlement is with eight UK national newspapers, with damages totalling between £250,000 and £500,000, according to Sky News.

The Mail’s Neil Sears also spots Murat. In “My encounters with a man ‘who just wanted to help’”, Sears tells Mail readers, “There was something more to the friendly expat who called himself ‘Rob’ than met the eye.”

The Sunday Mirror’s Lori Cambell who alerted police to Murat’s behaviour, she saw as “creepy”. She todl the police. But why did she tell the world?

Paul Titcombe had worked with Murat, and the Sun duly noted:

“Paul also suspected Murat had an unhealthy interest in children,” notes the Sun. Interesting. But, sadly, the Sun does not enlarge on this. The usually loquacious Titcombe is not quoted. Examples are not cited.

And:

The Sun hears from Murat’s former work colleague Ji Stanton. Says he: “If he didn’t take his medication, he could be very Jekyll and Hyde. People did see him as creepy.”

The Express topped the lot by comparing an innocent Murat to Soham killer Ian Huntley.

“Kidnapping has weird echoes of Soham case,” says the Express’s front page. “MADDY SUSPECT BEHAVED JUST LIKE HUNTLEY.”

Tuck Price defended Murat when they pointed the finger, and Kate McCann wondered, before the tabloids cleared him. Berore he killed himself. Before he became another Michael Cook. Jenny Murat remained steadfast. We watched his girlfriend.

Max Clifford. Calling Max Clifford…

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Op dinsdag 15 juli 2008 17:15 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Toen ik het postte was dat er nog niet... Maar goed, ik had geloof ik een hele poos geleden al gezegd dat ik het meer terecht zou vinden dat Murat een vergoeding zou krijgen, gelukkig heeft hij die nu ook gehad, die 'reporter' die hem zo aan het demoniseren is geweest spoort zelf niet helemaal, Google maar eens op de naam. De blogs vind ik soms wel leuk om te lezen maar dat gehakketak over en weer en die complotten zijn soms niet om door te komen, ik ben regelmatig op zoek naar m'n alu-hoedje.

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Hello. I'm from Portugal and I am following this case in the news everyday since Madeleine was abducted on May 3. I have to disagree with some british media saying portuguese police is under-resourced and under-experienced. Our police is good in cases like this. In Sept 2004 a little girl disapeared in Algarve and the police solved the case. Unfortunately, the girl was killed by her mother who is now in jail for the next 20 years.

With Madeleine they are doing an impossible job. Within hours they had hundreds of agents on location, helicopters, they even closed border to Portugal/Spain in Algarve. The navy is in the water since day one, and they still there. If Madeleine is in Portugal they will find her. One or two days after the crime someone spoted a man with a little blonde girl and called the police and 5 minutes later police was there (they were father and daughter on vacations). The only diference from UK is that some issues cannot be discussed in public. They hold information that is important to the investigation. They only release information that can help. I don't think that is unusual. The first days, police didn't tell all they know to the parents because they were suspects. The media coverage is unbelievable. Rarely seen anything like this in Portugal. We only have 3 nacional TV Stations and, no matter what time, at least one of them is broadcasting live from Algarve. In the last 10 days, if you are in Portugal and turn on the TV you will see something about Madeleine. There's a big reward for the safe return of Madeleine. Writer JK Rowling of "Harry Poter" is offering a substancial reward. All rewards together from celebraties and friends of the family sum up to 4 million euro. Soccer superstars Cristiano Ronald and David Beckam made apeals. Madeleine's uncle, John McCann, is trying to put photos on giant screens in Glasgow stadium during the Uefa cup final next wednesday. The last news, police now know the motive of the crime and believe can rescue Madeleine at any moment. Don't know if dead or alive. The prime suspect is someone from UK in vacations in the same resort (problably friends of Madeleine's parents) or an employee of the resort.

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Some details, as I read the news here in Portugal:

The resort had a 24 hour baby sitting service that the parents turned down. Later they told the police they thought there were security cameras all over the resort. They left the 3 children sleeping in the house and had dinner in a restaurant inside the resort 50 meters away. They could see the back of the house but they could not see any windows or any doors. They checked the kids every 15 minutes or so. The police took more than 2 hours to get there because the McCanns contacted the British council, instead of going directly to the police. The British Council contacted the UK police and the UK police contacted the portuguese police. This is a low crime area, however during the summer when Algarve is full of tourists there are some robberys always during dinner time when the thieves know the tourists are at the restaurants and sometimes don't even lock the doors.

