Revolutie in Egypte #194: Met donkere wolken boven Egypte

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 14:07 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Vanwege zomertijd lopen wij nu gelijk met Egyptische tijd.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 11:27 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Ik ben benieuwd....hopelijk wordt het niet opnieuw uitgesteld...

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:38 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Islamisering, radicalisering, onderdrukking schending van mensenrechten en misschien zelfs wel oorlog.
Mogelijke toekomst van Egypte zal dit eens kunnen worden.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:40 schreef andre347 het volgende:

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Ongeacht de uitslag ja.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:43 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Ook feest in Gaza.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:40 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Ik denk dat met Shafiq de regio wat veiliger was geweest. Iran en Egypte zullen nu de handen ineen slaan en Papierversnipperaar kan zich melden voor de strijd tegen Israel.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:54 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Als dat gebeurt vreet ik mijn eigen schoenen op

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:55 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Let maar op, interne Islamitische geschillen verwateren dat bleek de laatste jaren al, vergeet niet dat Hamas ook wordt gesteund door zowel het Moslimbroederschap als Iran.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:38 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Islamisering, radicalisering, onderdrukking schending van mensenrechten en misschien zelfs wel oorlog.
Mogelijke toekomst van Egypte zal dit eens kunnen worden.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 17:08 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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De Salafisten haten Iran nog meer dan Israel, ze geven Iran overal de schuld van.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 17:09 schreef Doler12 het volgende:

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Oorlog is altijd goed voor de overwinnaar van een revolutie, je kunt dan perfect de oppositie opruimen en hervormingen uitstellen.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:40 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Ik denk dat met Shafiq de regio wat veiliger was geweest. Iran en Egypte zullen nu de handen ineen slaan en Papierversnipperaar kan zich melden voor de strijd tegen Israel.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 17:52 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Hoeft niet, ze graven hun eigen graf.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:38 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Islamisering, radicalisering, onderdrukking schending van mensenrechten en misschien zelfs wel oorlog.
Mogelijke toekomst van Egypte zal dit eens kunnen worden.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 16:52 schreef De_Ilias het volgende:
Het is feest, (ook bij ons in Marokko).

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 18:04 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Lijkt me niet, maar vertel eens, hoe zie jij die toekomst in wat denk jij dat er daar zal gebeuren.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 19:00 schreef nummer_zoveel het volgende:

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Ben er ook bang voor.

Niet dat het met die mensenrechten voor de zogenaamde democratie zo geweldig gesteld was in Egypte, niet dat het voor de zogenaamde democratie goed ging, maar het kan nu alleen nog maar slechter.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 19:15 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik denk dat de Arabische Lente onderdeel is van een wereldomspannende revolutie.

De VS is nagenoeg een 1-partijendictatuur, WallStr heeft de meeste politici en media in hun zak. De VS heeft het Egyptische regime omgekocht om Isra�l, het VS-bruggehoofd in het MO, met rust te laten. Heeft een deal met Saudi Arabi� om Bahrein, thuishaven van de 5e vloot rustig te houden.

Europa had dealtjes met Tunesi� en Libi� vanwege olie en Afrikaanse vluchtelingen. De EU. een dictatuur in opbouw, kraakt in zijn voegen. Gerommel in China en Rusland, opkomende economieen waar burgerlijke vrijheden steeds belangrijker zullen worden.

We live in interesting times.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:06 schreef Peunage het volgende:
Goed, verkiezingen voorbij. Egyptenaren hebben gekozen. Laat het westen Egypte nu met rust?

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:06 schreef Peunage het volgende:
Goed, verkiezingen voorbij. Egyptenaren hebben gekozen. Laat het westen Egypte nu met rust?

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:11 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Nooit natuurlijk. Maar nu moeten ze wel het dialoog aangaan met De MB.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:18 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Wat een kritiek zeg hierboven.
De MB voor het eerst aan de macht, maar men kan de toekomst al precies voorspellen. De volgende keer het Westen maar laten bepalen wie er aan de macht moet komen? Ow nee..wacht even...

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:22 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Beide kanten zullen concessies moeten doen om de veiligheid van Israel te waarborgen. Niet alleen de Egyptische kant, of zal het Westen Egypte zo snel opgeven? Lijkt mij niet.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:25 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Het was kiezen tussen de voortgang van het oude regime of iets nieuws proberen. De MB is zeker wel gematigder aan het worden vergeleken met vroeger.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:18 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Wat een kritiek zeg hierboven.
De MB voor het eerst aan de macht, maar men kan de toekomst al precies voorspellen. De volgende keer het Westen maar laten bepalen wie er aan de macht moet komen? Ow nee..wacht even...

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:32 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Ik ben daarom ook erg benieuwd naar de deal met SCAF.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 20:40 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Denk dat de nieuwe grondwet straks wel wat punten kan verraden.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 22:32 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Vuurwerk overal. En men kijkt ook naar de wedstrijd Italie - Engeland op dit moment.

En heel veel mensen schijten in hun broek nu omdat zij - onterecht - bang zijn voor de MB. En de hele strand was stil tijdens het opnoemen van de resultaten. De hele stad stond stil.

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Mohamed Mursi has called on Egyptians not to obey him if he fails to stick to the pledges he made before becoming the first freely elected president on Sunday.

The Muslim Brotherhood figure, who stepped down from his post as the head of its Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) immediately after the results were released, narrowly beat off competition from ex-prime minister Ahmed Shafiq to succeed Hosni Mubarak, who was overthrown by a popular uprising in January 2011.

Few hours after the announcement of the result, which saw Mursi garner 52 per cent of the votes, the 60-year-old gave his first speech on national TV, which was long used by Mubarak and his entourage to condemn and criminalise the Brotherhood which is now at the pinnacle of its power after decades of repression.

"I do will my best to fulfill the promises I made. I do not have any rights, I only have responsibilities which I have to meet. My people, please, help me as long as I'm fair and obeying God," he said in his trademark soft tone.

"If I do not obey God and failed to fulfill the promises, do not obey me."

In the somewhat emotional speech, Mursi tried to allay the fears of all segments of society, almost saluting every party and institution in Egypt, from the ruling military to the working class, lavishing praise on all governorates and regions of the country in the process.

Mursi also dedicated his triumph to the martyrs of last year's uprising against Mubarak saying he "wouldn't be here today as first freely elected president without the sacrifices of the martyrs and injured."

He particularly attempted to reach out to Egyptian police, which notoriously imprisoned many Brotherhood figures in the past, with their torture of citizens and the heavy-handed tactics in suppressing protests proving to be main catalysts for the 18-day uprising.

Widespread rumours suggested that Mursi might make wholesale changes in the police hierarchy to punish those officers responsible for wrong-doing against the Brotherhood. The bespectacled man, however, struck a reconciliatory tone and implied he would never seek revenge.

"I salute the honorable policemen, my brothers and sons, some of whom mistakenly think I do not regard them highly," he said.

"Those who commit any crimes are subject to law, but the honorable policemen, who are the vast majority, deserved to be saluted and appreciated. They will have a big role to play in the future to protect and secure the country."

Mursi was also full of praise for judges, some of whom traded accusations with the Brotherhood following a recent court ruling in June to dissolve the Islamist-led lower house of the parliament.

He vowed to make the judiciary independent, highlighting one of the key demands of pro-democracy and youth activists, many of whom are still camping out in the iconic Tahrir square to pressure the military into accepting their demands.

The ruling Supreme Council of Armed Forces (SCAF) incurred the wrath of many after limiting the powers of the president as it seeks to retain its influence in a country that has been ruled by army men since the 1952 coup, which ended Egypt's monarchy.

Treaties respect

Mursi has also eased worries some Western countries may have over his success.

While all official statements from Israel and United States have welcomed the outcome of Egypt's first democratic and free presidential elections, reports say they still fear an Islamist-led Egypt could pose a threat to Israel's security.

The controversial peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, struck in 1979 following the famous Camp David Accords, has been the subject of intense debate since the departure of Mubarak on 11 February, 2011.

Several presidential candidates said they would modify the accord "as to not harm national interests."

"We will honor international treaties and agreements, and will create balanced international relations based on mutual interests and respect. We will protect our borders, and reject foreign meddling in our domestic affairs," Mursi added.

"Egypt is capable of defending itself against any foreign aggression, and will protect Egyptians anywhere in the world."

Mursi also insisted his reign will not witness any kind of discrimination amid fears from the Coptic population, many of whom voted for Shafiq in the runoff vote.

"I will be president for all Egyptians, those inside the country and abroad. The people are source of all powers, and it's time for unity to rebuild our country and achieve goals of the revolution," he said.

"Together, Egyptians will create better and bright future for this nation."

