Mijn 20 minuten met de President van de USA

Ik heb pas eens uitgebreid kunnen kletsen met de President van de USA, Barack Hussein Obama, Ik had hem gevraagd om een half uurtje van zijn tijd,... gezien de details en specifieke inhoud van mijn ondezoek.......

ik kreeg 20 minuten.

20 minuten is niet veel tijd, ...1200 seconden om de President te ondervragen over een van de belangrijkste gebeurtenissen in onze nationale geschiedenis...

Onderstaand een transcript van onze opmerkelijke discussie.


I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with our 44th President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, while he was out promoting his health care reform initiative. I requested 30 minutes given the scope and detail of my inquiry; they said I could have 20. Twenty minutes, 1200 seconds, not a lot of time to question the President about one of the most important events in our nation’s history. The following is a transcript of our remarkable discussion.
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Charlie Sheen – Good afternoon Mr. President, thank you so much for taking time out of your demanding schedule.

President Barack Obama – My pleasure, the content of your request seemed like something I should carve out a few minutes for.

CS – I should point out that I voted for you, as your promises of hope and change, transparency and accountability, as well as putting government back into the hands of the American people, struck an emotional chord in me that I hadn’t felt in quite some time, perhaps ever.

PBO – And I appreciate that Charlie. Big fan of the show, by the way.

CS – Sir, I can’t imagine when you might find the time to actually watch my show given the measure of what you inherited.

PBO – I have it Tivo’d on Air Force One. Nice break from the traveling press corps. (He glances at his watch) not to be abrupt or to rush you, but you have 19 minutes left.

CS – I’ll take that as an invitation to cut to the chase.

PBO – I’m all ears. Or so I’ve been told.

CS – Sir, in the very near future we will be experiencing our first 9/11 anniversary with you as Commander in Chief.

PBO – Yes. A very solemn day for our Nation. A day of reflection and yet a day of historical consciousness as well.

CS – Very much so sir, very much so indeed…. Now; In researching your position regarding the events of 9/11 and the subsequent investigation that followed, am I correct to understand that you fully support and endorse the findings of the commission report otherwise known as the ‘official story’?

PBO – Do I have any reason not to? Given that most of us are presumably in touch with similar evidence.

CS – I really wish that were the case, sir. Are you aware, Mr. President, of the recent stunning revelations that sixty percent of the 9/11 commissioners have publicly stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11 and that the Pentagon was engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack?

PBO – I am aware of certain “in fighting” during the course of their very thorough and tireless investigative process.

CS – Mr. President, it’s hard to label this type of friction as “in fighting” or make the irresponsible leap to “thorough,” when the evidence I insist you examine regarding 6 of the 10 members are statements of fact.
(At this point one of Obama’s senior aides approaches the President and whispers into his ear. Obama glances quickly at his watch and nods as the aide resumes his post at the doorway, directly behind me.)

PBO – No disrespect Mr. Sheen, but I have to ask; what is it that you seem to be implying with the initial direction of this discussion?

CS – I am not implying anything Mr. President. I am here to present the facts and see what you plan to do with them.

PBO – Let me guess; your ‘facts,’ allegedly supporting these claims are in the folders you brought with you?

CS – Good guess Mr. President.
(I hand the first folder of documents to the President)

CS – Again sir, these are not my opinions or assumptions, this is all a matter of public record, reported through mainstream media, painstakingly fact checked and verified.
(the President glances into the folder I handed him)

CS – You’ll notice sir on page one of the dossier dated August of ‘06 from the Washington Post, the statements of John Farmer, senior council to the 9/11 commission, his quote stating, “I was shocked how different the truth was from the way it was described.”

PBO – (as he glances down at the report, almost inaudible) …. um hmm….

CS – He goes on to further state “The [NORAD Air Defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years….”
(the President continues to view the documents)

CS – On pages two and three, sir, are the statements, as well, from commission co-chairmen
Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, commissioners Bob Kerrey, Timothy Roemer and John Lehman, as well as the statements of commissioner Max Cleland, an ex-Senator from Georgia , who resigned, stating:
“It is a national scandal. This investigation is now compromised. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”
He also described President Bush’s desire to delay the process as not to damage the ‘04 re-election bid. They suspected deception to the point where they considered referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. Mr. President, this information alone is unequivocally grounds for a new investigation!

PBO – Mistakes were clearly made but we as a people and as a country need to move forward. It is obviously in our best interest as a democratic society to focus our efforts and our resources on the future of this great nation and our ability to protect the American people and our allies from this type of terrorism in the coming years.

CS – Sir, how can we focus on the future when THE COMMISSION ITSELF is on record stating that they still do not know the truth??

PBO – Even if what you state, might in some capacity, begin to approach an open discussion or balanced debate, I can’t speak for, or about the decisions certain commission members made during an extremely difficult period. Perhaps you should be interviewing them instead of me. Wait, don’t tell me; I was easier to track down than they were?

CS – Not exactly sir, but let’s be honest. You’re the President of the United States, the leader of the free world, the buck stops with you. 9/11 has been the pretext for the systematic dismantling of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Your administration is reading from the same playbook that the Bush administration foisted on America through documented secrecy and deception.

PBO – Mr. Sheen, I’m having a difficult time sitting here and listening to you draw distorted parallels between the Bush/Cheney regime and mine.

CS – Mr. President the parallels are not distorted just because you say they are. Let’s stick to the facts. You promised to abolish the Patriot Act and then voted to re-authorize it. You pledged to end warrantless wire tapping against the American people and now energetically defend it. You decried the practice of rendition and now continue it. You promised over and over again on the campaign trail, that you would end the practice of indefinite detention and instead, you have expanded it to permanent detention of “detainees” without trial. This far exceeds the outrages of the former administration. Call me crazy Mr. President, but is this not your record?

PBO – Mr. Sheen, my staff and I authorized this interview based on your request to discuss 9/11 and deliver some additional information you’re convinced I’d not previously reviewed. Call me crazy, But it appears as though you’ve blindly wandered off topic.

CS – Sir, the examples I just illustrated are a direct result of 9/11.

PBO – And I’m telling you that we must move forward, we must endure through these dangerous and politically challenging years ahead.

CS – Mr. President, we cannot move forward with a bottomless warren of unanswered questions surrounding that day and its aftermath.

PBO – I read the official report. Every word every page. Perhaps you should do the same.

CS – I have sir, and so have thousands of family members of the victims, and guess what; they have the same questions I do and probably a lot more. I didn’t lose a loved one on that horrific day Mr. President and neither did you. But since then I, along with millions of other Americans lost something we held true and dear for most of our lives in this great country of ours; we lost our hope.

PBO – And I’d like to believe that I am here to restore that hope. To restore confidence in your leaders, in the system that the voting public chose through a peaceful transfer of power.

(An odd moment of silence between us. Precious time ticking away).

CS – Mr. President, are you aware of the number of days it took to begin the investigation into JFK’s assassination?

PBO – If memory serves I believe it was two weeks.

CS – Close. Seventeen days to be exact. Are you aware sir, how long it took to begin the investigation into Pearl Harbor?

PBO – I would say again about….two weeks.

CS – Close again sir, eleven days to be exact. Are you aware Mr. President how long it took to begin the investigation into 9/11?

PBO – I know it must have seemed like a very long time for all the grieving families.

CS – It was a very long time Mr. President – four hundred and forty days. Roughly 14 months. Does it bother you Mr. President that it only took FIVE HOURS for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after the initial attack to recommend and endorse a full scale offensive against Iraq?

PBO – I am not aware of any such purported claim.

CS – I have the proof Mr. President, along with scores of documents and facts I’d like you to take a look at. Here.
(I hand him another file – much thicker than the first)

PBO – I see you came prepared Charlie.

CS – No other way to show up Mr. President. When in doubt over prepare I always say.

PBO – Now you sound like the First Lady.

CS – That’s quite a compliment sir.

PBO – As you wish. Please continue.

CS – Sir, I’d like to direct your attention to the stack of documents in the folder I just handed you. The first in from the top is entitled “ Operation Northwoods“, a declassified Pentagon plan to stage terror attacks on US soil, to be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for war.

PBO – And I’d like to direct your attention to the fact that the principle draftsman of this improbable blueprint was quickly denied a second term as Joint Chiefs chairman and sent packing to a European NATO garrison. Thank God his otherworldly ambitions never saw the light of day.

CS – I wouldn’t be so certain about that Mr. President.

PBO – I could easily say the same to you Charlie.

(the President checks his watch)

CS – The next document reads “Declassified staged provocations.” Now, Honestly Mr. President I wish I was making this stuff up. I’m certain you are familiar with the USS Maine Incident, the sinking of the Lusitania, which we all now know brought us into WW1, and of course the most famous, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

PBO – Of course I am familiar with these historical events and I’m aware that there’s a measure of controversy surrounding them. But to be quite frank with you, this is all ancient history.

CS – Mr. President, it has been often said; “Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.” And I concede to you sir, these events are the past.

PBO – A vastly different world young man, shouldering a radically disparate state of universal affairs.

CS – No argument sir, I’m merely inviting you to acknowledge some credibility to the pattern or the theme. Case in point; the next document in your folder. It was published by the think-tank, Project For a New American Century and it’s entitled “ Rebuilding Americas Defenses“, and was written by Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush. To quote from the document sir – (the President interrupts)

PBO – “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”

CS – Touche, sir. Your thoughts on this statement Mr. President?

PBO – I would call this a blatant case of misjudgment fueled by an unfortunate milieu of assumption. For some, the uninformed denial of coincidence.

CS – Interesting angle sir. Nevertheless, Vice President Cheney didn’t stop there. In early 2008, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh and MSNBC, both reported that Cheney had proposed to the Pentagon an outrageous plan to have the U.S. Navy create fake Iranian patrol boats, to be manned by Navy Seals, who would then stage an attack on US destroyers in the Strait of Hormuz. This event was to be blamed on Iran and used as a pretext for war. Does any of this information worry you Mr. President? Should we just ignore it, until these realities can be dismissed years from now by our children, as ancient history as well?

