Crisis in Syrië #35: De vraag is: Wanneer?

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE84G18M20120517

(Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.

"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.

"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."

Medvedev gave no further explanation. Nuclear-armed Russia has said publicly that it is under no obligation to protect Syria if it is attacked, and analysts and diplomats say Russia would not get involved in military action if Iran were attacked.

Russia has adamantly urged Western nations not to attack Iran to neutralize its nuclear program or intervene against the Syrian government over bloodshed in which the United Nations says its forces have killed more than 9,000 people.

Medvedev will represent Russia at the Group of Eight summit in place of Putin, whose decision to stay away from the meeting in the United States was seen as muscle-flexing in the face of the West.

Putin said previously that threats will only encourage Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Analysts have said that Medvedev also meant that regional nuclear powers such as Israel, Pakistan and India could get involved into a conflict.

As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorized NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticized when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".

Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.

Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.

Since Putin announced plans last September to seek a third presidential term and make Medvedev prime minister, Russia has vetoed two Security Council resolutions condemning Assad's government, one of which would have called on him to cede power.

Russia's G8 liaison Arkady Dvorkovich said Russia will try to influence the final version of the G8 statement at a summit in Camp David this weekend to avoid a "one-sided" approach that would favor the Syrian opposition.

"In the G8 final statement we would like to avoid the recommendations similar to those which were forced upon during the preparations of the U.N. Security Council resolutions," Dvorkovich said. "A one-sided signal is not acceptable for us."

Russia successfully managed to water down the part of the statement on Syria at a G8 summit in France in May 2011, removing the calls for action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"We believe that the United Nations is the main venue to discussing such issues," Dvorkovich said.

LAST APPEARANCE

The G8 summit is likely to be the last appearance among all the leaders of industrialized nations for Medvedev, who embraced U.S. President Barack Obama's "reset", improving strained ties between the nations.

Dvorkovich said Putin's absence from the summit, the first time a Russian president has skipped one, would not affect the outcome: "All the leaders, I saw their reaction, are ready to comprehensively work with the chairman of the government (Medvedev)."

Dvorkovich said that at a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, Medvedev will raise opposition to attempts by some U.S. lawmakers to introduce legislation which will address human rights violations in Russia.

Such legislation could take a form of the so-called Sergei Magnitsky bill, named after the Russian lawyer who died in prison in 2009. The Kremlin human rights council says he was probably beaten to death.

The bill would require the United States to deny visas and freeze the assets of Russians or others with links to his detention and death as well as those who commit other human rights violations.

"New legislation which will address new political issues as imagined by some U.S. congressmen or senators is unacceptable," Dvorkovich said, promising a retaliation.

(Editing by Michael Roddy)

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Op maandag 26 augustus 2013 22:54 schreef Northside het volgende:

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Je focust op de verkeerde dingen. De vraag zou zijn of Israëls buitenlandse beleid een goede reden is om nu in te grijpen in Syrië.

Of: als Assad zo'n wrede tiran is, waarom laten we hem dan al 40 jaar z'n gang gaan?

Eerste grofweg 20 jaar, omdat het een bondgenoot was van de Sovjet-Unie.
Vanaf 2001 zal meegespeeld hebben, omdat het moslimfundamentalisme onderdrukte.
Natuurlijk deed het wel weer Hezbollah steunen in Libanon en over het algemeen was het een destabiliserende factor in Libanon, dus dat was wel een minpuntje. Echter de afgelopen jaren was daar al weer verandering in gekomen, in de zin dat hoewel hun claim op de hoogte van Golan bleef bestaan, ze hun invloed in Libanon indamden.
Tegenwoordig speelt uiteraard ook mee dat het een bondgenoot is van Rusland, China en Iran.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Ryan3 op 27-08-2013 08:21:30 ]

Nobelprijs winnaar Obomma en de rest van het kliekje leugenaars wil per se oorlog.

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 01:42 schreef Ali_boo het volgende:
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE84G18M20120517

(Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned on Thursday that military action against sovereign states could lead to a regional nuclear war, starkly voicing Moscow's opposition to Western intervention ahead of a G8 summit at which Syria and Iran will be discussed.

"Hasty military operations in foreign states usually bring radicals to power," Medvedev, president for four years until Vladimir Putin's inauguration on May 7, told a conference in St. Petersburg in remarks posted on the government's website.

"At some point such actions which undermine state sovereignty may lead to a full-scale regional war, even, although I do not want to frighten anyone, with the use of nuclear weapons," Medvedev said. "Everyone should bear this in mind."