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Op zondag 24 juni 2012 23:21 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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We zullen zien
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/06/24/222413.html

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 00:58 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Toch mooi dat Israel de uitkomst steunt, ik had niets anders verwacht, misschien dat het allemaal wel meevalt.

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Morsi wil banden met Iran aanhalen
Ban Ki-moon heeft de nieuwgekozen president van Egypte gefeliciteerd met zijn verkiezingsoverwinning. Ook sprak de secretaris-generaal van de Verenigde Naties lovend over de vreedzame wijze waarop de Egyptische bevolking de eerste vrije presidentsverkiezingen in de geschiedenis van het land heeft beleefd.

Mohammed Morsi, kandidaat van de conservatief-islamitische Moslimbroederschap, werd gisteren na dagen van spanning uitgeroepen tot winnaar van de verkiezingen. Hij kreeg enkele procenten meer van de stemmen dan zijn rivaal Ahmed Shafiq, de favoriet van het leger.

VN-woordvoerder Martin Nesirky zei in een verklaring dat Ban erop vertrouwt dat Morsi alles in het werk stelt om ervoor te zorgen dat democratie in Egypte kan worden uitgebouwd. Het versterken en oprichten van “sterke, onafhankelijke instituties en een bloeiende burgerlijke samenleving” zijn daarbij essentieel, aldus de VN-chef.

Morsi, op zijn beurt, liet meteen van zich horen. In een interview met de Iraanse nieuwsdienst Fars zei hij de banden tussen egypte en Iran te willen aanhalen. “Er moet een strategische balans in de regio komen.” Het gesprek vond plaats enkele uren v��r de offici�le uitslag van de verkiezingen, aldus Reuters.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 10:31 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

Reken maar dat Isra�l daar met grote argwaan naar kijkt

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 10:36 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Op zich niets mis met Iran. Behalve dat het een dictatuur is net als alle andere Arabische landen.

It is just for mutual interest - Men moet niet zo zwart/wit kijken.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 10:31 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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Ze kunnen eigenlijk niet anders wel?

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Reken maar dat Isra�l daar met grote argwaan naar kijkt

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 10:38 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Niets mis met Iran? Het is een fucking Theocratie die mensen ter dood veroordeeld voor het drinken van een biertje.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 14:14 schreef Doler12 het volgende:

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Lol onze grootste 'vriend' in het Midden-Oosten is Saudi Arabi�.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 14:16 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Israel is de grootste vriend.
Saudi-Arabi� wordt te vriend gehouden na de OPEC-affaire.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 13:55 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Ik was een keer wat positiever, en dan bijna direct zo'n bericht, lekker dan maar niet heus .

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 14:35 schreef Doler12 het volgende:

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Ik vind Turkije meer een grotere en nuttigere vriend dan Isra�l, maar daar gaat het dit keer niet om. Het westen geeft hier in niet het goede voorbeeld. "Foei Egypte contacten aanbrengen met Iran is zo stout!" Terwijl wij gewoon goede contacten hebben met een land die veel erger is.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 14:37 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

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Volgens Radio1 is het een bericht dat afkomstig is uit Iran, niet uit Egypte. Het wordt nu door de staatsomroep van Iran weer ontkent

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Op maandag 25 juni 2012 17:51 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:
Waarom zou Egypte geen relatie met Iran mogen hebben?
Alleen maar omdat de VS dat niet vindt kunnen ofzo?

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Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 12:20 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Shafik is gevlucht naar Abu Dhabi vandaag.

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Egypt court to decide fate of constituent assembly Tuesday

Supreme Administrative Court expected to rule Tuesday on constitutionality of Egypt's constitution-drafting body in a decision that will have a significant impact on the country's future

The High Administrative Court is to rule Tuesday on the constitutionality of Egypt's constituent assembly, which was chosen by the now-dissolved parliament.

If the decision is not postponed, the court will decide whether the constitution-drafting body will be dissolved or not.

The High Constitutional Court (HCC) ruled on 14 June that the parliamentary election law was unconstitutional and consequently the People's Assembly itself was deemed unconstitutional.

The court ruling put the position of the constituent assembly in jeopardy as well.

The ruling junta subsequently issued a constitutional addendum stating that if the constitution-drafting body failed to complete its task, the junta would have the right to dissolve it and form a new body.

The junta said it had issued the addendum because it thought the constituent assembly might be ruled unconstitutional and thus dissolved.

The Muslim Brotherhood, which is the largest party in parliament and whose candidate Mohamed Morsi won recent presidential elections, has stated unofficially that it would not accept the rulings junta's constitutional addendum or the dissolution of the People's Assembly.

Several Muslim Brothers have insisted that Morsi will refuse to take oath of office in front of the HCC instead of parliament, implying that it did not recognise the dissolution of parliament.

However, other Brotherhood members have said they accept the court verdicts.

Such contradictory statements suggest there are still ongoing negotiations between the Brotherhood and the junta over the parliament's future.

Prominent political figure Mohamed ElBaradei announced he was mediating between the two parties to avoid escalations.

Al Ahram

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Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 20:54 schreef Droomert het volgende:
http://natashajsmith.word(...)please-make-it-stop/

En weer een journaliste.

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Op dinsdag 26 juni 2012 20:54 schreef Droomert het volgende:
http://natashajsmith.word(...)please-make-it-stop/

En weer een journaliste.

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 08:52 schreef Hathor het volgende:
Het betekent waarschijnlijk ook dat ie hiermee zojuist zijn eigen graf gegraven heeft.

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 01:15 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Morsi heeft vandaag via een presidents uitspraak de parlement terug gebracht. Iedereen is pissed van Rechters tm SCAF.

Dit betekent in principe dat de SCAF officieel geen rechten meer heeft.

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 11:32 schreef regtur_ het volgende:

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Hoezo heeft de SCAF dan officieel geen rechten meer?

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 01:15 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Morsi heeft vandaag via een presidents uitspraak de parlement terug gebracht. Iedereen is pissed van Rechters tm SCAF.

Dit betekent in principe dat de SCAF officieel geen rechten meer heeft.

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Op maandag 9 juli 2012 08:52 schreef Hathor het volgende:
Het betekent waarschijnlijk ook dat ie hiermee zojuist zijn eigen graf gegraven heeft.

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Leger Egypte waarschuwt president Morsi voor bijeenroepen parlement

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De militaire leiders van Egypte hebben president Mohammed Morsi gewaarschuwd voor het bijeenroepen van het in juni ontbonden parlement. De Opperste Militaire Raad (SCAF) liet weten dat het verwacht dat iedereen zich houdt aan de grondwet.

Dat meldt persbureau AP. Het Constitutionele Hof oordeelde op 14 juni dat de parlementsverkiezingen van eind vorig jaar deels ongeldig waren. Daarop beval het de ontbinding van het parlement. Gisteren vaardigde Morsi per presidentieel decreet uit dat de ontbinding ongedaan maakte.

In een verklaring laat SCAF weten dat het erop “vertrouwt dat alle organen van de staat constitutionele decreten respecteert” en de militaire leiders benadrukten “het belang van de soevereiniteit van de wet en de grondwet.” Het was de eerste keer dat het leger reageerde op het decreet van Morsi.

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'Egyptische ex-vicepresident Suleiman overleden'
AMSTERDAM - Omar Suleiman, oud-vicepresident onder het regime van voormalig president Hosni Mubarak, is volgens berichten in de Verenigde Staten overleden.

Dat meldt de Arabische nieuwszender Al Arabiya.

De doodsoorzaak is niet bekend.

Mubarak benoemde Suleiman tot vicepresident tijdens de opstand vorig jaar. Hij was daarvoor chef van de Egyptische inlichtingendienst en een belangrijk bondgenoot van Mubarak.

Nadat de 75-jarige Suleiman 11 februari vorig jaar het vertrek van de Egyptische president had aangekondigd verdween hij even uit beeld. In april maakte hij bekend dat hij zich kandidaat stelde voor de presidentsverkiezingen in mei.

De autoriteiten bepaalden echter dat de voormalige spionagechef niet mee mocht doen.

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Egypt's former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman died from a rare disease affecting the heart and kidneys, according to the U.S. clinic where he was undergoing medical tests at the time.
Suleiman, who died at age 76 on Thursday, was fallen Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's last deputy and one of his most trusted advisers. He stepped briefly into the limelight when he was made vice president days before Mubarak was ousted in a popular uprising last year.

"On Thursday, July 19, General Omar Suleiman ... passed away due to complications from amyloidosis, a disease that affects multiple organs including the heart and kidneys," the Cleveland Clinic said in a statement issued on Thursday night.

It said Suleiman had checked into the clinic on Monday and the disease was discovered after he underwent multiple tests.

Preparations were under way to bring Suleiman's body home for burial. Suleiman will be accorded a military funeral in Egypt on Saturday.

