Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #7

Topic for facts, speculations and general chat with our foreign friend(s), preferably in English.

Natalee Holloway (in the rebound)
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) II
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) III
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) IV
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) V
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) VI

Andere topics die interessant zijn:
Shango's raadsel
De man in de schaduw: Steve Gregory Croes
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending

Buitenland:
Scared Monkeys
Arubadirtypolice blogspot

Schijnt ook een leuke site te zijn, er wordt in de voorgaande topics veel naar verwezen iig:
Refugees Unleashed

Natalee Holloway zaak in de archieven:
Riehlworldview
Scrux

En uiteraard op de FP:
Peter's reactie op kritische reacties na uitzending
Holloway-zaak kost Aruba miljoenen
Joran praat morgen met politie

Game on!

[ Bericht 54% gewijzigd door Petre op 18-02-2008 23:03:19 ]

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Op maandag 18 februari 2008 22:05 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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You can read Dutch? Fine...

I was talking about the majority of people (not meaning you btw) like Klaasend who respond to my few postings at SM and about my awfull brother in law who's from the US. I doný like those kind of people, wherever they come from...
I've got many friends in the USA who know how to have a good discussion and don't judge you after the first few words. Most of them don't even know about this case btw...
And for your information, I've been to the USA for about 14 times, mostly longer than 2 weeks, so I do know a little about the American way of thinking most people overthere do and it don't makes me smile...

An example when I was in a shopping mall one day:
Girl behind counter (about 25 years of age): Where are you from?
Me: Holland.
Girl: Holland? Is that the capitol of Germany?
Me: No, it's a country on itself, next to Germany.
Girl: Do you have a president?
Me: No, we have a queen.
Girl: Are you allowed to travel outside your country?



or

Man in bar: We know everthing about Russia because of the cold war, but Holland... Never heard about it. Is that close to Russia?



And these are no jokes...

I will be in the USA in October/November of this year to visit friends, hopefully far away from the people I just described.

I can only read through a translator..But I am slowly learning some words

Yes I am very well aware about Americans..lol..There is a huge distance to the nearest countries like Canada and Mexico..Most of Canada is very similar to the U.S as well as the people..Mexicans or Latin heritage is now the biggest minority in the U.S. and are definetly a part of America no matter what state you live in. So for most Americans it is unlikely they will meet many french,germans,russians,dutch..etc or be able to travel there..Most european countries are much smaller and much easier to travel to. Also Americans do not travel like the europeans,like most Dutch who have 6-8 weeks off a year to do that. Most Americans get 1-2 weeks off a year for holiday or vacation time.

Like I said I have lived in the states most of my life and I am very familiar with the lack of knowledge about other customs and people. It is not all Americans but compared to the Avg European it is definetly true for the obvious reasons. Since America is so large and has well over 250 million people what would happen if they asked questions about each individual state in the U.S. to a typical Dutch Person? BTW: Klaas is a very intelligent person but she has a tough Job over at SM and is attacked daily.

Lets just have a little bit of fun..Watch this Video..lol
(Click to watch video)


This is also very funny Not relevent to our discussions but a keeper
(Click to watch video)


[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 18-02-2008 23:11:57 ]

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Op maandag 18 februari 2008 21:59 schreef dazzle123 het volgende:

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You have a lot to learn about 18 year old amaricain girls who are all straight a students who don't do drug and drink alot of alcohol.

Don't get me wrong , i think it's very sad an 18 yaers old girl dies by an od. But don't go tell me she was an angel who never did anything. I have seen too many angels doing alot of things which you don't expect from angels.

Actually I know quite a bit. I have 4 neices at that age and 2 that are in there early 20's. I know a great deal about Natalee from what I have read from everyone that knew her and from Family members I have talked to and what I said about her is absolutely a fact. Yes she smoked a cigarette and drank sometimes during her stay in Aruba..Truth is she was much more of a goody too shoes than 90% of the other MB teens. She was a angel and did not deserve to be drugged raped and murdered. Even sicker than that is the Aruban Govt spending millions to slander and lie about her. Her having cocaine and seen by Dompigs brother in law and some other unknown friend of Jorans is a absolute crock of sh%@$. Yes there are some teens that have gone to Aruba and dabbled in drugs and partied there ass off and took chances,Natalee was not one of them! Even if she did it is still not relevent that someone drugged,raped and murdered her.

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Op maandag 18 februari 2008 23:19 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
I probably met that girl in the shopping mall and in some kind of way I know the man of the 2nd movie too...

If you want me to name all states of the USA I would be delighted and I can tell something about those states too. I've been to about 30 states of the US already and in october/november (I booked a hour ago and will visit Atlanta, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Atlanta once agian, New York before I will go back to Amsterdam) I will add 2 more to the list.

If Americans don't know much about foreign countries, wouldn't it be better to learn something about it before they piss on them? I still remember that sig. of one the SM-members with the peeing guy next to the word 'Aruba'. How simple can you be?...

But hey, some Americans do know about Holland? They come here with loads out of the 747's to buy pot and other drugs and they party 24/7 during their stay overhere. That's we're good for...

