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En dan nog even over die verklaringen van de McCanns + Janer Tanner en Mike Oldfield, ze verklaren gewoon die checks te hebben gedaan, hoe is dat dan te rijmen met de verklaring van buuv Mrs Fenn boven het apartement van de McCanns, uit het eindrapport van de PJ:
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On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own.
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Best handig om wat puntjes op een rij te lezen die ook en daar in dit topic zijn geplaatst, uit de Portugese krant, The Online Resident:
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MADELEINE FILES: Madeleine spent most days in Kids Club

CHILD CARERS working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz noticed that the McCann children spent the maximum time available in the care of the resort’s kids club according to police files released to the media surrounding the case.

The usual routine of Gerry and Kate McCann was to put the children in the nursery facility at about 9am and then pick them up between midday and 12.30pm to give the children lunch before bringing the children back at 3pm and returning at the end of the day between 5pm and 5.30pm.

Other children in the tapas nine party would not spend as much time away from their parents.

The other parents in the group, the files reveal, would normally leave their children with the baby sitting service only in the morning sessions.

The police files also gives details about Madeleine’s personality as described by her father, Gerry and those that spent time with Madeleine while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

Madeleine was described by Gerry as being an extrovert, very active and having happy relationships with other children.

She would never go with a stranger and he states clearly that she was not taking any medication.

In a statement made by one of the nannies working at the Ocean Club, Madeleine was described as being a calm, beautiful and happy child.

However, she was portrayed as being more shy than the other children at the kids club.

Meanwhile, reports in the British media have claimed that there is now less than 500,000 pounds sterling in the Find Madeleine fund.

The private investigation agency Oakley International has reportedly cost the fund half a million pounds sterling, despite not yielding any concrete results.

This had led to Brian Kennedy, the British double glazing tycoon who has donated large sums of money to the Find Madeleine campaign, voicing his dissatisfaction in the investigators.

A statement was issued on behalf of the McCanns on Tuesday countering the claims in the press concerning the status of the private investigators via the website www.findmadeleine.com.

“We appointed them (Oakley International) several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.”
Niet te geloven toch, hoeveel tijd, vooral de twins (toen 18 maanden), in die Kids Club hebben doorgebracht. Kinderen hebben rustpunten op een dag nodig, ook Madeleine van nog geen 4 jr. En vreemd dat idd er verschillende beschrijvingen zijn van Madeleine, van verlegen tot hyperactief. Interessanter zou zijn als er eens keer in Rothey navraag wordt gedaan hoe Madeleine echt was, bij de Nanny en op school, maar ja, verboden gebied.

En hoe de Britse pers de mond werd en wordt gesnoerd en hoe er ook aan wordt verdiend is te lezen op de site van Joana Morais: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Met een stukje van Joana Morais zelf, aka Xklamation:
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"Note: As an example of how hypocrite some media editors and directors are I'll leave you with my own personal experience. My.Telegraph Blog was censored, all posts and comments except one were sent into a status of permanent limbo since May 2008 - they were not deleted nor published - the administration team at my.telegraph never gave me any reason for the censorship of my blog posts - just imagine that all free blog platforms would have censors telling you what NOT to write about?! Where my posts against my.telegraph rules? No. They were translated articles about the McCann Case. See for yourself - the version containing all the blogs posts and the Censored Version.

Meanwhile we still want to believe that Great Britain has a free and democratic press....."
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  donderdag 28 augustus 2008 @ 12:49:46 #205
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Op woensdag 27 augustus 2008 20:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kahaarin! Leuk je weer te lezen! Hopelijk heb je een mooie vakantie gahad.
Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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Hernieuwd onderzoek? Nee joh, met name fora en bloggers publiceren nu de eerste verklaringen, (allemaal hier te lezen) afgenomen op 4 mei 2007. Tot nu dus Gerry McCann, Jane Tanner, Mike Oldfield, allemaal 's morgens en Kate McCann 's middags.. De rest volgt nog. En natuurlijk zitten daar verschillen tussen ondanks dat er tussen hen is overlegd. IMO komt er alleen een doorbraak als Madeleine wordt gevonden (in welke staat dan ook...helaas), of dat er iemand een keer gaat praten. En verder misschien een onderzoek wat betreft het Madeleine-fonds in de UK, mogelijk wordt er fraude geconstateerd. Maar hoogst waarschijnlijk zal niets van dit alles gebeuren. Er staan teveel belangen op het spel, inclusief lui aan de top in Portugal. Waarom anders laat de PJ zo het hoofd hangen en werden in korte tijd veel mensen vervangen. Bovendien wist Amaral echt teveel, hij was niet langer te handhaven binnen de PJ en ook de UK wilde hem weg hebben, wat na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown 2 uur later ook gebeurde. Ik heb een vermoeden dat Amaral daar niet rouwig om was nu hij voluit de feiten heeft beschreven (en deels waren te lezen in Portugese kranten en ook hier geplaatst) en er mogelijk nog een vervolg komt. Zoals hij de wereld al liet weten, het is geen politiezaak maar een politieke zaak.
Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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Dat is al langer onderwerp van discussie, vooral ook omdat de medische gegevens van Madeleine op verzoek van de PJ niet mochten worden ingezien. En natuurlijk die 81 pagina's uit de files, die via het hooggerechtshof aan de McCanns zijn gegeven en niemand anders krijgt te zien, inclusief dat gedoe dat Madeleine Ward of Court werd gemaakt, mogelijk al veel eerder zelfs, msschien al voor de vermissing. Laten wij ook niet vergeten dat de McCanns Madeleine wilde laten adopteren, of mogelijk bij familie wilde laten opgroeien.
Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
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Opvallend wat een aantal Britse kranten groot publiceren: British girl is taken from her mother after abandonment in the Algarve - Sol Een triest verhaal: "The news arrived at the pages of English newspaper ‘Daily Telegraph’ today, which remembers that in May, three British children were temporarily removed from their parents, on holidays in the Algarve, after the latter fainted in the hotel." Iets wat jij ook laat zien qua nieuws van Anorak. Je zou je lunnen afvragen waarom er nu zo openhartig over deze zaken wordt gepublceerd, iets wat ik eerder schreef: over het vermoorde 4-jarige meisje Rose in Israel, waarom niet Madeleine+ouders onderzoeken qua achtergronden. Of zijn dit hints richting de McCanns, ze weten het allemaal wel maar middels andere drama's met kinderen laten ze zo de McCanns weten en de lezer dat er dingen gaande zijn die absoluut niet deugen....tenslotte mag er kennelijk niets ten nadele over de McCanns geschreven worden, dan maar zo middels andere iets gelijksoortige trieste verhalen????
Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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Madeleine McCann: Maddie For Rose Ron, Praia Da Luz Moves And Whacking Stephanie Bysh
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

THE SUN: “Hol mum of left girl faces jail”

To Portugal…

A BRITISH mum whose daughter was taken into care on holiday faces up to ten years in jail.

It’s “cash-strapped Stephanie Bysh”.

What do we know about here?

She a brunette. And, as reported, she and one Ariella D’Gamo were “sleeping on the streets before a friend took them in. The worried pal took the eight-year-old girl to cops in Lagos, Portugal. She is now staying at a children’s home.”

How does Madeleine McCann fit in?

Bysh fled the resort — near where Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 — but collapsed with kidney problems in Portimao 15 miles away.

That close, eh. Yesterday the incident was 25 miles from where our Maddie went missing. Such are the facts.

DAILY MAIL: “Fears the ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’ has been killed by her own mother and grandfather”

You mean Rose Ron’s grandfather who told police that he had killed the 4-year-old?

What more of their Maddie?

At its heart lies the bizarre love triangle in which little Rose’s grandfather fell in love with his son’s young bride and fathered two more daughters with her. Police say the grandfather has admitted killing the child and dumping her in a river, but no body has been found and there is no forensic evidence proving her death.

Just like our Maddie, then? It’s uncanny.

Ha’aretz (Israel): “’Sick twist’: World media plays up story of ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’”

Rose Ron is missing. She’s been given the nickname Maddie…
be nice or go away
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Telefoonlijn voor Vermiste Kinderen
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RIJSWIJK - Via het nieuwe landelijke telefoonnummer 116000 kunnen vooral buitenlandse ouders vanaf maandagmiddag 12.00 uur de vermissing of ontvoering van hun kind melden. Via dat nummer kunnen ze de hulp inroepen van de politie, het Rode Kruis of het Centrum Internationale Kinderontvoering (Centrum IKO).

Volgens directeur Els Prins van Centrum IKO is het nummer vooral handig voor buitenlandse ouders omdat die het alarmnummer 112 van de politie niet kennen. Medewerkers van Centrum IKO bemannen de lijn tussen 09.00 en 22.00 uur. In de tussentijd is er een Engelstalig voicemailbericht te horen met andere telefoonummers.

Het nummer is een initiatief van de Europese Commissie. Centrum IKO beheert de lijn en medewerkers schakelen door naar de politie als het vermoeden bestaat dat het kind is ontvoerd. Het Rode Kruis komt in beeld als een kind wordt vermist. Als blijkt dat een kind door een van de ouders of familieleden is meegenomen naar het buitenland, dan komt Centrum IKO in actie. Het onderzoekt dan de mogelijkheden om het kind terug te krijgen.

Behalve in Nederland is het nummer vooralsnog alleen te bereiken in Griekenland en Tsjechië. Prins hoopt dat het aantal landen snel wordt uitgebreid. Het Rode Kruis opent zaterdag een Europese database voor het terugvinden van vermisten. De organisatie doet dat op de Internationale Dag van de Vermisten die zaterdag wordt gehouden. In de database worden namen opgenomen en met elkaar vergeleken.

Het Rode Kruis krijgt elk jaar honderden verzoeken van mensen die familieleden kwijt zijn door natuurgeweld of conflicten. Vorig jaar waren dat er ongeveer 850. Tot nu toe benaderde het Rode Kruis medewerkers in landen waar de vermisten zich zouden bevinden. telegraaf.nl
Let wel, dit is dus niet het Amber Alert Systeem van de McCanns maar is al in febr 2007 in gang gezet, zie eerdere post.

(ik zie net je post Kahaarin. ff lezen )

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 12:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
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Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...

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Amaral's boek te krijgen in de UK! Blimey, gebruikt Clarence Mitchell soms software voor veel gebruikte standaard woorden of zo. Alweer staat er in onderstaand artikel, outrage en fresh heartache Boring Mitchell...Ik dacht eerder dat bij de zak had gekregen aangezien berichten over die good-for-nothing PI's niet van hem kwamen en de McCanns dat enigszins terugdraaide op hun eigen site, heel ongebruikelijk, kennelijk is het tussen hem en geldverstrekkerd Brian Kennediy en ook de McCanns weer bijgelegd...Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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Maddie: Outrage at book Daily Star (no online link, appears in paper edition only)

Cop accuses McCanns

By Jerry Lawton 28 August 2008
Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh heartache last night as a best-seller on the case hit Britain. Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers. Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files.

One shows Kate and Gerry, both 40, and their holiday pals giving information about Madeleine at the scene just hours after she vanished. The police chief criticises the McCanns, their friends, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Leicestershire Police.

Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This account has gross inaccuracies and is grossly defamatory. "The conclusions are entirely false. They suggest Kate and Gerry were involved in the death, accidental or otherwise, of Madeleine and covered it up."

He added: "Mr Amaral and his publishers should not mistake a lack of action yet for any lack of long-term action. "He is presented as a world-class Madeleine expert but what does he know?


"Do you know how many times he interviewed Kate and Gerry when he was on the case - not once!" Madeleine, now five, vanished from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year ago last May.
Gaan we weer dreigen Mitchell??? Ik heb al gelezen dat Amaral zichzelf ernstig moet beschermen. En oh wat is het team McCann bang voor de files die straks voor iedereen zijn te lezen en Amaral's boek. En dat Amaral niet zelf de verhoren heeft afgenomen is als leider van het onderzoek niet zo vreemd, daar is personeel voor. Bovendien, Kate McCann weigerde iig een zooi vragen te beantwoorden, so...what's to know anyway... En natuurlijk weet Amaral alles en méér, waarom anders wilde Gordon Brown hem weg hebben? They are so scared, this McCann-clan... Let's have your second book Amaral...

Oja...nog even dit, wat zei Amaral ook alweer: 'Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

Focus – Are you going to sue the McCanns?

G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.'

IMO zullen de McCanns Amaral niet zo snel aanklagen, dan moeten ze nl bewijzen dat hij liegt...oeps.

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Nige van mccannfiles heeft een staatje gemaakt nav de eerste verklaringen (dd 4-5-2007) van Kate en Gerry McCann:
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Madeleine's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about Madeleine's movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation for Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 Gerry takes Madeleine to the Kids Club (Jane Tanner reports that Kate was at the tennis courts during this time with Dianne Webster)
09:30 - 12:30 Kids Club activities
12:30 - 13:30 Collected by parents for lunch in the apartment
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with parents (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 17:00 Return to Kids Club
17:00 - 17:30 Kids Club teatime, at the Tapas restaurant/bar, under the parents supervision. Based on current statements, it is unclear who collected Madeleine. Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging on the beach at 17:15.
17:30 - 19:30 The usual routine suggests that Madeleine was allowed to play in the playground area beside the tennis courts, just outside the Tapas bar, under her parents supervision. Tired out, she would then be bathed and made ready for bed. We don't know if that happened on 03 May. But we do know, from CCTV evidence, that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May and that neither the McCanns, nor their children were there.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and seen Madeleine in her pyjamas ready for bed. However, this crucial incident is not mentioned at all by Payne in his first police interview. Neither is it mentioned by anyone else, in the statements we've seen so far.
19:30 - 20:00 Put to bed, with Kate and Gerry waiting until 20:30 before leaving for tapas restaurant and bar
21:05 - 21:15 Observed to be asleep by Gerry McCann
22:00 - 22:30 Reported missing by Kate McCann

Kate McCann's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about their movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation of children for the Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 According to Jane Tanner, Kate arrives at the tennis courts at 09:00, with Dianne Webster, and waits for Tanner to finish her lesson at 09:30
09:30 - 10:00 Kate has tennis lesson, with Tanner observing
10:00 - 12:30 ???
12:30 - 13:30 According to the usual routine, the children are collected for lunch back in the apartment - it is not specified who collected them on 03 May.
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with the children (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 15:45 ??? - possibly preparing for/playing tennis with Gerry (see next entry)
15:45 - 17:15 Observed by Jane Tanner to be playing tennis with Gerry at 15:45 - this is not mentioned by either Kate or Gerry in their statements, so it remains unclear when they started and finished.
17:15 - 17:30 Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging alone on the beach at 17:15. This was the Kids Club teatime.
17:30 - 19:30 ??? - We know from CCTV evidence that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May. Neither the McCanns, nor their children were there. In addition, neither Kate nor Gerry offer any clarity on their whereabouts beyond stating that the usual routine was for the children to play for a while in the playground beside the Tapas bar before being bathed and prepared for bed.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and found her dressed only in a bath towel. This incident is not mentioned by either Kate or Payne in their first police interviews.
19:30 - 20:30 The children put to bed. Kate and Gerry stay in their apartment to relax until 20:30. Kate took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with Gerry.
20:30 - 22:00 At the Tapas bar/restaurant (Meal served at 21:00 according to Tanner)
22:00 - 22:30 Undertakes 'check' on Madeleine and reports her missing
Op FOK!:
Snipper uit de verklaring van Gerry McCann op 4-5-2007
Verklaring van Kate McCann op 4-5-2007
Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com
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David Payne's interview on 04 May 2007
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David Payne's statements were taken the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007 at 14h45. As with all the others, David Payne was accompanied by a, "sworn," interpreter, A. Francisco M. The statement was recorded by inspector Patricia D.

The words at the beginning of an interview are invariably the same. They are mandatory type words. They form the legal basis of the document. Recited often, they are like:

"We, Patricia D., police inspector, in the service of the PJ, Portimao Section, note:"

On the subject we are recording it is shown:

That the interviewee made this statement voluntarily. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: Scarlett and Lily), Russell and Jane (children: Evie and Ella), Matthew and Rachael (child: Grace), Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).

That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip.

Concerning the days spent in Portugal, the interviewee describes them as being all very much the same. He states that his family, composed of his mother-in-law Diane, his wife Fiona and their two children, spent their days more independently than other members of the group. They were most often with the couple Russell and Jane.

Concerning the remaining membes of the group, normally they got up and went for breakfast at the, "Millennium," restaurant, after which they left their children at the Kids Club and the adults went to do sports inside the tourist complex or they went to the beach. The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 20h45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed. During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 22h00, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.

That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom occupied by the children but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window.

In answer to our question, the interviewee doesn't know how many times Madeleine left the tourist complex, but he knows she went, at least once, to the beach. That during the holiday, he saw nothing abnormal concerning the couple Gerry and Kate, neither with their children nor, notably, with Madeleine. In the context of the group, he noticed nothing abnormal. That during the whole holiday, and particularly during the day and the night yesterday, nothing unusual happened in the tourist complex, which attracted his attention, or which could be correlated with Madeleine's disappearance.

He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved. Madeleine's parents are very sociable people, known by lots of people, kind and affectionate. Madeleine is indeed the daughter of both of the couple. She was wanted and is the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation. There was no difference in treatment between Madeleine and the twins. He doesn't know if Madeleine suffers from any illness, nor if she is on medication. He has nothing more to say that could help the progress of the investigation.
Ongelofelijk hoe deze verklaringen zo erg op elkaar lijken, IMO is daar goed overleg over geweest....Ook David Payne (net als Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield eerder) maakt geen melding van het feit dat hij op 3 mei Madeleine fysiek heeft gezien, iets wat wel door Gerry McCann is verklaard n de BBC-docu: "At 6.30 Gerry McCann asks a friend, David Payne, to pop in on Kate to see if the children are coming down. He goes to the flat, he says all is well, but the children are too tired and are already in their pyjamas." En ook in de Daily Mail: "The source said: "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. "He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. "I expect it was said [by Gerry] as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'."

En verder beschrijft Amaral in zijn boek een nogal pijnlijke scène waarbij David Payne (tijdens een eerdere vakantie) tegen Gerry MacCann een nogal sexueel getint gebaar maakt mbt tot Madeleine. Waargenomen door 2 bevriende dokters.

Op FOK!:
Verklaring van Jane Tanner op 4-5-2007
Verklaring van Mike Odfield op 4-5-2007
Volledig terug te lezen op mccannfiles.com

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  vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 11:51:51 #210
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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 13:21 schreef Suko het volgende:

Yep, het weer maakt niet zo uit, verandering van omgeving doet echt ontspannen. Wat betreft dat fora en blogs veel naar boven weten te brengen, idd...want met name Britse media weigeren sowieso uit de voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren en aangezien veel mensen daar geen genoegen meenemen lees je het echte nieuws aldaar. Niet voor niets is het team McCann daar bang voor... De PJ weet best wel veel meer, maar is totaal geblokkeerd door de Britten en Amaral werd te gevaarlijk, gewipt door Gordon Brown. Qua vaderschap, al of niet biologisch, daar heb je gelijk in, vader zijn houdt meer in dan alleen eigen genen, maar mogelijk heeft Kate daar problemen mee, weet je veel, misschien waren het ook niet eens haar eieren. Maar je ziet het aan het opbergen van de kids in die Kids Clubs, imo niet bepaald een familievakantie. Ja ergerlijk, de Israelische Madeleine McCann, mogelijk ook uit geldelijke overwegingen, zie dit verhaal wat ik eerder qua link plaatste: Marketing War Tactics: The Guardian buys Madeleine McCann Maar ergens hou ik in gedachten dat het mogelijk stille hints zijn naar de McCanns, zoiets als, wij weten het wel maar mogen slecht nieuws niet plaatsen, wel andere soortgelijke gevallen. Kan zijn, dat ik iets te ver doordenk hoor of misschien whisfull thinking...
Goedemorgen!

Wishfull thinking ftw!

De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
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OAP believes Bankies can help find Maddie
By Julie Gilbert
Print Article A PENSIONER is hoping he can inspire divine intervention in the case of Madeleine McCann — via an appeal in the Clydebank Post.

Robert Darroch, 75, has made several appeals in the Post’s letters page over the past 20-years asking readers to pray for people missing or being held captive.

And miraculously, or coincidentally, soon after publication there have been some very positive outcomes.

Remembering these past successes, Robert is now asking Bankies to spare a thought and a prayer for Madeleine in the hope the pattern continues.

Robert told the Post: “Over a period of four years in the late eighties and early nineties I regularly asked the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer for Terry Waite, held captive in Lebanon, and other captives in letters to the Post.

“Almost every time my letter was published the captives were freed.

“For example on February 21, 1991, I predicted, regarding hostages, that ‘the bumper harvest will come this year’ at a prayer meeting in St Stephen’s Church in Dalmuir.

“On August 8 I repeated the prediction in the Clydebank Post.

“Between August and December eight captives, including Terry Waite, were freed during harvest months.”

Robert believes strongly in the power of prayer and travels around churches in Britain praying and encouraging others to pray for good causes and for peace.

The Parkhall man said: “I go to different churches every Sunday. I’m a Catholic myself but I’ve been to two thousand two hundred churches covering fifty denominations in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. My record is attending seven services on the same day in Clydebank. I am trying to break down sectarian barriers.”

Robert has been travelling around churches sending out appeals for 27 years.

He has had similar success sending out appeals in newspapers in other parts of Britain.

He said: “In the early nineties I went to six services in Enniskillen in Northern Ireland and silently prayed for peace. The local newspaper interviewed me and I said I predict there will be movement towards peace before a year. That year the IRA called a ceasefire.

“There’s no halo above my head but there are times when I suspect that somebody up there either likes me or is getting me mixed up with somebody else.”

Readers will be very aware Robert’s hopes and prayers for Madeleine McCann have not been successful to date, and that is why he appealing in the Post. He said: “I want to see if the same thing happens as before. Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response.

“May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found.”
Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
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  vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 @ 21:34:21 #211
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Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen!

Wishfull thinking ftw!

De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
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Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.
Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...

En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 21:34 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?
Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 12:33:55 #213
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Als ik het zo lees moet het voor de kinderen geen leuke vakantie zijn geweest. Ik ben net een weekje weggeweest met mijn kinderen (6 en 4 jaar) en daar was ook zo'n kinderanimatieteam. Mijn kinderen vind dat dus echt niet leuk. Ze hebben 1x een half uurtje meegedaan met de knutselclub onder voorwaarde dat ik er bij bleef en mijn zoontje heeft 1x meegedaan met de voetbalwedstrijd, maar toen moesten we natuurlijk ook wel blijven om te kijken. Verder wilden ze niks weten van het speciale kinderprogramma. Het kan natuurlijk zijn dat het bij die Mark Warnerclubs een stuk professioneler en leuker was, maar ik kan het me haast niet voorstellen.
Echt triest om te lezen dat de kinderen zo op de tweede plaats terechtkwamen. En ook nergens voor nodig. Met zoveel volwassenen kun je het best regelen dat zowel de ouders als de kinderen aan hun trekken komen tijdens de vakantie.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...

Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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Fiona Payne's interview on 04 May 2007

Fiona's interview was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

On the subject in hand we note that:

The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine. She is married to David who is also on the trip. She has known the child's parents for around seven years. She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David. The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years. The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old. The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.

They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus. After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

The routines

Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 08h15/08h30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections. In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment. At around 15h30/16h00, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 18h00/19h00. Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.

Dinner

During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom. Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 15h45 and came back around 18h15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 19h00. Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 20h00. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 20h45, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. The McCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, left the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok. During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep. Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add. After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.
Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

De eerdere verklaringen zijn op mccannfiles terug te lezen.

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Oh oh, dit commentaar in The Guardian is hilarisch! Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier Irish Independent
By John Boland Saturday August 30 2008
Extract from TV review column:

(...) Then I switched channels.

I should have done the same with Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier (TV3), though I stayed with it because: a) a home-made documentary from TV3 is a rare sighting and b) it was so boring and meaningless that I was too numbed to reach for the remote.

At the outset, writer-producer Jerome Hughes promised revelations about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who, according to the solemn-toned narrator, was "the most recognised missing person in the world". Well, least recognised, I'd say, given that nobody has yet found her. But let that pass because apparently TV3 was about to give us the lowdown on the "secret files" compiled by the Portuguese police.

These files, in fact, are now in the public domain, but let that pass, too, because TV3 assured us that it was about to reveal sensational new information. Except, of course, that there was nothing of the remotest interest to reveal, and so the filmmakers resorted instead to trawling through footage we'd all seen and heard a zillion times before during the relentless media coverage of this case.

To pad matters out even further, the makers enlisted a couple of Irish experts, including retired garda Michael Kirwan, whose specialist subject, in the words of Basil Fawlty, was the bleeding obvious. "Every sighting has to be checked," Michael informed us. "There's a possibility," he later told us, "that the kidnappers panicked and killed the wee child." Gosh, I hadn't thought of that one. At the end the narrator conceded that "we still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann, why she disappeared or where she is now". But he didn't tell us why TV3 thought this worthy of an hour-long programme.
Well well, why don't you read some fora and blogs on the internet M. John Boland, besides that, these files are in the public domain soon, very soon... Also, one or more of your colleges of The Guardian are in the possession of all these files, on dvd, you can ask if you can see them Mr. John Boland. But you won't do you...

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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:11:34 #216
145755 kahaarin
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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 22:12 schreef Suko het volgende:

Hoi Kahaarin, inderdaad heel genant hoe ze die kids tijdens de vakantie hebben gedumpt, voor zover ik heb gelezen zijn ze maar 1x met de kids naar het strand geweest. pfff. Overigens is die Robert Darroch van het goede hout gesneden maar iets naief. Hij meent in het artikel: "May I kindly ask the people of Clydebank to spare a thought and a prayer that Madeleine will be found." In zijn gedachtegang geef ik hem gelijk, maar zoals hij zelf aangeeft: "Since last September in as many as two or three churches every Sunday in different towns in Scotland I silently prayed that I be granted the finance to issue a world peace appeal and that Madeleine would be found but I have had no response." Hij weet het antwoord al...
Hey hoi hallo!
Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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En weer wordt onkend dat die private investigators van Oakley International de zak hebben gekregen, een artikel op de site van Joana Morais: Madeleine detectives’ axing denied Waarom dat eerst dan werd gemeld, via een spokesman, dus niet door Clarence Mitchell, is mij een raadsel. Er klopt iets niet, maar ja, dat is met alles zo wat de McCanns betreft. Ben net begonnen met het verhaal dat Mrs. Fenn Madeleine op dinsdagavond 1 mei geruime tijd heeft horen huilen zoals ze heeft verklaard, ik kom er nog op terug maar het doet vermoeden dat Madeleine op donderdagochtend helemaal niet Gerry of Kate heeft aangesproken (Gerry verklaard tegen hem, Kate veklaard tegen haar) waarom hij of zij gisteravond, dus woensdagavond, niet kwam toen ze huilde.....
CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen.

Ik begin ook steeds meer te vermoeden dat het een cover up is voor een ongeluk, er is gewoon te veel verklaard dat niet klopt met de feiten. hoe dan ook er wordt gelogen, gedraaid en gespind....
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Heeee Tmaatje... Yep genoeg stof tot nadenken, maar mogelijk komt het boek ook hier uit als het eenmaal in de UK-schappen ligt, we houden het in de gaten en desnoods ga ik maandag ff bellen naar wat uitgevers!
Hey Tmaatje, bij BOL.COM staat hij nog niet, ook niet bij verwachtte boeken, ik houd het ook in de gaten.
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Madeleine McCann: Stephanie Bysh And Ariella Encroach On Praia Da Luz
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

STEPHANIE Bysh is mother to Ariella d’Gama, who has passed a while in a children’s home.

What has it got to do with Madeleine McCann. Well, get this:

DAILY MAIL: “British mother whose daughter was taken into care by Portuguese police after she ‘went out drinking’”

A British man told police that her mother Stephanie Bysh, 44, had been ‘drinking heavily’… The town is five miles from Praia da Luz, where missing toddler Madeleine McCann disappeared in May last year from a rented apartment.

Yes, just five miles.

Yesterday, it was all just 15 miles from where our Maddie went missing.

The day before that it was all occuring 25 miles from Praia da Luz.

Anorak estimates that inside week, little Ariella will be actually inside the apartment used by the McCanns that fateful trip…

Such are the facts…
bron
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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 15:18:47 #217
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 13:22 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Livelink, tuurlijk is dat voor ieder gezin verschillend, hangt er ook vanaf wat de kids leuk vinden, maar IMO is een mix het beste, dingen gezamelijk ondernemen zoals uitjes, beetje de omgeving verkennen en zo, maar niets van dat al, waarom gingen ze eigenlijk zover weg dan als ze eigenlijk alleen binnen het resort bleven...? Kidsclubs moeten eventueel af en toe een leuke toevoeging zijn en geen vakantie-bestemming qua doel op zich. Zoals jij het deed lijkt me heel gezond, als ouder ook leuk er soms bij aanwezig te zijn en inderdaad, onderling kun je als ouders veel regelen, maar dat is niet in ze opgekomen...
Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Fiona Payne, de vrouw van David, gelezen op mccannfiles.com:

Ook hier geen melding, net als in David's verklaring, van het feit dat in de namiddag op deze fatale dag Gerry aan David had gevraagd even langs Kate te gaan om te kijken of alles oke was. En verder meldt Fiona dat zij, haar moeder (Diana Webster) en David om 8.45pm vertrokken naar de Tapasbar. David verklaarde eerder: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. Zo dichtbij is het tegenover gelegen restaurant dus niet, op wandelniveau toch al gauw 10 min. Ook in de verklaring van Fiona, net als David en Mike Oldfield, geen fysieke waarneming van Madeleine op de fatale dag, 3 mei. Lijkt mij de eerste vraag van de politie, wanneer zag U Madeleine voor het laatst en wáár en hoe was ze, of zie ik dat nou weer verkeerd?

Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:11 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hey hoi hallo!
Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen. [quote]Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.
Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty." Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
Ha ha, ja dat artikel/commentaar op Anorak is inderdaad geweldig, één van de betere imo. Mooi dat jij ook uitkijkt of het boek van Amaral hier uitkomt!

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  zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 @ 23:56:01 #219
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 22:56 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. [b]They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty."[/b] Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
Hoooooi Voyeur , ik geloof dat veel mensen deze zaak nog wel in 't hoofd hebben...zolang er over wordt gepubliceerd (alleen in de Portugese pers), zoals de eerste verklaringen de dag na de vermissing en de reacties daarop op voornamelijk op fora en blogs, tot zolang zal het nog wel actueel blijven. Team McCann heeft niet zoveel te melden, alleen wat loze dreigementjes richting Amaral, wiens boek nu idd in Londen te koop is. "Mr Amaral's concise testimony is simply written and crystal clear. You'll be pleased to know it's reached London distributors." Bron Ze gaan hem echt niet aanklagen, dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er in dat boek niet klopt...

Wat die foto's betreft zoals Bridget O'Donnel beschrijft, ik weet niet of die echt bestaan omdat er twijfel is dat of zij op die middag van 3 mei daadwerkelijk de McCanns bij het zwembad heeft gesproken, you know, er moeten statements (bewijzen) worden verzameld omdat men nog steeds met de vraag zat en zit van die missing 6 of 7 uren voor de vermissing. Gerry en Kate melden in de eerste verklaringen niets over deze Bridget, ook niet dat David Payne even binnenwipte bij Kate. De rest van die Tapasvrienden beschrijven ook geen fsyieke aanwezigheid van Madeleine op die dag. En nanny Charlotte Pennington heeft in het stof moeten bijten, ze beweerde eerst: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents."It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all." Daily Mail op 25 September 2007 Maar dat was nadat kranten begonnen te schrijven dat niemand Madeleine die middag had gezien.

Maaaaaar, schrijft Nige op z'n site: "Of course, Pennington subsequently destroyed this story on the Dispatches programme, that was aired on Channel 4 on 18 October 2007, when she admitted that she hadn't seen Madeleine or the McCanns after lunchtime on 03 May 2007. So, what happens? On the very day the Dispatches programme was aired, for which the McCanns would almost certainly have had a pre-screening, the Daily Mail reveals exclusively that Gerry had asked David Payne to pop by the apartment and check on Kate.

The 'source' told the Mail, "David Payne saw Madeleine at around 6.30pm. He popped in because Gerry wanted to make sure Kate was OK. Gerry was playing tennis and David said he was going past. I expect it was said (by Gerry) as: 'If you are heading back that way, stick your head in and see if Kate is all right'.The 'missing 7 hours' that Pennington had just blown a huge hole in was instantly filled in again!"

Link naar het transscript: Channel 4: Dispatches 'Searching For Madeleine' De video's van dit programma zijn vanzelfsprekend niet meer te zien....Man man, wat een ge-etter om maar te proberen te verklaren dat Madeleine wel is gezien, door David Payne, omdat Pennigton's verhaal in elkaar klapte.... En zo heb ik meerdere tegenstrijdigheden gelezen maar het voert te ver deze allemaal op te sommen...

The Times schrijft, September 29, 2007: "The respected Diario de Noticias newspaper said that officers believed that Mrs McCann accidentally killed Madeleine while her husband was playing tennis. The child’s body then “passed through various locations” before going into the boot of the car hired by her parents 25 days later, it reported. As a result, detectives want to inspect fridges at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying with a group of seven British adults."

Opvallend is dat Amaral dit scenario in The Times, veel later, zo ongeveer in z'n boek beschrijft, behalve dat Madeleine mogelijk een tijd in een leeg huizenblok verbleef, na wat omzwerfingen. Ze waren met het onderzoek best al ver gekomen ondanks de tegenwerking maar toen werd alles gestopt en Amaral van de zaak gehaald.

Interessante observatie, naar aanleiding van het volgende artikel: Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol
Re: The paternity question
En een nogal boze maar toch begrijpelijke reactie: 29/08/08 Maddie Predators v. Money Predators

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Ik las net een nogal ontluisterend en zéér lezenswaardig artikel van George Moréas, een Frans schrijver en voormalig Judiciary Police Inspector, er staat één foutje in, Brian Kennedy is geen Amerikaan maar uit de UK, uit Edinburgh:
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30/08/08 The Mysterious Disappearance of Madeleine McCann by Georges Moréas
POLICEtcetera
Le blog de Georges Moréas (French)

George Moréas is an acclaimed book author and former French Judiciary Police Inspector

Translated to English by AnnaEsse from News From My Big Desk
Spanish Translation by Mercedes from Hasta que se Sepa La Verdad

The mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann, called Maddie, was nearly four years old. On the evening of May 3rd 2007, she disappeared from her bedroom in a luxury tourist complex, the Ocean Club, in the south of Portugal, where she was supposed to have been sleeping.

No one knows what has become of her since. Recently, the press echoed a statement from the Portuguese prosecutor: case closed. This news is probably unfounded. How can a magistrate, a police officer, allow the closing of a case without thinking of the victim, a child, almost a baby. And if she were alive!...The confusion comes, no doubt, from the order that there were no grounds to prosecute the three suspects.

THE FACTS: The Ocean Club tourist complex is a collection of buildings comprising a residential block, two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millennium, tennis courts, beach, etc.

