Deze bruine baas weet: "black lives matter" is bullshit

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I will lose many friends over what I'm about to say.

I will possibly be called a racist or even a white supremacist (even though I'm a brown man, who's been beaten to a pulp by neo-Nazis wearing steel toed boots).

But maybe, just maybe, the fact that I am getting 100% of
my information from the black scholars in the picture - The Great Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury, Shelby Steele, John McWorther, Coleman Hughes, Kmele Foster and Thomas Chatterton Williams, allows me some room for thought?

I’ve been watching the narrative play universally over
the heinous killing of George Floyd, and the complete and utter lack of facts about African Americans in The US has been infuriating.

Unfortunately, anyone who doesn’t submit to the dominant narrative will be called a heretic, a racist, a whites supremacist etc.
Still, I can’t stop myself.

1. Black Lives Matter don’t care about black people. Want evidence? Name me a single time - just once - when they’ve protested against black people being killed by other black people? Whether in America or elsewhere?
Why is this relevant?
Because the biggest cause of death for black men aged 15-45 in USA is... other black men. Compare to white people, where it’s traffic accidents for the younger portion and heart attacks for those over 35.
Or how about the black lives in Sudan, East Timor, Libya?
Why do we only ever hear from BLM when it’s a white person killing a black person?

2. Speaking of which - imagine if white people started doing the reverse. Imagine every time a white person was killed by a black person, there’d be protests, riots, looting and
social media campaigns. First thing to notice is that it would be more frequent, because African Americans kill more white people in the US than white people kill African Americans. Now what?
Should we really start applying the race card every time there’s a murder involving more than one pigmentation? Where will it end?

3. Police killings. The video of the murder of George Floyd is so visceral, by showing the casual evil with which officer Derek Chauvin kills
George Floyd. People are rightly outraged, and no one can honestly defend the officer, who rightly has been arrested and hopefully will spend his remaining years behind bars (although the prosecutor has been idiotic in moving the case from 2nd degree to first degree murder -
a burden of proof they will most likely fail to provide).

But... The only reason people are up in arms about these is that the social media and MSM attention focuses disproportionately on these incidents when the victim is black and the officer isn't. Don't believe me?
Let me prove it:
You've all heard of Tamir Rice - a 12 year old black boy who was murdered when brandishing a toy gun. It was all over the news, there were riots and marches, hashtags and universal condemnation all over the media.
But how many of you have heard of Daniel Shaver?
A white man who was showing his friends a scoped air rife used to exterminate birds who entered his store, and was killed for this?

You may remember the case of Sam DuBose, a black man who was shot dead for driving his car away from from the police.
The exact same thing happened to before that to Andrew Thomas, a white man driving away from the police. None of you have heard of him.

Alton Sterling was a black man shot dead by the police when reaching into his pocket for his wallet - a travesty.
The same thing happened to a white guy named Dylan Noble. Sterling made national headlines, none of us heard a word about Noble. Loren Simpson was a white teenager who was shot dead by the police in eerily similar circumstances as George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin.
You've not heard of the former, but demanded justice for the latter. You've not heard of James Boyd, Alfred Redwine, Brandon Stanley or Mary Hawkes.

But you've heard of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
Because the only times police killings make the news is when the victim is black and the officer isn't.

Here are the FBI, NCJRS and BJS statistics:

For every 10, 000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed by the police.
For every 10, 000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed by the police.

In 2019, 49 unarmed people were killed by the police. 9 were black. 19 were white.
The likelihood for a black person being shot by the police is as high as being struck by lightning.
Yet, we are seeing riots, every single post on Instagram and Twitter is in support of Black Lives Matter and denunciation of police in America...

4. "Systemic Racism" / "Institutionalised racism".

Sound good, don't they? Such powerful words...
and completely inaccurate. First, let's see what the claims being made are:

Both insinuate built-in racism within various official institutions (police, law, governments etc).
Yet, when they are challenged, by asking the proponents to provide *evidence* for these, nothing is provided. Name one single law that is targeting exclusively black people. Just one. There isn't one.
If the police is "systematically" anti-black, explain how it is possible that 20% of the Police Force in America is black (African Americans in America constitute roughly 14% of the population, meaning that blacks are *overrepresented* within the police force!)?
Now, imagine how incredibly racist it is to say that the 100, 000 plus black police officers are too stupid to know that they are working inside and within a racist institution? That really is racism. And none of them have come out and said anything???
None of them have gone on 60 Minutes and said "We are being trained to be racists"? Seriously?

