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Again, selling the news, selling Madeleine. Vertaald door Joana Morais
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Detectives become multimillionaires - Correio da Manhã

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: McCann couple pays 212 thousand euros per month

Criticizing the Polícia Judiciária’s work, the McCann couple understands that “the obtained documents have potential that may not close the case”


An English newspaper has struck a deal with the McCann couple, as a reply to the defamatory news about the latter, to participate in the payment of the fees of the detective team that tries to find Maddie. The detectives collect 166 thousand pounds (212 thousand euros) per month to carry out the searches, according to the ‘Sunday Times’, which omits the name of the newspaper and of the investigator firm.

The new team of private detectives has a multimillionaire salary, compared to the amount that was paid to the Spanish at Método 3. The company, which is directed by Francisco Marco, publicized that they received 60 thousand euros for six months of work. The coverage of expenses against the presentation of receipts earned them an additional 108 thousand euros.

The work of the private investigators is carried out based on the investigation that was done by the Polícia Judiciária, until the process was archived. With the purpose of finding Maddie alive, these experts dedicate great attention to the depositions by persons who assert that they saw little girls looking like Maddie in different locations of the world. In the observation of leads, the detectives have valued the possible connection between the alleged abduction and a Belgian paedophile network, which three days before the disappearance “ordered through the internet” a girl with Maddie’s characteristics. Just like the British police, the Portuguese authorities did not value the lead. Even the Child Protection Centre in the United Kingdom comments the information with some reservation.

Criticizing the performance of the Polícia Judiciária, the McCanns defend that the publicity of the process has given the searches a new impulse. “The documents possess great potential and some may allow for the case not to be closed”, their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, sustains.

Strong means

Donation fund – With the purpose of paying for a private investigation, Maddie’s parents have created a fund for the public to give money, right after the English girl’s disappearance.

Empty fund – The McCanns’ spokesman stated in June that the fund was not drained, and that 630 thousand euros were then available.

Another two million – In July, the fund was reinforced with two million euros of donations.
Zoals was te verwachten, eerdere post: "Men trekt mogelijk weer de beurs open om alle sightings/sporen na te gaan, en daar is weer veel geld voor nodig, nieuwe campagnes wellicht?" En natuurlijk deals met kranten, zoals blijkt...

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De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
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Belgium sighting is not Madeleine 34 minutes ago

A possible sighting of Madeleine McCann in Belgium has been ruled out, the Belgian authorities said. The father of a young blonde girl captured on CCTV in Brussels on August 4 came forward on Monday night to explain that his daughter was not the missing girl.

Lieve Pellens, spokeswoman for the Belgian federal prosecutor's office, said: "He saw this picture and obviously for him it was very easy recognising the girl accompanied by a woman in a veil." She added: "It's her nanny - she is a young Moroccan woman who is qualified to look after children and works in a care centre."

The news will be a blow to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, who had hoped the Brussels sighting would provide the breakthrough they have been awaiting for more than 15 months. CCTV images of the potential sighting in the western Molenbeek suburb of Brussels show the woman walking down the street hand-in-hand with the child.

And a security guard at a branch of the KBC Bank reportedly overheard the girl say to the adult in English, "Can we go back now?" The McCanns were shown the grainy security camera footage but could not rule out the possibility that the child might be their daughter. Their private detectives followed up the report with the help of investigators in Brussels and video enhancement experts in the US.

Belgian police planned to show the CCTV footage on national television if nobody came forward to explain the sighting. But Ms Pellens said it had turned out that the four-year-old girl was the "ordinary Belgian daughter of an ordinary Belgian citizen".
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Op dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 12:27 schreef Suko het volgende:
De Belgische pers was eerder, zie eerdere post, maar Clarence Mitchell moet het ook onder ogen zien en laat het persbureau The Press Association (zijn eigen perskanaal...bijna) weten:
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Op naar de volgende sithing....

maak je borst maar nat, here they come......
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DETECTIVES in Belgium have been alerted to 30 new “sightings” of missing Madeleine McCann in the past seven days, the Daily Express can reveal.


They come a week after a blonde, blue-eyed child was spotted outside a Brussels bank, pleading with a north African woman in English to be allowed to go home.
http://www.express.co.uk/(...)in-Belgium-in-a-week

Oh en het is nog steeds de schuld van de Portugezen......
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Most of the Portuguese police officers who looked for Madeleine McCann after her disappearance had no formal training in missing people searches, case files revealed yesterday.

Up to 100 personnel spent a week scouring an area up to 15km (9.3 miles) around the Algarve resort where the girl vanished on May 3 last year.

But they failed to find any clues to Madeleine's fate, and in July Portuguese detectives called in leading British expert Mark Harrison.

advertisementMr Harrison, national search adviser for all UK police agencies in cases of missing people, homicides and abductions, reviewed the initial operations and advised on the inquiry's future strategy.

He noted that neither search co-ordinator Major Luis Sequeira nor most of his teams had received any training for the task of looking for the missing girl.

Between 80 and 100 people drawn from the Guarda Nacional Republicana (GNR) local police, civil protection, fire brigade, Red Cross and urban police were involved in the searches.

In his report, dated July 23 last year, Mr Harrison wrote: "Major Sequeira has not benefited from any formal training or accreditation in the management of searching for missing persons.

"The search officers - with the exception of the search and rescue team dispatched from Lisbon - had not benefited from any formal training in search procedures."

The report, contained in police files made public last week, focuses on the possibility that Madeleine was murdered and her body hidden in areas previously scrutinised by police.

Mr Harrison highlighted an open area to the east of Praia da Luz, the village where the girl disappeared, that afforded "many opportunities to dispose of a body" and recommended fresh searches there.

Most significantly, he advised that specialist sniffer dogs should be used to examine key sites such as the McCanns' holiday apartment and the home of official suspect Robert Murat.

In late July and early August two British dogs trained to scent corpses and human blood were brought to Portugal and taken around property associated with people connected to the case.

The sniffer dog and DNA evidence were central to Portuguese detectives' decision to name Mr and Mrs McCann as "arguidos", or formal suspects, in Madeleine's disappearance on September 7 last year.

In his report Mr Harrison also concluded that information about the child's whereabouts provided by a former South African policeman was "likely to be of low value".

Danie Krugel, who claims to have invented a device for finding missing people, visited Praia da Luz last July on the invitation of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

Based on his investigations he said he believed she was not transported beyond the area where she disappeared.
http://www.theherald.co.u(...)ning_in_searches.php
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Oh heerlijk, nieuwe sightings... Maar wat vertelde diezelfde Mark Harrison nog meer... Take note Clarence Mitchell 20/07/08 Joana Morais:
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"English defended the use of the dogs - Correio da Manhã

TracesFinding the trail of a death changed the direction of the investigation

An exhaustive report explains the possible scenarios to hide a body and defends the animals’ reliability

Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver odours and blood traces. The discovery of the residues and the signaling of the trail of a cadaver thus ended up formally changing the direction of an investigation that had been limited to the theory of abduction until then.

The report, which praises the Portuguese authorities’ work, suggested that the animals should be taken to all the locations where the body might have been hidden. From the apartment that had been rented by the McCanns up to the crèche, through the beach and the church area.

Mark Harrison explained that it was necessary to analyse the scenarios of Madeleine having been killed that night and her body abandoned by a person on foot or by car. The expert added that despite of the high costs of that search, it should be carried out in order to clarify the case.

Dogs are reliable

In the report, Mark Harrison says that it us very unlikely that the body was buried in the sand. The English policeman defends that a launch into the sea is the most likely scenario, while the body should also be searched for within an area of cliffs and dense bushes that lies east of Praia da Luz.

The two English dogs were presented as an indispensable help to the investigation, after their abilities and the manner in which they are trained were explained in detail, as well as the fact that they both react to blood traces and cadaver odours, without a single episode of “false positives” in the investigations.

In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie’s death, then it would be a fact.


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High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high costs of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signaled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.
En gewoon voor de gein meld ik nog ff dat zelfs US regelmatig de expertise van deze twee honden gebruikt. BBC En ook in deze eerdere post over deze honden en de US. (ha ha zo kom je je zelf weer eens tegen via google) 5 oktober 2007 Verbazingwekkend hoe de Britse pers toen schreef over de gevonden sporen, ...Zal wel toeval zijn maar 3 dagen ervoor kreeg Amaral de zak, twee uur na een telefoontje van PM Gordon Brown. Ik denk dat Amaral op onderzoeklijnen zat die gevaarlijk werden, hij wist gewoon te veel IMO. Zijn hond werd overigens vermoord, mccannfiles.com: "Mr Amaral gets a phone call from his scared wife. Somebody had killed one of the family dogs, a Shitzu who had a serious head injury." Pure intimidatie...

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[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 12-08-2008 20:27:07 (stomme taalfout...) ]
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Hoe je een verhaal verkoopt en door verkoopt, een beveiliger, die mogelijk Madeleine zag, na twee dagen overdenking en speuren op het internet, verteld hij dit aan zijn bazen en wordt de politie gebeld, die bekijken de CCTV-beelden, rapport opgemaakt en vervolgens aan the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police.overhandigd. De pers wist nog van niets, niet voor lang. Totdat de tabloids het nieuws lazen van die beveiliger. Allemaal naar Belgie. En dan dit: "Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC." Bron
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Tuesday, 12 August 2008 Enfants Kidnappés 12/08/08: It's not Madeleine in Molenbeek, Brussels.
Another excellent article from the Association Enfants Kidnappés about the little girl seen by the security guard at a bank in Molenbeek-Saint-Jean in Brussels. I think the British press is finally catching up with the, "Breaking news," that actually appeared in the Belgian media at around 11pm on Monday.

