Crisis in Oekra�ne #63 Rusland is een tankstation.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:04 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
Ik zal je in ieder geval zeggen waarom ze geen korting meer krijgen, omdat het beetje levensstandaard dat er was in Ukra�ne naar de vaantjes helpt, wat destabilisatie in de hand werkt, wat Rusland vervolgens in de kaart speelt.

Natuurlijk wat Meth zegt, je gebruikt handels voor (of nadelen) natuurlijk altijd als 'sturingsmechanisme' maar het komt Rusland wel goed uit. Als ze echt het beste met Ukra�ne voor zouden hebben zouden ze die korting in ieder geval in stand laten tot se zaak wat gestabiliseerd is.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:07 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Rusland heeft natuurlijk niet het beste voor met Oekra�ne net als de VS en EU dat ook niet hebben.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:08 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Wij geven ze miljarden en rusland zit met de gasprijs te kutten. Wie heeft dan het beste voor met Oekraine?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:08 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
De NAVO breekt ook beloften: ze beloofde niet verder te gaan dan Duitsland met uitbreiden in het oosten.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:09 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Wij geven ze miljarden omdat ze lid worden van de EU. Net als Rusland ze miljarden wil geven als ze lid worden van de Euroaziatische Unie. Geen verschil dus.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:09 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Wij geven ze miljarden omdat ze lid worden van de EU. Net als Rusland ze miljarden wil geven als ze lid worden van de Euroaziatische Unie. Geen verschil dus.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:08 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
De NAVO breekt ook beloften: ze beloofde niet verder te gaan dan Duitsland met uitbreiden in het oosten.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:11 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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We zijn niet met het leger de grens over gegaan, ze wilden vrijwillig bij de NAVO en we hebben geen landen overgenomen met militairen. Kan jij de verschillen echt niet zien of aanvoelen?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:11 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Maar oekraine wordt de komende dertig jaar geen lid van de EU. Echt onzin wat je nu weer beweert. Ik steek trouwens mijn hand niet in het vuur voor die dertig jaar. Wel ziet men graag een vrij oekraine, itt de russen

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:13 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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De belofte ging niet over gedwongen of vrijwillig. Ik vergeleek het niet met de Krim.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:12 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Verschil is dat wij het geven aan oekraine en ze nog een vrije keus hebben. Rusland geeft niets van tevoren.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:15 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Hoe bedoel je? De EU/VS wilde pas geven na de coup. En Rusland alleen ervoor.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:14 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Met vrij wordt bedoeld westers gezind..

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:16 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Nog niet op de hoogte dat dit maar een tijdelijke regering is en dat de bevolking opnieuw gaat stemmen dit jaar?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:13 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Dit doe je wel continu h�.
Rusland is geweldig en indien er geen uitweg is, "ja maar het westen toen en toen"

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:16 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Nog niet op de hoogte dat dit maar een tijdelijke regering is en dat de bevolking opnieuw gaat stemmen dit jaar?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:18 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Nee het is een coup
En anders bekijk Kosovo maar ofzo

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:18 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Nee het is een coup
En anders bekijk Kosovo maar ofzo

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:19 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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En toch maken de coupplegers nu allemaal afspraken met het IMF en EU

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:14 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Whataboutism is dat... Lavrov is er meester in, nog van de Sovjets geleerd die konden dat ook... Ik denk dat SadPanda eigenlijk Lavrov is

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:16 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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De vrijheid om zelf keuzes te maken. Zie dat maar als een negatief iets

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:18 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Hou toch op met je onzin, ik zeg niet dat Rusland geweldig is. Ik zei dat gewoon als losse opmerking omdat dat hier wel relevant is. Ik heb op alle antwoorden gewoon gereageerd zonder whataboutism...

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:20 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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In oekraine valt ook echt veel te halen voor de EU he. Ze kunnen niet eens de gasrekening betalen Oekraine heeft ons meer nodig dan wij de oekraine hoor.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:22 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Die over de NAVO was whataboutism van de bovenste plank...had geen zak met het onderwerp te maken...

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:23 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Voor de NAVO/VS/EU valt er evenveel te halen als Rusland.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:25 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Ok wel relevant, maar nog steeds whataboutism.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:25 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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En dat is? Vertel maar wat wij zo graag van oekraine willen halen Het ijzersterke leger van oekraine bij de navo? De rijkdom van oekraine?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:25 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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En dat is? Vertel maar wat wij zo graag van oekraine willen halen Het ijzersterke leger van oekraine bij de navo? De rijkdom van oekraine?

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:29 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Rusland is de enige die landjepik doet hoor. Handelsverdragen zijn gewoon legaal overigens.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:30 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Je schreef: de NAVO breekt ook beloftes (wat overigens impliceert dat je vindt dat Rusland dat ook doet, anders hoef je daar 'ook' niet te gebruiken) omdat ze hadden beloofd niet ten oosten van Duitsland uit te breiden. Daarmee zeg je dus, Rusland mag Ukra�ne kunstjes flikken (schiereiland afpakken, beet bully-en met de gasprijs en zo) omdat de NAVO ook niet gedaan heeft wat ze beloofd hadden....dat is de definitie van whataboutism...

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:29 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Rusland is de enige die landjepik doet hoor. Handelsverdragen zijn gewoon legaal overigens.

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Crimea: Too small to matter

_{By Nicholas Wapshott | April 1, 2014}



Crimea is permanently lost to Russia.

That is implicit in President Barack Obama’s remarks about where the Ukraine crisis heads next; the terms of the Paris talks between Secretary of State John Kerry and the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, and the West’s rejection of military action to hurl back the occupying Russian forces.

That Crimea is gone forever is also the view of former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who declared, “I do not believe that Crimea will slip out of Russia’s hand.”

It is now generally accepted in Washington that short of sparking a shooting war, Crimea is lost and will now always be Russian. President Vladimir Putin, presiding over an economy of $2 trillion, barely equal to California, has roundly defeated the United States and the European Union, with a combined worth of more than $34 trillion.

The loss of Crimea is a considerable blow to U.S. prestige and confirmation that Obama holds a weak hand in Ukraine, a country everyone agrees is too hard to defend from Russian aggression. But why has Obama’s response to Russia’s stealth invasion of Crimea been so muted? Where is the simple demand: “Mr. Putin, order your troops out of Crimea”?

Why is keeping Russia out of eastern Ukraine — rather than the swift return of Crimea to Ukraine — not the core of the Paris talks? Why are economic sanctions limited to a small number of Putin cronies and not applied to the entire population?

Why have the Crimeans been sacrificed? One quick answer is that Americans are not prepared to defend them. According to a recent poll, though two-thirds (66 percent) of Americans think the president has not been tough enough with Putin, with just 11 percent thinking he is handling Russia just right, a majority (53 percent) thinks the United States should not counter the threats to Ukraine. Half of Americans believe Crimea can only be wrested from Russia through military force, but there appears no appetite for sending troops, or even military aid, to Ukraine.

There are, however, larger forces at work here. Obama needs Putin’s continuing support in three pivotal geopolitical conflicts. The first is Afghanistan. After 12 years of occupation and 2,211 U.S. lives lost, America is on the point of withdrawing its final 33,000 troops from the country that once harbored the al Qaeda terrorists who attacked America.

The U.S. forces there, and the nascent Afghan security forces, are being and will continue to be supplied from the United States via a long overland route, known as the Northern Distribution Network, through Russia and territories allied to Russia — Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. To further complicate matters, some important arms contracts to bolster Afghanistan’s frail army against a resurgent Taliban, including a $1 billion contract to buy helicopters, have been placed with Russian companies.

A war between the West and Russia, or even a full-scale sanctions regime, would abruptly cut that essential supply line, putting in jeopardy the fragile achievements of the 12-year Western occupation.

Never mind that if Afghanistan were to return to Taliban rule, it would harbor Islamist terrorists who would try to wrest Islamic Russian republics from the Russian federation. Putin feels that snatching Crimea and invoking the wrath of the West is worth the gamble. He is guessing — correctly thus far — that the United States and the European Union will shrug and do nothing.

Then there are the U.S.-led Western sanctions against the Islamist masters of Iran, who are believed to be seeking to build nuclear weapons and whose constant bellicose threats toward Israel suggest that if they manage to build nukes they will use them on the Jewish state. With Russian help, Iran has been tempted to the negotiating table.

Crimea has put those talks in jeopardy. The Russian deputy foreign minister has made clear that, if the West steps up its sanctions against Russia or Russian individuals to win back Crimea, Russia will withdraw its support for the Iran nuclear disarmament talks and help Iran dodge the tight Western sanctions regime that has forced the mullahs to start talking.

Again, there are many good reasons why it suits Russia to continue with the talks — not least that it does not want a new nuclear power on its southern doorstep. But it appears sentiment rather than realpolitik inspires the Kremlin.

Putin is gambling that Obama is under such domestic pressure to stay out of another war and halt Iran’s nuclear ambitions that Russia can both remain at the Iran talks and keep Crimea. Crimea is therefore the price for trying to disarm Iran.

The third U.S. foreign policy goal Russia is helping with is mediating in the Syrian civil war. After Obama blinked and Congress showed its lack of appetite for intervening militarily in Syria, Putin stepped up and forged a compromise with its longtime ally, in which President Bashar al-Assad’s murderous regime would hand over the chemical weapons it had been using to kill its own people.

Since then, though Russia has soft pedaled and allowed Syria to slow the pace of destruction of its poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction, Washington has been beholden to Moscow to keep the program on track. The story of Syrian disarmament so far has been one of deception and delays. But the prospect of Russia withdrawing its support for the United Nations effort and even further bolstering the Syrian regime with arms would be a profound setback for Obama’s efforts to bring peace and stability in the Middle East. Putin thinks the world owes him Crimea for doing the right thing in Syria.

So after 50 years as a province of Ukraine, first under the Soviets then an independent Ukraine, Crimea is once again a part of Russia. Even Putin’s successors will not wish to hand over land that has been such a bone of contention between Russia and the West.

Crimea is the price Putin has put on cooperating with Obama. And he may still demand more. But is the sacrifice of Crimea worth it?

Consider Tibet, an independent nation that the Chinese Communists annexed by force in 1950. For more than 60 years the Tibetan people have been subjugated and their natural resources plundered.

As with Crimea, Tibet was a country too far away and of insufficient importance to be saved from annexation. To have continued to demand the freedom of Tibet would have put at risk the settlement in the East that ended the Korean War, leaving both North Korea and Tibet in China’s grip.

Before long the State Department will come to consider Crimea part of Russia, just as it now considers Tibet part of China. Will the compromise have been worth it?

Perhaps to Americans, weary of conflict and eager to save money on defense. But Ukranians and, over time, the Crimeans, as they come to understand what it is to live in a bankrupt despotism, will not think so.

Abandoning them is not moral and it is certainly not dignified, but Crimea is not so much too big to fail as too small to matter.

Nicholas Wapshott is the author of Keynes Hayek: The Clash That Defined Modern Economics. Read extracts here.

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:04 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Ik zal je in ieder geval zeggen waarom ze geen korting meer krijgen, omdat het beetje levensstandaard dat er was in Ukra�ne naar de vaantjes helpt, wat destabilisatie in de hand werkt, wat Rusland vervolgens in de kaart speelt.

Natuurlijk wat Meth zegt, je gebruikt handels voor (of nadelen) natuurlijk altijd als 'sturingsmechanisme' maar het komt Rusland wel goed uit. Als ze echt het beste met Ukra�ne voor zouden hebben zouden ze die korting in ieder geval in stand laten tot se zaak wat gestabiliseerd is.

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Secretary of State John Kerry has threatened to discontinue all American aid to the Palestinian Authority if the current round of negotiations does not result in a peace agreement, a senior Palestinian official claimed Thursday.

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A US Senate panel says it is cutting $33m in aid to Pakistan after the jailing of a Pakistani doctor who helped the CIA find Osama Bin Laden.

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U.S. President George W. Bush threatened today to cut off money to the Palestinians if they failed to embrace reform, stepping up pressure for the removal of longtime Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

"I've got confidence in the Palestinians, when they understand fully what we're saying, that they'll make the right decisions," said Bush.
http://www.dailymail.co.u(...)Palestinian-aid.html

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 04:55 schreef TLC het volgende:
Rusland inspecteert Benelux

Een Russisch militair vliegtuig zal vandaag boven Nederland een observatievlucht uitvoeren. De vlucht maakt onderdeel uit van het zogenoemde Open Skies-verdrag.

Het toestel, een Antonov An-30B is gisteren in Belgi� op de militaire luchthaven van Melsbroek aangekomen, melden Belgische media.

Vertrouwen

Begin jaren 90 ondertekenden Rusland en de NAVO-lidstaten een verdrag dat voorzag in verkenningsvluchten boven elkaars grondgebied.

De observatievluchten moeten het vertrouwen tussen Rusland en de NAVO versterken.

(http://nos.nl/artikel/630842-rusland-inspecteert-benelux.html)

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Op dinsdag 1 april 2014 22:34 schreef opgebaarde het volgende:

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Kan je je voorstellen dat de Russen zichzelf bedreigd voelen? De grens tot waar men solidair is met de EU komt steeds dichter bij en de Russen verliezen grond (negeer de annexaties)

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 08:02 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Ik neem aan dat dit niet door gaat, gezien het nieuws van gisteren?