How about governments? Well, let's leave aside the fact that America just had a two-term black president (whose second name was Hussein, by the way).
Some of America's worst run cities have black mayors, black governors and majority black councils. Look at two of the worst cities in America to be black in:
Baltimore and Chicago. Why is it that a place where the people in power are black can be *worse* for the African American
Community, than cities that aren't run by black politicians? This is a knock-down argument.

5. Disparity.

People often look at the economic disparities between blacks and whites, and claim it to be evidence for institutionalised racism. It says something about the power of a
narrative, when it has been debunked decades ago - by BLACK ECONOMISTS (like The Great Thomas Sowell) - yet the myth persists.

First of all, at no point in human history has any two groups of people had the same level of wealth or income as each other.
It would be an absolute miracle to expect that people with different backgrounds, cultures, histories, values and ethics to have the same level of wealth.

This is even true within so called races - compare for example Black Americans (generational) vs Black Immigrants...
particularly the ones from West Indies (Jamaica, Barbados etc.).

You couldn't tell these people apart, just by looking at them, and whatever racism is in place for one group must by definition be applied for the second group.
But what they have is completely different values and work ethics (the Jamaicans arriving in the US does so commonly to achieve greater heights than what he or she can in their home country).
Whatever level of systemic racism exists, they are subjected to it as much as the African American.

Yet, already in the 1970's (!!!), when racism was far more prevalent than it is today, Black Americans from the West Indies were earning 58% more than the Black American whose
generations go back centuries in the United States. How could that be, if there's supposed to be such a thing as "systemic racism"?

Disparities are only proof of disparities. Just because Group X doesn't have the same as Group Y, doesn't mean that it's explained by racism.
And why does this so called "White Supremacy" only run against one group of Black Americans? Why doesn't it run against Asian Americans, who out earn White Americans by over 60%? Why doesn't it apply to Jewish Americans? Or Indian Americans, all of whom earn more than...
White Americans??

Maybe there's something else going on...?

In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan published his report "The Negro Family: The Case For National Action", where he saw that African American households were 25% single mothers - a frightening statistic that would have
devastating consequences. Since then, Jim Crow laws and Red Lining have all been removed from the books, Martin Luther King Jr. and The Civil Rights Movement made tremendous strides and we've now even had a black two-term president.

But, today, black households with no paternal
figure, and only a single mother constitute SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of all black households in America!!! SEVENTY FIVE!!!!

Now you tell me, which is the better explanation for young black children ending up in a life of crime - the lack of a father figure, or the mythical,
non-explainable entity known only as "institutional racism", which for some reasons doesn't apply to Nigerian immigrants, to black immigrants from West Indies, to Indian people, to Jewish people, to Asian Americans...?

6. Criminality.
"Why are blacks being disproportionately imprisoned? There's a racist Prison Industry Complex!"

The key word here is "disproportionately". Because it most certainly is true that African Americans make out the majority of prisoners in America, but what is the evidence that
this is disproportionate? It's non-existent.

Let's look at the stats:

Black Americans constitute roughly 14% of the population in America, yet they commit 50% of all the murders. But, this is misleading - because it's not the elderly, nor the children nor the women who commit
the murders. It's almost exclusively the young men (15-40). That constitutes about a fourth of the black population, which means that about 3.5% of the American population are responsible for 50% of all the murders!

Read this again: 3.5% of Americans are responsible for 50% of
all murders.

You will find similar astonishing figures for drug related crimes, armed robberies, breaking and entering and gang violence.

So, even though it is true that black people make up the majority of the prison population, the incarceration rates are only proportionate
against the crime rate, not the population.

7. History of slavery, Jim Crow and Red Lining

"Well, that maybe so, but it's because of the history of slavery and Jim Crow!"

I don't doubt the good intentions of those making these arguments, but they don't actually see how it is
a classic case of Racism of lower expectations.

No one has been able to provide a logical link between historical racism and the plight of people today.

First of all, what's unique about racism in America (and Britain, for that matter) is that these countries abolished slavery
when they did! They were among the first countries in the world to do so, and America even fought a bloody civil war to implement the 13th Amendment. Almost every country in the world practiced slavery, and there are many - particularly in Subsaharan Africa - who still do to this
day.

And it most certainly is true that racism didn't end with slavery, and evil practices such as Jim Crow, segregation and Red Lining were practiced until the 70's. But - and here is the most astonishing fact of all - African American's had *more* wealth and less unemployment
during those times than today, when such practices have been abolished and are rightly considered moral evils.

