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Again, selling the news, selling Madeleine. Vertaald door Joana Morais
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Detectives become multimillionaires - Correio da Manhã

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: McCann couple pays 212 thousand euros per month

Criticizing the Polícia Judiciária’s work, the McCann couple understands that “the obtained documents have potential that may not close the case”


An English newspaper has struck a deal with the McCann couple, as a reply to the defamatory news about the latter, to participate in the payment of the fees of the detective team that tries to find Maddie. The detectives collect 166 thousand pounds (212 thousand euros) per month to carry out the searches, according to the ‘Sunday Times’, which omits the name of the newspaper and of the investigator firm.

The new team of private detectives has a multimillionaire salary, compared to the amount that was paid to the Spanish at Método 3. The company, which is directed by Francisco Marco, publicized that they received 60 thousand euros for six months of work. The coverage of expenses against the presentation of receipts earned them an additional 108 thousand euros.

The work of the private investigators is carried out based on the investigation that was done by the Polícia Judiciária, until the process was archived. With the purpose of finding Maddie alive, these experts dedicate great attention to the depositions by persons who assert that they saw little girls looking like Maddie in different locations of the world. In the observation of leads, the detectives have valued the possible connection between the alleged abduction and a Belgian paedophile network, which three days before the disappearance “ordered through the internet” a girl with Maddie’s characteristics. Just like the British police, the Portuguese authorities did not value the lead. Even the Child Protection Centre in the United Kingdom comments the information with some reservation.

Criticizing the performance of the Polícia Judiciária, the McCanns defend that the publicity of the process has given the searches a new impulse. “The documents possess great potential and some may allow for the case not to be closed”, their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, sustains.

Strong means

Donation fund – With the purpose of paying for a private investigation, Maddie’s parents have created a fund for the public to give money, right after the English girl’s disappearance.

Empty fund – The McCanns’ spokesman stated in June that the fund was not drained, and that 630 thousand euros were then available.

Another two million – In July, the fund was reinforced with two million euros of donations.
Zoals was te verwachten, eerdere post: "Men trekt mogelijk weer de beurs open om alle sightings/sporen na te gaan, en daar is weer veel geld voor nodig, nieuwe campagnes wellicht?" En natuurlijk deals met kranten, zoals blijkt...

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De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
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Belgium sighting is not Madeleine 34 minutes ago

A possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Belgium has been ruled out, the Belgian authorities said. The father of a young blonde girl captured on CCTV in Brussels on August 4 came forward on Monday night to explain that his daughter was not the missing girl.

Lieve Pellens, spokeswoman for the Belgian federal prosecutor's office, said: "He saw this picture and obviously for him it was very easy recognising the girl accompanied by a woman in a veil." She added: "It's her nanny - she is a young Moroccan woman who is qualified to look after children and works in a care centre."

The news will be a blow to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who had hoped the Brussels sighting would provide the breakthrough they have been awaiting for more than 15 months. CCTV images of the potential sighting in the western Molenbeek suburb of Brussels show the woman walking down the street hand-in-hand with the child.

And a security guard at a branch of the KBC Bank reportedly overheard the girl say to the adult in English, "Can we go back now?" The McCanns were shown the grainy security camera footage but could not rule out the possibility that the child might be their daughter. Their private detectives followed up the report with the help of investigators in Brussels and video enhancement experts in the US.

Belgian police planned to show the CCTV footage on national television if nobody came forward to explain the sighting. But Ms Pellens said it had turned out that the four-year-old girl was the "ordinary Belgian daughter of an ordinary Belgian citizen".
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Op dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 12:27 schreef Suko het volgende:
De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
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Op naar de volgende sithing....

maak je borst maar nat, here they come......
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DETECTIVES in Belgium have been alerted to 30 new “sightings” of missing Madeleine McCann in the past seven days, the Daily Express can reveal.


They come a week after a blonde, blue-eyed child was spotted outside a Brussels bank, pleading with a north African woman in English to be allowed to go home.
http://www.express.co.uk/(...)in-Belgium-in-a-week

Oh en het is nog steeds de schuld van de Portugezen......
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Most of the Portuguese police officers who looked for Madeleine McCann after her disappearance had no formal training in missing people searches, case files revealed yesterday.

Up to 100 personnel spent a week scouring an area up to 15km (9.3 miles) around the Algarve resort where the girl vanished on May 3 last year.

But they failed to find any clues to Madeleine's fate, and in July Portuguese detectives called in leading British expert Mark Harrison.

advertisementMr Harrison, national search adviser for all UK police agencies in cases of missing people, homicides and abductions, reviewed the initial operations and advised on the inquiry's future strategy.

He noted that neither search co-ordinator Major Luis Sequeira nor most of his teams had received any training for the task of looking for the missing girl.

Between 80 and 100 people drawn from the Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR) local police, civil protection, fire brigade, Red Cross and urban police were involved in the searches.

In his report, dated July 23 last year, Mr Harrison wrote: "Major Sequeira has not benefited from any formal training or accreditation in the management of searching for missing persons.

"The search officers - with the exception of the search and rescue team dispatched from Lisbon - had not benefited from any formal training in search procedures."

The report, contained in police files made public last week, focuses on the possibility that Madeleine was murdered and her body hidden in areas previously scrutinised by police.

Mr Harrison highlighted an open area to the east of Praia da Luz, the village where the girl disappeared, that afforded "many opportunities to dispose of a body" and recommended fresh searches there.

Most significantly, he advised that specialist sniffer dogs should be used to examine key sites such as the McCanns' holiday apartment and the home of official suspect Robert Murat.

In late July and early August two British dogs trained to scent corpses and human blood were brought to Portugal and taken around property associated with people connected to the case.

The sniffer dog and DNA evidence were central to Portuguese detectives' decision to name Mr and Mrs McCann as "arguidos", or formal suspects, in Madeleine's disappearance on September 7 last year.

In his report Mr Harrison also concluded that information about the child's whereabouts provided by a former South African policeman was "likely to be of low value".

Danie Krugel, who claims to have invented a device for finding missing people, visited Praia da Luz last July on the invitation of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Based on his investigations he said he believed she was not transported beyond the area where she disappeared.
http://www.theherald.co.u(...)ning_in_searches.php
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Oh heerlijk, nieuwe sightings... Maar wat vertelde diezelfde Mark Harrison nog meer... Take note Clarence Mitchell 20/07/08 Joana Morais:
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"English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã

TracesFinding the trail of a death changed the direction of the investigation

An exhaustive report explains the possible scenarios to hide a body and defends the animals’ reliability

Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver odours and blood traces. The discovery of the residues and the signaling of the trail of a cadaver thus ended up formally changing the direction of an investigation that had been limited to the theory of abduction until then.

The report, which praises the Portuguese authorities’ work, suggested that the animals should be taken to all the locations where the body might have been hidden. From the apartment that had been rented by the McCanns up to the crèche, through the beach and the church area.

Mark Harrison explained that it was necessary to analyse the scenarios of Madeleine having been killed that night and her body abandoned by a person on foot or by car. The expert added that despite of the high costs of that search, it should be carried out in order to clarify the case.

Dogs are reliable

In the report, Mark Harrison says that it us very unlikely that the body was buried in the sand. The English policeman defends that a launch into the sea is the most likely scenario, while the body should also be searched for within an area of cliffs and dense bushes that lies east of Praia da Luz.

The two English dogs were presented as an indispensable help to the investigation, after their abilities and the manner in which they are trained were explained in detail, as well as the fact that they both react to blood traces and cadaver odours, without a single episode of “false positives” in the investigations.

In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie’s death, then it would be a fact.


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High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high costs of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signaled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.
En gewoon voor de gein meld ik nog ff dat zelfs US regelmatig de expertise van deze twee honden gebruikt. BBC En ook in deze eerdere post over deze honden en de US. (ha ha zo kom je je zelf weer eens tegen via google) 5 oktober 2007 Verbazingwekkend hoe de Britse pers toen schreef over de gevonden sporen, ...Zal wel toeval zijn maar 3 dagen ervoor kreeg Amaral de zak, twee uur na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown. Ik denk dat Amaral op onderzoeklijnen zat die gevaarlijk werden, hij wist gewoon te veel IMO. Zijn hond werd overigens vermoord, mccannfiles.com: "Mr Amaral gets a phone call from his scared wife. Somebody had killed one of the family dogs, a Shitzu who had a serious head injury." Pure intimidatie...

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[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 12-08-2008 20:27:07 (stomme taalfout...) ]
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Hoe je een verhaal verkoopt en door verkoopt, een beveiliger, die mogelijk Madeleine zag, na twee dagen overdenking en speuren op het internet, verteld hij dit aan zijn bazen en wordt de politie gebeld, die bekijken de CCTV-beelden, rapport opgemaakt en vervolgens aan the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police.overhandigd. De pers wist nog van niets, niet voor lang. Totdat de tabloids het nieuws lazen van die beveiliger. Allemaal naar Belgie. En dan dit: "Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC." Bron
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Tuesday, 12 August 2008 Enfants Kidnappés 12/08/08: It's not Madeleine in Molenbeek, Brussels.
Another excellent article from the Association Enfants Kidnappés about the little girl seen by the security guard at a bank in Molenbeek-Saint-Jean in Brussels. I think the British press is finally catching up with the, "Breaking news," that actually appeared in the Belgian media at around 11pm on Monday.

It's not Madeleine, contrary to a certain press. We are going to give you a little reminder of some real facts, as they happened, without all the modifications and inventions of the press.

On Monday August 4th, the security guard, Alain, employed by the Securitas company and seconded to cover security at KBC's administrative headquarteres in the Avenue du Port, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, one of 19 urban areas of Brussels, was in his post in front of the bank towards 10.30 in the morning. His attention was drawn to a young woman and a little blond girl walking past the bank. The little girl was blond and the woman with her seemed to be North African. His gaze followed the, "strange pair," the woman and the little girl made. It wasn't until two days later that he would inform his superiors. The latter immediately called on the services of the police.

Alain stated to the police:

"I was working at the front of the branch. I noticed this little blond girl, accompanied by a woman of Moroccan origin. I was immediately struck by the obvious difference between the girl and that woman. I was drawn by the words of the little girl, who said, as part of a sentence, that I didn't hear the beginning or the end of, "...I GO BACK..." (Editor's note: and not, LET ME GO HOME as stated by a certain bad press!!)

The little girl was dressed in a white shirt, over which she was wearing a white sweater. She had on a dark grey skirt with a tartan checked pattern. Below her skirt, she was wearing white stockings and shoes. The little girl had very clear blue eyes, very clear. As I was mostly paying attention to the little girl, I didn't get a very good look at the woman who was with her. However, I can tell you that she had brown eyes. I didn't see her hair, but she was wearing a scarf on her head. She was dressed in quite a modern fashion. After they had gone past, I went back into the back. I didn't manage to remember where I had seen that little girl before. The next day I was on leave. As this little girl was going round in my head, I did some research on the internet. That was how I came across photos of Madeleine McCann. I then thought I had recognised the little girl. I wasn't sure. First of all I told myself that it wasn't possible, that I must be mistaken. But as time went on, my conviction grew. On my return to work, I informed my superiors. They contacted the police.

On arrival, the police proceeded to questioning Alain V. the bulk of which is detailed below. Then the police officers looked at the 5 videos captured by the surveillance cameras. One of the police officers there suggested asking the area inspector if he knew anyone in the area who might look like the little girl. The report was prepared and all the details were sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police. At that time, the press were not aware of the guard's witness statement. Not for long....

Getting to the bottom of the case.

Following the SOS Madeleine article about the guard's witness statement, the British press, who were seeking at all costs to discredit Belgium in the eyes of their readers, making Belgians out to be people who wallowed in prostitution and as paedophiles satisfying our fantasies with children, grabbed hold of the case. From then on there were journalists from various tabloids in Brussels: News of the World, The Mail, The Daily Mail and the Mirror. Only the, "SUN," went to Ghent instead of to Brussels. Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC. The next day, the, "SUN," published online the 5 videos of the case which were intiially sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Police. According to our information, the, "SUN," paid 40,000¤ for these videos.

Then, the,"SUN," resold them to SKY News for the tidy sum of 100,000¤. Still according to our information, the purchase of the videos was made through the intermediary of someone whose son had done a work placement in the UK with the, "SUN," and the father (whose identity we are not going to disclose) was very close to the investigation. Thus, for money, he would have leaked information and sold documents in violation of the article of the Belgian Penal Code on professional secrecy to which the police are bound! From then on the press jostled with each other in Molenbeek. The Mirror even had three teams, one of whom had the task of following the, "SUN," team and to be right behind them everywhere. At that time, the newspapers disinformed the public by disclosing false information. Thus, the, "SUN," stated that: "The Belgian police recognise that it could be Madeleine."

Absolutely false information since at that time, the investigators already knew that it wasn't Madeleine.
The Daily Mail journalists did interesting work. They went into all the shops and cafés in the area around KBC and placed posters with photos of the woman and the little girl, bearing their telephone number. These posters bore fruit. The little girl's father became angry when he saw photos of his daughter plastered all over his neighbourhood. He went home. He got onto the internet. He saw the images disclosed by the, "SUN," and he immediately understood the importance of the matter and went to the police. The young pregnant woman who was with the little girl was none other than her nanny.

Note that the guard's statement was in good faith. He was not seeking to attract attention. As you look at the videos, you can't help being worried by a certain resemblance in appearance. In addition, the little girl indeed speaks English. We have seen the little girl and the resemblance with Madeleine is truly striking. We would have fallen into the trap ourselves. Association Enfants Kidnappés: 12/08/08 Kidnapping.be
Waren de tabloids maar zo ordinair bezig met de McCanns en hun vrienden, waar zijn de tijden gebleven van die goeie ouwe riooljournalistiek, achter en in vuilnisbakken/struiken posten, ongezien volgen van de 'objecten', buren en collega's quooitjes ontfutselen, maar niets, helemaal niets, nada...those where the days, sjucht

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Gerry McCann en een lolly... Goedemorgen overigens.
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13/08/08 Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
Gerry laughed during the drama at the PJ - Correio da Manhã

Extortion
PJ solved two attempts of fraud against the McCanns

The PJ successfully solved the two attempts to extort money from the McCann couple in return for information about their missing daughter. But Maddie’s father’s laughs during the negotiations caused strangeness. The ambience in the room was heavy, when on the 14th of June 2007, contact was established with a stranger in Holland, who seemed to shed a light on the darkness that the investigation was in, a month after the disappearance.

Against the nervousness of the Portuguese and the English policemen, Gerry McCann’s attitude surprised everyone in the room, the former coordinator of the process, Gonçalo Amaral, later recollected.

In a careless manner, Maddie’s father “made a contrast with the anxiety of the policemen and intrigued the investigators. Gerry “sucked on a lollipop in a relaxed manner while he read banalities on the internet and discussed rugby and football with an English policeman”, the former coordinator from the Polícia Judiciária wrote in the book’Truth of the Lie’.

The Dutch police would eventually discover that the Dutchman from Eindhoven, who used a cybercafé to demand two million euros per email, knew nothing about Maddie’s whereabouts. In late June 2007, the McCann couple would suffer another extortion attempt, with the promise of information about their daughter, made by a couple in South Spain.

The intervention of the PJ with the Spanish authorities demonstrated that Italian Danilo Chemello and Portuguese Aurora Pereira Vaz, who claimed four million euros, didn’t know anything about Maddie McCann, either. The coordination between the Judiciária and the police forces of Spain and Holland led to the detention of the individuals, who wanted to extort six million euros from the McCanns.

With the solving of both frauds, the Polícia Judiciária reinforced the thesis that the child had suffered a deadly accident in the Ocean Club holiday apartment.

Profession explains coldness

The coldness that Gerry McCann always demonstrated during the process of his daughter’s disappearance was noted both by the Portuguese and the British investigators. Gonçalo Amaral, the former operational coordinator of the investigations into the ‘Maddie case’ recalls that one of the English policemen used to say: “Don’t forget that he is a cardio surgeon and starts opening people up right after breakfast.” The ‘cold’ expressions of the McCanns also surprised the public opinion. But despite the fact that Maddie’s mother was never seen crying in public, the investigator stated that “Kate cried several times” for Maddie.

Ransom

Arrested in Holland – On the 4th of July 2007, the Dutch police arrested the 39-year-old man who tried to extort two million euros from the McCanns.

Detained in Spain – On the 28th of June 2007, the Spanish police arrested the Italian and the Portuguese who tried to deceive the McCann couple.
Overigens is Gerry McCann geen hartchirurg maar een consultant cardiologist at the Glenfield Hospital. Bron Ongetwijfeld zal Gerry wel eens bij operaties aanwezig zijn maar geen hartoperaties uitvoeren, dat is echt een andere dicipline.

(Het wordt een beetje eng in de UK, een snipper: "From The Times August 13, 2008 "Councils get power to ‘spy’ on your e-mail and net use. Councils and health authorities are to be given the right to access e-mail and internet records under surveillance powers to be introduced next year, the Home Office said yesterday. Although first proposed to tackle terrorism and serious crime, powers have been extended to cover other criminal activity, public health, threats to public safety and even prevention of self-harm.)
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Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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McCann case: 24 pictures that may help to re-open the case

A tourist that was at the Tapas Bar, on the night of May 3, took several pictures where the table with the McCann and their friends is visible. The tourist was with his wife and another couple and they took pictures from each other, with the McCann table on the background. The owner of the pictures is negotiating with several British newspapers to sell the rights for an exclusive publication, but with a condition: before being published, the pictures must be sent to the Portuguese police. The tourist is well aware that the pictures may have important evidence related with a crime and not sending it to police is considered also a crime, in his country.

