De Pandora Handheld #4

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Op donderdag 10 februari 2011 20:23 schreef OVchipkaart het volgende:

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Heb je er nog steeds 2?

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Op donderdag 10 februari 2011 22:08 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:

Foei Punnik! Al die gave software!

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Op donderdag 17 februari 2011 11:58 schreef OVchipkaart het volgende:
ik heb een nieuwe

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Op donderdag 17 februari 2011 11:58 schreef OVchipkaart het volgende:
ik heb een nieuwe

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Op donderdag 17 maart 2011 10:36 schreef OVchipkaart het volgende:
Hotfix5 is erg fijn heb het idee dat het stabieler is dan de vorige. Ik heb inmiddels gianas return uitgespreeld en ben erg ver in duke nukem 3d wat een helden spel blijft dat zeg! En het loopt als een tierelier op de pandora, en hij heeft genoeg knoppen voor alle functies +mouse aim

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Op donderdag 17 maart 2011 13:45 schreef PP. het volgende:

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Volgens mij weet ik waarom je promotie is uitgesteld.

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Op maandag 16 mei 2011 21:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Dit is ook een gaaf spel ik ben er alleen niet zo goed in.

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Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 16:16 schreef Maanvis het volgende:
wanneer wordt ie goedkoper?

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2011 21:16 schreef o.us het volgende:
Shit, waar kan ik dit krijgen?

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Op woensdag 1 juni 2011 00:04 schreef kingmob het volgende:
Wat een meesterlijk apparaat, hoe kan ik hier nog nooit van gehoord hebben
Jammer van de prijs, maar mooi initiatief. Gebruikt iemand hem toevallig ook om zijn xbmc media center aan te sturen? Dat zou mij namelijk over de streep trekken als dat goed wordt ondersteund

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Op woensdag 1 juni 2011 00:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ik heb hem daar niet voor gebruikt maar ik kan je wel zeggen dat xbmc er zelf naar geport is, hij kan dus gewoon zelf xbmc draaien

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Op woensdag 1 juni 2011 00:11 schreef kingmob het volgende:

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Dat is nogal nutteloos alleen. De vraag is of er een remote skin voor bestaat of dat je alleen de webinterfaces kan gebruiken. Voor de ipad en iphone zijn er bijvoorbeeld hele goede apps.

XBMC on Pandora test

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Op maandag 6 juni 2011 22:19 schreef Punnik het volgende:
idd een tijdje aan de lader , maar ook weer niet extreem lang.

jammer idd dat die hotfix te laat komt

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 10:27 schreef Bunta-Fujiwara het volgende:
Pfff ik zat te denken om zo'n ding te kopen maar ik zie er vanaf. Teveel problemen kwa bouw kwaliteit zie ik.....

Ik wacht wel tot al die ziektes eruit zijn. Die accu ziet er overigens niet echt degelijk uit....

Lijkt wel een reep chocolade.

Ik hou het wel even bij mijn Caanoo.

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 16:39 schreef Punnik het volgende:
ik had ook 1 van de eersten , geloof iets van nummer 58 ofzo..... daarna zijn ze al een stuk beter gebouwd inderdaad , maar deze moet denk ik maar even worden omgeruilt ja :S

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:40 schreef Punnik het volgende:
die van mij is opgestuurd en aangekomen yeah !!
nu wachten totdat ze weer 1 terug sturen .......

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Op woensdag 13 juli 2011 00:00 schreef Gambolputty het volgende:
..én maar weer ff volgen

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As you might have read on the boards, Batch 2 will NOT be produced by CircuitCo anymore.
I am currently contacting companies in Germany to get some quotations.
More about that in the next blog entry.

First, I’ll try to explain the reasons for that move and summarize everything that happened during
the last few months.

January / February: Production resumes

As you might remember, CircuitCo promised us to finish the full 4000 PCB population until the end of last year, so that we had fully working PCBs and only the new nubs would have to be soldered onto them after that.
That would have been a cool thing, as it would’ve meant that Batch 1 would’ve been finished in January / February.
Well, as most of you might know, this hasn’t happened.
Then a new guy had been employed by CC. His job was to do quality management and to oversee the Pandora production.
We got weekly status updates at first, which was great!
He analyzed the bottlenecks, all issues, etc.
While the production speed he told us was slower than we had hoped, at least we now knew what was going on, what issues there were to be solved and we got realistic sounding quantity numbers.

This worked well for the next few months. They regularly sent new boards and while quite a few had some issues, we could continue shipping and send back the non-working boards for repairs.

By selling some units as Premium Pandoras, we could cope with the monthly costs we had as well as with any refunds or money needed for RMAs.

May / June: WiFi issues occur

Then, as you might also know, a LOT of boards of a complete batch had WiFi issues.
Production then came to a halt, we sent these boards back to have them fixed and I created four new testing rigs including a new testing SD Card (with notaz’ help) which tests almost anything the Pandora can do.
They can also run individual tests, so they can work on a PCB with broken WiFi for example and only run the WiFi test.

June / July: Communication gets worse again

That’s when communication and our faith in CC started to break down again.
While at first we got a few quick replies regarding the testing SD Card, we didn’t get a status update for weeks, even though we were asking for that once a day.
Two weeks after they got the new testing setup, they started to work on WiFi… 1,5 weeks later they had a problem with one of the tests. I had a bug in the script that prevented one test from working.
But it took CC 1,5 weeks to realize that. It sure felt like they haven’t done anything within that time…

What’s going on right now with CC?

We are missing about 1000 PCBs from batch 1, and it seems the only ones they have left are boards with issues they need to fix.
Most of these boards had aged bare PCBs. When PCBs are lying around for a year without being populated, they start oxidating – which had happened here. This leads to all kind of issues, as parts don’t
solder properly anymore. Well, if they HAD populated the PCBs last year like the promised us they would, this wouldn’t have happened…
(Note to fearful Pandora owners: The oxidation no problem if your board is already populated, it won’t stop working suddenly. Once the parts are on the board, they have proper contact and won’t fail)
Anyways, they agreed to pay for the new parts needed to fix those PCBs with issues.
They also mentioned they will fix 125+ boards per week, we’ll see if that will work out. But they told us they will finish Batch 1.

