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Sure when I get called a liar and others are spreading wrong information I will react. You disrespected me not once but twice in this forum.I never said anyone was stupid and yes I know a tremendous amount about this case and have read and seen just about everything there is to know outside of the case files.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:09 schreef lookinforyou het volgende:
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No I am not looking for wrong information. It's just the way you react. You know everything and ooooh how stupid we are.
I just want the truth and you are not the one who can tell the truth, because you don't know the facts either.
You're on a dutch forum and you can respect us.
I respect the Dutch a great deal but people come on this thread and continue to tell wrong information and then attack me when I show the truth. Saying things like Natalee had lack of sleep,was drunk and was using drugs. All lies..It may not be there fault as they didn't read up on this case and in the PV's. Natalee slept most of that day,was not drunk and most certainly did not have any drugs or use any drugs on that trip and as far as everyone that has ever known her she has never used drugs. You should read up on Buuti (Beoti) Naar who is Dompigs Brother in law. He is also the same person that implicated two innocent men that were arrested on June 5th to lead this Investigation away from the real killers. He is also the same crack addict that says he saw Natalee with drugs..The other is a friend of Jorans..Coincidence?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
over 50 jaar zal alle documenten wel vrij komen , tot zolang is joran de de onberechte maar schuldige dader , zullen we dat samen afspreken en als statement bij the aruba´s politie laten vastleggen !!!
paul van der sloot als advocaat weigeren in elke zaak. joran zijn toekomst niet meer serieus nemen. een mooiere en langere straf kan je toch niet bedenken.
paul van der sloot als advocaat weigeren in elke zaak. joran zijn toekomst niet meer serieus nemen. een mooiere en langere straf kan je toch niet bedenken.
Ze heeft toch al die andere nachten gewoon in haar hotelkamer geslapen?quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:04 schreef Rosite het volgende:
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Weet je, die lui hebben een heerlijke vakantieweek gehad waarin de remmen los zijn gegaan, niets mis mee en er zijn veel getuigenissen dat ze ontzettend veel dronken en mogelijk hebben ze ook drugs gebruikt in die week, waarom niet, en waarom N. niet, dat kan toch? Dat is toch niet zo raar? Misschien wel raar als ze het niet gedaan zouden hebben. Maar de kans dat zij onwel geworden is door de combinatie: weinig slaap, heel veel drinken, de warmte, misschien veel te weinig ander vocht en dan uitdroging, mogelijk drugsgebruik, alles bij elkaar kan toch hebben geleid tot het onwel worden, eventueel in een coma raken, waar Joran bij was? En waarom niet de waarheid van de medestudenten over die week eerlijk op tafel? Want dat ligt gewoon niet eerlijk op tafel, zie mijn postings met artikelen die daar over gaan. Ik ga dus niet zomaar er vanuit dat Joran haar drugs gegeven zou hebben. Ik weet het niet, het kan, maar het kan ook dat dat niet zo is, en heel veel tekenen wijzen daar ook op vind ik.
Alleen de laatste nacht niet?
Toevallig nadat ze met die drie jongens in de auto in de nacht verdween?
Iemand (ik dacht Bwennie Bren maar weet het niet meer zeker) heeft een hele waslijst met verklaringen van schoolgenootjes geplaatst in een van de hoofdstukken Nathalee in de rebound. Ik heb er een paar gelezen en zag niets raars staan eerlijk gezegd.
Kan aan mij liggen, maar ik vind het echt bot en onzinnig hier andere dingen achter te zoeken.
observer 777 , some cases are never solved in this case the police has made great and stupid faulth, because they are not objective in the begining.
Ja, dat zijn de brave verhaaltjes geweest die ze moesten vertellen, maar dat is niet zoals die week echt was hoor, daar zijn veel andere getuigenissen over. en nogmaals: prima, gewoon lekker de beest uitgehangen een week. Niks mis mee. Maar ik zoek er juist wat achter als er gedaan wordt alsof J. haar drugs toegediend zou hebben,dat vind ik minder waarschijnlijk dan dat ze het gewoon zelf gebruikt heeft die week en dus door eerder door mij genoemde combinatie van factoren onwel geraakt is/in coma. Op zijn minst is dat in ieder geval volkomen open wat mij betreft.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:30 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Iemand (ik dacht Bwennie Bren maar weet het niet meer zeker) heeft een hele waslijst met verklaringen van schoolgenootjes geplaatst in een van de hoofdstukken Nathalee in de rebound. Ik heb er een paar gelezen en zag niets raars staan eerlijk gezegd.
Kan aan mij liggen, maar ik vind het echt bot en onzinnig hier andere dingen achter te zoeken.
Hello duikkie,quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:33 schreef duikkie het volgende:
observer 777 , some cases are never solved in this case the police has made great and stupid faulth, because they are not objective in the begining.
