9/11 FEITEN: Centraal > Pentagon

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Op donderdag 16 maart 2006 13:58 schreef Oversight het volgende:

Ooggetuige USA Today's Mike Walter: "It was like a cruise-missile with wings on it."

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Op donderdag 16 maart 2006 19:37 schreef LostFormat het volgende:
Zo blijkt maar weer eens dat quotes totaal uit hun verband worden getrokken om eigen theorieen kloppend te maken... Toch wel vreemd dat mensen die zo graag de waarheid boven tafel willen er zelf zo slecht mee omgaan.

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Op donderdag 16 maart 2006 22:55 schreef Oversight het volgende:
Wát moet ik nou doen om duidelijk te maken dat het erg storend werkt als iedereen hier stukjes gaat quoten en er zijn/ haar mening over geeft,..... ????

Er staat iets in de OP, mensen, lezen jullie even mee?

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Op donderdag 16 maart 2006 23:15 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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-- reactie op bovenstaand--

[q] het kán wel degelijk, zie HIER

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Op donderdag 16 maart 2006 22:50 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Dank voor je inzet, OP aangepast!

DIT is nou de bedoeling mensen, in AL die 9/11 topics.

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 10:43 schreef Oversight het volgende:
Pentagon, het best beschermde gebouw ter wereld.

Volgens de officielen is er maar 1 camera die de inslag heeft geregistreerd, en van die registratie zijn alle relevante frames "verdwenen".

Onderstaande frames komen van CNN, en de authenticiteit is nog niet in twijfel getrokken.

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Hoewel de officielen volhouden dat deze camera opnam in time-laps-mode (wat zoveel betekent dat er niet contunue wordt opgenomen maar er een "foto" wordt gemaakt iedere X hoeveelheid verstreken tijd), lijkt dit gezien de aard en plaats van het gebouw héél erg onwaarschijnlijk.

Op http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/archive/english1.html staat een héle verhandeling over hoe het gezien de FEITEN, onmogelijk een 757-200 kan zijn die daar te zien is.

Of het vliegtuig is véél te klein, óf het pentagon is gekrompen.....

ik neem even als FEIT aan dat het pentagon niet kan krimpen.

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 19:24 schreef Oversight het volgende:
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Vormen komen aardig overeen met iets dat niet op een vliegtuig lijkt...

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 19:24 schreef Oversight het volgende:
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Vormen komen aardig overeen met iets dat niet op een vliegtuig lijkt...

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 19:24 schreef Oversight het volgende:
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Vormen komen aardig overeen met iets dat niet op een vliegtuig lijkt...

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 21:24 schreef Oversight het volgende:

dit zijn géén welles/ nietus topics....

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 21:21 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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JANE's,...

we zouden hier toch met FEITEN komen?

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 10:51 schreef Oversight het volgende:
dan bekijken we http://membres.lycos.fr/applemacintosh/pentagon.htm

en daarna http://membres.lycos.fr/applemacintosh2/Pentagon2.htm

Zet iemand even de FEITEN op een rijtje ?

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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 21:24 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Zucht, die FEITEN staan hier al 2 dagen....


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Op maandag 20 maart 2006 01:04 schreef Stikstof-tri-iodide het volgende:

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haha, ik ben helemaal overtuigd door dit plaatje

Serieus, ik lig echt in een scheur hier. Je had net zo goed een fucking vliegende drol in dat plaatje kunnen zetten. Je bewijst er echt geen reet mee

Zowieso zit je hier echt iedereen te irriteren, Oversight, met je constante stroom met misinformatie die gewoon @ random van een bagger site haalt.

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Almelo’s doek redde levens in Pentagon

Almelo - Een supersterk en technologisch hoogwaardig textieldoek uit de fabrieken van Ten Cate Nicolon in Almelo heeft bij de aanslagen op 11 september vorig jaar er mede voor gezorgd dat honderden mensenlevens werden gespaard.
Het speciale textieldoek, Geolon genaamd, werd negen jaar geleden verwerkt in de muren van het Pentagon in Washington. Door die toepassing bleven de muren en vloeren van het Pentagon tot meer dan een half uur na de inslag van het gekaapte vliegtuig hangen. Door deze marge wisten veel medewerkers van het Amerikaanse defensiehoofdkwartier op het nippertje te ontsnappen aan de dood.

