POL SC [Deel 1666] Make love not war <3

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:10 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:

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Thatcher laat ik even in het midden.. Maar ik denk niet dat het mijn PM zou zijn..

Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

Truste

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Op zondag 19 december 2010 21:06 schreef Zolcon het volgende:

Herinnert u zich deze NOG Nog noggg... ? Groenink gaat er vandoor met kunst van ABN

Hij komt er nog aan, Betyar, problemen met filesharing.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:18 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

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Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

Hier ook. De oorlog tegen het communisme

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:18 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

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Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

De beste president van de 20e eeuw was FDR.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef GSbrder het volgende:
Hij komt er nog aan, Betyar, problemen met filesharing.

doe maar rustig lees hem morgen pas, beetje laat nu.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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De beste president van de 20e eeuw was FDR.

Roosevelt?

Degene met de grootste begrafenis was in ieder geval Josip Broz Tito.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef phpmystyle het volgende:

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Hier ook. De oorlog tegen het communisme

Een dieptepunt in de geschiedenis van de VS. De oorlog tegen communisme draaide uit op een absurde heksenjacht binnen de eigen landsgrenzen. Bah!

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:18 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

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Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

Sorry, andere reactie niet mogelijk...

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:18 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

Het was zijn beste rol ooit en de mensen achter hem waren uitmuntende puppetmasters indeed

Y

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:20 schreef TomLievense het volgende:

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Roosevelt?

Yup.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef TomLievense het volgende:
Truste

TRuste!

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:18 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

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Reagan is een van de beste presidenten van de 20e eeuw, en een van mijn persoonlijke helden.

Wel flauw dat je direct begint te trollen in dit nieuwe topic.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef phpmystyle het volgende:

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Hier ook. De oorlog tegen het communisme

Precies. De evil empire.

Vast niet 'genuanceerd' genoeg voor de linksen, maar oh zo juist en oh zo getuigend van een gezond moreel kompas.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:19 schreef GSbrder het volgende:
Hij komt er nog aan, Betyar, problemen met filesharing.

Zal hem morgen eens lezen

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:20 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Een dieptepunt in de geschiedenis van de VS. De oorlog tegen communisme draaide uit op een absurde heksenjacht binnen de eigen landsgrenzen. Bah!

Dat was McCarthy, zo'n 30 jaar eerder. Een kleinigheidje...

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:21 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:

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Sorry, andere reactie niet mogelijk...

Natuurlijk wel : Reagan : een cohen avant le lettre, maar 10 x beter

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:23 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Zal hem morgen eens lezen

Het zijn maar 3 pagina's
Wanneer meer mensen willen weten hoeveel het kost om een sociale huurwoning te exploiteren, pm maar.

Ga Halsema sowieso enorm missen in het debat... De Kamer wordt een stuk saaier

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:23 schreef fokthesystem het volgende:

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Natuurlijk wel : Reagan : een cohen avant le lettre, maar 10 x beter

Klets niet zo raar

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:23 schreef Zolcon het volgende:
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Paradigma is trouwens een zeer fraai woord. Dit valt onder het Kritisch Realisme.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:24 schreef GSbrder het volgende:

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Het zijn maar 3 pagina's
Wanneer meer mensen willen weten hoeveel het kost om een sociale huurwoning te exploiteren, pm maar.

Om half 1 ga ik niet meer serieus lezen

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:24 schreef Whiskers2009 het volgende:

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Klets niet zo raar

Eeej ik doe wat ik doe, en vraag niet waarom

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:24 schreef GSbrder het volgende:

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Het zijn maar 3 pagina's
Wanneer meer mensen willen weten hoeveel het kost om een sociale huurwoning te exploiteren, pm maar.

PM mij maar, ik wil het wel lezen

I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.

It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."


This idea -- that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power -- is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."

The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.

Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.

Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we're always "against," never "for" anything.

We are for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we have accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. However, we are against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments....

We are for aiding our allies by sharing our material blessings with nations which share our fundamental beliefs, but we are against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world.

We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward restoring for our children the American Dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.... But we cannot have such reform while our tax policy is engineered by people who view the tax as a means of achieving changes in our social structure....

Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents of every dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp.

Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.

If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.

They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits--not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

Briljant.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:27 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:
I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.

It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."


This idea -- that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power -- is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream--the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."

The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.

Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.

Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we're always "against," never "for" anything.

We are for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we have accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. However, we are against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments....

We are for aiding our allies by sharing our material blessings with nations which share our fundamental beliefs, but we are against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world.

We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward restoring for our children the American Dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.... But we cannot have such reform while our tax policy is engineered by people who view the tax as a means of achieving changes in our social structure....

Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents of every dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp.

Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.

If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.

They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits--not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

Briljant.

Het is laat en ik heb een zeeeeer vermoeiend weekend achter de rug.. Nu FF niet, wellicht lees ik het later..

PS zou je "Quousque tandem abutere, PvdA, patientia nostra?" om dezelfde reden ff willen vertalen naar NL voor me??

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:22 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Wel flauw dat je direct begint te trollen in dit nieuwe topic.

Ik ben serieus. Reagan was een briljante man.

Ik zat al te -en en ga nu -en wat mag overgaan in -en
treltewusten en tot andermaal.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:26 schreef Zolcon het volgende:

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Prachtig woord. Daarom strooi ik het rond.

Paradigmaverschuiving

Maar jij voelt meer voor de conflicttheorie van Marx? Ik ben meer een symbolisch interactionist, oftewel interpretivist.

If people define their situations as real, they are real in their consequences

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:29 schreef Zolcon het volgende:
Ik kan het trouwens wel waarderen dat de mensen die in POL rondhangen redelijk veel (met name historische) kennis bezitten. Gewoon als 'bindend' compliment voor links en rechts

Yumm!! Binden

Wat typisch links groepsgedrag weer
Nee, dankjewel en dat kan ik van (bijna) iedereen hier zeggen. Keep up the good work.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:28 schreef Sachertorte het volgende:

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Ik ben serieus. Reagan was een briljante man.

(niet dat ik je geloof)

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:29 schreef Zolcon het volgende:
Ik kan het trouwens wel waarderen dat de mensen die in POL rondhangen redelijk veel (met name historische) kennis bezitten. Gewoon als 'bindend' compliment voor links en rechts

Yumm!! Binden

Ik ga de hond uitlaten en naar bed.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:30 schreef fokthesystem het volgende:
Ik zat al te -en en ga nu -en wat mag overgaan in -en
treltewusten en tot andermaal.

Truste!

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:24 schreef GSbrder het volgende:

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Het zijn maar 3 pagina's
Wanneer meer mensen willen weten hoeveel het kost om een sociale huurwoning te exploiteren, pm maar.

Doe mij ook maar zo'n pm'etje.

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Op maandag 20 december 2010 00:31 schreef Zolcon het volgende:

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Een beetje binden is nooit verkeerd.
Het is trouwens rechts die in speelt op het groepsgedrag van het Nederlandse Volk

Rechts =/= PVV.