Yesterday, a well known legal office from UK knew about the existence of those pictures and contacted the owner, offering to buy all pictures for 600,000 Euros. But the British lawyers didn't accept the condition set by the owner – that the pictures should be sent to the Portuguese police, just before the transaction. The lawyers' office wanted to be free to choose the moment when the pictures would be send to Portuguese authorities, so the offer was refused by the tourist. Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

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  woensdag 13 augustus 2008 @ 13:07:37 #158
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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 13:02 schreef Suko het volgende:
Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 13:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
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Goeiemiddag Kahaarin. Ja ja, alles draait nog op volle toeren. Ik geloof alleen wat er uit die files is gepeurd door de Portugese pers en de citaten uit Amaral's boek. Want het is toch opwerkelijk dat het team McConn daar geen reacties op geeft....

En verder kwam ik een filmpje tegen over Jane Tanner, hoe dat mens toch de hele boel bij elkaar heeft gelogen. Uit eerdere artikelen al gepost in de vorige delen van dit topic, dat ze eerst natuurlijk een eggman zag, ze kon zijn gezicht niet zien. Totdat ze echt meende Robert Murat te herkennen. Om uiteindelijk terecht te komen bij die creepy man die eerder getuige Gail Cooper had beschreven. Nog afgezien van het feit dat Tanner op weg was toen ze hem zag, en later toch op de terugweg...en niemand heeft haar gezien, terwijl ze toch Gerry en Jeremy zag kletsen < met z'n kind in buggy, daar heeft ze het niet over. Moest ze soms een alibi voor haar afwezigheid verzinnen...?

Wat schrijft Amaral: "Jane Tanner was placed inside a surveillance van from police (windows that allow to look outside, from the van, without being seen), the van was parked in a strategic position, near the A5 apartment, and PJ investigators took Murat with them, making exactly the same walk the man carrying a child has made, according to Jane Tanner. Jane Tanner looked at Murat walking and told police she was sure he was the same man, she recognized the way he walked, with no doubt.

Maar wat zegt die Tanner op 20 november 2007 in de Daily Mail: "But she admitted: "I simply don't know if I could identify again the man I saw that night. I've never pointed the finger at Robert Murat because I simply don't know if it was him or not."

En later in The Times January 21, 2008 : "Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said that the new picture resembled a man whom she has told police she saw carrying a child from the Algarve resort on the night that Madeleine vanished. She has offered to return to Portugal to assist the police inquiry, but they have declined." <<<< en zoals we nu inmiddels weten is die laatste opmerking ook een vette leugen.

Van Eggman/ naar > Robert Murat naar > Creepy Man (ook wel Bundleman, de man gevonden, nergens iets mee te maken)



Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37.
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Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.
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Anatomy of a badly told story

From the blog of Frederico Duarte Carvalho, a journalist and author, an excellent analysis of the timeline:

“There is still so much to discover inside the process”, I was told a few days ago by the former coordinator of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, when together with João Vasco Almeida, I interviewed him for “Focus” – see the edition of tomorrow, the 13th. The author of the book “Maddie – Truth of the Lie” (140 thousand copies sold and foreseen translations for Spain and Germany) gave us what was the first interview after the case left the premises of the judicial secrecy. So, the former coordinator accepted to look to the computer where we had the DVD with the process open, and pointed his finger at the moment where the fatal contradiction of the witness statements by some of the main players in the night when the alert to the disappearance of the English girl in Praia da Luz was raised, is registered: “No member of the media has ever crossed those depositions”, Gonçalo Amaral said to us.

It is all in the first of the 17 volumes, which run to 4713 pages. It was the contradiction between the initial statement from Jane Tanner, a marketing manager, and the one from her companion, doctor Russell O’Brian, that raised the suspicions that the marketing manager might be lying when she said she had seen an alleged abductor carrying a child. This happened as early as the 4th of May, within the first hours after the disappearance.

Russell O’Brian, a doctor and Jane Tanner’s husband, worked directly with Madeleine’s father, Gerry McCann, for six months. They became fathers at approximately the same time, as Russell’s older daughter is just one month older than Madeleine. When the witness statements from Gerry, Jane and Russell were crossed, the PJ’s investigators realized that “the story was badly told”. de rest in het Engels verder te lezen.
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Volgens Gerry, cheching de kids: 9.05 p.m opent met sleutel het apartement, keek in de kamer waar de kids sliepen, naar de wc gegaan, ging weer weg en sprak op de terugweg op straat even met tennisvriend Wilkens, die wandelde daar met z'n kind (die kon niet slapen) en ging weer naar de Tapasbar.

Echtgenoot van Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien verklaard later: Jane verliet de Tapasbar bijna gelijkertijd met Gerry met ong. 5 min verschil. Zij moet iets eerder zijn terug gekomen om Gerry en Wilkens te zien praten. De vraag is of Tanner op de heenweg Gerry en Wilkens geeft zien praten of op de terugweg.

Gerry en Tanner verlieten dus met pakweg 5 min verschil de Tapasbar. Hoe was het dus mogelijk voor Gerry in die korte tijd de kids te checken, bleef momenten op de wc, op de terugweg naar de tapasbar, even gesproken met Wilkens, en dat allemaal in 5 minuten.

Jane Tanner garandeert dat ze op de heenweg naar haar apartement Gerry en Wilkens zag praten. Was Gerry dan al weer op de terugweg? Is het dan toch mogelijk dat Gerry op de heenweg Wilkens tegenkwam? Hoe is het dan mogelijk dat zowel Gerry alswel Wilkens Jane Tanner niet hebben gezien, zij beweert ze wel gezien te hebben, ze liepen toen allemaal op dezelfde weg.

En dan ziet Jane Tanner ook op de heenweg na het passeren van Gerry en Wilkens, een paar meter verder op de hoek iemand met een kind lopen, richting Murat's huis. Ze beweert pertinent op de heenweg.

Dat was het begin van het ontvoeringsverhaal en de verdachtmaking van Robert Murat.

Toen Jane na het checken van haar kids naar de Tapasbar terugging was Gerry niet meer aan 't kletsen met Wilkens maar zag ze hem terug in de Tapasbar met Kate. Na 15 a 20 min ging echtgenoot Russel naar het apartement voor de check, samen met Mike Oldfield. Hij luisterde in het voorbij gaan alleen bij het apartement van de McCanns.

Russel bleef in z'n apartement, verzorgde z'n dochter, daarom at Jane wat sneller en ging ook naar het apartement. Russel ging daarop weer terug naar de Tapasbar. Vervolgens ging Kate weg voor de check. Het was toen 22.00 a 22.15 uur toen Jane in haar apartement Kate en Fiona Payne hoorde schreeuwen dat Madeleine was verdwenen.
Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....

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Alweer een verklaring ontmaskerd, dit keer van Najoua Chekaya, the aerobic instructor in de Tapasbar, gelezen op mccanndiles.com. Zij was dus alleen op zondag en dinsdag aanwezig en dus niet op die fatale donderdag 3 mei:
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The aerobic instructor short statement Gazeta Digital

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis Thursday August 14 2008

Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a "Quiz Game", at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.

On May 1, 2007, after the "Quiz" was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.

During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
Nigel van mccannfiles.com:
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Comment: This is an extremely important piece of information, as we had previously been led to believe that Ms Chekaya had undertaken her quiz, and been invited to the table by Gerry, on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. Her police statement makes it quite clear that this was not the case. Consequently, she cannot corroborate, or provide an alibi for, any of the McCanns or their friends movements on the night of May 3rd.

Who was the source for the Daily Mail article that said she was present at the table on that night?

Reminder of Daily Mail article:

I just want to go home, says fitness teacher who is key witness Daily Mail

Last updated at 12:03 16 August 2007

A Briton critical to the Madeleine McCann investigation has told friends she is now desperate to leave Portugal. Aerobics instructor Najoua Chekaya was chatting with Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends when Madeleine, then three, vanished from the family's Algarve apartment in Praia da Luz.

That night, Ms Chekaya had organised a bar quiz at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying. Her evidence is understood to corroborate the McCanns' movements in the hour before the disappearance was discovered. This week police in Portugal publicly declared the McCanns, both doctors from Leicestershire, were not suspects following a smear campaign which suggested they and their friends were somehow implicated.

Ms Chekaya, 21, from Flitwick, Beds, is still working in Praia da Luz for Ocean Club operator Mark Warner. But she wrote to one friend on social networking site Facebook: "Missin you guys loads. dun with portugal now, wana cum home n have fun in flitwick!! neva thought id say that!!"

Portuguese laws make it an offence for witnesses in a criminal inquiry to discuss their evidence, but it is understood Ms Chekaya was invited by Mr McCann to join his table when the quiz finished at 9.30pm. It is understood she remained chatting with the McCanns and their friends until 10pm, when Mrs McCann went to check on Madeleine and discovered her daughter missing. What happened between 9pm and 10pm is likely to hold the key to Madeleine's fate.

Mr McCann checked on Madeleine and her two younger siblings at 9.05pm and reported that all was well and his daughter fast asleep. About 10 to 15 minutes after he returned to the table, a friend, Jane Tanner, went to check. She reported seeing a dark-haired man of about 35 carrying a child as she walked back to the bar afterwards but thought nothing of it.
De laatste alinea uit dit artikel van de Daily Mail klopt ook niet, zie post hierboven. Janner Tanner zag die man+kind (richting Murat's huis) op de heenweg... Wat een zooi leugens komen er nu naar boven.

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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 21:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.

Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....
Goedemorgen!

Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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Kate and Gerry McCann have hired a team of crack U.S detectives to lead the hunt for their missing daughter Madeleine, it has emerged.

The unnamed US firm is said to have been offered a £500,000 six-month contract by the Find Madeleine Fun to help spearhead the search.

A friend of the McCanns said: 'The hunt for Madeleine is becoming more and more international and it was felt that a truly international firm was now needed to lead the inquiry.
http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
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Op donderdag 14 augustus 2008 12:25 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen!

Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
Hajo Kahaarin, indeed, nog maar op een kiertje, want ik postte net dat die arobic-dame niet eens op de fatale avond aanwezig was! Ex-coppers (FBI, CIA en nog iets speciaals of zo) uit de US...nee, geen namen noemen...mmmm, making way to the States, to uhm....Oprah Winfrey/Barbara Walters en wie er maar wat te bieden heeft...misschien nieuwe sightings, de US is nog een onontgonnen gebied in deze. In Europa zijn de McCanns nou wel uitgekotst...America, here they come!
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Ik vind dit tot nu toe het meest onthullende (en tevens hilarisch op het einde) interview met Amaral, die inderdaad te dicht bij de waarheid zat, says it all really, IMO. Ik wilde wel uitspraken onderstrepen maar voor geinteresseerden, lees zelf maar and make up your own mind. Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
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“I was close to finding Maddie”

The inspector of the McCann case demolishes the abduction theory: “The sightings are marketing”. He explains, for the first time, what remains to be done in order to find the body

Gonçalo Amaral has already sold 140 thousand copies of his book Maddie: The Truth about a Lie. The former coordinator of the investigation into the case that shocked the country explains his theory to Focus.

FocusA newspaper reported that your book could be summed up as “murder, the dog wrote”, given the fact that it was the cadaver odour and the blood that were found that led you to sustain the theory that Madeleine McCann died. What do you actually know beyond the dogs?

Gonçalo Amaral – That comment only reveals the ignorance of the person who wrote it. The technique of residue collection using special dogs like these, CSIs, is usual in England, in the United States and it has already led to more than 200 condemnations. The laboratory where the samples [of blood, cadaver odour and DNA from Maddie] were analyzed has corroborated these experts’ work.

Focus It has corroborated it, but it does not specify that they belong to Maddie McCann.

G.A. – They can only match that from Madeleine McCann, because the lab had the twins’ DNA and it was not a match. Those are 15 out of 19 markers that match.

FocusWhat else sustains the theory?

G.A. – There is evidence from indicia, which is possible in this country, as long as the prosecutor possesses the conviction and the elements that indicate that, in court, there will be a condemnation. The Public Ministry has to value this evidence that was collected. This time, the Public Ministry considered that the indicia are not sufficient and archived the process.

FocusAnd what are those indicia that you understand as sufficient?

G.A. – The atypical behaviour of the parents: The fact that the lady says that she had three children sleeping in one room, that she arrives and one is missing, the window is open, she mentions it’s a cold night, the shutter is up… and she goes away, leaving two children asleep, with a possible abductor around. I know that [the reports from the PJ and from the Public Ministry] didn’t give any relevance to the contradictions and didn’t expose the falsehoods and the false testimonies that exist there from all the persons who intervened. That, deep down, is the evidence that indicates that everyone is lying and those lies cannot be understood.

FocusAnd who took the child from her bed?

G.A. – That is the question that we were investigating on the 2nd of October 2007, when I left. From that moment on, little investigation was carried out in that apartment. The parents should have come over for a reconstitution and they didn’t. That was necessary to understand what happened.

FocusWhich was…

G.A. – The death of the child in the apartment. The Public Ministry even mentions homicide. The abduction theory has been dismissed due to everything that has been made public.

Focus How do you defend the “accidental” death?

G.A. – There is indicia behind the sofa [of the McCanns’ living room]. The sofa is under a window that looks onto the street, which is three or four metres high. It is normal behaviour, and justice deals with normal behaviour, that the parents would have moved the sofa away from the window, given the fact that they had small children and alone at home. The window was easy to open and the shutters were not functioning…

FocusBut why “accidental”?

G.A. - I don’t say it’s accidental. Up to that moment, we could only reach an accidental death, because we had not worked on the rest yet. We had yet to understand what had happened there. Cadaver odour and blood from the child appear next to the sofa. Death has presumably taken place there. There are no doubts that it is a death and that it took place on that spot. We are not going to say that the mother did this or that, that would really be speculating, the only hypothesis is the accidental death. In the continuation of the investigations is where we could go further or not.

FocusYou said that the mother can’t be accused of having done this or that… How far can you deduct?

G.A. – As far as we could deduct on the 2nd of October. I believe, and so did my colleagues in the investigation, that if we had continued into the same direction of the investigation, we might eventually have gone further. We might even have reached a point where we dismissed any suspicion concerning the parents. Investigations that only go half the way is what leaves things as they are now.

FocusAre Madeleine McCanns’ parents responsible for their daughter’s death?

G.A. – No. There is a neglect in the guard [of the children]. There are no doubts that those children were not safe, because if they were, one of them wouldn’t have disappeared. Now, saying that “the responsibility of the death belongs to…” We had to understand, to collect data about what happened from there on. The reconstitution is essential. I did not understand, but I accepted the decision from a hierarchical team that I was part of, why the reconstitution was not done right away. The possibility of trying to make a new reconstitution was opened, but the arguidos had already left Portugal. A thing like this is only done with arguidos. The ideal is to have everyone, but even only with the couple, that were arguidos at that point in time, the reconstitution could have been carried out.

FocusAnd with actors?

G.A. – No. It would be enough to tell them: ‘You say that you did this and that, then do it, where did you enter, were you having dinner, weren’t you having dinner, what did you order for dinner…? Where did you touch and where didn’t you?’ All of this. It was important for Kate and Gerry McCann to come over, but the Irish witnesses could also come…

FocusThose who say that they saw Gerry McCann carrying a child, down the street, on the night of the disappearance.

G.A. – Yes, those who assert that they saw, with a certainty of seventy, eighty percent, Gerald McCann carrying a child, walking in the street, it was already nighttime.

Focus – You suggest that the little girl was frozen or conserved in the cold. How do you reach that?

G.A. – There is a bodily fluid, inside a car boot, above an “embaladeira” [n.t.: metallic piece of the car that reinforces the lower part of the doors], from a child that presumably died on the 3rd of May. The car was rented 20 days later and was even new. It had been rented two or three times. Taking into consideration the circumstances of the climate, the temperature, the decomposition of a body… A body, in order to leak a fluid in that manner, a body with more than a month of decomposition had to be preserved.

FocusDid it have to be close by?

G.A. – And why?

Focus It could have been taken to Lisbon, Oporto, Badajoz…

G.A. – That was what we were taking care of at that time. The body could have been moved, but nobody knows when the body was transported in the car. The car ran several kilometers [around 3000, according to the process]. And given the fact that it is not known when the body was transported, according to the analysis of the fluids, we have to attend to where the car went through. The McCann couple and their relatives. For example, the relatives later state that they transported garbage, a package with meat from the supermarket, but the dogs can tell those things apart very well.

FocusThere is a contradiction in the valuation of the dogs’ evidence.

G.A. – What happens is that the Public Ministry devalues it. In Portugal, we are all very skeptical towards this form of collecting indicia.

FocusYou state that you have not told everything that you know.

G.A. – And I haven’t.

FocusWhy?

G.A. – Because I am a jurist, too. Let’s see how the situation evolves.

FocusAnd how can the situation evolve?

G.A. – The things that are missing are important in terms of the investigation, but they are ours… When it is said: these are your convictions… This is the understanding of a work team and even with the English police. And with documents. It’s this kind of thing, for any action that may be coming. I don’t believe, but who knows.

FocusDoes the English police agree, then, with that “understanding” about what you are saying?