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The plane debris observed in the various photographs does indeed comport with that of a 757, at least to the limited degree with which they can be compared to actual 757 parts or the manufacturer's detail drawings, as shown above. The engine compressor or turbine disk appears to be approximately the correct diameter to have been used in a Rolls Royce RB211-535E4B engine, as used in American Airlines 757 aircraft. The fragment of the high pressure combustor casing also comports with the string of fuel inlet nozzle holes, the mounting bosses of which have the correct number of screw holes (6). The combustor is definitely not from a Pratt and Whitney PW2037, which is the other make of 757 engine used in the airline industry, nor is it from a General Electric CF6-80C2.

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Some observers have claimed that these engine parts are too small to have come from a 757. The confusion is because the RB-211 engine configuration is dominated by the large turbofan at the front of the engine, which is what people expect a 757 engine should look like. However, because the RB-211 is a "high bypass" engine, the high-pressure compressor, combustion chamber and turbine are all much smaller than the turbofan, as shown in the small overview figure at the top left of the drawing. It is perfectly reasonable to ask what happened to the turbofan -- but the compressor disk and the combustor case do look like 757 parts.

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With regards to the missile theory: The engine parts might comport with the Rolls-Royce turbofan engine in a British Harrier jump-jet, but probably not with a Global Hawk or other missile. The wheel and landing gear parts do not look like they came from a fighter plane or missile. After a diligent search, we have been unable to find any photographs of parts which are clearly from a fighter jet or missile, rather than from a Boeing 757.

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Planes
265 people killed on four planes; 232 passengers, 25 flight attendants, 8 pilots. (Note that this total includes the 19 hijackers, who reportedly boarded the planes as passengers.)

American Airlines flight 11 BOS-LAX (north tower of World Trade Center):
93 people: 82 passengers (including 5 hijackers), 9 flight attendants, 2 pilots

United Airlines flight 175 BOS-LAX (south tower of World Trade Center):
65 people: 56 passengers (including 5 hijackers), 7 flight attendants, 2 pilots

American Airlines flight 77 IAD-LAX (The Pentagon):
64 people: 58 passengers (including 5 hijackers), 4 flight attendants, 2 pilots

United Airlines flight 93 EWR-SFO (Pittsburgh):
44 people: 37 passengers (including 4 hijackers), 5 flight attendants, 2 pilots

See also: Memorial wiki tributes to the occupants of each plane

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Flight 93 hijacker: 'Shall we finish it off?'
9/11 report reveals who was at controls before crash
Friday, July 23, 2004 Posted: 5:57 AM EDT (0957 GMT)


(CNN) -- Who actually put United Flight 93 into a death dive, causing it to slam into the Pennsylvania countryside on September 11, 2001, is revealed in the 9/11 commission report released Thursday.

The passenger revolt began at 9:57 a.m., nearly 30 minutes after the four terrorists aboard launched their takeover of the Boeing 757 loaded with more than 11,000 gallons of jet fuel.

As passengers charged the cockpit door, terrorist hijacker Ziad Jarrah began rolling the plane to the left and right, "attempting to knock the passengers off balance," the 9/11 commission report said. Jarrah told another hijacker in the cockpit to block the door.

By 9:59 a.m., Jarrah changed tactics and "pitched the nose of the airplane up and down to disrupt the assault."

"The [flight] recorder captured the sounds of loud thumps, crashes, shouts and breaking glass and plates. At 10:00:03 a.m., Jarrah stabilized the airplane," the report says.

"Five seconds later, Jarrah asked, 'Is that it? Shall we finish it off?' A hijacker responded, 'No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off.' "

Jarrah resumed pitching the plane up and down.

"In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die," a passenger is heard saying.