I pray this case is solved and has closure,because right now it is hurting a great deal of people just because of a few that don't want to tell the truth. The Police in this case were not stupid idiots and it wasn't by accident they made all these horrific and unbelievable blunders. They were close friends of Paul Van Der Sloots and they were hoping this would all go away after a few short weeks. It never did. Everything just escaladed since then and it is way out of control.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
rosite , americanen zijn nu eenmaal gevoelig voor sommige zaken. daarom kan het op vacantie ook zo verschikkelijk verkeert gaan. maakt het uit voor de verdwijning nee toch al was ze zo nuchter en clean als de pest ze is nog steeds pleitte en joran en de broers waren de laatste die bij haar waren en logen dat ze haar hadden afgezet bij holyday inn hotel , hoe schuldig moet je zijn om zo te liegen. tewijl ze weten dat het nooit zo was
Het is oke duikkie, ik lees er gewoon ook veel over en probeer een gewogen oordeel te krijgen en zomaar een amerikaan gaat mij heus geen dingen laten geloven omdat het toevallig zijn visie is. Ik hoop ook, voor Aruba, Nederland en de VS dat dit tot een einde komt middels een eerlijke veroordeling, wie dat ook moge zijn, want 100% zeker ben ik er zeker niet van en wie wel, kan niet als je de bewijzen niet hebt. maar ik vrees dat het bewijs, de bewijzen niet meer te vinden zijn, dat had in de eerste paar dagen moeten gebeuren. Maar, wie weet, we wachten af.
you can pray , but the case will not be solved. next time joran tell something else called `the hole thuth nothhing else ´ . will you believe him then. there are a lot of people that will never get rest. natalee will never been found, because i think she is only dust, not even bones anymore. it´s a hard world that we living in.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:43 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I pray this case is solved and has closure,because right now it is hurting a great deal of people just because of a few that don't want to tell the truth.
we kunnen wachten tot we een ons wegenquote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:49 schreef Rosite het volgende:
Het is oke duikkie, ik lees er gewoon ook veel over en probeer een gewogen oordeel te krijgen en zomaar een amerikaan gaat mij heus geen dingen laten geloven omdat het toevallig zijn visie is. Ik hoop ook, voor Aruba, Nederland en de VS dat dit tot een einde komt middels een eerlijke veroordeling, wie dat ook moge zijn, want 100% zeker ben ik er zeker niet van en wie wel, kan niet als je de bewijzen niet hebt. maar ik vrees dat het bewijs, de bewijzen niet meer te vinden zijn, dat had in de eerste paar dagen moeten gebeuren. Maar, wie weet, we wachten af.
, een mens bestaat trouwens uit gemiddeld 20 ons en dat alleen als hij niet door de schoonsteen is weg geblazen.
waarom is Paul van der sloot rechter in opleiding daar mee gestopt ?
iets hogers valt er op aruba op dat gebied niet te halen
de gouveneur en mensen van justitie geven daar geen antwoord op
er Moet iets gebeurd zijn !!
iemand stopt niet uit zichzelf met zoiets en wordt dan weer gewoon advocaatje
verklaringen hiervoor zijn welkom
iets hogers valt er op aruba op dat gebied niet te halen
de gouveneur en mensen van justitie geven daar geen antwoord op
er Moet iets gebeurd zijn !!
iemand stopt niet uit zichzelf met zoiets en wordt dan weer gewoon advocaatje
verklaringen hiervoor zijn welkom
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
alleen wachten...quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 20:00 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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we kunnen wachten tot we een ons wegen
we kunnen ook vragen aan de tweede kamer of ze de nederlandse steun aan aruba stop willen zetten zolang daar justitie niet is doorgelicht en op orde gebracht.
anders hebben ze zo een tweede of een derde natalee.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
zijn er nog meisjes , die niet zijn gewaarschuwd zijn voor joran de verschikkelijke dan caesu !!!
van hogere hand of machten zal wel geholpen zijn om paul maar advocaatje te laten zijn joran 555
van hogere hand of machten zal wel geholpen zijn om paul maar advocaatje te laten zijn joran 555
observer 777 do you know if the man left of natalee at the black jack tabel at 2023 29 may is paul , the girls who are with natalee that time , must have seen the man beter then we can see or is that not inportant for fbi
Misschien had hij wel redenen om uit zichzelf te stoppen.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 20:11 schreef johan555 het volgende:
waarom is Paul van der sloot rechter in opleiding daar mee gestopt ?
iets hogers valt er op aruba op dat gebied niet te halen
de gouveneur en mensen van justitie geven daar geen antwoord op
er Moet iets gebeurd zijn !!
iemand stopt niet uit zichzelf met zoiets en wordt dan weer gewoon advocaatje
verklaringen hiervoor zijn welkom
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Er staan verhoren van de FBI van de vriendinnen/medestudenten van natalee op het internet. De link staat hier ergens op het forum. En daar komt toch heel duidelijk een ander beeld naar voren. Een beeld van een natalee die al dagenlang aan het zuipen was en die zelfs een dag eerder niet op eigen houtje naar het hotel kon komen omdat ze te dronken was.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 18:58 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
@ Rosite,
Heb jij wel eens gelezen dat de schoolvrienden vertelden dat Nathalee drugs gebruikte? Nee toch?
Ja misschien is er de laatste avond iets in haar drankje gegooid, dat weten we dus niet.
