Ik heb zelf geen xbox dus ik heb me er niet in verdieptquote:Op woensdag 1 juni 2011 00:11 schreef kingmob het volgende:
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Dat is nogal nutteloos alleen. De vraag is of er een remote skin voor bestaat of dat je alleen de webinterfaces kan gebruiken. Voor de ipad en iphone zijn er bijvoorbeeld hele goede apps.
Ik vind dit vrij ernstig maar gelukkig doen ze niet moeilijk met het terugsturen van de pandoras en je krijgt gewoon een nieuwe en ze hebben zo ongeveer de oplossing bedacht dus hopelijk komt dit niet veel vaker voor.quote:Op maandag 6 juni 2011 22:19 schreef Punnik het volgende:
idd een tijdje aan de lader , maar ook weer niet extreem lang.
jammer idd dat die hotfix te laat komt
het is ook een 'zachte' batterij, Trouwens zijn de probelemen kwa bouw kwaliteit nu zo ongeveer opgelost. Dit probleem doet zich ook niet voor bij iedereen normaal gaat de lading naeen tijdje op 100% gestaan te hebben uit (dat doet de mijne) en dan heb je dit probleem niet. Dit probleem gaat op bij pandoras die met iets minder stroom al op 100% staan en dan niet uitschakelen maar dat is dus ook opgelost (het script is al klaar, en beta verkrijgbaar) maar moet alleen nog geimplementeerd worden.quote:Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 10:27 schreef Bunta-Fujiwara het volgende:
Pfff ik zat te denken om zo'n ding te kopen maar ik zie er vanaf. Teveel problemen kwa bouw kwaliteit zie ik.....
Ik wacht wel tot al die ziektes eruit zijn. Die accu ziet er overigens niet echt degelijk uit....
Lijkt wel een reep chocolade.
Ik hou het wel even bij mijn Caanoo.
Helaasquote:Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 16:39 schreef Punnik het volgende:
ik had ook 1 van de eersten , geloof iets van nummer 58 ofzo..... daarna zijn ze al een stuk beter gebouwd inderdaad , maar deze moet denk ik maar even worden omgeruilt ja :S
Ben benieuwd hoe je de nieuwe gaat vinden ze zijn behoorlijk vooruit gegaan in bouwkwaliteit in het laatste jaarquote:Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:40 schreef Punnik het volgende:
die van mij is opgestuurd en aangekomenyeah !!
nu wachten totdat ze weer 1 terug sturen .......
Niet zulk heel goed nieuwsquote:
Ze gaan dus wisselen van fabriek inplaats van america naar duitsland. Ik hoop dat deze fabriek wel fatsoenlijk kan produceren.quote:As you might have read on the boards, Batch 2 will NOT be produced by CircuitCo anymore.
I am currently contacting companies in Germany to get some quotations.
More about that in the next blog entry.
First, I’ll try to explain the reasons for that move and summarize everything that happened during
the last few months.
January / February: Production resumes
As you might remember, CircuitCo promised us to finish the full 4000 PCB population until the end of last year, so that we had fully working PCBs and only the new nubs would have to be soldered onto them after that.
That would have been a cool thing, as it would’ve meant that Batch 1 would’ve been finished in January / February.
Well, as most of you might know, this hasn’t happened.
Then a new guy had been employed by CC. His job was to do quality management and to oversee the Pandora production.
We got weekly status updates at first, which was great!
He analyzed the bottlenecks, all issues, etc.
While the production speed he told us was slower than we had hoped, at least we now knew what was going on, what issues there were to be solved and we got realistic sounding quantity numbers.
This worked well for the next few months. They regularly sent new boards and while quite a few had some issues, we could continue shipping and send back the non-working boards for repairs.
By selling some units as Premium Pandoras, we could cope with the monthly costs we had as well as with any refunds or money needed for RMAs.
May / June: WiFi issues occur
Then, as you might also know, a LOT of boards of a complete batch had WiFi issues.
Production then came to a halt, we sent these boards back to have them fixed and I created four new testing rigs including a new testing SD Card (with notaz’ help) which tests almost anything the Pandora can do.
They can also run individual tests, so they can work on a PCB with broken WiFi for example and only run the WiFi test.
June / July: Communication gets worse again
That’s when communication and our faith in CC started to break down again.
While at first we got a few quick replies regarding the testing SD Card, we didn’t get a status update for weeks, even though we were asking for that once a day.
Two weeks after they got the new testing setup, they started to work on WiFi… 1,5 weeks later they had a problem with one of the tests. I had a bug in the script that prevented one test from working.
But it took CC 1,5 weeks to realize that. It sure felt like they haven’t done anything within that time…
What’s going on right now with CC?
We are missing about 1000 PCBs from batch 1, and it seems the only ones they have left are boards with issues they need to fix.