Now, before anyone makes the nonsensical claim that "You're saying we should oppress them then, because they had it better!?", let me explain that correlation does not
mean causation. But just as facts don't care about feelings, reality won't comply with narrative.

8. "America is a White Supremacist society!"

This is one of the most egregious claims out there. First of all, compared to what? Show me a country where blacks are a minority, but
still get to be elected presidents, have more than 50 Mayors, congressmen and women, run city councils and have had multiple presidential candidates. Show me one.

America (and Britain) are two of the least racist societies on earth and in history. For god's sake, look at the
response from the murder of George Floyd! Just look at the outpouring of support for black people, the universal condemnation of racism from exactly all corners of the political spectrum, the complete solidarity from every white person with a social media account.
9. "Black Lives Matter"

This is a big one. Because I don't know of many organisations who care less about black lives than Black Lives Matter. 93% of all killings of black people are done by other blacks - BLM are completely silent on this.
BLM has never - not a single time - had a march or campaign black people being killed en massé in places like Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia or Libya.

Instead, what they have done is to have chants like "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" (about the police), which inspired a
lunatic in Dallas to murder 3 police officers.

During the current riots, a 77 year old, black former Police Captain - David Dorn - was murdered by rioters. BLM has not said a word.

BLM reject Martin Luther King Jr.'s sentiment that people should
"...be judged based on the content of their character, not the colour of their skin". If you've actually listened to the "I have a dream" speech, that line is the one which got the loudest cheers and applauses.
BLM believe people who aspire to apply this principle of colour blindness are racists.

Conclusion:

I can go on and on. I've provided my sources below, and I can point to the works of economists and criminologists and historians for further data.
But I don't it will matter - the narrative is too strong, and people are too emotionally invested. Facts don't stand a chance.

People are so keen to use the tragic murder of George Floyd to wave their anti-racism badges and flags. It makes them feel good.
Black friends of mine, who are incredibly successful in their fields, are talking about how they've been victims all their lives, even though they are some of the luckiest people who have ever lived, regardless of race.

All I ask of you, if you're reading this
(and I doubt many will, certainly not to the end) is to ask yourself "What if what Amir is saying is true?"

That's all I can hope for.

