[POL Café 1032] wij houden van Sjors.

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 16:08 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Oh sorry, nepturk.

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In NOVA Politiek: drie politica's over de Algemene Beschouwingen

Het tweedaagse debat in de Tweede Kamer over de plannen van het minderheidskabinet Balkenende in 2007 zit er op. Wat Algemene Beschouwingen heette, kon ook doorgaan voor een eerste verkiezingsdebat in aanloop naar 22 november.

Vanavond vanuit café Dudok in Den Haag geven drie 'first ladies' hun 'second opinion' over deze Algemene Beschouwingen, de diverse verkiezingsprogramma's en de actualiteiten.
Aan tafel zit Gerda Verburg, vice-fractievoorzitter van het CDA, Jet Bussemaker, lid van de Tweede-Kamerfractie van de PVDA en Edith Schippers, ook vice-fractievoorzitter maar dan van de VVD.

Burgers geven ook vanavond weer hun reactie in 'De Straat'. Verder de nieuwste Politieke Barometer en de visie van Joep Bertrams.

22.30, Nederland 2

Presentatie: Clairy Polak en Joost Karhof

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 15:23 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Jij snapt hem in 1 keer. Autodidact had last van slaperigheid ofzo.

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 16:17 schreef Autodidact het volgende:

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. Misschien, als het ironisch bedoeld was heb ik niks gezegd.

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 16:19 schreef Autodidact het volgende:
Ik heb niks gezegd en dit bericht bestaat niet.

En ik heb weekend .

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Militaire klokkenluider bevestigd vermoedens. VS liet gekaapte vliegtuigen bewust vliegen

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CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information

Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

"I didn't get to see tower one hit, I was in there talking with individuals and i was tired, I'd been there since four in the morning. Then all of a sudden everybody started hustling and bustling. it was like NASA when Apollo 13 was about to crash, everybody running around, and then they put it on the big screen, CNN with the tower on fire.

Then we see the other plane come in and hit it and at that point everybody is standing up. The air force had commanders in contact with NORAD. The plane, or whatever, hit the Pentagon and then we were like 'Why aren't they scrambling jets?' We were asking, there was eight or nine people... Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels asking the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the air force 'why isn't NORAD scrambling jets? and he said 'we received an order to stand down''. And that just perplexed everybody."

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De komende oorlog tegen Iran - Deel 13

Diverse eenheden van de Amerikaanse Marine is te verstaan gegeven paraat te staan op 1 oktober. De planning van het Pentagon met betrekking tot Iran is doorgestuurd naar het Witte Huis. Sam Gardiner concludeert: 'I think the plan's been picked: bomb the nuclear sites in Iran'. De Amerikaanse president Bush zei recentelijk: 'It's very important for the American people to see the president try to solve problems diplomatically before resorting to military force.'

Charles Krauthammer noteert in een column in The Washington Post: '"Before" implies that the one follows the other. The signal is unmistakable. An aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities lies just beyond the horizon of diplomacy. With the crisis advancing and the moment of truth approaching, it is important to begin looking now with unflinching honesty at the military option. The costs will be terrible'.

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War Signals?

Reports circulate of a sharp debate within the White House over possible US military action against Iran and its nuclear enrichment facilities, The Nation has learned that the Bush Administration and the Pentagon have moved up the deployment of a major "strike group" of ships, including the nuclear aircraft carrier Eisenhower as well as a cruiser, destroyer, frigate, submarine escort and supply ship, to head for the Persian Gulf, just off Iran's western coast.

This information follows a report in the current issue of Time magazine, both online and in print, that a group of ships capable of mining harbors has received orders to be ready to sail for the Persian Gulf by October 1.

As Time writes in its cover story, "What Would War Look Like?," evidence of the forward deployment of minesweepers and word that the chief of naval operations had asked for a reworking of old plans for mining Iranian harbors "suggest that a much discussed--but until now largely theoretical--prospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran."

According to Lieut. Mike Kafka, a spokesman at the headquarters of the Second Fleet, based in Norfolk, Virginia, the Eisenhower Strike Group, bristling with Tomahawk cruise missiles, has received orders to depart the United States in a little over a week. Other official sources in the public affairs office of the Navy Department at the Pentagon confirm that this powerful armada is scheduled to arrive off the coast of Iran on or around October 21.

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The March to War: Iran Preparing for US Air Attacks
By Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya

Iran is bracing itself for an expected American-led air campaign. The latter is in the advanced stages of military planning.

If there were to be war between the United States and Iran, the aerial campaign would unleash fierce combat. It would be fully interactive on multiple fronts. It would be a difficult battle involving active movement in the air from both sides.

If war were to occur, the estimates of casualties envisaged by American and British war planners would be high.

The expected wave of aerial attacks would resemble the tactics of the Israeli air-war against Lebanon and would follow the same template, but on a larger scale of execution.

The U.S. government and the Pentagon had an active role in graphing, both militarily and politically, the template of confrontation in Lebanon. The Israeli siege against Lebanon is in many regards a dress rehearsal for a planned attack on Iran.

