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  woensdag 27 augustus 2008 @ 12:21:49 #201
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In elk geval een rondje Anorak vast en een paar vraagjes.
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Madeleine McCann: Rose Ron, Murder And Portugal’s Bermuda Triangle For Missing Kids
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
SKY NEWS: “Tragic Case Of Israel’s Madeleine”

One day on from the news of Israel’s “our Maddie”, Sky news leads with “Israel’s our Maddie”. As Anorak readers know Israel’s our Maddie is called Rose Ron. Sky News - First for breaking news…

Rose Ron is missing. Rose Ron was missing:

No-one seemed to really notice until her grandfather walked into a Tel Aviv police station two weeks ago and confessed to her murder.

No-one? Subtext: Sky News didn’t notice.

Recounting his actions, Ronny Ron told police he got angry with Rose during a car journey and hit her. After he struck her and did not hear any sounds he realised she was dead. In his panic, he claims to have stuffed her body into a suitcase and thrown it into a river. Speaking in court, he called her death a ‘tragic mistake’.

So Israel’s Maddie is similar to our Maddie because..? And do bear in mind that none of our Maddie’s family members are accused of any hand in her disappearance. Indeed, Kate and Gerry McCann have been cleared. so too has Robert Murat. Sky commented on him…

“I have handled many investigations,” said the Israeli district police commander on Israeli radio. “But I can not recall a single other investigation that turned all our stomachs, that all of us come out of the investigation briefings with tears in their eyes.”

No, not our Maddie, but their Maddie…

THE TIMES: “The sad life and death of Rose, Israel’s Madeleine McCann”

You know, the French girl called Rose Ron..?

Rose, the little girl with haunted blue eyes and ashy blonde hair has been called the Israeli Madeleine McCann.

Yeah, blonde. Well, blonde-ish. Not as blonde as our Maddie, the original Maddie. But then she is a foreigner…

THE SUN: “Party Brit’s girl taken into care”

The Sun’s VERONICA LORRAINE is in Portimao, Portugal. She needs a story quick. She finds one, sort of:

A GIRL of eight was taken into care after her British mum went partying and left her alone in their holiday apartment — a few miles from where Madeleine McCann was snatched.

Jeeze! Just think what could have happened… Remember them?

Portimao is less than 25 miles from Praia da Luz, where Maddie vanished in May last year just before her fourth birthday.

Praia da Luz is the Bermuda Triangle for missing kidz. Fact!

The Sun understands the mum had been urged by a doctor to avoid drink on holiday as she was on medication to combat alcohol-related problems and depression.

How very understanding…

But she ignored the advice, went out boozing and ended up needing hospital treatment.

Some people. Tsk!

Police handed her frightened daughter to a temporary care home in Faro. After being assessed there she was transferred to a children’s home in nearby Loule.

A Portuguese children’s home…. Noooooo!

Madeleine McCann: Accept no substitute…
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/188724.html

Wat is er nu concreet bekend over alle verhoren van de Tapas9 en met name Jane Tanner en Kate McCann?
Wat ik tot nu toe hebe gelezen is dat er dingen echt niet kloppen en dat er steeds meer stemmen opgaan die de verhalen in twijfel trekken maar is er dan nu zicht op een hernieuwd onderzoek?

Tjonge je kunt niet eens een paar weekjes op vakantie zonder dat er een schat aan nieuwe info opduikt waar bijna niet door te komen is.....
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kahaarin! Leuk je weer te lezen! Hopelijk heb je een mooie vakantie gahad.
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Wat is er nu concreet bekend over alle verhoren van de Tapas9 en met name Jane Tanner en Kate McCann?
Wat ik tot nu toe hebe gelezen is dat er dingen echt niet kloppen en dat er steeds meer stemmen opgaan die de verhalen in twijfel trekken maar is er dan nu zicht op een hernieuwd onderzoek?
Hernieuwd onderzoek? Nee joh, met name fora en bloggers publiceren nu de eerste verklaringen, (allemaal hier te lezen) afgenomen op 4 mei 2007. Tot nu dus Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, Mike Oldfield, allemaal 's morgens en Kate McCann 's middags.. De rest volgt nog. En natuurlijk zitten daar verschillen tussen ondanks dat er tussen hen is overlegd. IMO komt er alleen een doorbraak als Madeleine wordt gevonden (in welke staat dan ook...helaas), of dat er iemand een keer gaat praten. En verder misschien een onderzoek wat betreft het Madeleine-fonds in de UK, mogelijk wordt er fraude geconstateerd. Maar hoogst waarschijnlijk zal niets van dit alles gebeuren. Er staan teveel belangen op het spel, inclusief lui aan de top in Portugal. Waarom anders laat de PJ zo het hoofd hangen en werden in korte tijd veel mensen vervangen. Bovendien wist Amaral echt teveel, hij was niet langer te handhaven binnen de PJ en ook de UK wilde hem weg hebben, wat na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown 2 uur later ook gebeurde. Ik heb een vermoeden dat Amaral daar niet rouwig om was nu hij voluit de feiten heeft beschreven (en deels waren te lezen in Portugese kranten en ook hier geplaatst) en er mogelijk nog een vervolg komt. Zoals hij de wereld al liet weten, het is geen politiezaak maar een politieke zaak.
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En verder meldt Joana Morais:
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Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol

The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine’s biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24Horas Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine’s father, despite the fact that the couple has always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl’s paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter. The doubt about her paternity, according to 24Horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl’s disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24Horas confirms that “concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is”.source: SOL online, 27.08.2008
Dat is al langer onderwerp van discussie, vooral ook omdat de medische gegevens van Madeleine op verzoek van de PJ niet mochten worden ingezien. En natuurlijk die 81 pagina's uit de files, die via het hooggerechtshof aan de McCanns zijn gegeven en niemand anders krijgt te zien, inclusief dat gedoe dat Madeleine Ward of Court werd gemaakt, mogelijk al veel eerder zelfs, msschien al voor de vermissing. Laten wij ook niet vergeten dat de McCanns Madeleine wilde laten adopteren, of mogelijk bij familie wilde laten opgroeien.
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Opvallend wat een aantal Britse kranten groot publiceren: British girl is taken from her mother after abandonment in the Algarve - Sol Een triest verhaal: "The news arrived at the pages of English newspaper ‘Daily Telegraph’ today, which remembers that in May, three British children were temporarily removed from their parents, on holidays in the Algarve, after the latter fainted in the hotel." Iets wat jij ook laat zien qua nieuws van Anorak. Je zou je lunnen afvragen waarom er nu zo openhartig over deze zaken wordt gepublceerd, iets wat ik eerder schreef: over het vermoorde 4-jarige meisje Rose in Israel, waarom niet Madeleine+ouders onderzoeken qua achtergronden. Of zijn dit hints richting de McCanns, ze weten het allemaal wel maar middels andere drama's met kinderen laten ze zo de McCanns weten en de lezer dat er dingen gaande zijn die absoluut niet deugen....tenslotte mag er kennelijk niets ten nadele over de McCanns geschreven worden, dan maar zo middels andere iets gelijksoortige trieste verhalen????

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En dan nog even over die verklaringen van de McCanns + Janer Tanner en Mike Oldfield, ze verklaren gewoon die checks te hebben gedaan, hoe is dat dan te rijmen met de verklaring van buuv Mrs Fenn boven het apartement van de McCanns, uit het eindrapport van de PJ:
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On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own.
Bloody liars...
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Best handig om wat puntjes op een rij te lezen die ook en daar in dit topic zijn geplaatst, uit de Portugese krant, The Online Resident:
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MADELEINE FILES: Madeleine spent most days in Kids Club

CHILD CARERS working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz noticed that the McCann children spent the maximum time available in the care of the resort’s kids club according to police files released to the media surrounding the case.

The usual routine of Gerry and Kate McCann was to put the children in the nursery facility at about 9am and then pick them up between midday and 12.30pm to give the children lunch before bringing the children back at 3pm and returning at the end of the day between 5pm and 5.30pm.

Other children in the tapas nine party would not spend as much time away from their parents.

The other parents in the group, the files reveal, would normally leave their children with the baby sitting service only in the morning sessions.

The police files also gives details about Madeleine’s personality as described by her father, Gerry and those that spent time with Madeleine while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

Madeleine was described by Gerry as being an extrovert, very active and having happy relationships with other children.

She would never go with a stranger and he states clearly that she was not taking any medication.

In a statement made by one of the nannies working at the Ocean Club, Madeleine was described as being a calm, beautiful and happy child.

However, she was portrayed as being more shy than the other children at the kids club.

Meanwhile, reports in the British media have claimed that there is now less than 500,000 pounds sterling in the Find Madeleine fund.

The private investigation agency Oakley International has reportedly cost the fund half a million pounds sterling, despite not yielding any concrete results.

This had led to Brian Kennedy, the British double glazing tycoon who has donated large sums of money to the Find Madeleine campaign, voicing his dissatisfaction in the investigators.

A statement was issued on behalf of the McCanns on Tuesday countering the claims in the press concerning the status of the private investigators via the website www.findmadeleine.com.

“We appointed them (Oakley International) several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.”
Niet te geloven toch, hoeveel tijd, vooral de twins (toen 18 maanden), in die Kids Club hebben doorgebracht. Kinderen hebben rustpunten op een dag nodig, ook Madeleine van nog geen 4 jr. En vreemd dat idd er verschillende beschrijvingen zijn van Madeleine, van verlegen tot hyperactief. Interessanter zou zijn als er eens keer in Rothey navraag wordt gedaan hoe Madeleine echt was, bij de Nanny en op school, maar ja, verboden gebied.

En hoe de Britse pers de mond werd en wordt gesnoerd en hoe er ook aan wordt verdiend is te lezen op de site van Joana Morais: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Met een stukje van Joana Morais zelf, aka Xklamation:
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"Note: As an example of how hypocrite some media editors and directors are I'll leave you with my own personal experience. My.Telegraph Blog was censored, all posts and comments except one were sent into a status of permanent limbo since May 2008 - they were not deleted nor published - the administration team at my.telegraph never gave me any reason for the censorship of my blog posts - just imagine that all free blog platforms would have censors telling you what NOT to write about?! Where my posts against my.telegraph rules? No. They were translated articles about the McCann Case. See for yourself - the version containing all the blogs posts and the Censored Version.

Meanwhile we still want to believe that Great Britain has a free and democratic press....."
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  donderdag 28 augustus 2008 @ 12:49:46 #205
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Op woensdag 27 augustus 2008 20:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kahaarin! Leuk je weer te lezen! Hopelijk heb je een mooie vakantie gahad.
Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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Hernieuwd onderzoek? Nee joh, met name fora en bloggers publiceren nu de eerste verklaringen, (allemaal hier te lezen) afgenomen op 4 mei 2007. Tot nu dus Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, Mike Oldfield, allemaal 's morgens en Kate McCann 's middags.. De rest volgt nog. En natuurlijk zitten daar verschillen tussen ondanks dat er tussen hen is overlegd. IMO komt er alleen een doorbraak als Madeleine wordt gevonden (in welke staat dan ook...helaas), of dat er iemand een keer gaat praten. En verder misschien een onderzoek wat betreft het Madeleine-fonds in de UK, mogelijk wordt er fraude geconstateerd. Maar hoogst waarschijnlijk zal niets van dit alles gebeuren. Er staan teveel belangen op het spel, inclusief lui aan de top in Portugal. Waarom anders laat de PJ zo het hoofd hangen en werden in korte tijd veel mensen vervangen. Bovendien wist Amaral echt teveel, hij was niet langer te handhaven binnen de PJ en ook de UK wilde hem weg hebben, wat na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown 2 uur later ook gebeurde. Ik heb een vermoeden dat Amaral daar niet rouwig om was nu hij voluit de feiten heeft beschreven (en deels waren te lezen in Portugese kranten en ook hier geplaatst) en er mogelijk nog een vervolg komt. Zoals hij de wereld al liet weten, het is geen politiezaak maar een politieke zaak.
Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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Dat is al langer onderwerp van discussie, vooral ook omdat de medische gegevens van Madeleine op verzoek van de PJ niet mochten worden ingezien. En natuurlijk die 81 pagina's uit de files, die via het hooggerechtshof aan de McCanns zijn gegeven en niemand anders krijgt te zien, inclusief dat gedoe dat Madeleine Ward of Court werd gemaakt, mogelijk al veel eerder zelfs, msschien al voor de vermissing. Laten wij ook niet vergeten dat de McCanns Madeleine wilde laten adopteren, of mogelijk bij familie wilde laten opgroeien.
Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
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Opvallend wat een aantal Britse kranten groot publiceren: British girl is taken from her mother after abandonment in the Algarve - Sol Een triest verhaal: "The news arrived at the pages of English newspaper ‘Daily Telegraph’ today, which remembers that in May, three British children were temporarily removed from their parents, on holidays in the Algarve, after the latter fainted in the hotel." Iets wat jij ook laat zien qua nieuws van Anorak. Je zou je lunnen afvragen waarom er nu zo openhartig over deze zaken wordt gepublceerd, iets wat ik eerder schreef: over het vermoorde 4-jarige meisje Rose in Israel, waarom niet Madeleine+ouders onderzoeken qua achtergronden. Of zijn dit hints richting de McCanns, ze weten het allemaal wel maar middels andere drama's met kinderen laten ze zo de McCanns weten en de lezer dat er dingen gaande zijn die absoluut niet deugen....tenslotte mag er kennelijk niets ten nadele over de McCanns geschreven worden, dan maar zo middels andere iets gelijksoortige trieste verhalen????
Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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Madeleine McCann: Maddie For Rose Ron, Praia Da Luz Moves And Whacking Stephanie Bysh
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

THE SUN: “Hol mum of left girl faces jail”

To Portugal…

A BRITISH mum whose daughter was taken into care on holiday faces up to ten years in jail.

It’s “cash-strapped Stephanie Bysh”.

What do we know about here?