"Sixteen seconds later, a passenger yelled, 'Roll it!' " the report says.

By 10:01 a.m., Jarrah stopped his violent maneuvers and said, "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!"

According to the report, he then asked another hijacker in the cockpit, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?"

"Yes, put it in it, and pull it down," the other responded.

The passengers continued with their assault, trying to break through the cockpit door. At 10:02 a.m. and 23 seconds, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!"

"The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them," the report concludes.

"The airplane headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting, 'Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest.'

"With the sounds of the passenger counter-attack continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C."

Struggle in the cockpit
The report says Jarrah intended to fly the plane into the White House or the U.S. Capitol. "He was defeated by the alerted, unarmed passengers of United 93," the report says.

The battle aboard the plane was burned into history by the story of one passenger, Todd Beamer, who used an onboard phone to call the FBI. At the end of his call, the operator overhead him say to other passengers, "Let's roll."

He and other passengers had learned of the attacks in New York and Washington after placing calls to loved ones.

In the weeks and months after the attacks, there were reports that officials believed passengers had overtaken the plane, forcing it to crash in the field in Pennsylvania. However, last year, officials began backing away from that theory.

Thursday's report gives no indication that passengers ever broke through the cockpit door, but it makes clear that passengers' actions thwarted the plans of the terrorists.

The report also gives harrowing details of the moments just before and after the plane was hijacked.

The plane, which had left Newark, New Jersey, for Los Angeles, California, at 8:42 a.m. carrying 37 passengers and seven crew members, received a warning from United flight dispatcher Ed Ballinger at 9:24 a.m.: "Beware any cockpit intrusion -- two a/c [aircraft] hit World Trade Center."

The message was sent by Ballinger to several aircraft to alert them of potential terrorists.

Two minutes later, at 9:26 a.m., pilot Jason Dahl appeared to be puzzled by the message and responded, "Ed, confirm latest mssg plz -- Jason."

"The hijackers attacked at 9:28," the report says. "While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA's air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft.

"During the first broadcast, the captain or first officer could be heard declaring 'Mayday' amid the sounds of a physical struggle in the cockpit. The second transmission, 35 seconds later, indicated that the fight was continuing. The captain or first officer could be heard shouting: 'Hey get out of here -- get out of here -- get out of here.' "

At 9:32 a.m., the report says, a hijacker "made or attempted to make the following announcement to the passengers of Flight 93: 'Ladies and gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So, sit.' "

The report also says a woman, most likely a flight attendant, was being held captive in the cockpit. "She struggled with one of the hijackers who killed or otherwise silenced her," it says.

The report says at least 10 passengers and two crew members contacted family, friends or others on the ground. They reported the hijackers were wearing red bandanas, forced passengers to the back of the plane and claimed a bomb was aboard, according to the report.

Flight 93 was the only hijacked plane that day with four hijackers aboard. All other flights had five hijackers.

The report says a man who was denied entry and detained in Florida a month before the attacks possibly was supposed to have been the fifth hijacker aboard Flight 93.

"The operative likely intended to round out the team for this flight, Mohamed al Kahtani, had been refused entry by a suspicious immigration inspector at Florida's Orlando International Airport in August," the report says.

Al Kahtani is currently being held at the detainee center at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

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Op dinsdag 21 maart 2006 21:54 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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EXTRA BELANGRIJK FEIT:

Only one engine was found inside the Pentagon. The two images below show two parts of the single engine found in the Pentagon. The left-hand image shows what appears to be part of the rotor element bearing the stubs of vanes. The right-hand image shows what appears to be the compressor (front) stage of the engine encased by its housing. This engine is barely a third the diameter of a large turbofan engine that powers the Boeing 757.

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Turbofan Engine used in Boeing 757
The engines used by the Boeing 757 are similar to the Pratt and Whitney engine shown below (PW 2003) and have the same dimensions, being nearly three meters in diameter, more than twice the diameter of the engine shown above.

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Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)


OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.


Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper

In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".

The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he claims, because they were "not civilians" but were working for the American system.

Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to stay out of the conflict.

