[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #799 Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:41 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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De directe bron, het document zelf, staar onderaan de post. Pak die er dan maar bij als de bron je niet aan staat.

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:51 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:
Wat klopt er niet aan de inhoud ? Als jullie kunnen aantonen dat de inhoud niet correct is haal ik het weg laat ik enkel het officiële document staan. Echter is de inhoud gewoon correct en de bron staat niet aangemerkt als questionable of borderline questionable.

@:Belabor

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John Solomon serves as the Editor-in-Chief. Solomon was formerly a journalist with The Hill, leaving the paper in October 2019. Solomon’s reporting has been described as conspiratorial and pro-Trump.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 00:00 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Dit staat er over John Solomon:
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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 00:02 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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De auteur van het artikel is Sharyl Attkisson. Maar niks te klagen over de inhoud dus ?

@:Belabor

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:33 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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Welke specifieke quotes doel je op ?

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 00:02 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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De auteur van het artikel is Sharyl Attkisson. Maar niks te klagen over de inhoud dus ?

@:Belabor welke quotes kon je niet terug vinden in het document ? Of te vroeg geroepen ?

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 00:07 schreef Belabor het volgende:

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Okay, gaan we dan:

A. Er word beweerd dat alle opmerkingen persoonlijk door Peter Strzok geplaatst zijn bij het artikel. Het document noemt nergens specifiek een enkele auteur, dus die conclusie kan je niet trekken.

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B. De titel van het Just the News artikel begint al met dat er "massive errors" in het artikel zitten. De opmerkingen van de FBI geven kanttekeningen over details, maar geven maar op een paar punten aan dat het verslag feitelijk onjuist is.

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De introductie zou misleidend zijn. Roger Stone zou niet onderzocht zijn door de FBI, waar gesteld was dat dat wel zo is. Prima, dat zou dan onjuist zijn. Maar daar houd het dan op.

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Daarnaast schreef de NYT dat de FBI "banking records" zou hebben, een de comment daarop is dat ze geen "detailed" banking records hebben. Dus ze zijn er wel, maar niet gedetailleerd blijkbaar?

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Verder zijn het bijna enkel opmerkingen dat de FBI ergens niet van op de hoogte is, maar er is nergens die de NYT beweerd dat hun bron bij de FBI werkt, die zijn namelijk anoniem gebleven. Geen onjuistheden, dus, maar alleen een bewering die de persoon die de comments geplaatst heeft niet kan bevestigen nog ontkennen. Het zou kunnen dat de NSA, CIA of CID we wel informatie over hebben die de FBI op het moment van plaatsen van de comments niet in bezit had.

Dus de kern van het bericht word niet ontkracht, de details worden er uit gepikt en uitvergroot als "massive errors".

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C. Het artikel staat nog steeds, met twee kleine rectificaties, op de website van de NYT. Als dit zulke "massive errors" zouden zijn, dan was het artikel onlangs opnieuw gerectificeerd of zelfs verwijderd.

Blijkbaar blijven de bronnen die de NYT geraadpleegd hebben dus achter hun gegeven informatie staan, en is de informatie gestaafd door derde bronnen.

Nog steeds staat de naam van Roger Stone in het lijstje van mensen dat onderzocht zou zijn door de FBI. Dat zou smaad zijn, dat is behoorlijk strafbaar in de VS. Maar het staat er nog steeds. Dat moet iets zeggen over de betrouwbaarheid van die informatie, blijkbaar.

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:51 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:
Wat klopt er niet aan de inhoud ? Als jullie kunnen aantonen dat de inhoud niet correct is haal ik het weg laat ik enkel het officiële document staan. Echter is de inhoud gewoon correct en de bron staat niet aangemerkt als questionable of borderline questionable.

@:Belabor

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 00:47 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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De opmerkingen zijn ook van Strzok.

"Secondly, the comments of Peter Strzok regarding the February 14 New York Times article are devastating in that they are an admission that there was no reliable evidence that anyone from the Trump Campaign was working with Russian Intelligence Agencies in any form."