G.A. – The work with the English police went very well. Then, certainly due to a mere coincidence, when the McCann couple leaves, all the English policemen leave as well…

FocusYou are convinced that someone made the process reach the hands of the English.

G.A. – I have that idea. I think that it even fits into that marketing campaign that is saying that the little girl is alive.

FocusBut don’t you admit you may have doubts if there is a sighting?

G.A. – How many sightings have there been? Thousands. It’s been a year. I stopped giving them a lot of importance on the day that the dogs confirmed the cadaver odour and the blood.

FocusBut you did start with the abduction hypothesis.

G.A. – If you look closely, right in my first document, the process mentions “abduction” followed by two question marks.

FocusThen, you were thrown out…

G.A. - … that is a good expression…

Focus - … because of the reports that mention that you drink whiskey at lunch or because, in your work, you believe that there is a death?

G.A. – I don’t drink whiskey. I drink beer at lunch time, if they had written that, they would have been right. Before I left, a weekly magazine says: “That person does not last beyond October as the head of the investigation.” This happened a month or two before. And then I was given a speech like that one from the Attorney General: ‘Not all investigations can be successful, or the authors of the crimes are not always discovered…’ What may have hurt many people was my will to discover the material truth. And when I left, I was naturally closer to the truth. Two examples: Apart from our need to know who the friends of the McCann couple were, or if they knew anyone in Portugal, or who drove the car… if they eventually visited another apartment, if they used to meet someone, if they deposited someone… just for us to understand. Towards the end, I was informed that they had visited people at a villa in Praia da Luz. We went to check it out. Then, we were informed that the McCanns had visited an apartment block near the cemetery. And we were working on that, in order to confirm whether it was them or not. This was how we were trying to understand where the body was. And there are many persons who were not investigated, who were not in the process.

Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

FocusAre you going to sue the McCanns?

G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.

an interview by João Vasco Almeida and Frederico Duarte Carvalho in: Focus, edition nr 461, 13.08.2008
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Goedemiddag... Wat nieuwtjes/achtergrondjes van gisteren en vandaag in 't kort:
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Kate McCann's dagboek is onder de loep genomen door Quintino Aires, chair professor of psychology met als conslusie: "On the basis of all this, I am not surprised to read "I need you to come back" so many times and almost never "how are you feeling?". She seems to be more concerned with herself than with poor Maddie… It's the Kate McCann we had already got to know". De rest op mccannfiles.com

Dat klopt ook wel, allebei zijn ze voornamelijk op zichzelf gericht, gezien dit quootje uit Gerry's blog, 14/08/2008: 'NO EVIDENCE OF HARM' It is over 3 weeks since we learned that the Portuguese authorities had closed the investigation to find Madeleine...We were surprised that copies of investigation files were given to the media. The content of these files has been extensively reported. "It will be clear to everyone now, that there is absolutely no evidence that suggests Madeleine has been seriously harmed. Knowing this, we strongly believe that Madeleine is out there and can be found.

Of course whoever is responsible for Madeleine’s abduction must, and can be, found to prevent them from putting another child and family through the misery we have suffered. We have always believed that this heinous crime could be solved with the help of the public."
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Ongelofelijk...En als je bedenkt dat het team McCann al maaaaaanden er van overtuigd is de Madeleine in pedofile kringen verkeerd, M dus nog leeft en er geen bewijs is van dat ze "seriously harmed", is...wordt men toch kotsmisselijk van dit narcistische en op geld beluste stel....

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En deze site gaat alle documenten publiceren uit de vrijgegeven files, nou ja, alles..."It needs to be realised that the Portuguese Public Prosecutor handed over 11,000 out of 30,000 pages of the case file to the press. That means that there are still 19,000 pages which are still covered by the secrecy of justice. Clearly, this means that the press has no more information now than before. Everything in those pages has already been disclosed and published over more than a year now. In these pages, there is nothing new! Nothing that hasn't been talked about already. The important issues of the case are in the remaining 19,000 pages!"

"Thus over the next few articles, we are going to present the comments from the police, the questioning of the witnesses and suspects, the facts, the places, the times, the dates etc etc. Everything that's in the case file, without adding or taking out the least comma, so that the contents are in one sense or another, wholly transparent, so that you will no longer be manipulated by anyone, and you can form an opinion based on the real details contained in the case file."

"And to begin with, in every police report, there is a document which the police must have already asked you for on different occasions: your identity card and/or your passport. So, we start with the identity card of the missing victim: Madeleine Beth McCann."




En verder wederom een commentaar hoe het team McCann het publiek besodemieterd met die sigthings van onlangs terwijl ze de files kennen en weten dat de PJ dit alles heeft gecheckt. "The witness was invited to the UK to meet the McCann parents and Clarence Mitchell. The portrait was published on the parents' web site. A telephone number is even given. However, Clarence Mitchell, the McCann parents and their lawyers all have a copy of the case file. As a consequence, they all know that these people have been identified and questioned! There is the feeling of acting in a great stage play. A bad play." Bron Zie ook uit een eerdere post hoe 'nieuws' wordt doorverkocht ondanks dat men wist dat het Madeleine niet was.

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En verder vond er op verzoek van de Spaanse politie (Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit) een ontmoeting plaats op 19 october 2007 met Portugese detectives, belast met de zaak Madeleine en een vertegenwoordiger (representative) van Metodo 3. "The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy." Het verdere verhaal is eveneens interessant >>> Hoe Murat en zijn vriendin en anderen door het opzettelijk manipuleren van getuigenissen er in zijn geluisd: Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
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  vrijdag 15 augustus 2008 @ 14:34:50 #166
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Ow noes team McCann maar draaien en wringen om geloofwaardig over te komen, de US lijkt me nog niet zo'n slecht idee, daar hebben ze alleen de CM slur gelezen.
Goedemiddag trouwens! Voorlopig m'n laatste post dus, voor 2 weken dan.

Rondje Anorak is ook al zo wazig......
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Madeleine McCann: Selling Books And Fact As Fiction
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

WHILE the tabloids splash news of Madeleine McCann – our Maddy/ Maddie – on their front pages, spinning the single thread story into a news sensation, the Guardian uses the missing child as a touchstone for arty matters.

Just recently Madeleine has been in Edinburgh for the performing arts festival, and not. Like last year.

Today John Morton muses: “Can fiction tell the truth?”

Can fiction be fact? Anyone care to help Mr Morton before he gives this too much thought?

Many novelists have sought to dramatise the blurring of real life with drama, but this could obscure as much as it explains.

But novels are just a list of facts, right? Our man in the know is considering Kate Summerscale’s recent Samuel Johnson prizewinning book The Suspicions of Mr Whicher.

Summerscale’s book is at least in part an attempt to demonstrate that media frenzy over child abductions is not a new phenomenon (as the book concerns the abduction of a child, the parallels with today are clear - witness the fevered reaction to the disappearance in 2002 of two young girls in Soham, and the near-constant speculation over the fate of Madeline McCann).]

Can journalists ever blur fiction with fact? Discuss…
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Hooooooi, Kahaarin, nou ik gleoof dat ze in de US mogelijk best wel op de hoogte zijn van het een en ander, zeker wat neglect betreft (en daar houden ze daar al helemaal niet van!), dat heeft in alle bekende online kranten gestaan zoals CNN. Ook is is een flink aantal posters op fora uit de US, en Ophra Winfrey is op de hoogte van het 3arguido-forum.

Anyway, op Sky News stond ook dat gebrabbel van Gerry's Blog (waaruit ik vandaag al een quootje plaatste), de commentaren van lezers liegen er niet om. een greepje:
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If you could just show the police WHERE Madeleine is then that would be really helpful Gerry! Kate has a point about people on BLOGS some can be nasty can't they Gerry? ...Kate really needs to LOOK closer to home for the finale to all this. Tish tish my ole fruit-case! What are you thinking of inviting people to contact you that made statements to the PJ? That really is not on is it! By the way still want to know why is sun cream an offensive smell after only a few days?
Posted By :Amber

Very sad that it has come to this.\n\n'Absolutely no evidence his missing daughter Madeleine had been seriously harmed.' \nReally !!\n
Posted By : Debbie

C'mon people you know why Gerry is insisting she is still alive - didn't they say they would give the remaining fund money to childrens charities when they were given proof Madeleine was dead.\nThats their money they wont part with it.........\n
Posted By :Mags

I can't believe that Gerry is stupid enough to believe that his daughter 'missing' for 15 months has come to no harm. What abot the dogs Gerry? Why wouldnt Kate answer the questions? How did the 'abducter' get out of the appartment? Through a window with leaving no DNA? The windows were not broken or jemmied as you said? I doubt Madeliene has been harmed since leaving the appartment. ... But what happened while she was still inside ???
Posted By :Chrristine

Why is the media conspiring in this fantasy that Maddie is unharmed?It's sadly just so implausible.Highly-trained British sniffer dogs indicate otherwise and,even if she was abducted,does anyone seriously believe she is unharmed?
Posted By :Rachel

How thick does Gerry think the British public are???\nDoes he not realise that as every day passes by less and less people believe the drivel that comes out his mouth.\nIf Madeleine is found alive - I will eat my hat !
Posted By: jack

The Game's almost up. The sooner the british press realise this and stop crawling round the McCanns, the sooner it will be over. The journo to "bring it in to the public domain" will be very rich and very famous.
Posted By: dunitburger

If Madeleine can still be found Gerry,why have you and your wife never gone out and looked for her?\nI believe the dogs,they can't lie.
Posted By: mannie

The Portuguese police files show no evidence of an abduction, so why are the McCanns still following this line of enquiry.
Posted By: Amelia

I am sorry this little girl has not been found, but still alive, I think not.\n\nI think that the abductor had no choice once the circus began.\n\n
Posted By: DIANE HUTCHINSON

I find this quite ludicrous - They never looked for their daughter instead they were out jogging and swanning about. Well we just dont believe that Madeleine was abducted as there is absolutely no evidence to support this. On the other hand highly trained dogs are unlikely to be wrong and the DNA findings changed from one day to the next. It is a travesty of justice IMHO
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En wat is er vandaag te melden, niet echt hot news maar toch wel interessant imo. Nu de 'zoektocht' naar Madeleine met volle kracht wordt voortgezet, en de meest onmogelijke sightings worden gepubliceerd, bedacht ik mij opeens dat elk blond meisje eigenlijk potentieel gevaar loopt. Mensen die een moment of fame zoeken, zelfs lui die mogelijk doelbewust een look-a-like kidnappen en geld eisen, en ook pedo's an sich die kicken op dit soort verhalen en er mogelijk ook aan proberen te verdienen. Maar ook als je gewoon loopt te wandelen met je blonde kind, of met een nanny/familielid, je kan zomaar gekiekt worden en moet je aantonen dat het werkelijk Madeleine niet is. Ook dat meisje uit Molenbeek was daar slachtoffer van, de familie wilde ook absoluut geen publiciteit maar het is verdomd ergerlijk dat je kind ongewild in de krant komt op zo'n grote schaal.

Ik bedacht me dit toen ik dit verhaal las op mccannfiles.com die een artikel plaatst uit de Daily Mirror:
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"Another Brit took a picture of a girl at a bull ring in SEVILLE on May 12 and told police: "I doubt that someone who abducted Maddy on the Thursday would be visiting a bull ring on the Saturday so I suspect this photo won't help you but I thought it was better to send it anyway."An air passenger reported a sighting on a jet to the Brazilian capital SAO PAOLO. he previous year a man called police claiming to have seen Maddy at a book fair in RIO DE JANEIRO.

An eye-witness report by a British diplomat sparked a major incident in GUATEMALA when officials stopped a man in a shopping mall with a little girl. It turned out to be a local child with a bodyguard and despite an apology, her father accused the British Government of plotting to kidnap her. He demanded a formal written apology from the British Embassy."
In mijn optiek zijn de McCanns schuldig aan een mondiale witch hunt waar mogelijk onschuldige kinderen en natuurlijk de familie slachtoffer van kunnen worden...
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Ondertussen is het Claudia ook opgevallen (en ook zij plaatst er een aantal van net als ik hierboven) hoe scherp de commentaren zijn die nog steeds geplaatst mogen worden én blijven staan op Sky News nav het artikel dat "Gerry McCann states that according to him there is absolutely no evidence is the files that Madeleine has been hurt in any way."
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En verder een terug in de tijd-artikel uit The Mirror waarin Kate McCann zegt: "(...)"I never thought for one second that she'd walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left. But I knew she wouldn't walk out anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken.' Kate says she saw that Madeleine's toy Cuddle Cat had been left behind, but was careful not to touch it in case it held a clue to who took her. She says: "I knew straight away a crime had been committed, we had no doubt about that. We were very conscious of not touching things." (...)"

Dat schreef ik al eerder, als dokters weten ze donders goed dat een crimescène intact moet worden gelaten, iets wat ze dus NIET hebben gedaan. Na 40 min werd pas de politie gebeld, in die tijd zijn meubels in de woonkamer verschoven (zoals die sofa), zijn bloedsporen gevonden (Maddie’s parents accused of changing the disposition of the furniture and of washing the sofa) en is zowat half Praia da Luz in het apartement geweest....Bron en nog meer interessant nieuws van weleer op die site: Mr Woofall “heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched”

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Wat ik al schreef hierboven, men is niet meer veilig als je wandelt met een blond meisje, zelfs niet met een blond jongetje:
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Son of Croatian football player was confounded with Maddie

The madness about Madeleine McCann this time involved Dino Drpic, defense football player of the Dynamo of Zagreb The son of the defender of the Dynamo of Zagreb, Dino Drpic, was confused with the British girl Madeleine (Maddie) McCann by a few English tourists, who wanted to take him from his mother.

The madness about Maddie, kidnapped on May 3, 2007, continued this weekend in Croatia, when a few English tourists thought that they had sighted her in the island of Krk. Only that the "girl" was a boy, concretely the two-year-old son of Dino and Nives Drpic, informed today the Crotian Press.

A British girl, after seeing the fair-haired Leone Drpic, thought that it was Maddie and told her parents who also believed it was her. After taking some photos at a distance, they approached the child and tried to take Leone with them. Nives was close, but she did not realize the problem until the English woman put her arms around her son and tried to snatch him. Nives is used that the people in Croatia look at her and at her son and take photos wherever they go.

"I became suspicious when the English woman approached Leone and started chatting with him", told Nives. "In a moment she caught him by the arm, seemingly believing that nobody was watching him. Nevertheless, when I came running to the scene she realized her mistake and apologized."

Maddie disappeared one year and a half ago in the locality of Praia da Luz, in the Portuguese Algarve, and since then a series of reports spread about her sighting in several places around the world, but it was always a false alarm. by Joana Morais
Team McCann, if a child is hurt by your irresponsible obsessive actions to find Madeleine all over the world, then it is your responsibility, so stop this right now! Go to Portugal, all of you, and answer some questions, you may find out what ever happend to Madeleine...
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Ah, PM Gordon Brown heeft niet alleen veel gebeld met de McCanns, hij is zelfs naar het politiebureau in Leicester geweest, het corps wat heeft 'samengewerkt' met de Portugezen.
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Gordon Brown in Leicester, on September 12, 2007
Wednesday 12 September 2007: PM visits Leicester police station
Gordon Brown has visited a police station in Leicester to see first hand how the police are tackling crime. Accompanied by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the PM travelled to the Beaumont Leys police station in the north west of the city. During a tour of the station Mr Brown discussed neighbourhood policing and engagement with local residents and police officers. Following the visit the PM and the Home Secretary attended a Citizens Jury on the subject of crime at the Walkers. Paulo Reis
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En verder een gezellig artikel in The People, over journo Duarte Levi die foto's heeft aangeboden aan dat blad, leest u mee...
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Vile fantasist ties (sic) to sell 'dynamite' Madeleine McCann pics The People

'Photos of couple are a bombshell...I will sell for highest offer'
Exclusive by James Millbank 17 August 2008
Maddie McCann's parents are "devastated and furious" over a cruel bid to cash in on their anguish.

Grasping Duarte Levy demanded £50,000 for photographs he claims implicate Kate and Gerry in their daughter's disappearance. The 23-stone Frenchman said the "dynamite" pictures showed Kate had changed clothes suspiciously the night Maddie vanished.

Despicable Levy also made the ludicrous claim that the 24 photos he was peddling cast doubt on what Gerry and one of the couple's Tapas 7 pals told Portuguese police. Levy, who said he had close links to the cops, bragged outrageously: "These photos are a bombshell and will force the Maddie case to be re-opened."

The People refused his offers to sell the pictures - and told the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of Levy's preposterous claims. Mr Mitchell branded Levy "a con man and fantastist".

He said: "Kate and Gerry are angry and upset that he is seeking to make money out of Madeleine - it is a disgrace. "They are no longer suspects and he should not be trying to tarnish their reputation. We thank The People for exposing this man."

A People investigator met Levy in a Brussels hotel last week. Levy said: "I will sell the photos to the highest bidder. I got hold of them through my contacts." Levy - who is in his 40s and claims to have homes in Spain, Belgium and London - said he had sold pictures and stories about Maddie for tens of thousands of pounds.

He said his new photos showed doctors Kate and Gerry, both 40, dining with their friends in Praia da Luz the night Maddie, then three, disappeared 15 months ago. Levy claimed that Kate and one of the Tapas 7 changed their clothes.

