[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 114: A1 ring terug in 2013??

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 17:32 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Hoe ligt de A1 ring er tegenwoordig bij? Die Natteschnietzel had dat complex toch opgekocht en opgeknapt? Is dat F1 waardig tegenwoordig? Iemand wat meer info?

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 17:32 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Hoe ligt de A1 ring er tegenwoordig bij? Die Natteschnietzel had dat complex toch opgekocht en opgeknapt? Is dat F1 waardig tegenwoordig? Iemand wat meer info?

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 17:32 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Hoe ligt de A1 ring er tegenwoordig bij? Die Natteschnietzel had dat complex toch opgekocht en opgeknapt? Is dat F1 waardig tegenwoordig? Iemand wat meer info?

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 17:46 schreef Bluurgh het volgende:
Leuk circuit, en het is niet veranderd naar m'n weten.

Wel nog meer Red Bull in F1

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 18:46 schreef Wombcat het volgende:

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Nee.
Twee voorbeelden:
1984 Nürburgring
1997 Jerez
En dat zijn alleen nog maar de twee die direct bij me opkomen toen ik je post las. Er zijn er vast nog veel meer die niet overeenkomen.

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Op zaterdag 8 december 2012 13:27 schreef vosss het volgende:
De hoop dat hij nog terug komt in de F1 ben ik reeds lang verloren

Stel je eens voor wat hij in die bak van Grosjean had kunnen laten zien.

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Op vrijdag 7 december 2012 18:57 schreef Bluurgh het volgende:
De GP van Europa is toch ook helemaal niet gebaseerd op het hebben van een GP in het land van de/een WK-winnaar, maar om de regel te omzeilen dat er maar 1 GP per land gehouden mag worden. (daarom had je ook vroeger GP US-West en eentje met een andere naam geloof ik)

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Op zondag 9 december 2012 12:24 schreef vosss het volgende:
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Op zondag 9 december 2012 12:55 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Nee man! Dat is, of was eigenlijk ( ) een stukje van het oude Hockenheim.

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Op zondag 9 december 2012 12:55 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Nee man! Dat is, of was eigenlijk ( ) een stukje van het oude Hockenheim.

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Kimi Raikkonen, who said he "unfortunately" had to attend due to finishing the season in third place, also caused a stir when he showed up at the black-tie function -- wearing a suit but no tie.

"I don't follow the rules," Lotus quoted the inimitable Finn as saying on Twitter, "I just make them."

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 10:24 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:
Testschema voor 2013 bekend

5 t/m 8 februari in Jerez
19 t/m 22 februari in Barcelona
28 februari t/m 3 maart in Barcelona

Het nieuwe seizoen begint twee weken later in Melbourne.

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 11:21 schreef vosss het volgende:
Waarom toch altijd in Barcelona?

Dat ligt zo lekker alles behalve centraal

Doe nog een keer in Bels of bij de Pruus zou ik zeggen.
Testdag is leuk om heen te gaan en doorgaans niet duur.

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 11:35 schreef Anne het volgende:
Wanneer komen die kaarten voor Duitsland nou eens vrij ?

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 13:47 schreef vosss het volgende:
Sauber F1 team presenteert 5 februari de nieuwe Sauber C32

Dat is de eerste die bekend maken toch?

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 11:21 schreef vosss het volgende:
Waarom toch altijd in Barcelona?

Dat ligt zo lekker alles behalve centraal

Doe nog een keer in Bels of bij de Pruus zou ik zeggen.
Testdag is leuk om heen te gaan en doorgaans niet duur.

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 13:47 schreef vosss het volgende:
Sauber F1 team presenteert 5 februari de nieuwe Sauber C32

Dat is de eerste die bekend maken toch?

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 15:39 schreef ElmarO het volgende:

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Tezamen met de eerste test. Zullen wel meer teams zijn die dat zullen doen.

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 18:03 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:

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dat is tegenwoordig idd meer regel dan uitzondering en terecht ook, want wat heb je er aan om zo'n dure presentatie te regelen 1 dag voordat er mee gereden wordt. Diezelfde pers is toch op het circuit te vinden bij de tests. Enkel de bobo's moeten voor de verandering maar eens blijven rechtstaan tussen het pleps :p

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 12:45 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:

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die komen pas vrij op het moment dat bekend is waar geracet zal gaan worden

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 18:12 schreef bloodymary1 het volgende:

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Dat was toch al bekend, dat het Hockenheim zou zijn, of is dat nog niet zeker?

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Op maandag 10 december 2012 13:47 schreef vosss het volgende:
Sauber F1 team presenteert 5 februari de nieuwe Sauber C32

Dat is de eerste die bekend maken toch?