It's not Madeleine, contrary to a certain press. We are going to give you a little reminder of some real facts, as they happened, without all the modifications and inventions of the press.

On Monday August 4th, the security guard, Alain, employed by the Securitas company and seconded to cover security at KBC's administrative headquarteres in the Avenue du Port, Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, one of 19 urban areas of Brussels, was in his post in front of the bank towards 10.30 in the morning. His attention was drawn to a young woman and a little blond girl walking past the bank. The little girl was blond and the woman with her seemed to be North African. His gaze followed the, "strange pair," the woman and the little girl made. It wasn't until two days later that he would inform his superiors. The latter immediately called on the services of the police.

Alain stated to the police:

"I was working at the front of the branch. I noticed this little blond girl, accompanied by a woman of Moroccan origin. I was immediately struck by the obvious difference between the girl and that woman. I was drawn by the words of the little girl, who said, as part of a sentence, that I didn't hear the beginning or the end of, "...I GO BACK..." (Editor's note: and not, LET ME GO HOME as stated by a certain bad press!!)

The little girl was dressed in a white shirt, over which she was wearing a white sweater. She had on a dark grey skirt with a tartan checked pattern. Below her skirt, she was wearing white stockings and shoes. The little girl had very clear blue eyes, very clear. As I was mostly paying attention to the little girl, I didn't get a very good look at the woman who was with her. However, I can tell you that she had brown eyes. I didn't see her hair, but she was wearing a scarf on her head. She was dressed in quite a modern fashion. After they had gone past, I went back into the back. I didn't manage to remember where I had seen that little girl before. The next day I was on leave. As this little girl was going round in my head, I did some research on the internet. That was how I came across photos of Madeleine McCann. I then thought I had recognised the little girl. I wasn't sure. First of all I told myself that it wasn't possible, that I must be mistaken. But as time went on, my conviction grew. On my return to work, I informed my superiors. They contacted the police.

On arrival, the police proceeded to questioning Alain V. the bulk of which is detailed below. Then the police officers looked at the 5 videos captured by the surveillance cameras. One of the police officers there suggested asking the area inspector if he knew anyone in the area who might look like the little girl. The report was prepared and all the details were sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Belgian Police. At that time, the press were not aware of the guard's witness statement. Not for long....

Getting to the bottom of the case.

Following the SOS Madeleine article about the guard's witness statement, the British press, who were seeking at all costs to discredit Belgium in the eyes of their readers, making Belgians out to be people who wallowed in prostitution and as paedophiles satisfying our fantasies with children, grabbed hold of the case. From then on there were journalists from various tabloids in Brussels: News of the World, The Mail, The Daily Mail and the Mirror. Only the, "SUN," went to Ghent instead of to Brussels. Strangely, the, "SUN," was accompanied by a member of the Missing Unit of the Federal police who guided them through what had taken place in the incident at KBC. The next day, the, "SUN," published online the 5 videos of the case which were intiially sent to the Missing Unit of the Federal Police. According to our information, the, "SUN," paid 40,000¤ for these videos.

Then, the,"SUN," resold them to SKY News for the tidy sum of 100,000¤. Still according to our information, the purchase of the videos was made through the intermediary of someone whose son had done a work placement in the UK with the, "SUN," and the father (whose identity we are not going to disclose) was very close to the investigation. Thus, for money, he would have leaked information and sold documents in violation of the article of the Belgian Penal Code on professional secrecy to which the police are bound! From then on the press jostled with each other in Molenbeek. The Mirror even had three teams, one of whom had the task of following the, "SUN," team and to be right behind them everywhere. At that time, the newspapers disinformed the public by disclosing false information. Thus, the, "SUN," stated that: "The Belgian police recognise that it could be Madeleine."

Absolutely false information since at that time, the investigators already knew that it wasn't Madeleine.
The Daily Mail journalists did interesting work. They went into all the shops and cafés in the area around KBC and placed posters with photos of the woman and the little girl, bearing their telephone number. These posters bore fruit. The little girl's father became angry when he saw photos of his daughter plastered all over his neighbourhood. He went home. He got onto the internet. He saw the images disclosed by the, "SUN," and he immediately understood the importance of the matter and went to the police. The young pregnant woman who was with the little girl was none other than her nanny.

Note that the guard's statement was in good faith. He was not seeking to attract attention. As you look at the videos, you can't help being worried by a certain resemblance in appearance. In addition, the little girl indeed speaks English. We have seen the little girl and the resemblance with Madeleine is truly striking. We would have fallen into the trap ourselves. Association Enfants Kidnappés: 12/08/08 Kidnapping.be
Waren de tabloids maar zo ordinair bezig met de McCanns en hun vrienden, waar zijn de tijden gebleven van die goeie ouwe riooljournalistiek, achter en in vuilnisbakken/struiken posten, ongezien volgen van de 'objecten', buren en collega's quooitjes ontfutselen, maar niets, helemaal niets, nada...those where the days, sjucht

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Gerry McCann en een lolly... Goedemorgen overigens.
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13/08/08 Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
Gerry laughed during the drama at the PJ - Correio da Manhã

Extortion
PJ solved two attempts of fraud against the McCanns

The PJ successfully solved the two attempts to extort money from the McCann couple in return for information about their missing daughter. But Maddie’s father’s laughs during the negotiations caused strangeness. The ambience in the room was heavy, when on the 14th of June 2007, contact was established with a stranger in Holland, who seemed to shed a light on the darkness that the investigation was in, a month after the disappearance.

Against the nervousness of the Portuguese and the English policemen, Gerry McCann’s attitude surprised everyone in the room, the former coordinator of the process, Gonçalo Amaral, later recollected.

In a careless manner, Maddie’s father “made a contrast with the anxiety of the policemen and intrigued the investigators. Gerry “sucked on a lollipop in a relaxed manner while he read banalities on the internet and discussed rugby and football with an English policeman”, the former coordinator from the Polícia Judiciária wrote in the book’Truth of the Lie’.

The Dutch police would eventually discover that the Dutchman from Eindhoven, who used a cybercafé to demand two million euros per email, knew nothing about Maddie’s whereabouts. In late June 2007, the McCann couple would suffer another extortion attempt, with the promise of information about their daughter, made by a couple in South Spain.

The intervention of the PJ with the Spanish authorities demonstrated that Italian Danilo Chemello and Portuguese Aurora Pereira Vaz, who claimed four million euros, didn’t know anything about Maddie McCann, either. The coordination between the Judiciária and the police forces of Spain and Holland led to the detention of the individuals, who wanted to extort six million euros from the McCanns.

With the solving of both frauds, the Polícia Judiciária reinforced the thesis that the child had suffered a deadly accident in the Ocean Club holiday apartment.

Profession explains coldness

The coldness that Gerry McCann always demonstrated during the process of his daughter’s disappearance was noted both by the Portuguese and the British investigators. Gonçalo Amaral, the former operational coordinator of the investigations into the ‘Maddie case’ recalls that one of the English policemen used to say: “Don’t forget that he is a cardio surgeon and starts opening people up right after breakfast.” The ‘cold’ expressions of the McCanns also surprised the public opinion. But despite the fact that Maddie’s mother was never seen crying in public, the investigator stated that “Kate cried several times” for Maddie.

Ransom

Arrested in Holland – On the 4th of July 2007, the Dutch police arrested the 39-year-old man who tried to extort two million euros from the McCanns.

Detained in Spain – On the 28th of June 2007, the Spanish police arrested the Italian and the Portuguese who tried to deceive the McCann couple.
Overigens is Gerry McCann geen hartchirurg maar een consultant cardiologist at the Glenfield Hospital. Bron Ongetwijfeld zal Gerry wel eens bij operaties aanwezig zijn maar geen hartoperaties uitvoeren, dat is echt een andere dicipline.

(Het wordt een beetje eng in de UK, een snipper: "From The Times August 13, 2008 "Councils get power to ‘spy’ on your e-mail and net use. Councils and health authorities are to be given the right to access e-mail and internet records under surveillance powers to be introduced next year, the Home Office said yesterday. Although first proposed to tackle terrorism and serious crime, powers have been extended to cover other criminal activity, public health, threats to public safety and even prevention of self-harm.)
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Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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McCann case: 24 pictures that may help to re-open the case

A tourist that was at the Tapas Bar, on the night of May 3, took several pictures where the table with the McCann and their friends is visible. The tourist was with his wife and another couple and they took pictures from each other, with the McCann table on the background. The owner of the pictures is negotiating with several British newspapers to sell the rights for an exclusive publication, but with a condition: before being published, the pictures must be sent to the Portuguese police. The tourist is well aware that the pictures may have important evidence related with a crime and not sending it to police is considered also a crime, in his country.