She a brunette. And, as reported, she and one Ariella D’Gamo were “sleeping on the streets before a friend took them in. The worried pal took the eight-year-old girl to cops in Lagos, Portugal. She is now staying at a children’s home.”

How does Madeleine McCann fit in?

Bysh fled the resort — near where Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 — but collapsed with kidney problems in Portimao 15 miles away.

That close, eh. Yesterday the incident was 25 miles from where our Maddie went missing. Such are the facts.

DAILY MAIL: “Fears the ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’ has been killed by her own mother and grandfather”

You mean Rose Ron’s grandfather who told police that he had killed the 4-year-old?

What more of their Maddie?

At its heart lies the bizarre love triangle in which little Rose’s grandfather fell in love with his son’s young bride and fathered two more daughters with her. Police say the grandfather has admitted killing the child and dumping her in a river, but no body has been found and there is no forensic evidence proving her death.

Just like our Maddie, then? It’s uncanny.

Ha’aretz (Israel): “’Sick twist’: World media plays up story of ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’”

Rose Ron is missing. She’s been given the nickname Maddie…
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Telefoonlijn voor Vermiste Kinderen
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RIJSWIJK - Via het nieuwe landelijke telefoonnummer 116000 kunnen vooral buitenlandse ouders vanaf maandagmiddag 12.00 uur de vermissing of ontvoering van hun kind melden. Via dat nummer kunnen ze de hulp inroepen van de politie, het Rode Kruis of het Centrum Internationale Kinderontvoering (Centrum IKO).

Volgens directeur Els Prins van Centrum IKO is het nummer vooral handig voor buitenlandse ouders omdat die het alarmnummer 112 van de politie niet kennen. Medewerkers van Centrum IKO bemannen de lijn tussen 09.00 en 22.00 uur. In de tussentijd is er een Engelstalig voicemailbericht te horen met andere telefoonummers.

Het nummer is een initiatief van de Europese Commissie. Centrum IKO beheert de lijn en medewerkers schakelen door naar de politie als het vermoeden bestaat dat het kind is ontvoerd. Het Rode Kruis komt in beeld als een kind wordt vermist. Als blijkt dat een kind door een van de ouders of familieleden is meegenomen naar het buitenland, dan komt Centrum IKO in actie. Het onderzoekt dan de mogelijkheden om het kind terug te krijgen.

Behalve in Nederland is het nummer vooralsnog alleen te bereiken in Griekenland en Tsjechië. Prins hoopt dat het aantal landen snel wordt uitgebreid. Het Rode Kruis opent zaterdag een Europese database voor het terugvinden van vermisten. De organisatie doet dat op de Internationale Dag van de Vermisten die zaterdag wordt gehouden. In de database worden namen opgenomen en met elkaar vergeleken.

Het Rode Kruis krijgt elk jaar honderden verzoeken van mensen die familieleden kwijt zijn door natuurgeweld of conflicten. Vorig jaar waren dat er ongeveer 850. Tot nu toe benaderde het Rode Kruis medewerkers in landen waar de vermisten zich zouden bevinden. telegraaf.nl
Let wel, dit is dus niet het Amber Alert Systeem van de McCanns maar is al in febr 2007 in gang gezet, zie eerdere post.

(ik zie net je post Kahaarin. ff lezen )

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 12:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
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Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...

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Amaral's boek te krijgen in de UK! Blimey, gebruikt Clarence Mitchell soms software voor veel gebruikte standaard woorden of zo. Alweer staat er in onderstaand artikel, outrage en fresh heartache Boring Mitchell...Ik dacht eerder dat bij de zak had gekregen aangezien berichten over die good-for-nothing PI's niet van hem kwamen en de McCanns dat enigszins terugdraaide op hun eigen site, heel ongebruikelijk, kennelijk is het tussen hem en geldverstrekkerd Brian Kennediy en ook de McCanns weer bijgelegd...Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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Maddie: Outrage at book Daily Star (no online link, appears in paper edition only)

Cop accuses McCanns

By Jerry Lawton 28 August 2008
Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh heartache last night as a best-seller on the case hit Britain. Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers. Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files.

One shows Kate and Gerry, both 40, and their holiday pals giving information about Madeleine at the scene just hours after she vanished. The police chief criticises the McCanns, their friends, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Leicestershire Police.

Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This account has gross inaccuracies and is grossly defamatory. "The conclusions are entirely false. They suggest Kate and Gerry were involved in the death, accidental or otherwise, of Madeleine and covered it up."

He added: "Mr Amaral and his publishers should not mistake a lack of action yet for any lack of long-term action. "He is presented as a world-class Madeleine expert but what does he know?


"Do you know how many times he interviewed Kate and Gerry when he was on the case - not once!" Madeleine, now five, vanished from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year ago last May.
Gaan we weer dreigen Mitchell??? Ik heb al gelezen dat Amaral zichzelf ernstig moet beschermen. En oh wat is het team McCann bang voor de files die straks voor iedereen zijn te lezen en Amaral's boek. En dat Amaral niet zelf de verhoren heeft afgenomen is als leider van het onderzoek niet zo vreemd, daar is personeel voor. Bovendien, Kate McCann weigerde iig een zooi vragen te beantwoorden, so...what's to know anyway... En natuurlijk weet Amaral alles en méér, waarom anders wilde Gordon Brown hem weg hebben? They are so scared, this McCann-clan... Let's have your second book Amaral...

Oja...nog even dit, wat zei Amaral ook alweer: 'Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

Focus – Are you going to sue the McCanns?

G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.'

IMO zullen de McCanns Amaral niet zo snel aanklagen, dan moeten ze nl bewijzen dat hij liegt...oeps.

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Nige van mccannfiles heeft een staatje gemaakt nav de eerste verklaringen (dd 4-5-2007) van Kate en Gerry McCann:
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Madeleine's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about Madeleine's movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation for Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 Gerry takes Madeleine to the Kids Club (Jane Tanner reports that Kate was at the tennis courts during this time with Dianne Webster)
09:30 - 12:30 Kids Club activities
12:30 - 13:30 Collected by parents for lunch in the apartment
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with parents (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 17:00 Return to Kids Club
17:00 - 17:30 Kids Club teatime, at the Tapas restaurant/bar, under the parents supervision. Based on current statements, it is unclear who collected Madeleine. Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging on the beach at 17:15.
17:30 - 19:30 The usual routine suggests that Madeleine was allowed to play in the playground area beside the tennis courts, just outside the Tapas bar, under her parents supervision. Tired out, she would then be bathed and made ready for bed. We don't know if that happened on 03 May. But we do know, from CCTV evidence, that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May and that neither the McCanns, nor their children were there.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and seen Madeleine in her pyjamas ready for bed. However, this crucial incident is not mentioned at all by Payne in his first police interview. Neither is it mentioned by anyone else, in the statements we've seen so far.
19:30 - 20:00 Put to bed, with Kate and Gerry waiting until 20:30 before leaving for tapas restaurant and bar
21:05 - 21:15 Observed to be asleep by Gerry McCann
22:00 - 22:30 Reported missing by Kate McCann

Kate McCann's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about their movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation of children for the Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 According to Jane Tanner, Kate arrives at the tennis courts at 09:00, with Dianne Webster, and waits for Tanner to finish her lesson at 09:30
09:30 - 10:00 Kate has tennis lesson, with Tanner observing
10:00 - 12:30 ???
12:30 - 13:30 According to the usual routine, the children are collected for lunch back in the apartment - it is not specified who collected them on 03 May.
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with the children (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 15:45 ??? - possibly preparing for/playing tennis with Gerry (see next entry)
15:45 - 17:15 Observed by Jane Tanner to be playing tennis with Gerry at 15:45 - this is not mentioned by either Kate or Gerry in their statements, so it remains unclear when they started and finished.
17:15 - 17:30 Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging alone on the beach at 17:15. This was the Kids Club teatime.
17:30 - 19:30 ??? - We know from CCTV evidence that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May. Neither the McCanns, nor their children were there. In addition, neither Kate nor Gerry offer any clarity on their whereabouts beyond stating that the usual routine was for the children to play for a while in the playground beside the Tapas bar before being bathed and prepared for bed.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and found her dressed only in a bath towel. This incident is not mentioned by either Kate or Payne in their first police interviews.
19:30 - 20:30 The children put to bed. Kate and Gerry stay in their apartment to relax until 20:30. Kate took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with Gerry.
20:30 - 22:00 At the Tapas bar/restaurant (Meal served at 21:00 according to Tanner)
22:00 - 22:30 Undertakes 'check' on Madeleine and reports her missing
Op FOK!:
Snipper uit de verklaring van Gerry McCann op 4-5-2007
Verklaring van Kate McCann op 4-5-2007
Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com
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David Payne's interview on 04 May 2007
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David Payne's statements were taken the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007 at 14h45. As with all the others, David Payne was accompanied by a, "sworn," interpreter, A. Francisco M. The statement was recorded by inspector Patricia D.

The words at the beginning of an interview are invariably the same. They are mandatory type words. They form the legal basis of the document. Recited often, they are like:

"We, Patricia D., police inspector, in the service of the PJ, Portimao Section, note:"

On the subject we are recording it is shown:

That the interviewee made this statement voluntarily. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: Scarlett and Lily), Russell and Jane (children: Evie and Ella), Matthew and Rachael (child: Grace), Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).

That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip.

Concerning the days spent in Portugal, the interviewee describes them as being all very much the same. He states that his family, composed of his mother-in-law Diane, his wife Fiona and their two children, spent their days more independently than other members of the group. They were most often with the couple Russell and Jane.

Concerning the remaining membes of the group, normally they got up and went for breakfast at the, "Millennium," restaurant, after which they left their children at the Kids Club and the adults went to do sports inside the tourist complex or they went to the beach. The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 20h45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed. During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 22h00, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.

That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom occupied by the children but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window.

In answer to our question, the interviewee doesn't know how many times Madeleine left the tourist complex, but he knows she went, at least once, to the beach. That during the holiday, he saw nothing abnormal concerning the couple Gerry and Kate, neither with their children nor, notably, with Madeleine. In the context of the group, he noticed nothing abnormal. That during the whole holiday, and particularly during the day and the night yesterday, nothing unusual happened in the tourist complex, which attracted his attention, or which could be correlated with Madeleine's disappearance.

He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved. Madeleine's parents are very sociable people, known by lots of people, kind and affectionate. Madeleine is indeed the daughter of both of the couple. She was wanted and is the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation. There was no difference in treatment between Madeleine and the twins. He doesn't know if Madeleine suffers from any illness, nor if she is on medication. He has nothing more to say that could help the progress of the investigation.
Ongelofelijk hoe deze verklaringen zo erg op elkaar lijken, IMO is daar goed overleg over geweest....Ook David Payne (net als Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield eerder) maakt geen melding van het feit dat hij op 3 mei Madeleine fysiek heeft gezien, iets wat wel door Gerry McCann is verklaard n de BBC-docu: "At 6.30 Gerry McCann asks a friend, David Payne, to pop in on Kate to see if the children are coming down. He goes to the flat, he says all is well, but the children are too tired and are already in their pyjamas." En ook in de Daily Mail: "The source said: "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. "He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. "I expect it was said [by Gerry] as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'."

En verder beschrijft Amaral in zijn boek een nogal pijnlijke scène waarbij David Payne (tijdens een eerdere vakantie) tegen Gerry MacCann een nogal sexueel getint gebaar maakt mbt tot Madeleine. Waargenomen door 2 bevriende dokters.

Op FOK!:
Verklaring van Jane Tanner op 4-5-2007
Verklaring van Mike Odfield op 4-5-2007
Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com

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  vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 11:51:51 #210
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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 13:21 schreef Suko het volgende:

Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...
Goedemorgen!

Wishfull thinking ftw!

De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
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OAP believes Bankies can help find Maddie
By Julie Gilbert
Print Article A PENSIONER is hoping he can inspire divine intervention in the case of Madeleine McCann — via an appeal in the Clydebank Post.

Robert Darroch, 75, has made several appeals in the Post’s letters page over the past 20-years asking readers to pray for people missing or being held captive.

And miraculously, or coincidentally, soon after publication there have been some very positive outcomes.

Remembering these past successes, Robert is now asking Bankies to spare a thought and a prayer for Madeleine in the hope the pattern continues.

Robert told the Post: “Over a period of four years in the late eighties and early nineties I regularly asked the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer for Terry Waite, held captive in Lebanon, and other captives in letters to the Post.

“Almost every time my letter was published the captives were freed.

“For example on February 21, 1991, I predicted, regarding hostages, that ‘the bumper harvest will come this year’ at a prayer meeting in St Stephen’s Church in Dalmuir.

“On August 8 I repeated the prediction in the Clydebank Post.

“Between August and December eight captives, including Terry Waite, were freed during harvest months.”

Robert believes strongly in the power of prayer and travels around churches in Britain praying and encouraging others to pray for good causes and for peace.

The Parkhall man said: “I go to different churches every Sunday. I’m a Catholic myself but I’ve been to two thousand two hundred churches covering fifty denominations in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. My record is attending seven services on the same day in Clydebank. I am trying to break down sectarian barriers.”

Robert has been travelling around churches sending out appeals for 27 years.

He has had similar success sending out appeals in newspapers in other parts of Britain.

He said: “In the early nineties I went to six services in Enniskillen in Northern Ireland and silently prayed for peace. The local newspaper interviewed me and I said I predict there will be movement towards peace before a year. That year the IRA called a ceasefire.

“There’s no halo above my head but there are times when I suspect that somebody up there either likes me or is getting me mixed up with somebody else.”

Readers will be very aware Robert’s hopes and prayers for Madeleine McCann have not been successful to date, and that is why he appealing in the Post. He said: “I want to see if the same thing happens as before. Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response.

“May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found.”
Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
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  vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 21:34:21 #211
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Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen!

Wishfull thinking ftw!

De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
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Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...