He also alleged: "The photos were taken between about 8.10pm and 10.15pm and they show that the time lines made by Gerry McCann and another Tapas 7 friend are wrong. They are dynamite." Levy cruelly scorned Kate and Gerry's belief that Maddie is still alive. He said: "I believe she died in that room during an accident and then her body was moved to a flat in the town where it was kept in a freezer."

The claim is categorically denied by the McCanns and police produced no evidence to support the theory. Levy said the pictures were taken by a Spanish tourist whose camera was later stolen. He claimed a police source tipped him off after officers found the camera, which he then bought legally.

Levy also tried to convince The People that a well-known British legal firm offered him 600,000 euros (£512,800) for the photographs. Bizarrely, he said he refused because the lawyers would not agree to his demand that the police should have copies of the pictures.

He also offered The People recordings he claimed to have of the McCanns' financial backer, double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, in a private meeting with Portuguese police. Mr Mitchell last night said he did not know if Kate changed her clothes and added: "If she did, so what?" He said: "It is no big deal that Mr Kennedy met the police.

"He is interested in all - aspects of the investigation. He is a very hands-on person." A friend of the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, said last night: "They have nothing to hide. It appears the Portuguese police are using Levy to leak negative material."
Wat Levi eerder publiceerde heb ik hier gepost, mogelijk geeft hij nog antwoord op deze beschuldiging om vet te cashen, hij zou toch moeten weten dat zoiets uitkomt, de McCanns grijpen alles aan om iemand onderuit te halen, dus ik heb mijn twijfels. Want waarom zo'n lang artikel, toch een beetje bang...? En verder zijn de McCanns weer eens furieus over het boek van Amaral: Fury as Madeleine McCann cop brings sick book to UK The People Als het boek in de UK uitkomt, nou Amaral, pas maar op: "But the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell fired a warning to Mr Amaral last night, saying: "If he seeks to publish in Britain, he and his publisher will face legal action without a shadow of a doubt." Amaral kijkt er naar uit iig: "Mr Amaral said he would RELISH a court battle with the couple to clear HIS name." Persoonlijk denk ik niet dat de McCanns hem gaan aanklagen want dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er wel en niet waar is.... heerlijk. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

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Dacht ik al, op het hierboven geplaatste artikel uit The People over het cashen van Duarte Levi is al snel een antwoord gekomen van de journo zelf, in de vertaling hier gelezen, z'n eigen Franse site is hier, hij heeft alleen in Brussel gesproken met een aantal Britse journo's zoals die onderaan dit artkel is staan vermeld, hij zelf heeft dus helemaal geen foto's in zijn bezit, Gosh, those British journo's, what a load of rubbish:
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Sunday, 17 August 2008 The People: Duarte Levy's response about those photos.

Clarification concerning the article in the Sunday newspaper, The People, August 17th 2008.

The information concerning me, published today in The People newspaper, is false. Between August 9th and August 15th, I was contacted by and met with several British journalists (*) at their request, about a witness who claimed to have seen Madeleine McCann in Brussels, and about the article published by me and Paulo Reis about the existence of 24 photos, taken on the the night of May 3rd by tourists who were at the Tapas Bar.

These colleagues asked me for help, because, besides the fact that they don't speak French, they didn't know Brussels, didn't know where or to whom to direct themselves to investigate the case of the witness claiming to have seen Madeleine.

As is the rule between professional colleagues, I met with these journalists and I helped them as much as I could. As is obvious, we spoke about the Madeleine McCann case, on the information published recently on my blog and on my colleague Paulo Reis' blog. We exchanged impressions and comments. I will not repeat the comments from my English colleagues, because private conversations are private conversations - at least for principled people.

So that it is clear, I do not have in my possession, anything which is of interest to the authorities or which might concern the investigation of a crime.

Duarte Levy

(*) – Nick Fagge & Jonathan Buckmaster - Daily Express / Lucy Hagan - The Sun / Julie (?) Daily Mail / Emily Miller - The Mirror / James Millbank - The People (14 and 15 August)
Again, British journo's, go search for some real news in the UK, find some background-stories about The Paynes, The Websters, The Oldfields, Brian Kennedy, the board-members of the Madeleine-fund, why are they all supports the McCanns, anything to hide....may be???? What is so secret about Madeleine and her parents???? They won't talk for more than a year, because of this Portugese secrecy-laws, that is now lifted, let them speak up, tell us what they know, come on then! Do your job or shut up.

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We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

KM = Kate McCann, GM = Gerry McCann, CM = Clarence Mitchell, Mrs Healy = Kate's moeder, John McCann = Gerry's broer, DP = David Payne (Tapasvriend), JT = Jane Tanner (Tapasvriendin), vetgedrukt zijn de bijgevoegde commentaren van de poster:
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Certainly worthy of reflection
GM, "We have been advised our behaviour was legally well within the bounds of responsible parenting and have been assured no action will be taken." Really? And who told you that? Britney?

CM, "Kate and Gerry are realistic enough to know that Madeleine may be dead and it would be a tragedy that she is found as such, because it rules out the hope that she is alive... But any widening of the search area is encouraging and we would welcome that. If she is dead then she is dead, but not by their hand." http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)trawl-reservoir.html Ok, then. Phew, what a relief.

CM, "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material that the police may or may not have found." Good to know. But nobody would ever think otherwise.

KM "believes she is being persecuted because of her appearance," her mother revealed today. In an extraordinary interview, Susan Healy described how her distraught daughter claimed "if she was heavier” and had bigger breasts”people would be more sympathetic." Yep, that's it. It has got nothing to do with the parenting choices done that week. It's the tits.

The McCanns were said to be "emotionally torn" to learn that Portugal's biggest ever anti-paedophile operation has failed to turn up a single lead in the hunt for their four-year-old daughter, who went missing during a family holiday on May 3. http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)leine's-parents.html What?

GM just days after Madeleine's disappearance, "Kate and I have to concentrate on our own well being." I never doubted you would.

KM, "I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances." Of course not. There is absolulety no connection at all between Madeline being left alone and being missing. Was there any moron who would think such a thing?

KM, "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us." Of course not. If it is well within the bounds of responsible parenting how can it be a crime. In fact, I think it is one of the most popular and well accepted suggestions on all parenting books: "Do not spend too much time with your toddlers. You need your 'me' time and they need theirs. Meals, especially, should be made separetely. You don't want to raise co-dependent children, do you?".

GM, "I know 100 per cent Kate could NOT have done anything. I know that's true from what I did that night...and in terms of what Kate knows about me, I was away from her for just ten minutes." That's very important. relationships without trust do not work.

GM, "Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand. An act of madness, an accident or sudden impulse can lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended." Couldn't agree more.

GM, "It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion." http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article10632.ece Oh God, how can this possible? Oh cruel, ungrateful world. It's disaster after disaster. My heart weeps.

KM, "It was our holiday too, you know." Yeah, we know. We all know. Sadly.

KM, "We were just so into each other." Good to know. Friends are very important.

GM, "The situation that Madeleine finds herself in" Kids... Always messing up.

GM, "We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing... It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that." Big plans, uh?

KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. Whoosh clunk????

GM, in Vanity Fair, The iris is "Madeleine's only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or" - he grimaces - "her abductor might do something to her eye... but in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy." And that's what really matters, isn't it? Ok, she could be hurt... But let's not be pessimistic. Such a good marketing ploy can't be ignored just like that.

CM, "We have not cooperated in any shape or form." We all know that.

CM, "An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more." Oh, you naughty boy. I wonder if Mr Murat has spoken to his lawyer.

CM, "I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media." Yes, we all know that...

Gonçalo Amaral "This is very weird for an abduction". Upon hearing Gonçalo Amaral, a young inspector asked him, "Chief, do you believe Kate is responsible for the death of her daughter?" The answer couldn't be more direct, "I'm still not sure, but I wouldn't like her to be my mother." Me neither. Yikes!

GM, "we are hoping for the best possible outcome for us.... and Madeleine." Madeleine? That name sounds familiar. Who is she anyway?

KM, "At worst we were naive." Fan of euphemisms, uh?

John McCann, "Even if she has been damaged, I believe she is still recoverable." Good to know. Sounds quite simple.

GM, If the worst happened...at least she will be in a better place." I agree.

KM: " Our life is not as happy without Madeleine." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/25/ukcrime.madeleinemccann I'm so sad to hear that. My heart weeps once again.

"Kate feels after all she's been through she feels she has a lot to offer child organisations." Kids, runnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

Mrs Healy of KM: "One of her main goals in life is to work with children and assist with child safety." Don't stop. Keep runninggggggg!

DP: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business." Ok, sorry. We'll stop being nosey. You don't have to be rude.

JT: "I saw a man carrying a child in their pyjamas and I thought to myself - well he's not a very good parent - as it was a cold night." I certainly agree. What an irresponsible bastard. Bundleman should have his kid taken away by the Social Services. We all know that if the night is cold the responsible thing to do is go out and leave the kids at home. Alone. In an insecure apartment. In a foreign country. Babysitting for the 2 year old twins. Bundleman, hang your head in shame, you creep.

KM, "It was really just like being in your back garden." We know, hun. We all do it. No need to recriminate yourself more. Nothing more, nothing less than well withing the bounds of responsible parenting.

GM, "It could have been worse, we could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare." I agree. You were very lucky. Margaret, of course, wan't. But you were. It's not Margaret, is it? I'm pretty sure it's an M name.

CM "...it is true that we have requested a meeting with the prime minister to show him the strength of our case, to explain Kate and Gerry's innocence and yet all we've been offered is a medium-level-consular meeting, which we rejected." http://www.mccannfiles.com/id63.html Way to go, CM. Show that idiotic, arrogant prime minister his place. Who the hell does he think he is? Does he know who he's talking to? You're in big trouble, mister.

CM, "They don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'. That is what the tabloids would like but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/11/madeleinemccann.itv Yep, we all know that either.

Susan Healy, "Well I have to say that I'm surprised that Kate and Gerry left their children at all and I've thought about it a lot because they're such caring parents and I think - why?" We all still do, Mrs Healy. We all still do.

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Het volgende quootje uit bovenstaande post staat op een filmpje welke is geknipt uit de BBC-docu: KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. > "A small window of opportunity" Ook dit blijft mij verbazen...

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En verder schreven Gerry en Kate McCann de gebeurtenissen (lees: tijdslijn van de checks) van die avond op, enkele uren na de vermissing, op de covers van kinderboeken die hun kinderen vaak inkeken...De PJ meent: "The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner."

To get their stories straight??? IMO. op de site van Joana Morais
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Maddie’s book torn by the parents - Correio da Manhã

Process: PJ apprehended document that was written by the group

Hours after the disappearance of the little English girl, the McCanns used the covers of children’s story books that belonged to their daughter, to write down details of the evening.


Hours after Madeleine disappeared, the English girl’s parents tore the covers of two children’s books that the child enjoyed leafing through before going to sleep, to write down the details of the evening of the disappearance.

There, according to what can be verified by the pages that have been appended to the process, Madeleine’s parents noted the periodicity of the visits to the rooms where the various children slept and who within the group of English people had verified that nothing out of the ordinary was taking place.

The PJ appended those documents to the process on September 9 of last year, then referring that the same had been apprehended by the GNR on the night that the girl stopped being seen.

The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner. That was the motive why those pieces of evidence were gathered only after Gerry and Kate were made arguidos, at a time when they had already formally assumed that they were suspects.

To the authorities, it was then an important detail at that moment in the investigation, because it revealed the little girl’s parent’s concern in protecting themselves from possible responsibilities, overshadowing the preservation of objects that belonged to the child at a moment in time when she had only been missing for a few hours. Which led the authorities to admit that there could have been a manipulation of testimonies. source: Correio da Manhã 18.08.2008, paper edition by astro.
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Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 12:06 schreef Suko het volgende:
We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 22:26 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

Interessante handtekening heb je trouwens.
Ah leuk dat je nog steeds meeleest Yyventle, soms denk ik dat Kahaarin (nu op vakantie) de enige nog zijn.maar gezien de pageviews lezen er nog steeds een aantal dit topic. Het blijft fascinerend want eigenlijk is dit volgens mij en velen all over the world de grootste coverup van deze tijd, de dood van een kind en een frauduleus fonds, door ouders, vrienden, geldschieters en mensen van de Britse overheid > inclusief de baas. En dit alles met medewerking van de Britse pers. Het is bijna niet te bevatten. Het zou kunnen dat er belangen op het spel staan, reputaties in tact houden, wát is er zo erg dat verborgen moet blijven en waarom kregen de Portugezen geen toegang tot belangrijke documenten en wat ze wisten mocht niet gebruikt worden. Met vrijwel niets moesten ze met bewijzen komen die de ouders als schuldigen moest aanwijzen. Het enige wat er uit is gekomen dat ze dat niet kunnen bewijzen, er staat nergens dat ze onschuldig zijn. Ook ontvoering is niet bewezen.

Ik zou alleen nog iets plaatsen als er echt nieuws was, zo nieuw dat de PJ de zaak kan heropenen, iets wat tot 2022 mogelijk is... Maar ik heb als argument om te blijven posten door wat er nu naar buiten komt, via Amaral, Portugees en de eerste 5 maanden leider van het politie-onderzoek én schrijver van het boek "The Truth of the Lie". Alleen Portugese kranten citeren hieruit inclusief wat materiaal uit het eindrapport die vooralsnog alleen de media nog kan inzien, het publiek dus over een paar weken. Het is belastend genoeg en ik vind het van belang dat het internet genoeg tegenwicht moet kirjgen naast de b*ll die de Britten menen te moeten publiceren. Beetje treiteren ook, aangezien het team McCann alle blogs en fora in de gaten houdt...naast erg, ergens toch ook weer heerlijk toch?!

Voorbeeldje hoe de Britse politie die verhoren in april van dit jaar heeft gehouden, in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron

Je gelooft je ogen niet als je dit leest, als je bedenkt dat men wilde zien of er verschil zou zijn met hun eerdere verklaringen.... Nogal logisch dat ook het tweede verhoor in de UK exact hetzelfde was als in Portugal. Anyway, ik heb al hier en daar gelezen dat het misschien een reden heeft dat Amaral, nu buiten dienst, naar buiten komt met een boek die feiten bevat en er komt mogelijk een vervolg. Toch wel tamelijk beschamend voor de UK en het team McCann is nerveus, als je ziet hoe men reageert nu er mogelijk foto's zijn, in de Tapasbar, op 3 mei, op die avond. Wij wachten af.

Toetje: een heel kort filmpje van PM Gordon Brown en J. Smith van BZ, die de Leicester Politie (in het district waar de McCanns wonen) met een bezoekje vereerden, op 12 sept 2007. Op 9 september, dus vlak daarvoor, keerden de McCanns terug naar de UK, 48 uur eerder werden ze tot formeel verdachten verklaard. Welnee, niks toevallig, daar komen dagelijks belangrijke mensen vanuit Londen naar toe....

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Wij wachten af, zoals je net schreef. Ik ben het net als anderen niet vergeten en hoop nog steeds op een oplossing. Dank voor jouw en Kahaarin's volharding om ons op de hoogte te houden.
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Hoi Voyeur, long time no read! Wel ja, het wordt eigenlijk nu pas interessant, beerput-artikelen te over, uit Amaral's boek en uit het eindrapport. De UK en een aantal inwoners komen er niet best af....to put it mildly. Gaan we weer. Een stukje uit de artikelen die volgen uit het eindrapport op deze site. Niet alles is direct interessant maar wel dit, een foto van Madeleine McCann, gegeven door haar ouders destijds aan de politie ter identificatie, hoe Madeleine er toen uitzag. Nonsens natuurlijk zoals ook deze blogger schrijft:
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"Blogger's note: this seems like an odd photo of Madeleine for the McCanns to give the police on the evening of her disappearance. The child in this photo looks nothing like the one in the, "last photo," which was produced for the police 23 days later, the one of Madeleine with Gerry and Amelie by the swimming pool. I seriously doubt that Madeleine could have been identified from that photo."


Dé laatste foto van Madeleine bij het zwembad, 23 dagen later aan de politie gegeven.


En deze kiek zelf opgezocht, zoals die later massaal werd getoond.
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Kate's strange attitudes Correio da Manhã

Suspected
- PJ admitted that the children had been drugged

19 August 2008 - 00h30 Thanks to 'ines' for translation

A strange attitude by Kate, on the day of Madeleine's disappearance was pointed out by Fiona Payne, one of the members of the British group on holiday in Praia da Luz.

Fiona Payne's witness statement says that Maddie's mother, during the first hours marked by despair and by a feeling close to frustration, several times approached the twins, holding her fingers close to their noses.

Sean and Amélie were asleep at this time, but Kate seemed to want to confirm that that her youngest children were alive, checking if they were breathing.

This behaviour, linked to the fact that Maddie's grandparents confirmed that the children took a sleeping solution to help them go to sleep - a common medication in the UK and often given to children - raised doubts amongst the investigators. But the fact was never taken further, in spite of of one of the theses defended by the first team responsible for the investigation that the disappearance was linked to an accident, which could have been directly linked to the medication given to the children.

Another fact confused the investigators. Kate and Gerry always said that Maddie, Sean and Amélie fell asleep at 19.30/20.00, which was the reason for their being capable of leaving them alone when they went to dine in the restaurant situated 100 metres away, from where they had no view of the apartments.

The version changed later whn Gerry was interrogated, as an arguido.

