Dynd | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 14:47 |
![]() All the colors of the world should be Lovin' each other wholeheartedly. Yes it's alright,take my message to your brother and tell him twice. Spread the word who tried to teach the man who is hatin' his brother, When hate won't do 'cause we're all the same Yes the blood inside of me is inside of you. Dat moest de TT worden maar die past niet ![]() En Static gefeliciteerd! Vorige deel: Michael Jackson #89 - We had him... | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 14:55 |
Vette OP, mooie foto! Is Static jarig? Gefeliiiii! | |
static | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 15:38 |
Ook hier even een link naar de prijsvraag: [Win] Michael Jackson's This Is It op DVD! En thanks. ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 16:50 |
Prachtige OP, foto, gefeliciteerd Static, tvp | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 17:35 |
EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Conrad Murray Will Call As Witness Another Doc Who Gave Jackson Propofol | |
SteelDogg | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 19:44 |
Gefeliciteerd Static + tvp ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:33 |
Kan iemand mij zeggen waar "OP" voor staat ? ( ja is misschien dom maar ik weet het niet) | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:35 |
Openings Post (dacht ik?) | |
erik666 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:42 |
Oooh ja, dat zal het zijn. Had dat OP natuurlijk al vaker gezien, maar kreeg er ineens genoeg van dat ik de betekenis niet wist. Nou dank Gifkwal . | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:47 |
Geen dank Erik. Ik hoop maar dat ik het bij het juiste eind heb, voor hetzelfde geld heb ik ook maar iets fouts verzonnen ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:51 |
Dat zal het wel zijn, anders als het niet goed is horen we het wel van een ander. | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:52 |
OP staat voor Openingspost hoor ![]() Wat betreft Murray die een dokter of meerdere doktoren wil oproepen: jaja, dat zal best. Maar dat is toch allang uitgezocht door de LAPD etc.? Dat is toch al wijd en zijd bekend, dat Michael zich vaker heeft laten inspuiten met Propofol. Maar toen ging hij niet dood. ![]() | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:57 |
quote:Inderdaad, ja. Misschien kan hij nog wat van ze leren. | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 20:58 |
quote:Als ie het nog ooit mag toedienen. | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 21:00 |
Op zichzelf, ja ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 21:02 |
quote:Whaha! ![]() | |
Dynd | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 21:29 |
quote:Iets met een kat in het nauw... | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 21:42 |
quote:Precies, en: "die anderen deden het ook" ![]() | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 22:17 |
Nog een nieuwsberichtje over dat school-gedoe Jackson Fans Campaign to Have Name on School Uncovered | |
bartgielen | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 22:38 |
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Anonymousz | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 23:22 |
op naar de 100 | |
gifkwal | woensdag 31 maart 2010 @ 23:34 |
quote: ![]() ![]() Ik vind het overigens wel heerlijk hoe MJ hier "no" zegt tegen Bashir met zijn domme vragen. Echt zo van "DUH" | |
Zapato | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 01:29 |
Superfly Sister, Get On The Floor And Dance With Me! | |
tisikke | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 10:24 |
Eddie murphy's bodyguard en bubbels http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3701135502438593435# | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 11:59 |
Kreeg hier toch wel een brok van in mijn keel. De tekst lijkt aardig op toepassing op Michael (Pink Floyd) | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 12:02 |
quote:Het is Bubbles ![]() | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 12:19 |
quote:Heel mooi... Dat nummer is sowieso ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 12:25 |
quote:Echt wel he...dacht zelfs even of het met hem in gedachten geschreven was ![]() Hoe is het met je scriptie gegaan? | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 12:54 |
quote:Dit nummer was geschreven voor de eerste zanger van Pink Floyd (weet even niet meer hoe hij heet... Syd Barett of is dat juist de nieuwe?) nadat hij weg was gegaan. Meer weet ik er ook niet van. De scriptie is min of meer af ![]() ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:19 |
quote:Oh, dus toch niet voor Michael geschreven ![]() ![]() Hee mooi joh, bijna af je scriptie dus. Moet een voldaan gevoel geven. Met mij gaat het goed, heb vandaag lekker vrij, en zit heerlijk de koelkast schoon te maken ![]() Nah ja, tis hier toch pokkenweer. | |
Dynd | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:35 |
quote:Hehe, ze hebben hem toch ook weggehaald omdat hij te agressief werd. | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:38 |
quote:Ja, want hij werd te groot. Had Michael natuurlijk moeten weten, dat ie eens volwassen zou worden. | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:46 |
quote:Troost je, ik ga zo de plee schrobben ![]() | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:47 |
quote:Nee, zoiets komt niet voor in zijn belevingswereld natuurlijk ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:56 |
quote:Opeens vind ik de koelkast helemaal niet zo erg meer ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 13:57 |
quote:Nee precies ![]() Ik heb wel eens gehoord dat hij Bubbles nooit meer is gaan opzoeken...klopt dat, denken jullie? | |
JX | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 14:09 |
quote:Klopt, dit nummer was geschreven voor Syd Barrett, de oprichter/zanger van Pink Floyd en een mooi getalenteerd mens. Die draaide op een gegeven moment mentaal compleet door, kon niet meer spelen en werd min of meer uit de band gewerkt. Vandaar "crazy diamond". De tekst komt deels idd ook overeen met Michael ![]() Overigens is de film 'The Wall' van Pink Floyd ook erg interessant om te bekijken als je geinteresseerd bent in het verhaal van een ster die door een moeizame jeugd psychisch in de war raakt. ![]() Wat dat betreft is het bewonderingswaardig dat MJ niet compleet is doorgedraaid, gezien zijn leven. Wat mij betreft was het enige vreemde aan hem zijn uiterlijk, iets waarvan hij zelf ongetwijfeld ook veel spijt had, maar hij ging ermee om. Af en toe maakte hij wat vreemde en verkeerde keuzes, maar dat doet elk normaal mens wel eens. Alleen lag zijn leven en alles wat hij deed onder een vergrootglas. Ik heb MJ tenminste nooit compleet zien doordraaien en a la Britney Spears zijn hoofd zien kaalscheren en iemand aanvallen met een plu etcetera. Zoals Al Sharpton zei: "There was nothing strange about your daddy - It was strange what he had to deal with, but he dealt with it anyway." Wat mij betreft de allerbeste samenvatting ![]() quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubbles_(chimpanzee) Ik denk dat hij hem wel af en toe is blijven bezoeken ![]() [ Bericht 7% gewijzigd door JX op 01-04-2010 14:14:34 ] | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 21:25 |
quote:Ik vraag me af of dit wel zo goed voor Michael zelf is geweest. Met het gevangen leven dat hij leidde, zou je wensen dat hij wel eens lekker geprikt had met zijn plu naar de paparazzi bijvoorbeeld. Ik denk juist dat hij leed in stilte-behalve als hij zich lekker kon uitleven in zijn songs, later- en dat is een stuk funester voor de persoon zelf. Je ziet wat het gebracht heeft. Wat betreft Sharpton: beter kan je het niet zeggen. ![]() [ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 01-04-2010 21:31:20 ] | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 21:34 |
Dr. Conrad Murray: 'I'm Hanging On by a Thread' Posted Apr 1st 2010 2:32PM by TMZ Staff Dr. Conrad Murray: 'I'm Hanging On by a Thread'Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyer filed legal papers today pleading with the judge in his criminal case not to yank his medical license, because he needs it to pay for his defense. Murray's lawyers are responding to the State Attorney General's motion, asking the judge to suspend his medical license as a condition to bail. Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, says his client was in financial hot water before Michael Jackson's death and is now, "without fear of overstatement, hanging on by a thread." Murray believes if the judge suspends his license, Texas and Nevada will follow suit and the doctor won't be able to make the money required to mount a defense. Although we're told Chernoff won't be making money, Murray is still responsible for expert witness fees and other trial-related expenses. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0jsYERclx | |
Dynd | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 22:49 |
quote: ![]() Trouwens, vond net dit filmpje, zaten een paar clipjes in die ik nog niet eerder gezien heb. Zoals 1:07 en 2:15. Van welke videos zijn die eigenlijk? | |
Zapato | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 23:41 |
Ey, wanneer is er nou meer duidelijkheid over die hele zaak? Ik hoef het niet helemaal te volgen, maar dat vind ik toch wel belangrijk om ff te weten. | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 23:43 |
quote:Rechtzaak begint na Pasen. Nog 1weekendje geduld voordat we hopelijk eens wat te weten komen. JX, ik vond het ook altijd wel speciaal dat Michael geen psycho is geworden. Oke, hij was misschien iets vreemder dan de gemiddelde Henkie maar dat is niet zo verrassend. Hij heeft al die shit in zijn leven echt goed opgepakt (naar omstandigheden). Murray boehoe huilie. Wat heeft hij dan gedaan met die 150.000 dollar die hij per maand betaald kreeg van AEG? Nu al op? Dit filmpje kwam ik nog tegen, had het nog niet gezien. Die Jay Kid ken ik niet maar het schijnt een soort MJ imitator te zijn of zo. | |
Zapato | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 23:45 |
quote:OK, ben benieuwd. De verwachtingen liggen rond doodslag toch? En dat zou toch wel 1-2 jaar betekenen neem ik aan? | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 23:55 |
quote:Grappig, ik kwam zelf net op youtube 1 van die clips tegen en had dat ook nog nooit gezien (prive-opnames van dansen op Neverland) Die van 1.07 lijkt wel repetities voor de Bad video? Ook nog nooit gezien. | |
gifkwal | donderdag 1 april 2010 @ 23:59 |
quote:Hij wordt aangeklaagd voor doodslag, ja. Weet niet in hoeverre dit nog kan veranderen. Maximaal 4 jaar. Nog een leuk filmpje | |
Zapato | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 00:15 |
quote:Aha, dankjewel ![]() En MJ filmpjes ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 08:38 |
Dat meisje in dat roze jurkje is een fan die Michael al jaren volgt. Als ik het goed heb is zij één van de meisjes van de This Is Not It campaign. Ze loopt er ook gewoon bij alsof ze bij de entourage hoort ![]() | |
erik666 | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 11:04 |
Ik was 2 jaar geleden in Las Vegas, heb toen o.a wat foto's genomen van het tapijt, waar ik nu MJ in het filmpje over zie lopen. Nee MJ heb ik helaas niet gezien. Die vloerbedekking/tapijt is in het echt werkelijk bijzonder mooi. ![]() | |
bartgielen | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 12:15 |
http://www.mjjpictures.com/history/tour/onstage.html http://www.mjjpictures.com/history/tour/tour.html !! Al die foto's | |
bloempje-moi | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 12:17 |
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bartgielen | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 12:18 |
![]() ![]() ![]() die foto is gewoon cool ![]() ![]() en zo zou ie altijd moeten kijken ![]() ![]() dat meisje ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 12:59 |
quote:Bijna rond dezelfde tijd dus ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 13:01 |
Bedankt voor de foto's! Vooral die van backstage zijn cool! Op foto 7 van backstage staat links die gast die nu in the jury zit bij het MJ programma bij SBS. En volgens mij is die vrouw die rechts staat zijn choreograaf van This Is It. Iemand mee eens? | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 13:03 |
En, haha, foto 5! Michaels busje was toen over het been gereden van die gast! En foto 19 is ook bijzonder! | |
Virtual-Insanity | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 20:53 |
Ben al tijdje ontzettend aan het lurken hier, maar ga nou toch maar eens meedoen! Allereerst natuurlijk : Michael ![]() Had iemand deze al gepost? | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 21:57 |
Hee Virtual, welkom ![]() Die filmpjes waren een paar maanden terug geloof ik al eens gepost, maar geeft niet want te is leuk om naar te kijken en er zullen vast mensen zijn die het nog niet gezien hebben! Waar dit nu weer vandaan komt weet ik niet. Let vooral op de eerste foto op de tekening bovenin, "To Daddy, Love Paris" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
dollce | vrijdag 2 april 2010 @ 22:15 |
quote:aah paris die steeds michael z'n hand zoekt ![]() | |
Virtual-Insanity | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 00:05 |
quote:Thanks! En tja, 90 threads! Is veul! Teehee! Hele gave foto's! Maar.....ik vraag me toch wel af wat Michael er nou van zou vinden.....Dat zijn kinderen nu volop in de publiciteit staan! Ik bedoel, hij deed zo ontzettend veel moeite om zijn kinderen uit de pers te houden..... | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 11:10 |
quote:Ja, en hij was er nog succesvol in, ook... Toen hij nog leefde wist echt haast niemand hoe die kinderen er nou uitzaten, maar nu verschijnen er op mysterieuze wijze ineens allemaal foto's op het internet... Vreemd. | |
Virtual-Insanity | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 12:30 |
quote:Inderdaad! Ze hadden altijd die masker op enzo, hij deed er echt vreselijk veel moeite voor.....Ik weet nog wel dat ik gewoon echt schrok toen zijn kinderen het podium op kwamen tijdens de herdenkingsdienst in de Staples. Kijk, het is natuurlijk iets heel anders als een of andere paparazzi een foto weet te schieten als ze op straat lopen, maar ze schoven die kinderen echt gewoon naar voren. Michael had dat, volgens mij, echt niks gevonden. Al zijn moeite voor niks! | |
tisikke | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 12:58 |
Propofol level in Michael Jackson's body at the time of his autopsy was 10 to 100 times higher than the level attributable to the dosage Dr. Conrad Murray admits to having administered. Photo Credit: Kevin Mazur/AEG/Getty Images April 02, 2010, (Sawf News) - Propofol level in Michael Jackson's body at the time of his autopsy was 10 to 100 times higher than the level attributable to the dosage Dr. Conrad Murray admits to having administered. Dr. Bruce Speiss, Professor of Anesthesiology, who didn't' treat Michael Jackson, tells CNN: "The levels of propofol in the toxicology report are considerably higher, perhaps by factors of 10 to a 100 time higher." Murray told police that he administered 25 ml of propofol after three other drugs failed to help Michael sleep. Dr. Bruce also highlights some other inconsistencies. Murray says he stayed with Jackson for 10 minutes after administering propofol, in which case he should have noticed something was wrong. Michael should have been adversely affected with seconds of being given the drug. "If he was going to stop breathing he should have stopped breathing within 30 secs to 2 mins after the propofol went in," says Dr. Bruce. Also, a quantity as small as 25 ml should have been injected, not administered using IV, Dr Bruce points out, sinc the IV tube itself would take up 25 ml. http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/63323.aspx WATCH VIDEO INTERVIEW FROM DR. SPEISS, ANESTHESIOLOGIST HERE: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/201...?iref=allsearch | |
Robijn48 | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 13:46 |
quote:Welkom Virual-Insanity. Als bovenstaande waar is...pfhoe ![]() | |
Virtual-Insanity | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 14:53 |
quote:Thanks, Robijn! En tja, volgens mij weten we de helft nog niet van wat zich daar heeft afgespeeld.....Vraag me ook wel af of we ooit nog eens het hele (juiste) plaatje krijgen..... | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 15:15 |
quote:Dat vind ik ook heel jammer. Ik vond echt dat hij ze enorm goed beschermde, hopelijk krijgen ze nu niet alsnog een klap van de molen nu ze door paparazzi belaagd worden zodra ze een voet buiten de deur zetten ![]() Dat van die enorme doseringen propofol is echt een heel vaag verhaal. Dan WEET je toch als dokter dat dat niet goed gaat? O ja Robijn jij figureerde vannacht in een droom van mij ![]() ![]() | |
JaneDoe | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 18:02 |
http://www.worldstarhipho(...)wshhfQ3vZtorVf0B93a5 janet in gesprek met oprah ![]() | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 20:08 |
quote:Thanks... Lijkt me echt zo kut om haar te zijn en niet door te dringen tot hem. Jackson was a 'down to earth doting father' recalls Sligo puppeteer En: My Uncle by Steveanna Jackson Today at 20:00 Everyone knew my uncle Michael as one of the greatest performers that ever lived and while I don’t argue that, he was just simply uncle Mike to me. We called him uncle doo doo affectionately because he loved to joke around and play, all the time. He would call me and my brother up in the middle of the night, we hadn’t talked to him for months and he would prank call us using a different voice! We thought it was so funny until we found out it was him. The media may have said a lot of stuff about my uncle that wasn’t true but he never had to convince his family, we always knew what kind of person he was. I remember going to school and having to stand up for my uncle many times because kids knew that it would hurt me and my brothers. I remember all my friends thought I was cool because I was Michael Jackson’s niece but I thought my uncle was the coolest because he always had the time for me and always had a good heart. He never said no to us kids, we have a huge family and whenever Michael was around, and he laughed, tickled and played with us (yes, even when we got grown and older). People painted this picture of my family as being distant and not close, but we all were. We had family day where we would pick a day and somebody’s house, then we would all come and just have fun. I remember for my 7th birthday my uncle was on tour, he gave my mom the keys to Neverland and we had my party there, all my cousins had their birthday parties at Neverland. It was tradition! Another memory for me is my uncle calling me Applehead, he calls everyone in our family apple head, even my cousins Prince, Paris and Blanket. It was a comfort word for him. I will miss him dearly and always have memories of happy times but in my heart, as long as I can hear my uncle’s laugh, his voice, still remember his hugs and kisses, then my uncle will never pass on. He is always with me! I love you Steveanna | |
Robijn48 | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 22:09 |
quote: ![]() Bedenk me net dat Paris vandaag 12 jaar is geworden, eerste verjaardag zonder haar vader... [ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 03-04-2010 22:19:21 ] | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 3 april 2010 @ 22:38 |
quote:Nee het was een beetje vaag, na het concert ging hij dingen signeren maar ik kon niet kiezen uit mijn collectie J5 posters dus toen ik eenmaal had gekozen was hij al weg. O ja, Paris' verjaardag vandaag... ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zondag 4 april 2010 @ 10:16 |