The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday.

The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.

In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."

In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians even in a holy war.

He says: "The towers were supposed to be filled with supporters of the economical powers of the United States who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians should change their stand and reconsider their position. We are treating them like they treated us."

Bin Laden goes on to justify his entire terror campaign. "There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them."

He directly threatens the lives of President Bush and Mr Blair. "Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the power of force. Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved." He also calls on all Muslims to join him. "It is the duty of every Muslim to fight. Killing Jews is top priority."

Bin Laden warns other nations to keep out of the conflict, implying that they could face terror attacks if they do not.

In the video, he also claims responsibility for an unspecified terrorist outrage in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which he claims was sparked by secret messages in one of his videos.

He admits for the first time using public pronouncements on video to whip up terrorism - a danger about which the British and American governments have warned broadcasters.

It is significant that throughout the video he uses the personal pronouns "I" and "we" to claim responsibility for the attacks. In the past, he has spoken of the attackers only in the third person.

Bin Laden has publicly issued four previous videos since September 11, always denying carrying out the atrocities.

He now claims to have access to nuclear and chemical weapons. Bin Laden made the claims on Friday night during an interview with the English language Pakistani newspaper Dawn.

He said: "If America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent."

Defence analysts dismissed these claims. They said that although bin Laden could have access to nuclear material through links with Pakistan or former Soviet republics, he was unlikely to have the technology to cause an explosion.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We know that he was looking for that capability. We believe he does not have it."

Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws.

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Steel beams reinforce the walls around the new blast resistant units on the A and E-rings. Each window unit weighs approximately 1,600 pounds. The geo-technical material covering the wall between the steel beams acts as a giant "catcher's mitt" in the event of an explosion, preventing debris from injury the occupants of the room.

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Op dinsdag 21 maart 2006 22:08 schreef Oversight het volgende:

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Ik wíst dat die langs zou komen...



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The following cut-away view of a turbofan engine similar to the ones used on 757s shows how much the diameters of the various parts differ. The high-pressure compressor and turbine rotors are only about one-third the approximately 8-foot diameter of the fan.

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What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists, and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with headquarters at Walter Reed, played a major role in Operation Noble Eagle investigations, officials said.

Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said. Of the 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were passengers on American Airlines Flight 77. Only one of those who died made it to the hospital. The rest were killed on site, and for some, only pieces of tissue could be found.

AFIP's team of forensic pathologists, odontologists, a forensic anthropologist, DNA experts, investigators, and support personnel worked for over two weeks in the mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, Del., and for weeks at the DNA lab in Rockville, to identify the victims of the attack.

"Our staff represented every branch of the service," said AFIP Director Navy Capt. Glenn N. Wagner. "We also received tremendous support from the doctors, nurses, and technicians stationed at Dover who participated in the investigation."

The investigation mobilized AFIP assets in many ways. In the hours following the crash Sept. 11, the acting armed forces medical examiner, Air Force Col. AbuBakr Marzouk, worked with FBI and local Virginia law enforcement officials to create a plan for recovering and identifying the victims.

At the same time, personnel from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner positioned and staged equipment to begin operations at Dover. Air Force Maj. Bruce Ensign served as AFIP's team leader at the site.

"We immediately called in regional medical examiners from as far away as San Diego to participate," Ensign said. A total of 12 forensic pathologists, assisted by two AFIP staff pathologists, headed the investigation team. Also arriving at Dover during those early critical hours were two other key AFIP groups: forensic scientists from OAFME's Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory and oral pathologists from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology.

AFDIL scientists ensured data systems and records were available to make DNA identifications, while the oral pathology group created a triage area to conduct positive dental identifications. Contacts were also made with family services in each branch of the military to obtain ante-mortem information and reference material. Mortuary operations were fully underway by the evening of Sept. 13. AFIP used a well-defined and tested system for conducting the identifications of the Pentagon victims. When remains arrived at the morgue, a scanning device searched for the presence of unexploded ordnance or metallic foreign bodies. A computerized tracking system assigned numbers to each victim for efficient tracking.