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An attack on striking workers at the Al-Samoly Company for Spinning and Weaving in Mahalla on Saturday left one worker dead and four injured.
Many people at the scene blamed the company owner for being behind the attack.

The strikers caught one of the attackers and handed him over to the police.

Hundreds of striking workers had blocked the Mahalla-Mansoura road to demand the payment of late salaries, wage increases and better incentives.

Investigations into the incident are ongoing and the accused is being interrogated.

Egypt is witnessing a new wave of strikes that started when thousands of textile workers at the state-owned Mahalla Misr Spinning and Weaving Company – Egypt's largest textile manufacturer – walked out on 16 July.

Mahalla Misr Spinning and Weaving Company, which employs some 24,000 people, has seen a series of strikes over similar grievances within the last 18 months.

On Monday and Tuesday, seven other textile factories – in Alexandria, Mahalla and other cities in the Nile Delta – followed suit, declaring strikes for similar demands.

Workers threatened to revive earlier protests seen in the final years of the Mubarak era, in which thousands of workers participated.

On 6 April 2008, labour protests in Mahalla were violently attacked by security forces, leaving at least two dead.

Strikes by Mahalla's textile workers in 2006 and 2008 are widely seen as having set the stage for last year's Tahrir Square uprising, which culminated in the ouster of longstanding Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 13:50 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:
Ondertussen in Egypte

Egyptian Actors on Candid Camera Show Turn Violent When Told Channel Is Israeli

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Egypt's prosecutor-general has lifted the trading ban on stocks owned by the country's former minister of trade and industry and his wife, the state-run MENA news agency reported on Sunday.

Former minister Rachid Mohamed Rachid fled Egypt during the 18-day uprising against Hosni Mubarak. He is currently thought to be in the United Arab Emirates.

In March 2011, Misr for Central Clearing, Depository and Registry (MCDR), which trade on Egypt's exchanges, announced the names of 25 Egyptian officials and family members whose shares had been frozen due to corruption allegations. Rachid and his wife were among them.

While the trading ban on Rachid's stocks has now been lifted, others assets held by the ex-minister remain frozen.

In June 2011, the former minister was sentenced to five years in absentia after being convincted of embezzling public funds.

Shortly after, in September 2011, Rachid was handed an additional 15 years on graft charges related to the illegal sale of steel licenses. He was also fined LE1.4 billion and ordered to refund the profits he had acquired through the sale of the contracts.

Rachid served as a minister of industry and trade from 2004 to 2011, under toppled president Hosni Mubarak.

He previously served as chairman of Unilever Egypt and was responsible for Middle East business development.

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The April 6 Youth Movement calls for a large scale nationwide protest to press for the release of civilians detained in Egyptian military prisons.
Protesters are to meet at 8:00pm in Tahrir Square in Cairo on Wednesday, as well as in Fayoum, Mansoura, Damietta, Gharbeya, Tanta, greater Mahalla area and Kafr El-Zayyat.

The Ahmed Maher Front of the April 6 Movement stressed in a statement on Sunday the need for President Mohamed Morsi to release all those detained in military prisons based on "false charges" since the January 25 Revolution.

Expected to also take part in the protests are the Salafyo Costa movement, No to Military Trials Campaign, April 6 Democratic Front, the Mobadara Movement, the Egyptian Social Democratic Party and the Free Egyptian Movement.

A total of 11,879 Egyptians have been detained by the military since last year's uprising, according to figures issued by a committee Morsi established to review all cases of civilians detained by military authorities. Of these, 9,714 have since been released. In July, 572 people were granted presidential amnesty on the occasion of Ramadan.

Activists continue to call on Morsi to immediately end military trials for civilians, to issue a general amnesty for all military detainees and compensate those who were tried in military courts.

On 28 July, the April 6 Movement organised a Ramadan iftar (a meal to break the fast during the month of Ramadan) in front of the Tora Prison to express solidarity with the detained protesters.

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Op zondag 5 augustus 2012 16:37 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Egypt prosecutor lifts stock trading freeze for ex-trade minister

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Als er zulke dingen gebeuren en je neemt zulke corrupte personen aan, dan vraag ik me af hoe deze Nederlandse bedrijven in zulke landen handelen.

Bron

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Some media reports in the evening hours of Sunday have claimed that the attack which left an undetermined number of casualities among Egyptian soldiers in Sinai was executed by a military vehicle that had been earlier hijacked.

At least 11 Egyptian soldiers were killed after a vehicle bomb went off at military zone located at the borders with Gaza on Sunday, near the city of Rafah, according to Ahram Online Arabic portal.

The number of injured has not been determined yet

Investigations by authorities into the attack have been immediately opened as no group has claimed responsibility yet.

However, the Egyptian state TV claimed that elements of Islamic extremist groups situated in the peninsula of Sinai had carried out the attack by Iftar (breakfast in Ramadan), but provided no details.

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Op zondag 5 augustus 2012 22:05 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Lijkt me sterk dat Islamitische Extremisten, "moslims" gaan aanvallen tijdens de heiligste gedeelte van de dag volgens de Islam.

Bron

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Nieuwe gevechten in Sinai-woestijn

In de Sinai-woestijn zijn opnieuw gevechten uitgebroken tussen het leger en militanten, meldt de Egyptische tv. De gevechten zijn bij een politiepost in de stad al-Arish.

In het gebied is het al dagen onrustig. Zondag kwamen zestien Egyptische grenswachten om bij een aanslag op een grenspost, waarna het leger begon met een offensief. Bij een luchtaanval op schuiplaatsen van militanten vielen gisteren meer dan dertig doden.

Onduidelijk is wie achter de aanslag van zondag zit. President Morsi zegt dat de daders zullen boeten. Ook het leger van Israel houdt de zaak in de gaten.

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President Mohamed Morsi on Sunday afternoon appoints Field Marshall Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi as minister of defence and general commander of the Egyptian forces replacing Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawy, the head of the Supreme Council of Armed Forces.

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Presidnet Mohamed Morsi cancels the addendum to the constitutional declaration that was issued by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces on 17 June 2012, the presidential spokesperson Yasser Ali announced on Sunday afternoon in a televised statement.

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 17:45 schreef waht het volgende:
Ok� ze verlaten hun positie, maar gaan ze ook weg?

Weinig kans.

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 18:26 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Ze hebben pensioen gekregen en andere mensen zijn ingezworen. Anderen hebben posities gekregen in andere locaties.

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 18:34 schreef waht het volgende:

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Hadden die lui niet een groot deel van de economie in handen, of zijn dat toevallig andere leden van de SCAF?

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Op zondag 12 augustus 2012 19:07 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Klopt het dat Egypte niet alleen de acties in de Sinai aanmoedigt, maar ook zelfs toestemming moet verlenen aan het Egyptische leger (dat anders de Camp David akkoorden zou overtreden blijkbaar)?

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BREAKING 5: Morsi issues a new constitutional declaration for Egypt

President Mohamed Morsi issues a new constitutional declaration on Sunday, granting the elected president all the powers detailed in article 56 of the 30 March 2011 constitutional declaration.

The powers Morsi enjoys as per this declaration includes full executive power and legislative powers as well as the authority to set all public policies in Egypt as well as signing international treaties.

The declaration also gives president Morsi the right to form a new constituent assembly to draft a new constitution for Egypt should any future developments prevent the current assembly from doing its duties.



A full English text of the declaration will follow shortly

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Egypt's Morsi fires defence minister Tantawi
Powerful head of armed forces and chief of army staff dismissed and top commanders retired in shock announcement.

The Egyptian president has ordered the powerful head of the army and defence minister, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, into retirement and cancelled constitutional amendments issued by the military restricting presidential powers.

Mohamed Morsi announced through a spokesman on Sunday the dismissal of Tantawi and his appointment as a presidential adviser.

According to state television, Abdul-Fatah al-Sessi would replace Tantawi as defence minister and the general commander of the army.

Morsi also sent into retirement the chief of army staff, Sami Anan, and appointed him as a presidential adviser.

Lieutenant-General Sidki Sayed Ahmed was named as Anan's replacement.

Morsi further appointed a senior judge, Mahmoud Mekki, as vice-president. All decisions are effective immediately.

'Thirst for answers'

Al Jazeera's Rawya Rageh, reporting from Cairo, said that would be no exaggeration to say that no one saw this one coming.

"After the June 5th attack on a border patrol left 16 soldiers dead, the country’s leadership (both civilian and in uniform) was peculiarly quiet. Late and terse statements did not quench the public’s thirst for answers," she said.

"But no one thought the price would extend to the head of the military and his deputy. After all, both Tantawi and General Sami Enan, the two most powerful members of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), long appeared invincible – both during the period SCAF took control over the country and even after President Morsi’s election in June.

The latest moves are seen as escalating the power struggle between Morsi, who took office on June 30, and the military.