![]() ![]() Dr. Murray's Defense - Jackson Killed Himself Posted Apr 4th 2010 4:00AM by TMZ Staff TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray's legal defense is that Michael Jackson gave himself the fatal dose of Propofol. Multiple sources familiar with the strategy tell TMZ the defense argument goes like this: - At around 10:50 AM, Dr. Murray gave Jackson 25 mg of Propofol from a 20 ml bottle -- that's only about 1/8 of the bottle. - The dose Dr. Murray administered would keep someone asleep for only 5 to 10 minutes, But the Propofol, along with the Ativan and Versed that was already in MJ's system, had a synergistic effect that put Jackson to sleep for a longer period of time. - For the next hour, Dr. Murray stayed in the room and was on the phone for much of the time. Dr. Murray didn't leave the room to make the calls because MJ liked activity in the room, regularly sleeping with the lights on and cartoons blaring on the TV. - At around noon, Dr. Murray left the room for approximately two minutes to go to the bathroom. While he was gone, the defense believes Jackson suddenly awakened and was frustrated he had spent nearly 9 hours trying in vain to sleep. The defense theory -- Jackson took the 20 ml bottle of Propofol and self-injected the remaining contents through the IV, causing a massive overdose that stopped his heart. - Dr. Murray walked back in the room and saw Jackson with his eyes open and pupils dilated. Dr. Murray dropped the phone (he was speaking with his girlfriend) and began administering CPR. The defense will argue Michael Jackson was a long-time Propofol addict -- something TMZ first reported shortly after the singer's death. As one source said, Jackson liked the sensation of Propofol being administered by IV, adding, "Michael liked to push it." L.A. County Coroner's investigators took a picture in the room, showing an empty Propofol bottle on the floor, underneath the nightstand by Jackson's bed. The defense will argue Jackson grabbed the bottle from the nightstand, injected himself and then dropped the bottle. Remember, law enforcement believes Dr. Murray hid bottles of Propofol before paramedics arrived. The defense will argue ... if Dr. Murray was really hiding Propofol, he would have removed the empty bottle under the nightstand that caused Jackson's death. Ed Chernoff, Murray's attorney, could not be reached for comment. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0k7L3TPnc Wow ![]() ![]() Een reactie van iemand: This is complete BS. I've been under Propofol before. You are out in under 10 seconds. There is no possible way you could adjust the drip. Period. Murray is a lying coward. He dug his own hole,He needs to lay in the mess he created now. Like I said before,What kind of doctor not only does CPR on a bed,but leaves that person to make phone calls to his little mistresses to hide the extra propofol. The man is Guilty. Posted at 4:16AM on Apr 4th 2010 by Maelini [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 04-04-2010 10:23:47 ] | |
Dynd | zondag 4 april 2010 @ 19:34 |
quote:Beetje laat, maar hey. ![]() Ikzelf lurk ook vooral en zeg af en toe eens wat. ^^ quote:Dit klopt inderdaad, sprekende uit ervaring. Alhoewel het natuurlijk afhangt van de gegeven dosis. Ook nog een vrolijk Pasen. ![]() En, ![]() Fans bij McDonald's Best: MJ vermoord! Voor de Nederlandse fans van Michael Jackson is het helder: Michael Jackson is VERMOORD. De fans kwamen gisteravond op een regenachtig parkeerterrein van de McDonald's in Best (Noord-Brabant) bijeen. Onder het genot van een Chicken Sensation en een milkshake eisen de Nederlandse fans gerechtigheid. Vermoord "Hij is vermoord, geen zelfmoord! Het was geen ongeluk. Er is een moord gepleegd op een man die ten alle tijden onschuldig is geweest", proclameert een vrouwelijke fan, die aanwezig is bij het bedevaartsoord. Vlag De fans hebben hun handtekening gezet op een Nederlandse vlag die vandaag naar Los Angeles wordt vervoerd. De vlag zal aanwezig zijn bij het vervolg van het proces tegen Jackson's lijfarts Conrad Murray, zo meldt het Eindhovens Dagblad. Bron: Spitsnieuws [ Bericht 18% gewijzigd door Dynd op 04-04-2010 20:47:49 ] | |
gifkwal | zondag 4 april 2010 @ 21:51 |
Kut Murray. Michael nog een keer door het slijk halen door zoiets te beweren. Maar even advocaat van de duivel: als je door dit middel binnen enkele seconden al niet meer in staat bent om de dosering te bepalen, dan kan het toch juist goed dat je jezelf per ongeluk een overdosis geeft? Hoewel ik niks van dat bullshit verhaal geloof verder, hoor. | |
MJ44ever | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 09:27 |
Jackson's Demanding Personality On Trial It sounds crazy, but Michael Jackson's Coca-Cola addiction may become a building block in Dr. Conrad Murray's legal strategy. TMZ broke the story that Dr. Murray's defense will be that Michael Jackson caused his own death by pumping a lethal dose of Propofol into his own body during the time the doctor was out of the room. Sources familiar with the defense strategy tell us one of the missions is to show that Michael Jackson was a demanding celebrity who wanted what he wanted when he wanted it, even if it posed a danger to himself. One of the ways the defense will prove its point is with the famous soft drink. Jackson consumed massive quantities of Coca-Cola, knowing full well it was laden with caffeine and would make it next to impossible to fall asleep. Our sources say the defense has numerous examples of situations where Jackson hyped himself up with caffeine from soda and then used drugs -- including Propofol -- as the ultimate sleeping solution. The upshot -- Jackson was a guy who wanted instant gratification ... so the notion that he would wake up when Dr. Murray was out of the room, become frustrated and self-medicate with Propofol is consistent with his personality. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kCzFLcQa "who wanted what he wanted when he wanted it, even if it posed a danger to himself." Dit geloof ik wel hoor. | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 10:25 |
quote:Ja, dat is wel gebleken ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 10:36 |
Ik weet het ook allemaal niet. Het zou toch idd onmogelijk zijn Propofol zelf toe te dienen? De enige ervaring die ik met dat soort spul heb-weet niet of het Propofol was- is dat ik onder zeil ben gebracht toen ik een gastroscopie moest ondergaan-om in de maag en slokdarm te kunnen kijken- en ik binnen een paar seconden weg was. Ongeveer een uur later werd ik weer wakker, en verbaasde me hoe snel je wegbent, en je totaal niet weet wat er gebeurd is achteraf. Heb er niks van meegemaakt (heerlijk ![]() Toevoeging: vergeet niet dat Murray een kat in het nauw is. En zoals het er nu uitziet zal hij alles doen om uit de bak te blijven. Waarom komt hij nu pas met het verhaal van "zelf toegediende Propofol"? En niet negen maanden geleden? [ Bericht 16% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 05-04-2010 10:44:04 ] | |
Sideshowbobbie | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 11:17 |
In hoeverre zullen al deze verhalen sowieso waar zijn? Die vraag stel ik me de laatste tijd wel af door al die vage berichten over Murray. Dan zegt ie dit, dan zegt ie dat... Beetje vreemd. Maar inderdaad - aan de andere kant - een kat maakt rare sprongen... | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 12:13 |
quote:Precies, waarom zei hij dat niet meteen! Goed punt Robijn. Ik kreeg ook een keer narcose, dat is best wel relaxed inderdaad. Je bent inderdaad in 1 seconde weg en weer terug (zo lijkt het tenminste). Maar ik kan me niet voorstellen dat je van narcose echt lekker slaapt (goed uitrust), volgens mij ben je juist best gesloopt wanneer je weer wakker wordt. Het is echt niet goed voor je lichaam. Dus wat dat betreft was het wellicht wel echt een verslaving voor MJ (verslaving aan het chille gevoel) ipv dat het hem echt hielp. | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 12:20 |
Van TMZ: Dr. Murray Face to Face with MJ's Family in Court There figures to be pandemonium down at the courthouse Monday morning --we're told Dr. Conrad Murray will be in the building and come face to face with some of Michael Jackson's relatives. Our sources say the majority of Jackson's immediate family plan on being there. We're told family members, including Joe, are very upset with the information in TMZ's story Sunday -- that Dr. Murray's defense team will argue MJ killed himself by self-medicating with too much Propofol. As for Jackson fans, a Facebook group has organized a protest outside and so far nearly 500 people are scheduled to show. The hearing is set to begin at 1:30 PM PT/4:30 PM ET. We'll bring it all to you live. Stay tuned ... Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/0(...)maine/#ixzz0kDghz5i7 | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 12:34 |
quote:Propofol is ook helemaal niet bedoeld voor thuisgebruik ![]() Vanavond...wat spannend. 1.30 LA time is hier 22.30? | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 12:38 |
Volgens mij is er 9 uur tijdsverschil, maar pin me er niet op vast. Ik ga maar even een paaswandeling maken, geen zin om hier vandaag de hele dag aan te denken ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 12:39 |
quote:Heeeee welkom terug in ons kikkerlandje! Veel plezier met wandelen, ga ik ook straks doen. | |
matthijst | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 13:46 |
Ze moesten die Murray gewoon afschieten. Er zal vast wel een geflipte MJ fan rondlopen daar in LA, dus ik heb hoop dat het wel goed gaat komen ![]() | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 16:40 |
quote:Dank je! Mijn ouders hadden trouwens al de TII special edition dvd voor me klaarliggen, lief he ![]() Matthijs, doodknallen gun ik hem nou ook weer niet maar het zou me niet verbazen als er inderdaad gekken rondlopen die dat in hun hoofd halen... | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 20:49 |
Mattijst, je bent niet de enige, overgenomen van reacties op TMZ: 11. I WANT TO KILL MURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted at 2:35PM on Apr 5th 2010 by The Netherlands Door een Nederlander ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 20:52 |
quote:Hartstikke lief, en hoe vind je hem? Goed he. Heb je de prachtige kleding al gezien die voor hem was gemaakt? Ik vond vooral het donkerpaarse pak mooi. Goed nieuws ![]() Conrad Murray Judge -- So Tough, So Smart Posted Apr 5th 2010 1:40PM by TMZ Staff Sources tell TMZ the judge who will get the Conrad Murray manslaughter case is one of the toughest, smartest judges on the bench in L.A. County. Court sources tell TMZ that L.A. County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will be assigned Murray's case today, following a brief hearing with the Supervising Judge of the L.A. County Superior Court. Judge Pastor has handled some high-profile cases, including the case involving topless pics of Cameron Diaz, Jason Priestley's DUI case, and a slew of other high-profile, non-celeb cases. Note to lawyers in the case -- Pastor is extremely tough, and nothing gets past him. He reads every legal doc in his cases and makes it a point to become an expert on whatever the case involves. Judge Pastor also knows something about addiction -- he's renowned at the courthouse as having a frequent flier mileage addiction, often flying pointlessly over a weekend just to rack up mileage points. He's getting the Judicial Excellence Award from the L.A. County Criminal Courts Bar Association this weekend. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/0(...)mments#ixzz0kFlcjIIB | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 20:57 |
quote:Nog geen tijd gehad om de dvd te bekijken, wil er even lekker voor kunnen gaan zitten. Ben wel heel benieuwd naar die kleding! Zeer goed nieuws van die rechter! ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 21:09 |
quote:Heb gelezen dat dit een preliminiary hearing is. Wordt dus hartstikke spannend, want er moet genoeg bewijs zijn. Preliminary hearing From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Within some criminal justice systems, a preliminary hearing (evidentiary hearing) is a proceeding, after a criminal complaint has been filed by the prosecutor, to determine whether there is enough evidence to require a trial. In the United States, the judge must find there is probable cause that a crime was committed. At such a hearing, the defendant may be assisted by counsel; in U.S. jurisdictions, there is a right to counsel at the preliminary hearing.[1] Contrast this with some jurisdictions in the United States, where a person may be charged, instead, by seeking a "true bill of indictment" before a grand jury; where counsel is not always permitted. The conduct of the preliminary hearing as well as the specific rules regarding the admissibility of evidence vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Hearsay is typically allowed. Should the court decide that there is probable cause, a formal charging instrument (called the Information in some jurisdictions) will issue; and the prosecution will continue. If the court should find that there is no probable cause, then typically the prosecution will cease. Many jurisdictions, however, allow the prosecution to seek a new preliminary hearing, or even seek a bill of indictment from a grand jury. Some important questions, generally addressed in such a hearing, are: 1. Did the alleged crime occur within the court's jurisdiction? 2. Is there probable cause, to believe that the defendant committed the crime? If a judge determines that there is sufficient evidence to believe that the defendant committed the crime, it is said that the defendant is "held to answer" or "bound over" (in U.S. jurisdictions). After a defendant is held to answer, the judge will set a date for arraignment. A new pleading is filed with the court (sometimes called an "information") and the defendant can enter a plea at his or her arraignment date. The defendant is usually given the date that he will officially stand trial at this arraignment. | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 21:19 |
Oeh, dat is wel spannend ja. Al ben ik er eigenlijk wel van overtuigd dat er genoeg bewijs is... toch? | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 21:24 |
quote:Me too, maar zo gaan die dingen daar blijkbaar. Verder dit op CNN: Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's last doctor may learn Monday whether his California medical license will be suspended while he faces trial in the pop star's death. California's medical board will ask the judge to order Dr. Conrad Murray not to practice medicine as a condition of his bail when he appears in a Los Angeles court Monday. When Murray pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in February, a judge prohibited him from using any anesthesia on patients, but he refused the prosecution's request to suspend his license. The state is trying again with a new judge in charge of the case. Murray's treatment of Jackson "demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine," California Attorney General Jerry Brown said. Defense lawyer Ed Chernoff, in a filing last week, argued the state must show "changed circumstances" since bail was first set. Murray currently has no California patients, although he has resumed his medical practices in Houston, Texas, and Las Vegas, Nevada, Chernoff said. The suspension of his California license would have a "domino effect" on his practices in other states, Chernoff said. "If his Honor restricts his California license even temporarily, then by application of Texas law, Dr. Murray's Texas license to practice medicine shall also be similarly revoked," he said. The loss of his practices in Nevada and Texas "would be financially and personally devastating," he said. "He will likely be faced with the inability to adequately defend himself of the charges facing him in the Superior Court of California." Murray's defense "will be scientifically based" and requires "intensive attorney work and fees," Chernoff said. Murray is "hanging on by a thread" financially and could not afford to pay for his legal defense if he loses his medical license, according to his lawyer. The Los Angeles coroner concluded Jackson's death on June 25 last year was the result of "acute propofol intoxication." Murray told investigators he gave Jackson propofol, a powerful anesthetic, to help him sleep. Video: How much propofol was Jackson given? Video: Joe Jackson filing lawsuit Murray's defense team denied a report by the gossip Web site TMZ on Sunday that cited unidentified "multiple sources" saying their strategy would be to argue that Jackson gave himself the final and fatal dose of anesthesia. "We do not know what sources to which TMZ is referring," the spokeswoman for Chernoff said. "We only know it didn't come from Ed (Chernoff) who has the final word." "It is premature to discuss defense strategy," she said. The TMZ report said Murray would claim that while he had administered propofol to Jackson earlier in the morning, the singer gave himself another dose when the doctor left the room for two minutes. The possibility that Jackson could have overdosed on his own was considered and ruled out in the coroner's autopsy report. "It would have been difficult for the patient to administer the drugs (others besides propofol were administered) to himself, given the configuration of the IV set-up," Dr. Selma Calmes, anesthesiology consultant hired by the coroner, wrote. The tube was in Jackson's left leg with a 5-inch-long injection port, she said. "He would have had to bend his knee sharply or sit up to reach the injection port and push the syringe barrel, an awkward situation, especially if sleep was the goal," Dr. Calmes said. Joe Jackson, the singer's father, is expected to attend Monday's hearing in the Los Angeles courtroom of Judge Peter Espinoza. The elder Jackson has filed notice that he will sue Dr. Murray for the wrongful death of his son. | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 21:27 |
De livestream is er al!!! En weer weg. [ Bericht 26% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 05-04-2010 21:45:10 ] | |
matthijst | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 21:56 |
quote:Wasn't me ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 22:15 |
quote: ![]() | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 22:42 |
Livestream werkt nu goed bij mij ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 22:48 |
Zijn naar andere kamer, geen camera's, blijkbaar | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 22:57 |
Live stream, neemt buiten op: http://www.etonline.com/live/la.html | |
gifkwal | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:00 |
Kut, moet nu echt slapen want morgen heel vroeg op ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:08 |
Trusteee gif. | |
Zapato | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:20 |
Is de zaak nu? | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:27 |
Ja, het is bezig. Zie www.tmz.com | |
Zapato | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:32 |
quote:Njah, ga niet kijken, moet nog ff aan de studie en hoef dat niet zo nodig live te zien, maar sterkte voor jullie, volgens mij zouden jullie hier nog wel s emotioneel van kunnen worden ![]() ![]() | |
Robijn48 | maandag 5 april 2010 @ 23:36 |
quote:Hehe, valt mee tot nu. Studeer ze. | |
Virtual-Insanity | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 10:19 |
TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray has made it clear -- he will not take a plea bargain in the death of Michael Jackson. Sources say Dr. Murray is adamant ... he did nothing wrong and will not plead to manslaughter or any lesser offense. TMZ first broke the story of Dr. Murray's defense ... that Michael Jackson accidentally killed himself by self-injecting a fatal dose of Propofol into his bloodstream. Dr. Murray, we're told, is "completely confident" that he will be found not guilty. He is less confident that the medical boards in Texas, Nevada and California will reach a similar result. Dr. Murray is extremely relieved Judge Michael Pastor did not yank his California medical license yesterday. Nevertheless, he realizes it's all but inevitable all three medical boards will go after his license. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kJ2aLGT6 ![]() ![]() Hij mag nog gewoon van de rechter doktertje spelen ook, tis toch ongelofelijk? | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 11:44 |