Heb je ook het verhaal gelezen van die taxichauffeur die zogenaamd had gehoord tijdens een taxirit dat Nathalee in de rehab zat vlak voordat ze klaar was met haar school? Wanneer moet ze dan in de rehab hebben gezeten? Tijdens haar school?
En dan wel succesvol examen doen?
Wie presteert dat? Heb je gelezen wat ze naast haar school allemaal deed? Dan kun je toch geen drugs gebruiken? En al helemaal niet in een rehab zitten.
Ik denk dat het allemaal leugens zijn om Nathalee zwart te maken.
Nou is dat allemaal helemaal niet erg aangezien veel meisjes van 18 dat wel eens hebben maar laten we het wel bij de waarheid houden. Het is zeker niet onwaarschijnlijk dat het meisje een od heeft gehad. Het kan ook zeker zo zijn dat Joran GHB in haar drankje heeft gedaan maar dan had zo zowiezo al heeeel veel gedronken anders ga je nog steeds niet zomaar dood.
Daarnaast vraag ik me af waarom Joran GHB in haar dranken zou gooien aangezien Natalee zelf met Joran mee wilde. En ook dat blijkt vrij duidelijk uit de verhoren van de vriendinnen van Natalee die door de FBI zijn afgenomen.
I am not 100% sure no,but It sure look's like him to me. The girls at the table may not have been paying close attention to him and I don't even know if they have been asked to identify that person. Both a American reporter and Jossy Mansur both said there sources say that is indeed Paul Van Der Sloot next to Natalee at the table.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 20:30 schreef duikkie het volgende:
observer 777 do you know if the man left of natalee at the black jack tabel at 2023 29 may is paul , the girls who are with natalee that time , must have seen the man beter then we can see or is that not inportant for fbi
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Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005
After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)
Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE’S SOURCES
June 9, 2006
Kimberly Guilfoyle: "What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html
JOHN Q. KELLY
April 4, 2006
COSBY … "John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?"
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: "Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
En ze zei dat ze later naar het hotel zou komen.
Is de familie of zijn de schoolgenoten schuldig aan wat er gebeurd is omdat ze met drie jongens in de auto in de nacht verdween?
Is Nathalee zelf schuldig aan wat haar is overkomen omdat ze met die jongens in de nacht verdween?
Is de familie of zijn de schoolgenoten schuldig aan wat er gebeurd is omdat ze met drie jongens in de auto in de nacht verdween?
Is Nathalee zelf schuldig aan wat haar is overkomen omdat ze met die jongens in de nacht verdween?
Natalee's Freebirds:
[size=14pt]MOORDENAAR -DUTCH translation means MURDERER! [/size]
Joran: "Things seem to be going even better than I hoped."
[color=red]JORAN VAN DER SLOOT TELLS HOW NATALEE DIED AND HOW HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY[/color]
Peter de Vries program secretly videotaped Joran van der Sloot with
Patrick van der Eem who befriended Joran, and in the secret recordings Joran describes in detail the most horrific crime he committed against Natalee Ann Holloway in Aruba in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.
Along with Joran's statements we see that he went out on the evening of May 29, 2005 with the intent to hook up with the Mountain Brook girls at a nightclub in Aruba named Carlos n' Charlie's. Even though Joran is underage he illegally enters Carlos n' Charlie's and has arranged for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to go with him.
“I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.”
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
Then Joran describes leaving Carlos n' Charlie's with Natalee in Deepak's car where Natalee becomes unconscious.
"Driving past the front of the Marriott Hotel Natalee half fell asleep/half dozed off. "
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
[color=red]THE PREDATOR - JORAN VAN DER SLOOT[/color]
JORAN STATED ON HIS WEBPAGE HE ATTENDED ST. LEO UNIVERSITY IN FLORIDA WHEN THE TRUTH IS HE LIVED IN ARUBA AND ATTENDED HIGH SCHOOL
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
Joran explains to Greta that he has picked up girls in the clubs in Aruba before:
VAN DER SLOOT: [color=red]"I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong." [/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html
Holly Brown, a friend who accompanied Holloway to Aruba and was at Carlos ‘N Charlie’s the night she disappeared, said she found Van Der Sloot to be “very different.”
“We noticed he was in the casino all by himself,” she told CNN in Alabama. [color=red]“He lied about his age, and when we went on the (Carlos ‘N Charlie’s) Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes.” [/color]
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
"11. Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to sexual assault on young women"
"12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women" alleged that they were the victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices."
"13. Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey upon young female tourists, especially blonds."
"20. ON the afternoon of May 29 in particular, Paulus van der Sloot personally delivered and accompanied his underage son Joran to one of Aruba's casinos in order that both of them could, as they had many times in the past, play in a poker tournament. It was at that casino
that Joran first met Natalee."
