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Florida’s top Republicans support sending kids back to school. But what about their own kids and grandkids?
https://www.tampabay.com/(...)-kids-and-grandkids/

In een gevalletje, je raadt het noooit, zeggen de Florida GOP leden Rubio, de Santis en Scott dat kinderen absoluut weer naar school moeten, maar gaan toevalligerwijs hun eigen (klein)kinderen volgend jaar niet naar school. Do as we say peasants, don't do as we do.
They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
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Florida’s top Republicans support sending kids back to school. But what about their own kids and grandkids?
https://www.tampabay.com/(...)-kids-and-grandkids/

In een gevalletje, je raadt het noooit, zeggen de Florida GOP leden Rubio, de Santis en Scott dat kinderen absoluut weer naar school moeten, maar gaan toevalligerwijs hun eigen (klein)kinderen volgend jaar niet naar school. Do as we say peasants, don't do as we do.
Ook: de school van de president’s kid gaat online in september.
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Lol. Geen tijd.
En wel weer eens een weekend golfen.
En een leeg honkbalstadium in augustus.

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Statement van chief federal law enforcement officer in Western Washington Brian T. Moran over de inzet van federal agents in Seattle.

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Statement of U.S. Attorney Brian T. Moran

“I want to be very clear regarding the role of federal agents summoned to Seattle. They are here to protect federal properties and the important work that occurs in our courthouses and federal buildings. These are the places where federal judges decide cases and controversies, including those filed by protestors against the City, where social security benefits are processed, citizenship is made possible, and where the rights of the accused are protected.

Last weekend, the Nakamura Federal Courthouse was broken into, a smoke bomb and an American flag were burned, and the building was tagged with graffiti inside and out. These actions were not peaceful protests that my office and the Constitution works to protect. The Nakamura building bears the name of Seattle native Private First Class William Kenzo Nakamura. Before joining the U.S. Army in 1942, Nakamura and his Japanese American family were sent to an incarceration camp. He died in action near Castellina, Italy on July 4th, 1944, while protecting his platoon from withering machine gun fire. Private Nakamura was posthumously awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, our nation’s highest award for heroism. The people who attacked this building, a building where wrongs are righted and disputes are settled according to the rule of law, are not protesting anything; they seek only to disrupt and destroy, and through their acts, they dishonor Private Nakamura’s memory and his extraordinary sacrifice for his country.

I and my colleagues are reaching out to community leaders with one message: Let’s not let the violence that has marred the Portland protests damage peaceful movements here for a more just society. These federal agents will join our usual law enforcement staff to safeguard our federal buildings. My hope is our community will speak with one voice to discourage those who seek to hijack peaceful protests with damage and destruction. “
https://www.justice.gov/u(...)torney-brian-t-moran
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Was hier al vermeld dat die federale troepen van Blackwater gehuurd zijn?
What Would Goku Do
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Was hier al vermeld dat die federale troepen van Blackwater gehuurd zijn?
De broer van Betsy de Vos...
  Moderator zondag 26 juli 2020 @ 23:58:14 #82
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Was hier al vermeld dat die federale troepen van Blackwater gehuurd zijn?
Huurlingen dus die in Irak een flinke stapel oorlogsmisdaden op hun naam hebben.

Gaat fantastisch daar.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  Moderator maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 00:08:44 #83
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Als je land in de greep is van een virus dan zet je de beste mensen in. Labradoodle fokkers bijvoorbeeld:

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EARLY ON in the coronavirus pandemic, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar assigned a top aide to run the day-to-day U.S. response. The aide’s occupation before his ascension to his prominent post? Labradoodle breeder.

That is only one of the absurd and alarming examples of unqualified or otherwise dangerous political appointees carrying out critical duties in the Trump administration — and the worst part is, the public isn’t even aware of many of them. The United States government employs some 4,000 political appointees, more than any other industrialized democracy.

https://www.washingtonpos(...)1b28d9093_story.html
Het echte probleem staat in de laatste alinea, natuurlijk, 4000 man worden vervangen door politieke benoemingen en die van de Trump regering blinken uit in het vinkje in de box "Ongeschikt" maar sowieso, iedere 4 tot 8 jaar 4000 leidende ambtenaren vervangen is godvergeten dom, natuurlijk.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  Redactie Frontpage / Sport maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 00:09:26 #84
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Trumps muur waait omver.