[ Bericht 50% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 06-04-2010 11:46:16 ] | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 11:47 |
quote:Nou, heb begrepen dat de beslissing van wel of niet afnemen van zijn licence is verschoven naar de volgende zitting: 14 juni. Dit gaat een lang verhaal worden zo ![]() ![]() [ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 06-04-2010 11:55:34 ] | |
Virtual-Insanity | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 12:51 |
quote:Een lang verhaal gaat het absoluut worden, maar het feit dat die gast op dit moment nog gewoon zijn license heeft is al van de zotte, toch? | |
eskil | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 15:20 |
Het is toch onvoorstelbaar schaamteloos dat Amerikaanse recht systeem Zelfs als MJ. was blijven leven, . Murray heeft hoe dan ook de eed van Hypocratus geschonden. En nog is zijn licence niet afgenomen. Ik kan er met mijn petje niet bij! | |
Cavalier | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 17:03 |
Uiteindelijk is MJ zelf de hoofdschuldige van zijn eigen dood. Hij wilde toch echt zelf die drugs hebben, niemand heeft hem daartoe verplicht... | |
gifkwal | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 20:05 |
quote:Als een junk een overdosis heroine wil, en zijn dokter geeft hem dat, is het dan de schuld van de junk dat hij dood is? Let wel, ik zeg niet dat MJ totaal geen schuld heeft aan zijn dood want ja, het was ZIJN verslaving, maar een goede dokter doet alleen wat goed is voor de patient, niet wat gunstig is voor zijn eigen portemonnee. Daarnaast heeft Murray allemaal fouten gemaakt. Wellicht had MJ gered kunnen worden zonder die fouten. Ik heb ook begrepen dat in juni dus de preliminary hearing pas is, waarin de bewijslast wordt bekeken en zo. Pfff. | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 21:25 |
quote:Mee eens, snap het ook niet, en ook niet waarom de rechter de beslissing verschoven heeft ![]() ![]() | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 21:28 |
quote:Pfff, kwam er idd net achter dat dit een PRE preliminary hearing was. Het vaststellen van de rechter en het zetten van een nieuwe datum. Kan het allemaal nog langzamer? ![]() | |
gifkwal | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 21:57 |
Voordeel is dat Murray nog iets langer mag zitten zweten. | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 6 april 2010 @ 21:59 |
quote:Ja, maar ook zijn gewone leventje kan doorzetten ![]() | |
MJ44ever | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 07:14 |
Op TMZ een filmpje waarin Jermaine zegt (Joe heeft dat ook een paar keer gezegd) dat er veel medeplichtigen zijn. Uiteraard wil hij niet zeggen wie. Is het strafbaar om dit hardop te zeggen? Het is echt weer zo'n Jackson ding om zo raadselachtig te doen... | |
Virtual-Insanity | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 10:20 |
TMZ: Michael Jackson -- Strong Stimulant Found Posted Apr 7th 2010 3:00AM There may be a clear explanation as to why Michael Jackson had trouble sleeping the night before he died -- authorities found a pill bottle in the room containing tablets that would have hyped the singer up big time. The bottle, which had no label, contained 13 tablets. Each tablet had a combination of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin. The commercial sale of ephedrine -- a stimulant designed for weight loss -- is banned in the U.S. because of reports of heart attacks, strokes and even death. Each pill contained 25 mg of ephedrine, 200 mg of caffeine and 80 mg of aspirin. The caffeine alone in each pill is equivalent nearly a 6-pack of coca cola. One company that manufactures the drug warns against using it past mid-afternoon, because it will cause insomnia. According to the toxicology results, ephedrine was present in Jackson's urine. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kOssmoAv Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0kOsssrGi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Als dit waar is.....frikkin' DUH waarom ie niet kon slapen! | |
MJ44ever | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 12:40 |
Maar Michael had al langer last van slaapproblemen. Die middagse bezoekjes aan Arnold Klein waren toch ook gearrangeerde 'siestas'? | |
tisikke | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 15:34 |
MJ fans: Prepare for the Blame the Victim Defense by Dr. Johnny Benjamin, Orthopedic Spine Surgeon, Medical Journalist Posted: April 6, 2010 08:00 AM Make no doubt about it. Conrad Murray (I will not do further damage to the profession of medicine by using his disgraced title) and his group of hired guns, otherwise known as defense attorneys, will sink to even lower depths as they try to save his freedom. For the record: I do not disparage all attorneys, only those that like their client will do anything for a buck. Or more correctly a lot of bucks. When a perpetrator has no reasonable defense and nearly all hope is gone there is always one last desperate play: blame the victim. I raped her cause she wanted it. The child had no loving father figure and wanted me to touch them. I only did it because I love her...She made me hit her. We've all heard it before and the world is very likely to hear it again when the victim, Michael Jackson, is put on trial instead of Conrad Murray. The defense will spare no expense, truth or civility in their attempt to paint a very dark portrait of MJ the 'hopelessly addicted junkie' and probably far worse. They will add further spice as they include just a pinch of past troubles and allegations that have little if anything to do with his death. They will do their best to divert the attention away from their client and refocus the trial on the 'deeply troubled life of desperate man' that accidentally killed himself. I pray (as a physician) that at the end of the day one question will be answered. Was it the reasonable standard of care in Los Angeles for a doctor to administer a powerful general anesthesia drug to a person in their bedroom that consequently caused the person (an alleged 'hopelessly addicted junkie or not) to die? Or was the doctor practicing sub-standard medicine, outside the scope of his training, in an inappropriate and insufficiently monitored setting? Follow Dr. Johnny Benjamin on Twitter: www.twitter.com/drjcbenjamin Source-The Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnny..._b_526598.html | |
gifkwal | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 19:40 |
Interessant om te lezen wat de mening van een arts hierover is. How Harlem Memorialized Michael Jackson Despite a lengthy life of lyrical creativity, melodic song and entertainment wizardry pleasing to the mind and soul of all ages; as well as a humanitarian compassion devoted to healing and helping, Michael Jackson became a victim of unscrupulousness on part of enabling individuals and an unrelenting Media consistently portraying him negatively. Equally, and despite his longstanding and enormous popularity and financial success, Oprah Winfrey believed Michael was a terribly “lonely man.” Never before in history has as gentle and caring a soul been so unrelentingly victimized in life, that even in death, such was equally expected because of the negative persona created around and to discredit Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, from his earliest age, developed a tremendously demanding work ethic that enabled him to master his craft, becoming the mega success he achieved. Evidence indicates he sold more than 750 million albums; created 18 Number One hit songs; and won 13 Grammy Awards. His song Thriller sold more than 109 million albums worldwide, all part of an unbelievable “Body of Work” that a “Time Line” clearly delineates. As such, for his labors, Michael Jackson was the only person twice inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, first as a member of the Jackson 5 and as a solo artiste. In his career, Michael Jackson bridged racial, cultural, language, religious and geographical divides to bring people together under the banner of humanitarianism and expressions of love. He was respected by presidents, princes, prisoners and paupers reflecting the expansiveness of his influence due to his humanity and caring nature complimenting his artistic genius. The Guinness Book of World Records named Michael Jackson the most prolific, charitable entertainer ever, contributing to more than 38 charities some $300-500 million dollars. Yet, despite the seemingly unending negative campaign waged against the superstar in the Media; for many, there was a magical, mystical, almost mythical significance to this man, seemingly guided by divine inspiration and intuitive instruction. "The Apollo Memorial," by Frederick Monderson, was therefore called to ensure Michael’s legacy would no longer be tarnished by the unending negativity that so disfigured his life and person. In some 20 Chapters interspersing 219 photographs Monderson chronicles and highlights Michael’s life and achievements and how Harlem celebrated his passing. As such, "The Apollo Memorial" preserves this unique experience in memorabilia format allowing posterity to recognize the goodness Michael Jackson represented and how the community of fans paid tribute for the wonderful milestones he provided to gladden their numerous rites of passage. All of this the author seeks to capture in this volume in Tribute to a man of extraordinary artistry who worked tremendously hard to optimize his talents and become the very best in his profession, setting the bar above the rainbow and daring others to even attempt to reach much more scale it. Nevertheless, in process of his unspoken challenge, he dared others to do what he did through love, charity and his trust in humanity, all within the philosophical constructs of the fatherhood of god and the brotherhood of man. About the Author: Monderson is a retired college professor and school teacher who taught African History in the City University of New York and American History and Government in the New York public schools. He has written more than 800 articles in the New York Black Press, Daily Challenge, Afro Times and New American newspapers. In this venture, Monderson lends his expertise as a historian, Egyptologist, journalist and author of several books including "Barack Obama: Ready, Fit to Lead," "Sonny Carson: The Final Triumph," and several others. A student of the esteemed Dr. Yosef ben-Jochannan, Dr. Monderson conducts tours to Egypt. "Michael Jackson: The Apollo Memorial" is primarily available from the publisher and will be in bookstores as well as at Amazon.com. First Published by SuMon Publishers March 15, 2010, ISBN: 978-0-615-33289-5 LCCN: 22009943114 http://blackstarnews.com/news/133/ARTICLE/6442/2010-04-06.html | |
Dynd | woensdag 7 april 2010 @ 23:13 |
Dit is een beetje het Michael Jackson lange teksten nieuwstopic geworden, ![]() Wel interessant om te lezen hoor, en begrijpelijk, omdat het meeste nu wel zo een beetje gezegd is in de voorgaande 90 topics. @Virtual-Insanity Elke week vinden ze wel weer wat nieuws uit die kamer of het huis. ![]() | |
Sideshowbobbie | donderdag 8 april 2010 @ 09:56 |
quote:Het is dan ook een hele grote kamer, in een heel groot huis. Ongetwijfeld dat ze ook "secret rooms" hebben gevonden, net als in Neverland in 2003 ![]() | |
controlaltdelete | donderdag 8 april 2010 @ 15:21 |
quote:Ik ben het in principe met Cavalier eens. MJ heeft er zelf voor gekozen om met drugs en pijnstillers in de weer te zijn. Stel dat Murray hem niet voorzien zou hebben had hij wel iemand anders of een andere manier gevonden om hem te voorzien. Als dokter heeft Murray niet goed gehandelt maar MJ kocht in principe zijn dealers/dokters maar de enige schuldige blijft hij toch zelf. Murray is vast niet de enige arts geweest die vet betaald werd om MJ te voorzien. Verder heb ik ook gelezen dat MJ (samen met Janet) in hun jonge jaren aan bleeching verslaafd waren want ze vonden hun donkere huid maar niks. Hierdoor zou bij MJ vitiligo zijn ontstaan. | |
tisikke | donderdag 8 april 2010 @ 16:43 |
misschien moet controlaltdeliet ff googelen op vitiligo | |
gifkwal | donderdag 8 april 2010 @ 23:17 |
quote:Kom hiermee even lekker aan op een forum vol MJ-kenners ![]() De dokter werd overigens betaald door de concertorganisator AEG. | |
controlaltdelete | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 09:32 |
quote:Ik beweer ook niet dat hij niet aan vitiligo leed maar dat het onstaan ervan te wijten kan zijn aan overdadig gebruik van bleechcremes in zijn jonge jaren. Verder beweer ik ook niet dat Murray onschuldig is als behandelend arts. MJ was al jaren aan medicijnen verslaafd. Was hij niet verslaafd geweest dan had hij wellicht nog geleefd, dus in principe heeft hij het aan zichzelf te danken ook al zou Murray nalatig gehandeld hebben. | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 09:42 |
quote:Heb je een bron voor de bewering dat je vitiligo kan krijgen door bleekcremes te gebruiken? Voor zover ik weet is het namelijk een auto-immuun ziekte die kan worden getriggerd door stress en/of traumatische ervaringen danwel genetische aanleg. Natuurlijk heb je gelijk dat MJ nu niet dood zou zijn als hij niet aan pijnstillers e.d. verslaafd was geweest. Maar hij was waarschijnlijk ook niet dood geweest als Murray gewoon deed waarvoor hij betaald werd en waarvoor hij gestudeerd heeft (mag ik hopen) en niet zulke ongelovelijke debiele fouten heeft gemaakt. Daarom vind ik het wel terecht dat die rechtzaak er nu is. Iemand in een prive-omgeving een zwaar narcosemiddel toedienen dat normaal gezien alleen onder toezicht van een anaesthesist en in een ziekenhuis met alle nodige apparaten mag worden gebruikt is gewoon zwaar fout. | |
tisikke | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 11:30 |
Mj had vitiligo, in het begin toen het goed zichtbaar werd heeft hij eerst de witte plekken donker gesminkt , toen de witte plekken groter werden en dit niet meer weg gewerkt kon worden heeft hij de donkere plekken gebleekt. Daarom werden er ook zoveel tubes bleekcreme gevonden. Vitiligo is wat gifkwal zegt; auto-immuun ziekte die kan worden getriggerd door stress en/of traumatische ervaringen dan wel genetische aanleg. | |
JX | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 11:50 |
Sorry, kan het niet laten om iets verder in te gaan op vitiligo/bleekcremes ![]() Ik twijfel er niet aan dat hij bleekcremes is gaan gebruiken als gevolg van vitiligo, t.b.v. depigmentation therapy, wat meer vitiligo patienten ondergaan. Er zijn zat foto's te vinden waarop de vlekken door de make-up heen te zien zijn. Dit soort vlekken krijg je niet van een cremetje: ![]() Bovendien is het zeer moeilijk om een gezonde huid compleet te bleken zoals bij hem het geval was. Dat soort bleekcremes werken alleen goed bij mensen waarbij het pigment is aangetast door bijv. vitiligo. Hier een stukje over 1 van die bleekcremes: quote:En frappant: tijdens/na de Thriller-periode was zijn gezicht op sommige foto's lichtelijk rood uitgeslagen, wat sommigen later aan Lupus deed denken geloof ik: ![]() But guess what: quote:En het verbaast mij dus ook niets dat hij rond die periode grote zonnebrillen, hoeden en handschoenen ging dragen.. ![]() | |
tisikke | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 14:05 |
Ok Gaan we nog even verder Het ligt ook aan de ernst van de vitiligo, er zijn mensen die een milde vorm hebben en er zijn er ook die een zeer ernstige vorm hebben. Ik DENK dat mj een zeer ernstige vorm had. Als je op sommige foto's van mj kijkt zie je best nog wel donkere vlekjes zitten, die bleekcremetjes gaan echt geen donkere huid helemaal wit maken. Daarbij is een vitiligo huid niet wit zoals wij wit zijn na een winter binnen zitten, daar zit nog behoorlijk veel verschil in, | |
tisikke | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 14:36 |
en over op wat leukers hoor | |
R4m0n_46 | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 14:50 |
tvp | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 9 april 2010 @ 18:50 |
Leuk filmpje, maar zo opgezet. Michael zei soms alleen maar 10x 'I love you' tijdens een concert. Best saai eigenlijk, jammer dat er zo weinig gemeend contact was met de fans. | |
Dynd | zaterdag 10 april 2010 @ 08:38 |
Ik ben een hele grage slaper, alleen elk weekend is mijn bioritme weer verstoord door allerlij veel leukere dingen dan slapen. Meestal resulteerd dit in om twee uur 's middags wakker worden. Vandaag zou het niet anders zijn geweest als Michael me niet wakker had gezongen op m'n wekkerradio die ik normaal tegen de muur gooi. Beter wakker worden kan niet, ik ga maar eenz kijken hoe ik dat vaker kan doen. Ik ga maar van m'n dag genieten. Thanks Michael. (Typfouten voorbehouden, ben dus net wakker en op mobiel) | |
tass | zaterdag 10 april 2010 @ 11:39 |
ik ben er ook nog steeds hoor, dus ff een tvp ![]() | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 10 april 2010 @ 12:52 |
quote:Kan je geen liedje instellen als wekker op je telefoon? (Met als risico dat je op een gegeven moment dat liedje gaat haten omdat het je elke ochtend bruut uit je slaap haalt ![]() | |
R4m0n_46 | zaterdag 10 april 2010 @ 12:55 |
quote:Maar dan gaat het leuke verrassende effect weg, waardoor je wakker wilt blijven. | |
SteelDogg | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 13:14 |
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Robijn48 | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 14:05 |
Wat heeft hij gele ogen op de onderste foto, is dat de opname van de foto, of?? | |
gifkwal | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 14:58 |
Hooikoorts ![]() | |
SteelDogg | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 15:03 |
![]() Een van zijn beste foto's in de jaren 2000 - 2009 | |
R4m0n_46 | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 15:16 |
quote:Hier is hij ook niet zo lijkbleek, als dat hij soms was. | |
SteelDogg | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 15:24 |
Dit was net na de rechtszaken in 2005. Zag er erg goed uit, maar dat komt waarschijnlijk ook door zn stemming ![]() Helaas ging hij in 2006 erg achteruit ![]() ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 15:44 |
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tisikke | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 15:57 |
http://i34.tinypic.com/8wgn79.jpg haha | |
JX | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 17:27 |
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Robijn48 | zondag 11 april 2010 @ 22:48 |
Voorbeeld van Michael's betrokkenheid en goedheid. | |
gifkwal | maandag 12 april 2010 @ 09:31 |
quote:Ja, mooi. Hij heeft trouwens het nummer Childhood aan die baby en zijn broertje opgedragen, staat ergens op het HIStory album. | |
Robijn48 | maandag 12 april 2010 @ 18:57 |
Kent iemand deze? Zijn gezicht valt weg onder zijn haar ![]() | |
JX | maandag 12 april 2010 @ 19:06 |
quote:Wat een lief en ontspannen interview ![]() ![]() | |
gifkwal | maandag 12 april 2010 @ 21:45 |
quote:Fascinerend, zeg. Zo zag je hem inderdaad zelden. En ik had geen flauw idee dat hij voor zijn lol naar clubs ging ![]() | |
gifkwal | maandag 12 april 2010 @ 22:15 |
(Ik lees net overigens dat de directeur van die Gardner school een auto-ongeluk heeft gehad en in het ziekenhuis ligt, net op de dag dat hij een afspraak had met wat fans om over die naam te spreken ![]() | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 13 april 2010 @ 17:55 |
quote:Pfff, wat een pech ![]() | |
Sideshowbobbie | dinsdag 13 april 2010 @ 21:12 |
quote:It's a conspiracy ![]() ![]() | |
gifkwal | woensdag 14 april 2010 @ 12:38 |
