Oorlog in Oekra�ne #928 Moedig voorwaarts

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 14:30 schreef Perrin het volgende:
wtf Elon?!
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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 14:30 schreef Perrin het volgende:
wtf Elon?!
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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 17:08 schreef Ulx het volgende:
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Roulatie aan de top.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 17:08 schreef Ulx het volgende:
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Roulatie aan de top.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 17:50 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
Geen Budanov dus.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 11:41 schreef Elan het volgende:

Остання фаза наступу 2023: жорсткі бої 3 ОШБр на шляху до звільнення Андріївки

Bizar. Alsof je een potje Warzone zit te kijken.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:28 schreef Pleun2011 het volgende:

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Indringende film. Ik lees hier een beetje mee en zag laatst een paar enigszins laffe users verkondigen dat ze liever zouden vluchten dan in dienst te gaan, mochten de Russen aan de poort rammelen. Voor dat soort figuren past het woord 'faggots' wel. In het filmpje roepen de Oekrainers dit steeds naar de Russen.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:04 schreef Nebelwerfer het volgende:

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Deze keuze is ook veel logischer. Nu nog hopen dat het de juiste blijkt.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:55 schreef Perrin het volgende:
Die special ops teams hebben het maar druk achter de linies.
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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:28 schreef Pleun2011 het volgende:

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Indringende film. Ik lees hier een beetje mee en zag laatst een paar enigszins laffe users verkondigen dat ze liever zouden vluchten dan in dienst te gaan, mochten de Russen aan de poort rammelen. Voor dat soort figuren past het woord 'faggots' wel. In het filmpje roepen de Oekrainers dit steeds naar de Russen.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:51 schreef Elan het volgende:

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Ik vermoed dat Nederlanders zich ook niet meer zo goed kunnen identificeren met hun land. Om uiteenlopende redenen.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:20 schreef Joppiez het volgende:

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Komt denk ik omdat Nederland tegenwoordig een samengeraapte hoop van allerlei culturen en etniciteiten is zonder iets van een eenheid. Zomaar een gokje.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:21 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Ja vroeger tijdens de verzuiling, toen waren we pas een eenheid.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:55 schreef Perrin het volgende:
Die special ops teams hebben het maar druk achter de linies.
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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:21 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Ja vroeger tijdens de verzuiling, toen waren we pas een eenheid.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:23 schreef Joppiez het volgende:

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Het is er in ieder geval niet beter op geworden.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 18:55 schreef Perrin het volgende:
Die special ops teams hebben het maar druk achter de linies.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:20 schreef Joppiez het volgende:

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Komt denk ik omdat Nederland tegenwoordig een samengeraapte hoop van allerlei culturen en etniciteiten is zonder iets van een eenheid. Zomaar een gokje.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:28 schreef Perrin het volgende:

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:59 schreef Joppiez het volgende:

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Tja of gewoonweg niet willen sterven of gehandicapt worden door een domme oorlog. Je leeft maar 1 keer, dus als hier de pleuris uitbreekt pak ik ook de eerste de beste mogelijkheid naar Amerika/Canada/Australie enz

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Op zaterdag 3 februari 2024 10:44 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Hang de Russische vlag nog maar niet in top. Er zal best wat gedoe zijn achter de schermen, en dat Zelenskyy niet blij is geloof ik ook wel, maar Zalushny is niet ontslagen of tot vertrekken gedwongen.

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Ukraine's president has sacked the commander-in-chief of the country's armed forces, Valerii Zaluzhnyi.

It follows speculation about a rift between the president and Gen Zaluzhnyi, who has led Ukraine's war effort since the conflict began.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:40 schreef Ulx het volgende:
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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 01:40 schreef oheng het volgende:
Het lijkt erop dat Avdiivka verloren is als ik de geluiden uit die richting mag geloven. Al een tijd terug is de weerstand minimaal. Artillerie tekort is nijpend.

De stad wordt simpelweg aan puin geschoten. Met burgers en al.

Oja, hier zijn de gelekte russische bestanden. Zou ze nog doorlezen maar heb geen tijd. Shaheed drones blijken een factor 10 keer zo duur te zijn als werd aangenomen.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 20:20 schreef Delenlill het volgende:

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Betekend dit dat de hulp er nu gaat komen? En dat de republikeinen nu de grensgebeuren kunnen vergeten door hun eigen domme fout door het steeds weer afwijzen van de toezeggingen/de lat steeds hoger te leggen?