LOL!! Yes but you are not a normal antillen or Dutch person..You have been to the states 14 times and probably other european countries. I know several Dutch people that have barely left Holland and know little about the states except for what they see on TV. You are so close to France,Belgium,Germany and other countries so it easy and much cheaper to travel plus you have many more vacation days to do so. How often do you think we see Dutch Television?

I am agreeing with you about most Americans or people you will meet in shopping malls. Add in George Bush who I think is a complete idiot and the backlash against Americans is worse than ever. Granted there are many Americans who learned in college,out of there own interests or traveled to learn upon themselves about Europe,Africa,Asia or elsewhere.

As far as some SM members,you really have to see what has happened since day one and continues to happen. It is truly unbelievable the hate,lies and slander that they say about Natalee and her Family. I understand the anger and I am very angry myself. But I realize it is coming from the Govt and not the people. Aruba is such a tiny place,many are scared and were told not to talk about the case and tourism from America is 3/4 of there Tourism and about that amount of people work in that industry.. If you talk with them off the chat boards it's entirely another story. Where are all the Arubans? I dont see one Avg Aruban ctizen on any of the boards talking about this case. Is there any at FOK?

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Op maandag 18 februari 2008 23:10 schreef Felixa het volgende:
This one is pretty funny too!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related

Hehe..Yes astonishing..They show this kind of stuff on our late night talk shows

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Op maandag 18 februari 2008 23:32 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Observer, an objective question:

How much do think you know all together in this case? I mean, how much evidence is there for sure in your opinion, based on the Aruban/Dutch laws? And how would that evidence be used if Joran was an US-citizen?

I've been reading at SM once again today and there's a lot of info, not only facts, but also rumours, side steps etc.
Do you think it's possible for you (or someone else) to gather all the real evidence, scrapp the side steps and make a document of it that you could send to some government or so?
Just an idea, because talking about it on an internet forum only won't help...

I know a tremendous amount about this case but there is no smoking gun on video,confessions or forensic evidence that would end everything right now this minute. Much of what is on the blogs is circumstancial evidence and right now they are putting together something that is easier to read for the media and others that will show what I have tried to show here at FOK. SM has info all over the place and like you said it is not in one place that is easy to read and yes there are many facts,rumors,hearsay and much speculation..etc..It gives me a huge headache even thinking about the amount of material. A large part of the problem is because the Dossier has been kept confidential and only a small part of it has been released. Hans Mos won't even answer questions to Natalee's own Family,questions that most everyone knows that is involved except them.You already know what I think.. It is a definite cover up and a huge conflict of interest involving Paul Van Der Sloots friends/connections and Aruban Govt who sabataged this case.. So many unanswered questions and I have proven that the Aruban Investigators are caught in several lies and they refuse to answer the questions.

The Aruban/Dutch laws really aren't too different from those that are in America. Yes there are some differences because you can arrest someone on suspicion,a trial is ruled by a judge and not a jury..etc..I don't buy the excuse about the Dutch Legal system being terrible,it was Abused and Corrupted by all entities that worked together in Aruba to make sure this case was never solved. The Dutch system is only as good as those that run it and even the Dutch Law scholars agree what happened in Aruba is astonishing,ludicrous and ridiculous. I am convinced it was solved in June 2005 as you already know.

Remember in our law we have plea bargaining as your system only allows one crown witness. If this happened in the U.S.the Perps would all be in jail right now. If not this would most certainly be going to trial. There is plenty of witnesses and people to put under oath so the truth comes out in court. That is what a trial is all about to bring out all the facts and put people on the stand. So many people know more but aren't talking in Aruba.

BTW:I have spoken to Arubans and some agree with me but they feel there is nothing they can do and do not want to get involved. I have had Dutch friends and worked with the Dutch 2 years before Natalee dissapeared. They try to teach me the language and so does a german contact of mine. Its just hard to teach old dogs new tricks My Dutch friend tells me learning German is similar to Dutch but you have to yell..lol

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door observer777 op 19-02-2008 00:32:54 ]

This post by Charles Croes is very interesting..What does he know that we don't?
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CHARLES CROES - WHAT HAPPENED?

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418
June 2, 2005

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw) Date: 06-02-05 09:01
There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications. It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you. I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved. I wish all of us strength

charles croes
arubafastphones.com

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he describe whether or not she seemed to have had too much to drink or anything that night?

C. CROES: Yes, he did. He told me that she had been doing drugs and possibly been drinking, too.

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Please read entire transcript at:
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html
October 3, 2005

J. TWITTY: Oh, yeah. And they talk four different languages down there. So first of all, there is one gentleman who, if somebody would go back and get Charles Cruse (ph), who was with us that night and who spoke to them away from us for about 10 minutes with the uniformed officers, before he came over and translated what Joran said to us -- and Joran speaks all the languages too. But Charles Cruse (ph), in my mind, holds a lot of keys to what happened that night, or what Joran said

[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 19-02-2008 01:37:45 ]

From www.nu.nl:

OM Aruba wil Van der Eem verhoren OM Aruba wants to interrogate Patrick van der Eem.
Uitgegeven: 19 februari 2008 06:54
Laatst gewijzigd: 19 februari 2008 07:06