PBO – Of course this information worries me, yet it’s not nearly as worrisome as you sitting here today suspiciously implying that 9/11 was somehow allowed to happen or even orchestrated from the inside.

CS – Mr. President I am not suspiciously implying anything. I am merely exposing the documents and asking the questions that nobody in power will even look at or acknowledge. And as I stated earlier, I voted for you, I believed in your message of hope and change. Mr. President I have come to you specifically hoping for a change. A change in the perception that our government has not yet made itself open and accountable to the people. These are your words Mr. President not mine. The lives of thousands were brutally cut short and those left behind to suffer their infinite pain are with me today Mr. President. They are with me in spirit and flesh, and the message we carry will not be silenced anymore by media fueled mantras insisting how they are supposed to feel. Deciding for them, for 8 long years, what can be thought, what can be said, what can be asked.

PBO – And I appreciate your passion, I appreciate your conviction. In spite of your concerns, in spite of what your data might or might not reveal, what you and the families must understand and accept is that we are doing everything we can to protect you.

CS – Mr. President , I realize were very short on time, so please allow me to run down a list of bullet points that might illuminate some reasons why we don’t embrace the warm hug of Federal protection.

PBO – We’ve come this far. Fire away.

CS – Please keep in mind Mr. President everything I’m about to say is documented as fact and part of the public record. The information you are holding in your hands chronicles and verifies each and every point.

PBO – You have five minutes left. The floor is yours. Brief me.

CS – Thank you Mr. President. Okay, first; On the FBI’s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: “There’s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene,” I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J.

CS – Number 2; FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J. after she revealed that the government had foreknowledge of plans to attack American cities using planes as bombs as early as April 2001. In July of ‘09, Mrs. Edmonds broke the Federal gag order and went public to reveal that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.

CS – Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”
WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.

CS – Number 4; In April 2004, USA Today reported, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of the targets was the World Trade Center.

CS – Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNN’s ‘Anderson Cooper 360′, reported that the mysterious “white plane” spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Force’s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as “The Doomsday Plane”.
Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.

CS – Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.
Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.

CS – Number 7; WTC Building 7. Watch the video of its collapse.

CS – Number 8; Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am. V.P. Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.
Fueling further suspicion on this front is the fact that three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else on planet Earth, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11. He did not exercise that power. Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.

CS – Number 9; Scores of main stream news outlets reported that the F.B.I. conducted an investigation of at least FIVE of the 9/11 hijackers being trained at U.S. military flight schools. Those investigations are now sealed and need to be declassified.

CS – Number 10; In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.
As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, “Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero.”

CS – Number 11 – Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse.

CS – Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been “lost” before admitting that they made the “error” of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.
In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that the building “has either collapsed, or is collapsing.”

CS – Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.
However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.
According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.

CS – Number 14; The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.

CS – Number 15; What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings? The passage is taken from testimony given by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.
During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, “The plane is 50 miles out.” “The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”
As the plane was not shot down, in addition to the fact that armed fighter jets were nowhere near the plane and the Pentagon defensive system was not activated, are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?

CS – Number 16; In May 2003, the Miami Herald reported how the Bush administration was refusing to release a 900-page congressional report on 9/11 because it wanted to “avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report,” particularly regarding pre-9/11 warnings as well as the fact that the hijackers were trained at U.S. flight schools.

CS – Number 17; Top Pentagon officials cancelled their scheduled flights for September 11th on September 10th. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, following a security warning, cancelled a flight into New York that was scheduled for the morning of 9/11.

CS – Number 18; The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004, and even by that point it was only in the trial phase. Calls from cell phones which formed an integral part of the official government version of events were technologically impossible at the time.

CS – Number 19: On April 29, 2004, President Bush and V.P. Cheney would only meet with the commission under specific clandestine conditions. They insisted on testifying together and not under oath. They also demanded that their testimony be treated as a matter of “state secret.” To date, nothing they spoke of that day exists in the public domain.

CS – And finally Mr. President – Number 20; A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC. In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah’s visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
At least a third of the WTC victim’s bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition. And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings.

(The Senior aide appears again beside the President whispering in his ear. He then quickly moves off).

PBO – Well Charlie I can’t say this hasn’t been interesting. As I said earlier you’ve showed up today focused and organized. Regardless how I feel about the material you’ve presented, I must commend your dedication and zeal. However, our time here is up.

(the President rises from his chair , I do the same).

CS – Mr. President! One more second!

(The President starts towards the door – I follow him quickly step for step).

CS – Mr. President, I implore you based on the evidence you now possess, to use your Executive Power. Prove to us all Sir, that you do, in fact, care. Create a truly comprehensive and open Congressional investigation of 9/11 and its aftermath. The families deserve the truth, the American people and the rest of the free world deserve the truth. Mr. President -

(He pauses. We shake hands).

CS – Make sure you’re on the right side of history.
(The President breaks the handshake).

PBO – I am on the right side of history. Thank you Charlie, my staff and I will be in touch.

(I watch as he strides gracefully out of the room, the truth I provided him held firmly by his side; in the hand of providence.)


_{Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
This is an open letter to the President requesting a new investigation.}

Charlie Sheen.



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Op woensdag 9 september 2009 14:40 schreef Ps2K het volgende:
bron?

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Op woensdag 9 september 2009 14:46 schreef BasOne het volgende:
Dit verscheen vannacht ineens op de FP als zijnde waar gebeurt

de brief, de uitnodiging aan Obama .... allemaal echt !

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Op woensdag 9 september 2009 14:50 schreef BasOne het volgende:
Het interview,

goed he, de uitnodiging staat.

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Baracks antwoorden,

ik ben heel benieuwd naar die antwoorden.

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de onderbrekingen en gefluister van een medewerker...

zo zal het er inderdaad uit gaan zien....

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Op woensdag 9 september 2009 15:27 schreef Ps2K het volgende:

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[ afbeelding ]

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Op woensdag 9 september 2009 20:25 schreef Demon_Hunter het volgende:
Toch nice dat ie m wel te spreken kreeg.

Vind ik ook...

.....

.....en toch,.... hulde voor duidelijkheid, compleetheid, en overzichtelijkheid.

ik heb me er helemaal doorheen geworsteld....

....en alles klopt.

Hij weet het zeker, ...denkt ie.

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Op donderdag 10 september 2009 23:48 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Enfin, dit is de zoveelste natte scheet uit de koker van Jones en zijn willfully ignorant- en zonderlinge aanhang.

heb jij iets gevonden in het verhaal dat niet klopt ?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 00:00 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Laat ik een wedervraag stellen: welke van zijn 20 punten vind jij de beste,

eitje,.... allemaal.

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waarom vind je dat,

omdat ik de bronnen heb gezien, en niets dat ze tegenspreekt.

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en op wat voor manier ondermijnt dat volgens jou de reguliere visie van 9/11?

wat is dat ?

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Ik ben ook na een tweede korte blik op de 20 punten van mening dat ze stuk voor stuk onjuist, irrelevant of een combinatie van beide zijn.

want ?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 00:18 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Waarom toch die neiging om zowat elke (aanzet tot) discussie tot slowchatgeneuzel te reduceren?

als je een woord gebruikt, waarbij verschillende mensen een verschillend idee hebben, dan discissieer je niet, maar praat je om elkaar heen, en da's zo mogelijk nog "geneuzeler" dan slowchat.....

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Met reguliere visie bedoel ik de officiele lezing van 9/11.

duidelijk.

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Probeer het nog eens als je wilt, maar dan wat serieuzer graag. Met dit soort antwoorden kan en wil ik niets.

waar zijn we nu gebleven ?

Ow, jah,...

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 00:00 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Ik ben ook na een tweede korte blik op de 20 punten van mening dat ze stuk voor stuk onjuist, irrelevant of een combinatie van beide zijn.

Kan, en wil je aangeven op basis waarvan je tot die conclusie komt?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 10:10 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Dan vraag je om opheldering, maar dat hoef je niet te doen door er een kleuterklaskringgesprek van te maken zoals je nu doet, en eigenlijk overal en altijd doet. Hiermee doel ik niet op je smileygebruik maar je kinderlijke niveau van posten. Dit is niet bedoeld als aanval maar als feedback.

helder, ....een mening.

de mijne: ..soms zijn er niet meer woorden nodig dan een paar goedgekozen exemplaren op "kinderelijk nivo", om iets dat ook kinderlijk eenvoudig is uit te leggen...

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Omdat het al jaren dezelfde "vragen" en factoids zijn die aangekaart worden door de 9/11 truthers, en die je als je een beetje goede wil hebt ook al jaren had kunnen ophelderen.

...en de reden dat nog niemand dat is gelukt, zelfs de directe nabestaanden van de slachtoffers niet,... is dan...?

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Vandaar dat ik je uitnodigde om uit de 20 punten degene te kiezen die volgens jou het sterkste is, zodat we die samen kunnen ontleden en kunnen kijken in hoeverre die nu werkelijk stand houdt.

Je kunt niet uit 20 keiharde feiten, er eentje aanwijzen die "het sterkste is", omdat ze samen nog sterker zijn dan ieder punt afzonderlijk....


_{Maar als je er met alle geweld 1 punt uit wilt fiteren om van dichtbij te bekijken, dan zou ik beginnen bij gebouw 7}

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 10:47 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Vertel, wat is er volgens jou aan de hand met wtc7 dan?

volgens mij heb ik het zien instorten.

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 10:56 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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. Het ziet er niet in he?

wat verwacht je nu van me? ik doe erg mijn best om je bedoeling te begrijpen....