Dat ze nu dus om het congress heen gewerkt hebben?

Of betekend dit eigenlijk nog helemaal niks/iets heel anders?

Amerikaanse politiek is zo nu en dan een beetje verwarrend.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 20:42 schreef BlaZ het volgende:

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Dit gaat gewoon om de presidentsverkiezingen. Van republikeinse kant is het in stant houden van de grensproblematiek waarschijnlijk een methode om de verkiezingen in het voordeel van Trump te kunnen beslechten. Biden probeerde doormiddel van koehandel dit toch er door te krijgen.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 19:17 schreef Akkerdjie het volgende:

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Mja, het gros in Nederland zou niet meevechten. Jij waarschijnlijk ook niet als je de statistieken volgt. Het is ook een vrij rationele keuze in een land waar het leven niet ronduit kut is. Je hebt immers meestal wel wat geld hier om elders een leven op te bouwen. Als die niet-faggots die zijn gaan vechten toen de oorlog in Oekraine uitbrak zijn dood.

Lekker boeiend wat mensen van je vinden. Het zijn altijd de armen die de eer krijgen te mogen sneuvelen voor hun plaatselijke elite.

https://www.defensieplatf(...)en%20in%20Defensie).

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Senate advances $95 billion Ukraine, Israel funding bill, faces uphill battle as budget talks loom
• The Senate advanced a motion to begin debate on a $95 billion package to fund Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, which was a stripped-down version of the Senate’s failed $118 billion bill.
• The vote allows debate to begin on the aid package, days before their two-week recess and with only a few weeks until government shutdown deadlines in early March.
• Ukraine funding disagreements caused a near government shutdown in September and senators have been trying to negotiate a compromise in the months since.

Senators on Thursday advanced a foreign aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, garnering momentum for a funding package that has been a persistent thorn in the side of federal budget talks over the past few months.

By a final tally of 67-32, senators voted to begin debate on a $95 billion aid package to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and humanitarian aid in war-torn regions.

“This is a good first step,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. said on the Senate floor following the vote.

The bill still faces an uphill battle as senators now begin discussion on amendments with just a few days until they are supposed to break for two weeks.

If senators postpone talks for the two-week recess, the aid package will likely get sidelined as budget negotiations take the front seat, given looming government shutdown deadlines on March 1 and March 8.

The $95 billion bill was a stripped-down version of the Senate’s $118 billion bipartisan funding package, which was released on Sunday.

The initial, more expensive bill failed Wednesday in a 49-50 vote after days of Republican opposition to the border security provisions.

Anticipating that the first vote would fail, Schumer devised a plan to force a vote on the new $95 billion version of the bill, this time subtracting the disputed border security elements.

“For all those Republicans who first said, ‘We want it with border,’ and now say, ‘We want it without border,’ they got both options,” Schumer said Wednesday morning.

The success of Thursday’s vote is a hopeful next step for an issue that has been a point of paralysis for budget negotiations in the past.

Ukraine aid was the centerpiece of a particularly dramatic saga in September. House Republican hardliners tanked a budget deal in opposition to $6 billion of Ukraine aid. At the time, former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy agreed to remove the Ukraine funding and pass a short-term bill to keep the government running. Days later, McCarthy was ousted from his post.

Since then, Congress has continued to keep the government’s lights on with short-term, stopgap budget measures, called continuing resolutions, passed hastily at several different points over the past year to avoid government shutdowns.

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., has been adamant about his disdain for continuing resolutions.

“I think operating by CRs and shutting down the government is a dereliction of duty,” he said in December.

Still, deadlocked congressional disagreements have forced Johnson’s hand. In January, he helped pass yet another continuing resolution to avoid a government shutdown, which now expires in early March.

With roughly a month until that short-term budget dries up, passing the aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan could leave lawmakers with one less thing to fight over and help clear a path toward a long-term budget.

But Johnson’s hatred for CRs might not be enough to outweigh his desire to torpedo the Senate’s foreign aid bill. Even if senators can pass the $95 billion, border-less bill, House Republicans have not confirmed which way they will swing on it.

