Hong Kong --- Fuck you --> USA, Snowden veilig naar ???

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 08:41 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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Waarom blijft hij niet gewoon in Rusland. Die levert toch ook niet uit?

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 12:38 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
Hmmm die maken te graag gebruik van mensen en zijn zelf ook helemaal niet dol op klokkeluiders...
Ik zou daar ook niet wilen blijven. Stel ze willenn hem gaan ruilen voor iemand waar ze zelf veel interesse in hebben ? Daar acht ze best toe in staat.

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Waar is Snowden?
Volgens correspondent Olaf Koens is het grote speculeren begonnen over de vraag waar Snowden op dit moment is. "Waanzinnig. De journalisten zijn aan boord van het vliegtuig dat hen in 12 uur naar Cuba brengt. Maar zonder Snowden, heeft een security guard van Aerflot bevestigd. Geen scoop van de eeuw dus. Joost mag weten waar Snowden is. Er wordt gespeculeerd dat hij helemaal niet in Moskou is tot verhalen dat hij tussen de bagage zou zitten

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For Snowden, a Sudden Departure from Hong Kong

HONG KONG — For Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who has acknowledged leaking numerous documents about American surveillance operations around the world, the path to a sudden departure from Hong Kong late Sunday morning began over a dinner last Tuesday of a large pizza, fried chicken and sausages, washed down with Pepsi.

Albert Ho, one of Mr. Snowden’s lawyers, said that before the dinner began, Mr. Snowden insisted that everyone hide their cellphones in the refrigerator of the home where he was staying, to block any eavesdropping. Then began a two-hour conversation during which Mr. Snowden was deeply dismayed to learn that he could spend years in prison without access to a computer during litigation over whether he would be granted asylum here or surrendered to the United States, Mr. Ho said.

Staying cooped up in the cramped Hong Kong home of a local supporter was not bothersome to Mr. Snowden, but the prospect of losing his computer scared him.

“He didn’t go out, he spent all his time inside a tiny space, but he said it was O.K. because he had his computer,” Mr. Ho said. “If you were to deprive him of his computer, that would be totally intolerable.”

The outcome of that meeting, Mr. Ho said, was a decision by Mr. Snowden by Friday morning to have Mr. Ho pose two questions to the Hong Kong government: would he be released on bail if he were detained in Hong Kong at the request of the United States, and would the Hong Kong government interfere if Mr. Snowden tried to go to the airport and leave Hong Kong instead.

A person with a detailed knowledge of the Hong Kong government’s deliberations said that the government had been delighted to receive the questions. Leung Chun-ying, the chief executive, and his top advisers had been struggling through numerous meetings for days, canceling or postponing most other meetings, while trying to decide what to do in response to an American request for Mr. Snowden’s detention, even as public opinion in Hong Kong seemed to favor protecting the fugitive.

But Mr. Snowden’s choice of Mr. Ho to represent him raised a problem, said the person knowledgeable about the government’s deliberations, who insisted on anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivities in the case. Mr. Ho, a member of the territory’s legislature for nearly 20 years, is a former chairman of the Democratic Party and a longtime campaigner for full democracy here, to the irritation of government leaders of the territory, which was returned by Britain to China in 1997.

“The Hong Kong government doesn’t trust him,” the person said, adding that the Hong Kong government also did not want to be involved in any direct negotiations with Mr. Snowden. So the government found an intermediary, someone with longstanding connections to the local government but not in office, to bypass Mr. Ho and contact Mr. Snowden through someone in the Hong Kong community who was helping Mr. Snowden.

The intermediary told Mr. Snowden Friday night that the government could not predict what Hong Kong’s independent judiciary would do, but that serving jail time while awaiting trial was a possibility. The intermediary also said that the Hong Kong government would welcome Mr. Snowden’s departure, Mr. Ho and the person who insisted on anonymity said. Both declined to identify the intermediary.

The Hong Kong government said that it would not interfere with Mr. Snowden’s departure and even provided unobtrusive police protection for him as he went through the airport, both of them said.

But, Mr. Ho said, Mr. Snowden went through the same security and immigration channels as most passengers at the airport, rather than a special channel usually used for people involved in highly political cases — a sign that the Hong Kong government wanted to minimize its involvement in Mr. Snowden’s departure.

At the same time, the Hong Kong government’s encouragement for Mr. Snowden to leave, instead of a suggestion that he stay and fight any return to the United States, had persuaded him that staying was risky because the Hong Kong government might not be on his side. “He would not like to fight with the Hong Kong government, with the Chinese government and the U.S. government” against him, Mr. Ho said.

Bron: www.nytimes.com

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“He didn’t go out, he spent all his time inside a tiny space, but he said it was O.K. because he had his computer,” Mr. Ho said. “If you were to deprive him of his computer, that would be totally intolerable.”

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 16:03 schreef WammesWaggel het volgende:

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Weet iemand zijn nick hier op Fok! ?

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Assange: we are aware of where Snowden is, he is safe and "his spirits are high". We cannot reveal what country he is in at this time.

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Snowden should not come to Iceland unless he will request and be granted citizenship by the Icelandic Parliament. Citizenship is the only legal protection that will shelter him from any demands of extradition to the USA.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:11 schreef RetepV het volgende:
Ze houden de hele boel voor de gek en denken dat ze er mee weg kunnen komen. Iemand moest een grens stellen, en het is moedig van China om die grens neer te zetten.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:13 schreef Kowloon het volgende:

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Maak je geen illusies hoor, de Chinese overheid is echt geen haar beter dan de Amerikaanse overheid.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:22 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Dat.

En als je vertrouwelijke documenten illegaal kopieert en online gooit, gaat elke werkgever achter je aan. En volkomen terecht.

Die adoratie voor een ordinaire dief en verklikker Snowden gaat maar door.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:23 schreef Nemephis het volgende:

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Maar massaal alles afluisteren is dan weer wel goed zeker?

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:22 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Dat.

En als je vertrouwelijke documenten illegaal kopieert en online gooit, gaat elke werkgever achter je aan. En volkomen terecht.

Die adoratie voor een ordinaire dief en verklikker Snowden gaat maar door.

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KimDotcom twitterde op zondag 23-06-2013 om 21:18:42 An email you author is your copyright. When the US makes an unauthorized copy & distributes it to its partners that's copyright infringement reageer retweet

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KimDotcom twitterde op zondag 23-06-2013 om 21:22:31 The largest copyright infringer in the world is the U.S. govt. Take them down, seize their assets & extradite its executives. reageer retweet

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:26 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Dat is irrelevant.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:28 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:30 schreef PoezeligDing het volgende:
Ik verbaas mij er over dat men hier nog denkt dat Snowden iets meldt wat men zelf al niet wist.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:28 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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KimDotcom twitterde op zondag 23-06-2013 om 21:18:42 An email you author is your copyright. When the US makes an unauthorized copy & distributes it to its partners that's copyright infringement reageer retweet

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KimDotcom twitterde op zondag 23-06-2013 om 21:22:31 The largest copyright infringer in the world is the U.S. govt. Take them down, seize their assets & extradite its executives. reageer retweet

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:31 schreef El_Matador het volgende:

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Hij meldt iets aan de verkeerde personen.

Werkt de US regering netjes? Nee, en inderdaad, dat wisten we al. Maar dat geeft een ander niet het recht zaken te stelen en te publiceren.

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Op maandag 24 juni 2013 20:33 schreef PoezeligDing het volgende:

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Wie zijn die 'verkeerde personen'?