Tantawi was the head of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), which ruled the country after Hosni Mubarak was toppled as president in February 2011.

He was defence minister for nearly two decades under Mubarak.

Morsi, from the Muslim Brotherhood, and his Islamist allies did not hide their displeasure with the amendments issued by the military in mid-June curtailing the president's role and granting the army massive powers, including legislative control.

Earlier this week, Morsi sacked the head of the intelligence service.

Besides Tantawi and Anan, Morsi also ordered the retirement of the commanders of the navy, air defence and air force.

The retired navy commander, Lieutenant-General Mohan Mameesh, was named as chairman of the Suez Canal, the strategic waterway linking the Red Sea and the Mediterranean and a major source of revenues for the country.

Al Jazeera's correspondent, Sherine Tadros, reporting from Cairo, said the president's spokesperson made the surprising announcement on state television.

"There will be a lot of questions asked, especially if Morsi is able to do this," she said.

"In the coming hours, we will find out how this decision came about. All of this has happened very fast, and it was unexpected."

Al Jazeera English

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Morsi's Sunday surprise met with broad support by Egypt political forces
Political figures and groups from across spectrum voice broad support for president's Sunday move against Egypt's military, albeit with reservations in some cases

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Hundreds of Egyptians in Tahrir to support Morsi

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Op maandag 13 augustus 2012 01:03 schreef Aloulou het volgende:
Aansluitend op artikel hierboven.

Hele slimme zet van Morsi om ineens out of the blue Tantawi als Minister van Defensie verplicht met pension te laten gaan per direct en de eerder door de SCAF doorgevoerde wet terug te draaien alsmede hun wettelijke macht om wetten te maken of te herroepen. Ook andere politieke partijen zijn vooral blij met de beslissing van Morsi om de macht van het leger weer in te dammen. Die steun is essentieel in de strijd tegen het leger.

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De zet is nu aan de SCAF, wat gaan zij wanneer doen. En vooral hoe. Het lijkt erop dat als zij massaal ingrijpen er grote demonstraties tegen hen ontstaan vanuit verschillende partijen en maatschappelijke organisaties omdat men het vooral met het besluit van president Morsi eens is.

مراسم قسم نائب السيد الرئيس وقسم وزير الدفاع

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Op maandag 13 augustus 2012 01:11 schreef Aloulou het volgende:
Ik wacht het af. Ben er niet zo zeker van als jij dat bent dat zij onder een hoed spelen. Mocht het niet zo zijn is er op dit moment niets wat de SCAF kan doen direct. Even laten gaan en vervolgens kunnen zij hierop terugkomen bij Morsi omdat zij in de praktijk gewoon de machthebbers zijn ivm het leger waar zij leiding aan geven en veel economische macht ook hebben in het land. Korte termijn (paar maanden) zal uitwijzen hoe het in elkaar zit. Vooral relatie tussen Morsi en SCAF dan.

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Hosni Mubarak's last prime minister, who lost his bid for the presidency in June, said on Thursday he would return to Egypt and criticised a corruption investigation against him that would mean he is arrested at the airport if he does.
Ahmed Shafiq left Egypt after losing a presidential election to the Muslim Brotherhood's Mohamed Morsi. On Wednesday, a judge said he was on a "watch list" and would be detained at the border on his return.

"The decision to place me on a watch list is political," said Shafiq told Sky News Arabia from Dubai. "I will return to Egypt when it is suitable for me to do so."

Shafiq is under investigation over the allocation of 40,000 square meters of land to the two sons of former President Mubarak, who was ousted last year by a popular uprising against his 30-year rule.

Mubarak's sons, Alaa and Gamal, are in prison facing corruption charges. Their 84-year-old father was sentenced in June to life in prison over the killing of protesters.

Dozens of legal cases have been filed against Mubarak associates since he fell on 11 February, 2011.

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Israel is seeking to persuade Germany not to sell two submarines to Egypt, the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth on Sunday quoted anonymous Israeli officials as saying. The sources said that relations between Tel Aviv and Berlin are threatened by the sale, which they consider dangerous for Israel.

Yet the newspaper also quoted the German defense ministry as saying that the government would not endorse the deal, a step the German shipbuilding company needs to conclude the deal.

Yedioth Ahronoth pointed out that Israel hopes the German government would stop the deal, given the current sensitive circumstances in the Middle East. Israeli officials reportedly said that the deal would give a significant edge to the Egyptian navy over its Israeli counterpart.

In a statement on Sunday, the Egyptian Navy assured that the deal is going through on time, and accused the newspaper of trying to spread rumors to upset Egypt’s stability.

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Op zondag 2 september 2012 22:15 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Israel seeks to dissuade Germany from selling Egypt two submarines

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Scandal of Mubarak regime millions in UK

Investigation puts British government under spotlight for allowing members of former Egyptian dictatorship to retain assets in UK

Britain has allowed key members of Egypt's toppled dictatorship to retain millions of pounds of suspected property and business assets in the UK, potentially violating a globally-agreed set of sanctions.

The situation has led to accusations that ministers are more interested in preserving the City of London's cosy relationship with the Arab financial sector than in securing justice.

Hosni Mubarak, the ousted former president, was sentenced to life in jail in June. A six-month investigation, conducted by BBC Arabic and released in conjunction with the Guardian and al-Hayat, a pan-Arab newspaper, has identified many valuable assets linked to his family and their associates that have not been frozen.

These include luxury houses in Chelsea and Knightsbridge and companies registered in central London. One member of Mubarak's inner circle has even been permitted to set up a UK-based business in recent months, despite being named on a British Treasury sanctions list (pdf) of Egyptians who are linked to misappropriated assets and subject to an asset-freeze.

In response to the investigation, the Foreign Office said it was working closely with its Egyptian counterparts to hunt down Mubarak regime assets. The Treasury, which has a dedicated unit tasked with implementing financial sanctions, said it was confident it had acted properly. Both departments said they could not comment on individual cases.

The revelations will embarrass British ministers, who have previously expressed support for the Arab uprisings and vowed to take "decisive action" to track down and return illicit funds taken out of Egypt.

Yet 18 months on from the downfall of Mubarak, publicly-accessible records from Companies House and Land Registry indicate that the fortunes of regime figures convicted of embezzling money from Egypt remain at least partially on UK soil and untouched by British authorities.

The problem is compounded by the apparent lack of political will in Egypt when it comes to chasing former regime assets – a situation which some experts attribute to the continued influence of major players from the Mubarak era.

Egypt's government is currently pursuing a lawsuit against the UK Treasury for dragging its heels on asset recovery.

"This is a collective crime from both the British and Egyptian governments," said Dr Mohamed Mahsoob, a public investigator who led enquiries into Egypt's "stolen billions" and who has since been appointed to the country's new cabinet.

"The UK is one of the worst countries when it comes to tracing and freezing Egyptian assets," he said.

"The British are saying that they need official requests from the Egyptian government before they take any action and that until this happens they are allowing the free movement of assets and the closure of certain accounts of companies beyond UK borders, to be reinvested elsewhere under different guises in order to prevent it from being retrieved.

"This is pure political profiteering that doesn't reflect the concept of British justice and democracy that we teach in Egyptian universities.

"The UK is doing nothing less than bleeding Egyptian assets, which can only be to the detriment of the Egyptian nation."

An aggressive free-market reform programme instituted by the Mubarak regime in the 1990s and 2000s saw previously state-owned companies and landholdings shift into the hands of private businessmen at an astonishing rate. Prominent "big sharks" within the ruling NDP party – including Mubarak's playboy son and assumed successor Gamal – amassed huge riches. Popular anger with the scale of corruption was a driving force behind Egypt's revolution.

As political shockwaves from Egypt's upheaval spread throughout the region, Britain's political leaders scrambled to realign themselves with the revolutionaries.

David Cameron declared that the UK government was a friend of the Egyptian people and ready to "help in any way we can".

Three days after Mubarak's downfall, with popular pressure to recover Egypt's 'stolen billions' mounting in the street, the interim government in Cairo requested that western authorities freeze the assets of several former regime members who were suspected of embezzling public funds and hiding them in property and business interests.

William Hague, the foreign secretary, told MPs the request would be co-operated with, and government ministers promised "firm, decisive and prompt action".

Yet although Switzerland took only half an hour to begin freezing Egyptian regime assets following Mubarak's overthrow, the UK took 37 days to follow suit – a delay which critics say could have allowed assets to be liquidated and illicit funds to be moved offshore.

And while Switzerland has frozen almost �500m of suspect Egyptian assets, the UK has frozen less than a fifth of that and returned none of it to Egypt.

Meanwhile nearly half of Egypt's population lives below the poverty line, and the country's government has just agreed a controversial �3bn loan with the IMF to help stabilise its economy.

Professor Mark Pieth, one of the world's leading authorities on cross-border asset recovery, said the revelations were not surprising.