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Right Sector to continue arming itself if Ukraine situation does not change


The Right Sector intends to continue arming itself unless the situation on the Ukrainian borders and in Kyiv changes, said Ihor Mazur, Right Sector's Kyiv regional leader, according to the 112 Ukraine television channel.

"If the war continues to come to Ukraine, Right Sector will be in the first trenches, it will be defending the Ukrainian state. And a sufficient number of enemies know that," he said on Tuesday.

The weapons available to Right Sector members were either personal and registered, or rented from their friends, Mazur said.

"We did what was expected of us. First of all, I repeat once again, no one issued weapons to us to reclaim them back from us. And the weapons in our hands, most of them were registered, and those that were not were rented from our friends. We have friends who are hunters and have several firearms. We gave them their weapons back. No one was injured with them, no one was killed with them. They were used merely in self defense. They are now held by their owners," he said.

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Interior Ministry: Weapons found at former Right Sector headquarters in Dnipro Hotel

Experts have confiscated several weapons from Kyiv's Dnipro Hotel, which used to house the headquarters of the Right Sector ultra-nationalistic movement.

"This morning, representatives of the Right Sector, escorted by officers of law enforcement agencies, left the Dnipro Hotel and headed to one of the [organization's] bases outside the city. Experts are currently working at the hotel. Several weapons have been found there," the Ukrainian Interior Ministry said on its Web site on Tuesday.

Police are also investigating whether or not the confiscated weapons could have been used in crimes other than the events that occurred in Kyiv on Monday evening, when a Right Sector member went on a shooting spree near the hotel, wounding three people, among them Kyiv city administration first deputy head Bohdan Dubas.

In response to the incident, police special operations units encircled the Right Sector's headquarters, based at the Dnipro Hotel.

Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, for his part, said on Tuesday morning that Right Sector representatives were leaving the Dnipro Hotel unarmed.

"They got on their buses and headed to one of the camps outside of the city escorted by officers of the Ukrainian Security Service. Interior Ministry experts have already started to examine the vacated building," Avakov said.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 10:16 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.kyivpost.com/c(...)ro-hotel-341642.html

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 12:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Wat is je bedoeling precies, de boel zo ver onder spammen dat mensen geloven in je propaganda over het "grote neofascistisch gevaar"?. Rusland zijn de grootste fascisten als je bekijkt dat ze land ingenomen hebben en de tartaren willen deporteren.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 12:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
de tartaren willen deporteren.

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Yanukovych recants on Crimea

Ukraine's ousted president, Viktor Yanukovych, said Wednesday that he was "wrong" to invite Russian troops into Crimea, and vowed to try to persuade Russia to return the Black Sea peninsula.

In his first interview since fleeing to Russia in February, Yanukovych said he hopes to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin to return the region he annexed in March.

Yanukovych, speaking to The Associated Press and Russia's state NTV television, called Russia's annexation of Crimea "a tragedy."

He fled Ukraine in February after three months of protests against his rule.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 16:20 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo(...)tervention-1.2595201

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EU, US vow to help wean Ukraine off Russian gas

The United States and European Union on Wednesday sought ways to reduce the political clout Russia gets from its vast energy reserves by promising to wean Ukraine and the rest of the continent off those supplies.

In the wake of Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula, Europe’s dependency on Russian energy became a political liability as it undermined its ability to stand up to Moscow. Cutting those supplies could cripple the fragile economies of Ukraine and Europe.

“It really boils down to this: no nation should use energy to stymie a people’s aspirations,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said during a visit to Brussels. “So we are taking important steps today in order to make it far more difficult for people to deploy that tool.”

The most immediate concern is cash-strapped Ukraine, which relies on Russian energy imports. The risk of that was highlighted Tuesday, when Moscow increased sharply the price of gas it sells to Ukraine and threatened to reclaim billions in unpaid gas bills.

Kerry said the U.S. and EU will seek to provide Ukraine gas through Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

That will provide only mild relief in the short term, however. Even if gas can be redirected from EU nations in technically complicated maneuvers to meet immediate needs, it would only amount to relatively small quantities.

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The greater hope is that in the medium-term, Ukraine might build up its own energy production capacity, including the extraction of shale gas, which is criticized as excessively polluting in much of the EU.

Beyond Ukraine, Kerry also insisted that the EU should reduce its energy dependence. And there, the role of the United States could be critical.

The U.S, because of its use of shale gas extraction over the past years, has already turned into a potential exporter of liquefied natural gas and is looking to make its first deliveries in 2015.

At the moment, largely because of cheap gas from Russia, Europe is using only about 20 percent of the capacity of its LNG import terminals, and could take in large amounts of U.S. exports once U.S. facilities to ship it are fully operational.

With LNG, the U.S. could theoretically make up for half of Europe’s gas flows coming from Russia.

Europe could also try to get more natural gas from Asia through pipelines crossing Azerbaijan and Turkey instead of over Russian soil.

Russia, though, would think twice before relying on energy as a weapon.

Russian exports to the EU, dominated by oil and gas, totaled 213 billion euros in 2012 ($294 billion at current prices). The 28-nation EU is by far the largest export market for gas and a very substantial source of foreign exchange earnings.

Even if the EU has no reasonable alternative to Russian gas in the short term, Moscow wouldn’t have a good alternative market for its gas either.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 17:26 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Het was pas geleden in het nieuws over dat tartaren moesten vertrekken onder het mom van de aanleg van infrastructuur. Alweer vergeten meth en sadpanda??

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 17:27 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Ja ik heb dat niet gezien. Graag een bron dus.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 17:26 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Het was pas geleden in het nieuws over dat tartaren moesten vertrekken onder het mom van de aanleg van infrastructuur. Alweer vergeten meth en sadpanda??

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 18:19 schreef theNull het volgende:
Is er al wat meer bekend over die (gedeeltelijke) terugtrekken van russische troepen? Ik las op twitter dat de navo binnen enkele dagen Oekra�ne binnen valt?

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 18:21 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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dacht dat de NAVO wat troepenbeweging had gezien, 500 man of zo, maar waar die naartoe gingen was niet duidelijk. En je moet niet alles op twitter geloven.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 18:20 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Onteigeningen heb je ook in Nederland. Voor zover ik me herinner ging het om Tataren die zich op land gevestigd hadden dat niet hun eigendom was, en die toestand zou geregulariseerd worden, behalve in een gebied nabij Simferopol, in de buurt van een afslag, daar werd infrastructuur gepland en voor hen zou men ander stukken land zoeken waar ze zich konden vestigen.

Of die beloften nagekomen worden weet ik niet, maar de boodschap die de regering wilde geven was dat de toestand van Tataren die illegaal land hadden ingenomen zou geregulariseerd worden. Dat de woordvoerder daar ��n uitzondering aan toevoegde was dom, want daar focuste de buitenlandse media op.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 18:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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alsof een indianenreservaat verdwijnt dus. Die krimtartaren zijn de oorspronkelijke bewoners, niet die nep russen.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 19:47 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:

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Nee dat zijn ze niet ze zijn daar gekomen dankzij de Mongolen.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 18:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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alsof een indianenreservaat verdwijnt dus. Die krimtartaren zijn de oorspronkelijke bewoners, niet die nep russen.

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"We are planning to build two steam electric power plants in the near future… We hope that Crimea will become a huge construction site. The example of Sochi inspires us…," Crimean First Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliev told the RIA Novosti news agency on Tuesday.

If all goes well, Simferopol could, in Temirgaliev’s view, host some of the FIFA World Cup matches in 2018.

Speaking about Crimean Tatars, he said that part of them, especially aged people, were wary of Russia due to the deportation of Crimean Tatars in 1944. About half of the Crimean Tatars did not survive the deportation.

"We understand their concerns," Temirgaliev said. "But we are opening a new Russia to Crimean Tatars, a multi-ethnic state that supports all its peoples and nationalities irrespective of their traditions or culture. Look at the Muslim regions of Tatarstan, Ingushetia and Chechnya."

As for the land self-seized by Crimean Tatars over the past years, all the land plots will undergo legalization, but some areas crucial for infrastructure and urban development will have to be vacated, including part of self-seized plots near the detour road in Simferopol, he said.

The owners of those land plots will be offered land elsewhere, he added.

"Yesterday, we held talks with the leaders of the Majlis… Ilmi Ilyasov, a member of a local kurultai council, has been offered the post of vice speaker [in the Crimean parliament]. Zaur Smirnov, Majlis deputy chairman, may be appointed deputy prime minister… I think that Crimean Tatars will be appropriately represented in parliament," Temirgaliev concluded.

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'Russen in 3 dagen de baas in Oost-Oekra�ne'

Het Russische leger aan de grens met Oekra�ne is sterk genoeg voor een aanval. Als het bevel komt, dan kan de troepenmacht delen van Oost- en Zuid-Oekra�ne in een paar dagen onder controle hebben. Daar heeft de Amerikaanse NAVO-bevelhebber Philip Breedlove voor gewaarschuwd.

„Dit is een erg grote, erg capabele en zeer parate legermacht”, aldus de generaal woensdag in een interview met persbureau Reuters. Volgens hem kan de troepenmacht van naar schatting 40.000 militairen zijn doelen in 3 tot 5 dagen hebben bereikt.

Breedlove zei dat in de nacht van dinsdag op woensdag kleine troepenverplaatsingen zijn gezien door de NAVO. Maar volgens de hoogste NAVO-commandant zijn er geen aanwijzingen dat die troepen zich terugtrekken naar de kazernes.

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 20:21 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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But the Russian invasion force - if it is here - is very well camouflaged. As the fog lifted, murky shapes were revealed as trees, houses and old Lada cars. No tanks emerged from the gloom, no suspicious flights of helicopters passed overhead, and no green painted trucks rumbled down the roads.

In a 200 mile trip along the border region, the only Russian armour on display in this flat landscape was of a much older vintage, and stood on plinths in town squares.

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"Rusland kan in 12 uur aanvallen"

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Rusland heeft 40.000 militairen bij de grens met Oekra�ne, zegt de opperbevelhebber van de NAVO, de Amerikaanse generaal Philip Breedlove. Hij zei in een interview met Jan Eikelboom van Nieuwsuur dat de Russische troepen in staat zijn om op land en op zee binnen twaalf uur aan te vallen.

Breedlove zei al eerder dat Rusland zich aan het voorbereiden was op een militaire invasie onder de dekmantel van een militaire oefening. Hij sprak toen van een "zeer omvangrijke troepenmacht".

Geen beelden
Het is onduidelijk of die troepen daadwerkelijk bij de Oekra�ense grens staan. Volgens correspondent David Jan Godfroid zijn er geen beelden van en hebben journalisten in het grensgebied ook geen troepen gezien. "Zoveel militairen verstop je niet zomaar. Er is artillerie nodig, tanks, transportvoertuigen. Dat heeft bij elkaar de omvang van een kleine stad."

Oud-secretaris-generaal van de NAVO Jaap de Hoop Scheffer zei in Nieuwsuur dat hij niet twijfelt aan de uitspraken van Breedlove. Hij noemt het wel merkwaardig dat niemand de troepen nog heeft gezien, maar ziet geen reden om te twijfelen aan de NAVO-opperbevelhebber. "Zonder tegenbericht ga ik ervan uit dat de informatie correct is."

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 23:50 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Het is, zonder meteen als Baaj de zaak in het belachelijke te trekken, natuurlijk frappant dat er over 40.000 man gesproken wordt die niet gelokaliseerd kunnen worden.

Aan de andere kant:

We hebben het over de Russische kant van de grens, hoe vrij kunnen westerse journos daar rondwandelen en verslag doen.

Die troepen camoufleren zich...op hoeveel foto's van de verkenningstocht van number 16 squadron stonden er Duitse tanks? Toch sprong de 1e luchtlandingsbrigade van Urquhart op 17 september 1944 recht in de handen van de 9e en de 10e SS panzer divisies... En die waren daar op verlof, niet om een aanval op te vangen.

Ik zou het zeer frappant vinden dat Rusland zo stil zou blijven als ze nu doen als die troepen daar niet zouden zijn. Die troepen zijn zondag besproken in het gesprek tussen Kerry en Lavrov. Als er geen troepen waren had Lavrov dat best gezegd...

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Op donderdag 3 april 2014 00:11 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Het is al een paar dagen stil rond Vice News...ik hoop dat Simon die kant op is om eens rond te neuzen...

Tatar Nation: The Other Crimea

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Op woensdag 2 april 2014 23:50 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Het is, zonder meteen als Baaj de zaak in het belachelijke te trekken, natuurlijk frappant dat er over 40.000 man gesproken wordt die niet gelokaliseerd kunnen worden.

Aan de andere kant:

We hebben het over de Russische kant van de grens, hoe vrij kunnen westerse journos daar rondwandelen en verslag doen.

Die troepen camoufleren zich...op hoeveel foto's van de verkenningstocht van number 16 squadron stonden er Duitse tanks? Toch sprong de 1e luchtlandingsbrigade van Urquhart op 17 september 1944 recht in de handen van de 9e en de 10e SS panzer divisies... En die waren daar op verlof, niet om een aanval op te vangen.