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Op woensdag 16 juli 2008 13:38 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Kijk eens wat een verschil in berichtgeving, de Clarrie spin druipt er af in de Engelse artikelen:
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http://www.dvhn.nl/nieuws(...)jgt_schadevergoeding
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http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=21091134&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393

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Legal editor for the Daily Telegraph Joshua Rozenberg told the BBC the British newspapers were now clearly admitting they could not defend their allegations. "They realise that this is one of the most damaging things you could say about anybody, and it appears that they have all clubbed together and agreed to settle the libel claim out of court." "He added: "As far as English law is concerned, he is being vindicated and the newspapers are very clearly saying that they cannot justify what they alleged." Niri Shan, a media lawyer who specialises in defamation, said Mr Murat's status as a suspect did not justify the allegations published. "I suspect it won't be too long before that status might be lifted. So I think the newspapers have made a calculated decision to get out of the action early before costs become a major factor in the litigation," he said. Under Portuguese law someone can remain an official suspect without charge for as long as the investigation is continuing. Kate and Gerry McCann also remain official suspects in the inquiry."

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Breaking News:

Maddie case will know "a solution" on Monday
Madeleine: Republic’s Attorney General Office will release “a solution” for the case on Monday

16 de Julho de 2008, 16:10

Lisboa, 16 Jul (Lusa) – The Republic’s Attorney General Office will present “a solution” for the “Maddie case” on Monday, the Attorney General, Pinto Monteiro, announced today.

During statements to journalists upon exiting the inauguration ceremony of the president of the Appeals Court of Lisbon, Vaz das Neves, the Republic’s Attorney General announced that his Office will release a press note about the “Maddie case” on Monday.

“This means that the ‘Maddie case’ will have a solution on Monday which will be communicated to you”, Pinto Monteiro said.

When questioned by the journalists about what solution will be announced concerning the “Maddie case”, the Attorney General refused to anticipate an answer, merely saying that it will be “the one that will be read out to you”.

Source: LUSA by astro

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D-Day for Madeleine McCann case looms
1 hour ago

Portugal's attorney general is to announce on Monday what he intends to do about the police investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Prosecutors have been reviewing the final police report into what happened to Madeleine, who went missing in the Algarve in May last year, a few days before her fourth birthday.

After receiving their recommendations, Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro will decide whether to bring charges, ask police to undertake further inquiries or close the case.

Mr Pinto Monteiro said he intended to issue a statement giving his decision.

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"Monteiro's words also fuelled speculation that the case could finally be drawing to a close. He told reporters in Lisbon today: "The Maddie case will have a solution on Monday and you will hear of it."

Reports suggested he would announce whether the case would be closed, charges would be brought or more inquiries made. The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said the family, whose daughter went missing from their holiday apartment on May 3 last year, had not been contacted by the Portuguese authorities.

"We've heard nothing official and our lawyers have heard nothing official," he said. "It may well be true, but we can't comment because we haven't heard. We're not going to prejudice anything."

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"With all due respect, I don't know why this is so hard to understand:
THERE IS NO CLOSING OF THE CASE.
The process may be archived, AWAITING THE PRODUCTION OF BETTER EVIDENCE.
The case, like the investigation itself, remains OPEN.
The process may be reopened at any time, and arguidos made again, if relevant evidence is found.
I don't know how to say this in a more clear manner.
The case is not closed until it is discovered, and proved, what happened to Madeleine.
I never dreamt that this could be so difficult to understand, and to report accurately.

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Op donderdag 17 juli 2008 12:13 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Om er voor te zorgen dat dit artikel niet ineens 'kwijt' is post ik hem even in z'n geheel:
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23517152-details/article.do?ito=newsnow&

Vooral dat stukje van CM:
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Natuurlijk vertellen ze vantevoren niets aan de verdachten, kom op zeg, als blijkt dat ze aangeklaagd gaan worden dan zijn de McCanns toch financieel in staat om een poosje te verdwijnen? Hij blijft er maar op hameren dat ze niet genoeg info krijgen, natuurlijk niet, dat is toch nooit zo bij verdachten?

En dat de familie vigorously the neglect charges gaat verwerpen, dat kan hij best roepen maar volgens mij is hij geen advocaat dus is dat alleen maar valse lucht verplaatsen, dit is weer zo'n artikel dat de potentie heeft te gaan verdwijnen, vooral als de McCanns er niet zo goed afkomen als CM ons wil doen geloven.

Ik vind die Portugese mensen in jouw links meer helder en duidelijk dan de hele Britse pers met hun CM spin op de frontpages Suko.....

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"Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

The process relative to Madeleine McCann disappearance will be available for consultation to the lawyers from next week. The secrecy of justice was not extended and the Public Ministry is getting ready to conclude the final report.