"As a citizen I would be outraged," he told the BBC. "But as a lawyer I would say it doesn't astonish me that much because I'm not sure that the rules on so-called PEPs [Politically Exposed People] are really fully implemented in the UK. The state is not bending over backwards yet to help."

He added: "Egypt had a strong relationship to the west, and quite a strong relationship to the UK for that matter.

"I'm thinking especially of all sorts of Arab banks with their subsidiaries in the City of London. If you go for a walk in the City you can see them – I'm pretty sure that Egyptian cronies of the Mubarak family and members of that system felt quite comfortable depositing money in the UK.

"It's probably cosier to bring your money to your friends at an Arab bank in the City of London.

"[For the British government] Egypt's military generals are probably still a guarantor for safety whereas the new parliament and the new president are probably looked on with reservation.

"I would expect Britain is careful not to squarely go against the remnants of the old regime."

Public records show a number of apparently unfrozen UK-based assets linked to Egyptian regime figures, some of whom are now in jail in Cairo for economic fraud. Gamal Mubarak was on a list published by the Treasury in March 2011 detailing 19 Egyptians whose assets were to be frozen.

Yet MedInvest Associates, a London-based investment firm of which Gamal was a director, has never been frozen. Gamal subsequently stepped down as director and in February MedInvest was quietly dissolved voluntarily, potentially allowing its assets to be transferred abroad beyond the reach of investigators.

Gamal Mubarak is also heavily linked with a �10m London home round the corner from Harrods department store.

The Knightsbridge house is named as Mubarak's place of address in his company filings for MedInvest and listed as the Mubarak family home on the birth certificate of Gamal's daughter, born in London in 2010.

But the property has not been frozen for investigation. Gamal is now in jail in Cairo, awaiting verdict on money laundering charges.

Another figure on the Treasury's sanctions list has actually been allowed to open a new business in the UK. Naglaa el-Ghazarley, wife of former tourism and housing minister Ahmed el-Maghrabi – now serving a five-year jail sentence in Egypt for corruption – registered Essential Designs by Nejla last November, almost eight months after the UK promised to freeze her assets.

The company's registered address in Chelsea also remains unfrozen. Tim Daniel, a lawyer specialising in asset recovery, said it was "extraordinary" that someone on the sanctions list could begin trading in the UK in this way.

Judge Assem el-Gohari, the official in Egypt's ministry of justice responsible for tracing stolen funds, insists that he has challenged the UK authorities over their inaction, but was told in response that British investigators need more information to proceed.

"The British government is obliged by law to help us but it doesn't want to make any effort at all to recover the money. It just says: Give us evidence. Is that reasonable?

"We're in Egypt. How can we search for money in the UK? We believe the UK has breached international law and the anti-corruption agreements."

Alistair Burt, minister for the Middle East and North Africa, denied Britain was not doing enough. "We are working closely with their [Egypt's] authorities to identify and restrain assets their courts have identified as stolen," he said.

"It is crucial that the recovery and return of stolen assets is lawful. It is simply not possible for the UK to deprive a person of their assets and return them to an overseas country in the absence of a criminal conviction and confiscation order.

"We are therefore working closely with the appropriate authorities in Egypt to help them understand the legal process and how to work with it effectively and efficiently, including through expert-to-expert contacts in the UK and Cairo, the signing of a memorandum of understanding on intelligence sharing with the Egyptian financial intelligence unit, and increased police-to-police intelligence co-operation."

Andy Slaughter, the shadow justice minister, said the evidence unearthed by the investigation showed that the UK government is "effectively turning a blind eye" to money stolen from the Egyptian people.

"Twenty minutes work by officials could have identified very substantial assets belonging to the old Egyptian regime. We used to be a place where international justice was seen to be done, and now we're turning a blind eye to every type of abuse," he said.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 11:16 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:
Toppie hoor, tegenwoordig de nieuwslezeressen lekker met hoofddoek op de TV

Maar we gaan niet terug in de tijd hoor en de MB heeft helemaal geen invloed, neuh.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:21 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Dit was al zo voor de Mubarak tijdperk. Sinds 20 jaar mochten vrouwen niet met hoofddoek op staatstv tevoorschijn komen.

Nu hebben ze de keuze, wil je het aan doen, geen probleem. Wil je het uit doen, geen probleem.

Een keuze die je hoort te hebben als persoon. Dat is vrijheid. Iets wat je dus onder Mubarak - Die gesteund werd door het westen - niet kreeg.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:23 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Jaja vrije keuze.

Het heeft vast NIETS te maken met religieuze dwang en indoctrinatie.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:23 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Jaja vrije keuze.

Het heeft vast NIETS te maken met religieuze dwang en indoctrinatie.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:33 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Wie probeer je nou te indoctrineren?

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:33 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Ze werd 's ochtends wakker en dacht opeens: he, ik ga een hoofddoek dragen, gewoon voor de lol.

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Op maandag 3 september 2012 12:33 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Ze werd 's ochtends wakker en dacht opeens: he, ik ga een hoofddoek dragen, gewoon voor de lol.

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Mona Salah, wife of Ahmed Shoman, an Egyptian military officer who was detained in 8 April 2011 after taking part in protests in Tahrir Square, said that she had been told by presidential sources that the detained military officers would be released on Monday.
In addition, Lieutenant Ahmed Abu El-Hassan, 25 years old, who was released in April this year along with some of his colleagues, told Ahram Online that: "I think five officers will be released on Monday, but they are still in the detention cells."

Shoman is one of dozens of army personnel who have been detained for joining protesters in Tahrir Square during and after the 2011 uprising.

Around 22 officers were arrested on 8 April 2011 during one of the square’s trademark million-man demonstrations. Some have already been given prison sentences while others are still being tried in military courts.

Salah stated on ONTV satellite channel that she had received call on Monday from a presidential source who informed her of the news.

Shoman's wife says that the release of her husband will be "considered a victory for the January 25 Revolution."

Officer Ahmed Shoman, who was given a suspension in rank promotion by the military court, was initially arrested following the departure of former president Hosni Mubarak for his involvement in protests in Tahrir Square in the days leading up to the president's ouster.

However, under pressure from demonstrators and activists, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) pardoned him a few days later. The ruling military council then issued an official statement saying that it would no longer tolerate such acts.

Shoman, however, opted to join protests in Tahrir Square again on 22 November, during the violent clashes between protesters and Egypt's security forces on Mohamed Mahmoud Street.

The court charged Shoman with several offences, including undisciplined military behaviour, filming videos while wearing military uniform and publishing them via various media, absence from his unit, neglecting to obey military orders and stating political views through satellite channels.

Shoman's wife stressed that her husband got involved in the protest to show his support and solidarity with his colleagues, who withstood the Mohamed Mahmoud clashes.

These clashes left dozens killed and hundreds injured after civilians and security forces faced off after police personnel tried to forcibly disperse a sit-in in Tahrir.

Retired General Tarek Wadia, father of Mohamed Wadia, one of detained officers, said that he met with Amr El-Laithy, member of the presidential advisory council, who denied knowing the date of his son's release on the same satellite television show.

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The UK government has failed to freeze the assets of former members of the ousted Mubarak regime, an ongoing investigation by BBC Arabic revealed Monday.
The assets of 19 individuals – mainly former Egyptian officials and their relatives, including the former president and his two sons – were supposedly frozen by the UK government in March of last year in the wake of Egypt's Tahrir Square uprising.

A six-month-long BBC Arabic investigation, released in conjunction with the UK's Guardian newspaper and pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat, however, claim that assets worth millions of pounds sterling – including property in Knightsbridge and Chelsea, along with UK-registered companies belonging to the 19 individuals in question – had been found to have been unfrozen by the UK government.

These assets "have direct connections to the names on the official sanctions list, and yet have not been frozen," a Monday statement released by the BBC read.

Many of the names on the list have not been convicted for financial corruption, having been tried in Egypt. These names include Hosni Mubarak and sons Gamal and Alaa, who were acquitted in June of bribery charges in what was dubbed Egypt's "trial of the century."

Mubarak's two sons, however, still face money laundering charges in a Cairo court.

Others, however, have been found guilty of corruption in cases mainly related to the sale of state land at reduced prices. For example, former tourism minister Zoheir Garana, whose name is included on the list, was sentenced to eight years in prison last September for corrupt financial practices.

The UK government claims to have frozen a total of �85 million ($133 million) worth of Egyptian assets.

Nevertheless, investment firm MedInvest Associates, a London-based company headed by Gamal Mubarak, was never frozen, the Guardian reported on Monday, adding that the firm was simply left to dissolve of its own accord. The British newspaper, however, failed to indicate whether the younger Mubarak actually owned shares in the company.