Michael was a very dear friend who I can't believe is gone. It's still so confusing to me how this could happen to such a great person. We knew Michael not just as a entertainer, but as a friend that would call up on Mothers day and tell me Happy Mothers Day because he was thinking of me. He talked about his sister Janet alot. He loved hearing stories about Ryan and Andrea because he loved how close Andrea and Ryan was just like him and Janet. He talked a lot about his Mom and how I reminded him of his own mom. (I was really thrilled) ... See more One thing I would love people to know about Michael. He was a superstar, entertainer, recording artist, but the silliest things made him happy, having simple fun, laughs, cartoons, playing jokes and making people happy. I remember when Michael came to our house for Ryan's funeral and Michael spent a couple hours in Ryan's room, he just wanted to be close to Ryan. He just sit on his bed for hours. Michael later asked Andrea to see Ryan's red Mustang. Andrea took Michael outside in the front yard where we had Ryan's car surrounded with flowers from people all around the world. Michael got in and turned the car on and "Man In The Mirror" was playing. Michael knew that was the last song Ryan had been listening to. It just thrilled him to know that. It was the simple things that put a smile on his face. He later released "GONE TOO SOON" for Ryan but who would have known he would be joining Ryan and he too would be "GONE TOO SOON" We Love You Michael Jeanne White Mother of Ryan White | |
gifkwal | woensdag 14 april 2010 @ 18:59 |
TMZ: Jackson Doc Was Under Investigation Before Originally posted Jul 8th 2009 10:55 PM PDT by TMZ Staff Dr. Conrad MurryDr. Conrad Murray -- the doctor who was at Michael Jackson's home the day he died -- was once under investigation for an alleged botched surgery. In 2007, Dr. Murray drained fluid from the heart of a 67-year-old Las Vegas patient. The patient died after surgery. According to the coroner's investigation report, his wife was told by one of the docs her husband's heart was punctured during the procedure -- so she complained to the coroner's office. The investigation report confirms that, during Dr. Murray's surgery, the patient suffered a puncture to the right ventricle of his heart, which was eventually listed as one of four causes of death on the autopsy report. We spoke to the family, who told us they wanted to file a malpractice suit but it was too expensive -- in part because pursuing that kind of legal action requires testimony from another medical expert, and that costs a lot of money. Altogether, the suit proved to be too much trouble and the family stayed quiet ... until now. Lekker dan!!! | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 15 april 2010 @ 12:35 |
quote:Nog nooit geziennn. Wat een man was het toch ook ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 15 april 2010 @ 12:36 |
quote:Idd, lekker dan! Dit bericht is van 8 juli vorig jaar? Waarom horen we daar nu niets meer van ![]() | |
Robijn48 | vrijdag 16 april 2010 @ 16:48 |
Toch maar even dit neerzetten. Stelletje stomme geldwolven ![]() Michael Jackson Wacky Claims Rejected Originally posted Apr 12th 2010 2:15 PM PDT by TMZ Staff TMZ has learned Michael Jackson's estate has rejected 6 creditor's claims, including one for a whopping $300,000,000. Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the estate, just filed legal papers rejecting Allgood Entertainment's $300 mil claim over a Jackson family concert that got derailed because of the ill-fated London concerts. Now for the wacky ones: First up, Jose Freddie Vallejos, a pissed-off private citizen who wants $3.3 million so he can reimburse the City of L.A. for the Jackson memorial. Next, Claire McMillan, who wants more than $2 million for her homeschooling services. Nona Paris Lola Ankhesenamun Jackson claims to have been married to MJ and wants custody of the 3 kids ... the estate is telling her to pound sand. And then there's Richard Lapointe, who wants $5 mil for an MJ memorabilia auction that was canceled. Helen Harris-Scott has also been told to take a hike. She's demanding $50 mil because she claims Jacko had her phone wiretapped and had organized criminals watch her. We're told the estate will be rejecting more claims .... soon. | |
SteelDogg | vrijdag 16 april 2010 @ 18:17 |
HEEL LANG, maar wel interessant. 'Geheime' opgenomen telefoongesprekken. Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back. ... But his words are so haunting. Michael Jackson:If it weren't for children, I would choose death. Words of pain and torment. Michael Jackson: Anybody else would probably be dead by now, or a junkie, with what I've been through. Bitterness and rivalry. Rabbi Shmuley: What about jealousy from other stars and things like that? Is there a lot of jealousy? Michael Jackson: Absolutely ... and "M" is one of em. Madonna. Hate to say that on tape. And a legendary star's deepest fears. Rabbi Shmuley: Do you want to have a long life? Michael Jackson: I think growing old is the ugliest, the most, the ugliest thing. Rabbi Shmuley: I don't think that Michael Jackson will ever be looked at the same after this book. It's impossible. There's just too much rawness and honesty of Michael in this book for anyone to ever perceive him as the same. Now, for the first time, spilling out across page, and on tape: Michael Jackson in his own words. Up until now, these recordings have never been released. They're being played exclusively on NBC, along with the release of a new book: The Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals His Soul In Intimate Conversation. Author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach -- a relationship expert who calls himself "America's Rabbi" -- calls it "The King Of Pop Raw," exposed like never before. Rabbi Shmuley: You could see that there was a woundednessto him, he wasn't very trusting, he opened up very slowly. Meredith Vieira, NBC News: But one of the first questions that people might ask is "did you betray his confidence in any way by releasing these tapes now, after his death?" Rabbi Shmuley: Not only have I not betrayed any confidences, Michael used to hold the tape recorders directly to his mouth. He would constantly talk to me about the book. “Make sure this is in the book." He desperately wanted this out. He counted mega-celebrities like Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor among his closest friends. But this is Michael Jackson bluntly dissing Hollywood. Rabbi Shmuley: Why don't you hang out with those celebrities, more Hollywood people? Michael Jackson: They love the limelight and I don't have anything in common with them. They want to go clubbing and afterwards they want to sit around and drink hard liquor and do marijuana and all kinds of crazy things that I wouldn't do. And forget the mask, the chimp, the baby dangling, and any other eccentric behavior we already know about. Here, Jackson talks openly about his oddest -- and saddest -- habits. Michael Jackson: I needed someone. That's probably why I had, uh, the mannequins, I would say. Because I felt I needed people, someone, and I didn't have, I was too shy to be around real people. I love them, it's like real babies, and kids, and people, but it makes me feel like I am in a room with people. Rabbi Shmuley first met Michael Jackson in 1999, and began recording their conversations a year later, when Jackson was 42 years old. Theirs was an unlikely friendship -- but the Orthodox rabbi had became a confidant and spiritual advisor to the King Of Pop. Rabbi Shmuley: As we got to know each other more, I think he began to believe that I got him. Meredith Vieira: Did he see in you then, Rabbi, the opportunity to be a regular guy? Rabbi Shmuley: So many of us look at Michael as strange and weird, that's not what I experienced. He never wore a mask in my presence. The kids were never veiled in my presence. Michael wasn't a celebrity for me anymore. Meredith Vieira: What did you see? Rabbi Shmuley: Indescribable pain. Tremendous remorse and regret. Shmuley says Jackson, who was still reeling from 1993 sexual abuse allegations, wanted the public to hear his voice. Meredith Vieira: The plan was always to publish the conversations? Rabbi Shmuley: Absolutely. Meredith Vieira: But why did he want that out there? Why did he want a book of the conversations? Rabbi Shmuley: He knew that the public was deeply suspicious of him. I think he wanted be known as a man without a mask. During the nine-month period when the tapes were made, the rabbi says he and Jackson were so close, he considered him part of the family. Shmuley's children still have Marshmallow, the dog Jackson gave them, along with fond memories of the many Friday nights when the King Of Pop joined them in Englewood, New Jersey for Sabbath dinner. Rabbi Shmuley: He used to tell me they were the most special evenings of his life. He would arrive with Prince and Paris, very often his-- security detail would join us. And we would just sit around and Michael would just laugh and giggle. Prince and Paris, who were toddlers at the time, were often in tow when the tape recorders were rolling too -- sometimes jumping right into the conversation. Rabbi Shmuley: How old were you now? Prince (in background): We're three! (laughter) If the world sees him as the strange father who cloaked his children in masks, the tapes reveal the tender dad we didn't see. Michael Jackson: Like I say to Prince and Paris, "You know why I bought you this?" They say "because you love me." I say "yes, that's why I bought it." They need to know that. The rabbi says family bonding was such a central part of his friendship with Jackson that they began working on a national campaign to promote Friday nights as family night. Rabbi Shmuley: A national family dinner time. Because families who eat with their children, it minimizes drug use, early sexuality, there are so many benefits. It's a dream rooted in Jackson's own childhood scars. Michael Jackson: If I had, if there were a children's day when I was little, and I looked at my father and say "OK, Daddy, Joseph,-what are we going to do today?", you know what that would've meant to me? He go "Well, want to go to the movies?" That would've meant so much to me, Shmuley. (tearing up) With his tears sometimes audible, the Michael Jackson you'll hear now comes out from behind his mask, unveiling a man few people knew –or could ever comprehend. Michael Jackson: And I'm -- I'm going to say something I've never said it before, uh, um, and this is the truth, Shmuley. I-- I have no reason to lie to you. God knows I'm telling the truth. I think all my success and fame --and I've wanted it. I've wanted it. Because I wanted to be loved. That's all. As the lead singer of the Jackson 5, Michael Jackson was a childhood sensation. But behind his beaming smile, there was searing pain. Michael Jackson: It's true, Shmuley. I suffered a lot in that way. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael had a broken childhood. There were always two Michael Jacksons. There was Michael Jackson, African-American boy from Gary, Indiana, who grew up in abject poverty. And then, there was the King Of Pop. Jackson, the King Of Pop, has talked about Michael, the boy, before ... But never like this. In unsettling detail, he opens up about his fear of his father and manager, Joe Jackson. Michael Jackson: You'd look in the audience, and he'd make a face like this. You'd go,"I can't mess up, he's gonna kill us.” It would scare the bejesus out of you and you'd be like, everybody's clapping and he'd be like, like looking at you hard, like "Don't you mess up" and you know, I'm like, "Oh God, I'm in trouble after the show." Rabbi Shmuley: There was no one on Michael's mind more than his father Joseph, no one. His father came up constantly, usually in painful, negative stories. Jackson told Shmuley that growing up, he and his siblings would dread the moment their father came home. Michael Jackson: We'd hear his car comin' the driveway. He always drove a big Mercedes and he drives real slow. "Joseph's home, Joseph's home, quick!" Doors slam, everybody runs to their room. Like there's sometimes I'd be in bed at night sleeping, it's 12 at night. The door is locked. He said, "I'm giving you five seconds, you don't open, I'm going to kick it down." And he starts kicking it, boom! Like breaking the door down. Why didn't you sign that contract today? I go, "I don't know." He goes, "Well, sign it. If you don't sign it, you are in trouble." Rabbi Shmuley: So you would sign? Michael Jackson: I had to! He would, he was very physical. He'd throw you and hit you as hard as he can. And as Michael describes to the rabbi, they were beatings that sometimes got brutal. Michael Jackson: He was rough. The way he would beat you, you know, was hard, you know. Sometime he take, um, he would make you strip nude first. He would oil you down. It would be a whole ritual. He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know. And it would just like be dying and you had whips all over your face, your back, everywhere. And I always hear my mother, "No, Joe! You're gonna kill 'em. You're gonna kill 'em, no!" I would just give up, like there was nothing I could do, you know? And I, and I hated him for it, hated him. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was terrified of his father. Terrified, and also resentful. Rabbi Shmuley: Did you begin to feel that you were like a moneymaking machine for him? Michael Jackson: Yes. I'll never forget it, one day he said, "If you guys ever stop singing, I'll drop you like a hot potato." That's what he said. It hurt me. You don't say that to children and I never forgot it. It was a shunning of affection that colored almost all Jackson's childhood memories of his father. Michael Jackson: I never felt love from him. And he would never hold me or touch me. Rabbi Shmuley: He only has one memory of his father ever doing anything loving for him as a child. He was about 5 years old. He was at a carnival. And his father picked him up and put him on a horse. And he said he has relived that moment almost every day of his life. Michael learned the devastating effects of neglecting a child. Jackson told Shmuley his sadness created a torment so wrenching that he and his siblings even fantasized about their father being dead. Michael Jackson: We used to say to our mother, we used to say to each other, and I'll never forget this. Janet and myself, we say, I would say, "Janet, shut your eyes." She'd go, "Okay, they're shut." I'd say, "Picture Joseph in a coffin. He's dead. Did you feel sorry?" She'd go, "No." That's what we used to do to each other as kids. We'd like play games like that. She'd go, she'd go, "Nope." Just like that. And that's how hateful we were. Jackson's siblings have said in the past that Joe Jackson was hard on them, but their descriptions are inconsistent. And Joe Jackson has said he whipped his son, but never beat him. A spokesman for the Jackson family told us "The family will not dignify this with a comment." Meredith Vieira: You've met Joe Jackson. Rabbi Shmuley: I have. Meredith Vieira: Does this ring true to you, does it make sense to you? Rabbi Shmuley: What's not important, as far as Michael is concerned, is whether or not these allegations are true, they may not be true, but Michael certainly perceived them to be true. And like most things in Jackson's life, nothing was black and white. At times, he spoke fondly of his father -- crediting him with much of his own success. Michael Jackson: And God bless my father because he did some wonderful things, and he was brilliant, he was a genius. Meredith Vieira: He always talks about how brilliant his dad was. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was wrestling with his anger and his disappointment. Rabbi Shmuley: And how do you view him today? Michael Jackson: I'm scared of my father to this day. My father walk in the room -- and God knows I'm telling the truth. I've fainted in his presence many times. I'll say once, to be honest. I fainted once. I've thrown up in his presence because just when he comes in the room, ugh, this aura comes and my stomach start hurting and I know like I'm in trouble. And now, he's so different now. And he wants to be a better father. I just wished he had of learned that earlier. Rabbi Shmuley: Why are you still scared then? Michael Jackson: Because the scar is still there. I'm like an angel in front of him, I'm scared. One day he said "Why are you scared of me?" And I couldn't answer. I thought, I said, “Joseph, do you know what you've done? Do you know what you've done to me?" Rabbi Shmuley: I think that it was Michael's inability to be reconciled with his father that ultimately, more than anything else, consumed him. Meredith Vieira: Because? Rabbi Shmuley: Because he wanted his father's validation and love more than anything else. Meredith Vieira: And when he didn't get it? Rabbi Shmuley: He couldn't heal. Millions of fans couldn't heal him. He may well have been the most famous celebrity of all time -- imitated, adored, and revered by fans around the world. But Michael Jackson's conversations with Rabbi Shmuley reveal a man that almost no-one knew, so wounded by his father's neglect that all he ached for was love. Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back. Rabbi Shmuley: You thought if you became a great star, very successful and loved by the world, your father would love you too? Michael Jackson: Mmhmm. Rabbi Shmuley: So you could change him that way. Michael Jackson: Mmhmm. I was hoping I could, I was hoping I could get love from other people. I needed it, real bad, you know? Rabbi Shmuley: A guy whose career was world famous and now he's saying "It wasn't ‘cause I love music, it wasn't because I love dancing." It was because I'm so lonely. Meredith Vieira: Rabbi, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't sort of, you know, making up excuses for you too? "Oh, I'm this way because my father was mean to me"? Rabbi Shmuley: You can't fake sincerity. He cried through much of these tapes. He was just gasping for breath at times. I mean, this was a confessional that he had never really undergone. With surprising honesty -- as you've never heard him before -- Michael Jackson talks candidly about race. He believes his broad appeal to white fans made him suffer more than any famous black star before him. Michael Jackson: You had Belafonte, you had Sammy, you had Nat King Cole. People loved their music, but they didn't get adulation, they didn't get crying. I was the first one to break the ice, break the mold, where white girls, Scottish girls, Irish girls screaming, "I'm in love with you, I want to -" And that gave a lot of the white press, they didn't like that, and that's why they started the stories. "He's weird." "He's gay." "He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber." "He wants to buy the Elephant Man bones" -- anything that turn people against me. They tried their hardest. In addition to accusing the press of racism, Jackson divulges painful stories about the ugly overtones of race that hovered over his family, long after he became a superstar. Michael Jackson: My mother - she was pulling out of the market, right, it was a block from my house in Encino and she was in her Mercedes. And this white guy in a car screams out to her, "Go back to Africa, you n***ger." Just like that. It hurt me so much that that happened to be mother. Or stories of my brothers in their Rolls-Royces, you know, get out of the car, lock the door, when they come back to the car they would find a key, some guy walked by and scrape off all the paint. Shmuley Boteach: 'Cause it was a black man driving it? Michael Jackson: A black man driving a Rolls Royce, you know. I just hate anything to do with because the color of a person's skin had nothing to do with the content of their character. And despite being one of the most influential entertainers of all time, Jackson says he never understood why he still couldn't catch a break from the press, even when he wrote ballads like "earth song" and focused on making the world a better place. Michael Jackson: I've been an ambassador of goodwill all over the world, spreading this message, did we do heal the world, treaty of all nations, circling this huge globe? What I don't understand is just singing about sex and "I want to get in a hot tub with you baby and rub you all over" and, but I get battered in the press as the weirdo. Michael Jackson: And the press, they wait--wait with knives, really... Shmuley Boteach: For you to fail? Michael Jackson: Absolutely. They try and shred me apart. Because when you are the top-selling artist of all time, the