Ik zou het zeer frappant vinden dat Rusland zo stil zou blijven als ze nu doen als die troepen daar niet zouden zijn. Die troepen zijn zondag besproken in het gesprek tussen Kerry en Lavrov. Als er geen troepen waren had Lavrov dat best gezegd...

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NASA suspends ties with Russian gov't officials over ongoing crisis in Crimea

NASA has suspended contact with Russian government representatives, citing ongoing violations of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, according to an internal letter written by a top official on Wednesday.

The authenticity of the letter has been confirmed by Fox News.

“This suspension includes NASA travel to Russia and visits by Russian Government representatives to NASA facilities, bilateral meetings, email, and teleconferences or videoconferences,” states the letter, which was written by Michael F. O'Brien, NASA’s associate administrator for international and interagency relations.

However, ongoing activities at the International Space Station (ISS) have been exempted from the rules, as well as “multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation.”

There are currently two Americans onboard the ISS.

NASA told Fox News that it will release a statement on the situation soon.

In early March, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden insisted that the U.S. and Russia’s space partnership was not being strained over tensions in Ukraine.

"Right now, everything is normal in our relationship with the Russians," Bolden said at the time. "I think people lose track of the fact that we have occupied the International Space Station now for 13 consecutive years uninterrupted, and that has been through multiple international crises."
http://www.foxnews.com/sc(...)ng-crisis-in-crimea/

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Ukraine businessman, Indian official charged in U.S. corruption case
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Ukrainian industrialist Dmitry Firtash, a member of India's parliament and four others were indicted by a U.S. grand jury for their suspected role in an international corruption scheme, the U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday.

The indictment, which was returned under seal in June 2013, was made public on Wednesday, a few weeks after prosecutors said they planned to ask Austria to extradite Firtash.

Firtash, who is one of Ukraine's most influential oligarchs, Indian lawmaker K.V.P. Ramachandra Rao, and the other defendants participated in a scheme to bribe Indian government officials in order to gain access to minerals used to make titanium-based products, prosecutors said.

The scheme allegedly involved $18 million in bribes to secure licenses in the south Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, for a project expected to generate $500 million in annual sales, the U.S. government said.

U.S. prosecutors said they have jurisdiction over the case because the defendants used U.S. financial institutions to transfer the bribes and because the defendants had planned to sell the titanium products to an unnamed American company based in Chicago.

Some of the defendants were also charged with violating the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which bars bribes to officials of foreign governments in exchange for business.

"Fighting global corruption is part of the fabric of the Department of Justice," the acting head of the Justice Department's criminal division, David O'Neil, said in a statement.

Firtash, whose first name is also spelled "Dmytro," was arrested in Vienna last month and was released from custody after posting 125 million euros ($172.10 million) bail.

In a statement, an official of Firtash's Group DF company said there is no truth to the accusations.

"It is not a coincidence that the U.S. is trying to extradite our chairman at the moment when Mr. Firtash is needed for the economic and political reconstruction of Ukraine," Group DF deputy chairman Robert Shetler-Jones said.

The detention of Firtash, whose business concerns in gas trading and chemicals thrived under Ukraine's ousted president Viktor Yanukovich, has coincided with a sharp escalation in the country's political crisis that pits the West against Russia.

The allegations at the heart of the Justice Department's case date back to 2006, when a Group DF unit set up a joint venture with the state government of Andhra Pradesh to mine several minerals, according to the indictment.

Firtash allegedly met with Indian officials including the then chief minister of the state, Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy, and his advisor Rao, the Indian official who is charged in the case, in order to discuss the project and authorized the bribes.

According to prosecutors, Firtash then directed his employees to create documents to cover up the money trail.

Rao solicited bribes for himself and others in return for approving licenses for the project, prosecutors said.

A representative of the Indian embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The Justice Department said it is seeking Firtash to forfeit his interests in Group DF Limited and its assets.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukr(...)-case-161856598.html

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Ukraine detains 12 riot police on suspicion of 'mass murder'

(Reuters) - Twelve members of Ukraine's disbanded 'Berkut' riot police have been detained on suspicion of shooting peaceful participants in Kiev's months-long anti-government protests, a spokesman for the General Prosecutor said on Thursday.

More than 100 people were killed, most by police snipers, on the streets of the capital in the run-up to the ouster of Viktor Yanukovich on February 21 and the 'Berkut' force have largely been considered responsible.

"By this morning twelve people had been detained, all of them suspected of mass murder on Institutska Street," a spokesman for the general prosecutor told Reuters.

Institutska, which leads off from Kiev's Independence Square or 'Maidan', saw the worst violence in Ukraine's 22 years of independence and has since been informally renamed as the Avenue of Heaven's Hundred, a reference to those killed.

In the final violent days of the protests dozens of people were picked off by police snipers and general police shooting.

Ukraine's acting Attorney General Oleh Makhnitsky said the detainees were members of a specialised force within the Berkut called the 'Black Unit'.

"The police officers of this company were trained for special operations including the killing of people. They were overseen by the presidential administration," Interfax Ukraine newswire quoted Makhnitsky as saying.

In late February the Interior Ministry disbanded the Berkut, whose name means golden eagle and signifies a predator capable of swooping quickly onto its prey.

Later on Thursday a special commission is due to hear the results of a preliminary investigation into the deaths at the 'Maidan' protests.

http://uk.reuters.com/art(...)dUKBREA320GU20140403

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Ukraine Accuses Russia of Helping Yanukovych in Protester Deaths
_{By Daryna Krasnolutska Apr 3, 2014 2:07 PM GMT+0200}

Ukraine’s security service said deposed President Viktor Yanukovych deployed snipers to target anti-government demonstrators this year, with Russian forces also playing a role in violence that cost more than 100 lives.

The ousted Kremlin-backed leader, who fled to Russia in February, deployed sharpshooters on buildings in central Kiev and ordered them to open fire on protesters, State Security Service head Valentyn Nalyvaychenko told reporters today in Ukraine’s capital. Russia began sending special forces personnel to the country in December and shipped explosives there the next month, he said. Yanukovych has denied involvement in the sniper deaths and Russia dismissed the accusations today.

February’s crackdown on protesters “was directly managed by ex-President Yanukovych,” Nalyvaychenko said. “We have grounds to think Russian groups located at one of Ukraine’s state security training centers participated in the planning and implementation of the so-called anti-terrorist operation.”

Nalyvaychenko’s remarks heighten tensions between Russia and Ukraine after President Vladimir Putin annexed the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea and sparked the worst standoff with the U.S. and Europe in more than two decades. Russia doesn’t recognize the new administration in Kiev, which took power after what began last year as pro-European street protests turned into a weeks-long anti-government uprising.

Russia needs to explain why members of its Federal Security Service, or FSB, were present in Ukraine and provide their names and job titles, Nalyvaychenko said. The FSB, the main successor to the Soviet-era KGB, said his allegations should “lie on the conscience” of Ukraine, according to a press service statement cited by the state-run RIA Novosti newswire.

Twelve former officers from Ukraine’s Berkut riot police division have been detained in relation to protesters’ deaths, with three arrested, General Prosecutor Oleh Makhnitsky told the same news conference today.

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Prosecutor General Oleh Makhnitsky said the evidence also showed that Russia's security service, known as the FSB, helped Yanukovych's attempts to crush anti-government protests that were attacked in February by forces that shot and killed more than 80 people.

"We know that 26 FSB employees were present at one of the shooting ranges of the Ukraine security services in December 2013," Ukraine security services chief Valentyn Nalivaychenko said.

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Russland gibt Kriegsschiffe an Ukraine zur�ck

Russland will die Schiffe, die vor der Abspaltung der Krim zur ukrainischen Kriegsflotte geh�rt hatten, laut inoffiziellen Angaben an die Ukraine zur�ckgeben.

Nach Angaben des russischen Marinechefs Viktor Tschirkow befinden sich rund 80 ukrainische Kriegs- und Versorgungschiffe auf der Schwarzmeerhalbinsel Krim, die sich nach einem Referendum im M�rz von der Ukraine gel�st und mit Russland wiedervereinigt hat. Am gestrigen Mittwoch forderte die Ukraine die R�ckgabe von 70 Schiffen.

Das russische Verteidigungsministerium hat beschlossen, die Kriegs- und Versorgungschiffe an die Ukraine zur�ckzugeben, teilte ein Vertreter der Krim-Regierung am Donnerstag RIA Novosti mit. Als erste solle die Korvette Ternopol schon am Freitag nach Odessa geschickt werden.

Dem Sprecher zufolge ist die russische Marine bei der �berleitung der Schiffe auf ein Problem gesto�en: Weil die meisten ukrainischen Matrosen zur russischen Kriegsflotte �bergewechselt seien, mangle es an Personal, um die Schiffe von der Krim nach Odessa zu bringen.

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Amerikaanse hulppakketten nu al op Oekra�ense zwarte markt



Nog geen maand na de invase en annexatie van de Krim door Rusland, zijn er westerse hulppakketten op de zwarte markt te vinden. Oekra�ne kreeg veel hulp in de vorm van een lening van een miljard dollar �n 300.000 dollar aan Amerikaanse voedselpakketten. Helaas lijken die hun eindbestemming niet te bereiken, kwam Motherboard op het spoor.

De kant-en-klare maaltijden arriveerden dit weekend in Kiev, maar nog voor de laatste ladingen daar zijn, staan er al pakketten te pronken op zoekertjessites. De overheden kunnen niet aantonen hoe de verkopers nu net hun handen kunnen leggen op de voedselpakketten. Wellicht worden ze gestolen uit de militaire hangars waar de hulppakketten liggen te wachten vooraleer ze rondgedeeld worden.

De voedselhulp is bedoeld voor Oekra�ense soldaten, en er staat ook uitdrukkelijk 'not for resale' op gedrukt. Daar lijken de sites zich geen zorgen om te maken. Meer nog, er zijn zelfs gespecialiseerde websites die voedselpakketten aanbieden van verschillende legers. Het doel daarvan is uiteenlopend. Ofwel vormt het zo een mekka voor verzamelaars, aan de andere kant is het ook spotgoedkoop. E�n pakket, met daarin 12 maaltijden, kost nog geen 9 euro. Op het menu: soep, pasta, koffie en ingredi�nten als suiker, zout en zelfs toiletpapier.

Het is niet de eerste keer dat voedselpakketten op de dool gaan. Onder meer in Somali� en Ha�ti na de aardbeving was er grote malaise op vlak van voedselhulp die niet aankwam.

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Nato suspends cooperation with Russia over Ukraine crisis

Nato suspended all practical cooperation with Russia on Tuesday in protest at its annexation of Crimea, and ordered military planners to draft measures to strengthen its defenses and reassure nervous Eastern European countries.

Foreign ministers from the 28-nation, US-led alliance were meeting for the first time since the Russian occupation of Ukraine's Crimea region touched off the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War.

Nato Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Russia's actions meant there could be no "business as usual".

"So today, we are suspending all practical cooperation with Russia, military and civilian," he told a news conference.

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The suspension of NATO cooperation with Russia would mean Russia could not participate in joint exercises such as one planned for May on rescuing a stranded submarine, a NATO official said.

But Rasmussen said he expected Russia's cooperation with NATO in Afghanistan - on training counter-narcotics personnel, maintenance of Afghan air force helicopters and a transit route out of the war-torn country - to continue.

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NATO, Russia dispute over Crimea disrupts Afghan cooperation

(Reuters) - NATO's decision to suspend cooperation with Russia will affect their cooperation in countering the flow of Afghan opium and keeping Afghan military helicopters flying, a NATO official said on Wednesday.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Tuesday that the alliance was suspending military and civilian cooperation with Moscow after its forces occupied Ukraine's Crimea region.

Rasmussen said then that he expected Russia's cooperation with NATO in Afghanistan - on training counter-narcotics personnel, maintenance of Afghan air force helicopters and a transit route out of the war-torn country - to continue.

However, a senior alliance official said on Wednesday that the counter-narcotics and helicopter programs would in fact be affected.

NATO and Russia jointly ran a counter-narcotics training program for officials from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Central Asia, designed to counter the flow of drugs from Afghanistan, and a "helicopter maintenance trust fund" to provide technical training and spare parts for Afghan air force helicopters.

Counter-narcotics officials currently taking courses would complete their training but there would be no more courses jointly organized by NATO and Russia for now, the senior NATO official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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Op donderdag 3 april 2014 17:44 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:

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Kunnen ze die opslagplaatsen dan niet beter beveiligen.

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Putin’s new relationship status: Single

April 3, 2014 4:41 PM EDT — The Kremlin confirms that Russian President Vladimir Putin's divorce from his wife Lyudmila has been finalized. (Reuters)

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Ukraine and Russia Demonize Each Other With Claims of Terrorism

Without presenting much in the way of evidence, Ukraine's spy chief accuses Russian agents of helping plan the massacre of protesters in February, and Russia responds with a claim of terrorism against Ukraine that is no less grave and equally thin on proof.
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Russia detains 25 Ukrainians suspected of attacks

Russia has detained 25 Ukrainians it suspected of preparing attacks in the southern and central part of the country, the Federal Security Service (FSB) said in a statement on Thursday.