Similarly, the Guardian pointed to a property worth 10 million British pounds, to which Gamal Mubarak, the paper asserted, is "heavily linked." The property in question – a residence in the upscale London district of Knightsbridge – "was listed as the Mubarak family home on the birth certificate of Gamal's daughter, born in London in 2010," the Guardian reported.

Notably, the Guardian goes on to report that Naglaa El-Ghazarley, wife of former housing minister Ahmed El-Maghrabi, who was convicted in Egypt on corruption charges, was allowed to open a new business in the UK months after her name appeared on the UK Treasury's financial sanction list in March of last year.

El-Ghazarley formally registered her business, "Essential Designs by Nejla," last November.

The Egyptian authorities, for their part, have expressed disappointment with the UK government's seemingly feeble efforts to recover Egyptian assets abroad.

Earlier this year, Assem El-Gohary, assistant minister of justice and chairman of Egypt's Illicit Gains Authority (IGA), charged that UK authorities were not cooperating enough.

"The Egyptian government should sue the UK Treasury to force it to be more cooperative and provide more information about frozen assets," an informed judicial source told Ahram Online in April.

The source went on to accuse the British government of "just paying lip service," when it came to the issue of repatriating Egyptian assets in the UK. "Following 13 months of meetings and consultations, the IGA concluded that taking the UK Treasury to court was the only option left," he told Ahram Online.

Egypt's government is currently taking legal action against the UK Treasury for the latter's perceived reluctance to cooperate with Egypt.

In hopes of pre-empting any potential embarrassment, Downing Street is reportedly planning to send a legal expert – with considerable experience in asset recovery – to Cairo to aid Egypt in its quest to recoup lost assets, an informed UK source told Ahram Online.

A BBC documentary detailing the findings of the investigation will air on BBC Arabic on 3 September at 19:05 (GMT). A shorter version of the same investigative report will air on BBC Two at 22:30 (GMT) the same day.

British media, especially the Guardian, has its own unique history regarding Egypt's revolution. On 4 February of last year, during the 18-day uprising that ultimately unseated Mubarak, it ran a story quoting "experts" who said that Mubarak's personal fortune could stand at as much as $70 billion.

Despite the unrealistic nature of the figure given the size of Egypt's economy, the Guardian's speculation at the time fuelled the anger of anti-regime protestors and fed the outrage of everyday Egyptians, with local media quoting the British newspaper's far-fetched report as fact.

The reports also served to unrealistically raise the expectations of many Egyptians for a quick economic recovery upon the repatriation of the pilfered assets.

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Switzerland has frozen additional assets of former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and his associates, increasing the total to around $700 million (SFr688 million), the Swiss Federal Prosecutor’s Office has confirmed.

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Former presidential candidate Ahmed Shafiq said he is capable of taking revenge on his enemies in Egypt while he is in the UAE.

“I’m not out of tricks and I am able to say the right word at the appropriate time, but I want us in Egypt to reach democracy,” he added.

In his first television interview after the presidential election, Shafiq told Dream 2 satellite channel on Saturday that his arrest was not ordered in Egypt but rather he was only put on the arrivals watchlist.

In late August, the public prosecution put Shafiq, who currently resides in the UAE, on the arrivals watchlist after former MP Essam Sultan accused him of selling a plot of land owned by a pilots association to the sons of ex-President Hosni Mubarak at a below-market price.

Regarding his presidential nomination, Shafiq said that he met former Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi in order to find out what the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces thought of his decision to run for president, adding that he did not ask for their support.

“A number of members of the SCAF rejected my nomination for the presidency,” he said, adding that his opponents harmed him by claiming he was the SCAF’s secret candidate in the election.

Shafiq said accusations that he remains outside Egypt to escape imprisonment do not befit his long experience and service for Egypt. “I prefer to stay away to fix the situation, and I am fully aware when the right moment to come back to Egypt is. I am the one who can best tell when that moment is,” he said.

“President Mohamed Morsy does not want me questioned and imprisoned but there are other ill-intentioned people who are running a campaign against me.”

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Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:54 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Je zou gerust kunnen zeggen dat het internationale feestje van de NUM in Teheren voor het Iraanse regime verpest is door de nieuwe Egyptische president. Nochtans hebben we na de revolutie nog gezien dat Egypte toestond dat Iraanse schepen door het Suez-kanaal gingen? Kunnen we verwachten dat dit in de toekomst uitgesloten zal worden?

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Op zondag 9 september 2012 19:54 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Je zou gerust kunnen zeggen dat het internationale feestje van de NUM in Teheren voor het Iraanse regime verpest is door de nieuwe Egyptische president. Nochtans hebben we na de revolutie nog gezien dat Egypte toestond dat Iraanse schepen door het Suez-kanaal gingen? Kunnen we verwachten dat dit in de toekomst uitgesloten zal worden?

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Op zaterdag 15 september 2012 19:05 schreef rakotto het volgende:
In Egypte heeft de minister van "Justice" het over het terugbrengen van de Emergency Law en waarom het belangrijk is. Dat verklaart waarom er nog steeds rellen zijn in Egypte en vooral op die schaal. Nog steeds de dictatuur-eigenschappen dus.

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Op zaterdag 15 september 2012 19:07 schreef Joost-mag-het-weten het volgende:

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Met Mursi krijgen ze gewoon een andere dictatuur hoor. Hij heeft eerst de legertop naar z'n hand gezet , wat overblijft van het mubarak-regime verwijderd en nu volgt de rest ...

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Egypt's former minister of interior Habib El-Adly reportedly owns 42 palaces and villas, 75 feddens and a 'fleet' of luxury cars, state-owned Al-Ahram daily newspaper reported on Saturday.
Al-Ahram has obtained official documents which will be handed to the country's illicit gains authority that include details about El-Adly's wealth, which is estimated at LE18 billion ($3 billion).

El-Adly and ousted strongman Hosni Mubarak are currently serving life sentences for failing to prevent the killing of protesters during last year's uprising.

Most of the former interior minister's properties are located in Sharm El-Sheikh, the North Coast, Mohandiseen and Zamalek, all in wealthy neighbourhoods.

El-Adly owns a villa in satellite 6 October City surrounded by a bulletproof glass fa�ade, according to Al-Ahram.

It is reported that there are other undisclosed properties that have been registered under the names of his relatives.

In July 2011, El-Adly was sentenced to five years in prison for squandering public funds in the infamous number plates case. Earlier that same year the former interior minister was handed a 12-year sentence for corruption charges related to using his senior position to illegally gain profits.

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Op zaterdag 15 september 2012 23:12 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Wealth of former Egyptian interior minister estimated at $3 bln

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Op zaterdag 15 september 2012 19:05 schreef rakotto het volgende:
In Egypte heeft de minister van "Justice" het over het terugbrengen van de Emergency Law en waarom het belangrijk is. Dat verklaart waarom er nog steeds rellen zijn in Egypte en vooral op die schaal. Nog steeds de dictatuur-eigenschappen dus.

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An Egyptian was "tortured" to death and another shot dead by police north of Cairo, a human rights group said Thursday, urging authorities to act over what it said was an extremely dangerous development.

The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, a leading NGO in the country, said several officers from the village of Mit Ghamr in Daqahliyah province were behind the September 16 deaths.

It said it has "collected evidence including medical certificates, photographs and videos" to back its accusations.

The group said the incident occurred when police raided cafes in the village, beating people and breaking furniture.

Village residents protested outside the police station and one of them, Atef al-Menassi, went to the police to file a complaint against an officer.

"He was then attacked by the officers and policemen with rife butts and tortured," the rights group said.

"They did the same thing with another resident, Mustafa Mohammed Mustafa, who accompanied Atef."

Later "the two men were released, but Atef was unconscious and he died on the way to hospital," it said.

Clashes erupted after his death, with locals throwing rocks at police who first fired in the air and later at demonstrators, killing Mohammed Abdel Abdellatiff "in cold blood" and seriously wounding another in the head.

Karim Annara, an official with the rights group, said: "This is not an isolated incident" and shows that the police force "is more like an armed gang... the torture and murder are increasing by the day."

He called on the authorities to intervene and put an end to this "extremely dangerous development."

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A Coptic Christian group has rejected a report by Egypt's official statistics agency which estimated the community's population at 5.13 million.
The Coptic Church estimates the community at 15-18 million, the Copts of Egypt Coalition said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Church's statistics are more reliable than those of the Central Agency for Public Mobilisation and Statistics (CAPMAS), because it carries out population density checks every three months, the coalition said.

Non-Orthodox Churches, which make up 5 per cent of Christians in Egypt, also carry out similar checks, the coalition added.

The 5.13 million figure quoted by CAPMAS is actually the number of Copts living abroad, not the number living inside Egypt, according to the coalition.

The report, published by CAPMAS head Abu-Bakr Al-Gendy, could affect the status of Christians under the new constitution which is being drated these days, the coalition asserted.