ORANJESTAD - Justitie op Aruba is van plan om Patrick van der Eem (34) als getuige te verhoren in de zaak-Natalee Holloway. Dat hoeft niet op vrijwillige basis te gebeuren, meent hoofdofficier van justitie Hans Mos. The justice department on Aruba plans to interrogate Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. According to Hans Mos, this doesnt have to happen on a voluntary basis.
Van der Eem, die verklaringen bij Joran van der Sloot wist te ontlokken in de verdwijningszaak, loopt het risico er tijdelijk voor te worden vastgezet. "Hij heeft al aan vele media zijn verhaal verteld en moet het nu maar eens aan ons uitleggen", aldus Mos dinsdag. Van der Eem, who got some declarations from joran van der sloot about the case, runs the risk of being put in jail for a short time. "He told his story to all kinds of media, now its time he tells us". according to Mos.
De opstelling van justitie verbaast Van der Eem, die op Aruba is om zijn belevenissen als infiltrant door de Amerikaanse schrijfster E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) voor een boek te laten optekenen. The way OM ARuba is willing to handle this, surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba to write a book about his adventures as an infiltrant together with American writer EE Byars (pseud. Elizabeth byars).
"Ik heb niks te verbergen hierin, maar ik kan ook mijn mond houden. Dat zal dan niet de eerste keer zijn dat ik mijn mond hou. Als ze mij vast willen zetten, moeten ze dat maar doen. Je mag het negen dagen proberen. Maar ik sta aan de kant van het OM, ze hoeven alleen maar te bellen om me te vragen en ik zal er zijn." Ive got nothing to hide, but I could also keep my mouth shut. It wouldnt be the first time I say nothing. If they want to incarcerate me, they should do that. You can try for 9 days. But Im on the same side as the OM; all they have to do is call me, ask me to be there and I will be there.
Voor Van der Eem is het boek niet de enige reden om op Aruba te zijn. "Het is ook een geweldig vakantieland. En ik ben hier een groot gedeelte van mijn jeugd opgegroeid, van ongeveer mijn vierde tot twaalfde jaar." According to Van der Eem the book isnt the only reason to be on Aruba. Its great to be here on a holiday. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood: from when i was 4 till I was 12.
Schrijfster Byars (33) kwam in contact met Van der Eem via de redactie van misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, voor wie ze vertaalsuggesties deed voor de 'Holloway-uitzending'. Writer Buars (33) came in contact with Van der Eem through crimefighter Peter R de Vries, who she gave some translative suggestions.
Tot nu toe maakte ze slechts fictieverhalen, maar toen het eerste hoofdstuk over Van der Eem af was, wekte dat volgens haar genoeg vertrouwen op. Byars verwacht dat het boek met de titel Disposed in september in de Amerikaanse boekhandels ligt. Until now she only wrote fiction, but finishing the first chapter of Van der Eems book, gave her the confidence to do more.Byars expects the book (with the title "disposed') to be in stores in september.

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 15:48 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
observer777 wrote: Your wrong it is possible to die from GHB on its own. I just read somewhere from a expert on one of the boards all about it,as there were many deaths here in the states when it was used more in the 1980's. Most Drugs when you combine with others drasticly increases the risk of a overdose. Happens often here in the states with celebrities mixing,especially those pharmaceuticals. I still don't think Natalee died from a OD anyway. There would be no reason to hide the body forever if that were the case.

Overdose
Both GHB and Rohypnol present a serious overdose threat. Since they are depressants, both drugs can be fatal when mixed with alcohol. GHB is especially dangerous because its peak effect is delayed and users often take another dose thinking they haven't taken enough (and GHB can be fatal on its own). GHB is also risky because the strength can vary by batch. Symptoms of overdose can include intense drowsiness, unconsciousness, coma, muscle spasms, disorientation, vomiting, and slowed or stopped breathing. Fatalities usually occur from respiratory failure.
http://www.phoenixhouse.org/National/DrugFacts/drugfacts_ghp.html

now i least know you never used GHB, you know nothing about it, you can only c/p online stories
do you believe everything what is on the internet?

I have read now multiple sources that said this as well as experts on TV ,you are the only one saying its impossible to die from a GHB overdose. It is clear you dont have a clue what you are talking about at all.

GHB is a CNS depressant used as an intoxicant. It has many street names, including Liquid Ecstasy and Liquid X. At recreational doses, GHB can cause a state of euphoria, increased enjoyment of movement and music, increased libido, increased sociability and intoxication. At higher doses, GHB may induce nausea, dizziness, drowsiness, agitation, visual disturbances, depressed breathing, amnesia, unconsciousness, and death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 11:14 schreef duikkie het volgende:
omdat we er hier een puinhoop van maken in nederlands en engels, doe ik ook maar even mee .
because not all americans can read shit about dutch. i will write the important things in ...... dutch
translate or do a "inburgingscurcus" by rita

rosite: er zijn wel miljoenen vragen nog onbeantwoord, maar er geloven ook miljoenen mensen het stand verhaal. ik lees me de laatste tijd een aapezeur. maar waarom geloven in het strand verhaal. is ook verzonnen helaas. natalee is hoogstwaarschijnlijk ergens heen gebracht nadat ze in de auto overleden is door toedoen joran, deepak en satisch. anders zouden deepak en satisch niet zo liegen, ze voelen nog steeds schuld aan moord. Joran krijgt nu de klappen omdat hij hoofdschuldige is in deze zaak en de broers deepak en satisch zijn uit de brand. en omdat het strand verhaal totaal verzonnen is , zal er nooit bewijs komen, ook de schoenen zal je nooit vinden , net als de boot.