En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 21:34 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 12:33:55 #213
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Als ik het zo lees moet het voor de kinderen geen leuke vakantie zijn geweest. Ik ben net een weekje weggeweest met mijn kinderen (6 en 4 jaar) en daar was ook zo'n kinderanimatieteam. Mijn kinderen vind dat dus echt niet leuk. Ze hebben 1x een half uurtje meegedaan met de knutselclub onder voorwaarde dat ik er bij bleef en mijn zoontje heeft 1x meegedaan met de voetbalwedstrijd, maar toen moesten we natuurlijk ook wel blijven om te kijken. Verder wilden ze niks weten van het speciale kinderprogramma. Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat het bij die Mark Warnerclubs een stuk professioneler en leuker was, maar ik kan het me haast niet voorstellen.
Echt triest om te lezen dat de kinderen zo op de tweede plaats terechtkwamen. En ook nergens voor nodig. Met zoveel volwassenen kun je het best regelen dat zowel de ouders als de kinderen aan hun trekken komen tijdens de vakantie.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...

Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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Fiona Payne's interview on 04 May 2007

Fiona's interview was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

On the subject in hand we note that:

The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine. She is married to David who is also on the trip. She has known the child's parents for around seven years. She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David. The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years. The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old. The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.

They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus. After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

The routines

Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 08h15/08h30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections. In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment. At around 15h30/16h00, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 18h00/19h00. Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.

Dinner

During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom. Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 15h45 and came back around 18h15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 19h00. Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 20h00. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 20h45, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. The McCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, left the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok. During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep. Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add. After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.
Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

De eerdere verklaringen zijn op mccannfiles terug te lezen.

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Oh oh, dit commentaar in The Guardian is hilarisch! Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier Irish Independent
By John Boland Saturday August 30 2008
Extract from TV review column:

(...) Then I switched channels.

I should have done the same with Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier (TV3), though I stayed with it because: a) a home-made documentary from TV3 is a rare sighting and b) it was so boring and meaningless that I was too numbed to reach for the remote.

At the outset, writer-producer Jerome Hughes promised revelations about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who, according to the solemn-toned narrator, was "the most recognised missing person in the world". Well, least recognised, I'd say, given that nobody has yet found her. But let that pass because apparently TV3 was about to give us the lowdown on the "secret files" compiled by the Portuguese police.

These files, in fact, are now in the public domain, but let that pass, too, because TV3 assured us that it was about to reveal sensational new information. Except, of course, that there was nothing of the remotest interest to reveal, and so the filmmakers resorted instead to trawling through footage we'd all seen and heard a zillion times before during the relentless media coverage of this case.

To pad matters out even further, the makers enlisted a couple of Irish experts, including retired garda Michael Kirwan, whose specialist subject, in the words of Basil Fawlty, was the bleeding obvious. "Every sighting has to be checked," Michael informed us. "There's a possibility," he later told us, "that the kidnappers panicked and killed the wee child." Gosh, I hadn't thought of that one. At the end the narrator conceded that "we still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann, why she disappeared or where she is now". But he didn't tell us why TV3 thought this worthy of an hour-long programme.
Well well, why don't you read some fora and blogs on the internet M. John Boland, besides that, these files are in the public domain soon, very soon... Also, one or more of your colleges of The Guardian are in the possession of all these files, on dvd, you can ask if you can see them Mr. John Boland. But you won't do you...

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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:11:34 #216
145755 kahaarin
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 22:12 schreef Suko het volgende:

Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...
Hey hoi hallo!
Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen.

Ik begin ook steeds meer te vermoeden dat het een cover up is voor een ongeluk, er is gewoon te veel verklaard dat niet klopt met de feiten. hoe dan ook er wordt gelogen, gedraaid en gespind....
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Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
Hey Tmaatje, bij BOL.COM staat hij nog niet, ook niet bij verwachtte boeken, ik houd het ook in de gaten.
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Madeleine McCann: Stephanie Bysh And Ariella Encroach On Praia Da Luz
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

STEPHANIE Bysh is mother to Ariella d’Gama, who has passed a while in a children’s home.

What has it got to do with Madeleine McCann. Well, get this:

DAILY MAIL: “British mother whose daughter was taken into care by Portuguese police after she ‘went out drinking’”

A British man told police that her mother Stephanie Bysh, 44, had been ‘drinking heavily’… The town is five miles from Praia da Luz, where missing toddler Madeleine McCann disappeared in May last year from a rented apartment.

Yes, just five miles.

Yesterday, it was all just 15 miles from where our Maddie went missing.

The day before that it was all occuring 25 miles from Praia da Luz.

Anorak estimates that inside week, little Ariella will be actually inside the apartment used by the McCanns that fateful trip…

Such are the facts…
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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:18:47 #217
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 13:22 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...
Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:

Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:11 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hey hoi hallo!
Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen. [quote]Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty." Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
Ha ha, ja dat artikel/commentaar op Anorak is inderdaad geweldig, één van de betere imo. Mooi dat jij ook uitkijkt of het boek van Amaral hier uitkomt!

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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 23:56:01 #219
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 22:56 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. [b]They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty."[/b] Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
Hoooooi Voyeur , ik geloof dat veel mensen deze zaak nog wel in 't hoofd hebben...zolang er over wordt gepubliceerd (alleen in de Portugese pers), zoals de eerste verklaringen de dag na de vermissing en de reacties daarop op voornamelijk op fora en blogs, tot zolang zal het nog wel actueel blijven. Team McCann heeft niet zoveel te melden, alleen wat loze dreigementjes richting Amaral, wiens boek nu idd in Londen te koop is. "Mr Amaral's concise testimony is simply written and crystal clear. You'll be pleased to know it's reached London distributors." Bron Ze gaan hem echt niet aanklagen, dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er in dat boek niet klopt...

Wat die foto's betreft zoals Bridget O'Donnel beschrijft, ik weet niet of die echt bestaan omdat er twijfel is dat of zij op die middag van 3 mei daadwerkelijk de McCanns bij het zwembad heeft gesproken, you know, er moeten statements (bewijzen) worden verzameld omdat men nog steeds met de vraag zat en zit van die missing 6 of 7 uren voor de vermissing. Gerry en Kate melden in de eerste verklaringen niets over deze Bridget, ook niet dat David Payne even binnenwipte bij Kate. De rest van die Tapasvrienden beschrijven ook geen fsyieke aanwezigheid van Madeleine op die dag. En nanny Charlotte Pennington heeft in het stof moeten bijten, ze beweerde eerst: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents."It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all." Daily Mail op 25 September 2007 Maar dat was nadat kranten begonnen te schrijven dat niemand Madeleine die middag had gezien.

Maaaaaar, schrijft Nige op z'n site: "Of course, Pennington subsequently destroyed this story on the Dispatches programme, that was aired on Channel 4 on 18 October 2007, when she admitted that she hadn't seen Madeleine or the McCanns after lunchtime on 03 May 2007. So, what happens? On the very day the Dispatches programme was aired, for which the McCanns would almost certainly have had a pre-screening, the Daily Mail reveals exclusively that Gerry had asked David Payne to pop by the apartment and check on Kate.

The 'source' told the Mail, "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. I expect it was said (by Gerry) as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'.The 'missing 7 hours' that Pennington had just blown a huge hole in was instantly filled in again!"

Link naar het transscript: Channel 4: Dispatches 'Searching For Madeleine' De video's van dit programma zijn vanzelfsprekend niet meer te zien....Man man, wat een ge-etter om maar te proberen te verklaren dat Madeleine wel is gezien, door David Payne, omdat Pennigton's verhaal in elkaar klapte.... En zo heb ik meerdere tegenstrijdigheden gelezen maar het voert te ver deze allemaal op te sommen...

The Times schrijft, September 29, 2007: "The respected Diario de Noticias newspaper said that officers believed that Mrs McCann accidentally killed Madeleine while her husband was playing tennis. The child’s body then “passed through various locations” before going into the boot of the car hired by her parents 25 days later, it reported. As a result, detectives want to inspect fridges at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying with a group of seven British adults."

Opvallend is dat Amaral dit scenario in The Times, veel later, zo ongeveer in z'n boek beschrijft, behalve dat Madeleine mogelijk een tijd in een leeg huizenblok verbleef, na wat omzwerfingen. Ze waren met het onderzoek best al ver gekomen ondanks de tegenwerking maar toen werd alles gestopt en Amaral van de zaak gehaald.

Interessante observatie, naar aanleiding van het volgende artikel: Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol
Re: The paternity question
En een nogal boze maar toch begrijpelijke reactie: 29/08/08 Maddie Predators v. Money Predators

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Ik las net een nogal ontluisterend en zéér lezenswaardig artikel van George Moréas, een Frans schrijver en voormalig Judiciary Police Inspector, er staat één foutje in, Brian Kennedy is geen Amerikaan maar uit de UK, uit Edinburgh:
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30/08/08 The Mysterious Disappearance of Madeleine McCann by Georges Moréas
POLICEtcetera
Le blog de Georges Moréas (French)

George Moréas is an acclaimed book author and former French Judiciary Police Inspector

Translated to English by AnnaEsse from News From My Big Desk
Spanish Translation by Mercedes from Hasta que se Sepa La Verdad

The mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann, called Maddie, was nearly four years old. On the evening of May 3rd 2007, she disappeared from her bedroom in a luxury tourist complex, the Ocean Club, in the south of Portugal, where she was supposed to have been sleeping.

No one knows what has become of her since. Recently, the press echoed a statement from the Portuguese prosecutor: case closed. This news is probably unfounded. How can a magistrate, a police officer, allow the closing of a case without thinking of the victim, a child, almost a baby. And if she were alive!...The confusion comes, no doubt, from the order that there were no grounds to prosecute the three suspects.

THE FACTS: The Ocean Club tourist complex is a collection of buildings comprising a residential block, two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millennium, tennis courts, beach, etc.

On this evening, the McCanns are dining with their friends at the Tapas restaurant. At around 10pm, Kate McCann gets up from the table to go and see her children, as she usually does, to reassure herself that everything is fine. Her two little ones, the twins, are sound asleep, in their cots, in the living room*. Her daughter's bedroom door is not closed, which surprises her. She goes in: the window is open, the shutters are raised, Maddie has disappeared. (*It does say, "salon, and appears to be saying that Madeleine is in a different room from the twins. I have translated as it stands. )

She rushes back to the restaurant to alert her husband. Together they go back to the apartment, accompanied by their friends, and they only arrive at the obvious. So, they set out to explore the surrounding area.

This is the situation discovered by the first police officers on the spot. Everything leads them to believe that the child has run off. She may not be far away. Searches are organised.

Shortly afterward, the PJ director for Lisbon, receives a call on his mobile phone from the British ambassador. His caller asks him if he is aware that a British child has disappeared.....He goes into action. You can imagine the torrent of phone calls that follows this intervention.

THE INITIAL FINDINGS: There is no disorder in the bedroom where the child was sleeping. The bed is not disturbed. There is no evidence of a break-in, neither on the window, nor on the shutters, nor on the door. A local enquiry turns up witnesses, Irish holiday-makers, who say that shortly after 10 o'clock, they saw a man carrying a child, whose description corresponds perfectly to Madeleine's: face, hair, clothes. Now there is hardly any doubt: this is an abduction. The alert is put out.

THE PJ'S INVESTIGATION: The PJ officers collect witness statements from hundreds of people, and as a priority, from the parents and their friends. Very quickly, they come across certain contradictions between them. For example, a woman states that she went past the apartment earlier in the evening and noticed that the bedroom shutters were closed. But, Kate McCann states the window was open and the shutters pushed up. And the investigators find no evidence of tampering.

Furthermore, the shutters can only be opened from the inside. Can you imagine an individual entering by the door, using a pick lock, and going out through through the window, with his victim, after having opened the shutters? And also, the child's bed is not disturbed, as though no one has slept in it. Intrigued, the police officers examine the mobile phones of each of the McCanns: the call history has been erased. Astonishing to think of emptying the memory of your mobile phone when your child has just been kidnapped! But the PJ officers are struggling to do their job. The pressure quickly becomes unbearable.

Little Maddie disappeared on the Thursday evening. On the Friday, the British ambassador, John Buck, is on the spot, accompanied by big-shot police officers and lawyers. And on the Saturday, three British police officers arrive in their turn, in theory to assist their Portuguese colleagues. The contact is not good. The local police officers feel belittled. However, having been involved with the training of Portuguese police officers, I can guarantee that they have no reason to envy either the French or the British - except perhaps certain technical resources.

The working conditions are as follows: 150 Portuguese police officers, three British police officers, authorities, diplomats, and journalists...everywhere. Not the ideal for an investigation. On the Saturday, the PJ director from Faro, tells the press: "It is an abduction." At the same time the McCann couple launch their desperate appeal before the television cameras. It is even said that the police are holding a sketch of the kidnapper, but it will not be published to avoid putting the child's life at risk. A little late, no, to think of the young victim!

During this political, media-staged bustling, the head of the investigation, Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral begins to entertain another possibility. He thinks the McCanns' behaviour is not, "natural." Otherwise, why refuse to participate in a reconstruction of the evening? He finds that certain witness statements do not correspond and that it is becoming impossible to determine where anyone was at any time. Thus, an implausible detail emerges when the Irish witness indicates that after seeing Gerry McCann on television, he positively identified him: this was the man he saw with Maddie in his arms, on the Thursday, at around 10pm. Yes, but at that time, the child's father was in the restaurant with his friends...

Amaral is skeptical. He feels that there is a certain degree of connivance amongst this group of friends. Would they be lying? He goes back to the initial findings and he examines the places from a different angle - as he would do it for a crime scene. The little girl's death becomes the working hypothesis for the investigators.

EVIDENCE OR PRESUMPTIONS: A suspect is arrested. He is a British national living a hundred metres from the leisure centre. I will not give his name as he has taken action against newspapers which said, "certain things," about him, and the press barons backed down. It is said that he banked 750,000¤.