Gihan Sadat, wife of former president Anwar Sadat, stated during her husband's rule that Coptic Christians in Egypt numbered around 6 million, the coalition claimed, at a time when the total population was 51.7 million.

The current Egyptian population is around 85 million.

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Egypt's liberal and leftist political forces announced they were uniting under a super alliance entitled "Egyptian Patriotism," uniting three recently formed liberal coalitions, in order to effectively put pressure on the Islamist-dominated Constituent Assembly at a meeting Wednesday.
The key players, who met at the home of the head of the Constituent Assembly's Political Committee Ahmed Boraie, include eliminated presidential candidates Hamdeen Sabbabi and Amr Moussa, Socialist Popular Alliance Party leader Abdel-Ghaffar Shokr, Wafd Party leader El-Sayed El-Badawi and members of the Egyptian Social Democratic Party.

Ghad Al-Thawra Party head Ayman Nour and Free Egyptians head Ahmed Said also attended.

The non-Islamist coalition agreed to collectively withdraw from the constitution-drafting committee by the beginning of October, on the grounds that it continued to be "unrepresentative of Egyptian society."

The incumbent assembly has witnessed mass walkouts since its inauguration in June, leaving a largely Islamist membership to continue drafting the national charter, adding to accusations that the constitution will only serve Islamists' interests.

Following the meeting, prominent activist and Egyptian Patriotism member George Ishaq told independent channel ONTV that the coalition "will draft an alternative constitution."

During Wednesday's inaugural meeting, the Egyptian Patriotism coalition also agreed to start nationwide protests next Saturday. Coalition members are expected to meet again on Friday to discuss matters further.

The membership of Egyptian Patriotism will unite three liberal coalitions launched within the next week. Sabbahi established the Popular Current on Saturday, a coalition of politicians, intellectuals, religious leaders and families of those killed during the 2011 uprising. Amr Moussa launched the Egyptian Conference Party, an umbrella group of 25 political parties, last Tuesday. The Democratic Revolutionary Coalition, which Adel-Ghafar Shokr is member of, was inaugurated last Thursday uniting 10 Leftists parties.

Mohamed ElBaradei's Constitution Party was notably not present at the meeting despite media outlets claiming the contrary. On Thursday, the party clarified its position on its official Facebook page affirming "the party is not part of any coalition."

Egyptian Patriotism members are expected to meet on Friday to finalise the coalition's upcoming plans.

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Getrouwen van de afgezette Egyptische president Hosni Mubarak zijn woensdag vrijgesproken van het organiseren van de beruchte 'kamelenaanval' op demonstranten tijdens de opstand van vorig jaar.

De rechtbank achtte alle 24 verdachten onschuldig, meldde persbureau MENA.
Onder de verdachten waren ook de voorzitters van de beide kamers van het parlement, Fathi Surur en Safwat al-Sherif.
De laatste was ook secretaris-generaal van de inmiddels opgeheven Nationale Democratische Partij van Mubarak. De verdachten waren aangeklaagd voor ''het aanzetten tot moord en doodslag op demonstranten''.
Berucht
De beruchte 'Slag van de Kamelen' vond plaats op een van de gewelddadigste dagen van de opstand vorig jaar.
Op 2 februari 2011 verzamelden demonstranten zich op het Tahrir-plein in Ca�ro, toen Mubarak-aanhangers zich met paarden en kamelen een weg door de menigte baanden. De ontstane chaos ontaardde snel in gewelddadige confrontaties.
De kamelenaanval werd gezien als cruciaal voor massa's mensen die toen besloten zich bij de protesten tegen het regime aan te sluiten. Mubarak werd uiteindelijk op 11 februari verdreven na drie weken van massale demonstraties, waarbij 846 doden vielen en 6000 gewonden.

موقعة الجمل ٢� ١١ | 2011 The Camel Battle

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Op zondag 21 oktober 2012 14:51 schreef Aloulou het volgende:
Hoe kan die constitutie zo ontzettend snel al deels af zijn? In Tunesie duurt het nu bijna een jaar (23 oktober precies 1 jaar) en is die pas in grote lijnen af maar waarschijnlijk niet op tijd. Vervolgens moet twee-derde van het parlement er mee instemmen. Als dat niet lukt wordt het een referendum. Hoe zit dat in Egypte eigenlijk? Referendum ook?

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Op zondag 21 oktober 2012 18:07 schreef johnnylove het volgende:
ff iets anders. Lol

Disalata: Hobba Egyptian Style/ هوبا ايجيبشان ستايل

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Op zondag 21 oktober 2012 18:16 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Wanneer de constitutie helemaal compleet is, wordt er een referendum gehouden waarin men ja of nee kan kiezen op de hele referendum.

De constitutie is ook niet vanaf de eerste zin geschreven. Ze hebben de vorige constitutie alleen aangepast en dingen toegevoegd/verwijderd.

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Co-founder of the 6 April Youth Movement and member of the Constituent Assembly Ahmed Maher announced Wednesday that representatives of non-Islamist forces inside the assembly could stage a mass walkout if the assembly does not revise the current draft constitution taking into consideration the feedback it received from these groups.
In a news conference Wednesday, the youth group leader said that unequal representation and the domination of the Islamist current in the assembly led to a generic draft constitution due to the lack of elaborate and specific discussion.

The movement criticised Article 145 of the current draft that pertains to the president's powers and Cabinet formation. The group deemed the article indecipherable in failing to specify the process of choosing a government or its jurisdiction.

Article 145 has met with similar criticism from other political groups who argue its ambiguity opens the way for authoritarianism, adding it must be revised to be made clear.

Apart from this demand, non-Islamist groups are calling for nine other modifications to made to the current draft — mostly demanding a more precise phrasing of certain articles. One such modification is to clearly state the prohibition on establishing political parties on religious grounds. Another modification is to add the sentence, "It is not allowed to physically or mentally torture either by actions or words" to the article that states "Human dignity is a right for every human."

The 6 April Youth Movement also demands the addition of a separate article that bans discrimination between citizens on the basis of gender, religion, or origin, which is currently part of Article 2 in the rights and freedoms section.

The draft constitution, released 10 October, was criticised by most centrist and liberal parties. Some of these parties have been objecting to the makeup of the Constituent Assembly and demanding the formation of a new body with more balance between Islamist and non-Islamist parties.

The Constituent Assembly still faces the risk of dissolution pending a verdict by the Supreme Constitutional Court on the constitutionality of its current composition.

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A number of patients at Qasr El-Aini hospital were injured during clashes with nurses and security guards on Wednesday night.

The patients, who had suffered serious injuries during the January 25 Revolution, were trying to leave the hospital to attend a celebration in their honour when they were attacked, one of the patients said.

Hospital security and management claimed the patients and their relatives had assaulted nurses and thrown rocks at security guards, leaving four nurses injured.

Military police summoned to deal with the violence arrested four patients plus four others who insisted on accompanying them. The four arrested patients were subsequently released.

Ahmed Harara, a prominent activist who lost one eye during the 18-day uprising against the Mubarak regime and a second during the Mohamed Mahmoud Street clashes in November 2011, said this was not the first time patients injured during the revolution had faced ill-treatment and assaults by hospital security guards and nurses.

Military police also assaulted them when they arrived on Wednesday night, Harara told Al-Bedaya Online Website.

The patients did not initiate the original clashes because they were too weak, he added.

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The Justice Ministry has drafted new legislation that would impose harsher punishments for police torture.

The bill stipulates that in deaths resulting from police violence, the perpetrators will be charged with premeditated murder, according to a copy obtained by Al-Masry Al-Youm.

Police who are referred to court in such cases often face charges of beating the victim to death, which carries a lighter sentence than murder.

Policemen or public employees who torture or order the torture of citizens, causing them physical or psychological harm to obtain a confession or information, to punish them for a crime or on a discriminatory basis will be sentenced to rigorous imprisonment, according to the draft law.

That penalty would also apply to authorities who incite or are silent about such acts.

The ministry also wants police who arrest or detain citizens without legal grounds to receive prison sentences between one and 10 years and fines up to LE30,000.

Police brutality, corruption and torture were some of the primary factors that fueled the 25 January revolution. Former President Hosni Mubarak’s police force was notorious for torturing suspects, often to death, and committing human rights violations.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 12:44 schreef Peunage het volgende:
Een beetje laat, maar hoe zit het met de troepen die in de Sinai zaten, zijn die al teruggetrokken of zitten ze er nog?