“The House will review the Senate’s product,” Speaker Johnson’s office said in a statement on Wednesday. “The Speaker believes the House should review each issue individually on its merits.”

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The UN commission has called on the Russian Federation to stop deporting Ukrainian children
The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child has demanded an immediate cessation of Russia's forced removal of children from Ukraine.

The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child has issued a damning indictment against Russia, urging an immediate cessation of the forced removal of children from Ukraine. Voice of America reports that the committee's latest findings underscore a dire situation requiring urgent attention.

Russia Urged to Cease Forced Export of Children from Ukraine
In a sternly worded report, experts from the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child have called on Russia to halt its practice of forcibly exporting or deporting children from the occupied territories of Ukraine. The report demands transparency from the Russian Federation, insisting on the disclosure of the exact number of children taken from Ukraine and the swift facilitation of their return home.

The committee's findings highlight Russia's violation of the Convention on the Rights of the Child by stripping deported children of their Ukrainian citizenship. This action underscores a blatant disregard for international law and human rights standards.

Bragi Gudbrandson, a member of the UN Human Rights Committee, expressed grave concerns over reports of sexual exploitation and gender-based violence in Ukraine, Crimea, and Sevastopol, areas currently under Russian occupation. The committee emphasizes the urgent need for intervention to address these egregious violations of children's rights.

Allegations of War Crimes
Gudbrandson highlighted accusations of war crimes directed at the Russian Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights, raising serious doubts about Russia's commitment to upholding international norms and protecting children in conflict zones.

The committee underscored the importance of protecting children from all forms of violence, including abuse and neglect. Urgent measures are needed to ensure that children are provided with appropriate support and intervention to prevent further victimization.

The UN expressed deep concern over the politicization and militarization of schools, emphasizing the need for education systems to promote values of peace, tolerance, and mutual understanding. Attempts to rewrite school curricula to serve military-political agendas are condemned as detrimental to the well-being of children.

Violation of Children's Rights in Ukraine
During discussions on Ukraine, the Russian Federation faced severe criticism for violating children's rights, including the killing and injury of hundreds of children due to indiscriminate attacks. The forced displacement and deportation of children from Ukraine were also condemned as grave violations of human rights.

The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child emphasized the importance of ensuring access to education for all children, including those belonging to ethnic groups and indigenous communities in Crimea. Education in the Ukrainian language must be made available to promote cultural diversity and inclusion.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 21:12 schreef sp3c het volgende:
@:achja

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ANALYSIS: Use of Another Putin ‘Wonder Weapon’ – Sign of Russian Determination or Desperation?
The 40 plus strong missile attack on Ukraine on Wednesday probably saw the first appearance of the “Tsirkon” hypersonic missile that Putin has been “promising” to use for over a year.

Among the debris found following the Feb. 7 Russian missile attack on Ukraine, was what appears to be the remnants of a 3M22 Tsirkon (or Zircon) hypersonic missile which was one of Moscow’s “wonder weapons” first revealed in March 2018.

The 3M22 was not included in the official breakdown of missiles shot down during Wednesday’s attack given by Ukrainian Air Force’s, which only mentioned Kh-555/101 and Kalibr cruise and Shahed drones. However, earlier in the morning, they had warned of the approach of a “high-velocity missile” towards Kyiv.

Military commentators feel that, as the wreckage was found adjacent to powerlines in the Dniprovsky district of Kyiv, this was an unlikely target for a multi-million-dollar missile, making it probable that it was indeed shot down by Ukrainian air defense.

The Monitor Telegram channel first drew attention to the missile as being “something different” and said had been fired from a land-based launcher in occupied Crimea.

They described the missile as flying on an “atypical trajectory,” different, but similar, to that previously witnessed when Onyx and Kinzhal missiles were fired on Ukraine.

While markings on the missile wreckage indicated that it was indeed from a Tsirkon, they seem to be hand written which, along with the fact it did not reach hypervelocity during flight, casts some doubt on its identification. It is possible that this was a “prototype” and another example of Russia deploying a “test sample” to see how it would perform.

Russia’s armed forces test-fired the Tzirkon in public for the first time in December 2022, after which Putin announced that from the following January Russian ships, specifically the newly-commissioned Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine, would be armed with the weapon.