Wat er in ieder geval niet inzit, is dat dit mogelijk was zonder nauwkeurige planning.

Herhaling punt 7,....

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 11:02 schreef Northside het volgende:
En zelfs al is het zo en het 1 groot complot is en door Amerika zelf opgezet... denk je dan dat de waarheid ooit boven tafel komt?

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Willen we dat wel? Het zou het einde betekenen van de Amerikaanse regering en misschien wel van Amerika als land. Opstanden, revolutie, anarchie... Dat willen de Amerikanen zelf niet.

Da's niet wat al deze mensen zeggen.....

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De gemiddelde Amerikaan wil de waarheid helemaal niet weten, omdat dat te confronterend is en teveel gevolgen zou hebben. Ignorance is bliss.

Totdat je ze met hun neus op de feiten drukt, en dan worden ze boos, en eisen een nieuwe regering.

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ALS het waar zou zijn... en dat is ook nog maar de vraag.

Denk jij dat er iets hierboven niet waar is?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 11:25 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Oversight, ik krijg sterk de neiging om je door elkaar te schudden als ik die smlileys zie.

doe je ook rugmassage's?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 11:32 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Is dit naar jouw mening ook nauwkeurige planning?

nauwkeuriger kun je haast niet plannen, lijkt me.

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 11:47 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Om welke vlucht ging het hier?

dat staat er niet bij, noch in welke kleur auto hij weer wegreed van het vliegveld, is dat belangrijk?

http://www.WantToKnow.info/010924newsweek

aanvullend, de bron is beschikbaar, en nergens weerlegd, dus bewijs tot aan het tegendeel...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/75993/page/2

Bewijs,.. Eindelijk... Bewijs... ...Hoera?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 12:29 schreef Northside het volgende:
Specifieker het einde van het Amerikaanse regeringssysteem, Amerikaanse burgers zouden nooit meer geloven in hun vorm van bestuur.

Wellicht is dat het grote plan van de Bilderberg.... want WIE bestuurt de USA ?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 14:00 schreef Northside het volgende:
Weet ik niet en maakt me ook niet uit.

wij weten het niet, zij weten het niet, wie weet het wel ?

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 15:11 schreef Terecht het volgende:

Zoals ik al zei ben ik in een coulante bui vandaag, dus geef ik je een herkansing.

Super, ik ga zo even teruglezen welke kans ik heb gemist, en dan ga ik er graag op in.

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Gelukkig heb je inmiddels een sneak preview gegeven van je eerste kaart, en dat is dat het instorten van wtc7 niet mogelijk was zonder nauwkeurige planning. Mijn verzoek is om je kaart nu open en bloot op tafel te leggen en daarom vraag ik aan jou waarom jij van mening bent dat dit nauwkeurige planning vergde en waaruit die planning dan wel niet bestond.

oewhhh jahhhh.... ik zal een overzichtje maken, en eens kijken of ik je kan overtuigen....

Geef me even de tijd, (mogelijk tot morgen) ben nu even druk met 3 kleine Oversight's... allen even eigenwijs als hun moeder ik.

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 18:23 schreef pberends het volgende:
Toch maar een FP-berichtje hoor: Sheen: VS zit achter 9/11

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 18:45 schreef ZureMelk het volgende:

Omg!
Je held Alex Jones is niet betrouwbaar!

zou het echt..?

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Wat een deceptie moet dat voor jou als doorgewinterde conspiracynut zijn.
Ik leef met je mee.

gelukkig heeft ie helemaal uitgelegd, waarom de "disclaimer" de eerste minuten niet zichtbaar was..

Dat was een briljante actie, en het heeft precies gewerkt zoals we hadden gehoopt,....

De start is gemaakt, en er komt nog een boel meer.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 14:39 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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'We'? Vereenzelvig jij je zoveel met Alex Jones dat je denkt deel uit te maken van zijn posse of wat?

nee, het is andersom...

geloof mij vooral niet....vraag het hem maar!

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 15:11 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Mijn verzoek is om je kaart nu open en bloot op tafel te leggen en daarom vraag ik aan jou waarom jij van mening bent dat dit nauwkeurige planning vergde en waaruit die planning dan wel niet bestond.

In de eerste plaats:


alsjeblieft.

Onze architecten, ...en ingenieurs. leuker konden ze het niet maken... wel beter begrijpelijk.

Als je nog vragen hebt, dan horen we het graag.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 15:40 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Alex Jones heeft allang bewezen niet vatbaar te zijn voor rede. Het is dus futiel om hem iets redelijks te vragen.

zijn telefoonnummer is beschikbaar, doe eens een poging en kom er zelf achter..

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 15:11 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Mijn verzoek is om je kaart nu open en bloot op tafel te leggen en daarom vraag ik aan jou waarom jij van mening bent dat dit nauwkeurige planning vergde en waaruit die planning dan wel niet bestond.

Ten tweede:

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse
3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed mostly in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
7. Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9.
10. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

Succes!

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 16:13 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Oversight:

.... nu wel

ik moest het even opzoeken hoor...

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 16:12 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:

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Waar is de architect van het WTC?

begraven ?

Minoru Yamasaki

† ..February 7, 1986

"Minoru Yamasaki was an American architect who achieved fame in the late 1950s with his sensuous, textile-like structures, and who later changed the Manhattan skyline with the two towers of the World Trade Center.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 15:37 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Het punt is dat het Sheen helemaal niet te doen is om een nieuw onderzoek. Sheen is op zoek naar een bepaalde conclusie, en die conclusie luidt: 9/11 = inside job.

Dat heet "een overtuiging", ...gestaafd door bewijs dat voorhanden is

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Als hij werkelijk zo begaan was met de waarheid dan had hij allang kunnen inzien dat de punten die hij aanbrengt verklaard danwel onjuist, onzinnig of irrelevant zijn.

Hoe dan ?

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Dat, of hij is daadwerkelijk zo incompetent dat het hem in al die jaren niet gelukt is tot dat inzicht te komen.

Maar nu ben jij er, en je gaat ons allemaal een eind op weg helpen om jouw inzicht te mogen meemaken.... toch?

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Maar dan werpt zich de vraag op of hij uberhaupt wel in staat is om de gebeurtenissen van 9/11 te kunnen begrijpen.

Gevolgd door de vraag, hoe jij tot jouw inzicht komt, ondanks alle bewijzen die we je nu hebben laten zien?

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 16:30 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:

Nee hoor, Leslie E. Robertson leeft nog en geeft zelfs lezingen over het instorten van de twee gebouwen.

super.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 16:31 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Kun je mij dan uitleggen welk gevaar hij liep?

tuurlijk, als je me uitlegt wie hem waarschuwde, er waren de dagen ervoor verschillende versies van het komende gevaar in omloop.....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 16:30 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Nee hoor, Leslie E. Robertson leeft nog en geeft zelfs lezingen over het instorten van de twee gebouwen.

bedoel je deze meneer?

John Blume & Associates _{(goldstein )}


Chartered Structural Engineer

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 18:11 schreef Terecht het volgende:

Probeer deze vragen eens in je eigen woorden te beantwoorden.

Helemaal voor jou dan....


Ik denk dat gebouw 7 opzettelijk is geprepareerd, en na ontsteking van de explosieven is geimplodeerd omdat:

..het gebouw is ingestort.

Het gebouw in z'n eigen fundamenten is gevallen, en geen steen erbuiten.

de instorting met dezelfde snelheid plaatsvond als die van een vrij vallend voorwerp.

Daarna..... is er nog teveel om hier kort weer te geven, maar als je serieus bent, zal ik het stap voor stap voor je uitleggen......

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 18:01 schreef gorggg het volgende:
Dus als ik het goed begrijp, denk je dat het WTC 7 is ingestort door een combinatie van explosieven, thermiet en een vulkaanuitbarsting?

je vergeet de chemtrails...

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Op vrijdag 11 september 2009 17:02 schreef ZureMelk het volgende:
Het is wel heel opvallend dat de complotters vrijwel nooit over de details op een constructieve manier in discussie willen gaan.

beschikbaar.

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En als ze het doen en je komt met info die hun punten onderuit haalt gaan ze lopen gillen dat ze gewoon gelijk hebben en jij een schaap bent of veranderen ze onmiddellijk van onderwerp.

Bewijs,.. Eindelijk... Bewijs... ...Hoera?

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Ze springen over van onderwerp naar onderwerp en komen met zoveel punten dat je ze niet allemaal in detail kunt behandelen.

ik wacht rustig af....

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En dan denken ze dat ze gelijk hebben.

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Want als ze zoveel punten hebben dan moet er wel 1 van kloppen is de gedachte.

Nee, als er zoveel punten zijn die vraagtekens oproepen, is nader onderzoek logisch, niet anarchistisch.

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Er is een gezegde, 1 gek kan meer vragen dan 100 wijzen kunnen beantwoorden.

klopt, maar niet als het over technische details gaat, wetenschappers zijn net iets handiger en vollediger in hun antwoorden, EN in hun onderbouwing, daarnaast worden ze door hun gelijken uitgebreid gecontroleerd op wat ze zeggen, dus zeggen ze niet zomaar iets.....

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Dat is in die gevallen meer van toepassing.

wat dan ?

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Als je 1000 punten hebt die het officiële verhaal in twijfel trekken maar je kunt er geen enkele hard maken dan heb je niet 1000 keer een beetje dus meerdere sterke punten maar dan heb je helemaal niets, nul-komma-nul, niets, noppes, nada, niente!!!!

Nee, dan heb de aanleiding om door te zoeken tot aan het gaatje....

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Maar door 1000 weerlegbare punten uit te kotsen op normale mensen denken ze indruk te maken.

zeggen ze dat ?

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Immers, geen mens kan ze allemaal met een goede onderbouwing weerleggen.

Maar een expert kan op zijn eigen aandachtsgebied duidelijkheid scheppen, dus dat gebeurt nu ook.