wat alleen nu een probleem is voor de van sloot familie is dat de gewone mens genoeg heeft van joran en hem wel kan uitspugen, dit hadden ze niet voorzien. maar waait wel over.

een begin vraag , waarom is joran nooit verhoord op 31 mei 2005 ?? of mis ik deze statement in het lijstje

Your right on the money..The beach story is fiction. Beth Holloway on the 31st when she met with Dennis Jacobs spotted Deepak's car already at the Bubali Police station. Deepak also slipped that he met with the ALE on the 30th as well. When she first talked to Dennis Jacobs she saw a torn PV with Jorans name on it in his office. I am pretty sure they met with the ALE on the 30th even before the Family arrived.


Beth Holloway - LOVING NATALEE - 05/31/05

Page 59
Jug, Jodi and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp. One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back. It's definitely his. I spent a lot of time staring at it last night. The tag. The details. Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myself for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station. And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. We proceed through the gravel and dirt parking lot and enter the front of the small, sea-foam green stucco building.

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MAY 30, 2005 "OFF THE RECORD" INTERROGATIONS?

Joran van der Sloot: On July 12, 2005 Anita Van der Sloot stated in a Joe Scarborough interview that Joran was picked up from school by police on Monday, May 30, 2005. Joran has never implied in interviews or declarations that he was ever picked up by police for questioning.

Anita Van der Sloot - 'Scarborough Country' - 07/12/05

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He hasn't told me anything, because, on the Monday, he went to school, like any normal boy. And he wasn't aware of—he was totally surprised when the police asked him to come to the—or picked him up for interrogation. He was totally surprised. He really thought that the girl would be safe in the hotel and there was no reason to talk about her at all.


Deepak Kalpoe: In his official statement of June 10, 2005 Deepak Kalpoe claims that he vacuumed his vehicle prior to picking up Joran Van der Sloot on Sunday May 29, 2005. He also states that he remembers telling interrogators at Bubali that his vehicle was very clean because he had vacuumed his car the prior evening. This would imply Deepak was questioned by police at Bubali station on May 30, 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - 06/09/05

He then asked me whether I wanted to go with to "Carlos & Charlies", because he had met a few girls and wanted to meet them again in "Carlos & Charlies". I agreed and told him that I would pick him up later. A little before 23.00 hours I drove home. I ate something at home together with my brother Satish and after that I vacuumed the carpet on the inside of my car. After I finished vacuuming I went and took a shower. A little before 0.00 hours I drove to Joran's house. Joran lives on the address Montanja 19.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - 06/10/05

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day. You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.


Satish Kalpoe: On June 29, 2005 in a secretly recorded conversation in a police van, Satish Kalpoe conveys to Joran that he told police about the choller in his first police statement. Satish's witness statement of May 31, 2005 has been revealed and there is no mention of the choller. It can be assumed that the first statement Satish is referring to must have been taken on May 30, 2005.

Satish Kalpoe - Leaked Police Vehicle Recording - 06/29/05

Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the choller. I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.
Deepak: And, I also said that.
Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me. I have already told that before. I have also said that in my first statement.





Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.


http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
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EARLY MORNING MEETING AT BUBALI ~ May 31st

Beth reveals in her book, Loving Natalee, that Deepak's vehicle was observed behind the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005, and remained there for the next several hours.

Beth Holloway - LOVING NATALEE - 05/31/05

Page 59
Jug, Jodi and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp. One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back. It's definitely his. I spent a lot of time staring at it last night. The tag. The details. Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myself for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station. And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. We proceed through the gravel and dirt parking lot and enter the front of the small, sea-foam green stucco building.

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ONE PERIOD IN TIME - FOUR DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS


1. Deepak Kalpoe

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that after Paulus, Joran and he are dropped off at the VDS' by police in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005, there was a discussion with Paulus inside Joran's room. A short time later, he claims he drove straight home - arriving at approximately 6:45 AM.

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - 06/13/05

The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.


2. Satish Kalpoe

Satish claims in his suspect statement of June 10, 2005 that when Deepak arrived home at 6:30 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005, Deepak conveyed that he had been at police station being questioned in regards to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - 06/10/05

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


3. Joran van der Sloot

Joran claims in his June 14, 2005 suspect statement that after the police dropped Paulus, Deepak and him off at home, the three had a discussion outside the residence and following the discussion Deepak went home. However, Deepak claims in his June 13, 2005 suspect statement that the discussion took place inside Joran's room.

Joran van der Sloot- Suspect Statement - 06/14/05

Deepak pointed out the spot were we dropped off Natalee.

At approximately 05.30 am, we went back to our house with the police.

When we arrived there I don't remember what was talked about outside. Deepak got into his car and drove off. My father and myself walked inside.


4. Paulus van der Sloot

Contrary to Joran and Deepak's claims, Paulus implies in his June 13, 2005 witness statement that only he and Joran were dropped off by the Police. Paulus fails to mention Deepak.