FBI experts collected trace evidence to search for chemicals from explosive devices and conducted fingerprint identifications. Forensic dentistry experts from the Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology performed dental charting and comparison with ante-mortem dental records. Full-body radiographs followed to document skeletal fractures and assist in the identification process, followed by autopsy inspection.

At autopsy, forensic pathologists determined the cause and manner of death, aided by forensic anthropologist Dr. William C. Rodriguez in determining the race, sex, and stature of victims. A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies. Forensic photographers, essential to any forensic investigation, documented injuries and personal effects. Mortuary specialists then embalmed, dressed, and casketed remains prior to release to next-of-kin.

For eight days a full complement of AFIP forensic specialists worked 12-hour shifts to complete the operation.

"This is the largest mass fatality we've dealt with in recent years," Ensign said. "We have modalities today that we didn't have before. Our investigation was much more technology-intensive." Ensign noted the entire team worked well together. "Because of the combined effort of all three services and the FBI, we were very pleased with the speed of the identification process. Essential records and references were submitted to us in a timely way."

Logistical help from AFIP also played an important role. "We had tremendous logistical issues obtaining equipment, especially with additional demands in New York City and Somerset County, Pa.," he said. "Fortunately our logistical support was terrific in helping us get material in." The Dover mortuary sent specimens back to the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville.

Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well. Every one of the organization's 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved -- from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, seven days a week to meet the mission requirements

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The story of Flight 77 - pieced together from government records, news reports and interviews with military and civilian officials - suggests that faulty communications among agencies, delays in some key actions and weaknesses in military preparedness all figured in the way the disaster unfolded. Many of the questions center on two phases of the crisis that involved Flight 77:

About 8:55 a.m. Flight 77 was flying west over southern Ohio when it abruptly turned and headed back toward Washington. At this time, the Federal Aviation Administration already had notified the military that two other airliners, the ones that struck the World Trade Center, apparently had been hijacked and had veered from their expected courses.

But the FAA temporarily lost track of Flight 77, after the terrorists turned off its transponder, and about 29 minutes went by before the FAA alerted the military to the new threat from the airliner, which was carrying Al-Midhar, Al-Hamzi and three other hijackers. No attempt was made to evacuate the Pentagon before the plane struck it. The crash killed 125 people in the Pentagon and all 64 people on the plane.

Twice during the crisis, the military launched fighter jets that raced toward the hijacked planes. Two F-15 fighters raced toward New York City; two F-16s sped toward Washington.

But the number of air bases where fighter planes are kept on alert has dwindled sharply in recent years, one of the generals who runs the system told Newsday. And on Sept. 11, they no longer included any bases close to two obvious terrorist targets - Washington, D.C., and New York City.

So the military had to use planes from air bases considerable distances away from the two cities. The fighters dispatched to New York came from Otis Air National Guard Base on Cape Cod, Mass., 153 miles from the World Trade Center.

When the second tower of the World Trade Center was struck by a hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175, at 9:02 a.m., the planes from Cape Cod were still 71 miles away, about eight minutes behind the terrorists.

The fighter jets launched toward Washington took off not from Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles from the capital, but from Langley Air Force Base near Hampton, Va., 130 miles from Washington. When Flight 77 smashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m., those fighters were still 105 miles from the scene.

At that point, the fourth hijacked plane, United Airlines Flight 93, also had turned around on its way to San Francisco and headed toward Washington. It crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:03 a.m. after passengers reportedly fought with hijackers.

Vice President Dick Cheney has disclosed that President George W. Bush authorized military jets to shoot down "as a last resort" a hijacked airliner, apparently Flight 93, that was heading for Washington. Officials said later that the decision wasn't made until after Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

These are some of the questions about the government's handling of the crisis and the circumstances surrounding them:

Did critical information get from the FAA to the military quickly enough? The record suggests that teenagers on instant-message networks communicate faster than some federal officials did during the crisis. After losing track of Flight 77 for about 10 minutes, the FAA rediscovered the plane heading east over West Virginia, then took about 19 more minutes to alert the military. When Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, the fighter jets from Langley were 12 minutes away, the military says.