The detained, who were reported as being members of ultra-nationalist movements, were planning attacks between March 14 and 17, it said, in Russia's Rostov, Volgograd, Tver, Orel, Belgorod, Kalmykia and Tatarstan regions.

The press service of the Ukrainian state security service (SBU) dismissed the report as "nonsense".

The announcement came hours after the SBU said that Russian security staff had been present at the SBU headquarters aiding previous authorities during anti-government protests in Kiev in which more than 100 people were killed.

Russian Rossiya state TV channel aired a video showing several detained young men, one of them admitting to being a member of an ultra-nationalist movement.

A website for the NTV channel reported, citing security services' data, that the detainees were assigned by the SBU to take pictures of Russia's military equipment near the Ukrainian border and to establish contacts with radicals inside Russia.
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SBU detains 2 Russians suspected of plotting to abduct Ukrainian politicians

Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) arrested on April 2 in Lviv region two Russian citizens who are suspected of plotting to take hostage several Ukrainians, including a presidential candidate.

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Ukraine accuses ex-president over sniper deaths

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's prime minister on Thursday blamed ousted President Viktor Yanukovich for the deaths of dozens of anti-government protesters shot by police snipers and urged Russia to hand him over to face charges.

Arseny Yatseniuk made his comments to Reuters after Ukraine's security service (SBU) blamed the killing of more than 100 protesters in mid-February on the Berkut riot police but said Yanukovich had been involved in planning the operation.

The SBU also said representatives of Russia's FSB security force had been at the SBU headquarters in Kiev - under the previous government - during three months of protests, and that Russia had flown explosives into Ukraine as they worsened.
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Russian Foreign Minister: The West Is ‘Blowing This Out Of Proportion’

MOSCOW (CBS News/CBSDC/AP) — Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Thursday offered further assurances that his country was not on the verge of invading eastern Ukraine, telling reporters that Russian troops “will be returning to the place of their permanent quarters as soon as” military exercises close to the two nations’ shared border wrapped up.

Lavrov, however, accused the Ukrainian government “and their patrons in the West of blowing this out of proportion,” adding that Russia did not violate any international norms by sending additional troops to its own borders.

U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, who commands all NATO forces in Europe, said Russia has 40,000 troops along the border with neighboring Ukraine, and that they are capable of attacking by land and air on 12 hours’ notice.
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Stop tantrums and practise some yoga, Russia tells US
Sergei Rybakov, Russia’s deputy foreign minister, says the US' 'childish tantrums and tears' will not change Russia's annexation of Crimea

America's leaders should stop throwing “childish tantrums” over the annexation of Crimea and instead “do yoga”, a Russian official said on Thursday, in a caustic intervention in the confrontation between Moscow and Washington.

Sergei Rybakov, Russia’s deputy foreign minister, said decisions by the US to end military and civilian cooperation, including that between Nasa and the Russian space agency, ran against “the free will of the people of Crimea”.

He added that the Americans were being “childish” if they thought that such actions could change the situation.

“What advice can we give our American colleagues? Spend more time in the fresh air, practise yoga, a balanced diet, maybe watch some sitcoms on TV,” he said. “Its better than 'cheating’ yourself and others, knowing that the train has left and childish tantrums and tears are not going to help,” he said.
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Russia recalls ambassador to NATO amid Ukraine tensions

Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- Russia recalled its ambassador to NATO for consultations Thursday, two days after NATO member countries suspended cooperation with Russia over the Ukraine crisis, Russian state media reported.

Col. Gen. Valery Yevnevich will return to Moscow in light of NATO's actions, official news agency ITAR-Tass said, citing Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov's remarks to journalists.

"The policy of (deliberately) whipping up tensions is not our choice. Nonetheless, we see no possibility to continue military cooperation with NATO in a routine regime," Antonov is quoted as saying.

He accused NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen of making "confrontational statements" at the meeting of NATO foreign ministers early this week and questioned NATO steps to bolster its presence in Eastern Europe.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also said Moscow wanted answers from NATO regarding activities in Eastern Europe after the Western military alliance said it would step up defenses for its eastern members.

Russia's move to annex the Crimea region from Ukraine last month has sparked the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War and raised fears among its Eastern European neighbors.

At their meeting, NATO foreign ministers decided the alliance would draw up plans for reinforcing NATO's defenses following Moscow's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region -- which the West deems illegal.

These would possibly include measures such as sending NATO soldiers and equipment to allies in Eastern Europe, holding more exercises and ensuring NATO's rapid-reaction force could deploy more quickly, a NATO official said. It could also include a possible review of NATO's military plans.

"We have posed these questions to the North Atlantic Alliance. We are expecting not just any answer but an answer fully respectful of the rules we have coordinated," Lavrov told a joint news briefing with his Kazakh counterpart.

Responding to criticism from Kiev and the West over the presence of Russian troops along the border with Ukraine, Lavrov said Russia had the right to move forces on its territory and said they would return to their permanent bases after completing military exercises.

"Russian troops in the Rostov region will return to their bases after completing military exercises," he said, referring to an area near the Ukrainian border.

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Russia’s economic dip could pose risk to Finland, says government minister

Finland should be concerned about Russia’s economic development, says Finland’s Minister for European Affairs and Foreign Trade.

A weakened Russian economy in the wake of its conflict with Ukraine will be felt in Finland. But he advocates that the European Union and Russia work together.

"If Russia’s economy drops by 3 percent, the Finnish economy will drop by half a percent. That’s a source of concern,” says Alexander Stubb, Finland’s Minister for European Affairs and Foreign Trade.

“We have been experiencing a financial crisis for many years now and there will continue to be challenges with regards to economic growth. Now there’s the Ukraine crisis on top of all this. This is the very reason why European integration was undertaken: with it we aim to avoid conflicts. Even though conflicts arise, they are not borne within the EU,” says Stubb, who is known for his pro-EU stance.

Stubb stresses that it’s important to remember that the roots of the EU lie in a project started in the 1950s, when Germany and France needed to be brought closer together during the post-war years.

“The EU has brought peace, stability and prosperity,” says Stubb. “Granted, there have been conflicts on the borders of Europe such as in the former Yugoslavia and now between Russian and Ukraine.”

“As I have said before, money is the best peace mediator. When economies are tightly interwoven and dependent on one another, the threshold for conflict is considerably higher. That’s why all the walls that are between the EU and Russia need to be taken down so that we are dependent on one another and these types of conflicts are avoided.”

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Een 'top-15' van onwaarschijnlijke geruchten
De geruchtenmachine draait op volle toeren in Donetsk. Plaatselijke journalisten hebben zelfs een 'top-15' kunnen opmaken. Een aantal van die geruchten lijkt volgens hen te onwaarschijnlijk om waar te zijn, maar toch zijn er veel mensen die er de waarheid in zien. Zo geloven veel inwoners van de Donbas dat het waar is dat premier Arseni Jatsenjoek heeft gezegd dat iedereen die geen Oekra�ens spreekt het land uit moet.

Volgens de journalisten worden geruchten in de Donbas doorgaans gespreid door overheidsbestuurders en directeuren van grote bedrijven. Niet zelden doen ze dat op de regionale televisie.

In de Donbas zou de grensbewaking zijn overgenomen door leden van de ultra-nationalistische beweging Rechtse Sector en door banderivtsi die op enig moment de Russen zullen aanvallen. Er zou in de Donbas een crematorium in aanbouw zijn om Russische inwoners te verbranden. Oekra�ense militairen in Donetsk en omgeving zouden mensen slaan die Russisch tegen hen spreken.

Een bij naam genoemd bedrijf verplicht de werknemers om een deel van hun salaris af te staan voor het in de oude staat terugbrengen van het Onafhankelijkheidsplein in Kiev en om de Rechtse Sector financieel te steunen. Er zouden plannen zijn om de kinderbijslag af te schaffen en kinderen zouden als slaven naar Europa worden afgevoerd.

De mijnen in de Donbas zouden onder water worden gezet en er wordt radioactief afval uit de Verenigde Staten en Europa in opgeslagen. De winkels worden gevuld met vergiftigde producten uit Amerika en Europa. Homo's, pedofielen en sodomieten nemen de macht over en ze trouwen dan met wie ze maar willen. Er is een grootschalige mobilisatie op komst en niemand krijgt nog loon. Het leger neemt drugsverslaafden aan nadat ze eerst gedrogeerd worden om hun handtekening te zetten.

De viering van zowel de Dag van de Arbeid als van de Overwinningsdag wordt afgeschaft. Er zijn loopgraven rond Donetsk gegraven en er zijn tanks in aantocht die de stad gaan beschieten. Dan is er ook nog het gerucht dat de Amerikanen uit zijn op een oorlog in Oekra�ne, waarbij ze genetisch gemanipuleerde soldaten gaan inzetten.

Een apart verhaal is dat van Sashko Bily, doorgaans om een gesprek mee af te sluiten. Deze leider van de Rechtse Sector werd aanvankelijk opgevoerd als schrikbeeld voor de bevolking. Maar aangezien hij vorige week de dood vond bij zijn arrestatie, is dat verhaal waardeloos geworden. Inmiddels is er een nieuwe versie: Sashko Bily was een Oekra�ense Robin Hood, hij hielp de armen en moest daarom worden gedood.

Bron: Ukrinform

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EuroMaidan activists confront pro-Russian separatists in Odesa

ODESSA, Ukraine -- About 100 activists who support the EuroMaidan Revolution that ousted President Viktor Yanukvoych confronted a similar-sized crowd of separatists who support Russia on a square near City Hall in the southern Black Sea port city.

At issue in the April 4 rally was an attempt by City Council members to oust interim Mayor Oleh Bryndak, who wants Odessa to secede from Ukraine. But the officials didn’t have a quorum and so ended the meeting. Bryndak, who was a secretary of City Council, became interim mayor on Nov. 4 after the previous Odessa mayor, Oleksiy Kostusev, resigned. A mayoral election will take place on May 25, the same day as Ukraine's presidential vote and the election for Kyiv mayor.

Hundreds of police officers stood in two lines to separate the two groups and prevent clashes between them.

Tensions remain high in the multinational, predominantly Russian-speaking Odessa, a city of 1 million people. It is a place where many people believe in the myths about Russia's grand imperial and heroic Soviet past.

At the same time, the pro-Ukrainian supporters are also numerous in this city, where the Ukrainian Navy is being resettled from Crimea after being expelled during the Russian annexation of Ukraine's peninsula last month.

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Activists of EuroMaidan believe that the participants of Kulikovo Field, where even some parties hailing Soviet dictator Josef Stalin were seen, mostly turned out for money, getting paid either by the mayor’s team or Russia directly.

“I’ve heard that they receive money through the Russian consulate and (local Orthodox Church metropolitan) Agafangel,” Nasadiuk said. Other pro-European activists also admitted seeing Russian citizens there who traveled to Odessa from Transnistria, the breakaway region of neighboring Moldova.

Wearing camouflage uniforms, dozens of representatives of EuroMaidan civilian self-defense members stood in front of the City Hall, saying they were ready to defend participants of the rival camps and help the police.

Teenagers from the militant EuroMaidan Right Sector nationalists watched with concern at menacing men who congregated in a nearby park.

But despite the fears, clashes didn't take place. People talked with each other.

“We have an agreement with both the Right Sector and the (civilian) self-defense members of Kulikovo Field to extinguish possible provocations,” said Artem Filipenko, local political expert and member of a EuroMaidan self-defense group that supports Ukraine's sovereignty.

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Ukraine servicemen leave Crimea, 8,000 join Russia

All the the Ukrainian servicemen stationed in Crimea were allowed to leave for mainland Ukraine but 8,000 military men stayed and applied for permission to join the Russian army, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said in televised comments on Friday.

Russia annexed the Black Sea peninsula in March after Crimea residents voted overwhelmingly to seek to join Russia. The referendum was called two weeks earlier, coinciding with the military occupation of the region by armed men in unmarked uniforms.

Shoigu on Friday described claims that the Russian army has mistreated Ukrainian servicemen as "improper and provocative." Several senior Ukrainian officers including a military base commander were briefly detained by the Russian forces and kept in custody for several days.

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Duma gives first nod to ban on Nazi rehabilitation

The Russian Lower House has passed the first reading of a bill introducing prison sentences for the public justification of Nazism. The sponsors would like to sign it into law before May 9 – the anniversary of Russia’s victory in WWII.

The bill was approved unanimously on Friday.

“Our country has not simply defended itself. We have defended the whole world from Nazism. Our people suffered the greatest casualties in this war. For us, the rehabilitation of Nazism will always be a crime against our country and our people. Rehabilitation of Nazism is not only a shot fired at the past and mocking millions of victims. It is also a shot fired at the future, an instigation for new crimes against peace and security,”one of the main sponsors of the bill, the head of the Lower House Committee for Security Irina Yarovaya said as she presented the bill to MPs.

Earlier, Yarovaya has told the press that the urge for such a law is especially evident today in times of the violent political crisis in Ukraine launched and supported by radicals and neo-Nazis.

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The new bill, however, has drawn criticism from OSCE's Representative on Freedom of the Media, who said that the narrow application of such a law might lead to its abuse and suppress political and critical speech on issues of history. Russia’s Foreign Ministry blasted this statement as intervention into another nation’s legislative process and the bill’s sponsors said that many foreign nations had similar legislation protecting the historical truth as stated by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

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AP Exclusive: EU to Set up Court for Kosovo Crimes

The European Union plans to set up an international tribunal focusing exclusively on crimes allegedly committed by Kosovo's ethnic Albanian rebels during their war with Serbia, The Associated Press has learned.