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  Moderator / Redactie FP + Sport maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 00:10:10 #85
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Als je land in de greep is van een virus dan zet je de beste mensen in. Labradoodle fokkers bijvoorbeeld:
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Het echte probleem staat in de laatste alinea, natuurlijk, 4000 man worden vervangen door politieke benoemingen en die van de Trump regering blinken uit in het vinkje in de box "Ongeschikt" maar sowieso, iedere 4 tot 8 jaar 4000 leidende ambtenaren vervangen is godvergeten dom, natuurlijk.
Klopt dat is onwerkbaar. Maar natuurlijk niet de schuld van Trump. Maar het systeem.
Trots daw veur Twente bint!
We zijn gehaat en asociaal
We zijn de allermooiste club van allemaal
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...and the walls came tumbling down...built with tax dollars...by a real estate con man...
  Moderator maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 00:12:49 #87
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Klopt dat is onwerkbaar. Maar natuurlijk niet de schuld van Trump. Maar het systeem.
Trump kun je de incompetentie verwijten, niet het systeem, inderdaad.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  Moderator maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 00:13:25 #88
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...and the walls came tumbling down...built with tax dollars...by a real estate con man...

Dat is uiteraard een deep state samenzwering om Trump in een kwaad daglicht te stellen ;)
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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Dat is uiteraard een deep state samenzwering om Trump in een kwaad daglicht te stellen ;)
Toch is het vreemd dat de meeste mensen in de EU wel bekend zijn met muur van Trump maar niet met de honderden km aan muren die EU lidstaten bouwen om illegale immigranten buiten te houden.

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The EU has built 1,000km of border walls since fall of Berlin Wall

European Union states have built over 1,000km of border walls since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, a new study into Fortress Europe has found.

Migration researchers have quantified the continent’s anti-immigrant infrastructure and found that the EU has gone from just two walls in the 1990s to 15 by 2017.

Ten out of 28 member states stretching from Spain to Latvia have now built such border walls, with a sharp increase during the 2015 migration panic, when seven new barriers were erected.

Despite celebrations this year that the Berlin Wall had now been down for longer than it was ever up, Europe has now completed the equivalent length of six Berlin walls during the same period. The barriers are mostly focused on keeping out undocumented migrants and would-be refugees.
https://www.independent.c(...)rs-a8624706.html?amp

Of de 800km lange muur op de grens van Turkije - Syri
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_barrier

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Toch is het vreemd dat de meeste mensen in de EU wel bekend zijn met muur van Trump maar niet met de honderden km aan muren die EU lidstaten bouwen om illegale immigranten buiten te houden.
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https://www.independent.c(...)rs-a8624706.html?amp

Of de 800km lange muur op de grens van Turkije - Syri
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_barrier

Is er een reden dat je nog steeds niet inhoudelijk hebt gereageerd op
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Welja gewoon een bron openbaar met alle gevolgen vandien :')

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Turkije is geen onderdeel van de Europese Uni, geen idee waarom je daar over begint.
Die muur staat niet in de EU maar er gaat wel een hoop EU geld naar Turkije om die muur te versterken en de vluchtelingenstroom via Turkije tegen te gaan.

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EU Money Helped Fortify Turkey's Border

Turkey has barricaded its border to Syria with the help of funding from the European Union. There are few options left for Syrians trying to flee the brutal war in their home country and those who do risk death.

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As a European Union member, the German government is also implicated in the arming of the Turkish border against refugees. The EU states have provided the government in Ankara with security and surveillance technology valued at more than 80 million euros in exchange for the protection of its borders, according to research conducted by DER SPIEGEL and the European Investigative Collaborations network (EIC).

This included the transfer of 35.6 million euros by Brussels to the Turkish company Otokar as part of its IPA regional development program for the construction of armored Cobra II military vehicles, which are now being used to patrol the border to Syria.

Arms manufacturer Aselsan, of which the Turkish state owns a majority stake, was also commissioned by the EU to provide Ankara with 30 million euros worth of armored and non-armored surveillance vehicles for patrolling the Turkish-Greek land border.

In March 2016, the EU and Ankara closed a deal under which the Europeans would pay 3 billion euros to Turkey if the country kept the refugees inside its borders. The money was intended to help the Syrians in Turkey, but 18 million euros went to a Dutch company that manufactured six patrol boats for the Turkish coast guard.

The border to Turkey had remained open to Syrians until summer 2015. Some 3.5 million Syrians came to Turkey as refugees, more than any other country. Since then, Ankara has closed the Syrians' escape route, partly due to pressure from the EU. Anyone still seeking to escape the war in Syria must now either be prepared to pay a lot of money or to risk their lives.

Ultimately, the EU's refugee agreement with Turkey has merely served to shift the crisis: Fewer people are dying now in the Aegean, where the number of boat crossings to Greece has decreased since the signing of the agreement. Instead, people are now dying at the Turkish-Syrian border.
https://www.spiegel.de/in(...)r-a-1199667-amp.html
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Die muur staat niet in de EU maar er gaat wel een hoop EU geld naar Turkije om die muur te versterken en de vluchtelingenstroom via Turkije tegen te gaan.
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https://www.spiegel.de/in(...)r-a-1199667-amp.html
De cover van Der Spiegel deze week:

“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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...and the walls came tumbling down...built with tax dollars...by a real estate con man...