"The second document contains Peter Strzok’s type-written comments disagreeing with assertions made in a New York Times article about alleged Russian intelligence ties to the Trump campaign"
https://www.judiciary.sen(...)r-page-fisa-warrants

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Massive is subjectief in deze lijkt me. Maar er zitten feitelijke onjuistheden in. Eigenlijk val je dus over 1 enkel woord (massive)?

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De kern en titel van het verhaal van de NYT was "Trump campaign aides had repeated contact with Russian intelligence"

Strzok zegt hierover "This statement is misleading and inaccurate as written. We have not seen evidence of any individuals in contact with Russians (both Governmental and non-Governmental)" and "There is no known intel affiliation, and little if any [government of Russia] affiliation[.] FBI investigation has shown past contact between [Trump campaign volunteer Carter] Page and the SVR [Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation], but not during his association with the Trump campaign."

Lijkt me dat kern van het artikel aardig ontkracht is.

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Lijkt me dat er nog wel wat rectificaties aankomen dan.

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Mr. Strzok’s annotations disputed the article’s premise and other aspects. He wrote, “We are unaware of ANY Trump advisers engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence officials.”

Still, he also added, the bureau had identified contacts between Mr. Page and Russian intelligence officials before the campaign; contacts between an associate of Paul Manafort, the onetime campaign chairman, and Russian intelligence; and contacts between two campaign advisers, Jeff Sessions and Michael T. Flynn, and Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

Eileen Murphy, a Times spokeswoman, said, “We stand by our reporting.”

Bron

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:52 schreef AnneX het volgende:
[ twitter ]
“Law and Order”

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“Friend,” the fundraising email purportedly from Trump said, “I just saw our new Trump-Reagan Commemorative Coin Sets and WOW, these coins are beautiful - I took one look and immediately knew that I wanted YOU to have a set. These aren’t any ordinary coins. They symbolize an important time in our Nation. This year, in addition to being re-elected as YOUR President, it also marks the 40th anniversary of our Nation’s 40th President, Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, we already sold out of the first batch we had in stock. But I liked these coins so much that I asked my team to rush order another batch for my TOP SUPPORTERS ONLY.”

It cautioned: “I’ve authorized a very limited production of these iconic coins, which is why I’m ONLY offering them to our top supporters, like YOU. This offer is NOT available to the general public, so please, do NOT share this email with anyone.”

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 13:19 schreef Ulx het volgende:

‘It’s Bleak’: Trump’s Great American Comeback Is a Dumpster Fire

Aardige analyse van Trump's gefaalde poging het tij te keren.

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 23:51 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:
Wat klopt er niet aan de inhoud ? Als jullie kunnen aantonen dat de inhoud niet correct is haal ik het weg laat ik enkel het officiële document staan. Echter is de inhoud gewoon correct en de bron staat niet aangemerkt als questionable of borderline questionable.

@:Belabor

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 10:34 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Die rectificatie komt er niet. De NYT heeft vorige week namelijk al een artikel gepubliceerd naar aanleiding van de openbaarmaking van de commentaren van Strzok.
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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 20:42 schreef speknek het volgende:
Florida’s top Republicans support sending kids back to school. But what about their own kids and grandkids?
https://www.tampabay.com/(...)-kids-and-grandkids/

In een gevalletje, je raadt het noooit, zeggen de Florida GOP leden Rubio, de Santis en Scott dat kinderen absoluut weer naar school moeten, maar gaan toevalligerwijs hun eigen (klein)kinderen volgend jaar niet naar school. Do as we say peasants, don't do as we do.

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Statement of U.S. Attorney Brian T. Moran

“I want to be very clear regarding the role of federal agents summoned to Seattle. They are here to protect federal properties and the important work that occurs in our courthouses and federal buildings. These are the places where federal judges decide cases and controversies, including those filed by protestors against the City, where social security benefits are processed, citizenship is made possible, and where the rights of the accused are protected.