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Zo lang een complotter niet op zijn sterkste punten een gedetailleerde discussie wil aangaan wil deze dus eigenlijk zijn geloof in het complot testen.

dus ?

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Dan is het dus niets meer dan een geloof net als een religie.

inderdaad, maar dan met tastbare "wonderen" die je kunt onderzoeken, derhalve duidelijkheid scheppend.

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Complotters hebben een behoefte aan een alternatief voor een geloof in een god.

of een behoefte om duidelijkheid te scheppen in een lulverhaal.

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Ook hebben ze de complotten psychologisch nodig om hun gebrek aan zelfverzekerdheid/zelfrespect op te vullen.

wellicht... verandert dat iets aan de feiten?

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Het complotdenken dient namelijk voornamelijk om zich beter te kunnen voelen dan degenen die hun waarheden niet willen inzien omdat ze goedgelovig/slaafs/minder intelligent/etc zouden zijn.

En waarheidsvinding....

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Het wordt als een soort drugs voor de complotters.
Ze worden psychisch van hun complotten afhankelijk om zich goed te kunnen voelen.

klinkt bijna als een complot, vind je niet?

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Hierdoor zijn ze vrijwel niet in staat serieus naar de tegenargumenten te kijken want dat zou hun sterk schaden.

ik wacht nog steeds op een tegenargument.... nog lang?

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Eenmaal diep verdwaald in het conspiracygeloof is er voor hen geen weg terug meer naar de rationaliteit.

vandaar dat de de architecten en ingenieurs hebben gevraagd om wetenschappelijk onderbouwd in te grijpen,.. en dat deden ze ook....

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Discussie wordt daardoor dus vrijwel zinloos.

Discussie is bijna altijd zinloos, maar zo nu en dan leidt ie tot serieus onafhankelijk onderzoek...

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De complotter is immers niet in staat zijn geloof/verslaving te laten vallen.

vast wel, je hebt alleen meer nodig dan "het andere verhaal"... probeer eens iets tastbaars?

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Dat moet je in je achterhoofd houden iedere keer dat je met een goed onderbouwd argument dat niet weerlegbaar is bij die gasten aankomt.

of je staat niet sterk genoeg in je schoenen om je eigen standpunt naar behoren te verdedigen....

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Het enige wat je kan bereiken is dat personen die door de valse op emotie berustende argumenten van de complotters aan het twijfelen zijn gebracht niet over de rand in de beerput van het complotdenken vallen.

Ik ga altijd de discussie aan, overtuigd van mijn gelijk, en met de bedoeling om te overtuigen, niet iets half ertussen...

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Complotdenkers zijn niet noodzakelijkerwijs dom ondanks dat ze zulke domme argumenten gebruiken.

debunkers wel, als ze niet met inhoud komen.

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Hun verstoorde gedachtegang berust niet op een gebrek aan intelligentie maar op een emotioneel probleem.

Inderdaad, als morgen jouw eettafel omhoog valt en tegen het plafond blijft plakken, dan heb je even moeite met het feit dat de wereld om je heen toch net iets anders in elkaar blijkt te zitten dan je dacht.... da's best een emotioneel proces....

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Emoties zijn vaak sterker dan het rationeel denkvermogen. Een hoog iq is geen partij tegen een emotioneel blok.

Vandaar de honger naar feiten, over dingen die niet kunnen gebeuren, maar dat toch doen.

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Dat is ook de reden dat in de propagandafilmpjes van de complotters de feiten slechts een bijrol spelen.

heben ze het allemaal over hun emoties?

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Je ziet keer op keer dat in die filmpjes het sfeerbeeld dat opgeroepen wordt vele malen belangrijker is dan de feiten die ingebracht worden.

Nee, jij proeft een onheilspellende sfeer, als jouw beeld van wat waar is, door feiten wordt weerlegd..

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Vaak kan je zelfs heel makkelijk die feiten opzoeken en zien dat er niets van klopt.

ik begrijp dat je waarschijnlijk iets anders bedoeld dan je hier letterlijk neerzet.

Maar ik zal even wachten of jij dat ook vind...

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Maar de makers rekenen erop dat de meeste mensen dat tijdens het kijken niet doen en nemen de kijkers in een emotionele wurggreep.

wat gemeen van ze.....

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Er wordt een sinister, algeheel aanwezig, bijna almachtige duistere dreiging geschetst waardoor makkelijk irrelevante feiten aan mekaar gekoppeld kunnen worden zodat het lijkt alsof ze veel argumenten hebben.

t' is net CNN, vind je ook niet?

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Wat ook een van de pilaren onder hun propaganda is dat is het suggereren van dingen op zo'n manier dat de kijker zelf de volgende stap in gedachten maakt terwijl daarvoor het bewijs ontbreekt.

Jeetje... tjah,... aanzetten tot niet meer zelf nadenken....

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Daar bouwen ze op verder want in de filmpjes wordt die stap daarna als vanzelfsprekend aangenomen.

En als je er niets inhoudelijks tegenover kunt stellen,... dan is dat best vervelend... he?

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Op die manier kunnen er zonder enig bewijs vele stappen genomen worden richting indoctrinatie van de kijker.

inderdaad, nodigt uit tot nadenken.... toch ?

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Als het succesvol is wordt de kijker wantrouwend naar informatie van andere bronnen die niet met het geschetste verhaal overeen komen.

gemene boeven,... jou laten twijfelen....

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Diegene wordt dan langzaam steeds gevoeliger voor soortgelijke propaganda die een gelijke gedachte uitdraagt.

Ze moeten het verbieden.

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En hoe meer van deze propaganda bij deze persoon binnen komt, hoe geloofwaardiger het op deze over komt. Hoe kan het anders immers zo zij dat er zo veel dingen in dezelfde richting wijzen?

inderdaad.

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Connecting the dots noemen ze dat ook wel.

zo kom je ergens....

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Helaas is dat niet zo handig want je gaat dots met elkaar verbinden waartussen helemaal geen verband gerechtvaardigd is.

Dus zal de partij die de waarheid weet, wel even uitleggen hoe het zit... toch?

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Er ontstaat zo een dodelijke spiraal richting complete afhankelijkheid van complotten.

En die noemen we "gezond verstand"

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Eenmaal te ver doorgeslagen in deze richting is het heel moeilijk om zo'n persoon weer rationeel aan het denken te krijgen.

Artsen, monteurs, vitaminen... niets helpt.

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Ik hoop dat men hier als er naar een rationele discussie over details van 911 gevraagd wordt in staat is een fatsoenlijke discussie te voeren al vrees ik voor velen hier het ergste.

ik wacht op jouw inhoud....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 19:43 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

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Zien wat je wil zien, dat kunnen net zo goed stukjes wortel zijn...

Ook het gepubliceerde wetenschappelijke onderzoek, dat door gelijken is onderzocht , en niet kon worden weerlegd?

Ik geloof de wetenschapper die zelf onderzoek deed, en al zijn collega's vroeg om zijn bevindingen te controleren,.... en jij ?

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:22 schreef gorggg het volgende:


Euh.. Nee:
Foto

Vertel eens, wat zien we op deze foto ?

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Onzin. Het gebouw was al een heel tijdje aan het instorten voor de gevel instortte.

Met welke oorzaak ?

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Zelfs als je dat niet meetelt, is de instorting in beeld +/- 40% trager dan free fall speed. Dat is iets wat zelfs je conspiracy maatjes niet ontkennen (de meeste toch niet).

prima, de snelheid van de val nemen we later.... nu eerst de oorzaak, goed ?

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:26 schreef gorggg het volgende:

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Het was een serieus bedoelde vraag.

was er echt een vulkaan onder dat gebouw?

Dat wist ik zelfs niet....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:32 schreef gorggg het volgende:

Puin van WTC7 dat een ander gebouw beschadigde. Niet netjes in de footprint zoals je stellig beweerde dus.

wat een kracht moet er dan aan vooraf gegaan zijn..... OMFG, zelfs buiten de footprint...

Nu de bron:

But then, as you all know, some bad things happened and my buddy WTC 7 collapsed. He couldn't help it. I still miss that fella. Debris hit me. The southern half of the west facade and most of the south facade were severely damaged or destroyed, but there was no fire. I am the white building on the left.



Nu weer terug naar de OORZAAK, voordat we die overslaan?

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:34 schreef gorggg het volgende:

Het was niet ik die over pyroclastic clouds begon. Aangezien jij die aanbracht en vermits deze enkel voorkomen bij vulkaanuitbarstingen....

Google: pyroclastic clouds , 5e en 6e foto van links.


Vulkanen daar, kan niet missen....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:40 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:
Klein detail in een discussie waar ik me voor de rest niet in wil mengen, maar:
physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
Kan natuurlijk niet heh, je bent óf een prof, óf phd.

of je bent zelfs nog meer dan beide.

Education

Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, and his Ph.D. in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his Ph.D. research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[1]

The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person who professes to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank[1]) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 20:31 schreef ToT het volgende:
Dude, je hebt ook niet zo'n heel klein BEETJE irritante manier van posten he!

actie-reactie

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 21:27 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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Professor is idd geen beschermde titel, net als bv psycholoog, dat ik mezelf officieel professor in de psychologie kan noemen betekent niet dat ik dat ben.

Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, wat hem professor maakt in Physics,...AND his phd.....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 21:09 schreef Oversight het volgende:

Nu weer terug naar de OORZAAK, voordat we die overslaan?

terwijl [wachten op de oorzaak] .....

Best warm he? Zo'n hete wolk ?



Of zouden die voertuigen al op hun velgen rijden, voordat die wolk langskwam?


....mogeljk,... maar erg onwaarschijnlijk.....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 22:43 schreef Terecht het volgende:
WTC7 zou zonder de hulp van explosieven dus niet ingestort zijn? Zo nee, hoe kom je tot die conclusie?

inderdaad.

gezond verstand, gebouwen storten niet zomaar in, zeker niet symetrisch, en van onder...