Should terrorists be able to shut off an airliner's transponders? That's what happened on Flight 77. Transponders send out a signal giving a plane's position and identity. The simple action of turning them off appears to have given the Flight 77 terrorists about 10 minutes of valuable invisibility as they sped toward Washington. Although officials say transponders need an on-off switch for fire-safety reasons, one aviation expert told Newsday that a simple modification could alert air traffic controllers whenever a specific transponder is shut off. That would alert them that there might be a problem and give them a better chance to continue tracking the plane with radar, he said.

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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:37 schreef Nightwulf het volgende:
Feit: vliegtuig neemt een aanloopje, vliegt het pentagon binnen, mooi klein rond gaatje, eerste ring no problem, 2e ring ook doorheen, 3e ring naar buiten, weer een mooi klein rond gaatje. Dan vol op de rem want de 4e ring is onbeschadigd.
3 ringen zijn zes muren van zo'n 25 cm dik, wellicht nog 2 dwarse muren als je de plaatjes bekijkt.
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/

Om die laatste muur te doorboren moet er volgens mij toch nog aardig wat "vliegtuig" of massa over zijn.
de volgende muur van ring 4 is intact, dan moet er op het binnenplaatsje tussen ring 3 en 4 toch een gigantische berg vliegtuig liggen??

Wie kan proberen te verklaren waarom dit niet zo is???

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One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. The other engine flew into an elevator shaft and landed on an elevator car. The car began to plummet, slowed somewhat by emergency safety devices. Miraculously, when help arrived at the remains of the elevator car in the basement, the two women inside the car were still alive.

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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 22:49 schreef Nightwulf het volgende:
klein rond gaatje is wat overdreven, maar als je hier kijkt is er welliswaar schade te zien, maar het GAT vind ik klein als je bedenkt dat er een 757 is binnengevlogen

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The Department of Defense will today release a videotape showing American Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, RAW STORY has learned

The group Judicial Watch originally filed a Freedom of Information Act request in December, 2004, seeking all records pertaining to September 11, 2001 camera recordings of the Pentagon attack from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Department of Defense admitted in a January 26, 2005 letter that it possessed a videotape responsive to Judicial Watch’s request, but the Pentagon refused to release it at the time.

"Now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over," explained William Kammer, Chief of the Department of Defense, Office of Freedom of Information, "we are able to complete your request and provide the video."

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton in a relase. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

The video is due for release by the Pentagon at 1:00 PM EST today. A copy of it will be made available on Judicial Watch’s Internet site, www.judicialwatch.org. RAW STORY requests for the time it will be made available by the group were not immediately returned.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 19:52 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

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Einde verhaal voor de conspiracy mafketels dus.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 19:52 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

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http://www.rawstory.com/n(...)_attack_to_0516.html

Einde verhaal voor de conspiracy mafketels dus.

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Op woensdag 17 mei 2006 19:07 schreef Pakspul het volgende:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

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Op woensdag 17 mei 2006 19:22 schreef APK het volgende:

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Merci.

Helaas worden we daar ook niet veel wijzer van.

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Op dinsdag 21 maart 2006 22:05 schreef natte-flamoes het volgende:
FEIT:
Osama bin Laden verklaart achter de 9/11 aanslagen te zitten:
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http://www.portal.telegra(...)001/11/11/wbin11.xml

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Op donderdag 18 mei 2006 03:42 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Duh, de Bushes hebben contacten met de Bin Ladens.
Gaat er nog steeds geen bel rinkelen, oogklepachtig schaapje ?

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Op vrijdag 19 mei 2006 09:37 schreef ..-._---_-.- het volgende:

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Volgens mij is de framerate zo laag dat je er helemaal niets over kan zeggen. Het moment dat het vliegtuig volledig in beeld zou moeten zijn ontbreekt gewoon, ook al doordat er teveel niet gefilmde tijd tussen twee frames zit.