At that moment, the father told that Maddie had difficulties in falling asleep and that they had instigated a points system in order to tackle this. The girl would be rewarded when she managed to achieve certain targets.

TESTS WERE NOT POSITIVE

Months after Maddie's disappearance and at the time Kate already felt that the investigation was turning against her, she suggested to the PJ that the twins should be subjected to tests, to see whether they had been drugged on the night of the disappearance.

The request was perceived as a strategy to confuse the investigation, given that the couple were both doctors, who would know that, at that moment it was no longer possible to detect any trace of substances that could have been ingested by the children. In the process it was verified that this thesis was never judged to be credible.

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'THE PEOPLE'

The parents of Maddie are "devastated and angry" with the news that a French national wants to sell photos taken at the Ocean Club and which can blame Kate and Gerry in the disappearance of her daughter.

'BELFAST TELEGRAPH'

The newspaper reports that Gerry continues to believe that his daughter will be found alive and asks that anyone who has information about Maddie to contact the private detectives. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
Ik weet wel dat de McCanns zelf maaaaanden later de kids hebben getest middels een privélab, niets gevonden natuurlijk. Opmerkelijk is ook dat Gerry McCann het altijd belachelijk heeft gevonden dat er werd gesuggereerd dat de kids iets kregen om te slapen. De blogs en fora stonden er vol van nav kranten-artiklelen. Later in augustus vertelde Gerry Mccann in de BBC-docu dat de twins mogelijk iets van sedatie van de ontvoerder moet hebben gekregen omdat de kids overal doorheen sliepen.... En dan schreef Gerry McCann op z'n blog dd 26/05/2007: "Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!" Ja, dat hebben we gezien Gerry, en waarom maak je dat nou wereldkundig...Overigens hebben de McCanns vanaf het begin geweigerd haar van de twins af te staan voor onderzoek en was het inderdaad veel later (en dus te laat) ook niet meer nodig volgens de PJ toen de Mccanns het zelf aanboden.
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En dan nog even over die krabbels van de McCanns op de kaften van die kinderboeken, iets wat ik eerder heb gepost.
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Two contradictory lists and a torn children's book, 18 August 2008

Excerpt from 'The Truth of the Lie' by Gonçalo Amaral (pages 136/137)
18 August 2008 Thanks to 'lisbonirish' for translation

The first investigator who went to the apartment after the alarm was raised was informed of the existence of a plan for checking on the children while the parents dined one hundred metres away. At the time, Russell O'Brien handed over two lists handwritten on the inside cover of a children's book, a sticker activity book for children more than 3 years of age. We believe the book was Madeleine's and we do not understand why they tore off the cover of the child's book. A child had just gone missing and all its belongings should be precious to those who loved her. Was there really no other paper around? Not even a simple napkin? The question hangs in the air and the response is yet another contradiction. The lists contained the possible record of the checks in the apartment." Gelezen op mccannfiles.com
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Nog even over die vermeende foto's (genomen op 3 mei 2007 in de Tapasbar waarop Gerry, Kate en de rest te zien zou zijn) die Duarte Levy in z'n bezit zou hebben en te koop zou hebben aangeboden, volgens het blad The People, niet waar, ligt iets anders, zie eerdere post. Het volgende artikel in 24 Horas, gelezen op websleuths.com:
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What Levy says to 24horas:
- The 24 pics exist
- He has already seen some of them
- The pics were taken by a tourist on vacations with his wife and another couple
- The pics were made between 20h10 and 22h15 at Tapas Bar
- The pics show in the background the MCs and the British friends on vacation with them
- In one of the images would be possible to see that Kate McCann changed clothes during dinner time
(24horas recalls that: the group’s version of events stated that K just left the table around 22h00 when she went to the apt and noticed Maddie’s disappearance; that when G was made arguido he stated not to have taken a camera and not to remember if anyone else did and also that he did not remember what K was wearing that day)
- The owner of the pics would have had already contacts with British newspapers in order to sell the publishing rights. However he puts a condition to it: the pics must be shown to the Portuguese police.
- The tourist has sent the pics to the British centre of protection of children that cooperated with the Portuguese authorities in collecting information on the case
- After the tourist made that contact an important law firm from the UK got in touch with him and offered 600,000euros for all of the pictures - “The lawyers wanted him not to talk about the content of the pics and not to send them to Portugal, for that reason the deal was not done”

(24horas recalls that during the process the investigators insistently tried to find images that portrayed the events of the 3rd of may. They were not successful)

On the small box above the piece can be read: “The British magazine The People has accused Duarte Levy of trying to sell them the pictures taken on the night Maddie disappeared for 50k, around 600,000euros and assuring them he had refused the deal and they warned the couple MC. In a statement to 24horas, Levy denies: “I’m not the owner of the pictures; I only helped several journalists that contacted me in Brussels”. In a statement to the magazine, CM, MC’s spokesperson, claimed that K and G “are angry and upset” and reminded that “they are no longer suspects”. Nevertheless he admits not knowing if K changed her clothes that night. “What if she did?”, asks Mitchell quoted by The People.”
http://www.24horasnewspaper.com/total.php?numero=2922&link=14
Copied from: http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21706&start=705 (vimark)
Interessant, als het klopt allemaal. Waarom zou Kate Mccann tijdens het eten zich moeten verkleden, Gerry kon zich niet kan herinneren wat Kate die avond aan had.

In een commentaar op dit forum schrijft Tony Bennett over dat advocatenkantoor die zo graag die foto's wil hebben/kopen: "If this turns out to be Bates, Wells and Braithwaite, the McCanns' London Solicitors, this would indeed be a bombshell and Bates, Wells and Braithwaite could find themselves disciplined by the Solicitors Regulation Authority and/or the Legal Complaints Service - TB"



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Nog een stukje uit een artikel van 24 Horas, gelezen op websleuths.com:
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"From a reading of legal documents, to which 24Horas has access, it is evident that Jane Tanner was never in the street where she claimed to have seen Maddie’s alleged abductor. Employees of the Tapas Bar stated that she did not leave the restaurant between 19h30 and 22h30--when the disappearance occurred--and Gerry, nor his friend, who were on this same street, remember having seen the Briton [Jane] and much less the abductor. It was some two months after the disappearance when Tanner remembered to tell the authorities what the abductor was wearing and also helped in creating the photo-fit."
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"On the 5th of August, things started to get complicated for the McCanns. In accordance with e notice put out by 24Horas, on the evening of, authorities had begun searching with the British dogs. The investigations began in Murat’s house, at the point, the only arguido. Nothing incriminating was found. But on the 6th of August the floodgates opened. Searches made in the Ocean Club apartment complex rented by the McCanns, the dogs detected cadaver odour and blood smells. Our headline that morning read “British dogs detect death in Maddie’s room.” Later came the detection of blood and cadaver odour in the McCann rental car. Refer to the fact that, according to the British specialists, the dogs can only lead to clues regarding dead human brings. The McCanns opted, at the time, for silence.
Well well, Jane Tanner heeft die avond tussen 19h30 and 22h30 de Tapasbar niet eens verlaten...en dus geen Gerry pratend met Jeremy Wilkens gezien en geen man met kind in z'n armen die ze in eerste instantie als Robert Murat herkende en naderhand Bundleman. The dirt is coming out....

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Nog even over die foto's (zie eerdere post) welke zijn genomen in de Tapasbar op 3 mei 2007 door een Brits toerist en gezien door journo Duarte Levy, gelezen op de site van Joana Morais
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Mysterious photos interest the PJ - 24Horas
Judiciária “attentive” towards new evidence in the Maddie case

Police investigates the possible existence of new photos from the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared

The Judiciária is analyzing the case of the supposed existence of photographs that were taken by a tourist inside the Tapas Bar restaurant on the day that Madeleine disappeared, a source at the PJ stated to 24Horas.

“Despite the archiving of the judicial process, we remain attentive to any fact or any piece of evidence that allows for us to clarify the circumstances under which the child disappeared”, the same source referred. If the facts justify it, the process may even be reopened.

Yesterday, 24Horas published statements from French journalist and blogger Duarte Lévy, in which he says that he saw some of the 24 photos that a tourist says he took inside the Tapas Bar between 8.10 and 10.15 p.m. on the 3rd of May.

At that time, the McCann couple dined with the group of seven British tourists that accompanied them in their Algarvian holidays, until the moment, at around 10 p.m., when Kate got up from the table. She would return shortly afterwards, saying that Maddie had disappeared.

Easily identifiable

According to Duarte Levy, the images “are not coincidental” with the report that was made by the English to the PJ, about what happened that evening. According to the journalist, the photographs were taken by a tourist who was having dinner at the Tapas Bar, in the company of his wife and another couple.

Based on this description, the PJ should not have any difficulties in reaching the owner of the photos, given that at a certain point in the process the reservation list of the restaurant was apprehended.

24Horas has been able to establish that on the 3rd of May, apart from the McCann group – that had booked a table for 8.30 p.m. and where 9 persons were seated – there were only three other tables that were occupied by four persons, identified by their surnames: Edmonds, Buller and Patell. All of them were already inside the Tapas Bar when Kate and Gerry McCann arrived there, only a few minutes after the scheduled hour.source: 24Horas, August 20, 2008 by astro.
Wat Gerry en Kate McCann zelf verklaren in die BBC-docu, transscript: "GERRY: We ate in the open air bit of the tapas and when we went in there was I think one or two other couples. KATE: And then it was just us, you know, and it wasn't late, you know, it was half eight we were there. GERRY: One couple we played tennis with and we chatted to them, and then some of the friends started arriving and they left shortly after that. And I think at that point we might have been the only table."

Yep, er zou een reserveringslijst moet zijn van alle gasten, makkelijk te checken. Als het klopt natuurlijk, waarom zijn die foto's niet in het bezit van de PJ vraag je je dan af, ik heb hier een zeer gereserveerde houding over. Iemand (bron) schrijft verder over het verwisselen van kleren door Kate die avond, wat op die foto's te zien zou moeten ziijn: "Let's ask Clarence where he thinks Kate changed her clothes - in her apartment or in someone else's apartment? That would open up another kettle of fish! Because if her original story is true and she hadn't checked on Madeleine before she discovered her missing, then where did the clothes come from?"

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Er mag gelachen worden...want wat schrijft The Mirror vandaag, wat snippers: "Margaret yesterday told the Mirror she saw the prowler hiding in the dark as she left through the back entrance after baby-sitting at apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, the year before Maddy was taken from the appartment." Despite telling police, British nanny Margaret Hall was not asked to help with an artist's impression. Now, thanks to the Daily Mirror, a sketch of his face can be seen for the first time."

Krijg nou wat, een jaar geleden??? Toch eens aan wat kennissen vragen of er iemand de laatste jaren in de Algarve een scruffy, long-haired stranger hebben zien rondsluipen.

En verder ook nog: "She was back in the UK when she heard of Maddy's disappearance in May last year - and a chill ran down her spine when she realised the little girl had been taken from the apartment where she had worked. Her mind immediately pictured the scruffy, long-haired stranget. She told police in her home town of Bolton and was interviewed but no photofit was ever issued.

Margaret later saw the sketch of a man carrying a young girl in pyjamas and instinctively she thought to herself: "That's him." It had been made from details given by Jane Tanner, a pal of Gerry and Kate McCann. Margaret added: "My description of the man is very similar to that of Jane Tanner's."

Welke beschrijving van Jane Tanner zou ze nou bedoelen? De nieuwe e-fit maar toegevoegd, nummertje 4 dus, ja sprekend hoor...



And a chill ran down her spine? In Januari zei Cail Cooper ook al zoiets, ""Mrs Cooper, from Newark, Notts, said: "He made my blood run cold." The Mirror

Maar goed, toch wel jammer voor onze Margaret Hall (toch niet deze Leicester copper he!, uit het district waar de McCanns wonen), net nu 24 Horas gisteren meldde dat Jane Tanner die avond de Tabasbar niet heeft verlaten...of werd dit artikel juist daarom geplaatst....

Maar het leukst van al is wel dat dit verhaal al eerder was te lezen in de Daily Mail: Madeleine: Nanny 'caught stranger hiding outside apartment before she disappeared' 30 oktober 2007 U kunt mij thans opvegen....

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Op Websleuths is een hoofdstuk gepost uit het boek (The Truth of The Lie) van Amaral, voormalig leider van het Portugese politieonderzoek:
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Chapter 11 - Analysing a crime scene. Apartment 5A.

- routine meetings between the investigators include the presence and the participation of English colleagues from Leicestershire, as well as José Freitas, a senior official from Scotland Yard, who is a British citizen, a descendant of Portuguese immigrants from Madeira.
- this particular meeting is dedicated to analyse the photographic report that was made inside apartment 5A on the evening of the facts.
- the first thing that jumps out is the ‘tidiness’ of the bedroom where Madeleine and her twin siblings were supposedly asleep. no signs of an abductor in the access to the bedroom window.



- windowsill is 91 cms above the floor, a bed is placed against the wall, with signs of someone who slept in it. a wicker chair stands against the far wall. no markings of shoes on the chair, or on the bed.
- conclusion: the window was not used for anything, or there were 2 abductors, one on the inside and one on the outside.
- bedroom window is protected by a shutter on the outside. on the inside, an opaque curtain that reaches until the top of the windowsill, and two side curtains, that reach until the floor, with embraces. all the curtains are pulled towards the window centre, not covering it entirely.



- the embrace on the right hand side lies on the floor, between the bed’s feet and the wicker chair, which is pushed against the curtain on the right. the embrace on the left side is hanging from the wall bracket, the left curtain is ruffled, making it look like someone pulled it close in a hurry.
- none of the curtain’s embraces is in its normal position, suspended on the wall.



- Kate says that when M was noticed missing, the curtains were completely closed, i.e. they would have been closed by the parents and the eventual abductor would have positioned them in that manner, in order to facilitate his passage through the window.
- the embraces could only have landed in the position in which they were found, when the curtains were pulled shut. other possibility: the curtains were open and were taken out of that position after the disappearance. an abductor would not have wasted time with that; this action is more coincident with an intentional change of a crime scene.
- other indicia pointing towards the change of the crime scene would surface.



- the bed sheets and the position of the soft toy raised suspicions. bed looks like nobody slept there, soft toy is position symmetrically to the pillow, pink blanket is almost folded. father confirmed that the blanket and the soft toy were in that position when he went to check his daughter.
- the two cots stand in the middle of the bedroom, making the movements of an adult rather difficult.



- no bed sheets in the cots, only the mattresses; twins were taken out with sheets and everything, only woke up when they were taken into another apartment.
- analysis of photographs of the living room: the sofa beneath one of the side windows is not in position, and the curtains of the window are pulled shut but rolled up and distorted.



- the father would end up giving an explanation for the sofa’s position. the sofa was normally not pushed against the wall, but he pushed it against the wall because the children used to throw toys into the space behind the sofa while playing.
- sofa may have played crucial role in the accident theory. if sofa was not pushed against the wall, M could have tried to access the window and fell between the sofa and the wall.
- a digital camera is visible on the living room table, the investigators remark that they need the photos from that camera; they want to know what happened during the dinner, who sat where, what was eaten, what was drunk, who was close, what they were wearing, every detail.
- the father dropped to his knees in front of the GNR officers when they arrived, made no sense as he is always under control - possibly to contaminate his trousers?
- in the couple’s bedroom, two beds are pushed together, a wide empty space between them and the wardrobe. one of the beds is made: nobody slept there.



- empty space was apparently for one of the cots.
- possible conclusions: the couple used to sleep in their bedroom with the twins, and M in the other bedroom; the children started sleeping all together in the other bedroom at some point; the spare bed in the children’s bedroom had been slept in; only one person slept in the couple’s bedroom; did the mother stop sleeping with the father and started sleeping with the children?
- not one single medicine was found, only a box of band-aids.
(Thanks to Leo for posting this on Proboards.....The following information is summarized by Summer (no pun intended) from 'The Truth Of The Lie' by Gonçalo Amaral WITH KIND REQUEST TO BUY THE BOOK IF/WHEN IT COMES OUT IN ENGLISH)

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En verder een snipper uit de online krant Portugal Resident
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MADELEINE: Police should search for body said British expert

A SUMMARY by police in February 2008 reveals, for the first time, that there were only two possible causes, in their opinion, that could account for the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The report, written on February 5 by investigators, concludes that by analysing the evidence up to that point, police felt that Madeleine was kidnapped or killed, either accidentally or deliberately, and continues to give detailed reasons as to why these conclusions have been drawn.

The possibility of kidnap is taken from evidence including the statement made by Kate describing windows in the apartment being open that were not open earlier.

The testimony by Jane Tanner is also taken into account and her statement describing an individual carrying a child in their arms at 9.15pm adds to this theory. Police files reveal that the alternative explanation for Madeleine’s disappearance is that she died in the apartment and her body was then removed.

The summary states that the specialist British police dog, Eddie, detected the smell of a dead body in the apartment near the window and behind the sofa.

The dog also detected signs of a body in the Renault car hired by the McCanns and in other areas in and around the apartment used by the McCanns. Keela, the dog used to detect the smell of human blood, is reported in the files as finding the smell of blood in the sitting room of the apartment, adding to the suspicions by the police that Madeleine died in the apartment.

At no point in the summary is anyone specifically accused of killing or kidnapping Madeleine.

In July 2007 Mark Harrison MBE of the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) made a report to the Portuguese police stating that in his opinion: “Police have concentrated on finding Madeleine alive, they now need to start to consider other options and the possibility that she has been killed and her body hidden.”