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Naast dat dit een volledig irrelevante soundbite is, is het ook nog eens onjuist. Door de instorting van gebouw 7 is een naastgelegen gebouw voor meer dan 1 miljard $ beschadigd geraakt, en een tweede was zelfs zo zwaar beschadigd dat ze het af hebben moeten breken.

Deel van de schade die je beschrijft was al aanwezig voordat 7 omlaag kwam, tijd om je af te vragen hoe stalen balken uit wtc 1 en 2 zover konden vliegen.... en jah, er zijn foto's beschikbaar met die schade, EN een gebouw 7 dat nog staat....

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Voor zover de instorting op beeld staat verliep die zoals gorggg al zei ~40% trager van een vrije val instorting. Dat betekent dat pakweg helft van de potentiele energie nodig was om de weerstand die wtc7 gaf te overwinnen. Een controlled demolition gaat trouwens ook niet met vrije valversnelling, dus je punt is in alle opzichten onzinnig.

Rate of Building 7's Fall WTC 7's Facade Plunged at a Nearly Free-Fall Rate



facade movement free-fall
frame seconds displacement, floors displacement, feet seconds displacement, feet difference, feet
0 0.0 0 0.0 -0.65 0.0 0.0
1 0.5 0 0.0 -0.15 0.0 0.0
2 1.0 0.2 6.0 0.35 2.0 -4.0
3 1.5 1.0 12.0 0.85 11.6 -0.4
4 2.0 2.4 28.8 1.35 29.2 -0.4
5 2.5 4.5 54.0 1.85 54.8 +0.8
6 3.0 7.3 87.6 2.35 88.4 +0.8
7 3.5 10.7 128.4 2.85 130.0 +1.6
8 4.0 14.2 170.4 3.35 179.6 +9.2


spaties vallen weg in de post, bij de quote zie je het wel goed,.... morgen de edit.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 22:45 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Complotters zijn grappig. Een beetje lacherig doen over de mensen die in hun ogen de overheid, de wetenschap en alles wat 'orthodoxie' is als autoriteit beschouwen, maar zodra iemand hun theorie ondersteunt dan is geen voetstuk te hoog en kan hun autoriteit niet genoeg benadrukt worden. Bachelor's, PhD's, eredoctoraten, het is godverdomme de meest erudiete en integere man die je ooit zult tegenkomen! Had ik al gezegd dat hij in zijn vrije tijd Afrikaanse hongernegertjes adopteert?

nu kun je wel "grappig" gaan doen over deze man, maar hij levert toch maar mooi wetenschappelijk bewijs, dat zijn "peers" (die het heus tot in detail onderzochten,) NIET konden tegenspreken....

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 23:22 schreef gorggg het volgende:
Ivm je foto met een uitgebrande truck. Er zijn heel veel mensen in die 'wolken' verzeild geraakt die dat overleefd hebben. Toch sterk om zoiets te overleven als die 'wolken' volgens jou rubber zouden opbranden.

en vele meer overleefden dat niet...

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 23:33 schreef gorggg het volgende:
Onafgezien dat het eerste deel hiervan volgens mij niet klopt is het wel opmerkelijk dat WTC7 blijkbaar een controlled demolition is omdat het puin niet ver verspreid werd maar tegelijkertijd WTC1 en WTC2 en controlled demolition is omdat het puin wel ver verspreid werd.

Op het moment van inslag van de vliegtuigen wordt er veel puin verspreid, wtc 7 had geen vliegtuig te verwerken.

Tijdens het "instorten" van wtc 1 en 2, moeten er heel veel tussenvloeren worden "verwijderd", je ziet dan ook stalen balken wegvliegen.... zie foto.


Vraag jezelf nu eens af, waar de kracht vandaan komt om die balken zover te laten vliegen?

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De tijden die opgemeten worden komen ongeveer overeen met de bevindingen van het model dat NIST opstelde. Ook in hun opgesteld model valt het gebouw voor korte tijd aan quasi vrije val snelheid (wegens speciale constructie aan onderkant toren die het op dat moment begaf). Dus wat wil je hiermee beweren?

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 23:42 schreef gorggg het volgende:
Ik heb nog nooit ergens gelezen dat iemand klaagde over de hitte in die wolk.

dan lees je het nu voor het eerst.

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Er was zowat overal papier btw dat niet in brand schoot. Hoe kan dat in jouw theorie?

er was heeeeel veel papier in de gebouwen, en kijk op de foto, papier is lichter dan puin, en vliegt alle kanten op.... na verloop van tijd zal het ook neerkomen, onbeschadigd, bovenop het stof en puin.

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Op zaterdag 12 september 2009 23:59 schreef GlowMouse het volgende:
Zijn er nieuwe feiten, dat de WTC-7 discussie overnieuw gevoerd moet worden?

nee, wel een nieuwe manier van je kop in het zand steken, en het zou jammer zijn als...... ach je hebt eigenlijk gelijk.....

Glowmouse houdt het overzicht.....

I rest my case.

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Op zondag 13 september 2009 00:08 schreef Terecht het volgende:


Ach kom, een beetje complotter laat zich toch niet kisten door van die nare dingen als feiten, logica en de realiteit?

zodra je die gevonden hebt, meldt je het dan hier?

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Op zondag 13 september 2009 00:16 schreef Terecht het volgende:


Is this real enough for you, heh?

wat een mooi vraagteken, wat is de rest van het plaatje ?

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Op zondag 13 september 2009 00:23 schreef Terecht het volgende:

[..]

De Waarheid^TM natuurlijk, gekkie. 9/11 WAS A TRAIN JOB!!11!!!

weltrusten.

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Op zondag 13 september 2009 12:09 schreef Dragorius het volgende:


Maar kijk dat filmpje (plus deel 2 en 3) met dat Nederlandse interview nog eens, die man wordt alles in de mond gelegd

Veranderd dat iets aan zijn bevindingen ?

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Op zondag 13 september 2009 12:29 schreef Dragorius het volgende:

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Hij zegt vaker "het lijkt me onwaarschijnlijk" dan "het lijkt me mogelijk" en hij wordt juist gestuurd naar dat "mogelijk"

Hij vraagt ook om foto's van omliggende gebouwen en dan hebben ze die niet. Hij durft er ook geen sluitende conclusie aan te verbinden

Dus wat is de conclusie dan ?

Bedenk even voor je antwoord, dat deze meneer WEL een heleboel gebouwen en structuren heeft "gesprongen" ....

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Op dinsdag 15 september 2009 10:20 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:

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Het is een gefingeerd vraaggesprek.

dat doet niets af aan zijn reacties tussendoor.... toch ?

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Op woensdag 16 september 2009 19:23 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:
Nee, die zijn levensecht.

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Op woensdag 16 september 2009 23:12 schreef ToT het volgende:
Hey, in TRU is het ook niet handig om iedereen die in iets spiritueels gelooft voor zwakzinnige uit te maken of zo.

Of in NWS de mensen aanmerken als schaapjes....

Zelfs als het zo is...

“Oh shame, where is they blush?” – from Shakespeare’s Hamlet

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 12:42 schreef Terecht het volgende:

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Ik zou ook haast plaatsvervangende schaamte van Charlie Sheen krijgen, ware het niet dat hij een komiek is en ik me niet aan de indruk kan onttrekken dat hij ons voor het lapje houdt, om maar even een complotje op te gooien.

hij is acteur.


Maar jij bent wel lachwekkend....

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 13:55 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Het maakt ook niet uit voor het argument,

inderdaad, je bent best lachwekkend. Goed argument trouwens... wist je al dat hij ook confflakes eet?

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 14:03 schreef Dragorius het volgende:
Ok, kappen gasten.

pfffff... begon er net zin in te krijgen....

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 14:35 schreef Terecht het volgende:
Hoe zou jij dat onderscheid kunnen maken?

Hoi , dit vraagt om en antwoord,...

En nou niet zeuren Drago en Tot....

Ik geef gewoon antwoord op de enige vraag die er staat.... niks meer, ....

... en ook niks minder.....

....

Beste Terecht,... Ik meen dat onderscheid te kunnen maken, door het simpele feit dat er niemand in staat lijkt te zijn om een antwoord te vinden op de volgende vragen....


* Oversight kucht even, en maakt de luchtwegen vrij....:

9/11 - The Basic Questions

1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?

3. Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?

4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?

5. Why did George H.W. Bush meet bin Laden's brother on 9/11?

6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?

7. Where are the flight recorders?

8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?

9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?

10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?

11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?

12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?

13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?

14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?

15. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?

16. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?

17. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?

18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?

19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?

20. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?

21. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center?

22. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th?

23. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?

24. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?

25. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles?

26. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed?

27. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?

28. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?

29. How did a hijackers passport miraculously appear near the WTC? Who found it and what time?

30. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights?

31. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights?

32. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers?

MOHAMMED ATTA

33. Did the Florida police provide information that Atta was searched because of 1) an expired Visa, 2) driving a car without a license, 3) because of an incident at Miami Airport?

34. Why did Atta leave his bag at the airport and the employees didn't put it on board?

35. Who found his bag? How can we be sure it it was his bag?

36. Why did Atta place a video "how to fly planes", a uniform and his last will into his bag, knowing that he would commit suicide?

37. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental car?

38. When did Atta train on a flight simulator?

39. Did Atta leave the US while in training and then return?

40. Why did Atta decide to study at Opa Locka, a famous hub of 6 Navy training bases and includes government partners like U.S. Coast Guard Air Station, Police (Miami-Dade) Aviation Unit?

41. Why was Atta allowed to study since he was stopped by the police for driving without a license and also for violating his visa?