Paulus van der Sloot - Witness Statement - 06/18/05

We decided to go to the “Holiday Inn” to go and look for the girl, but without any positive result.

It was morning already when Joran and myself were dropped off by the police at home. We did not go to bed anymore.


CONCLUSION

Could the agenda for the early morning meeting at the Bubali police station on May 31, 2005 have been an opportunity for getting stories straight in preparation for the afternoon interrogations? Could it have been a regroup session after all that had taken place since the "off the record" meetings of the previous day, May 30 2005?


A POSSIBLE CHAIN OF EVENTS

When Beth's words in her book, Loving Natalee, are considered which claim Deepak's vehicle was observed behind the Bubali police station for several hours at 8:00 AM on the morning of Tuesday, May 31, 2005 as well as the contradicting statements of Joran, Deepak and Paulus - could the following chain of events reflect the movements of Paulus, Joran and Deepak immediately after the encounter with the Twitty group at the Holiday Inn?

1. Police drove Joran, Deepak and Paulus back to the VDS' residence from the Holiday Inn.

2. As his vehicle was parked at the VDS' residence, only Deepak would have gotten out of the police vehicle.

3. Police drove Joran and Paulus to the Bubali police station while Deepak drove his own vehicle.

4. Deepak, Joran and Paulus discussed the events of the preceding hours with Dennis Jacobs and/or Jan van der Straaten at the Bubali police station and attempted to get stories straight in preparation for the afternoon interrogations.

5. Deepak leaves his vehicle at the police station as a detailed cleaning of the interior is warranted.

6. Deepak is driven home by police following the meeting and informs Satish that he had been at the police station.

7. Joran and Paulus are then dropped off at home.

8. Beth leaves the Bubali station at approximately 12:30 pm, and notices Deepak's vehicle is still there.


* All suspects state they were not questioned until the afternoon hours of May 31, 2005, so what was Deepak's vehicle doing in the parking lot of the Bubali police station as early as 8:00 am?

* What logical reasons could there have been for Aruban law enforcement to have posession of Deepak's vehicle for several hours on May 31, 2005? Forensics were not done on the vehicle until June 9, 2005.

* At a minimum, Dennis jacobs and possibly Jan van der Straaten were doing something with Deepak's vehicle on May 31, 2005. Were they also conspiring with the four suspects on that morning?

* Exactly what was revealed by either Deepak's car, or the suspects themselves that forced Dennis Jacobs to turn Beth Holloway away that morning, without taking her statement?


Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 19-02-2008 16:59:56 ]

Deepak's car in Noord Police Station (5 spoke rims)

June 9th 2005 (6 spoke rims)


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 17:27 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Nice story, but rather unbelievable. There are no reasons to believe Joran has contacts with higher Aruba persons, busy with selling nice women. No way I think. His meeting with N. that evening was "by accident" I would say and she was already drunk and maybe had used some drugs that day. She was sleepy, all three boys told that, and the passage in which he, joran tells about the shaking seems to me rather true, really as he saw it. And even then you need to explain how and where they drove that night and to whom, without being seen. Same problem.
What interests me is her fellow-students, they all keep there mouths shut, accept a few stupid interviews about reasonable drinking-behavior etc. This puzzels me.

No way did Natalee use drugs on her own that day or night. Plus she slept all day with her friends. Being unconscious in someones car just minutes after getting in is hardly being sleepy,plus they continue to lie about everything and are the last 3 along with PVDS to ever see Natalee alive again. But you are more interested in fellow MB students that have nothing to do with anything..lol..Unbelievable

Freddy A was arrested for suspicion of having sex with a unconscious person when K2 were arrested,did that girl use drugs on her own and was sleepy also? Dont forget the others that came forward before Natalee as the same thing happened to them,luckily they didnt die like Natalee.

Witnesses in this case have all been scared to come forward and with good reason. Take a look at Patrick the recent hero. The OM in Aruba has threatened to arrest him if he doesnt come forward. I think this was all done through the Media without even asking him first. Julia Renfro and the dis-information team are already making him and his brother look like suspects that are framing Joran.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/n(...)ion_van_der_sloo.php
Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily.

“I have nothing to hide in this, but I can keep my mouth shut as well. This will not be the first time that I keep my mouth shut. If they want to put me in jail, they just should do so. You may try it for nine days. But I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there. ” For Van der Eem the book is not the only reason to be on Aruba. ‘It is also a great holiday-island. And I grew up here for a big part of my childhood, from about my fourth to twelfth year.”
http://www.tiscali.nl/con(...)_verhoren/575685.htm

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 17:56 schreef Rosite het volgende:
[quote]Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 17:46 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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No way did Natalee use drugs on her own that day or night.
There are witnesses of N. buying and using drugs. Probably more kids o that school

Plus she slept all day with her friends.
She was on the beach that day at 10.00 am, with alcoholdrink.