Broeder_Jacob	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 13:51
	Zeer sterke uiteenzetting hoe dat BLM fenomeen volkomen is doorgeslagen: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268898468766134279.html Oorspronkelijke tweet hier maar op twitter zelf is zo'n thread erg verrot om te lezen. Ik vind het zelf een erg goed stuk. Geen emotionele drogredenen, helder uiteengezet, sterke en duidelijke inhoudelijke argumenten. Het legt voor mij de vinger op de zere plek hoe het voor mensen die de mond vol hebben van "black lives matter" in werkelijkheid vaak zeer arbitrair is welke black lives nou er eigenlijk wel of niet toe doen. Waar ik vooral benieuwd naar ben: wat vinden BLM-aanhangers hier nou van? Heeft deze meneer een punt, of zien jullie het anders? En eerlijk gezegd vraag ik me ook af of zijn woorden meer of minder serieus genomen waren als hij blank was geweest. In elk geval vind ik het positief dat zijn relaas nu niet kan worden weggewoven met: ja ja racist bigot, white supremacist, enzovoort. Als er inhoudelijke tegenargumenten zijn ben ik erg benieuwd. Voor wie het graag hier leest zal ik hier copy/pasten, maar om niet gelijk iedereens beeld te vullen met een wall of text zet ik er ff een spoiler tag omheen: SPOILER THREAD I will lose many friends over what I'm about to say. I will possibly be called a racist or even a white supremacist (even though I'm a brown man, who's been beaten to a pulp by neo-Nazis wearing steel toed boots). But maybe, just maybe, the fact that I am getting 100% of my information from the black scholars in the picture - The Great Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury, Shelby Steele, John McWorther, Coleman Hughes, Kmele Foster and Thomas Chatterton Williams, allows me some room for thought? I’ve been watching the narrative play universally over the heinous killing of George Floyd, and the complete and utter lack of facts about African Americans in The US has been infuriating. Unfortunately, anyone who doesn’t submit to the dominant narrative will be called a heretic, a racist, a whites supremacist etc. Still, I can’t stop myself. 1. Black Lives Matter don’t care about black people. Want evidence? Name me a single time - just once - when they’ve protested against black people being killed by other black people? Whether in America or elsewhere? Why is this relevant? Because the biggest cause of death for black men aged 15-45 in USA is... other black men. Compare to white people, where it’s traffic accidents for the younger portion and heart attacks for those over 35. Or how about the black lives in Sudan, East Timor, Libya? Why do we only ever hear from BLM when it’s a white person killing a black person? 2. Speaking of which - imagine if white people started doing the reverse. Imagine every time a white person was killed by a black person, there’d be protests, riots, looting and social media campaigns. First thing to notice is that it would be more frequent, because African Americans kill more white people in the US than white people kill African Americans. Now what? Should we really start applying the race card every time there’s a murder involving more than one pigmentation? Where will it end? 3. Police killings. The video of the murder of George Floyd is so visceral, by showing the casual evil with which officer Derek Chauvin kills George Floyd. People are rightly outraged, and no one can honestly defend the officer, who rightly has been arrested and hopefully will spend his remaining years behind bars (although the prosecutor has been idiotic in moving the case from 2nd degree to first degree murder - a burden of proof they will most likely fail to provide). But... The only reason people are up in arms about these is that the social media and MSM attention focuses disproportionately on these incidents when the victim is black and the officer isn't. Don't believe me? Let me prove it: You've all heard of Tamir Rice - a 12 year old black boy who was murdered when brandishing a toy gun. It was all over the news, there were riots and marches, hashtags and universal condemnation all over the media. But how many of you have heard of Daniel Shaver? A white man who was showing his friends a scoped air rife used to exterminate birds who entered his store, and was killed for this? You may remember the case of Sam DuBose, a black man who was shot dead for driving his car away from from the police. The exact same thing happened to before that to Andrew Thomas, a white man driving away from the police. None of you have heard of him. Alton Sterling was a black man shot dead by the police when reaching into his pocket for his wallet - a travesty. The same thing happened to a white guy named Dylan Noble. Sterling made national headlines, none of us heard a word about Noble. Loren Simpson was a white teenager who was shot dead by the police in eerily similar circumstances as George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. You've not heard of the former, but demanded justice for the latter. You've not heard of James Boyd, Alfred Redwine, Brandon Stanley or Mary Hawkes. But you've heard of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. Because the only times police killings make the news is when the victim is black and the officer isn't. Here are the FBI, NCJRS and BJS statistics: For every 10, 000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed by the police. For every 10, 000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed by the police. In 2019, 49 unarmed people were killed by the police. 9 were black. 19 were white. The likelihood for a black person being shot by the police is as high as being struck by lightning. Yet, we are seeing riots, every single post on Instagram and Twitter is in support of Black Lives Matter and denunciation of police in America... 