Source: Correio da Manhã

Note: full article is still not online, will update soon as possible. by Joana Morais

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Maddie Case will be archived next Monday

The process relative to Madeleine McCann disappearance will be available for consultation to the lawyers from next week. The secrecy of justice was not extended and the Public Ministry is getting ready to conclude the final report. Pinto Monteiro, the Attorney General, announced yesterday that on Monday new phases of the process will be known which goes through a limited consultation of the legal proceedings[autos]. This week some selective scannings were done, for specific consultations for the legal representatives.

Everything indicates that the case, which ending will be the archiving waiting for better evidences [to substantiate the crime], will never be really open to the ‘public poll’. A situation that the law predicts, since there are in question fundamental rights, like the reserve of the private life. It is probable that some files attached, like the one that contains Kate's diaries, will be ordered to be destroyed because of not being considered relevant.

Kate, Gerry and Robert Murat will stop being arguido after the archiving of legal process.

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‘CM’ reveals – 15 of the 19 genetic markers found

English want secrecy

The McCanns want to hide the data from the Birmingham laboratory

One magistrate and two policemen, including Stuart Prior, responsible for the connection with the PJ, were at the Court in Portimão yesterday, trying to convince the Public Ministry prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes not to release the entire process of the disappearance of Madeleine from the judicial secrecy. One of the situations that the English want is that the preliminary report from the Birmingham lab, which mentions that “15 of the 19 genetic markers that were found in a residue that was collected from the couple’s car’s boot, are a match [with the missing child]” is not made public. Their pretention was denied.

Also the residues that were collected behind the sofa, according to the first report, “coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann”, which led the Portuguese police and also the English liaison officer to fundament their suspicions that the child died between 5.30 p.m. and 10 p.m. at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, and that the body was transported in the car that was rented by the parents 22 days later.

With the lifting of the judicial secrecy next week, some of those documents may be made public. CM knows that the fundaments of the preliminary report, allied to the elements that were collected by the investigation in the meantime, led the authorities onto the path of the parents as suspects of the child’s death. Kate and Gerry McCann later alleged that there were no indicia against them, but another report, signed by Mark Harrisom, the English policeman who was assigned to help the Portuguese authorities, also peremptorily stated that the little girl was dead. The English officer even admitted the possibility that the body of little Madeleine had been thrown into the sea, and equally defended the potentialities of the sniffer dogs, that are experts in detecting odours of cadaver and blood.

Details

Extracted from the hair. Madeleine McCann’s DNA was extracted from several residues that were collected at the apartment. Among them, hair that was found on the little girl’s brush and also saliva that was collected from the pillow.

19. In Portugal, the collection of 19 genetic markers is demanded for the determination of paternity. But in other countries, like the USA, only 12 are demanded.

15. On the residues that were collected from the rented car’s boot after the disappearance, 15 genetic markers that are identical to Madeleine were found.

Traces of a crime

Two dogs that are specially trained to assist in criminal investigation detected cadaver odour in the McCanns’ bedroom, in the living room, on Kate’s clothes, on the little girl’s soft toy and on the car key, as well as blood traces in the car boot and in the apartment’s living room.

Theoretical contamination possible

The second report from the English lab, which was sent after the child’s relatives were made arguidos, raises theoretical doubts that end up annulling the first conclusions.

The technicians say that if the residues that were collected are from one single source, then they belong to Madeleine. But if they were contaminated with DNA from Kate or Gerry (who present genetic resemblances because they are the biological parents), they may not belong to the child. Apart from that, according to the experts, the obtained results are so complex that they do not allow for an absolute reading.

British technique can be verified

The technique that was used by the English experts to verify the residues that were collected from the McCanns’ apartment and car is one of the most sophisticated in the world.

It is used in that country and in the United States because it allows for the extraction of DNA profiles from very tenuous residues, by augmenting the amplification cycles. Due to the fact that it demands for very expensive material, and leads to results that are difficult to decode, this technique has not earned followers in Europe yet.

In these reports, which were sent to the Polícia Judiciária months apart from each other, the authorities start by explaining the technique that is used, and state that they used a reference DNA sample from Madeleine McCann. That sample was obtained from “saliva stains that existed on the pillowcase”.

DNA from the rest of the family was also verified, because they contain similar genetic markers and to avoid any confusion with the results.

Throughout the 22 pages of the report, which was signed by the same expert in both cases, it is frequent for the specialist in Microbiology and Biochemistry to admit that the complexity of the obtained data does not allow for a correct reading.

Nevertheless, the laboratory has duplicated the residues, a fact that makes it possible for the same results to be contradicted by the Portuguese Forensic Medicine experts.

According to what our newspaper was able to establish, some questions are still in the air and the foreseen archiving on Monday is certainly not going to clarify them. Namely the motive for the test results to have taken several months to be made known to the authorities, and having been altered in such a substantial manner.