Source: New York Civil Suit filed by John Q. Kelly
Not only does Joran frequent the casino's, but so does his father and on the night of May 30, 2005, BOTH Joran and his father, Paulus van der Sloot met Natalee
BETH HOLLOWAY'S JUNE 1, 2005 STATEMENT WAS CHANGED BY AUTHORITIES
“Beth said that one of the things that had gotten changed about her statements that was so upsetting to her was that she had given detailed [color=red]descriptions of Paulus Van der Sloot [/color] with his name included several times in her statement and when she got it translated, she found out that [color=red]her description had been changed to read only “the man with the glasses”. [/color]
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: "Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that [color=red]Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee." [/color]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE’S SOURCES
June 9, 2006
Kimberly Guilfoyle: "What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. [color=red]As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino."[/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html
JOHN Q. KELLY
April 4, 2006
COSBY … "John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?"
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: [color=red]"Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.[/color] And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/
[color=red]JORAN MEETS NATALEE [/color]
"32. At C&C, the trio [Joran,Deepak, Satish] met Natalee. After buying and serving Natalee with alcoholic beverages, Joran, Deepak and Satish induced her to leave with them."
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
Greta Van Susteren: "Do you remember any conversation at all you had with him, like even if it was like' about chips, or anything at all?"
Ruth McVey: "Only that [color=red]he said that he was 19 and played soccer at a school in Holland." [/color]
Greta Van Susteren: "So he didn't say that he was in high school?"
Ruth McVey: "No"
http://scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm
"33. At approximately 1:30 a.m, Natalee, in an intoxicated state, left C&C and entered a sliver Nissan sedan owned by Deepak. Deepak drove, with Satish in the front passenger seat and Joran and Natalee in the back seat. The car drove off."
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
[color=red]NATALEE IS RAPED[/color]
DID JORAN RAPE NATALEE? – whom he knowingly and admittedly stated was unconscious and drunk
"I placed my left hand at that moment in time between the inside of her leg. I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee. With my fingers I pushed Natalee's panty to the side and fingered her with two fingers. According to me she was shaved because I did not feel any hair. I first stuck my middle finger inside and then I put my index finger inside. While I was doing this Natalee and I kept kissing. I fingered Natalee for about one to two minutes and then pulled my hand out of her panty and placed my hand on her hip."
source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05
JORAN DESCRIBES NATALEE'S UNDERCLOTHING
"Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers."
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
[color=red]"Natalee fell half asleep/dozed off again.
While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore." [/color]
source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05
[color=red]Joran told me, “Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk[/color]. We had sex on the beach'."http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326
Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"
Source: Peter deVries secret recordings
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
DID DEEPAK RAPE NATALEE?
Deepak Kalpoe admits they all had sex with her:
11-23 FOX News
"When FOX News commented then asked “So Jamie can I ask you...the clip that we heard where Deepak it could be suggested says that the boys had sex with Natalee. Specifically, that he did and it was very easy to do. Is that authentic? Is that what he told you when you interviewed him?,”
SKEETERS said [color=red]“Yes, the word was ‘you'd be surprised how simple it was." [/color]
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story"
source 6/29/05 Deepak Statement
John Charles Croes/Deepak Kalpoe friend - chat traffic/6/19/05/Dennis Jacobs / Luigi Croes
source: Kalpoe vs. McGraw lawsuit
http://homepage.mac.com/m(...)tements_timeline.htm
[color=red]SINS OF A FATHER - WAS PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT INVOLVED? [/color]
* May 29, 2005 - Paulus was sitting next to Natalee in the Casino at the blackjack table talking to her.
*1:40 AM - May 30th, 2005 - stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.
Source: Joran's statement 6/14/05
* "Some of this information we have, we are not going to expose right now. I can tell you that from the information we have, [color=red]Paul Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway." [/color]
Source: Court TV Interview with TJ Ward, David Wright from the National Enquirer and CATHERINE CRIER Sept 26, 2005
* Deepak Kalpoe to Joran: "Your own father, unbelievable"
Source: Secretly recorded Polis tapes June 2005
* MICKEY JOHN: "He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. [color=red]He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story. [/color]
VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?
JOHN: All of them. They made up...
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?
JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story."
http://www.foxnews.com/pr(...),3566,161044,00.html
"No Body No Case"
Paulus did say no body, no case, just after Natalee disappeared, While discussing with the boys.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319
Superior Court Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that [color=red]Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared[/color]. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
[color=red]ACCORDING TO THE LAW: MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER [/color]
Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder. Those definitions are:
a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;
b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;
[color=red]Under Dutch law, there ARE charges that apply here of obstruction of justice and obstruction of an investigation. Lying, such as when J. SLOOT, DEEPAK and SATISH lied about leaving NATALEE at the “Holiday Inn,” WOULD constitute an obstruction of one or the other kind depending on the lie.[/color]
Joran: “I knew she wanted to fuck (talks about Natalee)”
Joran: “I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna fuck her.”
Joran: “So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill fuck her”
Joran: “Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth”
Joran: “I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrove trees at the mariott. “
At this point Joran is aware that Natalee is in distress, but he does nothing to help her. He doesn't call 911, he doesn't yell for help, he doesn't run to the Marriott and call for anyone to help her.
Involuntary manslaughter exists when a person commits an unlawful killing but does not intend to kill and does not act with the conscious disregard for human life.
Joran: “I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him.
Joran: she is in the ocean.
Patrick: how did you know she died?
Joran: I just knew
P: did you try CPR?