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 14:26 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Zitten er nog en er word nog met hun gevochten/gehandeld.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 15:03 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Haha, ik denk niet dat Morsi ze nog laat terugtrekken Die zitten daar voorlopig wel goed.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 15:05 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Ik denk ook niet dat ze er snel klaar mee zullen zijn. Ik geef het een jaar of 5 om het helemaal schoon te maken daar. Sinai is de afgelopen 30 jaar een achtergesteld regio geworden dankzij veel aspecten in het verleden.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 15:08 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Ik hoop dat ze blijven zolang ze willen. Alleen al omdat ze een doorn in het oog van Israel zijn.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 15:10 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Die spelen ook een grote rol in dit probleem dankzij de Camp David-akkoord. Volgens die akkoord moet er een bepaalde quota zijn van de aantal politiemensen en leger personeel. Dat was dus te weinig en dan krijg je een gebied dat niet te controleren is.

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Op donderdag 8 november 2012 15:11 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Maar Israel wil juist dat de Egyptische troepen zich terugtrekken uit de Sinai, of niet?

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Op zaterdag 23 juni 2012 18:05 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Ik denk dat het Egyptische leger hoopt op een soort van voorheen Turks construct, waarbij de seculiere staat wordt gevestigd en beschermd wordt door het leger, koste wat het kost.

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Salafisten in Ca�ro eisen de sharia

_{Toegevoegd: vrijdag 9 nov 2012, 16:24}

Meer dan 10.000 aanhangers van de radicaal-islamitische salafistenbeweging hebben in Ca�ro betoogd voor invoering van de sharia in Egypte. Ze eisen dat de Moslimbroederschap, de partij van president Morsi, zijn invloed gebruikt om deze streng islamitische wetgeving in de grondwet te verankeren.

Het opstellen van een nieuwe grondwet is een bron van discussies en conflicten tussen gematigde en orthodoxe moslims in Egypte. Liberale moslims willen dat de sharia hooguit een kleine rol speelt, terwijl de salafisten de hele grondwet erop willen baseren.

Commissie
Salafisten uit heel Egypte waren voor de betoging naar het Tahrirplein gekomen. Leden van de Moslimbroederschap van president Morsi deden niet mee aan de betoging, maar volgens waarnemers staan ze wel achter de eisen van de demonstranten.

De 100-koppige commissie die bezig is met het schrijven van de grondwet, wordt geleid door de Moslimbroederschap. In de commissie zitten 8 vrouwen en 8 christenen. Het is de bedoeling dat de grondwet nog voor de jaarwisseling in een referendum aan de Egyptenaren wordt voorgelegd.

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Egypt has recovered around $1.8 billion in funds and lands corruptly appropriated by Mubarak-era figures, the state-run daily newspaper Al-Ahram reports on Sunday.
Investigations starting a month after Egypt's January 25 Revolution began in 2011 were fruitful and made it possible for Egypt to retrieve these funds last month, said Deputy General Attorney Adel El-Said on Saturday.

The governmental authorities are working now on banking up around $9 billion from specific persons working under the ousted president Mubarak’s umbrella who have been found guilty of corruption.

According to Egypt's newly-elected president, Mohamed Morsi, the recuperated funds will be deposited in a new account at the Central Bank no. 333/333.

Morsi encourages citizens and Egypt-based expatriates to support the Egyptian economy with financial donations through the same account.

In August, Egypt’s Ministry of Justice considered forming a committee to trace and recover Egyptian assets moved overseas by members of the old regime.

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Egyptian Minister of Interior Ahmed Gamal El-Din announced on Monday a reshuffle within the ministry, affecting the security directorate and the minister's aides.
The reshuffle covered nearly 100 leading positions in the ministry throughout the country including 100 major police generals and nine security directorates, including Gharbiya, Alexandria, North Sinai, Assiut, Aswan and Sohag.

The minister has also created two new divisions within the ministry: a human rights section headed by Major-General Hussein Othman, the former ministerial aide for the West Delta zone, and a social communication sector headed by Major-General Abu Bakr Abdel Karim, the former secretary of the media and public relations department.

The interior ministry has been subjected to criticism recently for committing human rights violations and abuses against citizens at police stations across the country, as reported by human rights organisations.

Many activists have objected to some of the decisions made in the recent reshuffle, including the promotion of Khaled Ghorba, the former head of the security directorate in Alexandria who is also accused of supervising the torture of activists during the Mubarak era. Ghorba has been promoted to become the ministerial aide for the social security sector.

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 08:31 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:
http://www.powned.tv/nieu(...)_faraobeelden_1.html



Arabische lente

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Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 13:35 schreef Drifter__ het volgende:

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Wie is Murgan Mustafa?

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Magdi Mohamed, campaign coordinator for former presidential candidate and former Arab League chief Amr Moussa, was slapped with a ten-year jail sentence on Tuesday by a Luxor criminal court after being found guilty of forging citizens' signatures in support of Moussa's candidacy.
Mohamed, who is reportedly still at large, was found to have used some 600 national identification cards in the Upper Egyptian city of Luxor to forge signatures supporting Moussa's presidential candidacy.

Mohamed was reportedly aided by his brother, who works at a local government registrar's office.

Mohamed's brother, meanwhile, was ordered by the court to pay an LE500 fine.

Another employee of the registrar's office, Mohamed Hussein, was sentenced to five years in prison for involvement in the scheme.

The head of the registrar's office, however, was acquitted of all charges.

Moussa, who came in fifth place in Egypt's June presidential election, has denounced the forgeries, asserting that he had not been told of the scheme.

The lawsuit against the defendants was initially filed by campaign coordinators for former presidential candidates Abdel-Moneim Abul-Fotouh, Mohamed Selim El-Awa and Hazem Abu-Is

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:11 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Ik heb het over de Amerikaanse defensieve en financiele steun naast de zaak dat Egypte overeind wordt gehouden door Amerika. Zonder Amerika stort Egypte dus bijna helemaal in.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:32 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Dat waar jij het over hebt is de 2 miljard dollar per jaar steun. Dus een miezerig bedrag. Veel Egyptenaren hebben duizendmaal gezegd dat het wel opgezegd kan worden omdat Egypte zonder kan.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:36 schreef johnnylove het volgende:
Waarom denk je dat overheid zoveel moeite doet voor die 4,5 miljard bij IMF?

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:38 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Om zogenaamd de economie op stand te houden en buitenlandse investeerders naar Egypte toe te trekken. Alle politieke partijen zijn hier fel tegen omdat de 4.5 miljard via een andere manier behaald kan worden.

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:43 schreef johnnylove het volgende:

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Dus hebben ze harde dollars nodig op de korte termijn.

Zie hier bv

http://www.imf.org/extern(...)gy/eng/curegy.htm#IV

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Op donderdag 15 november 2012 20:32 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Dat waar jij het over hebt is de 2 miljard dollar per jaar steun. Dus een miezerig bedrag. Veel Egyptenaren hebben duizendmaal gezegd dat het wel opgezegd kan worden omdat Egypte zonder kan.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 08:48 schreef DeParo het volgende:
Ik denk dat jij die afhankelijkheid aardig onderschat. Elk jaar financiele steun en dan ook nog de economische afhankelijkheid, dat is niet miezerig, je hebt er weinig kaas van gegeten.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 10:01 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Het is alleen dat 2 bedrag van 2 miljard dat door USA aan Egypte wordt gegeven. Een bedrag dat niet zoveel uitmaakt. Als het gaat waarom Egypte oorlog wil voorkomen dan komt het door stabiliteit in het land zelf, wat men wilt en omdat Israel nou eenmaal waarschijnelijk sterker oorlog materiaal heeft.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 10:02 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Onzin, iedereen weet hoe afhankelijk Egypte is van Amerika, daar had Mubarak z'n hele machtsbasis uberhaupt aan te danken omdat bepaalde voorgangers liever oorlog voerden.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 10:26 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Nee, Mubarak had alleen eigen interesse samen met zijn clique. Als hij de economie niet om zee had geholpen, dan was dat allemaal niet nodig geweest. Egypte is altijd een rijke land geweest en dat is na Sadat zo gebleven. Alleen werd het geld anders verdeeld waardoor er armoede is ontstaan.

Dat geld is er nog steeds, alleen nu is het de taak aan Morsi, regering en de komende parlement om dat allemaal goed te verdelen.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 11:12 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Mubarak kon aan de macht blijven na Sadat doordat ze de recessie minder erg wisten te maken en met Amerikaanse hulp de economie wisten te redden. Het is daar geen vetpost geweest natuurlijk maar de enige reden dat Egypte niet volledig instort is dankzij Amerikaanse steun. Dankzij die steun konden er wel netwerken ontstaan en Mubarak heeft inderdaad veel aan corrupte meegewerkt, uiteraard en een eerlijke verdeling was er niet, maar de Egyptische economie bleef onder hem wel overeind staan. Morsi kan niet zonder Amerikaanse hulp.

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Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 11:56 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Als jij dat denkt. We zullen zien hoe dat gaat in de toekomst. Egypte is een rijk land en heeft het in het verleden gekunt.