Our conclusion?

Well, we personally aren’t pleased with how CC handled the situation. We were given false promises, they didn’t keep any deadlines, the number of boards with issues that need to be fixed before
we can ship them is way too high and communication was really lacking.
This caused our reputation to shrink as well, as we couldn’t keep any deadlines either and it seemed we were telling lies and delaying things.

This is what we experienced, maybe we were just unlucky and other companies have no such issues with CC?
Maybe the Pandora was too complicated to build after all?
Who knows?
Some guy on the BeagleBoard mailing list also wrote he’s been waiting three weeks for a reply from CC, so it at least seems we’re not the only ones.

On thing that is without excuse for us is the lack of communication, the missing status updates as well as the non-kept promises and deadlines.
Issues can ALWAYS occur, but we’d love to know about them, so we can fix them together asap.

As you probably know, the iControlPad is also produced by us. We chose a company in Germany. They didn’t miss a single deadline and each time there was an issue or a question, they contacted us right away.
This was a very pleasant experience.

This does mean that Batch 2 will NOT be produced by CircuitCo. We are now looking into various companies within Europe and should have some quotations within a few weeks.
If you know of any company who can do PoP (Package on Package population) and is reliable (some of you might be involved with some electronics company as well), feel free to contact me.
The more quotations we get, the better

This is a HUGE task we’re doing here. I’ve personally taken the task to work on that. It will cost me a lot of time, energy and sleep – but I’m sure, with your help and support, I can do that!

Next blog post (with some more updates Batch 2 production) coming later today.

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The mentioned second blog post:

As promised, here is another blog entry, this time mainly focussing on Batch 2 and the future production.

Yesterday evening, I had a meeting with the guys behind the OpenMoko GTA04.
They have nothing to do with the previous OpenMoko hardware development, they basically built an OMAP3-PCB which fits into the OpenMoko shell.
Their PCB has similar production specs (same SoC, 8 layers, etc.) as ours, they basically live round the corner and they offered to help me (thanks a lot!)
They already have some prototype boards running (looks like a nice Linux-geek-phone to me, if you want to check it out, go to their website), which means they already found a company that can handle the production.

The meeting I had with them yesterday was a very promising one. Nikolaus, the main guy behind the GTA04, knows a lot more about PCB production than we do and therefore gave me some
contacts to some companies as well as some insider tips.

We also chatted about our experiences with CircuitCo and Nikolaus had some ideas why we had so many different issues with boards.
Additionally, he told me, that normally a proper production run should have a failure rate of about 3%. And from those 3%, some PCBs are fixable.
So far, CC had a failure rate of about 20% (even some more, if I count the ones I fixed because some parts like the volume wheel simply weren’t properly soldered).
Not very impressive, so I’m even more eager now to found suitable partners.

Michael Weston sent me the latest gerber files and BoM (Bill of Materials, basically a big list of all needed components) last week.

So I’m now prepared to approach some companies and get the thing rolling properly!
If, however, you know some companies who are reliable and can do such productions as well (and which are at least located in Europe, Germany would be even better), feel free to contact me!
The more quotations I get, the more choices I have and the more I can discuss about the prices with some companies.

Let’s get this thing going!

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You're all waiting for some more news, and yes, I can give you some.

It seems like CircuitCo is finally moving forward. They seem to come along well with my new tester and had success in fixing the boards that have issues.
Should finally be time to expect a new shipment from them, huzzah!

I also got a few positive responses from various companies in Germany.
Two from Munich, which is what I prefer, since I can easily visit them there (not far away).
They are all interested in producing the Pandora PCB and are now working on a quotation.

I will probably visit them next week.
The quotation will take a while (about 3 weeks, as the Pandora is no easy board), but we rather spend our time before production and have a rocking fast and stable production later than experiencing the same problems we had with CC...

As usual, I'll keep you informed. When I visit them, I'll try to make some pictures as well

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Op dinsdag 26 juli 2011 19:09 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Hey BB
Oehh.. android Heb een maandje geleden een tablet met android gekregen, wat is dat toch een super OS
Ik heb mijn pandora een paar maanden geleden als back-up gebruikt bij het instellen van een netwerk/laptop. Laptop was in het pools dus dan is het wel handig om even een vertaling te googlen
En de pandora past in mijn handtas
Mypaint werkt trouwens super erop

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If you followed the recent threads you knew that I was visiting a company today which would be a good candidate to produce Batch 2 (and hopefully many more later batches) of the Pandora.

Doing something like this is always exciting.

Can the company produce the boards?
Do they want to do the job?
Can they do it for a good price?
Will they help you with your project? Or simply do what you tell them to do?
Are they friendly, open and honest?

There's so many stuff swirling around in your head before visiting a company... the future of the Pandora depends on finding the right partner.

Well, I'm pretty sure you all want to know how it went today, right?

Right.

The company I paid a visit today is called Global Components and is located in Oberhaching, near Munich. It's about 90km away from me, so it's not too far and I can easily visit them whenever I need.
I arrived at about 11:10am.
Do you know the rare feeling when you enter a building and just know you've come to the right place?

Well, I had that feeling today. I had a real nice meeting and was greeted heartily.
Everyone I've seen there was motivated, they have a great working atmosphere in there.
For me, this is a very good and important sign. It's always a sign of high quality.

The meeting was very assuring.
First I was given a nice company tour. They got high-quality machines in every room, it looks very organized and tidy. I also saw some boards from current production runs and they use even smaller SMD parts than the Pandora.
From what I've seen, I'm pretty sure they can easily produce our boards, and that's one of the most important things!
I brought some pictures with me. Just a little insight into the whole company. I'm happy that i'm allowed to make a movie of the birth of a Pandora board as soon as production starts.

As I had a Pandora PCB with me, their main technician took a look at it. He explained me some things I always wanted to know (like how PoP is being done and how the full population process works, etc.).
He also suggested a solution to place the shoulder buttons way better so we won't have manually fix the plastic with some buttons.