On this evening, the McCanns are dining with their friends at the Tapas restaurant. At around 10pm, Kate McCann gets up from the table to go and see her children, as she usually does, to reassure herself that everything is fine. Her two little ones, the twins, are sound asleep, in their cots, in the living room*. Her daughter's bedroom door is not closed, which surprises her. She goes in: the window is open, the shutters are raised, Maddie has disappeared. (*It does say, "salon, and appears to be saying that Madeleine is in a different room from the twins. I have translated as it stands. )

She rushes back to the restaurant to alert her husband. Together they go back to the apartment, accompanied by their friends, and they only arrive at the obvious. So, they set out to explore the surrounding area.

This is the situation discovered by the first police officers on the spot. Everything leads them to believe that the child has run off. She may not be far away. Searches are organised.

Shortly afterward, the PJ director for Lisbon, receives a call on his mobile phone from the British ambassador. His caller asks him if he is aware that a British child has disappeared.....He goes into action. You can imagine the torrent of phone calls that follows this intervention.

THE INITIAL FINDINGS: There is no disorder in the bedroom where the child was sleeping. The bed is not disturbed. There is no evidence of a break-in, neither on the window, nor on the shutters, nor on the door. A local enquiry turns up witnesses, Irish holiday-makers, who say that shortly after 10 o'clock, they saw a man carrying a child, whose description corresponds perfectly to Madeleine's: face, hair, clothes. Now there is hardly any doubt: this is an abduction. The alert is put out.

THE PJ'S INVESTIGATION: The PJ officers collect witness statements from hundreds of people, and as a priority, from the parents and their friends. Very quickly, they come across certain contradictions between them. For example, a woman states that she went past the apartment earlier in the evening and noticed that the bedroom shutters were closed. But, Kate McCann states the window was open and the shutters pushed up. And the investigators find no evidence of tampering.

Furthermore, the shutters can only be opened from the inside. Can you imagine an individual entering by the door, using a pick lock, and going out through through the window, with his victim, after having opened the shutters? And also, the child's bed is not disturbed, as though no one has slept in it. Intrigued, the police officers examine the mobile phones of each of the McCanns: the call history has been erased. Astonishing to think of emptying the memory of your mobile phone when your child has just been kidnapped! But the PJ officers are struggling to do their job. The pressure quickly becomes unbearable.

Little Maddie disappeared on the Thursday evening. On the Friday, the British ambassador, John Buck, is on the spot, accompanied by big-shot police officers and lawyers. And on the Saturday, three British police officers arrive in their turn, in theory to assist their Portuguese colleagues. The contact is not good. The local police officers feel belittled. However, having been involved with the training of Portuguese police officers, I can guarantee that they have no reason to envy either the French or the British - except perhaps certain technical resources.

The working conditions are as follows: 150 Portuguese police officers, three British police officers, authorities, diplomats, and journalists...everywhere. Not the ideal for an investigation. On the Saturday, the PJ director from Faro, tells the press: "It is an abduction." At the same time the McCann couple launch their desperate appeal before the television cameras. It is even said that the police are holding a sketch of the kidnapper, but it will not be published to avoid putting the child's life at risk. A little late, no, to think of the young victim!

During this political, media-staged bustling, the head of the investigation, Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral begins to entertain another possibility. He thinks the McCanns' behaviour is not, "natural." Otherwise, why refuse to participate in a reconstruction of the evening? He finds that certain witness statements do not correspond and that it is becoming impossible to determine where anyone was at any time. Thus, an implausible detail emerges when the Irish witness indicates that after seeing Gerry McCann on television, he positively identified him: this was the man he saw with Maddie in his arms, on the Thursday, at around 10pm. Yes, but at that time, the child's father was in the restaurant with his friends...

Amaral is skeptical. He feels that there is a certain degree of connivance amongst this group of friends. Would they be lying? He goes back to the initial findings and he examines the places from a different angle - as he would do it for a crime scene. The little girl's death becomes the working hypothesis for the investigators.

EVIDENCE OR PRESUMPTIONS: A suspect is arrested. He is a British national living a hundred metres from the leisure centre. I will not give his name as he has taken action against newspapers which said, "certain things," about him, and the press barons backed down. It is said that he banked 750,000¤.

Meanwhile, dogs trained to detect certain odours, notably those of blood or cadavers, are brought in. They detect traces inside the apartment, in the couple's bedroom and in the dining room; as well as outside the building. More disquieting, the dogs alert on the child's soft toy and on clothes belonging to her mother. The dogs are placed near a car rented by theMcCanns , and they sniff suspicious odours there too. But this vehicle was actually hired after the little girl's disappearance! On the other hand, the dogs detect nothing, either in the car of the British man under investigation, or at his home.

The vice tightens on the McCanns.

In the places marked by the dogs, minute organic fragments are gathered for DNA comparison with Madeleine's (from samples of saliva on her bed covers). The analyses are done in Great Britain. When the results come out, there is no longer any doubt: There are 15 identical markers in the two DNAs. It is the little girl.

At the beginning of September, the McCann couple are placed under investigation, but left at liberty. The press reports that they are suspected of having concealed their daughter's body after an accidental death - there is talk of the administration of a sedative that was too powerful (the parents are both doctors) - and that they would have got rid of it afterward by transporting it in a vehicle rented for that purpose.

Meanwhile, this case has taken on an international dimension. The McCanns have called the English Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the investigation is followed more closely by the governments of both countries. The press is unleashed. The parents set themselves up as the victims of a bigoted, even backward, police force. The British newspapers really lay into the investigators, who are looking at the parents instead of searching for the missing child. The English police officers, who are involved with the investigation (and who, in theory, have no power to intervene) do nothing to put things right. The public is gripped by this mysterious story - charged with emotion. A support fund is set up. Brian Kennedy, an American Millionaire offers his services.

He takes on the costs of the lawyers and the private investigators. It's even said that he goes to meet some of the witnesses. Does that have anything to do with the fact that afterwards most of them refused to go back and participate in a reconstruction? The atypical Virgin boss also puts his hand in his pocket. It is interesting to note that all this energy, all this money, is essentially used to defend the suspects.

New DNA research is carried out by the forensic laboratories in Birmingham, taking the opposite view to the first evaluation. It is said that the samples harvested (by the Portuguese police) were allegedly mixed...

Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral requests another other evaluation. Impossible, the English tell him, the samples have been destroyed, or lost, we don't exactly know, by the laboratory. Amaral can't take any more. All this hooha , this persistent pressure from the bosses, political authorities, the media, is preventing him from working properly. He is taken to task, criticised, watched closely...Even his British colleagues are causing trouble for him. Exasperated, he lets go in the press. It is a mistake, because his bosses jump at the chance. He is transferred.

Gonçalo Amaral has written a book, "The Truth of the Lie," which is out now in Portugal. Bet there will be some interesting details in it. At least if it is translated into French. Will the press, already scalded by this case, pick up on it? Not certain! The McCanns have clearly implied that their lawyers were ready to take action.

To go back to the DNA, in France, unless I am mistaken, 13 identical markers between two DNA profiles, is sufficient in law. So, if the events had taken place here, first of all the evaluation would not have been done in Great Britain, but in a French laboratory, and then the McCanns would have been placed under investigation and most certainly placed in preventive detention - and only the judge would have been able to decided on a second evaluation.

Which goes to show that scientific evidence, even the most sophisticated, doesn't depend on a mathematical formula, but on human judgement.

THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARENTS: I must say that the behaviour of the McCanns compared to that of other parents placed in such a painful situation is....different. From the start, they looked down on the Portuguese police officers. They lied on certain points and right away, they looked for support from their country's authorities. As if they felt threatened! Were they caught up in the media machine? The support fund which they set up (and which can be found on Google's business pages) collected around 1.5 million euros. However, one of the first expenses incurred by that fund was to make two monthly payments concerning the purchase of their house. It is said that 600,000 euros was paid out to settle the fees of private detectives, who turned out to be crooks. One of them even stated that he had infiltrated a Belgian paedophile network... In their defence, they have guaranteed that they have not used that money to pay the fees of the lawyers who are covering their defence.

These folks have mobilised around themselves so many people, so many of the smart set we might say, from politics and business.....that we can only wonder. Are they part of a network? Of a lodge? Of a sect? Of a clan?....

THE STATE OF THE INVESTIGATION: The McCann couple not having requested the continuation of the investigation, it is officially over. As things stand, there is a 4 year-old kid, probably dead; and three suspects who have been let off. One, the neighbour, suspected because of his past, but against whom there seems to be no evidence; and the parents...

There is evidence that they lied in their first statements to the police, notably about how they spent their time, apparently in connivance with their friends. They couldn't explain the presence of traces of blood or cadaver odour, particularly in the vehicle they had hired, three weeks after the events. Even if in law the second DNA evaluation negates the first, it is not entirely convincing. The experts are happy to conclude that they cannot use the gathered samples they were sent, because they were contaminated. And even if we consider that the two evaluations were contradictory, which one should we believe? The destruction of the samples makes any confirmation impossible.

And after this hullabaloo, Maddie joins the long list of missing children.



CONCLUSION: Everyone can think what they like, but Portuguese law considers that there is no charge against anyone, not any proof, not any evidence. They have, "archived," the case, as they say there.

It is astonishing. But I believe it's a good way to start over in a more calm way. In fact, nothing is stopping the investigators from, "discreetly," continuing their investigations. Portuguese procedure allows the reopening of the case at any moment, if someone brings a new element to it.

What is striking in this case, is that there is a lot of talk about money and very little about the young victim. Finally, one of the suspects pocketed 750,000 ¤ handed over by certain newspapers to avoid action for defamation, and the other two, the parents, have collected 1.5 million euros in a support fund. Not to mention the money spent by wealthy patrons. As for the Portuguese police officers, they were ridiculed.

It must stick in their throats... I'll bet they are not ready to forget it. by Joana Morais
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  maandag 1 september 2008 @ 12:20:55 #222
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Goedemiddag!

Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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Exclusive: Portuguese police turned down British help to find Maddy
By Jon Clements Crime Correspondent 1/09/2008



Maddy McCann's parents
Portuguese police turned down an offer to help find Madeleine McCann from Britain's most senior murder investigator, it has emerged.

Durham Chief Constable John Stoddart wanted to send a team of elite detectives to Praia da Luz after she went missing in 2007.

But Stoddart, chair of the Association of Chief Police Officers' Homicide Working Group, was "disappointed" when the Policia Judiciaria vetoed the idea.

He said: "I would like to have sent a team out there to provide some support to the investigation team.

"I'm disappointed that we couldn't help out. I think we would have provided some expert advice and support."

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "It is not surprising. However, our own investigations continue and we are following up several leads."
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Goedemiddag!

Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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Goeiemiddag Kahaarin en meelezers. Ach ja, de Britse media weigeren in de files te duiken en te distilleren wat er allemall niet klopt, lijkt Rusland wel! En idd wat een l*lbericht in The Mirror, vooral als men beseft dat men helemaal niet gericht was én is naar het zoeken van Madeleine, zij moet vooral niet gevonden worden...imo, de restanten, sorry dat dit hard overkomt maar dat is zelfs wat de PJ denkt/meent. What a scam...

Op de site van Joana Morais staat nu een filmpje over dat fonds, dat wisten we al wel natuurlijk maar nuttig omdat toch weer even te zien....01/09/08 Filmpje duurt 4 min. 12 Het fonds werd op 15 mei 2007 geregistreerd, maar het opzetten van de website werd al op 6 mei, nog geen 3 dagen na de vermissing, in gang gezet: "On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as xxx.bringmadeleinehome.com." Bron Ipv www heb ik kruisjes neergezet, ik promoot geen bezoekersaantallen naar hun site...

En hoe de site ook alweer werd opgezet: 'Sol then spoke to Callum McRae who set up and admisnisters the website. "On the findmadeleine.com site there is an online store, where Gerry and Kate sell yellow rubber bracelets and textile bands, to help finance the cause. Callum McRae, the author of the site, says it was the couple’s idea. Speaking to SOL, McRae explains that the child’s aunt, Philomena McCann, asked him to create the internet page, just two days after the girl went missing. “She knew exactly what she wanted”, says Callum McRae, who created the contents in just one day.The McCann’s internet page also publicizes several fundraising events, all taking place in the UK, and some planned over 60 days ahead. To SOL, McRae, who was a student of Madeleine’s aunt in highschool, did not want to specify whether his work on the site is paid by the fund or not: “I’m not authorized to speak about that”. Bron

IMO, dan heb je ook geen plannen Madeleine te zoeken als je zelfs een soort winkeltje op de site zet, binnen een paar dagen ná de vermissing...

En verder: "According to an official of the Portuguese editor "Guerra e Paz", the book Gonçalo Amaral, the former head of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, will be published in Italian and Dutch." http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/

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Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.
Hoi Livelink, dat is ook één van de pijnlijke kwesties hieromtrent, naast natuurlijk de dood (IMO) van Madeleine, vanaf het begin waren mensen van hogerop er bij betrokken. Het voert te ver dat allemaal weer op te sommen maar de banden van Gerry McCann met de Britse overheid zijn stevig, bevriend met de broer van Gordon Brown, Andrew Brown. The Times: "Gordon Brown's younger brother Andrew is director of communications for the French power group in the UK. > EDF has been at the forefront of campaigning for new nuclear stations." En die broer heeft ook warme banden met de BBC en dus vermoederlijk ook met Clarence Mithell, ook voorheen BBC-journo. Gerry zelf was een verwoed Labour campaigner en hij heeft een medisch advies-functie voor de Britse overheid bij Comare (banden met EDF, dus Andew Brown).

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En dan nu de eerste verklaring van Tapasvriendin Rachel Oldfield, de echtgenote van Mike Oldfield. dd 4-5-2007 en wel 's avonds om 19h20. < Handig voor overleg met manlief die 's morgens om 11h30 een verklaring mocht afleggen. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com, waar alle verklaringen zijn te vinden en up to date gehouden naarmate er meer verklaringen uit het Portugees worden vertaald en gepubliceerd:
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Rachael Oldfield's interview on 04 May 2007

Interview with Rachael Mariamma Jean Mampilly (Oldfield).

On the subject we note that.

Being a British citizen and not understanding the Portuguese language, in spoken or written form, the undersigned was accompanied by a sworn translator: Filipa M.C.S. The interview begins at 19h20 on May 4th 2007.

Since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, she has been on holiday in Portugal at the Ocean Club tourist complex in Praia da Luz, accompanied by her husband Matthew Oldfield. They traveled from London to Faro airport with their daughter Grace, aged 19 months. This trip was organised for a group of nine adults and eight children. Her husband and her daughter are part of the group:

* The couple, Russell O'Brien and Jane Michelle Tanner, with their daughters, Ella aged three and a half and Evie aged 19 months.
* David and Fiona Payne with their daughters Lily aged three years and Scarlett aged 12 months.
* Gerald (Gerry) McCann and Kate MCann with their twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 26 months and Madeleine aged 4 years.

Also in their group is Diane Webster, Fiona Payne's mother.

The holiday was organised because the men in the group are all doctors, apart from Fiona Payne and Kate McCann who worked together for a long time. These shared holidays are usually organised for the whole group, although for the last holiday, last September, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann did not go to Greece with the group.

The interviewee has known the couple, Gerry and Kate, since 2003. Her husband, Matthew, knew them from before. On arrival at the airport, they were transported in a, "Mark Warner," company bus. There were other people on the bus apart from the group. They were put up at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The couples had their own, individual apartments, at the same complex, with their respective children. Since their arrival until yesterday evening, when Madeleine disappeared, the days have all been the same.

After breakfast, taken between 08h00 and 09h00 in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11h00 and 12h00. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, Grace, for lunch. She made Grace's lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch on the beach.

All members of the group did their shopping at the only supermarket near the complex, the "Baptiste."

She never saw any suspicious attention, or ever had suspicions about anybody she came across, either in their independent activities or in the group with their children.

Her relationship with the couple, Gerry and Kate, is one of good friendship and they meet up occasionally at celebrations, weddings and birthdays.

Concerning Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.

TAPAS

They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 60 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance.

Yesterday, at around 08h45, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 09h15, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 09h30, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, Evie, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.

At around 10h00, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. The surrounding area was combed after having checked that Madeleine was not hiding in the apartment. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move.

The interviewee has nothing else to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.

The interviewee remembers that Kate said the window at the front of the apartment was open, the shutters raised. The couple had never opened the shutters during their stay.
En verder heeft Clarence Mitchell een nieuwe baan voor een jaar: McCanns' spokesman to join Freud Communications met wat gerelateerde artikelen over de connecties tussen dit bedrijf en media-tycoon Rupert Murdoch, eigenaar van onder meer SKY en nog tig andere media-bedrijven.

Oveigens blijft Mitchell nog wel pr-man voor de McCanns en tevens andere vermiste kindjes: "He will continue to advise the McCanns, parents of missing child Madeline McCann, on a monthly retainer basis." Bron Zou Mitchell nog wel op de payroll staan bij Brian Kennedy....? Toch wat barstjes binnen het team McCann?

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Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.

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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:25 schreef Suko het volgende:
Wat ik al eerder vermoedde (in een eerder artikel waarbij alleen een woordvoorder stond vermeld), Clarence Mitchell wordt niet langer betaald door Brian Kennedy maar krijgt maandelijks (zie bericht hierboven) een bedrag uit het Madeleine Fonds: "He stresses that he will still represent the McCanns, whose daughter went missing almost a year-and-a-half ago, and adds that he will be paid on a retainer basis from the "Find Madeleine" fund. "Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn't needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense," he says." Telegraph Dat zullen de oprechte eenvoudige gulle gevers 'fijn' vinden, naast die PI's (waarvan niemand weet of ze echt wat doen....) wordt nu dus ook een PR-man uit het Fonds betaald die niets anders doet dan verhaaltjes rondstrooien.
Goedemiddag!

En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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Madeleine McCann: GMTV Tears To Entertain, Jade Goody And Clarence Mitchell PR
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “Real victims who reduced me to tears”

Fiona Philips – ‘the woman with the whitest teeth and yellowest hair in daytime telly’ – “on GMTV heartaches and meltdowns”

Fiona Philips is fighting the tears as Helen Newlove, whose husband Garry has been murdered, is sat on the sofa to tell her story.

Tears are the new laughter.

She has quizzed everyone from Prime Ministers to popstars, but it has been real people like Helen, those who have achieved the extraordinary or faced tragedy and heartache, who have had the biggest impact on her.

Are you crying yet? GMTV – Greally Moving Television.

Kate and Gerry McCann’s visit to publicise the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Sara Payne’s tireless campaigning since her daughter Sarah’s murder. And Mark Prince, dad of promising young footballer Kiyan, 15, who was stabbed to death in May 2006.

Cry. Cry. Cry.

“Meeting people like that is very humbling,” she says. “They are what have kept me in the job for so long. Just seeing the McCanns made me feel tearful.”

Where’s there’s tears, there’s brass…

“I went in to see Kate while she was in makeup and I could barely find the words. I just said: ‘I don’t know what to say.’ You can actually see the tragedy in their demeanour. They carry it with them wherever they go. They are parents who are grieving and Kate is remarkable. I have no idea how she’s managed to cope.”

Cry. Like Heather Mills…

“We sat down in the dressing room and she poured her heart out about everything. The vilification of her and all the frustrations of her relationship with Sir Paul. “Heather had been pushed to the edge. It was shocking, awful to see someone break down like that. She was talking and talking and I had to get back to the sofa and get on with my job. In the end I said: ‘Heather, I’ve really got to go.’ And she left.

Crying…

Although horrified by Jade Goody’s behaviour on Celebrity Big Brother last year, Fiona has been moved by news that the reality star is battling cervical cancer.

Next on GMTV, we have Jeremiah… Where’s it hurt, Jerry..?

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCanns’ man now speaks for Freud. Kate and Gerry McCann’s once ubiquitous spokesman - has accepted a job with a PR company”

Clarence Mitchell gets work. It’s all PR, you know…

“I’m going to specialise in crisis management for a range of clients which might include businesses, football clubs or even showbiz personalities,” says the former BBC reporter. “I want to broaden out my portfolio of interests.”

Do you have a problem? Are you in crisis? Call Clarence and he’ll do the PR (POA)…

“Kate and Gerry are happy for me to do this, it became clear that I wasn’t needed on a full-time basis to work for them anymore so this move makes sense,” he says.

NEW SCIENTIST: “Genetic data withdrawn amid privacy concerns”

A new method of forensic DNA analysis has created an unexpected headache for scientists investigating the genetic roots of common diseases.

David Craig of the Translational Genomics Research Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, has designed a statistical method that allows the identification of individual DNA profiles from a mixture of DNA of more than 1000 people.

The danger is that the method allows possible violations of the privacy of volunteers in genetic studies. To avoid this, research organisations led by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) have abruptly pulled genome data from off the web.

Craig’s method uses sophisticated algorithms to analyse between 10,000 and 50,000 genetic variants called single-nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs. These can be detected using standard DNA microarray “chips”

And…

Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched.

Madeleine McCann: On it goes…
Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemiddag!

En dit zie je ook heel erg terug in het rondje Anorak:
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Er wordt alleen maar over PR en optredens gesproken en mensen lopen weg met de slachtoffers omdat het TV oplevert, een soort van real live soap met familie van vermiste/dode mensen.
Ik denk dat op deze manier het juist tegengewerkt wordt dat de vermiste slachtoffers gevonden worden, dat levert immers minder TV op, dan is het verhaal immers uit.
Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...

En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!

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Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
FOK!'s rode weduwe.
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 22:28 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Suko, ik zou graag mijn tanden zetten(grr) in de boekhouding van dat fonds...
Ha ha Tmaatje, ja dat willen wel meer mensen, ik geloof dat pas in maart volgend jaar er verantwoording wordt afgelegd want met het wisselen van een aantal board-members begin dit jaar en wat toevoegingen wat betreft doelstellingen e.d. werd de termijn verlengd waarin inzage van de boeken verplicht is, dat meen ik mij te herinneren van een boekhoudkundige op het (inmiddels alleen voor geregistreerden) 3arguidoforum. En verder de verklaring van Catriona Baker, nanny in de Ocean Club, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Statement from Catriona Baker

By Paulo Reis, Gazeta Digital

At Leicestershire Police, April 14, 2008 (resume):

Went to Portugal in March 2006 and worked at Ocean Club Village, than changed to Mark Warner's Ocean Club, in June 2006. There are seven "Kids Clubs", at Ocean Club, according to the children's ages, and about 16 nannies. She was living at a home within a 10 minute walk from the Ocean Club. Met Gerry and Kate in the morning of April 29, 2007, first time they took the children to the crèches Madeleine McCann was put under her responsibility, in the "Minis Club", with Ella, Jane Tanner's daughter.

The McCanns daily routine: Kate and Gerry took Madeleine to the crèche every morning, came back at lunch time, and after "high tea". She met Gerry more times, because he went to take Madeleine more frequently than Kate.

On May 3, 2007 she remembers that Gerry McCann took Madeleine to the crèche, between 9:15/9:20 am. She doesn't remember who took Madeleine out from the "Minis Club", for lunch, that day. Around 2:45 pm, Madeleine returned from lunch, but Catriona doesn't remember who took her to the crèche. In the afternoon, the children went swimming. Between 3:35/6:00 pm, May 3, Kate went to the area near Tapas Bar, and she took Madeleine with her. Kate was wearing a sports outfit and Catriona thought she had been jogging. She believes Gerry was playing tennis.

After her shift finished she went home. Around 10:30/10:35 pm, May 3, two room-mates came and told her that Madeleine was missing. She went out and helped in the searches, around the resort and onto the beach. She didn't see Gerry and Kate, on that night.

Mark Warner has a rule concerning the children's crèches: there is a registration sheet and the parents must sign it, when they leave and they take the children. Only parents can take the children, unless there is a previous communication that another identified person will do it. Thursday morning, May 3, all the children of the "Minis Club" went to the beach.

Mark Warner transferred Catriona Baker from the Ocean Club to another country one week after Madeleine disappeared on May 13, 2007. She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family.
Ik voeg daar zelf het volgende aan toe uit een eerdere post:
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in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron
IMO een te verwaarlozen verklaring als je eerst je eigen verklaring mag terug zien alvorens opnieuw gehoord te worden, ongelofelijk...

En dat deze nanny dit in deze verklaring verklaard: 'She never noticed anything strange about Madeleine's behaviour or in the relations she had with her parents, they looked a very happy family." Klopt niet helemaal, uit een eerdere post:
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Katriona (sic) Baker, a British citizen who worked as a nanny at the tourist resort Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, and cared for missing Madeleine McCann for several days, does not spare criticism towards the child’s parents in the statement that she gave to the English authorities.

The nanny said that she only looked after the little girl during the day and remembers that Maddie cried a lot during a boat ride in Praia da Luz and screamed "I'm scared, I'm scared", failing to understand the reasons for the fact.

And she adds: she says that as soon as she heard about the disappearance of the child she ran through all of the places where Maddie usually went when she stayed at the crèche that exists at the Ocean Club; she guarantees that she saw neither Kate nor Gerry that evening, only seeing them again on the following Saturday (Maddie went missing on Thursday). One of the questions that the PJ asked from Kate, and to which there was no answer, was related to the reasons why she stayed at home while the searches were carried out.


Toetje, mogelijk is dit één van de redenen waarom de Leicestershire Police zo op de hand is van de McCanns: één van directors van het Fonds was Philip Tomlinson, a retired solicitor and former coroner in Leicestershire, appointed 20 June 2007 - No. of Company appointments: 5; (Resigned) replaced by Jon Corner, film producer and friend of the McCanns. Bron Ongetwijfeld heeft deze man veel te maken gehad met kwesties die onder de Leicestershire Police vallen en kende hij de McCanns, zeker Kate als huisarts (voor anderhalve dag) die mogelijk met doodsoorzaken te maken heeft gehad. Er zaten tenslotte volgens haar nog sporen op Cuddle Cat (gevonden door de snuffelhonden) van eerdere doden, zes maar liefst! Kan daar even een onderzoekje naar gedaan worden, 6 dooien voor een huisarts die anderhalve dag werkt...

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Nu ik het toch over die Leicesterhire Police heb, soms is het jammer dat het 3arguidoforum met alles over deze kwestie alleen nog is te lezen voor geregistreerden, maar gelukkig zijn er op andere blogs, interessante berichten van dat forum overgenomen, zoals deze, bron:
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02/09/08 Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



Call for Public Enquiry: List of Leicestershire Constabulary "errors" in McCann case



This is copied from a thread on The 3 Arguido's forum:

A.With holding 2 testimonies about one of the Tapas 7?
1. KM friends about Payne
2. Social Worker Testimony about Payne

B. Witness Tampering?
1. Russel O Brien allowed to view partners testimony
2. Technical failure on first interview with ROB - very convenient
3. Fire alarm 7 interruptions with JT interview - very convenient

C. Interference in Soverign Nations Police Force
1. LP with GB instrumental in Amaral's removal

D. Information requested
1. Not informing the Pj about 81 pieces of information
2. Medical records not sent
3. phone records not sent
4. financial details not sent (mortgage only)
5. K&G's background info requested 3rd May

E.Nepotism/Conflict of Interest
1. Link from Leicester Police website to McCann Fund
2. Gerry guest speaker at POLICE bravery awards. Given 60k and standing ovation.
3. Clarence Mitchell briefings with LP4.
4. Impersonating a police officer - CM

F. Perverting the Course of Justice
1. LP stated that there was no knowledge of debit or credit cards despite rental car having been hired.
2. Allowing member of British Public (Brian Kennedy) to personally interview UK witnesses
3. Advising McCanns that telephones were being intercepted updated

Links (to be updated as and when they occur)

* Gordon Brown has Gonçalo Amaral removed from investigation when he was "close to finding Maddie"
* Leicester police allowed Russell O'Brien to read his wifes statement before questioning
* Inquiries Act 2005
Ter verduidelijking:
LP = Leicestershire Police
GB = Cordon Brown
CM = Clarence Mitchell
ROB = Russell O'Brien (Tapasvriend)

Social Worker = "Yvonne Martin, a British Social Care worker on holiday in Luz, who also blamed the McCanns negligent behaviour."
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KM friends about Payne: 2 bevriende dokters zagen David Payne tijdens een eerdere vakantie obscene gebaren maken ivm Madeleine in aanwezigheid van Gerry McCann.
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Brian Kennedy heeft inderdaad o.a. Rober Murat en die Ierse familie Smit bezocht, zij menen Gerry McCann (toen hij van de vleigtuigtrap liep) te herkennen als degene die ze die nacht (vlak na de vermissing) hebben zien lopen met Madeleine in z'n armen.
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Sky News: Madeleine's Father Cheered By Police juli 2007
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Dat het maar weer even gezegd is, even die Britse coppers 'in het zonnetje' gezet...

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Apartement te koop in Praia da Luz...Iets voor de McCanns? O nee, ze zouden nooit meer naar Portugal gaan... Een snipper uit een artikel gelezen op de site van Joana Morais: House in Luz for sale - Correio da Manhã "According to local sources, it was with some relief that the Ocean Club management saw the responsibility for the apartment that the McCann family chose to spend their holidays, taken away. ‘The owners were very unhappy with everything that happened. They picked up the house keys and took care of everything privately, without the resort’s intervention’, they referred."

Overigens ben ik nog steeds van mening dat de eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool wél familie is van de McCanns. Het is mij iets te toevallig...Ook (vind ik een mafkees, maar goed...) Martin Brunt (Sky Bews) schreef er eerder over, een stukje, hij vroeg dit aan Clarence Mitchell op December 20, 2007:
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"I had to pester him for an answer, which only added to my suspicion that it was Gerry and Kate's second home and for some reason they had pretended it was a holiday rental. We finally nailed it. The place belongs to a Ruth McCann, a teacher in Liverpool (where Kate is from), who inherited it from her late husband.

She told us she was no relation to Madeleine's family and hoped she wouldn't be pestered after my inquiry. In fact, she was more interested in learning whether she was likely to get compensation from the police who have, at last, kept the apartment as a locked crime scene.

I say all this, in a half-hour programme that's running at Christmas, as an illustration of this strange story in which it's not difficult to get sucked into looking for suspicion where none may exist. The chance of the McCanns renting a holiday home from someone of the same name is 7,500-to-one.

That also means that there were probably three people called McCann at the Bruce Springsteen concert at the 23,000-seat O2 arena in Greenwich last night."
Een polletje, gelezen op mccannfiles.com: Guilty Focus magazine (no online link to magazine)
03 September 2008 Thanks to 'astro' for translation


Text from cover:

61 percent of the British and the Portuguese point their finger at the McCanns:

Maddie case - GUILTY - An international poll by Focus shows that England and Portugal have no doubts: Kate and Gerry McCann are responsible for their daughter's disappearance. And they believe that the little girl is dead.

What is coming in the Maddie case - The counter-attack by Gonçalo Amaral - Deceived McCann couple loses half their fortune.

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  woensdag 3 september 2008 @ 12:53:32 #234
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Zo is dat Kahaarin, hoi trouwens. Maar dat laatste uit jouw artikel is ook interessant: "Craig suggests that the technique might find use in high-profile missing-persons cases – such as the 2007 disappearance in Portugal of the British girl Madeleine McCann. In such investigations, he says, it might reveal whether the person had been present in a particular location, from DNA left behind on surfaces they touched." Natuurlijk heeft het wereldberoemde toonaagevenden Britse lab FSS ook deze techniek in huis en natuurlijk konden ze bewijzen welke DNA-sporen (naast die 15 van de 19 markers van Madeleine) van wie waren, maar met name dát stukje haar met DNA is weg, mogelijk vernietigd, de FSS zelf meldt door het testen verloren gegaan en de rest van het DNA kan van iedereen zijn. Tjonge jonge, en iedereen (met name de Britse pers) vreet dit antwoord en gaat over tot de orde van de dag, met nog meer zeikverhalen, selling sob-stories, selling total crap...
Goedemiddag!
Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
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En verder vraag ik mij toch af waarom geldschieterd Brian Kennedy niet meer Clarence Mitchell in dienst heeft. Kan niet anders of er is een enorme clash geweest tussen hen. K&G zijn blij hem maandelijks uit het fonds een bedrag toe te schuiven, i wonder why....Als je echt eerlijk bent dan zou je dat geld (wat voor de zoektocht naar Madeleine is bestemd) niet moeten willen hebben, maar ja, net wat ik schrijf, als je echt eerlijk bent. Persoonlijk denk ik dat het een zoethoudertje is om z'n mond te houden, de man weet veel, heel veel dus zomaar hem uitsluiten lijkt onmogelijk. Maar het is wel duidelijk dat hij de zaak, met al die nonsens en pr-geteut, geen goed heeft gedaan, wie gelooft hem en de McCanns nog, geen hond toch, woef!
Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
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Op woensdag 3 september 2008 12:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemiddag!
Tja, die zitten onder de plak, hoe en wat is me nog steeds een raadsel maar goed.
Tot nog toe vandaag op de news-now site helemaal geen berichten, even een beetje bezinning oid?
Die DNA-sporen zijn verdonkeremaand, die zijn weggemoffeld hup onder het kleed.
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Ik denk ook dat er een ruzie is geweest en dat hij nu op deze manier afgekocht is, de laatste tijd heb ik ook geen foto's zien opduiken met Clarrie yussen K&G ingepropt, Kennedy zal wrs nu zo langzamerhand ook eieren voor zijn geld kiezen en wil wrs niet langer met dit circus geassocieerd worden.
Hajo Kahaarin. Kan idd best zijn dat Brian Kennedy het ook goed zat is, maar ja, hij staat wel garant voor het Fonds en ik heb een vaag vermoeden dat ook hij niet geheel vrij is van...uhm ja, dat weet ik nog niet maar waarom steek je je nek zo uit, wat voor belang zit daar achter? Inmiddels zijn er nu wel eental koppen in de kranten over de verkoop van dat apartement, ook van NewsMow, dus Anorak, een fragment:
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DAILY MAIL: “Holiday apartment where Madeleine McCann went missing goes on sale for £250,000”

The infamous holiday flat where Madeleine McCann vanished has been put up for sale for £250,000.

Can a flat be “infamous”? It was the flat wot dunnit?

Potential buyers could begin viewing the flat from as early as next week, raising the possibility of voyeurs keen to see where the three-year-old disappeared looking round.

Dreadful. Better to just look around the property on the Mail’s website.

Flat 5A at the Ocean Club holiday complex has two bedrooms, measures 90 metres squared and is 20 years old. It is 500 metres from the beach.

Compact. Bijou. And handy for an abduction, allegedly… Does Our Maddie make it more or less valuable?
Wrang maar waar. Eigenaresse Ruth McCann uit Liverpool is vast wél familie, de prijs is aardig gestegen....

Inmiddels staat de best wel uitgebreide poll van Focus online, op de site van Joana Morais: Maddie case: Guilty - Focus 61% say that they are guilty. Het voert te ver (imo) dit hele artikel hier te plaatsen maar interessant is wel dat meer Britten de McCanns geloven dat de Portugezen, een fragment:
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an article by: João Vasco Almeida

The first international poll about the Maddie case, done by Focus, reveals that both Portuguese and British are certain that Kate and Gerry McCann are guilty over their daughter’s disappearance. Concerning the little girl’s destiny, the numbers are even colder: She is dead.

The number is crushing: more than two thirds of the British and the Portuguese population blame the McCann couple for the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, aged three, on the 3rd of May 2008 [sic], from an apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve. An opinion poll that was commended to Eurosondagem by Portuguese Focus, and carried out in Portugal, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland leaves no margin for doubts. Despite the behavioural and cultural differences, the majority of populations replies affirmatively to two of the most direct questions of this inedited poll.

