[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #373 Situation FUBAR

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2017 15:38 schreef Refragmental het volgende:
Salon begint al af te wijken van de Rusland hack hoax narrative vanwege een onlangs uitgebracht rapport.

https://www.salon.com/201(...)would-rather-ignore/

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2017 15:55 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:

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Salon .

Je weet dat deze onzin gebaseerd is op een rapport van Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), een welbekende crackpot organisatie?

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[code]If you want to get to the actual claims being made, you'll have to skip the first 1,000 or so words, which mostly consist of breathtakingly elaborate throat-clearing. ("[H]ouses built on sand and made of cards are bound to collapse, and there can be no surprise that the one resting atop the 'hack theory,' as we can call the prevailing wisdom on the DNC events, appears to be in the process of doing so.") About halfway through, you get to the crux of the article: A report, made by an anonymous analyst calling himself "Forensicator," on the "metadata" of "locked files" leaked by the hacker Guccifer 2.0.


This should, already, set off alarm bells: An anonymous analyst is claiming to have analyzed the "metadata" of "locked files" that only this analyst had access to? Still, if I'm understanding it correctly, Lawrence's central argument (which, again, rests on the belief that Forensicator's claims about "metadata" are meaningful and correct) is that the initial data transfer from the DNC occurred at speeds impossible via the internet. Instead, he and a few retired intel-community members and some pseudonymous bloggers believe the data was transferred to a USB stick, making the infiltration a leak from someone inside the DNC, not a hack.

The crux of the whole thing -- the opening argument -- rests on the fact that, according to "metadata," the data was transferred at about 22 megabytes per second, which Lawrence and Forensicator claim is much too fast to have been undertaken over an internet connection. (Most connection speeds are measured at megabits per second, not megabytes; 22 megabytes per second is 176 megabits per second.) Most households don't get internet speeds that high, but enterprise operations, like the DNC -- or, uh, the FSB -- would have access to a higher but certainly not unattainable speed like that.

If that's your strongest evidence, your argument is already in trouble. But the real problem isn't that there's a bizarre claim about internet speed that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It's that Lawrence is writing in techno-gibberish that falls apart under even the slightest scrutiny. You could try to go on, but to what end? As an example: Lawrence writes that "researchers penetrated what Folden calls Guccifer's top layer of metadata and analyzed what was in the layers beneath." What on earth is that supposed to mean? We don't know what "metadata" we're talking about, or why it comes in "layers," and all I'm left with is the distinct impression that Lawrence doesn't either. Even if you wanted to take this seriously enough to engage with, you can't, because it only intermittently makes sense. There may be evidence out there, somewhere, that a vast conspiracy theory has taken place to cover up a leak and blame Russia. But it's going to need to be at least comprehensible.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2017 16:07 schreef Hexagon het volgende:
https://www.bnr.nl/nieuws(...)elijk-ontslag-bannon

Nooit gedacht nog eens blij te zijn met de politieke activiteiten van Rupert Murdoch

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2017 16:19 schreef Refragmental het volgende:

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Misschien niet meegekregen. Maar er lopen intussen onderzoeken naar Lynch, Clinton, Comey en nog wat anderen.
Onlangs ook een paar honderd mails naar boven komen drijven met duidelijke collusion tussen Hillary/DNC en DoJ. En nog meer van dat soort leuke zaken.

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Op woensdag 16 augustus 2017 16:19 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
Zelfs als het zo zou zijn dat de mails niet via een hack verkregen zouden zijn dan nog hebben de Russen op talloze andere manieren zich bemoeid met de verkiezingen en zijn er naar het zich doet aanzien ook nog hacks geweest op onder andere voter rolls.