"Paranormaal begaafde" mensen

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Medium Robbert van den Broeke was afgelopen zondag te gast. Inmiddels een vaste Life & Cooking gast en onze deskundige voor zaken tussen hemel en aarde.

De ervaringen met het fenomeen graancirkels zijn voor Robbert al lang niet nieuw meer. Op een dag merkte Robbert dat er een zeer grote drang bij hem ontstond om naar de akker achter hun huis te lopen. Toen Robbert daar aankwam, zag hij vanuit zijn ooghoek een flits. Het was een lichtbol ter grootte van een voetbal, die boven het graanveld zweefde. Hij wilde er op aflopen, maar viel flauw.

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Robbert is er van overtuigd dat de cirkels in de akkers door de lichtbollen worden gemaakt en dat die lichtbollen bewustzijn hebben. Hij beschouwt ze als een energiebron geladen met geestelijke energie.

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2005 14:38 schreef clowncloon het volgende:
Dus jij verwacht een kritisch antwoord van Carlo & Irene

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en dan val jij die jongen aan? uh...reality check!

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Verdiep je eens in die jongen in plaats van zo onwetend te blaten vriend.

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2005 19:33 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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**Dat jij niet in bepaade dingen geloofd wil nog niet zeggen dat iemand anders dan ziek is.

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2005 22:33 schreef Moonah het volgende:

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Juist, je zegt het zelf al. In God geloven valt binnen 'de norm'.
Ik vind je tirade tegen 'het paranormale' nogal overtrokken.
Ben je er bang voor ofzo?

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2005 23:54 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Dit soort dingen is ook lachwekkend.
Maar om nou maar gelijk mensen die geloven in het paranormale als psygisch in de war te bestempelen slaat ook nergens op.

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2005 23:57 schreef Italo het volgende:
Huillie

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 00:04 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 00:17 schreef Biancavia het volgende:

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Zo heb ik tussen het aurafotograferen en automatisch schrijven kennisgemaakt met het fenomeen 'oorkaarsen'

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 00:48 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Iemand die in god geloofd is er ook heilig van overtuigd wat er allemaal in de bijbel geschreven staat. Was jij erbij? Was ik erbij?

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Dus wat is het verschil tussen een godsdogma en een medium?
Niet wat jij nou verkondigd.

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Tijdens een psychose is het besef van de realiteit minder en is het onderscheid tussen fantasie en werkelijkheid moeilijk. Daardoor kan iemand waanbeelden (hallucinaties) krijgen. Hierdoor kan iemand denken iemand anders te zijn (bijvoorbeeld God), of denken dat zijn of haar gedachten van buitenaf bestuurd worden.

Zintuiglijke hallucinaties zorgen dat iemand dingen ziet, hoort of ruikt die er niet zijn - bijvoorbeeld stemmen in zijn of haar hoofd horen.

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Voor behandeling van schizofrenie is het van groot belang dat zo snel mogelijk de juiste diagnose gesteld kan worden. Hoe langer de psychose duurt, hoe moeilijker het herstel is.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 01:09 schreef Italo het volgende:

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True true true

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The Forer effect
(a.k.a. the P.T. Barnum effect and subjective validation)

"We have something for everyone." --P.T. Barnum

The Forer or Barnum effect is also known as the subjective validation effect or the personal validation effect.

Psychologist B.R. Forer found that people tend to accept vague and general personality descriptions as uniquely applicable to themselves without realizing that the same description could be applied to just about anyone. Consider the following as if it were given to you as an evaluation of your personality.

You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.

Forer gave a personality test to his students, ignored their answers, and gave each student the above evaluation. He asked them to evaluate the evaluation from 0 to 5, with "5" meaning the recipient felt the evaluation was an "excellent" assessment and "4" meaning the assessment was "good." The class average evaluation was 4.26. That was in 1948. The test has been repeated hundreds of time with psychology students and the average is still around 4.2.