Plans for an independent tribunal amount to an admission of failure by the West to hold its ethnic Albanian allies accountable for war crimes. The rebels had the backing of NATO during the war — and the West has staunchly supported Kosovo in its efforts to emerge from the conflict as an independent state. But the ethnic Albanians have also come under increasing pressure from the international community to reckon with their own war crimes, including alleged organ harvesting.

Kosovo declared independence in 2008, and it has been recognized by over 100 nations, although not by Serbia and its ally Russia.

The court is expected to start proceedings by next year, a senior EU official told The Associated Press, adding that the rules and reach of the tribunal are still being discussed with Kosovo authorities.

The court is to be symbolically seated in Kosovo, but most key proceedings such as hearing witness testimony would take place in the Netherlands, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal has yet to be approved by Kosovo's assembly.

Prosecutions of ethnic Albanian rebels — both in Kosovo and at the United Nations war crimes tribunal in the Hague, Netherlands — have been marred by widespread intimidation of witnesses and their families. Former rebels are considered by many Kosovars as heroes who fought for freedom from Serbia. Some 10,000 people died during the 1998-1999 war and about 1,700 are considered missing.

The court, which will be set up and paid for by the EU, is to consider allegations of organ harvesting by the now-disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army rebels as well as the disappearance of some 400 people — most of them Kosovo Serbs — at the end of the war.

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Op vrijdag 4 april 2014 10:30 schreef theNull het volgende:
Een 'top-15' van onwaarschijnlijke geruchten

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MOSCOW, Russia – Edward Snowden, NSA whistleblower and fugitive, released documents Tuesday to Internet Chronicle reporters proving that the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP, is definitively engaged in a program of assassination and mind control.

EMERGENCY UPDATE: Snowden has revealed an oncoming global cataclysm.

While the military prison industrial complex has routinely insisted that the Alaska-based HAARP is only meant to study natural phenomena in earth’s ionosphere, Snowden has managed to blow open a brutally massive charade.

“The HAARP research station,” he said, “strategically based away from prying eyes near Gakona, Alaska, is actually used to terminate or manipulate would-be dissidents of global capitalism on the scale of millions of people.”

Added Snowden, using finger quotes, “With these terrestrial antennas, NATO [the North Atlantic Treaty Organization] is able to, on a global scale, remotely silence ‘perpetrators’ of ‘deviant or subversive’ strains of thought.”

Unbeknownst to victims or their loved ones, HAARP projects ultra-high-powered radio waves. Those waves operate at the same electronic frequency as the truncus encephali, or brain stem, selectively inducing deaths seemingly by natural causes – including by some appearing to coroners as innocuous as strokes or heart attacks.

“When and if the intelligence community doesn’t view outright assassination as an optimal effect,” said Snowden, “‘they’ can simply make a ‘target’ act in an insane fashion, in order to discredit them. When we were in transit between Hong Kong and Moscow, WikiLeaks staff and I had to fend off the constant threat of radio-generated homicidal delusions.”

Quickly ushering staff into his lavish room at Sheremetyevo Airport’s Hotel Novotel, the former NSA contractor began to explain himself. Due to confidentiality agreements with the 30-year-old, formerly of Booz Allen Hamilton, the Chronicle cannot elaborate beyond the point that he has outfitted his entire flat to be a thoroughly functioning Faraday cage.

Snowden’s haphazardly constructed Faraday cage, he claims, can block interference from external static and nonstatic electric fields.

“Without it,” he says, “I would have been dead the moment The Guardian‘s first story went to print.”

Snowden bolstered his testimony with HAARP documents gleaned from the private email accounts of officials as high-ranking as admirals and Air Force brigadier generals. Sources within the intelligence community have confirmed to The Internet Chronicle the authenticity of these documents, as well as their horrifying ramifications for human dignity.

Sources familiar with discussions between the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the University of Alaska, which helps run HAARP, suggested that cell towers, as well as TrapWire, are “in play here.”

Snowden’s testimony appears to be partially in line with that of a U.S. senator’s brother, in 2009. It was then that he, Nick Begich, told “Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura” that “just to affect the brain with emotional state changes is so easily accomplished” with HAARP.

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Op vrijdag 4 april 2014 22:26 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Onwaarschijnlijk?!
De VS destabiliseren landen wereldwijd met behulp van HAARP! De maidan opstand is zo veroorzaakt. Edward Snowden heeft de details onlangs onthuld. HAARP be�nvloedt de hersengolven en kan ingesteld op een hogere energie ook mensen doden!

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http://www.chronicle.su/n(...)assassination-agenda

Bij gebrek aan echt nieuws..
Zijn dit nieuwe smilies btw?

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2014 00:28 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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hahahahahahaha jullie aluhoedjes gaan nu van aluhoedje naar faraday kooi? !!! Raap me op !!!!!

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At the Chronicle.SU, we take truth seriously. We take what we do so seriusly, untruths at chronicle.su are punishable by mutilation or death.

Sadly, chronicle.su is not of this earth. After crash landing in an asteroid December 30th, 1976, the alien husks of Chronicle editors rapidly adapted to Earth climates and bacterial flora. They are able to survive naturally in the wild and reproduce freely.

Here at chronicle.su, we take a liberal stance on drug abuse and theft of intellectual property, but that does not mean we are liberal because liberals are faggots and I ain’t no steer-boatin’ queer!

Receiving tweets twice daily via fax from religious advisers impregnates our right-wing furnace of hate, enabling us to bring you the most horrifyingly sensational headlines you’ve ever seen, or your money back – guaranteed!

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2014 00:52 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Weet niet wie je met "jullie" bedoelt, maar het is een parodie site.

Valt misschien minder op als je via een smartphone op fok zit, dunno. (of was dat iemand anders..)

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2014 10:54 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Interessant artikel over de banden tussen Europees extreemrechts en Moskou: http://www.foreignaffairs(...)utins-western-allies
Het geeft mooi aan hoe hypocriet dat gelul over de fascisten in Oekra�ne is.
(je moet wel even registeren om 3 artikelen gratis per maand te kunnen lezen)

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McDonald's sluit al zijn filialen op de Krim



Fastfoodketen McDonald's heeft vrijdag zijn drie restaurants op de Krim gesloten. Dit is volgens het bedrijf 'puur een zakelijke beslissing, die niets met politiek heeft te maken'. McDonald's zegt dat het opschorten van financi�le- en bankdiensten op de Krim ertoe heeft geleid dat het zijn restaurants op het schiereiland sluit.

De hamburgerketen gaat nu de economische situatie beoordelen om te kijken welke invloed dit heeft op zijn zaken. De restaurants zijn eigendom van McDonald's en geen franchisebedrijven. 'We hopen dat we onze restaurants snel kunnen heropenen zodat we onze trouwe klanten weer kunnen verwelkomen', schrijft McDonald's in een verklaring.

Rusland lijfde de Krim vorige maand in na een in alle haast georganiseerd referendum. Kort daarvoor hadden Russische militairen het grootste deel van het schiereiland al bezet. Oekra�ne en het Westen hebben felle kritiek geuit op de annexatie en noemen die in strijd met de wet.
Bron: AD

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Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike

Ukraine has rejected moves by Russia to almost double the price of Russian gas supplies to the country and threatened legal action.

Ukraine's interim PM, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, said Moscow's hikes were a form of "economic aggression".
His energy minister said Ukraine would try to negotiate a gas deal, but warned that if talks failed Ukrainians should prepare for Russia to cut off supplies. Moscow says the price change is due to Kiev's failure to pay its bills.

Russia's state-controlled company Gazprom has raised the cost of gas to Ukraine by 81% to $485.50 (�292.86, 354.33 euros) from $268.50 for 1,000 cubic metres. The increase comes amid tense diplomatic relations following Moscow's annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

'Unacceptable'

Mr Yatsenyuk said Russia was trying to punish the new leaders in Kiev after last month's removal of the Moscow-backed government of President Viktor Yanukovych.
"Political pressure is unacceptable, and we are not accepting the price of $500," Mr Yatsenyuk told ministers on Saturday. "Russia was unable to seize Ukraine by means of military aggression. Now they are implementing plans to seize Ukraine through economic aggression."

The prime minister said the price Russia was demanding was the highest in Europe, and that Ukraine was prepared to continue to buy at the previous rate of $268.50.

Energy minister Yuriy Prodan said that if no deal was reached, Ukraine would take action at an arbitration court in Stockholm. "We are not trying to break our contract but to set up a fair price," he said, adding that that Ukrainians should prepare for the possibility of supplies to be cut off.

The price increase could also affect gas supplies to Europe, as 40% of Russian gas to the continent travels through Ukraine, says the BBC's David Stern in Kiev. Mr Prodan has said Ukraine would meet its commitments to supply gas to Europe no matter what happened.

'On the edge'

Gazprom says Ukraine's gas debts to Russia stand at just over $1.7bn (�1.02bn). Russia has increasingly pressured Ukraine over its debts since the ousting of President Yanukovych in February. He was removed after months of pro-EU protests. The price increase marks the end of a discount Russia agreed to give Ukraine in December after talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Mr Yanukovych.

Ukraine's interim government said last month it would raise gas prices for domestic consumers by 50% to secure an International Monetary Fund (IMF) aid package. The IMF has made subsidy reform a condition of its deal worth as much as $18bn. Mr Yatsenyuk earlier told parliament the country was "on the edge of economic and financial bankruptcy".

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2014 11:10 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Er zijn heel veel documentaires ook over extreem rechts in rusland. En wat dacht je van extremisme in de regering (putin) die persvrijheid niet toe laat?

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The 20 Russian News Outlets You Need To Read Before They Get The Ax

pro-Kremlin political news site says it has developed a computer algorithm to determine which media outlets are the most anti-Russian.

The politonline.ru website, part of the Pravda.ru media holding, says it has created a special system that vets media content for suggestive words and phrasing that cast the Russian state and its actions in Ukraine in a negative light.

The system, among other things, is programmed to red-flag terms like "annexation," "Anschluss," and "little green men" -- a reference to the insignia-free "self-defense" troops that suddenly appeared in Crimea during Russia's militarized takeover.

The result is Russia's first top-20 list of the most "anti-Russian" news outlets, based on a qualitative analysis of the politically heated month of March, and published on politonline.ru on March 31.

1. Ekho Moskvy
2. Dozhd TV
3. Novaya gazeta
4. The New Times
5. Newsru.com
6. Radio Svoboda (radio free europe/radio liberty)
7. RIA "New Region"
8. Slon.ru
9. RBK and RBK daily
10. Vedomosti
11. Snob
12. Rosbalt
13. Grani.ru
14. Yezhednevny zhurnal
15. Lenta.ru
16. Kommersant
17. Russky Zhurnal
18. Russian Forbes
19. Znack.com
20. Moskovskiye novosti

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Dozhd, which has given airtime to anti-Putin punk rockers Pussy Riot and opposition leader Alexey Navalny, came under fire after a poll on its website last month asked whether Soviet dictator Josef Stalin should have surrendered Leningrad to end a Nazi blockade. Amid outrage by veterans’ associations and pro-government lawmakers, the biggest cable operators said they would drop the channel, cutting its audience to about 2 million from almost 18 million.

Now Ekho Moskvy is feeling the heat through Gazprom Media, a unit of state-run OAO Gazprom, its majority owner since 2001 and the biggest media company in Russia. Its CEO was replaced by the Gazprom Media candidate against the wishes of editorial workers itself, Venediktov said.

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A large-scale air-lift of food into the city could have saved many lives, though it would have diverted planes from the military campaign. And while thousands were dying every day, news about Leningrad's ordeal was totally censored.

Nonetheless, the Soviet authorities got supplies through to the starving city, got people out, kept morale from collapsing, and eventually lifted the siege. Some of the credit for this belongs to Stalin. What is also certain is that Leningrad's fate would have been far worse had the city fallen to the Nazis.

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Kiselyov lashed out at a controversial commentary by Ekho Moskvy journalist Viktor Shenderovich that compared the Sochi Winter Games to the 1936 Berlin Olympics hosted by Hitler as a similar propaganda exercise.

Ekho Moskvy “makes liberalism so unattractive that it literally scares people off,” he said. Venediktov in a blog post refused to apologize, saying the radio station doesn’t exercise self-censorship.

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Yeah, very powerless people. [laughs] He's such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What—are you kidding? I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?

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Now America is reappraising the battlefield, delaying the war against Iraq, maybe a week and rewriting the war plan. The first plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance. Now they are trying to write another plan… So our reports about civilian casualties here, about the resistance of the Iraqi forces, are going back to the United States. It helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments.

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Pro-Russische betogers bestormen overheidsgebouw Donetsk

Pro-Russische actievoerders hebben in de stad Donetsk in het oosten van Oekra�ne het gebouw van de regionale overheid bestormd en ruiten ingegooid.

Dat melden lokale media zondag.