Meanwhile, dogs trained to detect certain odours, notably those of blood or cadavers, are brought in. They detect traces inside the apartment, in the couple's bedroom and in the dining room; as well as outside the building. More disquieting, the dogs alert on the child's soft toy and on clothes belonging to her mother. The dogs are placed near a car rented by theMcCanns , and they sniff suspicious odours there too. But this vehicle was actually hired after the little girl's disappearance! On the other hand, the dogs detect nothing, either in the car of the British man under investigation, or at his home.

The vice tightens on the McCanns.

In the places marked by the dogs, minute organic fragments are gathered for DNA comparison with Madeleine's (from samples of saliva on her bed covers). The analyses are done in Great Britain. When the results come out, there is no longer any doubt: There are 15 identical markers in the two DNAs. It is the little girl.

At the beginning of September, the McCann couple are placed under investigation, but left at liberty. The press reports that they are suspected of having concealed their daughter's body after an accidental death - there is talk of the administration of a sedative that was too powerful (the parents are both doctors) - and that they would have got rid of it afterward by transporting it in a vehicle rented for that purpose.

Meanwhile, this case has taken on an international dimension. The McCanns have called the English Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the investigation is followed more closely by the governments of both countries. The press is unleashed. The parents set themselves up as the victims of a bigoted, even backward, police force. The British newspapers really lay into the investigators, who are looking at the parents instead of searching for the missing child. The English police officers, who are involved with the investigation (and who, in theory, have no power to intervene) do nothing to put things right. The public is gripped by this mysterious story - charged with emotion. A support fund is set up. Brian Kennedy, an American Millionaire offers his services.

He takes on the costs of the lawyers and the private investigators. It's even said that he goes to meet some of the witnesses. Does that have anything to do with the fact that afterwards most of them refused to go back and participate in a reconstruction? The atypical Virgin boss also puts his hand in his pocket. It is interesting to note that all this energy, all this money, is essentially used to defend the suspects.

New DNA research is carried out by the forensic laboratories in Birmingham, taking the opposite view to the first evaluation. It is said that the samples harvested (by the Portuguese police) were allegedly mixed...

Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral requests another other evaluation. Impossible, the English tell him, the samples have been destroyed, or lost, we don't exactly know, by the laboratory. Amaral can't take any more. All this hooha , this persistent pressure from the bosses, political authorities, the media, is preventing him from working properly. He is taken to task, criticised, watched closely...Even his British colleagues are causing trouble for him. Exasperated, he lets go in the press. It is a mistake, because his bosses jump at the chance. He is transferred.

Gonçalo Amaral has written a book, "The Truth of the Lie," which is out now in Portugal. Bet there will be some interesting details in it. At least if it is translated into French. Will the press, already scalded by this case, pick up on it? Not certain! The McCanns have clearly implied that their lawyers were ready to take action.

To go back to the DNA, in France, unless I am mistaken, 13 identical markers between two DNA profiles, is sufficient in law. So, if the events had taken place here, first of all the evaluation would not have been done in Great Britain, but in a French laboratory, and then the McCanns would have been placed under investigation and most certainly placed in preventive detention - and only the judge would have been able to decided on a second evaluation.

Which goes to show that scientific evidence, even the most sophisticated, doesn't depend on a mathematical formula, but on human judgement.

THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARENTS: I must say that the behaviour of the McCanns compared to that of other parents placed in such a painful situation is....different. From the start, they looked down on the Portuguese police officers. They lied on certain points and right away, they looked for support from their country's authorities. As if they felt threatened! Were they caught up in the media machine? The support fund which they set up (and which can be found on Google's business pages) collected around 1.5 million euros. However, one of the first expenses incurred by that fund was to make two monthly payments concerning the purchase of their house. It is said that 600,000 euros was paid out to settle the fees of private detectives, who turned out to be crooks. One of them even stated that he had infiltrated a Belgian paedophile network... In their defence, they have guaranteed that they have not used that money to pay the fees of the lawyers who are covering their defence.

These folks have mobilised around themselves so many people, so many of the smart set we might say, from politics and business.....that we can only wonder. Are they part of a network? Of a lodge? Of a sect? Of a clan?....

THE STATE OF THE INVESTIGATION: The McCann couple not having requested the continuation of the investigation, it is officially over. As things stand, there is a 4 year-old kid, probably dead; and three suspects who have been let off. One, the neighbour, suspected because of his past, but against whom there seems to be no evidence; and the parents...

There is evidence that they lied in their first statements to the police, notably about how they spent their time, apparently in connivance with their friends. They couldn't explain the presence of traces of blood or cadaver odour, particularly in the vehicle they had hired, three weeks after the events. Even if in law the second DNA evaluation negates the first, it is not entirely convincing. The experts are happy to conclude that they cannot use the gathered samples they were sent, because they were contaminated. And even if we consider that the two evaluations were contradictory, which one should we believe? The destruction of the samples makes any confirmation impossible.

And after this hullabaloo, Maddie joins the long list of missing children.



CONCLUSION: Everyone can think what they like, but Portuguese law considers that there is no charge against anyone, not any proof, not any evidence. They have, "archived," the case, as they say there.

It is astonishing. But I believe it's a good way to start over in a more calm way. In fact, nothing is stopping the investigators from, "discreetly," continuing their investigations. Portuguese procedure allows the reopening of the case at any moment, if someone brings a new element to it.

What is striking in this case, is that there is a lot of talk about money and very little about the young victim. Finally, one of the suspects pocketed 750,000 ¤ handed over by certain newspapers to avoid action for defamation, and the other two, the parents, have collected 1.5 million euros in a support fund. Not to mention the money spent by wealthy patrons. As for the Portuguese police officers, they were ridiculed.

It must stick in their throats... I'll bet they are not ready to forget it. by Joana Morais
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  maandag 1 september 2008 @ 12:20:55 #222
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Goedemiddag!

Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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Exclusive: Portuguese police turned down British help to find Maddy
By Jon Clements Crime Correspondent 1/09/2008



Maddy McCann's parents
Portuguese police turned down an offer to help find Madeleine McCann from Britain's most senior murder investigator, it has emerged.

Durham Chief Constable John Stoddart wanted to send a team of elite detectives to Praia da Luz after she went missing in 2007.

But Stoddart, chair of the Association of Chief Police Officers' Homicide Working Group, was "disappointed" when the Policia Judiciaria vetoed the idea.

He said: "I would like to have sent a team out there to provide some support to the investigation team.

"I'm disappointed that we couldn't help out. I think we would have provided some expert advice and support."

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is not surprising. However, our own investigations continue and we are following up several leads."
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Op maandag 1 september 2008 12:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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Goeiemiddag Kahaarin en meelezers. Ach ja, de Britse media weigeren in de files te duiken en te distilleren wat er allemall niet klopt, lijkt Rusland wel! En idd wat een l*lbericht in The Mirror, vooral als men beseft dat men helemaal niet gericht was én is naar het zoeken van Madeleine, zij moet vooral niet gevonden worden...imo, de restanten, sorry dat dit hard overkomt maar dat is zelfs wat de PJ denkt/meent. What a scam...

Op de site van Joana Morais staat nu een filmpje over dat fonds, dat wisten we al wel natuurlijk maar nuttig omdat toch weer even te zien....01/09/08 Filmpje duurt 4 min. 12 Het fonds werd op 15 mei 2007 geregistreerd, maar het opzetten van de website werd al op 6 mei, nog geen 3 dagen na de vermissing, in gang gezet: "On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as xxx.bringmadeleinehome.com." Bron Ipv www heb ik kruisjes neergezet, ik promoot geen bezoekersaantallen naar hun site...

En hoe de site ook alweer werd opgezet: 'Sol then spoke to Callum McRae who set up and admisnisters the website. "On the findmadeleine.com site there is an online store, where Gerry and Kate sell yellow rubber bracelets and textile bands, to help finance the cause. Callum McRae, the author of the site, says it was the couple’s idea. Speaking to SOL, McRae explains that the child’s aunt, Philomena McCann, asked him to create the internet page, just two days after the girl went missing. “She knew exactly what she wanted”, says Callum McRae, who created the contents in just one day.The McCann’s internet page also publicizes several fundraising events, all taking place in the UK, and some planned over 60 days ahead. To SOL, McRae, who was a student of Madeleine’s aunt in highschool, did not want to specify whether his work on the site is paid by the fund or not: “I’m not authorized to speak about that”. Bron

IMO, dan heb je ook geen plannen Madeleine te zoeken als je zelfs een soort winkeltje op de site zet, binnen een paar dagen ná de vermissing...

En verder: "According to an official of the Portuguese editor "Guerra e Paz", the book Gonçalo Amaral, the former head of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, will be published in Italian and Dutch." http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/

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Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
Hoi Livelink, dat is ook één van de pijnlijke kwesties hieromtrent, naast natuurlijk de dood (IMO) van Madeleine, vanaf het begin waren mensen van hogerop er bij betrokken. Het voert te ver dat allemaal weer op te sommen maar de banden van Gerry McCann met de Britse overheid zijn stevig, bevriend met de broer van Gordon Brown, Andrew Brown. The Times: "Gordon Brown's younger brother Andrew is director of communications for the French power group in the UK. > EDF has been at the forefront of campaigning for new nuclear stations." En die broer heeft ook warme banden met de BBC en dus vermoederlijk ook met Clarence Mithell, ook voorheen BBC-journo. Gerry zelf was een verwoed Labour campaigner en hij heeft een medisch advies-functie voor de Britse overheid bij Comare (banden met EDF, dus Andew Brown).

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En dan nu de eerste verklaring van Tapasvriendin Rachel Oldfield, de echtgenote van Mike Oldfield. dd 4-5-2007 en wel 's avonds om 19h20. < Handig voor overleg met manlief die 's morgens om 11h30 een verklaring mocht afleggen. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com, waar alle verklaringen zijn te vinden en up to date gehouden naarmate er meer verklaringen uit het Portugees worden vertaald en gepubliceerd:
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Rachael Oldfield's interview on 04 May 2007

Interview with Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly (Oldfield).

On the subject we note that.

Being a British citizen and not understanding the Portuguese language, in spoken or written form, the undersigned was accompanied by a sworn translator: Filipa M.C.S. The interview begins at 19h20 on May 4th 2007.

Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They traveled from London to Faro airport with their daughter Grace, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:

* The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, Ella aged three and a half and Evie aged 19 months.
* David and Fiona Payne with their daughters Lily aged three years and Scarlett aged 12 months.
* Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years.

Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.

The holiday was organised because the men in the group are all doctors, apart from Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.

The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus. There were other people on the bus apart from the group. They were put up at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The couples had their own, individual apartments, at the same complex, with their respective children. Since their arrival until yesterday evening, when Madeleine disappeared, the days have all been the same.

After breakfast, taken between 08h00 and 09h00 in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11h00 and 12h00. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, Grace, for lunch. She made Grace's lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch on the beach.

All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Baptiste."

She never saw any suspicious attention, or ever had suspicions about anybody she came across, either in their independent activities or in the group with their children.

Her relationship with the couple, Gerry and Kate, is one of good friendship and they meet up occasionally at celebrations, weddings and birthdays.

Concerning Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.

TAPAS

They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 60 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance.

Yesterday, at around 08h45, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 09h15, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 09h30, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, Evie, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.

At around 10h00, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. The surrounding area was combed after having checked that Madeleine was not hiding in the apartment. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move.

The interviewee has nothing else to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

The interviewee remembers that Kate said the window at the front of the apartment was open, the shutters raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.
En verder heeft Clarence Mitchell een nieuwe baan voor een jaar: McCanns' spokesman to join Freud Communications met wat gerelateerde artikelen over de connecties tussen dit bedrijf en media-tycoon Rupert Murdoch, eigenaar van onder meer SKY en nog tig andere media-bedrijven.

Oveigens blijft Mitchell nog wel pr-man voor de McCanns en tevens andere vermiste kindjes: "He will continue to advise the McCanns, parents of missing child Madeline McCann, on a monthly retainer basis." Bron Zou Mitchell nog wel op de payroll staan bij Brian Kennedy....? Toch wat barstjes binnen het team McCann?

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Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.

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Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.
Goedemiddag!

En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: GMTV Tears To Entertain, Jade Goody And Clarence Mitchell PR
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “Real victims who reduced me to tears”

Fiona Philips – ‘the woman with the whitest teeth and yellowest hair in daytime telly’ – “on GMTV heartaches and meltdowns”

Fiona Philips is fighting the tears as Helen Newlove, whose husband Garry has been murdered, is sat on the sofa to tell her story.

Tears are the new laughter.

She has quizzed everyone from Prime Ministers to popstars, but it has been real people like Helen, those who have achieved the extraordinary or faced tragedy and heartache, who have had the biggest impact on her.

Are you crying yet? GMTV – Greally Moving Television.

Kate and Gerry McCann’s visit to publicise the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Sara Payne’s tireless campaigning since her daughter Sarah’s murder. And Mark Prince, dad of promising young footballer Kiyan, 15, who was stabbed to death in May 2006.

Cry. Cry. Cry.

“Meeting people like that is very humbling,” she says. “They are what have kept me in the job for so long. Just seeing the McCanns made me feel tearful.”

Where’s there’s tears, there’s brass…

“I went in to see Kate while she was in makeup and I could barely find the words. I just said: ‘I don’t know what to say.’ You can actually see the tragedy in their demeanour. They carry it with them wherever they go. They are parents who are grieving and Kate is remarkable. I have no idea how she’s managed to cope.”

Cry. Like Heather Mills…

“We sat down in the dressing room and she poured her heart out about everything. The vilification of her and all the frustrations of her relationship with Sir Paul. “Heather had been pushed to the edge. It was shocking, awful to see someone break down like that. She was talking and talking and I had to get back to the sofa and get on with my job. In the end I said: ‘Heather, I’ve really got to go.’ And she left.