[i]Being unconscious in someones car just minutes after getting in is hardly being sleepy,plus they continue to lie about everything and are the last 3 along with PVDS to ever see Natalee alive again. But you are more interested in fellow MB students that have nothing to do with anything..lol
PVDS???? Why pointing at him without knowing. Why saying that the fellowstudents have nothing to do with it, they were not allowed to speak and it was rather impossible for the Aruba to investigate them and to talk with them. Why, when you want the truth keeping them away. It's puzzling me and I find very strange, no matter what you say about that. What do they have to cover up???
And about Patrick: they want to talk to him as a witness, and you can take one temporarily in custody if someone do not want to speak. I find it nice when I heard they want to speak to him. And Patrick says, I come on my own, because I WANT TO SPEAK, no problem, they do not see him as involved.

You are very lost on the facts of this case. Who the hell saw Natalee with drugs? You mean Buuti Naar? Gerald Dompigs brother in law? Or Jorans friend? Two flat out ridiculous lies!

Read the supreme court rulings from Aruba that clearly indicate PVDS involvement with Natalee's dissapearance they are clearly understood by the court in Aruba. He himself said he had two contacts with Natalee and that he picked Joran and Natalee up at 4am. Also they have witnesses and wiretaps,he said he picked them up at 4AM for almost 3 weeks then changed his story. Why would he lie and change his story? Why would he call Natalee a corpse even before she was missing?

I find it very strange you would even question the MB students as they were all questioned several times and it is clear to everyone they have nothing to do with Natalee's dissapearnce. Have you read anything about this case??

@Rosite

It is you who is lying and you dont know anything about this case. The MB kids were questioned by the ALE and the FBI. They have zero to do with this case and everyone knows it but its clear you have a agenda pointing the finger at them and spreading wrong information,when it is clear they have told the truth. The 3 that were last with her have lied,lied again and continue to lie.

@lookinforyou

If you are looking for wrong information and lies about really happened then you are clearly in the wrong thread.

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 18:47 schreef Rosite het volgende:

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I just want the truth.I have no agenda, I am on the hand of nobody and the one spreading lies is you and this is the last time I give a reaction on what you are writing.

I have never lied in 32 months in following this case. I already caught you telling wrong information and lying about what happened just in a few short words. You can read over10,000 posts of mine since June 2005 and you will never ever see one lie. I suggest you read up on the case if you want to learn the truth. If you think the answers in solving this case are in Mountainbrook that is your opinion but the facts of this case say the opposite.

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:09 schreef lookinforyou het volgende:

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No I am not looking for wrong information. It's just the way you react. You know everything and ooooh how stupid we are.
I just want the truth and you are not the one who can tell the truth, because you don't know the facts either.
You're on a dutch forum and you can respect us.

Sure when I get called a liar and others are spreading wrong information I will react. You disrespected me not once but twice in this forum.I never said anyone was stupid and yes I know a tremendous amount about this case and have read and seen just about everything there is to know outside of the case files.

I respect the Dutch a great deal but people come on this thread and continue to tell wrong information and then attack me when I show the truth. Saying things like Natalee had lack of sleep,was drunk and was using drugs. All lies..It may not be there fault as they didn't read up on this case and in the PV's. Natalee slept most of that day,was not drunk and most certainly did not have any drugs or use any drugs on that trip and as far as everyone that has ever known her she has never used drugs. You should read up on Buuti (Beoti) Naar who is Dompigs Brother in law. He is also the same person that implicated two innocent men that were arrested on June 5th to lead this Investigation away from the real killers. He is also the same crack addict that says he saw Natalee with drugs..The other is a friend of Jorans..Coincidence?

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:33 schreef duikkie het volgende:
observer 777 , some cases are never solved in this case the police has made great and stupid faulth, because they are not objective in the begining.

Hello duikkie,

I pray this case is solved and has closure,because right now it is hurting a great deal of people just because of a few that don't want to tell the truth. The Police in this case were not stupid idiots and it wasn't by accident they made all these horrific and unbelievable blunders. They were close friends of Paul Van Der Sloots and they were hoping this would all go away after a few short weeks. It never did. Everything just escaladed since then and it is way out of control.

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 20:30 schreef duikkie het volgende:
observer 777 do you know if the man left of natalee at the black jack tabel at 2023 29 may is paul , the girls who are with natalee that time , must have seen the man beter then we can see or is that not inportant for fbi

I am not 100% sure no,but It sure look's like him to me. The girls at the table may not have been paying close attention to him and I don't even know if they have been asked to identify that person. Both a American reporter and Jossy Mansur both said there sources say that is indeed Paul Van Der Sloot next to Natalee at the table.





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Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE’S SOURCES

June 9, 2006
Kimberly Guilfoyle: "What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html

JOHN Q. KELLY

April 4, 2006
COSBY … "John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?"

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: "Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

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Natalee's Freebirds:

[size=14pt]MOORDENAAR -DUTCH translation means MURDERER! [/size]


Joran: "Things seem to be going even better than I hoped."




[color=red]JORAN VAN DER SLOOT TELLS HOW NATALEE DIED AND HOW HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY[/color]

Peter de Vries program secretly videotaped Joran van der Sloot with
Patrick van der Eem who befriended Joran, and in the secret recordings Joran describes in detail the most horrific crime he committed against Natalee Ann Holloway in Aruba in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.

Along with Joran's statements we see that he went out on the evening of May 29, 2005 with the intent to hook up with the Mountain Brook girls at a nightclub in Aruba named Carlos n' Charlie's. Even though Joran is underage he illegally enters Carlos n' Charlie's and has arranged for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to go with him.