Most of these boards had aged bare PCBs. When PCBs are lying around for a year without being populated, they start oxidating – which had happened here. This leads to all kind of issues, as parts don’t
solder properly anymore. Well, if they HAD populated the PCBs last year like the promised us they would, this wouldn’t have happened…
(Note to fearful Pandora owners: The oxidation no problem if your board is already populated, it won’t stop working suddenly. Once the parts are on the board, they have proper contact and won’t fail)
Anyways, they agreed to pay for the new parts needed to fix those PCBs with issues.
They also mentioned they will fix 125+ boards per week, we’ll see if that will work out. But they told us they will finish Batch 1.
Our conclusion?
Well, we personally aren’t pleased with how CC handled the situation. We were given false promises, they didn’t keep any deadlines, the number of boards with issues that need to be fixed before
we can ship them is way too high and communication was really lacking.
This caused our reputation to shrink as well, as we couldn’t keep any deadlines either and it seemed we were telling lies and delaying things.
This is what we experienced, maybe we were just unlucky and other companies have no such issues with CC?
Maybe the Pandora was too complicated to build after all?
Who knows?
Some guy on the BeagleBoard mailing list also wrote he’s been waiting three weeks for a reply from CC, so it at least seems we’re not the only ones.
On thing that is without excuse for us is the lack of communication, the missing status updates as well as the non-kept promises and deadlines.
Issues can ALWAYS occur, but we’d love to know about them, so we can fix them together asap.
As you probably know, the iControlPad is also produced by us. We chose a company in Germany. They didn’t miss a single deadline and each time there was an issue or a question, they contacted us right away.
This was a very pleasant experience.
This does mean that Batch 2 will NOT be produced by CircuitCo. We are now looking into various companies within Europe and should have some quotations within a few weeks.
If you know of any company who can do PoP (Package on Package population) and is reliable (some of you might be involved with some electronics company as well), feel free to contact me.
The more quotations we get, the better
This is a HUGE task we’re doing here. I’ve personally taken the task to work on that. It will cost me a lot of time, energy and sleep – but I’m sure, with your help and support, I can do that!
Next blog post (with some more updates Batch 2 production) coming later today.
Source
The mentioned second blog post:
As promised, here is another blog entry, this time mainly focussing on Batch 2 and the future production.
Yesterday evening, I had a meeting with the guys behind the OpenMoko GTA04.
They have nothing to do with the previous OpenMoko hardware development, they basically built an OMAP3-PCB which fits into the OpenMoko shell.
Their PCB has similar production specs (same SoC, 8 layers, etc.) as ours, they basically live round the corner and they offered to help me (thanks a lot!)
They already have some prototype boards running (looks like a nice Linux-geek-phone to me, if you want to check it out, go to their website), which means they already found a company that can handle the production.
The meeting I had with them yesterday was a very promising one. Nikolaus, the main guy behind the GTA04, knows a lot more about PCB production than we do and therefore gave me some
contacts to some companies as well as some insider tips.
We also chatted about our experiences with CircuitCo and Nikolaus had some ideas why we had so many different issues with boards.
Additionally, he told me, that normally a proper production run should have a failure rate of about 3%. And from those 3%, some PCBs are fixable.
So far, CC had a failure rate of about 20% (even some more, if I count the ones I fixed because some parts like the volume wheel simply weren’t properly soldered).
Not very impressive, so I’m even more eager now to found suitable partners.
Michael Weston sent me the latest gerber files and BoM (Bill of Materials, basically a big list of all needed components) last week.
So I’m now prepared to approach some companies and get the thing rolling properly!
If, however, you know some companies who are reliable and can do such productions as well (and which are at least located in Europe, Germany would be even better), feel free to contact me!
The more quotations I get, the more choices I have and the more I can discuss about the prices with some companies.
Let’s get this thing going!
Ze zijn nu dus druk bezig om de populatie van de pcbs naar duitsland te verplaatsen. Ik hoop dat het team er toch positief uitkomt, ik zou een pandora2 erg tof vinden. Ik blijf supporten maar ik moet toegeven dat het ze niet meezit. Al vind ik het het beste apparaat dat ik ooit in mn handen gehad heb, maar je moet wel een beetje een nerd zijn om het leuk te vinden.quote:You're all waiting for some more news, and yes, I can give you some.
It seems like CircuitCo is finally moving forward. They seem to come along well with my new tester and had success in fixing the boards that have issues.
Should finally be time to expect a new shipment from them, huzzah!
I also got a few positive responses from various companies in Germany.
Two from Munich, which is what I prefer, since I can easily visit them there (not far away).
They are all interested in producing the Pandora PCB and are now working on a quotation.
I will probably visit them next week.