[color=red]Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up
P: how did you know if she was dead? wasn't she in a coma?
J: I didnt know.
P: did you feel her'?
J; no, but it didn't look good...
Joran: I wasn't sure she was dead.[/color]
Joran: “I only spent 2 hours with her. I fingerfucked her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didn't lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"
[color=red]He has her disposed of and doesn't even know whether she is dead or still alive.[/color]
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
[color=red]JORAN KNEW IF HE LEFT NATALEE ON THE BEACH AND SHE SURVIVED, HIS DNA WOULD BE FOUND AND HE'D BE ARRESTED FOR RAPE [/color]
Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"
Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder.
a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;
b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;
[color=blue]* Joran knew Natalee was drunk
* Joran knew Natalee was unconscious and he "had sex with" her.
* Joran doesn't know if Natalee was dead when he disposed of her.
* Joran showed no concern for eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway's life and had her disposed of in the ocean.
* Joran lied in order to cover up his crime [/color]
35. Kept against her will, Natalee was sexually assaulted, was fondled and was touched without her consent by Joran and his accomplices, over and over again, as she drifted in and out of consciousness.
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
"I think I am incredibly lucky that she's never been found because if she had been found I would be in deep shit"
Source: Peter deVries secret recordings:
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
From the secretly recorded police car conversations between Joran, Deepak and Satish:
Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Citizens of the world want justice.
America wants justice.
[color=maroon][size=12pt]Extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States to stand trial. [/size] [/color]
Gerard Spong, a prominent Dutch attorney, stated earlier today that there is a very real chance that van der Sloot may win the criminal case, but will be unable to win a civil suit brought by the surviving family members. Since there is an extradition treaty between the Netherlands and the United States, possible damages may be "..far more than he will ever be able to repay. The American system for awarding damages can have devastating results."
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS
[color=blue]1. Murder; assault with intent to commit murder.
2. Manslaughter.
3. Malicious wounding; inflicting grievous bodily harm.
4. Arson.
5. Rape; indecent assault; incest; bigamy.
8. Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment.
21. Perjury; subornation of perjury; making a false statement to a government agency or official.
28. Offenses against the laws relating to the traffic in, or the possession, production or manufacture of narcotic drugs, cannabis, psychotropic drugs, cocaine and its derivatives, and other dangerous drugs and chemicals.
29. Offenses against laws relating to the poisonous chemicals or substances injurious to health.
32. Offenses against the laws relating to obstruction of justice.[/color]
[color=red]Natalee Holloway and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds[/color]
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
[size=14pt]MOORDENAAR -DUTCH translation means MURDERER! [/size]
Joran: "Things seem to be going even better than I hoped."
[color=red]JORAN VAN DER SLOOT TELLS HOW NATALEE DIED AND HOW HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY[/color]
Peter de Vries program secretly videotaped Joran van der Sloot with
Patrick van der Eem who befriended Joran, and in the secret recordings Joran describes in detail the most horrific crime he committed against Natalee Ann Holloway in Aruba in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.
Along with Joran's statements we see that he went out on the evening of May 29, 2005 with the intent to hook up with the Mountain Brook girls at a nightclub in Aruba named Carlos n' Charlie's. Even though Joran is underage he illegally enters Carlos n' Charlie's and has arranged for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to go with him.
“I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.”
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
Then Joran describes leaving Carlos n' Charlie's with Natalee in Deepak's car where Natalee becomes unconscious.
"Driving past the front of the Marriott Hotel Natalee half fell asleep/half dozed off. "
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
[color=red]THE PREDATOR - JORAN VAN DER SLOOT[/color]
JORAN STATED ON HIS WEBPAGE HE ATTENDED ST. LEO UNIVERSITY IN FLORIDA WHEN THE TRUTH IS HE LIVED IN ARUBA AND ATTENDED HIGH SCHOOL
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
Joran explains to Greta that he has picked up girls in the clubs in Aruba before:
VAN DER SLOOT: [color=red]"I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong." [/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html
Holly Brown, a friend who accompanied Holloway to Aruba and was at Carlos ‘N Charlie’s the night she disappeared, said she found Van Der Sloot to be “very different.”
“We noticed he was in the casino all by himself,” she told CNN in Alabama. [color=red]“He lied about his age, and when we went on the (Carlos ‘N Charlie’s) Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes.” [/color]
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
"11. Joran van der Sloot is no stranger to sexual assault on young women"
"12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women" alleged that they were the victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices."
"13. Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey upon young female tourists, especially blonds."
"20. ON the afternoon of May 29 in particular, Paulus van der Sloot personally delivered and accompanied his underage son Joran to one of Aruba's casinos in order that both of them could, as they had many times in the past, play in a poker tournament. It was at that casino
that Joran first met Natalee."