All in all, things looked pretty good for me. They agreed that they want to produce the PCBs
I'm now awaiting a quotation from them (this will take a few weeks), then we'll need to check on the leadtime of the parts and while waiting for those, the production will be set up.
This surely will all take a while. There's no company that can just get the gerber files and start with the production the next day.
The PCBs will take a few weeks to produce, the parts have a certain leadtime and the machine also needs to be setup and programmed.
However, once this is done, PCBs will be finished very fast. I'll get the amount of Pandora PCBs they can produce per week within the next weeks.

Oh, on a side note they mentioned that they would try to help us fix boards with issues as well, in case CC doesn't really move forward here.
I'll send them a few ones of them over, so that they can check if a repair is possible and much it would cost. So if CC doesn't do much, we might move the repairs of the remaining boards of Batch 1 to Germany as well.

Parts, setup, etc. need to be paid upfront, so this is another issue we need to take care of. CC did cost us a lot of money, and we still don't know how fast they'll send us more boards - there still are 1000 missing!
The iControlPad helps us earning money as well, which is great, but the faster we have the total amount of needed money available, the faster the production can start.
That's why I'm also checking for additional solutions to raise money faster. I'll keep you informed on that!
If anyone knows someone who'd like to support us, get in contact with me! I'm sure we can make some good deal here.

Well, anyways, it seems we found a new company that can do the production!
I'm very happy about that, as you never can be sure before visiting them.

The next steps for now are:

* Get a quotation from them, check what parts are needed and how fast
* Make a proper new business plan (including total costs, estimated times, etc.)
* Make sure to have money ready when payments are due
* Try to squeeze as many working boards out of CC as possible

Oh, and of course (as soon as got the top priority things done):

* Continue to work on HotFix 6
* Update the website (REAAAALLY needed!)
* Fix the remaining RMAs
* Check the remaining PCBs I got here

I'll let you know any further steps that happen, as usual

If you want to see the pictures I took at the company, click here.

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Op vrijdag 29 juli 2011 12:17 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Samenvatting?

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Op vrijdag 29 juli 2011 12:33 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Okay, dus ik kan nog steeds geen Pandora zomaar bestellen via impulsaankoop. Zonde

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Firstly, I apologize to everyone who is waiting for eMail replies, repaired Pandoras or similar from me.
The business plan and the planning of the production in Germany did eat most of my time, so I'm way behind with emails and Pandora repairs!
It's the most important thing right now. Once the business plan is finished (probably early next week), it's time to find investors to get all the money needed and then it's time to sign the offer with Global Components.

Once that's done, the move to a german production company will finally have started and take a while. That's when I will have a lot more time to work on mails, Hotfix 6 and repairing Pandoras.

Even if some won't believe it: I'm only human. Yes, really

Now, time for some news, isn't it?

1. Quotation from Global Components

I got the final quotation yesterday. As expected, it's more expensive than CircuitCo (Germany is ALWAYS more expensive), but I'm pretty content with it.
As the price is calculated on the time that is needed for production, I also got a first estimation of how fast the production can happen.

Basically, calculating the estimated time is simple:

The main population is being done by a machine.
It is known, how many parts per minute the machine can place on the boards. So based on the amount of parts that are on a Pandora board, the time can be calculated.

First you load all the needed reels with the parts into the machine. Depending on how many different parts you have, this takes a while.
For the Pandora, this actually takes a full working day (8 hours!).

Then the machine automatically populates the PCBs. This happens in three steps for the Pandora: Both sides need to be populated and the RAM needs to be put PoP (package on package) on the OMAP.
It takes 22 hours to populate 1000 PCBs (approx. every 1,5 minutes one PCB is fully populated).
After that, they go into the oven so that the parts are baked onto the PCB. And that's it.

So SMD population of 1000 boards takes about 30 hours. That is about a week. Nice

After that, there's manual soldering to be done. Nubs, Volume wheels. And testing. Each test takes 4 minutes.
Since they have multiple people working on this, it will be another 30 hours.
However, that can be done while the population goes on.

So basically, they could theoretically produce 1000 boards within two weeks.

Right now, I'm planning with 1000 boards each month for a start. That should be realistic. And better be safe than sorry... something we learnt the hard way.

So, while production speed actually seems to be pretty fast, this does not mean that we'll have thousands of Pandoras soon.
The machine needs to be programmed, bare PCBs need to be prepared and a prototype testing run needs to be done (though if that one goes without issues, the real production can start right away).
And: It won't happen before the order is signed - and therefore, money is needed.

Which leads us to the next point...


2. Investors for OpenPandora GmbH welcome

To move the production to Germany, money is needed.
There were quite a few refunds lately and CircuitCo delivering boards at a crawling speed is not helping much either.
And we need to make sure there's also money there when more people want to get a refund before the Pandoras are finished!

Of course, we could try to fund it with iControlPad sales at some time - but who knows how long that would need.
Aditionally, we don't just want to deliver all remaining preorders but have the Pandora produced at a regular basis so future users can buy them without having to wait.
Production needs to become reliable and steady.

That's the reason I've been working on a business plan for the last weeks: It actually is a pretty accurate calculation of the costs and time needed.
Once all preorders are fullfilled, there can be made some money from it. I discussed this with my tax counsellor (who is experienced with stuff like this) and she thinks it should certainly be possible to get some big investor.

I prefer trusted community members and known Pandora users. You can be sure notch will be one of the very first to receive a copy of the business plan!
Of course, anyone here from the boards can also help us out with some investments.
We need to set a minimum amount though, otherwise it will be way too much paperwork. The minimum amount should be something like 10.000 EUR.

If everything goes according to the plan, the invested money would be fully refinanced next year May and from then on, it's time to make money with the Pandora.

This should be a very interesting opportunity for every investor. You can be sure my main goal in September will be to find an investor and sign the order for the production as soon as possible.

If you are seriously interested in investing money or do know someone who would be interested, get in touch with me (via PM or eMail). I'll send you a copy of the business plan as well as soon as it's finished.