Tzirkon was slated to replace the P-700 Granit and P-800 Oniks anti-ship missiles using the universal UKSK 3S14 missile launcher, in a move the Kremlin described as making Moscow's international security guarantees “more convincing.”

Little is really known about the Tzirkon other than the few details Russia has let slip and its designation as a hypervelocity is based purely on those. It has not been seen to achieve such speed either during its earlier testing or on this operational deployment.

So far, the exact tactical and technical characteristics of the product have not been officially reported with publicly released specifications changing over time.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense announced it had been accepted into service in June 2022 and mass production would start immediately. At the time they mentioned it would have a 300-kilogram warhead, a range of 400 kilometers and a flight speed of Mach 6 (Mach 5 being the usually recognized hypervelocity threshold).

During his December 2022 announcement, however, Putin claimed a range of 1,000 kilometers at a speed of Mach 9.

As neither of the naval vessels known to carry the missile have access to the Black Sea, because of Turkish-imposed constraints, and Monitor’s suggestion the missile was fired from land in the Crimean Peninsula there are questions concerning the platform used to launch the Tsirkon (if that is what it was).

The most likely candidate seems to be the K-300 Bastion coastal defense system which had earlier been adapted to fire the Oniks anti-ship missiles for attacks on residential areas, infrastructure, grain storage and handling facilities in Odesa.

While, if the wreckage recovered in Kyiv is from a Tsirkon, it would suggest that it is likely to be as vulnerable to Ukraine’s more capable air defense systems such as Patriot as the KH72 Kinzhal has been.

The greater threat is, however, because unlike the “early warning” that take-off of the MIG-31Ks which carry the Kinzhals gives a land-based system can be launched without prior warning.

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NYT: American officials confirm Patriot missile shot down Il-76 plane
The American-made Patriot missile system is likely responsible for the Russian Il-76 plane crash, American officials anonymously told The New York Times. The plane was also likely carrying at least some Ukrainian prisoners, officials reported.

Russia's Il-76 military transport plane crashed in the country's Belgorod region on Jan. 24, allegedly killing everyone on board.

The cause of the crash is unclear, with Russia claiming that Ukraine's military shot the plane down as it carried 65 Ukrainian POWs. Kyiv has demanded an international probe into the incident.

Ukraine's military intelligence agency did not confirm whether prisoners were on the plane nor have they commented on what might have caused the crash.

Ukrainian officials did reveal that a prisoner exchange had been planned for that day.

Ukrainian military sources told Ukrainska Pravda that the plane was carrying S-300 missiles, regularly used by Russia to strike Kharkiv Oblast.

The Patriot air defense system is a crucial component in protecting Ukrainian air space from Russian missile attacks.

Although American officials have been unable to confirm who was on the plane, sources told the NYT that it appeared probable that at least some of the passengers were Ukrainian prisoners.

The New York Times reported that American officials would not comment on what brought down the plane publicly. According to the news outlet officials who spoke privately on the condition of anonymity said that it was in fact the Patriot missiles.

After Russia claimed that 65 Ukrainian POWs were killed in the crash, Ukraine requested that Russia return the bodies of the killed POWs home.

Russia's government never responded to the appeal. Russia also reportedly blocked the International Committee of Red Cross from investigating the circumstances of the crash.

Officials report that Ukraine likely acted on weak intelligence as the plane was previously used to transport missiles, making it a valuable target for Ukraine's military.

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Russia may be trying to build 10,000 attack drones a year for use in Ukraine
A purported cache of stolen Iranian documents also suggests Moscow is paying a lot more than expected.

Is Russia aiming to build 10,000 Shahed-136 loitering munitions a year?

Plans for massive domestic production of the 200-kg, 2,500-km Iranian-designed suicide drones—and the high price Moscow is paying for them—are just two of the purported revelations of files that an Iranian hacking group says it stole from a company controlled by Tehran’s leading paramilitary arm.

On Feb. 4, the Prana hacking group released thousands of emails and multiple documents that it claimed to have purloined from Sahara Thunder, which it calls a front company for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Defense One could not confirm the authenticity of the documents.

Much of the metadata of the files had been deleted, making it difficult to determine whether the files were authentic, said Ruslan Trad, a resident fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab.