Crying…

Although horrified by Jade Goody’s behaviour on Celebrity Big Brother last year, Fiona has been moved by news that the reality star is battling cervical cancer.

Next on GMTV, we have Jeremiah… Where’s it hurt, Jerry..?

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCanns’ man now speaks for Freud. Kate and Gerry McCann’s once ubiquitous spokesman - has accepted a job with a PR company”

Clarence Mitchell gets work. It’s all PR, you know…

“I’m going to specialise in crisis management for a range of clients which might include businesses, football clubs or even showbiz personalities,” says the former BBC reporter. “I want to broaden out my portfolio of interests.”

Do you have a problem? Are you in crisis? Call Clarence and he’ll do the PR (POA)…

“Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn’t needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense,” he says.

NEW SCIENTIST: “Genetic data withdrawn amid privacy concerns”

A new method of forensic DNA analysis has created an unexpected headache for scientists investigating the genetic roots of common diseases.

David Craig of the Translational Genomics Research Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, has designed a statistical method that allows the identification of individual DNA profiles from a mixture of DNA of more than 1000 people.

The danger is that the method allows possible violations of the privacy of volunteers in genetic studies. To avoid this, research organisations led by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) have abruptly pulled genome data from off the web.

Craig’s method uses sophisticated algorithms to analyse between 10,000 and 50,000 genetic variants called single-nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs. These can be detected using standard DNA microarray “chips”

And…

Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched.

Madeleine McCann: On it goes…
Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
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Goedemiddag!

En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...

En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!

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Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
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Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
Ha ha Tmaatje, ja dat willen wel meer mensen, ik geloof dat pas in maart volgend jaar er verantwoording wordt afgelegd want met het wisselen van een aantal board-members begin dit jaar en wat toevoegingen wat betreft doelstellingen e.d. werd de termijn verlengd waarin inzage van de boeken verplicht is, dat meen ik mij te herinneren van een boekhoudkundige op het (inmiddels alleen voor geregistreerden) 3arguidoforum. En verder de verklaring van Catriona Baker, nanny in de Ocean Club, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Statement from Catriona Baker

By Paulo Reis, Gazeta Digital

At Leicestershire Police, April 14, 2008 (resume):

Went to Portugal in March 2006 and worked at Ocean Club Village, than changed to Mark Warner's Ocean Club, in June 2006. There are seven "Kids Clubs", at Ocean Club, according to the children's ages, and about 16 nannies. She was living at a home within a 10 minute walk from the Ocean Club. Met Gerry and Kate in the morning of April 29, 2007, first time they took the children to the crèches Madeleine McCann was put under her responsibility, in the "Minis Club", with Ella, Jane Tanner's daughter.

The McCanns daily routine: Kate and Gerry took Madeleine to the crèche every morning, came back at lunch time, and after "high tea". She met Gerry more times, because he went to take Madeleine more frequently than Kate.

On May 3, 2007 she remembers that Gerry McCann took Madeleine to the crèche, between 9:15/9:20 am. She doesn't remember who took Madeleine out from the "Minis Club", for lunch, that day. Around 2:45 pm, Madeleine returned from lunch, but Catriona doesn't remember who took her to the crèche. In the afternoon, the children went swimming. Between 3:35/6:00 pm, May 3, Kate went to the area near Tapas Bar, and she took Madeleine with her. Kate was wearing a sports outfit and Catriona thought she had been jogging. She believes Gerry was playing tennis.

After her shift finished she went home. Around 10:30/10:35 pm, May 3, two room-mates came and told her that Madeleine was missing. She went out and helped in the searches, around the resort and onto the beach. She didn't see Gerry and Kate, on that night.

Mark Warner has a rule concerning the children's crèches: there is a registration sheet and the parents must sign it, when they leave and they take the children. Only parents can take the children, unless there is a previous communication that another identified person will do it. Thursday morning, May 3, all the children of the "Minis Club" went to the beach.

Mark Warner transferred Catriona Baker from the Ocean Club to another country one week after Madeleine disappeared on May 13, 2007. She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family.
Ik voeg daar zelf het volgende aan toe uit een eerdere post:
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in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron
IMO een te verwaarlozen verklaring als je eerst je eigen verklaring mag terug zien alvorens opnieuw gehoord te worden, ongelofelijk...

En dat deze nanny dit in deze verklaring verklaard: 'She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family." Klopt niet helemaal, uit een eerdere post:
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Katriona (sic) Baker, a British citizen who worked as a nanny at the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, and cared for missing Madeleine McCann for several days, does not spare criticism towards the child’s parents in the statement that she gave to the English authorities.

The nanny said that she only looked after the little girl during the day and remembers that Maddie cried a lot during a boat ride in Praia da Luz and screamed "I'm scared, I'm scared", failing to understand the reasons for the fact.

And she adds: she says that as soon as she heard about the disappearance of the child she ran through all of the places where Maddie usually went when she stayed at the crèche that exists at the Ocean Club; she guarantees that she saw neither Kate nor Gerry that evening, only seeing them again on the following Saturday (Maddie went missing on Thursday). One of the questions that the PJ asked from Kate, and to which there was no answer, was related to the reasons why she stayed at home while the searches were carried out.


Toetje, mogelijk is dit één van de redenen waarom de Leicestershire Police zo op de hand is van de McCanns: één van directors van het Fonds was Philip Tomlinson, a retired solicitor and former coroner in Leicestershire, appointed 20 June 2007 - No. of Company appointments: 5; (Resigned) replaced by Jon Corner, film producer and friend of the McCanns. Bron Ongetwijfeld heeft deze man veel te maken gehad met kwesties die onder de Leicestershire Police vallen en kende hij de McCanns, zeker Kate als huisarts (voor anderhalve dag) die mogelijk met doodsoorzaken te maken heeft gehad. Er zaten tenslotte volgens haar nog sporen op Cuddle Cat (gevonden door de snuffelhonden) van eerdere doden, zes maar liefst! Kan daar even een onderzoekje naar gedaan worden, 6 dooien voor een huisarts die anderhalve dag werkt...

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Nu ik het toch over die Leicesterhire Police heb, soms is het jammer dat het 3arguidoforum met alles over deze kwestie alleen nog is te lezen voor geregistreerden, maar gelukkig zijn er op andere blogs, interessante berichten van dat forum overgenomen, zoals deze, bron:
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02/09/08 Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



This is copied from a thread on The 3 Arguido's forum:

A.With holding 2 testimonies about one of the Tapas 7?
1. KM friends about Payne
2. Social Worker Testimony about Payne

B. Witness Tampering?
1. Russel O Brien allowed to view partners testimony
2. Technical failure on first interview with ROB - very convenient
3. Fire alarm 7 interruptions with JT interview - very convenient

C. Interference in Soverign Nations Police Force
1. LP with GB instrumental in Amaral's removal

D. Information requested
1. Not informing the Pj about 81 pieces of information
2. Medical records not sent
3. phone records not sent
4. financial details not sent (mortgage only)
5. K&G's background info requested 3rd May

E.Nepotism/Conflict of Interest
1. Link from Leicester Police website to McCann Fund
2. Gerry guest speaker at POLICE bravery awards. Given 60k and standing ovation.
3. Clarence Mitchell briefings with LP4.
4. Impersonating a police officer - CM

F. Perverting the Course of Justice
1. LP stated that there was no knowledge of debit or credit cards despite rental car having been hired.
2. Allowing member of British Public (Brian Kennedy) to personally interview UK witnesses
3. Advising McCanns that telephones were being intercepted updated

Links (to be updated as and when they occur)

* Gordon Brown has Gonçalo Amaral removed from investigation when he was "close to finding Maddie"
* Leicester police allowed Russell O'Brien to read his wifes statement before questioning
* Inquiries Act 2005
Ter verduidelijking:
LP = Leicestershire Police
GB = Cordon Brown
CM = Clarence Mitchell
ROB = Russell O'Brien (Tapasvriend)

Social Worker = "Yvonne Martin, a British Social Care worker on holiday in Luz, who also blamed the McCanns negligent behaviour."
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KM friends about Payne: 2 bevriende dokters zagen David Payne tijdens een eerdere vakantie obscene gebaren maken ivm Madeleine in aanwezigheid van Gerry McCann.
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Brian Kennedy heeft inderdaad o.a. Rober Murat en die Ierse familie Smit bezocht, zij menen Gerry McCann (toen hij van de vleigtuigtrap liep) te herkennen als degene die ze die nacht (vlak na de vermissing) hebben zien lopen met Madeleine in z'n armen.
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Sky News: Madeleine's Father Cheered By Police juli 2007
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Dat het maar weer even gezegd is, even die Britse coppers 'in het zonnetje' gezet...

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Apartement te koop in Praia da Luz...Iets voor de McCanns? O nee, ze zouden nooit meer naar Portugal gaan... Een snipper uit een artikel gelezen op de site van Joana Morais: House in Luz for sale - Correio da Manhã "According to local sources, it was with some relief that the Ocean Club management saw the responsibility for the apartment that the McCann family chose to spend their holidays, taken away. ‘The owners were very unhappy with everything that happened. They picked up the house keys and took care of everything privately, without the resort’s intervention’, they referred."

Overigens ben ik nog steeds van mening dat de eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool wél familie is van de McCanns. Het is mij iets te toevallig...Ook (vind ik een mafkees, maar goed...) Martin Brunt (Sky Bews) schreef er eerder over, een stukje, hij vroeg dit aan Clarence Mitchell op December 20, 2007:
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"I had to pester him for an answer, which only added to my suspicion that it was Gerry and Kate's second home and for some reason they had pretended it was a holiday rental. We finally nailed it. The place belongs to a Ruth McCann, a teacher in Liverpool (where Kate is from), who inherited it from her late husband.

She told us she was no relation to Madeleine's family and hoped she wouldn't be pestered after my inquiry. In fact, she was more interested in learning whether she was likely to get compensation from the police who have, at last, kept the apartment as a locked crime scene.

I say all this, in a half-hour programme that's running at Christmas, as an illustration of this strange story in which it's not difficult to get sucked into looking for suspicion where none may exist. The chance of the McCanns renting a holiday home from someone of the same name is 7,500-to-one.

That also means that there were probably three people called McCann at the Bruce Springsteen concert at the 23,000-seat O2 arena in Greenwich last night."
Een polletje, gelezen op mccannfiles.com: Guilty Focus magazine (no online link to magazine)
03 September 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation


Text from cover:

61 percent of the British and the Portuguese point their finger at the McCanns:

Maddie case - GUILTY - An international poll by Focus shows that England and Portugal have no doubts: Kate and Gerry McCann are responsible for their daughter's disappearance. And they believe that the little girl is dead.

What is coming in the Maddie case - The counter-attack by Gonçalo Amaral - Deceived McCann couple loses half their fortune.

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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 22:17 schreef Suko het volgende:

Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...
Goedemiddag!
Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
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En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!
Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
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Op woensdag 3 september 2008 12:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemiddag!
Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
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Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
Hajo Kahaarin. Kan idd best zijn dat Brian Kennedy het ook goed zat is, maar ja, hij staat wel garant voor het Fonds en ik heb een vaag vermoeden dat ook hij niet geheel vrij is van...uhm ja, dat weet ik nog niet maar waarom steek je je nek zo uit, wat voor belang zit daar achter? Inmiddels zijn er nu wel eental koppen in de kranten over de verkoop van dat apartement, ook van NewsMow, dus Anorak, een fragment:
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DAILY MAIL: “Holiday apartment where Madeleine McCann went missing goes on sale for £250,000”

The infamous holiday flat where Madeleine McCann vanished has been put up for sale for £250,000.

Can a flat be “infamous”? It was the flat wot dunnit?

Potential buyers could begin viewing the flat from as early as next week, raising the possibility of voyeurs keen to see where the three-year-old disappeared looking round.

Dreadful. Better to just look around the property on the Mail’s website.

Flat 5A at the Ocean Club holiday complex has two bedrooms, measures 90 metres squared and is 20 years old. It is 500 metres from the beach.

Compact. Bijou. And handy for an abduction, allegedly… Does Our Maddie make it more or less valuable?
Wrang maar waar. Eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool is vast wél familie, de prijs is aardig gestegen....

Inmiddels staat de best wel uitgebreide poll van Focus online, op de site van Joana Morais: Maddie case: Guilty - Focus 61% say that they are guilty. Het voert te ver (imo) dit hele artikel hier te plaatsen maar interessant is wel dat meer Britten de McCanns geloven dat de Portugezen, een fragment:
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an article by: João Vasco Almeida

The first international poll about the Maddie case, done by Focus, reveals that both Portuguese and British are certain that Kate and Gerry McCann are guilty over their daughter’s disappearance. Concerning the little girl’s destiny, the numbers are even colder: She is dead.

The number is crushing: more than two thirds of the British and the Portuguese population blame the McCann couple for the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, aged three, on the 3rd of May 2008 [sic], from an apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve. An opinion poll that was commended to Eurosondagem by Portuguese Focus, and carried out in Portugal, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland leaves no margin for doubts. Despite the behavioural and cultural differences, the majority of populations replies affirmatively to two of the most direct questions of this inedited poll.

Nevertheless, when the numbers are evaluated according to nationalities, it becomes clear that in Portugal the blame that is popularly attributed to the McCanns rises to 77.5 percent. This means that only 22% of the population still believes that the Scottish couple has no responsibility in the disappearance of their eldest daughter.

The British, on the other hand, are divided, although the majority agrees with the Portuguese. The majority, 44.6 percent, states without a doubt that doctors Kate and Gerry are guilty over the disappearance of little Maddie.

The first question of the poll is unequivocal. In both countries, all the persons say that they know what happened on the 3rd of May. This means that it is not necessary to explain the McCann couple’s drama to anyone. Everyone, really everyone knows.