4. "Systemic Racism" / "Institutionalised racism". Sound good, don't they? Such powerful words... and completely inaccurate. First, let's see what the claims being made are: Both insinuate built-in racism within various official institutions (police, law, governments etc). Yet, when they are challenged, by asking the proponents to provide evidence for these, nothing is provided. Name one single law that is targeting exclusively black people. Just one. There isn't one. If the police is "systematically" anti-black, explain how it is possible that 20% of the Police Force in America is black (African Americans in America constitute roughly 14% of the population, meaning that blacks are overrepresented within the police force!)? Now, imagine how incredibly racist it is to say that the 100, 000 plus black police officers are too stupid to know that they are working inside and within a racist institution? That really is racism. And none of them have come out and said anything??? None of them have gone on 60 Minutes and said "We are being trained to be racists"? Seriously? How about governments? Well, let's leave aside the fact that America just had a two-term black president (whose second name was Hussein, by the way). Some of America's worst run cities have black mayors, black governors and majority black councils. Look at two of the worst cities in America to be black in: Baltimore and Chicago. Why is it that a place where the people in power are black can be worse for the African American Community, than cities that aren't run by black politicians? This is a knock-down argument. 5. Disparity. People often look at the economic disparities between blacks and whites, and claim it to be evidence for institutionalised racism. It says something about the power of a narrative, when it has been debunked decades ago - by BLACK ECONOMISTS (like The Great Thomas Sowell) - yet the myth persists. First of all, at no point in human history has any two groups of people had the same level of wealth or income as each other. It would be an absolute miracle to expect that people with different backgrounds, cultures, histories, values and ethics to have the same level of wealth. This is even true within so called races - compare for example Black Americans (generational) vs Black Immigrants... particularly the ones from West Indies (Jamaica, Barbados etc.). You couldn't tell these people apart, just by looking at them, and whatever racism is in place for one group must by definition be applied for the second group. But what they have is completely different values and work ethics (the Jamaicans arriving in the US does so commonly to achieve greater heights than what he or she can in their home country). Whatever level of systemic racism exists, they are subjected to it as much as the African American. Yet, already in the 1970's (!!!), when racism was far more prevalent than it is today, Black Americans from the West Indies were earning 58% more than the Black American whose generations go back centuries in the United States. How could that be, if there's supposed to be such a thing as "systemic racism"? Disparities are only proof of disparities. Just because Group X doesn't have the same as Group Y, doesn't mean that it's explained by racism. And why does this so called "White Supremacy" only run against one group of Black Americans? Why doesn't it run against Asian Americans, who out earn White Americans by over 60%? Why doesn't it apply to Jewish Americans? Or Indian Americans, all of whom earn more than... White Americans?? Maybe there's something else going on...? In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan published his report "The Negro Family: The Case For National Action", where he saw that African American households were 25% single mothers - a frightening statistic that would have devastating consequences. Since then, Jim Crow laws and Red Lining have all been removed from the books, Martin Luther King Jr. and The Civil Rights Movement made tremendous strides and we've now even had a black two-term president. But, today, black households with no paternal figure, and only a single mother constitute SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of all black households in America!!! SEVENTY FIVE!!!! Now you tell me, which is the better explanation for young black children ending up in a life of crime - the lack of a father figure, or the mythical, non-explainable entity known only as "institutional racism", which for some reasons doesn't apply to Nigerian immigrants, to black immigrants from West Indies, to Indian people, to Jewish people, to Asian Americans...? 6. Criminality. "Why are blacks being disproportionately imprisoned? There's a racist Prison Industry Complex!" The key word here is "disproportionately". Because it most certainly is true that African Americans make out the majority of prisoners in America, but what is the evidence that this is disproportionate? It's non-existent. Let's look at the stats: Black Americans constitute roughly 14% of the population in America, yet they commit 50% of all the murders. But, this is misleading - because it's not the elderly, nor the children nor the women who commit the murders. It's almost exclusively the young men (15-40). That constitutes about a fourth of the black population, which means that about 3.5% of the American population are responsible for 50% of all the murders! Read this again: 3.5% of Americans are responsible for 50% of all murders. You will find similar astonishing figures for drug related crimes, armed robberies, breaking and entering and gang violence. So, even though it is true that black people make up the majority of the prison population, the incarceration rates are only proportionate against the crime rate, not the population. 