One thing is sure: I'll only accept silent investors. That is: Investors who get their share of profit each year, but are not involved in any decisions. We all want to keep the Pandora the way it is!

I'm happy to share the success of the Pandora with anyone, who helps to make the Pandora successful


3. Preorder time!

What? Again?
Are you kidding me?
You want more money from us before you even delivered the units?

Well... no.
Yes, there will be another time to place a preorder soon.
But no: You won't need to pay any money upfront.

As said, we really NEED to move away from paid preorders.
So what's the reason we want more preorders then?

Easy. Basically, there are two reasons:

1. I get so many eMails from people who want to order the Pandora. A preorder makes sense
2. The more preorders we get, the more easy it is to find an investor! Just imagine you can tell an investor "Hey, I already got way more customers than I need!"... this will certainly help a lot.

I will start taking preorders probably the end of next week.
If you are interested in a second unit or know anyone who would love to get a Pandora: Let them know!
The more orders we get, the better. And there is no risk involved - well, except for that you will have to buy a Pandora once it's finished.


4. What about CircuitCo?

They are still repairing the remaining boards. That takes some time.
They shipped another 50 boards last week.
So there will be some more Pandoras shipped soon, but I personally don't expect them to be able to repair much faster.
That's why I'm currently concentrating on the future Pandora production.


5. Conclusion

In my opinion, things are looking good.
Yes, it surely will take a while until the "German Pandoras" will be finished. I'm happy if we get the first units until November / December, but I can't guarantee anything.
Well, I can guarantee to keep you informed about every step that happens.

First step is to gather enough money to make this happen. But this certainly seems possible. The Pandora will keep alive. I'm sure of that, because as a community, we can achieve everything if we just try to do so

So for everyone who walked with us the long way: Thanks a lot! You really rock!
And to newcomers: The Pandora rocks. That's what so many people who got one tell you. And that's why you can be sure we will do EVERYTHING we're capable of to continue the production!

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Well, just some quick news to tell you that I finished the business plan this weekend and sent it out to interested investors.

Over 40 community members have sent me mails that they are interested in investing - guys, you rock!

I also sent a copy to notch - he was one of the first people to order a Pandora (and waited until he got it), so he might be a potential candidate as well.

I will let you know more details and informations about it soon, as well as the preordering that should start soo

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Op donderdag 22 september 2011 11:24 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Pandora episode 2 is onderweg

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Best wel heavy eigenlijk dat er gelijk 40 investors uit de community komen. Minimale inleg is geloof ik ergens rond de ¤2000 dus dat is niet niks.

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Ohja en dat alles met een batterij tijd van 8 uur met wifi + 100% CPU gebruik.

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Op donderdag 22 september 2011 11:24 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Pandora episode 2 is onderweg

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Best wel heavy eigenlijk dat er gelijk 40 investors uit de community komen. Minimale inleg is geloof ik ergens rond de ¤2000 dus dat is niet niks.

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We need to set a minimum amount though, otherwise it will be way too much paperwork. The minimum amount should be something like 10.000 EUR.

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Op vrijdag 23 september 2011 15:15 schreef Gambolputty het volgende:

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10.000 zelfs, (uit je eerdere post).

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Op vrijdag 23 september 2011 10:01 schreef Mr_Belvedere het volgende:

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Als mensen ergens diep in geloven is er best wel animo voor om te investeren. Ik zie steeds vaker dat ik ook wel bereid ben ergens in te investeren, als ik geld had om dat te doen.

Overigens:

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Dat lukt die nieuwe PSVita dus noooooiiiit. Dat lukt een gemiddelde smartphone nog niet eens.

Alhoewel de technologie natuurlijk niet te vergelijken is, vind ik het bijzonder en frappant dat over het ontwerp van een pandora blijkbaar veel meer nagedacht is. Ook de kracht van community.

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Good, back to some Pandora news.

A. The quest for raising funds

In my opinion, thinks are looking good.
So far, about 60 users from the community have given me their interest in investing. This is absolute astounding!
About 14 confirmed the amount of money they plan to invest - and that's about 120.000 EUR already.
Another 10 told me a rough value they are planning to invest - and alltogether, we're at 240.000 EUR with that... a good start after a week, I think.

I also sent notch a copy of the business plan via snail mail, though I have no idea whether he's interested or not.
Next week, I'm having a meeting with two agents who have some major investors at hand who work in IT business and are venturesome, often investing in start-ups.

And this Friday, I've got an appointment with my local bank to check whether there are any governmental fundings we could apply for as well.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I just checked how many users have subscribed to the OpenPandora newsletter: What would you guess? 1000? 5000? 10000? Nope. In fact, we've got 17000 users subscribed to the newsletter!
If I'd asked for investors or donations there as well... heck, if only a half of them would donate only 5 EUR, that would be another 42000 EUR!
Don't want to beg for donations though But it just made me think that you can achieve almost anything with a great community!

As it looks like, we shouldn't have too many problems getting the money together to lead us all into a great Pandora future. I'll keep you informed!

B. Okay, but... what IS the plan?

We've got multiple things to cover here, so the plan is basically split into multiple stages.

1. Get things going, get units to all of you!

First priority is of course to get the production running and deliver the remaining units to all our patient preorderers,
Production will happen in batches of 1000.
Some of these 1000 will have to go to new orders and some of these will go to the preorderers.
How many will go where depends on CC, the US/EUR conversion rate, the PCB failure rate, donations, the total amount of invested money we get and the amount of refunds we get until then.

Basically, it's easy: We need a certain amount of money to produce the next batch of 1000.
The first 1000 will have a higher cost (as there are one-time-costs), the next 1000 will be cheaper as we already own some parts, but this is too much to explain in detail.

About 1200 preorders are still left to be delivered. CC still has to deliver about 1000 PCBs.
Let's say CC delivers 500 PCBs and we'd have about 300 refunds. With an investment capital of 350K, most of the preorders would be finished with the first batch of 1000, the remaining ones with the next one.
If CC wouldn't deliver ANY PCBs from now on, it would the last ones would be delivered with the fourth batch of 1000 units.