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Op dinsdag 11 december 2012 13:26 schreef vosss het volgende:
Het gaat helemaal niet zo goed met Kubica.

Al die operaties hebben niet zo heel veel geholpen om de mobiliteit in zn arm te verbeteren en van een eventuele comeback is zeker de komende 2 jaar geen enkele sprake volgens hemzelf.

Over 3 jaar begint seizoen 2015. Dan is hij wel heel erg lang weggeweest.

Definitief over en sluiten denk ik.
Stiekem had ik nog wel hoop, maar na de berichten van gisteren en vandaag zijn die de grond in geboord.

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Op dinsdag 11 december 2012 16:06 schreef staticdata het volgende:
Lotus zou toch ook nieuws bekend maken omtrent een Mogelijke nederlander bij hun?

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Op dinsdag 11 december 2012 16:36 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Ja, voor hun opleidingsprogramma. Ik verwacht hier (nog steeds) Nigel Melker, omdat die voor hun gereden en getest heeft in de WSR Formule Renault 3.5.

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Op dinsdag 11 december 2012 14:08 schreef rubbereend het volgende:
Van der Garde is nu te gast bij Dit is de Dag op Radio 1, dadelijk een interview

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Yes yes yes, I'm doing all the time you don't have to remind every second

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As the 2012 Formula 1 season fades into the distance, the fact that the sport has a new three-time world champion - and what that means - is sinking in.
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel is not only the youngest of the nine men to have won three or more F1 drivers' titles, he is also only the third in history to have won three in a row, after Juan Manuel Fangio and Michael Schumacher. As Vettel is still only 25, Schumacher's all-time record of seven titles seems within reach of the precocious German.
These achievements have led to deserved plaudits for Vettel, the latest of which was to be called the sport's new "yardstick" by none less than F1 commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone in a recent interview.

Vettel is undoubtedly a rare and precious talent, but whether winning three titles in a row makes him the measure by which all contemporaries are judged is another matter altogether.
He and Red Bull are undoubtedly the ones to beat next year - in the sense that he is the driver who has made best use of the best team and usually the best car over the last three years. But that's not the same thing.
Winning an F1 title, after all, is about more than talent alone. A driver has to have a fast car; it has to not break down too often; and he has to be lucky.
In different circumstances, it's not hard to imagine a quite different table of F1 champions.
Schumacher could have 'only' five titles; Alain Prost, who won four, could be on six or seven; and Fernando Alonso, who lost out to Vettel this season, could have four rather than two and Vettel one instead of three.
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Winning an F1 title is about more than talent alone. A driver has to have a fast car; it has to not break down; and he has to be lucky
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Let's look at Schumacher as an example.
First of all, his five consecutive titles for Ferrari from 2000-4 came about at a time when he had the best car, the richest team, bespoke tyres and unlimited testing to develop them. For much of that time, the others simply didn't have the resources to compete.
Schumacher's superiority was created by the combination of a great talent with the most ruthless and effective winning machine ever devised, which re-wrote the rules about what was achievable in F1.
Before that, Schumacher won in 1994 after driving into Williams's Damon Hill at the final race in Australia. The move put both men out - but had Hill been able to continue the Englishman would have been champion instead.
Likewise, Schumacher's 2003 title was won after the Michelin tyres on the cars of rivals McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen and Williams's Juan Pablo Montoya were suddenly and controversially declared illegal. After several months of there apparently being no problem with them.
The change of heart by F1's authorities came after an intervention by Schumacher's Ferrari team, and necessitated a re-design that undoubtedly affected the chances of Raikkonen and Montoya. Neither won again that season.
And what about Prost? He won his titles in 1985, '86, '89 and '93, but a more reliable car would have made him champion in '82; he was overhauled in '83 only after the late introduction of a controversial new fuel by Nelson Piquet's Brabham-BMW team; and the half-point deficit by which he lost in '84 to McLaren team-mate Niki Lauda would have been wiped out but for any one of a number of bad breaks.
How about Ayrton Senna? The man who recently topped BBC F1's greatest drivers poll - and who routinely heads similar lists - won three world titles. But might have won, too, in '89 had he not been controversially disqualified following a collision with Prost in the penultimate race that year.