7. History of slavery, Jim Crow and Red Lining "Well, that maybe so, but it's because of the history of slavery and Jim Crow!" I don't doubt the good intentions of those making these arguments, but they don't actually see how it is a classic case of Racism of lower expectations. No one has been able to provide a logical link between historical racism and the plight of people today. First of all, what's unique about racism in America (and Britain, for that matter) is that these countries abolished slavery when they did! They were among the first countries in the world to do so, and America even fought a bloody civil war to implement the 13th Amendment. Almost every country in the world practiced slavery, and there are many - particularly in Subsaharan Africa - who still do to this day. And it most certainly is true that racism didn't end with slavery, and evil practices such as Jim Crow, segregation and Red Lining were practiced until the 70's. But - and here is the most astonishing fact of all - African American's had more wealth and less unemployment during those times than today, when such practices have been abolished and are rightly considered moral evils. Now, before anyone makes the nonsensical claim that "You're saying we should oppress them then, because they had it better!?", let me explain that correlation does not mean causation. But just as facts don't care about feelings, reality won't comply with narrative. 8. "America is a White Supremacist society!" This is one of the most egregious claims out there. First of all, compared to what? Show me a country where blacks are a minority, but still get to be elected presidents, have more than 50 Mayors, congressmen and women, run city councils and have had multiple presidential candidates. Show me one. America (and Britain) are two of the least racist societies on earth and in history. For god's sake, look at the response from the murder of George Floyd! Just look at the outpouring of support for black people, the universal condemnation of racism from exactly all corners of the political spectrum, the complete solidarity from every white person with a social media account. 9. "Black Lives Matter" This is a big one. Because I don't know of many organisations who care less about black lives than Black Lives Matter. 93% of all killings of black people are done by other blacks - BLM are completely silent on this. BLM has never - not a single time - had a march or campaign black people being killed en massé in places like Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia or Libya. Instead, what they have done is to have chants like "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" (about the police), which inspired a lunatic in Dallas to murder 3 police officers. During the current riots, a 77 year old, black former Police Captain - David Dorn - was murdered by rioters. BLM has not said a word. BLM reject Martin Luther King Jr.'s sentiment that people should "...be judged based on the content of their character, not the colour of their skin". If you've actually listened to the "I have a dream" speech, that line is the one which got the loudest cheers and applauses. BLM believe people who aspire to apply this principle of colour blindness are racists. Conclusion: I can go on and on. I've provided my sources below, and I can point to the works of economists and criminologists and historians for further data. But I don't it will matter - the narrative is too strong, and people are too emotionally invested. Facts don't stand a chance. People are so keen to use the tragic murder of George Floyd to wave their anti-racism badges and flags. It makes them feel good. Black friends of mine, who are incredibly successful in their fields, are talking about how they've been victims all their lives, even though they are some of the luckiest people who have ever lived, regardless of race. All I ask of you, if you're reading this (and I doubt many will, certainly not to the end) is to ask yourself "What if what Amir is saying is true?" That's all I can hope for. Wie het te veel tekst vindt (het is echt een goed verhaal) kun je ook alleen de eerste paar alinea's lezen, daarin staat de essentie ook al. En voor wie helemaal niet van lezen houdt, hier nog een video van iemand met een vergelijkbare boodschap: Ex Gang Member speaks " When do Black Live Matters?"
devlinmr	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:03
	Denk dat hij de spijker op de kop slaat voor het grootste gedeelte. Wat niet wegneemt dat racisme gewoon bestaat en geadresseerd moet worden
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:03
	Slecht geïnformeerd, en meneer lijkt het concept "institutioneel racisme" niet te begrijpen. Zijn hele betoog lijkt gebaseerd te zijn op het gegeven dat criminaliteit vaker voorkomt onder de zwarte bevolking, en dat het dan ook logisch is om vaker in aanraking te komen met de politie. Welnu, ook als je daarvoor corrigeert dan zijn zwarten onevenredig vaak het slachtoffer van politiegeweld. Ook verklaart dat niet waarom zwarten voor dezelfde misdragingen structureel zwaarder gestraft worden, minder kans op clementie hebben, moorden op zwarte mensen minder vaak opgelost worden en dat er bij de zaken die wel opgelost worden consequent lagere straffen worden geëist en opgelegd, etc, etc, etc. Structureel (en) institutioneel racisme binnen het justitieel apparaat in de VS volgt uit talloze onafhankelijke wetenschappelijke onderzoeken van gerenommeerde universiteiten. Beweren dat institutioneel racisme niet bestaat, is niks anders dan wegkijken. [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Isdatzo op 07-06-2020 14:10:48 ]
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:05