In short, Forer convinced people he could successfully read their character. His accuracy amazed his subjects, though his personality analysis was taken from a newsstand astrology column and was presented to people without regard to their sun sign. The Forer effect seems to explain, in part at least, why so many people think that pseudosciences "work". Astrology, astrotherapy, biorhythms, cartomancy, chiromancy, the enneagram, fortune telling, graphology, etc., seem to work because they seem to provide accurate personality analyses. Scientific studies of these pseudosciences demonstrate that they are not valid personality assessment tools, yet each has many satisfied customers who are convinced they are accurate.

The most common explanations given to account for the Forer effect are in terms of hope, wishful thinking, vanity and the tendency to try to make sense out of experience, though Forer's own explanation was in terms of human gullibility. People tend to accept claims about themselves in proportion to their desire that the claims be true rather than in proportion to the empirical accuracy of the claims as measured by some non-subjective standard. We tend to accept questionable, even false statements about ourselves, if we deem them positive or flattering enough. We will often give very liberal interpretations to vague or inconsistent claims about ourselves in order to make sense out of the claims. Subjects who seek counseling from psychics, mediums, fortune tellers, mind readers, graphologists, etc., will often ignore false or questionable claims and, in many cases, by their own words or actions, will provide most of the information they erroneously attribute to a pseudoscientific counselor. Many such subjects often feel their counselors have provided them with profound and personal information. Such subjective validation, however, is of little scientific value.

Psychologist Barry Beyerstein believes that "hope and uncertainty evoke powerful psychological processes that keep all occult and pseudoscientific character readers in business." We are constantly trying "to make sense out of the barrage of disconnected information we face daily" and "we become so good at filling in to make a reasonable scenario out of disjointed input that we sometimes make sense out of nonsense." We will often fill in the blanks and provide a coherent picture of what we hear and see, even though a careful examination of the evidence would reveal that the data is vague, confusing, obscure, inconsistent and even unintelligible. Psychic mediums, for example, will often ask so many disconnected and ambiguous questions in rapid succession that they give the impression of having access to personal knowledge about their subjects. In fact, the psychic need not have any insights into the subject's personal life; for, the subject will willingly and unknowingly provide all the associations and validations needed. Psychics are aided in this process by using cold reading techniques.

David Marks and Richard Kamman argue that

once a belief or expectation is found, especially one that resolves uncomfortable uncertainty, it biases the observer to notice new information that confirms the belief, and to discount evidence to the contrary. This self-perpetuating mechanism consolidates the original error and builds up an overconfidence in which the arguments of opponents are seen as too fragmentary to undo the adopted belief.

Having a pseudoscientific counselor go over a character assessment with a client is wrought with snares that can easily lead the most well intentioned of persons into error and delusion.

Barry Beyerstein suggests the following test to determine whether the apparent validity of the pseudosciences mentioned above might not be due to the Forer effect, confirmation bias, or other psychological factors. (Note: the proposed test also uses subjective or personal validation and is not intended to test the accuracy of any personality assessment tool, but rather is intended to counteract the tendency to self-deception about such matters.)

…a proper test would first have readings done for a large number of clients and then remove the names from the profiles (coding them so they could later be matched to their rightful owners). After all clients had read all of the anonymous personality sketches, each would be asked to pick the one that described him or her best. If the reader has actually included enough uniquely pertinent material, members of the group, on average, should be able to exceed chance in choosing their own from the pile.

Beyerstein notes that "no occult or pseudoscientific character reading method…has successfully passed such a test."

The Forer effect, however, only partially explains why so many people accept as accurate occult and pseudoscientific character assessment procedures. Cold reading, communal reinforcement, and selective thinking also underlie these delusions. Also, it should be admitted that while many of the assessment claims in a pseudoscientific reading are vague and general, some are specific. Some of those that are specific actually apply to large numbers of people and some, by chance, will be accurate descriptions of a select few. A certain number of specific assessment claims should be expected by chance.