Yesterday, a well known legal office from UK knew about the existence of those pictures and contacted the owner, offering to buy all pictures for 600,000 Euros. But the British lawyers didn't accept the condition set by the owner – that the pictures should be sent to the Portuguese police, just before the transaction. The lawyers' office wanted to be free to choose the moment when the pictures would be send to Portuguese authorities, so the offer was refused by the tourist. Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

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  woensdag 13 augustus 2008 @ 13:07:37 #158
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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 13:02 schreef Suko het volgende:
Gelukkig, Claudia bleek toch alleen met vakantie, haar blog is weer toegankelijk. "I'm back, just like I said I would be. Holidays over. Took some good pictures, but not as interesting as some. ;-) Have a translation deadline so I'll see you later. P.S: The girl in Belgium is not Madeleine. What a disappointment. I was so sure it was her... "
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Ik geloof dit verhaal ziet zo erg, waarom niet gelijk die foto's aan de Portugese politie gegeven als je hart op de goede plek zit?Als het alleen om het geld te doen is met dan wel de voorwaarde dat vóór publicatie deze aan de PJ moeten worden gestuurd...neu, eerst zien dan geloven.

goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 13:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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goedemiddag! Zo ik heb mijn portie gespin en geroddel weer binnen vandaag, je hebt zo'n beetje alles wat er te melden valt gepost, niets aan toe te voegen.

Die foto's....de frietman.....gedraai met bewijzen, als je niet beter wist zou je denken dat het een soap is....
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Goeiemiddag Kahaarin. Ja ja, alles draait nog op volle toeren. Ik geloof alleen wat er uit die files is gepeurd door de Portugese pers en de citaten uit Amaral's boek. Want het is toch opwerkelijk dat het team McConn daar geen reacties op geeft....

En verder kwam ik een filmpje tegen over Jane Tanner, hoe dat mens toch de hele boel bij elkaar heeft gelogen. Uit eerdere artikelen al gepost in de vorige delen van dit topic, dat ze eerst natuurlijk een eggman zag, ze kon zijn gezicht niet zien. Totdat ze echt meende Robert Murat te herkennen. Om uiteindelijk terecht te komen bij die creepy man die eerder getuige Gail Cooper had beschreven. Nog afgezien van het feit dat Tanner op weg was toen ze hem zag, en later toch op de terugweg...en niemand heeft haar gezien, terwijl ze toch Gerry en Jeremy zag kletsen < met z'n kind in buggy, daar heeft ze het niet over. Moest ze soms een alibi voor haar afwezigheid verzinnen...?

Wat schrijft Amaral: "Jane Tanner was placed inside a surveillance van from police (windows that allow to look outside, from the van, without being seen), the van was parked in a strategic position, near the A5 apartment, and PJ investigators took Murat with them, making exactly the same walk the man carrying a child has made, according to Jane Tanner. Jane Tanner looked at Murat walking and told police she was sure he was the same man, she recognized the way he walked, with no doubt.

Maar wat zegt die Tanner op 20 november 2007 in de Daily Mail: "But she admitted: "I simply don't know if I could identify again the man I saw that night. I've never pointed the finger at Robert Murat because I simply don't know if it was him or not."

En later in The Times January 21, 2008 : "Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said that the new picture resembled a man whom she has told police she saw carrying a child from the Algarve resort on the night that Madeleine vanished. She has offered to return to Portugal to assist the police inquiry, but they have declined." <<<< en zoals we nu inmiddels weten is die laatste opmerking ook een vette leugen.

Van Eggman/ naar > Robert Murat naar > Creepy Man (ook wel Bundleman, de man gevonden, nergens iets mee te maken)



Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37.
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Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.
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Anatomy of a badly told story

From the blog of Frederico Duarte Carvalho, a journalist and author, an excellent analysis of the timeline:

“There is still so much to discover inside the process”, I was told a few days ago by the former coordinator of the PJ, Gonçalo Amaral, when together with João Vasco Almeida, I interviewed him for “Focus” – see the edition of tomorrow, the 13th. The author of the book “Maddie – Truth of the Lie” (140 thousand copies sold and foreseen translations for Spain and Germany) gave us what was the first interview after the case left the premises of the judicial secrecy. So, the former coordinator accepted to look to the computer where we had the DVD with the process open, and pointed his finger at the moment where the fatal contradiction of the witness statements by some of the main players in the night when the alert to the disappearance of the English girl in Praia da Luz was raised, is registered: “No member of the media has ever crossed those depositions”, Gonçalo Amaral said to us.

It is all in the first of the 17 volumes, which run to 4713 pages. It was the contradiction between the initial statement from Jane Tanner, a marketing manager, and the one from her companion, doctor Russell O’Brian, that raised the suspicions that the marketing manager might be lying when she said she had seen an alleged abductor carrying a child. This happened as early as the 4th of May, within the first hours after the disappearance.

Russell O’Brian, a doctor and Jane Tanner’s husband, worked directly with Madeleine’s father, Gerry McCann, for six months. They became fathers at approximately the same time, as Russell’s older daughter is just one month older than Madeleine. When the witness statements from Gerry, Jane and Russell were crossed, the PJ’s investigators realized that “the story was badly told”. de rest in het Engels verder te lezen.
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Volgens Gerry, cheching de kids: 9.05 p.m opent met sleutel het apartement, keek in de kamer waar de kids sliepen, naar de wc gegaan, ging weer weg en sprak op de terugweg op straat even met tennisvriend Wilkens, die wandelde daar met z'n kind (die kon niet slapen) en ging weer naar de Tapasbar.

Echtgenoot van Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien verklaard later: Jane verliet de Tapasbar bijna gelijkertijd met Gerry met ong. 5 min verschil. Zij moet iets eerder zijn terug gekomen om Gerry en Wilkens te zien praten. De vraag is of Tanner op de heenweg Gerry en Wilkens geeft zien praten of op de terugweg.

Gerry en Tanner verlieten dus met pakweg 5 min verschil de Tapasbar. Hoe was het dus mogelijk voor Gerry in die korte tijd de kids te checken, bleef momenten op de wc, op de terugweg naar de tapasbar, even gesproken met Wilkens, en dat allemaal in 5 minuten.

Jane Tanner garandeert dat ze op de heenweg naar haar apartement Gerry en Wilkens zag praten. Was Gerry dan al weer op de terugweg? Is het dan toch mogelijk dat Gerry op de heenweg Wilkens tegenkwam? Hoe is het dan mogelijk dat zowel Gerry alswel Wilkens Jane Tanner niet hebben gezien, zij beweert ze wel gezien te hebben, ze liepen toen allemaal op dezelfde weg.

En dan ziet Jane Tanner ook op de heenweg na het passeren van Gerry en Wilkens, een paar meter verder op de hoek iemand met een kind lopen, richting Murat's huis. Ze beweert pertinent op de heenweg.

Dat was het begin van het ontvoeringsverhaal en de verdachtmaking van Robert Murat.

Toen Jane na het checken van haar kids naar de Tapasbar terugging was Gerry niet meer aan 't kletsen met Wilkens maar zag ze hem terug in de Tapasbar met Kate. Na 15 a 20 min ging echtgenoot Russel naar het apartement voor de check, samen met Mike Oldfield. Hij luisterde in het voorbij gaan alleen bij het apartement van de McCanns.

Russel bleef in z'n apartement, verzorgde z'n dochter, daarom at Jane wat sneller en ging ook naar het apartement. Russel ging daarop weer terug naar de Tapasbar. Vervolgens ging Kate weg voor de check. Het was toen 22.00 a 22.15 uur toen Jane in haar apartement Kate en Fiona Payne hoorde schreeuwen dat Madeleine was verdwenen.
Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....

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Alweer een verklaring ontmaskerd, dit keer van Najoua Chekaya, the aerobic instructor in de Tapasbar, gelezen op mccanndiles.com. Zij was dus alleen op zondag en dinsdag aanwezig en dus niet op die fatale donderdag 3 mei:
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The aerobic instructor short statement Gazeta Digital

Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis Thursday August 14 2008

Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a "Quiz Game", at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.

On May 1, 2007, after the "Quiz" was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.

During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
Nigel van mccannfiles.com:
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Comment: This is an extremely important piece of information, as we had previously been led to believe that Ms Chekaya had undertaken her quiz, and been invited to the table by Gerry, on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. Her police statement makes it quite clear that this was not the case. Consequently, she cannot corroborate, or provide an alibi for, any of the McCanns or their friends movements on the night of May 3rd.

Who was the source for the Daily Mail article that said she was present at the table on that night?

Reminder of Daily Mail article:

I just want to go home, says fitness teacher who is key witness Daily Mail

Last updated at 12:03 16 August 2007

A Briton critical to the Madeleine McCann investigation has told friends she is now desperate to leave Portugal. Aerobics instructor Najoua Chekaya was chatting with Gerry and Kate McCann and their friends when Madeleine, then three, vanished from the family's Algarve apartment in Praia da Luz.

That night, Ms Chekaya had organised a bar quiz at the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying. Her evidence is understood to corroborate the McCanns' movements in the hour before the disappearance was discovered. This week police in Portugal publicly declared the McCanns, both doctors from Leicestershire, were not suspects following a smear campaign which suggested they and their friends were somehow implicated.

Ms Chekaya, 21, from Flitwick, Beds, is still working in Praia da Luz for Ocean Club operator Mark Warner. But she wrote to one friend on social networking site Facebook: "Missin you guys loads. dun with portugal now, wana cum home n have fun in flitwick!! neva thought id say that!!"