Nevertheless, when the numbers are evaluated according to nationalities, it becomes clear that in Portugal the blame that is popularly attributed to the McCanns rises to 77.5 percent. This means that only 22% of the population still believes that the Scottish couple has no responsibility in the disappearance of their eldest daughter.

The British, on the other hand, are divided, although the majority agrees with the Portuguese. The majority, 44.6 percent, states without a doubt that doctors Kate and Gerry are guilty over the disappearance of little Maddie.

The first question of the poll is unequivocal. In both countries, all the persons say that they know what happened on the 3rd of May. This means that it is not necessary to explain the McCann couple’s drama to anyone. Everyone, really everyone knows.

What divides the Portuguese and the British is the belief in Maddie’s destiny. While in Portugal it is believed that the child is dead, far away there is a hope that she is well. The abduction theory collects the sympathy of 72.9 percent of the British, against only 11 percent that sustain the death theory. But it is significant that 15 percent of the British wish to reply “I don’t know” to the question concerning the cause of the disappearance. De vragen e.d. >>>
Met nog een nieuwtje, nou ja nieuwtje..."Meanwhile, Focus knows that during the first weeks of September, the couple’s Portuguese lawyers are going to make a statement concerning the book by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral and announce which are the next steps that are to be made. On the other hand, Gonçalo Amaral is also waiting for September in order to decide whether he advances a process against the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, or writes a new book." Moet ik nog zien of dat echt gaat plaatsvinden, die aanklacht van de McCanns bedoel ik,
maar...let's have it!

Tenslotte, take note K&G McCann, how lucky you are you are, getting away with it ....over een meisje van 3jr:THE appearance of a semi-clothed toddler alone in a busy shopping street has sparked alarm. "After the Madeleine McCann situation, everyone should be aware that child protection is the very highest priority – doors must be locked out of a child’s reach – anything could have happened.” A police spokeswoman said: “It’s a very alarming incident. We were alerted of the girl at Talbot Green police station and have passed the matter on to social services. “ We will continue to look into it to see if a criminal offence has been committed.”

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En dan nu de verklaring van Dianne Webster, moeder van Fiona Payne, op 04 May 2007 om 20h45. Een grote snipper, de hele verklaring staat op mccannfiles:
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She states that the McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine, nearly four years. She thinks the idea of coming to Portugal came from her daughter. She believes her daughter knows Portugal.

The informant arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12h20/12h30 from Leicestershire to Faro and then to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club they they used the airport's shuttle service. After checking in, she was placed in apartment G5H with her family. (Her daughter, her son-in-law and their two small children)

Concerning the usual routines, the informant states that she only spent part of each afternoon with her family and that not always. Sometimes she read, she went shopping or did other things. As for the mornings, she only had lunch one day with her family, Wednesday, because it was raining. On the other days, she spent the mornings playing tennis.

Concerning the day yesterday, she went to the beach with the children, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 15h45 and left at around 18h15 to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 19h00. The informant then went to the apartment with the small children and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children.

They left the apartment at around 20h45 and accompanied by her son-in-law and her daughter, they went to join the rest of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant. The McCann couple were amongst the other friends at dinner. To our question, the informant told us that given that her daughter had an intercom allowing them to hear if the children were shouting or crying, no one went to check on the spot. However, she reported that Kate and Gerald as well as other couples went a few times, on a regular basis, to make sure their children were OK. During one of these checks, Kate came back, frightened and nervous, even panicked, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.

They immediately organised search parties, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding in there, then outside. In spite of help from the Ocean Club's employees, the searches were fruitless. The informant does not know Madeleine well, because she lives a long way from the McCanns, and she cannot say very much about Madeleine's personality. Nevertheless, she reports that Madeleine was calm but active and energetic and well brought up. She is an attractive and a good child.

During this holiday, she has noticed nothing unusual or which could be linked to the investigation. She has no other details to add. After reading with the interpreter, who explains to her, she goes on and signs.
Haar dochter Fiona legde om 7.20pm een verklaring af en schoonzoon David Payne werd 's middags 14h45 gehoord, ook allebei op 4-5-2007. Theoretisch gezien heeft David Payne de tijd gehad zijn vrouw en schoonmoeder te informeren wat hij eerder die dag heeft verklaard.
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Tony Bennett heeft wat verschillen gevonden in deze verklaring van Diana Webster:
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1. Did they really stay at the beach from 3.45pm to 6.15pm? No, they were filmed on CCTV at the Paraiso at between 5pm and 6pm (see August News of the World article).

2. No mention of seeing Kate jogging at around 5.20pm as some of the other 'Tapas 9' claim.

3. She is vague about her separation from David and Fiona at 7.00pm. Did all three of them stay on the tennis court until 7.00pm? She does not say so.

4. She says she returns to the flat with her grandchildren. She does not mention Fiona.

5. She says David came back at 7.10pm. Once again she does not mention Fiona.

6. So where was Fiona?

7. She makes no mention of (a) Gerry McCann asking David Payne to visit Kate McCann nor (b) of David going up to the McCanns' apartment at around 6.20pm/6.30pm

8. Her statement does not exclude the possibility that she did not see David between 6.15pm and 7.10pm - nearly an hour. Where exactly was he?

9. This is a very 'spare' statement with very little detail given. I might characterise and describe it as: 'evasive'
Waar Tony dat restaurant Paraiso noemt is inderdaad waar, Diana Webster zegt daar niks over, niemand trouwens, men zou zich kunnen afvragen of onderstaande afbeelding, genomen van CCTV-beelden, van dit samenzijn in het restaurant Paraiso wel op 3 mei heeft plaatsgevonden, een datum veranderen is niet zo moelijk...



De tot nu toe gegeven verklaringen staan allemaal op mccannfiles.com

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De volgende vragen werden verzonden aan diegene die met Gerry en Kate McCann in het Tapasrestaurant hebben gegeten op 3 mei 2007, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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What detectives asked the Tapas Seven Sky News

4:05pm UK, Tuesday August 05, 2008

Detectives in Portugal sent through a series of questions to all those who had dinner with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night Madeleine disappeared.

Here is a list of what they were sent:

1. How long have you known Gerald McCann and Kate Healy (Kate's maiden name) and in what capacity?

2. Have you seen Kate and Gerald at home with their children?

3. Have you been on holiday with them before? If yes can you describe how they looked after the children of an evening/night?

4.How often did you see Gerald and Kate during your holiday April 28 - May 3?

5. How often did you see their children: Madeleine, Sean and Amelie?

6. Did you have any concerns about the children in any way?

7. When was the last time you saw Madeleine?

8. On Thursday May 3 when did you see Kate and Gerald?

9. At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on May 3? Who was already there?

10. What were Kate and Gerald doing when you arrived?

11. Did you speak with Kate and Gerald?

12. How were they behaving?

13. Who left the table during the meal and to do what?

14. Did you see Gerald leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

15. Did you see Jane leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when she came back? Was her behaviour or attitude different when she returned?

16. Did you see Matthew leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he away? When did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

17. Did you see Russell leave the table? At what time? How long was he away? What did he say when he came back? Was his behaviour or attitude different when he returned?

18. Did you see Kate leave the table during the meal? At what time? How long was she away? What did she say when he came back? How did she look and behave? Where you shocked at what she said? What did you do?

19. Did you go to the McCann apartment? Did you go into the bedroom where the children were sleeping? Can you describe what you saw? Did you see the twins? Did you notice anything unusual about them?

20. What did you do next? Did you take part in any further searches? Who were you with?

21. How did Gerry react when Madeleine was not found in the first 10 minutes?

22. How do you think they were behaving considering Madeleine was gone?

23. What did you do between 10.30pm and 10am the next morning? Who did you see?

24. Who did you speak to?

25. When did you leave Portugal? How often did you see Kate and Gerry? How do you think Kate and Gerald were behaving for parents who had lost a child?

26.Did you see either Kate or Gerry speaking to anyone on holiday that you did not know?

27. Did you see either Kate or Gerald in a car during the holiday.
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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?
Hier is je antwoord, maar meer in het algemeen, ik kan mij die oproep nog herinneren, dat vakantiegangers foto's konden opsturen. "British police from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Agency (Ceop) have so far received more than 500 images which they plan to cross-reference against a database of pictures of UK paedophiles and other criminals." 25 May 2007 BBC De link om foto's up te loaden: http://www.madeleine.ceopupload.com/

Maar dan...
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Your photographs have never reached the Portuguese interviewers SOSMaddie (French language site)
Duarte Levy & Paulo Reis 04.09.2008
To date, the PJ have not received a single photo as a result of the appeal launched by Leicestershire Police who asked holidaymakers who had stayed in PdL to send copies of any photos taken during the 2 weeks prior to Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

The appeal was launched jointly by Leicestershire Police CEOP and ACPO. According to a source close to the UK enquiry several hundred photos reached the British authorities, most of which were uploaded to internet pages created specifically for this purpose.

"We will evaluate these images - at a rate of 1,000 frames per hour - so that we can pass on any significant information to the Portuguese authorities in a timely manner", promised Jim Gamble, Head of CEOP.

The official aim of this campaign was, according to Jim Gamble, to move forward the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, including the use of facial recognition software on images showing any people "who appear out of context or are behaving strangely." "We wonder what the real purpose of this public appeal was.… We have not had access to these photos," confirmed one of the investigators, who stressed that the only photos received by the PJ had been sent direct by witnesses.
Maar foto's die wél naar de PJ werden opgestuurd leverden niks op, uit het zeer beknopte eindrapport: "Also explored were information related to the delivery of photographs from individuals in the area for holidays and obtained by the Police, along with various hotel chains, whose examinations yielded nothing useful." Mogelijk mochten ze ook niet gebruikt worden zoals met alles, wat een enorme onzin allemaal, de PJ en het publiek wordt belazerd en niet zo'n beetje ook, door de Britten, met name de McCanns, de Leicesterhire Police en mogelijk ook deze clubjes CEOP and ACPO, onder regie van Gordon Brown. Kennelijk is daar niets tegen te doen. Shame on you all...

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De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
* Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
* Justice for Madeleine
* Maddy - Reference Forum and Investigations

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  vrijdag 5 september 2008 @ 11:18:51 #240
145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Op donderdag 4 september 2008 23:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
De leiding van het 3arguidoforum heeft besloten de topics wat betreft Madeleine weer open te zetten voor niet-geregistreerden, een goed plan lijkt mij....zou het er ook mee te maken kunnen hebben dat Clarence Mitchell een andere baas heeft...
* Madeleine McCann - The Way Ahead - Madeleine's Voice (meest actueel)
* Justice for Madeleine
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Hey, goed nieuws, alweer een tikje voor team McCann.
Goedemorgen!
Wat een over en weer getik trouwens, net een ping-pong wedstrijd onderhand, die zegt dit en de ander zegt dat......
Het blijft gewoon afwachten tot er iets boven water komt dat voor een doorbraak kan zorgen.....
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The Sun komt met een Exclusive, ja wel, waarbij de snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie 'te grazen' worden genomen, het is zo'n belachelijk artikel, eigenlijk 2 artikelen, dat ik het niet eens plaats, zelf lezen, hier en hier. Eén quootje: "The family GP has insisted she came into contact with at least SIX dead bodies before going on holiday with her husband and three children." Dat opperde ik al eerder, zes dooien voor een huisarts die 1 1/2 dag p/week werkte...te belachelijk. En The Sun meldt oude sporen in het apartement, dat is allang al uitgesloten. Op de site van Nige staan deze artikelen ook. Evenals deze video van The Sun, genoeg bewijzen dacht ik zo maar het is natuurlijk wel ge-edit...niet alles is te zien, hoe de honden veel vaker aanslaan.



Gelukkig heeft Nige van McCannfiles in z'n archief het tegendeel bewaard: Note: Read about the world-renowned skills of Eddie and Keela here Hij plaatste ook deze foto van de doggies, ook uit The Sun, much better:



Hooi Kahaarin. Zoals je ziet is het modder gooien begonnen....Alleen The Sun is IMO zo ongeloofwaardig, werkelijk te genant...
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Maddie: journalists tried to break into window - Portugal Diário

During the month of September, the PJ received various alerts of foreign journalists who tried to enter the Ocean Club bedroom where the British child disappeared from.

Several journalists tried to film and photograph the inside of the bedroom where Maddie disappeared from on the 3rd of May 2007. In some situations, they even tried to force the apartment’s shutters open.

Kate and Gerry McCann returned to London on the 9th of September 2007, and a few days after they left the villa that they rented in Praia da Luz, the real estate agency was contacted by a journalist who tried to rent the property in order to carry out some filming. The request was denied.

On the morning of the 20th of September, the executive manager of the Ocean Club noticed the presence of three television reporters on the outside of the apartment where the McCann family spent their holidays. The two men and one woman had already forced the shutters of the bedroom where the children slept. It was the manager herself who expelled them from the location, while suspecting that their goal was to film the inside of the property.

Five days later, the firm that is responsible for the Ocean Club’s security was summoned to the same location due to the insistent presence of three further journalists in the patio that accesses the apartments.

They tried to ‘buy off’ the cleaning ladies

Even the cleaning personnel declared that they were approached by several journalists so they could access the inside of the apartment.

Whenever the pretension was denied, they offered money in return for said access. While in the former situations foreign journalists were identified, in this last attempt the nationality is not identified in the process that was made public on the 4th of August 2008, after the investigation was archived and the judicial secrecy was lifted.

No danger of ‘contamination’

On the 26th of September, in the early evening, the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) was contacted by a security guard from the Ocean Club, who informed that he had found the bedroom shutters up. Two inspectors traveled to the location and verified that said shutters had been raised, from the outside, until half the height of the window. But nothing was broken and there were no indicia of the window having been broken into.

A police source that is connected to the investigation explained to Portugal Diário that at the time, no processes were opened against the journalists because there was no ‘risk of contamination of the premises’ anymore.

Without indicia that the McCann couple had committed any crime, the Public Ministry determined the archiving of the process. On the 21st of July of 2008, Kate and Gerry, together with Robert Murat, saw their arguido status lifted. source: Portugal Diário, 03.09.2008 by astro
En verder is Kate McCann nog steeds boos, ach ach...wijffie toch: "In an interview with the Portuguese newspaper Expresso, published tomorrow, Mrs McCann, 40, is asked what she thinks of Amaral and his book, a bestseller in Portugal. She replies: "It's a disgrace." Daily Mail Sue him.... !

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Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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McCann's Cadaver Dogs Video:PJ Final Report


Excerpt of The Judiciary Police Report - All Investigation

pages 35 and 36

(...)Now the question related to the performance of the British dogs will be covered, along with the consequent quality assumed by the parents of MADELEINE, once again with the ability to revisit the description later in the report.

In this way, from pages 1989 and following, one can read the full report by MARK HARRISON, whose speciality is the search for missing people or homicide victims, including catastrophe scenarios. He provided the use of canines, specialized in the detection of vestiges of human blood and human cadaver odor.

This is an inspection technique commonly used in the United Kingdom, frequently with positive results, consisting of the utilization of two especially trained dogs.

One of the dogs is trained to detect cadaver odor and the other to detect vestiges of human blood, with existing knowledge that their prior usage had resulted in significant results, principally in the detection of vestiges, which had then been, later, confirmed in the laboratory.

After a positive joint meeting with the British police, it was decided to use this capability and a large number of objects and locations were examined, with these diligences being recorded in films which are included in the documentation (appendix III).

In some of these locations and objects, the animals exhibited the behaviour of identification and “signalling”, including:

pages 37 and 38

1 - Apartment 5A, of the resort ‘Ocean Club’, place from where the child disappeared.



- cadaver odour dog:
*in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, close to the wardrobe;
*in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment;



- blood dog:
* in the living room, behind the sofa, close to the lateral window of the apartment (exactly as it was signalled by the cadaver odour dog);

2 – Area of the backyard, close to the apartment 5A:



- cadaver odour dog:
* in a flowerbed, commented by the dog handler the lightness of the scent detected;

3 – Apartments where the rest of the elements of the group stayed

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

4 – House of the MCCANNs at the date of the inspection [second apartment]

* NOTHING at the house, was detected by any of the dogs;

5 - In the area of Vila da Luz

* NOTHING was detected by any of the dogs;

6 – In the clothes and belongings of the Family MCCANN



- cadaver odour dog:
* in two pieces of clothing belonging to KATE HEALY
* in a piece of clothing of the minor MADELEINE
* in the plush toy, possibly belonging to MADELEINE (it was detected cadaver odour, when the plush was inside the residence – at the date occupied by the family)

7 – In the vehicle used by the MCCANN family



- cadaver odour dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;



- blood dog:
* signalled the key of the vehicle;
* signalled the interior of the vehicle’s boot;

8 – In the vehicle used by a friend of the family, who stayed in the same resort, matching some of the holiday days.

pages 39 and 40

* NOTHING was detected by either dog;

9. In all the vehicles that were used by arguido ROBERT MURAT and persons that are close to him;

* NOTHING was detected by either dog.

(in a total of ten vehicles, the cadaver odour dog and the blood odour dog only signaled the vehicle that belonged to the MCCANN family, which was rented on the 27th of May)



On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).

But during a first scientific approach (pages 2617 and following), the possibility of a match between the DNA profile of MADELEINE and some of the collected residues (among which those that existed in the Renault Scenic that had been rented by the McCANN couple were abundant) was raised; a match which, as can be verified in the aforementioned final report from the FSS, failed to be verified, after the execution of long and complex testing.

On pages 2461 and following, the translation of the comments that were made by the dog handler, during the inspection actions, was appended.



Based on the action of the canine team and the aforementioned initial scientific approach, which revealed the possibility of the existence of a cadaver inside the apartment and in the vehicle that was used by the MCCANN family, and in order to allow for GERALD McCANN and KATE HEALY to see their position within the process safeguarded, they were made arguidos, in face of the mere possibility of their involvement with the possible cadaver. During the questioning as arguidos, they denied any responsibility in the disappearance of their daughter.

It may be questioned that KATE HEALY was not immediately made an arguida, but rather inquired, as a witness, and only afterwards, following said inquirition, did she assume that quality.

Therefore, the constitution of KATE HEALY as an arguida was made when she was confronted with concrete elements that might lead to her incrimination, a fact that, within the terms of the penal process law, would officiously force that constitution.

Source: Document in PDF - PJ Report in Portuguese

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10 Aug 2008
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7 Aug 2008
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The dogs’ work as described by their own handler
7 Aug 2008
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Madeleine McCann: Reversed Investigation
27 Jul 2008
It does seem possible that that has taken place based on the circumstances of the cadaver dogs who signalled [death triggers] the existence of a cadaver and, also of blood with the genetic profile of the girl. ...

Cadaver Odour in the McCanns Car and Clothes
12 Jul 2008
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What are the Chances?
27 May 2008
Of highly-trained forensic cadaver dogs and DNA analysts from the UK being mistaken? Of a GP coming into contact with 6 dead bodies in the week before the holiday? Of the GP bringing a "Cuddle Cat" to work with her and it thus acquiring ..

Sniffer Dogs used to seek Madeleine prove again their effectiveness
25 Feb 2008
In cases where a dead body will be the likely outcome of a search, Cadaver dogs are used to search, rather than standard Search and Rescue dogs. Why? Because a Search and Rescue Dog is trained to find living humans, and not detect ...

The Theory of the Abduction of Madeleine McCann
19 Feb 2008
c) We’ll get on to lawyers in Ireland/America who say these cadaver dogs’ evidence is useless. (d) The DNA was the children’s dirty nappies in the boot. (e) The ‘smell of death’ was rotting meat that Gerry was taking to the dump. ... by Joana Morais


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Goeiedag zeg... Oeps de McCanns worden toch wel nerveus, boek van Amaral in de UK-schappen, Mitchell die nog een baas heeft gevonden, 3Arguidoforum weer open voor ierdereen (ze hebben echt de pest aan dat forum) filempies met Eddie en Keela, statements van iedereen waar geen barst van klopt etc etc. Tijd voor een interview dachten ze. Alle kranten staan er weer bol van, News Now Joepie! Met variaties in de koppen zoals deze: More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.



En wat heeft dat 'interview' dan weer opgeleverd + de verkoop naar alle andere kranten, voor het fonds zeker? Is dit gesprekje een beginnetje naar meer Exclusives, nu de meeste mensen toch wel door hebben dat geld geven zinloos is, vooral nu bekend is geworden dat ook hun woordvoerder Clarence Mitchell daar maandelijks geld uit ontvangt nu Brian Kennedy dat niet meer voor zijn rekening wil nemen.

Stukje uit The Herald: "The father of Madeleine McCann has admitted the possibility that his missing daughter may be dead. In the first interview with Kate and Gerry McCann since they were formally cleared of involvement in the case, Mr McCann says: "I will be honest. We have got no idea whether Madeleine is alive or not. What we are certain of is that there is absolutely no evidence." Lijkt me genoeg reden om eens in de UK onderzoek te doen naar dat fonds, geheid dat er weer om geld wordt gebedeld, maar wie gaat nu nog geld geven vooral nadat filmpje van gisteren waarin duidelijk te zien was wát Eddie en Keela hebben gevonden....


In de Portugese krant Expresso staat vandaag ook een interview met de McCanns, een teasertje:

Maar goed, als er meer geld nodig is dan kunnen de McCanns en hun vrienden ook een belofte waarmaken:
Reminder: Gerry's sister Philomena McCann said yesterday the couple and even other relatives may have to sell their homes. Asked if it was an option she said: "It's a possibility, yes. These things happen. "Money and property is not as important as family and love, is it? Not to me anyway." 15/09/2007 The Mirror Toen lwam branson op de proppen: "Branson, who has been in regular contact with the couple since their daughter went missing, hopes that it could amass £1m. The money would mean that members of the McCann family could drop their plans to sell their houses to pay legal costs." The Times en ook de BBC Maar ja, die is er niet meer nadat de McCanns tot arguido's werden verklaard...dus de verloop van huizen is een mooie optie.
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Interessant: Forensic Sci Int. 2008 Jan 15;174(1):35-9. Epub 2007 Apr 2.
Oesterhelweg L, Kröber S, Rottmann K, Willhöft J, Braun C, Thies N, Püschel K, Silkenath J, Gehl A.
Institute of Legal Medicine, University Medical Center Hamburg, Germany. lars.oesterhelweg@irm.unibe.ch

INTRODUCTION: Cadaver dogs are known as valuable forensic tools in crime scene investigations. Scientific research attempting to verify their value is largely lacking, specifically for scents associated with the early postmortem interval. The aim of our investigation was the comparative evaluation of the reliability, accuracy, and specificity of three cadaver dogs belonging to the Hamburg State Police in the detection of scents during the early postmortem interval. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h). The contamination occurred for 2 min as well as 10 min without any direct contact between the carpet and the corpse. Comparative searches by the dogs were performed over a time period of 65 days (10 min contamination) and 35 days (2 min contamination). RESULTS: The results of this study indicate that the well-trained cadaver dog is an outstanding tool for crime scene investigation displaying excellent sensitivity (75-100), specificity (91-100), and having a positive predictive value (90-100), negative predictive value (90-100) as well as accuracy (92-100).

PMID: 17403590 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
website reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17403590
Gelezen op het 3arguidoforum Woef!

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Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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During the interview that was done in England, the couple seizes the opportunity to criticize Gonçalo Amaral’s theories. Nevertheless, Kate and Gerry do not ponder to sue the former inspector of the Polícia Judiciária who led the investigations.
Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 00:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Take note,' reporters' of The Sun and also Sky News, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
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Breaking News08:40 WORLD: More than £1m spent on hunt for Madeleine.
06/09/08

More than £1m (¤1.23m) has been spent hunting for missing Madeleine McCann, her parents revealed today.

Kate and Gerry McCann said that in less than a year the Find Madeleine fund had paid £1m (¤1.23m) to Spain’s Metodo 3 detective agency to search for her.

And the pair told the Daily Mirror they would spend whatever it takes to uncover the truth.

Mrs McCann, 40, told the newspaper: “We can’t set a limit. A child does not have a price. We will pay what we have to. It just takes one person to make the one phone call we so hope for. We know she was abducted and believe someone knows or suspects something.

“We want to find her alive. But if she is dead we want to know. There’s nothing in the police report that indicates anything bad has happened to her.”

The two doctors, from Rothley, Leicestershire, spoke of their bitterness at having ever been made suspects in the case.

Mrs McCann strongly condemned detective Goncalo Amaral, who led the hunt and later wrote a book on the case, labelling his behaviour “a disgrace”.

Mr McCann, 40, said: “We were investigated in the most intimate detail. ’How did you get rid of her? Who helped you? Where did you put her?’

“My plan was to stay quiet and not answer. But the first question was, ’Are you involved in the disappearance of your daughter?’ It was nonsense and I decided to respond.”

Mr McCann again expressed his anguish at leaving Madeleine alone with twins Sean and Amelie as they went for dinner in Portugal’s Praia da Luz resort.

But he said the couple were “not negligent” but “profoundly regret” what happened.

The pair said their three-year-old twins have been vital in helping them cope with their ordeal.

The youngsters still talk about when their sister Madeleine comes home.

And their parents say keeping the missing five-year-old’s memory alive for the twins is helping the couple through their torment.
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Op zaterdag 6 september 2008 11:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ohw...bummer, ze gaan Amaral niet aanklagen....maar dat dacht de halve wereld al, dan moeten ze namelijk bewijzen waar Amaral in z'n boek heeft gelogen....Uit een interview in Expresso, gepubliceerd in Diário de Notícias en gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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Voor zover ik heb gelezen is dit niet bekend gemaakt in de Britse pers....

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Nee natuurlijk niet, as always, negeren dan gaat het vanzelf weg.
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  zaterdag 6 september 2008 @ 14:13:16 #247
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Tot nog toe is de strategie van de McCanns wel succesvol gebleken. Inderdaad gewoon alles negeren, nergens op ingaan, alle vragen onbeantwoord laten en vervolgens stug doorgaan met je eigen fonds.

Dat is de methode om ergens mee weg te komen, heb ik van deze zaak wel geleerd. Want al het verzamelde bewijs en alle aantoonbare leugens zijn nog niet voldoende om een zaak te maken. Dat vind ik eigenlijk wel schokkend.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Suko! Jij blogbabe. Goed gevonden!

Heb je dit gezien? Million pound baby......
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Hallo daar kahaarin en Livelink. Ja, dat van die million pound baby had ik even aangestipt in de eerste alinea. Blogbabe? ....Whahahaha...indeed, daar is het echte nieuws te lezen met soms opmerkelijke nieuwtjes en achtergronden die de Britse pers vertikt te melden. Opmerkelijk is wel dat The Sun vandaag een verhaal plaatst met als kop + kiek een snuffelhond die sporen vindt bij die gehuurde auto en pas halverwege een kiek van de McCanns, met wel weer een l*lverhaal maar dat zijn we inmiddels wel gewend.

Ik schreef eerder dat alleen de Portugese pers meldt dat McCanns Amaral niet zal aanklagen, niet helemaal waar want Kate zegt o.a. op de BBC: "All I will say about this, and because I'm not going to waste my time on Mr Amaral, is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Goed zo wijffiie, ik miste de arrogantie al een beetje, pfff...gelukkig, bang voor z'n boek maar weet het toch weer mooi te verdraaien, yeah...

@ Livelink, misschien is het niet zo moeilijk om er mee weg te komen door ten eerste niks te zeggen, tegen te werken zelfs, en keihard liegen helpt ook maar bovenal de hulp van bovenaf, dán redt je het, lachtend...many British people with money/influence have everything to hide. (geweldig Engels weer...haha)
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Op McCannfiles.com:
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Gerry McCann buried Madeleine's body on the beach, Portuguese detective says - Telegraph

The Portuguese detective who was sacked as head of the team investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has accused her father of burying her body on the beach near their holiday apartment the same night that she was reported missing.

By David Harrison Last Updated: 5:56PM BST 06 Sep 2008
In the latest of a series of extraordinary claims about the case, Goncalo Amaral, says he believes that Maddy died accidently in the McCann's rented flat as the result of a fall and that her father disposed of the body.

The disgraced detective - who has sold 120,000 copies of a book he has just published a book about the case - says an Irishman had claimed that he had seen Mr McCann with a child in his arms walking towards the beach on the night that Maddy reportedly disappeared.

The McCanns dismissed the claims, made in an interview with a Spanish newspaper, as "ridiculous".

Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "As Kate has said today Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. "His comments are grossly defamatory and utterly without foundation."

Mr Amaral, who has now retired from Portugal's Judicial Police investigation force, says in the El Mundo newspaper: "The Portuguese police, like the British [police], and also the prosecutor, who has now changed his opinion, thought the same. We are talking of a death involving third parties, not of homicide.

"In the bedroom blood and the smell of a body were found just below a window where there was a sofa. The father was there for a short time just outside this window having a conversation with a friend.

"The parents said the girl did not have a bad dream. Maybe the girl heard the father and climbed onto the sofa under the window. But the parents had pulled it away from the wall. so that the girl would not get out, and Madeleine could have fallen."

The former policeman talks about the Irish witness seeing Mr McCann carrying a child towards the beach and about sniffer dogs finding traces of blood and the scent of a body on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of a car the couple hired 23 days after Maddy disappeared.

This prompts the interviewer to ask: "Gerry McCann buried his daughter on the beach and then disinterred her and put her in the boot 23 days later?" Amaral replies: "We don't know. The Irish witness I have spoken about saw on television Gerry with a child in his arms arriving in the United Kingdom and declared it was the same image that he had seen in May in Portugal. This man went two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered."

The interviewer says that Amaral's claim implies that the Tapas Nine - the McCanns and their friends who dined together on the night of Maddy's disappearance - had all ageed to lie.

Amaral says: "All of them. Because, in case you don't know, British legislation covering negligence in caring for children is very hard...In the United Kingdom, if you leave a child alone for half an hour you will lose custody. After the death of Madeleine, if it had been made public that it was an accident, all of them would have lost custody [of their children]."

The former detective describes how on one occasion during a meeting Kate McCann had lowered her head and seemed to be totally distracted for several seconds before coming back to being her usual self. "It appeared that she had escaped from the role that she was interpreting," he says.

Asked how she reacted when she was asked if Maddy had been killed by falling from the sofa he replies: "She didn't say anything, she just lowered her head for a moment as if she was on the point of fainting. She had an emotional crack that lasted for just a moment."

Amaral adds: "For me, Gerry hid the body of Madeleine on the beach. And after some days he transfered it to his car. We were working in this direction. "We lacked establishing the date, some details, but we were on the way. The Irishman was on the point of coming to Portugal, but it took too long, and there were external pressures. In the end he didn't make a statement to the [Judicial] Police."

A friends of the McCanns dismissed Amaral's claims as "nonsense and legally extremely dangerous", and said that Kate and Gerry would sue Amaral if he published his book in the UK.

Mr Mitchell said: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully. "He is also completely at odds with with his own Attorney-General who, in lifting Kate and Gerry's "arguido" - official suspect - status, made it clear that there is no evidence to suggest they are guilty of any crime whatsoever."
Wederom een Clarrie-tactiek, hier wordt wel gemeld dat ze overwegen Amaral aan te klagen, maar dan op z'n woorden, spin-tactics...confusing the public aren't you, mixed messages. But you will not sue Amaral , you're all to scared!

En dat interview in de Expresso waar de kranten vol van staan in op de site van Joana Morais en ook op McCannfiles te lezen. Ik wacht nog ff, heb er al genoeg over gelezen...

En ook nog: 06 Setembro, 2008 The video of the dogs that framed the McCanns - Correio da Manhã
Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work
Past wel goed bij het eerdere artikel van Joana Morais wat ik gisteren hier heb gepost.

Toetje, een quootje van Mike Hitchen, een rare druif imo, maar schiet soms zeer raak:
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"The deliberately misleading news of their generosity comes a day after The Sun tried to discredit two highly trained, highly respected and highly insured British trained sniffer dogs, for the sole reason of laying the blame for Madeleine's fate on detectives who along with other Portuguese tax payers, have spent far more in the search for Maddie than the McCanns, Branson or Kennedy ever have or are likely to. They also spent far more time looking for her - which isn't too difficult as the McCanns believe it is the responsibility of others to get down and on their hands and knees in the dirt looking for clues. The McCanns like others to do their dirty work for them.

Perhaps the British media would like to publish a more accurate headline - "The McCanns running out of money and want yours so Dr Kate doesn't have to work and handle more corpses - it's so hard to get the smell of one's clothes"


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Vandaag hebben we de verklaring van Russel O'Brien dd 21h45 on May 4th 2007 (ook hier te lezen incl. commentaar), de echtgenoot van Jane Tanner. Haar verklaring werd die dag op 11h30 genoteerd. Ook nu zijn er weer dudelijke verschillen te zien wat betreft check-tijden etc etc. Geen melding dat z'n vrouw, Jane Tanner, een man had zien lopen met kind, zij meldde dat wel.
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Brian Kennedy kan er geen genoeg van krijgen, uit de Daily Mail:
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I'll fund the McCanns until they find Maddie, vows double-glazing tycoon Kennedy
By Daniel Boffey Last updated at 10:05 PM on 06th September 2008
The multi-millionaire tycoon financing Kate and Gerry McCann's search for their daughter has said he will support them for the rest of his life if necessary. Double-glazing magnate Brian Kennedy, 48, said he would use his estimated £450million fortune to back the couple as long as Madeleine remained missing.

His pledge will alleviate concerns about what will happen when Madeleine's Fund, made up largely of public donations, runs out. There is currently less than £500,000 in the kitty, with £1million having already been spent on the hunt for Madeleine since her disappearance in May last year

Team McCann is now hiring a fifth group of private investigators to help with the search. Mr Kennedy, who has five children with his wife Christine, lives in Wilmslow, Cheshire, and made his money through double-glazing firm Everest. He had not met the McCanns before offering his help but now speaks to them almost daily.

A source said: ‘Mr Kennedy got involved after seeing Kate on television after she became an arguido. He felt compelled to do something. A fifth company is going to be hired. 'Everything that can be done is being done. But it is like looking for a grain of sand on a sea shore. The team are just desperate for leads now.’

The couple's lawyers are still sifting through 13,000 pages of Portuguese police files, released last month. One team of investigators believed they had found Madeleine in Morocco last year – but it turned out to be an American girl being kept against her will in a dispute between her parents.

‘It was desperately disappointing when it turned out not to be Madeleine,’ said a source. ‘It was a low point for everyone concerned.’ Madeleine’s Fund is already paying investigators Metodo 3, Control Risks, Oakley International and an unnamed fourth company. However, as The Mail on Sunday revealed last month, Oakley will not have its current £500,000 contract extended after missing a series of targets set by Mr Kennedy.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said: ‘We will leave no stone unturned in finding Madeleine.’
Merkwaardig, de McCanns schreven toch onlangs op hun site dat Oakley International gewoon aanblijft....En ook vreemd, hij trok alleen de geldbeurs toen eerst Kate McCann tot formeel verdachte werd verklaard, dus hij deed het allemaal niet eens omdat Madeleine werd vermist????