Source: New York Civil Suit filed by John Q. Kelly
Not only does Joran frequent the casino's, but so does his father and on the night of May 30, 2005, BOTH Joran and his father, Paulus van der Sloot met Natalee
BETH HOLLOWAY'S JUNE 1, 2005 STATEMENT WAS CHANGED BY AUTHORITIES
“Beth said that one of the things that had gotten changed about her statements that was so upsetting to her was that she had given detailed [color=red]descriptions of Paulus Van der Sloot [/color] with his name included several times in her statement and when she got it translated, she found out that [color=red]her description had been changed to read only “the man with the glasses”. [/color]
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: "Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that [color=red]Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee." [/color]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE’S SOURCES
June 9, 2006
Kimberly Guilfoyle: "What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. [color=red]As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino."[/color]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198887,00.html
JOHN Q. KELLY
April 4, 2006
COSBY … "John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?"
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: [color=red]"Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.[/color] And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/
[color=red]JORAN MEETS NATALEE [/color]
"32. At C&C, the trio [Joran,Deepak, Satish] met Natalee. After buying and serving Natalee with alcoholic beverages, Joran, Deepak and Satish induced her to leave with them."
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
Greta Van Susteren: "Do you remember any conversation at all you had with him, like even if it was like' about chips, or anything at all?"
Ruth McVey: "Only that [color=red]he said that he was 19 and played soccer at a school in Holland." [/color]
Greta Van Susteren: "So he didn't say that he was in high school?"
Ruth McVey: "No"
http://scrux.com/natalee/mbinterview.htm
"33. At approximately 1:30 a.m, Natalee, in an intoxicated state, left C&C and entered a sliver Nissan sedan owned by Deepak. Deepak drove, with Satish in the front passenger seat and Joran and Natalee in the back seat. The car drove off."
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
[color=red]NATALEE IS RAPED[/color]
DID JORAN RAPE NATALEE? – whom he knowingly and admittedly stated was unconscious and drunk
"I placed my left hand at that moment in time between the inside of her leg. I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee. With my fingers I pushed Natalee's panty to the side and fingered her with two fingers. According to me she was shaved because I did not feel any hair. I first stuck my middle finger inside and then I put my index finger inside. While I was doing this Natalee and I kept kissing. I fingered Natalee for about one to two minutes and then pulled my hand out of her panty and placed my hand on her hip."
source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05
JORAN DESCRIBES NATALEE'S UNDERCLOTHING
"Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers."
Source: Joran van der Sloot June 9, 2005 statement
[color=red]"Natalee fell half asleep/dozed off again.
While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore." [/color]
source:Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05
[color=red]Joran told me, “Natalee was totally wasted, and I was drunk[/color]. We had sex on the beach'."http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326
Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"
Source: Peter deVries secret recordings
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
DID DEEPAK RAPE NATALEE?
Deepak Kalpoe admits they all had sex with her:
11-23 FOX News
"When FOX News commented then asked “So Jamie can I ask you...the clip that we heard where Deepak it could be suggested says that the boys had sex with Natalee. Specifically, that he did and it was very easy to do. Is that authentic? Is that what he told you when you interviewed him?,”
SKEETERS said [color=red]“Yes, the word was ‘you'd be surprised how simple it was." [/color]
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story"
source 6/29/05 Deepak Statement
John Charles Croes/Deepak Kalpoe friend - chat traffic/6/19/05/Dennis Jacobs / Luigi Croes
source: Kalpoe vs. McGraw lawsuit
http://homepage.mac.com/m(...)tements_timeline.htm
[color=red]SINS OF A FATHER - WAS PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT INVOLVED? [/color]
* May 29, 2005 - Paulus was sitting next to Natalee in the Casino at the blackjack table talking to her.
*1:40 AM - May 30th, 2005 - stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.
Source: Joran's statement 6/14/05
* "Some of this information we have, we are not going to expose right now. I can tell you that from the information we have, [color=red]Paul Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway." [/color]
Source: Court TV Interview with TJ Ward, David Wright from the National Enquirer and CATHERINE CRIER Sept 26, 2005
* Deepak Kalpoe to Joran: "Your own father, unbelievable"
Source: Secretly recorded Polis tapes June 2005
* MICKEY JOHN: "He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. [color=red]He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story. [/color]
VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?
JOHN: All of them. They made up...
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?
JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story."
http://www.foxnews.com/pr(...),3566,161044,00.html
"No Body No Case"
Paulus did say no body, no case, just after Natalee disappeared, While discussing with the boys.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319
Superior Court Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that [color=red]Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared[/color]. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
[color=red]ACCORDING TO THE LAW: MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER [/color]
Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder. Those definitions are:
a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;
b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;
[color=red]Under Dutch law, there ARE charges that apply here of obstruction of justice and obstruction of an investigation. Lying, such as when J. SLOOT, DEEPAK and SATISH lied about leaving NATALEE at the “Holiday Inn,” WOULD constitute an obstruction of one or the other kind depending on the lie.[/color]
Joran: “I knew she wanted to fuck (talks about Natalee)”
Joran: “I then gave her a bacardi 151 (75% alcohol). She asked for a chaser, I see shes so drunk, but I thought: Im gonna fuck her.”
Joran: “So I said to S&D, drop us on the beach, Ill fuck her”
Joran: “Then she started shaking like crazy... The beach was empty, I walked to her, no reaction, she just kept shaking, NO foam around her mouth”
Joran: “I picked Nat up and put her near the mangrove trees at the mariott. “
At this point Joran is aware that Natalee is in distress, but he does nothing to help her. He doesn't call 911, he doesn't yell for help, he doesn't run to the Marriott and call for anyone to help her.