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Is er een reden dat je nog steeds niet inhoudelijk hebt gereageerd op
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Tja dat is nogal gek hoe dat tot stand gekomen is natuurlijk. Wel interessant om daar wat dieper in te duiken hoe dat kon gebeuren.

Collaborative open source reporting is incredible. If you find the right people online they will tell you a story hours, days, weeks, or even years before the mainstream media will deliver it to you. By the time it does get to you it has been filtered and spun to suit whatever agenda and narrative they are pursuing at the time. This is the story of how the primary sub source was uncovered with no traditional journalist being involved.

It starts shortly after the summary is released. The primary work is done on twitter. Semi-Casual Observer (@CasualSemi) posts a critical bit of information. Based on the length of the redaction we know that the name is 14 characters long. This starts the ball rolling.

Using the length of the redactions we can then deduce many other details about the PSS (primary sub source's) biography. There are redactions for a lot of different details like place of birth and where he went to school. We know already it is a he by the way as the summary does not use he/she. Blackjack then posts a summary of all the critical details in the bio of the PSS. A very useful summary that was obtained by the work of a lot of different twitter accounts.



The entire twitter thread is here. Be sure to follow those that added information as they are brilliant online researchers.

So now we have a list of details we can use to find this person. Lots of names are thrown out but none of them are the right person based on details in the biography included in the summary.

To find the primary sub source we are going to have to expand the list of names to search beyond the common ones associated with Steele and Orbis Intelligence.

One of the more interesting things about the primary sub source that was revealed in the release of the summary of the interviews is that the sub source seemed rather young. The timing of his university and first work experiences did not match someone with a long career. Overall my impression was that this person was not a serious super spy or someone with lengthy experience. The next place to look in order to expand the list of possible names is to one of the great bits of analysis in the entire spygate affair. Yaacov Apelbaum's "The Mechanics of Deception" post on his blog.

Here we find a remarkable look at the connections between many of the players in the manufacture of the greatest hoax in recent times. Of particular interest are some of the younger people connected to Orbis. There are three younger people connected to Orbis Intelligence that stand out. Chris Utechin, Keiran Porter, and Alex Buckland. These three are all connected in some way to Steele's organization and have joined together more recently to form their own intelligence company. Elisius Intelligence, according to their website, features these three partnered together to fulfill intelligence requirements from companies around the globe. It was very tempting to want to force one of these three into the bibliographical details as the connection to Steele is so clear however none of them are truly a match to the details presented in the interview.

However, they do lead us to the person we are seeking. Kieran Porter has a twitter account. He follows and is followed by lots of people. One in particular caught my eye.

The initial thing that caught my attention was that his name matched the redacted characters. A four character first name with a nine character last name. That is certainly pretty thin evidence however it is a start. Fortunately his twitter account was open and public so I was able to look through his timeline. The twitter posts match the profile. This person is taking trips to Moscow, Ukraine, and mostly London. The trips coincide quite well to critical dates in the dossier creation. Lots of interest is shown for topics that are eventually covered in the dossier as well. It's a good sign but not enough.

Next I find some basic information about his schooling. We know from the interview he went to high school in various locations and the character length of his university (in the United States). We also know he comes from a four letter town in a five letter redacted city. Here is a brilliant observation from the Semi-Casual (but pretty sharp!) user on twitter:


Without this I would have given up. However this person went to school in Perm and then to a University in the US that fit the redacted character length. This is starting to look like a match.

Not enough to be sure but enough to keep searching. There is one other distinctive clue. The primary sub source was involved in a program affiliated with the Library of Congress. It doesn't take much to identify that as the Openworld program which is an exchange program for students concentrated in the countries of the former Soviet Union. Would this person match? Well at first I couldn't get a solid and complete match. The best I could find was involvement in the FLEX program which seems similar.

Here is a link to his senior thesis from University of Louisville.

So the primary sub source is Igor Danchenko

Looks like he took a trip to Ukraine in April 2016



In London on October 11, 2016



Russia in August 2016



Trip to New York as Crossfire Hurricane opens



June 3, 2016 off to Moscow and London




https://ifoundthepss.blogspot.com/2020/07/


Echt een ongelooflijk sterk staaltje open source research dit hoor.

Ik sta 100% achter het vrijgeven van het document gezien de relevantie ervan in het Steele dossier verhaal. Echter denk ik wel dat je je af kunt vragen of de redactions voldoende waren.