Nou ja, dan kunnen ze het fonds ook wel opheffen, maar de grote vraag is hier ook, waarom steekt Brian Kennedy zo z'n nek uit, waarom steekt hij er zoveel geld in en waarom bezocht hij persoonlijk enkele getuigen bv die Ierse familie Smith zoals die vader die er van overtuigd is Gerry McCann te hebben gezien met Madeleine in z'n armen die fatale avond. De Smithtjes werden nooit meer gehoord door tegenwerking van de UK. Met andere woorden, welke belangen heeft Brian Kennedy in deze kwestie. Als het alleen geld was had hij ook stilletjes de McCanns kunnen steunen maar nee, hij heeft ze tengels overal in, zoals het inhuren van al die PI"s die tot nu alleen de geld en tijd van de PJ hebben 'gestolen' en nu zijn er kennelijk weer nieuwe PI's ingehuurd...what is going on???? Moet hij wat luitjes beschermen en ook zichzelf, of ook, beschermt hij misschien een ander stille rijke stinkerd??? Zie ook de site van Joana Morais: The Non-Charitable odd Fund: The McCanns & Brian Kennedy Strange Connection

Reminder: als er een ontvoering is geweest waarom heeft niemand die 1 1/2 mijoen beloning opgeeist, geen enkel teken van iets of iemand, nada, noppes, niènte....
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Ook veelzeggend, het Telegraph-artikel welke ik gisteravond heb gepost (hierboven) is van de site verwijderd....Een 3arguido-poster schrijft Ultimately, the Telegraph and associated outlets will have journos monitoring forums but what about the governments Media Monitoring Unit - who are the powers behind the pulling of this article and why? Perhaps they are one and the same? Of maakt Clarence Mitchell gelijk z'n woorden waar in het teruggetrokken Telegraph-artikel: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully." En dan gehoorzaamt de Telegraph heel braaf....

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Nieuws wat men niet 'mag' lezen in de UK...Een interview met Amaral in de Spaanse krant El Mundo:
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Gonçalo Amaral: Gerry McCann hid Madeleine's corpse on the Beach El Mundo

SILVIA TAULÉS
06 September 2008
Thanks to Joana Morais and 'Ines' for translation (some amendments have been made to the original translation)
* The apartment window always stayed shut, in spite of what Kate McCann said

* The girl might have fallen from the sofa; there could have been an accident because of the sleeping solution


MADRID - He arrives late, with a certain 'star' look. His book (Esquilo, 2008), which will be officially presented on the 9th of September, has sold 120,000 copies in two weeks, a record in Portugal.

This, once begun, was unstoppable. Gonçalo Amaral, the visible head of an investigation that had thousands of people in suspense, tells why he remains insistent that it was Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, who were responsible for her disappearance.

Question – You defend the theory that the parents are responsible for what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Answer – No. That is not in the book.

Q - However that is the theory that one can understand from reading it.
A - The summary also draws the same conclusion of the book.
Q - What are the points, that you believe, implicate the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter?
A - The first thing is that they always defended the theory of the abduction. The mother said that the window of the room was open when she saw that the girl was not there. That is not correct, the window was closed and it is impossible for the girl to have left that way. We worked in the apartment and the window was closed. The parents have always argued that the girl was alive and they were the first to raise that Maddie could be dead.
Q - Other evidence?
A - The witnesses, there were several inconsistencies between their statements. Those that had dinner with the McCanns that night, their friends, invented the system of monitoring of the children. Why? There are many details that lead one to think about the culpability of the parents. There are two different lists about the monitoring system.
Q - You talk about inconsistencies in the statements about the monitoring system. The book also indicates that the nine people who had dinner together drank an average of eight bottles of wine, four of red and four of white. Isn't there the possibility that, between the disappearance and the alcohol, they were confused and that they did not remember the exact minutes in which they watched the children?
A - Okay, but then there is the window where we found Kate's finger prints, the mother of the girl. She said that she had never touched that window, and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous day. And above all she said that the window was open when it was closed, it doesn't add up.
Q - Would it be possible that the mother or the father closed the window later, when returning to the room to search for the girl?
A - There are three people who say that they walked in front of the apartment and saw the window closed. They did not state that it was open? Which left? And there are other things. The mother says that she entered the room and the windows were open and the shutters were raised. No one else saw that. They simulated an abduction. They wanted us to say that someone entered the apartment with the intention of theft and when they saw the girl they killed her.
Q - That could have happened?
A – It is very complicated.
Q - Why?
A - Let us return to the people who passed in front of the apartment. Nobody saw anything strange. We investigated all the people who were involved in theft in the area. There were no unknown fingerprints in the apartment, of course they could have used gloves, that is true, but that could not be. In addition, the parents were the first to talk about death. And it is normal to think that their daughter could have died, but they have never admitted this in public. But I do not believe that the parents killed her.
Q - So, what are we talking about?
A - About an accident. The child could have fallen from a sofa, could have had an accident with Calpol (a sleeping solution). We never had access to the girl's medical history, so we don't know whether she was healthy or not. We can only speculate. There are many very strange details.

Note: the full interview is a paid article. This is the free version.
Ja ja, dat is niet mis, dat vonden de McConns ook...
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New slur on Madeline McCann's father Gerry by shamed cop The Mirror
By Nick Owens 7/09/2008
Shamed Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral stooped to a new low last night - disgracefully claiming Gerry McCann buried daughter Madeleine on a beach the night she went missing. In his most sickening outburst yet, sacked Amaral said Gerry went back days later to move her body so the police would never find it.

Last night Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns official spokesman, said: "Mr Amaral is a complete disgrace. His repetitive slurs are not only grossly defamatory but they are completely unfounded. "What he says is so utterly at odds with reality it beggars belief.

"Kate and Gerry are looking and watching at everything he does and will not hesitate to take legal action against him if he continues to act in this sickening manner." Last week Kate herself spoke angrily about Amaral. She said: "As a professional and a person he has been a disgrace."
Pardon? Ik dacht toch dat de McConns zich niet met Amaral bezig hielden: "Kate – All that I am going to say about this – because I'm not going to waste any time on Mr Amaral – is that as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Uit het Expresso interview van gisteren. Sterker nog, Kate leest niet eens de kranten....zo meldt ze keer op keer. If you are lying at least get your lies straight....
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En verder nog een interessant artikel op de site van Joana Morais:
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Soft toy found by death smell - Correio da Manhã
Investigation: CM reveals images of the dogs’ work Afbeelding

The cadaver odour on Madeleine McCann’s soft toy was proved when the sniffer dog was able to find it while hidden inside a closed cupboard.

The process of the toy’s marking is demonstrated by the images from the investigation’s videos that are published by Correio da Manhã, as well as the moment when the springer spaniel that is trained to detect the smell of death, changes its behaviour next to a piece of Kate’s clothing.

The cadaver odour on the soft toy was marked inside the residence that was being occupied by the McCanns in July 2007, but the experts repeated the diligence in a scenario outside the house, where the dog, ‘Eddie’, gave signal again.

Confronted with the indicia that resulted from the inspection done by the dogs, which are widely used in the United Kingdom – English expert Martin Grime asserts that in over two hundred searches, the sniffer dogs have never marked a false positive – the Polícia Judiciária questioned Kate and Gerry and made them arguidos. The authorities were forced to admit a possible involvement of the McCann couple in their daughter’s disappearance and to confront them with elements that could result in incrimination.

Kate McCann, who after Maddie’s disappearance was accompanied everywhere – and in a visible manner – of her daughter’s favourite toy, did not deny the fact that two pieces of her clothing and her daughter’s soft toy had been marked by the English dog that is trained to detect cadaver odour and justified the fact with her profession: she alleged that as a doctor at the Health Centre in Leicester she attended six death situations during the period immediately before her vacation time in Portugal.

Manipulated evidence

The soft toy was found on the bed where Maddie allegedly slept on the night that she went missing, but on the bed, no cadaver odour was detected, contrary to the soft toy. This fact led the Polícia Judiciária to believe that the crime scene was manipulated in order to better justify the abduction theory that is sustained by the McCanns and their friends.

In one of the investigation reports the inspectors write that the soft toy was placed on the bed’s end in a moment that was posterior to the disappearance. “There was an intentional modification, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of the abduction scenario”, the process reads.

McCanns devalue dogs

Kate and Gerry McCann continue to defend that Madeleine McCann was abducted on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007, in the Algarve, and they devalue the indicia that was collected during the investigation – mainly the traces that were detected by the sniffer dogs.

“The frailty of these dogs was proved in a study that was carried out in the USA”, the McCanns stated in an interview to ‘Expresso’, reiterating the hope of finding their daughter alive: “We want to find her alive, but if she’s dead we want to know. There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her.”

Kate and Gerry say that they “firmly” believe that Maddie was abducted by a man and they criticise the former case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral, who defends the homicide theory. “His behaviour has been a disgrace”, they said, considering that the success of his book is a case of “illicit enrichment”.

“Suing the McCanns is a possibility to consider” (Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Madeleine McCann case)

Correio da Manhã – How do you react to the McCanns’ statement that your behaviour is a disgrace?


Gonçalo Amaral – That happens in the sequence of a campaign, it’s normal for that hostility to exist. Concerning that type of accusations, they have to be pondered…

- Does that mean that you consider the possibility of suing the McCanns?

- Yes, it’s a possibility to consider.

- How do you interpret the fact that the McCanns devalue the dogs’ work?

- It’s a form of defence. To them, we are all incompetent, but that is not how the dogs are seen in the United Kingdom, where they are widely used and with success.

- The McCanns say that the English police are more experienced in abductions…

- They can present a formal complaint about their daughter’s abduction to the English police instead of using private detectives.

Details

200 searches – Expert Martin Grime asserts that in over 200 searches the sniffer dogs have never failed.

Vehicle – ‘Eddie’ and ‘Keela’, which are trained to detect the odour of human cadavers and blood, marked the car that was rented by the McCann couple among ten vehicles.

Robert Murat – The cars that were used by Murat, the first to become an arguido, were inspected by the dogs but nothing was detected.

Decisive – The investigation changed its course after the traces that were detected by the dogs.

Notes

16 months: Missing – Madeleine McCann disappeared 16 months ago from the Ocean Club resort, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, where she was spending holidays with her parents and her twin siblings. It was on the evening of May 3, 2007.

Detectives: 1.2 million – Kate and Gerry McCann, Maddie’s parents, guarantee that they have already spent 1.2 million euros from the FindMadeleine Fund, with the private investigation into their daughter’s disappearance.

Investigation: Case archived – In July, the Public Ministry archived the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance. The abduction theory was dismissed and homicide was pointed out as more likely. source: Correio da Manhã, 07.09.2008 by astro


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Op zondag 7 september 2008 21:20 schreef Suko het volgende:
Nieuws wat men niet 'mag' lezen in de UK...Een interview met Amaral in de Spaanse krant El Mundo:
Vervolg van het interview met Amaral door de Spaanse krant El Mundo, gelezen op McCannfiles:
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Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.
Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.
Q - But I am trying to think out an idea. How can a mother who has just found her daughter dead on the floor decide to hide the corpse? And how do you hide the corpse of a girl of nearly four years old so that no one can find it?
A – This is what we were investigating when I was dismissed from the case. I want to recall that there is an Irish man who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms, on his way towards the beach that same night. That testimony has been hidden. The dogs specialised in finding traces of blood and odour of cadaver, found both on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of the car that the McCanns rented 23 days later.
Q - Did Gerry McCann bury his dead daughter on the beach and then unearth her and put her in the boot 23 days later?
A - We do not know. The Irish [witness] that I have told you about saw Gerry on television with a child in his arms arriving in the UK and stated that it was the same image they had seen back in May in Portugal. That man spent two days without sleeping when he realised what he had discovered, but nobody has talked about them. And what one of the Irish has said is logical, a man with a child in his arms toward the beach.
Q - But this implies that the whole group, the nine people who ate dinner that night, had agreed to lie.
A - All of them. Because, if you do not know, the British law regarding negligence and child welfare is very strict. They left their children alone in the apartments. In the UK, if you leave a child alone for half an hour, you lose custody. After Madeleine's death, if it had been made public that it was an accident, everyone could have lost custody.
Q - So you consider that one of the reasons for the parents and friends to have lied is because they feared losing their children's custody.
A - Yes, yes. Nobody has opened legal proceedings for what happened, for the negligence, and we have asked the British authorities why. Have they answered? Of course not.
Q – Let's go to the day of the disappearance. 17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report the death of the girl?
A - In those three hours there are inconsistencies between witnesses. Some said that the checks lasted half an hour, others said 30 seconds...
Q – It is obvious that they contradict each other, but did they have time to do everything you say they did?
A - Yes, of course they had time. Some say that Gerry had a strange behaviour at the table.
Q – Did they?
A – They said that he spoke too much, gesticulated a lot, quite the opposite from the previous days. For me this is a very real hypothesis.
Q - You have a long career as an investigator, years in which you have faced criminals and innocents. What do you see when facing the McCanns?
A - They are two persons with much fear. I do not know if they fear to be discovered or fear the police of an unknown country.
Q – It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.
A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting.
Q - When you raised the hypothesis that the girl might have died after falling off the sofa, did Kate McCann answer?
A - She did not answer, she just dropped her head for a moment, as if she was about to faint. She had an emotional collapse that lasted just a moment.
Q - And Gerry McCann?
A – He is a very strong person, dominant. He's a surgeon, a man capable of making decisions very quickly. That was good for him to be able to decide over Madeleine. If you have to hide the body, you must decide quickly. And it could only be hidden on the beach, and you have to take her on foot. This is where the statements from the Irish witness is important, the one that no one has taken into account.
Q - What is your opinion?
A - To me, Gerry hid Madeleine's body on the beach. And after a few days he moved her with his car. We work following this lead. Trying to find out the date of the switch, some details, but we were on the way. The Irish [witness] was about to arrive in Portugal, but everything was delayed too much, he even received external pressures. In the end, he didn't testify for the Police.
Q – They [McCanns] have appeared in all the media to announce the disappearance of their daughter and if it ends up that they have done it, what are they, psychopaths?
A – No, they are human. If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted.
Q - What if they do not want to lose hope? It all seems very morbid.
A - It is. If they admit that she is dead they will lose their style of life. They are human, not psychopaths.
Q - You said that the girl was frozen.
A - For there to be vestiges in the boot of the car rented 23 days later, they must have preserved the corpse in some way. I believe that when they put it in the boot, with the heat of those days in the Algarve, a similar situation happened with that of shopping bags, which melt, and then the water is transferred to the car.
Q – Couldn't the traces be transferred from the room to the parents clothes and after to the car?
A - But if you have blood on your clothes it is because you've seen it [sic]. And the blood that the dogs found was washed blood, it was remains not clear spots.
Q - Neither you nor Alípio Ribeiro (former director of the Judicial Police), nor Olegário Souza (former police spokesman), are still on their posts. You have even pre-retired.
A - There were too many pressures. The McCanns have many contacts and nobody was interested in knowing the truth.
Q - Is it the British Empire against Portugal?
A - Yes, it seems so.

TRACES OF DNA IN THE CAR'S BOOT

The Scotland Yard dogs detected, in the boot of the car rented by the McCanns 23 days after the disappearance of the girl, traces of DNA which could belong to the girl; for the Portuguese Police more evidence, that Maddie was not abducted but that she died in the Ocean Club apartment.

Note: Mr Amaral does NOT actually describe Calpol as a 'sleeping pill'. It is El Mundo who describe it as such: Firstly, in the headline teaser and secondly, in brackets to describe to Spanish readers what Calpol is, after Mr Amaral has simply mentioned it by name.
Overigens zijn er steeds meer posters die wat kritiek op Amaral hebben, waarom hebben ze zich zo laten inpakken door de Britten, iets wat ik ook al eerder heb geuit. Twee topics op het 3arguidoforum, hier en een ouder topic, hier. Hij mag dan wel z'n nek uitsteken maar wat koopt men er eigenlijk voor, de schuldigen lopen vrij rond en het is maar de vraag of de zaak ooit nog wordt heropend...

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  maandag 8 september 2008 @ 12:12:11 #252
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Goedemiddag!

Die honden en het andere bewijs (DNA, getuigen, gebrek aan bewijs voor ontvoering.) gaan niet weg, de geldstroom van de McCanns zal wel ooit opdrogen, als de zaak wat meer in de luwte komt dan verwacht ik een verrassing. Afwachten maar.... Het is heel makkelijk om vanachter je PC kritiek te hebben op de PJ, we hebben allemaal gezien dat de Britten met man en macht op kwamen draven, inclusief Brown nota bene. Om dan te zeggen dat hij dingen anders had moeten doen vind ik een beetje Calimero vragen om een leeuw te ondervragen, volgens zou dat hetzelfde effect hebben.....

Rondje Anorak.
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Madeleine McCann: Buried On The Beach And The Our Maddie Metaphor
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “New slur on Madeline McCann’s father Gerry by shamed cop”

A new slur by Goncarlo Amaral? Remember that quoting his book could see the McCann’s lawyers called in. Can the Mirror repeat the slur and still look oh-so caring?

Shamed Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral stooped to a new low last night - disgracefully claiming Gerry McCann buried daughter Madeleine on a beach the night she went missing.

Disgraceful. The scum. What did he say, just for interest’s sake..?

In his most sickening outburst yet, sacked Amaral said Gerry went back days later to move her body so the police would never find it.

What a complete swine. Did the McCanns’ dignify that with a reply? Surely not…

Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry are looking and watching at everything he does and will not hesitate to take legal action against him if he continues to act in this sickening manner.”

Not. The McCanns are innocent.

THE GUARDIAN: “Setanta are trying, England are very trying”

The England football team and trying. Indeed. And our Maddie?

Setanta’s boast that they are “The Only Place You Will See England in Belarus in October” is not buttering any parsnips

The irony is Setanta really does try harder. Its current coup has been to grab exclusive rights to England’s away qualifiers for the 2010 World cup. That is not exclusive like a Daily Express story about Madeleine McCann, but exclusive in the sense that Setanta has something nobody else does.

Madeleine McCann and the England football team. Now that’s entertainment
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Op maandag 8 september 2008 12:12 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Die honden en het andere bewijs (DNA, getuigen, gebrek aan bewijs voor ontvoering.) gaan niet weg, de geldstroom van de McCanns zal wel ooit opdrogen, als de zaak wat meer in de luwte komt dan verwacht ik een verrassing. Afwachten maar.... Het is heel makkelijk om vanachter je PC kritiek te hebben op de PJ, we hebben allemaal gezien dat de Britten met man en macht op kwamen draven, inclusief Brown nota bene. Om dan te zeggen dat hij dingen anders had moeten doen vind ik een beetje Calimero vragen om een leeuw te ondervragen, volgens zou dat hetzelfde effect hebben.....
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Nou ja, velen volgen dit proces vrijwel vanaf het begin en men had de toch de indruk dat deze kwestie hoe langzaam ook, op de één of andere manier tot een oplossing zou komen, maar niets van dat al. Slappe statementjes in het eindrapport dat nothing came of it, of woorden van dien aard, men kan daar een protestje in lezen, maar het stelt eigenlijk niks voor. What ever de redenen, men kwam tot niets wegen ernstige tegenwerking. Elk verzoek om meer informatie werd geweigerd. En een gegeven belangrijk bewijsstuk werd zelfs 'kwijtgemaakt' of tijdens het onderzoek vernietigd...zo zegt men ((FSS-lab). Op z'n minst had ik daar iig een officieel protest willen vernemen. Het kan toch niet zo zijn dat het thuisland van eventuele daders met alle middelen die men kennelijk kan gebruiken, er mee weg komt. Een land zoals Portugal, die zich heeft kunnen ontworstelen van een dictatuur, en dan nu door de UK zo wordt vernederd, dat kan er bij mij niet in, no way. Hier is meer aan de hand, aan beide zijden en daar heb ik dus echt niks mee, zulke praktijken veracht ik ten zeerste. Natuurlijk valt het te prijzen dat Amaral (als enige, wat een prooi voor kwaadwilligen!) de leugens ontmaskerd maar uiteindelijk nogmaals schiet niemand er wat mee op. Hopelijk komt er ooit bewijs waarmee het recht zijn beloop krijgt maar voorlopg zie ik dat niet, kennelijk zijn de belangen te groot om leugens te prevaleren boven waarheden. Wat voor mij nogal onthullend/onthutsend was is die ongelofelijk volgzaamheid van de Britse pers, dat verwacht je niet ven een modern westers democratisch land, onderzoeksjournalistiek bestaat er wel, maar alleen als er geen belangen worden geschaadt van mensen die wat te vertellen hebben. Ik bekijk nu dat land toch met iets andere ogen, politiek gezien dan, en die vermeende persvrijheid < die is er niet...

Overigens is Brian Kennedy van plan de McCanns voor het leven te ondersteunen: "According to the British media, the multimillionaire Brian Kennedy is ready to finance Kate and Gerry McCann for the rest of his life, putting at the couple's disposal the entirety of his personal fortune, estimated at more than £450 million." Bron So why is that Mister Brian Kennedy, the parents won't and don't really care...Why!
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Ook 24 Horas komt met het nieuws dat getuigen door de McCanns én Brian Kennedy zijn gehoord, bezocht en zelfs bij hun thuis ontvangen Iets wat eerder al door collega-krant Correio da Manhã werd onthuld, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais:
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Witnesses Heard by The PJ in the Maddie Case Were Sounded Out by the McCanns
McCanns searched for Witnesses
by Luís Maneta
The mediatic process was still under the secrecy of justice, Kate and Gerry had already been constituted as arguidos, but nonetheless Madeleine's parents did not stop having contacts with witnesses. Three of them told everything to the authorities.

During the period in which the process Maddie was kept under the secrecy of justice, the McCann family had knowledge of what several witnesses knew. Persons who were sounded out and questioned by detectives hired to discover the whereabouts of the English girl, or even by a millionaire friend of the couple, reported subsequently the fact to the authorities, as stated in the process made public last month.

Between the witnesses "searched" on the McCanns request is Charlotte Pennington, one of the Ocean Club nannies, and Martin Smith, an Irish tourist who swore to be convinced of having seen Gerry carrying a child on his arms, in the fateful night of the 3rd of May in which the English girl disappeared of the apartment rented by the family in Praia da Luz.

Another witness, Catriona Baker, an Ocean Club nanny who knew personally Madeleine McCann, was received at the home of Kate and Gerry in November of 2007; months before her giving a statement to the Leicester police, in the scope of the rogatory letters sent by the Portuguese authorities for the United Kingdom.

When cross-examined by the English police, in April of 2008, Catriona Baker revealed the existence of this meeting: “I visited the family at their home in the sequence of an invitation to see how everyone was”.

Millionaire spoke with witness

In the questioning, besides describing the routine of the children in the crèche where they spent a great part of the day, Catriona shows that, when she knew of Maddie's disappearance, she searched for her everywhere, following on foot all the routes that were familiar to her, from the area around the Tapas Bar to the beach. “I did not see Kate or Gerry on that night”, she guarantees.

In his turn, the Irish tourist Martin Smith said to the British authorities that he had been contacted by Brian Kennedy - one of the biggest financiers of the Madeleine McCann Fund - in a date that he did not specify. Brian Kennedy justified the initiative with the purpose of elaborating a visual rendering of the man that Martin Smith said to have seen, a little after 22h00, carrying a child near the Ocean Club.

Initially, Smith did not identify the person. But after returning England and having seen Gerry McCann with one of the twins on his arms he was “60-80 % sure” that it was the same person. Having suspicions, Smith, did not only help to do any sketches he also refused to give informations.

Charlotte Pennington also said to have been approached by initiative of the McCanns. In this case, the contact was done through a private investigator, Noel Hagan, who works for Metodo 3, one of the detectives' agencies hired by Maddie's parents. “Charlotte assured to me that she only told him the same informations that she had already given to the PJ and to me”, wrote the English police officer who spoke with the former Ocean Club nanny. Source: 24 Horas
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Op mccannfiles zijn de afbeeldingen van die gescheurde kinderboek-kaften van Madeleine geplaatst, hoe haal je het als ouders in je hoofd, je kind net vermist en dan ga je 's nachts zitten krabbelen op boeken van je kind om de timelines qua checks te noteren/synchroniseren, it's beyond me:
Cover of Madeleine's sticker book that was ripped off and used by Russell O'Brien to write down two timelines before the police arrived


Maddie's sticker book, front cover


Maddie's sticker book, with timeline on inside cover


Maddie's sticker book, with 2nd timeline on inside cover (dubbelklik voor details)


Maddie's sticker book, back cover

Madeleine's book

Madeleine's parents ripped off both covers, the front and the back, from a book belonging to Madeleine, in order to write on the inside the timing for each person. Russell O'Brien was involved with the drawing up of the timing. The book was seized by the GNR on the night of the disappearance. It is to be noted that the writing down of the timing on the inside of the book covers was done before the police arrived on the spot. These covers would be attached to the case file, as elements of the investigation, on September 7th 2007, although seized during the night of 3rd to 4th May. Here are the terms on which the seizure document was based.

Terms of seizure:

At this time, it is considered of interest to the investigation to attach to the present deed, two covers of a child's book, on the inside covers of which is a schedule for supervision, hand-written by one of the McCann couple's group of friends and participant in this deed by name of Russell O'Brien.

Iets uitgebreider uit een eerder topic, Maddie’s book torn by the parents

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Naast de vele leugens van de McCanns e.a. die inmiddels wel bekend zijn en hoogst waarschijnlijk nog zullen komen is de naam Maddie ook een vette leugen. The McCanns never called Madeleine 'Maddie'?

Kate beweerd in het Expresso-interview: "Q – Aren’t youcurious to know what the book says? Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won’t help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that.

Oh nee??? Op mccannfiles heeft Nige wat speurwerk gedaan.

Gerry McCann
'April 2005- Back in Leicester and looking for a job. Now father of three with Sean and Amelie joing Maddie.' Gerry's Friends Reunited entry, April 2005 - entry updated May 2007 but 'Maddie' remained.

(Dubbelklik voor details)

(origineel)

Eileen McCann (Gerry's mother)
"Anyone who knows Gerry and Kate knows that they cherished Maddie."
"Somebody came into Maddie's room, carried her out in her pyjamas..."
The Sun, 28 April 2008 Link

John McCann (Gerry's brother)
"They're much more positive about things that can be done to get Maddy back." Liverpool Daily Post, 10 May 2007 Link "Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May 2007 Link

Susan Healy (Kate's mother)
"This is a set-up. Maddie is Kate and Gerry's world. They would never do anything to harm her." Daily Mail, 08 September 2007 Link

Mark McQueen (Sean's godfather)
"We know Maddie very well. She is an adorable, glorious and funny three-year-old." Liverpool Confidential, 09 May 2007 Link

Charlotte Pennington (Ocean Club nanny)
"She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene. "We knew that one of the other nanny's charges was called Maddie." Daily Mail, 25 September 2007 Link

En dan voeg ik er zelf eentje toe, uit Gerry's eigen Blog. Dag 42 - 14/06/2007 (Bron): "Kate and I picked up a friend from Faro airport who has been instrumental in helping with the campaign. He has been fantastic, producing the DVD of Madeleine to ‘Don’t you forget about me’ which has been shown at many sporting events and concerts as well as producing the look for maddie logo and various posters." Screenshot

Zelfs over haar naam menen ze te moeten liegen...De cover van Amaral's boek klopt dus wel degelijk.

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  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 11:27:22 #256
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DAt klopt Suko, wat er nu precies is bekonkeld toen brown in Portugal was weet ik niet maar feit is dat Amaral heel snel van het onderzoek af is gehaald en dat er opeens een nieuwe weg is ingeslagen, de kidnap theorie werd ineens omarmd.

Ook dat verdwijnen van het haar bij FSS en de beweringen dat die sniffer dogs het dan wel fout zouden hebben gehad, gecombineerd met het verzetten van de meubels in het appartement in PdL.

Wat mij nog steeds heel erg steekt is het niet meewerken van de Tapas bende aan de reconstructie en het verdwijnen van de rogatory letters. Dat is mij allemaal veel te toevallig, evenals het gegeven dat Kate zich heeft omgekleed en de statements over Gerry die gezien is met Maddy in zijn armen. Okay voor 80% zekerheid maar dat de vertegenwoordigers van de McCanns met hen hebben gepraat is echt te erg voor woorden.

Wat ik in mijn vorige post idd ook probeerde te zeggen is dat het niet zoveel meer uit maakt wie er nu wat verkeerd heeft gedaan, gooi dat nu eens allemaal op een bult, gewoon al die statements en al die bewijzen, afschriften van verhoren, bevindingen van de PJ en de tijdslijn en laat er een onafhankelijk instituut naar kijken, desnoods Interpoll, een onderzoeksjournalist, whatever. Maar dat zal wel niet gaan gebeuren, de belangen die meespelen zijn veel groter dan de verdwijning van Maddy.

http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-detective-says.html

Lees deze link eens en probeer er op te klikken....

Reminder:

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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 11:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)-detective-says.html

Lees deze link eens en probeer er op te klikken....

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Mogguh Middag Kahaarin... Wat dat artikel in de Telegraph betreft, indeed, was eerder gepost:
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"Ook veelzeggend, het Telegraph-artikel welke ik gisteravond heb gepost (hierboven) is van de site verwijderd....Een 3arguido-poster schrijft Ultimately, the Telegraph and associated outlets will have journos monitoring forums but what about the governments Media Monitoring Unit - who are the powers behind the pulling of this article and why? Perhaps they are one and the same? Of maakt Clarence Mitchell gelijk z'n woorden waar in het teruggetrokken Telegraph-artikel: "Mr Amaral needs to be very careful in repeating those allegations. Kate and Gerry's lawyers are watching his words very carefully." En dan gehoorzaamt de Telegraph heel braaf.... The UK is becoming a Stasi-nation....imo.
True, ik teut/post te veel, soms (best vaak eigenlijk) ben ik met een artikel bezig en dan bedenk ik me halverwege, ja maar dat heb ik toch al gepost? Kejje nagaan... En verder ben ik het natuurlijk eens wat er verder in je post staat. Ik denk eigenlijk dat met al het belastend bewijs, bv die honden, en alle bewijs dat er is tegengewerkt, dat dit niet in Nederland had kunnen gebeuren! Een nog kleiner land als Portugal maar wel met een diepgravende onafhankelijke pers en verschillende misdaadjourno's, zeker weten was de onderste steen boven gekomen, Leaving No (Dutch) Stone Unturned! Wij hadden die Briitten een poepie laten ruiken...Ik geloof zelf dat er niemand bereid is zich aan deze zaak te branden, ik heb verschillende theorieën gelezen, o.a. in dit topic, en het zou ook nog allemaal kunnen.

Wat mij trouwens opvalt waarom met name wordt genoemd dat Russel O'Brien/Jane Tanner ongeveer in dezelfde periode een kind kregen. In de verklaring van Russel O'brien: "His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife. The informant's daughter, Ella, and Madeleine Beth McCann are more or less a month apart in ages." En ook via IVF in Amsterdam, ("They had further IVF treatment to conceive their twins while they were living in Amsterdam" Bron) net als Kate Mccann, en ook allebei daar bevallen. "The most important of these were provided by Jane Tanner, the girlfriend of fellow medic Russell O'Brien, with whom the McCanns share some unlikely coincidences. According to the Portuguese newspaper SOL, the pair's eldest daughter was born 'at exactly the same time' as Madeleine, also by IVF." o.a. op Mccannfiles. Ook Amaral benadrukt deze overeenkomsten in een interview, why...

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  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 13:24:42 #258
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 12:48 schreef Suko het volgende:

Mogguh Middag Kahaarin... Wat dat artikel in de Telegraph betreft, indeed, was eerder gepost:
Tja, dat kan ik allemaal niet bijhouden hoor!
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True, ik teut/post te veel, soms (best vaak eigenlijk) ben ik met een artikel bezig en dan bedenk ik me halverwege, ja maar dat heb ik toch al gepost? Kejje nagaan... En verder ben ik het natuurlijk eens wat er verder in je post staat. Ik denk eigenlijk dat met al het belastend bewijs, bv die honden, en alle bewijs dat er is tegengewerkt, dat dit niet in Nederland had kunnen gebeuren! Een nog kleiner land als Portugal maar wel met een diepgravende onafhankelijke pers en verschillende misdaadjourno's, zeker weten was de onderste steen boven gekomen, Leaving No (Dutch) Stone Unturned! Wij hadden die Briitten een poepie laten ruiken...Ik geloof zelf dat er niemand bereid is zich aan deze zaak te branden, ik heb verschillende theorieën gelezen, o.a. in dit topic, en het zou ook nog allemaal kunnen.
Ne, joh, je teut echt niet te veel, we moeten het maar gewoon allemaal hier neerzetten want voor je het weet is het weg, dat blijkt wel weer.... Zulke artikelen maar gewoon meteen helemaal knippen en plakken want als het naar kritiek of bewijs neigt is het maar zo weg....
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Wat mij trouwens opvalt waarom met name wordt genoemd dat Russel O'Brien/Jane Tanner ongeveer in dezelfde periode een kind kregen. In de verklaring van Russel O'brien: "His partner became pregnant around the same time as Gerry's wife. The informant's daughter, Ella, and Madeleine Beth McCann are more or less a month apart in ages." En ook via IVF in Amsterdam, ("They had further IVF treatment to conceive their twins while they were living in Amsterdam" Bron) net als Kate Mccann, en ook allebei daar bevallen. "The most important of these were provided by Jane Tanner, the girlfriend of fellow medic Russell O'Brien, with whom the McCanns share some unlikely coincidences. According to the Portuguese newspaper SOL, the pair's eldest daughter was born 'at exactly the same time' as Madeleine, also by IVF." o.a. op Mccannfiles. Ook Amaral benadrukt deze overeenkomsten in een interview, why...
ja, net alsof het zo afgesproken is, of wilde de 1 niet voor de ander onderdoen en is Maddy daar nu de dupe van, een moeilijk kindje en Kate heeft daarna een tweeling gekregen....
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 13:24 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Tja, dat kan ik allemaal niet bijhouden hoor!
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Ne, joh, je teut echt niet te veel, we moeten het maar gewoon allemaal hier neerzetten want voor je het weet is het weg, dat blijkt wel weer.... Zulke artikelen maar gewoon meteen helemaal knippen en plakken want als het naar kritiek of bewijs neigt is het maar zo weg....
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ja, net alsof het zo afgesproken is, of wilde de 1 niet voor de ander onderdoen en is Maddy daar nu de dupe van, een moeilijk kindje en Kate heeft daarna een tweeling gekregen....
Mogguh all. Ik kan het zelf ook niet meer echt bijhouden, eigenlijk weten we al veel, vooral dat er niks klopt, dat er niks wordt gezegd en dat er een kind kwijt is, waarvan ik denk dat ze niet meer leeft en dat men er alles voor over heeft vooral niet te gaan zoeken, en het geld wordt uitgegeven aan intimidatie, verhaaltjes rondstrooien en reputaties worden beschermd. In a nutshell.

Wat die verhaaltjes betreft, een snipper uit de Telegraph: team McCann wil wat ex-cops inhuren van de Greater Manchester Police's (GMP). "Chief Supt Steve Heywood, head of Greater Manchester Police's (GMP) serious crime division, is among those who have been asked to provide a list of officers, while Mr Kennedy is said to have already met former Det Supt Andy Tattersall, who retired from the force last year." "Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: "Kate and Gerry McCann, the fund and its backers have always sought to employ or use the very best people and resources in the search for Madeleine. "If police expertise is potentially available anywhere, the fund and Gerry and Kate would naturally considering using it."