What divides the Portuguese and the British is the belief in Maddie’s destiny. While in Portugal it is believed that the child is dead, far away there is a hope that she is well. The abduction theory collects the sympathy of 72.9 percent of the British, against only 11 percent that sustain the death theory. But it is significant that 15 percent of the British wish to reply “I don’t know” to the question concerning the cause of the disappearance. De vragen e.d. >>>
Met nog een nieuwtje, nou ja nieuwtje..."Meanwhile, Focus knows that during the first weeks of September, the couple’s Portuguese lawyers are going to make a statement concerning the book by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral and announce which are the next steps that are to be made. On the other hand, Gonçalo Amaral is also waiting for September in order to decide whether he advances a process against the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, or writes a new book." Moet ik nog zien of dat echt gaat plaatsvinden, die aanklacht van de McCanns bedoel ik,
maar...let's have it!

Tenslotte, take note K&G McCann, how lucky you are you are, getting away with it ....over een meisje van 3jr:THE appearance of a semi-clothed toddler alone in a busy shopping street has sparked alarm. "After the Madeleine McCann situation, everyone should be aware that child protection is the very highest priority – doors must be locked out of a child’s reach – anything could have happened.” A police spokeswoman said: “It’s a very alarming incident. We were alerted of the girl at Talbot Green police station and have passed the matter on to social services. “ We will continue to look into it to see if a criminal offence has been committed.”

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En dan nu de verklaring van Dianne Webster, moeder van Fiona Payne, op 04 May 2007 om 20h45. Een grote snipper, de hele verklaring staat op mccannfiles:
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She states that the McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine, nearly four years. She thinks the idea of coming to Portugal came from her daughter. She believes her daughter knows Portugal.

The informant arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12h20/12h30 from Leicestershire to Faro and then to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club they they used the airport's shuttle service. After checking in, she was placed in apartment G5H with her family. (Her daughter, her son-in-law and their two small children)

Concerning the usual routines, the informant states that she only spent part of each afternoon with her family and that not always. Sometimes she read, she went shopping or did other things. As for the mornings, she only had lunch one day with her family, Wednesday, because it was raining. On the other days, she spent the mornings playing tennis.

Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 15h45 and left at around 18h15 to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 19h00. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.

They left the apartment at around 20h45 and accompanied by her son-in-law and her daughter, they went to join the rest of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant. The McCann couple were amongst the other friends at dinner. To our question, the informant told us that given that her daughter had an intercom allowing them to hear if the children were shouting or crying, no one went to check on the spot. However, she reported that Kate and Gerald as well as other couples went a few times, on a regular basis, to make sure their children were OK. During one of these checks, Kate came back, frightened and nervous, even panicked, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

They immediately organised search parties, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding in there, then outside. In spite of help from the Ocean Club's employees, the searches were fruitless. The informant does not know Madeleine well, because she lives a long way from the McCanns, and she cannot say very much about Madeleine's personality. Nevertheless, she reports that Madeleine was calm but active and energetic and well brought up. She is an attractive and a good child.

During this holiday, she has noticed nothing unusual or which could be linked to the investigation. She has no other details to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.
Haar dochter Fiona legde om 7.20pm een verklaring af en schoonzoon David Payne werd 's middags 14h45 gehoord, ook allebei op 4-5-2007. Theoretisch gezien heeft David Payne de tijd gehad zijn vrouw en schoonmoeder te informeren wat hij eerder die dag heeft verklaard.
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Tony Bennett heeft wat verschillen gevonden in deze verklaring van Diana Webster:
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1. Did they really stay at the beach from 3.45pm to 6.15pm? No, they were filmed on CCTV at the Paraiso at between 5pm and 6pm (see August News of the World article).

2. No mention of seeing Kate jogging at around 5.20pm as some of the other 'Tapas 9' claim.

3. She is vague about her separation from David and Fiona at 7.00pm. Did all three of them stay on the tennis court until 7.00pm? She does not say so.

4. She says she returns to the flat with her grandchildren. She does not mention Fiona.

5. She says David came back at 7.10pm. Once again she does not mention Fiona.

6. So where was Fiona?

7. She makes no mention of (a) Gerry McCann asking David Payne to visit Kate McCann nor (b) of David going up to the McCanns' apartment at around 6.20pm/6.30pm

8. Her statement does not exclude the possibility that she did not see David between 6.15pm and 7.10pm - nearly an hour. Where exactly was he?

9. This is a very 'spare' statement with very little detail given. I might characterise and describe it as: 'evasive'
Waar Tony dat restaurant Paraiso noemt is inderdaad waar, Diana Webster zegt daar niks over, niemand trouwens, men zou zich kunnen afvragen of onderstaande afbeelding, genomen van CCTV-beelden, van dit samenzijn in het restaurant Paraiso wel op 3 mei heeft plaatsgevonden, een datum veranderen is niet zo moelijk...



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De volgende vragen werden verzonden aan diegene die met Gerry en Kate McCann in het Tapasrestaurant hebben gegeten op 3 mei 2007, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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What detectives asked the Tapas Seven Sky News

4:05pm UK, Tuesday August 05, 2008

Detectives in Portugal sent through a series of questions to all those who had dinner with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night Madeleine disappeared.

Here is a list of what they were sent:

1. How long have you known Gerald McCann and Kate Healy (Kate's maiden name) and in what capacity?

2. Have you seen Kate and Gerald at home with their children?

3. Have you been on holiday with them before? If yes can you describe how they looked after the children of an evening/night?

4.How often did you see Gerald and Kate during your holiday April 28 - May 3?

5. How often did you see their children: Madeleine, Sean and Amelie?

6. Did you have any concerns about the children in any way?

7. When was the last time you saw Madeleine?

8. On Thursday May 3 when did you see Kate and Gerald?

9. At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on May 3? Who was already there?

10. What were Kate and Gerald doing when you arrived?

11. Did you speak with Kate and Gerald?

12. How were they behaving?

13. Who left the table during the meal and to do what?

14. Did you see Gerald leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

15. Did you see Jane leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when she came back? Was her behaviour or attitude different when she returned?

16. Did you see Matthew leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? When did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

17. Did you see Russell leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

18. Did you see Kate leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when he came back? How did she look and behave? Where you shocked at what she said? What did you do?

19. Did you go to the McCann apartment? Did you go into the bedroom where the children were sleeping? Can you describe what you saw? Did you see the twins? Did you notice anything unusual about them?

20. What did you do next? Did you take part in any further searches? Who were you with?

21. How did Gerry react when Madeleine was not found in the first 10 minutes?

22. How do you think they were behaving considering Madeleine was gone?

23. What did you do between 10.30pm and 10am the next morning? Who did you see?

24. Who did you speak to?

25. When did you leave Portugal? How often did you see Kate and Gerry? How do you think Kate and Gerald were behaving for parents who had lost a child?

26.Did you see either Kate or Gerry speaking to anyone on holiday that you did not know?

27. Did you see either Kate or Gerald in a car during the holiday.
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
Hier is je antwoord, maar meer in het algemeen, ik kan mij die oproep nog herinneren, dat vakantiegangers foto's konden opsturen. "British police from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency (Ceop) have so far received more than 500 images which they plan to cross-reference against a database of pictures of UK paedophiles and other criminals." 25 May 2007 BBC De link om foto's up te loaden: http://www.madeleine.ceopupload.com/

Maar dan...
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Your photographs have never reached the Portuguese interviewers SOSMaddie (French language site)
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis 04.09.2008
To date, the PJ have not received a single photo as a result of the appeal launched by Leicestershire Police who asked holidaymakers who had stayed in PdL to send copies of any photos taken during the 2 weeks prior to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

The appeal was launched jointly by Leicestershire Police CEOP and ACPO. According to a source close to the UK enquiry several hundred photos reached the British authorities, most of which were uploaded to internet pages created specifically for this purpose.

"We will evaluate these images - at a rate of 1,000 frames per hour - so that we can pass on any significant information to the Portuguese authorities in a timely manner", promised Jim Gamble, Head of CEOP.

The official aim of this campaign was, according to Jim Gamble, to move forward the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, including the use of facial recognition software on images showing any people "who appear out of context or are behaving strangely." "We wonder what the real purpose of this public appeal was.… We have not had access to these photos," confirmed one of the investigators, who stressed that the only photos received by the PJ had been sent direct by witnesses.
Maar foto's die wél naar de PJ werden opgestuurd leverden niks op, uit het zeer beknopte eindrapport: "Also explored were information related to the delivery of photographs from individuals in the area for holidays and obtained by the Police, along with various hotel chains, whose examinations yielded nothing useful." Mogelijk mochten ze ook niet gebruikt worden zoals met alles, wat een enorme onzin allemaal, de PJ en het publiek wordt belazerd en niet zo'n beetje ook, door de Britten, met name de McCanns, de Leicesterhire Police en mogelijk ook deze clubjes CEOP and ACPO, onder regie van Gordon Brown. Kennelijk is daar niets tegen te doen. Shame on you all...

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De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
* Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
* Justice for Madeleine
* Maddy - Reference Forum and Investigations

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  vrijdag 5 september 2008 @ 11:18:51 #240
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De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
* Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
* Justice for Madeleine
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Hey, goed nieuws, alweer een tikje voor team McCann.
Goedemorgen!
Wat een over en weer getik trouwens, net een ping-pong wedstrijd onderhand, die zegt dit en de ander zegt dat......
Het blijft gewoon afwachten tot er iets boven water komt dat voor een doorbraak kan zorgen.....
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The Sun komt met een Exclusive, ja wel, waarbij de snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie 'te grazen' worden genomen, het is zo'n belachelijk artikel, eigenlijk 2 artikelen, dat ik het niet eens plaats, zelf lezen, hier en hier. Eén quootje: "The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children." Dat opperde ik al eerder, zes dooien voor een huisarts die 1 1/2 dag p/week werkte...te belachelijk. En The Sun meldt oude sporen in het apartement, dat is allang al uitgesloten. Op de site van Nige staan deze artikelen ook. Evenals deze video van The Sun, genoeg bewijzen dacht ik zo maar het is natuurlijk wel ge-edit...niet alles is te zien, hoe de honden veel vaker aanslaan.



Gelukkig heeft Nige van McCannfiles in z'n archief het tegendeel bewaard: Note: Read about the world-renowned skills of Eddie and Keela here Hij plaatste ook deze foto van de doggies, ook uit The Sun, much better:



Hooi Kahaarin. Zoals je ziet is het modder gooien begonnen....Alleen The Sun is IMO zo ongeloofwaardig, werkelijk te genant...
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Maddie: journalists tried to break into window - Portugal Diário

During the month of September, the PJ received various alerts of foreign journalists who tried to enter the Ocean Club bedroom where the British child disappeared from.

Several journalists tried to film and photograph the inside of the bedroom where Maddie disappeared from on the 3rd of May 2007. In some situations, they even tried to force the apartment’s shutters open.

Kate and Gerry McCann returned to London on the 9th of September 2007, and a few days after they left the villa that they rented in Praia da Luz, the real estate agency was contacted by a journalist who tried to rent the property in order to carry out some filming. The request was denied.

On the morning of the 20th of September, the executive manager of the Ocean Club noticed the presence of three television reporters on the outside of the apartment where the McCann family spent their holidays. The two men and one woman had already forced the shutters of the bedroom where the children slept. It was the manager herself who expelled them from the location, while suspecting that their goal was to film the inside of the property.

Five days later, the firm that is responsible for the Ocean Club’s security was summoned to the same location due to the insistent presence of three further journalists in the patio that accesses the apartments.

They tried to ‘buy off’ the cleaning ladies

Even the cleaning personnel declared that they were approached by several journalists so they could access the inside of the apartment.

Whenever the pretension was denied, they offered money in return for said access. While in the former situations foreign journalists were identified, in this last attempt the nationality is not identified in the process that was made public on the 4th of August 2008, after the investigation was archived and the judicial secrecy was lifted.

No danger of ‘contamination’

On the 26th of September, in the early evening, the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) was contacted by a security guard from the Ocean Club, who informed that he had found the bedroom shutters up. Two inspectors traveled to the location and verified that said shutters had been raised, from the outside, until half the height of the window. But nothing was broken and there were no indicia of the window having been broken into.

A police source that is connected to the investigation explained to Portugal Diário that at the time, no processes were opened against the journalists because there was no ‘risk of contamination of the premises’ anymore.

Without indicia that the McCann couple had committed any crime, the Public Ministry determined the archiving of the process. On the 21st of July of 2008, Kate and Gerry, together with Robert Murat, saw their arguido status lifted. source: Portugal Diário, 03.09.2008 by astro
En verder is Kate McCann nog steeds boos, ach ach...wijffie toch: "In an interview with the Portuguese newspaper Expresso, published tomorrow, Mrs McCann, 40, is asked what she thinks of Amaral and his book, a bestseller in Portugal. She replies: "It's a disgrace." Daily Mail Sue him.... !

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Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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McCann's Cadaver Dogs Video:PJ Final Report


Excerpt of The Judiciary Police Report - All Investigation

pages 35 and 36

(...)Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in the report.

In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by MARK HARRISON, whose speciality is the search for missing people or homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human cadaver odor.

This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom, frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially trained dogs.

One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.

After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined, with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the documentation (appendix III).

In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour of identification and “signalling”, including:

pages 37 and 38

1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the child disappeared.



- cadaver odour dog:
*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
*in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment;



- blood dog:
* in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);

2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:



- cadaver odour dog:
* in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second apartment]

* NOTHING at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;

5 - In the area of Vila da Luz

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN



- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family



- cadaver odour dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;



- blood dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.

pages 39 and 40

* NOTHING was detected by either dog;

9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and persons that are close to him;

* NOTHING was detected by either dog.

(in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was rented on the 27th of May)



On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).

But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.

On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.



Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.

It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following said inquirition, did she assume that quality.

Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would officiously force that constitution.

Source: Document in PDF - PJ Report in Portuguese

Related:

“I was close to finding Maddie”
14 Aug 2008
The technique of residue collection using special dogs like these, CSIs, is usual in England, in the United States and it has already led to more than 200 condemnations. The laboratory where the samples [of blood, cadaver odour and DNA ...