records that are broken, they wait. You're the target now. Get him down, get him, you know what I mean? As he opened up to the rabbi, Jackson could sound narcissistic. Michael Jackson: Going to my shows, it's like a religious experience, because you come out, you go in one person, you come out a different person. But more often, he sounds anguished and sad. The star who spent his adult life morphing from one look to another, actually admits his own face repulses him. Michael Jackson: I saw it on the computer, it made me sick when I saw it. Rabbi Shmuley: Why? Michael Jackson: I look like a lizard, I look like, it's horrible. I don't like it, I never like it. That's why I wish I could never be photographed or seen and I push myself to go to the things that we go to. Michael Jackson: I just don't want to look old. I hate to see people grow old, Shmuley. Meredith Vieira: He didn't want to see himself in the mirror with wrinkles. He had a whole thing about getting older. Did he ever talk to you about plastic surgery? Rabbi Shmuley: I used to always tell him that he had to stop. He swore to me he did. But he didn't. Jackson also shared with the rabbi some disturbing details about his eating habits -- confessing that on his dangerous tour, his friend Elizabeth Taylor literally had to force him to eat. Michael Jackson: I wouldn't eat. She took the spoon and would put it into my mouth. Rabbi Shmuley: Really? Michael Jackson: When I get really upset or hurt, I don't eat. I go on a food, I just get - until I'm unconscious. Then they started doing it intravenously, you know, because I just, my body breaks down, I won't eat. And then there were the drugs. Although Shmuley says he never saw Jackson actually taking them, he did tell the star he was concerned -- especially after one doctor complained that Jackson had asked for a dose of drugs that could kill a horse. Rabbi Shmuley: He medicated away all his problems. When a man is slowly making his body into a walking pharmacy, it was so obvious: Michael's drugs were primarily an escape from loneliness Even back in 2001, Michael Jackson seemed to be drowning in an ocean of despair. In fact, the only thing that seemed to keep him going was his love for children. Rabbi Shmuley: So what gave you the strength to persevere? Michael Jackson: Believing in children. Believing in young people. Believing that God gave me this for a reason, to help my babies. Little did he know how soon that belief -- and one child in particular -- would lead to accusations that this time would forever tarnish his career. If Michael Jackson was a man who never had a childhood, he seemed to spend most of his adulthood chasing it. If he could, he told the rabbi, he would stay a child forever. Michael Jackson: I would love to come back as as a child that never grows old, like Peter Pan. In fact, even at age 27, when “Thriller” was topping the charts, the King Of Pop was still living at home with Mom and Dad. Michael Jackson: I thought I was still this little kid. It's not time for me to go yet. I said I'm still a boy. I'm not supposed to leave home yet. I really felt that in my heart. And when he did finally move out, Michael Jackson remained as childlike as ever -- famously naming his ranch "Neverland" -- a place where he surrounded himself with laughing children, and relished playing games like hide-and-go seek. Michael Jackson: I see beauty in all children. They all beautiful to me. They're so beautiful and I love them all -- equally. Rabbi Shmuley: He wanted to have an ordinary life. But for him, ordinary meant reversing to his childhood. That if he could just build Neverland and have rides, which he didn't have when he was a kid. If he could just have monkey bars and merry-go-rounds, which he didn't have when he was a kid, that he would heal. But Neverland was a place where innocence and darkness would collide as the real motives behind the King Of Pop's connection to children raised unsettling questions. Rabbi Shmuley: He didn't like talking about that. That was very painful for him. To the extent that he talked about it, he would say that it was a lie-- it was a lie. What Jackson does talk openly about on tape -- at great length - is his deep empathy for children, telling the rabbi he can't bear to see them suffer. Michael Jackson: It can be in a movie or I could be in a department store and I'll hear someone arguing at their child, I break down and cry. Because it reflects how I was treated when I was little. I cry -- I break down at that moment and I shake and I cry. I can't take it. It's hard. Jackson didn't just love children, he told the rabbi. He needed them -- they were his refuge, his saviors. Michael Jackson: The happiness and the joy that I see in the eyes of the children. They give me-- they saved my life so I want to, give it back [starts crying]. They saved me, Shmuley. I'm not joking. Meredith Vieira: He says children have literally saved his life. What did he mean? Rabbi Shmuley: That it's the only thing left he has to live for. He had achieved all his dreams. He'd become a billionaire, but that didn't make him happy. He had become the most recognizable face on earth, arguably, but that didn't make him happy. The only thing that did was to learn from the pain of his absent childhood, to teach others that children are precious. And that gave him purpose. But it was a mission Jackson seemed to take to an extreme -- even telling the rabbi he sees himself as a universal father who has the power to heal sick children. Rabbi Shmuley: Do you feel that God gave you a certain healing power? Michael Jackson: Yes. And I've seen children just shower all over me with love. They want to just touch me and hug me and completely just hold on and cry and not let go. And mothers pick their babies and put them into my arms. "Touch my baby, and hold them, touch my baby, touch my baby." Meredith Vieira: He did see himself as somewhat of a Messiah, with healing powers Rabbi Shmuley: He would say to me, "I want to devote my whole life to helping kids, that's the only thing that's important to me." And I would say, "You can help kids. But you're not their parent. Stop believing you're the child's Messiah." In august of 2000, Jackson invited Rabbi Shmuley and his family to Neverland. At the very same time, a young boy, a 13-year-old cancer patient, was also visiting. Michael Jackson: Every time I talk to him, he is in a better spirit. Rabbi Shmuley: You're healing him, not just speaking to him? Michael Jackson: I KNOW I'm healing him. He says, "I need you Michael." Then he calls me "Dad." I go, "You better ask your Dad if it is OK for you to call me that." He goes, "Dad, is it OK if I call Michael 'Dad?'" [laughs] And he says, "Yeah, no problem, whatever you want." [laughs]. Kids always do that and I always feel that I don't want the parents to get jealous that it happens sometimes and it rubs fathers in a strange way. And the kids end up just falling in love with my personality. Sometimes it gets me into trouble, you know, but I'm just there to help. Three years later, that boy would accuse Michael Jackson of molesting him during that sleepover visit to Neverland. And though Jackson was ultimately vindicated after a 14-week trial, the charges would forever tarnish Jackson's name. Meredith Vieira: You went to Neverland. You were there when that boy was there. Rabbi Shmuley: Correct. Meredith Vieira: Did you ever see anything untoward? Did you get the feeling there's something odd here? Rabbi Shmuley: No, I never saw anything. And, Shmuley says, the singer had repeatedly -- and emphatically -- denied similar allegations lodged against him in 1993, when another 13-year-old boy who had traveled around the world with Jackson filed a civil suit against him. Meredith Vieira: All of the attraction that he had to children, and the attention that he paid to children, you believe all of it was innocent? Rabbi Shmuley: I don't know. What was certainly true is that he wasn't a monster. He may have done something that was unforgiveable even, but that didn't make him a monster. If the King Of Pop was drawn to children, he was often shy and awkward with women, as you'll hear in candid revelations about his celebrity dates, and crushes, from Madonna to Brooke Shields to Princess Diana. On Tape, Michael Jackson is a man full of contradictions. Michael Jackson: I pray when I see something totally magnificent. How could you not see that and go "Wow, what a good God"? Reflective and grateful at times, so self-absorbed and brazen at others, that he sounds almost delusional about his power. Rabbi Shmuley: You believe if you were face to face with Hitler you could have... Michael Jackson: Absolutely. Rabbi Shmuley: You really think you could have gotten through to Hitler? Michael Jackson: Yes. Mm hmm. Rabbi Shmuley: By finding the good in him somehow? Michael Jackson: Yes, I think I could have. I really do. I think nobody really talked to him. I hate to say -- brownnosers. But that's what they were. That's what he wanted. That's what they did. Meredith Vieira: On the one side, he seems to be very self-loathing, hates what he sees in the mirror, insecure. On the other hand, he paints himself to be somebody who could heal sick children, who could turn Hitler around. Rabbi Shmuley: Unbelievable statements. He was either showing me an incredibly wholesome side that made you fall in love with the kind of person he was, or a strange, bizarre dimension messiah complex. Insatiable for attention. When it comes to women, the King Of Pop sounds especially conflicted. He describes his mom Katherine as nothing short of saintly. Michael Jackson: I don't know anybody like her, she's like a Mother Teresa. There's very few people like that. Rabbi Shmuley: He adored his mother and cherished her. Meredith Vieira: And yet, when he talks about other women, you got the sense that he didn't trust women. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael exhibited tendencies of misogyny. That women are materialistic, that women want things from you. Michael Jackson: Women can do some things that make guys very unhappy. I've seen it with my brothers. I've seen my brothers crying, in tears and pulling the grass out of the lawn out of frustration because of their wives. Jackson describes women as manipulative, disappointing. Here, he talks about how badly Lisa Marie Presley let him down when she didn't want children. Michael Jackson: She promised me that before we married, that would be the first thing we'd do is have children. So I was broken-hearted and I walked around all the time holding these little baby dolls and I'd be crying, that's how badly I wanted it, you know. For a 42-year-old man, the immaturity that comes across on Michael Jackson's tapes is startling. Sometimes, he sounds just like a teenager. Michael Jackson: I've never asked a girl out in my life, they have to ask me. Rabbi Shmuley: Really? Michael Jackson: Yeah. I can't ask a girl out. Had he been able to muster up the courage, Jackson told Rabbi Shmuley there was a certain princess who would have been at the top of his list. Michael Jackson: I liked the way Lady Diana would make her kids wait in line, you know, at amusement parks and things. Like everybody. I thought that was so beautiful. She was good. Rabbi Shmuley: You felt an immediate connection with her? Michael Jackson: Yeah, I loved her very much. Yeah, she was my type, she was my type for sure. There was no date with Lady Di. But romance was definitely in the air when the King Of Pop stepped out with other high profile celebs. Tatum O'Neal was his first girlfriend. Michael Jackson: When I held Tatum's hand, I was, like, in heaven. It was the most magical thing. It was better than kissing her, it was better than anything. I remember we went to this club, and I don't go to clubs, which was called the Roxy. And I watching the band, I was sitting there, and underneath the table, she was holding my hand, and I was, like. melting. Rabbi Shmuley: She held your hand and you felt love? Michael Jackson: Fireworks going off. The song “Pretty Young Thing” could easily have been inspired by his affection for Brooke Shields. Michael Jackson: That was one of the loves of my life. I think she loved me as much as I loved her, you know? We dated a lot. We, we went out a lot. Her pictures were all over my wall, my mirror, everything. And I went to the Academy Awards with Diana Ross and this girl walks up to me and says "Hi, I'm Brooke Shields." Then she goes "Are you going to the after-party?" I go, "Yeah." "Good, I'll see you at the party." I'm going "Oh my God, does she know she's all over my room?" So we go the after-party. She comes up to me she goes, "Will you dance with me?" I went, "Yes. I will dance with you." Man, we exchanged numbers and I was up all night, singing, spinning around my room, just so happy. It was great. At Jackson's memorial service, Shields would reflect tearfully on their tender bond. Brooke Shields: When we were together, we were two little kids having fun. Meredith Vieira: Did you get the feeling talking to him that he ever got beyond that sort of that adolescent approach to romance, the kind of giggly, almost kid-like? Rabbi Shmuley: For me, it was actually something, you know, it was a blessing to see such a famous man saying that holding hands was suddenly so special. But if you asked me in general, do I think that there was an adolescent quality to Michael? Of course. It's a quality that made for an odd match with one star who wasn't the least bit shy about doing the asking out: Madonna (at the MTV music awards): I asked him out to dinner: I said, “My treat, I'll drive, just you and me.” Jackson was all smiles in the car. But on these tapes, he reveals that the material girl's saucy ways felt more than a little dangerous. Michael Jackson: You know, at the time I was with Madonna, she was into books, all over, a whole collec--like a library of books of women who were tied to walls, different things. She said, "I love spanky books." Why would I want to see that? I think she likes shock value. Madonna laid down the law to me before we went out. "I am not going to Disneyland, okay? That's out." I said "I didn't ask you to go Disneyland." She said, “We are going to the restaurant and afterwards we are going to a strip bar." I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. Guys who are, are girls. Said "I am not going to go there,” and I think afterwards she wrote some mean things about me in the press and I said that she's a nasty witch. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael's tough on Madonna in the book. And he seems to be saying that the reason is that Madonna tried to drag him into a world of prurience. And maybe there was somewhat of a rivalry between them. Whether it was a true rivalry or not, Jackson does paint Madonna as envious when he talks about jealousy in Hollywood. Michael Jackson: They admire you and know you're wonderful and great but just they're jealous 'cause they wish they were in your place, wish they were in your shoes. And "M" is one of 'em. Madonna. She's not a nice, she hasn't been kind - Rabbi Shmuley: She's jealous? Michael Jackson: Absolutely. She's a woman and I think that's what bothers her. Women don't scream for other women. men are too cool to scream for women and i get that. I get the fainting and the adulation and the notoriety but she doesn't. She can't get that. But like Brooke Shields, Madonna had only fond memories of her time with Jackson when she hailed him in a moving speech at the MTV video music awards. Madonna: We sat on the couch like two kids, and somewhere in the middle of the film, his hand snuck over and held mine. It felt like he was looking for a friend more than a romance and I was happy to oblige him. And Shmuley suspects that now, Jackson would be far less harsh on his friend Madge than he was in the tapes recorded 9 years ago. Rabbi Shmuley: At the time, you know, Madonna had a certain image. She has-- changed that image substantially. Michael -- used to speculate that as a mother, she would change. And he probably would agree with that today. One thing was clear though -- to the rabbi, Jackson seemed incapable of sustaining any meaningful relationship with a woman. And with no adult love in his life, was the writing on the wall? He talked about vanishing. Michael Jackson: I would like to- some kind of way disappear, where people don't see me anymore. His fear of growing old... Michael Jackson: I just don't want to look old and start forgetting. And hauntingly, his own death. Michael Jackson: When the body breaks down, and you start to wrinkle, I think it's so bad. Rabbi Shmuley: So you would die before that happens? Michael Jackson: Uh.. I don't want to grow old. Rabbi Shmuley: You don't want to die young? Michael Jackson: Um, you're asking me an interesting question. You sure you want my answer? He couldn't stand the thought of himself with gray hair -- and at 42, Michael Jackson was already fixated on his final resting place. Michael Jackson: I want to be buried right where there's children. I would feel safer that way. I want them next to me. I need their spirit. Meredith Vieira: There are a number of comments that Michael made to you in these tapes that in light of his premature death are-- are eerie. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael said to me constantly, "If I can't help kids, then I will find a way to terminate my life." Meredith Vieira: Did he have a death wish? Rabbi Shmuley: He lost the will to live. Did that mean that he consciously wanted to die? Probably not. I think he was just going through the motions of life toward the end and medicating away almost any kind of human response. In 2001, after counseling Michael Jackson for two years -- and capturing 30 hours of his innermost thoughts on tape-- Rabbi Shmuley cut ties with the star. He says the King Of Pop was slipping from his reach, so lured by the pull of fame -- and the seduction of pain numbing drugs -- that he completely lost interest in their philanthropic projects. Rabbi Shmuley: For two years, I really felt that I was making headway in helping Michael restructure his life, but once I saw that Michael was treating my advice as if I were a nuisance. I had to end our relationship. Was I gonna applaud as he slowly self-immolated? If I'm just another someone who's afraid to tell him that he's got to stop doing drugs, then what was I doing there? Meredith Vieira: But was there a part of you, as a rabbi, as somebody who had explored his deepest pain with him, who felt, I'm deserting him? Rabbi Shmuley: If I had gone back, Meredith, not only would I not have helped him, I would have been dragged into that destructive vortex, and I would have needed help. To the rabbi, the tragic writing was already on the wall. In 2004, he stated publicly that he feared the worst. Rabbi Shmuley: That Michael will be dead in a few years. He is headed toward Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Janice Joplin. It's almost inescapable. Still, the rabbi was devastated, when at age 50, Michael Jackson did suddenly die. Meredith Vieira: Your initial reaction to his death was anger. Rabbi Shmuley: My first reaction was, you stupid, stupid man, how could you do this? How could you orphan your children? Your children have no mother. Meredith Vieira: Is that what hurt you most, the fact that he is not there to father his children anymore? Rabbi Shmuley: What hurt me most is that Michael threw away his life, and God endowed this special man with talent that the rest of us could only dream of. Why did it have to end tragically? Michael Jackson: I want to always be youthful and have the energy to run around and play hide and seek, which is one of my favorite games. It is Michael Jackson's own voice, his own words, his deeply personal revelations - that now make the rabbi hopeful that in some way America can make sense of his death, that we can learn something. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael's life demands redemption. You can't have someone die at 50 from an overdose and not try to learn some moral lesson. Michael Jackson: I wanted to become such a wonderful performer that I would get loved back. I was hoping I could get love from other people. Shmuley believes the book, and the tapes, will help the public see in Jackson a tragic example of what happens when the scars of neglect never heal. Rabbi Shmuley: A world renowned superstar invites the public into the pain of his childhood, so that parents would learn from that they will now truly understand the horrors that were visited on him. Meredith Vieira: But forgive me Rabbi, some people are gonna look at the book and say "Well, wait a minute, the book comes out after Michael Jackson has died, but you profit off the book. Rabbi Shmuley: Well Meredith, let's remember. I've written 21 books, so publishing books is what I do. This book earned a modest advance. Much of the proceeds are gonna be used for organizations that promote family and values. This book is a redemptive book, and it's a beautiful book. Michael Jackson: I've seen the worst, the nightmare of the human condition, the human soul, of what I would never even think common man would be capable of behaving in such a way. Meredith Vieira: When you hear his voice now, when you play those tapes over, what do you hear in that voice? Rabbi Shmuley: It's the saddest thing in the world. A man trying to break through this-- this cage. A man trying to break through the people's perception, the fame, saying, "I'm a person." Rabbi Shmuley: You're not angry at God, you're not angry at the world? Michael Jackson: I'm not angry -- I'm very, taken by it. I'm hurt. I cry an awful lot. Michael Jackson: I think all my success and fame and - I've wanted it, I've wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That's all. Michael Jackson's tapes leave us clues, but like other tragic icons before him, questions will linger for years about the broken soul behind the mask. | |