The quotation will take a while (about 3 weeks, as the Pandora is no easy board), but we rather spend our time before production and have a rocking fast and stable production later than experiencing the same problems we had with CC...
As usual, I'll keep you informed. When I visit them, I'll try to make some pictures as well
Zeker, gebruik je hem nog een beetje of niet? Ik denk dat ik hem dagelijks gebruik. We moeten nog steeds een keer wesnoth doenquote:Op dinsdag 26 juli 2011 19:09 schreef The_Tankgirl het volgende:
Hey BB
Oehh.. androidHeb een maandje geleden een tablet met android gekregen, wat is dat toch een super OS
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Ik heb mijn pandora een paar maanden geleden als back-up gebruikt bij het instellen van een netwerk/laptop. Laptop was in het pools dus dan is het wel handig om even een vertaling te googlen
En de pandora past in mijn handtas![]()
Mypaint werkt trouwens super erop
Samenvatting ED heeft gepraat met een bedrijf 90km van munchen af (waar hij woont) en het klinkt goed, ze wachten nu alleen nog op een kostenplaatje.quote:If you followed the recent threads you knew that I was visiting a company today which would be a good candidate to produce Batch 2 (and hopefully many more later batches) of the Pandora.
Doing something like this is always exciting.
Can the company produce the boards?
Do they want to do the job?
Can they do it for a good price?
Will they help you with your project? Or simply do what you tell them to do?
Are they friendly, open and honest?
There's so many stuff swirling around in your head before visiting a company... the future of the Pandora depends on finding the right partner.
Well, I'm pretty sure you all want to know how it went today, right?
Right.
The company I paid a visit today is called Global Components and is located in Oberhaching, near Munich. It's about 90km away from me, so it's not too far and I can easily visit them whenever I need.
I arrived at about 11:10am.
Do you know the rare feeling when you enter a building and just know you've come to the right place?
Well, I had that feeling today. I had a real nice meeting and was greeted heartily.
Everyone I've seen there was motivated, they have a great working atmosphere in there.
For me, this is a very good and important sign. It's always a sign of high quality.
The meeting was very assuring.
First I was given a nice company tour. They got high-quality machines in every room, it looks very organized and tidy. I also saw some boards from current production runs and they use even smaller SMD parts than the Pandora.
From what I've seen, I'm pretty sure they can easily produce our boards, and that's one of the most important things!
I brought some pictures with me. Just a little insight into the whole company. I'm happy that i'm allowed to make a movie of the birth of a Pandora board as soon as production starts.
As I had a Pandora PCB with me, their main technician took a look at it. He explained me some things I always wanted to know (like how PoP is being done and how the full population process works, etc.).
He also suggested a solution to place the shoulder buttons way better so we won't have manually fix the plastic with some buttons.
All in all, things looked pretty good for me. They agreed that they want to produce the PCBs
I'm now awaiting a quotation from them (this will take a few weeks), then we'll need to check on the leadtime of the parts and while waiting for those, the production will be set up.
This surely will all take a while. There's no company that can just get the gerber files and start with the production the next day.
The PCBs will take a few weeks to produce, the parts have a certain leadtime and the machine also needs to be setup and programmed.
However, once this is done, PCBs will be finished very fast. I'll get the amount of Pandora PCBs they can produce per week within the next weeks.
Oh, on a side note they mentioned that they would try to help us fix boards with issues as well, in case CC doesn't really move forward here.
I'll send them a few ones of them over, so that they can check if a repair is possible and much it would cost. So if CC doesn't do much, we might move the repairs of the remaining boards of Batch 1 to Germany as well.
Parts, setup, etc. need to be paid upfront, so this is another issue we need to take care of. CC did cost us a lot of money, and we still don't know how fast they'll send us more boards - there still are 1000 missing!
The iControlPad helps us earning money as well, which is great, but the faster we have the total amount of needed money available, the faster the production can start.
That's why I'm also checking for additional solutions to raise money faster. I'll keep you informed on that!
If anyone knows someone who'd like to support us, get in contact with me! I'm sure we can make some good deal here.
Well, anyways, it seems we found a new company that can do the production!
I'm very happy about that, as you never can be sure before visiting them.
The next steps for now are:
* Get a quotation from them, check what parts are needed and how fast
* Make a proper new business plan (including total costs, estimated times, etc.)
* Make sure to have money ready when payments are due
* Try to squeeze as many working boards out of CC as possible
Oh, and of course (as soon as got the top priority things done):
* Continue to work on HotFix 6
* Update the website (REAAAALLY needed!)