“I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.”
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement

Then Joran describes leaving Carlos n' Charlie's with Natalee in Deepak's car where Natalee becomes unconscious.

"Driving past the front of the Marriott Hotel Natalee half fell asleep/half dozed off. "
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement


[color=red]THE PREDATOR - JORAN VAN DER SLOOT[/color]

JORAN STATED ON HIS WEBPAGE HE ATTENDED ST. LEO UNIVERSITY IN FLORIDA WHEN THE TRUTH IS HE LIVED IN ARUBA AND ATTENDED HIGH SCHOOL




JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL





Joran explains to Greta that he has picked up girls in the clubs in Aruba before:
VAN DER SLOOT: [color=red]"I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong." [/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Holly Brown, a friend who accompanied Holloway to Aruba and was at Carlos ‘N Charlie’s the night she disappeared, said she found Van Der Sloot to be “very different.”

“We noticed he was in the casino all by himself,” she told CNN in Alabama. [color=red]“He lied about his age, and when we went on the (Carlos ‘N Charlie’s) Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes.” [/color]
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html


"11. Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to sexual assault on young women"
"12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women" alleged that they were the victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices."
"13. Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey upon young female tourists, especially blonds."
"20. ON the afternoon of May 29 in particular, Paulus van der Sloot personally delivered and accompanied his underage son Joran to one of Aruba's casinos in order that both of them could, as they had many times in the past, play in a poker tournament. It was at that casino
that Joran first met Natalee."

Source: New York Civil Suit filed by John Q. Kelly

Not only does Joran frequent the casino's, but so does his father and on the night of May 30, 2005, BOTH Joran and his father, Paulus van der Sloot met Natalee




BETH HOLLOWAY'S JUNE 1, 2005 STATEMENT WAS CHANGED BY AUTHORITIES

“Beth said that one of the things that had gotten changed about her statements that was so upsetting to her was that she had given detailed [color=red]descriptions of Paulus Van der Sloot [/color] with his name included several times in her statement and when she got it translated, she found out that [color=red]her description had been changed to read only “the man with the glasses”. [/color]

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: "Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that [color=red]Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee." [/color]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE’S SOURCES

June 9, 2006
Kimberly Guilfoyle: "What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. [color=red]As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino."[/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html

JOHN Q. KELLY

April 4, 2006
COSBY … "John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?"

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: [color=red]"Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.[/color] And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


[color=red]JORAN MEETS NATALEE [/color]

"32. At C&C, the trio [Joran,Deepak, Satish] met Natalee. After buying and serving Natalee with alcoholic beverages, Joran, Deepak and Satish induced her to leave with them."

Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006

Greta Van Susteren: "Do you remember any conversation at all you had with him, like even if it was like' about chips, or anything at all?"

Ruth McVey: "Only that [color=red]he said that he was 19 and played soccer at a school in Holland." [/color]

Greta Van Susteren: "So he didn't say that he was in high school?"

Ruth McVey: "No"

http://scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm


"33. At approximately 1:30 a.m, Natalee, in an intoxicated state, left C&C and entered a sliver Nissan sedan owned by Deepak. Deepak drove, with Satish in the front passenger seat and Joran and Natalee in the back seat. The car drove off."

Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006


[color=red]NATALEE IS RAPED[/color]

DID JORAN RAPE NATALEE? – whom he knowingly and admittedly stated was unconscious and drunk

"I placed my left hand at that moment in time between the inside of her leg. I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee. With my fingers I pushed Natalee's panty to the side and fingered her with two fingers. According to me she was shaved because I did not feel any hair. I first stuck my middle finger inside and then I put my index finger inside. While I was doing this Natalee and I kept kissing. I fingered Natalee for about one to two minutes and then pulled my hand out of her panty and placed my hand on her hip."

source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05

JORAN DESCRIBES NATALEE'S UNDERCLOTHING

"Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers."

Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement

[color=red]"Natalee fell half asleep/dozed off again.
While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore." [/color]

source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05

[color=red]Joran told me, “Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk[/color]. We had sex on the beach'."http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326


Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"

Source: Peter deVries secret recordings
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html


DID DEEPAK RAPE NATALEE?

Deepak Kalpoe admits they all had sex with her:

11-23 FOX News

"When FOX News commented then asked “So Jamie can I ask you...the clip that we heard where Deepak it could be suggested says that the boys had sex with Natalee. Specifically, that he did and it was very easy to do. Is that authentic? Is that what he told you when you interviewed him?,”

SKEETERS said [color=red]“Yes, the word was ‘you'd be surprised how simple it was." [/color]


You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story"

source 6/29/05 Deepak Statement

John Charles Croes/Deepak Kalpoe friend - chat traffic/6/19/05/Dennis Jacobs / Luigi Croes
source: Kalpoe vs. McGraw lawsuit
http://homepage.mac.com/m(...)tements_timeline.htm


[color=red]SINS OF A FATHER - WAS PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT INVOLVED? [/color]


* May 29, 2005 - Paulus was sitting next to Natalee in the Casino at the blackjack table talking to her.

*1:40 AM - May 30th, 2005 - stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.