Wat betreft het stuk van de NYT zou ik vooral deze stukken eruit willen lichten;

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Mr. Danchenko’s identity is noteworthy because it further calls into question the credibility of the dossier. By turning to Mr. Danchenko as his primary source to gather possible dirt on Mr. Trump involving Russia, Mr. Steele was relying not on someone with a history of working with Russian intelligence operatives or bringing to light their covert activities but instead a researcher focused on analyzing business and political risks in Russia.

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By Jan. 13, 2017, the F.B.I. had identified Mr. Danchenko, who soon agreed to answer investigators’ questions in exchange for immunity.

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The F.B.I. told a court it found Mr. Danchenko “truthful and cooperative,” according to the report by the Justice Department inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, although a supervisory F.B.I. intelligence analyst said Mr. Danchenko may have minimized aspects of what he told Mr. Steele.

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The Steele dossier was deeply flawed. For example, it included a claim that Mr. Trump’s former lawyer Michael D. Cohen had met with a Russian intelligence officer in Prague to discuss collusion with the campaign. The report by the special counsel who took over the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, found that Mr. Cohen never traveled to Prague.

And Mr. Danchenko’s statements to the F.B.I. contradicted parts of the dossier, suggesting that Mr. Steele may have exaggerated the soundness of other allegations, making what Mr. Danchenko portrayed as rumor and speculation sound more solid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)ps://t.co/OeiBOPJww5
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Tja dat is nogal gek hoe dat tot stand gekomen is natuurlijk. Wel interessant om daar wat dieper in te duiken hoe dat kon gebeuren.

-knip

Echt een ongelooflijk sterk staaltje open source research dit hoor.

Helemaal niet interessant hoe ze erachter zijn gekomen en of jij het een sterk staaltje vindt. Waar denk je dat Russische inlichtingendiensten mee bezig zijn? Daarom wordt er juist zo voorzichtig omgegaan met het vrijgeven van documenten.

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Ik sta 100% achter het vrijgeven van het document gezien de relevantie ervan in het Steele dossier verhaal. Echter denk ik wel dat je je af kunt vragen of de redactions voldoende waren.

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Die waren dus niet voldoende en het Steele dossier is helemaal niet dermate relevant in het groter geheel dat de naam van een bron daarmee bekend wordt. Het is weer een sterk staaltje van onverantwoordelijk gedrag van Barr/Graham e.a. met als enig doel alsnog twijfel te zaaien over de rechtmatigheid van het Rusland/ Trump onderzoek in een verkiezingsjaar.

En dat terwijl Barr alle onderzoeken naar Trump en vriendjes stopgezet/ beinvloed heeft omdat het een verkiezingsjaar is :')

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Helemaal niet interessant hoe ze erachter zijn gekomen en of jij het een sterk staaltje vindt. Waar denk je dat Russische inlichtingendiensten mee bezig zijn? Daarom wordt er juist zo voorzichtig omgegaan met het vrijgeven van documenten.
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Die waren dus niet voldoende en het Steele dossier is helemaal niet dermate relevant in het groter geheel dat de naam van een bron daarmee bekend wordt. Het is weer een sterk staaltje van onverantwoordelijk gedrag van Barr/Graham e.a. met als enig doel alsnog twijfel te zaaien over de rechtmatigheid van het Rusland/ Trump onderzoek in een verkiezingsjaar.
Het zal relevant zijn voor een ieder die nog betrokken waren of getekend hebben voor het verlengen van de FISA applicaties voor Carter Page wetende dat het Steele dossier rotzooi was lijkt mij.
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Het zal relevant zijn voor een ieder die nog betrokken waren of getekend hebben voor het verlengen van de FISA applicaties voor Carter Page wetende dat het Steele dossier rotzooi was lijkt mij.
Dat het Steele dossier niet geverifieerd is toch helemaal niks nieuws? Daar zijn altijd vraagtekens bij gezet. Ook het verlengen van de FISA-aanvragen van Carter Page (waarbij fouten gemaakt zijn) doet niks af aan het feit dat er grond was voor een onderzoek naar leden van de Trump campagne mbt Rusland. Waarom denk je dat Barr en Trump Roger Stone strafvermindering willden geven? Dat alle verdere onderzoeken naar Trump gedwarsboomd worden? Dat we nooit meer wat gehoord hebben van het onderzoek naar het lekken van Clinton emails door Giuliani naar Fox News in de aanloop naar de verkiezingen van 2016? Dat Manafort medewerking weigerde? Dat Flynn .... etc etc.

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Rectificatie. Excuse me.
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1 t/m 5, dat noemen we toch gewoon Twitter?
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  Overall beste user 2022 maandag 27 juli 2020 @ 09:41:37 #100
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Rectificatie. Excuse me.
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