* Fix the remaining RMAs
* Check the remaining PCBs I got here
I'll let you know any further steps that happen, as usual
If you want to see the pictures I took at the company, click here.
het bedrijf dat de electronica van de pandora op de printplaatjes moet zetten fuckt de boel op en doet dingen de ze beloofd hebben niet etc etc. nu gaan ze voor batch 2 met een duitse fabriek werken.quote:
Kon wel, maar sinds een paar weken niet meer idd.quote:Op vrijdag 29 juli 2011 12:33 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Okay, dus ik kan nog steeds geen Pandora zomaar bestellen via impulsaankoop. Zonde
Samenvatting: ze zijn serieus bezig met een duitse bedrijf voor het maken van de binnenkant van de pandora in plaats van een teleurstellend amerikaans bedrijf, ze willen investors en er komen nieuwe onbetaalde preorders.quote:Firstly, I apologize to everyone who is waiting for eMail replies, repaired Pandoras or similar from me.
The business plan and the planning of the production in Germany did eat most of my time, so I'm way behind with emails and Pandora repairs!
It's the most important thing right now. Once the business plan is finished (probably early next week), it's time to find investors to get all the money needed and then it's time to sign the offer with Global Components.
Once that's done, the move to a german production company will finally have started and take a while. That's when I will have a lot more time to work on mails, Hotfix 6 and repairing Pandoras.
Even if some won't believe it: I'm only human. Yes, really
Now, time for some news, isn't it?
1. Quotation from Global Components
I got the final quotation yesterday. As expected, it's more expensive than CircuitCo (Germany is ALWAYS more expensive), but I'm pretty content with it.
As the price is calculated on the time that is needed for production, I also got a first estimation of how fast the production can happen.
Basically, calculating the estimated time is simple:
The main population is being done by a machine.
It is known, how many parts per minute the machine can place on the boards. So based on the amount of parts that are on a Pandora board, the time can be calculated.
First you load all the needed reels with the parts into the machine. Depending on how many different parts you have, this takes a while.
For the Pandora, this actually takes a full working day (8 hours!).
Then the machine automatically populates the PCBs. This happens in three steps for the Pandora: Both sides need to be populated and the RAM needs to be put PoP (package on package) on the OMAP.
It takes 22 hours to populate 1000 PCBs (approx. every 1,5 minutes one PCB is fully populated).
After that, they go into the oven so that the parts are baked onto the PCB. And that's it.
So SMD population of 1000 boards takes about 30 hours. That is about a week. Nice
After that, there's manual soldering to be done. Nubs, Volume wheels. And testing. Each test takes 4 minutes.
Since they have multiple people working on this, it will be another 30 hours.
However, that can be done while the population goes on.
So basically, they could theoretically produce 1000 boards within two weeks.
Right now, I'm planning with 1000 boards each month for a start. That should be realistic. And better be safe than sorry... something we learnt the hard way.
So, while production speed actually seems to be pretty fast, this does not mean that we'll have thousands of Pandoras soon.
The machine needs to be programmed, bare PCBs need to be prepared and a prototype testing run needs to be done (though if that one goes without issues, the real production can start right away).
And: It won't happen before the order is signed - and therefore, money is needed.
Which leads us to the next point...
2. Investors for OpenPandora GmbH welcome
To move the production to Germany, money is needed.
There were quite a few refunds lately and CircuitCo delivering boards at a crawling speed is not helping much either.
And we need to make sure there's also money there when more people want to get a refund before the Pandoras are finished!
Of course, we could try to fund it with iControlPad sales at some time - but who knows how long that would need.
Aditionally, we don't just want to deliver all remaining preorders but have the Pandora produced at a regular basis so future users can buy them without having to wait.
Production needs to become reliable and steady.
That's the reason I've been working on a business plan for the last weeks: It actually is a pretty accurate calculation of the costs and time needed.
Once all preorders are fullfilled, there can be made some money from it. I discussed this with my tax counsellor (who is experienced with stuff like this) and she thinks it should certainly be possible to get some big investor.
I prefer trusted community members and known Pandora users. You can be sure notch will be one of the very first to receive a copy of the business plan!
Of course, anyone here from the boards can also help us out with some investments.
We need to set a minimum amount though, otherwise it will be way too much paperwork. The minimum amount should be something like 10.000 EUR.
If everything goes according to the plan, the invested money would be fully refinanced next year May and from then on, it's time to make money with the Pandora.
This should be a very interesting opportunity for every investor. You can be sure my main goal in September will be to find an investor and sign the order for the production as soon as possible.
If you are seriously interested in investing money or do know someone who would be interested, get in touch with me (via PM or eMail). I'll send you a copy of the business plan as well as soon as it's finished.
One thing is sure: I'll only accept silent investors. That is: Investors who get their share of profit each year, but are not involved in any decisions. We all want to keep the Pandora the way it is!
I'm happy to share the success of the Pandora with anyone, who helps to make the Pandora successful
3. Preorder time!
What? Again?
Are you kidding me?
You want more money from us before you even delivered the units?
Well... no.
Yes, there will be another time to place a preorder soon.