Dog Detects car of the McCann Couple
10 Aug 2008
The McCanns previously tried to dismiss the cadaver dogs findings, stating that the Cadaver dogs were manipulated to react to the Renault Scenic therefore implying that the South Yorkshire police special team handling the dogs was. ...

Recourse to the dogs was advised by British expert
7 Aug 2008
An English expert who counsels the police in cases of missing persons, abduction and homicides was determinant for the turnaround in the Maddie case, dictating the call for the dogs that detect cadaver and blood odour. ...

The dogs’ work as described by their own handler
7 Aug 2008
The cadaver detection dog “Eddie” and the blood detection dog “Keela” showed themselves as “very excited” when they entered apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, the one that had been occupied by the McCann couple during their holidays. ...

Madeleine McCann: Reversed Investigation
27 Jul 2008
It does seem possible that that has taken place based on the circumstances of the cadaver dogs who signalled [death triggers] the existence of a cadaver and, also of blood with the genetic profile of the girl. ...

Cadaver Odour in the McCanns Car and Clothes
12 Jul 2008
In a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver dogs only signalled cadaver odour and blood scent in Kate and Gerry McCann car, rented 24 days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May of 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve. ...

What are the Chances?
27 May 2008
Of highly-trained forensic cadaver dogs and DNA analysts from the UK being mistaken? Of a GP coming into contact with 6 dead bodies in the week before the holiday? Of the GP bringing a "Cuddle Cat" to work with her and it thus acquiring ..

Sniffer Dogs used to seek Madeleine prove again their effectiveness
25 Feb 2008
In cases where a dead body will be the likely outcome of a search, Cadaver dogs are used to search, rather than standard Search and Rescue dogs. Why? Because a Search and Rescue Dog is trained to find living humans, and not detect ...

The Theory of the Abduction of Madeleine McCann
19 Feb 2008
c) We’ll get on to lawyers in Ireland/America who say these cadaver dogs’ evidence is useless. (d) The DNA was the children’s dirty nappies in the boot. (e) The ‘smell of death’ was rotting meat that Gerry was taking to the dump. ... by Joana Morais


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Goeiedag zeg... Oeps de McCanns worden toch wel nerveus, boek van Amaral in de UK-schappen, Mitchell die nog een baas heeft gevonden, 3Arguidoforum weer open voor ierdereen (ze hebben echt de pest aan dat forum) filempies met Eddie en Keela, statements van iedereen waar geen barst van klopt etc etc. Tijd voor een interview dachten ze. Alle kranten staan er weer bol van, News Now Joepie! Met variaties in de koppen zoals deze: More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.



En wat heeft dat 'interview' dan weer opgeleverd + de verkoop naar alle andere kranten, voor het fonds zeker? Is dit gesprekje een beginnetje naar meer Exclusives, nu de meeste mensen toch wel door hebben dat geld geven zinloos is, vooral nu bekend is geworden dat ook hun woordvoerder Clarence Mitchell daar maandelijks geld uit ontvangt nu Brian Kennedy dat niet meer voor zijn rekening wil nemen.

Stukje uit The Herald: "The father of Madeleine McCann has admitted the possibility that his missing daughter may be dead. In the first interview with Kate and Gerry McCann since they were formally cleared of involvement in the case, Mr McCann says: "I will be honest. We have got no idea whether Madeleine is alive or not. What we are certain of is that there is absolutely no evidence." Lijkt me genoeg reden om eens in de UK onderzoek te doen naar dat fonds, geheid dat er weer om geld wordt gebedeld, maar wie gaat nu nog geld geven vooral nadat filmpje van gisteren waarin duidelijk te zien was wát Eddie en Keela hebben gevonden....


In de Portugese krant Expresso staat vandaag ook een interview met de McCanns, een teasertje:

Maar goed, als er meer geld nodig is dan kunnen de McCanns en hun vrienden ook een belofte waarmaken:
Reminder: Gerry's sister Philomena McCann said yesterday the couple and even other relatives may have to sell their homes. Asked if it was an option she said: "It's a possibility, yes. These things happen. "Money and property is not as important as family and love, is it? Not to me anyway." 15/09/2007 The Mirror Toen lwam branson op de proppen: "Branson, who has been in regular contact with the couple since their daughter went missing, hopes that it could amass £1m. The money would mean that members of the McCann family could drop their plans to sell their houses to pay legal costs." The Times en ook de BBC Maar ja, die is er niet meer nadat de McCanns tot arguido's werden verklaard...dus de verloop van huizen is een mooie optie.
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Interessant: Forensic Sci Int. 2008 Jan 15;174(1):35-9. Epub 2007 Apr 2.
Oesterhelweg L, Kröber S, Rottmann K, Willhöft J, Braun C, Thies N, Püschel K, Silkenath J, Gehl A.
Institute of Legal Medicine, University Medical Center Hamburg, Germany. lars.oesterhelweg@irm.unibe.ch

INTRODUCTION: Cadaver dogs are known as valuable forensic tools in crime scene investigations. Scientific research attempting to verify their value is largely lacking, specifically for scents associated with the early postmortem interval. The aim of our investigation was the comparative evaluation of the reliability, accuracy, and specificity of three cadaver dogs belonging to the Hamburg State Police in the detection of scents during the early postmortem interval. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse. Comparative searches by the dogs were performed over a time period of 65 days (10 min contamination) and 35 days (2 min contamination). RESULTS: The results of this study indicate that the well-trained cadaver dog is an outstanding tool for crime scene investigation displaying excellent sensitivity (75-100), specificity (91-100), and having a positive predictive value (90-100), negative predictive value (90-100) as well as accuracy (92-100).

PMID: 17403590 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
website reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17403590
Gelezen op het 3arguidoforum Woef!

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Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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During the interview that was done in England, the couple seizes the opportunity to criticize Gonçalo Amaral’s theories. Nevertheless, Kate and Gerry do not ponder to sue the former inspector of the Polícia Judiciária who led the investigations.
Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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  zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 13:56:07 #245
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 00:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
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Breaking News08:40 WORLD: More than £1m spent on hunt for Madeleine.
06/09/08

More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.

Kate and Gerry McCann said that in less than a year the Find Madeleine fund had paid £1m (¤1.23m) to Spain’s Metodo 3 detective agency to search for her.

And the pair told the Daily Mirror they would spend whatever it takes to uncover the truth.

Mrs McCann, 40, told the newspaper: “We can’t set a limit. A child does not have a price. We will pay what we have to. It just takes one person to make the one phone call we so hope for. We know she was abducted and believe someone knows or suspects something.

“We want to find her alive. But if she is dead we want to know. There’s nothing in the police report that indicates anything bad has happened to her.”

The two doctors, from Rothley, Leicestershire, spoke of their bitterness at having ever been made suspects in the case.

Mrs McCann strongly condemned detective Goncalo Amaral, who led the hunt and later wrote a book on the case, labelling his behaviour “a disgrace”.

Mr McCann, 40, said: “We were investigated in the most intimate detail. ’How did you get rid of her? Who helped you? Where did you put her?’

“My plan was to stay quiet and not answer. But the first question was, ’Are you involved in the disappearance of your daughter?’ It was nonsense and I decided to respond.”

Mr McCann again expressed his anguish at leaving Madeleine alone with twins Sean and Amelie as they went for dinner in Portugal’s Praia da Luz resort.

But he said the couple were “not negligent” but “profoundly regret” what happened.

The pair said their three-year-old twins have been vital in helping them cope with their ordeal.

The youngsters still talk about when their sister Madeleine comes home.

And their parents say keeping the missing five-year-old’s memory alive for the twins is helping the couple through their torment.
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be nice or go away
  zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 13:57:15 #246
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You are my sunshine......
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quote:
Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 11:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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Nee natuurlijk niet, as always, negeren dan gaat het vanzelf weg.
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  zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 14:13:16 #247
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keek op mijn week ( © DJ11)
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Tot nog toe is de strategie van de McCanns wel succesvol gebleken. Inderdaad gewoon alles negeren, nergens op ingaan, alle vragen onbeantwoord laten en vervolgens stug doorgaan met je eigen fonds.

Dat is de methode om ergens mee weg te komen, heb ik van deze zaak wel geleerd. Want al het verzamelde bewijs en alle aantoonbare leugens zijn nog niet voldoende om een zaak te maken. Dat vind ik eigenlijk wel schokkend.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 13:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
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Hallo daar kahaarin en Livelink. Ja, dat van die million pound baby had ik even aangestipt in de eerste alinea. Blogbabe? ....Whahahaha...indeed, daar is het echte nieuws te lezen met soms opmerkelijke nieuwtjes en achtergronden die de Britse pers vertikt te melden. Opmerkelijk is wel dat The Sun vandaag een verhaal plaatst met als kop + kiek een snuffelhond die sporen vindt bij die gehuurde auto en pas halverwege een kiek van de McCanns, met wel weer een l*lverhaal maar dat zijn we inmiddels wel gewend.

Ik schreef eerder dat alleen de Portugese pers meldt dat McCanns Amaral niet zal aanklagen, niet helemaal waar want Kate zegt o.a. op de BBC: "All I will say about this, and because I'm not going to waste my time on Mr Amaral, is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Goed zo wijffiie, ik miste de arrogantie al een beetje, pfff...gelukkig, bang voor z'n boek maar weet het toch weer mooi te verdraaien, yeah...

@ Livelink, misschien is het niet zo moeilijk om er mee weg te komen door ten eerste niks te zeggen, tegen te werken zelfs, en keihard liegen helpt ook maar bovenal de hulp van bovenaf, dán redt je het, lachtend...many British people with money/influence have everything to hide. (geweldig Engels weer...haha)
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Op McCannfiles.com:
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Gerry McCann buried Madeleine's body on the beach, Portuguese detective says - Telegraph

The Portuguese detective who was sacked as head of the team investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has accused her father of burying her body on the beach near their holiday apartment the same night that she was reported missing.

By David Harrison Last Updated: 5:56PM BST 06 Sep 2008
In the latest of a series of extraordinary claims about the case, Goncalo Amaral, says he believes that Maddy died accidently in the McCann's rented flat as the result of a fall and that her father disposed of the body.

The disgraced detective - who has sold 120,000 copies of a book he has just published a book about the case - says an Irishman had claimed that he had seen Mr McCann with a child in his arms walking towards the beach on the night that Maddy reportedly disappeared.

The McCanns dismissed the claims, made in an interview with a Spanish newspaper, as "ridiculous".

Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "As Kate has said today Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. "His comments are grossly defamatory and utterly without foundation."

Mr Amaral, who has now retired from Portugal's Judicial Police investigation force, says in the El Mundo newspaper: "The Portuguese police, like the British [police], and also the prosecutor, who has now changed his opinion, thought the same. We are talking of a death involving third parties, not of homicide.

"In the bedroom blood and the smell of a body were found just below a window where there was a sofa. The father was there for a short time just outside this window having a conversation with a friend.

"The parents said the girl did not have a bad dream. Maybe the girl heard the father and climbed onto the sofa under the window. But the parents had pulled it away from the wall. so that the girl would not get out, and Madeleine could have fallen."

The former policeman talks about the Irish witness seeing Mr McCann carrying a child towards the beach and about sniffer dogs finding traces of blood and the scent of a body on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of a car the couple hired 23 days after Maddy disappeared.

This prompts the interviewer to ask: "Gerry McCann buried his daughter on the beach and then disinterred her and put her in the boot 23 days later?" Amaral replies: "We don't know. The Irish witness I have spoken about saw on television Gerry with a child in his arms arriving in the United Kingdom and declared it was the same image that he had seen in May in Portugal. This man went two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered."

The interviewer says that Amaral's claim implies that the Tapas Nine - the McCanns and their friends who dined together on the night of Maddy's disappearance - had all ageed to lie.

Amaral says: "All of them. Because, in case you don't know, British legislation covering negligence in caring for children is very hard...In the United Kingdom, if you leave a child alone for half an hour you will lose custody. After the death of Madeleine, if it had been made public that it was an accident, all of them would have lost custody [of their children]."

The former detective describes how on one occasion during a meeting Kate McCann had lowered her head and seemed to be totally distracted for several seconds before coming back to being her usual self. "It appeared that she had escaped from the role that she was interpreting," he says.

Asked how she reacted when she was asked if Maddy had been killed by falling from the sofa he replies: "She didn't say anything, she just lowered her head for a moment as if she was on the point of fainting. She had an emotional crack that lasted for just a moment."

Amaral adds: "For me, Gerry hid the body of Madeleine on the beach. And after some days he transfered it to his car. We were working in this direction. "We lacked establishing the date, some details, but we were on the way. The Irishman was on the point of coming to Portugal, but it took too long, and there were external pressures. In the end he didn't make a statement to the [Judicial] Police."

A friends of the McCanns dismissed Amaral's claims as "nonsense and legally extremely dangerous", and said that Kate and Gerry would sue Amaral if he published his book in the UK.

Mr Mitchell said: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully. "He is also completely at odds with with his own Attorney-General who, in lifting Kate and Gerry's "arguido" - official suspect - status, made it clear that there is no evidence to suggest they are guilty of any crime whatsoever."
Wederom een Clarrie-tactiek, hier wordt wel gemeld dat ze overwegen Amaral aan te klagen, maar dan op z'n woorden, spin-tactics...confusing the public aren't you, mixed messages. But you will not sue Amaral , you're all to scared!

En dat interview in de Expresso waar de kranten vol van staan in op de site van Joana Morais en ook op McCannfiles te lezen. Ik wacht nog ff, heb er al genoeg over gelezen...

En ook nog: 06 Setembro, 2008 The video of the dogs that framed the McCanns - Correio da Manhã
Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work
Past wel goed bij het eerdere artikel van Joana Morais wat ik gisteren hier heb gepost.