Portuguese laws make it an offence for witnesses in a criminal inquiry to discuss their evidence, but it is understood Ms Chekaya was invited by Mr McCann to join his table when the quiz finished at 9.30pm. It is understood she remained chatting with the McCanns and their friends until 10pm, when Mrs McCann went to check on Madeleine and discovered her daughter missing. What happened between 9pm and 10pm is likely to hold the key to Madeleine's fate.

Mr McCann checked on Madeleine and her two younger siblings at 9.05pm and reported that all was well and his daughter fast asleep. About 10 to 15 minutes after he returned to the table, a friend, Jane Tanner, went to check. She reported seeing a dark-haired man of about 35 carrying a child as she walked back to the bar afterwards but thought nothing of it.
De laatste alinea uit dit artikel van de Daily Mail klopt ook niet, zie post hierboven. Janner Tanner zag die man+kind (richting Murat's huis) op de heenweg... Wat een zooi leugens komen er nu naar boven.

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Op woensdag 13 augustus 2008 21:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Een interessant verhaal, over de timelines van Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien en z'n vrouw Jane Tanner en over die laatste zijn er diverse vragen te stellen, die timelines heb ik ff vertaald, dat las voor mij wat makkelijker en misschien voor anderen ook...Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro.

Terecht schreef iemand als commentaar op Joana'' s blog: "One important question that a poster on Anorak kept repeating over and over is, when Kate found Madeleine missing, why didn't she go next door to Jane Tanner's apartment to see if for some reason Madeleine was there? Kate would have known that Jane was there caring for her ill daughter. Madeleine could have woken and was crying and Jane brought her over to the apartment to keep her comforted while the others ate dinner. Unless Kate already knew Madeleine's fate, why wouldn't she check with Jane first before running back to the bar? Why wouldn't she at least raise the alarm with Jane and specifically ask her to watch over the twins while she ran to the bar? Kate's response to Madeleine being missing does not make sense, unless the abduction scenario was a set-up, as Mr. Amaral believes. If the McCanns are ever proven guilty of hiding the corpse and pretense of an abduction crime, Jane Tanner needs to be prosecuted for false testimony and obstruction of justice, imo."

Quite right...nogmaals: Filmpje: Jane Tanner said on Panorama, she wasn't a liar ... duurt 3 min.37 Wij snappen allemaal best wel waarom men geen reconstructie wil....
Goedemorgen!

Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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Kate and Gerry McCann have hired a team of crack U.S detectives to lead the hunt for their missing daughter Madeleine, it has emerged.

The unnamed US firm is said to have been offered a £500,000 six-month contract by the Find Madeleine Fun to help spearhead the search.

A friend of the McCanns said: 'The hunt for Madeleine is becoming more and more international and it was felt that a truly international firm was now needed to lead the inquiry.
http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
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Op donderdag 14 augustus 2008 12:25 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen!

Volgens mij hebben we het daar ook al over gehad, Kate die wegloopt terwijl er nog 2 kinderen liggen te slapen, wie was dat ook weer? Naja goed geen zin om terug te zoeken, blijft idd een heel vreemd verhaal, net zo goe als die leugens en verfraaiing en verdraaiing van feiten, de beerput staat nog maar op een kiertje.

Een reconstructie is imho godsonmogelijk, die hele bende komt vast te zitten in de leugens.

Oh ja, voor ik het vergeet, ik ga dit weekeinde vertrekken, 2 weken vakantie, als je me dan niet ziet komt dat omdat ik op de camping sta!

En dan dit, gewoon voor de volledigheid,
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http://www.mailonsunday.c(...)gents-Madeleine.html
Tja wat moet je daar op zeggen, 500.000 pond, het Maddy fund heeft vast een paar anonieme donateurs erbij gekregen.....
Hajo Kahaarin, indeed, nog maar op een kiertje, want ik postte net dat die arobic-dame niet eens op de fatale avond aanwezig was! Ex-coppers (FBI, CIA en nog iets speciaals of zo) uit de US...nee, geen namen noemen...mmmm, making way to the States, to uhm....Oprah Winfrey/Barbara Walters en wie er maar wat te bieden heeft...misschien nieuwe sightings, de US is nog een onontgonnen gebied in deze. In Europa zijn de McCanns nou wel uitgekotst...America, here they come!
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Ik vind dit tot nu toe het meest onthullende (en tevens hilarisch op het einde) interview met Amaral, die inderdaad te dicht bij de waarheid zat, says it all really, IMO. Ik wilde wel uitspraken onderstrepen maar voor geinteresseerden, lees zelf maar and make up your own mind. Gelezen op de site van Joana Morais, vertaald door Astro:
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“I was close to finding Maddie”

The inspector of the McCann case demolishes the abduction theory: “The sightings are marketing”. He explains, for the first time, what remains to be done in order to find the body

Gonçalo Amaral has already sold 140 thousand copies of his book Maddie: The Truth about a Lie. The former coordinator of the investigation into the case that shocked the country explains his theory to Focus.

FocusA newspaper reported that your book could be summed up as “murder, the dog wrote”, given the fact that it was the cadaver odour and the blood that were found that led you to sustain the theory that Madeleine McCann died. What do you actually know beyond the dogs?

Gonçalo Amaral – That comment only reveals the ignorance of the person who wrote it. The technique of residue collection using special dogs like these, CSIs, is usual in England, in the United States and it has already led to more than 200 condemnations. The laboratory where the samples [of blood, cadaver odour and DNA from Maddie] were analyzed has corroborated these experts’ work.

Focus It has corroborated it, but it does not specify that they belong to Maddie McCann.

G.A. – They can only match that from Madeleine McCann, because the lab had the twins’ DNA and it was not a match. Those are 15 out of 19 markers that match.

FocusWhat else sustains the theory?

G.A. – There is evidence from indicia, which is possible in this country, as long as the prosecutor possesses the conviction and the elements that indicate that, in court, there will be a condemnation. The Public Ministry has to value this evidence that was collected. This time, the Public Ministry considered that the indicia are not sufficient and archived the process.

FocusAnd what are those indicia that you understand as sufficient?

G.A. – The atypical behaviour of the parents: The fact that the lady says that she had three children sleeping in one room, that she arrives and one is missing, the window is open, she mentions it’s a cold night, the shutter is up… and she goes away, leaving two children asleep, with a possible abductor around. I know that [the reports from the PJ and from the Public Ministry] didn’t give any relevance to the contradictions and didn’t expose the falsehoods and the false testimonies that exist there from all the persons who intervened. That, deep down, is the evidence that indicates that everyone is lying and those lies cannot be understood.

FocusAnd who took the child from her bed?

G.A. – That is the question that we were investigating on the 2nd of October 2007, when I left. From that moment on, little investigation was carried out in that apartment. The parents should have come over for a reconstitution and they didn’t. That was necessary to understand what happened.

FocusWhich was…

G.A. – The death of the child in the apartment. The Public Ministry even mentions homicide. The abduction theory has been dismissed due to everything that has been made public.

Focus How do you defend the “accidental” death?

G.A. – There is indicia behind the sofa [of the McCanns’ living room]. The sofa is under a window that looks onto the street, which is three or four metres high. It is normal behaviour, and justice deals with normal behaviour, that the parents would have moved the sofa away from the window, given the fact that they had small children and alone at home. The window was easy to open and the shutters were not functioning…

FocusBut why “accidental”?

G.A. - I don’t say it’s accidental. Up to that moment, we could only reach an accidental death, because we had not worked on the rest yet. We had yet to understand what had happened there. Cadaver odour and blood from the child appear next to the sofa. Death has presumably taken place there. There are no doubts that it is a death and that it took place on that spot. We are not going to say that the mother did this or that, that would really be speculating, the only hypothesis is the accidental death. In the continuation of the investigations is where we could go further or not.

FocusYou said that the mother can’t be accused of having done this or that… How far can you deduct?

G.A. – As far as we could deduct on the 2nd of October. I believe, and so did my colleagues in the investigation, that if we had continued into the same direction of the investigation, we might eventually have gone further. We might even have reached a point where we dismissed any suspicion concerning the parents. Investigations that only go half the way is what leaves things as they are now.

FocusAre Madeleine McCanns’ parents responsible for their daughter’s death?

G.A. – No. There is a neglect in the guard [of the children]. There are no doubts that those children were not safe, because if they were, one of them wouldn’t have disappeared. Now, saying that “the responsibility of the death belongs to…” We had to understand, to collect data about what happened from there on. The reconstitution is essential. I did not understand, but I accepted the decision from a hierarchical team that I was part of, why the reconstitution was not done right away. The possibility of trying to make a new reconstitution was opened, but the arguidos had already left Portugal. A thing like this is only done with arguidos. The ideal is to have everyone, but even only with the couple, that were arguidos at that point in time, the reconstitution could have been carried out.

FocusAnd with actors?

G.A. – No. It would be enough to tell them: ‘You say that you did this and that, then do it, where did you enter, were you having dinner, weren’t you having dinner, what did you order for dinner…? Where did you touch and where didn’t you?’ All of this. It was important for Kate and Gerry McCann to come over, but the Irish witnesses could also come…

FocusThose who say that they saw Gerry McCann carrying a child, down the street, on the night of the disappearance.

G.A. – Yes, those who assert that they saw, with a certainty of seventy, eighty percent, Gerald McCann carrying a child, walking in the street, it was already nighttime.