But no: You won't need to pay any money upfront.
As said, we really NEED to move away from paid preorders.
So what's the reason we want more preorders then?
Easy. Basically, there are two reasons:
1. I get so many eMails from people who want to order the Pandora. A preorder makes sense
2. The more preorders we get, the more easy it is to find an investor! Just imagine you can tell an investor "Hey, I already got way more customers than I need!"... this will certainly help a lot.
I will start taking preorders probably the end of next week.
If you are interested in a second unit or know anyone who would love to get a Pandora: Let them know!
The more orders we get, the better. And there is no risk involved - well, except for that you will have to buy a Pandora once it's finished.
4. What about CircuitCo?
They are still repairing the remaining boards. That takes some time.
They shipped another 50 boards last week.
So there will be some more Pandoras shipped soon, but I personally don't expect them to be able to repair much faster.
That's why I'm currently concentrating on the future Pandora production.
5. Conclusion
In my opinion, things are looking good.
Yes, it surely will take a while until the "German Pandoras" will be finished. I'm happy if we get the first units until November / December, but I can't guarantee anything.
Well, I can guarantee to keep you informed about every step that happens.
First step is to gather enough money to make this happen. But this certainly seems possible. The Pandora will keep alive. I'm sure of that, because as a community, we can achieve everything if we just try to do so
So for everyone who walked with us the long way: Thanks a lot! You really rock!
And to newcomers: The Pandora rocks. That's what so many people who got one tell you. And that's why you can be sure we will do EVERYTHING we're capable of to continue the production!
Best wel heavy eigenlijk dat er gelijk 40 investors uit de community komen. Minimale inleg is geloof ik ergens rond de ¤2000 dus dat is niet niks.quote:Well, just some quick news to tell you that I finished the business plan this weekend and sent it out to interested investors.
Over 40 community members have sent me mails that they are interested in investing - guys, you rock!
I also sent a copy to notch - he was one of the first people to order a Pandora (and waited until he got it), so he might be a potential candidate as well.
I will let you know more details and informations about it soon, as well as the preordering that should start soo
Als mensen ergens diep in geloven is er best wel animo voor om te investeren. Ik zie steeds vaker dat ik ook wel bereid ben ergens in te investeren, als ik geld had om dat te doen.quote:Op donderdag 22 september 2011 11:24 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Pandora episode 2 is onderweg
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Best wel heavy eigenlijk dat er gelijk 40 investors uit de community komen. Minimale inleg is geloof ik ergens rond de ¤2000 dus dat is niet niks.
Dat lukt die nieuwe PSVita dus noooooiiiit.quote:Ohja en dat alles met een batterij tijd van 8 uur met wifi + 100% CPU gebruik.
quote:Op donderdag 22 september 2011 11:24 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
Pandora episode 2 is onderweg
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Best wel heavy eigenlijk dat er gelijk 40 investors uit de community komen. Minimale inleg is geloof ik ergens rond de ¤2000 dus dat is niet niks.
10.000 zelfs, (uit je eerdere post).quote:We need to set a minimum amount though, otherwise it will be way too much paperwork. The minimum amount should be something like 10.000 EUR.
Ik weet ook niet of die 40 hebben geīnvesteerd of interesse hebben om te investeren.quote:Op vrijdag 23 september 2011 15:15 schreef Gambolputty het volgende:
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10.000 zelfs, (uit je eerdere post).
De batterij tijd is voor mij ook een groot pluspunt, ik heb eigenlijk nog nooit gehad dat niet genoeg batterij meer had, een dag houd hij het gemakkelijk uit zelfs met intensieve gaming sessies.quote:Op vrijdag 23 september 2011 10:01 schreef Mr_Belvedere het volgende:
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Als mensen ergens diep in geloven is er best wel animo voor om te investeren. Ik zie steeds vaker dat ik ook wel bereid ben ergens in te investeren, als ik geld had om dat te doen.
Overigens:
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Dat lukt die nieuwe PSVita dus noooooiiiit.Dat lukt een gemiddelde smartphone nog niet eens.
Alhoewel de technologie natuurlijk niet te vergelijken is, vind ik het bijzonder en frappant dat over het ontwerp van een pandora blijkbaar veel meer nagedacht is. Ook de kracht van community.
korte samenvatting: veel interesse van investeerders de toekomstige move naar een duitse fabriek ziet er goed uit!quote:Good, back to some Pandora news.
A. The quest for raising funds
In my opinion, thinks are looking good.
So far, about 60 users from the community have given me their interest in investing. This is absolute astounding!
About 14 confirmed the amount of money they plan to invest - and that's about 120.000 EUR already.
Another 10 told me a rough value they are planning to invest - and alltogether, we're at 240.000 EUR with that... a good start after a week, I think.