It should also be referred that separate tests were made afterwards, which originated other reports – they all continued to be inconclusive.

Gerry is the father

The possibility, which was advanced by a Portuguese newspaper, was never under investigation. Gerry is Maddie’s and the twins’ biological father, according to what the genetic profiles of the family members were able to confirm.

Murat | Compensation – Murat is going to receive 757 thousand euros from British newspapers that recognized yesterday that they had published defamatory and false news about him.

Archiving | Evidence – The archiving of the process, which is due to be announced on Monday, does not mean that the case is going to be buried. It may be reopened if new evidence appears.

McCanns | Arguidos - If there is no final dispatch, Kate and Gerry remain as arguidos. Today, Robert Murat also maintains the same status. Source: Correio da Manhã 18.07.2008, paper edition.

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bomaris wrote:
Does anyone else think this might be in response to a court order from pro Mrs. Justice Hogg?

Bingo. I think you have got it. I believe Amaral was very frustrated by the British police seeming to being following up every McCann team lead. Now we know about the court involvement it was quite liking court ordered that they do so.

The ward of the court strategy was orginally set up to enable parents in custody type abductions to force the police to take action. The McCanns seemed to have used it to force the British police to follow up their leads through the family court orders. You could be exactly right the family court could well have ordered the British police to protect Madeleine by suppressing public access to the details of the case.

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English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends

Statements: Doctors Friends of the McCanns talked with the British Police
English ignored complaint for paedophilia against one of the McCanns Friends

Dave Payne, one of the friends of the McCann who were vacationing in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected for paedophile behaviour.

Read all the details of this case on Saturdays edition of the newspaper Correio da Manhã.

Source: Correio da Manhã 19 July 08

Update will folow as soon as we get our hands on the paper edition. Main aspects of what's to come- 5 pages article

The suspicions were raised by a couple, friends of the Paynes, in the summer of 2005.
This couple, Katherina and Arul, both doctors, went to the British police 12 days after Madeleine went missing. They overheard some conversations between jerry and David that indicated interest in sex with minors. This information was only received by the PJ last January.

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Depositions – Doctor friends of the McCanns spoke to the English police

Payne suspected of paedophilia

Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group’s members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year

David Payne, one of the McCanns’ friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.

The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.

According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.

Touching the nipple

Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends’ behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.

The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. “That was done in a provocative manner”, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.

Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.

Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherina’s companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasn’t aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didn’t see it being repeated.

The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.

During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography. “I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner”, she concluded.

Friends from school days

Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.

Doubts in the case

Irishman not heard – An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.

Sending delayed – The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.

Bank account info – The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.

Life stories – The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddie’s mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.

Kate accused of conditioning the case

An intercalary report from the Polícia Judiciária, which was produced immediately before Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, accuses Madeleine’s parents of having conditioned the investigation. The document is signed by an inspector and was directed to Gonçalo Amaral, who was then coordinating the process.

The investigator then stated that the information that had been collected initially, was worked by the group in order to sustain the abduction theory. He guarantees that they all lied to protect themselves and even suggests that some could have been covering the crime up.

The testimony from Janne Turner [sic], who guarantees that she saw a man crossing the street with a child in his arms, is also questioned. The policeman said that Janne [sic] was only two or three metres away from Gerry but he failed to see the man. And that, by stating that the man was headed towards Murat’s house, she ended up orienting the investigation into a false direction, which led to an unnecessary waste of time.

The same report exposes other contradictions in the English’s depositions. Kate and Gerry say that they picked up their children from the crèche at 5.30 p.m., but while the former guarantees that they went for a half-hour run on the beach and only then returned to the apartment, her husband states that they went to play tennis during that period.

After that, at around 8 p.m., one of the elements of the group reportedly went to the apartment that had been rented by the couple. Kate says that he was there only for 30 seconds and then left. Gerry speaks about half an hour. The policeman remembers that the time difference is what is needed between asking whether everything is well, or advancing in case a crime has to be concealed.

Another situation that the authorities found strange was the fact that Kate, upon realizing that Maddie had disappeared, remained inside the apartment for ten minutes. Only then did she ask for help, leaving the twins asleep in their cots while she returned to the restaurant. The policeman who wrote the report asks how it is possible that a mother facilitates the safety of her other children when it is certain that by that time she was already screaming that her daughter had been abducted.

They could not see the apartment

Another contradiction was pointed out by the inspector who was in charge of the Maddie case. The policeman remembered that the McCanns asserted that their position inside the restaurant was a strategic one, so they could see the apartment where their children were sleeping. But according to several testimonies, Kate and Gerry had their backs turned to the apartment.

source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition