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  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 17:04:30 #1
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you aint no punk you punk
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President:
Donald Trump

Vice President:
Mike Pence
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Republican (53)
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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 17:08:37 #2
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Het lijkt me dat je als ambtenaar geen bevelen mag opvolgen van iemand die geen opdrachten mag geven. Als Wolf en Cucinelli nu weer de opdracht geven aan een douaneknokploeg om vrouwen en veteranen in elkaar te slaan ben je denk ik wel in overtreding als je dat doet.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 17:09:24 #3
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
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Ja, of Biden. De man die bijna eigenhandig verantwoordelijk was voor wetgeving waardoor tussen 1990 en 2000 het aantal, voornamelijk gekleurde, gevangenen verdubbelde.

Trump draaide dit terug.
Wat betekent bijna eigenhandig verantwoordelijk voor wetgeving?
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
  vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 17:28:59 #4
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Another day another slay
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Wat betekent bijna eigenhandig verantwoordelijk voor wetgeving?
Helemaal niet.
They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
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Wat betekent bijna eigenhandig verantwoordelijk voor wetgeving?
En sinds wanneer kan Trump wetgeving terugdraaien, eigenlijk?
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Helemaal niet.
https://blackagendareport(...)estroyed-black-lives

Dit is zeker ook niet waar?
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Helemaal niet.
Onderhondje is zoals de Jeugd van Tegenwoordig zou zeggen "een sjembek dat zeurt, maar hij weet niet watskeburt".

Een senator is nooit eigenhandig ergens verantwoordelijk voor, want die kan hooguit wetgeving aandragen waar zowel huis als senaat goedkeuring voor moeten geven. De betreffende wet uit de jaren '90 was vooral een stokpaardje van Clinton, hoewel Biden de versie in de senaat heeft opgesteld.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 18:20:05 #8
8369 speknek
Another day another slay
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Ja de OvJ van de staat is inderdaad al wat meer persoonlijk verantwoordelijk. Niet voor wetgeving, maar wel voor de uitvoering.
They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
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Veel officials namen ontslag zonder uitleg. Kyle Murphy (DIA senior analyst) wil zijn ei wél kwijt in een op-ed:

I Resigned from U.S. Government After My Own Leaders Began to Act Like the Autocrats I Analyzed
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I recently resigned as a senior analyst with the Defense Intelligence Agency after experiencing firsthand the actions of U.S. government leaders to suppress nonviolent dissent during the recent nationwide protests for racial justice. I was among the thousands of peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters tear-gassed in Lafayette Square and nearly knocked to the ground by the downdraft from a military helicopter hovering over Pennsylvania Avenue. In the course of my work, I have watched autocratic leaders around the world employ similar tactics, actions that often precede broader uses of violence against domestic opposition. Unidentified federal forces in cities across the United States committing abuses against demonstrators is an evolution in the Trump administration’s authoritarian approach to dissent, not an anomaly.

I left government service after more than a decade because I lost faith in the courage of the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to refuse unlawful orders from the President. They effectively labeled me and other Americans expressing our views in a peaceful assembly as enemies. They authorized troops to use overwhelming force and set a dangerous precedent by enabling the president to ignore state and local officials’ objections and deploy federal forces in response to popular protests. While the military is, thankfully, out of the spotlight for now, the president has turned to other eager allies — in the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice — who believe their components of the federal government can clamp down on dissent with a veneer of legality.

I have seen up close the president’s disdain for democratic values, and recent events should be put in the context of a continuous slide toward authoritarianism. In 2015, I was detailed to the White House as an apolitical civil servant on the National Security Council (NSC) staff. My term was set to conclude in January 2017, but I agreed to extend for two months at the request of NSC leaders to support an orderly transition between administrations. I briefed President Donald Trump before several introductory calls to foreign heads of state, and as is customary, I listened in and prepared the official transcripts. I was appalled by the ways he actively undermined the democratic principles we have long aspired to model and to advance globally.

In my years analyzing foreign political and military decision-making for senior policymakers, part of my job was to observe whether foreign governments protected their national security services from politicization and whether they committed abuses against their own populations. These are critical measures of the health of a democracy, and failures not only disqualify countries from U.S. partnership but also can be a warning sign that a country may play a destabilizing role in the world. Our laws enshrine a fundamental belief that a nation’s security forces should defend, not undermine, the core principles of democracy, and that they are not a leader’s personal tool to silence critics and retain power. Respect for this principle is one of the starkest lines dividing democratic and authoritarian leaders, and I see grave similarities between events in our country and the processes by which autocratic leaders have brought their countries to the brink of civil conflict and beyond.

Each day, Trump’s approach looks more like the autocrats I warned about as an analyst. I am alarmed by the decision to send federal forces to Portland and additional cities, over local objections, as well as the abusive approach of those forces to protesters in operations well beyond their normal jurisdiction. The use of intelligence elements to monitor citizens engaging in constitutionally-protected activity is deeply disturbing and strikingly similar to illegal domestic spying that prompted the Church Committee in 1975 and resulted in our modern intelligence oversight structure. Set against the backdrop of the dereliction and callous disregard for the more than 160,000 Americans who have died from COVID-19, I fear the president and his allies may choose further escalation in an attempt to avoid the personal consequences of defeat in November.

I saw several patterns repeated in the behavior of foreign leaders who lacked majority support and refused to respect their constitutions and constituents. They ignored or manipulated facts, rejected legitimate criticism, sought to disenfranchise opposition voters, invited foreign interference, and planted seeds of doubt about their own institutions and electoral processes. They also identified security elements willing to spy on their own citizens and to use force to put down protests calling for the leader to step down. Sadly, the similarities to current events in the United States are striking.

But some of the same situations I watched overseas give me reasons to be hopeful. I have seen several authoritarian leaders attempt but ultimately fail to subdue populations deeply committed to advancing democratic values – including Yahya Jammeh in The Gambia and Blaise Compaore in Burkina Faso. In these cases, massive turnout for elections and non-violent protest as part of disciplined and enduring social movements were vital to resetting the course of countries on our current trajectory.

These basic acts of civic participation, undertaken by millions, help rebuild the foundations of democracy and bolster governing institutions against efforts to tear them apart. It is up to all of us to ensure historic and safe participation in this election, and to be prepared to peacefully reject any efforts to subvert the will of the people.
Interview met hem bij Rachel Maddow:

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Kevin Clinesmith gaat schuldig pleiten wegens het knoeien met een email mbt Carter Page:

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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En sinds wanneer kan Trump wetgeving terugdraaien, eigenlijk?
Executive order, sinds Obama.
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Onderhondje is zoals de Jeugd van Tegenwoordig zou zeggen "een sjembek dat zeurt, maar hij weet niet watskeburt".

Een senator is nooit eigenhandig ergens verantwoordelijk voor, want die kan hooguit wetgeving aandragen waar zowel huis als senaat goedkeuring voor moeten geven. De betreffende wet uit de jaren '90 was vooral een stokpaardje van Clinton, hoewel Biden de versie in de senaat heeft opgesteld.
Hetzelfde als wat ik zeg, maar dan met heel veel woorden.
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 19:56:39 #13
862 Arcee
Look closer
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Kortom, hij had het gehoord en had eigenlijk geen idee.
Zie hier het presidentschap van Trump in 1 zin samengevat.
Never in the entire history of calming down did anyone ever calm down after being told to calm down.
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Executive order, sinds Obama.
Lulkoek. Verder heeft Trump geen enkele EO uitgevaardigd die de wet waar jij het over hebt buiten werking stelt.
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Lulkoek. Verder heeft Trump geen enkele EO uitgevaardigd die de wet waar jij het over hebt buiten werking stelt.
https://www.vox.com/polic(...)-crime-police-orders
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Daar staat niet wat jij zegt. Een executive order kan geen door congress aangenomen wet overrulen, dus zelfs al had hij dat gedaan, dan was het ongeldig.
“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”― George Carlin
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Dat heeft totaal niets met de wet waar jij het over had te maken.
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@Kijkertje ...wat een verhaal.
“Veel officials namen ontslag zonder uitleg. Kyle Murphy (DIA senior analyst) wil zijn ei wél kwijt in een op-ed:“
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Dat heeft totaal niets met de wet waar jij het over had te maken.
Jawel. De 1994 crime bill.
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@:Kijkertje ...wat een verhaal.
“Veel officials namen ontslag zonder uitleg. Kyle Murphy (DIA senior analyst) wil zijn ei wél kwijt in een op-ed:“
Ik weet niet of je de rest ook gezien hebt? Dit is de intro er naartoe over het afglijden naar een autoritair systeem:

“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Hetzelfde als wat ik zeg, maar dan met heel veel woorden.
Je snapt er geen zak van, maar dat is feitelijk de samenvatting van je gehele oeuvre hier.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Je snapt er geen zak van, maar dat is feitelijk de samenvatting van je gehele oeuvre hier.
Jij bent vooral erg agressief. Jammer, die vijandelijke, onbeschaafde houding.
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Democratie wordt afgevoerd.🇺🇸

Rachel Maddow kan ik nu niet luisteren/ kijken. Wordt morgen.
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Dan kunnen dezelfde trucks - die mailboxes en sorteermachines vervoeren, toch de mail vervoeren?
Ergens - op twitter - las ik, dat Nixon de military inschakelde om het voten te bewaken, te regelen.
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Democratie wordt afgevoerd.🇺🇸

Rachel Maddow kan ik nu niet luisteren/ kijken. Wordt morgen.
Schande.
zie email 27 oktober
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Schande.
Zelfs al was ik het qua beleid helemaal eens met de republikeinen, was dit diskwalificerend om voor ze te stemmen. Ongelofelijk.
“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”― George Carlin
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Jij bent vooral erg agressief. Jammer, die vijandelijke, onbeschaafde houding.
Inhoudelijk is hij ook superieur, en mag je een beetje agressief en arrogant zijn tov mensen die er inhoudelijk weinig kaas van te lijken hebben gegeten. Ik zie Monolith regelmatig anderen terechtwijzen die verder op één lijn zitten omdat ie gewoon een hekel heeft aan onzin. Als ie jou hard aanpakt moet je misschien eens over je inhoudelijke kennis na gaan denken ipv de semantiek bediscussieren.
beter een knipoog dan een blauw oog
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Zelfs al was ik het qua beleid helemaal eens met de republikeinen, was dit diskwalificerend om voor ze te stemmen. Ongelofelijk.
Je ziet het eigenlijk in alle lagen van die partij terug: Ze hoeven het niet meer stiekem te doen, want niemand kan ze iets maken.
beter een knipoog dan een blauw oog
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Voor degenen, die niet alles op twitter ( kunnen) volgen...

Zou Lincoln project het filmpje kunnen plaatsen op fox? en in swing states, als die er nog zijn.
Het heeft langzamerhand toch geen zin meer: die hard reps veranderen toch niet meer van mening.
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Voor degenen, die niet alles op twitter ( kunnen) volgen...

Zou Lincoln project het filmpje kunnen plaatsen op fox? en in swing states, als die er nog zijn.
Het heeft langzamerhand toch geen zin meer: die hard reps veranderen toch niet meer van mening.
De nieuwe ad van de veteranen:

“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Aan de ene kant is het aanvallen van Biden op zijn mooie woorden ter verdediging van die crime bill iets wat je best kunt doen, doen/deden Bernie en Warren supporters ook al tijdenlang. Aan de andere kant laat je dan een blinde vlek zien voor het showmanship dat nu eenmaal inherent is aan de politieke poppenkast die in de VS (heftiger dan in Nederland) al gaande is sinds de Derde Weg van 'links'.

Destijds was het voor Biden gewoon een carrièremove, zoals in Nederland tweedekamer-leden zich weleens hogerop proberen te werken bij hun eigen partij op deze wijze.

Maar om dan vervolgens te beweren dat Trump die hele zaak ongedaan heeft gemaakt in minder dan één termijn is natuurlijk van een andere orde. De orde der dommen of de orde der demagogen. Kies zelf maar.
What Would Goku Do
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Aan de ene kant is het aanvallen van Biden op zijn mooie woorden ter verdediging van die crime bill iets wat je best kunt doen, doen/deden Bernie en Warren supporters ook al tijdenlang. Aan de andere kant laat je dan een blinde vlek zien voor het showmanship dat nu eenmaal inherent is aan de politieke poppenkast die in de VS (heftiger dan in Nederland) al gaande is sinds de Derde Weg van 'links'.

Destijds was het voor Biden gewoon een carrièremove, zoals in Nederland tweedekamer-leden zich weleens hogerop proberen te werken bij hun eigen partij op deze wijze.

Maar om dan vervolgens te beweren dat Trump die hele zaak ongedaan heeft gemaakt in minder dan één termijn is natuurlijk van een andere orde. De orde der dommen of de orde der demagogen. Kies zelf maar.
Neu, het slaat ook helemaal nergens op. Kijk Trump laat ook precies zien waar hij voor staat in deze tijd met veel demonstraties. Wat Trump betreft worden vreedzame demonstraties gewoon beëindigd met traangas en gummiknuppels. Die man wil niets liever dan "Mr. Law & order" zijn. Dan kun je natuurlijk heel moeilijk je tegenstanders law & order beleid uit hun verre verleden gaan aanwrijven.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Oh volledig te zijn:.
hier is de link tussen Nixon en Operation Graphic Hand: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._postal_strike_of_1970
  Moderator vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 23:32:39 #34
1212 crew  Mike
Excellent!
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Vandaag heeft het onderzoek van John Durham naar fouten bij het Ruslandonderzoek naar Trump een eerste resultaat opgeleverd. Kevin Clinesmith, een ex-FBI agent, gaat schuldig pleiten aan het aanpassen van een e-mail:
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Former FBI lawyer set to plead guilty to altering email during Russia investigation

(CNN)An FBI lawyer who worked on the surveillance warrant of former Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page plans to plead guilty Friday to making a false statement in an email as part of an investigation into the Russia investigation.

Kevin Clinesmith plans to admit to one charge of altering an email to another official in 2017 that said Page wasn't a previous government source, when he had been one.
Clinesmith had also been critical of President Donald Trump when he worked for the FBI.

Friday's charge represents the first public production from the highly anticipated Durham investigation and will likely provide political fodder for Trump amid a storm of negative headlines regarding his management of the coronavirus pandemic.
bron: https://edition.cnn.com/2(...)linesmith/index.html
In some matters there's no reality, only perception. Truth exists, but people have a vested interest in not knowing it.
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Vandaag heeft het onderzoek van John Durham naar fouten bij het Ruslandonderzoek naar Trump een eerste resultaat opgeleverd. Kevin Clinesmith, een ex-FBI agent, gaat schuldig pleiten aan het aanpassen van een e-mail:
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bron: https://edition.cnn.com/2(...)linesmith/index.html
Van deze meneer was toch al maanden geleden bekend dat hij dit gedaan had?
“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”― George Carlin
  Moderator vrijdag 14 augustus 2020 @ 23:37:16 #36
1212 crew  Mike
Excellent!
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Van deze meneer was toch al maanden geleden bekend dat hij dit gedaan had?
Ik kende hem nog niet, maar blijkbaar is nu alles pas rond voor een veroordeling.
In some matters there's no reality, only perception. Truth exists, but people have a vested interest in not knowing it.
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Neu, het slaat ook helemaal nergens op. Kijk Trump laat ook precies zien waar hij voor staat in deze tijd met veel demonstraties. Wat Trump betreft worden vreedzame demonstraties gewoon beëindigd met traangas en gummiknuppels. Die man wil niets liever dan "Mr. Law & order" zijn. Dan kun je natuurlijk heel moeilijk je tegenstanders law & order beleid uit hun verre verleden gaan aanwrijven.
Daar begint het eigenlijk al bij inderdaad. Ik deed een poging hersenkronkels van Trumpers te ontleden maar dat is een pad wat je niet te ver moet bewandelen natuurlijk.
What Would Goku Do
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Ik kende hem nog niet, maar blijkbaar is nu alles pas rond voor een veroordeling.
Het was al lang rond. Zoals ik het begrepen heb willen ze de resultaten van het rapport bewaren tot vlak voor de verkiezingen om de welbekende reden: invloed op de verkiezing uitoefenen. Maar aangezien Trump nogal ongeduldig is en veroordelingen wil zien om mee te pronken hebben ze dit nu toch maar bekend gemaakt.
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Ik kende hem nog niet, maar blijkbaar is nu alles pas rond voor een veroordeling.
Even gezocht, en inderdaad, deze meneer was ook al naar voren gekomen in het onderzoek van de inspector general:

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Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts (NYTimes)

A watchdog report will portray the pursuit of a wiretap of an ex-Trump adviser as sloppy, but it also debunks some accusations by Trump allies of F.B.I. wrongdoing.

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Investigators for the inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, uncovered errors and omissions in documents related to the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page — including that a low-level lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email that officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretap, the people said.

Mr. Horowitz referred his findings about Mr. Clinesmith to prosecutors for a potential criminal charge. Mr. Clinesmith left the Russia investigation in February 2018 after the inspector general identified him as one of a handful of F.B.I. officials who expressed animus toward Mr. Trump in text messages and resigned about two months ago, after the inspector general’s team interviewed him.

Though Mr. Trump’s allies have seized on the messages from Mr. Clinesmith and his colleagues as proof of anti-Trump bias, Mr. Clinesmith has not been a prominent figure in the partisan firefight over the investigation. His lawyer declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for Mr. Horowitz.

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“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”― George Carlin
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Het doet overigens niets af aan de legitimiteit van het Rusland-onderzoek en dat is wat Trump steeds suggereert.
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Als ze hun mond moeten houden zal er wel iets niet in de haak zijn ...
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Dat Clinesmith de bak in zal gaan was al duidelijk na het Horowitz rapport. Hopelijk volgen er meer.

Blijkbaar heeft hij een plea deal gesloten nu, zal hij er nog een paar bij naaien ?

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Dat Clinesmith de bak in zal gaan was al duidelijk na het Horowitz rapport. Hopelijk volgen er meer.

Blijkbaar heeft hij een plea deal gesloten nu, zal hij er nog een paar bij naaien ?
Vrij selectieve blik op gerechtigheid heb je, met het voorstaan van een bijna-pardon voor Stone en anti-rechtstatelijke interventie van Barr bij Flynn.

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“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”― George Carlin
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Vrij selectieve blik op gerechtigheid heb je, met het voorstaan van een bijna-pardon voor Stone en anti-rechtstatelijke interventie van Barr bij Flynn.
Om nog maar niet te spreken van alle onderzoeken naar Trump die Barr blokkeert omdat dat de verkiezingen zou kunnen beinvloeden :')
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Nog maar even een recap van Horowitz bevindingen omtrent het weglaten van de informatie over Page zijn relatie met de CIA in de FISA aanvragen en het aanpassen van die CIA informatie voor de 4de en laatste aanvraag.

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A. Information about Page's Prior Relationship with Another U.S. Government Agency and Information Page Provided to the Other Agency that Overlapped with Facts Asserted in the FISA Application

The OI Attorney told us that it is relevant to know if the target of a FISA is or had been working on behalf of another U.S. government agency to "make sure that the left hand knows what the right hand is doing" when seeking FISA authority. As noted previously, according to the 01 Attorney, it would have been a significant fact if Page had a relationship with the other U.S. government agency that overlapped in time with his interactions with known Russian intelligence officers described in the FISA applications because it would raise the issue of whether Page interacted with the Russian intelligence officers at the behest of the other agency or with the intent to assist the U.S. government. Evans told us that information about a FISA target's relationship with another U.S. government agency is typically included in a FISA application. Evans also stated that 01 would work with the FBI to fully understand any such relationship and describe it accurately in the relevant application.

Toward that end, on September 28, 2016, the OI Attorney emailed Case Agent 1 a draft of the FISA application, copying other members of the Crossfire Hurricane team. In a comment in the draft application, the OI Attorney asked "do we know if there is any truth to Page's claim that he has provided information to [another U.S. government agency]-was he considered a source/asset/whatever?" In response to the OI Attorney's question, on September 29, Case Agent 1 inserted the following comment in the draft:

"He did meet with [the other U.S. government agency], however, it's dated and I would argue it was/is outside scope, I don't think we need it in. It was years ago, when he was in Moscow. If you want to keep it, I can get the language from the [August 17 Memorandum] we were provided [by the other U.S. government agency]."

294 Based upon this response, the 0I Attorney did not include information about Page's prior relationship with the other agency in the FISA application.

However, the information Case Agent 1 provided to the 0I Attorney was inaccurate. As described in the August 17 Memorandum from the other U.S. government agency to the FBI, Page first met with the other agency in April 2008, after he left Moscow (Page had lived in Moscow from 2004 to 2007), and he had been approved as an operational contact for the other agency from 2008 to 2013. Additionally, rather than being outside the scope of the FISA application, the FISA application included allegations about meetings that Page had with Russian intelligence officers that Page had disclosed to the other agency. Specifically, according to the August 17 Memorandum, Page provided information to the other agency in October 2010 about contacts he had with a Russian intelligence officer (Intelligence Officer 1), which the other agency assessed likely began in 2008. Page's contacts with Intelligence Officer 1 in 2007 and 2008 were among the historical connections to Russian intelligence officers that the FBI relied upon in the first FISA application (and subsequent renewal applications) to help support probable cause. 295 The August 17 Memorandum stated that Page told the other agency that he met with Intelligence Officer 1 four times, characterized him as a "compelling, nice guy," and described Intelligence Officer l's alleged interest in contacting an identified U.S. person. According to the August 17 Memorandum, the employee of the other U.S. government agency who met with Page assessed that Page "candidly described his contact with" Intelligence Officer 1. Page's relationship with the other agency was not mentioned in any of the four FISA applications.

Further, the FBI had information in its own files indicating that Page had told the FBI about meeting with the other U.S. government agency after the period he lived in Moscow and during the period alleged in the FISA application. For example, according to the FBI Electronic Communication (EC) documenting a June 18, 2009 FBI interview of Page, Page had informed the FBI agents that "due to his work and overseas experiences, he has been questioned by and provides information to representatives of the [other U.S. government agency] on an ongoing basis," and that the "interviewing agents acknowledged this fact, and stated to Page that no questions would be asked about Page's dealings with the other U.S. government agency during the interview." According to another FBI EC, Page told the FBI during a June 2013 interview that, although he had not spoken to the other U.S. government agency for "about a year or so" Page had spoken to them "since his last interview with the FBI."


The Woods File for the first FISA application, which was prepared by Case Agent 1, included the EC documenting the 2009 FBI interview of Page. Additionally, Case Agent 1 received an email on August 10, 2016, containing an attachment titled "Carter Page-Profile," which had been prepared by a Crossfire Hurricane Staff Operations Specialist (SOS). The profile, dated August 1, 2016, quoted the 2009 EC regarding Page's statements to the FBI about his contact with the other U.S. government agency. We did not find any electronic communications indicating that the FBI provided 0I with this Carter Page profile.

We asked Case Agent 1 about his knowledge in 2016 of Page's historical contacts with the other U.S. government agency and Case Agent l's response to the 01 Attorney's question on September 29, 2016, about any such contacts. Case Agent 1 told us that he did not recall his state of knowledge in 2016 regarding Page's history with the other U.S. government agency, but said he believed that he likely would have reviewed the August 17 Memorandum about Page sent to the Crossfire Hurricane team by the other U.S. government agency. He said he recalled believing that Page's involvement with the other U.S. government agency was "dated." After reviewing a synopsis of the information contained in the August 17 Memorandum during his OIG interview, Case Agent 1 reiterated to the OIG that he believed the information was dated, but also said that he "probably saw it." According to Case Agent 1, "I think I would have reviewed it with the team. I think that it would have been, you know, as we looked at it. It wasn't just me. But, we, you know, there was a determination made that it was dated." Case Agent 1 also said it was possible that he never reviewed the August 17 Memorandum from the other U.S. government agency.

The 01 Attorney told us that he could not recall much about the issue of Page's historical contacts with the other U.S. government agency. After being shown his exchange with Case Agent 1 on September 29, 2016, the 01 Attorney stated that if Case Agent 1 told him that Page's contacts with the other U.S. government agency were "out of scope" and dated, then he would have deferred to Case Agent 1 's assessment on this issue. The 01 Attorney also told us, after being informed about information in the August 17 Memorandum from the other U.S. government agency, that if 01 had been aware of this information at the time the application was being prepared, 01 would have discussed it internally and likely would have disclosed the information to the FISC to "err on the side of disclosure." When we discussed the information in the August 17 Memorandum with Evans, he responded similarly and told us "I think it would go in the application somewhere, be it in a footnote or elsewhere, if for no other reason than it also goes to the question of where the person's loyalties lie."

As described later in Chapters Seven and Eight, none of the three renewal applications described Page's prior historical contacts and relationship with the other U.S. government agency, even after the FBI received additional information from the other agency in June 2017. In April and May 2017, following news reports that the FBI had obtained a FISA targeting Carter Page, Page gave interviews to news outlets denying that he had collected intelligence for the Russian government and asserting instead that he had previously shared information that he had learned with the U.S. intelligence community. In mid-June 2017, in response to concerns expressed by members of the Crossfire Hurricane team, the OGC Attorney contacted the other U.S. government agency by email to seek clarification about Page's past status with that agency. The other U.S. government agency responded by email to the FBI OGC attorney by directing the attorney to memoranda previously sent to the FBI by the other U.S. government agency that informed the FBI that Page did previously have a relationship with that other agency and that the last contact occurred in July 2011. The email also stated, using the other agency's terminology, that Page had a relationship with that other agency. However, when asked about Page's prior status with that other agency by a Crossfire Hurricane supervisor, SSA 2, who was going to be the affiant on the final FISA renewal application, the OGC Attorney told SSA 2 that Page had never had a relationship with the other U.S. government agency. In addition, the OGC Attorney altered the email that the other U.S. government agency had sent to the OGC Attorney so that the email stated that Page had not been a source for the other agency; the OGC Attorney then forwarded the altered email to SSA 2, who told us he relied on the email. Shortly thereafter, SSA 2 served as the affiant on the final renewal application, which was again silent on Page's prior relationship with the other U.S. government agency.


294 As noted previously, on or about August 17, 2016, the Crossfire Hurricane team received information from another U.S. government agency detailing Carter Page's relationship with that other agency.

295 The other agency did not provide the FBI with information indicating it had knowledge of Page's reported contacts with another particular intelligence officer. The FBI also relied on Page's contacts with this intelligence officer in the FISA application.
Blz 157 van het Horowitz rapport:

https://www.google.com/ur(...)bRmPm_xgtaYTDtkECTs2

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Nunes over Clinesmith, goed punt dat Nunes aanhaalt is dat Clinesmith, door sommige media gedownplayed tot low level lawyer, later ook onderdeel uit maakte van het Mueller team.



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Nunes 😂 zó geloofwaardig. Excuse me.
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Dus het waren geen kaboutertjes, die de boxen weghaalden.
Nu nog terugplaatsen, inclusief de machines.

Wíe vraagt de president-van-niks nou eens hóe hij de democratie bewaakt.
Wánneer werken de journalisten eens samen om stuk voor stuk dezelfde vraag hierover te stellen.
Zij willen toch ook transparantie, of draait het alleen maar competitie en concurrentie.
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Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.
Vanwege de lengte staat de thread in de spoiler. Comments zijn veelzeggend.
Edit: de comments pakt de link dan weer niet mee.
Usps zorgt dus ook voor cheques, medicijnen voor vets en is een constitutionele ‘voorziening’.
Het is zó logisch dat de post functioneert, totdat het niet meer vanzelfsprekend is.
(Ok. In mijn dorp komt de post “altijd” een dag later dan elders).
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Nunes over Clinesmith, goed punt dat Nunes aanhaalt is dat Clinesmith, door sommige media gedownplayed tot low level lawyer, later ook onderdeel uit maakte van het Mueller team.

Wat vind jij ervan dat Trump chaos creeert bij de postal service om het stemmen te dwarsbomen?
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Zou de postmaster-in-chief zijn hand overspeeld hebben?
# Las Vegas style.
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Just How Far Will Trump Go?
The president has dramatically accelerated the pace of his efforts to weaponize the federal government to his advantage.

President Donald Trump’s open admission yesterday that he’s sabotaging the Postal Service to improve his election prospects crystallizes a much larger dynamic: He’s waging an unprecedented campaign to weaponize virtually every component of the federal government to partisan advantage.

Trump is systematically enlisting agencies, including the Postal Service, Census Bureau, Department of Justice, and Department of Homeland Security, that traditionally have been considered at least somewhat insulated from political machinations to reward his allies and punish those he considers his enemies. He is razing barriers between his personal and political interests and the core operations of the federal government to an extent that no president has previously attempted, a wide range of public-administration experts have told me.

“There’s always been temptation … but no president in modern times has taken action so explicitly and obviously—or transparently—to influence and actually direct these agencies to favor the party in power,” Paul Light, a public-service professor at New York University, told me. “None. None.”

Presidents have always put their stamp on the federal government. It’s common for regulatory agencies, for instance, to dramatically shift direction in their attitude toward Big Business when partisan control of the White House changes. And presidents have always rewarded their political supporters, at times causing scandals because of questionable Cabinet appointments or procurement decisions.

But no matter which individuals were appointed to lead them, some agencies have always been considered more protected from politics. It’s those barriers that Trump, with the tacit support of congressional Republicans, is steadily dismantling. Presidents have used the Postal Service to reward loyalists with jobs since the country’s earliest history. But they didn’t expect what Trump does from the agency. “The whole spoils system goes back to having supporters who were appointed as postmasters,” says Kedric Payne, the general counsel of the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center and a former top official at the Office of Congressional Ethics. “But it wasn’t to disrupt the election.”

The result of Trump’s moves: an executive branch whose full reach and power is being conscripted to serve the president’s immediate interests. “All of it comes from a place that whatever is in his personal interest—whether it’s financial, reputational, or political—if it benefits him, the government is merely a tool for serving himself,” Walter Shaub, the director of the Office of Government Ethics under former President Barack Obama, told me. “He has simply crossed lines that no one would even conceive of crossing in the past.”

His determination to harness federal power to his personal advantage links his choices throughout his presidency, including funneling federal dollars into businesses he owns and withholding military aid for Ukraine in exchange for an election favor, the actions that led to his impeachment in the House last year.

Experts I spoke with said that Trump has dramatically accelerated the pace of his efforts to weaponize federal actions since his Senate acquittal, when every Republican, except Utah’s Mitt Romney, voted to dismiss the charges against him with no sanction and not even a full-scale trial to explore the evidence.

Beyond his recent efforts to impede mail delivery, Trump has:

• Rapidly purged inspectors general across the federal government, replacing five of them within a short period, including the intelligence-community IG who forwarded to Congress the whistleblower complaint that triggered Trump’s impeachment.
• Openly pressured the Justice Department to back off the prosecution of his former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, and to request more lenient sentencing for his ally Roger Stone. Trump later commuted Stone’s sentence outright.
• Deployed federal law-enforcement officials from the Department of Homeland Security to confront protesters in Portland, Oregon, and other cities over the explicit objection of governors and mayors.
• Enlisted the military into his campaign against protesters, drafting Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley to accompany him during his walk to St. John’s Church in Washington, D.C., after armed personnel forcibly cleared out peaceful protesters. The decision prompted so much concern in the military that Milley later apologized.
• Taken repeated steps to manipulate the results of the decennial census in a manner that could undercount people of color and benefit the Republican Party. The Supreme Court stopped Trump from adding a citizenship question to the census, but the administration now says it intends to exclude undocumented immigrants from the population counts used to apportion congressional seats and Electoral College votes among the states. It also announced it will cut off efforts to contact households that haven’t responded to the census on September 30, despite the disruption caused by the coronavirus outbreak. Census experts and former Census Bureau directors have said that such a truncated schedule is guaranteed to undercount minorities.

The deployment of federal agents this summer may represent the most tangible manifestation of Trump’s determination to wield the federal government as a weapon against his political enemies. Light, who has studied the federal government’s operations for decades and is usually no alarmist, describes it as “shocking.” Sending those assets into cities over the objection of their mayors, he told me, “does resemble the early days of a police state, I’m sorry to say it.”

But if those deployments comprise the most visceral example, Trump’s attempts to manipulate the census may provide the most revealing measure of just how much he’s willing to distort federal operations to benefit himself and his party—and how far congressional Republicans will go in abetting him.

In the past, the census has occasionally faced questions about its accuracy. But never before has there been evidence of a president deliberately trying to skew the results in a manner that helps one party. “I don’t think there’s ever been a charge that the census was systematically unfair,” says Donald Kettl, a longtime scholar of federal administration, now at the University of Texas at Austin.

Until now, the reason for avoiding census tampering has seemed obvious: It was thought that everyone benefits from an accurate count (just as everyone was thought to benefit from an apolitical military, among other institutions Trump has tried to manipulate). Billions of dollars in federal aid are tied to population, so presumably every state would want as many of its people counted as possible. “A complete count is important no matter what state you are in, because so many federal and state programs are tied to the numbers of people,” Steve Murdock, who served as the Census Bureau’s director under President George W. Bush, told me. “You don’t gain much by not counting the people you have to provide services for.”

But in a political environment defined by widening polarization along racial and geographic lines, that traditional restraint has apparently broken down. Hardly any congressional Republicans have raised concerns about Trump’s determination to curtail the census count. That includes Republicans from highly diverse states across the Sun Belt, which are likely to be among the biggest losers if minority populations are systematically undercounted, both in terms of federal aid and the apportionment of congressional seats and Electoral College votes. This week, I asked the offices of GOP senators from Florida, Texas, Arizona, and Georgia if they had any objection to Trump short-circuiting the census count. All refused to respond, except Florida’s Marco Rubio, whose staff referred me only to a comment he’d made on a related issue, Trump’s effort to exclude the undocumented from apportionment. (And even on that question, Rubio avoided taking a definitive position.) Republican governors in those states have not raised concerns publicly either.

“I am just dumbfounded,” said Murdock, who also served for many years as Texas’s state demographer. “I don’t know why Texas would let this happen. The elected officials should be screaming: ‘Count those people; we are providing services for them.’”

Although the House has approved legislation extending the deadline for reporting census results until next April, giving the bureau more time to reach unresponsive Americans, the Senate has refused to consider the measure. Instead, just as with Postal Service slowdowns that may disproportionately hurt rural communities, many Republicans appear to have concluded that they are willing to accept collateral damage to their own constituencies for the partisan gain Trump’s actions could provide. Counting fewer people of color in Texas or Florida might mean fewer federal dollars, and even less representation in Congress. But it also could benefit Republicans in next year’s redistricting, making it tougher for civil-rights groups to legally challenge gerrymandered lines for providing insufficient representation to minorities.

“Republicans are in on the deal,” says Simon Rosenberg, the founder of the Democratic research-and-advocacy group NDN, referring to the GOP’s effective approval of Trump’s actions concerning both the census and the Postal Service. “They want Trump to blunt the size of the Democratic victory this year at all costs … They want Trump to stick his finger in the demographic dam that could make them the minority party for a generation.”

This corrosive synergy binds other elements of Trump’s campaign to weaponize more federal functions. Payne says Trump’s offensive has proceeded in two stages. First, he systematically defied congressional oversight—ignoring subpoenas and demands for testimony—and fired inspectors general who were in his path. Congressional Republicans helped by supporting his defiance of oversight and voting almost unanimously not to punish his actions in Ukraine. With those potential sources of resistance blunted, Payne says, Trump has moved more openly than before to manipulate federal operations that will directly influence the outcome of this election (the Postal Service) and the distribution of political power for years to come (the census).

“Where now that you have no recourse that Congress can take to impeach or investigate the administration, and you don’t have the IGs, that lays the groundwork to then go after these positions that could influence the election,” Payne says.

By politicizing agencies so overtly, Trump is creating a situation in which the right will accuse Joe Biden, if he wins, of engaging in political manipulation simply by reverting them to their more traditional roles. Conservatives, for instance, will surely scream if a President Biden removes loyalists whom Trump has installed in inspector-general positions.

An even more dramatic outcome of Biden winning in November: Some experts believe that his administration could reopen the census before transmitting the data for reapportioning congressional seats. Under current federal law, Trump must transmit the results to Congress for reapportionment purposes by year’s end. But some believe a President Biden could order the bureau to spend several more months pursuing the households it has not yet reached. “The next president can say, ‘I decertify it,’” says Robert Shapiro, who helped oversee the 2000 census as the Commerce Department’s undersecretary for economic affairs under Bill Clinton. “You can say, ‘I’m not going to redo it, [but] we are going to carry out the operation that was truncated.’” (There’s no apparent precedent for reopening the census during a change of administrations, which means that the Supreme Court would likely decide whether doing so is legal if Biden takes that route.)

And if Trump wins? The public-administration experts universally told me that the accelerating pace of Trump’s excesses—without meaningful complaint from congressional Republicans—signals that in a second term, he is likely to push much further in refashioning the federal government for his own ends.

Rosenberg framed Trump’s actions in dramatic terms. Trump, in his combative speeches around the July 4 holiday, claimed that “far-left fascism” is trying to “overthrow” and “destroy” American “civilization”—allegations that could justify almost any level of “authoritarian crackdown by the government of the United States against the president’s domestic political opponents,” Rosenberg argues. “We are watching an authoritarian in action before our eyes. And we haven’t woken up to the significance of what we are seeing, frankly.”