Overigens, die Det Supt Andy Tattersall was vet fout qua moord op Jill Dando (bekende BBC-presentatrice), de verdachte heeft voor niks vastgezeten, is vrijgesproken...Maar beslissingen zijn er nog niet genomen, B*ll dus, ik kan ook wel bv Peter r de Vries vragen en oudgedienden van de politie, vragen staat vrij maar het heeft in wezen niets om het lijf, publiciteit is het en niets meer.

Pikant feitje, ex-copper Former police chief John Stalker van diezelfde Greater Manchester Police's meldt in oktober 2007: "Kate and Gerry McCann are hiding a "big secret" about the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, according a former police chief claims." + "I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about?" Daily Mail

Over die baby's van Russell O'Brien/Tanner en de McCanns, ik bedoelde meer dat er misschien gerommeld is met eitjes, embryo's, beetje toevallig die zelfde tijdsippen van IVF, geboorten en allemaal in Amsterdam. Niet voor niks kreeg de PJ geen mediacal records, van niemand niet. Pure speculation of course, ook dat de kids van Gordon Brown (waarover toch al geruchten rondgaan qua verkante keer) via IVF ter wereld zijn gekomen, maar ik zeg daar niks mee...

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Hey Suko, dat zal best wel eens zo kunnen zijn met die medical records, verhaspelen van eitjes of de ene dame heeft die van de ander gekregen vanwege onvruchtbaarheid, misschien is 1 van de mannen wel steriel, we'll never zo zo het nu lijkt.
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Madeleine McCann: Seeking Britain’s Armchair Detectives
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “McCANNS HEADHUNT COPS FOR NEW MADDY SEARCH”

As Anorak told you yesterday, the Our Maddie hunt could, maybe, might, you never know, see ex-British police involved. Everyone’s an armchair detective… Or Cluedo.

The Find Madeleine Fund has asked for lists of retired or about-to-retire officers from forces across the country.

Beats playing golf… What do we know so far?

Madeleine was snatched while on holiday in Portugal just a few days before her fourth birthday last May.

And…?

DAILY MAIL: “Top UK detectives to join team of officers in search for missing Madeleine McCann”

Not so much top as retired…

Some of the UK’s most experienced detectives are being approached to form an elite team of officers in the search to find missing Madeleine McCann.

Experienced old sleuths. Anyone seen Miss Marple?

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann: Top British detectives are lined up to join the hunt”

Aren’t they looking already?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/189660.html

Nou, het moet toch niet gekker worden, laat die mannen nu gewoon van hun pensioen genieten zeg.....
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Op woensdag 10 september 2008 18:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Hey Suko, dat zal best wel eens zo kunnen zijn met die medical records, verhaspelen van eitjes of de ene dame heeft die van de ander gekregen vanwege onvruchtbaarheid, misschien is 1 van de mannen wel steriel, we'll never zo zo het nu lijkt.
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/tabloids/189660.html

Nou, het moet toch niet gekker worden, laat die mannen nu gewoon van hun pensioen genieten zeg.....
Ach, die ex-coppers hebben zo ook hun moment of fame, je moet gewoon in al die artikelen op dit woordje letten: COULD. Met andere woorden, het zou kunnen, of...het is mogelijk etc etc. Ook lees je heel vaak dat no decisson were made yet, of varanten daarop. De lezer ziet dat vaak over het hoofd en neemt het als feit aan, dat is geenszins het geval.

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Maar wat te denken van dit nieuws, gelezen op mccannfiles en op de site van Joana Morais:
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"New videos of Eddie and Keela, 10 September 2008

New videos of the dogs

Images of the McCanns villa in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.

The Portuguese police search the McCanns villa and find several sleeping medicines, confidential CEOP manuals, books about murder, and cadaver odour on 'Cuddle Cat', which belonged to Madeleine.

Video released by Spanish Antena 3 TV. 10 September 2008

The journalist from the first video essentially says what is covered in the article translated below. The second video explains what we have heard from Mr Grime previously and talks about the conclusions of the dogs findings, which can be read in the PJ's Final Report.





Antena3 Report: The McCanns kept numerous medicines which provoked sleepiness Antena3 (Spanish)

New exclusive images from the report

Espejo Público [an Antena3 TV Show]
Madrid, 10.09.2008 | 11:03 h.
Thanks to Joana Morais for translation


Given the repeated refusal of the British police to send different reports about the marriage, the Portuguese police drew up a profile searching throughout the McCanns second house, in Praia da Luz.

Thus, officers, accompanied by two police psychologists, conducted a meticulous search in the main bedroom.

In a case of abduction, the family circle is always investigated. The police were surprised on having seen the bedroom. Kate seems to be mourning. In her small bedside table are many photos of Maddy surrounded with rosaries and a Bible, which had bookmarked, with a picture a fragment of the Old Testament in which it could be read: "However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die". [2 Samuel 12:14]".

At the other side of the bed, on Gerry's bedside table the attention is given to, between other books, "The interpretation of Murder". In the study where Gerry writes his blog and where he works at the campaign to find his daughter, another surprise: CEOP manuals, books with access restricted to police and governmental entities.

Faced with this discovery, Mark Harrison, the British police officer brought from the United Kingdom to coordinate the case, finds it difficult to believe. He wonders how this married couple had access to these manuals, which are exclusively reserved for police officers.

The Portuguese Officers confirm, in this way, their suspicions about the contacts which have been provided to the McCanns, which, for them, is translated into huge political pressure that, in their judgment, limits the investigation.

Also, the police find numerous medicines, which they examine in search of the sedatives that they fear were given to the children by the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May. They also register the side effects caused by the medicines that they find, and verify that the majority of them provoke sleepiness. They examine as well the drawers, closets, as well as the twins' room and that no longer sleep in cots but in beds.

The final report of the process, in contrast to the images included in the same report, state that independently of the curious and morbid conclusions, the only fact that one can determine, as such, is the disparate behaviour of the couple at the time of facing Madeleine's disappearance.

Ook Joana Morais komt met verhaal: Exclusive New Videos: Madeleine McCann Case met een aantal interessante links zoals deze: Related: Madeleine McCann the Facts in the Beginning (SOL article)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy

b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators

c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)

d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children.
by Joana Morais
xklamation (aka Joana Morais) voegt nog toe; Final update: Listening to the journalist from the first video basically what she says is all covered in the article already translated, so no point in doing it again. The second video explains what you all have heard from Mr.Grime and states about the conclusions of the dogs findings which you can read in the PJ Final Report. 3arguidoforum

Onthullend....

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Amaral had gisteren in Spanje nog wat interessante informatie bij de presentatie van zijn boek The Truth Of The Lie, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Maddie Case: The former head of the investigation accuses Maddie's parents of hiding her body and simulating an abduction LaVanguardia.es

Amaral presents his book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie" and maintains that the girl was killed by a "tragic accident" on the same day of her disappearance
10/09/2008 Updated at 14:12 pm
Madrid. (EFE) .- The Portuguese inspector, who ceased when he was leading the investigation into the disappearance of British child Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, Gonçalo Amaral, has argued that the McCann couple simulated abduction of the girl and hid her body.

At a press conference in which he presented his book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie," Amaral explained that the conclusion of the investigation which he coordinated during the five months following the disappearance of the girl, on 3 May 2007, is that Madeleine died from a "tragic accident" that day.

"The girl is dead, where she is buried I do not know," said the former Portuguese chief inspector, and highlighted the testimony of an Irish family that on the night of the disappearance passed by a man who was carrying a girl in his arms and that later, when they saw his picture on television, identified him as Gerry McCann.

The former policeman criticised the archival of the "Maddie case" last July, when Kate and Gerry McCann were acquitted of their status as suspects by the Portuguese District Attorney's Office, but has warned that the discovery of "new evidence" could motivate the reopening of the investigation.

"There are many signs of her death," Amaral asserted, who has stressed that the Police dogs detected the smell of human blood and body "with a genetic profile consistent with that of Madeleine" behind a sofa in the apartment that the parents had rented in the Portuguese town of Praia da Luz.

Amaral also stressed that the McCann couple had acknowledged supplying a drug to their children, which they said was paracetamol, but this was identified as a sedative in the course of the investigations.

The night of the disappearance of her daughter, Kate McCann "put her hand in front of the noses of her other children, still asleep, to see if they were breathing," said the former policeman, who considered that "it is not normal that a mother should act like this after losing a daughter."


Amaral described the McCanns as "parents who have felt pain and anguish" and he has taken the view that it is "very difficult" for the couple - who have always maintained the hypothesis of an abduction - to "reverse" this, and adds: "Millions have been involved in looking for the child alive, how are you going to say that she is dead?".

The former inspector from the Judicial Police (Portuguese police investigation) has affirmed that he does not fear a lawsuit from the McCanns and, indeed, he considers that a lawsuit would be "an interesting way to reopen the case". In addition, Amaral pointed to political and diplomatic pressures that -in his judgment - led to his removal from command of the investigation in October 2007 and has ruled that "the British government intervened in some way".

The former policeman has assured that with his book, which has recognised as "controversial", he intended to restore his "good name" and contribute to the discovery of the true facts.
Zeker is wel dat ze laden vol met pillen hadden, dat is te zien in dit filmpje van gisteren. (drogist is op een label te zien, J.F McCann 28, Lark Lane, Liverpool, Merseyside L17 8US Tel: 0151 727 3076, zie dit topic) Beetje onvoorzichtig opgeborgen, in een la, met een rondrennende nieuwsgerige tweeling...tja.

En dat ze niet meer leefde wisten de McCann best wel, waaom anders een foto van Madeleine (die beroemde 'laatste foto' bij het zwembad, nu zonder paps en zusje) in een zwart lijstje met een ongewoon groot kruis. Screenshotje uit 't filmpje:



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Vandaag de verklaringen van werknemers in de Tapasbar/restaurant op 4-5-2007, de dag na de vermissing, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Tapas restaurant staff interviews on 04 May 2007
Jeremy Wilkins (short statement) and Tapas restaurant staff interviews on 04 May 2007

We are still on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007. The next folder in the case file contains the statements of members of the "TAPAS" restaurant staff and statements volunteered by....

JEREMY WILKINS

Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London. He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 20h30 and 21h00, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blonde hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. His behaviour was somewhat strange and he seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village.

Note: The "TAPAS" bar is annexed to the restaurant where Madeleine's parents were dining during her alleged disappearance.

TAPAS

Today we went to the "TAPAS" restaurant, owned by the OCEAN CLUB in Praia da Luz, where we collected statements from several employees. The subject of the statements was focused on little Madeleine McCann's disappearance as well as the behaviour of people in the group who dined in the same restaurant and who come from the same country as the missing child and on a suspicious person with blonde, "Rasta," locks.

JERONIMO TOMAS RODRIGUES S.

Bar employee:

He saw the missing child, Madeleine McCann, for the last time, yesterday at around 16h45 at the restaurant. He didn't notice whether anyone from the group of British citizens - 8 or 9 in number - who dined at the restaurant yesterday (of which the child's parents were members) was absent during dinner.

He saw a, "walkie-talkie," placed on the group's table, which was being used to monitor children at a distance. He did not see anyone at all with blonde "Rasta," locks on the night he was working.

SVETLANA S. V.

Russian citizen - kitchen assistant:

She reports that yesterday, someone whom she believes to be the father of the missing child, left the table where he was dining with a group of friends (8 or 9 in number) for around 30 minutes. On his return, a woman, whom she believes to be the wife of the latter, left the table in her turn, and after a very short time, all the guests left the table with the exception of an older lady who told the informant's colleagues that the child had disappeared. During the whole time she was working, between 14h30 and 23h00, she didn't see anyone with blonde, "Rasta," locks.

MIGUEL S.C.

Cook:

He does not know the small child or her parents. All he knows is that they are part of a group of British citizens who usually dine at the "TAPAS". As he works in the kitchen, he rarely goes into the dining room. He saw nothing in particular. He didn't see anyone with blonde "Rasta" locks while he was working (14h30 - 23h00).

JOACQUIM JOSE M.B.

Dining room waiter:

Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined in the restaurant yesterday, as they usually do, a group which the missing child's parents are part of, he noticed that only two people, men, left the table.

The first to be away was around 40 to 45 years old (tall, slim, white, hair greying) and he left the table for around 15 minutes. He remembers this because he had to reheat his meal, which had gone cold. The second (around 40 to 45 years old, with similar characteristics to the first, but with less hair and thinner hair) was away for around 30 minutes.

Shortly after he returned, the whole group left the table, with the exception of an older person who told him that a child had disappeared. It was a daughter of a member of the group, and that's why he thought that the second person to be absent would have been the child's father. Sometimes when the group came to eat at the restaurant, someone from the group left to go to the apartments to check on the sleeping children. He didn't see anyone with blonde, "Rasta," locks during his hours of work. (16h00 - midnight).

JOELSON FABIO S. S. L.

Was contacted at another of the group's restaurants in the same area.

As he works in the office, he did not have a view of the dining room where the tables are, which is why he saw nothing.

He does not know the missing child or her parents.

He saw no one with blonde "Rasta" locks during his hours of work. (15h30 - 23h30).

RICARDO ALEXANDRE D. L. O.

On his day off today, he was contacted by telephone.

Dining room staff:

Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined yesterday, as they regularly do, which the parents of the missing child are part of, he noticed that one man was absent for around 15 minutes (Tall, average build, white, light brown hair). The informant states that it was usual for someone in the group to leave to go to check the apartments where the children were sleeping. At the table, he noted the presence of an intercom. He saw no one with blonde "Rasta" locks during his working hours. (16h00 -00h30)

MARIA MANUELA A. J.

Kitchen staff:

Seen as the latter was not at work during dinner yesterday, as well as at the of the child's disappearance, we have not recorded her statement.

SUSPECT WITH RASTA LOCKS

At the OCEAN CLUB reception, which is open 24 hours a day, the signatory to the present deed, may have observed a person with long, curly, blonde Rasta locks, in a green sweat shirt, corresponding to the description of the man with Rasta locks. The receptionist states that this person and his wife were guests of the hotel group and that he was untiring, since yesterday, in the search for the missing child. The signatory attaches, to the appendix of the present deed, a photocopy of their passports as well as the registration records of the complex.

Editor's note: the suspect with the "Rasta" locks and his wife are of British nationality. They are respectively 37 and 40 years old.
Opvallend, géén melding dat Jeremy Wilkens die avond een korte ontmoeting had met Gerry McCann < hij meldde dat wel in z'n verklaring en vertelde dat ook aan Kate zo verteld ze in haar verklaring. Ook Jane Tanner meldt het gesprekje tussen Gerry en Jeremy, zij had ze zien praten, beide heren hebben haar niet gezien. Jane meldde die ontmoeting ook aan Russel O'Brien en Rachael Oldfield. Jeremy Wikens's vrouw, Bridget O'Donell, meldt die ontmoeting tussen haar man en Gerry ook in een nogal ongeloofwaardig verhaal (dec. 2007). Vreemd dat de man in kwestie, Jeremy Wilkens, daarover niet rept...Maar zijn verhaal staat wel hier: The McCann Case: Jeremy Wilkins and the woman in purple Hierin meldt hij ook die man met “rasta” hair. Waarom hij dan niks zegt in z'n eerste verklaring over z'n ontmoeting met Gerry is raar. Het lijkt op een verzonnen verhaal wat later is ingevuld door Jeremy en zln vrouw, mogelijk onder druk....discussies zijn hier te lezen.
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En verder een grote snipper uit een interview met, daar issie weer, Amaral. Gelezen op mccannfiles (DiarioMetro):
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According to you, what happened on May 3, 2007?

Madeleine McCann died from accidentally falling behind the sofa in the living room of the apartment. That couch had been moved during the alleged disappearance. I think that someone discovered the body, concealed it, cleaned everything and pushed the sofa to the window.

Who?

The parents of Madeleine.

On what basis can you say that?

The dogs brought in by the British police discovered cadaver odour behind the sofa and in the bedroom of the parents of the girl. Also on the small child's toy, the clothes of Kate and in the trunk and the keys to the car that was rented later.

And how did they conceal the body without anyone seeing?

Yes they were seen! An Irish family saw a man pass by them with a child in his arms at 22.05, on the way to the beach. Later, the girl was identified as Maddie. But they did not realise that the man who they had seen was Gerry until they were following television and saw how the McCanns landed in the UK.

What happened?

The position in which Gerry held one of the twins and his way of walking were identical to those of the individual who they had seen that night.

But, 22.05 was when Kate said that the girl had disappeared and Gerry was with her…

The hours are unclear. The only thing certain is that the McCanns told the National Republican Guard at 22.40. So, before that, Gerry had had time to bury the body of the girl on the beach.

And nobody saw him there? During the night when they were already looking for the girl.

Yes, but they were looking for a girl alive, not a girl dead. In addition, I am not saying that the body remained on the beach all the time. Clearly, the first thing was to remove it from the apartment. Later they could find other solutions to hide it. Witnesses of the National Republican Guard said they had seen the McCanns directed onto the beach twice in the course of that morning. Surely they quickly found a better place.


How does it explain that the dogs found the smell of a corpse in the McCanns car?

They rented it 24 days after the disappearance. It was what was being investigated when I was removed from the case.

You believe that they conserved it in a freezer all that time? Where?

There is a journalist who says that he saw the McCanns enter a block of apartments close to the beach, in the month of June… But we do not know in which flat they were. It is a building for tourists and they passed many people.

And why is it the dogs did not detect the smell of a corpse on the clothes of Gerry McCann?

You know which clothes Gerry was wearing that night? I do not yet know it.

There is more information that is still missing?

We asked the English police for reports on the couple, if they had a nanny in the United Kingdom, if they had had some problems in their work... We never received those answers.

Why? Do you believe that the McCanns have high level connections?

I do not know. I do not want to comment on that, but it is curious how the British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, showed his support to the couple even after they were declared arguidos.
Sapperderflap, waneer gaat het team McCann Amaral eens voor het gerecht dagen! Dat is volgens velen ook de bedoeling van Amaral, speldenprikjes uitdelen, uitdagen...kom maar op Kate en Gerry, wat is er niet waar aan wat ik vertel en blijf vertellen...

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Op donderdag 11 september 2008 22:15 schreef Suko het volgende:
Vandaag de verklaringen van werknemers in de Tapasbar/restaurant op 4-5-2007, de dag na de vermissing, gelezen op mccannfiles:
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Goedemiddag!
Zo dan, erg verhelderend, Gerry een half uur van tafel voor de vermissing en geen blonde rasta in sight bij het personeel.
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Opvallend, géén melding dat Jeremy Wilkens die avond een korte ontmoeting had met Gerry McCann < hij meldde dat wel in z'n verklaring en vertelde dat ook aan Kate zo verteld ze in haar verklaring. Ook Jane Tanner meldt het gesprekje tussen Gerry en Jeremy, zij had ze zien praten, beide heren hebben haar niet gezien. Jane meldde die ontmoeting ook aan Russel O'Brien en Rachael Oldfield. Jeremy Wikens's vrouw, Bridget O'Donell, meldt die ontmoeting tussen haar man en Gerry ook in een nogal ongeloofwaardig verhaal (dec. 2007). Vreemd dat de man in kwestie, Jeremy Wilkens, daarover niet rept...Maar zijn verhaal staat wel hier: The McCann Case: Jeremy Wilkins and the woman in purple Hierin meldt hij ook die man met “rasta” hair. Waarom hij dan niks zegt in z'n eerste verklaring over z'n ontmoeting met Gerry is raar. Het lijkt op een verzonnen verhaal wat later is ingevuld door Jeremy en zln vrouw, mogelijk onder druk....discussies zijn hier te lezen.
Nee idd, vind je het ook niet vreemd dat naar mate de tijd vordert er details bovenkomen die helemaal niet geferifieerd kunnen worden en absoluut niet in de eerste verhoren naar boven zijn gekomen, toch een raar iets het geheugen......
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Sapperderflap, waneer gaat het team McCann Amaral eens voor het gerecht dagen! Dat is volgens velen ook de bedoeling van Amaral, speldenprikjes uitdelen, uitdagen...kom maar op Kate en Gerry, wat is er niet waar aan wat ik vertel en blijf vertellen...
Heel goed, als er iemand is die hen het vuur aan de schenen kan leggen is hij het wel, mooi prikjes uit blijven delen zou ik zeggen.

Hier het rondje Anorak:
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International Madeleine McCann: And Eye For Denise Pipitone And Finding Rose Pizem
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found safe and well after four years’”

Italy has it’s own Maddie. Like Isreal? Are we working throught alphabet? If so, look out Jamaica…

Urgent DNA tests are being carried out on the eight year old girl found in Greece to see if she is Denise Pipitone, who vanished in 2004. She missing from outside her grandmother’s house while playing.

And?

News of the discovery will bring fresh hope to Gerry and Kate McCann after their daughter disappeared in Portugal last year, and for the parents of Ben Needham who vanished in 1991 from the same Greek island, Kos, where the Italian girl was found.

Like Our Maddie?

The DNA tests were ordered after Denise’s mother Piera, shown photographs of the girl found in Greece, said the “shape of the eyes was exactly that” of her daughter.

DAILY MIRROR: “DNA tests on ‘Italian Madeleine’”

Madeleine McCann has been missing since last May. A spokesman for her parents said: “If this is Denise then it will give Kate and Gerry immense strength and hope that Madeleine will be found.”

TIMES: “Missing girl Denise Pipitone ‘found begging’ after four-year search”

Greek police traced the Roma woman, 34, who was charged with abducting a minor. One police official said that the girl had the same birthmark under her left eye as Denise, and only spoke Italian. She is being kept under observation in the island’s hospital. The case is as well known in Italy as that of Madeleine McCann. Denise’s mother, Piera Maggio, has made repeated appeals on television for help in finding her.

Italians know of their own missing child as well as they do of Our Maddie?

DAILY MAIL: “Girl dubbed Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found alive and well’ four years after she vanished”

Denise’s mother Piera, who said the birthmark and the shape of the eyes were ‘exactly the same’ as her daughter’s. She added that there had been numerous false alarms in the past, so she would not allow herself to get her hopes up.

But the media can get your hopes up for you…

Last night the McCanns’ family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: ‘If these reports are true it is fantastic news for her family. But it would also give hope to Kate and Gerry because this is exactly the sort of situation that could prove that a child can go missing and be found safe and well.’

If…

THE SCOTSMAN: “Remains may be missing girl”

ISRAELI divers yesterday found a suitcase containing remains police believe belong to a missing girl whose grandfather is being held on suspicion of killing her.

The discovery in Tel Aviv’s Yarkon River marked a breakthrough in the case of four-year old Rose Pizem – missing since May. Her disappearance has transfixed Israel.

HA-ARETZ (Israel): “Until the next tragedy”

Faced with a suspect with a devilish face, an exciting and unusual family story, searches in the river - the Yarkon has never before raised such interest - and a murder without a body, we absolutely wallowed in this story. Oh, how we loved hearing the sexologist talk about the couple’s therapy the two lovers received, grandfather and mother forever. How we wanted to peek further and further into the “Israeli Madeleine McCann” family, which suddenly appeared in our lives; we invaded it with a mixture of voyeurism, gossip and a pinch, just a pinch, of real concern for the missing girl’s fate. Someone will make a film about it.

GREAT YARMOUTH MERCURY: “Visit church in cyberspace”

At 900 years old, a global opening ceremony for Great Yarmouth’s magnificent parish church might seem somewhat belated…

But in cyber world virtual people called avatars are teleporting into St Nicholas’ for a zoom around the vestry or even a stroll on the roof.

For the landmark building has been transported lock stock and wonky weather cock into the 3D virtual reality world of Second Life and now ranks among hundreds of real buildings turned into cartoon locations on the booming internet enterprise where 10m people from all over the world mingle.

Second Life…

Playboy has its own bunny-shaped island and British police have posted missing Madeleine McCann posters on virtual buildings.

Have you seen Madeleine McCann?
Goh, na 4 jaar een meisje teruggevonden, maar goed, van haar was bekend dat ze ontvoerd was, ik heb in geval van Maddie geen enkel bewijs gezien dat zij ook ontvoerd is, integendeel.....

Natuurlijk wordt hier door team McCann dankbaar gebruik van gemaakt, wie weet komt er nog een grote geldschieter bovendrijven...

(ik ben dit weekeinde weg, kom zondag terug, als ik niet post is het niet omdat ik er geen zin in heb, ik ben er gewoon niet. )
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Op vrijdag 12 september 2008 12:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemiddag!
Zo dan, erg verhelderend, Gerry een half uur van tafel voor de vermissing en geen blonde rasta in sight bij het personeel.
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Nee idd, vind je het ook niet vreemd dat naar mate de tijd vordert er details bovenkomen die helemaal niet geferifieerd kunnen worden en absoluut niet in de eerste verhoren naar boven zijn gekomen, toch een raar iets het geheugen......
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Heel goed, als er iemand is die hen het vuur aan de schenen kan leggen is hij het wel, mooi prikjes uit blijven delen zou ik zeggen.

Hier het rondje Anorak:
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Goh, na 4 jaar een meisje teruggevonden, maar goed, van haar was bekend dat ze ontvoerd was, ik heb in geval van Maddie geen enkel bewijs gezien dat zij ook ontvoerd is, integendeel.....

Natuurlijk wordt hier door team McCann dankbaar gebruik van gemaakt, wie weet komt er nog een grote geldschieter bovendrijven...

(ik ben dit weekeinde weg, kom zondag terug, als ik niet post is het niet omdat ik er geen zin in heb, ik ben er gewoon niet. )
Hooi all. Inderdaad, Amaral heeft kennelijk een plan uitgestippeld (misschien stiekem met medeweten van de PJ wegens het niet rondkrijgen van de zaak), en nadenkend over de titel van Amaral's boek The Truth Off The Lie (geniaal bedacht trouwens) zou het zomaar kunnen dat hij zelf er een vette leugen in heeft gestopt. Dat Madeleine niet op 3 mei is overleden maar eerder....gezien de getuigenissen van betrokken die nergens specifiek melden Madeleine op 3 mei te hebben gezien heb ik zo mijn vermoedens. Misschien bestaat die familie Smith helemaal niet maar is dat een uitgekiend verzinsel van het team McCann, opdat dat ook weer een 'bewijs' is dat Madeleine is gezien, krom gedacht, maar nog heel siimpel als je de spinsels van Clarence Mitchell moet geloven. Net als dat ontvoeringsverhaal van dat meisje wat nu gevonden is, na 4 jaar. Vandaag blijkt het trouwens niet het meisje Denise Pipitone te zijn, Maar alle ingredienten van het verhaal zaten er in, ontvoerd vlakbij het huis van oma (remember, vergelijkbaar qua afstand volgens de McCanns tussen de Tapasbar < > apartement, A gipsy woman etc etc Puntje nog, er moest nog DNA worden onderzocht. Daily Mail Maar het is dus niet zo: But DNA tests proved the girl was not Denise, but in fact the child of the woman arrested.
By jove, you're all disgusting, using other people's misery to put this stories in the newspapers, makng money, misusing all your contacts with other missing children organisations in different countries. By the way, this girl is called Denise Pipitone and not Italy's Madeleine McCann. Shame on you...
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Een nogmaals een interview met Amaral, voormalig leider van het onderzoek en schrijver van het boek The Truth of the lie, bron > mccannfiles:
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"The McCanns are parents who have lost their daughter, whom they loved very much and I understand their pain and anguish" hola.com
11-09-2008 Thanks to 'Ines' for translation
The former inspector from the Portuguese Policía Judiciaria presents "Maddie, the truth of the lie", an account of the most media covered investigation of recent times.

"Maddie, the truth of the lie". That is the title that Gonçalo Amaral, former inspector of the Policía Judiciaria and coordinator of the investigation into the "Madeleine case" during the first five months, has chosen in order to reveal how the search for the little Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on 3rd May 2007 from the Algarve, was carried out.

The text summarises the doubts, facts and the questions of an unprecedented investigation. 14 months after the disappearance all suspicion has been lifted from Kate and Gerry McCann, the child's parents, and the case has been filed, but little Madeleine is still missing.

Gonçalo is a tall and corpulent man, as we could imagine of a police officer who has worked against crime for more than 25 years and who, for the first five months bore the weight of the most media covered investigation of recent times, the disappearance of Maddie. Yesterday Gonçalo presented the book in Madrid, surrounded by a large media expectation and made room in his agenda to talk to Hola.com.

Q: The disappearance of Madeleine has been one of the most followed cases by the press throughout the world. Now you have decided to publish a book about the investigation, was there anything left to say?

I decided to write the book to defend our dignity. Part of the British press and even the McCann couple have defamed my name and that of the Policía Judiciaria in Portugal; I requested authorisation to speak but I never obtained it, that is why I decided to write the book.

Q: What relationship do you have with the McCann couple?

I was the head of the department investigating the case within the Policía Judiciaria in Portimao. I was responsible for organising the work of the investigation and ensuring that it continued on course, and therefore I was with the couple once or twice as well as with all the witnesses and with inspectors working on the case. I do not want to discuss publicly with the McCanns, they have lost a daughter. Neither I, nor the parents are of interest, the only victim here is the little girl.

Q: We are obliged to ask this question. Do you know what happened to Madeleine?

Madeleine died in the apartment on the night of the disappearance. It is complicated to be sure how she died because there are many indications. What is certain is that the girl woke up, the girl has disappeared and that behind the sofa there was cadaver odour and human blood.

Q: You state that the girl fell from the sofa, they found her and that her father took her to the beach.

Yes. There are witnesses who claim to be 80% sure that Madeleine's father was the person who was carrying a covered child towards the beach, in the apartment cadaver odour and the girl's blood were found as well as in a car rented 23 days later. In the apartment there was a sofa next to a window, at a aheight of three or four metres from street level and which did not close properly. The sofa appears to have been pushed towards the wall again, as can be seen by the photos. What could have happened? The girl woke up during the night, went to the window in order to look towards the restaurant where her parents were dining and could have fallen.

Q: The book says that the witness statements from the couple and their friends are contradictory. Is it not normal for there to be some confusion during these moments of tension?

There are contradictions that are not possible in material terms. For example, the mother speaks of an open window (when she discovered the little girl to be missing) and I wonder how it can be that the witnesses responsible for checking on the children, who passed by the window, at a distance of only two metres, and who entered Madeleine's room, said that they saw the window was closed. If events had occurred according to the first version, the window should already have been open. There are many contradictions that lack truth. If one reads a summary of the movements told by these persons, there are things that are not certain.

Q: How is it possible that the first examination of the site, carried out by the technical police, was not sufficiently rigorous in order to provide conclusive evidence?

Unfortunately this is something that can happen. The first police officers who went to the site thought of a possible abduction as well as theft, they did not find any door or window that had been forced, they searched for finger prints from people unrelated to the apartment and witness statements from people who could have seen something in the street. It did not occur to them that the parents could have had anything to do with the girl's disappearance.

Q: Did you think from the beginning that this was not an abduction?

It is not normal that someone should insist and be determined that this was an abduction without considering another option. When a child disappears, one thinks she could have escaped and many other hypotheses. And the contradictions from all of them, lead one to think that something totally different happened. We worked on the abduction theory for two or three months and then we began to think about the theory of death.

Q: The police continued maintaining the abduction theory after considering that the girl was dead. Why?

The parents spoke of the abduction as a necessity. There was no security for the children because if there had been Maddie would not have disappeared. And the abduction theory was dropped when it was proved that it could not be based upon the open window.

Q: In the book you state that even Kate, the young girl's mother, at one moment assumed the death of her daughter. Let's talk of this moment.

Yes. As is mentioned in the files, once the entire world had been upturned with the search for the child, Kate received a disturbing email from a woman who claimed to have powers. This woman said that she had had a premonition according to which, Madeleine's body was in a sewer in Praia da Luz. At that moment, Kate believed in the premonition and a search for the little girl was made. Kate began to act as though she were assuming that Madeleine had died; she even contracted a former South African Colonel who could locate the girl's body using a machine that searches for atoms. The man participated in the search, but without success. There were many psychics who wanted to contribute. However, at that time Kate returned to her thesis that the small girl had been abducted.

Q: More controversial evidence. The dogs detected cadaver and blood odour, but these conclusions were not admitted as official evidence. What credibility does dog tracking have in police investigations?

In England it has much legal value, as in the States, but not in Portugal. Its credibility has been undervalued, it has been said that dogs obey the trainer's voice. But they found cadaver odour and human blood that coincided with Madeleine's blood and although it was not admitted as material evidence, it did serve as information for the police.

Q: The consideration of Kate and Gerry as suspects was very controversial. However, in your book you say that the status of "arguido" brings with it the right to silence, or that of non self-incrimination, something advantageous for any person being interrogated. The press understood it as an attack.

They were considered "arguidos" on the moment when the evidence indicated that they could have committed a crime. "Arguido" is not the same status as "accused" in Spain, it is a status that provides the rights to defend oneself and remain silent, and often serves in order to exonerate them later. If one speaks as a witness, one is obliged to speak of everything that happened, and therefore there are things that could make you culpable.

Q: The media has played an important role in this case. Has all this media expectation helped to find the girl?

No. In my opinion, justice is done in silence. And with all this noise, it is very difficult. I say: who is interested in all this publicity? All the "sightings" of the girl around the world? Does this help to keep her alive? No, they would kill her. And the parents do not want their daughter to die, so why do they publicise the sightings? Because they know the girl is dead. Otherwise they would not do it.

Q: But, how can parents maintain the abduction theory of their small daughter, if they know what really happened to her?

It is a way of moving forward, of surviving. It is like a snowball that keeps growing in size. With everything that they have stirred, with the financial fund they created, how can they step backwards and say that she died? It is not a case of coldness but of survival. But the police investigation was also centred from the start on the principle that Maddie was alive. In effect, and all those sightings that were made public were not beneficial to the girl. If she were alive, and not dead as we think, what would all this publicity do to the girl?

Q: How did you experience the search for Maddie? Has this case affected you?

There have been some very difficult moments. My family has suffered much, my wife and my daughters… I kept them away from the press and concentrated on the case. In September, when school started, they left our city for Portimao in order to be closer to me but they had to go back. The press followed us and tried to find out where we lived. It is only now that it is known who they were, now that I have decided to publish the book.

Q: Can we learn anything from such a tragic case as the story of poor Maddie?

Unfortunately for the girl, her case has served as a case study. Before I left the police force, on 30th July of this year, a commission had already been set up in order to establish a better way of dealing with this kind of situation.

Q: You have entitled the book "The truth of the lie". What is the big lie in this story?

The truth of the lie is what we call the material truth, the pure truth. The truths are the analyses, the procedures and the mechanism that are covered in the case. The lie, or in other words, the lack of truth, is that the girl is alive. The girl is dead. The McCanns are parents who have lost a daughter whom they surely loved very much and I understand their pain and anguish.

Q: Do you believe that we will know what happened to Maddie one day? Will we get to know the truth?

Yes. There were 9 people in this Holiday Group. Maybe they do not know that the girl is dead, but they could have received instructions about what to say, such as "you went to the room and you saw the girl", however they know that this is not true. By that means the case could be re-opened; one day the full truth could be known.
Discussies zijn hier te lezen. 'Enjoy' team McCann & friends...