Last weekend, the Nakamura Federal Courthouse was broken into, a smoke bomb and an American flag were burned, and the building was tagged with graffiti inside and out. These actions were not peaceful protests that my office and the Constitution works to protect. The Nakamura building bears the name of Seattle native Private First Class William Kenzo Nakamura. Before joining the U.S. Army in 1942, Nakamura and his Japanese American family were sent to an incarceration camp. He died in action near Castellina, Italy on July 4th, 1944, while protecting his platoon from withering machine gun fire. Private Nakamura was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, our nation’s highest award for heroism. The people who attacked this building, a building where wrongs are righted and disputes are settled according to the rule of law, are not protesting anything; they seek only to disrupt and destroy, and through their acts, they dishonor Private Nakamura’s memory and his extraordinary sacrifice for his country.

I and my colleagues are reaching out to community leaders with one message: Let’s not let the violence that has marred the Portland protests damage peaceful movements here for a more just society. These federal agents will join our usual law enforcement staff to safeguard our federal buildings. My hope is our community will speak with one voice to discourage those who seek to hijack peaceful protests with damage and destruction. “

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Op zondag 26 juli 2020 23:01 schreef viagraap het volgende:
Was hier al vermeld dat die federale troepen van Blackwater gehuurd zijn?

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 00:08 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Als je land in de greep is van een virus dan zet je de beste mensen in. Labradoodle fokkers bijvoorbeeld:
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Het echte probleem staat in de laatste alinea, natuurlijk, 4000 man worden vervangen door politieke benoemingen en die van de Trump regering blinken uit in het vinkje in de box "Ongeschikt" maar sowieso, iedere 4 tot 8 jaar 4000 leidende ambtenaren vervangen is godvergeten dom, natuurlijk.

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 00:13 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Dat is uiteraard een deep state samenzwering om Trump in een kwaad daglicht te stellen

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The EU has built 1,000km of border walls since fall of Berlin Wall

European Union states have built over 1,000km of border walls since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, a new study into Fortress Europe has found.

Migration researchers have quantified the continent’s anti-immigrant infrastructure and found that the EU has gone from just two walls in the 1990s to 15 by 2017.

Ten out of 28 member states stretching from Spain to Latvia have now built such border walls, with a sharp increase during the 2015 migration panic, when seven new barriers were erected.

Despite celebrations this year that the Berlin Wall had now been down for longer than it was ever up, Europe has now completed the equivalent length of six Berlin walls during the same period. The barriers are mostly focused on keeping out undocumented migrants and would-be refugees.

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 01:08 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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Toch is het vreemd dat de meeste mensen in de EU wel bekend zijn met muur van Trump maar niet met de honderden km aan muren die EU lidstaten bouwen om illegale immigranten buiten te houden.
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https://www.independent.c(...)rs-a8624706.html?amp

Of de 800km lange muur op de grens van Turkije - Syrië
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_barrier

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Op zaterdag 25 juli 2020 20:10 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Welja gewoon een bron openbaar met alle gevolgen vandien

[ twitter ]

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 01:45 schreef Tweek het volgende:

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Turkije is geen onderdeel van de Europese Uni, geen idee waarom je daar over begint.

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EU Money Helped Fortify Turkey's Border

Turkey has barricaded its border to Syria with the help of funding from the European Union. There are few options left for Syrians trying to flee the brutal war in their home country and those who do risk death.

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As a European Union member, the German government is also implicated in the arming of the Turkish border against refugees. The EU states have provided the government in Ankara with security and surveillance technology valued at more than 80 million euros in exchange for the protection of its borders, according to research conducted by DER SPIEGEL and the European Investigative Collaborations network (EIC).

This included the transfer of 35.6 million euros by Brussels to the Turkish company Otokar as part of its IPA regional development program for the construction of armored Cobra II military vehicles, which are now being used to patrol the border to Syria.

Arms manufacturer Aselsan, of which the Turkish state owns a majority stake, was also commissioned by the EU to provide Ankara with 30 million euros worth of armored and non-armored surveillance vehicles for patrolling the Turkish-Greek land border.