THE BLACK BOXES AND CRASH VIDEO

42. Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ?

43. Why didn't the FBI release the air traffic controller's protocols?

44. Why did the FBI not release the Flight Data Recorder info?

THE HIJACKERS

45. How did the FBI receive a tip from a passenger who boarded a different plane and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation with two ME men at the Logan airport in Boston?

46. Who tipped the FBI to storm the Westin Hotel in Boston on September 12th?

47. Where did the photos of all 19 hijackers come from?

48. How were all hijackers identified just 2 days after the attack?

49. Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released?
50. Why do none of the names appear on the passenger lists UA and AA gave to CNN?

51. How could the hijackers disable the defense systems?

52. Why did the FBI ignore Bin Laden's family, who left the United States without further investigation?

53. What about the supposed hijackers who are still alive?

54. Was there a reason to change the list of the original 19 hijackers?

55. What happened to Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who have been in jail since September 2001, because of possession of box cutters on a train? Who gave the tip to arrest them?

56. Why did it take 4 months before Ramsi Binalschibhs name was mentioned, since he was a good friend of Mohammad Atta and lived in his apartment in Hamburg?

57. Why did it take 4 months until December 11 to charge Zacarias Moussaoui for the 9/11 attacks when his case was known worldwide for months, but not mentioned in the American media?

58. Whatever happened with Lotfi Raissi, who was arrested in UK for teaching the terrorist pilots?

59. What is the current status of the investigation of Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export-Company in Hamburg and Al Taqwa Management Organisation in Lugano?

60. Why was Richard Reid able to enter the Paris airport twice and who paid for his hotel?

61. Who hired Zacarias Massoui to learn how to fly passenger jets in the United States?

62. Why did the FBI or CIA fail to interrogate him between August and December 2001?

BIN LADEN

63. Did the CIA monitor Bin Laden in 1998 with the help of 15 Afghan agents, paid $1,000/ month?

64. Where are these agents? Was Johnny "Mike" Spann one? Was John Walker Lindh one?

65. Is an Afghan agent a member of the ISI? Is an Afghan agent working for Bin Laden?

66. When was the first time Tenet mentioned the Al-Qaeda group to any member of the Senate?

67. Why did the Pentagon release a new video version or translation of the Bin Laden Home video?

68. Why it was released only 8 hours after translation by the German magazine MONITOR on December ?

69. Why were the four translators prior US-Government workers?

70. When was the Bin Laden Home Video found and who found it?

71. Who found the video if Northern Alliance and US troops had not yet arrived in Kandahar or Jahalabad?

72. Does the timestamp on the Bin Laden video indicate that it was found two weeks after it was produced?

73. Why was the public not informed who found the video and when?

74. Why according to MONITOR magazine, were the most controversial statements translated incorrectly?

75. Why was the video released?

76. Who gave the final decision to release it?

77. Why is the Bin Laden video of June 2001 in which he praised the attack, available on the Internet?

78. What about Bin Laden's statements on Al-Jazeera in June 2001 about the bombing of USS Cole, which are similar to the statements on the November 2001 home video?

79. Why did Bin Laden state in Umman Magazine in Sept. 2001, that he was not involved in the WTC?

80. Is Bin Laden still on the payroll of the CIA or ISI?

81. Did the Bin Laden Group Inc. help build ToraBora with the CIA?

82. What was the purpose of the meeting with General Pervez Musharraf in May 2001?

83. Why was a statement released that Al-Khalifa bin Laden, who is not the mother of Bin Laden, had a telephone call with Bin Laden on September 9, rather than Alia Ghanem, his mother? Why did Alia Ghanem say she did not believe he planned the attack?

ANTHRAX AND MICROBIOLOGIST DEATHS

100. What happened on September 18th, when an employee of Batelle Memorial Institute was involved in a so-called anthrax hoax on that day? Was he arrested?

101. Why did the investigation of that case begin in December 2001?

102. What was in the memo of Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a public health consumer advocate and author of "Death in the Air" on October 1, 2001, almost two weeks before the first anthrax letter was sent from Trenton to the American media building in Boca Raton?

103.What about his letter of Nov. 13 in which he claimed that BAYER is behind the anthrax infections?

104. Did US BioDefense laboratories send the anthrax-laced letters to get a new budget for research?

105. What about the statement of former UN-weapons inspector of Iraq, Richard Spertzel, who told ABC, "...he knows only five scientists in the USA who would be in the situation to produce such a fine, highly developed spore material"?

106. Why did it take 48 hours to inform Bob Stevens that he had anthrax?

107. Why were envelopes never found near Bob Stevens, Amelie Lundgren and Mia Nguyen?

108. How come Microsoft got a hoax anthrax letter from Malaysia on the same day that President Bush said Malaysia might be one of the next targets of the United States?

109. Why did the FBI never investigate the case Don Wiley, a Bioscientist who disappeared 11/13/01?

110. Why did the FBI begin to investigate after his body was found on December 22, 300 miles away? Was there an investigation at the military hydro plant where workers found him? Why did the media write different versions about how, when and where he was found? Why did the police report change 2 months later from suicide to an accident?

111. What was the goal of Bioport in 1997?

112.Did development of anti-anthrax vaccines begin in 1998?

113.When did Bioport decide to produce anthrax vaccines?

114. Was it before or after Sept. 1998 that Admiral Crowe was put in charge of investigations of the August 7, 1998 bombings of Embassy Nairobi and Embassy Dar Es Salaam?

115. Did the schedule for developing anti-anthrax vaccines begin starting in 1998?

116. When did the US Government ask Bayer for help in developing a vaccine?

117. When did Bayer start sending the vaccines to the U.S.?

118. When did Bayer double production of the vaccines?

119. Was the death of Vladimir Pasechnik investigated? He was former director of the Institute of Ultra Pure Biochemical Preparations of the Soviet bio-warfare establishment Biopreparat in November 2001?

120. How are the deaths of scientists Robert M. Schwartz, Dr. Benito Que and Set Van Nguyen explained since all occurred in the same month? Is Set van Nguyen related to the anthrax victim Mia Nguyen?

121. What about the death of Nancy Sonnenfeld (FEMA-Wife)?

122. Why was the NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife examining Anthrax in August 2000?

123. Do any employees in Trenton have the same handwriting as printed on the Anthrax envelopes?

124. Is it just a coincidence that the laboratory is also based in Trenton?

125. Did the FBI ever ask Fort Detrick to examine anthrax spores?

126. What about the list of 15-20 labs (maintained by Barbara Rosenzweig) who used Fort Detrick spores?

127. Does the CIA have spores different from those at Fort Detrick?

128. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force?

129. Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?

130. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?

131. Did Walter Gilbert, Director Myriad Genetics ever get official permission from relatives of those killed at WTC to examine their DNA?

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES

150. Why did General Mahmud Ahmad, former head of the ISI quit his position?

151. Why did retaliation against the Taliban begin the day he stepped down?

152. Who in the ISI paid $100.000 to Mohammad Atta?

153. Why does Ahmad think that another secret service was involved in the WTC attack? Which Secret Service was he referring to? Did other ISI official's believe that? Did officials of the CIA believe that? Did some officials of the Mossad believe that?

154. What was the purpose of Ahmad's visit to Washington on 9/11?

155. Who told Russian Foreign Minister Ivanov to abort an air strike against Afghanistan in May 2000?

156. Did Russian intelligence notify the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions, as reported in the Russian press?

KISSINGER

1. What did Kissinger mean that an "outside threat from beyond", a "world government" and "individual rights" who are "willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted", what you mentioned in 1991 on a Bilderberg Conference?

2. What was his role at UNOCAL?

3. What did he discuss at the Bilderberg meeting last year in May 2001?

4. What was the purpose of his meeting with Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov in July 2001?

5. Why does he write in "Toward a New Diplomacy for the 21st Century" that America doesn't need a Foreign Policy?

6. When was the last time Henry Kissinger met US-Ambassador in Pakistan, Robert Oakley?

THE PURCHASE OF AIRLINE PUT OPTIONS

1. Is it true that the CIA is in possession of PROMIS software?

2. What is the purpose of PROMIS?

3. Did A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, CIA, own any stocks of United Airlines, American Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re.?

4. What is his connection to Alex Brown, Deutsche Bank?

5. Did he give any insider information about to George Tenet, CIA?

6. Who was the investor who purchased 2,000 UAL put options between August and September 11, 2001?

7. Did Deutsche Bank-Alex Brown own any stocks of UA, AA, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re?

8. What about the 2,500 UA-contracts which were "split into 500 chunks each, directing each order to different U.S. exchanges around the country simultaneously." on August 10, 2001?

9. Did Deutsche purchase UAL options in August 2001?

10. Why did DB-AB purchase 4,744 put options on United Air Lines stock as opposed to only 396 call s on September 6-7? What was the purpose of doing that?

11. What is the connection to Wally Kromgaard?

12. Did Deutsche Bank or Wally Kromgaard purchase 4,516 put options on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options on September 10?

13. What was the reason of Mayo Shattuck III re-asssignment on September 15th?

THE TALIBAN AND THE CARPET OF GOLD..

1. When was the last time they met any representatives of the US-Government?

2. What was the purpose of these meetings?

3. Did the Taliban know Karl E. Inderfurth and State Department counterterrorism chief Michael Sheehan?

4. Do they know which US-Representative said in February 2001: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs"?

5. When was the last time the Taliban was in touch with this representative?

6. Did Abdul Haq, the former Mujahedin leader executed Sept 2001 by the Taliban, decide in Winter 2000 to attack the Taliban?