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Bingo, nog een interview met Amaral, al was het alleen maar om het team McCann te treiteren én de Britse pers weigert ook maar iets uit de openbaar gemaakte files te publiceren. Hier heeft Amaral het over: "I do not know, it probably had much to do with changing the British police. Whilst the family were in Portugal there was a colleague who supported the thesis of the death of the girl. Later when the couple left Portugal, he changed his line of argument returning to the thesis of abduction; and that change, from one to the other, could have been due to some political pressure because of the significance of the media event. The parents raised more than 2 million pounds to find the girl, do not forget that those dates coincided with the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon. Anyway, it is not understood, not only my retirement, but the filing of the proceedings." En dat heb ik ook altijd beweerd, zie een eerder post met daar in links naar oudere posten o.a. uit december, PM Gordon Brown presteerde het zelfs te laat te komen voor die historische ondertekening van het Lissabon Verdrag (die Portiugal zo graag geslaagd wilde zien en daar heeft Brown schandalig misbruik van gemaakt) én de fotoshoot daarna, hij was niet aanwezig, te laat. Gelezen op mccannfiles
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Gonçalo Amaral, police chief of the Madeleine case : "Justice is working in silence" Granada Digital

Lisardo García Friday, 12/09/2008 08:39

In the pages of his book 'Maddie. The truth of lie', the reader is confronted with mixed feelings: the agony of parents for their missing daughter and the stubborn quest of a policeman to know what happened that night of May 3rd 2007.

He has spent all his life in the Police; On May 3rd 2007 he was directing the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimao, a city on the Portuguese Algarve. Before 12 o'clock that night a phone call changed his life, he was notified of the disappearance of a 4-year old English girl in Lagos, in an urbanisation called Vila da Luz. He led the investigation for five months until October 2nd 2007 when he was removed without warning. Now comes to light a book which explains what happened: His truth.

GD .- Reading this book, reveals the strong personal and emotional impact that these events have had on you. Is that true?

Yes it is true, but this has nothing to do with any revenge; it answers to the need to respond to many accusations, to many slanders suffered, both personal and at corporate level. During the time I handled the investigation I always said: Justice is working in silence, but in the end I could do no more, I asked my superiors permission to respond to so many lies, but I was refused. I was forced to leave the police in July 2008, after the case was archived, and after 27 years in the Force, to have the freedom to express myself and restore my honour.

GD .- If Justice is working in silence, is this book a cry to have not stopped working?

If it is true, it is a way of saying that it is better to have honour without life, than life without honour.

THE ERRORS OF THE INVESTIGATION

GD .- Following the report of the disappearance, a police squad arrived at the scene. What went wrong?

I do not intend to blame any colleague, although the photo report left much to be desired, by not collecting any person in those photos, when there were a lot of people in the house that night, it would have been important to have that. There were also weaknesses in taking fingerprints. It was normal, we were a small police station without specialised personnel in an investigation of this nature.

Gonçalo Amaral says that Madeleine McCann died that night of May 3, by accident, that an abduction was simulated and that the corpse was hidden, the parents being suspected of this crime.

GD .- What were the most important facts and evidence which led to the parents of Maddie being declared arguidos (suspects)?

Fundamentally the reports from the DNA laboratory in England confirmed the work of the British police dogs who found a cadaver odour and biological traces of the girl in several rooms of the apartment, on the clothes of the mother and in the car that the McCanns rented twenty days after the disappearance of Maddie; another important test is the statement by the Irish family, Smith, who stated that they recognised the father Gerry McCann carrying a girl in his arms, who seemed to be asleep, at 23h00 that night.

GD .- Then, why did your place in the investigation cease and the case be provisionally dismissed recently?

I do not know, it probably had much to do with changing the British police. Whilst the family were in Portugal there was a colleague who supported the thesis of the death of the girl. Later when the couple left Portugal, he changed his line of argument returning to the thesis of abduction; and that change, from one to the other, could have been due to some political pressure because of the significance of the media event. The parents raised more than 2 million pounds to find the girl, do not forget that those dates coincided with the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon. Anyway, it is not understood, not only my retirement, but the filing of the proceedings.

THE WORK OF THE INVESTIGATION AND THE MASS MEDIA

GD .- How do you remember the work of those days?

That it was very hard, working with a lot of pressure, especially from the media that had moved there; there was a huge television presence and an investigation requires a lot of discretion that unfortunately we did not have. I felt like I was kidnapped, we could not eat or go anywhere peacefully. In addition, it was not the only issue that we carried. That was hard, very hard.

GD .- How did you work then?

We sought out a place far away, where all the police officers could meet, it was the called the crisis cabinet, there we shared all the information and decided the steps to continue; it was an investigation of the team, not of a single person.

ON THE FUTURE

GD .- What will be the future of this case?

Right now the summary is closed, if new evidence or the Smith family were willing to testify in Portugal, maybe things would change. I hope that in time it will be the Judge who gives or removes reasons.

GD .- What now? What is your professional future?

I'm thinking of working in support tasks to law firms, preparing criminal reports; conduct investigations. That is my future that I hope will be interesting.

There are many journalists waiting to interview this former policeman; it is noted that he is tired and, at the same time, satisfied; having given his version, he has recomposed the puzzle, his puzzle. In the book's pages the reader will be faced with mixed feelings: the agony of parents for their missing daughter and the stubborn quest of a policeman to know what happened that night of May 3, 2007. The reader and time will have their say.
Overiges is de positie van PM Gordon Brown ter discussie, zijn poten onder zijn stoel zijn wankel, heel wankel. Natuurlijk speelt de credit crunch een grote rol maar zoals ik het lees en hoor is er een vette whispering campaign aan de gang met een duidelijk ongenoegen naar het onderlinge gekonkel over een aantal zaken, waaronder mogelijk die veel besproken (op fora en blogs) ongeoorloofde bemoeienis van Gordon Brown mbt de McCanns én de monddood gemaakte Britse pers.

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'Iedereen' nog oke hier? Anyway, The News Of The World heeft een enorm lang zeikverhaal gepubliceerd met dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann welke ze heeft bijgehouden van April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31 2007. Zelf lezen dan maar, ook op mccannfiles. Heb het nog niet helemaal gelezen, maar een eerste blik levert al direct één vette leugen op, dat ze die falale avond/nacht gezocht hebben. Not, zoals inmiddels wel bekend is en wat ze zelf ook heeft toegegeven in interviews. Algemeen is aangenomen dat deze schrijfsels niet interessant zijn en mogelijk gefabriceerd zijn door Kate wetend dat ze zouden worden gelezen.

Gelezen op mccannfiles: "Policemen consider that Kate McCann's diary was made on purpose to influence the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance.Several police sources that are connected to the process told Rádio Clube that Kate’s diary does not look like an intimate portrait, as would be usual, and that it seems to have been made on purpose to be found by the authorities. The diary was not distributed to the journalists but Radio Clube had access to the writings of Kate McCann."

Interessanter zijn de fragmenten die zijn geschreven vlak na de geboorte van de tweeling, die dagboeken zijn nooit vrijgegeven wegen privacy. Een fragment daaruit, gelezen op mccannfiles uit de Spaanse krant El Mundo: "Sedatives. The Police went so far as to consider the hypothesis that the death of Madeleine had been caused by an overdose of sedatives. From Kate’s diary can be inferred her difficulties in controlling the child, "hyperactive" according to the mother. Kate’s father went so far as to speculate in public (albeit to deny it) with that possibility. It was also published that after the birth of the twins, Madeleine was subjected to treatment to control jealousy and the doctors prescribed tranquilizers. The track of the pills also faded away, although the twins slept like as angels in the presence of 40 people the night in question."

Het is ook natuurlijk een reactie op die video's van snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie, en mogelijk een aanzet om Kate in the picture te zetten, ze was nogal geslachtofferd en dat moet worden rechtgezet. De eerste reacties zijn hier te lezen.

Rare druif Mike Hitchen, maar soms best 'lekker' om te lezen, hij schrijft het volgende:
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Sunday, September 14, 2008

Madeleine McCann: Diary Of an Unconvincing Woman

The News of The World, a British newspaper universally regarded as a waste of a good tree, publishes a heart wrenching diary written by Kate McCann, the woman who along with her dual-persona husband made a conscious decision to leave three little children unattended while they went off for a night out with typical British lager louts abroad.

Kate, you go to great lengths describing how you close bedroom doors, how in the days after Madeleines alleged disappearance you spent time preparing yourself for interviews, receiving phone calls from Gordon Brown and talking to Tony Blair, meeting the Pope, going to amusement parks, jogging, walking on the beach - in fact you mention the beach quite a lot (as did the detective who was formerly head of the investigation, but you know that don't you Kate).

You also mention the rights of "a vulnerable, defenceless child?" Kate, I know this is a stupid question but if you feel so strongly about the rights of vulnerable, defenceless children (your own words) why did you repeatedly leave a three year old in charge of younger siblings?

In fact Kate, you mention a lot of activities - including picking up drunks and walking them home (with a comment "we've all been there"). However there is one activity you fail to mention in your carefully crafted but transparent self-protection exercise.

Searching for Madeleine.

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En tot slot een meer uitgebreider stukje video van de snuffelhonden Keela en Eddie, gelezen op het 3arguidoforum. Gepubliceerd op TV1, eerst te volgen via Real Player en nu ge-YouTubed, 7 min 47:


Een poster aldaar schreef: "This is a great video on the dogs which contains a fair bit more information and more visuals than the 3 that have previously been posted. I am amazed that there have been so few comments.

Four things stood out above all the rest - for me at least:
1. Martin Grime makes it plain there was no need to put Eddie in the Scenic (cf what he says earlier in the video about the apartment).
2. Again from the mouth of Mr Grime, Eddie barks ONLY when he locates the odour of a human cadaver and at NOTHING else. Doesn't even bark at other dogs or strangers.
3. The close-ups of the clothing alerted to by Eddie dispels a lot of confusion I read in previous threads on here about exactly what red shirt and pants were involved.
4. There is a lot more footage of Eddie at work ignoring other parts of the apartment and it also shows he was not 'led on' as much as some would have us believe.

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  zondag 14 september 2008 @ 12:40:41 #268
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Dankjewel Suko, mooi leesvoer, ik ben er weer hoor.
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Madeleine McCann: Diary Of an Unconvincing Woman
The News of The World, a British newspaper universally regarded as a waste of a good tree, publishes a heart wrenching diary written by Kate McCann, the woman who along with her dual-persona husband made a conscious decision to leave three little children unattended while they went off for a night out with typical British lager louts abroad.

Kate, you go to great lengths describing how you close bedroom doors, how in the days after Madeleines alleged disappearance you spent time preparing yourself for interviews, receiving phone calls from Gordon Brown and talking to Tony Blair, meeting the Pope, going to amusement parks, jogging, walking on the beach - in fact you mention the beach quite a lot (as did the detective who was formerly head of the investigation, but you know that don't you Kate).

You also mention the rights of "a vulnerable, defenceless child?" Kate, I know this is a stupid question but if you feel so strongly about the rights of vulnerable, defenceless children (your own words) why did you repeatedly leave a three year old in charge of younger siblings?

In fact Kate, you mention a lot of activities - including picking up drunks and walking them home (with a comment "we've all been there"). However there is one activity you fail to mention in your carefully crafted but transparent self-protection exercise.

Searching for Madeleine.
Rare druif Mike Hitchen is weer op dreef.
be nice or go away
  zondag 14 september 2008 @ 12:47:39 #269
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Madeleine McCann: Inside Kate McCann’s Diary, The Care Blairs And Algarve Paedos
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

NEWS OF THE WORLD (front page): “Kate’s Diary”

Here’s the news you’ve been waiting for. Here are selected extracts from Kate McCanns’ diary that was leaked on July 28, 2008. It is now September and the NOTW has the, er, scoop.

“For the first time the heartbreaking TRUTH that destroys the lies of Portuguese police.”

Maddie… Maddie who? We’re watching the parents. If only the Cuddle Cat could talk - perhaps a tabloid writer could get inside the mind of the Cuddle Cat and tell us what really happened? It could be worth millions- like those diaries.

“PLEASE GOD IS SHE DEAD? - Read Kate McCann’s diary”

Isn’t it rude to read someone else’s diary? We don’t wish to pry…

Kate wrote: “I can’t bear being without Madeleine. It’s like torture— a slow painful death.”

Hearing the parents…

Kate’s log of the dark days after Madeleine vanished from their holiday flat reveals the true picture of the tortured woman behind the calm, brave face she had to portray in public, as initial disbelief and numbness gave way to desperation and rage. Often she includes touching messages of love to her missing daughter. It confirms the strength Kate drew from her devout Catholic faith—and frankly admits the doubts the trauma forced her to face.

And it’s entertaining, too…

But knowing what is about to befall them turns Kate’s simple account of the children’s evening bedtime routine into a tense drama…

Stay tuned…

THURSDAY, MAY 3: Milk and biscuits for the kids. I left them with this and books and games and went to have a quick shower/wash my hair. M (Madeleine) tired—sitting on my lap—I read the story of Mog (favourite children’s book).

Brush teeth. To the bedroom with the kids. M pulls away and puts her head on pillow. Kisses goodnight for M. Pulled the door to as far as possible without shutting it. Silence.

Dry hair. Put make-up on. Glass of wine. Restaurant.

(During dinner nearby with friends —dubbed the Tapas 7—the group took turns to check the children. At 10pm Kate discovers Madeleine gone. The McCanns and helpers frantically scour the area until 4am.)

Cue credits. Stay tuned…

FRIDAY, MAY 4: No sleep, Gerry and I started looking through the streets around 06.00 as it was starting to get light. Nobody around. Why not? Desperate.

Minutes seem like hours. Outside of the apartments masses of people asking questions about that night and for descriptions of Madeleine. Long day.

(Then Kate, Gerrry and their seven friends were taken to the Policia Judiciaria, or PJ, headquarters in nearby Portimao to give statements.)

Nobody from the police introduced themselves. Nobody offered us a drink or food. All the police dressed informally and smoking. No sympathy was shown and far from inspiring.

I believe my statement would have been around 15.00 and such. They allowed G (Gerry) to come in with me but seated behind me. Translator present.

The police officer who took us by car to the station was the one asking the questions and afterwards typed the answers on a typewriter. Morose.

We left the police station around 7.30pm to 8pm. After 15 minutes we received a call from the PJ saying we had to go back but they didn’t tell us why. We turned around and flew back at around 200 kilometres an hour. Once again frightening. Did they find her? Please God. Is she dead? Prayers. We arrived—they showed us a photo of a girl they’d forgotten to show us from the close circuit TV footage. Not M. Devastating.

It’s never Madeleine. Not yet. But still the media points fingers…

WEDNESDAY, MAY 23: Gordon Brown (then Chancellor and PM in waiting) called and spoke with Gerry -very kind and giving encouragement.

MAY 31: Two days later her diary recalls: “Pope Benedict XVI arrived in his “pope mobile” waving to everyone. It immediately became clear that he recognised us. He took hold of our hands and he was so gentle, so sincere.
“I thanked him for having allowed us to be there with him. He said he would pray for us and that he would continue to pray for Madeleine and for her safe return. I gave him the photo of Madeleine—he blessed it (with the thumb)—something that we would be able to keep for ever. A shy man but very friendly.

It’s the big news story, and people want in…

SUNDAY, JUNE 17: Cherie Blair (then the Premier’s wife) phoned to find out how we were…

I also had the chance to speak to Tony (then Prime Minister) who told me that we weren’t to hesitate to ask him if there was something he could do to help.

And what did they do?

SATURDAY, JUNE 2: I can’t remember today (which is now yesterday!). The morning was spent doing paperwork. I wrote a letter to JK Rowling, asking for her help in keeping M in the public eye. She has a new Harry Potter book which will come out in July. I asked if it would be possible to do something like a bookmark with M on.

Rowling did help with the reward. The big names wer massing around the big story…

SATURDAY, JUNE 2: Cried again in bed—I can’t avoid it. I need her close to me. Thinking about her fear of pain breaks my heart. Thinking about paedophiles makes me want to tear at my own skin. Of course these people, like psychopaths, aren’t “normal” human beings.I was never in favour of the death penalty, but these people should be kept in a secure place.

Paedos!

SUNDAY PEOPLE: “MADDIE COPS IN PAEDOS BUNGLE”

Paedos!

Furious British police threatened legal action against Portugal’s Madeleine McCann investigation cops in a row over paedophiles, The People can reveal.

Paedos!!!

Portuguese officers planned to name up to 80 British sex pests who were known to be in the country at the time the youngster went missing.

Why would they do that?

But Leicestershire force’s Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior blocked the move, claiming that naming registered sex offenders would do nothing to help the Maddie investigation - and could lead to vigilante attacks.

Yes, that sounds right and proper.

A legal source close to Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 40, said yesterday: “There was a huge row between the British and Portuguese police which was finally settled out of court.”

So British and Portuguese police did liaise and agreed on certain things. How does this make the Portuguese bungling?

VENTURA COUNTY STAR: “Safety vs. independence Parents worry about kids traveling alone”

As a child, Debbie Veney Robinson rode city buses to school starting in the second grade. But this year, her 12-year-old daughter, Maya, is safely buckled in the car for the ride to eighth grade at a Catholic school.

Parents around the country are struggling to decide how their kids get to school — walk, ride a bike, take a bus or be driven by an adult — in a landscape they say has changed since they were kids.

Robinson, who lives in Washington, D.C., is among those who walked or rode public transportation when they were kids, but now drive their children to middle school or walk them to a bus stop half a block away.

“I do worry about children being abducted, because it happens,” Robinson said. “I think the best choice is to protect them as long as you can.”

And Our Maddie?

Many experts say parents’ fears of abduction are overblown, a result of intensive media coverage of cases like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who vanished while on vacation with her parents in Portugal last year.

Madeleine McCann: spreading the fear
Zien jullie ook een verschuiving in de berichten of is bij mij de wens de vader van de gedachte? Het lijkt wel of er nu openlijk wordt getwijfeld en de uitingen van de McCanns nu met de langverwachte spot en ironie worden ontvangen. The Saga continuous....
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Op zondag 14 september 2008 12:47 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Rondje Anorak, sluit mooi aan bij je eerdere posts, het commentaar wilde ik jullie niet onthouden.
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Zien jullie ook een verschuiving in de berichten of is bij mij de wens de vader van de gedachte? Het lijkt wel of er nu openlijk wordt getwijfeld en de uitingen van de McCanns nu met de langverwachte spot en ironie worden ontvangen. The Saga continuous....
Hooi Kahaarin, ja goed stukkie he van Mike, gekke man maar af en toe de punten op de i is prettig lezen. Eigenlijk zie ik nog geen verschuiving of twijfel van de Britse pers. Wel een poging van de Telegraph zoals je weet maar heel rap weer offline gehaald. Alleen blogs en fora zijn nog steeds net zo actief als in het begin, dat is bemoedigend.

Tot nu tot alleen het slot gelezen van die b*ll uit The News Of The Lies World, over het bezoek aan de paus: "Later on, Clarence (Foreign Office family liaison) told me that, before that (meeting the Pope), a butterfly had flown above and had landed on the bow on my hair." Dat deed me denken aan deze post van Milagro, uit aug 2007: "ik denk dat zoiets best kan, je eigen leugens, hoe extreem ook in dit geval, gaan geloven en om dat te kunnen is die hele heisa nodig, tot een bezoek aan de paus toe, de ultieme vergeving toch? ik bedoel, welke desperate ouder bezoekt zo kort na een verdwijning nu de paus?????????? wat is dat voor een larie? wat heb je daar aan? in mijn ogen kwam dat over als een soort absolutie vragen."
Ik vind dat nog steeds een perfecte post!
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En verder nog een stuk tekst bij deze eerder geposte video: "
Martin Grime:

'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. So, again, I would say that is a positive indication.'

- Talking about Eddie after he had barked loudly, indicating cadaver odour, in the area behind the sofa in the McCanns holiday apartment

'The crime scene dog has actually given me what we call a 'passive indication', where she freezes, in this spot here, which would indicate to me that there is some human blood there.'

- Talking about Keela after she had given a 'passive indication' behind the same sofa that Eddie had indicated cadaver odour." Mcannfiles < staat nog een video op. Er komen nog meer video's op de site van Duarte levy, klik op translating.

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Even van een andere orde, die dagboekfragmenten van Kate zijn nu gepubliceerd in een Belgische krant, ik had er moeite mee om ze te lezen, ikke ikke ikke, kijk maar:
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De Britse krant News of the World heeft het dagboek van Kate McCann, moeder van de verdwenen Maddie, gepubliceerd. Daarin vertelt McCann hoe ze de dagen na de verdwijning van haar dochter beleefde. Volgens News of the World moet de publicatie van het dagboek het beeld van een harteloze moeder die de Portugese politie van haar probeerde op te hangen, ontkrachten. "Ik kan niet zonder Madeleine", schrijft McCann onder andere. "Het is als een forteling, een trage, pijnlijke dood".

In beslag genomen
Het dagboek werd niet door de McCanns aan News of the World bezorgd, maar door een Portugese journalist. Het dagboek werd in oktober 2007 door de Portugese politie in beslag genomen, waarna die -volgens News of the World- zorgvuldig uitgekozen passages de wereld instuurde om de McCanns zwart te maken. Precies om die "leugens" te ontkrachten, besloot de krant het dagboek te publiceren.

Het dagboek telt 135 pagina's en bestrijkt de periode van 28 april 2007 tot en met 31 juli 2007. News of the World startte haar publicatie met 3 mei, de dag dat Maddie verdween.

Donderdag 3 mei: Melk en koekjes voor de kinderen. Ik gaf hen wat boeken en spelletjes terwijl ik een douche nam. M (Madeleine) was moe. Ik las nog een kinderboek voor en stopte hen in bed. (...)
Haar drogen. Make-up opdoen en naar het restaurant.
(Tijdens het etentje met vrienden gaan de ouders beurtelings naar de kinderen kijken. Om 22u merkt Kate dat Maddie verdwenen is. Samen met vrienden en andere mensen zoeken de McCanns tot 4u 's morgens naar Maddie).

Vrijdag 4 mei: Niet geslapen. Gerry en ik begonnen om 6u terug te zoeken. Er was niemand. We zijn radeloos. Minuten lijken uren. Massa's mensen vragen wat er gebeurd is en vragen een beschrijving van Maddie.
(Later die dag worden Kate, Gerry en hun zeven vrienden naar het plaatselijke politiebureau meegenomen om verklaringen af te leggen).
Niemand van de agenten stelde zich voor. We kregen geen eten of drinken aangeboden. Agenten kwamen niet sympathiek over en leken ongeïnteresseerd.

(...)

Woensdag 30 mei: (na bezoek bij de paus). Raak helemaal radeloos. Raak alle hoop kwijt omdat informatie uitblijft. Politie lijkt helemaal geen idee te hebben. Ben heel bezorgd. Morgen is het vier weken geleden sinds Maddie verdween. Vier weken dat we onze 'special little girl' niet meer gezien hebben.
We zijn niet zeker of we haar ooit nog zullen zien, maar we moeten blijven hopen en sterk blijven voor de anderen. Oververmoeid. Ik hou zoveel van je, Madeleine. Je moet terugkomen. X.

Vrijdag 1 juni: Ben het stilaan beu. Ik kan maar niet stoppen met denken aan Maddie, aan haar angst voor pijn. Hoe kan ik verder als ik weet dat ze zo aan haar einde is gekomen. Heb deze week verschrikkelijke gedachten gehad. Alsjeblief, God, breng haar terug.

Zaterdag 2 juni: Opnieuw geweend in bed. Ik kan er niets aan doen. Ik heb haar nodig. Gedachten over haar angst voor pijn breken mijn hart. Denken aan pedofielen maakt het alleen maar erger. Natuurlijk zijn deze personen geen mensen. Ik was nooit voor de doodstraf, maar dit soort mensen moeten veilig weggestoken worden.

Donderdag 7 juni: Ik kan het niet meer aan. Ik kan niet zonder Madeleine. Het is als een forteling, als een trage, pijnlijke dood. Ik hoop dat haar lijden, als ze al lijdt, veel minder is als het mijne. Alsjeblieft God.

Donderdag 21 juni: Ben alleen naar de kerk gegaan om 21u20 om op mijn eentje te bidden. Ben een beetje verveeld. Waarom antwoordt God niet?

Dinsdag 17 juli: Ik maak me zorgen. Ik vrees dat ik in een bittere, kwade vrouw ga veranderen. Dat lijkt me verschrikkelijk. Alsjeblieft God, breng Madeleine terug en maak een einde aan deze nachtmerrie. Laat onze levens niet verwoesten door deze ellende. Laat Maddie niet lijden.
Ze adresseerd Maddie zelf dat ze terug moet komen want zij kan niet tegen de onzekerheid, zij heeft haar nodig, zij is bang om verbitterd te raken en dat het hun levens gaat verwoesten.

Dit snap ik niet, gillende paniek omdat je kind weg is begrijp ik, woede omdat ze nog niet is gevonden ook, ontzettende spijt omdat ze haar alleen hebben gelaten snap ik ook maar dit, zelfbeklag, veveeldheid omdat God niet antwoord, mopperen op de politie vanwege het zich niet voorstellen of eten en drinken aanbieden, het is net alsof zij het slachtoffer is van de verdwijning van hun dochter en dat de hele wereld tegen haar is.......
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Op maandag 15 september 2008 10:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Even van een andere orde, die dagboekfragmenten van Kate zijn nu gepubliceerd in een Belgische krant, ik had er moeite mee om ze te lezen, ikke ikke ikke, kijk maar:
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Ze adresseerd Maddie zelf dat ze terug moet komen want zij kan niet tegen de onzekerheid, zij heeft haar nodig, zij is bang om verbitterd te raken en dat het hun levens gaat verwoesten.

Dit snap ik niet, gillende paniek omdat je kind weg is begrijp ik, woede omdat ze nog niet is gevonden ook, ontzettende spijt omdat ze haar alleen hebben gelaten snap ik ook maar dit, zelfbeklag, veveeldheid omdat God niet antwoord, mopperen op de politie vanwege het zich niet voorstellen of eten en drinken aanbieden, het is net alsof zij het slachtoffer is van de verdwijning van hun dochter en dat de hele wereld tegen haar is.......
Zo is het Kahaarin, dat is wat velen op die manier hebben gelezen. Ook dat nieuwe feitje dat ze in een andere kamer sliep omdat Gerry haar die avond niet genoeg aandacht gaf. "She confirmed that this happened part way through their holiday, on the night of May 2 last year, after she argued with her husband Gerry because he ignored her." Bron Het doet me nog steeds denken aan dat profiel van een moeder die haar kind heeft omgebracht (al of niet per ongeluk), was altijd met zichzelf bezig, jaloers als een kind aandacht vroeg aan vader, vertoonde kindgedrag, ijdel, etc etc, en ook te totale ontkenning dat zij het had gedaan, alleen maar anderen de schuld geven wat háár was overkomen. Ik plaatste in een post (niet zolang geleden) een link over zo'n profiel, kan ik alleen niet meer vinden maar die analyse past pijnlijk feilloos op Kate. Dat blijkt ook nu weer uit deze dagboekfragmenten ondanks (of juist dáárom) de wetenschap dat deze zouden worden gelezen. Het gaat om Kate en nergens anders over. Maar ook dat ergerlijke geouweneel heeft een doel. Zij weten donders goed dat fora en blogs hierover als bloedhonden gaan posten, ook weer publiciteit, want ook de pro-McCanns hebben dan weer aanleiding wederom hun steun te betuigen. Keeping de McCanns in the picture, you know, no matter what...

En verder op mccannfiles, waar ook de video's zijn gepubliceerd. en ook op SOSmaddie.be: Madeleine's red T-shirt that indicated cadaver odour



En Gerry McCann zit ook weer uit z'n nek te l*llen: 15.9.08
Gerry McCann: sniffer dogs are not reliable
Sniffer dogs have a high failure rate, according to Gerry McCann. In an interview with the Portuguese weekly Expresso, when asked to comment about Eddie and Keela searches at Praia da Luz, Gerry said that a study made in USA proved that those dogs were not reliable. Sniffer dogs were tested, according to Gerry McCann, with boxes containing vegetables, bones, garbage and some human remains. For 10 hours, four sets of boxes were left in ten rooms. After the boxes were removed, the dogs were called in and “failed in two thirds of the cases”, said the father of Madeleine McCann. Eddie and Keela handler, Martin Grimes, in a statement that is in the DVD files of the investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance, says that the dogs have been used in around 200 cases and never gave a “false alert”.

Al eerder had het team McCann het vet fout en ik plaats het weer helemaal.
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Op zaterdag 31 mei 2008 20:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Nog een stukje over het gebruik van sniffer dogs (Eddy en Keela waren de honden die bloedsporen en lichaamsvocht van Madeleine hebben gevonden), iets waar de McCanns via een een Amerikaanse rechtszaak hun twijfels over hadden, 16 September 2007 de Daily Mail: McCanns consult American lawyers over 'cadaver dog' evidence, een fragment:
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Verrassing! Bron Cadaver dog 'evidence' in Zapata case shown to be correct, 31 May 2008
Within a week of the McCanns being made arguidos and returning to the UK, their legal team had consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where cadaver dog evidence was key.

The McCann's legal team requested the files on this case in order to discredit the reliability and effectiveness of cadaver dogs. Indeed, the judge ruled that the evidence that led to the charge could not be put before the jury. He said the dogs were too unreliable in detecting the odour of remains and noted that no remains were actually found. However, Eugene Zapata has now confessed to the crime. The cadaver dog was right. The report concerning Zapata's guilty plea can be viewed here. < Uit dit artikel: "Blanchard said because Jeanette Zapata's body was dumped in numerous Dumpsters at the landfill, there is no way to recover her remains." Hoe gruwelijk ook, de sporen op verschillende plekken zijn door die honden dus wél juist opgemerkt...


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Interessant, Expresso publiceerde onlangs een interview (Exclusive) met de McCanns, dezelfde vragen worden nu voorgelegd aan voormalig leider van het onderzoek Amaral en schrijver van het boek The Truth Of The Lie, tussen haakjes cq cursief zijn de eerder gegeven antwoorden van de McCanns, Bron Joana Morais, ook geplaatst op het 3arguidoforum:
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The Expresso interview revisited by Gonçalo Amaral

“It is false, wrong, most of the replies are not true”
by: Hernâni Carvalho
Nobody is searching for Madeleine McCann anymore, but within the same week, an English newspaper revealed five minutes of the dogs’ work looking for Maddie, the McCanns spoke to ‘Expresso’ and Gonçalo Amaral spoke in an exclusive to ‘tvmais’. It doesn’t look like the same process anymore

The former PJ coordinator who directed the Maddie case, Gonçalo Amaral, is more accessible. He received ‘tvmais’ in his home in Portimão and he accepted to read the interview that the McCanns gave to ‘Expresso’ with us. He accepted to reply to the same questions, but he gave very different answers. “It is false, wrong, most of the replies are not true”, was what we heard him say most often. Concerning his relationship with the couple, he says they knew each other well. “They knew who I was and they knew what my functions were.” Gonçalo Amaral left a challenge for Maddie’s mother: “The lady should explain herself better. When she said that my personal behaviour was a disgrace, was she referring to me as a father?”.

Concerning the couple’s accusations, the former coordinator said very little. “I don’t know the McCanns’ concept of illicit enrichment. I wrote the book to defend my reputation, my dignity and that of all those who worked with me. I intend to continue to contribute to the discovery of the truth. Not everything one does in life is done for money. The statements from that couple seem to appear following an organized campaign of defamation that targeted me during and after the investigation. It will be interesting to discover who is actually responsible for that campaign.”

During the same week in which the McCanns spoke to ‘Expresso’, the PJ’s officer who was responsible for the Maddie case, Gonçalo Amaral, answered the same questions, in an exclusive for ‘tvmais’. The result could hardly be more different.


What impression did you get from the process? Were you shocked over its contents?
(The McCanns mentioned entire volumes of investigations about them.)
It is false. There were not those volumes about the McCanns that they mention in interviews.

Don’t you think that everything that was possible to do, was done? The investigation reached Poland, the Netherlands, Spain, Morocco…
(The couple refers examples of what went wrong with the PJ in Morocco.)
It is false. The PJ never went to Morocco because of Maddie. The sightings were always treated by the local authorities.

If Madeleine had disappeared in England, would things have been different?
(Gerry says yes because the English police is more experienced in abductions.)
Why did the McCanns never want to present a formal complaint about the girl’s disappearance with the English authorities? They have the legal competence to receive the disappearance of any British subject! Maybe the couple would have to explain the circumstances under which the little girl disappeared… Why do the McCanns insist in hiring private detectives? And by the way, has the English police already found the girl that disappeared in England, on the same day as Maddie?

If you have an important clue concerning Madeleine’s whereabouts, will you transmit it to the Portuguese police?
(Gerry said that only when the couple feels that they cannot advance any further on their own.)
I don’t know whether they will do it. But in order not to feel alone, they should contact the English police…

Do you trust the Portuguese authorities, after having been considered suspects?
(Gerry explains that the couple was only investigated months after the disappearance and that once the suspicion is installed, they cannot prove their innocence.)
The McCanns never trusted the Portuguese police. That is the feeling that I have. And it seems that they don’t trust the English police, either.

Didn’t you find it strange that the dogs found traces of blood in your room and in your rental car…
(Gerry states that “No blood was found!”)
What is strange is the blood and the odour that were marked by the dogs in a car that was rented 23 days after the girl’s disappearance.

40 apartments were investigated and the dogs only marked yours. Ten cars and they only reacted to yours.
(Gerry states that the dogs failed a test in the USA.)
The dogs only marked locations and items that were used by the McCanns, which is an indicium that cannot be simply erased and which must be clarified.

Were you surprised when you were made arguidos?
(Gerry says that the media spent weeks saying that the McCanns were suspects)
They knew it already. When they were summoned, Mrs Kate reacted aggressively and screamed at the inspector who notified them. There is a detailed report of that in the process, written by the person who notified them. The worries that were expressed by Mrs Kate at that moment are very curious.

Do you investigate information that point towards Madeleine’s death?
(We want to find her alive, Kate stated.)
The McCanns were the first who gave a signal that the little girl could be dead. They hired a South-African expert who finds dead missing people and it was Mrs Kate who gave us an email that mentioned that the little girl was dead.

Do you still believe that she’s alive?
(Kate: “There are great possibilities that she is alive, isn’t it? There is nothing in the process to indicate that something bad has happened to her…”)
Maddie is dead. The Public Ministry went further and objectively mentioned homicide.

But there are no indicia that she has been abducted, either.
(Kate refers that Jane Tunner [sic] and the Smith couple saw a man with a little girl.)
The only indicia with credibility result from the depositions that were given by the Smith family. They speak about a man carrying an inanimate child on the way to the beach area.

The PJ discredits Jane Tanner’s testimony. They say that when she saw said man with the child, you [Gerry] were chatting nearby and it was impossible that you hadn’t seen him as well…
(Gerry says he didn’t see because his back was turned while he was chatting with a friend.)
Jane Tanner’s testimony has evolved in an inverse manner to human mentality. Initially, she had seen only a person at a distance. As time went by, she started remembering details in such a manner that at the end, she even remembered the texture of the clothing that the man and the little girl were wearing. That was how she pointed at Murat. The only deposition that is credible is the Smiths’.