Source: Joran's statement 6/14/05

* "Some of this information we have, we are not going to expose right now. I can tell you that from the information we have, [color=red]Paul Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway." [/color]

Source: Court TV Interview with TJ Ward, David Wright from the National Enquirer and CATHERINE CRIER Sept 26, 2005

* Deepak Kalpoe to Joran: "Your own father, unbelievable"

Source: Secretly recorded Polis tapes June 2005

* MICKEY JOHN: "He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. [color=red]He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story. [/color]

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story."

http://www.foxnews.com/pr(...),3566,161044,00.html

"No Body No Case"

Paulus did say no body, no case, just after Natalee disappeared, While discussing with the boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319






Superior Court Diario - 02-14-2007

The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that [color=red]Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared[/color]. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/


[color=red]ACCORDING TO THE LAW: MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER [/color]

Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder. Those definitions are:

a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;

b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;

[color=red]Under Dutch law, there ARE charges that apply here of obstruction of justice and obstruction of an investigation. Lying, such as when J. SLOOT, DEEPAK and SATISH lied about leaving NATALEE at the “Holiday Inn,” WOULD constitute an obstruction of one or the other kind depending on the lie.[/color]


Joran: “I knew she wanted to fuck (talks about Natalee)”
Joran: “I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna fuck her.”
Joran: “So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill fuck her”
Joran: “Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth”
Joran: “I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrove trees at the mariott. “

At this point Joran is aware that Natalee is in distress, but he does nothing to help her. He doesn't call 911, he doesn't yell for help, he doesn't run to the Marriott and call for anyone to help her.

Involuntary manslaughter exists when a person commits an unlawful killing but does not intend to kill and does not act with the conscious disregard for human life.

Joran: “I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him.

Joran: she is in the ocean.

Patrick: how did you know she died?

Joran: I just knew

P: did you try CPR?

[color=red]Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up

P: how did you know if she was dead? wasn't she in a coma?

J: I didnt know.

P: did you feel her'?

J; no, but it didn't look good...

Joran: I wasn't sure she was dead.[/color]


Joran: “I only spent 2 hours with her. I fingerfucked her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didn't lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"


[color=red]He has her disposed of and doesn't even know whether she is dead or still alive.[/color]

http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html

[color=red]JORAN KNEW IF HE LEFT NATALEE ON THE BEACH AND SHE SURVIVED, HIS DNA WOULD BE FOUND AND HE'D BE ARRESTED FOR RAPE [/color]

Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"


Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder.

a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;
b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;


[color=blue]* Joran knew Natalee was drunk

* Joran knew Natalee was unconscious and he "had sex with" her.

* Joran doesn't know if Natalee was dead when he disposed of her.

* Joran showed no concern for eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway's life and had her disposed of in the ocean.

* Joran lied in order to cover up his crime [/color]


35. Kept against her will, Natalee was sexually assaulted, was fondled and was touched without her consent by Joran and his accomplices, over and over again, as she drifted in and out of consciousness.

Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006

"I think I am incredibly lucky that she's never been found because if she had been found I would be in deep shit"

Source: Peter deVries secret recordings:
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html


From the secretly recorded police car conversations between Joran, Deepak and Satish:

Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.


Citizens of the world want justice.

America wants justice.

[color=maroon][size=12pt]Extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States to stand trial. [/size] [/color]

Gerard Spong, a prominent Dutch attorney, stated earlier today that there is a very real chance that van der Sloot may win the criminal case, but will be unable to win a civil suit brought by the surviving family members. Since there is an extradition treaty between the Netherlands and the United States, possible damages may be "..far more than he will ever be able to repay. The American system for awarding damages can have devastating results."

http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/


When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS

[color=blue]1. Murder; assault with intent to commit murder.

2. Manslaughter.

3. Malicious wounding; inflicting grievous bodily harm.

4. Arson.

5. Rape; indecent assault; incest; bigamy.

8. Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment.

21. Perjury; subornation of perjury; making a false statement to a government agency or official.

28. Offenses against the laws relating to the traffic in, or the possession, production or manufacture of narcotic drugs, cannabis, psychotropic drugs, cocaine and its derivatives, and other dangerous drugs and chemicals.

29. Offenses against laws relating to the poisonous chemicals or substances injurious to health.


32. Offenses against the laws relating to obstruction of justice.[/color]

[color=red]Natalee Holloway and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee's Freebirds[/color]
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

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Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 21:20 schreef dazzle123 het volgende:

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Bullcrap. She was drunk that is a fact. Even her girlfriends told the FBI that she was drinking al day. If you want tot be taken serious you really have to stop posting this nonsens.

Last picture of Natalee


You have proof she was drunk? Where the hell do any of her friends say she was drunk at C&C? Where is that stated as a fact? She was perfectly fine before Joran gave her that shot of GHB I mean alcohol,that is what they said in the FBI files. Yes,so she drank during parts of this trip,that is far from saying she was drunk when she left the bar. She was drugged by predators and that is a big difference then saying she was a drunkin teen who acted irresponsibly and hopped in a car with 3 strangers. Witnesses even saw them go back in the bar and escort her out after everyone left. She could barely walk and Deepak was seen holding her by the arm.