Focus – You suggest that the little girl was frozen or conserved in the cold. How do you reach that?

G.A. – There is a bodily fluid, inside a car boot, above an “embaladeira” [n.t.: metallic piece of the car that reinforces the lower part of the doors], from a child that presumably died on the 3rd of May. The car was rented 20 days later and was even new. It had been rented two or three times. Taking into consideration the circumstances of the climate, the temperature, the decomposition of a body… A body, in order to leak a fluid in that manner, a body with more than a month of decomposition had to be preserved.

FocusDid it have to be close by?

G.A. – And why?

Focus It could have been taken to Lisbon, Oporto, Badajoz…

G.A. – That was what we were taking care of at that time. The body could have been moved, but nobody knows when the body was transported in the car. The car ran several kilometers [around 3000, according to the process]. And given the fact that it is not known when the body was transported, according to the analysis of the fluids, we have to attend to where the car went through. The McCann couple and their relatives. For example, the relatives later state that they transported garbage, a package with meat from the supermarket, but the dogs can tell those things apart very well.

FocusThere is a contradiction in the valuation of the dogs’ evidence.

G.A. – What happens is that the Public Ministry devalues it. In Portugal, we are all very skeptical towards this form of collecting indicia.

FocusYou state that you have not told everything that you know.

G.A. – And I haven’t.

FocusWhy?

G.A. – Because I am a jurist, too. Let’s see how the situation evolves.

FocusAnd how can the situation evolve?

G.A. – The things that are missing are important in terms of the investigation, but they are ours… When it is said: these are your convictions… This is the understanding of a work team and even with the English police. And with documents. It’s this kind of thing, for any action that may be coming. I don’t believe, but who knows.

FocusDoes the English police agree, then, with that “understanding” about what you are saying?

G.A. – The work with the English police went very well. Then, certainly due to a mere coincidence, when the McCann couple leaves, all the English policemen leave as well…

FocusYou are convinced that someone made the process reach the hands of the English.

G.A. – I have that idea. I think that it even fits into that marketing campaign that is saying that the little girl is alive.

FocusBut don’t you admit you may have doubts if there is a sighting?

G.A. – How many sightings have there been? Thousands. It’s been a year. I stopped giving them a lot of importance on the day that the dogs confirmed the cadaver odour and the blood.

FocusBut you did start with the abduction hypothesis.

G.A. – If you look closely, right in my first document, the process mentions “abduction” followed by two question marks.

FocusThen, you were thrown out…

G.A. - … that is a good expression…

Focus - … because of the reports that mention that you drink whiskey at lunch or because, in your work, you believe that there is a death?

G.A. – I don’t drink whiskey. I drink beer at lunch time, if they had written that, they would have been right. Before I left, a weekly magazine says: “That person does not last beyond October as the head of the investigation.” This happened a month or two before. And then I was given a speech like that one from the Attorney General: ‘Not all investigations can be successful, or the authors of the crimes are not always discovered…’ What may have hurt many people was my will to discover the material truth. And when I left, I was naturally closer to the truth. Two examples: Apart from our need to know who the friends of the McCann couple were, or if they knew anyone in Portugal, or who drove the car… if they eventually visited another apartment, if they used to meet someone, if they deposited someone… just for us to understand. Towards the end, I was informed that they had visited people at a villa in Praia da Luz. We went to check it out. Then, we were informed that the McCanns had visited an apartment block near the cemetery. And we were working on that, in order to confirm whether it was them or not. This was how we were trying to understand where the body was. And there are many persons who were not investigated, who were not in the process.

Focus - So are you going to let this entire case pass into the clear? Don’t you at least want to be sued by the McCanns over everything that you leave in the air…

G.A. – So we can have a chat…? (smiles)

FocusAre you going to sue the McCanns?

G.A. – No, as far as I know the McCann couple has not been speaking, the one who has been speaking is their press advisor, mister Clarence Mitchell.

an interview by João Vasco Almeida and Frederico Duarte Carvalho in: Focus, edition nr 461, 13.08.2008
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Goedemiddag... Wat nieuwtjes/achtergrondjes van gisteren en vandaag in 't kort:
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Kate McCann's dagboek is onder de loep genomen door Quintino Aires, chair professor of psychology met als conslusie: "On the basis of all this, I am not surprised to read "I need you to come back" so many times and almost never "how are you feeling?". She seems to be more concerned with herself than with poor Maddie… It's the Kate McCann we had already got to know". De rest op mccannfiles.com

Dat klopt ook wel, allebei zijn ze voornamelijk op zichzelf gericht, gezien dit quootje uit Gerry's blog, 14/08/2008: 'NO EVIDENCE OF HARM' It is over 3 weeks since we learned that the Portuguese authorities had closed the investigation to find Madeleine...We were surprised that copies of investigation files were given to the media. The content of these files has been extensively reported. "It will be clear to everyone now, that there is absolutely no evidence that suggests Madeleine has been seriously harmed. Knowing this, we strongly believe that Madeleine is out there and can be found.

Of course whoever is responsible for Madeleine’s abduction must, and can be, found to prevent them from putting another child and family through the misery we have suffered. We have always believed that this heinous crime could be solved with the help of the public."
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Ongelofelijk...En als je bedenkt dat het team McCann al maaaaaanden er van overtuigd is de Madeleine in pedofile kringen verkeerd, M dus nog leeft en er geen bewijs is van dat ze "seriously harmed", is...wordt men toch kotsmisselijk van dit narcistische en op geld beluste stel....

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En deze site gaat alle documenten publiceren uit de vrijgegeven files, nou ja, alles..."It needs to be realised that the Portuguese Public Prosecutor handed over 11,000 out of 30,000 pages of the case file to the press. That means that there are still 19,000 pages which are still covered by the secrecy of justice. Clearly, this means that the press has no more information now than before. Everything in those pages has already been disclosed and published over more than a year now. In these pages, there is nothing new! Nothing that hasn't been talked about already. The important issues of the case are in the remaining 19,000 pages!"

"Thus over the next few articles, we are going to present the comments from the police, the questioning of the witnesses and suspects, the facts, the places, the times, the dates etc etc. Everything that's in the case file, without adding or taking out the least comma, so that the contents are in one sense or another, wholly transparent, so that you will no longer be manipulated by anyone, and you can form an opinion based on the real details contained in the case file."

"And to begin with, in every police report, there is a document which the police must have already asked you for on different occasions: your identity card and/or your passport. So, we start with the identity card of the missing victim: Madeleine Beth McCann."




En verder wederom een commentaar hoe het team McCann het publiek besodemieterd met die sigthings van onlangs terwijl ze de files kennen en weten dat de PJ dit alles heeft gecheckt. "The witness was invited to the UK to meet the McCann parents and Clarence Mitchell. The portrait was published on the parents' web site. A telephone number is even given. However, Clarence Mitchell, the McCann parents and their lawyers all have a copy of the case file. As a consequence, they all know that these people have been identified and questioned! There is the feeling of acting in a great stage play. A bad play." Bron Zie ook uit een eerdere post hoe 'nieuws' wordt doorverkocht ondanks dat men wist dat het Madeleine niet was.

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En verder vond er op verzoek van de Spaanse politie (Alberto Carbas, the head of the Spanish CID Anti-Kidnapping Unit) een ontmoeting plaats op 19 october 2007 met Portugese detectives, belast met de zaak Madeleine en een vertegenwoordiger (representative) van Metodo 3. "The purpose of the meeting was to give PJ some information those detectives had. The Spanish police officer made clear that Metodo 3 had no intention to interfere in the Portuguese police work, but only to transmit some useful information. In the same contact, Metodo 3 said that they were not working for the Mccann, but for Brian Kennedy." Het verdere verhaal is eveneens interessant >>> Hoe Murat en zijn vriendin en anderen door het opzettelijk manipuleren van getuigenissen er in zijn geluisd: Brian Kennedy and Metodo 3 meet the PJ detectives
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  vrijdag 15 augustus 2008 @ 14:34:50 #166
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Ow noes team McCann maar draaien en wringen om geloofwaardig over te komen, de US lijkt me nog niet zo'n slecht idee, daar hebben ze alleen de CM slur gelezen.
Goedemiddag trouwens! Voorlopig m'n laatste post dus, voor 2 weken dan.

Rondje Anorak is ook al zo wazig......
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Madeleine McCann: Selling Books And Fact As Fiction
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann

WHILE the tabloids splash news of Madeleine McCann – our Maddy/ Maddie – on their front pages, spinning the single thread story into a news sensation, the Guardian uses the missing child as a touchstone for arty matters.

Just recently Madeleine has been in Edinburgh for the performing arts festival, and not. Like last year.

Today John Morton muses: “Can fiction tell the truth?”

Can fiction be fact? Anyone care to help Mr Morton before he gives this too much thought?

Many novelists have sought to dramatise the blurring of real life with drama, but this could obscure as much as it explains.

But novels are just a list of facts, right? Our man in the know is considering Kate Summerscale’s recent Samuel Johnson prizewinning book The Suspicions of Mr Whicher.

Summerscale’s book is at least in part an attempt to demonstrate that media frenzy over child abductions is not a new phenomenon (as the book concerns the abduction of a child, the parallels with today are clear - witness the fevered reaction to the disappearance in 2002 of two young girls in Soham, and the near-constant speculation over the fate of Madeline McCann).]