In March 2016, the EU and Ankara closed a deal under which the Europeans would pay 3 billion euros to Turkey if the country kept the refugees inside its borders. The money was intended to help the Syrians in Turkey, but 18 million euros went to a Dutch company that manufactured six patrol boats for the Turkish coast guard.

The border to Turkey had remained open to Syrians until summer 2015. Some 3.5 million Syrians came to Turkey as refugees, more than any other country. Since then, Ankara has closed the Syrians' escape route, partly due to pressure from the EU. Anyone still seeking to escape the war in Syria must now either be prepared to pay a lot of money or to risk their lives.

Ultimately, the EU's refugee agreement with Turkey has merely served to shift the crisis: Fewer people are dying now in the Aegean, where the number of boat crossings to Greece has decreased since the signing of the agreement. Instead, people are now dying at the Turkish-Syrian border.

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 02:22 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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Die muur staat niet in de EU maar er gaat wel een hoop EU geld naar Turkije om die muur te versterken en de vluchtelingenstroom via Turkije tegen te gaan.
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https://www.spiegel.de/in(...)r-a-1199667-amp.html

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 00:10 schreef AnneX het volgende:
[ twitter ]

...and the walls came tumbling down...built with tax dollars...by a real estate con man...

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 01:17 schreef Kansenjongere het volgende:

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Is er een reden dat je nog steeds niet inhoudelijk hebt gereageerd op
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Collaborative open source reporting is incredible. If you find the right people online they will tell you a story hours, days, weeks, or even years before the mainstream media will deliver it to you. By the time it does get to you it has been filtered and spun to suit whatever agenda and narrative they are pursuing at the time. This is the story of how the primary sub source was uncovered with no traditional journalist being involved.

It starts shortly after the summary is released. The primary work is done on twitter. Semi-Casual Observer (@CasualSemi) posts a critical bit of information. Based on the length of the redaction we know that the name is 14 characters long. This starts the ball rolling.

Using the length of the redactions we can then deduce many other details about the PSS (primary sub source's) biography. There are redactions for a lot of different details like place of birth and where he went to school. We know already it is a he by the way as the summary does not use he/she. Blackjack then posts a summary of all the critical details in the bio of the PSS. A very useful summary that was obtained by the work of a lot of different twitter accounts.



The entire twitter thread is here. Be sure to follow those that added information as they are brilliant online researchers.

So now we have a list of details we can use to find this person. Lots of names are thrown out but none of them are the right person based on details in the biography included in the summary.

To find the primary sub source we are going to have to expand the list of names to search beyond the common ones associated with Steele and Orbis Intelligence.

One of the more interesting things about the primary sub source that was revealed in the release of the summary of the interviews is that the sub source seemed rather young. The timing of his university and first work experiences did not match someone with a long career. Overall my impression was that this person was not a serious super spy or someone with lengthy experience. The next place to look in order to expand the list of possible names is to one of the great bits of analysis in the entire spygate affair. Yaacov Apelbaum's "The Mechanics of Deception" post on his blog.

Here we find a remarkable look at the connections between many of the players in the manufacture of the greatest hoax in recent times. Of particular interest are some of the younger people connected to Orbis. There are three younger people connected to Orbis Intelligence that stand out. Chris Utechin, Keiran Porter, and Alex Buckland. These three are all connected in some way to Steele's organization and have joined together more recently to form their own intelligence company. Elisius Intelligence, according to their website, features these three partnered together to fulfill intelligence requirements from companies around the globe. It was very tempting to want to force one of these three into the bibliographical details as the connection to Steele is so clear however none of them are truly a match to the details presented in the interview.

However, they do lead us to the person we are seeking. Kieran Porter has a twitter account. He follows and is followed by lots of people. One in particular caught my eye.