De actievoerders wisten het gebouw binnen te komen en hingen een Russische vlag op het balkon van de tweede verdieping. Dat gebeurde terwijl voor het gebouw de menigte 'Rusland' scandeerde.
Ongeveer vijfhonderd politiemensen lieten de actievoerders volgens ooggetuigen hun gang gaan.

Leninplein
De ongeregeldheden volgden op een vreedzame demonstratie van zo'n tweeduizend mensen op het centrale Leninplein die willen dat de regio zich aansluit bij Rusland. Donetsk is de thuisstad van de afgezette pro-Russische president Viktor Janoekovitsj.

Ook in Loegansk en Charkov vonden demonstraties tegen de regering in Kiev plaats. In Charkov deden ongeveer 1.500 mensen mee.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 19:51 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
Nasty stuff:

http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)ld-en-vermoord.dhtml

Die destabilisatie blijft doorgaan...we krijgen straks natuurlijk de aanloop naar de verkiezingen... Poetin wacht zijn kans gewoon af...

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 20:21 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Zeg je dat Putin of een pro-russische groep verantwoordelijk is?

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‘Darth Vader’ niet langer kandidaat presidentsverkiezingen Oekra�ne

De man die zich als 'Darth Vader' kleedde en zich zo noemde, doet niet langer mee aan de presidentsverkiezingen van Oekra�ne.

De registratie voor het verkiezingsprogramma is niet geaccepteerd, omdat men de partij verdenkt van vervalsing van documenten. Dat schrijft de Britse nieuwssite Metro zondag.

De partij liet vorige week tijdens een persconferentie in hoofdstad Kiev weten dat leider Darth Vader alle documenten had aangeleverd om mee te kunnen doen aan de verkiezingen van 25 mei. Maar nu verdenkt men 'Darth Vader' ervan te hebben gelogen over zijn naam.

Ook werd even gedacht dat 'Darth Vader' een truc van Rusland was om de verkiezingen in de war te brengen.

Het is geen goedkope truc, een inschrijving om mee te doen aan de verkiezingen in Oekra�ne kost meer dan anderhalve ton, schrijft Metro.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 20:21 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Zeg je dat Putin of een pro-russische groep verantwoordelijk is?

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 19:51 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
Nasty stuff:

http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)ld-en-vermoord.dhtml

Die destabilisatie blijft doorgaan...we krijgen straks natuurlijk de aanloop naar de verkiezingen... Poetin wacht zijn kans gewoon af...

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 20:35 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Wie anders? Means, motive and opportunity.

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Regering vreest herhaling Krim-scenario in Donetsk
Interim-president Oleksandr Toertsjinov heeft zijn geplande reis naar Litouwen afgezegd vanwege de gebeurtenissen van vanmiddag in Donetsk en Loehansk. Hij overlegt met de veiligheidsdiensten. ''Het lijkt erg op het Krim-scenario'', meent Oleksandr Litvinenko, plaatsvervangend hoofd van de Nationale Veiligheidsraad. ''We zoeken naar wegen om herhaling te voorkomen.''

In Donetsk namen 200 pro-Russische activisten vanmiddag bezit van het provinciehuis dat zij alleen willen verlaten als het provinciebestuur voor middernacht besluit om een referendum te houden. In Loehansk hebben activisten het gebouw van de staatsveiligheidsdienst SBU bezet. In Charkiv en Odessa waren vandaag bovendien pro-Russische betogingen.

Minister Arsen Avakov van Binnenlandse Zaken beschuldigt zowel de Russische president Vladimir Poetin als de afgezette Oekra�ense president Viktor Janoekovitsj er van dat zij ''deze nieuwe golf van separatistische onrust aansturen en financieren''. Volgens Avakov gaat het steeds om een bescheiden aantal mensen. ''Maar ze zijn buitengewoon agressief.''

De minister heeft ook geconstateerd dat de bezetters van de overheidsgebouwen in Donetsk en Loehansk veel vrouwen en kinderen mee nemen. ''Ze zijn uit op een bloedbad.'' Hij heeft de politie opgedragen om geweld achterwege te laten.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 21:36 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Het is een catch 22: als ze ingrijpen kan het een excuus zijn voor Poetin om binnen te vallen, als ze niks doen kan hij roepen dat ze het niet in de hand hebben en dan valt hij alsnog binnen...

Zo begon het op de Krim ook...

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 20:35 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Wie anders? Means, motive and opportunity.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 21:41 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Als de NAVO de druk nog wat extra opvoert zal Poetin niet met��n binnenvallen denk ik.

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Na Donetsk en Loehansk ook bezetting in Charkiv
Pro-Russische activisten hebben vanavond ook het provinciehuis in de stad Charkiv bezet. Dat meldt het persbureau Reuters. Eerder vandaag werden al het provinciehuis in Donetsk en het gebouw van de staatsveiligheidsdienst in Loehansk bezet. De bezetters eisen dat voor middernacht wordt besloten tot een referendum over de vraag of het oosten van Oekra�ne zich net als de Krim bij Rusland gevoegd moet worden.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:17 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Overal dezelfde eis... Dat spreekt toch wel tegen het feit dat het spontane acties zijn...

twitter:

BBCSteveR twitterde op zondag 06-04-2014 om 21:19:54 We've seen local gov buildings seized before in Eastern Ukraine. But tonight's events there look like attempt to repeat Crimea scenario. reageer retweet

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:06 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Op welke wijze voert de NAVO de druk op?

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:33 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Troepenopbouw in Polen, Baltische staten, Finland, Roemeni� en Turkije. Actie = reactie

Rusland heeft ook een troepenopbouw aan de grens met Oekra�ne, deze 'demonstranten' voelen zich op deze manier gesteund door Rusland.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:40 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Die troepenopbouw voert druk op de verkeerde plaats op. Het geeft Putin een extra argument om een eventuele inval in Oekraine te rechtvaardigen bij z'n eigen bevolking.

En de NAVO heeft eerder al aangegeven dat ze waarschijnlijk niet zouden ingrijpen in Oekraine.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 23:10 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:
Wanneer start die invasie?

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 01:19 schreef Romanus het volgende:
Maakt toch niet uit want de VS laten een staat echt niet gaan

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 23:59 schreef Linkse_Boomknuffelaar het volgende:

Ik hoop het voor ze uiteraard dat het ze lukt om toegelaten te worden tot Rusland, maar Geenstijl neem ik niet heel erg serieus.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:11 schreef theNull het volgende:

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 22:17 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Overal dezelfde eis... Dat spreekt toch wel tegen het feit dat het spontane acties zijn...

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Op zaterdag 5 april 2014 11:58 schreef Woestijnvos het volgende:

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Obama zal er wel iets mee te maken hebben.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 08:33 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Hoezo geen persvrijheid?

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http://www.rferl.org/cont(...)he-axe/25317371.html
(geen zin om alle links erin te zetten, zie de bron voor 8 tot 20..)

Nummer 1, Ekho Moskvy (Echo of Moskow) (de in Moskou gevestigde zender, niet die in Petersburg waar de staff ontslag nam) is voor 66% in handen van Gazprom Media.

De zender oogste in januari van dit jaar een storm van verontwaardiging toen ze een poll organiseerden over het beleg van Leningrad:

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http://www.bloomberg.com/(...)rgeted-after-tv.html
Het beleg van Leningrad begon op 8 september 1941 en eindigde op 27 januari 1944; meer dan een miljoen Russen kwamen om, de meesten door ondervoeding. Het is daarmee het meest dodelijke beleg uit de geschiedenis. Hitler had bij aanvang reeds besloten dat Leningrad van de aardbodem moest verdwijnen en het bevel gegeven dat een eventuele kapitulatie niet aanvaard mocht worden.

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Kapitulatie zou dus neerkomen op het laten afslachten van heel de bevolking. Dat zo'n vraag op de 70ste verjaardag van de bevrijding van Leningrad negatieve racties oproept was te voorspellen. Maar in de Westerse pers werd het weeral voorgesteld als een georkestreerde actie van het Kremlin om de pers te muilkorven. Zoals bvb in de Washington Post:

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In de commentaren blijken heel wat lezers van de WP wel op de hoogte van de feiten te zijn. Moet ik nu werkelijk geloven dat Will Englund, correspondent in Moskou sinds 2010 en in de jaren '90 voor de Baltimore Sun, die wel een reeks reacties op Facebook en andere sites opsomt, dat hij die feiten nergens tegengekomen is? Is het toeval dat hij naar BBC New Trending linkt, en niet naar bvb BBC history pagina over Leningrad, waar te lezen valt:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/hist(...)ad_betrayal_01.shtml

Kritiek kwam er ook toen ��n van hun journalisten de olympische winterspelen vergeleek met de Olympische Spelen van 1936 in Berlijn. De hoofdredacteur weigerde excuses aan te bieden omdat het radiostation niet aan zelf-censuur doet.

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Ter vergelijking, CNN ontsloeg Rick Sanchez omdat hij als gast in een radioshow (Sirius XM) Jon Stewart van Comedy Central een bigot noemde en vervolgens zei:

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Peter Arnett was in 2003 in opdracht van NBC en National geographic in Irak en werd op 31 maart door de Iraakse staatsTV ge�nterviewd. Hij zei toen:

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Een dag later werd hij ontslagen door NBC, MSNBC en National Geographic.

Drew Johnson, van een lokale krant, ontslagen voor een editorial met de titel “Take Your Jobs Plan and Shove it, Mr. President”
http://benswann.com/journ(...)ive-obama-editorial/

Berlusconi beheerst 90% van de media, ofwel rechtstreeks omdat hij eigenaar is, ofwel onrechtsreeks omdat z'n familie Publitalia bezit, het bedrijf dat 60% van de reclame op TV beheert. Na zijn "Bulgaars edikt" in 2002 (The use that Biagi – what's the name of the other one? Santoro, but the other one ... Luttazzi – have made of public television, paid with everyone's money, is criminal. I believe that it is a precise duty of the new management [of RAI] to not allow more what has happened.) verdwenen de personen waarover hij sprak van het scherm.

Gilligan's claim dat Blair & co de dreiging van Irak hadden overdreven in het September Dossier leidde tot het ontslag van zowel de chairman als de director general van de BBC.

In Vlaanderen mag een programma over Hitler's lievelingsgerecht niet uitgezonden worden, in Rusland vergelijkt men Putin's winterspelen met Hitler in 1936, en weigert men daarna excuses aan te bieden. En dat op een zender waarvan de staat mede-eigenaar is (via Gazprombank, de eigenaar van Gazprom Media ). Lijkt me dat de persvrijheid in Rusland nog niet helemaal is verdwenen.

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Op zondag 6 april 2014 21:41 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

Laatste filmpje van Vice News gezien?
Het hoofdkwartier van Pravy Sektor wordt ontruimd door de oproerpolitie, Andriy Parubiy van Svoboda heeft de leiding. Wat men over die oproerpolitie denkt blijkt wel uit de woorden van de priester van Pravy Sektor: "I wonder who issued an order for the police and these bandits to show up here again like during Yanukovich's rule." Right Sector wordt op de bus gezet, moet z'n wapens achterlaten.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 01:32 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
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Bij voorbaat dank.

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Darth Vader wordt geen president


^{maandag 7 apr 2014, 05:52 (Update: 07-04-14, 07:46)}


De Oekra�ense Darth Vader


De Oekra�ense Darth Vader mag niet meedoen aan de verkiezingen die in mei worden gehouden. De autoriteiten weigeren hem op de lijst te zetten, omdat ze twijfelen aan de geldigheid van zijn documenten.

De man dook de afgelopen maanden geregeld op bij de protesten in Kiev. Verkleed als het personage uit Star Wars demonstreerde hij mee op het Onafhankelijkheidsplein.

De Oekra�ense Internetpartij schoof hem daarna naar voren als presidentskandidaat. De man schreef zich in als Darth Vader en betaalde het inschrijfgeld van omgerekend 165.000 euro. Hij zei dat hij Oekra�ne wil veranderen in een "Galactic Empire" (een term uit de Star Wars-filmreeks).

Elektricien
Naar nu blijkt gaat onder het zwarte kostuum een elektricien genaamd Viktor Sjevtsjenko schuil. Vorige maand veranderde hij zijn naam in Darth Vader.

Een lid van de kiescommissie suggereerde eerder dat de presidenti�le campagne van de elektricien een truc is van Rusland. De Russische autoriteiten zouden de verkiezingen in Oekra�ne in diskrediet willen brengen.

NOS.nl

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 10:08 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)nnen-te-vallen.dhtml

oost-oekraine word gewoon geannexeerd net als de krim

duurd niet lang meer 3 maanden misschien

er is ook een oekrainer doodgeschoten door een rus ofzo

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Russische soldaten op de Krim hebben een Oekra�ense marineofficier doodgeschoten.
Foto: EPA

Dit hebben de plaatselijke autoriteiten op de Krim maandag laten weten.

Vijf mannen drongen een kazerne met Russische soldaten binnen en er werd geschoten toen de indringers wapens wilden stelen. Een van de indringers is gedood en een andere raakte gewond. De resterende drie konden ontkomen.

Oekra�ense bronnen geven een andere lezing. De doodgeschoten man zou een Oekra�ense officier zijn die er verbleef in afwachting van zijn vertrek uit de Krim. Hij zou door Russische soldaten zijn gedood bij een ruzie in de priv�sfeer.