Senna did, though, win 'only' three titles. Does that make him less than half as good as Schumacher? Of course not.
Yet in some people's minds the fact that Schumacher has won more championships and more grands prix than anyone else automatically makes him the greatest driver of all time.
Most, though, realise the argument is more nuanced than that.
A driver's standing is dictated at least partly by what he achieves in what he has; how consistently he maximises his machinery's potential; even whether he can win occasionally when not in the best car, which is perhaps the most demanding test of all.
Take the current era. Vettel won his first and third titles at the final races of the 2010 and 2012 seasons, in both cases relegating Alonso to second place.
But in 2010, only a catastrophic strategic error by Ferrari prevented the Spaniard taking the fourth place he needed in the final race in Abu Dhabi to become champion.
And this year, when Alonso lost out by three points, he would have comfortably won had his car not been assaulted at the start of the Belgian Grand Prix by the flying Lotus of Romain Grosjean - the man who Vettel's team-mate Mark Webber memorably dubbed the "first-lap nutcase".
Did those events reflect on the qualities of Alonso or Vettel as drivers in any way? Of course not.
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Had history turned out differently and Alonso had by now won four titles and Vettel one, would it make either a better or worse driver than he is?
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None of this is to diminish a remarkable achievement by Vettel, or to downplay the talent of a man who will clearly be a central figure in F1 for the next decade.
But if one is forced to pick a yardstick for modern-day F1 drivers after the 2012 season, it would be hard to look beyond Alonso after the year he has just had.
In a demonstrably slower car, the Spaniard took the title to the final race of the season and - even allowing for the Spa incident, among others - would still have won had Vettel not been fortunate in being able to continue following a first-lap crash, for which he was at least partly to blame, that might have inflicted terminal damage to his car.
Likewise, Lewis Hamilton was in superlative form for McLaren, but poor reliability and operational mistakes by the team stopped his title challenge short. Does McLaren's poor reliability reflect badly on Hamilton's ability?
Let's put it another way. Had history turned out differently and Alonso had by now won four titles and Vettel one, would it make either a better or worse driver than he is?
And that's the point. Statistics don't mean everything. In fact, in the big picture, they mean very little. They're just numbers. They can't be ignored, but the real truth lies elsewhere.

F1's champions' league
Michael Schumacher - 7
Juan Manuel Fangio - 5
Alain Prost - 4
Sebastien Vettel - 3
Jack Brabham - 3
Jackie Stewart - 3
Niki Lauda - 3
Nelson Piquet - 3
Ayrton Senna - 3

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 09:59 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Die snap ik echter niet.

Hij had pole op Monaco.
Hoe kan hij dan het laagste gemiddelde hebben? Ik bedoel de mensen achter hem hadden toch een lager gemiddelde?

Wat is eigenlijk "de laagste gemiddelde topsnelheid".

Hoe moet ik dat precies zien? Laagst en top in 1 zin?!
Iemand die deze even uit kan leggen?

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 09:59 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Die snap ik echter niet.

Hij had pole op Monaco.
Hoe kan hij dan het laagste gemiddelde hebben? Ik bedoel de mensen achter hem hadden toch een lager gemiddelde?

Wat is eigenlijk "de laagste gemiddelde topsnelheid".

Hoe moet ik dat precies zien? Laagst en top in 1 zin?!
Iemand die deze even uit kan leggen?

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 10:05 schreef Tarado het volgende:
F1 history has been shaped by the smallest of margins

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20669262

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 10:18 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Ja dat dacht ik ook.

Echter lijkt me dit:

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Aannemelijker. Zo had ik er nog niet over gedacht

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Highest average speed of a fastest lap: 248.241 km/h (Hamilton / Italy Qualifying)
Slowest average speed of a fastest lap: 161.828 km/h (Schumacher / Monaco Qualifying)

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adamcooperf1 twitterde op donderdag 13-12-2012 om 13:33:49 #F1 Norbert Haug is to leave Mercedes Benz. More power for Niki Lauda? reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 13:35 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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adamcooperf1 twitterde op donderdag 13-12-2012 om 13:33:49 #F1 Norbert Haug is to leave Mercedes Benz. More power for Niki Lauda? reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 15:22 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Haug wordt afgerekend op de afgelopen drie jaar bij Mercedes.

En zowel Lauda als Schumacher worden genoemd als opvolger.