One of the documents, dated “November 2022,” describes a trip to Iran earlier that year by employees of Alabuga, a state-owned company that manages a large industrial park in Russia. In August 2023, the Washington Post reported, citing its own leaked documents, that Alabuga was central to a plan to build 6,000 Shahed-136s.

The file posted by Prana said Russia had agreed to buy the technology and components to assemble 6,000 “Dolphin 632 boats.” It also said Russia would produce up to 10,000 a year once it had received all the relevant technology.

But numerous details in the Prana files suggest that these “boats” are in fact UAVs. The “November 2022” document, for example, lists such components as “avionics,” jet-assisted take-off, and a Nassir-2 anti-jamming system.

A separate, Alabuga-branded slideshow titled “Factory Production,” describes the “boat” as including a fuselage and elevons. Their construction requires specialists in “REB,” a Russian acronym referring to electromagnetic warfare.

Other documents, by contrast, seemed to go into exhaustive detail to try to hide that the boat is a drone, with one production schedule listing various boat-related parts.

It is unclear whether the “Dolphin 636” is the Shahed-136, although other documents in the Prana dump explicitly discuss the drone’s technical characteristics. One Alabuga-branded slideshow, "motor boat production technology,” offers multiple images of the propeller-driven aircraft.

And if the drone is in fact the Shahed-136, the documents suggest that Moscow has paid a heftier-than-expected price for the weapon, which it has used in large numbers during its invasion of Ukraine.

Iran initially wanted to charge Moscow a licensing and component fee of $375,000 to assemble each Shahed-136 in Russia, which negotiated that down to $193,000 apiece for 6,000 drones, according to the “November 2022” document.

That price is six times the previously estimated cost of the drone, which is made from low-cost components and carries a 40-kilogram warhead.

Many of the components can be acquired locally, with around 10 percent of components coming from abroad, according to the document.

Russia is also seeking to license-produce several other types of Iranian drones, according to a document titled “April 2023.” These include two variants of a “236” drone—one turbo-powered, and one piston-powered with a “seeker”—and type “107” reconnaissance and strike drones.

The 107 is presumably the Shahed-107 drone, while the 236 is likely in the same product family as the jet-powered Shahed-238.

The prices for the 236 seeker variant is given as $900,000, $1.4 million for the 236 turbo-jet, and $460,000 for the 107 drone, according to the document. The price of the 236 turbo-jet makes it more expensive than the estimated cost of Russia’s Kalibr cruise missile.

The document also said the delivery schedule would depend on its “partner’s” production capabilities. For each category of drone, deliveries would be between ten and 100 per month for the next six months, but eventually ramp up to hundred per month, for a total of 2,130 of the 236 seekers, 677 of the 236 jet-powered drones, and 3,360 of the type 107 drones.

The Shahed-136 reportedly has a range of 1,500 miles, but its top speed is just over 100 miles an hour, making it an easy target for Ukrainian air defenses. In one attack in November, officials claim to have destroyed 74 of 75 incoming drones. Russia has occasionally been successful in using the drone against Ukraine’s infrastructure, including one attack that knocked out Odesa’s electrical system.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 21:11 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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imo een beetje een flutonderzoekje wmb, oorlog is zo ver weg voor Nederland en Nederlanders, je hebt geen idee hoe je reageert als je moedertje beschoten wordt en je basisschool platgebombardeerd is

net zoiets als vragen of je op het water zou staan als het keihard is geworden

in de Sahelregio zeggen ze fuck no, waarom zou het water keihard zijn geworden?

in Nederland zeggen we IT ... GIET .... OAN!!!!!!

BIETCHES!

geschiedenis leert ons dat de Nederlander komt vechten als het moet

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Experienced Ukrainian pilot killed in action

Vladislav Rykov, a highly experienced Ukrainian Air Force pilot, was killed in action on Feb. 7, the 299th Tactical Aviation Brigade reported on social media.

Rykov "had 385 sorties under his belt — he was the best pilot and commander I knew," fellow Air Force pilot Rostyslav Lazarenko posted on Facebook. "My heart was ripped out yesterday."

No further details about Rykov's death were provided.

A month earlier, Vladyslav Zalistovskyi, a 23-year-old MiG-29 pilot known by the call sign "Blue Helmet," was also killed during a combat mission.