Zapato | vrijdag 16 april 2010 @ 18:30 |
Heb ik al eerder gelezen, maar heartbreaking verhaal met een imo zeer ware kern van waarheid erin. Zo zonde. | |
Robijn48 | vrijdag 16 april 2010 @ 18:32 |
Bovenstaande staat allemaal in het boek: the Michael Jackson tapes. Heartbreaking. | |
R4m0n_46 | vrijdag 16 april 2010 @ 19:50 |
Heb het zojuist allemaal doorgelezen. Heartbreaking inderdaad. | |
MJ44ever | zaterdag 17 april 2010 @ 08:16 |
Het klinkt wel allemaal alsof Michael dat ook gezegd kan hebben maar ik zou het toch willen horen ipv lezen. Zullen we altijd van die tegenstrijdige berichten blijven horen over dat hij gelukkig of ongelukkig was? Of heeft hij echt zo een gespleten persoonlijkheid dat hij zich écht de ene dag niet gelukkig voelde en dat ook zei tegen de mensen en zich de dag daarna wel gelukkig voelde en dit ook zei tegen de mensen. Ik snap het niet hoor. En ook over Joe. Zo praten over Joe en toch zat Joe elke dag in de rechtzaal. Dat is toch dubbel? | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 17 april 2010 @ 21:26 |
Die tapes staan gewoon op Youtube hoor | |
MJ44ever | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 09:38 |
Allemaal? Want hij heeft toch een boe ervan gemaakt. Als ze allemaal op internet staan koopt toch niemand dat boek? | |
gifkwal | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 10:24 |
quote:Dat weet ik eerlijk gezegd niet. Maar wat hierboven allemaal geschreven staat heb ik al een keer op tape gehoord. Maar dat zullen dan wel de stukjes zijn die Schmuley zelf heeft uitgebracht. | |
Robijn48 | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 11:46 |
quote:Het staat dus op tape, en het is onmiskenbaar Michael die je hoort. Of alle gesprekken in het boek zijn opgenomen weet ik ook niet (ook al heb ik het boek), waarschijnlijk heeft Schmuley de markantste uitspraken eruit gepikt. Weet je...ik denk dat het allemaal niet zo zwart wit was wat zijn vader betreft. Hij heeft duidelijk liefde van zijn vader gemist, hem dat ook kwalijk genomen, maar ondertussen ging het leven wel gewoon door. Daar komt bij dat het een muzikale familie betrof, die 1 lijn wilden trekken naar de buitenwereld. Ik denk dat hij zijn hele leven geworsteld heeft met zijn gevoelens voor zijn vader. En hopelijk heeft Joe Jackson het later beter willen doen...zoals tijdens de rechtzaak. Michael was een gevoelig en intelligent persoon. Dat maakt ook veel uit, denk ik. | |
Robijn48 | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 21:40 |
![]() ![]() Oeps, beetje groot ![]() [ Bericht 12% gewijzigd door Robijn48 op 18-04-2010 21:50:02 ] | |
gifkwal | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 22:02 |
quote: ![]() ![]() Het tweede plaatje doet het niet bij mij. | |
Robijn48 | zondag 18 april 2010 @ 22:10 |
quote:Oh pfff is het weer zover. Bij mij is die dus goed te zien (veel te goed, want veel te groot, maar weet niet hoe te verkleinen) maar hij zal wel weer weg zijn morgen ofzo. Ja, pizza's, briefjes, ballonnen, van alles kwam er uit die ramen ![]() | |
tisikke | maandag 19 april 2010 @ 18:43 |
dit mag ik graag lezen het is even een flinke lap tekst maar zeker de moeite waard By Christopher Hamilton (January 5, 2006) Email to a friend | Print Friendly Buzz up! What do you think of when you hear the name, Michael Jackson? Wacko? Criminal? Great Entertainer? Businessman? Whatever you think of MJ, throw all your thoughts out of the window and let's examine some facts. For years the media has labeled him "Wacko Jackson." What happened to MJ? Wasn't he the biggest thing in music at one point? When did he go crazy? All anyone has to do is look when Michael started being portrayed as "Crazy." It wasn't during the "Thriller" years. It's cool being a song and dance man. That's what they want. DON'T DARE BECOME A THINKING BUSINESSMAN. DON'T DARE BUY THE BEATLES CATALOG. DON'T DARE MARRY ELVIS' DAUGHTER. DON'T DARE BEAT THE RECORD INDUSTRY AT THEIR OWN GAME. Michael started being labeled crazy when he began making business moves that no one had been successful at doing. Michael took two cultural icons and shattered them to pieces. All our lives, we've been bombarded with 2 facts. The Beatles were the greatest group of all time and Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll. Michael bought the Beatles and married the King's daughter. (if that ain't literally sticking it to the man) If I wasn't a cynic, I'd say Michael did the Lisa Marie thing just to stick it to the people who consider Elvis the King. The Beatles were great, but they weren't great enough to maintain publishing rights over their own songs. Elvis was great, but he didn't write his songs. His manager, Col Tom Parker, was the mastermind behind Elvis ... keeping him drugged with fresh subscription pills and doing all the paperwork. Michael could do no wrong as an entertainer. "Off the Wall," first solo artist with 4 top ten singles. "Thriller," the biggest selling album of all time, with a then record 7 top ten singles. "Bad," the first album to spawn 5 number one songs (even Thriller only had 2 number one songs). All this is cool. But that is all you better do. SING AND DANCE. Michael wanted to be greater. He bought the legendary Sly and the Family Stone catalog and no one really cared. When he bought the Beatles, people noticed. The Sony merger took the cake. Sony, in their eagerness to have a part of the Beatles catalog, agreed to a 50/50 merger with Jackson, thus forming Sony/ATV music publishing. Now, Michael co-owns half of the entire publishing of all of Sony artists. Check out the complete lists of songs at sonyatv.com. A sampling of the songs he owns the publishing rights to are over 900 country songs by artists such as Tammy Wynette, Kenny Rogers, Alabama. All Babyface written songs. Latin songs by Selena and Enrique Iglesias. Roberta Flack songs, Mariah Carey songs, Destiny's Child's songs. 2pac, Biggie and Fleetwood Mac songs. In essence over 100,000 songs. "What is this man doing?" None of the greats did this. Not Bono, Springsteen, Sinatra. "Who does he think he is? Get whatever you can on him." To "get" someone, you have to attack what they love the most. I'll say no more on that. The only man who even approaches MJ in taking on the industry is Prince and to a lesser extent, George Michael. They went after poor George Michael, publicly outing the man as a homosexual. Prince fought hard and made his point, but nevertheless still had to resort to using a major company to distribute his materials. There is nothing wrong with that. Prince would get the lion's share, but the result were years of being labeled crazy and difficult. The greatest moment for them was the Sneddon press conference. "We got him." Never was such glee so evident. Who cares if we have evidence? Michael was acquitted, did not celebrate, went home and left the USA. Best move ever. Now what is there left for the haters to do? He's gone. "Gone, what do you mean he moved to Bahrain? Well, how the hell can we get him if he's not here? Quick, get that columnist to write a series of articles on how MJ's teetering on the brink of destruction. Oh we did that? Well, what can we do?" On the outer surface, it appears Michael is not doing anything to make money. Don't even count the weekly sales of his CDs. 15,000 CDs a week is nothing for Michael. The Sony/ATV catalog is money for Michael Jackson every time he breathes. Serious money. The fact that no one reports on the actual amount is proof of that. They would rather you believe he is broke than tell you the truth. Neverland is still owned by MJ. The family home in Encino is still owned by MJ. Michael still owns the Beatles songs through the merger with Sony as well as full ownership of his own songs. But, hey, that's our little secret. Michael Jackson is literally walking in the shoes that no Black person has ever walked in before. If he ever writes an autobiography, it will be one of the most interesting ever. A Black man with no real formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, DESPITE hatred, racism, enemies in his own camps and a media willing to be bought to the highest bidder. If Sony had any sense, right now they should offer to continue the partnership. That's the only way they will make future money off of Michael's catalogue. Tommy Mattola did not lose his job with Sony because he was a bad label head. It was a casualty of war. MJ exposed him and Sony had to cut their losses. Companies do it all the time. Notice no one at Sony nor did Matolla himself ever sue MJ for slander. Michael always was loyal to his bosses at Epic/Sony. Back at the 1984 Grammys, he even brought then label head Walter Yetnikoff on stage with him at one point. He's always thanked Dave Glew, Mattola and others at Sony in his acceptance speeches. Sony can still do right by Michael, but it may be too late. However, they still should make a goodwill gesture, but how many times do businesses do that? If I were them, I'd still want MJ as an ally, not as an enemy. It is/was a mutally profitable merger. I'd be scared as hell if I was an enemy of MJ while he is with the multi-billionaires overseas. Believe me, they aren't just over there discussing designer clothing. A conglomerate is in the making. One last note, these facts that I write here should not be the only times you hear this, but the sad fact is it probably is. I was worried that Michael would go down because of the uncertainty of the jury. That's playing unfair. If I'm presenting these facts here at EURweb, YOU CAN BELIEVE THE MEDIA KNOWS IT ALREADY AS WELL. They aren't salivating over everything MJ related just because he made "Thriller." They know what's up. Think about it. That's why I laugh when I see shows like BET's "The Ultimate Hustler." We all know who that is. (How can Damon Dash know who the ultimate hustler is anyway? He lost Roc-a-fella to Jay-Z) In the end, Michael won't be known for being an alleged child molester. He won't be known for "Thriller." He will be known as the man that fought the record industry and won and lived to tell the tale. That is a book worth buying. | |
Dynd | maandag 19 april 2010 @ 22:59 |
Tijdje afwezig geweest, nog wat interessants gebeurt?![]() | |
Zapato | maandag 19 april 2010 @ 23:14 |
quote:Die foto ![]() Nee, er gebeurt helemaal niks. [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Zapato op 20-04-2010 01:45:10 ] | |
Anonymousz | maandag 19 april 2010 @ 23:17 |
quote:de kersman? | |
DrDentz | dinsdag 20 april 2010 @ 01:13 |
quote:Maarten van Rossem? | |
Zapato | dinsdag 20 april 2010 @ 01:45 |
quote:Als ie geboren was geweest in een achterstandsgezin ![]() | |
JaneDoe | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 14:14 |
Michael Jackson's Mom Cleans House Originally posted Apr 27th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff TMZ has learned ... Katherine Jackson is downsizing the number of grandchildren in her San Fernando Valley mansion -- and the stun gun incident was the catalyst. Sources with direct knowledge of the situation tell TMZ ... Katherine has told Alejandra Genevieve Oaziaza -- who is currently living at the estate, along with two of her kids by Randy Jackson and two others by Jermaine Jackson -- that she must take the kids and move out of the estate next week, because supervising seven children is just too much for the 79-year-old grandmother. But don't think Katherine is heartless. It's the opposite. She's moving Alejandra, along with Jaafar, Jermajesty, Donte and Randy Jr. to a San Fernando Valley condo owned by the estate. We're told the move was prompted by the stun gun incident last month. TMZ broke the story that 13-year-old Jaafar bought a stun gun online and fired it in the house. Sources say Jaafar pointed the gun at two of Michael's kids, but the family denies that. The L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services came to the estate, took the gun and interviewed people in the home, and it became apparent seven kids were too much for Katherine to handle. So as of next week, Prince, Paris and Blanket will have the run of the mansion, unobstructed. --------------- heeft volgens mij weinig met heartlessness te maken, maar meer met de afspraak die gemaakt zou zijn bij de scheiding van jermaine en alejandra. enniewee; goooo katherine!!! ![]() [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door JaneDoe op 27-04-2010 19:21:08 ] | |
Dynd | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 18:00 |
Kunnen de J's zelf niet voor hun kinderen zorgen? Damn, dump ze maar bij Oma. | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 19:49 |
Goede zet van Katherine! Deze twee filmpjes van uitstekende kwaliteit kwam ik toevallig tegen. Zal van nog niet zo lang geleden zijn, als je naar de kinderen kijkt en hemzelf. | |
DrDentz | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 19:50 |
Zijn niet zn eigen kinderen | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 19:58 |
quote:Hmmmm ![]() Deze filmpjes zijn wel aardig recent, welk jaar zou het zijn? | |
DrDentz | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 20:00 |
'96 ongeveer denk ik.. HIStory tour | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 20:02 |
quote:Ohhh dan ben ik aardig mistaken, ik dacht veeel minder lang geleden. Dat ie misschien toch een tijdje zijn haar curly heeft gehad, ergens in de laatste paar jaar. | |
R4m0n_46 | dinsdag 27 april 2010 @ 21:19 |
Ten tijde van de HIStory Tour inderdaad. In het tweede filmpje wordt het album ervan zelfs nog gepromoot. | |
MJ44ever | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 07:17 |
Is zeker 1996/1997, Wayne en Yannick zijn er nog als bodyguard. En na deze tijd kreeg Michael heel lang straight haar en vlak voor TII weer krullen. Ik vind hem in die filmpjes er GEWELDIG uit zien! | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 08:04 |
Ik liet me verblinden door de goede kwaliteit van het filmpje ![]() I am totally in love met dit korte, maar onbetaalbare fragment: ![]() ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 09:28 |
Michael zier er in de filmpjes inderdaad super uit. Zijn haar met bakkebaarden zijn zo het mooist, vraag me af of het haar daar echt is of een pruik, de bakkebaarden lijken me nep. Leuk trouwens om weer eens wat te lezen hier op het forum. ![]() | |
gifkwal | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 18:09 |
Groetjes vanuit Maleisië waar het eten en het weer heerlijk is, waar de mensen ontzettend aardig zijn en waar men een goede kijk heeft op de definitie van schoonheid (kwam dit vandaag tegen in Little India in Georgetown, Penang):![]() | |
Dynd | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 18:31 |
quote:Wow! Heel leuk! Wat is het precies voor een gebouw? Gewoon een beauty salon? ![]() ![]() Maar goed, veel plezier verder! Edit: SPOILER [ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Dynd op 28-04-2010 19:55:30 ] | |
gifkwal | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 18:39 |
quote:Volgens mij was het gewoon een kapper of zoiets, misschien kon je er ook je nagels laten doen of zo, heb eerlijk gezegd niet zo heel goed gekeken. Vond het erg grappig dat MJ erop staat. En bedankt, dat van dat plezier gaat zeker goedkomen, het is hier fantastisch ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 19:47 |
Heeee Gif, bofkont. Veel plezier!! Robijn zwaait even ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:10 |
[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/2na7fys.jpg | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:24 |
[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/bi7xfs.jpg | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:26 |
quote:Denk dat er nog [img] achter moet. | |
Dynd | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:26 |
Erik, gebruik eens één post en [/img] aan het einde van je plaatje. ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:37 |
ja ga ik proberen. | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:55 |
quote:Erik is al net zo'n kluns op de pc als ik ![]() | |
DrDentz | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 20:55 |
Kom op Erik je kunt het | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:00 |
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Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:01 |
Gelukt, en leukkk | |
Dynd | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:02 |
quote:De tranen staan me in m'n ogen ![]() ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:05 |
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erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:09 |
Nou mijn dag kan niet meer stuk, ga nu even koffie drinken ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:10 |
quote:Psies, jij doet tenminste je best iets leuks neer te zetten. ![]() | |
Dynd | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:19 |
Je hebt ze al in een post gedaan, of bedoel je één post? ![]() Er is trouwens ook een edit knop, rechtsboven elke post. ![]() En daarnaast de quote knop om andere mensen te citeren. ![]() Maar leuke foto's verder! '78/79 denk? ![]() | |
erik666 | woensdag 28 april 2010 @ 21:46 |
![]() Bedankt voor je support Dynd ![]() | |
erik666 | donderdag 29 april 2010 @ 09:40 |
![]() Het is vandaag 29 april. Wat mij opviel is dat behalve Michael jarig was /is op 29 augustus, broer Randy op 29 oktober,zus Rebbie 29 mei, en zus LaToya ook op 29 mei. Toevallig allemaal op 29. | |
Dynd | donderdag 29 april 2010 @ 13:16 |
quote:Kickje BNW> Grapje, erg toevallig ja. Ik denk dat Joe gewoon op bepaalde vaste data zijn zaad kwijt moest. ![]() | |
erik666 | donderdag 29 april 2010 @ 19:11 |
[quote]Op donderdag 29 april 2010 13:16 schreef Dynd het volgende: [..] Kickje BNW> Grapje, erg toevallig ja. Ik denk dat Joe gewoon op bepaalde vaste data zijn zaad kwijt moest. ![]() [/quote Ahahahaha. Wat bedoel je met Kickje BNW als ik vragen mag. | |
Dynd | donderdag 29 april 2010 @ 19:39 |
quote:Je bent de laatste [/quote] vergeten. ![]() BNW is een subforum waar conspiracies et.c worden besproken quote:TRU had ook gekund, alhoewel het nu een stuk minder leuk is als je het moet uitleggen. ![]() Maar weer even on-topic, weet iemand hier nog een goed Michael related boek voor in de vakantie? Meeste oudere boeken heb ik al gelezen, behalve dat boek van Katherine Jackson, is dat misschien wat? ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 30 april 2010 @ 09:26 |