	Verder zijn institutioneel racisme binnen het justitieel apparaat en gigantische sociaal-economische verschillen (en dus criminaliteit) twee zijden van dezelfde medaille. Namelijk: de jarenlange geschiedenis van onderdrukking en achterstelling. Dat de onderklasse zo zwak is (en dat geldt voor zowel blank als zwart, alleen wordt die laatste groep nog wat harder tegengewerkt), is nog deels een resultaat van tijdperk van Jim Crow. Een periode wanneer racisme heel normaal was, en dat is de periode waarin veel systemen in de VS vorm kregen, waaronder misschien wel het meest exemplarische systeem in dit geval: het justitiële systeem. Laat het nu zo zijn dat in deze periode een belangrijke functie (zo niet: dé belangrijkste functie) van dat justitieel systeem het onderdrukken van de zwarte bevolking was. Dan is het natuurlijk niet heel verrassend dat een deel van die perverse neigingen heden ten dage nog steeds aanwezig zijn.
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:07
	Dus concluderend: er zijn gigantisch veel mensen volkomen terecht ernstig ontevreden over de situatie waarin zij zich bevinden, en dat kan je die mensen niet volledig zelf aanrekenen.
devlinmr	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:07
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:03 schreef Isdatzo het volgende: Slecht geïnformeerd, en meneer lijkt het concept "institutioneel racisme" niet te begrijpen. Zijn hele betoog lijkt gebaseerd te zijn op het gegeven dat criminaliteit vaker voorkomt onder de zwarte bevolking, en dat het dan ook logisch is om vaker in aanraking te komen met de politie. Welnu, ook als je daarvoor corrigeert dan zijn zwarten onevenredig vaak het slachtoffer van politiegeweld. Ook verklaart dat niet waarom zwarten voor dezelfde misdragingen structureel zwaarder gestraft worden, minder kans op clementie hebben, moorden op zwarte mensen minder vaak opgelost worden en dat er bij de zaken die wel opgelost worden consequent lagere straffen worden geëist en opgelegd, etc, etc, etc. Structureel (en) institutioneel racisme binnen het justitieel apparaat in de VS is inmiddels in talloze onafhankelijke wetenschappelijke onderzoeken van gerenommeerde universiteiten aangetoond. Beweren dat institutioneel racisme niet bestaat, is niks anders dan wegkijken. Neemt niet weg dat hij de hypocrisie van BLM bloot legt
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:08
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:07 schreef devlinmr het volgende: [..] Neemt niet weg dat hij de hypocrisie van BLM bloot legt Namelijk?
devlinmr	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:11
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:08 schreef Isdatzo het volgende: [..] Namelijk? Wel protesteren en rellen als er een persoon van kleur wordt gedood door de politie, maar niet als het een blanke betreft en dat ze hun bek houden over alle moorden die er onderling plaatsvinden. Daarbij als blm, bundel dan je krachten om je eigen gemeenschap te helpen ipv in de slachtofferrol te kruipen. [ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door devlinmr op 07-06-2020 14:16:54 ]
Megumi	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:12
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:07 schreef devlinmr het volgende: [..] Neemt niet weg dat hij de hypocrisie van BLM bloot legt Ik zie het meer dat bijvoorbeeld bestuurders en politici links en rechts hun kop in het zand steken en pas pas wat doen als mensen zaken in de fik steken bijvoorbeeld. Maar dat is mijn mening.
devlinmr	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:14
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:12 schreef Megumi het volgende: [..] Ik zie het meer dat bijvoorbeeld bestuurders en politici links en rechts hun kop in het zand steken en pas pas wat doen als mensen zaken in de fik steken bijvoorbeeld. Maar dat is mijn mening. Veel dingen kan de zwarte gemeenschap zelf doen zonder te rellen. Nogmaals, racisme bestaat en is zeker in de USA een groot issue, maar dat ontslaat je niet van je eigen verantwoordelijkheid. Iets wat in de USA voorop staat ( eigen verantwoordelijkheid dus) Daarnaast zou het de USA government sieren als ze meer zouden investeren in de achterstandswijken. Scholen, huizen, infra, is echt om te huilen daar [ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door devlinmr op 07-06-2020 14:19:11 ]
Nismo91	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:15
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:11 schreef devlinmr het volgende: [..] Wel protesteren en rellen als er een persoon van kleur wordt gedood door de politie, maar niet als het een blanke betreft en dat ze hun bek houden over alle moorden die er onderling plaatsvinden. Daarbij als blm, bundel dan je krachten om je eigen gemeenschap te helpen ipv in de slachtoffer rol te kruipen. Dit ja. Ik schreef vorige week een reactie met dezelfde tekst en onderbouwing, kreeg toch een shitload over mij heen pfoe
roos94	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:15
	Er is ook in de black community veel haat voor lhbt. Stel dat George Floyd een openlijke gay man was en bekend in de dragscene. Denk je echt dat deze hoeveelheid protesten voor hem zouden worden gehouden? Nooit.
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:16
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:11 schreef devlinmr het volgende: [..] Wel protesteren en rellen als er een persoon van kleur wordt gedood door de politie, maar niet als het een blanke betreft en dat ze hun bek houden over alle moorden die er onderling plaatsvinden Ik ben het met je eens dat je niet eerst je buurman (of iemand anders) kan vermoorden om vervolgens de straat op te gaan om te demonstreren tegen geweld. Neemt niet weg dat de gigantische onvrede gewoon gelegitimeerd is. Weet je wat het ook is? Dit speelt al vele jaren, en men wordt gewoonweg niet gehoord. Niemand praat het vernielen en plunderen goed, maar je moet toegeven dat het een logisch gevolg is van het structureel negeren van de problemen die er spelen.