I also sent notch a copy of the business plan via snail mail, though I have no idea whether he's interested or not.
Next week, I'm having a meeting with two agents who have some major investors at hand who work in IT business and are venturesome, often investing in start-ups.
And this Friday, I've got an appointment with my local bank to check whether there are any governmental fundings we could apply for as well.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I just checked how many users have subscribed to the OpenPandora newsletter: What would you guess? 1000? 5000? 10000? Nope. In fact, we've got 17000 users subscribed to the newsletter!
If I'd asked for investors or donations there as well... heck, if only a half of them would donate only 5 EUR, that would be another 42000 EUR!
Don't want to beg for donations thoughBut it just made me think that you can achieve almost anything with a great community!
As it looks like, we shouldn't have too many problems getting the money together to lead us all into a great Pandora future. I'll keep you informed!
B. Okay, but... what IS the plan?
We've got multiple things to cover here, so the plan is basically split into multiple stages.
1. Get things going, get units to all of you!
First priority is of course to get the production running and deliver the remaining units to all our patient preorderers,
Production will happen in batches of 1000.
Some of these 1000 will have to go to new orders and some of these will go to the preorderers.
How many will go where depends on CC, the US/EUR conversion rate, the PCB failure rate, donations, the total amount of invested money we get and the amount of refunds we get until then.
Basically, it's easy: We need a certain amount of money to produce the next batch of 1000.
The first 1000 will have a higher cost (as there are one-time-costs), the next 1000 will be cheaper as we already own some parts, but this is too much to explain in detail.
About 1200 preorders are still left to be delivered. CC still has to deliver about 1000 PCBs.
Let's say CC delivers 500 PCBs and we'd have about 300 refunds. With an investment capital of 350K, most of the preorders would be finished with the first batch of 1000, the remaining ones with the next one.
If CC wouldn't deliver ANY PCBs from now on, it would the last ones would be delivered with the fourth batch of 1000 units.
Of course, if we get a higher amount of investments or more donations, we can deliver more preordered units with each batch. Same if the USD / EUR conversion rate is better for us.
The trick is to keep a balance between the costs for the next Pandoras, the amount of preordered units and refunds and the units that need to be sold to new customers.
I created a nice LibreOffice Calc-Sheet that helps me quickly tune the parameters and let me know how many units go where.
GC should be able to produce 1000 Pandoras per month - though I expect about 1000 in two months at the beginning. Things should be moving faster once we get there.
2. Support development, increase popularity
Once all old customers have gotten their unit as well as quite a few new ones and the production is running stable, it's time to increase the popularity of the Pandora.
Do some marketing, make it known to new users.
Some money will be used to improve the OS and support application and games development, maybe we could do some coding competitions as well.
Primary goal now is to support OpenSource development and increase the attractivity for new users with more software.
At the same time, development of the Pandora 2 is planned to happen. As we all know now, this sure will take a long while - so there's plenty of time to have fun with the Pandora 1!
C. And what's the bad news?
The usual... we didn't get much at all from CC.
Neither tons of boards nor much information via eMail.
I've never seen a company with worse communication and customer service, honestly.
Well, we still hope to get the remaining boards for them - but I'm just happy we're moving forward here with the production in Germany.
quote:The last post was only a few days ago, but I thought you'll be interested in the stuff that happened.
1. Investment capital
I can't stop to tell everyone how impressed I am about the power of the community!
About 70 community members are interested in investing so far.
38 reported back how much money they are planning to invest (some gave me a certain value).
The amount of money raised is simply astounding:
About 194.000 EUR are certain so far, whereas it sums up to 455.000 EUR including the amount of money from the users who are still thinking about it.
That's 100.000 EUR more than needed!
And 32 haven't even told me how much they are planning to invest...
The german-speaking investors have already received a preview copy of the contract.
It's currently being translated into english language. While my english is not too bad, it certainly is not good enough to translate a proper contract.
That's why a professional lawyer is doing this.
Monday is a holiday in Germany, however, I hope I'll get the contract within the next week.
I'm having a meeting with two interested big investors sometime next week - but as things are looking right now, I'm not sure I'll need them...
Well, can't hurt having more potential investors - though the one from the community will have a higher priority!
2. Tuesday: Next meeting with Global Components
As things are looking very well with the investment capital, it's time to go to Global Components and discuss the production plan.
This will happen on Tuesday.
As it looks like the investment capital shouldn't be an issue, I'll also order the bare PCBs on that day.
The bare PCBs have some one-time-costs for tooling, etc., but I can afford that myself.
20 bare PCBs for testing will be produced. That takes about 5 weeks, which means we're going to see the birth of the very first Pandoras in Germany in November.
And yes, we WILL see it, as I'll post a full HD video of the very first Pandora PCBs being populated in Germany.