The initial thing that caught my attention was that his name matched the redacted characters. A four character first name with a nine character last name. That is certainly pretty thin evidence however it is a start. Fortunately his twitter account was open and public so I was able to look through his timeline. The twitter posts match the profile. This person is taking trips to Moscow, Ukraine, and mostly London. The trips coincide quite well to critical dates in the dossier creation. Lots of interest is shown for topics that are eventually covered in the dossier as well. It's a good sign but not enough.

Next I find some basic information about his schooling. We know from the interview he went to high school in various locations and the character length of his university (in the United States). We also know he comes from a four letter town in a five letter redacted city. Here is a brilliant observation from the Semi-Casual (but pretty sharp!) user on twitter:


Without this I would have given up. However this person went to school in Perm and then to a University in the US that fit the redacted character length. This is starting to look like a match.

Not enough to be sure but enough to keep searching. There is one other distinctive clue. The primary sub source was involved in a program affiliated with the Library of Congress. It doesn't take much to identify that as the Openworld program which is an exchange program for students concentrated in the countries of the former Soviet Union. Would this person match? Well at first I couldn't get a solid and complete match. The best I could find was involvement in the FLEX program which seems similar.

Here is a link to his senior thesis from University of Louisville.

So the primary sub source is Igor Danchenko

Looks like he took a trip to Ukraine in April 2016



In London on October 11, 2016



Russia in August 2016



Trip to New York as Crossfire Hurricane opens



June 3, 2016 off to Moscow and London

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Mr. Danchenko’s identity is noteworthy because it further calls into question the credibility of the dossier. By turning to Mr. Danchenko as his primary source to gather possible dirt on Mr. Trump involving Russia, Mr. Steele was relying not on someone with a history of working with Russian intelligence operatives or bringing to light their covert activities but instead a researcher focused on analyzing business and political risks in Russia.

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By Jan. 13, 2017, the F.B.I. had identified Mr. Danchenko, who soon agreed to answer investigators’ questions in exchange for immunity.

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The F.B.I. told a court it found Mr. Danchenko “truthful and cooperative,” according to the report by the Justice Department inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, although a supervisory F.B.I. intelligence analyst said Mr. Danchenko may have minimized aspects of what he told Mr. Steele.

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The Steele dossier was deeply flawed. For example, it included a claim that Mr. Trump’s former lawyer Michael D. Cohen had met with a Russian intelligence officer in Prague to discuss collusion with the campaign. The report by the special counsel who took over the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, found that Mr. Cohen never traveled to Prague.

And Mr. Danchenko’s statements to the F.B.I. contradicted parts of the dossier, suggesting that Mr. Steele may have exaggerated the soundness of other allegations, making what Mr. Danchenko portrayed as rumor and speculation sound more solid.

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 03:58 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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Tja dat is nogal gek hoe dat tot stand gekomen is natuurlijk. Wel interessant om daar wat dieper in te duiken hoe dat kon gebeuren.

-knip

Echt een ongelooflijk sterk staaltje open source research dit hoor.

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Ik sta 100% achter het vrijgeven van het document gezien de relevantie ervan in het Steele dossier verhaal. Echter denk ik wel dat je je af kunt vragen of de redactions voldoende waren.

-knip-

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 04:26 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Helemaal niet interessant hoe ze erachter zijn gekomen en of jij het een sterk staaltje vindt. Waar denk je dat Russische inlichtingendiensten mee bezig zijn? Daarom wordt er juist zo voorzichtig omgegaan met het vrijgeven van documenten.
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Die waren dus niet voldoende en het Steele dossier is helemaal niet dermate relevant in het groter geheel dat de naam van een bron daarmee bekend wordt. Het is weer een sterk staaltje van onverantwoordelijk gedrag van Barr/Graham e.a. met als enig doel alsnog twijfel te zaaien over de rechtmatigheid van het Rusland/ Trump onderzoek in een verkiezingsjaar.

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Op maandag 27 juli 2020 04:38 schreef Sjemmert het volgende:

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Het zal relevant zijn voor een ieder die nog betrokken waren of getekend hebben voor het verlengen van de FISA applicaties voor Carter Page wetende dat het Steele dossier rotzooi was lijkt mij.