Isdatzo	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:16
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:15 schreef roos94 het volgende: Er is ook in de black community veel haat voor lhbt. Stel dat George Floyd een openlijke gay man was en bekend in de dragscene. Denk je echt dat deze hoeveelheid protesten voor hem zouden worden gehouden? Nooit. Je punt zijnde dat...?
sp3c	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:17
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:15 schreef roos94 het volgende: Er is ook in de black community veel haat voor lhbt. Stel dat George Floyd een openlijke gay man was en bekend in de dragscene. Denk je echt dat deze hoeveelheid protesten voor hem zouden worden gehouden? Nooit. denk het eigenlijk wel
epicbeardman	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:17
	Van die witten hier die het beter denken te weten dan zwarten.
Megumi	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:18
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:14 schreef devlinmr het volgende: [..] Veel dingen kan de zwarte gemeenschap zelf doen zonder te rellen In de VS ben je met een zwarte huidskleur een idioot als je in de buurt van de politie komt. Leg mij dan maar uit wat je daar aan kan doen. Wel denk ik dat dit in Nederland minder speelt. Maar wat ik al met de kop in het zand bedoel er is in Nederland wel degelijk racisme.
roos94	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:18
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:16 schreef Isdatzo het volgende: [..] Je punt zijnde dat...? Dat mensen extreem hypocriet zijn. Ja we ondersteunen de black community maar wel onder onze voorwaarden. Als hij gay is krijg je niet de aandacht. Dus je moet zwart zijn en hetero. Het liefst ook met kleine kinderen zodat die overal getoond kunnen worden met trieste teksten ernaast. Doet het goed voor de likes.
Grems	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:18
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:05 schreef Isdatzo het volgende: Verder zijn institutioneel racisme binnen het justitieel apparaat en gigantische sociaal-economische verschillen (en dus criminaliteit) twee zijden van dezelfde medaille. Namelijk: de jarenlange geschiedenis van onderdrukking en achterstelling. Dat de onderklasse zo zwak is (en dat geldt voor zowel blank als zwart, alleen wordt die laatste groep nog wat harder tegengewerkt), is nog deels een resultaat van tijdperk van Jim Crow. Een periode wanneer racisme heel normaal was, en dat is de periode waarin veel systemen in de VS vorm kregen, waaronder misschien wel het meest exemplarische systeem in dit geval: het justitiële systeem. Laat het nu zo zijn dat in deze periode een belangrijke functie (zo niet: dé belangrijkste functie) van dat justitieel systeem het onderdrukken van de zwarte bevolking was. Dan is het natuurlijk niet heel verrassend dat een deel van die perverse neigingen heden ten dage nog steeds aanwezig zijn. "According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than Whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher." https://www.statista.com/(...)y-us-police-by-race/ Meer blanken dan zwarten terwijl zwarten veel vaker geweldsdelicten plegen? In mijn racistische Amerikkka? https://www.chron.com/new(...)-the-U-S-1600808.php "Although they make up a tiny portion of the U.S. population, a whopping 17 percent of all Nigerians in this country held master's degrees while 4 percent had a doctorate, according to the 2006 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. In addition, 37 percent had bachelor's degrees. In comparison To put those numbers in perspective, 8 percent of the white population in the U.S. had master's degrees, according to the Census survey. And 1 percent held doctorates. About 19 percent of white residents had bachelor's degrees. Asians come closer to the Nigerians with 12 percent holding master's degrees and 3 percent having doctorates." Toch beter hun best doen, met dat onderdrukken. https://theweek.com/articles/452321/appalachia-big-white-ghetto "He does not deny the severity or scope of the region's problems, but he does think that they are exaggerated by visitors who are here, after all, only because Owsley holds the national title for poorest county. Owsley's dependent underclass has many of the same problems as any other dependent underclass, but with a poverty rate persistently at the 40 percent mark, the underclass plays an outsized role in local life." "There's not much violent crime here. There's a bit of the usual enterprise one finds everywhere there are drugs and poor people, which is to say, everywhere. But even the crime here is pretty well predictable. The police chief's assistant notes that if they know the nature and location of a particular crime, they can more or less drive straight to the perpetrator. There's a great deal of drug use, welfare fraud, and the like, but the overall crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two thirds the national average, and the rate of violent crime is half the national average." "If the people here weren't 98.5 percent white, we'd call it a reservation."
Megumi	zondag 7 juni 2020 @ 14:21
	quote: Op zondag 7 juni 2020 14:18 schreef roos94 het volgende: [..] Dat mensen extreem hypocriet zijn. Ja we ondersteunen de black community maar wel onder onze voorwaarden. Als hij gay is krijg je niet de aandacht. Dus je moet zwart zijn en hetero. Het liefst ook met kleine kinderen zodat die overal getoond kunnen worden met trieste teksten ernaast. Doet het goed voor de likes. Dat is jou mening racisme en discriminatie is altijd fout los om wie het gaat.