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If you’ve followed Formula One for the past 4-5 years then you’ve no doubt encountered the name Helmut Marko. If this isn’t ringing a bell then you may recall our own Tony Greene’s F1 Biography on the Austrian man behind the curtain. The enigmatic Marko has been looming in the garage of Red Bull for some time and represents the right hand of Dietrich Mateschitz, the head of the energy drink empire.
In this capacity, Marko has significant pull and visual acuity into the inner-workings of the racing team. He watches all the moves and mumbles made by team boss Christian Horner and his band of merry men and women. He is a direct line of communication to the Red Bull boardroom and is most likely the keeper of the sacred cheque book. He’s brooding, poised and can be brutal and outspoken when need be. He is a very powerful figure in Formula One and few doubt his presence in the paddock as the eyes of a billionaire’s budget.
The oppressive notion of a man watching over the shoulder of the Red Bull Racing team may be untenable for some but it has seemed to work giving Red Bull three championships on the trot. It’s worked so much that I may argue that Mercedes has now modeled their operation after red Bull’s in a flattering moment of otherwise oddness.
Mercedes were faced with a tenuous position last summer when their name was not included int he ripe, beneficial arrangement the new Concorde Agreement afforded Ferrari, Red Bull and McLaren. Mercedes was not impressed with the lack of consideration for a storied team with a history of F1 accomplishments. Even Mercedes motor sport boss Norbert Haug seemed ineffectual in getting F1 owenrs CVC and their iron fist, Bernie Ecclestone, to budge on the matter. The issue reached boiling points that saw muted threats of a departure from the series by Mercedes.
In an effort to repair this festering wound, the board of Mercedes chose to bring in a hired gun…a hold-out weapon to level the playing field. It came in the form of an elder statesman and F1 champion Niki Lauda. Never short for crass commentary, Lauda was to seize the reigns and save the day…to those ends, he may just pulled it off in a fashion that only the absent Flavio Briatore could do.
Mercedes has made Lauda the managing director of the F1 team and this is a role at the board level. In short, he’s the eyes and ears of the Mercedes board inside the team. Sound familiar? If Helmut Marko can make this work, why not Mercedes?
Lauda promptly reached out to his friend Ecclestone and got Mercedes a much better deal in the Concorde Agreement. The deal was good enough to see Mercedes stay in the series and commit to a long-term presence. The Austrian then set about finding a replacement for Michael Schumacher. Lauda has been terse in his assessment of the 7-time champion and his departure was not going to prompt a tissue-to-eye moment. What Lauda found was one of the grid’s best drivers in Lewis Hamilton. Lauda managed to capitalize on a disenchanted Hamilton and worked to expose the cracks that the MacLaren machine had failed to heal.
Hamilton’s departure for Mercedes swept Schumacher aside like yesterday’s news and the team now has one of the most dynamic drivers int he sport behind the wheel of a car designed by one of the most dynamic team bosses in the business. The question is, can they deliver?
Lauda’s presence at Mercedes has to be respected for what he has achieved thus far. While the team is top-heavy with Norbert Haug and Nick Fry, one has to wonder just what role these two will play with Lauda lurking in the garage. There is little question the team stopped developing full tilt for 2012 mid-season and focused mainly on their 2013 efforts. Geoff Willis, Aldo Costa and Bob Bell represent serious heavyweights in the world of Formula One and they’ve been working diligently ont eh 2013 chassis.
Many F1 fans view Lauda as the doddering old champ known as the rent-a-quote of F1 journalists for the past decade. think again, Lauda is shrewd and has exacted a bigger impact on Mercedes than anyone else since his inclusion as the Helmut Marko of the Silver Arrows. As a cautionary tale, Lauda was reportedly asking questions about when Adrian Newey’s contract expired at Red Bull. Don’t think it’s possible? No one imagined Hamilton leaving either. Fair warning Helmut, the new Marko is on the move.

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 15:25 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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Schumacher lijkt me stug, waarom wel al het reizen en werk zonder de race fun, hier een interessant stukje over Lauda van een week geleden

Mercedes Needed A Marko…They Got Lauda
Posted by: Negative Camber on December 5, 2012 8 Comments

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http://www.formula1blog.c(...)arko-they-got-lauda/

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Op donderdag 13 december 2012 15:46 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

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Interessant stukje, maar Lauda is er al. En Haug was de baas over alle autosport van Mercedes, niet alleen het F1 team, waar ze een Lauda nodig hebben.

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Op zaterdag 15 december 2012 14:35 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Wanneer is dat precies op MotorsTV?

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Op zaterdag 15 december 2012 14:35 schreef Schunckelstar het volgende:

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nu
en morgen vanaf twee uur meen ik

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Op zondag 16 december 2012 14:58 schreef Schunckelstar het volgende:
deze kerel was ook op hockenheim een paar jaar terug met zijn motor

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Op zondag 16 december 2012 15:02 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:

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is dat niet Mattie Griffin?

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Op zondag 16 december 2012 15:03 schreef Schunckelstar het volgende:

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geen flauw idee

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Op zondag 16 december 2012 15:06 schreef vosss het volgende:
Stream iemand?

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Op zondag 16 december 2012 15:08 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Brennie ook; alleen dan een andere zender