Of course, if we get a higher amount of investments or more donations, we can deliver more preordered units with each batch. Same if the USD / EUR conversion rate is better for us.

The trick is to keep a balance between the costs for the next Pandoras, the amount of preordered units and refunds and the units that need to be sold to new customers.
I created a nice LibreOffice Calc-Sheet that helps me quickly tune the parameters and let me know how many units go where.

GC should be able to produce 1000 Pandoras per month - though I expect about 1000 in two months at the beginning. Things should be moving faster once we get there.

2. Support development, increase popularity

Once all old customers have gotten their unit as well as quite a few new ones and the production is running stable, it's time to increase the popularity of the Pandora.
Do some marketing, make it known to new users.

Some money will be used to improve the OS and support application and games development, maybe we could do some coding competitions as well.

Primary goal now is to support OpenSource development and increase the attractivity for new users with more software.

At the same time, development of the Pandora 2 is planned to happen. As we all know now, this sure will take a long while - so there's plenty of time to have fun with the Pandora 1!

C. And what's the bad news?

The usual... we didn't get much at all from CC.
Neither tons of boards nor much information via eMail.
I've never seen a company with worse communication and customer service, honestly.
Well, we still hope to get the remaining boards for them - but I'm just happy we're moving forward here with the production in Germany.

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The last post was only a few days ago, but I thought you'll be interested in the stuff that happened.

1. Investment capital

I can't stop to tell everyone how impressed I am about the power of the community!
About 70 community members are interested in investing so far.
38 reported back how much money they are planning to invest (some gave me a certain value).

The amount of money raised is simply astounding:

About 194.000 EUR are certain so far, whereas it sums up to 455.000 EUR including the amount of money from the users who are still thinking about it.

That's 100.000 EUR more than needed!

And 32 haven't even told me how much they are planning to invest...

The german-speaking investors have already received a preview copy of the contract.

It's currently being translated into english language. While my english is not too bad, it certainly is not good enough to translate a proper contract.

That's why a professional lawyer is doing this.

Monday is a holiday in Germany, however, I hope I'll get the contract within the next week.

I'm having a meeting with two interested big investors sometime next week - but as things are looking right now, I'm not sure I'll need them...

Well, can't hurt having more potential investors - though the one from the community will have a higher priority!

2. Tuesday: Next meeting with Global Components

As things are looking very well with the investment capital, it's time to go to Global Components and discuss the production plan.
This will happen on Tuesday.

As it looks like the investment capital shouldn't be an issue, I'll also order the bare PCBs on that day.

The bare PCBs have some one-time-costs for tooling, etc., but I can afford that myself.

20 bare PCBs for testing will be produced. That takes about 5 weeks, which means we're going to see the birth of the very first Pandoras in Germany in November.

And yes, we WILL see it, as I'll post a full HD video of the very first Pandora PCBs being populated in Germany.
You will actually be able to see the process of a Pandora being born!

If those boards work without any issues, it'll take another 4 - 5 weeks until all 1000 PCBs for the first batch are finished - well, and then it's time for the full production run.

During October, we'll need to do some more small payments (to buy the nubs, etc.), but some investors already mentioned they could send the money right away, so that would work out fine.
Most of the money won't be needed before November, so there's time to do sign the contracts and transfer the money.

3. Preorders!

The next round or preordering is just round the corner!
If you're interested in getting a Pandora (or another one, if you already have one): The preordering will start on Tuesday.
The final price of one Pandora will be about 370 EUR, though this time, there's no need to pay in advance.

We're requesting a small downpayment of 10 EUR in advance - but I guess that won't hurt anyone who is really interested in getting one.

If you want to support us, you are free to pay more than 10 EUR in advance. The downpayment will be completely deducted from the final price.

Anyone is welcome to spread the word about the Pandora to friends, family or on other websites. Let them know the preorder has started!
More details on Tuesday, of course.

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As promised, preordering the Pandora is now possible again - and no need to cash in the money for the whole console anymore!

Of course, if you already HAVE a paid preorder, it stays valid and you should get your unit shortly after production in Germany has started.

The current price is 375 EUR, but I'll still have some negotiations to do, so it might drop.
If you preorder now and the price drops, you will also get the new price, so 375 EUR is a max right now.

The only thing you need to do to get a valid preorder is head over to the OpenPandora.org website, place your preorder and make a prepayment of 10 EUR.
We are currently planning to have 1000 Pandoras produced per month starting from January - so to make sure you get one as early as possible, be sure to place your preorder early.

Once production is running sweet, my main goal will be to support OpenSource development and developers here from the community to turn the Pandora into the ultimate portable Mini-PC/OpenSource-Gaming platform!

Of course, you are very welcomed to help us as well.
Spread the word, inform friends, colleagues and family about the Pandora or whoever you think could be interested!

Thanks

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And it looks like my birthday wish from last week came true... we got 325K EUR 99% ensured already, so.... Pandora will continue to live, made in Germany

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This will be a short newspost, as I had a loooong day and want to get some rest... but...

We got enough investments to start everything here in Germany!
Thanks a lot to anyone who kindly invest their money for the trust - I will do everything to get things running as good and smooth as possible!

If you are one of the guys who are thinking about investing but haven't made your final decision yet:
Don't worry, you're not too late - I've got 350K EUR right now and will accept investments up to 450K EUR... as that means that I can buy more parts at once which decreases the production costs as well.

So, during the next week, it's time to prepare all the contracts and send them to the investors.
We're very good within my timeframe, so it still looks like the big run in Germany will start in January.

Tomorrow I'll have a meeting with the guys from EBV (major distributor for parts, we bought all the TI parts from them) to discuss how to move the parts for Batch 2 from CircuitCo in Texas to Global Components in Germany.
I'll let you know how it goes.

Also, if you didn't see it yet:
Both Craig, me and quite a few guys from the community will be at the Replay Expo 2011 in Blackpool.
So if you ever wanted to meet us, here's a good chance. There'll be lots of arcade games, etc, as well - i'll be fun!