There have been numerous studies done on the Forer effect. Dickson and Kelly have examined many of these studies and concluded that overall there is significant support for the general claim that Forer profiles are generally perceived to be accurate by subjects in the studies. Furthermore, there is an increased acceptance of the profile if it is labeled "for you". Favorable assessments are "more readily accepted as accurate descriptions of subjects' personalities than unfavorable" ones. But unfavorable claims are "more readily accepted when delivered by people with high perceived status than low perceived status." It has also been found that subjects can generally distinguish between statements that are accurate (but would be so for large numbers of people) and those that are unique (accurate for them but not applicable to most people). There is also some evidence that personality variables such as neuroticism, need for approval, and authoritarianism are positively related to belief in Forer-like profiles.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 01:45 schreef Joana het volgende:

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Ja en hoe noem je bidden dan? [...]

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 01:46 schreef nezumi het volgende:
Dus sizzler jij vind dat mensen die er wel in geloven ook naar een psyg moeten?

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Je geloofd erin of niet. Dat is ieder voor zich.
Is niks mis mee.
Maar je kan niet zeggen dat die mensen psygisch gestoord zijn.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 01:46 schreef nezumi het volgende:


Jaren geleden ben ik dus naar zo'n medium toegegaan met een foto van iemand die mij dierbaar is.
Mijn man was mee, en een nuchtere eerste klas.
Dat medium heeft dingen verteld, die ik alleen kon weten, en zij dus totaal niet.
Mijn man wist dat uiteraard ook.
Een heleboel dingen klopten dus.
Zelfs zo erg dat ik later zoiets had van, kan dit wel.
Mijn man heeft mij overtuigd dat ze het raak had.
Hoe verklaar je dat dan?
Het enige wat ik heb gedaan was een foto geven. Verder gezegd dat het mijn oma was.
Meer niet.
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Review of Psychic Medium Van Praagh on CNN's Larry King Live

Here is a look at some of the stock techniques as employed by James Van Praagh.

He asks questions.

He often employs a scatter-shot technique with multiple variables that enhance the opportunity for a "hit."

VAN PRAAGH: Also, does your mother have any trouble with her lungs or does Velma [the caller's grandmother] have trouble with her lungs, breathing?

CALLER [No. 10]: I think she did have trouble breathing at the very end.

He draws additional, obvious inferences once a fact is known.

As another example, after caller 3 told him her daughter had had a lengthy illness, the medium extrapolates:

VAN PRAAGH: . . . I want to tell you, did they give her IV's?

CALLER: Yes.

VAN PRAAGH: Because I'm being shown IV's a lot, with this girl. I'm also shown a lot of medication, and I'm feeling very ill with medication, a lot of drug medication.

He invites the caller to interpret vague offerings.

VAN PRAAGH: I feel someone--here, again, I'm getting something with cancer; I don't know why.

CALLER [No. 5]: My brother died of lung cancer.

He uses words like "some," "someone," or "something" no fewer than 65 times, and on at least 27 occasions says "I don't know why" or "I don't know what that means" or a similar statement, thus inviting the caller to make a connection, offer some interpretation, or simply accept the vague pronouncement. Over and over--at least 21 times--he asks the reader to acknowledge that there is a possible interpretation by inviting, "Do you understand?" or "O.K.?" or similar query.

He uses 'weasel' words and phrases to provide extra wiggle room.

VAN PRAAGH [to caller 7]: . . . I feel he was a loner too, IN CERTAIN WAYS . . . [emphasis added].

He frequently says "I'm feeling," "the impression I get," "it feels like," "I get a sense," and so on. He often adds a fuzzy phrase like "in certain ways," "this sort of thing," "something to do with," "a little bit," and similar ambiguities.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 02:02 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Lees jezelf dan nog even terug.
En dan met name het stukje tussen de "

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 02:11 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Maakt dat ze dan ook psygisch in de war?
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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 02:34 schreef nezumi het volgende:

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Maar nogmaals het is maar niet hoe iemand het beleefd en waar iemand in geloofd.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2005 11:37 schreef erodome het volgende:

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Je bent je ervan bewust dat de monotheistische geloven zijn gebasseerd op het geloven en comminuceren me aliens???

De 3 monotheisische geloven kennen hun oorsprong bij de sumeriers, de kleitabletten vertellen het scheppingsverhaal, alleen dan met aliens, dit is het oudste geschrift op aarde...