A war against Iran is one that could also include military operations against Syria. Multiple theatres would engulf many of the neighbors of Iran and Syria, including Iraq and Israel/Palestine.

It must also be noted that an attack on Iran would be of a scale which would dwarf the events in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Levant. A full blown war on Iran would not only swallow up and incorporate these other conflicts. It would engulf the entire Middle East and Central Asian region into an extensive confrontation.

An American-led air campaign against Iran, if it were to be implemented, would be both similar and contrasting in its outline and intensity when compared to earlier Anglo-American sponsored confrontations.

The war would start with intense bombardment and attacks on Iran's infrastructure, but would be different in its scope of operations and intensity.

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Expert: Tactical nukes needed to blast Iranian defenses
By RYAN NADEL

Tactical nuclear weapons would be required to penetrate the defenses Iran has constructed around its nuclear facilities, according to Col. (res.) Shlomo Mofaz, an international consultant on terrorism and intelligence and a research fellow at the Institute of Counterterrorism at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya.

Mofaz argued that any preemptive action - not necessarily launched by Israel - against Iran's nuclear facilities would need to employ tactical nuclear weapons.

"The Iranians have invested a lot of money to hide their weapons and infrastructure underground. The most sensitive items are below the surface," he said.

"American experts have said they are not sure that conventional weapons would be able to infiltrate these sites," he said. "Based on information from public sources, any attack should use tactical nuclear weapons."

As reported in Time magazine on Monday, a recent Pentagon report outlining US military options to the Iranian threat mentions the difficulty of locating all targets. It also states that Iran's reinforced facilities constitute a strategic challenge to any military action. The report suggests that repeated air strikes using laser and satellite guided missiles would be necessary.

Mofaz added that the Iranians have studied US and Israeli techniques for destroying infrastructure and weapons stores, and therefore have built these bunkers as a response.

As the UN Security Council begins the process of bringing potential sanctions against Iran to a vote, Mofaz stressed that the Iranian strategy in relation to the UN was one of foot-dragging, an attempt to buy time while the nuclear drive advances.

"The Iranian administration is gaining more time to push forward to finish its program," said Mofaz, adding that the sanction moves had come too late.

According to Mofaz, there are two essential aspects to an Israeli response to the threat from Iran: The need to deploy the Arrow antimissile system - which would be effective only if Teheran were to employ a small number of missiles, but not against larger volleys - and to develop a second-strike capability.

"Second-strike capabilities are based on the assumption that Israel has nuclear weapons," he noted, "something which has not been confirmed by the Israeli government."

Regarding a preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, Mofaz said that according to the principles of the IDF, as first set out by David Ben-Gurion, "Israel must have full capability to defend itself; there must be a program and plan to deal with the Iranian threat... The IDF needs to have the capability to eliminate this threat."

Mofaz warned, however, that both the appropriate timing for such a strike and whether the IDF was capable of destroying Iran's nuclear program were unknown.

"The difficulty of such a strike stems from the possibility that there are many unidentified nuclear development sites and the limited usefulness of conventional air strikes against nuclear facilities," he said.

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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. The invisible government tends to be concentrated in the hands of the few because of the expense of manipulating the social machinery which controls the opinions and habits of the masses. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes."

Edward Bernays, (assistant to William Paley CBS and nephew of Sigmund Freud) author Propaganda 1928

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 16:01 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Interessant, welke verborgen agenda dan?

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 17:36 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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"De evangelieschrijvers waren geen directe leerlingen van Jezus, maar stelden pas generaties na zijn dood hun verhalen samen. Regelmatig werd iets in de geschriften veranderd en aangepast aan de geloofsinzichten van latere tijd. De bijbel als 'het letterlijke woord van God'komt daarmee op losse schroeven te staan."

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 17:36 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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"De evangelieschrijvers waren geen directe leerlingen van Jezus, maar stelden pas generaties na zijn dood hun verhalen samen. Regelmatig werd iets in de geschriften veranderd en aangepast aan de geloofsinzichten van latere tijd. De bijbel als 'het letterlijke woord van God'komt daarmee op losse schroeven te staan."

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 17:52 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:

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Wat een onzin. Het was inderdaad niet direct na zijn dood opgeschreven. "Generaties na zijn dood" is een politiek gemotiveerde leugen.

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Op donderdag 28 september 2006 22:32 schreef Rock_de_Braziliaan het volgende:
Nee, jaren 80 muziek is echt gewoon bagger. Sorry kan er niks meer van maken.

Heeft niks met leeftijd te maken. Slechte kwaliteit is slechte kwaliteit.

Ik ben toch ook niet te jong om klassieke muziek te waarderen? Dan zou iedereen te jong zijn...

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Op donderdag 28 september 2006 22:59 schreef Finder_elf_towns het volgende:
Ondertussen in het Pentagon:
Suicide bombers follow Quran,concludes Pentagon briefing
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184

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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 11:52 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Op vrijdag 29 september 2006 16:50 schreef Yildiz het volgende:
Ja, atoombommen gooien om te voorkomen dat ze atoombommen gaan bouwen.

Een logica die je alleen maar kan bevatten met zwaar whiskey en coke gebruik.