You will actually be able to see the process of a Pandora being born!
If those boards work without any issues, it'll take another 4 - 5 weeks until all 1000 PCBs for the first batch are finished - well, and then it's time for the full production run.
During October, we'll need to do some more small payments (to buy the nubs, etc.), but some investors already mentioned they could send the money right away, so that would work out fine.
Most of the money won't be needed before November, so there's time to do sign the contracts and transfer the money.
3. Preorders!
The next round or preordering is just round the corner!
If you're interested in getting a Pandora (or another one, if you already have one): The preordering will start on Tuesday.
The final price of one Pandora will be about 370 EUR, though this time, there's no need to pay in advance.
We're requesting a small downpayment of 10 EUR in advance - but I guess that won't hurt anyone who is really interested in getting one.
If you want to support us, you are free to pay more than 10 EUR in advance. The downpayment will be completely deducted from the final price.
Anyone is welcome to spread the word about the Pandora to friends, family or on other websites. Let them know the preorder has started!
More details on Tuesday, of course.
quote:As promised, preordering the Pandora is now possible again - and no need to cash in the money for the whole console anymore!
Of course, if you already HAVE a paid preorder, it stays valid and you should get your unit shortly after production in Germany has started.
The current price is 375 EUR, but I'll still have some negotiations to do, so it might drop.
If you preorder now and the price drops, you will also get the new price, so 375 EUR is a max right now.
The only thing you need to do to get a valid preorder is head over to the OpenPandora.org website, place your preorder and make a prepayment of 10 EUR.
We are currently planning to have 1000 Pandoras produced per month starting from January - so to make sure you get one as early as possible, be sure to place your preorder early.
Once production is running sweet, my main goal will be to support OpenSource development and developers here from the community to turn the Pandora into the ultimate portable Mini-PC/OpenSource-Gaming platform!
Of course, you are very welcomed to help us as well.
Spread the word, inform friends, colleagues and family about the Pandora or whoever you think could be interested!
Thanks![]()
quote:And it looks like my birthday wish from last week came true... we got 325K EUR 99% ensured already, so.... Pandora will continue to live, made in Germany
Hi-Ha-Herstart!quote:This will be a short newspost, as I had a loooong day and want to get some rest... but...
We got enough investments to start everything here in Germany!
Thanks a lot to anyone who kindly invest their money for the trust - I will do everything to get things running as good and smooth as possible!
If you are one of the guys who are thinking about investing but haven't made your final decision yet:
Don't worry, you're not too late - I've got 350K EUR right now and will accept investments up to 450K EUR... as that means that I can buy more parts at once which decreases the production costs as well.
So, during the next week, it's time to prepare all the contracts and send them to the investors.
We're very good within my timeframe, so it still looks like the big run in Germany will start in January.
Tomorrow I'll have a meeting with the guys from EBV (major distributor for parts, we bought all the TI parts from them) to discuss how to move the parts for Batch 2 from CircuitCo in Texas to Global Components in Germany.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Also, if you didn't see it yet:
Both Craig, me and quite a few guys from the community will be at the Replay Expo 2011 in Blackpool.
So if you ever wanted to meet us, here's a good chance. There'll be lots of arcade games, etc, as well - i'll be fun!
So, hope to see you - and thanks again for all your support![]()
korte samenvatting het gaat nog goed, proef run in de nieuwe fabriek is gepland over 2 weken en productie van de nieuwe batch start in het nieuwe jaar. Ook zijn de eerste commerciele titels op de pandora gesignaleerd.quote:1. Parts
I already got some parts lying at my office (like the EXT Ports, USB ports, battery contacts, WiFi Modules, etc.), the parts that were lying at CC in Texas have been picked up early last week and should arrive within the next few days, the bare PCBs will arrive today and all remaining needed parts have been organized by Global Components as well.
Well, almost: One part, a coil, is causing a small headache: While the manufacturer can deliver as many as we need until the mass production, they cannot deliver the needed samples until next week. Therefore, GC is looking for a third party source for this coil or a replacement part we can use. Well, in worst case we will rip them from broken CC boards.
As said: We will have them for the full production run. We're only doing 20 units for the prototype run.
2. Prototype and Mass Production Run
The prototype production run has been scheduled to happen next week Thursday or Friday.
Until then all parts should've arrived, so we're ready to go.
The mass production run is scheduled to start January 16th. Of course, this depends on the prototype production run. If the PCBs have some issues, we first need to find out what and why and fix that.
But if they are working properly and without issues, we're set
3. Other tidbits
We found some companies that could produce the TV Out Cables and are currently waiting for quotations.
We'll most probably also have proper AC Adaptors with Pandora stickers on them.
The case mold has been modified a bit to prevent some of the most popular crackings, a sample should be finished tomorrow.