Later on, that family stated that the man they saw was Gerry…
(Gerry says that he was at the restaurant at that time.)
The time at which the alarm of the disappearance was raised was never confirmed. The time that was reported by the Smiths always places Mr Gerry away from the dinner table. I know that the Smiths exist since the 16th of May, 2007. The McCanns probably do, as well. Why did they never wish to mention them in public. Whoever took the little girl on that evening did in fact cross ways with the Smiths.

Was it a coincidence that you were made arguidos on one day and returned home the next day?
(“The PJ knew about our return.”)
It was no coincidence. We knew about the couple’s departure since the day that the dogs started working.

Were you afraid of being arrested?
(Obviously… It was scary)
False. They always knew that the crimes that were at issue, according to the Portuguese law, would not give origin to a detention unless caught in flagrant. “Concealment of a cadaver and simulation of a crime”.

Being in England, you would not be extradited anymore.
(Gerry: “It was better not to be in Portugal at that point in time.”)
Theoretically, extradition is an instrument of international judiciary cooperation…

Why?
(Kate: “Because of the hostile environment.”)
They were made arguidos in order to have more rights. They used them well.

Why did Kate refuse to answer questions during your interrogation, that Gerry accepted to clarify the next day?
(Kate says she was advised by the lawyer not to reply, Gerry says he was advised as well but preferred to disobey.)
Wrong. The questioning was not the same. There were questions that were asked from Kate, to which only she could answer. Those questions remain unanswered until this day.

Why didn’t you authorize the police to see the messages that you sent and received on your mobile phone on the eve of Maddie’s disappearance.
(Gerry: “Nobody asked to see my messages.”)
False. The couple signed an authorization and a document was made with the reading of their telephones’ registry. When we read those registries, we detected calls that had been erased and other curiosities that were noted in the process files…

The chief inspector in the case, Tavares de Almeida, writes a report where he says that your friends lied to save you, that Maddie died in the living room, and that you hid the body.
(Gerry: “Ask the police why they saw us as suspects.”)
Wrong, just read the process.

The majority of crimes where the victims are children are committed by the parents.
(Gerry: “Not in the case of abducted children.”)
And even in abduction cases, very often, they are related to the parents.

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The “Sun” newspaper reduced 3 hours into 5 minutes

The dogs that are trained to detect cadaver and human blood odour were proposed to carry out searches in Praia da Luz by the English policemen themselves. Expert Mark Harrison suggested the use of British dogs that are experts in detecting cadavers, in a report that he sent to the English police. The searches that Keela and Eddie carried out in Praia da Luz were taped on video. Tvmais has already accessed the three hours of images. British newspaper “Sun” reduced them into five minutes, changed the recording order and omitted parts of the dog handler’s explanations. Eddie and Keela are sniffer dogs of the springer spaniel breed, especially trained to detect cadaver and human blood odour. In the video, Eddie (that detects cadaver odour) can be seen in a garage where ten cars are parked. The dog runs towards the Renault Mégane [sic] that the McCanns rented 23 days after their daughter’s disappearance. Keela (trained to find blood traces) marked the boot of the same vehicle. In the same video, the dogs can be seen marking the McCanns’ apartment after searching in 40 apartments. Tvmais knows that these dogs have passed all the tests that they were subject to by the FBI, and that they never gave a single “false positive result”. According to expert Martin Grime, the dogs have not failed in over 200 searches that they have carried out until this day. Faced with the same tests, the FBI dogs did not complete one third of the tests. Keela and Eddie are protected by an insurance of 7.5 million euros each. English expert Martin Grime recently signed a millionaire contract with the FBI to work for American police. He has not left for the US yet, because the searches for cadavers in an English shelter are ongoing and the dogs are on location, fulfilling their mission to 100 percent.

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Truth or consequence?

When Gonçalo Amaral published “Maddie, the Truth about the Lie”, the McCanns’ spokesman announced that the couple would sue the former PJ investigation coordinator. Clarence Mitchell knew that he was bluffing. Any process against Gonçalo Amaral will allow him to reveal issues that were devalued within the Maddie process, during a trial. The devaluation prevented the process from reaching a court room. It would not be now that the couple would want some questions to get there. Furthermore, the McCanns continue to state that they have not read the book…

Once again, Mitchell bluffed.

Abduction, disappearance or death?

The FindMadeleine Fund was created on the presumption that the little girl disappeared because she was abducted. The fund started to receive money from members of the public who wanted to contribute to the ongoing search for the little girl. Several detectives were hired for that, despite the fact that the McCann couple never presented a complaint about the disappearance of Madeleine to the English authorities.

And they should, just like other British subjects did in the past. In order to search for Madeleine, among others, the detectives from agency Metodo 3 were hired, who promised to deliver the little girl on Christmas 2007. And Oakley International, which states that it employs former members of the FBI and from the British secret services. What is known from this agency’s work is the discovery that Mr Joaquim Agostinho, from Altura, in Monte Gordo, resembled the photofits? Tvmais has discovered that Oakley has presented 30.000 (?) euros during the fiscal year of 2007. Which seems to indicate that spies are on sale. But no. Just the two invoices that were written by these two agencies almost sank the FindMadeleine fund.

Some multimillionaires that used to contribute to pay for the detectives (Brian Kennedy, for example) stopped doing so. The fund that was founded to search for a missing girl, will presumably end as soon as someone proves that the little girl is dead. At least that is what the British law foresees. Until then, the search for the girl continues. The McCanns received a compensation of over 500.000 euros from the British newspapers. With a little more money that the FindMadeleine fund may still hold, the search will continue. Maybe at more modest prices.

in: tvmais, September 15, 2008* Translation by super-fantastic Astro *paper edition.
Related: McCanns in Expresso- Interview
Overigens blijft het toch ook opmerkelijk dat de McCanns geen actie ondernemen: "Talking to “Barlavento Online” a Algarve news site, Mr. Alves admitted that, after the analysis to the 30 thousand pages of the files is finished, “we can reach the conclusion that we should do nothing and just leave everything as it is”, concerning further legal action for reopen the investigation of appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office." Bron Dat kunnen ze tot 20 September alsnog doen, denk 't niet...

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  dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:09:38 #274
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Ik denk dat ik weet waarom de McCanns nog geen actie ondernemen, vers van de pers:
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Police to consider releasing Madeleine information
16/09/2008 - 14:28:10

British police will consider whether it is in the public interest to release information about their involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry, officials said today.

A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation.

But Leicestershire Constabulary, which led the British side of the investigation for their Portuguese counterparts, said it must apply the ’public interest test’ before agreeing to disclosure.

In a written response, Linda Dempsey, of the force’s data protection department, said: “An initial meeting has now been held and from this we are still in the process of preparing the Public Interest Test regarding the intended response.

“It will be necessary to consult with other agencies to assist in this matter in order for us to give the due consideration that must be given to such a high profile case and the need to balance the needs for disclosure or not.

“It is clearly mandated in the Secretary of State’s code of practice part IV that this consultation should take place.”
Adem inhouden dus en hopelijk wordt het nu eindelijk eens wat meer duidelijk....

En deze:
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Madeleine McCann: How To Spot Paedos With Sarah’s Law

DAILY MAIL: “Jackboot Jacqui brings back the ducking stool”

Richard Littlejohn continues his Nazi fetish.

Anti-paedo laws are coming into force:

Parents will be able to ask if someone close to their family is a sex offender under new pilot schemes in England. Under the measures, police will be able to tell families if someone with access to a child has convictions or has been previously suspected of abuse.
Yes, suspected

The year-long projects will be run in Warwickshire, Cambridgeshire, Cleveland and Hampshire. The move comes after a campaign for a US-style “Megan’s law” - but the scheme falls short of a “right to know”. Calls for a scheme began after the murder of eight-year-old Sarah Payne by a man already convicted of sex offences.

Boots on gravel… Says Littlejohn

Better to keep all dog-walkers off the streets than risk a repeat of what happened to Sarah and Maddie.

Our Maddie. What did happen to her, then?

When it was pointed out that Madeleine McCann was snatched from a holiday apartment in Portugal, Miss Smith said it only went to show you couldn’t be too careful. You never knew where these monsters would strike next.

Indeed. Spread the fear…

WESTERN & SOMERSET MERCURY: “Girl snatched from outside home”

Snatched?

It’s Tracey, and her daughter Jess.

Another Maddie? Well, no. But it could have been. Really, it could have… How long before the nationals pick this one up?

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Hmm, zouden de gegevens over vermeende pedofielen dan ook naar buiten komen, die zijn toch wel bekeken maar niet vrijgegeven aan de PJ?
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  Redactie Frontpage dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:38:19 #275
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Ikm lees al die engelse stukken niet door, maar even een vraagje, worden de ouders nog steeds gezien als daders en sluit er een eventueel net?
  dinsdag 16 september 2008 @ 17:43:10 #276
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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:38 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Ikm lees al die engelse stukken niet door, maar even een vraagje, worden de ouders nog steeds gezien als daders en sluit er een eventueel net?
Nou, het is meer frappant wat er niet gebeurd, de McCanns dienen geen klacht in tegen Amaral (schrijver van het boek.) ze laten zich niet horen over de gelekte dagboekfragmenten en er komt steeds meer duidelijkheid over de betrouwbaarheid van de snifferdogs, die hebben het vaker goed dan Gerry ons wil doen geloven.

Ik begin voorzichtig te denken dat er idd een net geplaatst wordt, als de zaak echt publiek gemaakt gaat worden dan denk ik dat er veel meer ranzigheid uit de beerput komt.
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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:09 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Ik denk dat ik weet waarom de McCanns nog geen actie ondernemen, vers van de pers:
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Adem inhouden dus en hopelijk wordt het nu eindelijk eens wat meer duidelijk....

En deze:
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Hmm, zouden de gegevens over vermeende pedofielen dan ook naar buiten komen, die zijn toch wel bekeken maar niet vrijgegeven aan de PJ?
Volgens mij heeft de PJ nooit inzage gehad in gegevens van pedo's in de Algarve en de UK, ivm privacy...Wat dat vrijgeven van informatie betreft in het artikel in de Herald, het is bemoedigend dat "A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation." dat heeft gedaan maar don't hold your breath, Madeleine is niet voor niets Ward of Court verklaard, tot ze 18 jr is blijft alles wat met haar te maken heeft achter slot en grendel, dát alleen al zou een reden zijn om de kaken op elkaar te houden. En dat wordt erkend in het artikel dat het een a high profile case is doet nu wel vermoeden dat inderdaad peopletjes op hoge plaatsjes erbij betrokken zijn. Verder is nu wel klontje klaar dat de media bespeeld wordt en dat journo's de bek open willen trekken. Op zich is dat ook al vet nieuws....
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Opmerkelijk, het verhaal/dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann die dit weekend als een Exclusieve in The News of The World verscheen, is verdwenen, foetsie, weg! De link meldt: Page not found Sorry, the page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is unavailable.

Iemand (moderator jjp) op het 3arguidoforum mailde de krant daarover, tot nu kon hij geen valide emailadres gebruiken om te vragen waarom dat artikel is teruggetrokken....amazing. Beetje raar natuurlijk want het artikel is all over the world gecopieerd en uit geciteerd. Maar mogelijk staan er zoveel tegenstrijdigheden in dat dagboek in vergelijking met haar 1e verklaring (allemaal hier terug te vinden) dat de PJ misschien hiermee handvatten heeft voor een aanklacht? Zie dit topic.
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@ SunChaser, de McCanns zijn niet onschuldig bevonden maar zoals Amaral terecht schrijft: “The Attorney General’s Office does not say that they are innocent” and the former senior officer from the Judiciária in the case investigation, who was convinced of Kate and Gerry’s guilt since the beginning, for covering up the death, expects it “to be reopened at any moment”. Bron Er waren simpelweg niet genoeg bewijzen om de zaak in een aanklacht te verwerken en we weten allemaal waardoor dát is gekomen, de totale tegenwerking van de McCanns, hun vakantievrienden (de Tapas 7) en de Britse regering. Een mega-coverup die nog nooit is vertoond met mogelijk (eigenlijk is dat wel zeker) een vet frauduleus Madeleine-fonds.
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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 17:43 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik begin voorzichtig te denken dat er idd een net geplaatst wordt, als de zaak echt publiek gemaakt gaat worden dan denk ik dat er veel meer ranzigheid uit de beerput komt.
Zou zo maar kunnen Kahaarin...!

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Allemachtig, de echtgenote (Sofia Leal) van Gonçalo Amaral, voormalig leider van het politieonderzoek en schrijver van het boek The Truth Of The Lie heeft een (ironische) Open Brief geschreven aan Kate McCann, gepubliceerd in de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã:
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17/09/08 Open Letter: Gonçalo Amaral Wife reacts Ironically to Kate's Attack

Open letter to Mrs Kate Healy

Dear Madam,

You will forgive my boldness, but after I read your comment (in an interview to Expresso newspaper) concerning Gonçalo Amaral, my husband and the father of my daughters, I cannot avoid sending you these words of gratefulness. For many years, I have been trying to make myself heard in this sentiment that unites us both: "…as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Look at it closely:

a) Professionally

- As a Coordinator of Criminal Investigation for the Polícia Judiciária, my husband has always refused to sit around from 9 to 5 in the comfortable chair in his office, as his hierarchical status implies. Instead, he spent the day (and very often, the night) with the investigators on the terrain, coordinating searches, surveillances, apprehensions and other diligences 'in loco'. A disgrace!

But if it was only the fact that he was subject to the weather, it wouldn't be serious, as our climate is not too bad, as you know. The problem is that this dedication to the cause has earned him a non promotion in his career. Indeed, I will explain this to you, even because this case happened when the searches for your daughter were under way. My husband applied to the category of Superior Coordinator, and in between drug apprehensions, sequestrations and homicides, he somehow managed to produce a thesis about drug trafficking by sea, which he defended in Lisbon, in front of a Jury that congratulated him. Full of hope, Gonçalo Amaral returns to the Algarve and awaits the result. To his surprise, he was passed over by other colleagues (real coordinators, truth be told), because he had not been able to score points in the "professional formation" parameter. That's right, Mrs Kate, my husband spent his life working, involved in complex investigations, he was the man who apprehended the highest volumes of drugs in Portugal, but given the fact that he had no time to go to Lisbon to parade himself up and down the corridors of the PJ's Institute, he was not promoted. A disgrace, madam, a disgrace!

- As you probably know, even because you seem like a very well informed person to me, my husband's salary was less than 1.5 times the lowest salary in your country. But as a wife, as a mother and as a Portuguese citizen, I can't complain, because Gonçalo Amaral's salary was equal to 4.5 times the lowest salary in Portugal. But pay attention to the following, which is an example of what I'm going to explain next: At some point, an individual shoots a member of the PSP [urban police] and flees into neighbouring Spain. A PJ team follows him, including my husband. They stayed there for over two weeks. Now at that time, the international expense coverage was around 100 euros. As you can easily imagine, it's not possible to sleep and eat in Spain with this amount of money, much less shortly before Christmas and taking into account that the value will only be paid at around Easter time (if one's lucky). But Gonçalo Amaral never refused, not even for one day, to search for the escaped murderer, relaying the expenses onto our family accounts. And this is just one example among many. At some point in time, I suggested that we should create a fund or something similar to deal with these extraordinary expenses, but he never listened to me. You see, we also have mortgages to pay around here… A disgrace, Mrs Kate, a disgrace!

b) As a person, his behaviour has also been a disgrace, because to begin with we could never distinguish that he even had a personal life, due to the manner in which he dealt with the profession that he embraced. But if my good friend Mrs Kate allows me, I can offer you some examples:

- 5 years ago, a child named Joana "disappeared". Her mother, just like you, Mrs Kate, tried to project the case into the media, but she didn't make it any further than SIC…

Eight days later, came the confessions and the evidence: during an incestuous act between mother and uncle, the child was beaten, then dismembered and her body dumped who knows where. Mother and uncle went to jail, in a process that was coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral and which earned them almost 20 years in jail, each. But let us go a bit back in time. The child died on the 12th of September. On Christmas eve, our family was reunited for prayer, when my husband asked me to prepare a bag with some food and warm clothes, because he had not carried out his Christmas act of penance. Can you, Mrs Kate, imagine where Gonçalo Amaral went on that Christmas night under heavy rain and thunder? He went to the Olhão Prison, where João Cipriano, Joana's uncle, a confessed murderer and a clinically diagnosed psychopath, is detained. According to my husband, to simply offer an alimony to some beggar was not a sacrifice to him. The fact that he embraced and shared his Christmas meal with João Cipriano was the sacrifice that he offered to God, in memory of Joana. Is this not a disgrace? You should also know that every year, on the 12th of September, my husband has a mass celebrated in memory of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro. He says that nobody will ever remember the poor little girl again. Right, but they remember to unjustly accuse him of actions and crimes that he never committed. Isn't this a disgrace, Mrs Kate?

- There is a last episode that I will report to you, one that I still find hard to talk about. Last year, in May, we started to move our family to Portimão. My husband was supposed to enjoy a holiday period starting on the day after your daughter's disappearance. "For obvious reasons" that didn't happen. I started on a new job, looked for a house, moved house, and tried to integrate our daughters in new schools and new routines. All of this I did alone, without any help from my husband, who for obvious reasons, was looking for your daughter, Mrs Kate. In October, on his birthday, a week after our daughters started school, Gonçalo Amaral was dismissed and returned to Faro. This was supposed to be the time of the family's reunion and it turned out to be another separation. Isn't this a disgrace? Our daughters never managed to understand, and we never managed to explain to them what obvious reasons were those that rewarded in this manner a father who left his own daughters to go looking for a child that he had never met and whose parents had neglected her. It was a pity that my dear friend Mrs Kate was not around anymore at that date, because you could have been very helpful to me in explaining these "obvious reasons" that led to their father's dismissal, to our daughters.

Finally, I can only report to you that intimately, Gonçalo Amaral is precisely what the latinos are famed for: shameless, as my pudency does not allow me to write any further.

I ask you, my good friend, to forgive these confidences from a wife and mother, but I'm certain that you will understand. I finish this letter asking you to send your mother my most sincere praises. She sounded so sincere to me, when during an interview she referred that she felt like slapping the face of the person who left her grandchildren alone. She spoke so openly that she sounded like a genuine Portuguese grandmother…

My dear friend Mrs Kate, without wishing to bother you any further, I would like to request one last favour from you: now that you have started to tell some truths, please continue, and let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for.

Best regards,
Sofia Leal
Wife and Mother of the Daughters of Gonçalo Amaral

Source: Correio da Manhã by Joana Morais
Jee, ik geloof niet dat als dit in Nederland was gebeurd dat een echtgenote van een Inspecteur dat zou doen maar ik vind het desdanks toch moedig en zeer raak. Ook het woord disgrace is niet voor niets benadrukt, iets wat de McCanns telkenmale menen te moeten uiten. Zie verder de reactie in dit topic. Van mij krijgt ze ook een blommetje...

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Hihi, thumbs up voor mevrouw Amaral.
Variety is the spice of life
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En dit zou ook best wel eens waar kunnen zijn, dat vreselijk lange verhaal met die dagboekfragmenten van Kate McCann in The News Of The World, nu dus teruggetrokken, iemand schrijft: "The more I read the Diary, the more I'm convinced it's satire. Very very dry and clever satire. And definitely not written by Kate McCann." Gezien in het licht dat de media toegang wenst te krijgen in deze kwesie, zie post van kahaarin "A number of media organisations made requests under the Freedom of Information Act for details about their role in the investigation." Zou dit een slimme zet zijn van de diverse kranten? Er staan nogal vreemde verwijzingen in met bv die trouwring van Kate, daar speelde Madeleine mee schrijft ze, zou M dat in haar mond hebben gestopt met alle gevolgen vandien? Hebben advocaten van de McCanns protesten laten horen wegens dit artikel met dreigen van een aanklacht? Overigens is alles nog steeds te lezen o.a. hier.

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  woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 13:18:18 #281
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Madeleine McCann: The Al Qaeda Connection, British Police Tell All And Alone In Portugal
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MAIL: “Mother accused of neglecting 8-year-old daughter in Portugal admits she hit the bottle but denies leaving girl alone”

There were two of her, occifer. No., wait three… four…

Stephanie Bysh stood accused of the most stupid of mistakes. After the disappearance of Madeline McCann the idea of leaving a child alone for even a moment was unthinkable to any mother in the country.

No mother should leave a child alone in Portugal for a second. No, make that a split second… Hell, you might end up selling your story to a magazine:

The “single mother” tells Closer magazine:

“I stopped taking it before the holiday, but the most I drank was two bottles of wine in a day. I was tipsy, but never drunk. Ariella was well cared for at all times. I was never out of control.”

Everyone was happy living in a small glass box with an invisible dog, eating peeled grapes…

Things took a turn for the worse when her purse containing all her money was stolen and the pair were forced to move in with a local mime artist Stephanie had befriended.

So what happened?

However trouble started when a new tenant moved into the flat and took a disliking to Stephanie. After a heated argument he reported her to the police for neglect and Ariella was taken into care.

The swine. Was he Portuguese?

“A police officer said there had been a complaint about me neglecting my daughter. I wasn’t even given the chance to have my say before they took her away. Ariella was hysterical and wouldn’t let go of me. They told me she’d only be by herself for a few hours and then I’d be able to join her, but that didn’t happen.”

To Faro. Then:

Three days later she was moved to a children’s home in nearby Loule, where officials said she was healthy and showed no signs of neglect. After waiting three weeks for the courts to reopen in September, Stephanie was released without charge and returned to her north London home with Ariella. She is now back on her medication and daughter Ariella has returned to school.

And… And nothing. Not even a comment on our Maddie. Some people have no idea. For shame!

ITN: “Public interest in McCann case tested”

A survey?

British police will consider whether it is in the public interest to release information about their involvement in the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

She’s our Maddie, so…

Leicestershire Constabulary, which led the British side of the investigation for their counterparts in Portugal, said it must apply the ‘public interest test’ before agreeing to disclosure.

Isn’t everything in the public’s interest?

Linda Dempsey, of the force’s data protection department, said:

“An initial meeting has now been held and from this we are still in the process of preparing the Public Interest Test regarding the intended response. It will be necessary to consult with other agencies to assist in this matter in order for us to give the due consideration that must be given to such a high profile case and the need to balance the needs for disclosure or not.”

Might it help keep Madeleine in the news?

Ms Dempsey added: “At the heart of this tragic case is an innocent little girl who went missing in May 2007.”

At the heart? That’s all it is. Nothing more…

LONDONIST: “Review: One Minute By Simon Stephens”

Written in a minute, as seems likely, or read in a minute? Or is it the name of a drama?…

Shining Man stages revivals of lesser known modern classics and with ecent successes Harper Regan and On The Shore of the Wide World at no less than the National Theatre mean Simon Stephens is modern classic material. One Minute from 2003 is brought back with uncanny resonance in the light of the Madeleine McCann case and post-7th July bombings London. An unreliable witness says she saw the girl - but she didn’t, she just wanted to? She did but she got the details wrong? She wants to help but can’t think how? One Minute is almost painfully contemporary even five years after its premiere.

Bombings. McCann. A link? Has Al Qaeda got her?
De commentaren bij dit bericht zijn ook de moeite waard om te lezen, niet allemaal maar er zijn er een paar die het lezen waard zijn.
Over het dagboek van Kate, ik vind het heel typisch dat het nu word afgedaan als satire, ik denk dat ze het wel heeft geschreven, immers, als ze het niet had geschreven waarom is het dan weggehaald? Maar goed de tijd zal het leren.
Hopelijk is het gevolg van het onderzoek van ITN dat de hele duvelse bende publiek gemaakt wordt, dan kan men zelf zien wat er allemaal is gedaan om Madeleine te vinden en welke gevolgtrekkingen er aan het onderzoek gegeven moeten worden.
We zitten nu alleen maar met over en weer ge-ping-pong tussen de kampen, er wordt gesuggereerd dat er niet meer naar haar word gezocht, de kans dat ze nog leeft is imho nihil maar ik vind dat er niet opgegeven mag worden te zoeken naar wat er nu daadwerkelijk met haar is gebeurd en wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk zijn geweest.
Nu is het een koude oorlog tussen de 'teams' McCann en PJ, er worden dingen teruggetrokken, verwijderd en veranderd waar je bijstaat, zou men echt zo naief zijn dat ze denken dat het daardoor simpelweg niet meer bestaat?
Ik vermoed dat de status als ward of court de dingen die specifiek schadelijk zouden kunnen zijn voor Madeleine wel kan wegpoetsen maar de bewijzen die de schuld dan wel onschuld van Gerry en Kate aanduiden, de uiteindelijke verklaringen van de tapasclan en de resultaten van de snifferdogs vallen daar imho niet onder.
Dus alleen de DNA bewijzen die zouden kunnen aantonen dat ze geen biologisch kind is van de McCanns en dat soort zaken zouden dan niet gepubliceerd kunnen worden, behalve als Madeleine dood wordt gevonden, immers een overledene kan geen aanspraak meer maken op wat voor status dan ook.
Conclusie is dan in mijn ogen dat de Tapas9 nooit kunnen bekennen of vertellen waar ze is want dat zou betekenen dat ze dan medeplichtig zouden zijn aan tegenwerken van het onderzoek, verbergen van een lijk, oplichting (het fund), eventueel dood door schuld/doodslag/moord.
De zaak zit zo muurvast dat ik denk dat het juist heel heilzaam zou zijn alles in de openheid te brengen en de kaarten nu maar eens op tafel te gooien zodat er een einde komt aan de speculaties, de mediaoptredens, de moddergooi wedstrijden en het ellendige gespin en aandachtzoeken van de McCanns.
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  Redactie Frontpage woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 15:01:45 #282
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Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?
  woensdag 17 september 2008 @ 16:05:24 #283
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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 15:01 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?
Zou ook maar zo eens kunnen hoor, wat er wel is gezegd door een psychologe is dat Kate een dagboek bij kon gaan houden om alles op een rijtje te zetten, een soort van houvast, het van zich afschrijven, whatever, dat wil niet zeggen dat het dit dagboek betreft natuurlijk.
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Ik heb wat snippers bij elkaar geraapt wat betreft Kate McCanns dagboek ná de 'vermissing', allereerst...op wiens verzoek schreef zij die crap?

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her. She told The Sun: "I asked Kate to keep this journal because at first the Portuguese police were doing very little. http://www.channel4.com/n(...)mccanns+diary/797747 17 september 2007

Iets wat ook in een commentaar staat als reactie op die flauwe kul van Kate McCann. "Why is there an entry for Thursday May 3rd when the diary did not exist until Philomena suggested to Kate she keep one to show Madeleine how hard they searched for her ?"

En iemand anders: "How come Kate can be so acurate about the first days, when she didn't even have a diary? The diary was started a few days latter when she was advised by a psychologist to do it, since it would help her to cope with the situation..."

Merkwaardig idd dat niet eens duidelijk is wie Kate adviseerde een dagboek te schrijven en het klopt ook helemaal niet met die Blog-flut van hubbie Gerry.

Overigens had Kate McCann wel eerder een dagboek waar het volgende van bekend is: "Sedatives. The Police went so far as to consider the hypothesis that the death of Madeleine had been caused by an overdose of sedatives. From Kate’s diary can be inferred her difficulties in controlling the child, "hyperactive" according to the mother. Kate’s father went so far as to speculate in public (albeit to deny it) with that possibility. It was also published that after the birth of the twins, Madeleine was subjected to treatment to control jealousy and the doctors prescribed tranquilizers. The track of the pills also faded away, although the twins slept like as angels in the presence of 40 people the night in question. 27 April 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id105.html

En ook: The last diligence that was being carried out within the investigation concerned the attempt to apprehend Kate's diary, which supposedly contains the complaints about the behaviour of her daughter Maddie and the difficult relationship that they maintained prior to the disappearance, but the PJ has reportedly renounced on that piece of evidence – it is far removed from being able to sustain an accusation.
02 July 2008 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id129.html

It should also be noted that the judge kept some reservations about the requests that were made by the Judiciária’s investigators. Concerning Kate’s diary, for example, the judicial magistrate argued that only later would it be possible to know whether it could be validated, because it revealed facts from Maddie’s mother’s private life. 21 July 2008 21 http://www.mccannfiles.com/id129.html

Anyway, het belangrijkste, de eerdere schrijfsels van Kate, díe zijn belanrijk...maar ja, Madeleine werd al snel op advies van adcovaten Ward of Court verklaard en later zijn 81 documenten uit de files gehaald en overhandigd aan de McCanns, niets mag naar buiten komen wat betreft Madeleine, helemaal niets...pfff.
Vraag blijft , waarom is dat artikel uit The News of The world, als een vette exlusive, verwijderd...

@ Kahaarin, ik denk dat ze in Portugal best nog wel met de zaak bezig zijn, low profile vermoedelijk. Maar wat moet je beginnen als men wetenschap van iets heeft en men kan er niks mee???? De enige die stukjes bij beetjes (slim wel) iets los laat is Amaral. Zoals onlangs dit stukje op een persconferentie: "Reme: Do you know which secret holds the key? G.A.: He doesn't link the secret to the holiday in Mallorca, but said that the group may have one or more secrets. All of them had left the children alone that night, and English law in this regard is very strict. He says that, so far, all have stated that they were carrying out regular checks, but the day could come when they retract their statements and say that somebody asked them to say this. He says that with regard to holidays in Mallorca, Portuguese police should have questioned the couple in order to try to understand what could have happened, he said that it may have nothing to do with the case, probably has nothing to do with it, but this has be understood/known." Bron

En verder weet ik het ook ff niet....

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Nog een interessant stukje info, er mochten geen snuffelhondjes in de UK aan het werk, niet bij de McCanns en niet bij één van hun vakantievrienden en ook de lokale politie heeft Gerry die avond gezien...
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"The dogs were prevented from continuing their work in the United Kingdom"

The following: "Gonçalo Amaral in Madrid:" The PJ was forced to issue a press release announcing the abduction of Madeleine."

Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Portimão, was out of the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine in a key moment in the investigation: Kate and Gerry had become arguidos and investigators had compiled a list of procedures aimed specifically at the couple's friends and holidays.

"After intervention by Mark Harrison, and the results obtained by the two dogs trackers, Eddie and Keela, we thought it would be important to continue the investigation in the United Kingdom," said Gonçalo Amaral.

"Eddie and Keela had indicated that objects or places in direct relationship with McCann, but it is important to check the United Kingdom if the dogs could give us more answers," says even the inspector, adding that " the idea was to bring the two dogs in McCann to Rothley, but also among their friends, especially one of them."

"When the idea surfaced, the first thing they called me (a British officer) was that politically it would be very difficult to do… I was told that my job was to ' investigate a crime and not be politically correct." "We even prepared a sketch of the letter rogatory requesting that the two dogs (Eddie and Keela) can continue their research in England, but we do not let me go further," said the inspector.

"The other diligence that I wanted to heart, and which has also been impossible to do was to bring in Portugal witnesses Irish, in particular Martin Smith, who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann carrying a child in its arm."

"Bringing witnesses in the same place and recreate the same situation would have been important, especially when we know that there are agents of the GNR who claimed to have seen the father of the little back from the same place, this time without children in his arms," concludes Amaral.


With the arrival of October, more precisely on October 2, coincidentally his birthday day, Gonçalo Amaral, in a maneuver carefully prepared, is removed from the investigation in the disappearance of Madeleine, not for incompetence or lack of results, but simply accused of having denounced out loud what many thought to themselves: the lack of cooperation from British authorities.

Once Gonçalo Amaral dismissed from his post as a coordinator of DIC Portimão away from the investigation and the disappearance of Madeleine, the national executive decides to replace Paulo Rebelo, a man known to be close to Alipio Ribeiro and the left. Duarte Levy & Paulo
En dat werd inderdaad bericht in de Daily Mail, het verzoek om in de UK de honden Keela en Eddie te laten snuffelen bij één van die Tapasvrienden, naast een bezoekje bij de McCanns in Rothley. Madeleine: Sniffer dogs 'found scent of death' on one of the McCanns' friends 26 september 2007 En wie zou die vriend kunnen zijn? Russell O'Brien soms? Kind was ziek en hij had om schone lakens gevraagd, maar het Mark Warner Resort zegt van niets te weten. O'Brien meldt in z'n 1e verklaring wel iets over z'n kind maar niets over lakens. Hij was dus vaak opvallend afwezig die avond. Later allemaal ingevuld zeker? "Meanwhile Dr O'Brien, 36, was away from the group for up to 45 minutes while he tended to his own child, who was being sick in his apartment. He told police he had changed her bedlinen, but staff at the Ocean Club were said to have denied that any change of sheets was requested." mccannfiles

Opmerkelijk ook dat de GNR-ers (lokale Portugese politie) de vader (Gerry) hebben gezien op de terugweg, zonder kind, net als die Ierse familie Smith, die Gerry met kind op het strand hebben gezien.

Anyway, die verzoeken werden niet ingewilligd en even daarna (2 okt 2007) werd Amaral van z'n positie ontheven zoals we allen weten. "The British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown called the police counterpart of Mr.Gonçalo Amaral, in Leicester, to warn him that Gonçalo Amaral had been removed. Gonçalo Amaral was only given notice of his 'removal' from the case two hours after this call was made." Bron

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Op woensdag 17 september 2008 15:01 schreef SunChaser het volgende:
Heeft Kate het dagboek niet gewoon onlangs gschreven en zogenaamd laten lekken?

En wat raar dat niemand totdusver daar aan gedacht heeft. Interessant punt SC!
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De meningen zijn hierover verdeeld, eigenlijk gaat het er ook om of die dagboekfragmenten in de vrijgegeven files zijn te vinden, die zijn per dvd aan journalisten gegeven. Wél staat vast dat ze door Kate na de vermissing zijn geschreven op verzoek van een psych of Philomena de zus van Gerry MCann, een nogal dubieus type die allerlei nonsens verkondigde maar nu d'r klep al tijden dicht houdt, zie eerdere post. Er is al eerder in dit topic gepost dat aan de oprecht van dat dagboek wordt getwijfeld, Kate wist donders goed dat deze zouden worden gelezen door wie dan ook.

Nu de dagboekfragmenten zijn verwijderd door The News of The World zijn er verschillende argumenten voor te verzinnen. Of ze zijn niet door Kate geschreven, of wel en dan zijn ze mogelijk gelekt, of gelekt met medeweten van de McCanns, of The News of The World heeft de wet op de privacy overtreden en mogelijk schending van copyrights. Ik hou het op een enorme spin van PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Ze zijn expres 'gelekt' om Kate als barmhartige moeder neer te zetten, (iets wat totaal is mislukt imo) want de NOTW wéét natuurlijk wel dat dit artikel massaal direct wordt geciteerd en gecopieerd. (Of de PJ heeft een protest laten horen, zij hebben copieen van het dagboek en mogelijk is er mee gerommeld) Het tweede zou zijn om er ook geld uit te slaan, net als toen met de Daily Express, die moesten iets van 600.000 pond betalen wegen laster, nu blijkt trouwens dat vele artikelen gewoon 'waar' bleken. Ik heb de meeste nog op schijf...ha! Discussies hierover zijn hier te lezen.