So, hope to see you - and thanks again for all your support

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1. Parts

I already got some parts lying at my office (like the EXT Ports, USB ports, battery contacts, WiFi Modules, etc.), the parts that were lying at CC in Texas have been picked up early last week and should arrive within the next few days, the bare PCBs will arrive today and all remaining needed parts have been organized by Global Components as well.
Well, almost: One part, a coil, is causing a small headache: While the manufacturer can deliver as many as we need until the mass production, they cannot deliver the needed samples until next week. Therefore, GC is looking for a third party source for this coil or a replacement part we can use. Well, in worst case we will rip them from broken CC boards.
As said: We will have them for the full production run. We're only doing 20 units for the prototype run.

2. Prototype and Mass Production Run

The prototype production run has been scheduled to happen next week Thursday or Friday.
Until then all parts should've arrived, so we're ready to go.

The mass production run is scheduled to start January 16th. Of course, this depends on the prototype production run. If the PCBs have some issues, we first need to find out what and why and fix that.
But if they are working properly and without issues, we're set

3. Other tidbits

We found some companies that could produce the TV Out Cables and are currently waiting for quotations.
We'll most probably also have proper AC Adaptors with Pandora stickers on them.
The case mold has been modified a bit to prevent some of the most popular crackings, a sample should be finished tomorrow.

I still need to move some needed parts (like cases, batteries, LCDs, etc.) from Craigs place to my company. Craig packaged that up already and we should be able to move them soon as well.

Oh, and as you might've seen: The repository now offers commercial games!
Therefore, indie game developers could now also become interested in the Pandora.

Do you know some indie or iOS games you'd love to see on the Pandora?
Let's gather a list and contact addresses.
I'll try to officially contact the authors and tell them about the Pandora. As we got some developers who agreed to help with porting the games, we might see some of these games on the Pandora as well!

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I know I am two days too late - but I am pretty sure a lot of you actually followed the older thread as well, with all the thrill and suspense we had!

I am very happy to tell you that the Pandora prototype production run was a full success!
After the issues we had on the first day, we had a nearly-smooth test run on the second day.

The result: 13 out of 13 Pandoras we built are 100% working!
(our goal was to get at least one of them fully working... so I guess that's a good rate )

I've tested the PCBs for the last few days and they all work fine.
The WiFi and BT LEDs (we got more orange ones now, as the old ones looked red) are a bit too bright, but that's just some resistor that needs to be changed.

Mass production run is planned to happen early February, so we should see quite a lot of Pandoras being delivered in February!
The assembly machine Global Components uses can populate 15,000 parts per hour, and the Pandora PCB has about 500 parts.
Therefore, 30 Pandoras per hour can be produced.

Now, remember when I said I've got a little surprise for you?
Here you go: The Pandoras made here will have 512MB of RAM, twice as much as before.
I know that some of you (who already have one) might be disappointed and angry - but we couldn't do much. The old RAM is just not available anymore, so we had to upgrade.
If you're mostly playing games, then the additional RAM most probably won't affect you - it's mostly only helpful if you use the Pandora as Mini-Desktop PC.

However, I am also planning of an upgrade program: If you already own a Pandora, you can get a new PCB for an upgrade price (and either keep or swap your case as well).
The old boards will be sold as second hand units for a cheaper price. I've not worked out the details yet, but these are the basics of what I'm planning.

Here is a small video showing the prototype production run.

OpenPandora: Prototype production run in Germany

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 15:46 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
http://www.pocketables.ne(...)asse-next-month.html

445 euro

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 15:46 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
http://www.pocketables.ne(...)asse-next-month.html

445 euro

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:22 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ik heb anders al meer dan een jaar veel plezier van mijn pandora (alleen was hij toen nog ¤350) er zit trouwens wel iets meer RAM in deze versies.

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:38 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:

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Voor 200 euro had ik 'm besteld en had ik die Vita-pre-order geannuleerd

Ik ben benieuwd of die Pandora nog in prijs kan/gaat dalen...

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Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:43 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Ik begrijp de prijs wel, maar aangezien ik 'm voor 90% voor SNES-emulatie zal gaan gebruiken vind ik het wat veel.

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Op donderdag 26 januari 2012 16:28 schreef darpios het volgende:
Pandora! Ik heb hem ook. Al sinds ruim een jaar, eigenlijk. Wist niet dat er hier een topic over was.

Weet iemand overigens hoe ik OpenVPN aan de praat krijg zonder NetworkManager te frituren? Package networkmanager-openvpn installeren uit de Ångström repo lukt wel, alleen ik kan dan 9 van de 10 keer niet connecten met wifi access points. En verbinding via m'n VPN is wel een must als ik op wifi hotspots zit te internetten.

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really, awesome. bad standby time was my biggest problem with the pandora so far. with new kernel, battery monitor tells me i have like 160h when just letting it be for a while. This is no tweak, it's game-changing

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Op maandag 20 februari 2012 10:29 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Volgensmij werk gigolo in de nieuwste hotfix, heb alleen geen idee hoe een VPN precies opgezet moet worden... ben ik te noobie voor

Trouwens vind ik dat pakages installeren niet de beste manier om dingen te installeren, ik hoop dat ze dat nog gaan verbeteren ik dacht dat topor daar mee bezig was, al was hij meer blaten dan wol.

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Op maandag 20 februari 2012 11:34 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Er is trouwens een erg wezelijke update in de planning (het is in de beta fase) een kernel update. Vanaf deze update heeft de pandora een echte 'standby' feature...

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wat dus betekent dat de pandora net als een telefoon gewoon een weekje gebruikt kan worden (in mijn geval) ipv elke avond opladen. (dat is na 3 uur gebruik in de trein, een uur of wat savonds internetten, en de rest van de dag op de 'slechte standby' nog erg redelijk voor de standaarden van tegenwoordig maar het wordt dus nog beter )

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Op woensdag 22 februari 2012 10:06 schreef darpios het volgende:
Ok, schijnt dus dat NetworkManager breekt als je `opkg update` (ja update, niet upgrade) doet.

FF opnieuw firmware installeren maar.

