[POL-SC 615] Wir wollen niemals kapitulieren-saget mal NEIN

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:29 schreef sizzler het volgende:
Bommel vind ik verrassend goed in dit debat. Hij tegen Bos gisteren ging eindelijk eens over de inhoud.

Verder is het natuurlijk te triest voor woorden dat de overheid "ons" geld gebruikt om een "voor" te propageren.

Alhoewel de aanplakborden angstvallig leeg blijven. De SP heeft er bijna twee weken alleen gehangen maar nu hangen het CDA en Marianne Thiemen ( ) er ook bij.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:29 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:

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Maar wel progressief liberaal.

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1. André Rouvoet (30 procent)
2. Harry van Bommel (22 procent)
3. Wouter Bos (18 procent)
4. Jozias van Aartsen (10 procent)
5. Maxime Verhagen (5 procent)
6. Gerard van As (3 procent)

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Wouter Bos (tegen)

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:33 schreef Monidique het volgende:
* Monidique is playing Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name (CDA@1408kbps, 0:46/5:14)

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:40 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:16 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Interessant

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:29 schreef sizzler het volgende:

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Bommel vind ik verrassend goed in dit debat. Hij tegen Bos gisteren ging eindelijk eens over de inhoud.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:29 schreef sizzler het volgende:
Verder is het natuurlijk te triest voor woorden dat de overheid "ons" geld gebruikt om een "voor" te propageren.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:25 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Ik denk tegen, hij's altijd zo tegendraads. Georgina zal wel voor zijn.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:40 schreef Johan_de_With het volgende:

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Tfoe.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:43 schreef du_ke het volgende:

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Hij is voor omdat hij niet met Wilders en consorten in een kamp gevonden wil worden .

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:32 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Het is dus een Hugknar, een interdimensionaal eenogig wezen dat door middel van bliksemstralen uit de elektrozapper op zijn hoofd op z'n vijanden schiet.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:44 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Vraag me af of Wilders nog JA-stemmen heeft gegenereerd... iig minder dan het kabinet NEE-stemmen heeft .

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Why Islam is disrespected

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | May 19, 2005

IT WAS front-page news this week when Newsweek retracted a report claiming that a US interrogator in Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. Everywhere it was noted that Newsweek's story had sparked widespread Muslim rioting, in which at least 17 people were killed. But there was no mention of deadly protests triggered in recent years by comparable acts of desecration against other religions.
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No one recalled, for example, that American Catholics lashed out in violent rampages in 1989, after photographer Andres Serrano's ''Piss Christ" -- a photograph of a crucifix submerged in urine -- was included in an exhibition subsidized by the National Endowment for the Arts. Or that they rioted in 1992 when singer Sinead O'Connor, appearing on ''Saturday Night Live," ripped up a photograph of Pope John Paul II.

There was no reminder that Jewish communities erupted in lethal violence in 2000, after Arabs demolished Joseph's Tomb, torching the ancient shrine and murdering a young rabbi who tried to save a Torah. And nobody noted that Buddhists went on a killing spree in 2001 in response to the destruction of two priceless, 1,500-year-old statues of Buddha by the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

Of course, there was a good reason all these bloody protests went unremembered in the coverage of the Newsweek affair: They never occurred.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?

The Muslim riots should have been met by outrage and condemnation. From every part of the civilized world should have come denunciations of those who would react to the supposed destruction of a book with brutal threats and the slaughter of 17 innocent people. But the chorus of condemnation was directed not at the killers and the fanatics who incited them, but at Newsweek.

From the White House down, the magazine was slammed -- for running an item it should have known might prove incendiary, for relying on a shaky source, for its animus toward the military and the war. Over and over, Newsweek was blamed for the riots' death toll. Conservative pundits in particular piled on. ''Newsweek lied, people died" was the headline on Michelle Malkin's popular website. At NationalReview.com, Paul Marshall of Freedom House fumed: ''What planet do these [Newsweek] people live on? . . . Anybody with a little knowledge could have told them it was likely that people would die as a result of the article." All of Marshall's choler was reserved for Newsweek; he had no criticism at all for the marauders in the Muslim street.

Then there was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who announced at a Senate hearing that she had a message for ''Muslims in America and throughout the world." And what was that message? That decent people do not resort to murder just because someone has offended their religious sensibilities? That the primitive bloodlust raging in Afghanistan and Pakistan was evidence of the Muslim world's dysfunctional political culture?

No: Her message was that ''disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States."

Granted, Rice spoke while the rioting was still taking place and her goal was to reduce the anti-American fever. But what ''Muslims in America and throughout the world" most need to hear is not pandering sweet-talk. What they need is a blunt reminder that the real desecration of Islam is not what some interrogator in Guantanamo might have done to the Koran. It is what totalitarian Muslim zealots have been doing to innocent human beings in the name of Islam. It is 9/11 and Beslan and Bali and Daniel Pearl and the USS Cole. It is trains in Madrid and schoolbuses in Israel and an ''insurgency" in Iraq that slaughters Muslims as they pray and vote and line up for work. It is Hamas and Al Qaeda and sermons filled with infidel-hatred and exhortations to ''martyrdom."

But what disgraces Islam above all is the vast majority of the planet's Muslims saying nothing and doing nothing about the jihadist cancer eating away at their religion. It is Free Muslims Against Terrorism, a pro-democracy organization, calling on Muslims and Middle Easterners to ''converge on our nation's capital for a rally against terrorism" -- and having only 50 people show up.

Yes, Islam is disrespected. That will only change when throngs of passionate Muslims show up for rallies against terrorism, and when rabble-rousers trying to gin up a riot over a defiled Koran can't get the time of day.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:41 schreef du_ke het volgende:
Ja 4,37 tegen 4,78% Ofwel ja het klopt niet helemaal maar of dat nou zo'n ramp is. Je moet ook b.v. Malta enige invloed geven en die hebben ou eenmaal maar weinig inwoners.

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Op dinsdag 31 mei 2005 17:47 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:
Ja, die moslims toch ook...