Medvedev gave no further explanation. Nuclear-armed Russia has said publicly that it is under no obligation to protect Syria if it is attacked, and analysts and diplomats say Russia would not get involved in military action if Iran were attacked.

Russia has adamantly urged Western nations not to attack Iran to neutralize its nuclear program or intervene against the Syrian government over bloodshed in which the United Nations says its forces have killed more than 9,000 people.

Medvedev will represent Russia at the Group of Eight summit in place of Putin, whose decision to stay away from the meeting in the United States was seen as muscle-flexing in the face of the West.

Putin said previously that threats will only encourage Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Analysts have said that Medvedev also meant that regional nuclear powers such as Israel, Pakistan and India could get involved into a conflict.

As president, Medvedev instructed Russia to abstain in a U.N. Security Council vote on a resolution that authorized NATO intervention in Libya, a decision Putin implicitly criticized when he likened the resolution to "medieval calls for crusades".

Medvedev rebuked Putin for the remark, and some Kremlin insiders have said the confrontation over Libya was a factor in Putin's decision to return to the presidency this year instead of letting his junior partner seek a second term.

Russia has since accused NATO of overstepping its mandate under the resolution to help rebels oust long-time leader Muammar Gaddafi, and has warned it will not let anything similar happen in Syria.

Since Putin announced plans last September to seek a third presidential term and make Medvedev prime minister, Russia has vetoed two Security Council resolutions condemning Assad's government, one of which would have called on him to cede power.

Russia's G8 liaison Arkady Dvorkovich said Russia will try to influence the final version of the G8 statement at a summit in Camp David this weekend to avoid a "one-sided" approach that would favor the Syrian opposition.

"In the G8 final statement we would like to avoid the recommendations similar to those which were forced upon during the preparations of the U.N. Security Council resolutions," Dvorkovich said. "A one-sided signal is not acceptable for us."

Russia successfully managed to water down the part of the statement on Syria at a G8 summit in France in May 2011, removing the calls for action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"We believe that the United Nations is the main venue to discussing such issues," Dvorkovich said.

LAST APPEARANCE

The G8 summit is likely to be the last appearance among all the leaders of industrialized nations for Medvedev, who embraced U.S. President Barack Obama's "reset", improving strained ties between the nations.

Dvorkovich said Putin's absence from the summit, the first time a Russian president has skipped one, would not affect the outcome: "All the leaders, I saw their reaction, are ready to comprehensively work with the chairman of the government (Medvedev)."

Dvorkovich said that at a bilateral meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, Medvedev will raise opposition to attempts by some U.S. lawmakers to introduce legislation which will address human rights violations in Russia.

Such legislation could take a form of the so-called Sergei Magnitsky bill, named after the Russian lawyer who died in prison in 2009. The Kremlin human rights council says he was probably beaten to death.

The bill would require the United States to deny visas and freeze the assets of Russians or others with links to his detention and death as well as those who commit other human rights violations.

"New legislation which will address new political issues as imagined by some U.S. congressmen or senators is unacceptable," Dvorkovich said, promising a retaliation.

(Editing by Michael Roddy)

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US-Russia meeting on Syria cancelled, AP source
Last modified: 27 Aug 2013 05:45

The US State Department says it is postponing a meeting with Russian diplomats on Syria this week.

The meeting at The Hague was about setting up an international conference to find a political resolution to the Syrian crisis.

A senior State Department official said on Monday the meeting between Undersecretary Wendy Sherman and US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford with their Russian counterparts was canceled because of the ongoing US review about alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria.

The US says it has evidence that it is very likely chemical weapons were used by the government of Bashar Assad. The US official said the meeting will be rescheduled because a political solution is still needed in Syria.

The official was not authorised to publicly confirm the cancellation and spoke on condition of anonymity.

- AP

http://blogs.aljazeera.co(...)-cancelled-ap-source

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Less popular than Nixon during Watergate: Our potential Syria intervention!
If Obama moves ahead in Syria, he'll have less of the public behind him than in any other military intervention

http://www.salon.com/2013(...)_syria_intervention/

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 08:27 schreef Walder_Frey het volgende:
Nobelprijs winnaar Obomma en de rest van het kliekje leugenaars wil per se oorlog.

Wie zegt dat? Dat is toch nog helemaal niet zeker?

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 08:58 schreef DeToffifee het volgende:

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Wie zegt dat? Dat is toch nog helemaal niet zeker?

Morgen weten we het, vandaag is de laatste dag van de militaire top tussen de imperialisten.