Can journalists ever blur fiction with fact? Discuss…
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Hooooooi, Kahaarin, nou ik gleoof dat ze in de US mogelijk best wel op de hoogte zijn van het een en ander, zeker wat neglect betreft (en daar houden ze daar al helemaal niet van!), dat heeft in alle bekende online kranten gestaan zoals CNN. Ook is is een flink aantal posters op fora uit de US, en Ophra Winfrey is op de hoogte van het 3arguido-forum.

Anyway, op Sky News stond ook dat gebrabbel van Gerry's Blog (waaruit ik vandaag al een quootje plaatste), de commentaren van lezers liegen er niet om. een greepje:
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If you could just show the police WHERE Madeleine is then that would be really helpful Gerry! Kate has a point about people on BLOGS some can be nasty can't they Gerry? ...Kate really needs to LOOK closer to home for the finale to all this. Tish tish my ole fruit-case! What are you thinking of inviting people to contact you that made statements to the PJ? That really is not on is it! By the way still want to know why is sun cream an offensive smell after only a few days?
Posted By :Amber

Very sad that it has come to this.\n\n'Absolutely no evidence his missing daughter Madeleine had been seriously harmed.' \nReally !!\n
Posted By : Debbie

C'mon people you know why Gerry is insisting she is still alive - didn't they say they would give the remaining fund money to childrens charities when they were given proof Madeleine was dead.\nThats their money they wont part with it.........\n
Posted By :Mags

I can't believe that Gerry is stupid enough to believe that his daughter 'missing' for 15 months has come to no harm. What abot the dogs Gerry? Why wouldnt Kate answer the questions? How did the 'abducter' get out of the appartment? Through a window with leaving no DNA? The windows were not broken or jemmied as you said? I doubt Madeliene has been harmed since leaving the appartment. ... But what happened while she was still inside ???
Posted By :Chrristine

Why is the media conspiring in this fantasy that Maddie is unharmed?It's sadly just so implausible.Highly-trained British sniffer dogs indicate otherwise and,even if she was abducted,does anyone seriously believe she is unharmed?
Posted By :Rachel

How thick does Gerry think the British public are???\nDoes he not realise that as every day passes by less and less people believe the drivel that comes out his mouth.\nIf Madeleine is found alive - I will eat my hat !
Posted By: jack

The Game's almost up. The sooner the british press realise this and stop crawling round the McCanns, the sooner it will be over. The journo to "bring it in to the public domain" will be very rich and very famous.
Posted By: dunitburger

If Madeleine can still be found Gerry,why have you and your wife never gone out and looked for her?\nI believe the dogs,they can't lie.
Posted By: mannie

The Portuguese police files show no evidence of an abduction, so why are the McCanns still following this line of enquiry.
Posted By: Amelia

I am sorry this little girl has not been found, but still alive, I think not.\n\nI think that the abductor had no choice once the circus began.\n\n
Posted By: DIANE HUTCHINSON

I find this quite ludicrous - They never looked for their daughter instead they were out jogging and swanning about. Well we just dont believe that Madeleine was abducted as there is absolutely no evidence to support this. On the other hand highly trained dogs are unlikely to be wrong and the DNA findings changed from one day to the next. It is a travesty of justice IMHO
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En wat is er vandaag te melden, niet echt hot news maar toch wel interessant imo. Nu de 'zoektocht' naar Madeleine met volle kracht wordt voortgezet, en de meest onmogelijke sightings worden gepubliceerd, bedacht ik mij opeens dat elk blond meisje eigenlijk potentieel gevaar loopt. Mensen die een moment of fame zoeken, zelfs lui die mogelijk doelbewust een look-a-like kidnappen en geld eisen, en ook pedo's an sich die kicken op dit soort verhalen en er mogelijk ook aan proberen te verdienen. Maar ook als je gewoon loopt te wandelen met je blonde kind, of met een nanny/familielid, je kan zomaar gekiekt worden en moet je aantonen dat het werkelijk Madeleine niet is. Ook dat meisje uit Molenbeek was daar slachtoffer van, de familie wilde ook absoluut geen publiciteit maar het is verdomd ergerlijk dat je kind ongewild in de krant komt op zo'n grote schaal.

Ik bedacht me dit toen ik dit verhaal las op mccannfiles.com die een artikel plaatst uit de Daily Mirror:
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"Another Brit took a picture of a girl at a bull ring in SEVILLE on May 12 and told police: "I doubt that someone who abducted Maddy on the Thursday would be visiting a bull ring on the Saturday so I suspect this photo won't help you but I thought it was better to send it anyway."An air passenger reported a sighting on a jet to the Brazilian capital SAO PAOLO. he previous year a man called police claiming to have seen Maddy at a book fair in RIO DE JANEIRO.

An eye-witness report by a British diplomat sparked a major incident in GUATEMALA when officials stopped a man in a shopping mall with a little girl. It turned out to be a local child with a bodyguard and despite an apology, her father accused the British Government of plotting to kidnap her. He demanded a formal written apology from the British Embassy."
In mijn optiek zijn de McCanns schuldig aan een mondiale witch hunt waar mogelijk onschuldige kinderen en natuurlijk de familie slachtoffer van kunnen worden...
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Ondertussen is het Claudia ook opgevallen (en ook zij plaatst er een aantal van net als ik hierboven) hoe scherp de commentaren zijn die nog steeds geplaatst mogen worden én blijven staan op Sky News nav het artikel dat "Gerry McCann states that according to him there is absolutely no evidence is the files that Madeleine has been hurt in any way."
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En verder een terug in de tijd-artikel uit The Mirror waarin Kate McCann zegt: "(...)"I never thought for one second that she'd walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left. But I knew she wouldn't walk out anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken.' Kate says she saw that Madeleine's toy Cuddle Cat had been left behind, but was careful not to touch it in case it held a clue to who took her. She says: "I knew straight away a crime had been committed, we had no doubt about that. We were very conscious of not touching things." (...)"

Dat schreef ik al eerder, als dokters weten ze donders goed dat een crimescène intact moet worden gelaten, iets wat ze dus NIET hebben gedaan. Na 40 min werd pas de politie gebeld, in die tijd zijn meubels in de woonkamer verschoven (zoals die sofa), zijn bloedsporen gevonden (Maddie’s parents accused of changing the disposition of the furniture and of washing the sofa) en is zowat half Praia da Luz in het apartement geweest....Bron en nog meer interessant nieuws van weleer op die site: Mr Woofall “heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched”

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Wat ik al schreef hierboven, men is niet meer veilig als je wandelt met een blond meisje, zelfs niet met een blond jongetje:
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Son of Croatian football player was confounded with Maddie

The madness about Madeleine McCann this time involved Dino Drpic, defense football player of the Dynamo of Zagreb The son of the defender of the Dynamo of Zagreb, Dino Drpic, was confused with the British girl Madeleine (Maddie) McCann by a few English tourists, who wanted to take him from his mother.

The madness about Maddie, kidnapped on May 3, 2007, continued this weekend in Croatia, when a few English tourists thought that they had sighted her in the island of Krk. Only that the "girl" was a boy, concretely the two-year-old son of Dino and Nives Drpic, informed today the Crotian Press.

A British girl, after seeing the fair-haired Leone Drpic, thought that it was Maddie and told her parents who also believed it was her. After taking some photos at a distance, they approached the child and tried to take Leone with them. Nives was close, but she did not realize the problem until the English woman put her arms around her son and tried to snatch him. Nives is used that the people in Croatia look at her and at her son and take photos wherever they go.

"I became suspicious when the English woman approached Leone and started chatting with him", told Nives. "In a moment she caught him by the arm, seemingly believing that nobody was watching him. Nevertheless, when I came running to the scene she realized her mistake and apologized."

Maddie disappeared one year and a half ago in the locality of Praia da Luz, in the Portuguese Algarve, and since then a series of reports spread about her sighting in several places around the world, but it was always a false alarm. by Joana Morais
Team McCann, if a child is hurt by your irresponsible obsessive actions to find Madeleine all over the world, then it is your responsibility, so stop this right now! Go to Portugal, all of you, and answer some questions, you may find out what ever happend to Madeleine...
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Ah, PM Gordon Brown heeft niet alleen veel gebeld met de McCanns, hij is zelfs naar het politiebureau in Leicester geweest, het corps wat heeft 'samengewerkt' met de Portugezen.
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Gordon Brown in Leicester, on September 12, 2007
Wednesday 12 September 2007: PM visits Leicester police station
Gordon Brown has visited a police station in Leicester to see first hand how the police are tackling crime. Accompanied by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the PM travelled to the Beaumont Leys police station in the north west of the city. During a tour of the station Mr Brown discussed neighbourhood policing and engagement with local residents and police officers. Following the visit the PM and the Home Secretary attended a Citizens Jury on the subject of crime at the Walkers. Paulo Reis
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En verder een gezellig artikel in The People, over journo Duarte Levi die foto's heeft aangeboden aan dat blad, leest u mee...
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Vile fantasist ties (sic) to sell 'dynamite' Madeleine McCann pics The People

'Photos of couple are a bombshell...I will sell for highest offer'
Exclusive by James Millbank 17 August 2008
Maddie McCann's parents are "devastated and furious" over a cruel bid to cash in on their anguish.

