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http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE84G18M20120517
(Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.
"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.
"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."
Medvedev gave no further explanation. Nuclear-armed Russia has said publicly that it is under no obligation to protect Syria if it is attacked, and analysts and diplomats say Russia would not get involved in military action if Iran were attacked.
Russia has adamantly urged Western nations not to attack Iran to neutralize its nuclear program or intervene against the Syrian government over bloodshed in which the United Nations says its forces have killed more than 9,000 people.
Medvedev will represent Russia at the Group of Eight summit in place of Putin, whose decision to stay away from the meeting in the United States was seen as muscle-flexing in the face of the West.
Putin said previously that threats will only encourage Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Analysts have said that Medvedev also meant that regional nuclear powers such as Israel, Pakistan and India could get involved into a conflict.
As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorized NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticized when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".
Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.
Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.
Since Putin announced plans last September to seek a third presidential term and make Medvedev prime minister, Russia has vetoed two Security Council resolutions condemning Assad's government, one of which would have called on him to cede power.
Russia's G8 liaison Arkady Dvorkovich said Russia will try to influence the final version of the G8 statement at a summit in Camp David this weekend to avoid a "one-sided" approach that would favor the Syrian opposition.
"In the G8 final statement we would like to avoid the recommendations similar to those which were forced upon during the preparations of the U.N. Security Council resolutions," Dvorkovich said. "A one-sided signal is not acceptable for us."
Russia successfully managed to water down the part of the statement on Syria at a G8 summit in France in May 2011, removing the calls for action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"We believe that the United Nations is the main venue to discussing such issues," Dvorkovich said.
LAST APPEARANCE
The G8 summit is likely to be the last appearance among all the leaders of industrialized nations for Medvedev, who embraced U.S. President Barack Obama's "reset", improving strained ties between the nations.
Dvorkovich said Putin's absence from the summit, the first time a Russian president has skipped one, would not affect the outcome: "All the leaders, I saw their reaction, are ready to comprehensively work with the chairman of the government (Medvedev)."
Dvorkovich said that at a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, Medvedev will raise opposition to attempts by some U.S. lawmakers to introduce legislation which will address human rights violations in Russia.
Such legislation could take a form of the so-called Sergei Magnitsky bill, named after the Russian lawyer who died in prison in 2009. The Kremlin human rights council says he was probably beaten to death.
The bill would require the United States to deny visas and freeze the assets of Russians or others with links to his detention and death as well as those who commit other human rights violations.
"New legislation which will address new political issues as imagined by some U.S. congressmen or senators is unacceptable," Dvorkovich said, promising a retaliation.
(Editing by Michael Roddy)
(Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.
"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.
"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."
Medvedev gave no further explanation. Nuclear-armed Russia has said publicly that it is under no obligation to protect Syria if it is attacked, and analysts and diplomats say Russia would not get involved in military action if Iran were attacked.
Russia has adamantly urged Western nations not to attack Iran to neutralize its nuclear program or intervene against the Syrian government over bloodshed in which the United Nations says its forces have killed more than 9,000 people.
Medvedev will represent Russia at the Group of Eight summit in place of Putin, whose decision to stay away from the meeting in the United States was seen as muscle-flexing in the face of the West.
Putin said previously that threats will only encourage Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Analysts have said that Medvedev also meant that regional nuclear powers such as Israel, Pakistan and India could get involved into a conflict.
As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorized NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticized when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".
Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.
Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.
Since Putin announced plans last September to seek a third presidential term and make Medvedev prime minister, Russia has vetoed two Security Council resolutions condemning Assad's government, one of which would have called on him to cede power.
Russia's G8 liaison Arkady Dvorkovich said Russia will try to influence the final version of the G8 statement at a summit in Camp David this weekend to avoid a "one-sided" approach that would favor the Syrian opposition.
"In the G8 final statement we would like to avoid the recommendations similar to those which were forced upon during the preparations of the U.N. Security Council resolutions," Dvorkovich said. "A one-sided signal is not acceptable for us."
Russia successfully managed to water down the part of the statement on Syria at a G8 summit in France in May 2011, removing the calls for action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"We believe that the United Nations is the main venue to discussing such issues," Dvorkovich said.
LAST APPEARANCE
The G8 summit is likely to be the last appearance among all the leaders of industrialized nations for Medvedev, who embraced U.S. President Barack Obama's "reset", improving strained ties between the nations.
Dvorkovich said Putin's absence from the summit, the first time a Russian president has skipped one, would not affect the outcome: "All the leaders, I saw their reaction, are ready to comprehensively work with the chairman of the government (Medvedev)."
Dvorkovich said that at a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, Medvedev will raise opposition to attempts by some U.S. lawmakers to introduce legislation which will address human rights violations in Russia.
Such legislation could take a form of the so-called Sergei Magnitsky bill, named after the Russian lawyer who died in prison in 2009. The Kremlin human rights council says he was probably beaten to death.
The bill would require the United States to deny visas and freeze the assets of Russians or others with links to his detention and death as well as those who commit other human rights violations.
"New legislation which will address new political issues as imagined by some U.S. congressmen or senators is unacceptable," Dvorkovich said, promising a retaliation.
(Editing by Michael Roddy)
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.
Eerste grofweg 20 jaar, omdat het een bondgenoot was van de Sovjet-Unie.quote:Op maandag 26 augustus 2013 22:54 schreef Northside het volgende:
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Je focust op de verkeerde dingen. De vraag zou zijn of Israëls buitenlandse beleid een goede reden is om nu in te grijpen in Syrië.
Of: als Assad zo'n wrede tiran is, waarom laten we hem dan al 40 jaar z'n gang gaan?
Vanaf 2001 zal meegespeeld hebben, omdat het moslimfundamentalisme onderdrukte.
Natuurlijk deed het wel weer Hezbollah steunen in Libanon en over het algemeen was het een destabiliserende factor in Libanon, dus dat was wel een minpuntje. Echter de afgelopen jaren was daar al weer verandering in gekomen, in de zin dat hoewel hun claim op de hoogte van Golan bleef bestaan, ze hun invloed in Libanon indamden.
Tegenwoordig speelt uiteraard ook mee dat het een bondgenoot is van Rusland, China en Iran.
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Ryan3 op 27-08-2013 08:21:30 ]
I´m back.
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http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE84G18M20120517
(Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.
"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.
"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."
Medvedev gave no further explanation. Nuclear-armed Russia has said publicly that it is under no obligation to protect Syria if it is attacked, and analysts and diplomats say Russia would not get involved in military action if Iran were attacked.
Russia has adamantly urged Western nations not to attack Iran to neutralize its nuclear program or intervene against the Syrian government over bloodshed in which the United Nations says its forces have killed more than 9,000 people.
Medvedev will represent Russia at the Group of Eight summit in place of Putin, whose decision to stay away from the meeting in the United States was seen as muscle-flexing in the face of the West.
Putin said previously that threats will only encourage Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Analysts have said that Medvedev also meant that regional nuclear powers such as Israel, Pakistan and India could get involved into a conflict.
As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorized NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticized when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".
Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.
Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.
Since Putin announced plans last September to seek a third presidential term and make Medvedev prime minister, Russia has vetoed two Security Council resolutions condemning Assad's government, one of which would have called on him to cede power.
Russia's G8 liaison Arkady Dvorkovich said Russia will try to influence the final version of the G8 statement at a summit in Camp David this weekend to avoid a "one-sided" approach that would favor the Syrian opposition.
"In the G8 final statement we would like to avoid the recommendations similar to those which were forced upon during the preparations of the U.N. Security Council resolutions," Dvorkovich said. "A one-sided signal is not acceptable for us."
Russia successfully managed to water down the part of the statement on Syria at a G8 summit in France in May 2011, removing the calls for action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"We believe that the United Nations is the main venue to discussing such issues," Dvorkovich said.
LAST APPEARANCE
The G8 summit is likely to be the last appearance among all the leaders of industrialized nations for Medvedev, who embraced U.S. President Barack Obama's "reset", improving strained ties between the nations.
Dvorkovich said Putin's absence from the summit, the first time a Russian president has skipped one, would not affect the outcome: "All the leaders, I saw their reaction, are ready to comprehensively work with the chairman of the government (Medvedev)."
Dvorkovich said that at a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, Medvedev will raise opposition to attempts by some U.S. lawmakers to introduce legislation which will address human rights violations in Russia.
Such legislation could take a form of the so-called Sergei Magnitsky bill, named after the Russian lawyer who died in prison in 2009. The Kremlin human rights council says he was probably beaten to death.
The bill would require the United States to deny visas and freeze the assets of Russians or others with links to his detention and death as well as those who commit other human rights violations.
"New legislation which will address new political issues as imagined by some U.S. congressmen or senators is unacceptable," Dvorkovich said, promising a retaliation.
(Editing by Michael Roddy)
http://blogs.aljazeera.co(...)-cancelled-ap-sourcequote:US-Russia meeting on Syria cancelled, AP source
Last modified: 27 Aug 2013 05:45
The US State Department says it is postponing a meeting with Russian diplomats on Syria this week.
The meeting at The Hague was about setting up an international conference to find a political resolution to the Syrian crisis.
A senior State Department official said on Monday the meeting between Undersecretary Wendy Sherman and US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford with their Russian counterparts was canceled because of the ongoing US review about alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria.
The US says it has evidence that it is very likely chemical weapons were used by the government of Bashar Assad. The US official said the meeting will be rescheduled because a political solution is still needed in Syria.
The official was not authorised to publicly confirm the cancellation and spoke on condition of anonymity.
- AP
http://www.salon.com/2013(...)_syria_intervention/quote:Less popular than Nixon during Watergate: Our potential Syria intervention!
If Obama moves ahead in Syria, he'll have less of the public behind him than in any other military intervention
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Wie zegt dat? Dat is toch nog helemaal niet zeker?quote:
Nobelprijs winnaar Obomma en de rest van het kliekje leugenaars wil per se oorlog.
Morgen weten we het, vandaag is de laatste dag van de militaire top tussen de imperialisten.quote:
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Wie zegt dat? Dat is toch nog helemaal niet zeker?
De Verenigde Staten hebben een ontmoeting met Rusland over Syrië afgezegd. Diplomaten van beide landen zouden morgen in Den Haag over de ontwikkelingen in Syrië praten, als voorbereiding op een internationale vredesconferentie in Genève.
http://nos.nl/artikel/544(...)-met-rusland-af.html
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Komt bekend voorquote:The US says it has evidence that it is very likely chemical weapons were used by the government of Bashar Assad. The US official said the meeting will be rescheduled because a political solution is still needed in Syria.
quote:The US says it has evidence that it is very likely that Iraq has WMDs.
Get it and Bet it
Hoe is het nou btw met die gasaanval van gisteravond, staat niets over in het nieuws? In Aleppo, geloof ik.
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Erg vreemd inderdaad. Traditionele media lopen weer eens hopeloos achter de feiten aan.quote:
Hoe is het nou btw met die gasaanval van gisteravond, staat niets over in het nieuws? In Aleppo, geloof ik.
ff wachten tot na overmorgen! Dan komen Israelische familieleden voor 5 weken in m,n huis logeren 
BARUJ SHEM KEVOD MALJUTO LE´OLAM VA´ED
Dat is wel echt dan?quote:Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:35 schreef Disorder het volgende:
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Erg vreemd inderdaad. Traditionele media lopen weer eens hopeloos achter de feiten aan.
Ik lees er niets over iig.
I´m back.
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/10(...)eek-verdoezeld.dhtmlquote:Toch zullen de VN-inspecteurs zich niet wagen aan een uitspraak over de schuldvraag. 'Het gaat louter om de toedracht. Die moet objectief worden vastgesteld. Met de schuldvraag kom je op politiek terrein en die wordt vanzelf door de belanghebbenden ingekleurd.'
De VN inspecteurs gaan geen antwoord geven over de schuldvraag.
http://www.independent.co(...)vil-war-8785051.htmlquote:Syria, the military view: A short sharp series of air strikes is the Wests likely involvement in this vicious civil war
But, with political and military leaders at least in agreement that there must not be Western boots on Syrian ground (with the possible exception of special forces) an air war is the likely scenario. And despite General Dempseys warning about being committed decisively, defence sources point towards an extremely sharp, but relatively short series of assaults.
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Ik zag gisteravond een stuk of 3 filmpjes op youtube voorbij komen. Mensen met brandwonden, zo leek het. Wit fosfor misschien?quote:
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Dat is wel echt dan?
Ik lees er niets over iig.
Ja, klopt ja, ik reageerde nog met: 'Jezus Christus zeg', maar waar is het bericht in de media nu?quote:
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Ik zag gisteravond een stuk of 3 filmpjes op youtube voorbij komen. Mensen met brandwonden, zo leek het. Wit fosfor misschien?
I´m back.
Het probleem is dat al die filmpjes niet geverifieerd kunnen worden.quote:
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Ja, klopt ja, ik reageerde nog met: 'Jezus Christus zeg', maar waar is het bericht in de media nu?
quote:Syria crisis: warplanes spotted in Cyprus as tensions rise in Damascus
Signs of advanced readiness at likely hub of air campaign as UN inspection team comes under fire near site of alleged chemical attack
http://www.theguardian.co(...)-damascus?CMP=twt_gu
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
The fog of war... en nu met al die media nog meer dan ooit in WO1 bwvs...quote:
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Het probleem is dat al die filmpjes niet geverifieerd kunnen worden.
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http://www.theguardian.co(...)-damascus?CMP=twt_gu
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Iran warns against strike on Syria after gas attack
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE97Q08D20130827
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE97Q08D20130827
Allemaal maar gedreig natuurlijk, tenzij ze (Rusland, China, Iran) bereid zijn kernwapens in te zetten, maar toch geloof ik dat niet... Zeker niet van Rusland trouwens. Iran heeft nog geen kernwapens en China gaat zijn handen er niet aan branden...
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Religion kills humanity...
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Dat is ook weer overdreven om te stellen, vanuit historisch perspectief zitten er echt wel interessante aspekten aan de Abrahamistische religies... zo waren ze humanistischer dan de animistische religies die men daarvoor had...quote:
Ik zou eerder willen zeggen dat absolutisme icm sektarisme humanity kills...
En armoede en de gevolgen (om het op te heffen dan wel te prolongeren) daarvan natuurlijk...
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Nu zien jullie zelf trouwens eens hoe het nieuws op de tv word 'gemaakt'.
Amerika weet helemaal niks zeker, zuigt letterlijk waar je bijstaat uit haar duim dat het assad is en het nos journaal neemt dat geforceerd over en brengt het als feit.
Amerika weet helemaal niks zeker, zuigt letterlijk waar je bijstaat uit haar duim dat het assad is en het nos journaal neemt dat geforceerd over en brengt het als feit.
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
Je legt het maar uit zoals jij je er lekker bij voelt.quote:
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Dat is ook weer overdreven om te stellen, vanuit historisch perspectief zitten er echt wel interessante aspekten aan de Abrahamistische religies... zo waren ze humanistischer dan de animistische religies die men daarvoor had...
Ik zou eerder willen zeggen dat absolutisme icm sektarisme humanity kills...
En armoede en de gevolgen (om het op te heffen dan wel te prolongeren) daarvan natuurlijk...
Ik blijft erbij, wat 4000 jaar historie heeft aangetoond: religion kills humanity
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Klopt, er is bovendien helemaal niets gaande in Syrië, alles is rustig en er zijn nergens gevechten.quote:
Nu zien jullie zelf trouwens eens hoe het nieuws op de tv word 'gemaakt'.
Amerika weet helemaal niks zeker, zuigt letterlijk waar je bijstaat uit haar duim dat het assad is en het nos journaal neemt dat geforceerd over en brengt het als feit.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
'VS willen bases in Griekenland voor militaire actie Syrië'
Volgens de Griekse krant Kathimerini hebben de Amerikanen om toestemming gevraagd voor het gebruik ervan. Het zou gaan om de marinehaven Souda op Kreta en het vliegveld Kalamata. Kathimerini baseert zich op bronnen binnen de Griekse ministeries van Defensie en Buitenlandse Zaken.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)re-actie-Syrie.dhtml
Volgens de Griekse krant Kathimerini hebben de Amerikanen om toestemming gevraagd voor het gebruik ervan. Het zou gaan om de marinehaven Souda op Kreta en het vliegveld Kalamata. Kathimerini baseert zich op bronnen binnen de Griekse ministeries van Defensie en Buitenlandse Zaken.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)re-actie-Syrie.dhtml
Ja, ik lees er boeken over. Maar ja wat zeggen boeken van geleerden ons hè. Helemaal niets.quote:
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Je legt het maar uit zoals jij je er lekker bij voelt.
Ik blijft erbij, wat 4000 jaar historie heeft aangetoond: religion kills humanity
Boeken is gewoon papier, kun je in de open haard gooien voor warmte.
I´m back.
Levert doekoe's op wrs.quote:
'VS willen bases in Griekenland voor militaire actie Syrië'
Volgens de Griekse krant Kathimerini hebben de Amerikanen om toestemming gevraagd voor het gebruik ervan. Het zou gaan om de marinehaven Souda op Kreta en het vliegveld Kalamata. Kathimerini baseert zich op bronnen binnen de Griekse ministeries van Defensie en Buitenlandse Zaken.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)re-actie-Syrie.dhtml
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Niet zo verheven doen.quote:Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 11:07 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Ja, ik lees er boeken over. Maar ja wat zeggen boeken van geleerden ons hè. Helemaal niets.
Boeken is gewoon papier, kun je in de open haard gooien voor warmte.
Vanuit die verhalen trek jij je conclusies, meer niet. Dat doe ik ook. Enkel kun jij je er niet bij neer leggen dat ik een andere mening heb.
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Jawel hoor.quote:
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Niet zo verheven doen.
Vanuit die verhalen trek jij je conclusies, meer niet. Dat doe ik ook. Enkel kun jij je er niet bij neer leggen dat ik een andere mening heb.
I´m back.
Zo ontstaan oorlogenquote:
Enkel kun jij je er niet bij neer leggen dat ik een andere mening heb.
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Stel nou dat je religie weg zou kunnen nemen. Zouden die conflicten daar dan ineens verdwijnen? Lijkt me niet. Het is wat mij betreft één van de elementen daar, die samen voor ellende zorgen.quote:
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Je legt het maar uit zoals jij je er lekker bij voelt.
Ik blijft erbij, wat 4000 jaar historie heeft aangetoond: religion kills humanity
Op
Yup. Voor 98% in ieder geval.quote:
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Stel nou dat je religie weg zou kunnen nemen. Zouden die conflicten daar dan ineens verdwijnen? Lijkt me niet. Het is wat mij betreft één van de elementen daar, die samen voor ellende zorgen.
Geloof best dat als Hakim van 12 jaar een bal door de ruit schiet van de buurman, er nog een conflictje kan ontstaan.
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Money is the root of all evil.quote:
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Niet zo verheven doen.
Vanuit die verhalen trek jij je conclusies, meer niet. Dat doe ik ook. Enkel kun jij je er niet bij neer leggen dat ik een andere mening heb.
Geld maakte de vorming van grote staande legers mogelijk. Religie is slechts een middel om het gepeupel te motiveren
Rik: Hey guys, wouldn't it be AMAZING if all this money was real?
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
Maar die conflicten over religie worden op gegeven moment gewoon bijv. voortgezet over politieke ideologie, of ergens anders over wrs, denk je ook niet?quote:
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Yup. Voor 98% in ieder geval.
Geloof best dat als Hakim van 12 jaar een bal door de ruit schiet van de buurman, er nog een conflictje kan ontstaan.
Het is een beetje de natuur van de mens blijkbaar...
I´m back.
religie is maar één van honderden 'power structures' die bedoeld zijn om mensen voor karretjes te spannen.
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
Godsdienst is opium van het volk idd, en zeker als ze allemaal arm zijn...quote:
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Money is the root of all evil.
Geld maakte de vorming van grote staande legers mogelijk. Religie is slechts een middel om het gepeupel te motiveren
I´m back.
Ook politieke ideologie die de ontploft in conflict heeft een religieuze bodem.quote:
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Maar die conflicten over religie worden op gegeven moment gewoon bijv. voortgezet over politieke ideologie, of ergens anders over wrs, denk je ook niet?
Het is een beetje de natuur van de mens blijkbaar...
Tenminste, elk conflict heeft dit op zijn conto staan.
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Brits leger maakt plannen voor ingrijpen in Syrië
Premier David Cameron roept waarschijnlijk dinsdag nog het Britse parlement bijeen. Woensdag bespreekt hij de situatie met vertegenwoordigers van defensie en Britse veiligheidsdiensten.
http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)rijpen-in-syrie.html
Premier David Cameron roept waarschijnlijk dinsdag nog het Britse parlement bijeen. Woensdag bespreekt hij de situatie met vertegenwoordigers van defensie en Britse veiligheidsdiensten.
http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)rijpen-in-syrie.html
Ja, okee, wrs is dat idd maar 1 van de dingen waardoor mensen zich laten motiveren om de ander de schedel in te slaan... maar wie spant die mensen dan voor de karretjes en wat winnen ze daarmee? Doekoe's? Alleen als je al veel doekoe's hebt, moet je dan nog meer hebben?quote:
religie is maar één van honderden 'power structures' die bedoeld zijn om mensen voor karretjes te spannen.
I´m back.
Oei oei oeiquote:The US State Department says it is postponing a meeting with Russian diplomats on Syria this week.
Het Amerikaans Parlement:
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Mm, dat is maar ter dele waar natuurlijk. Er zijn conflicten tussen ideologieën die in het geheel geen religieuze waarde hebben... toch?quote:
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Ook politieke ideologie die de ontploft in conflict heeft een religieuze bodem.
Tenminste, elk conflict heeft dit op zijn conto staan.
Ik bedoel een nazi en een commi waren beiden niet religieus maar konden elkaars bloed wel zuipen.
I´m back.
Vertel me maar eens welke oorlog/conflict geen religieuze bodem heeft. Dan probeer ik je tegen te spreken.quote:
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Mm, dat is maar ter dele waar natuurlijk. Er zijn conflicten tussen ideologieën die in het geheel geen religieuze waarde hebben... toch?
Ik bedoel een nazi en een commi waren beiden niet religieus maar konden elkaars bloed wel zuipen.
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Coalition of the willing.quote:
Brits leger maakt plannen voor ingrijpen in Syrië
Premier David Cameron roept waarschijnlijk dinsdag nog het Britse parlement bijeen. Woensdag bespreekt hij de situatie met vertegenwoordigers van defensie en Britse veiligheidsdiensten.
http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)rijpen-in-syrie.html
Ben benieuwd wat Rutte gaat lachen debiteren...
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WO2?quote:
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Vertel me maar eens welke oorlog/conflict geen religieuze bodem heeft. Dan probeer ik je tegen te spreken.
I´m back.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23845765quote:The UK is drawing up contingency plans for military action in response to the chemical weapons attack in Syria, Downing Street has said.
David Cameron will also consider a recall of Parliament when he returns to No 10 later on Tuesday.
MPs from all parties have demanded they be consulted before any move to support military action is taken.
Die gasten moeten op 27 augustus terugkomen van reces in the house of commons?quote:
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23845765
I´m back.
De meest vernietigende oorlogen die gevoerd zijn waren natuurlijk godsdienstoorlogenquote:
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Yup. Voor 98% in ieder geval.
Geloof best dat als Hakim van 12 jaar een bal door de ruit schiet van de buurman, er nog een conflictje kan ontstaan.
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
Wij hebben al Patriots gestuurd, tot zover de bijdrage die Nederland kan missen.quote:
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Coalition of the willing.
Ben benieuwd wat Rutte gaat lachen debiteren...
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Eh, nee.quote:
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De meest vernietigende oorlogen die gevoerd zijn waren natuurlijk godsdienstoorlogen
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
En dat levert dan gelijk weer plaatsvervangende schaamte op...quote:
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Wij hebben al Patriots gestuurd, tot zover de bijdrage die Nederland kan missen.
I´m back.
Niets, ze hebben ons leger wegbezuinigd.quote:
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Coalition of the willing.
Ben benieuwd wat Rutte gaat lachen debiteren...
It's my life, it's now or never, I ain't gonna live forever.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
D'r woont hier naast me een militair, die mogen ze er wel naar toesturen wmb...quote:
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Niets, ze hebben ons leger wegbezuinigd.
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I´m back.
Wat dan?quote:
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D'r woont hier naast me een militair, die mogen ze er wel naar toesturen wmb...
It's my life, it's now or never, I ain't gonna live forever.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
Nou niks, het is een aso, die teert op het kapitaal van zijn schoonouders, hij is lomp, dom, volgens mij heeft-ie überhaupt niets te zoeken in het leger eigenlijk, en hij kan niet eens een vloertje leggen binnen redelijke tijdspanne...quote:
I´m back.
Kanonvoer is ook nodig.quote:
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Nou niks, het is een aso, die teert op het kapitaal van zijn schoonouders, hij is lomp, dom, volgens mij heeft-ie überhaupt niets te zoeken in het leger eigenlijk, en hij kan niet eens een vloertje leggen binnen redelijke tijdspanne...
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Ach ja, mongolen heb je overal. Raar dat ie lomp is trouwens, meeste mensen die ik ken en in het leger zitten zijn allesbehalve tokkies en vaak juist heel netjes.quote:
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Nou niks, het is een aso, die teert op het kapitaal van zijn schoonouders, hij is lomp, dom, volgens mij heeft-ie überhaupt niets te zoeken in het leger eigenlijk, en hij kan niet eens een vloertje leggen binnen redelijke tijdspanne...
It's my life, it's now or never, I ain't gonna live forever.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
Zijn allemaal opperofficieren die jij kent?quote:
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Ach ja, mongolen heb je overal. Raar dat ie lomp is trouwens, meeste mensen die ik ken en in het leger zitten zijn allesbehalve tokkies en vaak juist heel netjes.
I´m back.
Nee, het kunnen soms wel simpele figuren zijn, maar tokkies zijn het eigenlijk nooit is mijn ervaring. Maarja, offtopic.quote:
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Zijn allemaal opperofficieren die jij kent?
It's my life, it's now or never, I ain't gonna live forever.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
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Headstrong to take on anyone.
En WOI, Napoleontische oorlogen, Frans-Duitse Oorlog en ga zo maar door.quote:
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
Nou eh ik ken alleen maar een soort eh... erg arbeideristische types, hier in de buurt, die in het leger zitten... de rangen ken ik niet, maar volgens mij geen opperofficieren iig.quote:Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 12:00 schreef IkStampOpTacos het volgende:
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Nee, het kunnen soms wel simpele figuren zijn, maar tokkies zijn het eigenlijk nooit is mijn ervaring. Maarja, offtopic.
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Ja, zoveel, maar ik denk ik noem meteen maar een aansprekelijk voorbeeld...quote:
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En WOI, Napoleontische oorlogen, Frans-Duitse Oorlog en ga zo maar door.
I´m back.
Puur religieuze oorlogen zijn sowieso zeldzaam, als het al wordt gebruikt in de propaganda blijken er doorgaans andere redenen te zijn. Niemand wil vechten voor een opperwezen, wel voor rijkdom, land, familie etc.quote:
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En WOI, Napoleontische oorlogen, Frans-Duitse Oorlog en ga zo maar door.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
http://m.washingtonpost.c(...)c09410972_story.htmlquote:After Syria chemical allegations, Obama considering limited military strike
President Obama is weighing a military strike against Syria that would be of limited scope and duration, designed to serve as punishment for Syria’s use of chemical weapons and as a deterrent, while keeping the United States out of deeper involvement in that country’s civil war, according to senior administration officials.
http://english.alarabiya.(...)ns-within-hours.htmlquote:Opposition figure: major decisions on Syria expected within hours
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Zo'n soort offensief verwachtte ik ook. Ben benieuwd hoe lang nog tot de Tomahawks gaan vliegen.quote:
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http://m.washingtonpost.c(...)c09410972_story.html
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http://english.alarabiya.(...)ns-within-hours.html
Tja, wat gaat dat brengen... "Limited scope and duration".quote:
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http://m.washingtonpost.c(...)c09410972_story.html
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http://english.alarabiya.(...)ns-within-hours.html
Da's een beetje hetzelfde als een wijf neuken maar op voorhand beslissen dat je niet klaar gaat komen.
Brengt niet echt veel mijn inziens. Overigens vind ik het een duivels dilemma om een besluit te nemen.
Met het omver werpen van het regime van Assad breng je wellicht nog meer ellende teweeg. Zie Irak & Afghanistan, is dat zoveel veiliger geworden? Wie zegt niet dat die rebellen achter die gifgas aanval zitten?
Aan de andere kant, we kunnen toch niet toe blijven kijken hoe onschuldige kinderen slachtoffer worden en dagelijks sterven?
Zo moeilijk....
Welke 10 landen beslissen er momenteel over het ingrijpen in Syrië?
US, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada.
http://www.dailystar.com.(...)syria-in-jordan.ashx
Uitkomst binnen enkele uren!
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)ex.html?eref=edition
US, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada.
http://www.dailystar.com.(...)syria-in-jordan.ashx
Uitkomst binnen enkele uren!
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)ex.html?eref=edition
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twitter:NavyRecognition twitterde op dinsdag 27-08-2013 om 12:05:45 #French #Navy deploying Charles de Gaulle #AircraftCarrier in the Mediterranean http://t.co/bIyLH0fADL #Syria reageer retweet
"Militaire leiders bereiken consensus over aanval op Syrië"
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)anval-op-Syrie.dhtml
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)anval-op-Syrie.dhtml
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Waarom Italie?quote:
Welke 10 landen beslissen er momenteel over het ingrijpen in Syrië?
US, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada.
http://www.dailystar.com.(...)syria-in-jordan.ashx
Uitkomst binnen enkele uren!
Geen idee.quote:
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Waarom niet? Hoe meer zielen hoe meer vreugd.quote:
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Omdat Italië nog steeds de illusie heeft dat ze iets te zeggen hebben?quote:
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
Mijn antwoord!quote:
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Omdat Italië nog steeds de illusie heeft dat ze iets te zeggen hebben?
Ja, net als alle andere Europese landen, de VS, China, Rusland. Niemand heeft wat te zeggen.quote:
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Omdat Italië nog steeds de illusie heeft dat ze iets te zeggen hebben?
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
Italianen vormen uitstekend kannonenvoer, uitgezonderd hun moeder is er niemand die ze echt mistquote:
Rik: Hey guys, wouldn't it be AMAZING if all this money was real?
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
Vyvyan: Rik, that is the single most predictable and BORING thing anyone could ever say whilst playing Monopoly.
Tekenend. Een collega zojuist: "Binnen 48 uur duidelijkheid over.." En toen klonk de naam van één of andere voetballer.
Ik verwachtte iets anders te horen. Syrië is niet zo boeiend, kennelijk.
Ik verwachtte iets anders te horen. Syrië is niet zo boeiend, kennelijk.
Gareth Balequote:
Tekenend. Een collega zojuist: "Binnen 48 uur duidelijkheid over.." En toen klonk de naam van één of andere voetballer.
Ik verwachtte iets anders te horen. Syrië is niet zo boeiend, kennelijk.
Miljoenentransfer, duurste ooit
Zonder wrijving geen glans
Die dusquote:
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Gareth Bale
Miljoenentransfer, duurste ooit
Knal er maar met de Iskander op 
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"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Italië neemt zonder VN-mandaat niet deel aan interventie
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)an-interventie.dhtml
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)an-interventie.dhtml
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
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Tekenend. Een collega zojuist: "Binnen 48 uur duidelijkheid over.." En toen klonk de naam van één of andere voetballer.
Ik verwachtte iets anders te horen. Syrië is niet zo boeiend, kennelijk.
Nee, Rooney... althans, Chelsea wilde binnen 48 uur duidelijkheid van Rooneyquote:
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Gareth Bale
Miljoenentransfer, duurste ooit
Zoiets was het, maar goed, das niet over Syrie...
Maar het ging hier net in de pauze wel degelijk over Syrie, viel me alweer mee
Oorlog van de Spaanse Troonopvolging, Amerikaanse Burgeroorlog, de Hollandse Oorlog, allezeven de oorlogen tussen Engeland en Nederland, de Honderdjarige Oorlog, de Dertigjarige Oorlog...quote:
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En WOI, Napoleontische oorlogen, Frans-Duitse Oorlog en ga zo maar door.
Is definitief vertrokken na een ban voor het opstaan tegen slechteriken
“The [weapons inspection] team must be able to conduct a full, thorough and unimpeded investigation,” said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Sunday night. However, the team is only mandated to determine if chemical weapons were used, not who used them, Mr. Ban’s spokesman said.
lekker handig voor de US...gaan ze onderzoeken of er gebruikt is maar niet door wie....
lekker handig voor de US...gaan ze onderzoeken of er gebruikt is maar niet door wie....
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Ja, Bale is best goed maar 100 miljoen? Lastig.
quote:di 27 aug 2013, 13:01
'Obama overweegt beperkte aanval'
WASHINGTON -
De Amerikaanse president Barack Obama overweegt een kleinschalige en korte militaire aanval op Syrië. Dat meldt de doorgaans goed ingevoerde Amerikaanse krant The Washington Post dinsdag op basis van anonieme regeringsbronnen.
De actie zou vooral zijn bedoeld als straf en afschrikking voor de inzet van chemische wapens. Het Syrische regime heeft die volgens de Amerikanen vorige week bij Damascus gebruikt tegen burgers.
Het is de bedoeling dat Amerika niet verder betrokken raakt bij de burgeroorlog in het Syrische land, aldus de bronnen.
De Amerikaanse aanval zou niet meer dan twee dagen duren en gericht zijn op militaire doelen, ook doelen die niet per se verband houden met het vermeende arsenaal aan chemische wapens van Syrië. De VS kunnen daarvoor bijvoorbeeld kruisraketten gebruiken of lange afstandsbommenwerpers. In de Middellandse Zee liggen al Amerikaanse oorlogsbodems die uitgerust zijn met kruisraketten.
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Van onder naar boven:
quote:Nasser Atta @nasseratta5
#Syria-n FM - the UN team was a clear saying its not late and we can issue an accurate report, this is against what the US, UK is saying
#Syria-n FM 'Saturday the UN asked to visit , Sunday we had an agreement with the UN , and Monday they visited Gouta, why we are late.
-Kerry told me it’s in your interest of Syrian government to allow the visit, when the UN asked us , we gave our approval in the same day.
#Syria-n FM -Kerry spoke with me after 2yrs without any communication, he was friendly & he asked me to allow the UN team to visit Gouhta.
#Syria-n FM ‘Syria is not easy to swallow, and we will surprise every one , with what we have, when we defend our self if we are attacked'
Syrian FM ‘ #Syria has the evidence, who used the CW in Gouta and we will reveal the evidence at the right time’.
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en-maktoob.news.yahoo.comquote:(Repeats story with no changes)
* Rebel army has blessing of main backer Saudi Arabia
* Hardline rebels say army is a Western-backed plan to fight them
* Some say body will be ineffective
* New army may be launched in the south
By Mariam Karouny
BEIRUT, Aug 25 (Reuters) - Syria's Western-backed political opposition plans to create the nucleus of a national army to bring order to the disparate rebel forces battling President Bashar al-Assad and counter the strength of al Qaeda-linked rebel brigades.
The latest attempt to unite the rebels coincides with fierce debates in Washington and other Western capitals over whether and how to boost support for Assad's opponents after an alleged chemical weapons attack by government forces on Wednesday.
Chaos among opposition forces and al-Qaeda's growing role are barriers to any intervention.
Plans for an army are still under wraps but details began emerging earlier this month before the gas attack. It has the blessing of the rebels' patron Saudi Arabia, which took over as the main regional backer of Assad's foes earlier this year.
"It is very serious. It will be a proper army. The future of Syria depends on this move," said a senior member of Syria's opposition National Coalition, which hopes to set up the force.
Momentum behind the new force comes from Saudi Arabia and Western nations who, alarmed by the growth of radical Islamists in rebel-held areas, have thrown their weight behind the Syrian Coalition, hoping it could help stem their power.
"Once we get the (battle)field organised, then everything will be organised," he said. "This will be the army of the new Syria. We want to integrate its ranks and unify the sources of funding and arms," the Syrian National Coalition member said.
Saudi Arabia has prevailed over Qatar to impose itself as the main outside force supporting the Syrian rebels, in part to counter the influence of Qatari-backed Islamist militants.
Riyadh has put forward $100 million as preliminary funding for a force planned to be 6,000 to 10,000 strong, rebels say.
Sources in the Coalition said the aim was to form a core of several thousand well-trained fighters that would also serve as the base for a bigger national army once Assad was toppled, avoiding a military vacuum and anarchy.
More than two years of a revolt-turned civil war have turned Syria into a magnet for jihadists from across the world, fuelling fears foreign military assistance might fall into the hands of fighters hostile to the West.
That has served only to strengthen the hand of Islamist brigades whose regional backers, many of them private Gulf donors, have been more forthcoming with support.
In recent weeks, al Qaeda-linked groups attacked several Alawite villages in the coastal province of Latakia, Assad's stronghold. They also seized a strategic airport in Aleppo province that Syrian rebels failed for months to take.
Fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and the al-Nusra Front, both of which acknowledge the authority of al Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahri, are now the ultimate rulers in many rebel-held towns.
The authority of the Supreme Military Council - the latest body that Western and Gulf powers have promoted as a moderate, unified rebel command - is increasingly challenged by radical Islamists and foreign jihadists, most recently when an Iraqi Islamist killed one of its senior commanders.
The Military Council demanded that the man, Abu Ayman al-Iraqi, be arrested, but he remains at large, playing a prominent role in rebel campaigns.
ISLAMISTS OPPOSED
Rebel commanders contacted by Reuters in Aleppo, Idlib, Raqqa, Homs and Damascus said they feared the new army would deepen divisions among rebels and lead to further infighting. Comments from Islamists played into those fears.
"The real goal behind this army is that they want to fight Islamists," said a commander of a powerful Islamist brigade in Idlib province. "It's an open game. They will not announce it now or immediately, but this is the long term for it ... We will not join, for sure. Not only us, but many others, too."
A source in Aleppo close to al-Nusra Front said: "With every passing day, those living outside are becoming tools to the West ... They fear Islam and see it as the enemy. Unfortunately, some Syrians are falling into this trap."
Western-backed rebels say the new structure might be modelled on U.S.-backed militias, known as "Awakening Councils", which drove al Qaeda from Iraq's Anbar region six years ago.
The leader of one moderate Islamist brigade, which operates in several parts of the country, said he supported the proposal, but would not say if his fighters would join.
Leaders of more radical groups see it as a Western-backed plot to fight them. "They are undermining the work of all of us. They want to throw it in the bin, as if it never happened," said a senior commander in Homs province.
Opposition political sources were careful not to portray the new army as a challenge to Islamists, but a senior official said it would only welcome them if they left their brigades.
"This will be an army like any other army in the world. When you join it you leave your beliefs outside. Islamists can join as individuals, not as Islamists."
The new body is not an alliance of brigades, as in previous attempts to unify insurgency groups; individual fighters will be expected to leave their units to sign up.
The Homs commander said that showed the real intention was to dismantle the Islamist units. "This thing is very suspicious," he said.
Many Syrians initially welcomed the Islamists for bringing order to the chaos of rebel-held territories, but growing resentment of their puritanical rule could win popular sympathy for any new force that challenges them.
Activists in the northern, rebel-held provinces, where Islamists are most powerful, say those criticising the Islamists are threatened or imprisoned.
"We have challenged Assad when he was strong, and now we are being bullied by radicals who are not even Syrians in our Syria," said an activist in Aleppo who declined to be named.
With weapons and money flooding into the country, a class of warlords has emerged, including Islamists, who have grown powerful on arms deals and oil smuggling. Activists in the north complain of high levels of theft, bullying and thuggery.
"With this army the Coalition will have a military force on the ground, one that is composed of the best Syrian fighters," said a Syrian rebel commander in a powerful brigade that has fighters across Syria.
Coalition leader Ahmed Jarba "wants to strike with an iron fist", he said, adding that the Saudi-backed Jarba wanted all weapons entering Syria to be overseen by his coalition.
However, the al Qaeda-linked rebels control many border crossings in the north, giving them strong influence over what enters the country and who gets hold of it.
The proposed new force must also overcome the same scepticism many fighters feel towards the Military Council.
A rebel commander in the north-eastern Raqqa province, voicing widely shared views, dismissed the body as ineffective and subject to foreign influence.
"They do not have a presence on the ground. They left us on our own. When we need them, they are not here, and then they come and ask us: Where are you getting your funding from? Well, not from you for sure.
"They are only performing external agendas. They don't know what is happening inside; their people tell them Islamists are the enemies, you need to fight them to get funding, so they come to us and they say: Yes, let's fight Islamists."
LAUNCHING FROM THE SOUTH
Sources say the army will be launched, at a date yet to be fixed, in Deraa, the southern province that was the cradle of the 2011 uprising and where the presence of jihadists is still relatively weak.
Jordan is now playing a bigger role in helping the rebels and is more flexible in allowing weapons to enter the southern front, the sources said. A military operations room to oversee the battle in the south is now in Jordan and includes Saudi, Syrian and American officers.
One of the sources said Manaf Tlas, a senior army officer and former friend of Assad who defected last year, is also a member of the joint operation room. He is close to Jarba and has good ties to Saudi Arabia. His name has been floated as the chief of the new army.
But many rebels distrust Tlas because he waited months before defecting, and his father served as defence minister under Assad and his father, Hafez al-Assad, for three decades.
A Coalition official declined to say whether Tlas would head the new army but said he would welcome him having a role. "The man has been an advocate of this from the beginning."
However, an Islamist commander in Aleppo said Tlas's leadership would be "another reason why we will not join".
In the meantime, most agree that the disparate groups should work together, at least in temporary alliances against Assad's troops. But they share a scepticism that the new group will ever see the light of day, or have much impact if it does.
"During this revolution we have seen many great ideas and many great attempts destroyed because of mismanagement. The Free Syrian Army is an example of this. As long as the roots of the problems are not solved, then nothing will change."
"They are all failed projects; there is no awareness among those leading this revolution and also there is no clear strategy. In addition to this you have got the hesitation from the West. As long as this continues, this will be a failed project." (Editing by Dominic Evans, Will Waterman and Philippa Fletcher)