Mark Harrison assessed the Portuguese investigation between May and July and recommended that areas should be searched again but using dogs that detect blood and dead bodies.
Het blijft mij verbazen dat er IMO belangrijke sporen (door honden) opgespoord in augustus door die snuffelhonden Eddie en Keela, zijn gemanipuleerd en naderhand door het wereldberoemde Engelse lab FSS (middels door o.a. Low Copy Number, uitleg) op z'n minst één belangrijk stukje DNA-materiaal is vernietigd tijdens het testen. Amaral, in z'n boek en in interviews, meldt dat dit stukje op verzoek nooit meer terug is gekomen...Iets uitgebreider in een artikel uit een eerdere post, onderaan.

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Uit de files, hier gepubliceerd, die site plaatst het meest interessante uit de 30,000 pages to the case file, of which only 11,000 are open to the press. Ik heb zelf deze snipper uit de verklaring van Gerry (de dag na de vermissing dd 4-5-2207) er uit gepikt:
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"Between April 29th, the day of arrival, and the time when MADELEINE disappeared, the interviewee reports having noticed nothing unusual, except that on the morning of May 3rd, MADELEINE asked her father, GERALD, why he had not come into the room when the twins were crying. The interviewee had heard nothing and had not gone into the room. It was the first time that MADELEINE had made that kind of comment."
Merkwaardig dat in de meeste kranten men het over Madeleine heeft die aan haar moeder Kate (en dus niet aan Gerry zoals hij zelf verklaard) vraagt waarom ze niet kwam kijken toen ze lagen te huilen, en dat laatste klopt ook niet, Madeleine zegt dat de twins lagen te huilen. Het zou best kunnen kloppen dat Madeleine Daddy heeft geroepen want wat verklaarde buurvouw van het naast gelegen apartement: "Widow Mrs Fenn told police that two nights before Madeleine went missing she heard a little girl in the apartment crying for over an hour.She said the toddler, who is believed to have been Madeleine, was crying "Daddy, daddy" constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm." McCannfiles.com. Madeleine had kennelijk geen band met haar moeder, maar dat is te pijnlijk openbaar te maken, dus wordt Kate expres naar voren geschoven.
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* "Madeleine McCann complained to her mother after she was left crying and alone on the night before she disappeared, leaked police documents have disclosed." The little girl, then aged three, spoke to Kate McCann at breakfast the following morning and said: "Mummy, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?" telegraph

* “Mummy,” she said, “Why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?” Kate said later: “Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children” The Sun

* "Mrs McCann told police: "While we were having breakfast, Madeleine said, 'Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?' "Gerry and I spoke for a couple of minutes and agreed to keep a closer watch over the children." But, just hours later, the McCanns left the three alone in their unlocked holiday apartment to have dinner with friends. Daily Mail

* The film also captures the couple's disgust as their statements to Portuguese police were leaked on the day they went to Brussels to campaign for a Europeanwide missing child alert system. The leak revealed that on the morning of May 3, the day Madeleine vanished, she asked Kate: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?" The Mirror

* "It was sort of fairly early in the morning, she just very casually really said, 'Where were you last night when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know, 'When was this Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' … and she didn't answer and I said, 'When was this Madeleine?' and then she just carried on playing whatever she was doing totally undistressed." ABCnews
En verder nog dit artikel: Clarence Mitchell: how I met Gerry and Kate McCann En op McCannfiles veel support-artikelen, halverwege ongeveer, echt verschrikkelijk....

En een snipper die weergeeft hoe Gerry McCann de vermissing vergeleek, uit een eerdere post: "Gerry: "if all three of the children had been taken it could have been even worse than your worst nightmare and we've got to be strong for them." En hoe het voelde in het begin: "The analogy that I like to use is a bit like when we were students and you'd got to your overdraft limit and you'd gone beyond it and there was just nothing left in the tank." Echt waar, geuit in een interview met Sky News Mei 25, 2007." Dat we dat nog maar weer ff weten...

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OMG, die analogie . En het even met elkaar overleggen of je je kinderen wat beter in de gaten moet houden, wellicht
Het wordt met elke onthulling pijnlijker allemaal. Ik krijg trouwens naar aanleiding van het interview met Amaral ook het idee dat er vanuit Portugal het een en ander in een doofpot is gestopt.
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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OMG, die analogie . En het even met elkaar overleggen of je je kinderen wat beter in de gaten moet houden, wellicht
Het wordt met elke onthulling pijnlijker allemaal. Ik krijg trouwens naar aanleiding van het interview met Amaral ook het idee dat er vanuit Portugal het een en ander in een doofpot is gestopt.
Hoi Livelink , ja erg he, Ik kwam deze quote tegen toen ik wat opzocht, en dan is het weer verpletterend om te lezen hoe Gerry McCann, vlak na de vermssing, dit drama beschrijft/vergelijkt. Wat betreft Amaral. Ik heb nog voor dat interview al eens geschreven dat ik het eigelijk niet begrijp dat Portugal zich zo heeft laten inpakken door de UK. Niets kon, niets van belang werd teruggeven (stukje DNA-materiaal), alleen maar tegenwerking van alle partijen inclusief de Britse overheid, en ongelofelijk smear in de Britse pers < nog steeds. Je zou haast gaan denken dat in de hogere regionen van de Portugese politie chantabele figuren zitten, een ergerlijke gedachte mijnerzijds. Alhoewel de toeristische industrie enorm belangrijk is, met name de Algarve is zeer geliefd bij de Britten, kan dat toch niet dé reden zijn om als marionetten te handelen. Wél was de ondertekening (in december) van het Lissabon Verdrag zeer belangrijk voor Portugal, daarvoor heeft PM Gordon Brown nog met de Portugese PM over de McCanns gesproken. Algemeen wordt aangenomen dat toen de duimschroeven zijn aangedraaid door Brown. Deze laatste heeft het nog gepresteerd 2 uur later te verschijnen en kwam dus te laat voor de fofoshoot met alle PM's, een historisch gebeuren die nu verkloot is door Brown, een vette snub richting Portugal. Iets wat ik eerder heb gepost > in december en later > hier.

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En dan nu de getuigenverklaring van Jane Tanner, gegeven een na dag na de vermissing van Madeleine, dd 4-5-2007. Let wel, dat is dus 'haar' waarheid en opgeschreven middels een vertaler op het politiebureau. Met dank weer aan mccannfiles
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Jane Tanner's interview on 04 May 2007
As with Gerry McCann's interview, a translator was called for. This time, the, "sworn," interpreter was Filipa Maria. It is important to bear in mind that there is a different translator each time. This guarantees objectivity in the translation, the translator not being influenced by the translation of the previous person. The interview begins at 11.30am on May 4th 2007.

I have been in Portugal since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, at the Ocean Club tourist resort, with my partner (Russell O'Brien), my two children and three couples of friends (Gerald McCann, Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly, David and Fiona Payne as well as Fiona Payne's mother, Diane Webster). We are with our children, Ella O'Brien, aged 3 years and Evie O'Brien, aged one year.

The other couples have also come with their children, Grace Oldfield, aged one year (daughter of Matthew Oldfield and Rachael Manpilly), Lily Payne, aged two years and Scarlett Payne, aged eleven months (children of David and Fiona Payne). The twins, Sean and Amélie McCann, aged two years and Madeleine Beth McCann who will celebrate her birthday during the holiday week. (Children of Gerald McCann and Kate Healy)


The interviewee and her partner are on holiday with the other couples, having organised the trip from England, where they are friends. They traveled with the, "Mark Warner," agency. All the couples have individual apartments in the same complex, with their respective children.

Since Saturday, the habit has been to get up around 7.30/8am, then to have breakfast in a restaurant near the apartment, called the, "Millenium," (6) towards 9am, to drive the children to the, "Kids Club." (2)(4)(5), according to the ages of the children. Only Gerry and Kate have breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three children and it is complicated walking with the three at the same time. Then, they too drive their children to the, "Kids Club."

The Kid's Club

Ella O'Brien and Madeleine McCann are left in a place at the reception. (4) Responsible for them is an English lady named Cat Baker. Apart from her, there are three or four people to look after the children. (She no longer remembers the names apart from one: Emma Wilding). They do several activities like going to the indoor swimming pool in the complex, going to the tennis court which is outside near the, "Tapas," restaurant (3), going to the beach (outside), painting and going for walks in the complex.

Grace Oldfield, Evie O'Brien, Lily Payne, Amélie and Sean McCann are left at a third place (2) near the, "Tapas," restaurant. The supervisor for Gracie and Evie was an English citizen named Leanne Wagstaff. As for Lily, Amélie and Sean, the supervisor would be, but not certain, Stacey Portz. The activities were identical to the other places, outside and inside the complex.


The following section is a provisional translation, awaiting an improved version:

Around 12.30, they picked their children up from the rooms of the Kid’s Club where they were. The Kid’s Club closed for lunch. Sometimes, they all had lunch together in one of the apartments of the couples.

Around 2.30 PM the rooms of the “Kids Club” opened. Only Madeleine, Amélie, Sean and Ella went back. The other children stayed with their parents. Around 4.45PM, the children came together for tea in a room from the Tapas restaurant. Meanwhile their parents had their own occupations.

03 May 2007

Until then, JT hasn’t noticed anything out of the ordianary concerning the group of friends or the children. She didn’t attend breakfast as she had a tennis lesson scheduled for 9.00. Her partner had breakfast with both their children. Then he went to pick Ella O’Brien, and took them all to the Kid’s Club. Evie was probably unwell, for she did’nt go to the “Kids Club” that day. Kate Healy and Diane Webster arrived and waited for 30 mn, until the tennis lesson was over. Jane Tanner doesn’t know where the McCanns children had breakfast, but they were at the Kid’s Club, and Jane Tanner thinks their father took them there. During the tennis lesson, Kate Healy behaved in her usual manner. After her lesson, Jane Tanner went with her partner, O’Brien, and their daughter Evie, to the beach where they stayed until 12.20. Then they went to the Kid’s club to pick Ella. Jane Tanner doesn’t know what Kate Healy did after the tennis lesson, but around 10.00 she heard that Gerry was having a lesson from 10.10 to 11.10. Jane Tanner did not notice if Madeleine was still in the Kid’s Club when they went to pick Ella. They had lunch in their appartment with their 2 children and Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly and their daughter Grace until 1.45. At 2.00, Jane Tanner played tennis again, this time with Rachel Manpilly She remembers that while she was playing, she saw Kate Healy and Gerald McCann with their children on the playground by the tennis courts. Kate waved to her. The McCanns stayed there until 2.40 PM, when they took the children to the “Kids Club”.

At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie. Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing.

At 3.45, Jane Tanner went to the beach (Praia) with her daughter Evie, Rachael Manpilly, Diane Webster, Fiona Payne, Lily Payne and Scarlett Payne. Her husband Russell O’Brien came back from his sailing trip and went to fetch Ella at the “Kids Club”. They came to join the group at the beach until 6.10/6.15. On their way to the beach earlier, the group saw Gerald McCann and Kate Healy taking a private tennis lesson. Their children weren’t with them. Around 5.15, they saw Kate Healy passing on the beach, jogging.

Russel O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left the beach earlier for the “Men’s tennis night”. On their way back from the beach, the group saw them and Gerry McCann on the courts. They talked with them for about 20 minuts. Gerald McCann’s behaviour was his usual. Jane Tanner surmises Kate was in her apartment, putting the children to bed. Around 7.00 everyone went back to their appartments with their children. Jane Tanner gave a bath to her daughters, and read them a story to make them sleep. As Evie was sick and couldn’t fall asleep, she stayed with her father, who meanwhile, had come back home. Jane Tanner left around 8.30, to go to the Tapas restaurant.

On her arrival some of the grown ups from the group were already there, without any children. These were supposed to sleep. Around 9.00, her husband arrived, having successfully made their daughter sleep. Since David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster were late, the meal, ordered at 8.30, only started at 9.00, when the Payne family arrived. Normally, one person from each apartment went to the children’s bedrooms to see if everything was OK. Everything went well during the dinner. Everyone was in a good disposition. Jane Tanner remembers that around 9.10, Gerald McCann left the restaurant to go and see his children. Five minutes later, she also left, to check in her own apartment. She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British person named Jez whom he met during the holidays and with whom he played tennis. She passed them, knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked with his children.

Meanwhile, she noticed a man passing, with a child in his arms, walking fast. The child was in pyjamas, without a blanket, which attracted her attention. She only saw him from the side, exactly at the moment she passed Gerald and Jez. That person was coming from the pavement at the end of the apartment block. He quickly passed the crossing. The entrance to the building, where the apartments are, is exactly where she saw him. After checking on her children Jane Tanner went back to the Tapas. On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the street where she had seen him talking. On arriving to the restaurant, she saw him with his wife Kate Healy.

15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and Russell O’Brien went out to see their children.. As their daughter Evie wasn’t well and cried, Russell staid in the bedroom. Matthew checked on the children, Gerald and Kate’s included. According to him, he saw the twins, but wasn’t successful in seeing Madeleine. But as he didn’t hear any noise, he thought everything was fine and went back to the restaurant. Matthew told Jane Tanner that Russell stayed in the bedroom. She quickly ate the main course, and, worried, went into the bedroom so that her husband could eat in turn .

As she was in the bedroom, around 10, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona scream that Madeleine had disappeared. She doesn’t know if it was Kate who found out about the disappearance as she wasn’t in the restaurant then. All their evenings went the same way. It was normal for them to leave the table in turns. Madeleine Beth McCann was a good child, loving, busy, and fun. She loved playing, was intelligent and Jane Tanner doesn’t believe she would let an unknown person get near without screaming…

Description of the man seen by Jane Tanner:

Dark hair, man, between 35 and 40, thin, about 1.70 cms. Hair very dark, thick, not unkempt, but going down to the neck.(Seen from behind). He wore long trousers (like linen) beige colour, and a coat “Duffy” style (but lighter). Shoes black, classical type. Precipitated walk. He was carrying a child reclining on his two arms in front of his chest. He didn’t give her the feeling that he was a tourist.

She only saw the child’s legs. The child looked bigger than a baby, didn’t wear shoes, dressed with cotton pyjamas, of a light colour, maybe pink or white. She isn’t sure, but thinks she saw a pattern on the material, maybe flowers. She isn’t certain.

She claims she doesn’t know what Madeleine was wearing when she disappeared. She didn’t talk about it with anyone. As regards the man, she just said a word about him to Gerald and to the police. She is asked to help for a sketch which comes into the file. Being asked if she could identify the person, she says yes as long as she can see his profile, at the place where she saw him.

After reading the report, she persists, and signs.
In de BBC-docu (transscript) zei Jane Tanner over die pyama van dat kind: "JANE: Only because the pyjamas had a pinky aspect to them so you presume a girl. It was actually quite cold."

The Times: "When she was formally interviewed by police at 3am that night, Tanner realised that the pyjamas on the child she had seen were an exact match with Madeleine’s." Eerder hierboven: "light colour, maybe pink or white. She isn’t sure, but thinks she saw a pattern on the material, maybe flowers. She isn’t certain."

Ook uit de BBC-docu: "JANE: I went out to the front door of our apartment and then I saw Rachael came and said: "Oh Madeleine's gone!" So that was the first that I heard about it." In de bovengenoemde verklaring wordt Rachel niet genoemd die schreeuwde dat Madeleine weg was. Etc etc etc

Ik heb nergens gelezen in deze verklaring dat Jane Tanner daadwerkelijk die dag op 3 mei, Madeleine fysiek heeft waargenomen, dit stukje zegt ook niks: "Jane Tanner doesn’t know where the McCanns children had breakfast, but they were at the Kid’s Club, and Jane Tanner thinks their father took them there. During the tennis lesson, Kate Healy behaved in her usual manner. After her lesson, Jane Tanner went with her partner, O’Brien, and their daughter Evie, to the beach where they stayed until 12.20. Then they went to the Kid’s club to pick Ella. Jane Tanner doesn’t know what Kate Healy did after the tennis lesson, but around 10.00 she heard that Gerry was having a lesson from 10.10 to 11.10. Jane Tanner did not notice if Madeleine was still in the Kid’s Club when they went to pick Ella."

En dan dat zeil-uitje op die dag, kam me dat niet herinneren in eerdere artikelen, maar kan me vergissen: "At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her apartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie. Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing." Waren om 3.45 terug. Dat duurde ook niet lang dus...