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145755 kahaarin
You are my sunshine......
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Op donderdag 18 september 2008 22:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
De meningen zijn hierover verdeeld, eigenlijk gaat het er ook om of die dagboekfragmenten in de vrijgegeven files zijn te vinden, die zijn per dvd aan journalisten gegeven. Wél staat vast dat ze door Kate na de vermissing zijn geschreven op verzoek van een psych of Philomena de zus van Gerry MCann, een nogal dubieus type die allerlei nonsens verkondigde maar nu d'r klep al tijden dicht houdt, zie eerdere post. Er is al eerder in dit topic gepost dat aan de oprecht van dat dagboek wordt getwijfeld, Kate wist donders goed dat deze zouden worden gelezen door wie dan ook.

Nu de dagboekfragmenten zijn verwijderd door The News of The World zijn er verschillende argumenten voor te verzinnen. Of ze zijn niet door Kate geschreven, of wel en dan zijn ze mogelijk gelekt, of gelekt met medeweten van de McCanns, of The News of The World heeft de wet op de privacy overtreden en mogelijk schending van copyrights. Ik hou het op een enorme spin van PR-man Clarence Mitchell. Ze zijn expres 'gelekt' om Kate als barmhartige moeder neer te zetten, (iets wat totaal is mislukt imo) want de NOTW wéét natuurlijk wel dat dit artikel massaal direct wordt geciteerd en gecopieerd. (Of de PJ heeft een protest laten horen, zij hebben copieen van het dagboek en mogelijk is er mee gerommeld) Het tweede zou zijn om er ook geld uit te slaan, net als toen met de Daily Express, die moesten iets van 600.000 pond betalen wegen laster, nu blijkt trouwens dat vele artikelen gewoon 'waar' bleken. Ik heb de meeste nog op schijf...ha! Discussies hierover zijn hier te lezen.
Het rondje Anorak gaat hier ook over vandaag:
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Madeleine McCann: More Kate Fury, Juliet Stevenson Feels And Ben Affleck Returns
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY MIRROR: “Kate’s fury at leaked diary story”

Such is Kate McCann’s weekly tabloid fury, it’s a wonder she has any time to do anything other then be furious.

Kate McCann was last night said to be devastated by the unauthorised publication of her diary. You mean those extracts that appeared in the News of the World, sister paper to the Sun, the Mirror’s main rival..?

Lawyers for the McCanns are thought to be demanding an apology and payout for the Find Madeleine fund. The McCanns did not comment.

A payout? Well, if her words sell newspapers, it seems fair.. Unless they are in the public interest?


DAILY MAIL: “Truly, madly, deeply disturbing: A missing child leads Juliet Stevenson to some grisly secrets in a dark new drama”
An actress… A missing child… A drama… Now, that’s entertainment.

Set in two time zones, it follows Juliet’s character, journalist Catherine Heathcote, trying to unravel the unsolved disappearance more than four decades earlier of a teenage girl, stepdaughter of the supercilious squire (Greg Wise, in fine lip-curling form) of a secluded, not to say secretive, Yorkshire village.

A murder of a young ‘un set in the past… Think you’ve read it? And..?

“I have always been haunted by the Suzy Lamplugh case, the estate agent who went missing and was never found. And what about poor little Madeleine McCann?”

Indeed. What about her?

“I just don’t know how parents cope with that lack of closure. I just know I simply couldn’t let go.”

Just like the papers, then…

MOVIES (Ireland): “Interview : Ben Affleck - Ben Affleck steps behind the camera for his big comeback ‘Gone Baby Gone‘, out on DVD from this weekend.”

It’s the entertaining story of a missing child…

It was the movie that was going to reignite his career, but then, a real life tragedy derailed Ben Affleck’s comeback. It’s got to be tough.


Poor, poor, Ben. How did he cope?

Yep, all signs pointed to a glorious comeback for the fallen hunk with the cheeky smile. And then Ben Affleck heard about the Madeline McCann kidnapping. Which, eerily, echoed the story at the centre of Gone Baby Gone.

Ben..?

“The Madeline McCann tragedy just hit me like a train,” says Affleck. “It’s such a terrible, terrible thing, to have something like this happen, and we naturally didn’t want to add to anyone’s pain by releasing a movie that might stir up difficult issues or bad memories. We just had to put everything on hold when it came to releasing Gone Baby Gone on this side of the water.”

Still, it’s a good fulcrum for every interview…
Hoe dan ook weer een mooi smoke screen, ik ben benieuwd wat er nu weer boven komt drijven, telkens als er zo'n bommetje ontploft moet er iets anders onder het tapijt.
be nice or go away
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Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 14:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het rondje Anorak gaat hier ook over vandaag:
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Hoe dan ook weer een mooi smoke screen, ik ben benieuwd wat er nu weer boven komt drijven, telkens als er zo'n bommetje ontploft moet er iets anders onder het tapijt.
Hooooi Kahaarin, nou...iig biedt zusterblad van NOTW The Sun al excuses aan: Kate McCann: An apology. IMO enkel en alleen met als doel natuurlijk dat den lezerd moet denken dat het allemaal per ongeluk is gepubliceerd ('arme Kate') en dat het wel wáár moet zijn. En dat terwijl er allemaal onvolkomenheden in staan en voor een dokter heel slecht/onbenullig geschreven. En mogelijk zijn ze anders voor dat artiklel gewoon betaald, want dát is de taal die McCanns kennen....Het is nog steeds niet duidelijk of dat dagboek van na de vermissing in de vrijgegeven files zit, indien niet dan moeten ze wel van het team McCann komen.... Maar wacht ff, wat zegt The Mirror: "Because of its sensitive nature, the material was not included in 19 files made public by prosecutors. The friend added: "The suspicion is these diaries have been leaked by someone in the Portuguese authorities." Wat een stelletje ongelofelijke leugenaars, spinners, scammers etc etc...
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Ter herinnering:
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5.8.08 McCann will not take legal action against Portuguese Government Rogério Alves, former Bar Association President, told today that the McCann couple “don't see any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Mr. Alves said that Gerry and Kate “were obviously frustrated because they couldn't find what happened to their daughter and who was responsible for it, but they don't infer that (Portuguese) police has done a bad job, or that there is any reason to sue the Portuguese Government.” Talking to “Barlavento Online” a Algarve news site, Mr. Alves admitted that, after the analysis to the 30 thousand pages of the files is finished, “we can reach the conclusion that we should do nothing and just leave everything as it is”, concerning further legal action for reopen the investigation of appeal to the Public Prosecutor's Office. “The fact that the investigation hasn't found what was the crime and the perpetrator doesn't mean that police has done a bad job”, the McCann lawyer said.
Zo, nog ff en is dus 20 september en voor zover ik nu heb gelezen (of eigenlijk niet heb gelezen) is er geen verzoek van de McCanns gekomen om de zaak te heropenen: "The law stipulates 20 days to require the opening of instruction of a process, but as currently they are to elapse the vacations judicial the stated period will finish the 20 of September." (uit de link in dit artikel, met Babelfish vertaald)

Het team McCann wenst dus niet een heropening van de zaak om verder naar Madeleine te zoeken. Nee dat doen die good-for-nothing PI's dan wel...niet naar Madeleine hoor, nee...er zijn mogelijk nog getuigen te 'bezoeken' (lees intimideren), verhalen in elkaar te flansen om Madeleine in het nieuws te houden, misschien weer nieuwe sifhtings etc etc....Maar zoeken naar Madeleine??? Of zouden ze toch weten waar ze is, dat ze wordt behandelt als een prinses zoals ze telkens schrijven, overtuigd dat Madeleine in handen van pedo's is...

En ik herhaal maar weer eens een quote 13/ 8/2007:"Mrs McCann told Woman's Own magazine: "I've never liked uncertainty. And this is the worst kind of limbo. "Gerry and I have spoken about this and in our heart of hearts we'd both rather know - even if knowing means we have to face the terrible truth that Madeleine might be dead. We both need to know." In her interview Mrs McCann paints a vivid picture of her daughter as a sociable and funny child. She said: "She has a lot of personality and her name actually means 'tower of strength'. But she hated it when we called her Maddie - she'd say, 'My name is Madeleine', with an indignant look on her face. "I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth." Bron

Lousy parents...

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Weinig nieuws verder, zoals eerder gepost, de datum is verstreken, 20 sept.: "Gerry and Kate McCann have not requested that the police continue their search into the disappearance of Madeleine." Interessante argumenten, om te onthouden, terug te lezen onder het mom van, waar gaat het ook al weer over etc: The ongoing evidence against the McCanns
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EVIDENCE REVIEW

1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
[This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.] Amaral, the leading police investigator at the time the FSS reached its conclusion, stated in interview with Hola (12.9.08) "the girl’s blood was found as well as in a car rented 23 days later".

Also [thanks to Cati] Apartment 5A: Eddie, the 'cadaver dog' and Keela, the 'blood dog' marked on the same local: behind the sofa (which according to the PJ was moved by the McCanns). The tiles were removed and sent to FSS. The blood found by keela was degraded and the lab was able to check only 5 markers. They ALL matched madeleine's DNA.

So all the forensic evidence is fully compatible with the parental involvement theory.

3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know [now confirmed in evidence].

Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

16. Catriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. [Note: This is still a matter of some controversy. There appear as yet to be no details of Catriona Baker's witness statement. No Tapas 7 members claim to have seen Madeleine on 3rd May, except perhaps for David Payne, visiting early evening, though he does not mention her by name.]No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events. Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand. Note: Interesting observation - Freemason sign is to raise both hands in the air, palm forwards. Possibly consistent with this gesture? - which might otherwise be considered unusual for a professional person of his background. However, this is pure speculation.

23. Tanner and O'Brien left their 11 month old baby whom they knew to be ill (restless, unable to sleep) in the apartment with its sibling. They went off to enjoy themselves with friends.

24. Tanner claims to have known that GMC was on the way back from 5A when she "saw" him and Jeremy Wilkins talking together.

25. Not clear, but possible Tanner may have been claiming that she saw the abductor emerging from the alley (rear of the property).

26. Both Tanner and O'Brien were (by Tanner's admission to the Police) very close to the crime scene around the relevant time.

27. Tanner did not use a mobile phone to contact her partner when Oldfield informed her that O'B was staying at the apartment because their 11 month old baby was unwell. She hurried to finish her meal and then went to rejoin her partner, O'Brien at about 9.40.

28. Tanner's account to police about how she heard of Maddy's disappearance is at slight but significant variance from the Panorama account. In Panorama, she hears a commotion, opens the door and is then informed in a matter of fact way by FP that "Maddy's gone." In the interview statement, it appears she heard both KMC and FP screaming that Madeleine had been taken whilst still in the flat. An odd discrepancy, made odder by the fact that the Panorama account sounds singularly unconvincing.

29. [Thanks to Vanilla Biscuit] There were early reports that 2 of the Tapas men were tired on the evening of the 3rd because they had been out rowing that afternoon, but those reports had been whoosh-clunked and very few other posters seemed to remember them, but it is confirmed in Tanner's statement: 'At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie.Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing.'

30. Kate McCann confirms that JT revealed her claimed sighting of the abductor on the night of 3rd/4th May and she was aware of it. There is no indication that this led to any particular focus for the search.

31. [Thanks to Swannie for this observation.]According to Payne's April 2008 statement in Leics from Paulo Reis http://gazetadigitalmadel(...)nnis-tournament.html

"David knocked at the A5 apartment about 6:30pm. Kate had JUST FINISHED HAVING A BATH and David saw that the kids were already bathed and were in their pyjamas, playing around. It was Gerry who asked him to check on Kate and the kids, Payne told Police. According to Kate, David knocked at the door (the door facing the swimming pool). She just put a towel around her, went to the living room and they had a brief talk."

Yet according to Kate's statement taken on May 4th 2007:

"Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. SHE TOOK A BATH did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband."

32. Video of Eddie and Keela (highly skilled at detecting cadaver/blood scents) at work has been released. Shows that the dogs' indications were very clear. On the basis that studies have shown accuracy in the 90-100% range (taking a 95% figure), the mathematical chances of them mis-identifying 7 locations [note - I think it was 7 separate locations - to be double checked] is 64 million to one. It appears there is no evidence of the dogs having mis-identified in any other case.

33. Amaral has indicated during a speech in Madrid that : "The PJ was forced to issue a press release [on 5th May 2007] announcing the abduction of Madeleine" . John Buck, the British Ambassador in Lisbon at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance went to Portimão to demand that the PJ immediately announce to the media – especially the British media – that the disappearance of Madeleine was an abduction and that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann were two innocent victims. According to sources close to the British Embassy in Lisbon, the Ambassador John Buck, previous to this intervention at the PJ in Faro and Portimão, has already discussed the affair with the Portuguese Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

6. Clarrie has in previous interviews claimed there was confusion about the timings and that this was understandable because all (or,later, many) of the Tapas 9 did not have watches or mobile phones with them. It is clear from the statements that NONE of those interviewed claim any great difficulty in determining the timing of their movements on the evening of 3rd May.

7. On the appearance of "The Truth About the Lie" Clarence Mitchell said that lawyers are studying Amaral's book as a "matter of urgency".

"Mr Amaral will face immediate and swift legal action if he in any way implies, either directly or indirectly, that Kate and Gerry were involved in the disappearance or harming of their daughter," he said.

Ongoing thread on The 3 Arguidos forum
Gelezen op een voor mij nieuw blog, met heel veel info, artikelen, achtergronden en ongezouten kritiek... Een dame met een missie zo te lezen. http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/

En verder verslapt mijn aandacht een beetje...

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  dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 13:30:17 #291
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Op maandag 22 september 2008 21:26 schreef Suko het volgende:
Boeh!

Weinig nieuws verder, zoals eerder gepost, de datum is verstreken, 20 sept.: "Gerry and Kate McCann have not requested that the police continue their search into the disappearance of Madeleine." Interessante argumenten, om te onthouden, terug te lezen onder het mom van, waar gaat het ook al weer over etc: The ongoing evidence against the McCanns
Idd weing nieuws, alleen rondje anorak en dat gaat over de christians praying for Maddy:
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The Madeleine McCann Christian Prayer Circle Says God Took Her
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

CHRISTIANITY TODAY: “Christians pray for missing Madeleine”

Christians around the world joined in prayer on Friday for the safe return of missing Madeleine McCann and the release of all children held by criminal networks.

Do the Christians know what happened to Madeleine, then?

The worldwide day of prayer was organised by the Madeleine Prayer Circle.

Join hands…

The group’s John Wearne says:

“We feel that the battle is spiritual and by going through prayer that God will listen to the cries of His people and that this will sway the spiritual balance in Madeleine’s favour.”

Demons took her?

“Everything is done through God and there is total belief that one day Madeleine will one day come home. God may have a greater plan for others and may well be using Madeleine in that plan. We petition God always for His will to be done and ask that Madeleine be brought home.”

So it was God that took Madeleine?

IRISH INDEPENDENT: “Family seeking closure as search resumes for Fiona”

THE mother of missing woman Fiona Pender has only only wish: to lay her daughter to rest alongside her late father and brother.

Sad stuff. Go on:

Ms Pender was eight months pregnant when she went missing on the morning of August 23, 1996. Twelve years after her disappearance, gardai are still trying to find her body.

Such are the facts. And our Maddie?

Officers have told Mrs Pender that a top investigator, who was involved in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, is working alongside gardai.

Now, there’s a comfort. There might be a book in this, after all. It’s Ireland’s Maddie, no?

STUFF (NZ): “Top 10 TV picks: September 23-29”

Anything good on?

Sunday Theatre: Torn: Child abduction drama that could have been torn from the headlines of the Madeleine McCann case - but then fast-forwards 12 years to the mother thinking she’s seen her missing daughter. Coronation Street’s Bradley Walsh (Danny Baldwin) stars. Part one of two.

Fact and fiction. A super-fiction. Now that’s entertainment…
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Gelezen op een voor mij nieuw blog, met heel veel info, artikelen, achtergronden en ongezouten kritiek... Een dame met een missie zo te lezen. http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/

En verder verslapt mijn aandacht een beetje...
Hmm, leuk overzicht, maar idd, de aandacht is aan het verslappen, als er in de nabije toekomst geen breaking news komt denk ik dat een nieuw topic even moet wachten totdat er idd breaking news is, wat jij?
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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 13:30 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Idd weing nieuws, alleen rondje anorak en dat gaat over de christians praying for Maddy:
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Hmm, leuk overzicht, maar idd, de aandacht is aan het verslappen, als er in de nabije toekomst geen breaking news komt denk ik dat een nieuw topic even moet wachten totdat er idd breaking news is, wat jij?
Halleu Kahaarin. Scherp van Anorak, uit jouw artikel:
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Christians around the world joined in prayer on Friday for the safe return of missing Madeleine McCann and the release of all children held by criminal networks.

Do the Christians know what happened to Madeleine, then?

The worldwide day of prayer was organised by the Madeleine Prayer Circle.

Join hands…

The group’s John Wearne says:

“We feel that the battle is spiritual and by going through prayer that God will listen to the cries of His people and that this will sway the spiritual balance in Madeleine’s favour.”

Demons took her?

“Everything is done through God and there is total belief that one day Madeleine will one day come home. God may have a greater plan for others and may well be using Madeleine in that plan. We petition God always for His will to be done and ask that Madeleine be brought home.”

So it was God that took Madeleine?
Ergelijk ook, iedereen die gelooft geeft maar een draai aan het verhaal Madeleine, net hoe het uitkomt. Ik geloof niet maar het kan niet deugen dat goede en foute luitjes hogere machten menen te moeten aanroepen om eigenlijk alleen hun eigen ziel te reinigen....pfff. Madeleine is weg/dood en er moet naar worden gezocht wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk is/zijn en wáár ze is, punt uit.

Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, niet echt nieuws, ik lees af en toe wel interessante thema's, invalshoeken enzo, maar uiteindelijk lopen er nog steeds mensen rond die precies weten waar Madeleine is en die houden lekker de koppen dicht. We houden de ogen en oren open en starten idd indien echt nieuws een nieuw topic. We blijven ondertussen alert!

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  dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 14:23:24 #293
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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:06 schreef Suko het volgende:

Halleu Kahaarin. Scherp van Anorak, uit jouw artikel:
Hey hoi Suko, vond ik ook, er wordt mij nu iets teveel gezweefd, dit heeft niets te maken met het onderzoek of de zaak maar met zieltjes winnen en konten schoonpraten.
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Ergelijk ook, iedereen die gelooft geeft maar een draai aan het verhaal Madeleine, net hoe het uitkomt. Ik geloof niet maar het kan niet deugen dat goede en foute luitjes hogere machten menen te moeten aanroepen om eigenlijk alleen hun eigen ziel te reinigen....pfff. Madeleine is weg/dood en er moet naar worden gezocht wie daarvoor verantwoordelijk is/zijn en wáár ze is, punt uit.
Precies, het moet niet zo zijn dat er met dit soort berichten voor wordt gezorgd dat de aandacht verslapt en men de boel een beetje op 1 lijn gaat krijgen, de aandacht zou op de zoektocht naar Madeleine moeten liggen maar er komt verder helemaal geen nieuws binnen.
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Je hebt gelijk Kahaarin, niet echt nieuws, ik lees af en toe wel interessante thema's, invalshoeken enzo, maar uiteindelijk lopen er nog steeds mensen rond die precies weten waar Madeleine is en die houden lekker de koppen dicht. We houden de ogen en oren open en starten idd indien echt nieuws een nieuw topic. We blijven ondertussen alert!
Lijkt mij ook een goed plan, magoed, misschien dat er een modje kan zeggen of andere meelezers of het fijn is om wel een topic te houden, waar misschien dan wat minder in wordt gepost, of dat we alleen een doorbraak moeten melden, wat dan weer meer iets is voor in Nieuws......?
Natuurlijk blijf ik het wel in de gaten houden maar zoals het nu is posten we alleen maar de onzin berichten van met name Anorak en de hersenspinsels van fora, ook wel heel gezellig natuurlijk maar niet echt meldenswaardige items.
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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 14:23 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Lijkt mij ook een goed plan, magoed, misschien dat er een modje kan zeggen of andere meelezers of het fijn is om wel een topic te houden, waar misschien dan wat minder in wordt gepost, of dat we alleen een doorbraak moeten melden, wat dan weer meer iets is voor in Nieuws......?
Natuurlijk blijf ik het wel in de gaten houden maar zoals het nu is posten we alleen maar de onzin berichten van met name Anorak en de hersenspinsels van fora, ook wel heel gezellig natuurlijk maar niet echt meldenswaardige items.
Goed plan, iets minder posten of een doorbraak in een Nieuws-topic. Of allebei... Maar goed, misschien kan Mod Tmaatje (e.a.) een mening hierover ventileren?
  woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 15:26:33 #295
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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 19:58 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Goed plan, iets minder posten of een doorbraak in een Nieuws-topic. Of allebei... Maar goed, misschien kan Mod Tmaatje (e.a.) een mening hierover ventileren?
Goed plan, dit was het enige 'nieuws' van vandaag.....
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How Madeleine McCann And Pricness Diana Made Us Fear
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Baroness Neuberger: Children will grow up not trusting anyone in Britain’s risk-averse society”

Paedo!

Recent figures show there are no men under 25 working in England’s state-run nurseries, such is the fear of being branded a paedophile…

But no figures are given. How many men used to work in state-run nurseries? The Telegraph does not say; but it does find time to tell readers that:

“Her comments come amid increasing concerns that Government policies are poisoning relationships between people.”

It’s Gordon Brown who’s to blame. Shifty eyes…

Many people already say they are put off volunteering with children because of costly and time-consuming Criminal Records Bureau checks, and the problem is set to worsen from next year when 11.3 million adults who work with young people will have to undergo detailed background checks.

Yeah, as many as “many”. Can the paper be a little less specific?

Of course, the people checking the workers might be part of the same paedo gang as the wannabe-teachers, and well, you know…

Says the Baroness:

“We have become seriously risk-averse - fearful as a nation, scared of terrorists, child molesters and violence on the street - and as a result we make it harder and harder to help those who need our aid, and we become more and more withdrawn into ourselves.”

Good point. And Our Maddie..?

She goes on:

“Such a level of protection as we have instituted will make children unable to trust anyone. It is as if we are trying to create a risk-free society, which we know in our heads and our hearts is impossible. The result is that we restrict and we regulate, hoping to make abuse impossible, while knowing we cannot. And, that way, we deter the willing and the kind.”

We need a paedophile amnesty, not to drive it deeper underground. And Our Maddie?

The problem was highlighted after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales when, according to Lady Neuberger, public outpouring of grief was really about people feeling sorry “for themselves” and “looking inward”.

Our tanned Princess who reached out and with a manicured nail and some to-die-for gems touched our hearts.

She said mistrust and hostility to others deepened following the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and 7/7, and the Soham and Madeleine McCann cases, and the situation was made still worse by the Government’s response of increasing surveillance and bureaucracy.

A good point well made has been turned into a game of Tabloid Bingo, by the new Tabloid Telegraph.
be nice or go away
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Op woensdag 24 september 2008 15:26 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goed plan, dit was het enige 'nieuws' van vandaag.....
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Ha ha, jeetje...krijgt zo'n ouwe sok ook haar zegje..pfff. De commentaren zijn iig om te gillen!

Maar goed, iemand (Sherlock) schreef het volgende, doeltreffend: Madeleine the unloved
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"Despite waxing lyrical about what a lovely child she was, not one member of Madeleines family is prepared to speak up for her. Aunty Phil now knows nothing was JEMMIED as do all the rest of them, they all know that the little girl they profess to love was booked into the creche for every session and was left alone every evening but not one CARES poor-Madeleine .

No Grandma or Grandpa No Aunty No Uncle No Cousin No Godparent No Parents Friend No Friends parents, No lawyer , No Judge , No Member of Parliament, No serving British policeman, No British journalist No one prepared to ask awkward questions on her behalf . Anyone who knew her who has done nothing to bring her justice and done everything to hide the truth is every bit as guilty as the person by whose action she died. I sincerely hope that all those who know her parents have lied and are still supporting them are haunted by that little girls miserable holiday and sad short life however much they pretend it was otherwise-behaviour charts for a three year old -how sinister is that FSS?"
Ik kan er nog een boel YouTube-jes tegenaan gooien maar soms hebben woorden geen beelden nodig, deze zinnen spreken voor zich...

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Zo, nog even voordat de tent/topic vol is, een indrukwekkend interview met de leider van het onderzoek Gonçalo Amaral, afgenomen door Paulo Reis and Duarte Levy, de journo's waarvan ik ook vaak de artikelen hier heb geplaatst. Uitgezonden op TVI, broadcast live on or around the 28th of July 2008. Wat mij betreft het meest duidelijke en beschuldigend naar de ouders van Madeleine McCann, al of niet met medewerking/medeweten van hun vakantievrienden, de zogenoemde Tapas 7. Ik heb het met stijgende verbazing gelezen, een hele zit maar leest eigenlijk als een detective. Neem de moeite als men echt achter een zekere waarheid wil komen, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro. "The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI Discussie op het 3Arguidoforum.

* En verder een to-the-point YouTube-je van een 3arguido-member:



* Vele video's met de onvolprezen snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela zijn hier te vinden.


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  vrijdag 26 september 2008 @ 12:39:16 #298
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Op donderdag 25 september 2008 22:58 schreef Suko het volgende:
Zo, nog even voordat de tent/topic vol is, een indrukwekkend interview met de leider van het onderzoek Gonçalo Amaral, afgenomen door Paulo Reis and Duarte Levy, de journo's waarvan ik ook vaak de artikelen hier heb geplaatst. Uitgezonden op TVI, broadcast live on or around the 28th of July 2008. Wat mij betreft het meest duidelijke en beschuldigend naar de ouders van Madeleine McCann, al of niet met medewerking/medeweten van hun vakantievrienden, de zogenoemde Tapas 7. Ik heb het met stijgende verbazing gelezen, een hele zit maar leest eigenlijk als een detective. Neem de moeite als men echt achter een zekere waarheid wil komen, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro. "The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI Discussie op het 3Arguidoforum.
hey Suko!
Jeetje, zo langzamerhand komt er wel een hoop rottigheid naar boven, als het niet waar was van die bodily fluids en de verdenking dat ze bevroren is geweest neem dan maar aan dat er onmiddelijk een claim om zijn oren was geslingerd, tjonge, en die analyse dat de McCanns net zo in paniek zouden zijn als ze wisten dat ze dood was als wanneer ze verdwenen zou zijn is ook heel sterk. Ik begin echt te denken dat ze per ongeluk is gestorven, ongeluk of kate die is doorgedraaid, en dat Gerry haar heeft weggestommeld....

Verder is er geen nieuws, Anorak houdt haar hardnekkig in het nieuws door dit soort berichten:
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Madeleine McCann’s Halo 3: Selling Video Games And Making Jokes
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “The News Quiz”

As The News Quiz returns, host Sandi Toksvig tells James Walton why it’s lasted so long – despite the ‘galling’ low pay she and her guests receive

Is Our Maddie fair game for comedy?

Needless to say, some news stories are funnier than others. (The show, for example, steered well clear of Madeleine McCann.) Fortunately, even in the darkest times, “politicians have the most staggering skill at producing material for us”. With that 66th series about to begin, Toksvig now finds herself “terribly grateful to Sarah Palin. For comedy writers, she’s just heaven.”

EUROGAMER: “Maddie reference spotted in Bungie trailer”

Speculation is mounting that the new trailer for Bungie’s next Halo project features a reference to missing five year-old Madeleine McCann.

Selling video games with Madeleine McCann:

Apparently the message “MADDIE, WHERE ARE YOU?” appears in three frames of the video. A debate has now kicked off over whether this is a reference to the missing girl, who disappeared in May 2007.


Bungie has yet to comment on the matter.

CVG ONLINE: “Halo ‘Maddie’ reference sparks controversy”

A frame in Bungie’s new Halo 3 ‘Keep It Clean’ trailer is being taken as a reference to missing British child Madeline McCann.

Amongst various messages flashed across the screen during the trailer, one reads ‘MADDIE, WHERE ARE YOU?’, sparking controversy on internet forums - including this thread on the official Bungie site.

Well, if the PR increases sales, then why not..?
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* En verder een to-the-point YouTube-je van een 3arguido-member:

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* Vele video's met de onvolprezen snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela zijn hier te vinden.


Ook dit is volgens mij alleen maar de zaak levend houden en er voor zorgen dat het niet in de vergetelheid weg zakt, Er is domweg noppes, nada, nothing, te melden over nieuwe leads, sightings of onderzoeken, ik zou het misschien nog 1 topic willen proberen, die kan ook gesloten worden als het zo blijft, ik weet het ook niet zo goed, en we krijgen geen antwoord.....
Goed, ik zal nog 1 topic openen als ik geen bericht krijg dat het niet hoeft.

Oh en bungie heeft een statement gemaakt over dat plaatje in bovenstaand artikel:
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Maddie ref. an "unfortunate coincidence" News News by Rob Purchese
Today 10:15
Bungie has said the reference to 'Maddie' in the teaser trailer for the studio's next Halo project is an "unfortunate coincidence" to that of missing five year-old Madeleine McCann.

The trailer appeared at the end of a countdown yesterday, and fans combing the short CGI promotion for information came across the line, "Maddie, where are you?"

This prompted plenty of speculation that it was a reference to Madeleine McCann, the child whose 2007 disappearance sparked a worldwide media campaign.

"This is an unfortunate coincidence but there is no connection between Bungie's game and the tragic disappearance of that little girl," wrote Brian Jarrard, community voice at Bungie, on a Halo fansite.

Writing in the official Bungie forums, the studio's Luke Smith has also stated there is no connection between the game and real-world events.


"As always, all of the characters in our games are fictional. Any similarities between real life and the characters in our games are purely coincidental," wrote Smith.

"That said, this is both an unfortunate and unintended coincidence."

Eurogamer has contacted Bungie and Microsoft for comment.
Misschien niet, hoe dan ook weer koren op de molen van de pers, net als bij die film......

[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 26-09-2008 12:44:27 ]
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  vrijdag 26 september 2008 @ 14:15:50 #299
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*Insert in paniek smilie!*
Ze lezen mee, echt!
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New Madeleine McCann sighting at Spanish resortBritish holidaymakers claim to have seen a girl resembling missing Madeleine McCann on the Spanish island of Majorca, reports claim.

According to the Sun a UK couple told police of the similarity between a girl seen with two women last Sunday at Cala d'Or.

They only reported the sighting after first returning to their hotel room to check internet pictures of Madeleine.

The Sun said police had so far been unable to locate the girl seen by the UK tourists.

"Officers are looking in hotels and holiday apartments to try to locate the young girl this couple saw," a police source told the tabloid.

"So far we have not been able to find her.

"The couple's account was detailed and there were no contradictions in their statements.

"However, we are aware of the numerous previous sightings all over the world that have turned out to be false and it could well be that the couple have made an honest mistake."

Madeleine was three when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, the Algarve, Portugal, in May last year while her parents Kate and Gerry dined at a nearby restaurant.

There have been hundreds of sightings of Madeleine across Europe and north Africa since she went missing.
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Hooi Kahaarin, indeed een indrukwekkend interview met Amaral, met in het boek gewoon de feiten zoals die bij hem en de PJ bekend en vastgelegd zijn, en welke lang niet allemaal in de vrijgegeven files zijn te lezen. Het gegeven dat ze zeer dichtbij waren, zoals het apartement waar een freezer moet hebben gestaan om voor de hand liggende redenen (ik kan het niet eens optypen...) maar dat alles is gestopt toen. Ook het aan de FSS gegeven materiaal...Amaral: "As far as we know, they have all been destroyed by now, namely the hair. Nothing can be done."

En aan het einde van het interview: "Will Maddie return to your life one of these days, or not?
GA: I think yes. This book has the will of clarifying and of contributing to the investigation, I think yes, there are more things to talk about. JP: Is that your mission? GA: It’s not a mission, it’s a question of recovering my dignity and my honour and that of my colleagues and of this institution to which I was so proud of belonging to for so many years, and of justice being done for the little girl."

Niet alleen geven ze niet op (vermoedelijk een paar van die Leicesterhire coppers ook niet, enkele zijn wel good guys) maar keer op keer lees ik meer warmte van hem over Madeleine dat van die zooi uit Rothey. Overigens denk ik zeker dat er een tweede boek komt, hij stroomt zowat over van alles wat hij weet en vindt dat het verteld moet worden. Zo is dat.

En The Sun...

Wat mij betreft zou je misschien best nog een topic kunnen openen, laat ik aan jou over, er zijn posters op het 3arguidoforum bezig stukje bij beetje die DVD met het eindrappoort uit het Portugees te vertalen wat een lastige klus schijnt te zijn, het ene gegeven is weer uitgelegd in één of meerdere onderdelen in een juridische taal waarvoor je moet door hebben geleerd. En voor zover ik heb begrepen zijn ze toch niet voor iedereen beschikbaar, alleen met een presscard te bestellen in Portugal. Ik heb hier en daar wat topics gelezen maar ik wacht op het moment dat iemand of meerdere daar één verhaal van maakt, nu is het absoluut niet te volgen aangezien er voor elk feitje een topic wordt geopend.

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  zondag 28 september 2008 @ 13:33:30 #301
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Op vrijdag 26 september 2008 18:03 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hooi Kahaarin, indeed een indrukwekkend interview met Amaral, met in het boek gewoon de feiten zoals die bij hem en de PJ bekend en vastgelegd zijn, en welke lang niet allemaal in de vrijgegeven files zijn te lezen. Het gegeven dat ze zeer dichtbij waren, zoals het apartement waar een freezer moet hebben gestaan om voor de hand liggende redenen (ik kan het niet eens optypen...) maar dat alles is gestopt toen. Ook het aan de FSS gegeven materiaal...Amaral: "As far as we know, they have all been destroyed by now, namely the hair. Nothing can be done."

En aan het einde van het interview: "Will Maddie return to your life one of these days, or not?
GA: I think yes. This book has the will of clarifying and of contributing to the investigation, I think yes, there are more things to talk about. JP: Is that your mission? GA: It’s not a mission, it’s a question of recovering my dignity and my honour and that of my colleagues and of this institution to which I was so proud of belonging to for so many years, and of justice being done for the little girl."

Niet alleen geven ze niet op (vermoedelijk een paar van die Leicesterhire coppers ook niet, enkele zijn wel good guys) maar keer op keer lees ik meer warmte van hem over Madeleine dat van die zooi uit Rothey. Overigens denk ik zeker dat er een tweede boek komt, hij stroomt zowat over van alles wat hij weet en vindt dat het verteld moet worden. Zo is dat.

En The Sun...

Wat mij betreft zou je misschien best nog een topic kunnen openen, laat ik aan jou over, er zijn posters op het 3arguidoforum bezig stukje bij beetje die DVD met het eindrappoort uit het Portugees te vertalen wat een lastige klus schijnt te zijn, het ene gegeven is weer uitgelegd in één of meerdere onderdelen in een juridische taal waarvoor je moet door hebben geleerd. En voor zover ik heb begrepen zijn ze toch niet voor iedereen beschikbaar, alleen met een presscard te bestellen in Portugal. Ik heb hier en daar wat topics gelezen maar ik wacht op het moment dat iemand of meerdere daar één verhaal van maakt, nu is het absoluut niet te volgen aangezien er voor elk feitje een topic wordt geopend.

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+++ The McCanns Did Not Physically Search for Madeleine +++ (57 sec uit een interview met BBC Jane Hill)
Nou, toch maar weer een topic, Madeleine McCann, nog steeds geen nieuws. en we wachten idd de vertaling maar af.
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