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Op woensdag 22 februari 2012 11:28 schreef darpios het volgende:
En nu OpenVPN aan de praat proberen te krijgen buiten de Ångström repo om.

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About 350 cases fully prepared.
All 1000 PCBs have been populated on one side (the less complicated one) already.
Population of the second side will start tomorrow morning at 9am.

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Op woensdag 22 februari 2012 11:29 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Is er een reden dat je speciaal openVPN wilt gebruiken?

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Op woensdag 22 februari 2012 15:16 schreef darpios het volgende:

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Ik wil niet onbeveiligd op Wi-Fi zitten. En aangezien PPTP ruk is blijft er vrij weinig over qua alternatieven.

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Op woensdag 22 februari 2012 15:18 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Okay Dat is toch allemaal te technisch voor mij maar gigolo is dus geen optie?

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Sorry for the late newspost - I was totally worn out after the production start on Thursday and Friday so I really needed a weekend to relax.
Had to catch up some sleep as well.

Well, yes, as you've seen in Link's video: It has finally happened. The mass production run has started

Is everything going fast and smooth?
Well, not yet. But that would've been unusual (not only for the Pandora, but also for other devices )

With the first units built, you always go a bit slower as you need to test everything and see if you get any issues on the PCBs that would require the machine to be tweaked.
While assembling the first 40 units, we were also trying to optimize the position of the L and R buttons, so that we don't need to scratch or pad the plastic each time.
This took a while, but with the 30 units Link built today, only one R-Button needed a bit of optimizing, however, most of the L-Buttons were still sitting a bit too high so needed a little cut with the blade.
We'll change this in the machine program, so in the end they'll work as good as the R-Buttons

So far, 180 PCBs have been produced, 80 have been assembled, fully tested and are ready to ship. While this sounds like a lot, the theoretical output of the machine is 250 per day (8 hour shift), but mass productions should start at a slower pace to be sure evrrything works.
Only 3 of those refused to bootup at all, while about 8 have a non-working left nub, so it seems there's some part that needs an optimized placement in the machine program as well.

Everything else was working fine on these PCBs, and the other ones can be fixed.

So with 3 non-booting ones, we are currently at a failure rate of 4%, which is pretty nice for the beginning of a mass production (failure rate goes down the more units you produce).
It should be noted that those 3 were all among the first 15 produced

The new stickers for the battery compartment should arrive tomorrow, all the AC Adaptors should also arrive within this week (scheduled to be in Germany tomorrow), so I'm currently preparing the invoices and eMails for the preorderers.
There's another surprise for you which I'm waiting for... hopefully, it'll be at my place within the next days as well, otherwise, I'll start shipping out Pandoras anyways (it's not mandatory).

Regarding mass production, there is one thing left to be solved:
The OMAP is a real beast to populate. With a pitch of 0,4mm and different tolerances regarding PCB production standards (in this case, the solder mask as well as the metal stencil layer), it takes a bit of work to get everything go smoothly.

Currently, quite a few of the bare PCBs couldn't be used, as some pads didn't have solder paste on after going through the machine.
Instead of just ignoring that issue and populating the PCBs anyways (we've had something like that with a different company already...), GC decided to find a proper solution and are now heavily working on this.
10 panels with bare PCBs have gotten their solder mask tolerances measured, so that a new metal stencil layer can be produced based on these values (to find the absolute middle).
If we're lucky, then this will work out and all PCBs can be populated without any risk. We'll get that stencil layer on Wednesday.
GC also has other solutions ready in case the offsets of the solder mask are too high.
While they won't be running at full speed (so... slower than 250 a day ), they will probably be faster than I can ship them out at the beginning, as I've got so much work to catch up with!

It really kicks ass how helpful GC is and how they successfully try to prevent producing non-working boards and finding solutions fast and quick.
They're totally dedicated to what they're doing, and that's awesome. We're totally on the right way

I'll try to find the time to setup the upgrade-info-page tomorrow and let you know how grab your Pandora a bit faster (only classic preorderers )

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Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 10:22 schreef darpios het volgende:
Schijnt dat de Pandora PCB relatief erg complex is om te maken. Dan vind ik 166 USD nog meevallen als die specs kloppen.

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Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 10:23 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Er loopt een topic over dat bedrijf stuurt gewoon compleet andere dingen, waarschijnlijk krijg je gewoon een NES emulator met een pandora achtig uiterlijk.

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Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 10:26 schreef darpios het volgende:

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Ja dat verbaast me dan weer niets.

Ik heb mijn Pandora maar weer eens opnieuw geflashed. Dit keer raak ik opkg niet aan. En de full firmware reflash laat ik gewoon lekker op de root van m'n SD staan, voor het geval dat.

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Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 10:39 schreef darpios het volgende:
Is er trouwens al hardware accelerated graphics? Of komt dat pas met de nieuwe firmware? Ik meende dat de hardware er al wel in zat maar pas later software in het OS voor gebouwd zou worden.

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Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 09:41 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
pandora the remake

http://wh9533.en.hisuppli(...)andheld-USD-166.html

rare chinezen

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Op donderdag 1 maart 2012 13:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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hehe evildragon heeft interesse getoont, en inmiddels heeft hetzelfde bedrijf contact opgenomen met openpandora om te kijken of ze goedkope units kunnen lospeuteren

Zo werkt het dus

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Op zaterdag 17 maart 2012 10:46 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
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Lijkt toch een stukje profesioneler dan die kartonnen doosjes van craigix

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Op dinsdag 27 maart 2012 11:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Ze zijn druk bezig met Qemu om x86 architectuur spellen te kunnen spelen, ze claimen dat je tot ongeveer pentium 166 kun emuleren

in dit topic : http://boards.openpandora(...)drebirth-cometition/ staan videos van onder meer starcraft, diablo en vele anderen



stelletje helden

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Op woensdag 11 april 2012 12:24 schreef darpios het volgende:
Linkje?

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Op dinsdag 17 april 2012 12:41 schreef darpios het volgende:
Nice. Binnenkort maar ff proberen maar.