De Verenigde Staten hebben een ontmoeting met Rusland over Syrië afgezegd. Diplomaten van beide landen zouden morgen in Den Haag over de ontwikkelingen in Syrië praten, als voorbereiding op een internationale vredesconferentie in Genève.

http://nos.nl/artikel/544(...)-met-rusland-af.html

Okee precies, maar zeker is er nog iets allerminst.

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The US says it has evidence that it is very likely chemical weapons were used by the government of Bashar Assad. The US official said the meeting will be rescheduled because a political solution is still needed in Syria.

Komt bekend voor

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The US says it has evidence that it is very likely that Iraq has WMDs.

Hoe is het nou btw met die gasaanval van gisteravond, staat niets over in het nieuws? In Aleppo, geloof ik.

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:20 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Hoe is het nou btw met die gasaanval van gisteravond, staat niets over in het nieuws? In Aleppo, geloof ik.

Erg vreemd inderdaad. Traditionele media lopen weer eens hopeloos achter de feiten aan.

ff wachten tot na overmorgen! Dan komen Israelische familieleden voor 5 weken in m,n huis logeren

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:35 schreef Disorder het volgende:

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Erg vreemd inderdaad. Traditionele media lopen weer eens hopeloos achter de feiten aan.

Dat is wel echt dan?
Ik lees er niets over iig.

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Toch zullen de VN-inspecteurs zich niet wagen aan een uitspraak over de schuldvraag. 'Het gaat louter om de toedracht. Die moet objectief worden vastgesteld. Met de schuldvraag kom je op politiek terrein en die wordt vanzelf door de belanghebbenden ingekleurd.'

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/10(...)eek-verdoezeld.dhtml

De VN inspecteurs gaan geen antwoord geven over de schuldvraag.

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Syria, the military view: A short sharp series of air strikes is the Wests likely involvement in this vicious civil war

But, with political and military leaders at least in agreement that there must not be Western boots on Syrian ground (with the possible exception of special forces) an air war is the likely scenario. And despite General Dempseys warning about being committed decisively, defence sources point towards an extremely sharp, but relatively short series of assaults.

http://www.independent.co(...)vil-war-8785051.html

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:38 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Dat is wel echt dan?
Ik lees er niets over iig.

Ik zag gisteravond een stuk of 3 filmpjes op youtube voorbij komen. Mensen met brandwonden, zo leek het. Wit fosfor misschien?

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:44 schreef Disorder het volgende:

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Ik zag gisteravond een stuk of 3 filmpjes op youtube voorbij komen. Mensen met brandwonden, zo leek het. Wit fosfor misschien?

Ja, klopt ja, ik reageerde nog met: 'Jezus Christus zeg', maar waar is het bericht in de media nu?

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:46 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Ja, klopt ja, ik reageerde nog met: 'Jezus Christus zeg', maar waar is het bericht in de media nu?

Het probleem is dat al die filmpjes niet geverifieerd kunnen worden.

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Syria crisis: warplanes spotted in Cyprus as tensions rise in Damascus

Signs of advanced readiness at likely hub of air campaign as UN inspection team comes under fire near site of alleged chemical attack

http://www.theguardian.co(...)-damascus?CMP=twt_gu

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 09:51 schreef -jos- het volgende:

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Het probleem is dat al die filmpjes niet geverifieerd kunnen worden.

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http://www.theguardian.co(...)-damascus?CMP=twt_gu

The fog of war... en nu met al die media nog meer dan ooit in WO1 bwvs...

Goede afleiding voor situatie Egypte.

Iran warns against strike on Syria after gas attack

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBRE97Q08D20130827

Spannend daar.

Allemaal maar gedreig natuurlijk, tenzij ze (Rusland, China, Iran) bereid zijn kernwapens in te zetten, maar toch geloof ik dat niet... Zeker niet van Rusland trouwens. Iran heeft nog geen kernwapens en China gaat zijn handen er niet aan branden...

Religion kills humanity...

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Op dinsdag 27 augustus 2013 10:57 schreef 3-voud het volgende:
Religion kills humanity...

Dat is ook weer overdreven om te stellen, vanuit historisch perspectief zitten er echt wel interessante aspekten aan de Abrahamistische religies... zo waren ze humanistischer dan de animistische religies die men daarvoor had...
Ik zou eerder willen zeggen dat absolutisme icm sektarisme humanity kills...
En armoede en de gevolgen (om het op te heffen dan wel te prolongeren) daarvan natuurlijk...

Nu zien jullie zelf trouwens eens hoe het nieuws op de tv word 'gemaakt'.

Amerika weet helemaal niks zeker, zuigt letterlijk waar je bijstaat uit haar duim dat het assad is en het nos journaal neemt dat geforceerd over en brengt het als feit.