Ik was laatst aan het sporten en die kerel van 538 had het over een nieuw MJ boek maar ik kwam er niet achter van wie en wanneer het uit kwam. Ik ben nu bezig met het boek van Aphoride Jones en het boek van huppelepup Ian heb ik net uit. Ze hebben me allebei niet omver geblazen maar goed, ik zet nog even door ![]() Heb je het boek van de ex van Jermaine al gelezen, Maldonado ofzo? En Randy Taborelli heeft zijn boek tot na Michaels dood ge-update, het is nu zeg maar helemaal klaar. Heb je die ook al uit? Ik zit er aan te denken om die laatste versie te kopen maar ik twijfel want dan ga ik weer zo mega over Michael zitten nadenken: is dit waar, of niet. Etc en daar heb ik f geen zin in nu ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 30 april 2010 @ 09:32 |
Iemand dit gelezen? http://extratv.warnerbros(...)cksons_boyfriend.php | |
Robijn48 | vrijdag 30 april 2010 @ 09:43 |
quote:Ikzelf vond het boek "The Michael Jackson Tapes" van Rabbi Shmuley Boteach erg interessant. Ten eerste omdat het zijn eigen woorden zijn(want op tape in gesprekken tegen de auteur, een toenmalige vriend van hem), ten tweede omdat het vele vlakken van Michael's leven beslaat: zijn jeugd, religie, interview met Katherine, Michael over de vrouwen in zijn leven, zijn kinderen, etc. etc. Je moet er wel zin in hebben, want het is vaak triest. ![]() | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 30 april 2010 @ 15:05 |
Of misschien dat boek Redemption van Geraldine Hughes? Over de '93 rechtzaak (auteur was secretaresse van advocaat van de Chandlers dacht ik maar is erg pro-Michael) | |
Dynd | vrijdag 30 april 2010 @ 17:21 |
Bedankt voor de reacties. ![]() Ik zal ze allemaal even opzoeken! Vooral die van Randy Taborelli. Vandaag nog rondgekeken op de vrijmarkt voor nog wat ontbrekende vinyls, maar niks van Michael gevonden. ![]() | |
dollce | donderdag 6 mei 2010 @ 18:09 |
uitgelekt filmpje van blanket | |
Dynd | vrijdag 7 mei 2010 @ 23:20 |
Deze plaatjes uit Moonwalker zijn van Michael's bril, waarvan ik het model al heel lang zoek. Nu viel me tijdens mijn laatste kijksessie het volgende op:![]() Een merkje!? ![]() ![]() ![]() Mijn eeuwige dank ![]() ![]() | |
MJ44ever | zaterdag 8 mei 2010 @ 14:55 |
Als ik jou was zou ik die foto op een zonnebrillen forum plaatsen. Die freaks weten dat merk vast te herkennen zoals wij precies weten uit welk jaar een foto van MJ komt ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zaterdag 8 mei 2010 @ 16:45 |
Volgens mij waren het Raybans, die Michael in de eighties droeg. | |
Robijn48 | zaterdag 8 mei 2010 @ 17:17 |
quote:Edit: klopt, om precies te zijn: Ray Ban Aviator. http://www.men-access.com(...)us-bad-era-wayfarer/ Of is dit geen antwoord op je vraag? ![]() | |
R4m0n_46 | zaterdag 8 mei 2010 @ 20:23 |
quote:Ehm.... nee. Die Wayfarer kent natuurlijk iedereen, en die droeg hij voornamelijk tijdens z'n Bad era. Die andere bril die hierboven staat aangegeven droeg hij onder andere op de Grammy's van 1983 (dacht ik zo uit m'n hoofd). Ben zelf ook al een tijd op zoek naar deze versie. Dacht zelf aan Wings (Bausch & Lombs) | |
Dynd | zaterdag 8 mei 2010 @ 23:46 |
quote:Dankje voor je antwoord, maar om het lichtelijk te zeggen: Ja dat wist ik al. ![]() De brillen die hij droeg die wel bekend tot me zijn (En me interesseren, geen leesbrillen dus. ![]() ![]() Ik heb zelfs Michael Bush gemailed met de vraag of hij het wist maar dat niet, zo'n beetje elk forum en brillen-merk afgegaan maar niks gevonden. Ook trouwens de kleding-designer van die Jacksons serie gemailed want Het enige wat ik in deze zoektocht heb gevonden is dit plaatje met SPYDER leesbaar op de zijkant, een niet(meer) bestaand brillenmerk en ook niet dezelfde bril. Maar dit bewijst wel dat hij niet al zijn leven Ray Ban heeft gedragen. ![]() Zal het nog eens in het zonnebrillen-topic plaatsen, heb ik al eens gedaan maar toen kwamen we er ook niet echt uit. En dat allemaal voor een bril ![]() SPOILER quote:Wauw break-trough, het merkje lijkt er super veel op! Het is absoluut niet hetzelfde model maar het Wings voor het model is enigzins nog wel te herkennen. Ik ga verder zoeken, ik zet je in mijn sig als dit tot het einde van mijn zoektocht leidt. ![]() ![]() [ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Dynd op 08-05-2010 23:59:39 ] | |
Robijn48 | zondag 9 mei 2010 @ 08:50 |
Nou, hoop voor jullie dat jullie em vinden. Deze foto nog nooit gezien, met snor ![]() | |
Dynd | zondag 9 mei 2010 @ 10:21 |
quote:Nouja ik zou het geen snor noemen. ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zondag 9 mei 2010 @ 10:34 |
quote:Okee, "zijn vlossige begroeiing op zijn lip" dan ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zondag 9 mei 2010 @ 10:52 |
Conrad Murray Supporters Plan Demonstration Originally posted May 8th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff Dr. Conrad Murray's supporters are pissed off that only Michael Jackson fans are represented when the doc shows up in court ... and we've learned they're planning a big, big demonstration at next month's preliminary hearing. Sources close to Murray tell us a group of his friends, patients and fellow church members -- numbering in the "hundreds" -- will be outside the courthouse at Murray's next court hearing to show solidarity. We're told the group will rent buses in Houston and Las Vegas -- where Dr. Murray has his medical practices -- and drive them to L.A. for the June 14 court date. We're told the catalyst for the sojourn was that pesky banner that flew over the courthouse at the last court hearing, demanding justice for MJ. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0nQ8PUaHt Hoe is het mogelijk ![]() | |
Dynd | dinsdag 11 mei 2010 @ 20:43 |
Een beetje laat, maar hoe is het mogelijk inderdaad. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Geen succes met de bril trouwens. Alhoewel de bril die R4m0n_46 liet zien er veel op lijkt en ook erg vet is, alleen lastig te verkrijgen. ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 12 mei 2010 @ 12:08 |
quote:Hij heeft fans in de zin van medekerkgangers, clienten van hem ![]() En nu wil ie wellicht ook nog vragen om verzetting van de volgende courtdate ![]() Dr. Murray May Ask to Delay Preliminary Hearing Originally posted May 10th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team claims it may not be ready for the preliminary hearing setting next month, because they still have not received the full criminal file on the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. Miranda Sevcik, spokesperson for Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, tells TMZ they have only received 3,500 pages of discovery. Sevcik cites a news report in which the D.A.'s office claims it has "hundreds of thousands of pages of material." But a D.A. spokesperson told TMZ on Friday that the statement that there were "hundreds of thousands" of pages was their error ... and in fact there are only "thousands of pages" and the defense has received "the bulk of it." Sevcik's response ... "It's odd. It seems like an awfully big miscalculation." Sevcik says if the defense team does not get all the docs soon, they may ask to delay the preliminary hearing setting -- set for June 14. Wat die bril betreft: de aanhouder wint ![]() | |
MJ44ever | woensdag 12 mei 2010 @ 16:36 |
Heeft één van jullie de tapes al gehoord op Telegraaf? Klinkt echt als Michael en de teksten zijn bizar gewoon. Ik ben dan toch wel zo benieuwd over wie Michael het heeft? Ik hoop echt dat er een keer naar boven komt of dit echt allemaal waar is. Ook die La Toya en die Jermaine die constant conspiracy roepen maar zonder namen. De puppet van Joe had het laatst over Frank Dileo. Zou Michael die bedoelen in de audio? Piepie, als je dit leest, reageer maar gewoon hoor, wel zo gezellig ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 12 mei 2010 @ 20:25 |
quote:Had deze tapes al een keer gehoord. Weet niet of het allemaal waar was of dat hij flink in de war was door de medicijnen. Het is maar treurig deze voicemails te horen. | |
piepie | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 03:15 |
quote:MJ44ever, ik zal dan alleen even hier plakken wat ik op het forum (waarvan ik de naam hier maar niet zal noemen) erover heb gelezen: "These calls were made to his good friend at the time Dieter Wiesner, who at the time of MJ's death was on MJ's famous hit list (people who did him wrong)...the person who he refers to as being part of the mafia is none other than the Al Malnik we see in pictures with MJ....they had a falling out when he was lured over to his house under false pretenses only to find out he was on the phone with Mottola and the meeting was about getting the Sony Catalog.... Malnik was also on MJ's hit list... " Groetjes, piepie ... ![]() | |
Dynd | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 03:16 |
Ha die Piepie, is dit een eenmalig bezoek? ![]() Ik ken Dileo alleen als manager en schurk in Moonwalker. Ik geloof dat die relatie abrubt werd beindigt, ik vraag me af waarom. Misschien dat het daarover ging. [ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door Dynd op 13-05-2010 03:23:18 ] | |
piepie | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 03:22 |
quote:Hoi Dynd! Nee tweemalig ... ![]() http://blogs.miaminewtime(...)_shut_up_about_m.php Michael had wel reden om bang te zijn voor die mafioso denk ik . Ben weer weg hoor ... ![]() | |
Dynd | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 03:24 |
quote:Je bent niet weg want je leest deze post. ![]() | |
piepie | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 03:26 |
quote:Had nog een persoonlijke noot toe te voegen in mijn bericht ... ![]() Ga nu toch maar even kijken of mijn bed me al mist ... ![]() | |
MJ44ever | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 09:07 |
quote:Tijdens This Is It was Frank Dileo wel weer in the picture, hij is zelfs even te zien in de film. Dus Al Malnik was een slechte dude? En al die prive foto's dan en die mooie verhalen over Michael na zijn dood. Echt gruwelijk genaaid dus weer die Michael. Echt bizar allemaal hoor. Iemand ook het stuk gelezen van Lisa Marie op haar Myspace? | |
sherezade | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 09:10 |
nee vertel | |
tisikke | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 14:15 |
dit dus Greetings MJ Fans Greetings MJ Fans.... While visiting him a few days ago at Forest Lawn , Riley and I couldn't help but notice that , while there are a few bouquets , candles and gifts there is a very large empty space around him and in front of him that could use a whole lot more. While , I am sure that the staff at The Holy Terrace do their very best to place what is sent and what is placed at the door at his tomb , I thought you might like to know that he would want and deserves more than what is there and I had an idea....... Some may or may not know this but his favorite flower was the Sunflower. They made him happy because they looked happy to him , Thus, he called them "The Happy Flower". When we were married , I would try and fill up rooms with them wherever he was. I wanted to bring something to place near him that he liked and that wouldn't die so I brought a large vase of silk sunflowers and placed them near him. This barely made any kind of dent in the atmosphere so I thought of maybe letting those who care know what the situation is and how we can solve it. I know how much he loved and appreciated being showered with Gifts and flowers by his fans , I thought if whoever wants to bought just one silk sunflower each and sent it , the whole area around him and in front of him (As well as the two large empty vases that sit on either side of him) could be filled up in no time , which would be much more appropriate than what the current status is right now. We can all cause a "Sun shower" if you will........... He deserves to be flooded and surrounded , LETS SURROUND HIM! Lots of Love, ~LMP There are two Forest Lawns in LA which is confusing, Below is the correct address to send them to: The Holy Terrace At Forest Lawn 1712 South Glendale Avenue Glendale Calif, 91205 | |
bloempje-moi | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 14:26 |
quote:Mooi! Fijn om te lezen dat hij toch nog zoveel om hem geeft. Lijkt mij een fantastische vrouw. Jammer dat het niet werkte tussen hen. | |
bloempje-moi | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 14:28 |
Blanket los op You tube!![]() ![]() ![]() | |
tisikke | donderdag 13 mei 2010 @ 19:15 |
MJ Fans Dispute Lisa Marie's Cemetery Claims Originally posted May 13th 2010 7:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff A group of Michael Jackson fans dedicated to honoring MJ's tomb claim Lisa Marie Presley was dead wrong when she insisted that the pop star wasn't getting enough love at his grave site -- and they have the pics to prove it. michael jackson fans at michael jackson's grave TMZ spoke with a rep from the "Original Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California" who told us they visit the site at least once a month -- and always flood the place with gifts and flowers. The group claims they've documented all of their trips with pictures like the one shown above, which was taken April 3rd. As we previously reported, LMP had posted a message on her MySpace page yesterday, claiming there was too much "empty space" around the site and called for fans to step it up and send flowers. But the rep from OMJFSC tells us, "You know what, we all know that we visit Michael once a month ... so like everything else we just have to find comfort in the fact that we know the truth. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0npZPKX00 | |
DrDentz | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 02:41 |
quote:Wat een gek. Zou hij dan toch de biologische zoon van MJ zijn. | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 09:15 |
Waarom moeten die fans er door heen blerren. Met alle respect, die paar brieven die daar liggen vind LMP blijkbaar te weinig. Verder ligt er niks en daar heeft ze blijkbaar gelijk in. Oftewel: sturen die bloemen ![]() Even wat leuke dingetjes van Twitter: Liz Taylor: Dr. Arnie Klein declared on May 2 that he did not betray Michael Jackson by saying publicly that he had a homosexual relationship about 21 hours ago via web with someone in "Arnie's" office. It seems he supplies not only women (Debbie Rowe), but men too...how convenient. about 21 hours ago via web Just what we want in our doctors. And then to say he did not betray Michael's confidence. No wonder he has death threats. about 21 hours ago via web thought doctors, like priests took an oath of confidentiality. May God have mercy on his soul. about 21 hours ago via web Randy Jackson: I have some serious concerns about this tribute to my brother on the 25th of June in Rome... 4:05 PM May 11th via mobile web I have 4 concerns... First, where are the proceeds from ticket sales going...?? 4:32 PM May 11th via Twitter for BlackBerry® Second, the coordinator is telling fans that my brother is alive & will be there in disguise.... That deeply disturbs me. 4:33 PM May 11th via Twitter for BlackBerry® Third, I fired Brian Oxman, but he is still under attorney-client restriction with me and cannot speak publicly. 4:34 PM May 11th via Twitter for BlackBerry® And lastly, My family has plans to be at Forest Lawn on the 25th of June... 4:34 PM May 11th via Twitter for BlackBerry® I am outraged at the insensitivity and self-promotion of the tribute organizers about 15 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Oxman was fired in the Santa Maria Trial for using crucial evidence to promote himself. He's doing it again without authorization. about 15 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 11:14 |
Hai hai, Is er behalve wat op deze pagina staat (die ik even snel heb doorgelezen) nog belangrijk nieuws geweest de laatste paar weken? Ben op vakantie en heb geen mogelijkheid om alles helemaal door te lezen. Iemand een korte samenvatting? | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 14:41 |
Hm, f nadenken. Bar weinig hoor. Er is een tape van Blanket en Paris op youtube te vinden waarin ze gewoon kind zijn. De assistent van dr Klein beweert de enige homosexuele relatie met MJ te hebben gehad. De drie bodyguard beweren dat Michael 2 vriendinnen had op het einde van zijn leven. Er komt blijkbaar een tribute in Rome op 25 juni waarop Randy nogal wat kritiek heeft. Lisa Marie wil bloemen op het graf van Michael, er ligt zo weinig geeft ze aan. Friedman kwam met aan artikel dat Michael in 2007 bezig was met een nieuw album. Nou, niks dus eigenlijk ![]() | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 14:44 |
En kijk eens aan:![]() | |
Robijn48 | vrijdag 14 mei 2010 @ 15:05 |
quote:Wat leuk, dit ![]() | |
gifkwal | zaterdag 15 mei 2010 @ 03:41 |
Bedankt MJ44Ever, allemaal poepnieuws dus ![]() | |
matthijst | zaterdag 15 mei 2010 @ 23:21 |
Cool boek, met foto's van allerlei MJ spul: http://neverlandlost.com/ Kanye West heeft er een lading op zijn blog gezet: http://www.kanyewest.com/(...)by-henry-lutwyler-2/ ![]() | |
Dynd | maandag 17 mei 2010 @ 15:03 |
Thriller! Michael Jackson's orange pants up for sale | |
Robijn48 | maandag 17 mei 2010 @ 18:22 |
quote:Ahhhh, komt dichtbij dit, aangezien hij deze gedragen heeft tijdens zijn laatste performances ![]() Wat me opvalt is dat de broek van een bodyguard was, net als het witte pak op het Thriller album ook van een bekende was, lachen... The winning bidder in the Sanders auction will get the Jackson-worn pants, photos of Jackson wearing the pants during the taping of “This Is It,” a letter from Jackson’s personal bodyguard (the former owner of the pants) who worked for Jackson until the day of his death on June 25, 2009, and a copy of the bodyguard’s paycheck confirming his employment and relationship with Michael Jackson. | |
Dynd | maandag 17 mei 2010 @ 20:34 |
Toch vind ik de broek totaal niet Michael, net zoals de meeste kleding die hij droeg tijdens de TII rehearsals. Oranje broek ![]() ![]() | |
Moonwalk | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 11:43 |
ik ben er weer hihi | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 14:19 |
quote:Ja, maar of wij het mooi vinden is een tweede ![]() ![]() Vergeet niet, dit waren "slechts" rehearsals. De meeste kleding die hij tijdens de concerten zou dragen waren wel weer zoals we van hem gewend zijn, heb je gezien op de DVD wat hij zou gaan dragen? Vooral dat donkerpaarse pak vond ik erg mooi. Stijlvol. | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 14:22 |
quote:Je komt en gaat, but don't we all ![]() | |
Dynd | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 16:56 |
quote:Ah ja dat is ook zo, maar dan alsnog vond ik die Ed Hardy drakenshirts echt ![]() Verder erg mooie kostuums ja, het enige wat niet had gehoeven waren die lichtjes in het Billie Jean jasje. ![]() ****************************************************************************************************************************** ![]() | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 22:15 |
quote:Ik heb zelf erg moeten lachen toen ik die outfit voor het eerst zag...beetje overdone, he ![]() | |
Dynd | dinsdag 18 mei 2010 @ 23:21 |
quote:Inderdaad, if it ain't broke, don't fix it ![]() Het wordt rustig hier trouwens (Ook MUZ topic), is alles dan gezegd. Eind Juni zullen er vast wel veel mensen komen. ![]() SPOILER | |
Moonwalk | woensdag 19 mei 2010 @ 00:02 |
quote:Weetje wat het is ![]() ![]() Midden in die hectische tijd werd hier ook niet echt meer veel gepraat, het heel erg veel engelse teksten plakken en dat vond ik een beetje saai worden hihihi | |
Moonwalk | woensdag 19 mei 2010 @ 00:05 |
Ik vind die oranje broek ook niet zo mooi trouwens, maar was er ook niet van in shock. Vooral omdat het rehearsals waren en ik las geloof ik hier ergens dat hij het van iemand had geleend ofzo. Dat snap ik dan weer niet hahahahah zo een rijke vent die dan een oranje broek voor zijn rehearsals gaat lenen | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 19 mei 2010 @ 18:44 |
quote:Voor mij is alles nog niet gezegd, zeker met de upcoming rechtzaak...en ik heb "altijd" wel iets over Michael te lullen ![]() Oh en gifkwal is met vakantie he, dat scheelt ook ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 19 mei 2010 @ 18:47 |