He was known through his Instagram channel named Blue Helmet, where Zalistovskyi published videos of his flights. The account has amassed over 3,000 followers.

In another incident from last August, three Ukrainian pilots, including well-known aviator Andrii Pilshchykov with the call sign "Juice," died in a mid-air collision between two training jets.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 20:37 schreef BlaZ het volgende:

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Het is ook de vraag wat de invloed van Sirski hier gaat zijn. Dat is toch zover ik kan lezen een minder voorzichtige commandant dan Zaluzjni. Hij zal toch niet direct Avdiivka willen verliezen lijkt me gezien zijn geschiedenis in Bagmoet.
Ik zie buiten dit stukje van R�pke wel redelijk wat negatieve reacties op het ontslag van Zaluzjni, maar goed we gaan het zien.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1755640285575450880

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 21:56 schreef oheng het volgende:

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Ja, geen idee wat het effect zal wezen. Ik weet wel dat het verlies van Bakhmut best wel goed heeft uitgepakt voor Oekraine. Immers, daardoor is Wagner onthoofd en uitgeschakeld (onderdeel van Rosgvardia, volgens de huidige Wagner commandant). Interne stabiliteit van rusland is in gevaar gekomen, en volgens Prigozhin zijn er 20.000 russen omgekomen in Bakhmut.

Ik heb ook niet het idee dat er nog veel Oekrainsche troepen nog in Avdiivka zijn.

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EU debunks viral claims it is considering sanctions on Tucker Carlson over his interview with Putin
The European Union has refuted reports that it is considering sanctions on American polemist Tucker Carlson for his controversial interview with Vladimir Putin, recorded during his trip to Moscow.

On Wednesday, a flurry of conservative commentators falsely claimed the bloc was mulling slapping a travel ban on Carlson, a former Fox News anchor, after the Kremlin confirmed his sit-down with the Russian president had taken place. It marks Putin's first interview with a Western reporter since he launched the all-out war on Ukraine.

The claim was initially reported by the American magazine Newsweek, based on comments made by a current and former Member of the European Parliament (MEP) who called on member states to consider sanctions on Carlson for acting as a "mouthpiece" and "propagandist" for Putin's regime.

The remarks of the two lawmakers, who have no competence to propose or approve sanctions, were mistakenly associated with formal EU plans to target Carlson with restrictive measures, and amplified by X owner Elon Musk, who described the allegations as "disturbing" and a move that would "greatly offend the American public." Musk's post garnered over 25 million views.

On Thursday, Peter Stano, the European Commission's spokesperson for foreign affairs and security policy, shut down the rampant speculation. "Currently there are no discussions in the relevant EU bodies linked to this specific person (...) the American person who is in Moscow," he said.

But Stano underlined that the bloc is able to blacklist "propagandists" who have "a continued track record" of information manipulation aimed at undermining the "sovereignty and the territorial integrity of Ukraine."

The confusion was sparked by the comments of Belgian MEP Guy Verhofstadt and former Spanish MEP Luis Garicano, both of the liberal Renew Europe group.

Verhofstadt said earlier this week on social media platform X that if Carlson "enables disinformation for Putin," the EU should "explore" a travel ban.

Responding to Elon Musk’s remarks that EU measures against Carlson would "offend" the US public, Verhofstadt shared a photo of Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich behind bars in Moscow, saying "this is what a real journalist in Russia looks like."

"That should greatly offend the American people!" Verhofstadt said.

Musk's platform X, formerly known as Twitter, is under the EU's legal scrutiny for infringements of its digital rulebook, the Digital Services Act, relating to the spread of disinformation and illegal content.

No fact-checking community notes have been added to Newsweek's original story.

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Op donderdag 8 februari 2024 21:11 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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imo een beetje een flutonderzoekje wmb, oorlog is zo ver weg voor Nederland en Nederlanders, je hebt geen idee hoe je reageert als je moedertje beschoten wordt en je basisschool platgebombardeerd is

net zoiets als vragen of je op het water zou staan als het keihard is geworden

in de Sahelregio zeggen ze fuck no, waarom zou het water keihard zijn geworden?

in Nederland zeggen we IT ... GIET .... OAN!!!!!!

BIETCHES!

geschiedenis leert ons dat de Nederlander komt vechten als het moet