De overname in maart van de Oekra�ense Krim door Rusland is vrijwel zonder bloedvergieten verlopen.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 10:08 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)nnen-te-vallen.dhtml

oost-oekraine word gewoon geannexeerd net als de krim

duurd niet lang meer 3 maanden misschien

er is ook een oekrainer doodgeschoten door een rus ofzo

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 09:33 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Dit inderdaad ook... In de situatie van Kosovo was er aan Servische zijde altijd de angst dat Kosovo zich zou aansluiten bij Albani�, er zijn destijds ook garanties gegeven dat dat niet zou gebeuren. Seperatisten willen hun eigen toko, niet aansluiten bij andermans toko. Ik vraag me af in hoeverre het hier om beroepsprovocateurs gaat...

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 11:44 schreef marsmello het volgende:
Iemand een idee wat de NAVO heeft klaarstaan qua schepen en vliegtuigen etc?
Duitsland wou 6 vliegtuigen sturen maar die komen pas op 1 Mei aan in Polen??

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WaterdrinkerP twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 12:44:49 Volksrepubliek Donetsk vraagt Poetin om militaire bijstand. We zijn verdomme terug bij af... reageer retweet

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djmoskou twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 13:29:26 In Charkov zijn Maidan-mensen en pro-Russen elkaar met flessen en honkbalknuppels te lijf gegaan. Er is een onbekend aantal gewonden. reageer retweet

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:15 schreef poemojn het volgende:

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http://www.ibtimes.com/uk(...)an-war-games-1560344
Nog niet veel concrete getallen maar ik denk dat je rustig kunt stellen dat de Navo er in de minderheid is.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 12:39 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Gewoon afknallen die mensen?? Het zijn toch geen demonstraties op een plein maar illegale praktijken met wapens????

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Ukraine crisis: Protesters declare Donetsk 'republic'

Pro-Russian protesters who seized the regional government building in Donetsk, Ukraine are reported to have declared a "people's republic".

Footage online showed a Russian speaker telling the assembly "I proclaim the creation of the sovereign state of the People's Republic of Donetsk."

The rebels are reported to have called a referendum on forming a new republic.

Earlier on Monday, protesters seized state security buildings in both Donetsk and Luhansk.

The Luhansk security building's weapons arsenal was raided, police say.

BBC correspondents in Ukraine report that the separatists who proclaimed an independent republic were not local councillors. The protesters want to hold a referendum by 11 May.

The Donetsk's regional government building was seized on Sunday, along with another in Kharkiv, also in Ukraine's east.

Protesters broke into Donetsk's regional government building, and another in Kharkiv, on Sunday. Ukrainian authorities say protesters have now left the government building in Kharkiv.

Unconfirmed reports by Ukrainian news agency Unian also say gunmen tried to storm a Donetsk TV building on Monday, but were deterred by police.

At an emergency Cabinet meeting, interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk blamed Russia for the seizures.

"The plan is to destabilise the situation, the plan is for foreign troops to cross the border and seize the country's territory, which we will not allow,'' he said, adding that people engaged in the unrest have distinct Russian accents.

He said Russian troops remain stationed within 30 kilometres (19 miles) of the frontier. The city of Luhansk is just 25 kilometres (15 miles) west of Russia.

Reinforcements

Police have blocked roads into Luhansk and armed reinforcements are being sent to the restive cities.

Officials said Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council Secretary Andriy Parubiy and Security Service chief Valentyn Nalyvaychenko have been sent to the city.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov had already arrived in Kharkiv, and First Deputy Prime Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema is on his way to Donetsk, a spokeswoman said.

She said they had "all the authority necessary to take action against separatism."

Ukraine's interim President Olexander Turchynov cancelled a visit to Lithuania to deal with the unfolding events.

The crisis has heightened nervousness in many other eastern European states, with Czech President Milos Zeman saying Nato should deploy troops in Ukraine if Russia invades.

"If Russia decides to extend its territorial expansion to eastern Ukraine, the fun is over," he told Czech public radio on Sunday.

Tensions have escalated in eastern Ukraine in recent weeks. Russia is consolidating its grip on Crimea, annexed by Moscow last month, and thousands of Russian troops remain massed near the Ukrainian border.

Crimea death

The latest developments come as Ukraine's defence ministry said a Russian soldier had killed a Ukrainian military officer still loyal to Kiev in eastern Crimea late on Sunday.

Another Ukrainian officer present is reported to have been beaten and detained by Russian troops in Sunday's incident in the small town of Novofyodorovka.

The circumstances of the incident are unclear.

A Ukrainian defence ministry spokesman said the soldier had been preparing his belongings to leave Crimea in a few days, when an argument broke out with Russian servicemen. He was then shot twice on the fifth floor of the dormitory where he lived.

But Russian media reports said a group of Ukrainian soldiers had been drinking and were on their way home when they passed Russian soldiers guarding an entry to the military base where they previously worked, prompting an argument between the two groups.

Russian news agencies reported that prosecutors have opened a criminal investigation into the death.

'Destructive' NGOs

On Monday, President Vladimir Putin told the FSB security service to be on the alert against militant attacks and said Russia must not let non-governmental organisations be used for "destructive" purposes "as in Ukraine".

Also on Monday, Russia's consumer protection agency said it had suspended imports from six Ukrainian dairy producers, after finding their products violated regulations during laboratory tests.

Last week Ukraine temporarily suspended seven Russian food companies from selling products on Ukrainian territory.

Cheese accounts for 0.5% of Ukraine's total exports and is Ukraine's 10th largest export to Russia, according to analysts at securities firm Nomura.

Eastern Ukraine was the political heartland of Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian president who fled to Russia in February after months of protests.

About half of the region's residents are ethnic Russians, many of whom believe Ukraine's acting authorities are extreme Ukrainian nationalists who will oppress Russians - a claim Kiev denies.

Russia has moved large numbers of troops to areas near the Ukrainian border, and has asserted its right to intervene in Ukraine in order to protect the rights of ethnic Russians there.

Since Crimea held a secession referendum - before being formally annexed by Russia - there have been calls for similar votes in Ukraine's east.

Russia has branded the new leadership in Kiev illegitimate. The crisis is the biggest standoff between Moscow and the West since the end of the Cold War.

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W7VOA twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 13:48:25 MT @SwedeninATOSCE Ominous signs: E. Ukraine provocations & strong Russian military presence close to border, journalists forced to leave reageer retweet

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:52 schreef theNull het volgende:

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W7VOA twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 13:48:25 MT @SwedeninATOSCE Ominous signs: E. Ukraine provocations & strong Russian military presence close to border, journalists forced to leave reageer retweet

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transparency and confidence building require good faith and respect for #OSCE principles, now massively violated in/around #UnitedForUkraine

Ambassador Apakan new Head of the #OSCE Special Monitoring Mission faces most important task hindering further escalation in/around #Ukraine

Ominous signs: provocations in East Ukraine and strong Russian military presence close to the border, journalists forced to leave the area!

@OCSE Vienna Doc important csbm by way of transparency, much needed in present crisis. Lack of Russian info deeply worrying. What's next?

UPDATE: Total number of staff in Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine is now 96, staff from 37 OSCE member states http://www.osce.org/ukrainemonitoring …

Crisis #OSCE meeting re unusual Russian military activities. No signs of de-escalation, Russia refuses to come to meeting. Deeply worrying!

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:52 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Wat zouden jullie trouwens doen als je in de schoenen stond van de Oekra�ense machthebbers?

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:52 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Wat zouden jullie trouwens doen als je in de schoenen stond van de Oekra�ense machthebbers?

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Earlier on Monday, protesters seized state security buildings in both Donetsk and Luhansk.

The Luhansk security building's weapons arsenal was raided, police say.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 08:34 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 15:25 schreef MartijnUK het volgende:
Leest er hier iemand over dit onderwerp in de comments op nu.nl?
Wat ik daar telkens zie is vrij beangstigend, zitten er daar zo veel Russen die Putin steunen of is het een of ander Pro-Russisch bolwerk? Recht praten wat krom is tot in de oneindigheid

Enge ontwikkeling dit ook weer in Donetsk

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 15:29 schreef Frutsel het volgende:
Of zijn het die Russische soldaten in burger, die dus eigenlijk niet Russisch zijn, maar "onbekenden " die voorheen de Krim hadden bezet en nu in Donetsk of Charkov de zaak verderop de spits drijven en zich voordoen als "demonstrant"?

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 15:25 schreef MartijnUK het volgende:
Leest er hier iemand over dit onderwerp in de comments op nu.nl?
Wat ik daar telkens zie is vrij beangstigend, zitten er daar zo veel Russen die Putin steunen of is het een of ander Pro-Russisch bolwerk? Recht praten wat krom is tot in de oneindigheid

Enge ontwikkeling dit ook weer in Donetsk

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 15:50 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:

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Nee, gewoon mensen met uiteenlopende politieke opvattingen (o.a het anti-EU/extreemrechts volk; de alu-hoedjes) die om verschillende redenen pro-Poetin zijn.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:52 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Wat zouden jullie trouwens doen als je in de schoenen stond van de Oekra�ense machthebbers?

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Ukrainian Rada might introduce state of emergency in #Donetsk, #Lugansk, #Kharkiv regions, draft registered

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 08:24 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Een hoop whataboutism en rusissche bronnen. Feit is dat de laatste vrije nieuwszender over gekocht was door de staat. Enough said.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 15:55 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk

Nu dan toch actie vanuit Kiev?

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Water and electricity supplies cut off in taken over buildings in #Kharkiv and #Lugano, reports @SvobodaRadio #Ukraine

Fighters over #Donetsk, #Ukraine defence ministry says a part of military training - via “@skhakirov pic.twitter.com/0MIcMlaA6D

Ukrainian Rada might introduce state of emergency in #Donetsk, #Lugansk, #Kharkiv regions, draft registered

Acting president Turchynov promises 'anti-terrorist' measures against separatists,says police from other regions to arrive to East #Ukraine

UnIDed men opened fire from machine guns near #Donetsk state TV channel. Police managed to stop an attempt to seize the bldng, via @ostro_v

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Interpreter_Mag twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 15:40:07 Ukraine: Kiev scrambles jets, may declare state of emergency. Donetsk city council rejects separatists' council http://t.co/nI7klDOA3q reageer retweet

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WaterdrinkerP twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 16:14:27 Pravi Sektor, Rechtse Sektor in Kiev, verklaart oorlog aan Rusland... https://t.co/ubOrgtygHU reageer retweet

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 16:54 schreef theNull het volgende:

Пряма трансляція www.radiosvoboda.org, мітинги у Харкові на площі Свободи

Kharkiv live

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 13:47 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:

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Goed plan als het doel is om een Russische invasie te bewerkstelligen.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 16:01 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Hoezo whataboutism, vind jij dat de voorbeelden die ik gaf inbreuken op de persvrijheid waren? Ik geef slechts een voorbeeld dat de Westerse pers aanhaalt als bewijs voor de bedreiging van de persvrijheid, argumenteer dat men in het Westen misschien strenger zou optreden (daarom ook de voorbeelden), maar nergens beweer ik dat het Westen in die gevallen de persvrijheid beknot.

Als een vergelijking van gehanteerde normen ook afgedaan wordt met "whataboutism", dan is het makkelijk: post iemand gewoon een hoop Russische kritieken op Westerse schendingen van mensenrechten en wacht op de eerste poster die reageert met schendingen door de Russen.
Iedereen die Putin hypocriet noemt als hij het over neo-nazi's en fascisten heeft, "want in Rusland/ op de Krim/wherever...": whataboutism!
"Rusland klaagt over fascisten maar alle Westerse waarnemers van het referendum kwamen uit extreem-rechtse kringen": whataboutism!

Welke Russische bronnen bedoel je trouwens, Radio Free Europe, Bloomberg, BBC, Neue Z�rger Zeitung, Washington Post, wikipedia of benswann.com? Ze vermelden russische media, dat maakt ze nog geen russische bronnen.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 16:14 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Ik vraag me wel af hoeveel tijd jij hebt om al die bronnen bij elkaar te krijgen... De digitale variant van zo'n muur met krantenartikelen hahaha

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 16:54 schreef theNull het volgende:

Пряма трансляція www.radiosvoboda.org, мітинги у Харкові на площі Свободи

Kharkiv live

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 18:25:02 #Kharkiv 7.20pm, separatists throwing firecrackers at people! @evgenijevgik |PR Post #Ukraine http://t.co/Y6IsGNIK3M reageer retweet

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 18:31:37 An attack on #Euromaidan activists in #Kharkiv is going on now. Gunshots are heard. http://t.co/a5zG9tnYm9 @EuroMaydan | PR News #Ukraine reageer retweet

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:04 schreef sonnyspek het volgende:
Wat zijn jullie verwachtingen voor de komende weken?

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:06 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Rusland wacht eerst nog even rustig af tot de boel nog verder destabiliseert en maakt ondertussen verdere voorbereidingen voor een invasie in de oostelijke delen.

Het Russische leger moet als een soort 'bevrijder van de chaos' ontvangen worden in Oost-Oekra�ne.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:06 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Rusland wacht eerst nog even rustig af tot de boel nog verder destabiliseert en maakt ondertussen verdere voorbereidingen voor een invasie in de oostelijke delen.