Randy wil mensen gaan toelaten tijdens 1 jarige doodherdenking? Battle Brewing at Michael Jackson's Burial Site Originally posted May 19th 2010 12:40 AM PDT by TMZ Staff Randy Jackson's plan to let rabid fans flock to Michael Jackson's mausoleum is setting up a nasty battle ... with the family of another celebrity buried in the extremely private section of Forest Lawn Cemetery. It's all over Randy's tweet, in which he said he was going to do his best to get MJ's fans "beyond the gates of Forest Lawn" to pay their respects on June 25 -- the 1-year anniversary of the singer's death. It sounds like Randy is offering a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, because normally non-family members can't access the mausoleum where MJ and a few other celebs are buried -- one of them being Clark Gable. The legendary actor's grandson, Clark Gable III, told TMZ he's not down with Randy's plan ... saying the mausoleum "wouldn't be as sacred" if just anyone could go inside. On the flip side, Randy has at least one supporter ... author Ronald J. Fields -- grandson of W.C. Fields, who's also buried there -- says he thinks fans should be allowed inside because it would be "moving to them." Randy did not respond to our calls for comment. Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0oOWz8Tz2 | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 19 mei 2010 @ 18:50 |
quote:Nou ja, er is niet gezegd dat hij de broek geleend heeft, misschien heeft ie hem overgekocht ![]() | |
Dynd | vrijdag 21 mei 2010 @ 23:56 |
Niet echt een heel speciaal filmpje, maar wel één die ik nog nooit gezien had. En die vind ik niet vaak. ![]() | |
Dynd | zaterdag 22 mei 2010 @ 04:38 |
Dit is heel raar. Krijg net op m'n telefoon die ik al een paar jaar heb een berichtje dat m'n Inbox voor 95% vol is. Dus ik maar wat oude berichtjes verwijderen, op een gegeven moment kom ik bij Juni aan, J.. 25-Jun-2009 23:14 oké is goed, ik ga vroeg slapen, voel me vreemd. Het zal wel toeval zijn, ben niet van de spirituele shit enzo. Maar wtf?? Hoelaat precies is hij overleden? Pas om 1 uur stuur ik weer berichtjes met het bericht. Maar die zijn niet zo interessant. Ik heb nooit meer aan dat smsje gedacht totdat ik het zojuist vond. Heb ook nog een filmpje van de nieuwsuitzending rond half-twee. Ik kan me echt niet meer herinneren waarom ik die gemaakt heb. ![]() Echt heel raar ![]() ![]() ![]() (En nee echt geen bull-crap, zou geen leuke grap zijn.) | |
SteelDogg | zaterdag 22 mei 2010 @ 10:38 |
De 50-jarige Jackson werd met spoed overgebracht naar het UCLA Medical Center, waar hij om 14.26 uur plaatselijke tijd (23.26 uur Nederlandse tijd) dood werd verklaard. Maar ga er maar van uit dat hij al zeker meer dan een half uur al overleden was. ![]() | |
Dynd | zaterdag 22 mei 2010 @ 11:46 |
Oke, zoals ik al zei het zal wel toeval wezen, maar blijf het gek vinden. ^^ | |
piepie | zaterdag 22 mei 2010 @ 20:29 |
quote:Geen toeval denk ik, eerder een voorgevoel ... ![]() Best bizar! | |
MissBitchy | dinsdag 25 mei 2010 @ 12:11 |
Geen idee of ik misschien spuit elf ben in dit geval, maar RTL4 zendt 4 juni This is It uit om half negen s'avonds ![]() | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 25 mei 2010 @ 21:12 |
quote:Weet je nog of je je voordat je dat sms-je stuurde al vreemd voelde, en hoelang ervoor? En ja heb het gezien dat This is it op tv wordt uitgezonden, in het Veronicablad staat een prachtig geschreven stuk erbij ![]() Maar anyway, bedankt ![]() | |
FP128 | woensdag 26 mei 2010 @ 14:50 |
quote:Dat is wel erg snel maar ook weer niet verwonderlijk want de verkoop van de DVD liep net zoals de film ver onder de verwachting en hoopt men dus d.m.v deze tv uitzending de verkoop weer wat te pushen. ![]() | |
Robijn48 | woensdag 26 mei 2010 @ 19:38 |
quote:En waar heb je deze "wijsheid" vandaan? ![]() UM THIS IS IT OP #1 IN DE US, ALSOOK IN 16 ANDERE LANDEN NOVEMBER 5, 2009 De film Michael Jackson This Is It schrijft geschiedenis als de concertfilm met hoogste brutowinst film allertijden . En nu maakt de soundtrack voor de film van Michael Jackson zijn debuut in de eerste week op nr in de Billboard Top 200 Album Charts, evenals de Soundtrack Album Chart. De Amerikaanse verkoop van het album bedroeg 373.100 stuks deze week volgens Nielsen SoundScan - dit cijfer is exclusief de verkoop via niet-traditionele retailers. Verkoopcijfers uit andere delen van de wereld worden nog steeds bijgeteld, hoewel het album al een nr #1 hit te pakken heeft in 16 andere landen, waaronder Canada, Japan, Frankrijk, Italië, Nederland, België, Turkije, Nieuw-Zeeland, Hong Kong, Korea, Filipijnen, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, het Midden-Oosten en Colombia en een Top-3 in het Verenigd Koninkrijk, Australië, Argentinië, Oostenrijk, Denemarken, Noorwegen, Portugal, Zwitserland en Spanje. Een gelijktijdige nr #1 album en een nr 1 concertfilm is niet gebeurd sinds 1971 toen de Rolling Stones het album Sticky Fingers en film Gimme Sheltern uitbrachten. Michael Jackson's album bezet nu de top vijf van de Billboard Album Catalogue Charts. Zijn Number Ones album is dit jaar het best verkochte album year to date. Gedurende zijn carričre heeft Michael Jackson in totaal 51 weken op # 1 gestaan in de Billboard Album Charts. Alleen The Beatles en Elvis Presley hebben meer weken doorgebracht op nr 1. Zijn laatste nr 1 werd Invincible in 2001, hoewel Thriller zich bovenaan de Billboard Album Catalogue Charts bevond in oktober vorig jaar. Denk dus eerder dat ze hem nu al uitzenden omdat het bijna een jaar geleden is dat MJ overleed. | |
Dynd | woensdag 26 mei 2010 @ 23:57 |
Mijn korte posts vallen zo in het niets vergeleken met die van Robijn, maar inderdaad waar je die wijsheden vandaan haalt is mij ook een raadsel. Ik zou niet verbaast opkijken als This is it 2 aangekondigd zou worden. ![]() quote:Beetje late reactie, maar nee. Weet eigenlijk helemaal niet meer wat ik deed voordat ik erachter kwam. Maar zoals iedereen zo'n beetje het wel weet wist ik wel waar ik was op het moment dat ik het bericht hoorde. | |
Dynd | donderdag 27 mei 2010 @ 12:27 |
Secret Battle Over Custody of Michael Jackson's Kids May 27, 2010 07:06:38 GMT The custody battle reportedly sparked after Katherine Jackson fell down a flight of stairs at her home in California. **************************************************************************************************************************************** Jackson family matriarch Katherine Jackson's health has sparked a secret custody battle for her late son Michael Jackson's three kids after she fell down a flight of stairs at her home in California. The 80 year old won custody of Paris, Prince Michael and Prince Michael II following the King of Pop's death last summer - but sources insist she's too old and frail to look after the kids. America's Globe tabloid reports Katherine was hospitalized after the fall on May 17, but escaped with only cuts and bruises. However, the accident has sparked concerns for her health. A family insider tells the publication, "She's taken on way too much for a woman of her age but refuses to delegate the care of her grandchildren to others. "She has aged enormously and is desperately hanging on for the sake of her children, but her collapse on the stairs shows how fragile she really is." And the source fears that the upcoming anniversary of her son's death will be too much for Katherine - and that could be devastating for the Jackson clan. The insider adds, "She's the glue that holds the whole family together. If something happens to her, it would be all-out war." In his will, Michael Jackson suggested his pal Diana Ross should get custody of his three kids if his mother was incapacitated or dead at the time of his passing, but the Globe reports the three children's cousins, Jacksons brother Tito's kids Taj and T.J., are favorites to land custody of Paris and the Prince Michaels if anything should happen to Katherine. The kids' aunts Janet Jackson and Rebbie are also potential guardians, along with Michael's ex-wife Debbie Rowe, the birth mother of Prince Michael and Paris. In another news, Randy Jackson has handed a sick 11 year old $60,000 after a TV special about her plight moved him. Jackson recently visited Treasure Dearsaw at the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles and told her family he'd like to cover some of her medical expenses. According to X17.com, the young girl suffers from a rare condition called vascular malformation, in which a lesion on her tongue has become a life-threatening disease. The mass on her tongue swells and bleeds, preventing her from being able to close her mouth, eat and talk. Doctors are considering removing Dearsaw's tongue. Jackson tells the website, "I was driving back from Santa Barbara... and I checked into a hotel. TV is something I never watch, but for some reason, I decided to watch the news. "I saw a story about Treasure Dearsaw and her fight with a rare disease on her tongue. In order to have an important surgery, she needed to raise $60,000, but a fundraiser set up for her only brought in a few thousand. Her story tugged at my heart, and I knew what I wanted to do." "No child should be afraid that they're going to die. It breaks my heart to see her suffering like that. Treasure's a beautiful child, and it was God's plan for me to see her story and help out. This is the least I can do. She deserves to be happy." Dearsaw is expected to undergo her 10th surgery to save her tongue this summer. (c) World Entertainment News Network | |
Dynd | zaterdag 29 mei 2010 @ 16:34 |
![]() En deze had ik nog nooit gezien qua kwaliteit, (Die user heeft die tapes zelf gemaakt, enorm goede kwaliteit, ook zijn 1984 Grammy Award video.) --- SPOILER [ Bericht 8% gewijzigd door GlowMouse op 29-05-2010 17:24:16 ] | |
Robijn48 | zaterdag 29 mei 2010 @ 22:48 |
quote:Bedankt hiervoor, had ze al gezien, maar in slechte kwaliteit idd, dit is een verademing ![]() | |
Robijn48 | zondag 30 mei 2010 @ 11:43 |
Gaat de "slechte" kant op...had er graag heen gewild, maar ja ach je kon toch al niet bij hem komen om een bloemetje te brengen ofzo. MJ Mausoleum -- Fans No Longer Welcome Originally posted May 30th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff The cemetery where Michael Jackson is entombed is launching a new crackdown on fans -- actively removing people hanging out in front of MJ's mausoleum. According to sources at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, security has been informed that MJ fans are no longer permitted to gather on the patio of MJ's mausoleum. Those who loiter will be asked to leave. It's unclear why Forest Lawn is making the move -- especially because fans have been visiting the burial site regularly since MJ moved in last year. And now -- with the one-year anniversary of Michael's death fast approaching -- the Justice4MJ fan group is concerned about their plans to gather at the mausoleum on June 25. A rep for the group tells us they hope Forest Lawn will "take into consideration" the hundreds of fans traveling from all over the world to pay their respects. | |
Dynd | donderdag 3 juni 2010 @ 20:57 |
Beetje laat, maar:quote:Ben van plan meer nieuws te gaan posten in dit topic. ![]() | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 3 juni 2010 @ 22:36 |
quote: ![]() Wat een geld he ![]() | |
R4m0n_46 | vrijdag 4 juni 2010 @ 15:29 |
quote:Inderdaad, dan komen die schulden ook een beetje raar over bij mij aangezien MJ nu al dit geld kan schenken. | |
Dynd | vrijdag 4 juni 2010 @ 15:42 |
Was dat van schulden van een betrouwbare bron dan? Ik dacht gewoon usual tabloid junk. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ quote: | |
gifkwal | maandag 7 juni 2010 @ 09:34 |
Jaaaaa lieve mensen, daar ben ik weer! Levend en wel teruggekeerd uit Azië. Wat is het hier rustig zeg, nog steeds hetzelfde topic als toen ik 6 weken geleden wegging ![]() Heb in Indonesië trouwens aardig wat mensen met MJ t-shirts gespot, zoals deze dame op Lombok: En vage boeken zoals deze, geschreven door een of andere boeddhist of zo die Michael profetische kwaliteiten toedicht: Wanneer komt er eens beweging in de Murray-case? | |
Robijn48 | maandag 7 juni 2010 @ 14:02 |
Heeeeeee gifffffffffffffff, welcome back! ![]() ![]() Jep, het is rustig hier, op het moment is het wat drukker in Muz. Leuke foto, die van die Lombokse vrouw ![]() Voor zover ik weet staat nog steeds de volgende hearing van Murray op volgende week. 14 juni. Al waren er een tijdje geleden berichten dat hij zijn best doet om het te verzetten omdat volgens zijn advocaten en hijzelf nog niet alle papieren binnen zijn. Ik ga je even terug pm-en ![]() | |
Dynd | maandag 7 juni 2010 @ 14:22 |
Welkom terug gif! Sinds This is It op tv te zien was is vooral het MUZ topic weer op komen laaien. ![]() | |
gifkwal | maandag 7 juni 2010 @ 15:37 |
Bedankt voor de info en de verwelkoming allebei ![]() Ik hoop niet dat 1 van die hoorzittingen toevallig op de 25e gaat vallen ![]() | |
R4m0n_46 | maandag 7 juni 2010 @ 19:44 |
quote:De 25e heb ik ook nog een verjaardag, ik drink de gedachte aan zijn 'alweer een jaar dood zijn' dan wel weg, hoe zuur het ook is ![]() Wel gaaf trouwens dat de MJ-hype niet slechts een maand of 3 duurt, maar nu al een jaar volhoudt ![]() [ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door R4m0n_46 op 08-06-2010 21:15:04 ] | |
gifkwal | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 07:47 |
Ik denk dat ik op die dag misschien wel alle albums op de juiste volgorde ga draaien. Of misschien doe ik wel niks. Maar ja, een rare dag wordt het sowieso. En inderdaad, hij is gelukkig nog lang niet vergeten! | |
RSie | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 14:37 |
even inhakend op die Lombokmevrouw hierboven. Ik zat in Oktober enkele weken op de Filippijnen en daar zag je echt overal MJ. CD winkels lagen stampensvol met CD's, zowel de officiele als allerlei verzamelaars en instrumentale uitvoeringen. Overal in de shoppingmalls zag je TII posters hangen en bij de Bioscopen zelf kon je er ook totaal niet omheen en stonden er cardboard cutouts etc. in de grotere warenhuizen hingen ook genoeg soorten MJ shirts, helaas kon ik er maar eentje vinden die in mijn maat was, al is die nu een paar wasbeurtjes verder best strak geworden hahaha!!! | |
gifkwal | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 18:54 |
quote:Leuk is dat he! Ik heb het geluk gehad behoorlijk wat te kunnen reizen het afgelopen jaar, en heb in Cambodja, Vietnam, Thailand, Dubai, Korea en dus Indonesië soortgelijke taferelen gezien. Heel veel mensen op straat met MJ shirts ook. Zelfs in de meest afgelegen plattelandsgebieden in Vietnam en zo. Echt gaaf. | |
Dynd | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 19:37 |
quote:Klinkt heel gaaf ja! Waarom zou dat juist daar zo zijn? ![]() | |
Robijn48 | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 21:11 |
Wat gaaaf. Daar voelen wij ons wel tussen thuis, tussen mensen die hem hoog houden ![]() | |
gifkwal | dinsdag 8 juni 2010 @ 23:11 |
quote:Ik weet niet, misschien omdat hij als 1 van de weinige Westerse sterren zo groot was dat hij zelfs tot in die gebieden doordrong. Ik heb ooit eens gelezen dat hij de meest bekende persoon op aarde was. Onderzoekers kwamen een stam tegen ergens diep in de Amazone waarvan ze dachten dat zij nog maar heel weinig contact hadden gehad met buitenstaanders, maar zelfs zij kenden MJ ![]() Noord-Koreanen kennen hem echter niet. Een vriendin van mij ging daar 2 jaar geleden op reis en ik vroeg haar om aan de mensen daar te vragen of ze hem kenden. Helaas niet. They're missing out! Zouden zij de enigen ter wereld zijn? | |
MJ44ever | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 07:32 |
Maar dan hebben ze ook geen nieuws of internet ofzo. Hoe kan je hem dan niet kennen? Ik kende ooit een Joheva Getuige van school en hij kende Michael Jackson ook niet. Maar ook Clinton niet, ik snapte er niks van. Hoe kan je van het leven 'gebruik' maken en Clinton niet kennen? (Hij was toen president). | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 15:09 |
Dr. Murray Targeted By California Medical Board Originally posted Jun 9th 2010 4:31 PM PDT by TMZ Staff The California Medical Board wants a judge to order Dr. Conrad Murray to stop practicing medicine ASAP -- in order to "protect California's citizens." While Murray is already prohibited from administering "deep anesthetics" -- including propofol -- the Board has filed documents last week in L.A. County Superior Court, claiming those restrictions are "insufficient under the circumstances of this defendant's behavior." In the docs, the Board states, "It is not just his 'prescribing' practices that are in question, but his fundamental judgment and skill as a physician." The Board is requesting an order that Murray, "cease and desist from the practice of medicine" until his criminal trial regarding MJ's death reaches a conclusion. | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 15:11 |
Uitstellen, uitstellen............... Michael Jackson Doc: Where are the Docs? Originally posted Jun 10th 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff Sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray will ask the judge in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case to delay the preliminary hearing, because prosecutors still have not anted up all the investigative files. L.A. County District Attorney spokesperson Sandi Gibbons tells TMZ ... her office has turned over approximately 3,100 pages of discovery, including all of the expert medical reports. Gibbons says, "Everything we have to date, they have." Gibbons says discovery is an "ongoing process," and as material comes in it's forwarded to the defense. Gibbons added the defense would be getting more discovery on Monday. Gibbons would not say if her office has received the entire LAPD investigative file -- but our sources say the D.A. got it last December. Dr. Murray's people tell us they still have not received the full LAPD file and everything else that's available. In fact, they think it's "suspicious" that they were initially told there were "hundreds of thousands" of pages of discovery -- something the D.A.'s office says was an error. Murray's team says there is no way they can be ready for a preliminary hearing when they don't know the facts. Murray's prelim is supposed to start on June 14 ... and Murray will be in court. | |
Dynd | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 16:23 |
quote:@NOS | |
Robijn48 | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 16:26 |
quote:Boy, wat zou ik er graag heen willen to pay my respects. | |
gifkwal | donderdag 10 juni 2010 @ 16:28 |
quote:Mijn god... waarschijnlijk was dat gewoon een extreem domme analfabeet of zo. In Noord Korea hebben ze inderdaad geen internet en dergelijke. Bedankt mensen voor al die nieuwtjes, KUT Murray! | |
MJ44ever | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 07:26 |
Ik lees net op TMZ dat de rechtzaak op 14 juni begint. En ik lees ook dat Joe Jackson AEG wil aanklagen. Zij zouden hebben geweten dat MJ drugsverslaafde was en toch hebben ze hem afgebeuld. Er blijft iets raars in die familie, vooral de twitter van Randy zeggen veel. Allemaal vage dingen over Oxman terwijl Joe juist met 'm werkt. Dit wordt nog leuk allemaal. | |
Robijn48 | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 10:09 |
quote:Dat staat ook al hierboven hoor. ![]() | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 18:39 |
Hebben jullie nog boeken over MJ die aan te raden zijn? Moonwalk heb ik uiteraard gelezen, Dancing the Dream ligt ook voor de hand, Magic & the Madness van Taraborelli ( ![]() | |
Dynd | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 18:53 |
quote:Misschien dat boek van Katherine Jackson? ![]() | |
Dynd | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 18:54 |
My Family, the Jacksons heet ie. Of Thriller 25th Anniversary: The Book, Celebrating the Biggest Selling Album of All Time - Michael Jackson ![]() | |
gifkwal | vrijdag 11 juni 2010 @ 19:20 |
Bedankt, ik wist niet eens dat Katherine een boek had geschreven ![]() Ik ben vooral op zoek naar inderdaad biografische boeken, zoals die van Ian Halperin maar dan niet zo kut. |