Toetje, een quootje van Mike Hitchen, een rare druif imo, maar schiet soms zeer raak:
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"The deliberately misleading news of their generosity comes a day after The Sun tried to discredit two highly trained, highly respected and highly insured British trained sniffer dogs, for the sole reason of laying the blame for Madeleine's fate on detectives who along with other Portuguese tax payers, have spent far more in the search for Maddie than the McCanns, Branson or Kennedy ever have or are likely to. They also spent far more time looking for her - which isn't too difficult as the McCanns believe it is the responsibility of others to get down and on their hands and knees in the dirt looking for clues. The McCanns like others to do their dirty work for them.

Perhaps the British media would like to publish a more accurate headline - "The McCanns running out of money and want yours so Dr Kate doesn't have to work and handle more corpses - it's so hard to get the smell of one's clothes"


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Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Russel O'Brien dd 21h45 on May 4th 2007 (ook hier te lezen incl. commentaar), de echtgenoot van Jane Tanner. Haar verklaring werd die dag op 11h30 genoteerd. Ook nu zijn er weer dudelijke verschillen te zien wat betreft check-tijden etc etc. Geen melding dat z'n vrouw, Jane Tanner, een man had zien lopen met kind, zij meldde dat wel.
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Brian Kennedy kan er geen genoeg van krijgen, uit de Daily Mail:
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I'll fund the McCanns until they find Maddie, vows double-glazing tycoon Kennedy
By Daniel Boffey Last updated at 10:05 PM on 06th September 2008
The multi-millionaire tycoon financing Kate and Gerry McCann's search for their daughter has said he will support them for the rest of his life if necessary. Double-glazing magnate Brian Kennedy, 48, said he would use his estimated £450million fortune to back the couple as long as Madeleine remained missing.

His pledge will alleviate concerns about what will happen when Madeleine's Fund, made up largely of public donations, runs out. There is currently less than £500,000 in the kitty, with £1million having already been spent on the hunt for Madeleine since her disappearance in May last year

Team McCann is now hiring a fifth group of private investigators to help with the search. Mr Kennedy, who has five children with his wife Christine, lives in Wilmslow, Cheshire, and made his money through double-glazing firm Everest. He had not met the McCanns before offering his help but now speaks to them almost daily.

A source said: ‘Mr Kennedy got involved after seeing Kate on television after she became an arguido. He felt compelled to do something. A fifth company is going to be hired. 'Everything that can be done is being done. But it is like looking for a grain of sand on a sea shore. The team are just desperate for leads now.’

The couple's lawyers are still sifting through 13,000 pages of Portuguese police files, released last month. One team of investigators believed they had found Madeleine in Morocco last year – but it turned out to be an American girl being kept against her will in a dispute between her parents.

‘It was desperately disappointing when it turned out not to be Madeleine,’ said a source. ‘It was a low point for everyone concerned.’ Madeleine’s Fund is already paying investigators Metodo 3, Control Risks, Oakley International and an unnamed fourth company. However, as The Mail on Sunday revealed last month, Oakley will not have its current £500,000 contract extended after missing a series of targets set by Mr Kennedy.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: ‘We will leave no stone unturned in finding Madeleine.’
Merkwaardig, de McCanns schreven toch onlangs op hun site dat Oakley International gewoon aanblijft....En ook vreemd, hij trok alleen de geldbeurs toen eerst Kate McCann tot formeel verdachte werd verklaard, dus hij deed het allemaal niet eens omdat Madeleine werd vermist????

Nou ja, dan kunnen ze het fonds ook wel opheffen, maar de grote vraag is hier ook, waarom steekt Brian Kennedy zo z'n nek uit, waarom steekt hij er zoveel geld in en waarom bezocht hij persoonlijk enkele getuigen bv die Ierse familie Smith zoals die vader die er van overtuigd is Gerry McCann te hebben gezien met Madeleine in z'n armen die fatale avond. De Smithtjes werden nooit meer gehoord door tegenwerking van de UK. Met andere woorden, welke belangen heeft Brian Kennedy in deze kwestie. Als het alleen geld was had hij ook stilletjes de McCanns kunnen steunen maar nee, hij heeft ze tengels overal in, zoals het inhuren van al die PI"s die tot nu alleen de geld en tijd van de PJ hebben 'gestolen' en nu zijn er kennelijk weer nieuwe PI's ingehuurd...what is going on???? Moet hij wat luitjes beschermen en ook zichzelf, of ook, beschermt hij misschien een ander stille rijke stinkerd??? Zie ook de site van Joana Morais: The Non-Charitable odd Fund: The McCanns & Brian Kennedy Strange Connection

Reminder: als er een ontvoering is geweest waarom heeft niemand die 1 1/2 mijoen beloning opgeeist, geen enkel teken van iets of iemand, nada, noppes, niènte....
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Ook veelzeggend, het Telegraph-artikel welke ik gisteravond heb gepost (hierboven) is van de site verwijderd....Een 3arguido-poster schrijft Ultimately, the Telegraph and associated outlets will have journos monitoring forums but what about the governments Media Monitoring Unit - who are the powers behind the pulling of this article and why? Perhaps they are one and the same? Of maakt Clarence Mitchell gelijk z'n woorden waar in het teruggetrokken Telegraph-artikel: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully." En dan gehoorzaamt de Telegraph heel braaf....

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Nieuws wat men niet 'mag' lezen in de UK...Een interview met Amaral in de Spaanse krant El Mundo:
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Gonçalo Amaral: Gerry McCann hid Madeleine's corpse on the Beach El Mundo

SILVIA TAULÉS
06 September 2008
Thanks to Joana Morais and 'Ines' for translation (some amendments have been made to the original translation)
* The apartment window always stayed shut, in spite of what Kate McCann said

* The girl might have fallen from the sofa; there could have been an accident because of the sleeping solution


MADRID - He arrives late, with a certain 'star' look. His book (Esquilo, 2008), which will be officially presented on the 9th of September, has sold 120,000 copies in two weeks, a record in Portugal.

This, once begun, was unstoppable. Gonçalo Amaral, the visible head of an investigation that had thousands of people in suspense, tells why he remains insistent that it was Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, who were responsible for her disappearance.

Question – You defend the theory that the parents are responsible for what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Answer – No. That is not in the book.

Q - However that is the theory that one can understand from reading it.
A - The summary also draws the same conclusion of the book.
Q - What are the points, that you believe, implicate the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter?
A - The first thing is that they always defended the theory of the abduction. The mother said that the window of the room was open when she saw that the girl was not there. That is not correct, the window was closed and it is impossible for the girl to have left that way. We worked in the apartment and the window was closed. The parents have always argued that the girl was alive and they were the first to raise that Maddie could be dead.
Q - Other evidence?
A - The witnesses, there were several inconsistencies between their statements. Those that had dinner with the McCanns that night, their friends, invented the system of monitoring of the children. Why? There are many details that lead one to think about the culpability of the parents. There are two different lists about the monitoring system.
Q - You talk about inconsistencies in the statements about the monitoring system. The book also indicates that the nine people who had dinner together drank an average of eight bottles of wine, four of red and four of white. Isn't there the possibility that, between the disappearance and the alcohol, they were confused and that they did not remember the exact minutes in which they watched the children?
A - Okay, but then there is the window where we found Kate's finger prints, the mother of the girl. She said that she had never touched that window, and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous day. And above all she said that the window was open when it was closed, it doesn't add up.
Q - Would it be possible that the mother or the father closed the window later, when returning to the room to search for the girl?
A - There are three people who say that they walked in front of the apartment and saw the window closed. They did not state that it was open? Which left? And there are other things. The mother says that she entered the room and the windows were open and the shutters were raised. No one else saw that. They simulated an abduction. They wanted us to say that someone entered the apartment with the intention of theft and when they saw the girl they killed her.
Q - That could have happened?
A – It is very complicated.
Q - Why?
A - Let us return to the people who passed in front of the apartment. Nobody saw anything strange. We investigated all the people who were involved in theft in the area. There were no unknown fingerprints in the apartment, of course they could have used gloves, that is true, but that could not be. In addition, the parents were the first to talk about death. And it is normal to think that their daughter could have died, but they have never admitted this in public. But I do not believe that the parents killed her.
Q - So, what are we talking about?
A - About an accident. The child could have fallen from a sofa, could have had an accident with Calpol (a sleeping solution). We never had access to the girl's medical history, so we don't know whether she was healthy or not. We can only speculate. There are many very strange details.

Note: the full interview is a paid article. This is the free version.
Ja ja, dat is niet mis, dat vonden de McConns ook...
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New slur on Madeline McCann's father Gerry by shamed cop The Mirror
By Nick Owens 7/09/2008
Shamed Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral stooped to a new low last night - disgracefully claiming Gerry McCann buried daughter Madeleine on a beach the night she went missing. In his most sickening outburst yet, sacked Amaral said Gerry went back days later to move her body so the police would never find it.

Last night Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns official spokesman, said: "Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. His repetitive slurs are not only grossly defamatory but they are completely unfounded. "What he says is so utterly at odds with reality it beggars belief.

"Kate and Gerry are looking and watching at everything he does and will not hesitate to take legal action against him if he continues to act in this sickening manner." Last week Kate herself spoke angrily about Amaral. She said: "As a professional and a person he has been a disgrace."
Pardon? Ik dacht toch dat de McConns zich niet met Amaral bezig hielden: "Kate – All that I am going to say about this – because I'm not going to waste any time on Mr Amaral – is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Uit het Expresso interview van gisteren. Sterker nog, Kate leest niet eens de kranten....zo meldt ze keer op keer. If you are lying at least get your lies straight....
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En verder nog een interessant artikel op de site van Joana Morais:
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Soft toy found by death smell - Correio da Manhã
Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work Afbeelding

The cadaver odour on Madeleine McCann’s soft toy was proved when the sniffer dog was able to find it while hidden inside a closed cupboard.

The process of the toy’s marking is demonstrated by the images from the investigation’s videos that are published by Correio da Manhã, as well as the moment when the springer spaniel that is trained to detect the smell of death, changes its behaviour next to a piece of Kate’s clothing.

The cadaver odour on the soft toy was marked inside the residence that was being occupied by the McCanns in July 2007, but the experts repeated the diligence in a scenario outside the house, where the dog, ‘Eddie’, gave signal again.

Confronted with the indicia that resulted from the inspection done by the dogs, which are widely used in the United Kingdom – English expert Martin Grime asserts that in over two hundred searches, the sniffer dogs have never marked a false positive – the Polícia Judiciária questioned Kate and Gerry and made them arguidos. The authorities were forced to admit a possible involvement of the McCann couple in their daughter’s disappearance and to confront them with elements that could result in incrimination.

Kate McCann, who after Maddie’s disappearance was accompanied everywhere – and in a visible manner – of her daughter’s favourite toy, did not deny the fact that two pieces of her clothing and her daughter’s soft toy had been marked by the English dog that is trained to detect cadaver odour and justified the fact with her profession: she alleged that as a doctor at the Health Centre in Leicester she attended six death situations during the period immediately before her vacation time in Portugal.

Manipulated evidence

The soft toy was found on the bed where Maddie allegedly slept on the night that she went missing, but on the bed, no cadaver odour was detected, contrary to the soft toy. This fact led the Polícia Judiciária to believe that the crime scene was manipulated in order to better justify the abduction theory that is sustained by the McCanns and their friends.

In one of the investigation reports the inspectors write that the soft toy was placed on the bed’s end in a moment that was posterior to the disappearance. “There was an intentional modification, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of the abduction scenario”, the process reads.

McCanns devalue dogs

Kate and Gerry McCann continue to defend that Madeleine McCann was abducted on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007, in the Algarve, and they devalue the indicia that was collected during the investigation – mainly the traces that were detected by the sniffer dogs.

“The frailty of these dogs was proved in a study that was carried out in the USA”, the McCanns stated in an interview to ‘Expresso’, reiterating the hope of finding their daughter alive: “We want to find her alive, but if she’s dead we want to know. There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her.”

Kate and Gerry say that they “firmly” believe that Maddie was abducted by a man and they criticise the former case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, who defends the homicide theory. “His behaviour has been a disgrace”, they said, considering that the success of his book is a case of “illicit enrichment”.

“Suing the McCanns is a possibility to consider” (Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Madeleine McCann case)

Correio da Manhã – How do you react to the McCanns’ statement that your behaviour is a disgrace?


Gonçalo Amaral – That happens in the sequence of a campaign, it’s normal for that hostility to exist. Concerning that type of accusations, they have to be pondered…

- Does that mean that you consider the possibility of suing the McCanns?

- Yes, it’s a possibility to consider.

- How do you interpret the fact that the McCanns devalue the dogs’ work?

- It’s a form of defence. To them, we are all incompetent, but that is not how the dogs are seen in the United Kingdom, where they are widely used and with success.

- The McCanns say that the English police are more experienced in abductions…

- They can present a formal complaint about their daughter’s abduction to the English police instead of using private detectives.

Details

200 searches – Expert Martin Grime asserts that in over 200 searches the sniffer dogs have never failed.

Vehicle – ‘Eddie’ and ‘Keela’, which are trained to detect the odour of human cadavers and blood, marked the car that was rented by the McCann couple among ten vehicles.

Robert Murat – The cars that were used by Murat, the first to become an arguido, were inspected by the dogs but nothing was detected.

Decisive – The investigation changed its course after the traces that were detected by the dogs.

Notes

16 months: Missing – Madeleine McCann disappeared 16 months ago from the Ocean Club resort, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, where she was spending holidays with her parents and her twin siblings. It was on the evening of May 3, 2007.

Detectives: 1.2 million – Kate and Gerry McCann, Maddie’s parents, guarantee that they have already spent 1.2 million euros from the FindMadeleine Fund, with the private investigation into their daughter’s disappearance.

Investigation: Case archived – In July, the Public Ministry archived the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance. The abduction theory was dismissed and homicide was pointed out as more likely. source: Correio da Manhã, 07.09.2008 by astro


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