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Op zaterdag 17 maart 2012 10:46 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
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Lijkt toch een stukje profesioneler dan die kartonnen doosjes van craigix

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Op dinsdag 24 april 2012 16:59 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Onder de flap staat Pandora's box has been opened

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:26 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Nice!
Nieuwe versie van het OS schijnt ook beter te zijn, ik zit nog op b3, even geen tijd gehad voor de OP.

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:28 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ja vooral de standby is super. Kan nu dagen zonder op te laden.... Het is zo'n fijn apparaat maar het heeft me wel aan een battle for wesnoth verslaving geholpen

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:29 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Dat was al sinds b3, b4 heeft een andere kernel waarvoor een aantal apps opnieuw gecompiled moesten worden, daarom heb ik toen gewacht en er nu geen tijd meer voor gehad.

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:31 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ik bedoel die 3.2 kernel. daar is de standby echt giga... uurtje of 200

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:38 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

Tip voor als je die nog niet hebt: Sunvox Briljant muziekprogramma!

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:43 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Heb je gelezen dat ze 150 1GHz pandoras hebben gemaakt

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Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 11:43 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Scrobbled die, ik ben hooked aan audacious. oh een sequencer, ga ik proberen

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Unless we find serious bugs (hopefully not), Beta 5 will probably be the latest beta before we release an officially stable version of SuperZaxxon

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:52 schreef DjNivek het volgende:
Ik blijf dit echt enorm interessant vinden, maar het prijskaartje blijft me afschrikken, iedere keer weer

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:55 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Ze zijn prijzig maar je krijgt er wel een hele hoop voor vind ik.

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:55 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Dat zeker, en een gemiddelde iphone is duurder....

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:54 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ze zijn nu in stock en de productie loopt stabiel, er zijn honderdvijftig 1GHz pandoras in omloop... ze zijn bezig met oude te refurbishen die komen af en toe goedkoop op de site te staan, dan heb je wat krasjes op de behuizing of dat soort dingen maar soms ook iets ergere afwijkingen als geen wifi (maar als je zonder wifi kunt is dat natuurlijk helemaal niet erg). Iets zegt mij dat we dit jaar nog wel ergens een prijsdaling gaan zien

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:56 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Vind ik de OP toch echt leuker. (ok, ik bel heel weinig )

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:59 schreef DjNivek het volgende:

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Ik wacht het nog wel even af dan

Of hou gewoon de site in de gaten. Een afwijking als geen wifi vind ik toch een vrij serieuze afwijking, dus die sla ik over

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 12:00 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ja ik vind de OP veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel leuker, ik zou geen iphone willen hebben. Ik heb een oude nokia C5 smart genoeg en makkelijk als telefoon

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en mijn pandora gebruik ik voor alle andere dingen, muziek luisteren met scrobbelen, spelletjes (veel scummVM en battle for wesnoth en emulatie... ), protocollen typen, internetten in de trein etc.

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 12:16 schreef darpios het volgende:

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ScummVM

Day of the Tentacle, Sam & Max: Hit The Road, Monkey Island, etc etc.

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 12:30 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Hm, die heb ik pas uitgespeeld op de pc (pas als in 2 jaar geleden ofzo) dus daar heb ik me nog niet aan gewaagd, wist ook niet dat dat kon.

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 14:12 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Waarmee scrobble/speel jij muziek? Ik luister eigenlijk nooit muziek op de OP maar als ik het ga doen wil ik wel scrobblen

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Op dinsdag 5 juni 2012 11:52 schreef DjNivek het volgende:
Ik blijf dit echt enorm interessant vinden, maar het prijskaartje blijft me afschrikken, iedere keer weer

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Op donderdag 14 juni 2012 10:22 schreef Nick-GizMo het volgende:

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Dat heb ik dus ook . Vind het wel mooi om te zien dat het topic nog leeft

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Op donderdag 14 juni 2012 10:31 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Ik heb de 512MB versie. 1 toets werkt echter niet (backspace), twijfel of ik hem terug moet sturen...
Hij werkt niet nooit, maar alleen als je hem op een speciale manier heel hard indrukt.

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Op donderdag 14 juni 2012 11:03 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:
Ik heb er momenteel echt te weinig tijd voor, dat is wel jammer, maar dat zal binnenkort wel weer komen

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:40 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Dat android doet het best wel goed, ik snap alleen android niet dus heb nog geen clou hoe ik dingen moet installeren enzo... beetje browsen lukt prima

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:42 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Gewoon via de Google Play store, maar android op een OP

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:43 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Ja helemaal niet nodig maar het geeft wel weer wat spelletjes vrij, world of goo en angry dingen... maarja ik ga er denk ik weinig gebruik van maken... Hoe meer opties hoe beter toch

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:45 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Er is vast ook wel een Angry Birds voor een desktop Linux.
Android heb ik al op mijn tablet en telefoon

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:51 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Er was ook ergens een illegale angrybirds.pnd ik heb geen tablet en al helemaal geen fancy telefoon dus ik vind het wel grappig dat ik nu ook android apps kan proberen maar zoals ik al zei ik denk niet dat dat er veel zullen zijn.

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:53 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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Ik vind de touchscreen van de OP niet geschikt voor Androidgebruik. Zet anders Android x86 op een laptop ofzo

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 16:58 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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wat is het probleem nou? Ik probeer nu gewoon een beetje android op de pandora verder niets

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 17:05 schreef djkoelkast het volgende:

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zon de

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 17:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:

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Haha ik denk niet dat ik verder ga gebruiken maar ik snap niet wat er op tegen zou zijn? Bang dat het de hoofd OS van de pandora gaat worden? Daar geloof ik namelijk niet! En ik weet ook zeker dat ze dat nooit gaan doen het zal gewoon een linux apparaat blijven.

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Op zaterdag 16 juni 2012 17:36 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
ha ja wel een beetje, maar ik zie het meer als wine op linux draaien. Soms handig. Het is trouwens ook een pnd dus niet een speciale boot of
zo ik zie het alleen maar als wat extra opties. En dan ga ik nu weer wesnoth spelen, in angstrom