Map of locations at the Ocean Club, referred to in Jane Tanner's statement



1 - Apartments (where all the couples are housed. The block consists of 3 or 4 floors with each floor about 6 apartments for a total of between 20 and 30 apartments)
2 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Grace, Evie, Lily, Amelie and Sean)
3 - "TAPAS" Restaurant
4 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Ella and Madeleine)
5 - "Kids Club" room (attended by Scarlett)
6 - "Millennium" Restaurant
7 - Praia Beach
8 - Tennis Courts

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Op vrijdag 22 augustus 2008 22:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
Madeleine, was crying "Daddy, daddy" constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm." McCannfiles.com. Madeleine had kennelijk geen band met haar moeder, maar dat is te pijnlijk openbaar te maken, dus wordt Kate expres naar voren geschoven.
Meisjes op die leeftijd adoreren hun vader en negeren toch ook vaak hun moeder ( kijk dus tevens even terug naar mijn eigen peuter/kleuter tijd)
Mijn moeder kon daar erg moeilijk mee omgaan daarom weet ik het zo goed
Kan mij voorstellen dat Kate dat ook niet als plezierig heeft ervaren.
Ik gilde vroeger zelf pappa pappa en als m'n moeder dan kwam dan gilde ik nog harder dat ZIJ weg moest gaan en dat PAPPA Moest komen .
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Meisjes op die leeftijd adoreren hun vader en negeren toch ook vaak hun moeder ( kijk dus tevens even terug naar mijn eigen peuter/kleuter tijd)
Mijn moeder kon daar erg moeilijk mee omgaan daarom weet ik het zo goed
Kan mij voorstellen dat Kate dat ook niet als plezierig heeft ervaren.
Ik gilde vroeger zelf pappa pappa en als m'n moeder dan kwam dan gilde ik nog harder dat ZIJ weg moest gaan en dat PAPPA Moest komen .
Tuurlijk snap ik dat, mij maakte het trouwens geen donder uit, áls er maar iemand kwam, meestal toch moeders... Maar waarom ik het plaatste was vooral het verschil qua Gerry's verklaring, Madeleine vroeg het aan daddy, en wat er uiteindelijk in de pers kwam, Madeleine vroeg het aan Mummy waarom ze niet kwam. Maar eigenlijk ben ik van mening dat Madeleine op 3 mei al niet meer onder ons was, dat hele verhaal is verzonnen (dat M nog leefde die dag) gespind verder door Clarence Mitchell door er Mummy van te maken, dat klinkt wat meer heartbreaking, en de lezer overtuigen dat M nog leefde, maar dat deut er nu ff niet teu....

Ik las net dit nog: Editor's note: the first names of the children of the group of friends are fictitious.

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Tjonge jonge, gaan we nu eens eindelijk iets onderzoeken???? Bijvoorbeeld de Daily Mail, wat betreft het aanstellen van die PI's uit Amerika. Nah, toch maar niet...
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Madeleine fund in chaos as private eyes are axed after draining £500,000 Daily Mail
By DANIEL BOFFEY and MILES GOSLETT Last updated at 10:14 PM on 23rd August 2008
A team of private investigators working behind the scenes to find Madeleine McCann has been axed after being paid £500,000 from publicly donated funds. The Find Madeleine Fund quietly engaged the services of a US-based company which was awarded the lucrative six-month contract earlier this year.

The company, Oakley International, which boasts former British security service and FBI contacts, was hired to monitor the Madeleine Hotline, carry out detective work and review CCTV footage of possible sightings of the missing girl around the world. A source revealed that the company had also spent resources in an attempt to infiltrate a paedophile ring in Belgium.

However, the company's contract will now not be renewed. The Mail on Sunday has learned that double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, who has been underwriting the fund's search for Madeleine, has conducted a review of the agency's work and has become unhappy with the progress it was making.

The deal was abruptly ended following a meeting last week after the fund brought in independent monitors to assess how the money was spent. The cost of employing the agency - run by a Briton, Kevin Halligen - has drained the Madeleine fund and there is now less than £500,000 left.

The development is likely to dismay the thousands who gave to the appeal, and raise questions about how the fund has been administered. Mr Kennedy, who owns Sale Sharks rugby club, was said to be 'angry' because he believed Oakley's bills, estimated to be more than £80,000 a month, were too much for the results they achieved.

A source said: 'There is a sense that they were meaning well but hadn't got as far as they should for the money involved. 'Brian Kennedy thought their work was far too pricey and wanted to know where the money was being spent. He wasn't satisfied with their answers and the contract was not renewed.

'Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, have been kept informed all along and agree with the decision. A lot of people were asking questions about where the money was being spent.' Oakley International won the contract after an introduction by another company, Red Defence International (RDI), based in Jermyn Street, Central London.

Listed as being involved with both companies was Mr Halligen, 47, a communications expert. He is given as the 'contact name' for Oakley International Group, a company registered in Washington DC as the manufacturer of search and navigation equipment. The company says it has annual sales of £33,000 and only one employee, who appears to be Mr Halligen.

The address given for the company is 2550 M Street NW Washington, which is the downtown office of Patton Boggs, one of the largest and most powerful law companies in America. A source at the law firm said last night that the lawyer who represented Mr Halligen was unavailable for comment.

RDI, formed in 2005, bills itself as 'an experienced provider of crisis prevention, management and expertise'. It claims to have a presence in Washington DC and Virginia and representation in the Middle East, Africa and Central America.

However, its latest set of accounts is two months overdue and it faces being fined by HM Revenue & Customs. Among the main players working on the McCann contract were Mr Halligen and Henri Exton, 57, who headed the Greater Manchester Police undercover unit until 1993. He then worked for the Government before moving into the private sector.

One day after a crisis meeting last week with the Madeleine fund administrators, Mr Halligen resigned as a director of RDI. Mr Exton, of Bury, Lancashire, has the Queen’s Police Medal and an OBE. During the Seventies and Eighties his work included uncovering organised crime rings and recruiting supergrasses.

He also infiltrated football gangs, at one stage becoming a leader of the Young Guvnors, who followed Manchester City, and was forced to take part in organised incidents to preserve his cover. Previously, the McCann fund had employed a Spanish detective agency called Metodo 3. However, the fund lost confidence in them, especially after they announced they would find Madeleine by last Christmas.

She had disappeared from the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007, nine days short of her fourth birthday. A spokesman for the McCanns said yesterday: 'Kate and Gerry, the fund and their backers have always sought to employ the very best people and resources in the ongoing search for Madeleine.

'Kate and Gerry, via the fund and the backers, continue to employ many such resources and it is true that Red Defence and Oakley were part of those resources. 'I simply will not comment on any personnel, financial or operational details whatsoever.'

No one could be reached for comment at Oakley International or Red Defence International. Mr Kennedy, estimated to be worth about £250million, became involved after being moved by the plight of the McCanns during the period they were made formal suspects – arguidos – in Madeleine's disappearance. Portuguese prosecutors dropped the couple's arguido status last month.

The 47-year-old made his money in double-glazing and home improvement ventures with companies including Everest windows. His Latium Group business empire has an annual turnover of about £400million.
Well, well...the thruth is coming out. En wederom heeft/geeft het team McCann geen commentaar...



Tijd om een nieuwe campagne te starten? Money makes the world go round, en wie hebben we hier....yes, Angelina Jolie (sad cow IMO), ook goed als een ingang om de US te 'veroveren'....
Jolie's support to Maddie mum Daily Star NEW mum-of-twins Angelina Jolie wants to set up a meeting with the mother of missing Madeleine McCann. The nightmare of Kate and her husband Gerry was brought home to the Hollywood star while shooting her new movie Changeling." Zelf verder lezen....

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Waar zijn die McCanns toch in vredesnaam mee bezig? Dat vraag ik me steeds vaker af. Het lijkt wel alsof ze alleen bezig zijn om hun invloedrijke vrienden maar vooral te laten geloven dat ze onschuldig zijn. Wat zou er in vredesnaam gebeuren als zou blijken dat de McCanns wel degelijk verantwoordelijk zouden zijn voor de dood van Madeleine? Dan zouden een hoop mensen zich enorm belazerd voelen. Zou niemand van al die celebrities, geldschieters, politici en dergelijke zich niet afvragen of de McCanns hun support en geld nou waard zijn? Los of ze direct verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine, het zijn toch niet echt modelouders gebleken.

Over Oprah Winfrey hoor ik trouwens niks meer. Wellicht toch te bang voor een kritisch interview
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Goedemorgen Suko

Waar zijn die McCanns toch in vredesnaam mee bezig? Dat vraag ik me steeds vaker af. Het lijkt wel alsof ze alleen bezig zijn om hun invloedrijke vrienden maar vooral te laten geloven dat ze onschuldig zijn. Wat zou er in vredesnaam gebeuren als zou blijken dat de McCanns wel degelijk verantwoordelijk zouden zijn voor de dood van Madeleine? Dan zouden een hoop mensen zich enorm belazerd voelen. Zou niemand van al die celebrities, geldschieters, politici en dergelijke zich niet afvragen of de McCanns hun support en geld nou waard zijn? Los of ze direct verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine, het zijn toch niet echt modelouders gebleken.

Over Oprah Winfrey hoor ik trouwens niks meer. Wellicht toch te bang voor een kritisch interview
Middag Livelink . Tja, ze zijn zo slim geweest iedereen die iets betekent vanaf het begin er bij te betrekken (daarom denken veel mensen dat dit alles is gepland). wie kunnen er nu nog met goed fatsoen zich terug trekken zou je denken, alhoewel geldschieterd Branson vorig jaar oktober de geldstroom heeft gestopt. Britse politici aan de top hebben mogelijk een andere agenda (something to hide...), zoals Amaral al schreef, het is geen zaak van de politie maar een politieke zaak. Hij wist gewoon teveel en is 2 uur na een telefoontje van PM Fordon Brown ontslagen. Ook het Portugese justitie-apparaat kende tijdens dit onderzoek vele wisselingen....

Of ze nog bij Ophra Winfrey op de bank komen zitten betwijfel ik, mensen uit het nieuws worden niet betaald beweert ze. En mogelijk idd bang voor 'enge' vragen... Maar dan is kwebbeltante Barbara Walters nog een optie.

Wat het bericht betreft uit de Daily Mail over die PI's uit de US en nu ontslagen, toch merkwaardig dat dit £500.000 nu al geeft gekost, "The Find Madeleine Fund quietly engaged the services of a US-based company which was awarded the lucrative six-month contract earlier this year." Dus het bericht uit de telegraph op 13 aug. j.l. klopt niet? "Madeleine McCann's parents have hired a US private investigator firm made up of former CIA and FBI agents and special forces veterans as part of a renewed push to find their missing daughter, it was reported."

Wat een b*ll allemaal, ze waren dus al veel eerder ingehuurd en imo vlak nadat het contract van Metodo 3 afliep in het voorjaar. Hoogst waarschijnlijk was het niet duidelijk wat en waar men moest 'zoeken' aangezien er niks te zoeken valt. De vrijgegeven files met sightings (die allemaal allang zijn nagetrokken) zijn natuurlijk niet echt bedoelt om te zoeken maar om Madeleine levend én in het nieuws te houden, én getuigen opnieuw te bezoeken+stil te houden. Waren deze PI's in conflict met de McCanns? Kregen ze iets door, wilden hun handen niet branden? Tenslotte denkt de PJ in het eindrapport dat Madeleine niet meer leeft en zijn er geen bewijzen van een ontvoering, tja....Merkwaardig ook dat in de Daily Mail de beslissing aan rijke stinkerd Brian Kennedy wordt toegeschreven, hij is toch alleen een board-member van het fonds en staat er garant voor, werkgever van Clarence Mitchell en Metodo 3 < die hebben ook verklaard dat ze niet dienst waren van de McCanns maar bij Brian Kennedy. Wat heeft die man allemaal te vertellen en mogelijk te verbergen en ook wíe betaald wát, dat blijft zeer vaag, wat misschien ook de bedoeling is.

Maar goed, hou in het hoofd dat dit mogelijk onderdeel van spin is, afleiden van aandacht, beetje slecht nieuws waarbij de McCanns mogelijk niet echt de regie hebben, doet ff vergeten wat er nu door de vrijgegeven files naar buiten komt en mogelijk nog meer als met een week de files (althans een groot deel) helemaal openbaar worden. A little scared team McCann????

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Zou het desbetreffende onderzoeksteam wellicht informatie gevonden hebben die niet helemaal gunstig was voor de McCanns? Een goed onderzoeksteam moet toch alle opties onderzoeken, dus ook de mogelijkheid dat de ouders zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van hun kind. Dat lijkt me wel een stunt, een bureau dat ingehuurd is en betaald door de McCanns, dat ineens het onomstotelijke bewijs vindt dat de McCanns zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine
Als je goed om je heen kijkt zie je dat alles gekleurd is.
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Op zondag 24 augustus 2008 22:24 schreef livelink het volgende:
Zou het desbetreffende onderzoeksteam wellicht informatie gevonden hebben die niet helemaal gunstig was voor de McCanns? Een goed onderzoeksteam moet toch alle opties onderzoeken, dus ook de mogelijkheid dat de ouders zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van hun kind. Dat lijkt me wel een stunt, een bureau dat ingehuurd is en betaald door de McCanns, dat ineens het onomstotelijke bewijs vindt dat de McCanns zelf verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Madeleine
En daar zou je wel eens helemaal gelijk in kunnen hebben, iets wat ik al in die richting opperde. Willen mogelijk geen handen branden, worden niet echt ingezet om te zoeken etc etc. Zouden ze echt wat ontdekt hebben?! En wat die gelden in het fonds betreft, niemand weet exact hoeveel er inzit, wat en waaraan iets is besteed, af en toe laat Mitchell wat los, maar die wordt door niemand meer serieus genomen. Zou zomaar kunnen dat die genoemde bedragen aan die PI's niet kloppen, tenslotte kreeg Metodo 3 ook minder als eerst was bericht, mogelijk krijgen de McCanns daar een deel van...dat is voorlopig niet te checken, de stouterds!....
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In een google-vertaling schrijft sosmaddie/be dat de Belgische politie van niets weet dat één van die ingehuurde detectives zou zijn ge-infiltreerd in een pedo-netwerk...maar ja, dat wisten we eigenlijk al wel...Wat de Daily Mail eerder schreef: "A source revealed that the company had also spent resources in an attempt to infiltrate a paedophile ring in Belgium."
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Detective McCann infiltrates network of pedophile 24.08.2008

"There are not 36 ways to infiltrate a network pedophile…There are only two: either you are a victim or you're executioner," said a spokesman for the Belgian Federal Police last night confronted with the advanced information by the British media of a detectives engaged in the service of Kate and Gerry McCann have infiltrated a network of paedophilia in Belgium.

According to British media, citing a source close to the McCann family, one of the detectives agency Oakley International allegedly used some of the 600,000 euros paid by the Find Madeleine Fund in its efforts to infiltrate a network of paedophilia in Belgium.

"We are not aware of the existence of a pedophile network, especially with the characteristics that the British media have alleged. In Belgium, unfortunately, we paedophiles, the same way they exist in the United Kingdom where, I think, their number and importance is far greater than ours, "said the same officer, stressing that" Belgium is known for the case of Dutroux, but we must not forget that the English had Ian Huntley.”In this case, if the detectives of McCann supposed to have infiltrated a network or approached by paedophiles in Belgium, why have not t'ils informed the competent authorities? "

According to the latest information, Oakley International, a supposed detective agency, is no longer serving McCann, after six months of a relationship that has produced any results, but would couté 600,000 euros responsible design by Kate and Gerry McCann after the disappearance of Madeleine.

After the Spaniards of Metodo 3, Oakley International, allegedly composed of former officers of British and American intelligence, was supposed to maintain a hotline for McCann, investigating several leads and analyze images of any new evidence about Madeleine.
to follow ...Duarte Levy et Paulo Reis Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
Ian Huntley, bekend van die moord op 2 meisjes, Soham murders (2002) Pikant detail, vandaag een rel in de UK, Moira (Myra) Hindley's afbeelding was (portret gemaakt van uitgeprinte kinderhandjes) te zien in een Londen-promo-filmpje in Peking: "Samen met haar vriend, Ian Brady, maakte zij zich schuldig aan het kidnappen, seksueel misbruiken, martelen en vermoorden van een aantal kinderen." Bron Die promo werd al langer vertoond, niemand zei er eerder wat van, opmerkelijk.

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En dan nu de verklaring van vriend en Tapas-genoot, Mike Oldfield, dd 4-5-2007. Ik heb op deze site de opmerkingen overgenomen (Tony Bennett) die er vetgedrukt tussen staan, de tekst zelf is van mccannfiles.com waar alle verklaringen zijn te lezen en nog worden geplaatst:
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Matthew Oldfield's interview on 04 May 2007 The interview begins at 11h30 on 04/05/08. It is made in the presence of inspector Patricia D.

As with previous statements, the interviewee having no command of the Portuguese language, an interpreter was requested.

It is Angela F.M. and as with all previous statements, the interview was read over and its contents explained. After having shown his agreement with his statements, the interviewee confirmed and signed as accurate, the deed that followed, conjointly with the, "sworn," interpreter. This was normal procedure since the start of the interviews.

In signing, the interpreter commits herself legally concerning the accuracy of her translation.

On the subject, the interviewee says:

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: Scarlett and Lily) Russell and Jane (children Evie and Ella) Rachael (daughter Grace) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago. That since they arrived in Portugal, until last night, the days were all the same. In the morning, the group woke between 06h30 and 08h00 and that they all went on foot to the, "Millennium," around 10 minutes from the complex. That only Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three very small children.

That after breakfast, the children were left at the "Kids Club" of the complex. Madeleine and Ella go to the mini-club for their age and the other children go to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the habit was to meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group to have lunch there with the children. In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. The other adults do sporting activities within the complex. After their afternoon sleep, the children return to the "Kids Club."

REPLY: Hmmm. So, 12.30pm, back for some lunch in one of their apartments, then they all leave to play sport, leaving one adult in charge of 8 children. He doesn't say if they all the adults come back just beofre 2.30pm to take the children back to the mini-club/Kid's Club for the afternoon session. Also, Gerry McCann's 'last photo' of Madeleine and Sean with Gerry by the pool is not conisistent with what Matthew Oldfield says here. According to him, the children would all be having a nap before 2.30pm and then their parents (presumably) would take them all down to the kids' clubs.