Het Russische leger moet als een soort 'bevrijder van de chaos' ontvangen worden in Oost-Oekra�ne.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:09 schreef corkydiggles het volgende:

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Dat^ alleen niet helemaal dat Rusland rustig afwacht en niks doet, maar draagt hun steentje bij aan het coordineren van het destabiliseren van oekraine.
paar betaalde demonstranten sturen bijv

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:10 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Ik gok dat dit een fatale misrekening gaat worden van de Russen. Hoe meer ze de regering in Kiev onder druk zetten, hoe groter de kans dat Right Sector en andere malle clubjes het recht in eigen hand nemen.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:12 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Deste meer reden om Oekra�ne te bezetten en 'te ondoen van rechtse nationalisten' en 'het land te stabiliseren'.

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:16 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Tja, nu is het voor de Russen nog leuk. Een beetje met de WW2 uniformen en Stalin vlaggetjes wapperen, maar als de eigen soldaten straks in body bags naar huis komen, omdat de bevolking van Oekra�ne niet bij Rusland wil horen dan is het een heel ander verhaal.

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WaterdrinkerP twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 19:18:11 Het Russische tv-kanaal stookt vuur in Oost-Oekraine hoog op. Teneur: Russen daar smeken om bij Moskou te komen. Het is complete hysterie. reageer retweet

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obk twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 19:23:11 De vlucht Moskou - Donetsk is vandaag geannuleerd. Geen goed teken. Gelukkig zitten @RolandOliphant en ik in de trein reageer retweet

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Putin's Attack On Ukraine Began Today: What This Means For Europe And The US

Vladimir Putin had to act before the Ukrainian presidential election of May 25, at which time his narrative of neo-Nazis and nationalist extremists in charge of Ukraine would vanish into thin air. Even Putin’s genius spin meisters could not portray a President Poroshenko from ex-boxer Klitschko’s UDAR party as a wild eyed extremist, nor could they whitewash the trivial vote for rightist candidates, although they would try.

Putin’s anti-Ukraine propaganda juggernaut rests squarely on the single fiction of a neo-Nazi, Jew-hating, extreme nationalist government in Kiev. If Putin waits out the election, his anti-Ukraine disinformation campaign directed to his Russian, southeastern Ukrainian, and Western audiences loses its credibility, even in receptive leftist quarters in the West.

True to expectations, Putin began today a coordinated attack on Eastern Ukraine and parts of Moldavia.

The Russian assault’s first covert phase aims for the utter and complete destabilization of key cities that lie near the eastern border. As I write, mobs, directed by Russian special ops forces, FSB operatives, and local thugs are directing rent-a-crowds in Lugansk, Donetsk, and Kharkiv to storm public buildings, rough-up unarmed security forces, and demand referendums to join Mother Russia. As a slight variation, Donetsk demonstrators demand a “free republic.” The propaganda machine is at work full force. Babushkas are brought before the cameras to plead that all they want is peace and to be together with their brothers and sisters in Russia. They are sincere, but they serve the interests of their masked puppet masters lurking in the background.

Russia’s economic destabilization program began weeks or even months ago. Russian businesses cancelled their contracts with companies in Donetsk and Kharkiv. Desperate employees are going without pay. Russian propaganda is wafting a siren song about the prosperity that awaits them if they join Russia.

Putin’s destabilization campaign will take a week or so to complete. The covert phase will culminate with the deaths of demonstrators, supposedly at the hands of Ukrainian security forces, but actually by Russian snipers. (With luck increasingly violent demonstrations may yield fatalities without the help of rifles with telescopic lenses). Russian TV cameras will show scores of bandaged civilians sporting bloody wounds. The beleaguered “local” secessionists will issue prepared pleas to Putin to save them from the crazed Ukrainian extremists.

Remember, Putin already has authority from his rubber-stamp parliament to deploy Russian armed forces into East Ukraine. Russian troops amassed along the border can reach their targets in matters of hours. This is not rocket science, and it has already been perfected in Crimea. Assuming the role of true humanitarian, Putin will lament that he has no choice but to save Ukraine. Someone has to restore order before the whole place goes up in flames. He will not allow such atrocities in his back yard. That’s the kind of macho man he is.

In the campaign’s second overt phase, Russian troops, amassed on the border, will heed the call of their endangered brethren. The incoming Russian troops will be met with staged jubilation, the waving of Russian flags, brass bands blaring, and the referendums will be held, as in Crimea, under the watchful eye of Russian Kalashnikovs. International observers will either be banned or Russian forces will carefully monitor their every move. The new puppet “leaders” of East Ukraine regions will have the honor of sitting next to Putin himself in the Grand Kremlin hall as they sign annexation agreements. Putin may even bring in the discredited Yanukovich as the “legitimate” president of all Ukraine. On May 25, Ukraine may have two presidents.

Ukraine and the West will be confronted with this tragic fait accomplis in the next couple of weeks. It will be too late for the West to do anything other than to babble about enhanced sanctions and warn of further isolation of Russia. The transitional government of Ukraine will have to proceed with a presidential election that excludes its annexed Eastern portions. Putin knows that possession is 99 percent of the law. He has achieved part of his dream. The metallurgical heart of the former Soviet Union has been restored to its rightful place. Now it’s time to turn to Belarus, Moldavia, Georgia, Armenia, and even Kazakhstan.

The West may not understand what is going on. The die-hards will continue to argue to their last breath that Putin really only wanted Crimea and why not let him have it.

Putin apologists will contend that these coordinated demonstrations are really spontaneous, that the Kremlin has nothing to do with them, and express gratitude for Putin’s armed intervention. After all, someone had to save Ukraine from disaster.

Kiev understands all too well. The acting prime minister has informed the people of Ukraine that they face the deepest crisis of their lives. He has warned them that the Russian plan “is an attempt to destroy Ukrainian statehood, a script which has been written in the Russian Federation, the aim of which is to divide and destroy Ukraine and turn part of Ukraine into a slave territory under the dictatorship of Russia.”

Those under the attack of jackals better understand what is about to happen to them than spectators to the event. Kazakhstan is already moving native Kazakhs to the North to dilute the Russian population’s share. Unlikely allies – Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and Kazakhstan – have begun consultations. They know the jackals are circling.

If Europe and the United States truly understand what Putin has planned, will they continue to refrain from meaningful preventative action, in the little time before they are presented with a fait accomplis?

These leaders must shortly decide whether Putin will be the leader of a regional or world power. Are they to be trusted?.

Annexing Crimea, the West decided, did not threaten vital interests. Russia annexing half of Ukraine is a different matter. Will such a threat stir Europe and the United States to action? That, to quote Shakespeare, is the question.

In effect, Europe and the West are being confronted with two visions of the world.

In one, Russia remains, using Obama’s term, a regional power. With its nuclear arsenal, energy production, and security council veto, it can continue to play a spoiler role throughout the world as the United States’ number one geopolitical enemy, to use Mitt Romney’s words. Russia will be our nemesis in Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Cuba, and any other trouble spots it can stir up. If the West and the United States limit Putin to annexation of Crimea, we get this first version of the world.

In the second, Putin succeeds in taking southeastern Ukraine, leaving a mortally wounded West Ukraine, whose sole interest is survival. The Baltic states might be spared because of the NATO shield. But the other states of the former Soviet Union understand that they are completely at the mercy of Putin’s Russia. They will either be annexed (Moldavia, Georgia, Belarus, and perhaps Kazakhstan), or they become vassals of Russia, clearing their every move with Putin. Russia now controls the energy resources not only of Russia but of all Central Asia. The emboldened Putin is free to explore new areas for trouble making and intervention, knowing that no one is prepared to face up to a powerful bully.

We have a choice of the two scenarios right now. We will not have a choice in a very short while. What is our answer?

A bold answer would consist of the following measures:

First, immediate joint NATO exercises in Ukraine itself and in the Baltic States.

Second, flood East and South Ukraine with a thousand international observers to provide detailed reports on demonstrations, civil right abuses, and interference with the presidential elections campaign.

Third, immediate delivery of vital weapons (not lunch boxes) by the United States.

Fourth, Europe and the United States vastly expand sanctions of individuals in Putin’s internal circle including Mr. Putin himself.

Fifth, financial guarantees by Europe and the United States to Ukraine in the magnitude of $40 billion, half of which is Marshall-Plan-like grants that recognize that Ukraine is at war.

Sixth, a flood of advisors from the European Union to accelerate Ukraine’s accession to the European Union.

Sixth, increase aid and assistance to Georgia, Moldova, and even Belarus to protect them from Russian armed intervention.

Seventh and most important, understand that Putin interprets concessions as weakness and action as strength. Playing nice with Mr. Putin gets you nowhere.

If the West does not learn this lesson, it has lost the game.

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obk twitterde op maandag 07-04-2014 om 19:36:21 En daar is het, ook in Charkov is de 'Volksrepubliek' uitgeroepen http://t.co/u5PrP6vrsL reageer retweet

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Crimea cost Ukraine over $10 billion in lost natural resources

_{KIEV Mon Apr 7, 2014 10:23am EDT}

(Reuters) - Ukraine's ecology and natural resources minister estimated on Monday that Kiev had lost natural resources and related assets worth 127 billion hryvnias ($10.8 bln) when Russia annexed the Crimea region.

Ukraine has said it will file compensation claims with international courts over the annexation of Crimea, which Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said could ultimately cost Kiev "hundreds of billions of dollars".

Andriy Mokhnyk's spokesman said the minister had told a news conference Ukraine intended to go to court to recover the money Ukraine would lose through its natural resources assets, which included businesses, 198 fields and 380 prospective ones.

"Ministry staff have assessed the market value of the resource base for Crimea. According to preliminary estimates, it was 127 billion hryvnias," he told a news conference.

The region is home to offshore drilling firm Chernomorneftegaz (Chornomornaftohaz) and Russia has put Crimea's oil reserves at 47 million tonnes and gas at 165.3 billion cubic metres, RIA news agency said.

Russia took over Crimea, home to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, shortly after Ukrainian protesters toppled pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovich in February.

Moscow said it was protecting its compatriots there from nationalists from western Ukraine, but the country's new leaders accuse Russia of waging a political campaign against them, using trade and the economy as weapons.

(Reporting by Natalia Zinets, writing by Elizabeth Piper, editing by Timothy Heritage)

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 18:15 schreef firefly3 het volgende:
Amerikaanse radiozender stilte in rusland. http://www.bbg.gov/blog/2(...).U0KptzGrA0E.twitter

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Russian authorities systematically eliminated domestic radio distribution of BBG-supported programs and almost all television distribution. In 2012, Russian authorities forced RFE/RL off its last remaining domestic radio outlet, an AM frequency in Moscow.

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On October 1, 1999, the Broadcasting Board Governors (BBG) became the independent federal agency responsible for all U.S. government and government sponsored, non military, international broadcasting. This was the result of the 1998 Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act (Public Law 105-277), the single most important legislation affecting U.S. international broadcasting since the early 1950s.

Every week, more than 206 million listeners, viewers, and Internet users around the world turn on, tune in, and log on to U.S. international broadcasting programs.

While the “Broadcasting Board of Governors” is the legal name given to the federal entity encompassing all U.S. international broadcasting services, the day-to-day broadcasting activities are carried out by the individual BBG international broadcasters: the Voice of America (VOA), Alhurra, Radio Sawa, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), Radio Free Asia (RFA), and Radio and TV Mart�, with the assistance of the International Broadcasting Bureau (IBB).

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Op maandag 7 april 2014 19:35 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Wat een wild verhaal, maar hij maakt wel een paar interessante claims. Jammer dat hij een bronvermelding achterwege laat.

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That, to quote Shakespeare, is the question.

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In Moscow, the head of the defense and security committee of the upper house of parliament said Russia could not send peacekeepers into Donetsk without approval from the United Nations Security Council — which is highly unlikely.

Viktor Ozerov told the Interfax news agency that a country cannot simply send in peacekeeping troops at the request of local authorities. He said the Russian legislature authorized the use of troops in Crimea out of a perceived need to enhance security at Russian military bases there and under the terms of the agreement Russia signed with Ukraine to keep those bases. Ukrainian officials sharply dispute that point.

Ozerov said Russian peacekeepers have been stationed in two regions that broke away from Georgia — Abkhazia and South Ossetia — under the framework of a grouping of former Soviet republics called the Commonwealth of Independent States.

“Russia has no right to do this unilaterally,” he said.

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The less Americans know about Ukraines location, the more they want U.S. to intervene
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On March 28-31, 2014, we asked a national sample of 2,066 Americans (fielded via Survey Sampling International Inc. (SSI), what action they wanted the U.S. to take in Ukraine, but with a twist: In addition to measuring standard demographic characteristics and general foreign policy attitudes, we also asked our survey respondents to locate Ukraine on a map as part of a larger, ongoing project to study foreign policy knowledge. We wanted to see where Americans think Ukraine is and to learn if this knowledge (or lack thereof) is related to their foreign policy views. We found that only one out of six Americans can find Ukraine on a map, and that this lack of knowledge is related to preferences: The farther their guesses were from Ukraines actual location, the more they wanted the U.S. to intervene with military force.
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