7. Did production of opium in Afghanistan fall from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 tonnes in 2001?

GLOBAL HAWK TECHNOLOGY

1. Was Global Hawk technology able to remotelycontrol unmanned planes in 1999 for 27 hours?

2. Did Northrop-Grumman use Global Hawk technology in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001?

3. What is the purpose of unmanned technology?

4. Is Northrup in contact with any engineers of Boeing?

5. Did Northrup install Global Hawk technology in a commercial airplane?

CARRIER AND TROOP MOVEMENTS BEFORE SEPT 11

1. Did two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast before 9/11?

2. Did 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation 'Bright Star' on 9/11? What was the purpose of both of these operations?

BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE

1. When did Tommy Franks learn that he would use Thermobarics in ToraBora?

2. Does he know if it had been tested on December 12 in Nevada?

3. Who told Franks that Bin Laden might hide in ToraBora?

4. Is the main purpose of Thermobarics to destroy buried bio and chemical stocks?

5. When was the first time Franks used Thermobarics? Was it before or after the announcement of the end of ABM Treaty on December 11?

6. When did the US decide to use B61-11, the "nuclear version" of its "conventional" BLU-113 counterpart?

7. Why has the NSA destroyed data collected on Americans or US companies since the Sept. 11 attacks?

ABORTED ATTEMPTS TO GET BIN-LADEN

1. Why did Clinton abort an attack on Bin Laden in October 1999?

2. Who was responsible for that operation?

3. Why was the operation put on hold?

4. Why did Musharraf halt a covert operation to attack Bin Laden in October 1999?

5. Why did the GOP in Congress stop almost every move Clinton made against terrorism? They refused to believe reports and pass necessary legislation. In 1996 Clinton proposed a very extensive anti-terrorism regulation.

RICHARD REID

1. Who hired Richard Reid to threaten a passenger plane in Paris?

2. Who did he send an email to in Pakistan?

3. Has he ever been in touch with the ISI or CIA?

4. Did he know the difference between an explosive and a detonator?

5. How many ounces did he have in his shoes?

6. What size are his shoes?

7. Who build or prepared his shoes?

JOHN WALKER LINDH

1. Has John Walker Lindh ever been in touch with the CIA?

2. Did he ever work for the CIA?

3. Who arrested him in 2001?

4. Why didn't he escape in the tumult to nearby Masar-e-Sharif?

5. Who hired his lawyer, Richard Brohanan? Who paid his lawyer?

6. Why didn't he go to Guantanamo Bay?

DICK CHENEY

1. When did Cheney stop working for Halliburton?

2. Is he still in possession of any Halliburton stock?

3. Is he still in contact with Halliburton?

4. Was Halliburton invited to an oil conference in May 2002?

5. Does Cheney know when that meeting was planned?

6. Did Cheney have influence concerning Halliburton contracts with the Pentagon?

7. What exactly did Cheney decide to do on September 11th?

8. Did he speak with an Air Force Commander or Lt. Gen. Charles F. Wald on that day?

9. When did he inform the president about the hijacked airplanes on September 11?

10. Who called the White House on September 11 at 9:30 AM about a possible threat?

11. Why was no air security at the White House or the Pentagon at 9:30 AM?

12. When and who gave the approval to evacuate the White House at 9:45 AM?

13. What was the purpose of a meeting with Indian opposition leader Sonia Gandhi in June 2001 about a multimillion-dollar debt owed to Enron from a major energy project in Indian Power Plants?

14. When was the last time Cheney spoke with anyone from ENRON?

COLIN POWELL

1. What was the role of Colin Powell?

2. Who decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?

3. Did he know that production of opium in Afghanistan fell from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 in 2001?

4. What was the purpose of his decision to treat the Taliban prisoners as War Prisoners? Is this decision in any way related to media reports 2 days earlier that Powell may have been involved in negotiations with Indian Power Plants?

5. What was the purpose of his short trip to Latin America on September 11?

6. Who decided that he fly to Latin America on that day?

7. Why would someone threaten him in Afghanistan on January 17, 2002 as Newsweek reported?

8. What was the purpose of Powell meeting with India's foreign minister on April 6, 2001?

9. Did Enron or Cheney ask Powell to help collect a $64 million debt on an Indian plant project?

GEORGE H.W. BUSH

1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to South Arabia on behalf of the Carlyle Group?

2. What was the purpose of that meeting?

THOMAS WHITE

1. Is Thomas White still in contact with ENRON?

2. Did his contact at anytime influence his decisions?

3. Does he still own ENRON stocks?

DELMART VREELAND

1. Did Vreeland warn Canadian Intelligence in May 2001 about possible terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon?

2. Did he place the warning in an envelope while in prison in Toronto, Canada?

3. Where did he get his information?

4. Whom did he give the envelope to?

5. Why was he placed in jail?

SAUDI-BINLADIN-GROUP.COM

1.Was the domain created on September 11th, 2000?

2. Who paid for that domain?

3. Are they also owners of Iridium Satellites?

4. When did they end contact with relatives of the Bush family?

THE CARLYLE GROUP

1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S.?

2. What was the purpose of that meeting?

3. When did he resign from Carlyle Group?

4. Is he still in touch with any of their representatives?

STEPHEN LANDER, Director MI5

1. Did Lander monitor a phone conversation between Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid in Dec. 2000?

2. What did Lander tell representatives of the CIA about Zacarias Moussaoui?

3. Why did he stop monitoring Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) in August 2001?

BIN LADEN IN DUBAI

1. Did Bin Laden in July 2001 enter an American hospital in Dubai?

2. Did he arrive on July 4, 2001 on a flight from Qetta, Pakistan to American Hospital?

3. Was he at the hospital July 4-11, 2001?

4. Did Bernard Koval, CEO of American Hospital, ever speak with Doctor Terry Callaway about that visit?

5. Why did he change his statements about this story not being true and that he "asked around"?

6. What is the difference between Continuous Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis and Continuous Cycling Peritoneal Dialysis?

7. Did Koval know Larry Stevens?

8. Can Koval explain why Richard Labeviere, author of "Terror Dollars" (about illegal Al-Qaeda accounts), wrote the story about Osama Bin Laden's kidney operation?

GEORGE W. BUSH

1. What exactly happened on September 11 and at what time was President Bush informed?

2. Why was President Bush scheduled to visit a school in Florida?

3. Who scheduled the time of the visit?

4. When exactly did Bush learn about the first crash into the WTC?

5. How could he have seen that on TV?

6. Why didn't he interrupt his school meeting as soon as he learned of the first plane crash?

7. Did Bush ever wonder how Bin Laden was able to hear the first plane crash live on the radio?

8. Which radio station he was listening to?

9. Can Bush explain how Bin Laden's Home Video was found only two weeks after it was produced?

10. Why did Bush decide to release Bin Laden's Home Video?

11. What is the purpose of the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHISC) in Fort Benning, Georgia, where terrorists have been trained for undercover agents in South America? Bush stated "if any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers themselves". So what does he think about Fort Benning?

12. What is the role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in the National Security Council ?

13. What is the current role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in Afghanistan?

14. When was Bush's last contact with anyone from ENRON?

15. Why was China admitted to the WTO on September 13 after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts?

16. Why did Bush postpone the release of Ronald Reagan's records?

17. How does Bush feel about the need to investigate the CIA's mistakes?

18. Does Bush agree with senators John McCain, Joseph I. Lieberman, Porter J. Goss, former C.I.A. clandestine case officer and a Florida Republican, Richard C. Shelby and Ron Paul, US Congressman, who want an investigation and have said "Secret government is winning out over open government"?

19. Why did Bush continue to sit in that classroom reading to children when he should have been conferring with his advisors?

20. Why did Bush say that he and Card initially thought it was an accident involving a small plane?

21. Given all the information sources available to the POTUS and his staff how could his people not have known the kind of plane involved?

22. Why didn't they know at this point, as did the FAA and NORAD, that aircraft were hijacked? The Batallion Chief in the 9/11 video was seen and heard asking for military backup immediately after the building was hit.

23. How come the NYFD knew it was terrorism right away but the POTUS and his aides just calmly went about their business?

TONY BLAIR

1. Were 25,000 British troops and the largest British Armada since the Falkland Islands War, part of Operation 'Essential Harvest' pre-positioned in Oman, the closest point on the Arabian Peninsula to Pakistan before September 11, 2001?

2. When did he begin to place SIS-Special Forces in Afghanistan? Why?

THE SUN-SENTINEL

1. Did Gloria Irish own unit 1504 at the Delray Racquet Club, 755 Dotterel?

2. Did she rent that property to Hamza Alghamdi in August 2001?

3. Why did the media not report about a connection of the Sun-Sentinel and the hijackers?

4. Why did it first appear that the hijackers had something to do with the anthrax attacks?

5. Why has this connection or coincidence never appeared in the media again?

6. What was the connection between husband Michael Irish (SunSentinel) and Bob Stevens (who died from Anthrax)?

WARNINGS

1. When did Vladimir Putin warn the CIA about a possible terrorist attack and what was their reaction?

2. What was the purpose of the meeting between Christina Rocca, director of Asian affairs at the State Department and the Taliban ambassador Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef in Islamabad in August 2001?

3. Why did she oversee the delivery of Stinger missiles in the 80s to Afghan mujaheddin?

4. Did Walid Arkeh in Seminole County jail inform the FBI in August 2001 about an attack on America? What was the reaction of the FBI?

5. Why did Dr. Jeffrey Starr, U.S. department of defense, visit Tajikistan in Jan 2001?

6. When did Jean-Claude Cousseran, Director DGSE , French Secret Service inform the CIA about terrorist attacks on America? What was their reaction?

7. What does he know about the monitoring of Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) and Kamel Daoudi? Did he ever inform the CIA about that? And when?

8. When did Italian Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini inform the CIA about a possible attack on the American president "with the use of an airplane"? What was their reaction?

9. When did President Mubarak, Egypt, inform the CIA about a possible attack on America with an "airplane stuffed with explosives"? What was their reaction?

10. When did Efraim Halevy , Director of Mossad since 1998 (unconfirmed) inform the CIA about a possible attack with "200 terrorists" on America? What was their reaction?