Grasping Duarte Levy demanded £50,000 for photographs he claims implicate Kate and Gerry in their daughter's disappearance. The 23-stone Frenchman said the "dynamite" pictures showed Kate had changed clothes suspiciously the night Maddie vanished.

Despicable Levy also made the ludicrous claim that the 24 photos he was peddling cast doubt on what Gerry and one of the couple's Tapas 7 pals told Portuguese police. Levy, who said he had close links to the cops, bragged outrageously: "These photos are a bombshell and will force the Maddie case to be re-opened."

The People refused his offers to sell the pictures - and told the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell of Levy's preposterous claims. Mr Mitchell branded Levy "a con man and fantastist".

He said: "Kate and Gerry are angry and upset that he is seeking to make money out of Madeleine - it is a disgrace. "They are no longer suspects and he should not be trying to tarnish their reputation. We thank The People for exposing this man."

A People investigator met Levy in a Brussels hotel last week. Levy said: "I will sell the photos to the highest bidder. I got hold of them through my contacts." Levy - who is in his 40s and claims to have homes in Spain, Belgium and London - said he had sold pictures and stories about Maddie for tens of thousands of pounds.

He said his new photos showed doctors Kate and Gerry, both 40, dining with their friends in Praia da Luz the night Maddie, then three, disappeared 15 months ago. Levy claimed that Kate and one of the Tapas 7 changed their clothes.

He also alleged: "The photos were taken between about 8.10pm and 10.15pm and they show that the time lines made by Gerry McCann and another Tapas 7 friend are wrong. They are dynamite." Levy cruelly scorned Kate and Gerry's belief that Maddie is still alive. He said: "I believe she died in that room during an accident and then her body was moved to a flat in the town where it was kept in a freezer."

The claim is categorically denied by the McCanns and police produced no evidence to support the theory. Levy said the pictures were taken by a Spanish tourist whose camera was later stolen. He claimed a police source tipped him off after officers found the camera, which he then bought legally.

Levy also tried to convince The People that a well-known British legal firm offered him 600,000 euros (£512,800) for the photographs. Bizarrely, he said he refused because the lawyers would not agree to his demand that the police should have copies of the pictures.

He also offered The People recordings he claimed to have of the McCanns' financial backer, double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, in a private meeting with Portuguese police. Mr Mitchell last night said he did not know if Kate changed her clothes and added: "If she did, so what?" He said: "It is no big deal that Mr Kennedy met the police.

"He is interested in all - aspects of the investigation. He is a very hands-on person." A friend of the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, said last night: "They have nothing to hide. It appears the Portuguese police are using Levy to leak negative material."
Wat Levi eerder publiceerde heb ik hier gepost, mogelijk geeft hij nog antwoord op deze beschuldiging om vet te cashen, hij zou toch moeten weten dat zoiets uitkomt, de McCanns grijpen alles aan om iemand onderuit te halen, dus ik heb mijn twijfels. Want waarom zo'n lang artikel, toch een beetje bang...? En verder zijn de McCanns weer eens furieus over het boek van Amaral: Fury as Madeleine McCann cop brings sick book to UK The People Als het boek in de UK uitkomt, nou Amaral, pas maar op: "But the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell fired a warning to Mr Amaral last night, saying: "If he seeks to publish in Britain, he and his publisher will face legal action without a shadow of a doubt." Amaral kijkt er naar uit iig: "Mr Amaral said he would RELISH a court battle with the couple to clear HIS name." Persoonlijk denk ik niet dat de McCanns hem gaan aanklagen want dan zullen ze moeten aantonen wat er wel en niet waar is.... heerlijk. Gelezen op mccannfiles.com

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Dacht ik al, op het hierboven geplaatste artikel uit The People over het cashen van Duarte Levi is al snel een antwoord gekomen van de journo zelf, in de vertaling hier gelezen, z'n eigen Franse site is hier, hij heeft alleen in Brussel gesproken met een aantal Britse journo's zoals die onderaan dit artkel is staan vermeld, hij zelf heeft dus helemaal geen foto's in zijn bezit, Gosh, those British journo's, what a load of rubbish:
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Sunday, 17 August 2008 The People: Duarte Levy's response about those photos.

Clarification concerning the article in the Sunday newspaper, The People, August 17th 2008.

The information concerning me, published today in The People newspaper, is false. Between August 9th and August 15th, I was contacted by and met with several British journalists (*) at their request, about a witness who claimed to have seen Madeleine McCann in Brussels, and about the article published by me and Paulo Reis about the existence of 24 photos, taken on the the night of May 3rd by tourists who were at the Tapas Bar.

These colleagues asked me for help, because, besides the fact that they don't speak French, they didn't know Brussels, didn't know where or to whom to direct themselves to investigate the case of the witness claiming to have seen Madeleine.

As is the rule between professional colleagues, I met with these journalists and I helped them as much as I could. As is obvious, we spoke about the Madeleine McCann case, on the information published recently on my blog and on my colleague Paulo Reis' blog. We exchanged impressions and comments. I will not repeat the comments from my English colleagues, because private conversations are private conversations - at least for principled people.

So that it is clear, I do not have in my possession, anything which is of interest to the authorities or which might concern the investigation of a crime.

Duarte Levy

(*) – Nick Fagge & Jonathan Buckmaster - Daily Express / Lucy Hagan - The Sun / Julie (?) Daily Mail / Emily Miller - The Mirror / James Millbank - The People (14 and 15 August)
Again, British journo's, go search for some real news in the UK, find some background-stories about The Paynes, The Websters, The Oldfields, Brian Kennedy, the board-members of the Madeleine-fund, why are they all supports the McCanns, anything to hide....may be???? What is so secret about Madeleine and her parents???? They won't talk for more than a year, because of this Portugese secrecy-laws, that is now lifted, let them speak up, tell us what they know, come on then! Do your job or shut up.

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We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

KM = Kate McCann, GM = Gerry McCann, CM = Clarence Mitchell, Mrs Healy = Kate's moeder, John McCann = Gerry's broer, DP = David Payne (Tapasvriend), JT = Jane Tanner (Tapasvriendin), vetgedrukt zijn de bijgevoegde commentaren van de poster:
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Certainly worthy of reflection
GM, "We have been advised our behaviour was legally well within the bounds of responsible parenting and have been assured no action will be taken." Really? And who told you that? Britney?

CM, "Kate and Gerry are realistic enough to know that Madeleine may be dead and it would be a tragedy that she is found as such, because it rules out the hope that she is alive... But any widening of the search area is encouraging and we would welcome that. If she is dead then she is dead, but not by their hand." http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)trawl-reservoir.html Ok, then. Phew, what a relief.

CM, "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material that the police may or may not have found." Good to know. But nobody would ever think otherwise.

KM "believes she is being persecuted because of her appearance," her mother revealed today. In an extraordinary interview, Susan Healy described how her distraught daughter claimed "if she was heavier” and had bigger breasts”people would be more sympathetic." Yep, that's it. It has got nothing to do with the parenting choices done that week. It's the tits.

The McCanns were said to be "emotionally torn" to learn that Portugal's biggest ever anti-paedophile operation has failed to turn up a single lead in the hunt for their four-year-old daughter, who went missing during a family holiday on May 3. http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)leine's-parents.html What?

GM just days after Madeleine's disappearance, "Kate and I have to concentrate on our own well being." I never doubted you would.

KM, "I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances." Of course not. There is absolulety no connection at all between Madeline being left alone and being missing. Was there any moron who would think such a thing?

KM, "It cannot be considered a crime. Someone committed one, but not us." Of course not. If it is well within the bounds of responsible parenting how can it be a crime. In fact, I think it is one of the most popular and well accepted suggestions on all parenting books: "Do not spend too much time with your toddlers. You need your 'me' time and they need theirs. Meals, especially, should be made separetely. You don't want to raise co-dependent children, do you?".

GM, "I know 100 per cent Kate could NOT have done anything. I know that's true from what I did that night...and in terms of what Kate knows about me, I was away from her for just ten minutes." That's very important. relationships without trust do not work.

GM, "Sometimes people do things for reasons that even they cannot understand. An act of madness, an accident or sudden impulse can lead to consequences that people may never have imagined or intended." Couldn't agree more.

GM, "It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion." http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article10632.ece Oh God, how can this possible? Oh cruel, ungrateful world. It's disaster after disaster. My heart weeps.

KM, "It was our holiday too, you know." Yeah, we know. We all know. Sadly.

KM, "We were just so into each other." Good to know. Friends are very important.

GM, "The situation that Madeleine finds herself in" Kids... Always messing up.

GM, "We want a big event to raise awareness that she is still missing... It wouldn't be a one-year anniversary, it will be sooner than that." Big plans, uh?

KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. Whoosh clunk????

GM, in Vanity Fair, The iris is "Madeleine's only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or" - he grimaces - "her abductor might do something to her eye... but in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy." And that's what really matters, isn't it? Ok, she could be hurt... But let's not be pessimistic. Such a good marketing ploy can't be ignored just like that.

CM, "We have not cooperated in any shape or form." We all know that.

CM, "An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more." Oh, you naughty boy. I wonder if Mr Murat has spoken to his lawyer.

CM, "I was the head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit. Forty people work there and their function is to control what comes out in the media." Yes, we all know that...