Involuntary manslaughter exists when a person commits an unlawful killing but does not intend to kill and does not act with the conscious disregard for human life.
Joran: “I started thinking, no one know I even left the house. But I knew this guy I "had" something on, so I phoned him.
Joran: she is in the ocean.
Patrick: how did you know she died?
Joran: I just knew
P: did you try CPR?
[color=red]Joran: I tried everything, I pulled her up
P: how did you know if she was dead? wasn't she in a coma?
J: I didnt know.
P: did you feel her'?
J; no, but it didn't look good...
Joran: I wasn't sure she was dead.[/color]
Joran: “I only spent 2 hours with her. I fingerfucked her, she jerked me off, I just wanted to ask her for a blowjob went she started shaking... I didn't lose a nights sleep, I have to look good"
[color=red]He has her disposed of and doesn't even know whether she is dead or still alive.[/color]
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
[color=red]JORAN KNEW IF HE LEFT NATALEE ON THE BEACH AND SHE SURVIVED, HIS DNA WOULD BE FOUND AND HE'D BE ARRESTED FOR RAPE [/color]
Joran: "Even if they find her dead, with my semen in her"
Murder is a form of homicide committed with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought has various definitions, all of which relate to the state of mind of the person who commits murder.
a.intention to cause grevious injury and death resulted;
b.conduct with a "depraved heart" showing lack of care for human life;
[color=blue]* Joran knew Natalee was drunk
* Joran knew Natalee was unconscious and he "had sex with" her.
* Joran doesn't know if Natalee was dead when he disposed of her.
* Joran showed no concern for eighteen-year-old Natalee Holloway's life and had her disposed of in the ocean.
* Joran lied in order to cover up his crime [/color]
35. Kept against her will, Natalee was sexually assaulted, was fondled and was touched without her consent by Joran and his accomplices, over and over again, as she drifted in and out of consciousness.
Source: New York Civil Law Suit filed by John Q. Kelly and Chadbourne & Parke, February 16, 2006
"I think I am incredibly lucky that she's never been found because if she had been found I would be in deep shit"
Source: Peter deVries secret recordings:
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)t_volledig_leeg.html
From the secretly recorded police car conversations between Joran, Deepak and Satish:
Deepak: They’re going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Citizens of the world want justice.
America wants justice.
[color=maroon][size=12pt]Extradite Joran van der Sloot to the United States to stand trial. [/size] [/color]
Gerard Spong, a prominent Dutch attorney, stated earlier today that there is a very real chance that van der Sloot may win the criminal case, but will be unable to win a civil suit brought by the surviving family members. Since there is an extradition treaty between the Netherlands and the United States, possible damages may be "..far more than he will ever be able to repay. The American system for awarding damages can have devastating results."
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS
[color=blue]1. Murder; assault with intent to commit murder.
2. Manslaughter.
3. Malicious wounding; inflicting grievous bodily harm.
4. Arson.
5. Rape; indecent assault; incest; bigamy.
8. Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment.
21. Perjury; subornation of perjury; making a false statement to a government agency or official.
28. Offenses against the laws relating to the traffic in, or the possession, production or manufacture of narcotic drugs, cannabis, psychotropic drugs, cocaine and its derivatives, and other dangerous drugs and chemicals.
29. Offenses against laws relating to the poisonous chemicals or substances injurious to health.
32. Offenses against the laws relating to obstruction of justice.[/color]
[color=red]Natalee Holloway and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds[/color]
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Misschien had ze helemaal geen drugs gebruikt, zijn er ook geen drugs toegediend en is er iets heel anders gebeurd.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:39 schreef Rosite het volgende:
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Ja, dat zijn de brave verhaaltjes geweest die ze moesten vertellen, maar dat is niet zoals die week echt was hoor, daar zijn veel andere getuigenissen over. en nogmaals: prima, gewoon lekker de beest uitgehangen een week. Niks mis mee. Maar ik zoek er juist wat achter als er gedaan wordt alsof J. haar drugs toegediend zou hebben,dat vind ik minder waarschijnlijk dan dat ze het gewoon zelf gebruikt heeft die week en dus door eerder door mij genoemde combinatie van factoren onwel geraakt is/in coma. Op zijn minst is dat in ieder geval volkomen open wat mij betreft.
Weten we niet.
Getuigen hebben haar voor het laatst met Joran en vrienden gezien. Daarna is alles onduidelijk.
Op de computer van VdS is die nacht (volgens meerdere berichten) naar alcohol en drugs gegoogled. Misschien om een verklaarbaar verhaal in elkaar te draaien. Weten we ook niet.