That around 16h45, the children eat at the "Tapas," restaurant inside the tourist complex.

REPLY: I assume the Paraiso is 'The Tapas restaurant'? So, dinner at the Tapas say 5pm to 6pm/6.30pm, then playing in the playground for another hour or so. Again, only one adult in charge of all 8 children?

After eating, the children went to play in a playground in the complex, supervised by adults. At around 8pm, the children went to sleep and at around 20h30, the adults went to dinner at the "Tapas" restaurant. While they were eating, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments without the constant supervision of an adult. The interviewee adds that, as the restaurant is around 1 minute from the apartments, randomly, an adult would be going frequently to check on the children in the apartments.

How the evening progressed

The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them.

REPLY: Hmmm. He does not mention the fact that neither the McCanns nor their three children were in the 'Tapas restaurant' that evening, as the photos revealed in the News of the World made clear. The McCanns' cover stories for what they were doing at this time appear to be (1) we were all having 'high tea' with the nanny Charlotte Pennington 'somewhere near the Tapas bar' [actual place not stated] at around 5pm to 6pm or (2) in Gerry McCann's case: 'I was playing tennis...or rather I was 'hanging around the tennis courts as I could not play any longer because of my Achilles tendon'.

The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 21h00.

That around 21h05, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine.

REPLY: Matthew Oldfield repeats the time line that Russell O'Brien was busily writing down on a scrap of paper [or, as we read elsewhere, on the torn-off cover from one of Madeleine's books]. Russell O'Brien has committed himself to a 'check' at around 9.00pm. He doesn't go into the apartment, and says the shutters are shut.

That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

REPLY: How does Matthew Oldfield know 'the apartment was rather dark'? At some stage, Gerry McCann must have told him. He would hardly have passed this remark on the night on returning to the Tapas bar. He wouldn't have said: "Guess what, Matt, the apartment was rather dark when I checked". No, Matthew Oldfield has been told this by Gerry McCann later - as they are comparing notes and working out what to tell the police. The same goes for the statement that the bedroom door was ajar - again, not something he would casually mention to Oldfield on returning to the Tapas bar. Of course, Gerry was not back at the Tapas bar 'after 5 minutes'. According to Gerry McCann's own testimony, it was '15-20 minutes'. In addition, no explanation whatsoever is offered as to what Matthew Oldfield was doing checking the apartment at 9.05pm when Gerry McCann says this is the precise time he set off to do his check.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.

That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all nights) one of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping. That normally this checking was done inside the apartments (Visual checking), but that, to be honest, sometimes this checking was only done from the outside, near the bedroom windows (Auditory checking).

REPLY: The '15 minutes' was no doubt said by Oldfield before the 'Tapas 9' all agreed to say that the checking was 'every half hour'. Also, he is quoted as saying: "One of the grown ups went to the bedrooms to see if the children were asleep". This is quite clear. One grown up went (singular), to check on the bedrooms (plural) to see if the children (plural) were asleep. It seems as though he is giving the clear impression here that one of the group went to check on all apartments. Yet Dianne Webster has been repeatedly quoted as saying that 'each couple was responsible for their own checking'.

As normal, dinner began at 21h30.

At around 21h25, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the bedroom quarters, that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

REPLY: So many questions about this. So he entered the flat? Well, why didn't he at 9.05pm? Did Gerry McCann give him a key? - presumably not, as Oldfield tells us later that he ewalked in through an unlocked door. Through which door did he enter? Did he make sure the doors were locked when he left? How come Matthew Oldfield suddenly started checking on more than one apartment? Why did he check when Gerry had presumably reported back at 9.25pm that the kids were O.K.? And why does he suddenly remember making a check at 9.30pm when Russell O'Brien's carefully-written timeline, handed to police earlier, makes no mention whatsoever of a 9.30pm check by him?

Then we have what seems IMO to be a blatant and not-too-subtle attempt to create the scenario of the abductor having stolen Madeleine before his check at 9.30pm. For this to work, Matthew Oldfield asks us and the police to accept that:
1. He did 2 checks in the space of 25 minutes when Russell O'Brien's note says he did only one
2. He did not enter the apartment on the first of his two visits but apparently did on the second visit
3. He checked moreorless the same time as Gerry McCann did at around 9.05pm
4. He checked again at 9.30pm just 5 minutes after Gerry McCann returned from talking to Jeremy Wilkins
5. He entered the children's room and remembers seeing the twins asleep but not Madeleine
6. He 'thinks' the apartment was 'somewhat lighter' from artificial light outside
7. He 'thinks' the shutters were open but is not sure.
He is asking us to believe rather a lot.


The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.
He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked in so far as that door is visible from the restaurant.

REPLY: Destroying the McCanns' initial claim that their doors were locked.

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK.

REPLY: All went in? All 9 adults? His account differs in one important respect from that of Charlotte Pennington, who is certain the twins were not in their cots - and she also says she was the 'first to arrive' there - ahead of the 'Tapas 9'. In her statement, she says that she assumed that friends of the McCanns had moved the twins to the apartment of one of their friends.

That there was no signs of a burglary in the apartment. Only, one window in the children's bedroom was open. The window and the shutters were open.

That during the holiday, and notably during the day yesterday and during dinner, nothing appeared unusual to the interviewee. That there wasn't the slightest change in the behaviour of any of the group, notably in that of Kate or Gerry and their respective children.

Question: And outside the group?

No, there was nothing unusual and he knows of nothing special happening. That the tourist complex was quiet and that nothing unusual happened there. That during the day the children were under the supervision of the Kids Club's staff. That he doesn't know if Madeleine was suffering from any illness or if she was taking medication. That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert. Madeleine's parents are both very friendly, communicative, happy and sensible. That the couple have an excellent relationship with their children, not making any difference in the treatment of each. That the three children were very much wanted by the couple, all three being the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

REPLY: IMO this is a totally fabricated statement, with many contradictions between his account and those of others, and many unexplained answers and important details left out. Oldfield invented much of this statement in order to enhance the probability of the abduction theory taking hold. IMO he knows fine well what has become of Madeleine
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Ja ja, The Times bericht over een vermoord meisje in Israel, Rose, een meisje van 4 jr: "Rose, the little girl with haunted blue eyes and ashy blonde hair has been called the Israeli Madeleine McCann. Her photographs have filled local newspapers while the details of her family's past have scandalised the Israeli public." Maybe The Times should look into the backgrounds of the McCanns and Madeleine, or did you already know (for a long time) and keep it under wraps????? Or is this article a hidden message...

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Ach, wie en wat hebben we daar...Kate McCann, de 'moeder' van Madeleine. Wat heeft zij verklaard op 4 mei 2007, de dag na de 'vermissing.'
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Kate McCann's interview on 04 May 2007 Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

Kate's interview took place on the day after Madeleine's disappearance, 04/05/07 at 14h20.

On the subject of the proceedings:

The interviewee was heard as a victim, being the mother of the minor. Of British nationality, she has no command of the Portuguese language, spoken or written. Thus, the interview was done in the presence of an interpreter: Natalia C.F. de A. The interviewee says she has been married to Gerald since December 1998. She has never been to Portugal before. The trip came at the suggestion of friends, who convinced them, at the end of last year, to spend their holiday in Portugal. The trip was organised by David Payne, who made the Praia da Luz Ocean Club reservation on the Internet for the interviewee and her husband, as well as for the rest of the group, a total of 9 adults and eight children, including her daughter Madeleine. She has known some members of the group since the year 2000 and others for a year. She was a colleague of David's wife.

They travelled in two separate groups. One of the groups was composed of the interviewee, her husband Gerald, their three children, David and his wife, the mother-in-law and their two children. One of the groups left from Leicestershire and the other from London.

The meeting point was the Ocean Club where the interviewee's group arrived on Saturday April 28th at around 15h00 from Faro airport in an airport mini bus. The other group arrived on the same day, late morning.

After checking in, the interviewee and her family were placed in apartment G5A. The nuclear family comprises the interviewee, her husband, her daughter Madeleine and twins, Sean and Amelie, aged 2 years.

The apartment has two beds in one bedroom, and two in another where there are also two cots on loan from the Ocean Club.

The interviewee and her husband sleep in one bedroom and the three children in the other. The twins sleep in cots, Madeleine in a normal bed, the other bed staying empty.

Between the day of the arrival, April 28th, and the time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered, the interviewee says that she noticed nothing unusual. She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying. The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She ignored her daughter's words because it was the first time she had talked about it.

The routines

The day after their arrival, they went for breakfast at around 07h30/08h30 at the Ocean Club, in a bar situated some distance from the apartment. On the following days, because the bar was quite far away, they started buying supplies from the "BAPTISTE" supermarket, located on the same road as the apartment and they had their first meal of the day in the apartment.

After breakfast, at around 09h00/09h30, the children went to the club called the "KIDS CLUB" where they did various activities such as painting, collage etc. They stayed there until around 12h30, constantly supervised by several Ocean Club employees in a ratio of three children to one employee. Within the "Kids Club" because of the difference in ages, the twins were in one group and Madeleine in another, with separate activities.

At 12h30, they (Kate and Gerry McCann) collect their children and have lunch in their apartment since they have provisions. After lunch, at around 13h30, the children spend time close to the club's swimming pool, supervised by the parents, for about 45 minutes, where they play and have sun cream applied. After this time, they take the children to the "Kids Club" until around 17h00/17h30, the time when the children eat in a bar under the watchful gaze of the parents. After the 17h00 dinner, they give the children a bath, prepare them for the night and let them play for a while in a playground next to the tennis courts, still and always under parental supervision. At around 20h00, the children are put to bed until the following morning when the described routines start all over again. While the children are at the "Kids Club," the interviewee played tennis with her husband, went for walks, read or went "Jogging."

Thursday May 3rd 2007

Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 19h30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 20h30. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 20h30, the interviewee and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. As usual, every half hour, and given that the building is very close, the interviewee and her husband went to make sure the children were OK. Thus, at around 21h00, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were OK, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband said that the children were doing well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, a person who has two children. At the same time, one of the group of friends, Russell, went to see his children, without checking on the interviewee's children.

Around 21h30 was the time the interviewee should have gone to see her children, but her friend Matt (a member of the group) had just done a check in his apartment then gone to the interviewee's. He had gone into the apartment through a glass door at the side and once inside had not gone into the children's bedroom. He only looked through the door, and did not hear any noise. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

(Wat Gerry over de eerste check van Mike (Matt) meldt in zijn verklaring (mccannfiles) "He went into the room. He saw the twins and he checked if Madeleine was OK. Everything was normal, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual.Then MATT went back to the restaurant.) Lijkt me nogal een verschil, of iemand de kamer is ingegaan en de kids heeft gezien of alleen heeft staan luisteren aan de deur...wie liegt hier, Gerry of Kate...want Mike zelf meldt: "That around 21h05, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise.That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine.)

At around 22h00, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation, she verified that the twins were indeed in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.

Later, a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, said she saw, when she went to her apartment at around 21h15, about 50 metres away, on the perimeter road of the club, a long-haired person with a child in his arms, walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell you about that herself.

Concerning Madeleine, she is Caucasian, white, aged four years (12/05/2003) about 90cm tall. Very slim, dark blond hair; shoulder-length. Left eye blue-green same as the right, which has a brown spot. She has a small brown spot on the skin of her left leg as well as sunburn on her right forearm. She has no scars. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing pyjamas with white bottoms with a floral pattern. The short-sleeved top, mainly pink with a blue-grey pattern bearing the inscription, "EEYORE," an inscription which is also on one of the trouser legs. The pyjamas are "Marks and Spencer" brand.

Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger. She has no suspicions to talk about, finds no reason for this act, neither she nor her husband has enemies. She states that her daughter has no illnesses and is not on any medication.

Following a request from the inspector, she authorises a reading of the calls on her mobile phone. Apart from the Kids Club and the apartment, they only went once to the beach with Madeleine and the other children and only for a very short period of time, since the weather was changeable. They could only go to the beach between 13h30 and 15h00, the time when they went back to the club. At the beach, they only ate an ice cream then they went back to the apartment. Apart from that Madeleine went to the beach with the Kids Cub for an hour. The supervision and planning were the responsibility of the club. The interviewee and her husband were not present. She never noticed any strange behaviour during these recent days which could explain the disappearance. After having been shown the list of the Ocean Club's guests, she says she only knows the names of those of the group. Other than the child, nothing else has disappeared, neither clothes nor the child's jewellery. The interviewee did not have an intercom, unlike David and Fiona Payne who were able to hear crying or any kind of noise. She has nothing else to add. After having read the deed, she confirms it, ratifies it and signs it with the interpreter.
Deze site voegt het volgende toe: "Comment: First thing I notice here is that Kate's statement is at a different time to the previous ones detailed by Enfants Kidnappés. Both Jane Tanner's and Matthew Oldfield's took place at the same time in the morning of May 4th 2007, but Kate's was in the afternoon, giving ample time to confer with those who had already been interviewed?"

Zou inderdaad zomaar kunnen dat Kate tijd heeft gehad om te overleggen met Gerry, Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield die allebei 's morgens zijn gehoord en Kate 's middags 14h20. Tenslotte werd ze gehoord als slachtoffer en niet als mogelijke dader of wat dan ook, iedereen was nog vrijj om te gaan en te praten (overleggen?) met wie dan ook. Gerry gehoord om 11h15, Jane Tanner en Mike Oldfield om 11h30. Verder valt op dat Kate veel hetzelfde meldt als Gerry, wat doet vermoeden dat er wel degelijk overleg is geweest. Bekend is dat ze 's nachts op de kaften van de kinderboeken hebben zitten schrijven. Uit een eerdere post. De PJ meent: "The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner."

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Nog even terugkomend op Kate's statement en ook Gerry verklaarde dat eerder: "The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities."

Met andere woorden, wel degelijk hebben velen het apartement betreden en alles doorzocht, daarmee zijn belangrijke bewijzen/sporen verloren/besmet geraakt, als dokters hadden ze dat moeten weten en hoogst waarschijnlijk is dat dan ook doelbewust gedaan. Maar wat zei Gerry in de BBC-docu in aug 2007: "There had been quite a few people in the apartment but not into the bedroom, that was limited to myself, Kate, I think two of our friends, the two GNR officers and I think a translator. I was certainly saying to people: "Stay out of the room." There was no sealing off of the room and should we?" Bollocks! De hele zooi was ook verschoven zoals Amaral in zijn boek beschrijft.

Ik weet 't, niet alles is even interessant wat ik aan verklaringen heb gepost en zal voortzetten indien nodig, maar ik doe het mede omdat de Britse pers verdomd ook maar iets uit deze voor de pers vrijgegeven files te publiceren. Zo komen ook deze verklaringen naar boven als iemand zoekt via Google of zo. Spread the truth because the British press won't/don't...

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Gelezen op mccannfiles.com:
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Press Release from FindMadeleine website, 26 August 2008

Date Released: 26/08/2008

In the light of articles in some UK Sunday newspapers this weekend, we feel it is appropriate to comment briefly on our relationship with the investigation company Oakley International.

We appointed them several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine."
Die kat van de McCanns naar deze kranten lijkt me pijnlijk, want die publiceerden toch alles wat Mitchell meende te moeten afscheiden. Die several months ago was dus in mei, vlak nadat werd gevierd dat Madeleine een jaar wordt vermist. Het contract is voor 6 maanden zoals verschillende kranten hebben gemeld. Een woordvoerder schrijft in de telegraph 24/8: "Their contract is continuing for the immediate future and will be reviewed when it ends, as you would expect. We will not be comment on the detail of any personnel, financial or operational arrangements."

En de Daily Mail 23/8: "A source said: 'There is a sense that they were meaning well but hadn't got as far as they should for the money involved. 'Brian Kennedy thought their work was far too pricey and wanted to know where the money was being spent. He wasn't satisfied with their answers and the contract was not renewed."

Dat nieuws op de site van McCanns doet de wenkbrouwen fronsen. Doen die PI's nu opeens hun werk wel goed? Of dreigt Oakley International uit de school te klappen en was de slechte publiciteit met deze mededeling op de McCann-site een goedmakertje?

Het merkwaardigst vind ik dat die berichtgeving dit weekend over Oakley International niet van Clarence Mitcell kwam, men had het in de kranten over een woordvoerder van de McCanns en dat de McCanns zelf een en ander verklaren op site. Is Mitchell van het voetlicht verdwenen???? Tenslotte is het volgende maand ook alweer een jaar geleden dat hij door Brian Kennedy werd ingehuurd. Of is hij naar de US om Angelina Joli op te vrijen, zij doet iets met vermiste kids in een film of zoiets en was getroffen door de situatie van de McCanns, zie de Daily Star Of toch de zak gekregen?

En verder denk ik dat er wat lucratieve dealtjes qua interviews met de McCanns op stapel staan, het fonds mot ook weer gevuld worden....Maar het zou ook zomaar lunnen dat men toch wat nerveus is, de vrijgegeven files voor de pers zijn nou niet bepaald McCann-vriendelijk te noemen. En volgende week openbaar voor het publiek. We zullen zien....

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  woensdag 27 augustus 2008 @ 12:04:06 #200
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Hey hoi hallo, , hoe is het hier? Ik heb een beetje bijlezen te doen geloof ik......
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