Gonçalo Amaral "This is very weird for an abduction". Upon hearing Gonçalo Amaral, a young inspector asked him, "Chief, do you believe Kate is responsible for the death of her daughter?" The answer couldn't be more direct, "I'm still not sure, but I wouldn't like her to be my mother." Me neither. Yikes!

GM, "we are hoping for the best possible outcome for us.... and Madeleine." Madeleine? That name sounds familiar. Who is she anyway?

KM, "At worst we were naive." Fan of euphemisms, uh?

John McCann, "Even if she has been damaged, I believe she is still recoverable." Good to know. Sounds quite simple.

GM, If the worst happened...at least she will be in a better place." I agree.

KM: " Our life is not as happy without Madeleine." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/25/ukcrime.madeleinemccann I'm so sad to hear that. My heart weeps once again.

"Kate feels after all she's been through she feels she has a lot to offer child organisations." Kids, runnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

Mrs Healy of KM: "One of her main goals in life is to work with children and assist with child safety." Don't stop. Keep runninggggggg!

DP: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business." Ok, sorry. We'll stop being nosey. You don't have to be rude.

JT: "I saw a man carrying a child in their pyjamas and I thought to myself - well he's not a very good parent - as it was a cold night." I certainly agree. What an irresponsible bastard. Bundleman should have his kid taken away by the Social Services. We all know that if the night is cold the responsible thing to do is go out and leave the kids at home. Alone. In an insecure apartment. In a foreign country. Babysitting for the 2 year old twins. Bundleman, hang your head in shame, you creep.

KM, "It was really just like being in your back garden." We know, hun. We all do it. No need to recriminate yourself more. Nothing more, nothing less than well withing the bounds of responsible parenting.

GM, "It could have been worse, we could have lost the twins too. There were three children in the room. That's the worst nightmare." I agree. You were very lucky. Margaret, of course, wan't. But you were. It's not Margaret, is it? I'm pretty sure it's an M name.

CM "...it is true that we have requested a meeting with the prime minister to show him the strength of our case, to explain Kate and Gerry's innocence and yet all we've been offered is a medium-level-consular meeting, which we rejected." http://www.mccannfiles.com/id63.html Way to go, CM. Show that idiotic, arrogant prime minister his place. Who the hell does he think he is? Does he know who he's talking to? You're in big trouble, mister.

CM, "They don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'. That is what the tabloids would like but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/11/madeleinemccann.itv Yep, we all know that either.

Susan Healy, "Well I have to say that I'm surprised that Kate and Gerry left their children at all and I've thought about it a lot because they're such caring parents and I think - why?" We all still do, Mrs Healy. We all still do.

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Het volgende quootje uit bovenstaande post staat op een filmpje welke is geknipt uit de BBC-docu: KM, "Yyyeeah, yeah you're right! (voice reaches a crescendo) It was a very small window of opportunity but they saw it and then "whoosh clunk. > "A small window of opportunity" Ook dit blijft mij verbazen...

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En verder schreven Gerry en Kate McCann de gebeurtenissen (lees: tijdslijn van de checks) van die avond op, enkele uren na de vermissing, op de covers van kinderboeken die hun kinderen vaak inkeken...De PJ meent: "The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner."

To get their stories straight??? IMO. op de site van Joana Morais
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Maddie’s book torn by the parents - Correio da Manhã

Process: PJ apprehended document that was written by the group

Hours after the disappearance of the little English girl, the McCanns used the covers of children’s story books that belonged to their daughter, to write down details of the evening.


Hours after Madeleine disappeared, the English girl’s parents tore the covers of two children’s books that the child enjoyed leafing through before going to sleep, to write down the details of the evening of the disappearance.

There, according to what can be verified by the pages that have been appended to the process, Madeleine’s parents noted the periodicity of the visits to the rooms where the various children slept and who within the group of English people had verified that nothing out of the ordinary was taking place.

The PJ appended those documents to the process on September 9 of last year, then referring that the same had been apprehended by the GNR on the night that the girl stopped being seen.

The importance of the book covers was related to the fact that the PJ considers that there was a manipulation of the testimonies – the depositions between the elements of the group were combined in a detailed manner. That was the motive why those pieces of evidence were gathered only after Gerry and Kate were made arguidos, at a time when they had already formally assumed that they were suspects.

To the authorities, it was then an important detail at that moment in the investigation, because it revealed the little girl’s parent’s concern in protecting themselves from possible responsibilities, overshadowing the preservation of objects that belonged to the child at a moment in time when she had only been missing for a few hours. Which led the authorities to admit that there could have been a manipulation of testimonies. source: Correio da Manhã 18.08.2008, paper edition by astro.
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Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 12:06 schreef Suko het volgende:
We houden nog even vol, het is bijna september en dan zijn de files voor het publiek te lezen, hoe en waar zal tzt hopelijk duidelijk worden, alhoewel deze site in een artikel meldt alles te publiceren. Vandaag maar eens wat uitspraken van en rond de McCanns, sommige was ik alweer vergeten maar dan opeens lees je ze op een rijtje en je blijft je verbazen. Claudia heeft ze gelezen op het 3arguidoforum en ik vond ze ook paatswaardig genoeg, als een reminder, hoe die lui over het een en ander denken, menen te moeten verklaren, are they for real?

Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

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Op maandag 18 augustus 2008 22:26 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Ik blijf met grote belangstelling meelezen Suko!

Interessante handtekening heb je trouwens.
Ah leuk dat je nog steeds meeleest Yyventle, soms denk ik dat Kahaarin (nu op vakantie) de enige nog zijn.maar gezien de pageviews lezen er nog steeds een aantal dit topic. Het blijft fascinerend want eigenlijk is dit volgens mij en velen all over the world de grootste coverup van deze tijd, de dood van een kind en een frauduleus fonds, door ouders, vrienden, geldschieters en mensen van de Britse overheid > inclusief de baas. En dit alles met medewerking van de Britse pers. Het is bijna niet te bevatten. Het zou kunnen dat er belangen op het spel staan, reputaties in tact houden, wát is er zo erg dat verborgen moet blijven en waarom kregen de Portugezen geen toegang tot belangrijke documenten en wat ze wisten mocht niet gebruikt worden. Met vrijwel niets moesten ze met bewijzen komen die de ouders als schuldigen moest aanwijzen. Het enige wat er uit is gekomen dat ze dat niet kunnen bewijzen, er staat nergens dat ze onschuldig zijn. Ook ontvoering is niet bewezen.

Ik zou alleen nog iets plaatsen als er echt nieuws was, zo nieuw dat de PJ de zaak kan heropenen, iets wat tot 2022 mogelijk is... Maar ik heb als argument om te blijven posten door wat er nu naar buiten komt, via Amaral, Portugees en de eerste 5 maanden leider van het politie-onderzoek én schrijver van het boek "The Truth of the Lie". Alleen Portugese kranten citeren hieruit inclusief wat materiaal uit het eindrapport die vooralsnog alleen de media nog kan inzien, het publiek dus over een paar weken. Het is belastend genoeg en ik vind het van belang dat het internet genoeg tegenwicht moet kirjgen naast de b*ll die de Britten menen te moeten publiceren. Beetje treiteren ook, aangezien het team McCann alle blogs en fora in de gaten houdt...naast erg, ergens toch ook weer heerlijk toch?!

Voorbeeldje hoe de Britse politie die verhoren in april van dit jaar heeft gehouden, in een tweede verhoor mochten getuigen hun eerdere verklaringen (gegeven in Portugal) eerst terugzien om hun geheugen op te frissen: "During the interview, he let me refresh my memory by reading the translated version of my original statement to the PJ," Catriona Treasa Sicile Baker, one of the Ocean Club's nannies admitted. She was interviewed twice on April 14th 2008 by officer Gierc of the Leicestershire police - interview recorded on DVD - and her responses were, unsurprisingly, identical to those she gave to the PJ inspectors in Portugal, especially after having been able to, "refresh," her memory.

That is exactly what the British officers did with all the witnesses who had already been interviewed by PJ inspectors in Portugal in the days following Madeleine's disappearance, departing from the principle that the interviews were designed to find possible contradictions and to check the value of the first witness statements. Letting witnesses respond after having refreshed their memory, isn't that loading the results?" Bron

Je gelooft je ogen niet als je dit leest, als je bedenkt dat men wilde zien of er verschil zou zijn met hun eerdere verklaringen.... Nogal logisch dat ook het tweede verhoor in de UK exact hetzelfde was als in Portugal. Anyway, ik heb al hier en daar gelezen dat het misschien een reden heeft dat Amaral, nu buiten dienst, naar buiten komt met een boek die feiten bevat en er komt mogelijk een vervolg. Toch wel tamelijk beschamend voor de UK en het team McCann is nerveus, als je ziet hoe men reageert nu er mogelijk foto's zijn, in de Tapasbar, op 3 mei, op die avond. Wij wachten af.

Toetje: een heel kort filmpje van PM Gordon Brown en J. Smith van BZ, die de Leicester Politie (in het district waar de McCanns wonen) met een bezoekje vereerden, op 12 sept 2007. Op 9 september, dus vlak daarvoor, keerden de McCanns terug naar de UK, 48 uur eerder werden ze tot formeel verdachten verklaard. Welnee, niks toevallig, daar komen dagelijks belangrijke mensen vanuit Londen naar toe....

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>>> Madeleine - DNA / Forensic Science Service <<<

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