Bullcrap. She was drunk that is a fact. Even her girlfriends told the FBI that she was drinking al day. If you want tot be taken serious you really have to stop posting this nonsens.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 19:24 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Saying things like Natalee had lack of sleep,was drunk and was using drugs. All lies..Natalee slept most of that day,was not drunk and most certainly did not have any drugs or use any drugs on that trip and as far as everyone that has ever known her she has never used drugs.
we weten een hele hoop niet, verder mag er na 3 jaar wel wat openheid komen. over alle computer gegeven van de pc van de familie van der sloot , wat deed valentijn daar snachts op ?? wat is de text van joran msn compleet ?? msn de deepkap altijd zo , eerder msn texten ??, wat zijn alle telefoon gegeven die nacht en van welke masten . enz,enz,enz wat is het telefoonverkeer tussen mobiel anita van de sloot ?? enz,enz enz, . OPENHEID anders weten we het nooit
Ik baal van gekleurde bullshit op dit forum, van die eenzijdig berichten van bepaalde persoon. Niets objectiefs, versluieren van de waarheid, maar laten ze maar dromen van hun 18-jarige maagden.
De waarheid brengt het niet dichterbij. Maar goed, ik heb nog hoop dat er duidelijkheid komt en zelfs als ze dronk en drugs gebruikte mag ze niet verdwijnen of gedood worden, maar stop met die bullshit te publiceren en de eenzijdige "waarheid" en zwartmakerij. Er staan leugens in over telefonische contacten van Paul met Natalee en zo. Geloof het alsjeblieft niet, de bronnen die genoemd worden zijn van de zelfde vuilspuiterij. Maar goed, iedereen moet maar bepalen waar hij betrouwbare informatie vindt staan en waar niet. Maar je wordt beduveld bij het leven hoor door een stel websites en een stel bronnen. Dat hele skeeters inteview is bullshit, de gebroeders Kalpoe hebben die dr. Phil, die het uitgezonden heeft ook aangeklaagd, er is geknoeid met de tape en dat is in een nederlands laboratorium vastgesteld en er komt een rechtszaak van. De Kalpoes hebben hen aangeklaagd wegens smaad, en terecht. En die shitzooi komt dan hier op het forum te staan.
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De waarheid brengt het niet dichterbij. Maar goed, ik heb nog hoop dat er duidelijkheid komt en zelfs als ze dronk en drugs gebruikte mag ze niet verdwijnen of gedood worden, maar stop met die bullshit te publiceren en de eenzijdige "waarheid" en zwartmakerij. Er staan leugens in over telefonische contacten van Paul met Natalee en zo. Geloof het alsjeblieft niet, de bronnen die genoemd worden zijn van de zelfde vuilspuiterij. Maar goed, iedereen moet maar bepalen waar hij betrouwbare informatie vindt staan en waar niet. Maar je wordt beduveld bij het leven hoor door een stel websites en een stel bronnen. Dat hele skeeters inteview is bullshit, de gebroeders Kalpoe hebben die dr. Phil, die het uitgezonden heeft ook aangeklaagd, er is geknoeid met de tape en dat is in een nederlands laboratorium vastgesteld en er komt een rechtszaak van. De Kalpoes hebben hen aangeklaagd wegens smaad, en terecht. En die shitzooi komt dan hier op het forum te staan.
[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door Rosite op 19-02-2008 21:39:38 ]
precies. huiszoekingsbevel bij het OM daar zou ik voorstellen, maar dat gaat natuurlijk niet.quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 21:22 schreef duikkie het volgende:
we weten een hele hoop niet, verder mag er na 3 jaar wel wat openheid komen. over alle computer gegeven van de pc van de familie van der sloot , wat deed valentijn daar snachts op ?? wat is de text van joran msn compleet ?? msn de deepkap altijd zo , eerder msn texten ??, wat zijn alle telefoon gegeven die nacht en van welke masten . enz,enz,enz wat is het telefoonverkeer tussen mobiel anita van de sloot ?? enz,enz enz, . OPENHEID anders weten we het nooit
laat hirsch ballin eens via de koninkrijksminister gebruik maken van die aanwijzingsbevoegdheid.
maakt de minister van justitie van aruba (croes) nota bene zelf ook continu gebruik van.
mag de procureur generaal dan weer beroep tegen aantekenen maar ik wil dan wel eens weten wat de bezwaren zijn.
deze hele zaak heeft al genoeg schade gedaan aan aruba maar ook aan het aanzien van nederland.
jvds loopt nota bene hier vrij rond. moeten we er op wachten totdat hij (weer?) rottigheid gaat uithalen.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
quote:Op dinsdag 19 februari 2008 21:20 schreef dazzle123 het volgende:
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Bullcrap. She was drunk that is a fact. Even her girlfriends told the FBI that she was drinking al day. If you want tot be taken serious you really have to stop posting this nonsens.
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You have proof she was drunk? Where the hell do any of her friends say she was drunk at C&C? Where is that stated as a fact? She was perfectly fine before Joran gave her that shot of GHB I mean alcohol,that is what they said in the FBI files. Yes,so she drank during parts of this trip,that is far from saying she was drunk when she left the bar. She was drugged by predators and that is a big difference then saying she was a drunkin teen who acted irresponsibly and hopped in a car with 3 strangers. Witnesses even saw them go back in the bar and escort her out after everyone left. She could barely walk and Deepak was seen holding her by the arm.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