11. Is it true he warned Ariel Sharon not to travel to New York on September 11 to speak at a festival?

12. Did a caller to Loxley Banks, Director Radio Cayman Islands talk show, give several warnings of an imminent attack on the U.S on Sept. 3 -10?

13. The London Times reported that someone from the FAA warned Salman Rushdie not to travel to the United States on September 3rd? If this is true, who was it?

14. Did the FBI investigate the two men who met Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in Manhattan on September 8, 2001?

15. Who does Abdullah Abdullah (Northern Alliance) believe killed Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud on September 9, 2001?

16. When and why did he decide to attack Kabul on September 11 at 5:30 PM?

17. When did he decide to invade Masar-i-Scharif

18. Did the CIA helped him provoke a tumult?

19. Did he ever meet John Walker Lindh?

20. Why was Major John Kenny, Commander Wright Patterson Air Base, Dayton placed on high alert on September 10? Did he inform companies in Dayton to shutdown their offices?

21. Why was Colonel William M. Dietrick , Commander Defense Language Institute in Garrison, Monterey on high alert on September 10?

22. Why did one of Kenneth (Ken) Weinbrecht (President SAMS ) executives say on September 10, that he was a 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'"

23. Did Jean-Louis Bruguiere, French anti-terrorism, inform the CIA on September 10 about a possible terrorist attack? If so, what was their reaction?

24. Why did Atta and hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari check into a Portland, Maine motel (unidentified) on September 10?

25. Why was the Portland, Airport, according to eye-witnesses, in full charge of more military officials and soldiers than usual, weeks before September 11, 2001?

26. Why, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported, was Mayor Brown warned to be "cautious in your travel" the night of September 10? Who warned him?

27. Why did Alex Diamandis, Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing, receive a warning on his messenger service about a possible attack on America on September 11, 2001? At which time?

28. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction? Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL/GLOBAL HAWK

1. Why did Kenneth Waldie, Stanley Hall, Herbert Homer and Peter Gay of Raytheon travel on Sept. 11?

2. Can Global Hawk technology be used for at least 27 hours?

3. Is Global Hawk technology used in commercial airplanes?

4. Did Danielle O'Brien, air traffic controller, inform another air traffic control center about a plane traveling fast southwest of Dulles after spotting it 8:18 AM on September 11?

5. Who was informed and what happened?

THE PENNSYLVANIA CRASH

1. Why didn't Dr. James G. Roche, Secretary of the Air Force try to reach the airplanes in NYC (7 minutes time for McGuire AFB in New Jersey ) and at the Pentagon (10 minutes time)?

2. Did Roche ever try to shutdown the plane in Pennsylvania?

3. Can Roche explain why magazines of that plane were found 20 miles away from the crash? Andrews AFB is 13 miles away. He had one hour and fifteen minutes to respond to the plane that hit the Pentagon. What happened during that time?

4. Can he explain why many ear and eye witnesses, including workers of the road construction company New Enterprise saw or heard F-16 jets?

5. Why did President Bush say only one week later that he tried to shutdown that plane?

6. Who gave that decision?

DEFENSE ALERTS AND MOVEMENTS

1. Why did George Bush leave Barksdale Air Force Base aboard Air Force One and flew to an Air Force base in Nebraska on 1:48 PM on September 11 and returned to Washington at 4:30 PM?

2. What exactly did Donald Rumsfeld do that day before he arrived at the Pentagon around 3:55 PM?

3. How did Rumsfeld know at 5:30 PM on September 11 that the plane in Pennsylvania could have been headed for one of three possible targets: Camp David, the White House or the U.S. Capitol building?

4. Can he explain why early media reports told us that no squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets have been at Andrews and later changed their reports that they haven't been on high alert only?

5. Why was Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, so sure on September 11 that aircraft was coming your way?

6. What did the D.C. Air National Guard in Washington do on September 11?

7. Can he explain what those 3 fighters did from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am?

8. Can he explain why Air Traffic Controllers in a Nashua Telegraph article did report an F-16 was circling Flight 93 and was in visual range at the time of crash?

9. Can he confirm a witness report that National Guard F-16's have been at Hancock field in Syracuse NY in the air early that morning before 9AM?

10. How could the hijackers know how to disable defense systems?

11. What was the official reason that fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base, NJ did not intercept the 2nd hijacked plane in NYC? This would have been possible within 7 minutes after 8:48 AM.

12. Why did none of the 459th Aircraft Squadron (Andrews AFB) fighters intercept the plane which crashed into the Pentagon? Andrews AFB is 10 miles from Washington DC.

13. Col. Ken McClellan, Air Force spokesman said on September 11, that Mohammad Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, and was seen by eye-witnesses? What was McClellan doing there? Why did he later deny the report?

14. Why did he decide not to shutdown ECHELON base Bad Aibling in Germany as planned for 2002?

15. What is the reason that none of any Air Force fighters reached the hijacked plane in time?

16. Many ear and eye witnesses think that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. What is the scientific explanation why the magazine of the airplane was found many miles away?

17. Why did Jack Kelly, idefense.com, inform USA Today only 12 minutes after the first crash (8:48AM), that terror groups using Web encryption may have been responsible? And why was he so sure before the second crash at 9:03 PM?

18. Did Kelly serve with the U.S. government where he managed several significant programs for the information warfare and intelligence communities?

19. Did Joseph J. Esposito, Chief of NYPD try to contact the Pentagon at 9:06 AM on September 11? What was their reaction?

20. Why didn't General Elwood "Pete" Quesada of the FAA inform President Bush between 8:15 and 9:05 about four simultaneously hijacked planes? Who did he inform and what was their reaction?

THE WTC COLLAPSE

1. What does Nicholas Scoppetta of FDNY know about the latest reports of the WTC destruction?

2. Can he explain why many witnesses saw and heard more than two explosions in the WTC?

3. Can he explain why both Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed in that way?

4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?

5. Can he explain why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC?

6. Can he explain why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC?

7. Why did Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, Director CDC prepare, as CNN reported, emergency-response teams on September 11 at 11:16 PM?

*O* MISCELLANEOUS

1. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction? Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?

2. When did Tayseer Allouni , Kabul correspondent Al-Jazeera, receive his first video from Bin Laden? Can he explain why the first video on October 7 2001, the day of the retaliation, looked like it was recorded in the morning?

3. Did Tom Simmons (former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia) decide or announce in a July 2001 meeting that an attack was planned on the Taliban in October 2001?

4. Why did Ms. Barbara Bodine, US ambassador to Yemen stop John O'Neill from investigating Al-Quaeda accounts in July 2001?

5. Did Niaz Niak, former Pakistani Foreign Secretary say in mid July 2001 that the USA planned military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban?

6. Did Hameed Gul, retired Pakistani general of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence, say that a secret service was involved in the attack on America?

7. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force? Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?

8. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?

9. Why did Mayor Guilani sell WTC rubble to India for recycling and also China? Who made that decision?

10. What was the purpose of U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain's phone call on October 10, 2001 to the Pakistani oil minister? Why was she sure that a previously abandoned Unocal pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to the Pakistani coast for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, was back on the table in view of recent geopolitical developments?

11. What exactly was found on Z. Moussaoui's computer after 9/11, when local agents were given a Federal Intelligence Security Act (FISA) warrant, which they had requested six weeks previously? This ties directly into the question of the administration's dealings with the Taliban, its reluctance to investigate Saudi nationals, etc.

12. Why the attack on Cynthia McKinney for asking: 1) why has there been no investigation of the 9-11 attack? and 2) did Bush/CIA/NSA know of it beforehand, and allow it to happen?

13. Why is the Bush administration so strongly against a real investigation into the events of 9-11?

14. Why did the US give 43 million dollars to Afghanistan back in May or June of 2001

15. Why did Bush toss the Hart-Rudman terror security study (developed over a 2 year period) and instead assign responsibility to Cheney and FEMA?

16. Why did Ashcroft stops flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001? Why did the FBI and Justice not identify the form, origin and time of the threat?

17. Why did Bush stay in Texas for the month of August and Cheney in Wyoming?

18. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom a half-second after Andy Card told him, "Mr. pResident, the nation is under attack"?

19. Why did they leave him exposed to danger for two and a half minutes in the classroom and another half-hour in the school before he returned to the relative safety of Air Force One?

20. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?

21. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights tell people on the ground that the highjackers had "box cutters"?

22. Where are the flight recorders?

23. How did they find a passport that just "happens" to belong to one of the hijackers in the WTC rubble and they can't locate even ONE flight recorder?

24. Why no investigative reporting of the Pentagon scene? The photos do not show much, but then photographers were not allowed, initially, to photograph the scene, if I remember correctly.

25. Why was the series of recommendations Al Gore also put together in 1996 on airport security called by Republican congress "paranoid" and too harsh. Why did the airline industry, lobbying against it, consider it too expensive and impractical.

26. Why was the Hart-Rudman report on the potential dangers of terrorism in the homeland. The results of the research ignored by Bush?

27. Why were FISA warrants disallowed by Bush?

28. Why did the US pull the plug on Muslim websites Monday September 10, 2001?

29. Why did the Saudi bin-Laden-group have a website with a PRE-SET expiration date of Sept. 11, 2001?

30. Why were the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11?

31. Why did Cheney say that everyone in the White House started taking Cipro on September 12 when the first anthrax letter wasn't postmarked until September 18?

32. Why did Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force? What would have happened had this focused and knowledgeable group been in place 9 months before 911?

33. Why was metallic debris found 8 miles from the crash site of the plane that went down in Penn? They said it went straight down and left a small hole in the ground. If they found metallic debris from the plane 8 miles away it was either shot down or a bomb exploded in the plane.

34. Why did they not let the media or any reporters take video or photos of the crash site?

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