I still need to move some needed parts (like cases, batteries, LCDs, etc.) from Craigs place to my company. Craig packaged that up already and we should be able to move them soon as well.
Oh, and as you might've seen: The repository now offers commercial games!
Therefore, indie game developers could now also become interested in the Pandora.
Do you know some indie or iOS games you'd love to see on the Pandora?
Let's gather a list and contact addresses.
I'll try to officially contact the authors and tell them about the Pandora. As we got some developers who agreed to help with porting the games, we might see some of these games on the Pandora as well!
samenvatting de prototype run in duitsland was succesvol, vanaf volgende jaar worden pandora's dus in duitsland gemaakt. Bonus nieuws de pandora's die in duitsland gemaakt worden krijgen 512 MB RAM ipv 265 (wat handig is voor firefox bijvoorbeeld)quote:I know I am two days too late - but I am pretty sure a lot of you actually followed the older thread as well, with all the thrill and suspense we had!
I am very happy to tell you that the Pandora prototype production run was a full success!
After the issues we had on the first day, we had a nearly-smooth test run on the second day.
The result: 13 out of 13 Pandoras we built are 100% working!
(our goal was to get at least one of them fully working... so I guess that's a good rate)
I've tested the PCBs for the last few days and they all work fine.
The WiFi and BT LEDs (we got more orange ones now, as the old ones looked red) are a bit too bright, but that's just some resistor that needs to be changed.
Mass production run is planned to happen early February, so we should see quite a lot of Pandoras being delivered in February!
The assembly machine Global Components uses can populate 15,000 parts per hour, and the Pandora PCB has about 500 parts.
Therefore, 30 Pandoras per hour can be produced.
Now, remember when I said I've got a little surprise for you?
Here you go: The Pandoras made here will have 512MB of RAM, twice as much as before.
I know that some of you (who already have one) might be disappointed and angry - but we couldn't do much. The old RAM is just not available anymore, so we had to upgrade.
If you're mostly playing games, then the additional RAM most probably won't affect you - it's mostly only helpful if you use the Pandora as Mini-Desktop PC.
However, I am also planning of an upgrade program: If you already own a Pandora, you can get a new PCB for an upgrade price (and either keep or swap your case as well).
The old boards will be sold as second hand units for a cheaper price. I've not worked out the details yet, but these are the basics of what I'm planning.
Here is a small video showing the prototype production run.
Too muchquote:Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 15:46 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
http://www.pocketables.ne(...)asse-next-month.html
445 euro
Ik heb anders al meer dan een jaar veel plezier van mijn pandora (alleen was hij toen nog ¤350) er zit trouwens wel iets meer RAM in deze versies.quote:Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 15:46 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
http://www.pocketables.ne(...)asse-next-month.html
445 euro
Voor 200 euro had ik 'm besteld en had ik die Vita-pre-order geannuleerdquote:Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:22 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
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Ik heb anders al meer dan een jaar veel plezier van mijn pandora (alleen was hij toen nog ¤350) er zit trouwens wel iets meer RAM in deze versies.
Geen idee, ze zijn behoorlijk genaaid door het amerikaanse bedrijf die de printplaten in elkaar zette (ze leverden niet wat ze beloofd hadden) ze hebben geen geld achter de hand om tegen dit soort problemen veel geld aan te gooien, nu is de productie dus naar duitsland.quote:Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:38 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
[..]
Voor 200 euro had ik 'm besteld en had ik die Vita-pre-order geannuleerd![]()
Ik ben benieuwd of die Pandora nog in prijs kan/gaat dalen...
Het is ook veel.... Ik zit er eventueel over na te denken om deze pandora met het dubbele RAM (handig voor firefox en battle for wesnoth) te bestellen, ze krijgen een deal voor mensen die al een oude pandora hebben. Het zou trouwens best kunnen zijn dat die pandoras later voor een schappelijke prijs op de markt komen.quote:Op woensdag 25 januari 2012 21:43 schreef Notorious_Roy het volgende:
Ik begrijp de prijs wel, maar aangezien ik 'm voor 90% voor SNES-emulatie zal gaan gebruiken vind ik het wat veel.
Volgensmij werk gigolo in de nieuwste hotfix, heb alleen geen idee hoe een VPN precies opgezet moet worden...quote:Op donderdag 26 januari 2012 16:28 schreef darpios het volgende:
Pandora!Ik heb hem ook.
Al sinds ruim een jaar, eigenlijk.
Wist niet dat er hier een topic over was.
Weet iemand overigens hoe ik OpenVPN aan de praat krijg zonder NetworkManager te frituren? Package networkmanager-openvpn installeren uit de Ångström repo lukt wel, alleen ik kan dan 9 van de 10 keer niet connecten met wifi access points.En verbinding via m'n VPN is wel een must als ik op wifi hotspots zit te internetten.
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