Those are accusations that have rarely been directed at an American president. But as students of democracy point out, the pattern of subordinating all government operations to the interests of one party, and even one individual, is a core characteristic of illiberal and authoritarian countries. Shaub, like Rosenberg, sees exactly that end point. “I think if he’s reelected, the republic may die—and I’m having to force myself to say ‘may’ so I don’t sound like a complete alarmist,” Shaub, now a senior adviser to the government-watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said starkly. “But I don’t see how the government can survive four more years of this … Whatever your worst fears are for whatever comes next aren’t as bad as it will be, by a long shot.”
The Atlantic
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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Wat betekent bijna eigenhandig verantwoordelijk voor wetgeving?
Is dat btw nu al teruggedraaid "three strikes you're out"?
In de praktijk was het zo dat bepaalde rechters daar al anders mee omgingen natuurlijk. Schrijnende gevallen van '25 to life' na een bijv. candy bar stelen in een supermarkt kwam al niet meer echt voor.
Wel was dit ook een idee van Hillary Clinton btw om die wetgeving ingevoerd door haar man terug te draaien en ook Bill Clinton heeft publiekelijk het boetekleed aangetrokken en toegegeven dat dit geen goede wetgeving was.
I´m back.
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Is dat btw nu al teruggedraaid "three strikes you're out"?
In de praktijk was het zo dat bepaalde rechters daar al anders mee omgingen natuurlijk. Schrijnende gevallen van '25 to life' na een bijv. candy bar stelen in een supermarkt kwam al niet meer echt voor.
Wel was dit ook een idee van Hillary Clinton btw om die wetgeving ingevoerd door haar man terug te draaien en ook Bill Clinton heeft publiekelijk het boetekleed aangetrokken en toegegeven dat dit geen goede wetgeving was.
Nee, 3 strikes laws zijn nog steeds actief, zowel op Federaal als staats nivo.
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Nee, 3 strikes laws zijn nog steeds actief, zowel op Federaal als staats nivo.
Ja, dacht het ook al, nog niet meegekregen dat dit officieel is afgeschaft idd, alhoewel in de praktijk er vanaf wordt geweken (soms, niet altijd).
I´m back.
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Nou, het was niet altijd “botertje tot de boom” tussen Obama en Biden ( en Hillary).
https://www.politico.com/(...)-relationship-393570
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 13:35:47 #58
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Pence blijkt ook campagnegeld te hebben gebruikt om zijn hypotheek te betalen en credotcardrekeningen te voldoen lees ik net in een al wat ouder artikel.
Nogal hypocriet van onze mannenbroeder.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 13:35 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Pence blijkt ook campagnegeld te hebben gebruikt om zijn hypotheek te betalen en credotcardrekeningen te voldoen lees ik net in een al wat ouder artikel.
Nogal hypocriet van onze mannenbroeder.
Bron? Anders kunnen we er weinig mee.
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 13:47:17 #60
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  Redactie Games zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 14:07:31 #61
436761 crew  Puddington
Ja, die nerd!
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Wapo
Zou ook mooi zijn als je een link post
Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 14:10:59 #62
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Ik kwam er via twitter, en laat ik nou net verzocht zijn geen tweets meer te posten moet het zo.

De WAPO heeft een zoekfunctie.

Sorry voor de overlast.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 14:22:39 #63
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Anyway, the Orange-Utan zou vandaag een balletje gooien bij de Yankees, zei hij een paar weken terug. Dat werd geannuleerd omdat:

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"strong focus on the China Virus, including scheduled meetings on Vaccines, our economy and much else."
Hij staat nu op de golfbaan.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 14:43:16 #64
3292 Tweek
Koffie graag!
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Nou, het was niet altijd “botertje tot de boom” tussen Obama en Biden ( en Hillary).
https://www.politico.com/(...)-relationship-393570
Interessant stuk, geeft goed weer welke stijlen ze beide hadden.
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Kevin Clinesmith gaat schuldig pleiten wegens het knoeien met een email mbt Carter Page:

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Even voor de goede orde: is dit nu de #Obamagate dan?
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Neuh, het is de postmastergate.
Zit je op de porch met een kopje koffie en vult de lawn zich.
Ook: De Mailadressen circuleren van de ( republikeinse) Board of Directors om te klagen.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 14:10 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Ik kwam er via twitter, en laat ik nou net verzocht zijn geen tweets meer te posten moet het zo.

De WAPO heeft een zoekfunctie.

Sorry voor de overlast.
Gebruik die zoekfunctie dan en post die link.
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Jaja, de ventilatoren in de opslag zijn er ook nog. Art of the Deal. ☹
Geen idee of die nou gebracht zijn naar hotspots.
Zonder personeel heb je ook niks.

P.S. Was het een goeie philips medical deal?
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 16:38:12 #69
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  Overall beste user 2022 zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 17:32:21 #70
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Trump heeft geen enkel bewijs aangeleverd van vote-by-mailfraude in de zaak die hij aanspande tegen PA om stemmen per post te verbieden in die staat wegens vote-by-mailfraude.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
  zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 18:00:19 #71
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#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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P.S. Was het een goeie philips medical deal?
Phillips is niet Philips. :7
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
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Phillips is niet Philips. :7
Dit gaat gewoon om "onze" Philips, ondanks de spelfout in de eerste alinea.
When government - in pursuit of good intentions - tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.
Hey, my girl, why don't you just let it flow?
  zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 @ 18:22:46 #73
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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12s.gif Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 18:17 schreef nostra het volgende:

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Dit gaat gewoon om "onze" Philips, ondanks de spelfout in de eerste alinea.
Just being sarcastic. :+
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
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12s.gif Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 18:17 schreef nostra het volgende:

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Dit gaat gewoon om "onze" Philips, ondanks de spelfout in de eerste alinea.
Ja, die ook nog leverden aan nederland.
Excuse me, met verkeerde amerikaanse aansluitingen.
#vaderlandsliefde

Het artikel is nog beter. Not. Zelfs niet geleverd.
Frans van Houten, een trotse Nederlandse koopman.
Ik zie hem nog glimmen in een talkshow. #trots.
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1s.gif Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 19:25 schreef AnneX het volgende:
Het artikel is nog beter. Not. Zelfs niet geleverd.
Frans van Houten, een trotse Nederlandse koopman.
Ik zie hem nog glimmen in een talkshow. #trots.
Mèh, dit soort dingen worden ook snel enorm gepolitiseerd, helemaal in het huidige gamma in de VS. Als je als koper ineens stante pede een mega-order wil plaatsen met een strakke deadline, dan zit je natuurlijk ook niet in de beste onderhandelingspositie. Dat je dan achteraf moet constateren dat je niet de beste prijs hebt betaald ten opzichte van pre-pandemie kleinere orders hoeft natuurlijk niet meteen te escaleren tot wanbeleid (vanuit de overheid) of fraude (vanuit PHI).
When government - in pursuit of good intentions - tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.
Hey, my girl, why don't you just let it flow?
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